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| ekcs | #startmeeting congressteammeeting | 02:35 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Fri Sep 21 02:35:31 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ekcs. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 02:35 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 02:35 |
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| akhil_jain | ekcs: Hi! | 02:36 |
| ekcs | hi akhil_jain ! | 02:36 |
| ekcs | been a while. how’s it been? | 02:36 |
| akhil_jain | Nothing much, how was PTG? | 02:37 |
| ekcs | it went well! | 02:37 |
| ekcs | today’s topics here as usual: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/congress-meeting-topics | 02:38 |
| ekcs | feel free to add your topics if any. | 02:38 |
| ekcs | ptg went pretty well. there wasn’t a dedicated congress session. but the self-healing SIG sessions were quite relevant. | 02:42 |
| ekcs | lot’s of productive discussion over how to get more and better ops feedback on self-healing work, including congress. | 02:43 |
| ekcs | looking to work more closely with ops meetup team. | 02:43 |
| ekcs | I also floated a sketch of a new architecture for congress centered around an off-the-shelf document store rather than a integrated policy engine. quite helpful feedback. | 02:44 |
| ekcs | more information on the session here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/self-healing-sig-stein-ptg | 02:45 |
| ekcs | the separate ops sessions were also useful for general understanding of the problems and use cases that are high priority. | 02:45 |
| ekcs | any comments or questions on PTG? | 02:47 |
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| ekcs | ok moving on then. | 02:49 |
| ekcs | #topic monasca webhook | 02:50 |
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| ekcs | akhil_jain: is there anything you’d like to discuss on that front? | 02:50 |
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| akhil_jain | ekcs: as disccused earlier. My team members working in tacker are busy in PTG today, hopefully next week, they will be here in weekly irc meeting to give us briefing on whole usecase | 02:52 |
| ekcs | akhil_jain: got it sounds great =) just wanted to ask in case you need time to discuss anything. | 02:54 |
| akhil_jain | Also I will push tacker driver with WIP soon | 02:55 |
| ekcs | awesomeness. | 02:55 |
| akhil_jain | :D | 02:55 |
| ekcs | =) | 02:55 |
| ekcs | ok moving on then. | 02:55 |
| ekcs | #topic meeting time | 02:55 |
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| ekcs | I haven’t had a chance to email the ML. but I will today. | 02:56 |
| ekcs | after talking to akhil_jain and masahito, I thikn i’m going to propose Friday | 02:57 |
| ekcs | 1.5 hours later than current time. | 02:57 |
| ekcs | once every two weeks. | 02:57 |
| ekcs | see if we get any additional feedback on ML (probbaly not). then if no objections I’ll announce new time. | 02:59 |
| ekcs | and update meeting registry. | 02:59 |
| ekcs | any thoughts or comments for now? | 02:59 |
| akhil_jain | not from my side | 03:00 |
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| ekcs | ok! i don’t see any other topics on the etherpad. shall we call it for today? | 03:01 |
| akhil_jain | yes, sure | 03:01 |
| ekcs | alrite have a great weekend! | 03:02 |
| akhil_jain | thank you and to you too | 03:02 |
| ekcs | later! | 03:02 |
| ekcs | #endmeeting | 03:02 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Fri Sep 21 03:02:49 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 03:02 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2018/congressteammeeting.2018-09-21-02.35.html | 03:02 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2018/congressteammeeting.2018-09-21-02.35.txt | 03:02 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2018/congressteammeeting.2018-09-21-02.35.log.html | 03:02 |
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| smcginnis | #startmeeting releaseteam | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Fri Sep 21 15:00:06 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is smcginnis. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
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| annabelleB | o/ | 15:00 |
| smcginnis | Ping dhellmann, ttx, annabelleB | 15:00 |
| smcginnis | Ohai | 15:00 |
| evrardjp | o/ | 15:00 |
| dhellmann | o/ | 15:00 |
| ttx | o/ | 15:00 |
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| smcginnis | Wow, everyone is punctual today. | 15:00 |
| smcginnis | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/stein-relmgt-tracking Agenda | 15:00 |
| smcginnis | Line 31 | 15:01 |
| smcginnis | #topic Backlog discussion from the PTG | 15:01 |
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| smcginnis | #link https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/project_group/73 Backlog | 15:01 |
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| smcginnis | We started going through ^ at the PTG but ran out of time. | 15:01 |
| ttx | or steam | 15:01 |
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| ttx | choo choo | 15:02 |
| smcginnis | A little of both. | 15:02 |
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| smcginnis | Did we leave off on stable deliverables or external releases? | 15:02 |
| evrardjp | can we take elements on that storyboard freely? | 15:02 |
| * fungi was not punctual :( | 15:02 | |
| smcginnis | fungi: Close enough. ;) | 15:02 |
| ttx | smcginnis: we stopped at stable | 15:03 |
| smcginnis | evrardjp: If there is anything on there you would like to work on, feel free to grab it. | 15:03 |
| ttx | judging by lastupdated date | 15:03 |
| * smcginnis notes ttx is much more observant today than himself | 15:03 | |
| ttx | Track externally-released deliverables is still on my lap | 15:04 |
| smcginnis | #link https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/2002624 Track externally-released deliverables | 15:04 |
| ttx | I have a plan | 15:04 |
| smcginnis | OK, anything you need input on? Or shall we move on? | 15:04 |
| ttx | nope alls et | 15:04 |
| smcginnis | #link https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/2001936 Reno traceback when no release between 2 tags | 15:05 |
| ttx | will comment so that it's updated | 15:05 |
| smcginnis | ttx: Thanks | 15:05 |
| smcginnis | dhellmann: Is the reno issue something you have any chance to look at? | 15:05 |
| dhellmann | I haven't. It looks like I asked a question with no response. | 15:06 |
| smcginnis | Ah, see that now. | 15:06 |
| dhellmann | I suspect there's an issue using --earliest-version and --version together | 15:06 |
| dhellmann | that first option isn't needed if the second is used | 15:06 |
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| dhellmann | maybe the fix is to make those mutually exclusive | 15:06 |
| smcginnis | So keep around as a low priority thing to checkout out some day? | 15:07 |
| evrardjp | dhellmann: +1 | 15:07 |
| evrardjp | smcginnis: agreed too | 15:07 |
| dhellmann | yeah | 15:07 |
| smcginnis | #link https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/2001935 cache file needs to contain all branches | 15:07 |
| smcginnis | Another reno one. | 15:07 |
| dhellmann | that's in process and also a low priority | 15:08 |
| dhellmann | that has to do with building the cache file for release notes for a package | 15:08 |
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| smcginnis | Patch up for it too, just with some issues yet. | 15:08 |
| smcginnis | So in the works at least. | 15:08 |
| smcginnis | #link https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/2001921 enhance version check for xstatic packages | 15:08 |
| smcginnis | We had some issues in our validation for these. | 15:09 |
| dhellmann | that's done | 15:09 |
| dhellmann | I added the details to the story | 15:09 |
| smcginnis | OK, I was thinking this was something already addressed. | 15:09 |
| smcginnis | Last one... | 15:09 |
| dhellmann | you fixed it :-( | 15:10 |
| dhellmann | I mean :-) | 15:10 |
| * elbragstad walks in late | 15:10 | |
| smcginnis | #link https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/2001881 Create a new-deliverable command | 15:10 |
| smcginnis | Seems like another low priority one. | 15:10 |
| dhellmann | yeah | 15:10 |
| dhellmann | we've been doing OK with creating the stub files by copying existing ones for now | 15:10 |
| smcginnis | Since these are fairly infrequent and easy enough to do through the time honored copy/paste method. | 15:10 |
| ttx | it's not the last one, here comes page 2 | 15:10 |
| smcginnis | Doh | 15:10 |
| dhellmann | yeah, I see 35 open items on my list | 15:11 |
| smcginnis | I need to get used to the SB layout. Was expecting something on the bottom of the list to indicate more. | 15:11 |
| * ttx clicks to see all 35 in one list | 15:11 | |
| dhellmann | #link https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/2001849 | 15:11 |
| dhellmann | add information about ptls and liaisions to the releases repo | 15:11 |
| fungi | smcginnis: sounds like a good storyboard feature request | 15:11 |
| smcginnis | fungi: Not going to say I can implement it? :) | 15:12 |
| armstrong | Have we fully switched to storyboard? | 15:12 |
| evrardjp | I don't understand this one | 15:12 |
| ttx | dhellmann: I think that should be rolled together with the "manifest" idea | 15:12 |
| evrardjp | what's the goal? | 15:12 |
| smcginnis | armstrong: For the releases repo we have. Not all projects though. | 15:12 |
| dhellmann | ttx: yeah, I think the stuff we talked about at the ptg replaces this | 15:12 |
| ttx | evrardjp: basically have a log of who was handling that release ? | 15:12 |
| smcginnis | evrardjp: Yeah, I added this, but now I can't recall the full context. | 15:12 |
| fungi | smcginnis: you can certainly add a story to openstack-infra/storyboard-webclient requesting it though | 15:12 |
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| fungi | so we don't forget | 15:13 |
| dhellmann | I'm going to close this story as obsolete | 15:13 |
| ttx | yep | 15:13 |
| dhellmann | do we have another one for the mainfest thing? | 15:13 |
| ttx | although we did not create a story to track the master plan yet | 15:13 |
| smcginnis | Don't we need something similar for the changes we were dicussing in Denver? | 15:13 |
| dhellmann | so maybe we should rewrite this one | 15:13 |
| smcginnis | ++ | 15:13 |
| evrardjp | yeah because without the "master" plan, this is very obfuscated :p | 15:14 |
| ttx | the creation date would be misleading | 15:14 |
| dhellmann | so I'll close this one and someone will open another? | 15:14 |
| ttx | yes, I'll create the new one | 15:15 |
| smcginnis | Same basic concept though, just evolved over time. Not sure if the creation date would be an issue. | 15:15 |
| smcginnis | Either way works. | 15:15 |
| ttx | while you go down the list | 15:15 |
| smcginnis | #link https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/2001848 New project checklist | 15:15 |
| smcginnis | I'll keep this one. There have been enough things pop up here and there for things that would be good to capture in something like this. | 15:15 |
| dhellmann | I think we still need this | 15:15 |
| smcginnis | #link https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/2001846 Add verify library to process | 15:16 |
| dhellmann | after the ptg this one also feels obsolete | 15:16 |
| smcginnis | Not sure if this one is really an issue anymore | 15:16 |
| dhellmann | this one does mention automatically tagging so we could reuse it | 15:16 |
| smcginnis | Sure, let's hold on to this a bit yet. | 15:17 |
| smcginnis | #link https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/2001845 Document policy on adding new deliverables to existing series | 15:17 |
| smcginnis | IIRC, the idea here was they can add to independent but not the series since these weren't actually a part of it at the time? | 15:18 |
| dhellmann | right | 15:18 |
| evrardjp | we kinda had that in OSA when a repo was renamed | 15:18 |
| smcginnis | Renames I think are fine. It's when something unofficial becomes official and they want to add pre-official releases I think. | 15:19 |
| evrardjp | so it's better be precise in the scope we are talking about here? | 15:19 |
| smcginnis | I'll add some notes so we remember. We should keep this one. | 15:19 |
| ttx | https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/2003834 | 15:20 |
| ttx | Stein release process evolution | 15:20 |
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| ttx | Last task is actually one of the first to do... I miss task ordering! | 15:21 |
| smcginnis | Thanks | 15:21 |
| smcginnis | #link https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/2001806 Support StoryBoard in release tooling | 15:22 |
| fungi | still on my to do list for sure, but if someone else is eager to do it instead i'm happy to hand it over | 15:22 |
| smcginnis | This one is actually to do with updating statuses. | 15:22 |
| ttx | that one has been on my plate forever | 15:22 |
| ttx | Still planning to do it if I ever manage to free up enough time | 15:22 |
| smcginnis | And doesn't seem like something we can break down into smaller steps to farm out. | 15:22 |
| smcginnis | Important to get to eventually. | 15:22 |
| ttx | it's a bit hard, due to the learning curve | 15:23 |
| ttx | so I would definitely keep it | 15:23 |
| ttx | will comment | 15:23 |
| smcginnis | #link https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/2001802 Add commmand to setup for travis environment | 15:23 |
| fungi | i _think_ it's just a matter of importing python-storyboardclient and then mimicking what we do for lp | 15:23 |
| smcginnis | Another reno enhancement. | 15:23 |
| fungi | (wrt 2001806) | 15:23 |
| dhellmann | yeah, very low priority | 15:23 |
| ttx | oh, it;s assigned to you now! I know why I did not do it now | 15:23 |
| smcginnis | Sure, that's why. ;) | 15:24 |
| dhellmann | that would be used by folks outside of the openstack community | 15:24 |
| * dhellmann makes a note of ttx's task management approach | 15:24 | |
| smcginnis | Useful for travis users for sure. | 15:24 |
| fungi | heh | 15:24 |
| smcginnis | s/useful/required/ | 15:24 |
| smcginnis | #link https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/2001738 Support multiple --series arguments in list-deliverables | 15:25 |
| smcginnis | Seems like a low priority but useful thing too. | 15:25 |
| smcginnis | No reason the command can't be run multiple times though. | 15:25 |
| smcginnis | Any thoughts on this one? | 15:25 |
| dhellmann | seems like a good opportunity for someone to learn that code | 15:26 |
| ttx | let's keep it in case people look for easy ways in | 15:26 |
| dhellmann | and a very low priority | 15:26 |
| smcginnis | *cough* evrardjp *cough* | 15:26 |
| ttx | tagging low-hanging-fruit maybe ? | 15:26 |
| smcginnis | Tagged | 15:27 |
| smcginnis | #link https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/2001692 Generate update emails for unreleased changes | 15:27 |
| evrardjp | smcginnis: :) | 15:27 |
| smcginnis | This one looks useful too. | 15:28 |
| smcginnis | Nothing critical by any means, but I think it would help raise awareness for teams of stable stuff sitting out there. | 15:28 |
| dhellmann | maybe we can get elod to help out there | 15:28 |
| smcginnis | Yeah, another good task to dig into things. | 15:28 |
| smcginnis | Not really a low-hanging-fruit though with some of the complexity of some of the steps involved. | 15:29 |
| smcginnis | But not too difficult either. | 15:29 |
| smcginnis | dhellmann: Leave it assigned to you for now? | 15:29 |
| dhellmann | I removed my name, but can pick it up if we need it done | 15:29 |
| dhellmann | the scripting is 90% done, so it's just the job and email sending that might be a challenge | 15:29 |
| smcginnis | OK, works for me. | 15:30 |
| smcginnis | #link https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/2001690 Support release announcement emails to other mailing lists | 15:30 |
| smcginnis | Still needed? | 15:30 |
| smcginnis | Looks like maybe needs some input from fungi too. | 15:31 |
| fungi | checking | 15:31 |
| ttx | low prio but yes I would say | 15:31 |
| dhellmann | that was a thing I wanted for stevedore and some other libs | 15:31 |
| dhellmann | I think it's useful, but low priority | 15:31 |
| evrardjp | secrets are well documented on zuul ci docs nowadays | 15:31 |
| smcginnis | Yeah, for reno, cliff, stevedore, etc, could be really useful. | 15:31 |
| smcginnis | #link https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/2001689 Ability to list a version on releases.o.o wihtout linking to artifact | 15:32 |
| evrardjp | smcginnis: what's the limit? Which libs will be announced or not? | 15:32 |
| fungi | why were we thinking we needed to authenticate smtp from those? | 15:32 |
| ttx | I think we need that one | 15:32 |
| smcginnis | evrardjp: I think just as needed when we find a deliverable that would be useful to announce to other communities. | 15:32 |
| fungi | we send to the release-announce list from job nodes currently without issue | 15:33 |
| dhellmann | fungi : because we would be sending email to lists not on lists.openstack.org? | 15:33 |
| dhellmann | maybe that's not really an issue then? | 15:33 |
| fungi | ahh, got it | 15:33 |
| smcginnis | fungi: Any issues sending to a ML on groups.io or something like that? | 15:33 |
| fungi | yeah, i have a feeling this is more a story about setting up an authenticated smarthost for jobs to send e-mail through | 15:33 |
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| fungi | maybe we should only build that when we discover we need it | 15:34 |
| fungi | i'll add a comment now | 15:34 |
| smcginnis | fungi: Thanks | 15:34 |
| smcginnis | For listing on releases.o.o, looks like that was closed at one point. | 15:35 |
| smcginnis | Do we still want to get that? | 15:35 |
| smcginnis | I don't think it's really been an issue. | 15:35 |
| fungi | it does say "should the need arise" on building a smarthost for these | 15:35 |
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| smcginnis | dhellmann: That's assigned to you right now. Thoughts? | 15:36 |
| dhellmann | I think we've been linking to things that don't exist? | 15:37 |
| dhellmann | or do we go through and remove those links? | 15:37 |
| dhellmann | I guess we cleaned up some at the end of rocky, didn't we? | 15:37 |
| smcginnis | Not sure honestly. | 15:38 |
| dhellmann | I'm OK with closing this and reopening it or making another one if we remember why we care about this | 15:38 |
| smcginnis | Looks like that happened once before. :) | 15:38 |
| dhellmann | heh | 15:38 |
| dhellmann | yeah, I had to turn comments on to see that | 15:38 |
| smcginnis | Maybe that's a sign that it's not really a big deal if we keep forgetting why we wanted it. | 15:39 |
| dhellmann | I guess the question is whether we care that we link to missing artifacts | 15:39 |
| smcginnis | Let's mark it invalid again. If it comes up again we can capture the full reasoning behind it. | 15:39 |
| dhellmann | and it seems like it hasn't been a huge issue | 15:39 |
| dhellmann | done | 15:40 |
| smcginnis | #link https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/2001673 Announce job fails if diff-start does not exist | 15:40 |
| dhellmann | we probably ought to fix this one | 15:41 |
| smcginnis | Looks like a useful error handling thing to fix. | 15:41 |
| smcginnis | Updated the tag to stein. | 15:41 |
| smcginnis | #link https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/1748164 Reno doesn't scale | 15:41 |
| smcginnis | ? | 15:41 |
| smcginnis | Ah, issues seen in nova. | 15:41 |
| dhellmann | they should just make fewer code changes ;-) | 15:41 |
| smcginnis | Hah | 15:42 |
| dhellmann | there are ways to configure the release notes build to not see the problem, and I think we did some of that | 15:42 |
| dhellmann | we could always work to make the code faster, of course | 15:42 |
| smcginnis | Looks like you added a useful workaround in the comments. | 15:42 |
| dhellmann | yeah, I think the task here is to document that better | 15:42 |
| smcginnis | No response, but come to think of it, does StoryBoard email notifications on comments? | 15:43 |
| dhellmann | it does | 15:43 |
| fungi | if you're subscribed | 15:43 |
| * dhellmann has many many comment emails from storyboard | 15:43 | |
| smcginnis | I don't think I've ever received one, so no idea if anythign I've added has had questions or updates. | 15:43 |
| dhellmann | ah, I think you have to tell it you want to receive email | 15:43 |
| fungi | and if you don't disable story comments in your preferences | 15:43 |
| smcginnis | Wouldn't I be subscribed to stories I've added by default? | 15:43 |
| fungi | yeah, check your user prefs in the webclient | 15:43 |
| dhellmann | you have to "enable notification emails" globally too | 15:43 |
| dhellmann | https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/profile/preferences | 15:43 |
| smcginnis | OK, I'll check that after the meeting. | 15:44 |
| fungi | ahh, right, we don't enable it by default | 15:44 |
| smcginnis | Hmm, seems like a questionable default. | 15:44 |
| smcginnis | Anyway, keep the reno scaling issue I guess. | 15:44 |
| fungi | we might consider adding it as a configurable default and changing it for new accounts or something | 15:44 |
| smcginnis | #link https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/1748162 Tags at teh base of a stable branch get picked up twice | 15:44 |
| smcginnis | Looks like an issue when stable hasn't been tagged yet? | 15:45 |
| dhellmann | the tag at the base of a branch is on 2 branches | 15:46 |
| dhellmann | I think this is not a bug | 15:46 |
| smcginnis | Close it? | 15:46 |
| dhellmann | yeah, I just did | 15:47 |
| smcginnis | #link https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/1748159 Empty configuration files cause exception | 15:47 |
| smcginnis | Looks like an opportunity to make reno a little more robust. | 15:47 |
| dhellmann | yeah, that's a real bug | 15:47 |
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| smcginnis | #link https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/1748158 earliest_version doesn't work with version from stable branch | 15:48 |
| smcginnis | dhellmann: Looks like you've provided some feedback there. Not a bug? | 15:49 |
| dhellmann | yeah | 15:49 |
| smcginnis | #link https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/1734950 Support rst format not wrapped in yaml | 15:49 |
| smcginnis | For reno | 15:49 |
| smcginnis | Looks like a good low priority enhancement. | 15:50 |
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| dhellmann | yeah | 15:50 |
| dhellmann | although now that I understand why someone asked for this I think it's probably a very very low priority | 15:50 |
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| smcginnis | #link https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/1728128 issue with repos that have checked in empty directories | 15:50 |
| smcginnis | I didn't realize git would allow this either. | 15:50 |
| smcginnis | Another low prio robustness opportunity | 15:51 |
| dhellmann | yeah, I think that's a relatively new thing | 15:51 |
| dhellmann | ++ | 15:51 |
| smcginnis | #link https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/1712069 reno does not support git submodule | 15:51 |
| smcginnis | Good :D | 15:51 |
| fungi | wow, empty dirs in a git repo?!? | 15:51 |
| ttx | I bet all the others are the reno wishlist backlog | 15:51 |
| dhellmann | probably | 15:51 |
| smcginnis | Looking like it. | 15:51 |
| ttx | shoudl we switch to putting things on a board ? | 15:52 |
| ttx | I want to have an idea of must-have/should-have/good-to-have | 15:52 |
| ttx | and see if we have assignees for the first two | 15:52 |
| smcginnis | Yeah, we're running out of time again, so let's switch to that. | 15:52 |
| smcginnis | #link https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/board/64 Task board | 15:52 |
| smcginnis | Isn't there a way that SB can automatically pull these into a board? | 15:53 |
| * ttx cleans up completed items | 15:54 | |
| dhellmann | we could set up a board with query-based worklists but we left this one manual because you can't really mix automatic and manual | 15:54 |
| dhellmann | the board doesn't let you add items to a worklist if they are already in another worklist, so as soon as you have a list that shows the backlog automatically you have to set up the other lists using automated criteria, too | 15:55 |
| ttx | also do we really want a "done" list ? I know it provides sensory satisfaction but... | 15:55 |
| ttx | maybe I'll just clean it up | 15:55 |
| smcginnis | Can't we have To Do automatic for any openstack/release tasks, then manually move them to In Progress? | 15:55 |
| smcginnis | ttx: Yeah, I've always questioned Done items unless there's a follow-up reporting kind of need. | 15:55 |
| ttx | smcginnis: the idea was to select a subset of tasks for the Stein plan | 15:56 |
| smcginnis | Do All The Things | 15:56 |
| * ttx empties the list but keeps it | 15:56 | |
| dhellmann | smcginnis : no, that's what I was trying to explain. If we set up a todo list as automatic, the board will not let you move items from that list to the other lists | 15:56 |
| smcginnis | That would be a good enhancement. | 15:57 |
| smcginnis | Well, we're almost out of time. Should we defer this and talk about the last topic quick? | 15:57 |
| dhellmann | it's a validation rule that tries to prevent you from adding something to todo and done manually, but it doesn't ignore the automatic lists | 15:57 |
| ttx | I'm adding what I have on my bucket | 15:58 |
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| smcginnis | #topic Release changes | 15:58 |
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| smcginnis | Since we only have a couple minutes... | 15:58 |
| fungi | dhellmann: one option would be to make story-based lanes which use specific tags in their queries and then control which lane(s) they appear in by changing the tags on them | 15:58 |
| smcginnis | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/stein-relmgt-auto-release-change Proposed changes drafts | 15:58 |
| smcginnis | fungi: That's kind of what I was thinking. We have things tagged Stein. | 15:58 |
| dhellmann | fungi : yeah, it just seemed easier to manually add things to the todo list, then drag them into the other columns | 15:58 |
| smcginnis | Anyway | 15:58 |
| dhellmann | that way we have a backlog and a list of things we said we'd do this cycle | 15:59 |
| smcginnis | Please take a pass through the email drafts. | 15:59 |
| smcginnis | Should I send this early next week? | 15:59 |
| smcginnis | Though... I'm traveling Mon-Thur. | 15:59 |
| smcginnis | But I should have time to send it out. | 15:59 |
| dhellmann | one of us could send it if you would rather | 15:59 |
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| dhellmann | but yeah, I think we should start talking about this asap | 16:00 |
| smcginnis | I agree. | 16:00 |
| ttx | At least email 1 | 16:00 |
| smcginnis | I can send it, just want to make sure we are responsive if folks raise questions and concerns. | 16:00 |
| dhellmann | I'll be around next week | 16:00 |
| ttx | and Email 3 probably | 16:00 |
| smcginnis | Yeah, just the first email to start. | 16:00 |
| dhellmann | why wait for #2? | 16:01 |
| ttx | dhellmann: avoid input overload ? | 16:01 |
| smcginnis | Do we want to get feedback on #1 first before going too deep? | 16:01 |
| dhellmann | ok, that makes sense | 16:01 |
| dhellmann | maybe #2 the week after | 16:01 |
| dhellmann | sure | 16:01 |
| smcginnis | Over time. | 16:01 |
| ttx | cheers | 16:01 |
| smcginnis | If folks could take another look over the weekend and polish, I can send it early next week. | 16:01 |
| smcginnis | Thanks everyone! | 16:02 |
| fungi | thanks smcginnis! | 16:02 |
| smcginnis | #endmeeting | 16:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 16:02 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Fri Sep 21 16:02:14 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:02 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/releaseteam/2018/releaseteam.2018-09-21-15.00.html | 16:02 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/releaseteam/2018/releaseteam.2018-09-21-15.00.txt | 16:02 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/releaseteam/2018/releaseteam.2018-09-21-15.00.log.html | 16:02 |
| smcginnis | And thanks all for sticking around. | 16:02 |
| dhellmann | smcginnis : the emails look good to me | 16:02 |
| smcginnis | Bug scrub is never fun, but necessary. | 16:02 |
| ttx | ++ | 16:02 |
| fungi | cleanliness is next to buglessness? | 16:03 |
| smcginnis | ;) | 16:03 |
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