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| mugsie | #startmeeting designate | 11:03 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Sep 5 11:03:42 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mugsie. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 11:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 11:03 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'designate' | 11:03 |
| mugsie | #topic roll call | 11:03 |
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| diman | mugsie: hi | 11:05 |
| mugsie | hey diman | 11:05 |
| mugsie | I think it may just be us :/ | 11:06 |
| diman | ok... | 11:06 |
| mugsie | #topic Open Discussion | 11:06 |
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| mugsie | For the PTG, I didn't get us a dedicated room - most people on the team who will be there will be spread across different groups. we will be able to book rooms ad-hoc ss needed | 11:07 |
| mugsie | as needed* | 11:07 |
| diman | well, I'm afraid I cannot make it to ptg... | 11:07 |
| mugsie | diman: yeah, a lot of the designate contributors can't | 11:08 |
| diman | mugsie: wanted to ask regarding https://review.openstack.org/#/c/598147/ | 11:08 |
| diman | seems like gate job fail here and there | 11:08 |
| diman | with something like gzip: /home/zuul/workspace/logs/ara: No such file or directory etc | 11:09 |
| mugsie | oh, that just got fixed | 11:09 |
| mugsie | (there was a bad update to ara) | 11:10 |
| diman | ah, alright, will do recheck than | 11:10 |
| mugsie | i need to test somethign in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/589409/ today as well | 11:11 |
| diman | mugsie: do you have any feedback about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/589409/ | 11:11 |
| mugsie | it looks good, I just want to test the format of the notifies it sends | 11:11 |
| diman | ok, can attach my tcpdump, but we already run this in production :) | 11:13 |
| mugsie | ah, OK :) | 11:13 |
| mugsie | yeah, I am not sure how we can add an actual test for this :/ | 11:13 |
| mugsie | I would like to have a test to make sure we actually send it as we do more development | 11:14 |
| diman | yes, extra test is always a good idea) | 11:14 |
| diman | I'll double-check why did test failed at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/584024/ | 11:17 |
| diman | because the same tests in our ci succeed | 11:17 |
| mugsie | oh? even the unit tests? | 11:18 |
| mugsie | they should be self contained :/ | 11:18 |
| diman | mugsie: but, if you happen to have any feedback, let me know so I'll fix this sooner :) | 11:18 |
| diman | yes, those 3 unit tests | 11:18 |
| mugsie | OK, i will look today | 11:19 |
| diman | mugsie: thanks) | 11:19 |
| * mugsie finally has a decent dev env in the office to actually run these tests | 11:19 | |
| diman | mugsie: are you coming to summit in Berlin btw? | 11:19 |
| mugsie | I am | 11:19 |
| diman | cool | 11:20 |
| mugsie | it is a short trip from me | 11:20 |
| mugsie | though not as short as yours :) | 11:20 |
| diman | 15 mins drive, kkk :) | 11:20 |
| mugsie | any other topics? | 11:22 |
| diman | I guess, no. I'll write a tempest test for last PR if gate finally gets green :) | 11:23 |
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| mugsie | great :) | 11:24 |
| mugsie | OK, have a great day | 11:24 |
| mugsie | #endmeeting | 11:24 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Sep 5 11:24:53 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 11:24 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2018/designate.2018-09-05-11.03.html | 11:24 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2018/designate.2018-09-05-11.03.txt | 11:24 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2018/designate.2018-09-05-11.03.log.html | 11:24 |
| diman | mugsie: you too! | 11:25 |
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| jungleboyj | #startmeeting Cinder | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Sep 5 16:00:48 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jungleboyj. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cinder' | 16:00 |
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| e0ne | hi | 16:01 |
| smcginnis | o/ | 16:01 |
| ganso | hello | 16:01 |
| geguileo | hi! o/ | 16:01 |
| jungleboyj | I just realized that I had been kicked out of channels for a couple days now. | 16:01 |
| erlon | hey | 16:02 |
| jungleboyj | Yikes. | 16:02 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: Welcome back. ;) | 16:02 |
| woojay | Morning. | 16:02 |
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| jungleboyj | Thanks. Desk is set up and I am trying to get settled in. | 16:02 |
| jungleboyj | Ok. Lets get started. | 16:03 |
| jungleboyj | #topic announcements | 16:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "announcements (Meeting topic: Cinder)" | 16:03 | |
| jungleboyj | Not a lot to announce. | 16:03 |
| jungleboyj | The usual note about the PTG planning etherpad: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-ptg-planning-denver-9-2018 | 16:04 |
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| gouthamr | o/ | 16:04 |
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| jungleboyj | Have a good list of topics there. I will work tomorrow on trying to schedule times for the discussion. | 16:05 |
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| smcginnis | Really good list. | 16:06 |
| jungleboyj | Should the Placement discussion be during the Nova cross project discussion or just something for Cinder and we pull cdent jaypipes and efried in? | 16:06 |
| smcginnis | If we can fit it in before the cross project session, and those folks are available, that might be useful. | 16:06 |
| e0ne | smcginnis: +1 | 16:06 |
| erlon | jungleboyj, I thought we should do a pre discussion before | 16:07 |
| efried | for sake of our schedules, might be better during cross-project | 16:07 |
| efried | is there a consideration of doing it M/T? | 16:07 |
| jungleboyj | M/T ? | 16:07 |
| efried | Monday or Tuesday | 16:07 |
| efried | as opposed to when you know the Nova folks are going to be glued to the Nova room. | 16:07 |
| jungleboyj | efried: Oh. :-) | 16:08 |
| geguileo | erlon: a pre discussion would be good, to see what we think the benefits are or could be in the future | 16:08 |
| erlon | It would be good to line up things before putting it to a more broad audience | 16:08 |
| smcginnis | ++ | 16:08 |
| jungleboyj | geguileo: erlon Yeah, we definitely want to have it as a Cinder only discussion for some period of time. | 16:08 |
| smcginnis | Are folks around Tuesday that we could try to pull something together before the project vertical stuff starts? | 16:09 |
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| geguileo | I'll be around | 16:09 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: I will be around. | 16:10 |
| jungleboyj | geguileo: and e0ne ? | 16:10 |
| erlon | smcginnis, from the list of attendees, most people will be since from Monday | 16:10 |
| e0ne | Monday will be better for me | 16:10 |
| jungleboyj | Looks like it. | 16:10 |
| e0ne | I'll have a lot of horizon-specific things on Tuesday | 16:10 |
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| smcginnis | erlon: Yeah, the question is if they will actually be available. Monday is already crazy for me. I can probably make Tuesday, but we can try to find a time that works best for everyone. | 16:11 |
| jungleboyj | Would have to be Monday afternoon for me as I am flying in Monday morning. | 16:11 |
| erlon | smcginnis, hmm, got it | 16:11 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: Maybe get a schedule poll to see what times work the best overall for placement folks and interested Cinder folks? | 16:11 |
| smcginnis | It's a crazy week. ;) | 16:12 |
| efried | I know cdent is unavailable Monday | 16:12 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Ok, I will put that together and send out an e-mail to the mailing list. | 16:12 |
| efried | And we have a different cross-projecty thing (placement/blazar) scheduled for Tuesday at 10am | 16:12 |
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| jungleboyj | Does anyone have a link to how you reserve another room on Monday/Tuesday? | 16:14 |
| jungleboyj | If not I will try to find it. | 16:15 |
| smcginnis | Not sure how far ahead you can do that. It's through the ptgbot. | 16:15 |
| jungleboyj | Oh ... Wah Wah Wah. | 16:15 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: https://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/ptgbot/tree/README.rst#n67 | 16:15 |
| smcginnis | Looks like maybe you can already? | 16:15 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Ok, I will play with it. | 16:16 |
| jungleboyj | Anything more on PTG planning? | 16:17 |
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| jungleboyj | Ok, moving on. | 16:18 |
| jungleboyj | I assume everyone saw that Rocky was officially released. Thank you to everyone who participated and helped make the release happen. | 16:19 |
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| smcginnis | \o/ | 16:19 |
| jungleboyj | :-) | 16:19 |
| jungleboyj | @! | 16:19 |
| _pewp_ | jungleboyj ( *՞ਊ՞*)ﾉ | 16:19 |
| jungleboyj | That is really all I had for today. | 16:19 |
| jungleboyj | #topic Open Discussion | 16:19 |
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| smcginnis | Skipping some things? | 16:20 |
| jungleboyj | What? | 16:20 |
| geguileo | jungleboyj: mmmm I did have a couple of topics on the agenda... | 16:20 |
| geguileo | lol | 16:20 |
| e0ne | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-stein-meeting-agendas | 16:20 |
| e0ne | :) | 16:20 |
| ganso | I have one too (for open discussion) | 16:20 |
| jungleboyj | Oh, that is where the Agenda went. | 16:21 |
| geguileo | rofl | 16:21 |
| jungleboyj | I thought I had set up the Agenda at the end of the last meeting and didn't realize it got moved to a Stein etherpad. | 16:21 |
| jungleboyj | Sorry, been lost in moving the last week. | 16:21 |
| jungleboyj | Ok. | 16:21 |
| jungleboyj | #topic Berlin Forum Sessions | 16:21 |
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| geguileo | Maybe we should start creating an etherpad for this and brainstorm ideas for it? | 16:22 |
| jungleboyj | geguileo: Not a bad idea. | 16:23 |
| jungleboyj | Perhpas a topic we can have for the PTG? | 16:23 |
| jungleboyj | Start creating that. | 16:23 |
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| smcginnis | It's coming up quick. | 16:23 |
| smcginnis | Might be nice to have something started at least so we can add things during the PTG that we know we will need to follow up on. | 16:23 |
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| geguileo | smcginnis: +1 | 16:24 |
| erlon | smcginnis, +1 | 16:24 |
| e0ne | smcginnis: +1 | 16:24 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: ++ | 16:24 |
| jungleboyj | geguileo: Thanks for bringing that up. Good idea. | 16:25 |
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| jungleboyj | Anything else on that topic? | 16:26 |
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| jungleboyj | #action jungleboyj to add a reminder to the PTG etherpad to do this. | 16:27 |
| jungleboyj | #topic Cinderlib functional tests at the gate | 16:27 |
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| geguileo | In a previous meeting: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2018/cinder.2018-06-06-16.00.log.html#l-273 | 16:28 |
| geguileo | we said people would start having a look into cinderlib and I would start looking at adding it to some of our jobs | 16:28 |
| geguileo | in the least obstrussive way | 16:28 |
| geguileo | non voting, and not consuming much time on the gate | 16:29 |
| * jungleboyj vaguely remembers that. | 16:29 | |
| geguileo | Yeah, it has been a while since that | 16:29 |
| geguileo | XD | 16:29 |
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| geguileo | So I would like to bring it up on the meeting to see how people felt | 16:29 |
| geguileo | The idea is that some jobs (ie: LVM and Ceph) would clone cinderlib | 16:30 |
| geguileo | and run its functional tests | 16:30 |
| smcginnis | Just for the record, I'm still opposed to it. | 16:30 |
| geguileo | they take less than a minute to run on an already deployed system | 16:30 |
| e0ne | I still doesn't understand a value of it without scheduler and manager | 16:30 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: To Cinderlib or to running its tests? | 16:30 |
| geguileo | smcginnis: your opposition is against the idea of cinderlib or something else? | 16:30 |
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| e0ne | at least, volume manager does a lot of thing before ad after calling drivers | 16:31 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: cinderlib and our making it semi-"official" by running gate tests with it. | 16:31 |
| jungleboyj | Ok ... | 16:31 |
| geguileo | smcginnis: so you would be against making it official then? | 16:31 |
| smcginnis | Yes | 16:32 |
| geguileo | then I guess that is a bigger topic, and probably better discussed during the PTG | 16:33 |
| jungleboyj | geguileo: ++ | 16:33 |
| e0ne | geguileo: why not to try use api-scheduler-volume with in-memory queue or something else instead of rabbitmq? | 16:33 |
| jungleboyj | We touched on that issue at the Forum I think but need to get all of us in the same room to discuss it sounds like. | 16:33 |
| e0ne | geguileo: +1, it would be good to discuss it at the PTG | 16:33 |
| geguileo | e0ne: that would mean actually running the full Cinder service | 16:34 |
| e0ne | yep | 16:34 |
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| geguileo | e0ne: which isn't so great for other things like ansible, a CSI plugin, custom applications... | 16:34 |
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| jungleboyj | I have very mixed feelings about this. Can see the benefits but also have concerns. | 16:35 |
| geguileo | jungleboyj: smcginnis any chance you could air your biggest concerns now? | 16:36 |
| jungleboyj | My concern is the lack of control over what other consumers could do with cinderlib. | 16:37 |
| e0ne | geguileo: honestly, it doesn't use cinder. it uses only cinder drivers and few more things | 16:37 |
| smcginnis | There was another meeting that wasn't linked to where we talked about this and I did. But basically I don't think cinderlib is the right approach and is exposing our driver interface and making an internal thing public. | 16:37 |
| e0ne | smcginnis: +1 | 16:37 |
| smcginnis | And containerizing cinder is easier and safer than extracting bits and pieces. | 16:37 |
| geguileo | OK, I remember that discussion and I think I presented some counter arguments, but we can discuss it more at the PTG | 16:39 |
| erlon | geguileo, I think that if we could have more use cases and pratical examples would help to make it have more sense | 16:39 |
| geguileo | erlon: custom applications, ansible, Ember-CSI, ovirt... | 16:39 |
| erlon | my first reaction and still, is that it is something nice to have | 16:39 |
| erlon | but, I still couldnt thing in the real scenarios | 16:40 |
| jungleboyj | erlon: ++ | 16:40 |
| jungleboyj | #chari smcginnis | 16:40 |
| jungleboyj | #chair smcginnis | 16:40 |
| openstack | Current chairs: jungleboyj smcginnis | 16:40 |
| geguileo | I think we can leave the topic until the PTG | 16:41 |
| jungleboyj | Just had some people show up to work on the house so I will be in and out a bit. | 16:41 |
| smcginnis | I've been drafted!! :D | 16:41 |
| geguileo | lol | 16:41 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Yep. So I can make sure they don't drop the hot tub through the roof. | 16:41 |
| jungleboyj | So, I think we are in agreement to discuss this more at the PTG? | 16:41 |
| smcginnis | OK, I think we've probably gotten as far as we can today. Let's talk at the PTG. | 16:41 |
| erlon | jungleboyj, +1 | 16:42 |
| smcginnis | geguileo: I haven't checked, but can you make sure it's on the planning etherpad? | 16:42 |
| geguileo | smcginnis: it is, but I'll add as the first sub-topic this discussion | 16:42 |
| smcginnis | ++ | 16:42 |
| smcginnis | geguileo: Thanks | 16:42 |
| smcginnis | #topic Open discussion | 16:43 |
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| smcginnis | e0ne: Did you say you had something for now? | 16:43 |
| e0ne | smcginnis: no, it was jungleboyj | 16:43 |
| ganso | I have | 16:43 |
| smcginnis | ganso: OK, go ahead. | 16:43 |
| ganso | does everybody agree we can move forward with https://review.openstack.org/#/c/578463 and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/572188/ ? | 16:44 |
| jungleboyj | geguileo: Thanks for adding it to the etherpad. | 16:45 |
| e0ne | ganso: it makes sense | 16:45 |
| smcginnis | Looks like the work was done on the cinder side. Need a show of support on those other patches? | 16:45 |
| ganso | yes | 16:45 |
| smcginnis | ganso: What is the tempest job failure about? | 16:46 |
| e0ne | ganso: this one https://review.openstack.org/#/c/578463 has -1 from CI :( | 16:46 |
| ganso | cinder side is ready. We've agreed last release to enable the online extend test to be able to see which backends report that they support (by default) but they actually don't | 16:46 |
| erlon | smcginnis, e0ne, I think that is something not related to the patch | 16:46 |
| erlon | have rechecked it, lets see if pass | 16:47 |
| ganso | e0ne: yea I may need to recheck that, possibly was a random failure | 16:47 |
| erlon | logs are gone :( | 16:47 |
| e0ne | erlon, smcginnis: there are no logs already :( | 16:47 |
| smcginnis | I think https://review.openstack.org/#/c/572188/ probably should not happen. The only safe default is LVM, and if other backend the user can override TEMPEST_EXTEND_ATTACHED_VOLUME. | 16:47 |
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| ganso | smcginnis: do you think it shouldn't happen because it will break LVM? | 16:48 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: That makes sense. | 16:48 |
| e0ne | smcginnis: good catch | 16:48 |
| erlon | smcginnis, the idea there was to broadly test attached_extend support on other backends | 16:49 |
| smcginnis | No, existing code it checks that it is using LVM and libvirt. | 16:49 |
| erlon | which currently are not tested | 16:49 |
| ganso | I am not sure I follow | 16:49 |
| smcginnis | I suppose this does make third party CI automatically start testing this unless they explicitly disable the new config options, but they can also do that with TEMPEST_EXTEND_ATTACHED_VOLUME. | 16:49 |
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| erlon | smcginnis, yes, that is the point, if they fail the tests, they will have the ability to disable | 16:50 |
| smcginnis | ganso: It already tests extend_attached if LVM is the backend and libvirt is being used. | 16:50 |
| ganso | smcginnis: I'm assuming we want to start testing this automatically for 3rd party CI | 16:50 |
| erlon | but currently, people not even know if that really works | 16:50 |
| smcginnis | erlon: Will they know after this when third party CIs just disable the test? | 16:51 |
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| erlon | smcginnis, yes, the operators will have the option to just disable the test or go and fix it | 16:52 |
| ganso | smcginnis: if their CI start failing after that patch lands they just have to disable the test or fix their reporting capabilities (which is the ideal fix) and all is fine | 16:52 |
| jungleboyj | Seems like that is likely to just cause issues. | 16:52 |
| jungleboyj | Seems like we should start by having them explicitly enable it and then re-address after we do or don't see people start enabling it. | 16:53 |
| smcginnis | So if they are using devstack, they can just set TEMPEST_EXTEND_ATTACHED_VOLUME=False, but if they are just running tempest against a full deployment to test their own stack then the operator can set the config option. | 16:53 |
| erlon | jungleboyj, you mean 'show issues' :) | 16:53 |
| jungleboyj | erlon: Maybe. | 16:53 |
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| smcginnis | Is my last summary right? ^^ | 16:53 |
| ganso | smcginnis: yes | 16:54 |
| ganso | smcginnis: what you said is addressed here https://review.openstack.org/#/c/578463/1/tempest/config.py | 16:54 |
| smcginnis | So the second patch doesn't really make any difference for third party CI, just for someone just running it themselves. | 16:54 |
| ganso | smcginnis: no, it does. The test does not run automatically today | 16:55 |
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| ganso | smcginnis: the 2nd patch makes it run automatically | 16:55 |
| * ganso hopes is not confusing the 1st with the 2nd | 16:55 | |
| smcginnis | ganso: Actually, the second patch defaults it to false, so the first patch makes it run automatically, but then the introduction of the additional config option disables it, right? | 16:56 |
| smcginnis | Maybe I have the order of patches confused. | 16:56 |
| ganso | lol yea I was referring the 1st one as the tempest one that adds the config option, and the 2nd one would be the devstack one | 16:56 |
| smcginnis | ganso: OK, thanks. I think I've got it now. | 16:57 |
| smcginnis | * <3 minutes left | 16:57 |
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| smcginnis | Shouldn't https://review.openstack.org/#/c/572188/ depends-on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/578463/ ? | 16:58 |
| jungleboyj | Down to 2 minutes. | 16:59 |
| smcginnis | We can probably wrap. | 16:59 |
| ganso | smcginnis: no, they are not handled by the same config option | 16:59 |
| * erlon is lost | 16:59 | |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Are your questions answered or do we need to work this offline? | 16:59 |
| ganso | smcginnis: one is "extend_attached_volume_support", which relates to the new capabilities | 16:59 |
| ganso | smcginnis: the other is "extend_attached_volume" which dictates if the tests should be run | 17:00 |
| ganso | so they are independent | 17:00 |
| jungleboyj | And that is time. | 17:00 |
| jungleboyj | Lets wrap up the discussion in the channel. | 17:00 |
| jungleboyj | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 17:00 | |
| erlon | botton line is, We have a feature that drivers thing they support while some might not do so. The question is, should we cause those to fail and point the errors? | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Sep 5 17:00:43 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2018/cinder.2018-09-05-16.00.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2018/cinder.2018-09-05-16.00.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2018/cinder.2018-09-05-16.00.log.html | 17:00 |
| smcginnis | I'm lost now too, but we can figure it out later. | 17:00 |
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| erlon | argh! | 17:01 |
| erlon | lol | 17:01 |
| jungleboyj | erlon: You are at the PTG? | 17:01 |
| erlon | jungleboyj, yes | 17:01 |
| jungleboyj | erlon: Add it to the schedule. | 17:01 |
| erlon | Ill add this to the topis | 17:01 |
| jungleboyj | erlon: Thank you! | 17:01 |
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| * fungi looks around | 19:00 | |
| SotK | anyone around for a storyboard meeting? | 19:00 |
| fungi | yep! | 19:01 |
| SotK | #startmeeting storyboard | 19:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Sep 5 19:01:12 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SotK. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: storyboard)" | 19:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'storyboard' | 19:01 |
| SotK | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/StoryBoard#Agenda_for_next_meeting Agenda | 19:01 |
| SotK | #topic Announcements | 19:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: storyboard)" | 19:01 | |
| SotK | Migrations! | 19:01 |
| SotK | searchlight and freezer this time | 19:02 |
| fungi | yep, those happened | 19:02 |
| fungi | also slogging | 19:02 |
| fungi | and apparently we've learned that patrole moved to storyboard.o.o months ago but never let anyone know they needed bugs migrated | 19:03 |
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| SotK | heh, I'm glad that things are continuing apace | 19:04 |
| SotK | #topic Migration Updates | 19:05 |
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| SotK | anything to update diablo_rojo? | 19:05 |
| diablo_rojo | Ummm | 19:06 |
| diablo_rojo | Nothing new besides those two that migrated last week | 19:06 |
| diablo_rojo | Oh, and it looks like there is a QA subproject migrating soon | 19:06 |
| diablo_rojo | That's about all I have there. | 19:07 |
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| fungi | patrole? | 19:07 |
| diablo_rojo | Yep thats the one | 19:09 |
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| SotK | cool, hopefully others start moving a bit post-ptg | 19:12 |
| SotK | #topic PTG | 19:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "PTG (Meeting topic: storyboard)" | 19:12 | |
| SotK | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/sb-stein-ptg-planning PTG Etherpad | 19:13 |
| diablo_rojo | Yeah I think we will have some more interest after | 19:13 |
| diablo_rojo | I started adding topic there | 19:13 |
| diablo_rojo | Feel free to add | 19:13 |
| diablo_rojo | And I will also schedule us for Tuesday afternoon via ptg bot. | 19:13 |
| SotK | thanks :) | 19:14 |
| SotK | I will try to consider things to add to the list | 19:14 |
| diablo_rojo | I won't be able to start us until 20:00 UTC | 19:15 |
| diablo_rojo | Will that still work for you SotK ? | 19:15 |
| SotK | yeah that'll be fine | 19:15 |
| diablo_rojo | Coool. | 19:15 |
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| diablo_rojo | I have to cover the team photos for a half hour after lunch but then I'll be able to kick things off | 19:16 |
| diablo_rojo | One other PTG thing. | 19:16 |
| SotK | sounds good | 19:16 |
| diablo_rojo | People want a tutorial during lunch. | 19:16 |
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| diablo_rojo | Any things I should cover besides like making boards, worklists (regular & automatic), stories & tasks. | 19:17 |
| diablo_rojo | I feel like there is a lot of stuff I could cover but I don't want to bore people for 10 minutes | 19:17 |
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| fungi | yeah, i would keep to the basics | 19:18 |
| SotK | me too, that sounds like a good list | 19:19 |
| fungi | with prominent repetitive mention of the documentation | 19:19 |
| SotK | maybe some using boards/worklists (ie showing the manual ordering for regular ones) too | 19:19 |
| diablo_rojo | fungi, you wanna narrate while I do things? Or vice versa? I can probably do it alone, but I dunno what the setup will be if I'll have to hold a mike while computering...thats not so easy | 19:19 |
| diablo_rojo | fungi, yeah thats a good idea | 19:19 |
| fungi | happy to narrate if you have a basic outline of what you plan to do in what order | 19:20 |
| diablo_rojo | fungi, I can put one together today/tomorrow and we can go over it Sunday morning or something? | 19:20 |
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| fungi | wfm, i've got no real plans before the tc stuff sunday afternoon | 19:20 |
| diablo_rojo | Cool, thats what I was banking on :) | 19:22 |
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| SotK | any other ptg stuff? | 19:23 |
| diablo_rojo | Don't think so | 19:23 |
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| diablo_rojo | Timing, etherpad and lunch things were all I had | 19:23 |
| SotK | I assume there will be a hangout link nearer the time? | 19:23 |
| diablo_rojo | SotK, yeah. I can probably generate one ahead of time, just havent gotten around to it yet | 19:24 |
| diablo_rojo | Also reminds me to put speaker/mic on my packing list | 19:24 |
| SotK | :D please do | 19:24 |
| SotK | but there is no rush for a link, obviously | 19:24 |
| SotK | #topic In Progress Work | 19:25 |
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| SotK | I reviewed your patch diablo_rojo, and also fatema's api patch | 19:26 |
| diablo_rojo | SotK, awesome | 19:26 |
| SotK | I'm afraid I noticed more spots where we use the name that I didn't notice earlier | 19:26 |
| diablo_rojo | Yeah I saw comments, haven't gotten around to updating yet. | 19:26 |
| SotK | good :) | 19:26 |
| diablo_rojo | Hopefully will by the end of the week | 19:26 |
| diablo_rojo | No worries :) I appreciate the comments | 19:27 |
| SotK | I think the project groups by name patches are all ready for review now | 19:27 |
| diablo_rojo | SotK, excellent | 19:28 |
| * diablo_rojo adds to review list | 19:28 | |
| SotK | also, it'd be good if someone could +A https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bugfixes+status:open please :) | 19:28 |
| diablo_rojo | fungi, ^^ | 19:28 |
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| fungi | yep, those seem to be worky | 19:30 |
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| SotK | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/599182/ is a tiny patch to fix something that I didn't notice in the UI patches we've merged so far where comments are all ugly and grey now | 19:31 |
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| fungi | http://logs.openstack.org/82/599182/1/check/build-javascript-content/b97a581/npm/html/#!/story/1759730 looks good | 19:33 |
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| SotK | I'm hopeful that by PTG I'll have a patch for alleviating the "rendering 1000 comments at once is bad" bug too, I was just feeling more creative than annoying-bugfixy this weekend | 19:34 |
| * diablo_rojo looks | 19:34 | |
| SotK | thanks :) | 19:35 |
| diablo_rojo | SotK, we appreciate all of what you do :) Creative & bug-fixy alike. | 19:36 |
| SotK | if anyone fancies making comment on the direction that this WIP story detail layout patch is going I'd welcome it, but its not really priority atm: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/599194/ | 19:36 |
| SotK | heh, I'm glad | 19:36 |
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| * diablo_rojo opens 599194 | 19:38 | |
| SotK | anything else in progress? | 19:39 |
| diablo_rojo | So for some weird reason I am currently unable to view logs.. | 19:39 |
| diablo_rojo | I updated my browser and cleared my cache and nada | 19:39 |
| * diablo_rojo will have to look into that later | 19:39 | |
| SotK | you might need to accept the cert on https://storyboard-dev.openstack.org/ | 19:40 |
| SotK | I have to do it semi-regularly I find | 19:40 |
| diablo_rojo | Ah yep that did it- I've never hit that before. | 19:40 |
| SotK | good :) | 19:41 |
| SotK | #topic Open Discussion | 19:41 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: storyboard)" | 19:41 | |
| diablo_rojo | ooOOoo I like the tags in the new view | 19:41 |
| diablo_rojo | looks like some of the events formatting is a tad screwwy, but I like it overall. | 19:42 |
| fungi | i'm trying to calculate "launchpad doomsday" (when our story 2000000 will collide with a bug 2000000 in lp) | 19:42 |
| SotK | yeah, the events are still a bit WIP | 19:42 |
| fungi | trending the last 100k bugs or so to see what the current rate of growth is | 19:42 |
| fungi | we're about 200k away from collision | 19:42 |
| SotK | eek | 19:43 |
| clarkb | there is a realtively not terrible hack we could do should we hit doomsday. Add a trailing zero to all existing bugs, rewrite old numbers to new number and hand wave around where they collide (you have to use new url) | 19:46 |
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| diablo_rojo | New urls might be painful, but a necessary evil I guess | 19:48 |
| SotK | that would work, except annoying for pre-doomsday links in gerrit | 19:48 |
| SotK | I don't have any better ideas though | 19:48 |
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| clarkb | oh Ieant do redirects for old numbers | 19:51 |
| clarkb | that will onlu break where they collide | 19:51 |
| SotK | oh I see | 19:51 |
| SotK | yeah that makes sense | 19:51 |
| diablo_rojo | Oh okay thats less painful | 19:51 |
| fungi | lately bugs have been added to lp at a rate of roughly one every 416 seconds | 19:52 |
| fungi | which is far slower than i anticipated | 19:52 |
| fungi | unless my math is off (i need to double-check my figures) that gives us until the middle of 2021 | 19:53 |
| diablo_rojo | Wonder what that says about the quality of OpenStack? compared to other projects? | 19:53 |
| diablo_rojo | Oh cool, 2021 is aways away | 19:54 |
| SotK | your maths matches my rough estimate | 19:54 |
| fungi | well, in spot-checking bug creation dates, i also noticed that many if not a mahority of the bugs being opened on lp are for openstack projects | 19:54 |
| fungi | so in theory the rate of bug accumulation on lp might slow noticeably as we move more projects to sb.o.o | 19:55 |
| diablo_rojo | That's kind of what I guessed, but I am glad we have actual data to kind of back it up | 19:55 |
| fungi | the potential slowing for lp is based solely on anecdata | 19:56 |
| fungi | but at least we seem to have more breathing room than i was worried we might | 19:57 |
| SotK | yeah, 2021 feels like a decent amount of space | 19:57 |
| diablo_rojo | Yeah | 19:58 |
| * diablo_rojo was thinking months-ish | 19:58 | |
| SotK | ok we're about out of time | 19:59 |
| SotK | catch us in #storyboard :) | 19:59 |
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| SotK | #endmeeting | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Sep 5 20:00:03 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2018/storyboard.2018-09-05-19.01.html | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2018/storyboard.2018-09-05-19.01.txt | 20:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2018/storyboard.2018-09-05-19.01.log.html | 20:00 |
| diablo_rojo | Thanks SotK! | 20:00 |
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| notmyname | #startmeeting swift | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Sep 5 21:00:11 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is notmyname. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'swift' | 21:00 |
| notmyname | who's here for the swift team meeting | 21:00 |
| notmyname | ? | 21:00 |
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| rledisez | hi o/ | 21:01 |
| notmyname | good evening rledisez | 21:01 |
| rledisez | good evening to you :) | 21:01 |
| rledisez | well, good afternoon for you i guess | 21:01 |
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| notmyname | mattoliverau is out this week, of course. I haven't seen kota_. not sure what clayg and timburke and tdasilva are up to | 21:02 |
| kota_ | o/ | 21:02 |
| notmyname | oh hi kota_! | 21:02 |
| notmyname | good morning | 21:02 |
| kota_ | just waking up | 21:02 |
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| notmyname | next week is the ptg, so I wanted to make sure everyone is feeling ok about it | 21:03 |
| notmyname | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/swift-ptg-planning-denver-2018 | 21:03 |
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| notmyname | the etherpad still feels a little limited to me. however, the attendance list is pretty short too | 21:04 |
| kota_ | exactly | 21:04 |
| notmyname | rledisez: kota_: do either of you have any questions or concerns about next week? | 21:05 |
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| kota_ | when you guys get in to denver? | 21:06 |
| rledisez | notmyname: not for now | 21:06 |
| notmyname | I get there on sunday | 21:06 |
| rledisez | kota_: me and alecuyer will land tuesday afternoon | 21:06 |
| notmyname | ah, ok | 21:06 |
| kota_ | I'll be since sunday afternoon | 21:06 |
| tdasilva | i'll be there on Monday morning | 21:06 |
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| kota_ | ok, thanks! I'll be able to find you around days ;) | 21:07 |
| notmyname | is there any topic that you'd like to talk about that isn't written in the etherpad yet? | 21:08 |
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| zaitcev | What Etherpad? | 21:09 |
| * timburke comes in late | 21:09 | |
| notmyname | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/swift-ptg-planning-denver-2018 | 21:09 |
| tdasilva | it would be cool to discuss maybe review PUT+POST | 21:09 |
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| zaitcev | Yeah | 21:09 |
| zaitcev | I didn't touch it in a while, but officially it's ready. | 21:10 |
| notmyname | timburke: zaitcev: we're just talking about the ptg topics. making sure we're feeling ok with what's written down to talk about and we're all ready | 21:10 |
| tdasilva | zaitcev: are you going to the PTG? | 21:11 |
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| notmyname | tdasilva: yeah, I think with the smaller group, we may be able to have some productive group review time | 21:11 |
| zaitcev | tdasilva: I should be there, yes. | 21:11 |
| notmyname | timburke: do you think we should put the multi-keymaster stuff on there? | 21:13 |
| timburke | *shrug* it's low-priority for me. sounds like having me focus on s3 and py3 would be a better use of time | 21:15 |
| notmyname | agreed | 21:15 |
| notmyname | I wrote it down so we can explicitly ignore it if we choose to :-) | 21:16 |
| notmyname | who asked about proxyfs status? | 21:16 |
| zaitcev | I did. | 21:17 |
| notmyname | ok, cool | 21:17 |
| zaitcev | notmyname: I'm just curious. | 21:17 |
| notmyname | yeah, I think we could say a little about it | 21:17 |
| notmyname | ok, I don't want to keep this meeting going longer than needed | 21:18 |
| notmyname | is there anything else we need to discuss about the ptg (other than "update the etherpad")? | 21:18 |
| notmyname | any specific questions? | 21:18 |
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| notmyname | I'm sure we'll all end up spending a lot of time together like normal, but we should try to do an "official" dinner together later in the week when everyone is there | 21:19 |
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| notmyname | I don't see any more ptg questions | 21:20 |
| notmyname | is there anything else we need to bring up this week in the meeting? something you'd like answered or help with before we see each other next week? | 21:20 |
| notmyname | I'll take the silence as a no :-) | 21:22 |
| zaitcev | Looks like no. | 21:22 |
| notmyname | thanks for coming to the meeting this week | 21:22 |
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| notmyname | I'm looking forward to seeing you in denver next week | 21:22 |
| notmyname | thank you for your work on swift | 21:22 |
| kota_ | me too! | 21:22 |
| notmyname | #endmeeting | 21:22 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Sep 5 21:22:25 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:22 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2018/swift.2018-09-05-21.00.html | 21:22 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2018/swift.2018-09-05-21.00.txt | 21:22 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2018/swift.2018-09-05-21.00.log.html | 21:22 |
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