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| melwitt | #startmeeting nova | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 28 14:00:07 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is melwitt. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova' | 14:00 |
| melwitt | howdy everybody | 14:00 |
| mnaser | hello :) | 14:00 |
| takashin | o/ | 14:00 |
| gibi | o/ | 14:00 |
| efried | ō/ | 14:00 |
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| edleafe | \o | 14:01 |
| melwitt | #topic Release News | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Release News (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:01 | |
| melwitt | #link Rocky release schedule: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/Rocky_Release_Schedule | 14:01 |
| melwitt | #link Rocky review runways: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nova-runways-rocky | 14:01 |
| melwitt | #link runway #1: Report CPU features as traits - https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/report-cpu-features-as-traits [END DATE: 2018-07-06] https://review.openstack.org/560317 | 14:01 |
| patchbot | patch 560317 - nova - Add method to get cpu traits | 14:01 |
| melwitt | #link runway #2: NUMA aware vSwitches - https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/numa-aware-vswitches (stephenfin) [END DATE: 2018-07-06] https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/numa-aware-vswitches | 14:02 |
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| melwitt | #link runway #3: Complex Anti Affinity Policies: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/complex-anti-affinity-policies (yikun) [END DATE: 2018-07-06] https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/complex-anti-affinity-policies | 14:02 |
| mriedem | o/ | 14:02 |
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| melwitt | r-3 is July 26, about a month from now | 14:02 |
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| melwitt | I don't have anything else for release news or runways. anyone have anything they'd like to add? | 14:03 |
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| mriedem | seems like all 3 are getting decent review | 14:03 |
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| melwitt | I noticed that too. kudos to everyone pitching in there | 14:04 |
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| * bauzas waves a bit late | 14:05 | |
| melwitt | #topic Bugs (stuck/critical) | 14:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bugs (stuck/critical) (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:05 | |
| melwitt | no bugs in the critical bugs link | 14:05 |
| melwitt | #link 49 new untriaged bugs (up 2 since the last meeting): https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?search=Search&field.status=New | 14:05 |
| melwitt | #link 11 untagged untriaged bugs: https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?field.tag=-*&field.status%3Alist=NEW | 14:05 |
| * tssurya waves late | 14:05 | |
| melwitt | untriaged bug count still creeping up. thanks for those who have been helping and we need more help | 14:06 |
| melwitt | #link bug triage how-to: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/BugTriage#Tags | 14:06 |
| melwitt | #help need help with bug triage | 14:06 |
| melwitt | Gate status: | 14:06 |
| melwitt | #link check queue gate status http://status.openstack.org/elastic-recheck/index.html | 14:06 |
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| mriedem | i have a new cells v1 skip patch | 14:07 |
| mriedem | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/578125/ | 14:07 |
| patchbot | patch 578125 - nova - Skip ServerShowV247Test.test_update_rebuild_list_s... | 14:07 |
| mriedem | another rebuild test for cells v1 | 14:07 |
| mriedem | i think that's all i've noticed for new gate issues this week | 14:07 |
| melwitt | a-ha, cool, thanks. will review that one | 14:07 |
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| melwitt | 3rd party CI: | 14:08 |
| melwitt | #link 3rd party CI status http://ci-watch.tintri.com/project?project=nova&time=7+days | 14:08 |
| melwitt | does anyone have anything else for bugs, gate status or third party CI? | 14:09 |
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| johnthetubaguy | random note, when do we plan to remove cells v1? | 14:09 |
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| mriedem | after nova-net | 14:09 |
| mriedem | which at this point is at least stein | 14:09 |
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| melwitt | yep | 14:10 |
| johnthetubaguy | cool, thanks | 14:10 |
| mriedem | johnthetubaguy: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2018-June/131247.html | 14:10 |
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| melwitt | thanks for that link | 14:10 |
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| melwitt | any other questions or comments on bugs, gate status or third party CI? | 14:10 |
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| johnthetubaguy | ah, thanks | 14:10 |
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| melwitt | #topic Reminders | 14:11 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Reminders (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:11 | |
| melwitt | #link Rocky Subteam Patches n Bugs https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/rocky-nova-priorities-tracking | 14:11 |
| melwitt | that's all I have for reminders. does anyone have any other reminders to highlight? | 14:12 |
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| melwitt | #topic Stable branch status | 14:13 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Stable branch status (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:13 | |
| melwitt | #link stable/queens: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:stable/queens,n,z | 14:13 |
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| melwitt | have 6 queens backports proposed needing stable reviews | 14:13 |
| melwitt | #link stable/pike: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:stable/pike,n,z | 14:13 |
| melwitt | 7 backports for pike | 14:14 |
| melwitt | #link stable/ocata: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:stable/ocata,n,z | 14:14 |
| melwitt | 6 backports for ocata | 14:14 |
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| melwitt | does anyone have anything else for stable branch status? | 14:15 |
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| melwitt | #topic Subteam Highlights | 14:16 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Subteam Highlights (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:16 | |
| * efried scrambles | 14:16 | |
| melwitt | cells v2, we skipped the weekly meeting yesterday | 14:17 |
| melwitt | we chatted about the "handling a down cell" spec | 14:17 |
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| melwitt | added comments on the review | 14:17 |
| melwitt | anything else I'm missing dansmith or mriedem? | 14:17 |
| mriedem | i had that marker bug fix patch | 14:17 |
| mriedem | and dan has his sub url patch | 14:17 |
| * mriedem finds links | 14:17 | |
| melwitt | oh right. those are on my review list | 14:18 |
| mriedem | #link handling a down cell spec https://review.openstack.org/#/c/557369/ | 14:18 |
| patchbot | patch 557369 - nova-specs - Handling a down cell | 14:18 |
| mriedem | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/576161/ | 14:18 |
| patchbot | patch 576161 - nova - Fix regression when listing build_requests with ma... | 14:18 |
| mriedem | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/578163/ | 14:18 |
| patchbot | patch 578163 - nova - Allow templated cell_mapping URLs | 14:18 |
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| melwitt | cool, thanks | 14:18 |
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| melwitt | scheduler, cdent or efried or jaypipes? | 14:20 |
| efried | We discussed https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1777591 | 14:20 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1777591 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "‘limit’ in allocation_candidates where sometimes make force_hosts invalid" [High,In progress] - Assigned to xulei (605423512-j) | 14:20 |
| efried | TL;DR: if you're force_host'ing, the limit on GET /a_c can make you come up dry. | 14:20 |
| cdent | i fell off the net midway through | 14:20 |
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| efried | We agreed on the long-term approach, which is to make GET /a_c accept UUID(s) to limit the results. | 14:20 |
| mriedem | looks like they've updated the patch to not pass a limit when forcing a host or node https://review.openstack.org/#/c/576693/ | 14:21 |
| patchbot | patch 576693 - nova - Disable limits if force_hosts or force_nodes is set | 14:21 |
| efried | And the backportable fix, which is to disable the limit qparam when forcing... yeah, what mriedem said. | 14:21 |
| mriedem | we also talked about functional ways to test this, but it's not easy | 14:21 |
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| efried | We also agreed that the long-term approach should be punted to Stein, because we've got too much going on in Rocky to try to add it. | 14:21 |
| efried | And cdent and I spent some time starting down the rabbit hole of what it really means to say GET /a_c?rp_uuids=in:X,Y,Z | 14:22 |
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| efried | Hint: it's not going to be as simple as you think. Handling nested/shared gets hairy, unless we start exposing the concept of "anchor" (or "target", whatever you want to call it). Which we have a hard enough time explaining internally in code. | 14:23 |
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| efried | That's it. | 14:23 |
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| melwitt | lots of good info there, thanks for the update efried | 14:23 |
| melwitt | notifications subteam, gibi? | 14:23 |
| gibi | melwitt: there was no meeting this week | 14:24 |
| gibi | melwitt: here is the current status mail #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2018-June/131827.html | 14:24 |
| gibi | melwitt: many closed blueprint so happyness :) | 14:24 |
| gibi | melwitt: that is all | 14:24 |
| melwitt | woot | 14:24 |
| melwitt | thanks gibi | 14:25 |
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| melwitt | anything else for subteam highlights before we move on? | 14:25 |
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| melwitt | #topic Stuck Reviews | 14:26 |
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| melwitt | nothing on the agenda. does anyone in the room have anything for stuck reviews? | 14:26 |
| melwitt | #topic Open discussion | 14:27 |
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| melwitt | we have a couple of items on the agenda, specless blueprints looking for approval | 14:27 |
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| melwitt | #link specless blueprint approval wanted (jangutter): https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/vrouter-os-vif-conversion | 14:27 |
| jangutter | Thanks! | 14:28 |
| melwitt | similar to this change that merged earlier this cycle: https://review.openstack.org/534371 | 14:28 |
| patchbot | patch 534371 - nova - remove IVS plug/unplug as they're moved to separat... (MERGED) | 14:28 |
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| melwitt | from what I understand, this is just converting existing code to leverage os-vif and fairly simple | 14:28 |
| mriedem | famous last words | 14:28 |
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| melwitt | yeah, true | 14:29 |
| jangutter | Yep. I can go into some funzies if you want.... | 14:29 |
| jangutter | But, the worst seems to be that this is going to move pain out of Nova. | 14:29 |
| melwitt | I think my main question about it is, are there any migration issues to consider here? | 14:29 |
| melwitt | upgrade/migration | 14:30 |
| jangutter | There has to be an upgrade step, yeah: | 14:30 |
| mriedem | since we're past spec freeze, i think it would be good to say that anything new coming in as exceptions require at least 2 cores signing up to review them, like we used to do in days of old with FFEs | 14:30 |
| jangutter | I'm also 100% on board with that. | 14:30 |
| melwitt | that's fair, mriedem | 14:31 |
| jangutter | So during the upgrade, Contrail will have to pull in a new os-vif plugin. | 14:31 |
| jangutter | However: most Contrail installs lock the version of Contrail/Tungsten Fabric 1:1 with OpenStack. | 14:31 |
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| mriedem | which is the same os-vif plugin repo that provides the contrail_vrouter vif type support yes? | 14:31 |
| jangutter | mriedem: correct. | 14:31 |
| mriedem | so chances are it's already there | 14:31 |
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| mriedem | but you'd need the new version that supports the vrouter vif type | 14:32 |
| jangutter | mriedem: correct. And since the next version of Contrail is only targeting Queens, there's going to be at least one cycle of overlap. | 14:32 |
| mriedem | since the contrail plugin reviews aren't in our gerrit - can we still depend on them using zuulv3? | 14:32 |
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| mriedem | in other words, i think the nova change shouldn't land until either the contrail plugin series is merged (if we can depends-on with zuul externally) or those are released (even though they aren't released to pypi....) | 14:33 |
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| jangutter | mriedem: I think that's a fair ask. | 14:33 |
| mriedem | btw, kind of sucks those don't get released to pypi | 14:33 |
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| jangutter | mriedem: I'll definitely pass along the request to TF/Contrail | 14:34 |
| mriedem | so who is signing up to review this? | 14:34 |
| melwitt | so there's a possibility that it will be "ok" to merge nova changes after contrail plugin changes merge, _without_ a release? | 14:34 |
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| melwitt | of the plugin? | 14:35 |
| mriedem | melwitt: idk, i thought zuulv3 can depends-on external changes b/c of urls | 14:35 |
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| mriedem | if so, then that's probably good enough | 14:35 |
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| mriedem | i've never tried it though, like a nova change depending on a github change | 14:35 |
| melwitt | what I mean is, do consumers of the plugin pull it from source? | 14:35 |
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| mriedem | they get it from their big vendor product install | 14:35 |
| melwitt | okay | 14:35 |
| jangutter | melwitt: consumers of the plugin grabs it from the massive containers published by TF/Contrail | 14:35 |
| mriedem | https://github.com/Juniper/contrail-nova-vif-driver | 14:36 |
| mriedem | that does get tagged at least | 14:36 |
| jangutter | melwitt: they're pretty far downstream from OpenStack | 14:36 |
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| melwitt | I see. thanks | 14:36 |
| mriedem | normally with dependent libraries we'd say you need at least version x.y of something in the reno | 14:36 |
| mriedem | is kind of my point | 14:36 |
| melwitt | yeah, that is what I'm used to | 14:37 |
| mriedem | so we could hold the nova change until the https://github.com/Juniper/contrail-nova-vif-driver patches are merged and tagged | 14:37 |
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| mriedem | hopefully jangutter is actually testing all of this end to end to make sure it works... | 14:37 |
| jangutter | (facepalm) yes, that is a very good point. I'll engage with the TF community to ensure that happens. | 14:37 |
| mriedem | since there is no CI | 14:37 |
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| mriedem | anyway, i'll leave a comment on the nova change and we can move on | 14:38 |
| jangutter | mriedem: oh yes, but the coverage is very very tiny :-( | 14:38 |
| jangutter | Thanks for indulging! | 14:38 |
| mriedem | can i (1) install it and (2) create a server with a port that plugs in properly | 14:38 |
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| jangutter | mriedem: that's tricky, since Contrail historically has problems with OpenStack master. | 14:39 |
| jangutter | mriedem: Tungsten Fabric is trying to get better, but it's going to take a bit of time. | 14:39 |
| mriedem | so this nova change is going to be backported internally to queens? | 14:39 |
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| mriedem | anyway, i don't need to know that | 14:40 |
| jangutter | mriedem: this change doesn't need backports to queens. | 14:40 |
| mriedem | nor do i expect 3rd party CI | 14:40 |
| mriedem | jangutter: i know it doesn't upstream :) | 14:40 |
| mriedem | anyway, better move on | 14:40 |
| melwitt | okay. so jangutter needs to find 2 cores that can commit to reviewing the series, if so, we'll approve the bp | 14:40 |
| jangutter | thanks! | 14:40 |
| melwitt | stephenfin might be a good person to ask, he has knowledge in os-vif | 14:40 |
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| melwitt | okay, next one on the agenda: | 14:40 |
| melwitt | #link specless blueprint approval wanted (gmann): https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/api-extensions-merge-rocky | 14:41 |
| melwitt | continuation of queens work to merge API extensions in controller and schema code | 14:41 |
| melwitt | seems okay to me. other opinions? | 14:41 |
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| mriedem | it was approved for rocky until about a week ago when i deferred it due to no activity, | 14:42 |
| mriedem | since then gmann went nuts | 14:42 |
| melwitt | it had gotten untargeted from rocky because there were no changes proposed and now it has several changes proposed | 14:42 |
| mriedem | so might as well throw it back into the mix | 14:42 |
| melwitt | ++ okay, will approve | 14:42 |
| melwitt | okay, next, mnaser has a review he wanted to discuss | 14:43 |
| mnaser | hi! | 14:43 |
| melwitt | #link Add hostId to metadata service https://review.openstack.org/577933 | 14:43 |
| patchbot | patch 577933 - nova - Add hostId to metadata service | 14:43 |
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| mnaser | i was just wondering thought about that with maybe more eyes to discuss it | 14:43 |
| mriedem | i would be fine with that *except* for the issues with config drive not changing during live migration and the hostId will be stale | 14:44 |
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| mnaser | well isnt 'normal' metadata published in config drive? | 14:44 |
| mriedem | i don't think we have other fields in the config drive that suffer from that - we have the AZ but you can't live migrate out of the AZ unless you force it | 14:44 |
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| mnaser | like user pbulished metadata | 14:44 |
| mriedem | mnaser: as in boot time metadata and then add more later? | 14:44 |
| mnaser | yeah | 14:44 |
| mriedem | yes but i'd kind of think those are used differently | 14:45 |
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| johnthetubaguy | does sound a bit like setting you up for a facepalm | 14:46 |
| mriedem | if you create a guest and require the ability to be able to change metadata later and have it reflected in the guest, you can't rely on config drive - but i'm not sure that we have a way to say 'definitely no config drive, metadata api or bust' | 14:46 |
| melwitt | so hostId would create an inconsistency between config drive metadata vs metadata API metadata? | 14:46 |
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| mriedem | hostId is hashed instance.host + project_id | 14:46 |
| mriedem | if the guest is live migrated, the config drive hostId hash would be from the initial host, not the current host | 14:47 |
| johnthetubaguy | and resize, etc | 14:47 |
| mriedem | so it can't really be trusted in a public cloud that does a lot of live migratoin | 14:47 |
| mriedem | i'm honestly not sure in which cases we rebuild the config drive | 14:47 |
| mriedem | besides rebuild and unshelve | 14:47 |
| johnthetubaguy | I guess its a non use triggered action that changes a property you might not expect | 14:47 |
| melwitt | yeah, understood. and this would be the only piece of metadata that would be like that | 14:47 |
| mriedem | melwitt: i haven't done a full audit but a quick glance i tihnk so yes | 14:47 |
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| mriedem | as noted about AZ | 14:48 |
| johnthetubaguy | server metadata is updated by the user, so that feels different somehow | 14:48 |
| mriedem | right agree | 14:48 |
| mriedem | as a user/guest, i won't/shouldn't know if i've been live migrated | 14:48 |
| mriedem | i guess you'd know from the compute REST API on the outside though | 14:48 |
| mriedem | if that hostId doesn't match what's in the guest, you know the guest was moved | 14:48 |
| melwitt | there's been want to rebuild config drive in more cases in the past, so maybe doing something like that could create consistency? I can't remember if it was ever proposed to rebuild it upon live migration | 14:49 |
| mriedem | mnaser: so i know this use case is for infra right now, but would you support this at vexxxhost? | 14:49 |
| mnaser | yes | 14:49 |
| mriedem | oops i made that too sexy | 14:49 |
| mriedem | ha | 14:49 |
| mnaser | lol | 14:49 |
| mnaser | honestly | 14:49 |
| mnaser | i would be okay with us maybe putting a warning saying that this *could* change in configdrive | 14:50 |
| mnaser | but in general anything config drive is not 'total source of truth' | 14:50 |
| mriedem | sure, that's why i'm not against the idea | 14:50 |
| mriedem | just caveats | 14:50 |
| mnaser | so that warning would apply in anything config drive.. metadata api service is still giving the best up to date info | 14:50 |
| mriedem | and we don't document the metadata api responses at all | 14:50 |
| mriedem | right, but some clouds don't even run the metadata api | 14:50 |
| mriedem | that's why i was trying to figure out if there is a way to say i only want metadata api for my guest or nothing at all | 14:51 |
| mriedem | you can say no config drive when creating a server (and that's the default from the api) but i don't think we have any way from the compute service to know that the metadata api isn't running | 14:51 |
| johnthetubaguy | you can --config-drive false | 14:51 |
| johnthetubaguy | ah, right | 14:51 |
| mriedem | yeah it's not the same | 14:51 |
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| johnthetubaguy | yeah | 14:51 |
| melwitt | it would be interesting to know if there are other fields that can be stale for config drive. maybe this is no different than the current state | 14:51 |
| johnthetubaguy | server metadata was a good example | 14:52 |
| johnthetubaguy | all the network state would be stale | 14:52 |
| johnthetubaguy | don't regenerate on vif plug | 14:52 |
| mriedem | sure any ports or volumes you attach after the server is created wouldn't be in config drive | 14:52 |
| mnaser | yeah if you unplug or plug new vifs | 14:52 |
| johnthetubaguy | ... real answer is we need to document that stuff | 14:52 |
| mnaser | so while i agree that my stuff can be stale, other stuff can be too, so this might be a two part problem where i just volunteered myself to have some sort of warning saying | 14:53 |
| mnaser | config drive data don't get regenerated and therefore might be stale | 14:53 |
| mnaser | s/don't/doesn't/ | 14:53 |
| mriedem | maybe we just need some docs in https://docs.openstack.org/nova/latest/user/config-drive.html about config drive being stale and ways to refresh it (server actions that is) | 14:53 |
| mriedem | if we have that, i'd be more comfortable with adding this | 14:53 |
| johnthetubaguy | like, if you need something fresh, do a rebuild? | 14:53 |
| melwitt | yeah, I was trying to highlight whether this would be the _first_ stale thing or if there are already stale things and it's a known landscape | 14:53 |
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| mriedem | this might be the first stale thing not initiated by a user is the wrinkle i think | 14:54 |
| efried | I thought config drive wasn't even needed/used after initial boot. Pretty sure in Power we remove the thing and never reattach it. | 14:54 |
| melwitt | so it sounds like, this is probably okay provided that docs patches are landed with it to be clear about config drive | 14:54 |
| * stephenfin wonders why we still care about config drive if the metadata service seems better in every way | 14:54 | |
| * mnaser can add document update to config drive being stale in a patch under mine | 14:54 | |
| mriedem | stephenfin: see above | 14:54 |
| melwitt | mriedem: I see | 14:54 |
| mriedem | stephenfin: some deployments don't run the metadata api | 14:54 |
| mriedem | mnaser: ok do that an i'm ok with your change | 14:55 |
| melwitt | yeah, Oath don't run the metadata API, for one | 14:55 |
| mnaser | but i don't have the time/resources to add an extra patch that implements rebuilding config drive somewhow | 14:55 |
| mriedem | heh i'm not asking for that | 14:55 |
| mriedem | i think SpamapS wants it though | 14:55 |
| mriedem | but he knows how to code i think | 14:55 |
| mriedem | :) | 14:55 |
| mnaser | ok so i will push up a patch under mine as a doc update to let users know that configdrive could have stale data as it is built when the instance is first created | 14:55 |
| mnaser | also im pretty sure that only happens if you use shared storage | 14:55 |
| mnaser | (i think?) | 14:55 |
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| mnaser | maybe just on live migrations would be better to summarize it | 14:56 |
| melwitt | okay, sounds like we agree this is okay with some doc updates to go with it | 14:56 |
| melwitt | we have 4 minutes left | 14:56 |
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| mnaser | thanks everyone (for comments) | 14:56 |
| melwitt | does anyone in the room have anything for open discussion before we wrap up? | 14:57 |
| melwitt | okay, let's call it. thanks everyone | 14:58 |
| melwitt | #endmeeting | 14:58 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 28 14:58:18 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2018/nova.2018-06-28-14.00.html | 14:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2018/nova.2018-06-28-14.00.txt | 14:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2018/nova.2018-06-28-14.00.log.html | 14:58 |
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| lhinds | rollcall eeiden fungi gagehugo lhinds nickthetait browne redrobot | 15:04 |
| lhinds | see who is around | 15:04 |
| gagehugo | o/ | 15:04 |
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| lhinds | hey gagehugo | 15:04 |
| redrobot | \o | 15:05 |
| lhinds | fungi will have his other meeting in parallel | 15:05 |
| lhinds | hey redrobot | 15:05 |
| lhinds | #startmeeting security | 15:05 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 28 15:05:31 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is lhinds. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:05 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: security)" | 15:05 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'security' | 15:05 |
| redrobot | hi y'all! | 15:05 |
| nickthetait | :) | 15:05 |
| lhinds | #chair gagehugo | 15:05 |
| openstack | Current chairs: gagehugo lhinds | 15:05 |
| lhinds | #topic agenda https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/security-agenda | 15:05 |
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| lhinds | any additions, please add.. | 15:06 |
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| fungi | yeah, i'm around, but also tc office hour (as usual) | 15:06 |
| lhinds | #topic bandit migration | 15:07 |
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| lhinds | just seen this from browne https://github.com/ericwb/bandit/commit/0f96218f55ac89af02d6b62f8d4a158d84b3f040 | 15:08 |
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| lhinds | i think we still need to see if another repo is required and how to manage entry points for the plugins (hosted in openstack) | 15:09 |
| lhinds | I recall saying I would look at this, so will add it as an action to me. | 15:09 |
| gagehugo | hmm | 15:10 |
| lhinds | after that we can clear bandit from the agenda, unless an openstack specific issue occurs | 15:10 |
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| lhinds | #topic OSSN | 15:11 |
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| lhinds | I think i need to apologise to nickthetait , I am still meant to sort out the patch that I reverted | 15:11 |
| lhinds | I have put an action for myself | 15:12 |
| nickthetait | *giggles* | 15:12 |
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| lhinds | sorry mate, will get that done (going to do it tomorrow) L:-/ | 15:12 |
| lhinds | any other OSSN stuff? | 15:13 |
| nickthetait | not from me | 15:13 |
| lhinds | cool. | 15:13 |
| lhinds | #topic docs | 15:13 |
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| lhinds | so I recently went to bump versions : | 15:14 |
| lhinds | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/578064/ | 15:14 |
| patchbot | patch 578064 - security-doc - Update versions | 15:14 |
| lhinds | andreas rightly put it down and I agree with him now | 15:14 |
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| lhinds | the security guide has falling prey of not being kept up to date | 15:15 |
| gagehugo | :( | 15:15 |
| lhinds | so I wanted to put it on the table here that we could do with some sort of sprint to go through it and check what needs updating | 15:15 |
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| lhinds | this will likely be stuff like key / values depreciated | 15:15 |
| lhinds | and perhaps new functionailty that has been release. | 15:16 |
| lhinds | *released | 15:16 |
| lhinds | so putting it out there to see if anyone is interested in heading up such an effort? | 15:16 |
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| gagehugo | I think the keystone guide was brought up as not-up to date somewhat recently | 15:16 |
| fungi | that reminds me, someone in #openstack-dev found https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Security/Guidelines#key_revocation and was either asking for help with it _or_ asking _to_ help with it (i couldn't figure out which) | 15:16 |
| gagehugo | keystone security guide* | 15:17 |
| lhinds | the individual could as an approach, check with each project on what their latest view is of security, and does the guide reflect that? | 15:17 |
| lhinds | gagehugo: yep I think a few projects are needing a docs refresh | 15:17 |
| gagehugo | looks like key_revocation page doesn't exist | 15:17 |
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| lhinds | ok, have a think about it all and let's see if we have savior by next meeting | 15:18 |
| lhinds | in the mean time I will send out an email to the list(s) | 15:18 |
| lhinds | seeing if anyone has an interest | 15:18 |
| lhinds | gagehugo: threat analysis , anything new there? | 15:19 |
| gagehugo | lhinds nope, it's still sitting on my todo list | 15:19 |
| lhinds | no worries, #topic PTG | 15:20 |
| lhinds | I always wondered if that would work ^ | 15:20 |
| lhinds | evidently not | 15:20 |
| lhinds | #topic PTG | 15:20 |
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| fungi | the meetbot needs # to appear as the first character in your comment | 15:20 |
| lhinds | Anyone got any insight on if they will be going | 15:21 |
| lhinds | ack, makes sense fungi | 15:21 |
| fungi | so even just prepending a space will cause it to ignore commands | 15:21 |
| fungi | i've seen people #startmeeting not noticing they typed a space before it, and then go an entire meeting not realizing they'd never actually started it | 15:21 |
| gagehugo | I will likely be there | 15:21 |
| fungi | i'll be at the ptg as usual, but split 6 or 7 ways | 15:22 |
| lhinds | I won't be able to make it myself , but we have a room in place. | 15:22 |
| lhinds | we can see what topics are present to gather for then | 15:22 |
| lhinds | we share with barbican, so if we are light, it won't be a waste of real estate | 15:23 |
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| lhinds | #topic Any other business? | 15:24 |
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| lhinds | nope :) | 15:25 |
| gagehugo | none from me | 15:25 |
| nickthetait | same | 15:25 |
| lhinds | ok, thanks all..same time next week! | 15:25 |
| lhinds | #endmeeting | 15:25 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 28 15:25:21 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:25 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2018/security.2018-06-28-15.05.html | 15:25 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2018/security.2018-06-28-15.05.txt | 15:25 |
| gagehugo | o/ | 15:25 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2018/security.2018-06-28-15.05.log.html | 15:25 |
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