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| eumel8 | #startmeeting OpenStack I18n Meeting | 07:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Apr 19 07:00:36 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is eumel8. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 07:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 07:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: OpenStack I18n Meeting)" | 07:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_i18n_meeting' | 07:00 |
| eumel8 | Good morning to the OpenStack I18n Meeting | 07:00 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, hello | 07:01 |
| ianychoi | I can be here for about 20 mins | 07:01 |
| eumel8 | ianychoi: hello! | 07:01 |
| eumel8 | ok :) | 07:01 |
| eumel8 | then fast move forward | 07:01 |
| ianychoi | +1 | 07:01 |
| eumel8 | #topic User Survey Translation | 07:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "User Survey Translation (Meeting topic: OpenStack I18n Meeting)" | 07:01 | |
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| eumel8 | #link https://www.openstack.org/user-survey/survey-2018/landing | 07:02 |
| eumel8 | I think you saw the request from Jimmy to translate User Survey 2018 | 07:02 |
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| eumel8 | some smaller issues in the translation strings but we have already good progress | 07:02 |
| ianychoi | Yep :) | 07:03 |
| eumel8 | from my understanding there is a direct sync from Zanata to the survey page | 07:03 |
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| ianychoi | yep a kind of cron job on user survey page server I think | 07:03 |
| eumel8 | yep, then we will see how it work out during the Summit | 07:04 |
| ianychoi | yep :) | 07:04 |
| eumel8 | saw also the announcement of Korean OpenInfra Days | 07:05 |
| eumel8 | I think there will be a lot of people, isn't it? | 07:05 |
| ianychoi | Yep.. I think me or Foundation staff would announce translated user survey | 07:06 |
| ianychoi | Korea UG expects ~800 ppl | 07:06 |
| eumel8 | wow | 07:06 |
| ianychoi | Ideally :) | 07:07 |
| ianychoi | The event venue can accommodate ~600 people for Keynote | 07:07 |
| eumel8 | unfortunatelly our internal company cloud event was canceled in May, so I have to think about my session "docs as code" | 07:07 |
| ianychoi | Aha.... I see | 07:08 |
| ianychoi | BTW do you have a good progress on building PDFs? | 07:08 |
| eumel8 | not tested the last days | 07:08 |
| ianychoi | That's fine :) | 07:09 |
| eumel8 | #topic Language Links in Api-guide | 07:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Language Links in Api-guide (Meeting topic: OpenStack I18n Meeting)" | 07:09 | |
| eumel8 | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/559996/ | 07:09 |
| ianychoi | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/562441 | 07:09 |
| eumel8 | ah, some progress over the night | 07:10 |
| ianychoi | I submitted a patch with another approach - hope that it would address the issue | 07:10 |
| eumel8 | brave contributor ;) | 07:10 |
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| ianychoi | I saw a meeting agenda today about 8 hrs ago and tried to address it | 07:10 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, without your sharing on meeting agenda, I might have forgot it | 07:11 |
| eumel8 | you want to change the publish dir | 07:12 |
| ianychoi | for translated api-quick-start | 07:12 |
| eumel8 | that seems to be correct | 07:12 |
| eumel8 | you want to merge? | 07:13 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, it would be great if you give +2 :) | 07:13 |
| ianychoi | But.. a new release of openstack-doc-tools & a new dummy patch on api-site are needed | 07:14 |
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| eumel8 | I do what I can | 07:14 |
| eumel8 | but don't know how a release is work out | 07:14 |
| ianychoi | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/535314/ | 07:15 |
| ianychoi | Just submitting a patch on openstack/release repo - that's what I know for official openstack projects | 07:15 |
| eumel8 | ah, ok, thx | 07:15 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, you can submit a patch on openstack/releases repo and share with Andreas and Docs PTL - but I heard yesterday that Docs PTL will be away for a few weeks | 07:16 |
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| eumel8 | ok | 07:17 |
| eumel8 | if I have time for the patch I will add some cores | 07:18 |
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| ianychoi | :) | 07:18 |
| eumel8 | but fromy my feeling they are already away ;) | 07:18 |
| ianychoi | Andreas would definitely help on it :) | 07:19 |
| eumel8 | maybe summer vacation. we expect 30 degrees today in Berlin | 07:19 |
| ianychoi | Andreas: "I'll take care of release of openstack-doc-tools | 07:19 |
| ianychoi | " :) | 07:19 |
| eumel8 | ok | 07:19 |
| eumel8 | #topic I18n Office Hours around the Summit | 07:19 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "I18n Office Hours around the Summit (Meeting topic: OpenStack I18n Meeting)" | 07:20 | |
| ianychoi | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-i18n/2018-April/003224.html | 07:20 |
| eumel8 | Office Hours: There is not so much progress this week and also the next one I'm busy | 07:21 |
| eumel8 | yes | 07:21 |
| ianychoi | Can we discuss it during Vancouver Summit? | 07:21 |
| eumel8 | ianychoi: what is latest time for you for an Office Hour? i.e. 08:30 UTC? | 07:22 |
| ianychoi | latest time is.. the timezone? | 07:23 |
| eumel8 | yes | 07:23 |
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| ianychoi | I am fine with most time slots except 16-7 UTC | 07:23 |
| eumel8 | I have also a lot of meetings in our morning so I have to arrange that with an Office Hour schedul | 07:24 |
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| eumel8 | ok 7 UTC latest, then we're nearly the normal meeting times | 07:24 |
| ianychoi | Aha.. note that the background why I suggested is to get more attention for I18n team. | 07:24 |
| ianychoi | It would be much nice if more translators, and operators would come and discuss anything | 07:25 |
| ianychoi | And also we can have meetings during office hours | 07:25 |
| eumel8 | ok | 07:26 |
| ianychoi | Usually, I18n meeting has focused on upstream translation and better infra changes for translating - I still think it is key on I18n team, but there have not been much feedback from translation results | 07:27 |
| ianychoi | We can discuss later if you are busy, and I think surveying time slots might be also a good idea. | 07:27 |
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| eumel8 | ok, thx | 07:30 |
| eumel8 | I have a parallel call | 07:30 |
| ianychoi | #topic Open Discussion | 07:30 |
| ianychoi | Ah I am not a chair | 07:31 |
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| ianychoi | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2018/docteam.2018-04-18-16.02.html | 07:31 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, FYI for preparing project update and onboarding sessions | 07:32 |
| ianychoi | I need to leave... see you and thanks a lot for today meeting!! | 07:32 |
| eumel8 | thx ianychoi | 07:32 |
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| eumel8 | #topic Open Discussion | 07:37 |
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| eumel8 | #endmeeting | 07:46 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 07:46 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Apr 19 07:46:40 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 07:46 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2018/openstack_i18n_meeting.2018-04-19-07.00.html | 07:46 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2018/openstack_i18n_meeting.2018-04-19-07.00.txt | 07:46 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2018/openstack_i18n_meeting.2018-04-19-07.00.log.html | 07:46 |
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| melwitt | #startmeeting nova | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Apr 19 14:00:10 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is melwitt. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova' | 14:00 |
| mriedem | o/ | 14:00 |
| dansmith | o/ | 14:00 |
| gibi | o/ | 14:00 |
| takashin | o/ | 14:00 |
| melwitt | hi everybody | 14:00 |
| melwitt | #topic Release News | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Release News (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:00 | |
| melwitt | #link Rocky release schedule: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/Rocky_Release_Schedule | 14:01 |
| bauzas | \o | 14:01 |
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| melwitt | today is the first milestone r-1 and we're going to be doing releases for stable branches too as we've had a lot of fixes land there | 14:01 |
| efried | ō/ | 14:01 |
| melwitt | we're also going to do a novaclient and osc-placement release | 14:01 |
| melwitt | thanks to all who've been working on stable branch reviews. please continue helping today as I'll be proposing the release patches by EOD today | 14:02 |
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| melwitt | #link Rocky review runways: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nova-runways-rocky | 14:03 |
| melwitt | #link runway #1: Add request_id to instance action notifications [END DATE: 2018-05-01] https://review.openstack.org/#/c/553288 | 14:03 |
| melwitt | #link runway #2: PowerVM Driver [END DATE: 2018-04-30] series starting at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/526094 | 14:03 |
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| melwitt | #link runway #3: Consoles database backend [END DATE: 2018-05-01] series starting at https://review.openstack.org/325381 | 14:03 |
| gibi | the solution for runway #1 is on the gate as we speak | 14:03 |
| melwitt | we moved the z/VM blueprint out of the runway early, please see the Log area of the etherpad for details. there's a ML thread about it | 14:03 |
| jaypipes | o/ | 14:03 |
| melwitt | gibi: a-ha, nice | 14:03 |
| edleafe | \o | 14:04 |
| melwitt | the forbidden traits blueprint was merged within 2 days of being added to a runway | 14:04 |
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| melwitt | does anyone have anything else for release news? | 14:05 |
| efried | . | 14:05 |
| efried | I was gonna bring up a runway suggestion. | 14:05 |
| efried | It may not be necessary, if we're getting good movement as is | 14:06 |
| efried | but the idea was: to assign a "champion" to each runway. Could be core, could be not, but shouldn't be the series owner. The champion is responsible for pestering cores for reviews and owners for followups. | 14:06 |
| cdent | -1. seems to assume cores and owners can't be trusted (or required) to have self-discipline | 14:07 |
| efried | Seems like it's not needed right now, but perhaps something to keep in the back of our minds as we move forward and the runway concept loses some of its shiny. | 14:07 |
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| efried | ack. No need to discuss further, just wanted to get it off my brain and make room for other stuff. | 14:08 |
| efried | moving on. | 14:08 |
| melwitt | okay, we'll keep that in mind then. I hadn't been thinking of having additional pestering going on for runways so far | 14:09 |
| mriedem | as for runways | 14:09 |
| mriedem | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/553288/ - was just approved, but | 14:09 |
| mriedem | in case we care to pull it out, i know Kevin_Zheng said he was heading out | 14:09 |
| mriedem | pull it out of the gate i mean | 14:10 |
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| gibi | mriedem: can we add the unit test in a followup? | 14:11 |
| melwitt | okay. is it missing test coverage, should we just ask Kevin_Zheng for a follow on patch or? | 14:11 |
| mriedem | follow up for the unit test is fine, i care more about the ugly method sig | 14:11 |
| mriedem | which i guess can also be refactored in a follow up? | 14:12 |
| mriedem | if so, then carry on | 14:12 |
| gibi | mriedem, melwitt: I OK to ask for a followup | 14:12 |
| mriedem | ok | 14:12 |
| melwitt | for that maybe we should pull it from the gate because that goes along with a object version bump | 14:12 |
| mriedem | oh...yeah... | 14:12 |
| melwitt | or does it not affect that? | 14:12 |
| mriedem | i believe it does | 14:13 |
| mriedem | the hash is based on the signatures | 14:13 |
| mriedem | dansmith: right? | 14:13 |
| arvindn0_ | i thought only on field signatures | 14:13 |
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| mriedem | no the hash is fields and methods | 14:13 |
| dansmith | it hashes remotable method signatures yeah | 14:13 |
| efried | The object signature doesn't change. | 14:13 |
| gibi | __init__ is not remotable | 14:13 |
| dansmith | if it's remotable then it'll matter, but not if it's just a regular method | 14:13 |
| efried | ^ | 14:13 |
| efried | The arg is just in the init signature | 14:14 |
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| efried | the object's request_id is being set from the contents of the context param in the init. | 14:14 |
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| efried | So that's copacetic, right? | 14:14 |
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| melwitt | I dunno, I'd tend to pull it out of the gate to refactor all of those. when I suggested followup I was thinking of just the missing unit test | 14:14 |
| mriedem | what if i just pull it, fix it myself so kevin doesn't have to stay up for this, and then bug gibi and efried once it's ready | 14:14 |
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| melwitt | that sounds like a good plan to me | 14:15 |
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| gibi | mriedem: let's do that | 14:15 |
| efried | mriedem: ++ | 14:15 |
| mriedem | done | 14:15 |
| mriedem | thanks | 14:15 |
| mriedem | sorry for the distraction | 14:15 |
| melwitt | cool. no worries | 14:15 |
| melwitt | anything else on release news or runways? | 14:15 |
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| melwitt | #topic Bugs (stuck/critical) | 14:16 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bugs (stuck/critical) (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:16 | |
| melwitt | no critical bugs in the query | 14:16 |
| melwitt | #link 35 new untriaged bugs (up 3 since the last meeting): https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?search=Search&field.status=New | 14:16 |
| melwitt | untriaged bug count is creeping up, we need to do some more triage | 14:16 |
| melwitt | #link 9 untagged untriaged bugs: https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?field.tag=-*&field.status%3Alist=NEW | 14:17 |
| melwitt | #link bug triage how-to: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/BugTriage#Tags | 14:17 |
| melwitt | that page has a good how-to guide on triage ^ | 14:17 |
| melwitt | Gate status | 14:17 |
| melwitt | #link check queue gate status http://status.openstack.org/elastic-recheck/index.html | 14:17 |
| melwitt | gate has seemed relatively smooth lately | 14:17 |
| bauzas | melwitt: we need more triagers, that's what we need | 14:17 |
| mriedem | i've got a request for ci | 14:17 |
| mriedem | i'd like to see the nova-multiattach job be voting again https://review.openstack.org/#/c/554317/ | 14:18 |
| bauzas | melwitt: because I won't able to review bugs for like the two next milestones | 14:18 |
| mriedem | so it doesn't regress | 14:18 |
| mriedem | bauzas: i've already started a 3D print job for a new triager | 14:18 |
| mriedem | should be ready in a few hours | 14:18 |
| melwitt | heh | 14:18 |
| melwitt | yeah, we could use help from more people to triage bugs | 14:18 |
| melwitt | and yes, also would be good to get the nova-multiattach job voting again. just needs one more +2 | 14:19 |
| melwitt | 3rd party CI | 14:19 |
| mriedem | i'll do some triage after fixing up kevin's patch | 14:19 |
| bauzas | mriedem: we need robots | 14:19 |
| melwitt | thanks mriedem | 14:19 |
| bauzas | mriedem: with 3 laws of Asimov | 14:20 |
| melwitt | #link 3rd party CI status http://ci-watch.tintri.com/project?project=nova&time=7+days | 14:20 |
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| bauzas | melwitt: mriedem: +Wd for multiattach job | 14:20 |
| mriedem | thanks | 14:20 |
| melwitt | anything else for bugs or gate status or CI? | 14:20 |
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| melwitt | #topic Reminders | 14:21 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Reminders (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:21 | |
| melwitt | #link Rocky Review Priorities https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/rocky-nova-priorities-tracking | 14:21 |
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| melwitt | find and add subteam and bug reviews here to get more visibility ^ | 14:22 |
| melwitt | I posted nova-related forum topic links to the ML http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2018-April/129488.html | 14:22 |
| melwitt | that have been proposed | 14:23 |
| melwitt | just FYI | 14:23 |
| melwitt | does anyone have anything else for reminders? | 14:23 |
| melwitt | #topic Stable branch status | 14:24 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Stable branch status (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:24 | |
| melwitt | #link stable/queens: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:stable/queens,n,z | 14:24 |
| mriedem | once that one change merges we can release | 14:24 |
| melwitt | nice, good progress on reviews for queens | 14:24 |
| melwitt | sweet | 14:24 |
| bauzas | I'm on pike as of now | 14:24 |
| melwitt | #link stable/pike: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:stable/pike,n,z | 14:24 |
| melwitt | cool bauzas | 14:24 |
| efried | sounds painful | 14:25 |
| melwitt | #link stable/ocata: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:stable/ocata,n,z | 14:25 |
| edleafe | efried: you're on a roll today | 14:25 |
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| melwitt | ocata looks pretty good. need another person for some reviews that were posted by lyarwood | 14:25 |
| melwitt | thanks for all of the reviews on stable | 14:26 |
| melwitt | anything else for stable branch status? | 14:26 |
| melwitt | #topic Subteam Highlights | 14:27 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Subteam Highlights (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:27 | |
| bauzas | just one note, folks, please keep in mind when you review a stable patch to check whether all the libs and calls to other modules are supporting what's called | 14:27 |
| melwitt | dansmith: cells v2, we skipped the meeting. anything else you'd like to highlight? | 14:27 |
| dansmith | melwitt: nope | 14:27 |
| melwitt | yup, that's a good reminder bauzas. I especially find that's true related to os-brick | 14:28 |
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| melwitt | edleafe: scheduler? | 14:28 |
| edleafe | Agreed that the granular request work should be added to the Main Themes section of the weekly placement update. | 14:28 |
| edleafe | cdent agreed to create a spec for forbidden traits syntax to keep the Nova gods happy even though most felt it wasn't needed and would take longer than implementing would. | 14:28 |
| edleafe | We agreed that listing all the ongoing reviews as links in the meeting really isn't necessary, and would be replaced by a single link to the most recent placement update email. | 14:28 |
| edleafe | edleafe and efried snickered at mriedem's getting 8 inches of snow last weekend, while we enjoyed the warm Texas spring. | 14:28 |
| edleafe | that's it | 14:29 |
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| bauzas | 8 inches of snow is meaningless if you can't ski them | 14:29 |
| efried | Update on forbidden trait syntax in flavors | 14:29 |
| edleafe | bauzas: on the Mountains of Minnesota? :) | 14:29 |
| efried | cdent made a specless bp, which was approved, and the code was merged, so it's closed out. | 14:29 |
| jaypipes | edleafe: worst movie ever. | 14:29 |
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| edleafe | jaypipes: shortest one, too | 14:30 |
| mriedem | fwiw, | 14:30 |
| melwitt | efried: so no spec needed after all or? | 14:30 |
| mriedem | nova using forbidden traits in extra specs could have just been lumped in with the other bp for adding forbidden trait support in placement, | 14:30 |
| cdent | there was overlap of instruction on that stuff | 14:30 |
| efried | melwitt: The paragraph in the bp was sufficient. | 14:30 |
| melwitt | just making sure I understand the status | 14:30 |
| mriedem | like alex's bp for traits during scheduling in queens | 14:30 |
| cdent | i had already made a blueprint when eric asked for a spec update | 14:31 |
| efried | cdent also made a slight update to the original spec to indicate where we landed on that. | 14:31 |
| melwitt | k | 14:31 |
| efried | I believe both bps are closed at this point. | 14:31 |
| cdent | yes | 14:31 |
| melwitt | okay, cool | 14:31 |
| melwitt | gibi: notification subteam? | 14:31 |
| gibi | sure | 14:31 |
| gibi | I'm back so we have a fresh status mail | 14:32 |
| gibi | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2018-April/129398.html | 14:32 |
| gibi | with couple of new bugs to look at | 14:32 |
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| gibi | on the meeting we agreed to ask for a spec amendment of the 'Add trusted_image_certificates to REST API' feature to include the certificate id to the notifications | 14:33 |
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| gibi | and then a followup patch as well | 14:33 |
| mriedem | jackie-truong: ^ | 14:33 |
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| gibi | to help the future spec authors I proposed a spec template update describing what to consider for notifications | 14:34 |
| gibi | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/562265/ | 14:34 |
| melwitt | ah, that sounds like a good idea | 14:34 |
| gibi | mriedem filed a bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1763051 | 14:35 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1763051 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "Need to audit when notifications are sent during live migration" [Medium,Triaged] | 14:35 |
| jackie-truong | gibi: Thanks, we'll work on a spec amendment | 14:35 |
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| gibi | jackie-truong: ping me if you need help | 14:35 |
| jackie-truong | gibi: Absolutely, will do | 14:35 |
| gibi | and I filed a backlog bp to cover in general the problem that some of the start / end notifications are not at the start or end of the ection | 14:35 |
| gibi | *action | 14:35 |
| gibi | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/emit-start-end-versioned-notifications-to-the-start-and-end-of-the-given-action | 14:36 |
| gibi | note that this bp does not intended for Rocky | 14:36 |
| gibi | that is all | 14:36 |
| melwitt | cool | 14:36 |
| melwitt | does anything have anything else for subteam highlights? | 14:37 |
| melwitt | *anyone | 14:37 |
| melwitt | #topic Stuck Reviews | 14:37 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Stuck Reviews (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:37 | |
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| melwitt | we have one in the agenda | 14:37 |
| melwitt | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/486204/ | 14:37 |
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| melwitt | Contention over the need for a certificate validation policy rule | 14:37 |
| melwitt | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2018-April/129494.html | 14:37 |
| dansmith | is that really stuck? | 14:38 |
| melwitt | jackie-truong: did you want to explain that a bit? | 14:38 |
| jackie-truong | I added that to the stuck reviews because we don't know how to move forward | 14:38 |
| dansmith | that's not what this section is for :) | 14:39 |
| jackie-truong | mriedem started a thread suggesting that we add a policy rule for cert validation | 14:39 |
| jackie-truong | A couple of responses suggested that we don't need to do that, and a couple of responses suggested that we do | 14:39 |
| dansmith | I think everyone is fine with a policy knob no? | 14:40 |
| jackie-truong | We viewed this as "there is some disagreement that needs resolving" | 14:40 |
| jackie-truong | jaypipes and Chris Friesen didn't see the need for it | 14:40 |
| jackie-truong | But I suppose they didn't flat out say no | 14:40 |
| dansmith | I don't think they said no to the policy knob | 14:41 |
| dansmith | and I think jaypipes at least misunderstood what mriedem was saying | 14:41 |
| jackie-truong | Okay, sorry for the misunderstanding | 14:41 |
| jackie-truong | We'll work on a new patch to add a policy rule for cert validation | 14:41 |
| dansmith | melwitt: moving on? | 14:43 |
| melwitt | okay, I think I didn't see how the thread was discussing the policy rule thing except for the first post | 14:43 |
| melwitt | (reading through it again) | 14:43 |
| dansmith | because it's not contentious I think :) | 14:43 |
| melwitt | okay, so we'll have the policy rule in addition to the fail messages if BFV? | 14:44 |
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| dansmith | yeah | 14:45 |
| melwitt | just so it can be turned off by operators if their config doesn't support it? okay, cool | 14:45 |
| dansmith | or if they don't want you using it | 14:45 |
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| melwitt | yeah | 14:45 |
| melwitt | okay, anything else for stuck reviews? | 14:45 |
| melwitt | #topic Open discussion | 14:45 |
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| melwitt | one agenda item | 14:46 |
| melwitt | (mriedem): specless blueprint https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/hide-hypervisor-id-flavor-extra-spec | 14:46 |
| melwitt | This is just making the 'img_hide_hypervisor_id' image property also work using flavor extra specs. | 14:46 |
| mriedem | just parity, simple, i'm +1 on the change | 14:46 |
| melwitt | me too, +1 | 14:46 |
| bauzas | I have another item | 14:47 |
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| arvindn0_ | wanted to discuss https://review.openstack.org/#/c/560718/ - Handle rebuild of instance with new image, because it seems like there is a lot of history with rebuild and where placement comes into play | 14:47 |
| bauzas | (forgot to add it to the agenda) | 14:47 |
| melwitt | okay, hang on | 14:47 |
| melwitt | so we have two +1 to approving the feature parity spec, any other votes? | 14:47 |
| bauzas | +1 for specless BP | 14:47 |
| melwitt | okay, no one in opposition, so we'll approve that | 14:48 |
| gibi | +1 too for the flavor extra_spec addition | 14:48 |
| bauzas | (even if I don't like hiding KVM for business reasons :p ) | 14:48 |
| melwitt | bauzas: what is your item? | 14:48 |
| bauzas | arvindn0_ has one thing fiesrt | 14:48 |
| arvindn0_ | ty bauzas | 14:48 |
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| melwitt | go ahead arvindn0_ | 14:49 |
| arvindn0_ | wanted to discuss the rebuilding of servers and when placement comes into play | 14:49 |
| bauzas | we had a chat with arvindn0_ yesterday | 14:50 |
| bauzas | I gave him the context we discussed at the PTG | 14:50 |
| arvindn0_ | currently for a rebuild, placement is not called because of bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1750623 | 14:50 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1750623 in OpenStack Compute (nova) pike "rebuild to same host with different image shouldn't check with placement" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to Lee Yarwood (lyarwood) | 14:50 |
| bauzas | basically about rebuilds having tech debt | 14:50 |
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| arvindn0_ | since we are adding traits to images, incase the image/image traits changes, we want to call placement | 14:51 |
| melwitt | yeah, I would think you would have to call placement if image traits are involved | 14:51 |
| arvindn0_ | but there are differing opinions...i think last comment from alex suggested we just reject rebuild when image changes along with its metadata | 14:52 |
| mriedem | i'm -1 on that | 14:52 |
| melwitt | I would be -1 on that too | 14:52 |
| dansmith | personally, I don't think this is something we need to hold everyone on the team captive to discyss | 14:52 |
| bauzas | I think we are creating problems | 14:52 |
| mriedem | if we did that, the user can rebuild with certain images but not others, which is bad UX | 14:52 |
| dansmith | it's been discussed in the nova channel, and will continue to be, | 14:52 |
| bauzas | zactly that | 14:52 |
| dansmith | but it's a subset of people, IMHO | 14:52 |
| mriedem | i said i'd go back over the spec again today which i will, later | 14:53 |
| mriedem | we agreed earlier to call placement, but were bikeshedding on implementation details | 14:53 |
| bauzas | mriedem: we also have the fact we set the target before calling the scheduler | 14:53 |
| bauzas | mriedem: I'd like that to be fixed *before* we'd do any further check | 14:53 |
| mriedem | i don't know what that has to do with this, | 14:53 |
| mriedem | but let's move the discussion | 14:54 |
| melwitt | okay, let's convene on the spec to make our comments | 14:54 |
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| arvindn0_ | cool...thanks | 14:54 |
| melwitt | bauzas: did you have a thing for open discussion? | 14:54 |
| bauzas | yup | 14:54 |
| arvindn0_ | rebuild seems to be a touchy, complicated topic :) | 14:54 |
| bauzas | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/557065/ was spec'd | 14:55 |
| mriedem | arvindn0_: the first rule of rebuild is you don't talk about rebuild | 14:55 |
| jaypipes | arvindn0_: one of many such topics. | 14:55 |
| bauzas | because I was proposing a new conf opt | 14:55 |
| bauzas | after a few comments, looks like the consensus is just to either A/ don't do anything and leave people create things first out of nova or B/ write something which is not a conf opt, but rather an external descriptor, like a YAML file | 14:56 |
| bauzas | both A/ and B/ don't really look specy to me | 14:56 |
| bauzas | specky* | 14:56 |
| edleafe | spec-y | 14:56 |
| edleafe | :) | 14:56 |
| mriedem | ha, i like how you're correcting spelling for something that's not a word | 14:56 |
| edleafe | mriedem: exactly | 14:57 |
| bauzas | call my French | 14:57 |
| bauzas | anyway | 14:57 |
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| bauzas | worth considering that an implementation detail and abandon the spec ? | 14:57 |
| melwitt | if there's a YAML file, wouldn't the format of that be documented in the spec or? | 14:57 |
| bauzas | I think we can leave that for the implementation, but that's my opinion | 14:58 |
| bauzas | having code to show up would help | 14:58 |
| mriedem | if we're going to start adding new yaml file things for stuff, i'd like to see a design written up for that | 14:58 |
| mriedem | personaly | 14:58 |
| melwitt | me too | 14:58 |
| mriedem | *personally | 14:58 |
| mriedem | :) | 14:58 |
| bauzas | personnall-y ? | 14:59 |
| melwitt | for things like the metadata response format, old specs are the only place it's documented | 14:59 |
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| bauzas | okay, I'll consider that | 14:59 |
| bauzas | jaypipes had a spec up for a YAML descriptor file | 14:59 |
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| melwitt | so, in those cases people are glad they exist else there's no decent way for them to see how the format is supposed to be | 14:59 |
| bauzas | but let's punt of the meeting | 14:59 |
| bauzas | we're late | 14:59 |
| mriedem | 10 seconds... | 14:59 |
| melwitt | yeah, we have to end now | 15:00 |
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| melwitt | #endmeeting | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Apr 19 15:00:05 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2018/nova.2018-04-19-14.00.html | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2018/nova.2018-04-19-14.00.txt | 15:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2018/nova.2018-04-19-14.00.log.html | 15:00 |
| bauzas | thanks | 15:00 |
| lhinds | #startmeeting Security Sig | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Apr 19 15:00:26 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is lhinds. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Security Sig)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'security_sig' | 15:00 |
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| gagehugo | o/ | 15:00 |
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| gagehugo | hey lhinds | 15:00 |
| lhinds | pings: eeiden fungi gagehugo lhinds nickthetait ebrown | 15:00 |
| lhinds | hey gagehugo ! | 15:00 |
| lhinds | I think fungi is on leave today or out and about | 15:01 |
| nickthetait | heyo | 15:01 |
| browne | o/ | 15:01 |
| lhinds | hey nickthetait ! | 15:01 |
| eeiden | o/ | 15:01 |
| lhinds | hey browne | 15:01 |
| browne | Sorry for missing previous meetings. Didn't realize the time changed | 15:01 |
| lhinds | forgot you don't have an e at the front of browne | 15:01 |
| browne | no worries | 15:01 |
| lhinds | browne: no worries, understandable | 15:01 |
| lkwan | is here the telemetry meeting? | 15:01 |
| lhinds | lkwan: nope, security | 15:01 |
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| lhinds | ok, let's get this party started.. | 15:02 |
| lhinds | #topic agenda | 15:02 |
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| lhinds | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/security-agenda | 15:02 |
| lhinds | #chair gagehugo | 15:02 |
| openstack | Current chairs: gagehugo lhinds | 15:02 |
| lhinds | anyone have any additions? I put bandit migration to the top. | 15:02 |
| lhinds | ok.. | 15:03 |
| gagehugo | I saw browne pushed a change for that | 15:03 |
| lhinds | #topic Bandit Migration | 15:03 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to "Bandit Migration (Meeting topic: Security Sig)" | 15:03 | |
| lhinds | gagehugo: that was just for the new pypi site. | 15:03 |
| gagehugo | ah ok | 15:03 |
| lhinds | not the move to pycqa | 15:03 |
| lhinds | I though it was that too :) | 15:04 |
| gagehugo | heh | 15:04 |
| takashin | python-novaclient stable maintainers for pike, would you review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/562500/ ? This patch fixes pike gate job failure. | 15:04 |
| lhinds | so I think we should be good to make the move next week | 15:04 |
| lhinds | takashin: please try #openstack-nova | 15:04 |
| browne | I think we need to start by sending an email to the ML announcing bandit's migration | 15:04 |
| lhinds | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/bandit-migration | 15:04 |
| takashin | lhinds: sorry. | 15:04 |
| lhinds | browne: just did that 10 mins ago. | 15:04 |
| lhinds | :) | 15:04 |
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| browne | oh cool | 15:05 |
| lhinds | browne / gagehugo did you both get pycqa org invites? | 15:05 |
| browne | i did yes | 15:05 |
| gagehugo | yup | 15:05 |
| lhinds | great. | 15:05 |
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| browne | so who has admin on the github openstack/bandit | 15:05 |
| gagehugo | good question | 15:06 |
| browne | still wondering how the github project group changes from openstack to pyqca | 15:06 |
| lhinds | ok.. | 15:06 |
| lhinds | so here is how it will work | 15:06 |
| lhinds | I will do the import from review.openstack.org/bandit.git to github.com/pycqa/bandit | 15:07 |
| lhinds | github has an import feature that automates this, I already did a test run and it works very well. | 15:07 |
| lhinds | after that is done, we will push a patch to the openstack (gerrit based) repo to 'git rm' all files, apart from the readme | 15:08 |
| lhinds | the readme will then tell users where to go to contribute or raise issues (which will be on github/pycqa/bandit) | 15:08 |
| lhinds | if you check out the etherpad I am compiling the specific steps. | 15:08 |
| gagehugo | ah ok | 15:09 |
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| lhinds | I have spoke with fungi a lot and we don't need to do anything else in regards to patches, as all projects use tox / pypi, and pycqa will continue using pypi to release | 15:09 |
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| lhinds | I just need to check with ian around pypi account maters (for sdist upload / twine operations) | 15:09 |
| lhinds | and also... | 15:09 |
| browne | but unit testing will switch from zuul to travis CI or something | 15:10 |
| lhinds | how will bandit/docs/*.rst get hosted on readthedocs. | 15:10 |
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| lhinds | browne: was just typing out how I need to work that out with ian too :) | 15:10 |
| lhinds | good call! | 15:10 |
| lhinds | I think it will be travis-ci | 15:11 |
| lhinds | as that's what the other projects are working on. | 15:11 |
| browne | cool, i like travis-ci | 15:11 |
| nickthetait | appears as though the use travis and appveyor | 15:11 |
| lhinds | my recommendation is that we hold off on any pull requests until we get a .travis file in place. | 15:11 |
| browne | yep | 15:12 |
| lhinds | I am happy to make a PR with a .travis and we can review from there. | 15:12 |
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| browne | I should also add that functional testing on bandit no longer works. It previously did | 15:12 |
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| browne | so much of the plugin testing isn't happening, which is bad | 15:12 |
| nickthetait | is there an open issue for that? | 15:13 |
| lhinds | browne: we could do some functional tests in bandit | 15:13 |
| browne | hmm, i'll poen one | 15:13 |
| browne | open | 15:13 |
| gagehugo | sounds good | 15:13 |
| lhinds | browne: as long as they have an failure exit code that travis will pick up. | 15:13 |
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| lhinds | I also need to work out how this redirect is happening: https://bandit.readthedocs.io/en/latest/ | 15:14 |
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| lhinds | or rather how has upload rights | 15:14 |
| lhinds | (its not a redirect) | 15:14 |
| lhinds | any idea browne ? | 15:14 |
| browne | ha, didn't know of that link. strange | 15:15 |
| browne | but normally on github, with admin you can setup readthedocs | 15:15 |
| lhinds | actually it might be in bandits sphinx config | 15:15 |
| lhinds | that's where you set the theme | 15:15 |
| lhinds | I bet they are using the openstack theme | 15:15 |
| browne | i also think we'll need the PyPI user/password from one of the former cores (Travis, etc) | 15:16 |
| lhinds | and we just need to change to this one: https://pycodestyle.readthedocs.io/en/latest/ | 15:16 |
| lhinds | browne: yep. I am touch with travis and ian so I can get in touch with them. | 15:16 |
| lhinds | browne: I guess you will be handling releases? | 15:16 |
| lhinds | or at least heading them up initially, with back fill from others? | 15:17 |
| browne | lhinds: sure i can handle releases | 15:17 |
| lhinds | browne: cool | 15:17 |
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| browne | but we should have backups | 15:17 |
| lhinds | browne: +1 | 15:17 |
| lhinds | ok, anything else on bandit migration..I will make sure all of the above is captured | 15:18 |
| browne | sounds good. | 15:19 |
| lhinds | ok, not sure if mr tatu is here. | 15:19 |
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| lhinds | nothing new for docs, let's go to nickthetait 's OSSN | 15:19 |
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| lhinds | thanks nickthetait ! | 15:19 |
| nickthetait | :) | 15:20 |
| lhinds | It looks good to me, once another core +2's I will send out an email to the lists and make a wiki entry (both will credit you). | 15:20 |
| lhinds | gagehugo: do you have +2 on security docs? | 15:20 |
| gagehugo | lhinds nah | 15:20 |
| lhinds | k, I will ask the docs ptl to add you, if that's ok by you? | 15:21 |
| gagehugo | lhinds sure | 15:21 |
| gagehugo | nickthetait I have an email to review that, I'll do it today | 15:21 |
| lhinds | great! | 15:21 |
| lhinds | gagehugo: if you +1 that's good enough for me to do mergies | 15:21 |
| nickthetait | thx gagehugo | 15:21 |
| gagehugo | lhinds sounds good | 15:21 |
| nickthetait | +1 means "this change is ok by me", but +2 means what? | 15:21 |
| lhinds | nickthetait: +2 is like extra powers that allow you to merge the change | 15:22 |
| nickthetait | ok | 15:22 |
| gagehugo | double ok by me | 15:22 |
| lhinds | 'core reviewer' | 15:22 |
| lhinds | ok | 15:22 |
| lhinds | thanks again nickthetait | 15:22 |
| lhinds | great to have you on board | 15:23 |
| lhinds | #topic threat analysis | 15:23 |
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| nickthetait | if any other OSSNs were to be confirmed I might take a crack at them too ;) | 15:23 |
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| lhinds | nickthetait: sounds great! | 15:23 |
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| lhinds | gagehugo: I am little out of touch here, anything needed for TA? | 15:23 |
| lhinds | is the keystone-middlewareclient ok now? | 15:23 |
| gagehugo | lhinds I believe it's good | 15:24 |
| lhinds | oh I see it 'Approved' | 15:24 |
| gagehugo | the tag was added | 15:24 |
| lhinds | so oslo and pycadf | 15:24 |
| gagehugo | not sure if anything else is needed but I don't believe so | 15:24 |
| lhinds | I will take an action to look at those | 15:24 |
| gagehugo | lhinds yeah I need to look through those | 15:24 |
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| lhinds | #action lhinds look at pycadf / oslo.cache TA | 15:24 |
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| lhinds | great! | 15:25 |
| lhinds | ok, the other one to get in before the end. | 15:25 |
| lhinds | #topic chair rotation | 15:25 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "chair rotation (Meeting topic: Security Sig)" | 15:25 | |
| lhinds | so been meaning to sort this out for a while | 15:25 |
| lhinds | the current SIG chairs are lhinds and gagehugo | 15:25 |
| lhinds | and we planned to have a rotation on chairing meetings. | 15:25 |
| lhinds | I thought we should put it open to the sig. | 15:26 |
| lhinds | gagehugo: any preferences, every month / week / 2 months? | 15:26 |
| gagehugo | lhinds month would be good for me | 15:26 |
| lhinds | i think each week is to frequent | 15:26 |
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| gagehugo | agreed | 15:26 |
| nickthetait | month seems reasonable | 15:27 |
| lhinds | let's do that then | 15:27 |
| gagehugo | 2 months and I'm liable to forget | 15:27 |
| lhinds | so this would mean you take on May | 15:27 |
| lhinds | I will wrap up April | 15:27 |
| lhinds | sounds good gagehugo ? | 15:27 |
| gagehugo | lhinds works for me | 15:27 |
| gagehugo | maybe we can put this down on a schedule somewhere? | 15:28 |
| gagehugo | like the agenda | 15:28 |
| lhinds | gagehugo: will do | 15:28 |
| lhinds | #action lhinds to update wiki about chair rotation information | 15:28 |
| lhinds | k, let's end this now, as ian is over in openstack-security | 15:28 |
| lhinds | gagehugo / browne | 15:28 |
| lhinds | can we meet in there now / after this to go over the Q's we had? | 15:29 |
| gagehugo | sure | 15:29 |
| lhinds | thanks all! | 15:29 |
| browne | sure | 15:29 |
| lhinds | #endmeeting | 15:29 |
| nickthetait | bye | 15:29 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Apr 19 15:29:16 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:29 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security_sig/2018/security_sig.2018-04-19-15.00.html | 15:29 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security_sig/2018/security_sig.2018-04-19-15.00.txt | 15:29 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security_sig/2018/security_sig.2018-04-19-15.00.log.html | 15:29 |
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