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| diablo_rojo | #startmeeting fc_sig | 08:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 28 08:00:15 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is diablo_rojo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 08:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 08:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: fc_sig)" | 08:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'fc_sig' | 08:00 |
| cmurphy | hello | 08:00 |
| diablo_rojo | Hello cmurphy :) | 08:00 |
| diablo_rojo | I 100% forgot to email a reminder about the meeting today so we will see who else shows up. | 08:00 |
| mattoliverau | o/ | 08:01 |
| diablo_rojo | gmann, mattoliverau around? | 08:01 |
| mattoliverau | haha beat you | 08:01 |
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| diablo_rojo | I also only remembered I had to run this 20 min ago when I was headed to bed lol | 08:01 |
| diablo_rojo | But I remembered! | 08:01 |
| mattoliverau | that's the important thing! | 08:01 |
| diablo_rojo | True :) | 08:01 |
| cmurphy | I managed to look at my calendar this morning, for which I'm very impressed with myself | 08:01 |
| mattoliverau | cmurphy: wow, nice work ;) | 08:02 |
| cmurphy | ikr | 08:02 |
| diablo_rojo | cmurphy, you and I are just killing it at the clutch play | 08:02 |
| cmurphy | hi5 | 08:02 |
| * mattoliverau notes that actually is a feat knowing the suse canendaring system :P | 08:02 | |
| cmurphy | mattoliverau: i actually figured out how to export my groupwise calendar to my gmail calendar | 08:02 |
| cmurphy | (i've since forgotten how i did that so don't ask) | 08:03 |
| mattoliverau | ahh, smart.. I just use gmail for everything upstream | 08:03 |
| diablo_rojo | We'll give gmann_ another few minutes to show up and see if any newcomers want to join the party before getting started. | 08:03 |
| gmann_ | diablo_rojo: hi | 08:03 |
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| diablo_rojo | mattoliverau, same and I set all my meetings for the Iceland Timezone so they match UTC | 08:03 |
| gmann_ | sorry i was in internal meeting | 08:03 |
| diablo_rojo | Oh hello gmann_ :) | 08:03 |
| diablo_rojo | No worries | 08:04 |
| diablo_rojo | Still just chatting. | 08:04 |
| cmurphy | gmail actually has a UTC option now | 08:04 |
| mattoliverau | oh you don't need that anymore.. google calendar finally has a UTC option! | 08:04 |
| diablo_rojo | cmurphy, WUT | 08:04 |
| diablo_rojo | Since when? | 08:04 |
| cmurphy | it is very exciting | 08:04 |
| mattoliverau | I figured it out when adding the FC SIG meeting | 08:04 |
| cmurphy | since pretty recently i think | 08:04 |
| diablo_rojo | Oh man. Sounds like I get to play calendar cleanup tomorrow. | 08:04 |
| mattoliverau | well not really, because Iceland is still always UTC | 08:05 |
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| diablo_rojo | I suppose. | 08:05 |
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| diablo_rojo | Well, since the usual suspects are here- should we get started? | 08:06 |
| mattoliverau | yup | 08:06 |
| diablo_rojo | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/First_Contact_SIG#Meeting_Agenda Agenda! | 08:06 |
| diablo_rojo | #topic New Contributor Patches | 08:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "New Contributor Patches (Meeting topic: fc_sig)" | 08:06 | |
| diablo_rojo | Did everyone do their homework? | 08:06 |
| mattoliverau | I did... even if it was today :P | 08:07 |
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| diablo_rojo | mattoliverau, still counts if it was done before I asked if it was done. | 08:07 |
| mattoliverau | \o/ | 08:07 |
| gmann_ | I think I did not but donot remember if I reviewed few during weekend | 08:07 |
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| diablo_rojo | I don't think I reviewed them, but I was working on some other things instead (one of them being a later topic) so hopefully you all will accept that. | 08:08 |
| mattoliverau | There wasn't any Swift ones, so I grabbed the stackalytics ones, reviewed. and mentioned this group if they wanted help/connected as they get started. | 08:08 |
| cmurphy | that's a good idea | 08:08 |
| diablo_rojo | I for sure did one- we have a potential storyboard intern who just pushed her first patch :) | 08:08 |
| * gmann_ mobile irc client does not get scroll down on new msg. | 08:09 | |
| diablo_rojo | mattoliverau, that is a good idea | 08:09 |
| diablo_rojo | gmann_, oof thats obnoxious- I would guess thats a setting somewhere. | 08:09 |
| mattoliverau | yeah, and I learnt many people make mistakes when adding themselves to stackylitics.. I thought it was just me :P | 08:09 |
| diablo_rojo | mattoliverau, I don't think so- its super non intuitive | 08:10 |
| gmann_ | diablo_rojo: checking in setting .. | 08:10 |
| diablo_rojo | Last I recall I still work for IBM in stackalytics. Can't remember if I ever updated it. | 08:10 |
| mattoliverau | lol, opps | 08:10 |
| mattoliverau | there getting all your credit | 08:10 |
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| mattoliverau | *they're | 08:11 |
| diablo_rojo | mattoliverau, if I looked at stackalytics I might care, but I don't really anymore | 08:12 |
| diablo_rojo | Anywho, in reviews did anyone find a new contributor they want to bring to the 'New Contributor of the Month' table? | 08:12 |
| mattoliverau | Though based on the current reviews noone to really add to the contributer of the week/month. One got it right and the other 2 didn't.. on of the 2 literally copied over the first entry in the list... rendering the first person in stackylitics gone. | 08:12 |
| mattoliverau | *one of the 2 | 08:13 |
| diablo_rojo | I might actually say the potential outreachy storyboard intern- She has come into the project and pushed a patch in ~a week. She already pushed a new patchset today too. | 08:13 |
| diablo_rojo | mattoliverau, lol | 08:13 |
| diablo_rojo | cmurphy, or gmann_ got anyone? | 08:13 |
| gmann_ | Same from me, No one as of now. The one I thought not yet replied on review comments. | 08:13 |
| mattoliverau | diablo_rojo: nice | 08:14 |
| cmurphy | no one stands out in keystone at the moment :/ | 08:14 |
| mattoliverau | seems getting new contribs to push a follow up patchset is the hard part. | 08:15 |
| diablo_rojo | Oh well. I'll give it till the end of the week and then I will move ahead with our potential intern- not sure if I want to do an OpenStack Blog post, or just throw something in the dev digest or do a super user or just make a wiki page.. | 08:15 |
| mattoliverau | maybe it's the first big barrier. that and time to review usually | 08:15 |
| diablo_rojo | mattoliverau, agreed- the first patchset is easier than the follow ups more often than not. | 08:15 |
| diablo_rojo | Yeah | 08:15 |
| gmann_ | Yea | 08:15 |
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| mattoliverau | Yeah, so something to make sure we've focused on here and in OUI I guess | 08:16 |
| diablo_rojo | If any of you come up with a different new contrib of the week, ping be by Fridayish and we can make a decision. | 08:16 |
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| gmann_ | If we can find them in irc it is easy to help them but hats not case always | 08:16 |
| mattoliverau | kk | 08:16 |
| diablo_rojo | mattoliverau, indeed. | 08:16 |
| gmann_ | Sure. | 08:17 |
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| diablo_rojo | gmann_, yeah. And the people that show up in irc, ask a question, don't get an answer right away and dissappear without leaving contact info.. Hard to circle back to them. | 08:17 |
| gmann_ | True | 08:18 |
| mattoliverau | yeah, but from their point of view, how long is waiting long enough. | 08:18 |
| mattoliverau | I see that all the time and am like, damn missed them.. but they do tend to stay for 5 - 10 minutes. | 08:18 |
| diablo_rojo | For them I'm sure they think 20 min or less, in reality I would say give it 12 hours before trying something different. | 08:18 |
| diablo_rojo | mattoliverau, more things to stress in OUI | 08:19 |
| mattoliverau | yeah, exactly | 08:19 |
| gmann_ | Yea bcz, they might use irc on browser and close if no reply at same time | 08:19 |
| mattoliverau | but for some people permanent connection to IRC is hard | 08:19 |
| gmann_ | Exactly | 08:19 |
| mattoliverau | ^ and that | 08:19 |
| diablo_rojo | Which is why emails to the ml's are good if you can't stick around on IRC | 08:20 |
| mattoliverau | I guess that's why ask openstack is actually a pretty good option.. except I don't think it's really as well monitored | 08:20 |
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| diablo_rojo | Not as well as it used to. | 08:20 |
| diablo_rojo | Thats for sure | 08:20 |
| diablo_rojo | #action Everyone- same homework for next week 3+ reviews (or delegation of reviews) of new contributor patches | 08:21 |
| diablo_rojo | Onto the next topic! Unless someone else has more to say on this one. | 08:21 |
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| diablo_rojo | I'll take the silence as a no. | 08:22 |
| diablo_rojo | #topic ask.openstack.org monitoring | 08:22 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "ask.openstack.org monitoring (Meeting topic: fc_sig)" | 08:22 | |
| * diablo_rojo opens tabs to look for new questions | 08:22 | |
| mattoliverau | I didn't see any | 08:23 |
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| diablo_rojo | Me neither. | 08:23 |
| mattoliverau | well that was an easy topic then :) | 08:23 |
| diablo_rojo | Boom. Cruising through this agenda. | 08:23 |
| diablo_rojo | #topic Rollover of #openstack-101 | 08:24 |
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| mattoliverau | Any update on this? | 08:24 |
| diablo_rojo | This is not done yet. Haven't talked to thingee in a while, but haven't seen movement. | 08:25 |
| diablo_rojo | I don't think he would be offended if someone wanted to take this off his plate? | 08:25 |
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| diablo_rojo | I think he was just being awesome and stepping up cause no one else volunteered. | 08:25 |
| mattoliverau | kk, well it's the easter long weekend so I don't plan on doing much this coming week. (between these meetings) | 08:26 |
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| mattoliverau | let's see what happens by next meeting and then if no one steps up I'll figure out how to do a thing. | 08:27 |
| diablo_rojo | mattoliverau, was that a 'I volunteer as tribute since its a long weekend' or a 'not it, its a long weekend' ? | 08:27 |
| diablo_rojo | Got it | 08:27 |
| mattoliverau | not it, it's a long weekend | 08:27 |
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| diablo_rojo | Noted. | 08:27 |
| diablo_rojo | I think it can wait another week. | 08:27 |
| mattoliverau | but also a I volunteer.. so really it was both | 08:27 |
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| diablo_rojo | Ha ha works for me. | 08:27 |
| gmann_ | :-) | 08:27 |
| diablo_rojo | if you need the directions I can find them again for you mattoliverau | 08:28 |
| mattoliverau | cool, I'm sure I'll ask after next meeting :P | 08:28 |
| diablo_rojo | Ha alright :) | 08:28 |
| diablo_rojo | #topic Forum Discussion Planning | 08:28 |
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| diablo_rojo | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/FC_SIG_Rocky_Forum Planning Etherpad | 08:28 |
| diablo_rojo | Looks like fungi added a second idea to the etherpad | 08:29 |
| mattoliverau | I think it would be cool to have some time to all meet up face to face.. and potentually trick more people into helping | 08:29 |
| diablo_rojo | mattoliverau, +1 | 08:29 |
| diablo_rojo | I think that is part of the goal behind idea #1 | 08:30 |
| diablo_rojo | idea #2 is more pratical- a draft planning session of what contributors need allowed from their companies to actually contribute back to the community | 08:30 |
| gmann_ | And open time for all new people or company representative if they have any query etc | 08:30 |
| diablo_rojo | gmann_, yeah they could fit in both discussions | 08:30 |
| diablo_rojo | I think | 08:30 |
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| diablo_rojo | The second idea is an expansion on a discussion that started with the tc | 08:31 |
| diablo_rojo | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Contributing_Organization_Guide | 08:31 |
| mattoliverau | oh #2 is interesting. if that is happening getting an idea of all the problems so we can try and solve some would be good | 08:31 |
| persia | One of the issues we've had with the #2 discussion in the past is that we often don't have representatives from companies that don't have lots of contributors, which makes the discussion theoretical. Would the audience from FC_SIG likely include such representatives? | 08:32 |
| mattoliverau | ^ that | 08:32 |
| mattoliverau | I was just going to say something similar | 08:32 |
| mattoliverau | I've love for us to talk about it, but without someone who has the issues present it's hard | 08:32 |
| cmurphy | I won't put him on the spot but I'll ask one of our keystone contributors to be present, he was useful about shedding some light on these things at the TPG | 08:33 |
| cmurphy | PTG* | 08:33 |
| persia | I've anecdotal reports from a few companies (including some in China), but if there is a good way to get folk to explain what might be hard, that would be hugely helpful in terms of documenting it. | 08:33 |
| diablo_rojo | If we propose that topic (probably jointly with the tc) I would like to broadcast its happening as widely as possible to get some of those representatives | 08:33 |
| gmann_ | Ok, bcz it is hard to find new developers in summit due to budget | 08:33 |
| mattoliverau | cmurphy: cool, if you could, that'll be awesome.. no pressure tho, on him | 08:33 |
| diablo_rojo | If we know what companies struggle with it- we can definitely do more targeted outreach too | 08:34 |
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| mattoliverau | persia: anecdotal is better then nothing.. so could be a start. | 08:34 |
| diablo_rojo | We can have the discussion with as many people as we can get there. | 08:35 |
| diablo_rojo | It could be a living document too- updating as we go. | 08:35 |
| mattoliverau | I've noticed Swift reviews from China but they never show up in channel.. I wonder if they've got the same problem. Maybe I'll try and reach out. | 08:35 |
| mattoliverau | diablo_rojo: +1 | 08:36 |
| diablo_rojo | Just having something more formalized would be good to be able to point organizations at | 08:36 |
| gmann_ | +1 | 08:36 |
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| diablo_rojo | I can try to remember to bring this up in the TC meeting tomorrow. | 08:36 |
| cmurphy | anecdotally, it's sometimes technical and part social - hard to participate in a synchronous conversation if you're not confident in your english skills | 08:37 |
| mattoliverau | diablo_rojo: good idea.. if you remember :) (I know it's late there) | 08:37 |
| diablo_rojo | cmurphy, true | 08:37 |
| mattoliverau | cmurphy: +1 | 08:37 |
| persia | Or find counterparties before 8 or 9 UTC :) | 08:38 |
| diablo_rojo | I would like if it was only social barriers and not technical ones- if we could get all the companies in OpenStack to be on the same page with letting their contributors participate... | 08:38 |
| cmurphy | persia: that too | 08:38 |
| diablo_rojo | think of how much more action we would see :) | 08:38 |
| diablo_rojo | So I guess thats two forum discussions we can propose. I can start drafting abstracts this week/weekend for review next week. Forum submissions close the 15th I think? | 08:39 |
| diablo_rojo | Anyone ever proposed one before? | 08:40 |
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| mattoliverau | yeah, but it want only a few lines and aimed at operators | 08:41 |
| mattoliverau | seemed to work at least for atlanta | 08:41 |
| mattoliverau | PTG | 08:41 |
| gmann_ | For usual operator feedback it works well :-) | 08:41 |
| mattoliverau | if you write something up I'm happy to review it | 08:41 |
| mattoliverau | not that I'm a wordsmith or anything.. I'm Australian.. I only know bad english | 08:41 |
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| * diablo_rojo can look at the application to see if there are other questions, just being lazy currently | 08:42 | |
| diablo_rojo | And last topic! | 08:42 |
| diablo_rojo | #topic Cleaning up sanbox and & sandbox-ci patches | 08:43 |
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| diablo_rojo | I wrote a thing to post on old patches. | 08:43 |
| diablo_rojo | Hello! Thank you for your first patch :) I see that it has gone untouched for quite a while so in an effort to clean up this repository, I will abandon it. If you would like it to be restored or have any other questions about how to contribute upstream, please reach out to myself ($IRCNICK) or any of the other First Contact SIG members[1] on IRC in the #openstack-dev channel. [1] https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/First_Contact_SIG | 08:43 |
| mattoliverau | nice words | 08:43 |
| cmurphy | Maybe add a link to the new contributor guide? | 08:44 |
| gmann_ | Looks good. +1 | 08:44 |
| diablo_rojo | Thank you. I wrote them when I hadn't been up for 18 hours and only slept for 6 the night before :) | 08:44 |
| * cmurphy also not bothered by just leaving those patches open | 08:44 | |
| persia | Just to confirm: that's only for changes that are single changes by unique submitters where no patch to any other repo predates that change? | 08:44 |
| diablo_rojo | cmurphy, yeah that would be a good addition. | 08:44 |
| persia | If not, maybe replace "first" with "experimental" or "sandbox". | 08:44 |
| diablo_rojo | persia, talking about the literal sandbox repo and for new contributors and for patches that are circa 2+ years ago | 08:45 |
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| cmurphy | persia: they are patches that get reviewed by the "welcome new contributor" bot which only reviews people's first submission | 08:45 |
| persia | diablo_rojo: Just wanted to confirm it was really "new contributors", as I know my first change to the sandbox project wasn't my first change submitted to gerrit :) | 08:45 |
| mattoliverau | the search though is looking for the new contributor message, so I guess they could have pushed a patch elsewere though right? | 08:45 |
| diablo_rojo | persia, good clarification | 08:46 |
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| persia | mattoliverau: I think the new contributor bot looks gerrit-wide, so it really is just first changes submitted. | 08:46 |
| diablo_rojo | mattoliverau, yeah since that one they could have pushed another | 08:46 |
| diablo_rojo | I suppose I didnt look at the few I wrote that on and abandoned to see if they had other open patches | 08:46 |
| mattoliverau | we could write a tool to look for that though. | 08:47 |
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| diablo_rojo | mattoliverau, at this point I just use the gerrit query, but yeah could do that | 08:47 |
| gmann_ | Both cases we need to abandon and I think same msg works ok | 08:47 |
| mattoliverau | I have some old code we used to use for looking for possibly abandoned swift patches. Maybe I'll see if it still works (api the same), and then do a new contrib + sandbox then a follow up search on the results to get a list of 1 time contribs and only in sandbox. | 08:48 |
| mattoliverau | gmann_: true | 08:48 |
| diablo_rojo | mattoliverau, that would be cool. | 08:48 |
| diablo_rojo | Either way, not that pressing. | 08:49 |
| diablo_rojo | And thats the last planned topic I had :) | 08:49 |
| diablo_rojo | #topic AOB? | 08:49 |
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| diablo_rojo | cmurphy, any interest in coming to help us run Upstream Institute? :) | 08:49 |
| diablo_rojo | mattoliverau, can attest to how fun it is :) | 08:49 |
| cmurphy | sure | 08:50 |
| mattoliverau | oh yeah it's great.. especially the people! | 08:50 |
| mattoliverau | about that on my end.. | 08:50 |
| diablo_rojo | mattoliverau, we need you! | 08:50 |
| cmurphy | I've never looked into it, I suppose it involves making it to the summit a couple of days early? | 08:50 |
| diablo_rojo | cmurphy, correct- its saturday and sunday before the summit starts | 08:50 |
| cmurphy | so would need buy-in from my employer | 08:51 |
| cmurphy | also not sure yet what the board meeting schedule is | 08:51 |
| diablo_rojo | We do genuinely need a keystone rep. | 08:51 |
| gmann_ | Usually it is same day on Sunday. Last time it was at least | 08:51 |
| mattoliverau | diablo_rojo: I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but I can't make OUI this summit (though I really wanted to be there).. turns out months ago we got our babymoon dates wrong by only a few days, so will kinda be on a beach in Fiji until the Sunday of Vancouver. I thought it was planned ending the weekend before.. seriously it wasn't planned to conflict because I'd planned to be at OUI. | 08:52 |
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| diablo_rojo | cmurphy, yeah that does get in the way. smcginnis usually comes for part of the time and then ducks out to the board meeting when he needs to | 08:52 |
| cmurphy | mattoliverau: i'm so sorry for you | 08:52 |
| mattoliverau | cmurphy: if it helps my employer was happy with me doing it last time :) | 08:52 |
| cmurphy | mattoliverau: that does help ;) | 08:52 |
| mattoliverau | cmurphy: I know.. it's going to be hard. | 08:53 |
| cmurphy | diablo_rojo: i can probably follow smcginnis's lead there | 08:53 |
| diablo_rojo | I love the scathing sarcasm there | 08:53 |
| gmann_ | mattoliverau: v ll miss u there | 08:53 |
| mattoliverau | cmurphy: but it was serously a mistake that we tried to change | 08:53 |
| diablo_rojo | cmurphy, cool :) We would love to have you. | 08:53 |
| cmurphy | awesome | 08:54 |
| diablo_rojo | mattoliverau, we will need to find a different Australian to stand in for you this round. | 08:54 |
| gmann_ | :-) | 08:54 |
| mattoliverau | diablo_rojo: I promise to do extra work during the forum | 08:54 |
| diablo_rojo | mattoliverau, I'm holding you to that :P | 08:55 |
| mattoliverau | if you want I'll send photos from the fiji resort :P | 08:56 |
| diablo_rojo | cmurphy, as we get closer I can pull you into the planning stuff. For now theres not much to do besides work on adding to the contributor guide and rip out content from the old slides. Maybe update some exercises. | 08:56 |
| cmurphy | diablo_rojo: cool, i'm also adding the meetings to my calendar | 08:57 |
| diablo_rojo | cmurphy, awesome :) | 08:57 |
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| diablo_rojo | mattoliverau, :P | 08:57 |
| diablo_rojo | Anyone got anything else in our last three minutes? | 08:57 |
| diablo_rojo | two... | 08:58 |
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| mattoliverau | I think you can go to bed a little early diablo_rojo | 08:58 |
| mattoliverau | :P | 08:58 |
| diablo_rojo | one.. | 08:59 |
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| diablo_rojo | Okay I'm going! | 08:59 |
| diablo_rojo | #endmeeting | 08:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 28 08:59:33 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 08:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fc_sig/2018/fc_sig.2018-03-28-08.00.html | 08:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fc_sig/2018/fc_sig.2018-03-28-08.00.txt | 08:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fc_sig/2018/fc_sig.2018-03-28-08.00.log.html | 08:59 |
| gmann_ | Thanks diablo_rojo gn | 08:59 |
| mattoliverau | +1 | 08:59 |
| diablo_rojo | Thaks for coming gmann_ mattoliverau and cmurphy :) A pleasure as always. | 09:00 |
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| oneswig | okey dokey | 11:00 |
| oneswig | #startmeeting scientific-sig | 11:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 28 11:00:27 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is oneswig. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 11:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 11:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: scientific-sig)" | 11:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'scientific_sig' | 11:00 |
| oneswig | #link Agenda for today https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Scientific_SIG#IRC_Meeting_March_28th_2018 | 11:00 |
| oneswig | Good morning good afternoon good evening | 11:00 |
| zhipeng | good evening :) | 11:01 |
| oneswig | Hey zhipeng, thanks for joining today | 11:01 |
| zhipeng | glad to be here | 11:01 |
| priteau | Hello everyone | 11:01 |
| verdurin | Hello - I can only join for a while because I only remembered about the timing change this morning... | 11:01 |
| daveholland | hi | 11:01 |
| oneswig | Then let's get started and talk fast :-) | 11:02 |
| martial__ | good day :) | 11:02 |
| oneswig | #topic Cyborg | 11:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Cyborg (Meeting topic: scientific-sig)" | 11:02 | |
| oneswig | Hi martial__, good morning | 11:02 |
| oneswig | #chair martial__ | 11:02 |
| openstack | Current chairs: martial__ oneswig | 11:02 |
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| oneswig | #link Zhipeng's presentation https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1tERW4CVhyxNdX50AOPZRa44iPEhico8O_vQ0Ou75L80/edit?usp=sharing | 11:02 |
| oneswig | zhipeng: Thanks for sharing the presentation with us. I have plenty of questions and I am sure others do too. | 11:03 |
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| zhipeng | no problem ! | 11:03 |
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| oneswig | Can you start by describing, what is missing is OpenStack's support for (say) GPUs? | 11:03 |
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| zhipeng | have to applogize for lacking a more up to date one | 11:03 |
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| zhipeng | ok, so we have discussed very early on with Scientific SIG | 11:04 |
| zhipeng | and got valuable input as well | 11:05 |
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| b1airo | I'm still awake it seems | 11:05 |
| zhipeng | the initial feedback we got regarding GPU, is that it is difficult to fully balance between GPU and CPU resource | 11:05 |
| oneswig | #chair b1airo | 11:05 |
| openstack | Current chairs: b1airo martial__ oneswig | 11:05 |
| oneswig | Evening Blair | 11:06 |
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| zhipeng | hey Blair | 11:06 |
| b1airo | O/ | 11:06 |
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| martial__ | welcome b1airo :) | 11:06 |
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| zhipeng | so for example, users typically either have to host aggregate the GPU resource in order to fully utilize it | 11:06 |
| oneswig | zhipeng: balance, as in manage the scheduling of workloads that require GPUs without under-utilising the GPU hardwrare? | 11:06 |
| zhipeng | oneswig exactly | 11:07 |
| zz9pzza | o/ | 11:07 |
| b1airo | Sounds like that is more a user problem? | 11:07 |
| zhipeng | or user have a mix CPU-GPU setup but workload that needs GPU not scheduled onto GPU nodes as planned | 11:07 |
| zhipeng | that was the input back in Boston Summit :) | 11:08 |
| zhipeng | from Jim Golden I believe :) | 11:08 |
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| oneswig | I think this is a good example that people can relate to. | 11:08 |
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| zhipeng | well I think if we look at the latest release, with the Placement and all, this issue is not that severe | 11:08 |
| b1airo | I'm not sure if I could be talking at cross purposes here as I came in late... | 11:09 |
| oneswig | How does Cyborg help? | 11:09 |
| zhipeng | so Cyborg, developed as a general mgmt framework dedicated to the acceleration resources | 11:09 |
| zhipeng | like FPGA, GPU, NVMe SSD,... | 11:09 |
| zhipeng | Will help treating these types resources as first class citizen when Nova schedules | 11:10 |
| zhipeng | so we have a more recent use case | 11:10 |
| zhipeng | from another perspective | 11:10 |
| b1airo | But this sounds like an inherent problem with direct attached devices and passthrough - balancing usage of must-have system resources like CPU & RAM versus accelerator resources has to be done at hardware purchase time - i.e. cannot be flexible or optimal for all use-cases/workloads | 11:10 |
| zhipeng | b1airo well I think getting a reasonable utilization rate is achievable | 11:11 |
| zhipeng | ok,back to the new use case | 11:12 |
| zhipeng | provided by kosamara from CERN | 11:12 |
| zhipeng | is that for security reason, users might want to clean up the GPU after usage | 11:12 |
| zhipeng | this could also be something Cyborg could help with , via NVIDIA driver | 11:13 |
| oneswig | zhipeng: in a virtualised context? Cleaning after pass-through? | 11:13 |
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| zhipeng | nuh it is for hpc | 11:14 |
| zhipeng | no virtualization | 11:14 |
| kosamara | Yes, cleaning the GPU memory after passthrough. | 11:14 |
| zhipeng | kosamara tho not virtualized GPU right ? | 11:15 |
| kosamara | No, only in passthrough config | 11:15 |
| b1airo | That's an interesting one - what is the attack / information leak vector there kosamara ? | 11:15 |
| kosamara | Events: user 1 uses a gpu, relinquishes it, user 2 claims it | 11:15 |
| belmoreira | I think firmware is more important than memory | 11:16 |
| kosamara | Then, user 2 can access user 1's data, which is not erased automatically | 11:16 |
| b1airo | And how will you clean? Load a custom CUDA kernel that zeros all memory (without using unified memory)? | 11:16 |
| kosamara | That's what I think. The problem is that the host can't do that, because it doesn't have the nvidia driver kernel modules loaded. | 11:17 |
| kosamara | To allow gpu passthrough, the device must be claimed by vfio. | 11:17 |
| b1airo | belmoreira: please let me know if you get a different response from elsewhere inside NVIDIA than I did | 11:17 |
| belmoreira | b1airo sure | 11:18 |
| martial__ | (this reminds me there were quite a few announcements during GTC yesterday) | 11:18 |
| zhipeng | well on a sidenote, we are really looking forward to work with NVIDIA team to have a driver ready for Rocky :) | 11:18 |
| b1airo | kosamara: would this require a rowhammer alike attack? | 11:18 |
| zz9pzza | You could have a image that is run between jobs who's tak kis to do the clean up | 11:19 |
| b1airo | zhipeng: you can hope! :-) | 11:19 |
| oneswig | kosamara: Are you simply able to write to the PCI memory regions of the VF without a driver loaded (or is that naive)? | 11:19 |
| zhipeng | b1airo lol | 11:19 |
| oneswig | Nat VF, GPU, ahem | 11:19 |
| kosamara | blairo no. If user 1 in the above example leaves his data on memory, then user 2 can simply read the entire gpu memory and find them. | 11:20 |
| zz9pzza | Having a cleaning image per thing is more generic. | 11:20 |
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| b1airo | Mind you, they are pretty busy making boxes that melt racks... (for those who read about DGX-2 today) | 11:20 |
| belmoreira | zhipeng: not sure if I completely understood the goal of cyborg. Can you explain how cyborg differs from the work done in nova to support vGPUs? | 11:21 |
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| kosamara | oneswig: I'm currently researching that possibility. I don't have low-level pci knowledge yet, so it will take me some time. Perhaps someone else can provide a better answer? | 11:21 |
| b1airo | kosamara: is that a verified leak, i.e. between guest instance boots and driver initialisations - I didn't know about this :-/ | 11:22 |
| zhipeng | belmoreira great question, so on a higher level, cyborg aims to provide a general framework. Per GPU, we are actually discussing with the vGPU folks in Nova on working out a collaboration plan | 11:22 |
| kosamara | blairo: yes, I can link to this paper: https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/Confidentiality-Issues-on-a-GPU-in-a-Virtualized-E-Maurice-Neumann/693a8b56a9e961052702ff088131eb553e88d9ae | 11:22 |
| oneswig | To follow on belmoreira's question, this issue with GPU cleaning between uses, I guess it can generalise to other kinds of acceleration. But does that require a service? | 11:23 |
| priteau | kosamara: so it's quite similar to Ironic node cleaning, but with a cleaning VM loaded after each user instance is terminated? | 11:23 |
| b1airo | Thanks, will have a look | 11:23 |
| zhipeng | the current thinking is that cyborg could provide a more nuanced represenation of vGPU resources, for example in a tree structure | 11:23 |
| zhipeng | which was originally planned but later ditched in the nova spec, if I remember correctly | 11:23 |
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| zhipeng | One thing worth mentioning is that Cyborg utilize and interact with Placement for resource information aggregation | 11:24 |
| priteau | kosamara: which component is responsible for launching this cleaning VM? Is there a cybord-compute agent? | 11:24 |
| belmoreira | oneswig: that's a good point. If nova supports PCI passthrough maybe it should be handled there | 11:25 |
| kosamara | priteau: I don't know how ironic node cleaning works. But yes, a cleaning VM loaded after each user. Apart if what oneswig suggests above can actually work, through the vfio driver, which is already on the host | 11:25 |
| b1airo | oneswig: kosamara: re. direct PCI config space writes - yes I believe you can. Vfio can intercept, but it doesn't currently protect everything that should be protected with GPU BAR0 | 11:25 |
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| belmoreira | zhipeng: but at the end is nova scheduler that needs to be aware of this available resources in placement | 11:26 |
| zhipeng | yes exactly | 11:26 |
| b1airo | I can imagine cyborg coming into its own with a solid network/fabric based accelerator attachment model | 11:26 |
| zhipeng | cyborg-conductor will sync with Placement about all the acceleration resources | 11:26 |
| zhipeng | b1airo that is definitely something we are looking at | 11:27 |
| b1airo | Things like PCIe fabrics | 11:27 |
| oneswig | One issue with this approach is that programmed-IO writes to how-many-GB of GPU RAM might be slower than booting a vm to get the GPU to do it itself. | 11:27 |
| zhipeng | that model better suits coz the life cycle is independant from the compute | 11:27 |
| martial__ | zhipeng: what is your timeline for features in cyborg? | 11:27 |
| b1airo | Or perhaps NVMeoF | 11:27 |
| zhipeng | martial__ which features ? | 11:28 |
| oneswig | b1airo: you thinking of RCUDA here? | 11:28 |
| zhipeng | oneswig the Huawei Cloud will actually have a RCUDA enable remote GPU for use this year | 11:29 |
| b1airo | Yes, RCUDA is a good example for GPUs and would be cool to have a prototype | 11:29 |
| zhipeng | the service end is implemented based upon cyborg | 11:29 |
| oneswig | zhipeng: sounds good, better get that cleaning working :-) | 11:29 |
| zhipeng | cleaning is more fun :) | 11:30 |
| b1airo | Will we hear about that in Berlin zhipeng ? :-) | 11:30 |
| martial__ | zhipeng: given the abstraction level per hardware, are you prioritizing some components/hardware first or is the model/solution thought as a generic enabler for all hardware? | 11:30 |
| zhipeng | b1airo will endeaver to do so :P | 11:30 |
| zhipeng | martial__ starting Rocky we will try to establishing something like a standardized metadata description | 11:30 |
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| zhipeng | across FPGA, GPU and other things | 11:31 |
| zhipeng | device tree for ARM for example | 11:31 |
| zhipeng | we want to make Cyborg talk as general as possible to the accelerators | 11:31 |
| martial__ | sounds very good | 11:32 |
| oneswig | zhipeng: can you talk more on the interaction with nova/placement? Does Cyborg do something with custom resource classes? | 11:32 |
| zhipeng | yes oneswig, cyborg implements custom trait and resource class for FPGA resources at the moment | 11:33 |
| b1airo | zhipeng: I think the SLURM scheduler already has a similar tree like resource model, you should look into that for inspiration and/or blatant copying | 11:33 |
| zhipeng | and will do the same for other types of accelerators as well | 11:33 |
| zhipeng | b1airo any pointers ? | 11:33 |
| zhipeng | would love to blatanyly copy XD | 11:33 |
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| b1airo | It's called GRES | 11:34 |
| oneswig | zhipeng: what extra does Cyborg add to the placement service's handling of custom resource classes for scheduling with accelerators? | 11:35 |
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| zhipeng | oneswig actually nothing special (beauty of the placement design) | 11:35 |
| zhipeng | as long as we define the schema correctly, it could work :) | 11:36 |
| zhipeng | our Intel dev team did a PoC to verify that, just couple of days ago | 11:36 |
| oneswig | Ah, OK, so the focus of development effort is for supporting the hardware end, more than the scheduling end? | 11:36 |
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| oneswig | cleaning and so on? | 11:37 |
| zhipeng | yes the gaps for example for FPGA, is how to interact with Glance on image mgmt | 11:37 |
| zhipeng | and how to attach | 11:37 |
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| zhipeng | so one of the outcome of the discussion we had with the nova team in Dublin | 11:37 |
| zhipeng | is that they suggest we created a os-acc lib | 11:37 |
| zhipeng | similar to os-vif and os-brick, to handle that | 11:37 |
| zhipeng | For GPU, I guees it would be the cleaning and attach/detach as well | 11:38 |
| oneswig | Do you have support for loading user netlists onto FPGAs and passing-through as a prepared device? | 11:38 |
| zhipeng | oneswig I have to double check on that with the driver team :) | 11:40 |
| b1airo | Oh right, now I realise at the start of the meeting you were probably talking about dynamic attachment of GPUs etc to instances (as opposed to fixed to instance like we have now) | 11:40 |
| oneswig | could be good, but very scary attack potential | 11:40 |
| zhipeng | b1airo yep :) | 11:40 |
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| oneswig | Ah, I have to drop off - I have a visitor - chairs can you take over the meeting bot? | 11:41 |
| b1airo | Copy | 11:42 |
| martial__ | sure | 11:42 |
| b1airo | zhipeng: have you looked at potential for cyborg to orchestrate vGPU? | 11:43 |
| zhipeng | yes definitely, we actually invite Jianghua to join the discussion on our weekly meeting about 2 hours and 15mins later :P | 11:44 |
| zhipeng | on #openstack-cyborg | 11:44 |
| martial__ | zhipeng: then can you also describe how to best use Cyborg; ie how to deploy and make use of it efficiently ? | 11:45 |
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| b1airo | I am not sure what actually ended being implemented for the new vGPU support in Nova, but I'm guessing since there is still no NVIDIA Linux/KVM drivers available for host side yet that there must be gaps | 11:45 |
| martial__ | (or plan for use, ie best practice with cyborg) | 11:46 |
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| zhipeng | martial__ well as you know we wrote the project from ground up, so it is still very buggy, but devstack is the best way at the moment to try it out | 11:47 |
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| zhipeng | b1airo i think I could confirm that with Jianghua later | 11:47 |
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| b1airo | Thanks, I will follow up to check the logs | 11:48 |
| martial__ | sounds good, thank you | 11:48 |
| b1airo | zhipeng: did you have anything else to report on Cyborg? | 11:49 |
| martial__ | zhipeng: anyhting else we need to know about cyborg? | 11:49 |
| b1airo | Or for that matter does anyone else have further questions? | 11:49 |
| zhipeng | i think we've covered all the important bits | 11:49 |
| b1airo | (jinx martial__ ) | 11:49 |
| martial__ | (indeed b1airo :) ) | 11:49 |
| b1airo | Great! | 11:49 |
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| martial__ | zhipeng: thank you very much for taking the time to come talk to us | 11:50 |
| zhipeng | for our rocky priorities, you could checkout from the mailinglist archive | 11:50 |
| zhipeng | no problem, cyborg could not be born without the great early support from SWG, and your inputs are always welcomed | 11:50 |
| zhipeng | :) | 11:50 |
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| martial__ | :) | 11:50 |
| b1airo | martial__: do you have the Forum brainstorm etherpad link handy? | 11:50 |
| martial__ | #link Forum brainstorming (https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/YVR18-scientific-sig-brainstorming | 11:51 |
| martial__ | #link Forum brainstorming https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/YVR18-scientific-sig-brainstorming | 11:51 |
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| martial__ | so far still only Blair's content | 11:52 |
| martial__ | we will have more added as we get closer and get confirmation of who will be able to join | 11:52 |
| b1airo | kosamara: belmoreira - please throw your ideas in there regarding a session on GPUs | 11:53 |
| martial__ | but FTI, fellow Scientific SIG participants, the Etherpad is for our collection of ideas for the Forum | 11:53 |
| martial__ | (FTI -> FYI) | 11:53 |
| martial__ | And as I see no comments yet | 11:54 |
| martial__ | moving on to the next topic | 11:55 |
| martial__ | #topic AOB | 11:55 |
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| martial__ | Well GTC yesterday gave us some things to look ino | 11:55 |
| martial__ | into | 11:55 |
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| martial__ | "NVIDIA TensorRT™ is a high-performance deep learning inference optimizer and runtime that delivers low latency and high-throughput for deep learning inference applications. With TensorRT, you can optimize neural network models, calibrate for lower precision with high accuracy, and finally deploy the models to hyperscale data centers, embedded, or automotive product platforms. TensorRT-based applications on | 11:56 |
| martial__ | GPUs perform up to 100x faster than CPU during inference for models trained in all major frameworks." https://developer.nvidia.com/tensorrt | 11:56 |
| martial__ | and "NVLink is a great advance to enable eight GPUs in a single server, and accelerate performance beyond PCIe. [...] NVIDIA NVSwitch is the first on-node switch architecture to support 16 fully-connected GPUs in a single server node and drive simultaneous communication between all eight GPU pairs" https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/data-center/nvlink/ | 11:56 |
| martial__ | For people interested, the full 2h30 video is at https://www.ustream.tv/gpu-technology-conference | 11:57 |
| martial__ | and the model 2 ... b1airo ? :) | 11:57 |
| b1airo | Yeah, 10kW beast | 11:57 |
| martial__ | Link for people interested https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/data-center/dgx-2/ | 11:59 |
| martial__ | and with that, we are reaching the end of the hour | 11:59 |
| b1airo | I want HGX-2 (for the little people) | 11:59 |
| martial__ | thanks again to zhipeng for spending some quality time talking to us about Cyborg (reminder on presentation https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1tERW4CVhyxNdX50AOPZRa44iPEhico8O_vQ0Ou75L80/edit?usp=sharing ) | 12:00 |
| b1airo | Time's up! | 12:00 |
| b1airo | Thanks!! | 12:00 |
| martial__ | thanks everybody for joining us for another fun session :) | 12:01 |
| martial__ | #endmeeting | 12:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 28 12:01:11 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 12:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_sig/2018/scientific_sig.2018-03-28-11.00.html | 12:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_sig/2018/scientific_sig.2018-03-28-11.00.txt | 12:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_sig/2018/scientific_sig.2018-03-28-11.00.log.html | 12:01 |
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| b1airo | Goodnight! | 12:01 |
| martial__ | Goodbye | 12:02 |
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| priteau | Good bye | 12:03 |
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| mugsie | #startmeeting Designate | 14:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 28 14:01:16 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mugsie. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Designate)" | 14:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'designate' | 14:01 |
| mugsie | #topic Roll Call | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Roll Call (Meeting topic: Designate)" | 14:01 | |
| frickler | o/ | 14:02 |
| simon-AS559 | anseo! | 14:02 |
| mugsie | #topic Bug Triage | 14:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bug Triage (Meeting topic: Designate)" | 14:02 | |
| mugsie | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bug/1758013 | 14:03 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1758013 in Designate ""also_notifies" section is not purged by designate when removing it from "pools.yaml" file" [Undecided,New] | 14:03 |
| mugsie | I need to actually reproduce this, but I think I know what it is, and it is a real (and annoying) bug | 14:03 |
| mugsie | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bug/1756329 | 14:04 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1756329 in Designate "Delzone fails when not authorative and using caching/forwarding DNS servers " [Undecided,New] | 14:04 |
| mugsie | this one I am not sure about | 14:04 |
| mugsie | should we be supporting use cases where people are using mixed mode DNS servers? | 14:05 |
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| frickler | hmm, doesn't sound unreasonable to me | 14:05 |
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| simon-AS559 | Maybe a documentation improvement would be sufficient… don't use your Designate-controlled name servers recursively? | 14:06 |
| frickler | if folks are really to use this in production, moving a zone away from designate or maybe towards another designate in a different cloud seems a valid scenario | 14:06 |
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| mugsie | frickler: yeah, that works fine if your servers are authoritive only | 14:06 |
| frickler | oh | 14:06 |
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| mugsie | but someone has turned on recursion on the designate controlled servers | 14:07 |
| mugsie | actually - humm ... | 14:07 |
| simon-AS559 | Actually the reporter suggested to turn off recursion towards the designate nodes—that should also work. | 14:07 |
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| mugsie | oh - yeah, then docs to say that are a good idea | 14:07 |
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| frickler | ack | 14:07 |
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| mugsie | #topic Backport Triage | 14:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Backport Triage (Meeting topic: Designate)" | 14:09 | |
| mugsie | actually, nothing of note has merged to consider for backport | 14:09 |
| mugsie | #topic General Discussion | 14:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "General Discussion (Meeting topic: Designate)" | 14:10 | |
| mugsie | any topics for this? | 14:10 |
| frickler | one thing | 14:10 |
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| mugsie | sur | 14:10 |
| mugsie | sure* | 14:10 |
| frickler | seeing that we have some issue with the dashboard | 14:10 |
| mugsie | yeah | 14:11 |
| frickler | I've wondered whether it would make sense to amend https://governance.openstack.org/tc/reference/help-most-needed.html#designate-contributors to specifically ask for UI folk | 14:11 |
| mugsie | oh - good idea | 14:11 |
| frickler | I plan to try to tackle https://bugs.launchpad.net/designate-dashboard/+bug/1729261 but no progress yet | 14:12 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1729261 in Designate Dashboard "Lack of pagination on recordset page" [High,Triaged] - Assigned to Dr. Jens Harbott (j-harbott) | 14:12 |
| mugsie | I am trying to get some internal people to jump on to this, but that takes time to scope the work, and swap them over to the upstream work | 14:12 |
| mugsie | frickler: cool - if you need anything shout | 14:12 |
| mugsie | I was thinking that we may want to swap to the JS talking to designate's api directly | 14:13 |
| mugsie | but that may eed some extra work | 14:13 |
| frickler | a couple of spare hours would be helpful :D | 14:13 |
| mugsie | amen | 14:13 |
| mugsie | my tardis is broken unfortunatly | 14:13 |
| frickler | dst took away another hour, wrong direction | 14:14 |
| mugsie | but it fixed my US meeting times :) | 14:14 |
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| simon-AS559 | For me it removed a conflict between this meeting and another one every two weeks! | 14:15 |
| simon-AS559 | So DST is all good :-P | 14:15 |
| mugsie | haha | 14:15 |
| mugsie | ok - any other issues / topics? | 14:16 |
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| frickler | doesn't look like it | 14:17 |
| mugsie | nope | 14:17 |
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| mugsie | have a great day everyone ! | 14:17 |
| mugsie | #endmeeting | 14:17 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 28 14:17:39 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:17 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2018/designate.2018-03-28-14.01.html | 14:17 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2018/designate.2018-03-28-14.01.txt | 14:17 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2018/designate.2018-03-28-14.01.log.html | 14:17 |
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| ad_ri3n_ | #startmeeting fog-edge-massively-distributed-clouds | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 28 15:01:23 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ad_ri3n_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
| ad_ri3n_ | #chair ad_ri3n_ | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: fog-edge-massively-distributed-clouds)" | 15:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'fog_edge_massively_distributed_clouds' | 15:01 |
| openstack | Current chairs: ad_ri3n_ | 15:01 |
| ad_ri3n_ | #topic roll call | 15:01 |
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| ad_ri3n_ | Hi guys | 15:01 |
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| ad_ri3n_ | Let's see who is available today | 15:01 |
| marie_ | Hi, sorry I'm late | 15:01 |
| jamemcc | Hi | 15:01 |
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| ad_ri3n_ | Hi jamemcc | 15:02 |
| avankemp | o/ | 15:02 |
| ad_ri3n_ | parus ? ansmith ?kgiusti ? | 15:02 |
| ad_ri3n_ | #info agenda | 15:03 |
| ad_ri3n_ | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/massivfbely_distributed_ircmeetings_2018 (line 322) | 15:03 |
| ansmith | o/ | 15:03 |
| ad_ri3n_ | Hi guys | 15:03 |
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| kgiusti | o/ | 15:03 |
| dpertin | Hi o/ | 15:03 |
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| marie_ | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/massively_distributed_ircmeetings_2018 | 15:04 |
| ad_ri3n_ | I started to add some news, please feel free to do the same from your side (directly in the pad) | 15:04 |
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| msimonin | o/ | 15:06 |
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| ad_ri3n_ | So only two news from my side as we mainly worked on the paper from our side. | 15:07 |
| ad_ri3n_ | maybe one last info to share: kgiusti it looks like you will be now officially part of the OpenStack core devs ? | 15:07 |
| ad_ri3n_ | Congrats ! | 15:07 |
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| ad_ri3n_ | or still not yet finalized? | 15:07 |
| kgiusti | ad_ri3n_: yes! Thanks! | 15:07 |
| jamemcc | wow kgiusti - thanks | 15:08 |
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| kgiusti | ad_ri3n_: I'm expecting it to go through | 15:08 |
| ad_ri3n_ | you are our trojan horse ;) | 15:08 |
| msimonin | bravo kgiusti ! | 15:08 |
| kgiusti | ad_ri3n_: I'd rather be a trojan rabbit... | 15:09 |
| marie_ | congratulations! | 15:09 |
| kgiusti | ad_ri3n_: pardon the obscure monty python reference... | 15:09 |
| kgiusti | thanks all | 15:09 |
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| ad_ri3n_ | Ok any other info to share ? | 15:09 |
| marie_ | don't jump on people's throat | 15:09 |
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| ad_ri3n_ | jdandrea put some information relatd to the MUSIC project | 15:10 |
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| ad_ri3n_ | I thought he will be there to elaborate a bit more but not sure he can attend our meeting this week. | 15:11 |
| ad_ri3n_ | so let's start on the ongoing/pending actions if there is nothing more to discuss on this topic. | 15:11 |
| ad_ri3n_ | #topic ongoing-actions-edge-sessions. | 15:12 |
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| ad_ri3n_ | as mentioned the last session has been cancelled due to the F2F meeting in ONS. I cannot attend it but parus did. He will probably give us a brief overview of what has been discussed. | 15:12 |
| ad_ri3n_ | regarding the meeting before the last one. | 15:12 |
| ad_ri3n_ | We mainly discuss about possible issues regarding the current approach (i.e. a kind of manager in charge of synchronizing the different OpenStack instances). | 15:13 |
| * ad_ri3n_ is looking for the etherpad link | 15:13 | |
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| * ad_ri3n_ is waiting now for the etherpad to be loaded… | 15:15 | |
| ad_ri3n_ | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/edge-alans-problems | 15:17 |
| ad_ri3n_ | line 92 | 15:17 |
| ad_ri3n_ | sorry | 15:17 |
| ad_ri3n_ | so that's all | 15:18 |
| ad_ri3n_ | sorry for being long… | 15:18 |
| ad_ri3n_ | and maybe I also missed to announce the new dedicated IRC: Edge Computing Group IRC channel: Freenode: #edge-computing-group | 15:18 |
| ad_ri3n_ | I didn't connect yet to be honest (I should have but ...) | 15:18 |
| ad_ri3n_ | so I don't know whether it is quite active or not | 15:19 |
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| ad_ri3n_ | so that's all for this topic | 15:19 |
| ad_ri3n_ | let's move forward | 15:19 |
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| ad_ri3n_ | #topic ongoing-actions-p2p-gapanalysis | 15:20 |
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| ad_ri3n_ | Nothing more on that point than what has been written in the pad | 15:20 |
| ad_ri3n_ | so if there is no question, let's go on. | 15:20 |
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| ad_ri3n_ | . . . | 15:20 |
| ad_ri3n_ | . . . | 15:20 |
| ad_ri3n_ | ok let's go on | 15:20 |
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| jamemcc | Referencing #edge-computing-group Thanks. Yeah - it looks active - at least some of the right people are in it | 15:20 |
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| ad_ri3n_ | yes let's try to keep an eye on that indeed. | 15:21 |
| ad_ri3n_ | #topic ongoing-actions-cockroach | 15:21 |
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| ad_ri3n_ | @marie | 15:21 |
| ad_ri3n_ | what are the news? | 15:21 |
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| marie_ | we are gathering the results | 15:22 |
| marie_ | and we are trying to analyse them for now, on replicated keystone | 15:22 |
| ad_ri3n_ | it seems you will give a look to tidb also? | 15:23 |
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| marie_ | yes, we might look into tidb more seriously because the sysbench test made was great | 15:23 |
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| msimonin | you mean it performs better than cockroach under sysbench ? | 15:24 |
| marie_ | yep, and mariadb | 15:24 |
| marie_ | like 10 times better, so I'm looking into that because it seems suspicious :) | 15:25 |
| ad_ri3n_ | any news regarding the experimental protocol. Did you make progress on that side? | 15:25 |
| marie_ | yep, I'm making a draft for the test plan | 15:25 |
| ad_ri3n_ | or should we wait a bit more :-P | 15:25 |
| ad_ri3n_ | ok | 15:25 |
| ad_ri3n_ | great | 15:25 |
| msimonin | Will people from cockroach be involved in the test plan ? | 15:26 |
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| marie_ | I'll put it on the pad | 15:26 |
| ad_ri3n_ | thanks | 15:26 |
| ad_ri3n_ | So feedbacks/comments welcome | 15:26 |
| ad_ri3n_ | anything else? | 15:27 |
| marie_ | I would like to get people from cockroach involved in the test plan, cause cockroach results are not really good and maybe I'm doing something wrong | 15:27 |
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| marie_ | nothing more ! | 15:27 |
| msimonin | marie_: ack | 15:28 |
| ad_ri3n_ | cool | 15:28 |
| ad_ri3n_ | so please do not forget to put your test plan draft on the pad ASAP | 15:29 |
| ad_ri3n_ | thanks | 15:29 |
| ad_ri3n_ | #topic ongoing-action-AMQP | 15:29 |
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| ad_ri3n_ | msimonin: ansmith kgiusti | 15:29 |
| ad_ri3n_ | ? | 15:29 |
| msimonin | yes ! | 15:29 |
| msimonin | So we've made some progress on the experimentation framework | 15:30 |
| kgiusti | nothing much from me this week - investigating some memory issues found by msimonin | 15:30 |
| * ad_ri3n_ is going through all the interesting links ;) | 15:30 | |
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| msimonin | I've put the most interesting things in the epad | 15:31 |
| msimonin | The more noticeable thing is that we now scale to 10K+ RPC agents :) | 15:31 |
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| ad_ri3n_ | :-) | 15:31 |
| ad_ri3n_ | How many PMs? | 15:31 |
| kgiusti | oh yeah! | 15:32 |
| msimonin | ad_ri3n_: The funny thing is that we don't need many Physical Machines | 15:32 |
| ad_ri3n_ | :-) | 15:32 |
| msimonin | we used approx 55 PMs | 15:32 |
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| msimonin | rpc clients sleeps most of the time | 15:32 |
| msimonin | in the workload we have | 15:32 |
| ad_ri3n_ | and containers/enosStack? | 15:32 |
| ad_ri3n_ | how do you emulate independency between agents? maybe you have not to ? | 15:33 |
| msimonin | that makes 10K-ish containers | 15:33 |
| ad_ri3n_ | ok | 15:33 |
| ad_ri3n_ | maybe it would make sense to give a look at solutions such as Distem | 15:33 |
| ad_ri3n_ | (or at least to better understand the positioning w.r.t enosStack) | 15:34 |
| ad_ri3n_ | to conduct such experiments | 15:34 |
| ad_ri3n_ | but anyway: welldone guys | 15:34 |
| ad_ri3n_ | still awesome what you succeed to achieve from the experiment viewpoint ! | 15:34 |
| msimonin | Javier is adding the latency constraints in the framework | 15:34 |
| ad_ri3n_ | ok | 15:35 |
| msimonin | We have big plans for the coming weeks :) | 15:35 |
| ad_ri3n_ | \o/ | 15:36 |
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| ad_ri3n_ | ok nothing more | 15:38 |
| ad_ri3n_ | ? | 15:38 |
| msimonin | nope | 15:38 |
| msimonin | sorry | 15:38 |
| ad_ri3n_ | #topic open-discussions | 15:38 |
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| ad_ri3n_ | so we have two points to discuss at least: | 15:38 |
| ad_ri3n_ | opportunities to see/collaborate with more folks from RedHat | 15:38 |
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| ad_ri3n_ | kgiusti: ansmith? | 15:38 |
| ad_ri3n_ | any news? in particular from the ones that are working on evaluating OpenStack WANWide? | 15:39 |
| ansmith | not many folks were around this week due to ONS, internal meetings | 15:39 |
| kgiusti | this has been a tough nut to crack. | 15:39 |
| ansmith | will double back on this next week | 15:40 |
| ad_ri3n_ | od | 15:40 |
| ad_ri3n_ | s/od/ok | 15:40 |
| ad_ri3n_ | some changes to see someone joining soon? It looks definitely relevant | 15:40 |
| ad_ri3n_ | Actually It is a suprise to see so many people attending events such as the F2F informal meeting yesterday at ONS | 15:41 |
| ad_ri3n_ | and only the best guys on this IRC .) | 15:41 |
| ad_ri3n_ | ;-) | 15:41 |
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| ad_ri3n_ | s/changes/chances | 15:41 |
| ad_ri3n_ | I don't know how we can attract more people and federate all the ongoing actions | 15:42 |
| ad_ri3n_ | in particular the ones that focus OpenStack | 15:42 |
| kgiusti | I'm not aware of anything specific - ansmith? | 15:42 |
| ad_ri3n_ | This looks to be a nonsense to work, each, on our side | 15:43 |
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| ansmith | there is some focus around multi-site, just need to track down those folks | 15:43 |
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| ad_ri3n_ | kgiusti: ansmith I pointed those guys during the PTG | 15:43 |
| ad_ri3n_ | you said that they are probably taking part to the OpenStack group @redhat | 15:43 |
| ad_ri3n_ | I do not remind the name unfortunately but I can find it if needed | 15:44 |
| ansmith | I believe it was Azhar and/or Sanjay, we had reached out to them before and will do so again | 15:45 |
| ad_ri3n_ | thanks ansmith for trying… highly appreciated ;-) | 15:45 |
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| ad_ri3n_ | I know also that people from IWinStack were interested to take part but we should try to identify concrete actions with them | 15:45 |
| ad_ri3n_ | any ideas of current actions we can start and that make sense for our working group | 15:46 |
| ad_ri3n_ | we talked a lot about evaluating cell V2 concept but it looks like the cell abstraction will only be related to nova in the future | 15:46 |
| ad_ri3n_ | so not sure whether we should bet on that | 15:46 |
| ad_ri3n_ | @dpertin will start to dive a bit more on Nova | 15:47 |
| ad_ri3n_ | to see what are the missing mechanisms/capabilities we should add in Nova | 15:47 |
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| ad_ri3n_ | in terms of edge requirements | 15:47 |
| msimonin | We'd like to evaluate multisite + qdr in the future | 15:47 |
| msimonin | qdr = qpid-dispatch-router | 15:47 |
| ad_ri3n_ | @msimonin great : can you add a note in the pad | 15:47 |
| ad_ri3n_ | my idea is to identify a few actions that make sense and to propose to iWinSTACK to see whether | 15:48 |
| msimonin | since you defer the routing to the messaging layer you could have site(cells) without actual cells | 15:48 |
| ad_ri3n_ | they might be interested to dig into | 15:48 |
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| ansmith | any pointers to iWinSTACK? not finding via googling | 15:49 |
| ad_ri3n_ | Chineese company | 15:49 |
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| ad_ri3n_ | https://www.openstack.org/foundation/board-of-directors/ | 15:50 |
| ad_ri3n_ | and looks for Joseph Wang | 15:50 |
| ad_ri3n_ | http://www.inwinstack.com/en/home/ | 15:50 |
| ansmith | thanks! | 15:51 |
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| ad_ri3n_ | they have implemented a few mechanisms from the OEC group | 15:51 |
| ad_ri3n_ | so they are familiar with the edge challenges | 15:51 |
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| ad_ri3n_ | they attended the SF event last september. I'm pretty sure they are good candidates for contributing to the SiG | 15:51 |
| ad_ri3n_ | ok | 15:53 |
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| ad_ri3n_ | so I open a new action in the epad. Please feel free to add any actions you would like to discuss/make progress on | 15:53 |
| ad_ri3n_ | nothing more from my side. | 15:53 |
| ad_ri3n_ | anything else? | 15:53 |
| msimonin | nothing from my side | 15:54 |
| ad_ri3n_ | maybe one question | 15:54 |
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| ad_ri3n_ | Guys are you evaluating ZMQ also? | 15:54 |
| dpertin | shall we discuss something regarding vancouver summit forum/f2f/...? | 15:54 |
| ad_ri3n_ | or it is definitely dead? | 15:54 |
| ad_ri3n_ | @dpertin we should indeed open a new bullet for that but we can probably discuss it next time. | 15:54 |
| kgiusti | ad_ri3n_: a moment of silence would be appropriate. | 15:54 |
| dpertin | ok | 15:54 |
| ad_ri3n_ | kgiusti: :-) | 15:55 |
| kgiusti | I've emailed both the operator's and the dev mailing list asking for volunteers to support it | 15:55 |
| kgiusti | so far no takers. | 15:55 |
| ad_ri3n_ | msimonin: ? | 15:55 |
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| ad_ri3n_ | it is also your opinon? | 15:55 |
| ad_ri3n_ | opinion? | 15:55 |
| ad_ri3n_ | ZMQ no way to test it? | 15:56 |
| ad_ri3n_ | it was a fully P2P approach so conceptually speaking | 15:56 |
| ad_ri3n_ | does it make sense to give it a look? | 15:56 |
| kgiusti | At oslo PTG it was decided to move it to deprecated. Currently we removed all zmq unit tests as they've been broken for months now. | 15:56 |
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| ad_ri3n_ | or what can be done with ZQM can also be done with qpid? | 15:56 |
| ad_ri3n_ | ok | 15:56 |
| ad_ri3n_ | thanks kgiusti | 15:57 |
| ad_ri3n_ | good to know | 15:57 |
| kgiusti | functionally yes - both support RPC | 15:57 |
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| ad_ri3n_ | I was thinking in terms of overlay/P2P concepts. but ok if it is dead…. RIP | 15:57 |
| kgiusti | unless some brave soul(s) come forward, yes RIP | 15:58 |
| ad_ri3n_ | ok two minutes left | 15:58 |
| ad_ri3n_ | :-) | 15:58 |
| ad_ri3n_ | inwinstack :D | 15:58 |
| ad_ri3n_ | stupid joke | 15:58 |
| ad_ri3n_ | ok | 15:58 |
| ad_ri3n_ | so if nothing more… enjoy the rest of the day | 15:58 |
| msimonin | ad_ri3n_: yes zmq is not a good bet | 15:58 |
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| ad_ri3n_ | and talk to you in two weeks | 15:59 |
| ad_ri3n_ | thanks guys ! have fun ! | 15:59 |
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| msimonin | actually I think this didn't scale well | 15:59 |
| msimonin | (the implementation) | 15:59 |
| ad_ri3n_ | #endmeeting | 15:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 28 15:59:26 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fog_edge_massively_distributed_clouds/2018/fog_edge_massively_distributed_clouds.2018-03-28-15.01.html | 15:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fog_edge_massively_distributed_clouds/2018/fog_edge_massively_distributed_clouds.2018-03-28-15.01.txt | 15:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fog_edge_massively_distributed_clouds/2018/fog_edge_massively_distributed_clouds.2018-03-28-15.01.log.html | 15:59 |
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| jungleboyj | #startmeeting cinder | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 28 16:00:07 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jungleboyj. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cinder' | 16:00 |
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| jungleboyj | Courtesy ping: jungleboyj DuncanT diablo_rojo, diablo_rojo_phon, rajinir tbarron xyang xyang1 e0ne gouthamr thingee erlontpsilva patrickeast tommylikehu eharney geguileo smcginnis lhx_ lhx__ aspiers jgriffith moshele hwalsh felipemonteiro lpetrut | 16:00 |
| tommylikehu | hi | 16:00 |
| _alastor_ | o/ | 16:00 |
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| e0ne | hi | 16:00 |
| jungleboyj | @! | 16:01 |
| _pewp_ | jungleboyj ( ^_^)／ | 16:01 |
| jungleboyj | Agenda: | 16:01 |
| jungleboyj | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-rocky-meeting-agendas | 16:01 |
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| ganso | hello | 16:01 |
| xyang | hi | 16:01 |
| tbarron | hi | 16:02 |
| lseki | hi | 16:02 |
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| patrickeast | o/ | 16:02 |
| smcginnis | o/ | 16:02 |
| jungleboyj | Welcome all. Give people another minute to join up. | 16:02 |
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| Swanson | Hi. | 16:03 |
| jungleboyj | Ah Swanson is here. Now we can start. | 16:03 |
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| Swanson | You may proceed. | 16:03 |
| jungleboyj | #topic announcements | 16:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "announcements (Meeting topic: cinder)" | 16:03 | |
| jungleboyj | First, Vancouver Topic Submission tool is now Open. | 16:03 |
| jungleboyj | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/YVR-cinder-brainstorming | 16:04 |
| jungleboyj | Right now all we have is in the etherpad. | 16:04 |
| jungleboyj | Anyone have other topics to propose? | 16:04 |
| smcginnis | Nothing from me. | 16:05 |
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| jungleboyj | Ok. | 16:05 |
| jungleboyj | Any concerns with submitting the topics we have in there? | 16:06 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj: I added MA topic | 16:06 |
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| xyang | jungleboyj: how much time do we have for the forum? | 16:06 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: Ah, good. Not a bad idea to continue that discussion. | 16:06 |
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| jgriffith | jungleboyj: I'd also like to consider Standalone/Container use Cinder if somebody other than just myself is interested in int | 16:07 |
| jungleboyj | xyang: I think each one is like 40 minutes of time to talk. | 16:07 |
| jgriffith | it | 16:07 |
| smcginnis | jgriffith: That would be good if we can get some user-side input on that and if anything more is needed. | 16:07 |
| smcginnis | MA | 16:07 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: Yeah. | 16:07 |
| e0ne | jgriffith: +1 for standalone cinder :) | 16:07 |
| jgriffith | smcginnis: multi-attach | 16:07 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: I know I am interested in that. | 16:07 |
| smcginnis | jgriffith: Yeah, I was just clarifying my comment was meant about the MA topic. | 16:07 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: What are you doing? | 16:08 |
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| jgriffith | jungleboyj: I dunno :) | 16:08 |
| smcginnis | Poor cinder, all alone. | 16:08 |
| jungleboyj | eharney: I am wondering if the tempest topic is appropriate for the forum. | 16:08 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Standing proud! | 16:08 |
| e0ne | smcginnis: :) | 16:08 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: It doesn't need to be lonely. | 16:08 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj: you mean don't update the ehterpad? | 16:08 |
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| jungleboyj | jgriffith: Now, I was watching you do it and couldn't figure out what you were trying to do? | 16:09 |
| smcginnis | eharney: We should connect with the qa team about the tempest topic. | 16:09 |
| tbarron | +1 for standalone cinder, we have a similar suggestion for manila | 16:10 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: So, worth submitting. | 16:10 |
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| e0ne | tbarro: do you want to steal this feature into manila? | 16:11 |
| e0ne | tbarron: ^ | 16:11 |
| tommylikehu | lol | 16:11 |
| e0ne | feature lifecycle: nova => cinder => manile => ? | 16:12 |
| jungleboyj | :-) | 16:12 |
| jungleboyj | e0ne: Yep. | 16:12 |
| smcginnis | And then horizon. :O | 16:12 |
| tbarron | e0ne: I know you are pulling my leg but manila can also run no-auth, run as dynamic external storage provider for k8s, be a CSI driver, etc. | 16:12 |
| e0ne | I need standalone horizon! | 16:12 |
| jungleboyj | tbarron: THat is good. | 16:13 |
| jgriffith | e0ne: LOL | 16:13 |
| xyang | tbarron: have you got someone to work on manila stand alone? | 16:13 |
| jungleboyj | So, moving on. I am going to leave the etherpad open one more week and pester you all again next week. Then will submit the topics. | 16:14 |
| tbarron | xyang: thanks for signing up! | 16:14 |
| * jungleboyj nominates xyang | 16:14 | |
| tommylikehu | xyang :) | 16:14 |
| e0ne | :) | 16:14 |
| xyang | tbarron: I"m not here!:) | 16:15 |
| jungleboyj | Other announcement is that os-brick 2.4.0 has been released. | 16:15 |
| jungleboyj | I had proposed one for stable/queens that was 2.3.1 . Not sure that that one has merged yet. | 16:16 |
| jungleboyj | Yep, looks like it did. | 16:16 |
| jungleboyj | #topic Rocky Priorities Review | 16:17 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Rocky Priorities Review (Meeting topic: cinder)" | 16:17 | |
| smcginnis | Yep, 2.3.1 went through this morning. | 16:17 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Thank you! | 16:17 |
| jungleboyj | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-spec-review-tracking | 16:17 |
| jungleboyj | So, haven't had a lot of action in here. | 16:18 |
| jungleboyj | tommylikehu: I saw a patch for Mark volume bekend or pool sold out but haven't seen a spec yet. | 16:18 |
| e0ne | I started work on scheduler HA spec | 16:18 |
| tommylikehu | jungleboyj: yeah | 16:18 |
| jungleboyj | Is that forthcoming? | 16:18 |
| jungleboyj | Oh, the Generic backup went in? | 16:19 |
| e0ne | I want to talk with geguileo first. I like an idea with etcd for it | 16:19 |
| tommylikehu | e0ne: great! | 16:19 |
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| jungleboyj | e0ne: Is that the update to the backup implementation spec that went in? | 16:20 |
| e0ne | jungleboyj: no, here is a draft https://review.openstack.org/#/c/556529/ | 16:20 |
| e0ne | I'm using https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-ptg-rocky-friday as a reference | 16:21 |
| e0ne | eharney, smcginnis: thanks for the feedback on spec! | 16:21 |
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| jungleboyj | e0ne: Ok. Cool. I will take a look at that one too. | 16:22 |
| jungleboyj | Who was going to be doing the Volume replication for in-use volumes spec? | 16:22 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj: the whosit whatsit? | 16:23 |
| * jgriffith really should've been in Ireland | 16:23 | |
| * smcginnis is confused too | 16:23 | |
| * jungleboyj agrees that jgriffith should have been there. | 16:24 | |
| jungleboyj | Was too quiet without you. | 16:24 |
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| jungleboyj | I thought that there was supposed to be a spec being created for Replicating in-use volumes. | 16:24 |
| e0ne | jgriffith: are you missing snow? :) | 16:24 |
| jgriffith | e0ne: haha | 16:25 |
| jgriffith | Isn't this the "sold out" spec? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/557112/ | 16:25 |
| smcginnis | Here's a pic from the PTG : https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/stephenking/images/e/e4/710.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20140512045133 | 16:25 |
| jungleboyj | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CinderRockyPTGSummary#Volume_replication_for_in-use_volumes | 16:25 |
| e0ne | smcginnis: :) | 16:25 |
| jgriffith | LOL | 16:25 |
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| jungleboyj | *laughing* | 16:26 |
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| smcginnis | jgriffith: You're not too far from where that supposedly took place either. | 16:26 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj: I don't understand that | 16:26 |
| jgriffith | the volume-replication one | 16:26 |
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| jgriffith | Is that my request regarding failover? | 16:27 |
| smcginnis | Is that migration via replication? | 16:27 |
| jgriffith | it kinda looks like it, but not very clear | 16:27 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: Ah, that is the spec. Thank you. | 16:27 |
| jgriffith | geesh | 16:27 |
| jgriffith | Really need to clarify that :) | 16:27 |
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| jgriffith | "update in-use volumes after replication failover" | 16:28 |
| jungleboyj | I am not remembering what that is either. | 16:29 |
| smcginnis | There's nothing about it on the notes etherpad from then either. | 16:29 |
| jungleboyj | There isn't? | 16:29 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj: I'm pretty sure the replication one is what I mentioned, given that I requested it | 16:29 |
| smcginnis | (jgriffith): Volume replication for in-use volumes | 16:29 |
| smcginnis | Line 100 - https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nova-ptg-rocky | 16:30 |
| jgriffith | and I mentioned it to Matt | 16:30 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: Ah, that is right. This was one you proposed. | 16:30 |
| jungleboyj | That work item and the one below don't have owners. | 16:30 |
| smcginnis | So just very poor naming on that title | 16:30 |
| jgriffith | yeah.. my bad | 16:31 |
| smcginnis | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2018-February/127750.html | 16:31 |
| jungleboyj | Sorry. | 16:31 |
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| smcginnis | If we don't have a nova spec up already for this, it ain't happening in Rocky. | 16:32 |
| jungleboyj | I can update the titles so that is less confusing. | 16:32 |
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| Swanson | smcginnis, It took 10 minutes to remember what it was. Ain't happening for Rocky. | 16:33 |
| smcginnis | We'll need to get ildikov to help, of course. :) | 16:33 |
| jgriffith | smcginnis: of course not, I mean.. we just released Q, how could we possibly work on something in R | 16:33 |
| jungleboyj | :-) Ok, so it sounds like this is one to follow up on in the next Cross Project meeting with ildikov | 16:33 |
| Swanson | jgriffith, involves nova. So not rocky, schadenfreude or tuppence. (Guessing at names.) | 16:34 |
| jungleboyj | I won't belabor that stuff further. | 16:35 |
| jungleboyj | *SMH* | 16:35 |
| jgriffith | mabye when we get back around to A? | 16:35 |
| jungleboyj | I don't think geguileo is here today. | 16:35 |
| jungleboyj | Paging geguileo | 16:35 |
| smcginnis | I do think our replication support does need more work. | 16:35 |
| Swanson | jgriffith, Aardvark | 16:35 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: :-) | 16:35 |
| smcginnis | Both as far as drivers supporting it, and as far as its general usefulness. | 16:35 |
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| * jungleboyj is waiting for jgriffith to explode | 16:36 | |
| e0ne | jungleboyj:AFAIR, geguileo is on vacation this week | 16:36 |
| jungleboyj | e0ne: Ok, we will skip the HA update then. | 16:36 |
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| * jungleboyj thinks he is being avoided. ;-) | 16:36 | |
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| Swanson | smcginnis, you know what I think v3 replication should be. | 16:36 |
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| jungleboyj | Oh God. | 16:36 |
| * jungleboyj is going to ban Swanson | 16:37 | |
| e0ne | :) | 16:37 |
| Swanson | jungleboyj, I am strong with the dark side today. | 16:37 |
| e0ne | jungleboyj: is it because we need to implement microversion 3.1 for replication? | 16:37 |
| jungleboyj | Yeah, we are all kind-of Saucey today. | 16:37 |
| jgriffith | smcginnis: so for the record, I don't disagree with you; it was a first pass and it's just kida sate there | 16:37 |
| jgriffith | s/sate/sat/ | 16:37 |
| jungleboyj | #topic Extending shows no error when scheduler rejects | 16:39 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Extending shows no error when scheduler rejects (Meeting topic: cinder)" | 16:39 | |
| jungleboyj | lseki: All yours | 16:39 |
| lseki | hi | 16:39 |
| lseki | if you have a volume, and try to extend it w/ openstack cli | 16:39 |
| lseki | to a size exceeding the available space on backend | 16:40 |
| lseki | there will be a error line on c-sch | 16:40 |
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| lseki | but nothing will happen besides that | 16:40 |
| e0ne | looks like we need 'user message' for this case | 16:40 |
| jungleboyj | e0ne: Yeah. | 16:40 |
| e0ne | #link https://docs.openstack.org/cinder/pike/contributor/user_messages.html | 16:40 |
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| lseki | the volume keeps its original size, and continue w/ 'available' status | 16:40 |
| lseki | may I report a bug about this? | 16:40 |
| e0ne | lseki: yes, please | 16:41 |
| smcginnis | It's an async call, so you won't get an error back. | 16:41 |
| jungleboyj | e0ne: ++ | 16:41 |
| smcginnis | But if we do not have a user message for that failure, we should add that. | 16:41 |
| smcginnis | Do we know there is not one? | 16:41 |
| e0ne | smcginnis: I didn't find in the code anything | 16:42 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: If it is failing at the scheduler why can't we do a message? | 16:42 |
| ganso | smcginnis: I haven't checked out user messages lately, but does this work on CLI? | 16:42 |
| jgriffith | ganso: +1 | 16:42 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: The API accepted the request. | 16:42 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Oh .... | 16:42 |
| smcginnis | ganso: I thought we had added getting those from the CLI. | 16:42 |
| jgriffith | but we haven't disconnected yet, no? | 16:42 |
| e0ne | scheduler code: https://github.com/openstack/cinder/blob/master/cinder/scheduler/manager.py#L401-L456 | 16:43 |
| jgriffith | I mean returned... we're still on the *right* side of the boundary | 16:43 |
| e0ne | we've got separate API for user messages | 16:43 |
| e0ne | async API errors should be available in messages API | 16:44 |
| smcginnis | #link https://docs.openstack.org/cinder/latest/contributor/user_messages.html | 16:45 |
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| smcginnis | If we don't have a way to get that via the CLI, we should add that. | 16:45 |
| smcginnis | That was definitely a miss in the implementation if so. | 16:45 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: I think we have a way to get that message. The question is if it got to openstack cli | 16:46 |
| smcginnis | That one is probably less likely. | 16:48 |
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| ganso | so a bug shouldn't be opened if there is a user message for this, right? | 16:48 |
| jungleboyj | The message-list command? | 16:48 |
| lseki | So I'll verify if there's a way to get user messages from openstack cli | 16:49 |
| lseki | If there isn't, I'll report a bug | 16:49 |
| jungleboyj | lseki: Yes, that would be an issue. | 16:49 |
| smcginnis | If not, that would be a bug (or story?) for openstacksdk. | 16:49 |
| smcginnis | If we do not have a user message in the extend code, then that's one for cinder. | 16:50 |
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| smcginnis | Looks like w send out a notification, but do not set an error. | 16:51 |
| smcginnis | At least in the scheduler. | 16:51 |
| e0ne | smcginnis: +1 | 16:51 |
| ganso | smcginnis: hmm aren't we still implementing new functionality in the cinderclient to port over to the openstack client later? | 16:51 |
| jungleboyj | ganso: Right. We haven't stopped implementing features in cinderclient. | 16:52 |
| ganso | jungleboyj: so if it isn't in cinderclient, it is a bug | 16:52 |
| jungleboyj | ganso: If what isn't? | 16:53 |
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| ganso | jungleboyj: this user-messages API | 16:53 |
| jungleboyj | ganso: Yes. | 16:53 |
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| jungleboyj | So, any more comments on that one at this point in time? | 16:55 |
| jungleboyj | lseki: Are you going to check those two items and open bugs if appropriate? | 16:55 |
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| lseki | jungleboy: yes I will | 16:55 |
| jungleboyj | lseki: Excellent. Thank you. | 16:55 |
| smcginnis | 5 minute warning. | 16:56 |
| lseki | jungleboyj: thanks :) | 16:56 |
| smcginnis | Err, 4 minute warning. | 16:56 |
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| jungleboyj | #action lseki to investigate if there is a user message for an extension failure. Also to investigate user message API support in openstack client and cinderclient | 16:56 |
| jungleboyj | #topic open discussion | 16:57 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: cinder)" | 16:57 | |
| tbarron | is cinder making any stable/branch policy changes in light of https://review.openstack.org/#/c/548916 ? | 16:57 |
| * jungleboyj looks at shadow ptl smcginnis | 16:58 | |
| tbarron | maybe a longer discussion ... | 16:58 |
| jungleboyj | tbarron: Yes, I think that is. I can put it on the Agenda for next week. I need to read that spec and then I think it would be good for us to make a collective discussion. | 16:59 |
| jungleboyj | I have not made any changes yet, but we need to decide what we want to do. | 16:59 |
| tbarron | jungleboyj: interested in your collective thinking on this | 17:00 |
| jungleboyj | tbarron: Agreed. | 17:00 |
| jungleboyj | Ok, I will put it on the agenda for next week. | 17:00 |
| jungleboyj | As it is time to wrap up for today. | 17:00 |
| jungleboyj | Thank you all for coming today and for working on Cinder. | 17:00 |
| jungleboyj | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 28 17:00:40 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2018/cinder.2018-03-28-16.00.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2018/cinder.2018-03-28-16.00.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2018/cinder.2018-03-28-16.00.log.html | 17:00 |
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| SotK | anyone around for the storyboard meeting? | 19:00 |
| * fungi is around | 19:00 | |
| fungi | diablo_rojo? | 19:01 |
| SotK | #startmeeting storyboard | 19:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 28 19:01:11 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SotK. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: storyboard)" | 19:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'storyboard' | 19:01 |
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| SotK | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/StoryBoard#Agenda_for_next_meeting Agenda | 19:01 |
| diablo_rojo | SotK, fungi around for meeting? | 19:01 |
| fungi | heh | 19:01 |
| fungi | diablo_rojo: is suffering from lag, from the looks of things | 19:02 |
| SotK | haha | 19:02 |
| diablo_rojo | Oh weird. | 19:02 |
| diablo_rojo | Here now | 19:02 |
| SotK | #topic Announcements | 19:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: storyboard)" | 19:02 | |
| diablo_rojo | my network connection was freaking out | 19:02 |
| fungi | i figured | 19:02 |
| SotK | Ironic migrated! | 19:03 |
| diablo_rojo | \o/ \o/ \o/ | 19:03 |
| diablo_rojo | #thanks fungi for working the weekend on migrating Ironic to StoryBoard! | 19:03 |
| fungi | yw | 19:03 |
| SotK | indeed, thank you! | 19:04 |
| fungi | tripleo-ui will happen as soon as we get the remaining topic:4-byte changes merged | 19:04 |
| fungi | as can openstackclient, sounds like? | 19:04 |
| fungi | (was that one of the other oens which had expressed interest but was waiting for 4-byte support?) | 19:04 |
| fungi | or maybe that was openstacksdk | 19:05 |
| diablo_rojo | And several others, though I will retest once that patch is merged | 19:05 |
| diablo_rojo | openstacksdk wants to go and migrated without issue | 19:05 |
| SotK | I will provide some reviews after the meeting | 19:05 |
| diablo_rojo | osc was held up by the utf8mb4 suport | 19:05 |
| fungi | note there is a corresponding configuration change you need (in the pending topic:4-byte change for project:openstack-infra/puppet-storyboard) | 19:06 |
| fungi | the dburi needs to include the charset so pymysql connects correctly | 19:06 |
| diablo_rojo | Makes sense | 19:06 |
| fungi | that may also warrant a documentation patch; i'll look into that today | 19:07 |
| * fungi stops derailing the announcements | 19:07 | |
| SotK | it probably needs that, or at least a patch to the sample config file in openstack-infra/storyboard | 19:07 |
| diablo_rojo | Lol | 19:07 |
| SotK | thanks for your work on this stuff too fungi :) | 19:08 |
| SotK | the other announcement is that Forum submissions are open | 19:08 |
| SotK | through to some point in April | 19:08 |
| diablo_rojo | DId we want to submit something? | 19:09 |
| SotK | could be interesting but idk if I'll be there | 19:09 |
| diablo_rojo | Don't really need operator feedback persay, but might be good to keep momentum going | 19:09 |
| fungi | might make sense to do another feedback session now that we've got more (and larger) teams using it in the openstack community | 19:09 |
| diablo_rojo | fungi, yeah feedback from users rather than operators I suppose | 19:09 |
| SotK | yeah, I expect a feedback session would be useful | 19:09 |
| diablo_rojo | SotK, maybe we can like google hangout you in? | 19:10 |
| diablo_rojo | SotK, don't suppose you applied for TSP did you? | 19:10 |
| fungi | right, feedback from devs using it, but also there may now be some users of their software who have started using it to report bugs | 19:10 |
| diablo_rojo | Ah good point. | 19:10 |
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| SotK | diablo_rojo: I did not | 19:10 |
| diablo_rojo | Sounds like I have a 4th forum topic I need to write a proposal for lol | 19:10 |
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| diablo_rojo | SotK, hrm, we could really use you there. | 19:11 |
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| fungi | but totally understand if you have something more fun to do in may than travel to the far side of north america | 19:11 |
| diablo_rojo | Also true | 19:11 |
| SotK | haha | 19:12 |
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| fungi | it's a longer flight for you than for diablo_rojo ;) | 19:12 |
| fungi | s/flight/drive? | 19:13 |
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| SotK | travelling to north america is still novel enough to be exciting, I will see how plausible it is for me to attend but I can't promise anything | 19:13 |
| diablo_rojo | Very true :) Contemplating train cause that would befun. | 19:13 |
| diablo_rojo | SotK, that works :) | 19:13 |
| SotK | otherwise google hangout or similar would be ok by me unless the timeslot was really late or something | 19:13 |
| fungi | diablo_rojo: last time we did vancouver i flew into portland and hopped on a train with some stackers from the bay area, then we picked up some more in seattle | 19:14 |
| diablo_rojo | party train! | 19:14 |
| fungi | the whole train car was stackhacking | 19:14 |
| diablo_rojo | SotK, I should be able to influence when the forum session takes place to fit your schedule if need be | 19:15 |
| diablo_rojo | fungi, that sounds awesome | 19:15 |
| SotK | sounds good | 19:15 |
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| SotK | that is it for announcements for now, hopefully next week there are more! | 19:16 |
| SotK | #topic Migration Updates | 19:16 |
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| diablo_rojo | I spent the last day and a half organizing the chaos that is the story tracking the migration into a pretty board. | 19:17 |
| diablo_rojo | I added all the missing projects (I think- poke me if there is one you don't see) | 19:17 |
| diablo_rojo | #link https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/board/45 Pretty Board | 19:17 |
| diablo_rojo | #link https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/2000876 Ugly Story | 19:18 |
| fungi | very nice | 19:18 |
| SotK | that board is nice | 19:19 |
| diablo_rojo | I need to go back and add details into the tasks that are sitting on the 'Tested, Contacted PTL' worklist | 19:19 |
| diablo_rojo | Saying where we are at- if anything is waiting on something, waiting for feedback, etc | 19:20 |
| diablo_rojo | I figured it was time to make better use of storyboard lol- I was tracking the info in like 3 different places and it was utter chaos | 19:21 |
| diablo_rojo | This is soooo much nicer. | 19:21 |
| diablo_rojo | Please give it a look and make sure I have all the projects though. | 19:21 |
| diablo_rojo | And that I actually have all the migrated ones in the last worklist. | 19:22 |
| diablo_rojo | Should be Sahara, Ironic, Cloudkitty, Octavia, Monasca... | 19:22 |
| diablo_rojo | fungi, you did releases the other week too right? | 19:22 |
| fungi | yep, release team has migrated | 19:23 |
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| fungi | the only bugs they had on lp were for the openstack/reno project, but i imported them without problem | 19:23 |
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| diablo_rojo | Okay cool. | 19:23 |
| dhellmann | the requirements team mentioned they're interested in migrating | 19:24 |
| dhellmann | either dirk or prometheanfire would be good contacts there | 19:24 |
| diablo_rojo | dhellmann, nice I can make reqs the next test migration I run | 19:24 |
| diablo_rojo | I will reach out to them with the results :) | 19:24 |
| dhellmann | ++ | 19:24 |
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| diablo_rojo | mordred, OpenStackSDK is still ready to go this Friday? | 19:26 |
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| diablo_rojo | Maybe if we get all the utf8mb4 stuff in by Friday we can do tripleO, OpenStackSDK & OSC? | 19:26 |
| * diablo_rojo sets a potentially lofty goal | 19:27 | |
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| fungi | well, the two outstanding changes are pretty tiny and already have a +2 each | 19:28 |
| fungi | and the coming documentation/sample config change will be pretty minor as well | 19:28 |
| diablo_rojo | Would be pretty sweet if we have three projects we can say migrated next week this time :) | 19:29 |
| fungi | so approval in the next two days sounds doable | 19:29 |
| SotK | I think that feels doable assuming no further surprises | 19:30 |
| diablo_rojo | Coolio. I thiink I've reviewed everything but I am happy to poke others to do so as well :) | 19:30 |
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| SotK | any other migration updates? | 19:31 |
| diablo_rojo | Nope. I don't think so. | 19:32 |
| SotK | #topic In Progress Work | 19:32 |
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| SotK | I think we've already covered the item on the agenda here, the utf8mb4 patches | 19:33 |
| SotK | I don't think I've done anything, it only seems 5 minutes since last Wednesday to me :/ | 19:33 |
| fungi | eh, turns out the additional db migration itself was fairly simple | 19:34 |
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| diablo_rojo | Thats okay SotK | 19:34 |
| diablo_rojo | Its nice when the solution is a simple one :) | 19:34 |
| fungi | though for whatever reason when we test apply migrations in our ci jobs, we don't catch that we have a couple columns too wide for unique under utf8mb4 with mysql 2.5/2.6 | 19:35 |
| fungi | possible we're testing against mysql 2.7+ now | 19:35 |
| fungi | fix for that is up for review | 19:35 |
| fungi | https://review.openstack.org/556626 For utf8mb4 shorten teams.name and users.email | 19:35 |
| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/556626 For utf8mb4 shorten teams.name and users.email | 19:35 |
| fungi | works better if i remember to use the link command | 19:35 |
| fungi | the corresponding config change we ended up needing is included in the corresponding puppet-storyboard change | 19:36 |
| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/555787 Use utf8mb4 for MySQL database charset | 19:36 |
| diablo_rojo | Once those get in I think there will be a small flood of projects able to migrate. | 19:37 |
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| fungi | as noted earlier, i'll get a documentation change pushed up to correct the sample config too | 19:37 |
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| * SotK opens them in tabs for later | 19:38 | |
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| SotK | anything else in progress? | 19:40 |
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| diablo_rojo | I saw fatema__ struggling with figuring out why her patch was failing | 19:40 |
| diablo_rojo | hadn't looked at it yet | 19:40 |
| diablo_rojo | Looks like py35 timed out again | 19:40 |
| diablo_rojo | py27 straight up failed | 19:40 |
| * SotK will take a look at that later too | 19:41 | |
| fungi | we may simply need to increase the timeout for py35 jobs | 19:42 |
| diablo_rojo | I have like two small webclient changes- the private label description and an updated description on the advanced search | 19:43 |
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| diablo_rojo | fungi, I think that would be a good idea- it seems to time out like...70% of the time | 19:43 |
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| SotK | oh yeah, I said I would look at those last week :/ | 19:44 |
| SotK | I will say it again this week and hopefully stick to it | 19:44 |
| fungi | i looked at a few timed-out runs and there wasn't any obvious pause, things just seemed to generally take a while | 19:44 |
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| diablo_rojo | how do we up the time? (having never done anything with zuul before idk where to start) | 19:45 |
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| diablo_rojo | Happy to take that on though with a little direction. | 19:45 |
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| fungi | i don't know right off the top of my head (pretty sure it's just a couple lines of configuration) but can dig up some examples | 19:47 |
| diablo_rojo | An example would be perfect. | 19:47 |
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| SotK | anything else or shall we talk about blocking migration stories? | 19:49 |
| diablo_rojo | I think we can move on | 19:49 |
| SotK | #topic Blocking Migration Stories | 19:50 |
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| SotK | #link https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/search?tags=blocking-storyboard-migration | 19:50 |
| diablo_rojo | woah, this is taking a long time to load | 19:50 |
| SotK | yeah, we should probably do something about that | 19:51 |
| diablo_rojo | Okay- all good now just took a while | 19:51 |
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| mordred | diablo_rojo: yup! | 19:51 |
| SotK | yeah, I suspect its the same issue noticed over the weekend with zuulv3 | 19:52 |
| diablo_rojo | mordred, awesome :) | 19:52 |
| SotK | anyway, there are some stories there in various states, some have things waiting for review I think, and most of the others are things with small fixes | 19:53 |
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| diablo_rojo | Yeah. | 19:54 |
| diablo_rojo | I just wanted to add this as a standing item so that we are more aware of the things people see as barriers to migration. | 19:54 |
| fungi | my suspicion is that it's one of: we have some very expensive query going on there which has been impacted by the recent import of lots and lots of new stories, or something has happened to impact performance of the trove instance hosting the database | 19:54 |
| fungi | (on the recent performance hit) | 19:54 |
| SotK | diablo_rojo: that's probably a good idea, hopefully there start to be more "merged" stories on there :) | 19:55 |
| SotK | that matches my suspicion, it seems to be worst when filtering by tag which makes me more suspicious of the first possibility | 19:56 |
| diablo_rojo | fatema__ has volunteered to do the bot I think? | 19:56 |
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| diablo_rojo | SotK, can confirm- slower when tags than searching users | 19:57 |
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| diablo_rojo | And just searching by a keyword too | 19:57 |
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| SotK | I can try to find time to run some tests locally to see if its a problem on our end before it gets much worse | 19:59 |
| fungi | i'll get a quick row count on the tags table | 19:59 |
| SotK | oh, we are out of time | 20:00 |
| fungi | we have 510 rows in the storytags table on storyboard.o.o now | 20:00 |
| SotK | to #storyboard! | 20:00 |
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| fungi | thanks SotK! | 20:00 |
| SotK | #endmeeting | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 20:00 | |
| SotK | thanks all! | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 28 20:00:46 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:00 |
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| notmyname | swift meeting time | 21:00 |
| notmyname | #startmeeting swift | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 28 21:00:26 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is notmyname. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'swift' | 21:00 |
| notmyname | who's here for the swift team meeting? | 21:00 |
| m_kazuhiro | o/ | 21:00 |
| mattoliverau | o/ | 21:00 |
| joeljwright | o/ | 21:00 |
| rledisez | hi o/ | 21:00 |
| kota_ | hi | 21:00 |
| notmyname | welcome | 21:01 |
| notmyname | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Swift | 21:01 |
| notmyname | should be mostly updates to ongoing stuff this week | 21:01 |
| notmyname | not sure where everyone else is | 21:02 |
| notmyname | but I think we can get started anyway | 21:02 |
| notmyname | #topic versioned writes and quoted names | 21:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "versioned writes and quoted names (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:02 | |
| notmyname | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/swift/+bug/1755554 | 21:02 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1755554 in OpenStack Object Storage (swift) "Percent signs in object names cause trouble for versioned_writes" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Kota Tsuyuzaki (tsuyuzaki-kota) | 21:02 |
| notmyname | that's a bug I menetioned in the last few meetings | 21:02 |
| notmyname | and kota_ has a patch! https://review.openstack.org/#/c/555245/ | 21:03 |
| patchbot | patch 555245 - swift - Fix versioned writes error with url-encoded object... | 21:03 |
| notmyname | thanks kota_ | 21:03 |
| kota_ | :) | 21:03 |
| mattoliverau | \o/ | 21:03 |
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| notmyname | now it's simply a matter of reviews | 21:03 |
| * kota_ is waiting it gets reviewed. | 21:03 | |
| notmyname | speaking of patches that need reviews... | 21:03 |
| notmyname | #topic losf patches | 21:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "losf patches (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:03 | |
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| notmyname | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/447129/ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/548034/ need reviews | 21:04 |
| patchbot | patch 447129 - swift - Configure diskfile per storage policy | 21:04 |
| patchbot | patch 548034 - swift - Add optional parameters to common/utils fallocate() | 21:04 |
| notmyname | but https://review.openstack.org/#/c/548589/ landed! | 21:04 |
| patchbot | patch 548589 - swift - Change object_audit_location_generator() to yield ... (MERGED) | 21:04 |
| notmyname | #topic container sharding status | 21:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "container sharding status (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:04 | |
| notmyname | last week I'd shared a proposed timeline for getting sharding landed | 21:04 |
| notmyname | listed on https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Swift/PriorityReviews | 21:05 |
| notmyname | I'm not changing what's writted down (yet), but of course as soon as I'd told everyone that, tim got asked to work on something else for a little bit | 21:05 |
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| mattoliverau | Lol | 21:05 |
| notmyname | I expect that will make sharding a little later than we expect | 21:05 |
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| timburke | hello | 21:06 |
| notmyname | acoles is in san francsico this week, so there's good conversatiosn around that | 21:06 |
| kota_ | i see | 21:06 |
| kota_ | sounds great | 21:06 |
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| notmyname | current work on the feature/deep branch is looking at recon stats so we can report progress and making sure it's possible to manually start a sharding process via CLI tools | 21:07 |
| notmyname | kota_: yeah, that's why i wanted to say that before we got to s3api schedules, because you were worried about conflicts ;-) | 21:07 |
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| notmyname | #topic s3api status | 21:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "s3api status (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:07 | |
| kota_ | notmyname: ;) | 21:07 |
| notmyname | on the meeting agenda, kota_ says he expects it to be ready to merge in 1 or 2 weeks | 21:08 |
| notmyname | which sounds great! | 21:08 |
| notmyname | thank you for the work on that | 21:08 |
| kota_ | yup | 21:08 |
| notmyname | #topic priority review status | 21:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "priority review status (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:08 | |
| notmyname | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Swift/PriorityReviews | 21:09 |
| kota_ | i think I needs 1 or 2 more patches except outstandings but they should not be so big. | 21:09 |
| notmyname | which gets us to the priority review page in general | 21:09 |
| notmyname | kota_: that's good | 21:09 |
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| kota_ | and then, i think they will be able to land at the feature branch soon. | 21:09 |
| mattoliverau | Nice work kota_ | 21:09 |
| kota_ | ok | 21:09 |
| notmyname | aside from the stuff I've already mentioned in here today, we've got patch 427911 and p 532595 | 21:10 |
| patchbot | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/427911/ - swift - Replace MIME with PUT+POST for EC and Encryption | 21:10 |
| patchbot | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/532595/ - swift - Use X-Timestamp when checking object expiration | 21:10 |
| kota_ | i'll update priority reviews for s3api | 21:10 |
| notmyname | kota_: good. ping me when you do, and we'll figure out how to do the merge itself | 21:10 |
| timburke | oh! i should go propose a (minor) breaking change to feature/s3api based on the irc message this morning... | 21:10 |
| notmyname | I think the s3api merge will be direct from the current feature branch | 21:10 |
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| kota_ | and thanks notmyname, mattoliverau for your review in the docs patch. | 21:10 |
| notmyname | timburke: code import for now. small scope == we can acutally get it done. baby steps. bigger fish to fry, and all that | 21:11 |
| notmyname | :-) | 21:11 |
| timburke | notmyname: it *is* tiny and it smooths over a rough point | 21:11 |
| timburke | (plus it gets rid of a config option) | 21:11 |
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| notmyname | timburke: I have a resounding "meh" to that | 21:13 |
| kota_ | timburke: less config would be nice :D | 21:13 |
| notmyname | sure, less configs are wonderful | 21:13 |
| notmyname | #topic open discussion | 21:13 |
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| notmyname | oh, there was a survey about the future of the PTG that you probably got in your email | 21:14 |
| notmyname | please take a look at it | 21:14 |
| notmyname | shouldn't take you more than a few minutes to fill out | 21:14 |
| notmyname | anything else from anyone this week? | 21:15 |
| notmyname | oh! m_kazuhiro I had a question for or from you. let me see if I can find it | 21:15 |
| mattoliverau | I'll try and take a look at kota_s bug patch, but I only have a short day today and then on a 4 day weekend so might not happen until next week | 21:16 |
| notmyname | m_kazuhiro: ah. there it is. I was wondering if you could respond on patch 532595 and say if your -1 still stands or not | 21:16 |
| patchbot | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/532595/ - swift - Use X-Timestamp when checking object expiration | 21:16 |
| mattoliverau | And going camping so no laptop.. which will feel weird :p | 21:16 |
| kota_ | mattoliverau: enjoy | 21:16 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: thanks | 21:16 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: don't let the drop bears take you | 21:17 |
| timburke | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/556683/ would be nice to have; it allows swift3/s3api to override the notion of etag for an SLO (see also: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/302475/) | 21:17 |
| patchbot | patch 556683 - swift - Respect X-Backend-Etag-Is-At headers from left of SLO | 21:17 |
| patchbot | patch 302475 - swift3 - Include '-' in multipart ETags | 21:17 |
| mattoliverau | ;) | 21:17 |
| notmyname | kota_: and everyone else: the swift3 patches that timburke mentions are some things that we (swiftstack) will want to integrate into feature/s3api after it lands. we're carrying some unmerged patches for swift3 right now, and nobody likes that | 21:18 |
| m_kazuhiro | notmyname: ok. I will check the patch today again. And I reply my current opinion. | 21:18 |
| notmyname | m_kazuhiro: thank you | 21:18 |
| notmyname | anything else from anyone? | 21:19 |
| notmyname | all right,then. let's call it done | 21:20 |
| notmyname | thanks for all your work on swift | 21:20 |
| notmyname | #endmeeting | 21:20 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 28 21:20:46 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:20 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2018/swift.2018-03-28-21.00.html | 21:20 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2018/swift.2018-03-28-21.00.txt | 21:20 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2018/swift.2018-03-28-21.00.log.html | 21:20 |
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