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| gagehugo | #startmeeting security | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 15 15:01:48 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gagehugo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: security)" | 15:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'security' | 15:01 |
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| gagehugo | o/ | 15:02 |
| gagehugo | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/security-agenda | 15:02 |
| gagehugo | anyone around? | 15:03 |
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| ttx | o/ | 15:04 |
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| gagehugo | ttx o/ | 15:04 |
| gagehugo | lhinds fungi eeiden | 15:04 |
| gagehugo | I think lhinds won't make it today | 15:04 |
| ttx | sorry I'm attending two meetings at the same time, so let me know when my topic starts :) | 15:05 |
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| eeiden | That's all good, can definitely catch up later | 15:05 |
| gagehugo | you can go now if you'd like, I think the first two topics don't have much to cover | 15:05 |
| gagehugo | otherwise with short attendance we can push to next week when lhinds is back | 15:06 |
| gagehugo | eeiden ok | 15:06 |
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| gagehugo | #topic Keystone Threat Analysis | 15:07 |
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| gagehugo | I need to do that still, move the findings to the patchset for the analysis doc | 15:07 |
| * gagehugo puts it on his todo list | 15:08 | |
| gagehugo | #topic Spectre/Meltdown mitigation | 15:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Spectre/Meltdown mitigation (Meeting topic: security)" | 15:08 | |
| gagehugo | ttx o/ | 15:08 |
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| ttx | o/ | 15:09 |
| gagehugo | This is from the discussion at the PTG right? | 15:09 |
| ttx | OK just a quick update on actions I said I'd do at the PTG | 15:09 |
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| gagehugo | ok cool | 15:09 |
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| ttx | I reached out to kashyap regarding te exposure of PCID CPU capabilities | 15:09 |
| ttx | He confirmed he had it covered | 15:09 |
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| ttx | I also reached out to jaypipes regarding the option of running the scheduler in a "One tenant per host" granularity mode | 15:10 |
| fungi | i am around, but paying closer attention in the tc office hour | 15:10 |
| gagehugo | fungi o/ ok | 15:10 |
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| ttx | The discussion on that was a bit disrupted by #snowpenstack | 15:11 |
| gagehugo | heh | 15:11 |
| ttx | He said it was possible but tricky, and future work could facilitate it | 15:11 |
| gagehugo | hmm ok | 15:11 |
| ttx | i don't think we need to concern ourselves (as the Security SIG) much more at that stage | 15:11 |
| gagehugo | maybe worth keeping an eye on for now at least? | 15:12 |
| ttx | Just a general need to keep up with what's happening in that area and making sure the openstack community is aware of the situation / optimizations available | 15:12 |
| gagehugo | ok | 15:12 |
| gagehugo | ttx I'll put some notes down to be aware | 15:14 |
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| ttx | thanks! | 15:15 |
| gagehugo | #topic LCOO | 15:15 |
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| gagehugo | I think I'd like to have lhinds in for this, can move to next week | 15:15 |
| gagehugo | #topic Performance loss mitigation | 15:16 |
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| gagehugo | this seems like the same topic as spectre/meltdown | 15:17 |
| gagehugo | yeah | 15:17 |
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| gagehugo | #topic Bandit | 15:17 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bandit (Meeting topic: security)" | 15:17 | |
| gagehugo | not sure if browne is around | 15:18 |
| gagehugo | couple ps up for review | 15:18 |
| gagehugo | otherwise not much updates | 15:18 |
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| gagehugo | #topic Tatu Update | 15:18 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Tatu Update (Meeting topic: security)" | 15:18 | |
| gagehugo | Not sure what Pino's irc is or if he is here? | 15:19 |
| gagehugo | #topic OSSN | 15:20 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OSSN (Meeting topic: security)" | 15:20 | |
| ttx | heh | 15:20 |
| gagehugo | don't think there's any updates here | 15:21 |
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| gagehugo | #topic VMT | 15:21 |
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| gagehugo | same as before, I will update the keystonemiddleware doc | 15:22 |
| gagehugo | #topic General Discussion | 15:22 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "General Discussion (Meeting topic: security)" | 15:22 | |
| gagehugo | Does anyone have anything else? | 15:22 |
| gagehugo | otherwise will end a bit early | 15:22 |
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| gagehugo | thanks everyone! | 15:25 |
| gagehugo | #endmeeting | 15:25 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 15:25 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 15 15:25:15 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:25 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2018/security.2018-03-15-15.01.html | 15:25 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2018/security.2018-03-15-15.01.txt | 15:25 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2018/security.2018-03-15-15.01.log.html | 15:25 |
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| melwitt | #startmeeting nova | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 15 21:00:13 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is melwitt. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova' | 21:00 |
| tssurya | o/ | 21:00 |
| melwitt | hello peeps | 21:00 |
| dansmith | o/ | 21:00 |
| edleafe | \o | 21:00 |
| efried | @/ | 21:00 |
| mriedem | o/ | 21:00 |
| melwitt | #topic Release News | 21:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Release News (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:01 | |
| melwitt | #link Rocky release schedule: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/Rocky_Release_Schedule | 21:01 |
| melwitt | next milestone is r-1/spec freeze on Apr 19 | 21:01 |
| melwitt | I was thinking we'll do a spec review day, will mention that in reminders | 21:01 |
| melwitt | (it's on the agenda, I mean) | 21:02 |
| melwitt | anyone else have anything for release news? | 21:02 |
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| melwitt | okay | 21:02 |
| melwitt | #topic Bugs (stuck/critical) | 21:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bugs (stuck/critical) (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:02 | |
| melwitt | no critical bugs in the query | 21:02 |
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| melwitt | #link 47 new untriaged bugs https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?search=Search&field.status=New | 21:03 |
| melwitt | untriaged bug count is up, which I think is not too surprising because of the PTG and everyone being busy with that | 21:03 |
| melwitt | need to get back to triaging those down | 21:03 |
| melwitt | #link bug triage how-to: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/BugTriage#Tags | 21:04 |
| melwitt | ^ instructions on how to do bug triage. first tag with a category, then set importance/validity | 21:04 |
| melwitt | #link untagged untriaged bugs: https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?field.tag=-*&field.status%3Alist=NEW | 21:04 |
| melwitt | we have 12 untagged bugs, so people have been good about applying categories to bugs | 21:04 |
| melwitt | but we need more people to dive into an area and set validity and importance on bugs in the area they're familiar | 21:05 |
| melwitt | #help tag untagged untriaged bugs with appropriate tags to categorize them | 21:05 |
| melwitt | #help consider signing up as a bug tag owner and help determine the validity and severity of bugs with your tag | 21:05 |
| melwitt | if you're a bug tag owner, please do take a look and see if there's anything new to triage for your bug tag | 21:05 |
| melwitt | #link check queue gate status http://status.openstack.org/elastic-recheck/index.html | 21:06 |
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| melwitt | today there were problems with the latest zuul security fixes, so zuul was having POST_FAILUREs | 21:06 |
| melwitt | that has recently been resolved, so it's safe to recheck your patches now | 21:06 |
| melwitt | #link 3rd party CI status http://ci-watch.tintri.com/project?project=nova&time=7+days | 21:07 |
| melwitt | that link isn't opening for me | 21:07 |
| melwitt | but from anecdotal experience, it seems like 3rd party CI has been okay for the most part | 21:08 |
| melwitt | anything else on bugs or gate status? | 21:08 |
| dansmith | so, | 21:08 |
| dansmith | I haven't seen the xen driver vote in a while, | 21:08 |
| dansmith | including on those xen patches for live migration (I don't think they have a live test, but still) | 21:08 |
| melwitt | hm, good point | 21:09 |
| melwitt | being that we have xenapi driver work slated for rocky | 21:09 |
| dansmith | I mean, there are some green checks there, | 21:09 |
| dansmith | so I dunno | 21:09 |
| dansmith | but it might be worth figuring out if there's something going on there | 21:09 |
| dansmith | those guys aren't around during these hours though | 21:09 |
| dansmith | anyway, just another gut data point | 21:10 |
| mriedem | i tend to only look for virt driver specific CI on virt driver specific patches | 21:10 |
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| mriedem | but i will hold up a +1/+2 until i see it | 21:10 |
| melwitt | yeah, let me look into it and reach out to the xenapi peeps to make sure we have CI going for it | 21:10 |
| dansmith | right, I noticed it on the xen patches | 21:10 |
| dansmith | or rather, didn't notice it | 21:10 |
| melwitt | #action melwitt to look into xen driver CI and reach out to the xen people if needed | 21:11 |
| melwitt | cool, thanks for bringing that to attention | 21:11 |
| melwitt | anyone have anything else on bugs or gate status or 3rd party CI? | 21:11 |
| melwitt | #topic Reminders | 21:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Reminders (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:12 | |
| melwitt | #info Rocky PTG nova session summaries are being sent out to the dev ML this week and will continue the following week if needed | 21:12 |
| melwitt | I'm writing up the non-placement PTG session summaries and sending them to the dev ML. will continue next week if I don't finish them this week | 21:12 |
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| tssurya | thanks for doing this | 21:12 |
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| melwitt | big thank you to jaypipes, mriedem, and cdent and anyone else who contributed to the placement summary | 21:13 |
| melwitt | #help Need one or two volunteers to help with the 40 minute Nova on-boarding session at the summit | 21:13 |
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| dansmith | I did it the last two times, | 21:13 |
| dansmith | the most recent being not as useful it seemed | 21:14 |
| dansmith | so maybe it's me :) | 21:14 |
| melwitt | it was probably me since that was my first time helping with an onboarding session :| | 21:14 |
| mriedem | no no no, | 21:14 |
| mriedem | you were all equally bad | 21:14 |
| edleafe | nah, it had to be me | 21:14 |
| melwitt | aw thanks mriedem | 21:14 |
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| mriedem | edleafe: i was implicitly including you | 21:15 |
| dansmith | so maybe we should have some newer people do it | 21:15 |
| dansmith | I'll be glad to be in the room | 21:15 |
| melwitt | I'll be one of the speakers, so if you'd like to help out with onboarding, please let me know and I'll add you to the list so I can tell kendall | 21:15 |
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| edleafe | I'll be busy prepping for the placement talk with efried | 21:16 |
| efried | Was this the session where sdague showed slides with log extracts and talked through them? | 21:16 |
| mriedem | yes | 21:16 |
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| efried | and mriedem made fun of the PowerVM driver? | 21:16 |
| mriedem | in boston | 21:16 |
| mriedem | i did? | 21:16 |
| dansmith | I did | 21:16 |
| dansmith | I don't think mriedem was in there, IIRC | 21:17 |
| mriedem | heh, i was for part of it | 21:17 |
| mriedem | our collective memories suck | 21:17 |
| dansmith | right but not up front? | 21:17 |
| melwitt | I was only in the room for the last 10 or 20 minutes so I missed that | 21:17 |
| dansmith | anyway | 21:17 |
| dansmith | I definitely made fun of powervm | 21:17 |
| dansmith | once I knew efried was in there | 21:17 |
| efried | Anyways... If the timing works out, I don't mind being in the room to field questions. | 21:17 |
| efried | Not sure how much use I'll be, but maybe able to give a noob's perspective. | 21:17 |
| mriedem | i volunteer efried to be up front | 21:17 |
| dansmith | +1 for efried being up front | 21:17 |
| efried | vay | 21:17 |
| mriedem | +gibi | 21:18 |
| mriedem | there | 21:18 |
| mriedem | it's a party | 21:18 |
| dansmith | that would be a good combo | 21:18 |
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| dansmith | if gibi is in | 21:18 |
| efried | Hah, poor gibi_vacation | 21:18 |
| melwitt | cool. well, fwiw I think it would help to have newer perspectives when giving an onboarding session | 21:18 |
| melwitt | alright | 21:18 |
| efried | Based on the probably-faulty assumption that I actually understand anything at this point. | 21:18 |
| dansmith | efried: I'll be there to point out anything you get slightly wrong | 21:19 |
| dansmith | don't worry | 21:19 |
| melwitt | pff, you understand stuff | 21:19 |
| efried | oh, THANK you dansmith. Then I'm in. | 21:19 |
| dansmith | "actually efried, that's a CAPITAL F" | 21:19 |
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| melwitt | cool, I think it will go well :) | 21:19 |
| efried | I'll give you a capital F... | 21:19 |
| edleafe | Heh, the people in the audience won't know if you screw up | 21:19 |
| efried | 'cept when dansmith points it out | 21:19 |
| efried | Okay, okay. | 21:20 |
| * efried has thick ears and can take it. | 21:20 | |
| melwitt | I'm gonna try to prepare some stuff this time. apparently there's a format that the foundation and upstream institute would like if we used, so I'm gonna learn about that and see if/how we can incorporate some of it to have on-hand depending on what a poll of the room decides they'd like to hear | 21:20 |
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| melwitt | anything else on onboarding? | 21:21 |
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| melwitt | #info Rocky spec freeze is about a month out, Apr 19. Need to be thinking about when to have a Rocky spec review day. melwitt will post to the dev ML to gather input about what date we should schedule it | 21:21 |
| melwitt | we've had spec review days in the past, so I was thinking we should do one for rocky. only thing not sure about is the date we should pick, so I'll send email to the dev ML to gather input on when we should do it | 21:22 |
| melwitt | #link Rocky Review Priorities https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/rocky-nova-priorities-tracking | 21:22 |
| melwitt | ^ looks like people have been using the priorities etherpad, which is great. please keep using it as your place to find things to review and add your items where applicable | 21:23 |
| melwitt | there are sections for non-priority approved blueprints, trivial bug patches, the various virt drivers, subteams, osc-placement, and so on | 21:23 |
| melwitt | which leads into ... | 21:24 |
| melwitt | #info We're going to be experimenting with a new non-priority blueprint tracking a reviewing process this cycle: "runways" and melwitt is writing up a rough draft on how it will work and gather input, then document it and communicate it to the dev ML | 21:24 |
| dansmith | I feel like if we're going to do this, we need to be doing it like yesterday | 21:24 |
| melwitt | the "runways" idea has been talked about in the past, many cycles ago, and this cycle we're going to try it out | 21:24 |
| dansmith | I dunno how other people feel, | 21:24 |
| efried | dansmith: ++ | 21:24 |
| dansmith | but the longer we wait the harder it'll be | 21:24 |
| dansmith | I kinda hoped to have more closure on the idea at ptg | 21:25 |
| dansmith | like, a plan | 21:25 |
| melwitt | I agree. I'm sorry it didn't get started earlier but I was on PTO last week and this week I'm writing a bunch of session summaries | 21:25 |
| efried | If there are open questions, perhaps we can talk through during Open Discussion here? | 21:25 |
| melwitt | oh, I see. well, I hope it will be pretty straightforward. I'm basically going to write up my understanding of what's on the PTG etherpad about it | 21:25 |
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| melwitt | I don't want it to get stuck in committee but just wanted to keep it open to some amount of feedback before just going ahead, if that makes sense | 21:26 |
| dansmith | right, so, | 21:26 |
| dansmith | I think we just need to pick some details and run with them | 21:26 |
| dansmith | we can discuss some more, but we either need to do it or punt to next cycle I think | 21:26 |
| melwitt | agreed, it's not going to be perfect and I'm 100% expecting this will be, just do something and adjust it as we go | 21:26 |
| melwitt | I didn't mean for it to sound like I want to spend a lot of time designing it. I was thinking a week at most | 21:27 |
| efried | I just heard dansmith volunteer to have it written up by EOD. | 21:28 |
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| dansmith | no, melwitt already said she was doing it | 21:28 |
| dansmith | which is cool, | 21:28 |
| melwitt | if dansmith is willing to do it, that would be great. I just figured no one else wanted to do it | 21:28 |
| * efried puts away pokeystick and stfu | 21:28 | |
| melwitt | so if someone else wants to write up an etherpad, please feel free :) else, I'll do it and send it out and get quick feedback and then we roll with the plan and adjust along the way | 21:29 |
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| melwitt | anything else on runways? | 21:30 |
| claudiub|2 | don't run-away from reviewing them? :D | 21:30 |
| melwitt | heh | 21:30 |
| dansmith | claudiub|2: you had one good one today, don't push it | 21:30 |
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| melwitt | #topic Stable branch status | 21:31 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Stable branch status (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:31 | |
| melwitt | #link stable/queens: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:stable/queens,n,z | 21:31 |
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| melwitt | several backports there but looks like they're getting reviews | 21:31 |
| melwitt | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:stable/pike,n,z | 21:31 |
| melwitt | same with pike ^ | 21:32 |
| melwitt | #link stable/ocata: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:stable/ocata,n,z | 21:32 |
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| mriedem | #link EOL is EOL https://review.openstack.org/#/c/548916/ | 21:32 |
| melwitt | I was about to ask about that | 21:32 |
| dansmith | more like EOL is dumpsterfire | 21:33 |
| melwitt | okay, so stable branches are to remain open for as long as reasonably possible | 21:33 |
| mriedem | yar | 21:33 |
| mriedem | people will come help as a result, | 21:34 |
| mriedem | and everyone will be happy | 21:34 |
| melwitt | well, there ya go | 21:34 |
| dansmith | and you get a pony | 21:34 |
| dansmith | and you get a pony | 21:34 |
| dansmith | and you get a pony | 21:34 |
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| melwitt | okay, well, that seems okay. sounds like it means things go EOL when things are broken and too high cost to keep the branch anymore | 21:35 |
| mriedem | we'll cut another release on stable, | 21:35 |
| mriedem | once mnaser's reverts are merged | 21:35 |
| dansmith | except we can't delete branches that are broken and in between branches that work, right? | 21:35 |
| melwitt | cool | 21:35 |
| mnaser | Ill keep following them through | 21:35 |
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| melwitt | dansmith: I would think not but AFAIK that hasn't happened before. (has it?) | 21:36 |
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| dansmith | it can't happen with the current policy | 21:36 |
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| dansmith | anyway, I'm just throwing stones, move along :) | 21:37 |
| mriedem | if Pike stops working and we delete it, we'd have to delete ocata too | 21:37 |
| melwitt | well, what I mean is when we've had queens/pike/ocata I have only seen a job break on ocata, not anywhere in the middle. but I see your point that the window for it being observable has been really small | 21:37 |
| dansmith | mm, I think it's broken in the middle before, but it certainly *can* happen | 21:37 |
| dansmith | more releases, more potential | 21:37 |
| melwitt | fair | 21:38 |
| melwitt | okay, so something for everyone to be aware of | 21:38 |
| melwitt | #topic Subteam Highlights | 21:38 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Subteam Highlights (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:38 | |
| melwitt | dansmith: cells v2 | 21:38 |
| dansmith | we had a meeting, discussed a bunch of in-progress stuff, | 21:39 |
| dansmith | including bugs and features, lots of stuff up from tssurya, pretty good consensus on a new bug that got filed | 21:39 |
| dansmith | everything's good I think | 21:39 |
| melwitt | cool, thanks | 21:39 |
| melwitt | edleafe: scheduler | 21:39 |
| edleafe | Some brief discussion about the spec for supporting traits in Glance to give operators more control over where their images are run. | 21:39 |
| edleafe | The 'member_of' API change was holding up the Request Filter series; that patch is now complete and awaiting Tempest recheck. | 21:39 |
| edleafe | We got somewhat risqué and talked about Forbidden Traits. | 21:39 |
| edleafe | cdent updated us on the patch moving ResourceProvider objects to placement. | 21:39 |
| edleafe | We ended the meeting deciding what should be authoritative about traits. The issue was that the virt driver could set traits, and then the operator could unset them. The driver would then re-set them, and this could go on forever. | 21:40 |
| edleafe | The discussion spilled over into -nova, where we decided that there would be a set of traits defined that a compute node would have domain over. Operators can then set any others without worrying about them getting overwritten. | 21:40 |
| edleafe | That's it | 21:40 |
| melwitt | cool, thanks | 21:40 |
| melwitt | there aren't any notes for the notifications subteam from gibi | 21:40 |
| melwitt | anything else on subteams? | 21:40 |
| melwitt | #topic Stuck Reviews | 21:40 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Stuck Reviews (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:40 | |
| melwitt | nothing on the agenda. does anyone have anything for stuck reviews? | 21:41 |
| melwitt | #topic Open discussion | 21:41 |
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| melwitt | there are several specless blueprints on the agenda | 21:41 |
| melwitt | first up, dansmith for CPU weigher | 21:41 |
| dansmith | yeah, so stephen wants this approved, | 21:41 |
| dansmith | a new weigher for spreading due to cpu allotment | 21:42 |
| dansmith | weighers are good, I don't imagine this is controversial | 21:42 |
| dansmith | so I imagine we should approve it | 21:42 |
| melwitt | yeah, seems like the addition of a new weigher should be fine | 21:42 |
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| melwitt | anyone else have opinions about a new CPUWeigher? | 21:43 |
| melwitt | okay, I'll ask about it in -nova later when more people are around | 21:44 |
| melwitt | next is from mriedem, adding granular policy code to placement | 21:44 |
| mriedem | -ops list would be more useful, but | 21:44 |
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| mriedem | we agreed at the ptg to do granular placement policy | 21:44 |
| mriedem | just don't know if i need to write a spec | 21:44 |
| dansmith | mriedem: we have ops that want it, in case it's not obvious :D | 21:44 |
| mriedem | psh, | 21:44 |
| mriedem | i don't trust red hat customer ops | 21:44 |
| mriedem | i thought stephen just wanted it for his own pet scheduler | 21:45 |
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| melwitt | the bp is really old, from 2014 and it was from someone else, Charlotte Han | 21:45 |
| mriedem | this placement granular policy thing, all rules would default to admin-only as today | 21:45 |
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| mriedem | i personally don't care about the cpu weigher | 21:46 |
| mriedem | but, | 21:46 |
| dansmith | I think there was wide agreement about this, | 21:46 |
| mriedem | i could see a bunch of people wanting to add more weighers | 21:46 |
| dansmith | I don't think we need a spec for it.. it's mechanical | 21:46 |
| mriedem | just cuz | 21:46 |
| dansmith | mriedem: weighers that work on our fundamental data structures are good right? | 21:47 |
| melwitt | I guess I don't see what's wrong with adding more weighers | 21:47 |
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| dansmith | weighers to do crazy things, totally agree | 21:47 |
| mriedem | they are all on by default aren't they | 21:47 |
| mriedem | by i guess the default weight factor isn't? | 21:47 |
| dansmith | wanting to land on the least-overcommitted node is pretty common | 21:47 |
| mriedem | so by default, the weigher doesn't do anything | 21:47 |
| mriedem | rihgt? | 21:47 |
| dansmith | are they all on by default? | 21:47 |
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| mriedem | pretty sure | 21:47 |
| mriedem | weight_classes = nova.scheduler.weights.all_weighers | 21:48 |
| dansmith | but you tweak them on or off | 21:48 |
| dansmith | whether you want to pack or spread with this for example | 21:48 |
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| mriedem | by the weight option i think | 21:49 |
| mriedem | e.g. ram_weight_multiplier = 1.0 | 21:49 |
| dansmith | yeah | 21:49 |
| mriedem | and we already have weighers for ram and disk | 21:49 |
| dansmith | this exact point by the way.. we have the for things like ram | 21:49 |
| mriedem | so sure, add cpu | 21:49 |
| dansmith | right | 21:49 |
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| melwitt | okay, so sounds like we agree CPUWeigher is cool to approve, and so is the granular policy, we agreed about it at the PTG and the question was whether it needs a spec, and it doesn't need a spec | 21:50 |
| mriedem | left a comment in the bp, i'm good with it | 21:50 |
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| melwitt | okay, next on the agenda is from gibi, specless bp for including traceback in versioned error notifications | 21:51 |
| dansmith | I think we agreed on this at ptg too, | 21:51 |
| melwitt | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/add-full-traceback-to-error-notifications | 21:51 |
| dansmith | or at least I don't think I heard anyone say anything about why we shouldn't have this right? | 21:51 |
| melwitt | yeah, I don't remember any disagreement | 21:51 |
| mriedem | gibi was going to find out why it wasn't in the versoined notifications to start, | 21:52 |
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| mriedem | which was discussed in the original versoined notification spec, | 21:52 |
| mriedem | and people were just worried about tracebacks and unstructured blobs, | 21:52 |
| mriedem | but we have that in the rest api today so meh | 21:52 |
| mriedem | and it's in the legacy notificatoins | 21:52 |
| mriedem | seems like a non-issue | 21:52 |
| dansmith | it's a for-humans text field | 21:53 |
| dansmith | it seems fine to me | 21:53 |
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| melwitt | yeah, I think he explains why it wasn't originally in the notifications in the bp | 21:53 |
| mriedem | typos are not intentional, just typing fast | 21:53 |
| melwitt | okay, so we're cool to approve that one too then | 21:53 |
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| melwitt | next is specless blueprint for xenapi aggregate removal (and related alternate pool implementation) from dansmith | 21:54 |
| melwitt | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/live-migration-in-xapi-pool | 21:54 |
| dansmith | this also was discussed at ptg, | 21:54 |
| dansmith | and I think we should obviously approve it | 21:54 |
| dansmith | it will end up removing the aggregate upcall from the xen driver, | 21:54 |
| dansmith | and moves to an actually-usable pool model for them | 21:54 |
| dansmith | so, fixes workiness and removes an upcall, | 21:54 |
| dansmith | all with just driver maintenance | 21:54 |
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| melwitt | yeah. the host aggregate upcall thing is broken today IIUC, so they need to do this work to fix it | 21:55 |
| mriedem | they don't have the up-call removal patch up yet right? | 21:55 |
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| dansmith | so is the actual aggregate pool as far as I understand | 21:55 |
| dansmith | mriedem: they don't | 21:55 |
| dansmith | mriedem: they're implementing the new scheme and will follow that with removing the other stuff | 21:55 |
| dansmith | makes for less churn anyway | 21:55 |
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| dansmith | so I think it's appropriate | 21:55 |
| mriedem | yeah multiple patches is good | 21:55 |
| mriedem | i'm happy with this | 21:55 |
| mriedem | jianghuaw_ and co do nice work | 21:55 |
| melwitt | okay, so we will approve that one | 21:56 |
| melwitt | next is specless blueprint for versioned notification when removing members from a server group from takashin | 21:56 |
| melwitt | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/add-server-group-remove-member-notifications | 21:56 |
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| melwitt | mriedem and I have commented on the bp already | 21:56 |
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| melwitt | we agreed it's not useful to notify for the quota recheck removing a server group member | 21:57 |
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| mriedem | i want to see the PoC before we approve the bp | 21:57 |
| mriedem | "As for the other scenario (deleting a server) that is more straight-forward but I'd like to see the proposed code for that, since it would likely involve needing to lookup the group that the server is in *before* we delete it, since there is no specific method to remove a server group member when an instance is deleted, it's all implicit." | 21:58 |
| melwitt | yes, so we'll hold off on that one and let takashin know to propose the PoC | 21:58 |
| dansmith | 1.5 minutes | 21:58 |
| melwitt | last is SpecLess blueprint (not sure if it's required, but I filed one anyway): libvirt-cpu-model-extra-flags from kashyap | 21:58 |
| melwitt | yeah | 21:58 |
| dansmith | yeah this is important for several reasons, but meltdown specifically | 21:59 |
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| dansmith | there's agreement on the code already | 21:59 |
| dansmith | tests notwithstanding | 21:59 |
| melwitt | okay, cool. so that one should be approved | 21:59 |
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| melwitt | we have like 30 seconds left so have to wrap up now. thanks everyone | 21:59 |
| mriedem | if it's a bp, | 21:59 |
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| melwitt | #endmeeting | 21:59 |
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| mriedem | do you plan on backporting this? | 22:00 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 15 21:59:59 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2018/nova.2018-03-15-21.00.html | 22:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2018/nova.2018-03-15-21.00.txt | 22:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2018/nova.2018-03-15-21.00.log.html | 22:00 |
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