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| zioproto | hello all | 10:55 |
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| makowals | Hi | 10:56 |
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| oneswig | Greetings... just getting things together, 1 min | 10:58 |
| ma9_ | Hi | 10:59 |
| zioproto | hello | 10:59 |
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| oneswig | #startmeeting scientific_sig | 11:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Feb 14 11:00:10 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is oneswig. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 11:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 11:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: scientific_sig)" | 11:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'scientific_sig' | 11:00 |
| oneswig | hi all | 11:00 |
| oneswig | #link Agenda for today https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Scientific_SIG#IRC_Meeting_February_14th_2018 | 11:00 |
| ttsiouts_ | hi! | 11:00 |
| belmoreira | o/ | 11:00 |
| oneswig | Got a few good things to cover today, let's get going! | 11:01 |
| daveholland | morning | 11:01 |
| oneswig | #topic CFPs and conferences | 11:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "CFPs and conferences (Meeting topic: scientific_sig)" | 11:01 | |
| b1airo | evening | 11:01 |
| oneswig | I saw a couple. Anyone else with one to announce - please do! | 11:01 |
| oneswig | hi b1airo | 11:01 |
| oneswig | #chair b1airo | 11:01 |
| openstack | Current chairs: b1airo oneswig | 11:01 |
| b1airo | a'lo oneswig | 11:01 |
| oneswig | Tim Randles passed on details of the ScienceCloud workshop in Arizona, June 11th | 11:02 |
| oneswig | #link ScienceCloud workshop https://sites.google.com/site/sciencecloudhpdc/ | 11:02 |
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| oneswig | The HPCAC workshop is coming up in Lugano, 9-12 April | 11:03 |
| oneswig | #link HPCAC conference https://www.cscs.ch/publications/press-releases/swiss-hpc-advisory-council-conference-2018-hpcxxl-user-group/ | 11:03 |
| mpasserini | welcome to Lugano! | 11:03 |
| oneswig | Any others to report? | 11:03 |
| zioproto | I will be in Lugano as well | 11:03 |
| oneswig | Hi mpasserini - good to see you. Ready for HPCAC? | 11:03 |
| oneswig | excellent, I hope to return as well. | 11:03 |
| oneswig | 1 question - does everyone also attend HPCXXL on the 4th day or is that restricted attendance? | 11:04 |
| b1airo | this is all starting to sound like an excuse for why i need to go | 11:04 |
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| oneswig | get on it b1airo | 11:04 |
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| b1airo | isn't HPCXXL IBM specific? | 11:05 |
| mpasserini | I'll join the XXL, I'm not sure about how the restriction works, I can ask | 11:05 |
| b1airo | sounds like DellXL/DellHPC but for IBM/Lenovo | 11:06 |
| oneswig | be interesting to know how the two events fit together. | 11:06 |
| oneswig | b1airo: interest starting to fade... | 11:06 |
| b1airo | :-) | 11:06 |
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| oneswig | b1airo: you can probably call in on your way home from Dell in Austin, if you're going that way! | 11:07 |
| oneswig | OK, are there other events to announce, if not lets move on | 11:08 |
| oneswig | #topic Ironic for bare metal infrastructure management | 11:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Ironic for bare metal infrastructure management (Meeting topic: scientific_sig)" | 11:08 | |
| oneswig | OK - there's quite a bit going on here. | 11:08 |
| oneswig | CERN team, would you like to describe your project? | 11:09 |
| * johnthetubaguy picks up his ear trumpet | 11:09 | |
| makowals | Hi all | 11:09 |
| oneswig | Hi makowals, welcome | 11:09 |
| makowals | Since quite some time now we are running Ironic for our users | 11:09 |
| makowals | At the moment we have ~600 physical nodes in use | 11:10 |
| makowals | They cover various use cases - we have "autonomous" users whose only request is to get physical resource, but we are also running Ironic for ourselves, what means we are deploying hypervisors using ironic | 11:10 |
| makowals | And then offer virtual machines in a standard way to the users | 11:11 |
| oneswig | Is that a Bifrost servicde? | 11:11 |
| makowals | Don't know what "bifrost" is, so I would guess no | 11:11 |
| oneswig | Ah, it's basically Ironic run without OpenStack | 11:12 |
| makowals | Then no, we have Ironic fully integrated with the rest of OpenStack | 11:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | I guess the VM cloud is a totally separate cloud from the ironic one? | 11:12 |
| priteau | Are you using TripleO? | 11:12 |
| b1airo | or just different cells? | 11:12 |
| makowals | We have only separate cells for the ironic nodes | 11:12 |
| makowals | But it still runs as one cloud | 11:13 |
| makowals | This design works well for us at this moment | 11:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | are you doing anything to help users understand what images work where? | 11:13 |
| zioproto | makowals: do you have a link to a blog post or to a documentation site where who is interested can go into the details ? | 11:13 |
| makowals | johnthetubaguy: Our current strategy with the images is to tell our users "you can use the same images as you are used to use with VMs, but now they also work with the physical machines" | 11:14 |
| makowals | zioproto: No, no any blog post yet | 11:14 |
| oneswig | would be great to see something on openstack-in-production | 11:14 |
| ildikov | oneswig: +1 | 11:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | makowals: ah, interesting, that works I guess | 11:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | oneswig: +1 | 11:15 |
| makowals | Yes, the use cases I described work correctly, users are happy at the moment | 11:15 |
| priteau | We do the same thing on Chameleon: we generate images with diskimage-builder that work both on KVM and bare-metal | 11:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | priteau: GTK | 11:15 |
| makowals | We have also one more use case in hand which is containers-on-bare-metal. We don't expose it yet, but the works are in quite advanced state | 11:15 |
| b1airo | makowals: for your "undercloud" Ironic cells (those you use to provision your hypervisors), are you just relying on policy and cells scheduler restrictions to stop end-users accessing these? | 11:16 |
| oneswig | makowals: You've got something like 20 models of server in the cloud, right? Does that cause issues for creating bare metal images or are they comprehensive for all hardware? | 11:16 |
| makowals | b1airo: We are using both cell and flavor separation to keep users from accessing the nodes they shouldn't touch | 11:16 |
| makowals | oneswig: No, so far we did not have any issues regarding images compatibility between different hardware models | 11:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | cells are quite nice for that (at least in the v1 world) | 11:17 |
| makowals | However one big problem for now is lack of software RAID support in Ironic, this is the biggest thing our users complain on now | 11:17 |
| makowals | There is a RFE open for that though | 11:18 |
| makowals | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic/+bug/1590749 | 11:18 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1590749 in Ironic "RFE: LVM/Software RAID support in ironic-python-agent" [Wishlist,Confirmed] | 11:18 |
| b1airo | makowals: also curious about security - you must have quite a few users with admin various levels of admin permission. any issues managing that within this all-encompassing environment? | 11:18 |
| makowals | b1airo: Do you mean "admin permissions" for the operators running the cloud, or user-side? | 11:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | makowals: ah software raid rather than the existing clean steps that configure hardware raid? or different RAID config based on flavor? | 11:19 |
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| b1airo | makowals: just wait another couple of years and software raid will be effectively obsolete with everything running on NVMe | 11:19 |
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| makowals | johnthetubaguy: First step would be software raid instead of the current hardware raid setup, but as a next improvement it would be nice to be able to configure raid dynamically, according to the user's request | 11:19 |
| b1airo | yes, admin permissions across a large set of operators | 11:20 |
| makowals | b1airo: Our set of operators is quite small at this moment, so it's one team running all the Openstack services | 11:20 |
| oneswig | makowals: we are very keen on that level of capability too! | 11:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | makowals: I am glad mark and I are working on that with traits :) | 11:20 |
| makowals | Regarding SW/HW raid, it's more political, there are constant fights between these two camps ;) | 11:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | makowals: we should point you at the specs to make sure they work for your use case, sounds identical | 11:21 |
| priteau | makowals: Sounds like more generally you need custom partitioning which would include LVM and SW RAID | 11:21 |
| makowals | priteau: Yes, exactly this | 11:21 |
| oneswig | makowals: There was also some work relating to automating the on-boarding of new hardware, right? | 11:21 |
| makowals | oneswig: Ahhh yes, this is the other side of the project | 11:22 |
| makowals | So at CERN we have another team responsible for the process of onboarding the hardware arriving on site | 11:22 |
| makowals | They are using multiple in-house made tools and databases to handle this process | 11:22 |
| makowals | Recently we started to work with them to possibly first -- integrate their tools into our deploy image, next -- move their "onboarding" scripts into Ironic "inspection" phase, and last -- to merge their database with Ironic's one | 11:23 |
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| priteau | Nice. What does onboarding include in this context? Burn-in and hardware inventory? | 11:24 |
| makowals | At this moment what we would like to see in Ironic is ability to add more states into the "node's lifecycle graph" | 11:24 |
| makowals | priteau: Yes, burn-in/testing and getting the inventory | 11:24 |
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| oneswig | makowals: same instance of Ironic as the production environment, I guess? | 11:25 |
| makowals | At this very moment we are trying to move their "stuff" into the "inspection" state in ironic | 11:25 |
| makowals | oneswig: I did not get the last question, sorry | 11:25 |
| oneswig | as in, you're using the same Ironic service for on-boarding new hardware as for managing bare metal deployments in the production cloud? | 11:26 |
| makowals | Yes, that's the same Ironic deployment | 11:26 |
| zioproto | what do you mean with "burn-in" ? | 11:26 |
| oneswig | That's interesting to know, thanks | 11:26 |
| makowals | zioproto: CPU, memory, disk and network tests | 11:27 |
| makowals | Also running some benchmarks to check if the node's performance is as expected | 11:27 |
| makowals | And to detect any discrepancies inside nodes from the same delivery | 11:27 |
| oneswig | makowals: this is like an extended version of the hardware benchmarks you can enable in inspection, I guess? | 11:27 |
| priteau | makowals: Adding more states to the lifecycle graph would be quite intrusive into the Ironic codebase. Have you considered adding tags to your nodes to describe the "sub-state" of the inspection? | 11:27 |
| makowals | oneswig: Yes, but we don't want to run it all the time when we do "node-inspect", that's why our need for a new state or something providing this functionality | 11:28 |
| makowals | priteau: How would that work with tagging the node? | 11:29 |
| johnthetubaguy | seems a bit like a clean step, would that work? | 11:29 |
| johnthetubaguy | i.e. clean before it becomes available | 11:29 |
| makowals | johnthetubaguy: Yes, but then we don't want it to be run every time the instance is deleted as our burn-in takes 1-2 weeks | 11:29 |
| oneswig | makowals: I wonder if you could select by changing which deploy image is associated with the node? | 11:29 |
| makowals | In fact we are getting into our next issue which is cleaning, repurposing and retirement | 11:30 |
| priteau | If your deploy could query the Ironic API (might need to embed some credentials), it could to a `node show` to check which tags have been added to the node object. If there is e.g. a tag saying "ram:ok", don't run RAM tests | 11:30 |
| makowals | oneswig: I don't think that would do the job, as it's more custom hardware driver describing what's done during the process | 11:30 |
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| makowals | priteau: Oh yes, something like this would work perfectly, it's just the issue with doing "ironic node" from the deploy image which is problematic in terms of credentials | 11:31 |
| makowals | But thanks for the idea, this is definitely something to investigate more | 11:31 |
| priteau | create a user with only read-only privileges via policy.json | 11:31 |
| oneswig | makowals: what were the issues with cleaning? | 11:32 |
| b1airo | you could even pass in a short-lived pre-baked token | 11:32 |
| makowals | Moving forward, the issue we see with cleaning is similar. For the standard cleaning we only want to delete data from the disk to have it clean. But there are more complicated cases where for example the machine is going to be used by a different user and we need to make a thorough cleaning of the machine | 11:32 |
| johnthetubaguy | the new keystone application credentials stuff should make that easier | 11:32 |
| makowals | So something like different cleaning paths depending on what is going to happen with the machine afterwards | 11:33 |
| oneswig | At cleaning time, who can predict the next user? | 11:33 |
| b1airo | the egg oneswig | 11:34 |
| makowals | Me as an operator, I request the user to delete his instances because I know I'm going to repurpose the machine | 11:34 |
| priteau | Regarding cleaning, anyone ever used those disk encryption keys to make all data unreadable very quickly? | 11:34 |
| makowals | At this moment we only play with erasing disk metadata and shreding | 11:34 |
| johnthetubaguy | I think we are doing that on the SKA AlaSKA machine | 11:34 |
| oneswig | priteau: I believe we do - I've just come across blkdiscard for the same result (on SSD) | 11:34 |
| johnthetubaguy | I think its already built into the clean steps in Ironic | 11:35 |
| makowals | Yes, it's just matter of configuring it to use exactly what you need, but the implementation is done | 11:35 |
| b1airo | should call a 2 minute warning here for us to move on to the next topic... | 11:35 |
| makowals | Ok | 11:36 |
| makowals | So for our use case the current cleaning could stay as it is, but we would appreciate something to be able to execute a "clean better" procedure | 11:36 |
| b1airo | i'm curious how cells v2 might shake things up (read: break the world) here? | 11:36 |
| johnthetubaguy | ATA secure erase was the phrase I couldn't remember | 11:36 |
| johnthetubaguy | the scheduling is global in the v2 world, i.e. placement has all hosts in its DB | 11:36 |
| oneswig | makowals: an effective erase is instant on SSDs - and secure erase works for hdds - is there a need for anything quicker? | 11:37 |
| makowals | I think we don't foresee bigger problems with going to cells v2, correct me belmoreira if I'm wrong | 11:37 |
| belmoreira | b1airo: scheduling will be more challenging | 11:37 |
| makowals | oneswig: Secure erase has to be supported by the disk | 11:37 |
| oneswig | ah, ok, got it | 11:37 |
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| makowals | That's our problem with having such a bit granularity with the hardware arriving | 11:37 |
| b1airo | i'm sure you are up to the challenge belmoreira! | 11:37 |
| oneswig | we had a related discussion - came by on the openstack-dev list - what do people do in Ironic for managing firmware updates? | 11:38 |
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| oneswig | our policy has been to check during cleaning and fail cleaning if the firmware version does not match an expected version string. Then manually upgrade from maintenance mode. | 11:38 |
| makowals | On our side, we did not start to implement anything in this are yet, but we are aware this problem should be solved | 11:39 |
| makowals | s/are/area | 11:39 |
| makowals | At the same time we also want to focus on regenerating ipmi/bmc credentials | 11:39 |
| oneswig | priteau: what happens on chameleon? | 11:39 |
| priteau | oneswig: on Chameleon we have a separate API and client which can check that various hardware details (including BIOS firmware version) match what's expected. But it's not integrated in the ironic workflow. | 11:40 |
| oneswig | #link this is the widget for Dell BIOS upgrade checks in node cleaning https://github.com/stackhpc/stackhpc-ipa-hardware-managers | 11:41 |
| priteau | oneswig: Thanks! It looks like we could use this :) | 11:42 |
| oneswig | Share and enjoy :-) | 11:42 |
| oneswig | Let's move on - final thoughts on this? | 11:42 |
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| oneswig | #topic SWITCH - Kubernetes-as-a-Service | 11:42 |
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| oneswig | Hi zioproto - ready? | 11:43 |
| zioproto | hello all | 11:43 |
| zioproto | yes | 11:43 |
| b1airo | zioproto: how much for that? :-) | 11:43 |
| zioproto | so at SWITCH we are working on Kubernetes, do understand how far we can go for a K8s as a service | 11:43 |
| zioproto | we are running k8s on openstack instances | 11:43 |
| zioproto | we deploy with this ansible playbook | 11:43 |
| zioproto | #link https://github.com/zioproto/k8s-on-openstack | 11:43 |
| oneswig | kargo, or your own? | 11:44 |
| zioproto | the playbook will create the instances for you | 11:44 |
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| b1airo | watch the stars on that repo go up | 11:44 |
| zioproto | oneswig: forked from an existing project of a company called infraly | 11:44 |
| zioproto | see fork history on github | 11:44 |
| zioproto | it uses kubeadm in the code | 11:44 |
| zioproto | for the users | 11:44 |
| zioproto | the idea is to give them just the ~/.kube/config file | 11:45 |
| zioproto | The key idea is to reuse the existing openstack username and password to login into K8s. | 11:45 |
| johnthetubaguy | is there a quick way to compare this to Magnum creating the k8s clusters? | 11:45 |
| belmoreira | zioproto: is this a shared cluster for all the users? | 11:45 |
| zioproto | johnthetubaguy: Magnum has a dependency on Heat, because we are running always several releases behind, we decided not to use that | 11:45 |
| zioproto | belmoreira: it is possible, hold on let me explain the rest | 11:46 |
| johnthetubaguy | zioproto: cool, makes sense | 11:46 |
| zioproto | thanks to Dims that developed this code | 11:46 |
| zioproto | #link https://github.com/dims/k8s-keystone-aut | 11:46 |
| zioproto | is possible to delegate to keystone the authentication and the authorization | 11:46 |
| zioproto | but we use only the authentication part | 11:46 |
| oneswig | #link I think it was https://github.com/dims/k8s-keystone-auth | 11:47 |
| zioproto | so keystone just tells k8s, that I am really that user, and that my token is really scoped to a certain group | 11:47 |
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| zioproto | I can create a RBAC rule un k8s | 11:47 |
| zioproto | where kind: Group is a keystone project | 11:47 |
| zioproto | so I can use the same cluster for all the users | 11:47 |
| zioproto | where every user see just a namespace | 11:47 |
| zioproto | or all users of a keystone project see 1 namespace | 11:48 |
| zioproto | BUT | 11:48 |
| zioproto | there is a bug BUT | 11:48 |
| zioproto | depending on the network solution you have | 11:48 |
| zioproto | you have to implement your self the multi-tenancy at the network level | 11:48 |
| zioproto | at the moment in our solution all pods are on the same network | 11:48 |
| zioproto | so users are confined with actions to 1 namespace | 11:48 |
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| zioproto | but I can for example connect over the network to a pod of a different name space | 11:48 |
| zioproto | at the moment we fixed the IPv6 support | 11:49 |
| zioproto | #link https://github.com/kubernetes/kubernetes/pull/59749 | 11:49 |
| zioproto | we are planning to deploy our Horizon | 11:49 |
| zioproto | on top of this Kubernetes | 11:49 |
| zioproto | and expose horizon on IPv4 and IPv6 using the nginx-ingress-controller | 11:49 |
| zioproto | that runs as a docker container with host networking on the controller | 11:49 |
| zioproto | so can expose both IPv4 and IPv6 | 11:49 |
| zioproto | the cluster internally is IPv4 | 11:50 |
| zioproto | and we use the Neutron integration | 11:50 |
| zioproto | so each pod is assigned a subnet | 11:50 |
| zioproto | and the k8s master talks to neutron | 11:50 |
| zioproto | and injects routes into the neutron router | 11:50 |
| zioproto | so that each pod subnet so routed to the right VM | 11:50 |
| zioproto | questions so far ? | 11:50 |
| oneswig | What are SWITCH users doing with it? | 11:50 |
| zioproto | #link https://cloudblog.switch.ch/2017/11/15/deploy-kubernetes-v1-8-3-on-openstack-with-native-neutron-networking/ | 11:50 |
| zioproto | oneswig: not yet released to users. At the moment we are running our staging Horizon deployment | 11:51 |
| zioproto | as soon as the IPv6 patch I linked in merged in k8s, we go in production with horizon | 11:51 |
| zioproto | then we will be ready to offer this to the users | 11:51 |
| b1airo | so dogfood first? | 11:51 |
| zioproto | b1airo: right | 11:51 |
| zioproto | we still have a problem capturing the Horizon python logs | 11:52 |
| zioproto | because | 11:52 |
| zioproto | our docker container | 11:52 |
| zioproto | is based on Apache + WSGI | 11:52 |
| zioproto | Docker intercept STDERR and STDOUT of Apache | 11:52 |
| armstrong | Why do you need docker containers on kubernetes? | 11:53 |
| zioproto | but WSGI is yet a new process in the container | 11:53 |
| zioproto | armstrong: I mean, a pod is collection of docker containers | 11:53 |
| zioproto | we wrote the Dockerfile for our Horizon deployment | 11:53 |
| belmoreira | zioproto: so it's you (operators) managing the cluster size for all users | 11:54 |
| b1airo | all sounds like great work that lots of others will want to replicate | 11:54 |
| zioproto | armstrong: we used Kubernetes with Docker containers, I am not aware of other container platforms supported by k8s | 11:54 |
| zioproto | belmoreira: right | 11:54 |
| zioproto | armstrong: maybe I did not understand the question ? | 11:54 |
| belmoreira | belmoreira: In this case you do you charge? | 11:54 |
| armstrong | @zioproto Ok I see | 11:54 |
| zioproto | when you do | 11:54 |
| zioproto | kubectl logs podname | 11:55 |
| zioproto | basically is a wrapper on docker logs containername | 11:55 |
| b1airo | interesting that we have heard about two distinct OpenStack use-cases this evening where the control-plane is merging into the production cloud | 11:55 |
| zioproto | to conclude, I hope we go to production in the next weeks with the Horizon deployment | 11:55 |
| oneswig | b1airo: good point. The stratification blurs! | 11:55 |
| zioproto | we will run Horizon Pike on top of our Openstack Newton cluster | 11:55 |
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| b1airo | on that note, do other deployments have a notion of tiers of OpenStack services? | 11:56 |
| zioproto | once we learn more about the platform, we will offer it first to other teams inside SWITCH, and then to our cloud users | 11:56 |
| oneswig | Did you consider running Heat from Pike and Magnum as an alternative? | 11:56 |
| zioproto | oneswig: no, and I can explain why | 11:57 |
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| zioproto | oneswig: we prefer keeping the Openstack footprint small. As few projects as possible. This is because Upgrades are difficult | 11:57 |
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| b1airo | i had the same question next too | 11:57 |
| zioproto | oneswig: we want a solution indipendent from a Openstack upgrade | 11:58 |
| zioproto | when I upgrade openstack, I dont want to upgrade magnum too | 11:58 |
| b1airo | fair point zioproto, though there are no longer many upgrade dependencies across services | 11:58 |
| oneswig | Final comments, the hour is upon us | 11:59 |
| johnthetubaguy | stable rest APIs has helped with the inter service stuff | 11:59 |
| belmoreira | zioproto: do you have a way to enforce quotas to users? | 11:59 |
| zioproto | belmoreira: I dont know yet | 11:59 |
| zioproto | I guess it is possible if you can enforce quota to namespaces | 11:59 |
| zioproto | in k8s namespaces I mean | 12:00 |
| zioproto | join on slack #sig-openstack to get updates on this | 12:00 |
| zioproto | I think is slack.k8s.io | 12:00 |
| zioproto | I would have to check the URL | 12:00 |
| b1airo | practical example of mixed version cloud: https://trello.com/b/9fkuT1eU/nectar-openstack-versions | 12:00 |
| oneswig | We are out of time, thanks everyone | 12:01 |
| zioproto | thank you ! | 12:01 |
| armstrong | Thanks @oneswig | 12:01 |
| makowals | Thanks, cheers | 12:01 |
| priteau | Thanks all! | 12:01 |
| armstrong | Thanks @zioproto | 12:01 |
| belmoreira | thanks | 12:01 |
| b1airo | thanks all! especially makowals and zioproto | 12:01 |
| oneswig | #endmeeting | 12:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Feb 14 12:01:41 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 12:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_sig/2018/scientific_sig.2018-02-14-11.00.html | 12:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_sig/2018/scientific_sig.2018-02-14-11.00.txt | 12:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_sig/2018/scientific_sig.2018-02-14-11.00.log.html | 12:01 |
| johnthetubaguy | +1 thanks makowals and zioproto interesting stuff | 12:02 |
| martial_ | good meeting, thanks for the presentations | 12:02 |
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| ad_ri3n_ | Hi all | 15:01 |
| ad_ri3n_ | Sorry for being late | 15:01 |
| ad_ri3n_ | did someone start the meeting? | 15:01 |
| parus | good morning. Just joined as well. | 15:02 |
| ad_ri3n_ | ok so let''s open | 15:02 |
| ad_ri3n_ | #startmeeting fog-edge-massively-distributed-clouds | 15:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Feb 14 15:02:27 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ad_ri3n_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'fog_edge_massively_distributed_clouds' | 15:02 |
| ad_ri3n_ | #chair ad_ri3n_ | 15:02 |
| openstack | Current chairs: ad_ri3n_ | 15:02 |
| ad_ri3n_ | #chair parus | 15:02 |
| openstack | Current chairs: ad_ri3n_ parus | 15:02 |
| ad_ri3n_ | #topic roll call | 15:02 |
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| ad_ri3n_ | so let's see who join today | 15:02 |
| ad_ri3n_ | ;) | 15:02 |
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| parus | Please remind me of the etherpad address! | 15:03 |
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| kgiusti | o/ | 15:03 |
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| ad_ri3n_ | #info agenda | 15:03 |
| avankemp | o/ | 15:03 |
| ansmith | o/ | 15:03 |
| ansmith | parus, https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/massively_distributed_ircmeetings_2018 | 15:03 |
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| ad_ri3n_ | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/massively_distributed_ircmeetings_2018 (line 202) | 15:03 |
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| ad_ri3n_ | So B-yond / Redhat / Inria | 15:04 |
| ad_ri3n_ | anyone from the DragonFlow team? | 15:04 |
| ad_ri3n_ | #topic announcements | 15:05 |
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| ad_ri3n_ | so a few news from my side mainly related to the Vancouver summit | 15:05 |
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| ad_ri3n_ | the presentations that have been submitted under the umbrella of the FEMDC SiG | 15:05 |
| ad_ri3n_ | are the ones I put in the etherpad | 15:06 |
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| ad_ri3n_ | if you are aware about additional ones please complete the pad ;) | 15:06 |
| parus | I have submitted three abstracts. I will add to the pad. | 15:06 |
| ad_ri3n_ | ok cool | 15:07 |
| parus | I must have missed the part where I had to refer to FEMDC | 15:07 |
| ad_ri3n_ | that's ok | 15:07 |
| ad_ri3n_ | The idea was just to add something like: '' this work is related to the FEMDC activities…" or something similar | 15:07 |
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| ad_ri3n_ | but please parus complete the pad. | 15:08 |
| ad_ri3n_ | so that's all | 15:08 |
| ad_ri3n_ | from my side | 15:08 |
| ad_ri3n_ | (I'm going to discuss about what we are doing in the edge sessions but I think we can now consider it as an on going actions as it is redundant every weeks) | 15:08 |
| ad_ri3n_ | so if nothing more from your side guys let's go on. | 15:08 |
| ad_ri3n_ | ? | 15:09 |
| ad_ri3n_ | #topic ongoing-actions edge sessions | 15:09 |
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| ad_ri3n_ | So as you probably alreadly know there is a weekly meeting supervised by that OpenStack foundation every tuesday at 15. UTC | 15:09 |
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| msimonin | o/ | 15:10 |
| ad_ri3n_ | Currently we are mainly discussing ''state of the art'' solutions that enable administrators/end users to deal with multiple regions deployment scenarios | 15:10 |
| ad_ri3n_ | I put some links but roughly yesterday we discussed about oaktree/shade and Tricircle before splitting | 15:11 |
| ad_ri3n_ | We also briefly went through the gap analysis we are consolidating with Ericsson folks (BTW, thanks parus for your comments, I started to answer a few of them but I saw this morning you added more ones). | 15:12 |
| ad_ri3n_ | so I don't know whether you would like to have more details or not. | 15:12 |
| ad_ri3n_ | if not we can move to the next topic ? | 15:12 |
| parus | It is a great analysis. I want to congratulate you on it. | 15:12 |
| ad_ri3n_ | it is clearly not completed but at least we started finally ;) | 15:12 |
| parus | I struggled a bit with terminology (e.g. VMI)... but it made sense in the end. | 15:13 |
| ad_ri3n_ | BTW kgiusti ansmith do you have news regarding possible interests of other RedHat folks on the edge challenges? | 15:13 |
| parus | The main comment is about defining the node where "you are". did you address that? | 15:14 |
| ad_ri3n_ | it would be great to get feedbacks on use-cases or expectations related to administrators/developpers requirements | 15:14 |
| ad_ri3n_ | parus: not yet, gonna look | 15:14 |
| kgiusti | ad_ri3n_: what's the meeting details - I'll see if I can get anyone from the openstack team to attend | 15:15 |
| ad_ri3n_ | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/edge-gap-analysis | 15:16 |
| kgiusti | ad_ri3n_: thanks, ansmith ^^^ | 15:16 |
| ad_ri3n_ | ^ this is the link related to the gap analysis we are doing | 15:16 |
| ad_ri3n_ | and the general link | 15:16 |
| ad_ri3n_ | is | 15:16 |
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| * ad_ri3n_ is looking for another etherpad link … too many links … definitely | 15:16 | |
| ad_ri3n_ | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/2017_edge_computing_working_sessions general link for all edge working sessions | 15:17 |
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| ad_ri3n_ | ^ that one should be the good entrypoint ansmith kgiusti | 15:17 |
| kgiusti | ad_ri3n_: excellent, thanks | 15:17 |
| ad_ri3n_ | Once again, it would be really great to have more folks of redhat involved in our action | 15:17 |
| ad_ri3n_ | We know that in France RedHat has some interests | 15:17 |
| kgiusti | ad_ri3n_: if you have names of the folks in france let me/ansmith know | 15:18 |
| ad_ri3n_ | it would be great to have additional persons to help us to move forward | 15:18 |
| ad_ri3n_ | faster and in the right direction ;) | 15:18 |
| parus | ad_ri3n_: are you still having meetings with ericsson to develop the gap analysis further? | 15:18 |
| ad_ri3n_ | @msimonin did you remind? | 15:18 |
| kgiusti | ad_ri3n_: agreed | 15:18 |
| ad_ri3n_ | parus: yes next friday | 15:18 |
| ad_ri3n_ | 14- > 17 | 15:19 |
| ad_ri3n_ | Paris Time | 15:19 |
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| parus | those are face to face . Right? | 15:19 |
| ad_ri3n_ | no | 15:19 |
| ad_ri3n_ | professional skype | 15:19 |
| ad_ri3n_ | one is in US | 15:20 |
| ad_ri3n_ | the other one is in Sweden | 15:20 |
| ad_ri3n_ | and we are in Rennes and Nantes from our side | 15:20 |
| parus | I am happy to join if that helps. | 15:20 |
| ad_ri3n_ | I will ask Joao to invite you | 15:21 |
| ad_ri3n_ | but the discussion right now is more on a prototype | 15:21 |
| ad_ri3n_ | i.e. ok there is no solution right now | 15:21 |
| ad_ri3n_ | what can be the solution with the goal of mitigating the effort | 15:22 |
| ad_ri3n_ | kgiusti: ansmith | 15:22 |
| ad_ri3n_ | Bertrand Rault | 15:23 |
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| ad_ri3n_ | is the one that validates the involvement of RedHat within the Discovery initiative | 15:23 |
| ad_ri3n_ | #link https://beyondtheclouds.github.io | 15:23 |
| ad_ri3n_ | see bottom of the page | 15:23 |
| ad_ri3n_ | ok | 15:23 |
| kgiusti | ad_ri3n_: thanks | 15:24 |
| ad_ri3n_ | It would be great if we can attract more people | 15:24 |
| ad_ri3n_ | interested by other challenges such as : how sharing VM Images across distinct sites in an efficient manner. | 15:24 |
| ad_ri3n_ | Bertrand told us that RedHat is also interested by these challenges | 15:24 |
| kgiusti | ad_ri3n_: I'm surprised RH doesn't have more folks at the table for this. | 15:25 |
| ad_ri3n_ | Me too :-P | 15:25 |
| kgiusti | ad_ri3n_: Bertrand is part of the Openstack team, I'll reach out. | 15:26 |
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| ad_ri3n_ | so I ask the ones I know (i.e. probably the best ones ;)) | 15:26 |
| ad_ri3n_ | who are you guys ;) | 15:26 |
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| kgiusti | ad_ri3n_: the best you know in *Enterprise Messaging*, which is a separate group for Openstack, unfortunately :P | 15:26 |
| ad_ri3n_ | ok perfect moment to switch to the AMQP update ;) | 15:26 |
| ad_ri3n_ | :-P | 15:27 |
| parus | Before you do | 15:27 |
| ad_ri3n_ | parus: please ? | 15:27 |
| parus | you may want to mention white paper | 15:27 |
| parus | #link https://www.openstack.org/edge-computing/ | 15:27 |
| ad_ri3n_ | excellent | 15:27 |
| parus | just saw it on the web site | 15:27 |
| ad_ri3n_ | Thanks parus | 15:27 |
| ad_ri3n_ | ;) | 15:27 |
| ad_ri3n_ | Ok I invite all of you to give a look | 15:28 |
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| ad_ri3n_ | This is the output of a couple of exchanges/telcos/debates to deliver some foundations for our future discussions | 15:29 |
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| ad_ri3n_ | a short paper but that defines at least the limit of what we call edge computing infrastructures. | 15:30 |
| ad_ri3n_ | Ok so let's switch to the next topic | 15:30 |
| ad_ri3n_ | #topic ongoing-actions amqp evaluations | 15:30 |
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| kgiusti | I'm still working on a dragonflow AMQP 1.0 driver POC | 15:30 |
| ad_ri3n_ | ok | 15:30 |
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| kgiusti | and I'll have a presentation regarding extending the oslo api to better suite such use cases at PTG | 15:31 |
| kgiusti | that's it from me - ansmith? msimonin? | 15:31 |
| ansmith | nothing to add | 15:31 |
| msimonin | I think I'll be at the oslo session :) | 15:31 |
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| ad_ri3n_ | +1 | 15:32 |
| msimonin | From our side I've put some notes on the e-pad | 15:32 |
| kgiusti | msimonin: if you bring something to throw, try to make it *soft*, like rotten fruit.... | 15:32 |
| ad_ri3n_ | parus: finally you will come to the PTG event? | 15:32 |
| ad_ri3n_ | :-) | 15:32 |
| msimonin | msimonin: melted cheese ? | 15:32 |
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| msimonin | kgiusti:* | 15:32 |
| parus | I am making travel arrangements to be at PTG. Arriving monday morning and leaving on wednesday. | 15:32 |
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| parus | Looking forward to see all of you! | 15:33 |
| msimonin | same here parus ! | 15:33 |
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| msimonin | So, to make it short regarding AMQP | 15:33 |
| msimonin | Javier is making a lot of progress on the framework code base ! | 15:34 |
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| msimonin | We are now able to automate the tests of the major oslo messaging patterns | 15:34 |
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| msimonin | I've make some initial tests to scale to 5-10K agents | 15:35 |
| msimonin | made* | 15:35 |
| msimonin | This is very promisinfg | 15:35 |
| msimonin | promising* | 15:35 |
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| msimonin | that's all from my side | 15:36 |
| ad_ri3n_ | ok thanks for the update | 15:36 |
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| ad_ri3n_ | I looking forward to seeing your presentation guys ;) | 15:36 |
| msimonin | Oh yes we submitted a presentation with kgiusti and Javier | 15:37 |
| kgiusti | bring grilled cheese.... :) | 15:38 |
| ad_ri3n_ | :-) | 15:38 |
| ad_ri3n_ | BTW is Javier attending the meeting today ? | 15:38 |
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| msimonin | kgiusti: don't dare me | 15:39 |
| msimonin | kgiusti: :) | 15:39 |
| msimonin | yes Javier is sitting next to me | 15:39 |
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| ad_ri3n_ | ok | 15:40 |
| ad_ri3n_ | Javier welcome | 15:40 |
| ad_ri3n_ | I should definitely arrange a telco with you ;) | 15:40 |
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| ad_ri3n_ | Sorry for that | 15:40 |
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| ad_ri3n_ | Ok so we can move to the next topic which is Open discussion | 15:40 |
| ad_ri3n_ | #topic open-discussions | 15:40 |
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| parus | I have a question regarding PTG | 15:41 |
| ad_ri3n_ | Please ? | 15:41 |
| parus | Do we have an agenda on how we are going to use our time? | 15:41 |
| parus | for this team. | 15:41 |
| * msimonin must leave, thanks for the meeting ! | 15:41 | |
| parus | Are we going to dive into the Vancouver presentations? | 15:41 |
| ad_ri3n_ | partially | 15:42 |
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| ad_ri3n_ | there is a dedicated etherpad to prepare our discussion: | 15:42 |
| * ad_ri3n_ is looking for | 15:42 | |
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| ad_ri3n_ | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/edge-ptg-dublin | 15:43 |
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| ad_ri3n_ | on monday afternoon we will finalize the agenda for tuesday morning | 15:43 |
| ad_ri3n_ | the goal of the discussion on tuesday morning is to discuss with core developpers of other projecs. | 15:43 |
| parus | Which other projects are we targeting? Neutron? | 15:44 |
| ad_ri3n_ | so parus the more materials we are going to put on this pad | 15:45 |
| ad_ri3n_ | the better it will be | 15:45 |
| ad_ri3n_ | K N G N | 15:45 |
| ad_ri3n_ | Keystone Nova Glance Neutron | 15:45 |
| parus | OK! I will make this a priority this week. | 15:45 |
| ad_ri3n_ | these are the ones you must have to be able to launch VMs | 15:45 |
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| parus | I think you might need horizon and heat as well. | 15:45 |
| ad_ri3n_ | last week we discussed a lot of keystone | 15:45 |
| ad_ri3n_ | Horizon is a WEB server | 15:46 |
| ad_ri3n_ | but … | 15:46 |
| ad_ri3n_ | yes why not actually | 15:46 |
| ad_ri3n_ | Heat is also a plus | 15:46 |
| parus | Changes are pretty simple but how will information be presented on Horizon if you have 1000 nodes. | 15:46 |
| ad_ri3n_ | i.e if you look to L1/L2/L3/... | 15:46 |
| ad_ri3n_ | Heat comes in the loop later | 15:46 |
| ad_ri3n_ | parus: the problem is already present | 15:47 |
| ad_ri3n_ | in a large DC | 15:47 |
| ad_ri3n_ | so | 15:47 |
| ad_ri3n_ | I think you are right | 15:47 |
| ad_ri3n_ | there will be specific questions | 15:47 |
| ad_ri3n_ | my point is that Horizon is stateless | 15:47 |
| parus | To some degree... maybe what has been done for AZ can be done for edge. | 15:47 |
| ad_ri3n_ | in the sense that it is just an entry point to the different APIs | 15:47 |
| ad_ri3n_ | the hard part right now | 15:47 |
| ad_ri3n_ | is related to the DBs, the communication bus | 15:48 |
| ad_ri3n_ | and the possibility to be able to call a remote service | 15:48 |
| ad_ri3n_ | (i.e. Nova from one site wants to contact a remote Glance for collecting the VM image for instance that is needed to boot the VM) | 15:48 |
| ad_ri3n_ | how can you do that | 15:48 |
| ad_ri3n_ | if you have indepent openstand | 15:48 |
| parus | I don't disagree. putting in place the structure that allows the performance to be achieved is important. | 15:49 |
| ad_ri3n_ | openstack. Nova from site A should be authentified on site B to be able to contact Glance on B | 15:49 |
| ad_ri3n_ | Actually there is another action that would be interesting to do | 15:49 |
| ad_ri3n_ | (maybe for the last cycle) | 15:49 |
| parus | But putting in place the data models and the abstractions to have a useful interaction with the system should not be understimated. | 15:49 |
| ad_ri3n_ | it is an analysis of what is behind the scene of ONAP | 15:50 |
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| ad_ri3n_ | parus: fully agree | 15:50 |
| ad_ri3n_ | We have one Phd and two postdoctoral researchers at Inria that investigates such challenges (but from the academic viewpoint) | 15:50 |
| ad_ri3n_ | what is difficult is to make the link between academic PoCs and all the opensource solutions that exist | 15:51 |
| ad_ri3n_ | I think there is also orchestration engines/services within ONAP | 15:51 |
| parus | Yes there is. | 15:51 |
| parus | a Master orchestrator | 15:51 |
| ad_ri3n_ | what is the added value w.r.t. HEAT for instance is something I would be interested to better understand | 15:51 |
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| ad_ri3n_ | (actually that is something that should be valuable for our community to understand not only for me ;) sorry :-P ) | 15:52 |
| parus | Let me take an action here... and maybe I can come back with some input. | 15:52 |
| parus | Or if someone wants to work on this with me... that would be even better. | 15:52 |
| ad_ri3n_ | @dpertin | 15:53 |
| ad_ri3n_ | ? | 15:53 |
| ad_ri3n_ | are you there | 15:53 |
| ad_ri3n_ | seems not | 15:53 |
| ad_ri3n_ | Ok we have one engineer that will work on that for the next 3 months | 15:53 |
| ad_ri3n_ | Dimitri Pertin | 15:53 |
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| ad_ri3n_ | he chaired the sydney meeting with you | 15:53 |
| ad_ri3n_ | in Sydney | 15:53 |
| ad_ri3n_ | so you know him | 15:53 |
| parus | I do1 | 15:53 |
| parus | I do ! | 15:53 |
| parus | I will reach out. | 15:54 |
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| ad_ri3n_ | ok | 15:55 |
| ad_ri3n_ | anything else you would like to discuss guys? | 15:55 |
| parus | I would be afraid to get another action ! | 15:55 |
| ad_ri3n_ | ;-) | 15:56 |
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| ad_ri3n_ | ansmith: kgiusti: I just added one point regarding a possible ping from your side | 15:56 |
| ad_ri3n_ | in order to attract additional redhat folks (i.e. from the OpenStack group ;)) | 15:56 |
| ad_ri3n_ | so that's all from my side | 15:56 |
| ad_ri3n_ | Thanks you for attending the meeting | 15:56 |
| kgiusti | +1 | 15:56 |
| ad_ri3n_ | and see you in Dublin ;) | 15:56 |
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| ad_ri3n_ | #endmeeting | 15:57 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Feb 14 15:57:19 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:57 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fog_edge_massively_distributed_clouds/2018/fog_edge_massively_distributed_clouds.2018-02-14-15.02.html | 15:57 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fog_edge_massively_distributed_clouds/2018/fog_edge_massively_distributed_clouds.2018-02-14-15.02.txt | 15:57 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fog_edge_massively_distributed_clouds/2018/fog_edge_massively_distributed_clouds.2018-02-14-15.02.log.html | 15:57 |
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| jungleboyj | #startmeeting Cinder | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Feb 14 16:00:28 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jungleboyj. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Cinder)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cinder' | 16:00 |
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| erlon | hey | 16:00 |
| Swanson | hello | 16:00 |
| erlon | first :) | 16:00 |
| tommylikehu | hello | 16:00 |
| jungleboyj | Courtesy ping: jungleboyj DuncanT diablo_rojo, diablo_rojo_phon, rajinir tbarron xyang xyang1 e0ne gouthamr thingee erlon tpsilva patrickeast tommylikehu eharney geguileo smcginnis lhx_ lhx__ aspiers jgriffith moshele hwalsh felipemonteiro lpetrut | 16:00 |
| jungleboyj | @! | 16:00 |
| _pewp_ | jungleboyj (ஐ╹◡╹)ノ | 16:00 |
| geguileo | hi! o/ | 16:00 |
| eharney | hi | 16:01 |
| amito | hello o/ | 16:01 |
| smcginnis | o/ | 16:01 |
| rajinir | o/ | 16:01 |
| jungleboyj | Hey everyone. | 16:01 |
| abishop | o/ | 16:01 |
| tpsilva | hello | 16:01 |
| tbarron | hi | 16:01 |
| xyang | hi | 16:01 |
| patrickeast | o/ | 16:02 |
| e0ne | hi | 16:02 |
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| jungleboyj | Ok, lets get started. | 16:02 |
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| jungleboyj | #topic Announcements | 16:02 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: Cinder)" | 16:02 | |
| jungleboyj | We cut RC1 last week on THURSDAY. | 16:03 |
| e0ne | :) | 16:03 |
| smcginnis | :) | 16:03 |
| jungleboyj | Also did a new release of stable/pike . | 16:03 |
| jungleboyj | So, that is where things are at there. | 16:03 |
| jungleboyj | Last announcement is a reminder to add topics to the PTG etherpad. | 16:04 |
| jungleboyj | We have gotten some topics out there. Hope that we will be able to have more for face to face discussion. | 16:04 |
| jungleboyj | That was all that I had for announcements. | 16:05 |
| jungleboyj | #topic Queens release | 16:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Queens release (Meeting topic: Cinder)" | 16:05 | |
| jungleboyj | So, it seems like it has been eerily quiet since I cut the RC. | 16:05 |
| jungleboyj | Anything critical that anyone needs to bring up for Queens? | 16:06 |
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| smcginnis | We have until next Thursday to get in anything critical for the final RC deadline. | 16:07 |
| jungleboyj | :-) | 16:07 |
| tommylikehu | ok | 16:07 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: The only thing I had pop up is a multi-attach enablement patch that got missed before the RC was cut. | 16:07 |
| erlon | smcginnis, next Thu 22? | 16:08 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: Did you merge that one? | 16:08 |
| jungleboyj | I was just trying to find the patch. | 16:08 |
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| smcginnis | erlon: Yep, final RC deadline is Thursday the 22. | 16:08 |
| erlon | ok | 16:09 |
| Swanson | (smcginnis, Nothing is critical. We have like one customer with something newer than Mitaka. So we have like a year and a half to get fixes in.) | 16:09 |
| smcginnis | :P | 16:09 |
| jungleboyj | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/541368/ | 16:09 |
| jungleboyj | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/541368/ | 16:09 |
| jungleboyj | Yes, merged it in master. | 16:09 |
| jungleboyj | Swanson: :p | 16:10 |
| smcginnis | So up to you whether to backport to stable/queens. | 16:10 |
| smcginnis | I know they did a lot of work to help get things tested and merged. | 16:10 |
| smcginnis | But I also am fine with LVM being our only enabled one for queens. | 16:10 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: So, yeah, given all the work done around multi-attach it seems a little silly to go out the door without it. | 16:11 |
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| jungleboyj | I am fine with them backporting it. Questing is whether we do another RC for that? | 16:11 |
| abishop | +1, would be nice to get it into queens | 16:11 |
| smcginnis | Well, if you backport it then it should be in another RC. | 16:11 |
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| smcginnis | Adding functionality is not really allowed per the stable policy once queens is officially out. | 16:12 |
| jungleboyj | Right. | 16:12 |
| jungleboyj | It is a 1 line change. :-O) | 16:12 |
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| smcginnis | That would appear to be the only reason to do another RC: https://github.com/openstack/cinder/compare/12.0.0.0rc1...stable/queens | 16:13 |
| smcginnis | Unless we get some more translations. | 16:13 |
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| jungleboyj | Is there anyone opposed to backporting that? | 16:14 |
| eharney | fine w/ me | 16:14 |
| jungleboyj | e0ne: You ok with it as well? | 16:14 |
| e0ne | jungleboyj: looks good for me to cherry pick this one | 16:15 |
| jungleboyj | Ok. looks like we have enough support and doing another RC shouldn't be complicated. | 16:16 |
| jungleboyj | #action jungleboyj to do a cherrypick after the meeting and subsequently a new RC request. | 16:16 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: Probably best to wait until early next week to request the RC2 just in case anything else comes up. | 16:16 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Good idea. | 16:17 |
| eharney | when does driverfixes/pike get created? | 16:18 |
| jungleboyj | eharney: Good question. | 16:18 |
| jungleboyj | I would say after the release happens we need to do that. | 16:19 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Any thoughts? | 16:19 |
| smcginnis | I've usually been creating those as soon as the stable/* branch enters the phase where we aren't able to backport driver fixes. | 16:19 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: ++ | 16:19 |
| eharney | right | 16:19 |
| smcginnis | So according to https://releases.openstack.org/ that would be on or around Feb 26. | 16:19 |
| eharney | sounds good | 16:20 |
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| jungleboyj | :-) Ok, anything else on Queens? | 16:20 |
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| smcginnis | Long live the queen! | 16:20 |
| jungleboyj | :-) | 16:20 |
| jungleboyj | #topic PTG Planning Items: | 16:21 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "PTG Planning Items: (Meeting topic: Cinder)" | 16:21 | |
| jungleboyj | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-ptg-rocky | 16:22 |
| jungleboyj | A reminder to update the Team dinner list if you are interested. | 16:22 |
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| jungleboyj | Also a note on the daily schedule. There some OpenStack Upstream Institute meetings happening on Thursday at 4 so going to try to wrap things up by 4 that day for sure. | 16:23 |
| jungleboyj | May do the same on Wednesday depending on how many topics we have. | 16:23 |
| jungleboyj | Excited to see many of you there. | 16:24 |
| smcginnis | I notice we have the GSoC topic there. | 16:24 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Yeah, I guess we can remove that one since that didn't happen. :-( | 16:24 |
| smcginnis | We didn't get accepted for that, but might still be worth discussing what we could have an "intern" do. | 16:24 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: ++ | 16:24 |
| smcginnis | Someone brought up the idea of the Foundation driving our own internship program. | 16:25 |
| smcginnis | I kind of like that idea. | 16:25 |
| smcginnis | Would help me reach out to the local university here. | 16:25 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: I saw that. I have been surprised that they haven't done that in the past. | 16:25 |
| tbarron | +1 | 16:25 |
| * tbarron remembers working at the U :) | 16:25 | |
| smcginnis | tbarron: Oh right! | 16:26 |
| tbarron | back before smcginnis was born | 16:26 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | Keeping a list of ideas would be good. You can recycle them for outreachy since we didn't get selected for GSoC. | 16:26 |
| smcginnis | ;) | 16:26 |
| jungleboyj | *laughing* | 16:26 |
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| jungleboyj | Ok, so we will leave that topic and I will generalize it. | 16:27 |
| jungleboyj | Any other comments/concerns on the current list of topics? | 16:27 |
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| jungleboyj | Ok. | 16:28 |
| jungleboyj | #topic Meeting plan for next week | 16:28 |
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| jungleboyj | So, I am going to be on vacation in Ireland next week and don't think I will be able to run this meeting. | 16:29 |
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| jungleboyj | Do we want to take a break next week before meeting at the PTG? | 16:29 |
| e0ne | +1 | 16:29 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: eharney ? | 16:30 |
| smcginnis | I'm good with that. | 16:30 |
| eharney | ok | 16:30 |
| smcginnis | Folks will be starting to travel and we will have plenty of time to catch up. | 16:30 |
| jungleboyj | Cool. | 16:30 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: So maybe you should request that RC2 on Friday. ;) | 16:30 |
| jungleboyj | #action jungleboyj to send note to mailing list about no meeting for next two weeks due to travel and PTG. | 16:31 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: I can do Monday morning. | 16:31 |
| jungleboyj | Flying out Monday afternoon. | 16:31 |
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| smcginnis | ++ | 16:32 |
| jungleboyj | #topic HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO smcginnis !!!!! | 16:33 |
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| e0ne | Happy Birthday, Sean! | 16:33 |
| jungleboyj | He is working on catching up to tbarron . :-) | 16:33 |
| tommylikehu | happy birthday! | 16:33 |
| tbarron | :) | 16:33 |
| gman-tx | Happy Birthday! | 16:33 |
| amito | Happy birthday! | 16:33 |
| geguileo | Happy birthday!! | 16:33 |
| ganso | happy birthday! | 16:34 |
| jungleboyj | :-) | 16:34 |
| smcginnis | Hah, thanks all. :) | 16:34 |
| eharney | happy birthday :) | 16:34 |
| erlon | Party party party!!! | 16:34 |
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| jungleboyj | erlon: We will take him out drinking in Dublin. | 16:34 |
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| smcginnis | https://media.giphy.com/media/26vUxJ9rqfwuIEkTu/giphy.gif | 16:34 |
| Swanson | One more year closer to death. You can probably feel the reaper's breath on your neck. And you're celebrating that? Good lord. | 16:35 |
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| erlon | yeap! lets remember this to celebrate there :) | 16:35 |
| jungleboyj | :-) | 16:35 |
| erlon | huauha | 16:35 |
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| jungleboyj | #topic Open Discussion | 16:36 |
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| Swanson | And happy birthdaay! | 16:36 |
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| jungleboyj | Any other topics for today? | 16:38 |
| rajinir | Sharing a birthday with Valentine's Day is Cool Sean. Happy Birthday! | 16:38 |
| smcginnis | Hah, always a lot of candy around on my birthday growing up. ;) | 16:38 |
| smcginnis | Unfortunately it was usually all pink, but hey, it was still candy. :D | 16:39 |
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| e0ne | :) | 16:39 |
| jungleboyj | Real men aren't afraid of Pink. | 16:39 |
| tommylikehu | lol | 16:39 |
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| amito | Anyone arriving to Dublin before the PTG? | 16:40 |
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| smcginnis | Saturday to Saturday for me. | 16:40 |
| jungleboyj | amito: Yes, I am there from next Tuesday. | 16:40 |
| e0ne | Sun-Fri :( | 16:40 |
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| jungleboyj | Ok. So, I think that wraps it up for today. | 16:43 |
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| jungleboyj | See you all soon. Safe travels! | 16:43 |
| smcginnis | o/ | 16:43 |
| jungleboyj | @! | 16:44 |
| _pewp_ | jungleboyj ヽ(´･ω･`)､ | 16:44 |
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| jungleboyj | #endmeeting | 16:44 |
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| amito | bbye | 16:44 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Feb 14 16:44:19 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:44 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2018/cinder.2018-02-14-16.00.html | 16:44 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2018/cinder.2018-02-14-16.00.txt | 16:44 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2018/cinder.2018-02-14-16.00.log.html | 16:44 |
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| notmyname | swift meeting time | 21:02 |
| notmyname | #startmeeting swift | 21:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Feb 14 21:02:07 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is notmyname. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:02 | |
| notmyname | hello, everyone | 21:02 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'swift' | 21:02 |
| notmyname | who's here for the swift team meeting? | 21:02 |
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| m_kazuhiro | o/ | 21:02 |
| kota_ | good morning | 21:02 |
| mattoliverau | o/ | 21:02 |
| timburke | o/ | 21:02 |
| acoles | hello | 21:02 |
| joeljwright_ | hello | 21:02 |
| notmyname | not too m uch on the agenda this week. only ptg prep | 21:03 |
| notmyname | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Swift | 21:03 |
| notmyname | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Dublin_PTG_Swift | 21:03 |
| mattoliverau | Well ptg isn't too far away | 21:03 |
| notmyname | acoles: thank you for filling out details on the container sharding topic | 21:03 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: I know! it's really soon | 21:03 |
| tdasilva | hello | 21:03 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: you're going to have to get on a plane in a few hours in order to make it on time, right? | 21:04 |
| mattoliverau | Lol something like that :p | 21:04 |
| notmyname | on the PTG etherpad, martin (from swiftstack) started adding some admin/ops/support topics he wants to talk about | 21:04 |
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| kota_ | nice! | 21:05 |
| notmyname | there's also several other topics that people have expressed interest in but haven't been written up yet | 21:05 |
| kota_ | i'm looking forward to meeting marin again there! | 21:05 |
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| notmyname | this week, please take some time to go over the etherpad (and your own notes/thoughts) and write down whatever will help us all have productive conversations | 21:05 |
| kota_ | +1 | 21:06 |
| notmyname | I'd love to see some more detail about LOSF work from OVH, and I know that based on stuff we're doing at swiftstack we need to fill in info on "consistency engine improvements" | 21:06 |
| notmyname | how's the rest of it looking? | 21:06 |
| notmyname | has anyone seen other PTG-related emails or conversations that is stuff we should be preparing for or participating in? | 21:07 |
| notmyname | also, has anyone booked our group guiness tour yet? ;-) | 21:07 |
| kota_ | I'll add more informations about the s3api topic in this week. | 21:08 |
| notmyname | kota_: thanks! | 21:08 |
| acoles | looks like a good set of topics | 21:08 |
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| notmyname | yeah, we definitely don't need to add topics just because we want more. there's plenty of work there already to keep us all busy for a long time! ;-) | 21:09 |
| acoles | +1 | 21:09 |
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| notmyname | what else do we need to discuss this week in this meeting? | 21:09 |
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| notmyname | kota_: acoles: mattoliverau: tdasilva: anything to bring up? | 21:10 |
| mattoliverau | I have a few new tool patches, so maybe a swift tools topic, ie maybe we can discuss what people have in their or maybe extend the swift op or dev tool box (/me is just thinking out loud) | 21:10 |
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| mattoliverau | I'll think about it. | 21:11 |
| mattoliverau | Word something, and see where it goes | 21:11 |
| acoles | on the PTG etherpad I added a list 'aspects of sharding' which may help people come up to speed on what's involved - it has pointers to main areas of change etc | 21:11 |
| kota_ | not so much from me | 21:11 |
| mattoliverau | acoles: nice, I was just reading that | 21:12 |
| kota_ | perhaps, m_kazuhiro has something? | 21:12 |
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| notmyname | tdasilva: m_kazuhiro: anything from you this week? | 21:13 |
| tdasilva | not from me | 21:13 |
| m_kazuhiro | For general task queue, I want to merge some patches BEFORE PTG. So if you have time, please review patches listed in https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/swift_general_task_queue . | 21:14 |
| tdasilva | well...actually...we would like some focus on pete's put+post patch..i guess we'll discuss that during ptg... | 21:14 |
| acoles | oh yeah, is that on the etherpad? | 21:14 |
| notmyname | m_kazuhiro: I expect that it will be difficult to get much merged before the ptg. but I do appreciate you pushing us on that :-) | 21:15 |
| notmyname | tdasilva: ah yes. good | 21:15 |
| kota_ | m_kazuhiro: those are prep (basically refactoring) for the general task queue, aren't it? | 21:15 |
| acoles | tdasilva: I just added put+post | 21:16 |
| tdasilva | acoles: thanks! | 21:16 |
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| m_kazuhiro | kota_: yes | 21:16 |
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| notmyname | ok. well, just as we don't need extra topics in order to fill up a blank page, we don't need extra meeting time just to fill up an hour | 21:18 |
| notmyname | I say let's call it done this week :- | 21:18 |
| notmyname | ) | 21:18 |
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| notmyname | thanks for all your work on swift! I was just talking to a drive manufacturer on the phone and encouraging them to get involved here with the community. it's great to be able to so strongly recommend working with a great group of people | 21:19 |
| notmyname | #endmeeting | 21:19 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Feb 14 21:19:16 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:19 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2018/swift.2018-02-14-21.02.html | 21:19 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2018/swift.2018-02-14-21.02.txt | 21:19 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2018/swift.2018-02-14-21.02.log.html | 21:19 |
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