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| mlavalle | #startmeeting neutron_drivers | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Fri Feb 2 14:00:05 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mlavalle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_drivers' | 14:00 |
| yamamoto | hi | 14:00 |
| slaweq | hi | 14:00 |
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| mlavalle | hey guys | 14:00 |
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| annp | hi | 14:01 |
| SridarK | Hi | 14:01 |
| mlavalle | hi annp, SridarK | 14:01 |
| SridarK | mlavalle: hi | 14:01 |
| mlavalle | waiting a to have quorum to get going | 14:01 |
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| ihrachys | o/ | 14:01 |
| mlavalle | welcome ihrachys | 14:02 |
| mlavalle | now we have quorum | 14:02 |
| mlavalle | amotoki will join the meeting 10 minutes late | 14:02 |
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| mlavalle | but we can get going looking at the RC1 dashboard: https://launchpad.net/neutron/+milestone/queens-rc1 | 14:03 |
| mlavalle | I spent some time last evening updating the status | 14:03 |
| mlavalle | of the bugs. So I think the picture in the dashboard is pretty accurate | 14:04 |
| mlavalle | as far as status | 14:04 |
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| yamamoto | can you update "Expected" date? | 14:05 |
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| yamamoto | it seems i'm not a member of drivers on LP | 14:06 |
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| mlavalle | I'll fix that after the meeting | 14:07 |
| mlavalle | and I will monkey with the expected date also after that | 14:07 |
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| mlavalle | SridarK and yushiro pinged me last evening because they want to add a couple of FWaaS bugs to RC1 | 14:08 |
| SridarK | mlavalle: yes thx | 14:09 |
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| SridarK | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1746404 | 14:09 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1746404 in neutron "'auto_associate_default_firewall_group' got an error when new port is created" [High,In progress] - Assigned to chandan dutta chowdhury (chandanc) | 14:09 |
| SridarK | being addressed by #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/539461/ | 14:10 |
| patchbot | patch 539461 - neutron-fwaas - Remove disable option for default FWG and allow on... | 14:10 |
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| SridarK | mlavalle: the first one | 14:10 |
| mlavalle | actually jlibosva already marked them for the RC earlier this morning (my time) | 14:11 |
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| SridarK | mlavalle: ok perfect | 14:11 |
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| SridarK | I see #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1746855 | 14:12 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1746855 in neutron "FWaaS V2 failures with Ml2 is Linuxbridge or security group driver is iptables_hybrid" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Nguyen Phuong An (annp) | 14:12 |
| SridarK | added as well | 14:12 |
| mlavalle | wanted to see if there are any concernes from the drivers team about adding these two bugs | 14:12 |
| mlavalle | both bugs have already fixes up for review | 14:12 |
| amotoki | hi, i have no concern on them as far as I discussed yesterday with fwaas team. | 14:13 |
| ihrachys | also this would probably be material for rc1: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bgpvpn/+bug/1746996 | 14:13 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1746996 in neutron "bagpipe: IPAllocation DB query failing, engine facade mismatch" [Undecided,New] | 14:13 |
| ihrachys | tmorin just asked about it in neutron channel | 14:14 |
| SridarK | And both have been in review and almost ready to merge | 14:14 |
| annp | amotoki, thanks | 14:14 |
| SridarK | amotoki: thx | 14:14 |
| ihrachys | I don't have concerns for fwaas | 14:14 |
| chandanc | thanks amotoki ihrachys | 14:15 |
| mlavalle | me neither | 14:15 |
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| yamamoto | why https://review.openstack.org/#/c/539461/ is removing a config option? (i just glanced patches) | 14:15 |
| patchbot | patch 539461 - neutron-fwaas - Remove disable option for default FWG and allow on... | 14:15 |
| yamamoto | otherwise no concerns | 14:16 |
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| annp | thanks mlavalle, ihrachys :) | 14:16 |
| SridarK | ihrachys: thx | 14:16 |
| mlavalle | ok, so we will add them to the RC and maybe we can address yamomoto's question in the review | 14:17 |
| mlavalle | is that ok? | 14:17 |
| annp | yamamoto: thanks. long time no see. how are you? :) | 14:17 |
| ihrachys | mlavalle, + | 14:17 |
| yamamoto | mlavalle: sure | 14:17 |
| SridarK | yamamoto: earlier we thought we need an option to enable/disable applying default fwg - but this can pose issues due to conntrack | 14:17 |
| yamamoto | annp: hi, i'm fine | 14:18 |
| SridarK | yamamoto: we can discuss on gerrit as well so we dont take more time here | 14:18 |
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| yamamoto | SridarK: ok | 14:18 |
| annp | yamamoto: :) | 14:19 |
| mlavalle | SridarK, annp: thanks for showing up to the meeting :-). I know is really early for SridarK and maybe very late for annp | 14:19 |
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| SridarK | mlavalle: no worries at all thx | 14:19 |
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| annp | mlavalle: no worries, in vietnam just 9PM | 14:19 |
| mlavalle | going back to the bagpipe bug, it makes sense to have it in the RC | 14:20 |
| mlavalle | we've been fixing the same thing on the Neutron side | 14:20 |
| ihrachys | right. it's just that the fix may be convoluted there. | 14:20 |
| amotoki | +1. it must be fixed | 14:20 |
| ihrachys | because of the ordering issue that is described in comments | 14:20 |
| ihrachys | bgpvpn was caught in the middle of revert | 14:21 |
| tmorin | precisely yes | 14:21 |
| tmorin | (hi everyone) | 14:21 |
| ihrachys | tmorin, I guess the silly question would be: can we revert yours? | 14:21 |
| tmorin | ihrachys: basically, all our queens release depends on the switch to OVO, so reverting is not an option | 14:22 |
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| tmorin | ihrachys: but I can see if the one specific query for IPAllocation could be done with a plain SQLAlchemy query -- that would work the issue around, wouldn't it ? | 14:22 |
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| ihrachys | ok. I have some convoluted suggestions in mind. | 14:22 |
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| ihrachys | but we can discuss off base | 14:23 |
| tmorin | ihrachys: wfm | 14:23 |
| ihrachys | I meant off band btw | 14:23 |
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| ihrachys | anyway. I will reach out. | 14:23 |
| mlavalle | LOL | 14:23 |
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| mlavalle | thanks ihrachys for helping with this | 14:24 |
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| mlavalle | so I think we will add it to the RC. | 14:24 |
| tmorin | yes, many thanks! | 14:24 |
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| mlavalle | ok, done | 14:25 |
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| mlavalle | it is now in the RC dashboard | 14:25 |
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| mlavalle | any other topics related to our RC1? | 14:26 |
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| amotoki | one thing i would like ask your opinion. azaid asked me several times on bug 1405057 | 14:27 |
| openstack | bug 1405057 in neutron "Filter port-list based on security_groups associated not working" [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1405057 - Assigned to Ahmed Zaid (ahmedzaid10) | 14:27 |
| amotoki | it is port filtering based on SG. it is half feature. | 14:27 |
| mlavalle | yeah, I have taken a look a couple of times at the patchset and given feedback | 14:28 |
| mlavalle | I personally don't think it's an urgent thing to have in Queens | 14:28 |
| mlavalle | what do others think? | 14:28 |
| yamamoto | it doesn't seem urgent | 14:29 |
| amotoki | it is cost operation filtering ports by SG, so personally it is worth having it, but I agree it is not urgent. | 14:29 |
| ihrachys | wait. don't we already support this filtering? I remember smth in Port object for that that was added for agent sake to mimic previous behavior. | 14:29 |
| ihrachys | regardless it's not urgent indeed | 14:29 |
| slaweq | ihrachys: I did patch for OVO filtering based on SG | 14:30 |
| amotoki | ihrachys: the patch depends on OVO port filtering by SG | 14:30 |
| slaweq | but this is about filtering in API calls | 14:30 |
| ihrachys | oh ok | 14:30 |
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| ihrachys | yeah I get that it's for api; what I mean is when we switch to port OVO, it should just work. | 14:31 |
| slaweq | and in fact I think that this part of ML2 code is not switched to OVO yet so it makes some filters query currently | 14:31 |
| amotoki | i was a bit wrong. slaweq is correct | 14:31 |
| mlavalle | ok, I think we can move on and continue this piece of the conversation in gerrit | 14:32 |
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| ihrachys | yes | 14:33 |
| amotoki | personally it is less risk from impl perspective, so I don't have any concern on this point. | 14:33 |
| mlavalle | so let's go to RFEs | 14:33 |
| amotoki | okay | 14:33 |
| mlavalle | First one for this morning is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1715386 | 14:33 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1715386 in neutron "[RFE]Support routing traffic based on subnet" [Wishlist,In progress] - Assigned to zhaobo (zhaobo6) | 14:33 |
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| mlavalle | I have made 2 or 3 passes on this spec trying to help the author to clarify the use cases | 14:34 |
| mlavalle | yamamoto has also provided feedback | 14:35 |
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| mlavalle | keep in mind that the question at this point in time is not to approve the spec. it is to see if we have enough info to mark the RFE to approved and continue refining the spec | 14:36 |
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| yamamoto | i wonder why the author added dest ip match in the latest version of the spec | 14:40 |
| mlavalle | that probably is a consequence of a comment I made two reviews ago | 14:41 |
| mlavalle | for the second use case the routing decision would need a combination of source subnet and destination | 14:41 |
| mlavalle | my comment was actually: with this API can you fully support use case 2? | 14:42 |
| mlavalle | the truth is I am speculating a little bit | 14:42 |
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| yamamoto | for the "Dst MMMM via NN"? | 14:44 |
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| mlavalle | yeah, I have the same question | 14:45 |
| amotoki | sounds like SR | 14:45 |
| mlavalle | but last night I ran out of time so didn't get to that specific | 14:45 |
| mlavalle | SR = source routing? | 14:45 |
| amotoki | segment routing | 14:46 |
| mlavalle | it is clearly routing not based exclusively on the destination | 14:46 |
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| ihrachys | what's the silence about | 14:52 |
| mlavalle | I was assuming folks were going over the spec | 14:53 |
| mlavalle | any feedback? | 14:53 |
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| yamamoto | i'm still awake :-) | 14:53 |
| mlavalle | LOL | 14:53 |
| mlavalle | ok so maybe we are not ready to take the next step with this RFE | 14:54 |
| amotoki | controlling traffic based on source/dest IP is similar to SFC and use case 2 might be achieved by SFC, but it sounds too much to use SFC only for this purpose. supporting it in router might make sense though i haven't looked thru all. | 14:54 |
| amotoki | let's move on | 14:55 |
| mlavalle | ok so please provide feedback in the spec | 14:55 |
| yamamoto | i'm still not sure if i understand (or agree) if these complex setup described in the use case are really necessary. but i can understand source routing is convenient in some cases. | 14:55 |
| mlavalle | I think we can talk about this one https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1717560 | 14:57 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1717560 in neutron "[RFE] allow to have no default route in DHCP host routes" [Wishlist,Triaged] | 14:57 |
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| yamamoto | maybe the rfe description needs an update after feedbacks on spec? at least "based on subnet" part | 14:57 |
| mlavalle | yamamoto: can you clarify | 14:58 |
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| yamamoto | as it seems it's now about src/dst ip prefixes rather than subnet | 14:58 |
| mlavalle | ok | 14:59 |
| mlavalle | so we ran out of time | 14:59 |
| yamamoto | are we waiting for armax finishing mulling? | 15:00 |
| mlavalle | no, I think we can move ahead with this one | 15:00 |
| yamamoto | i think it's fine to move ahead | 15:00 |
| mlavalle | I just want to formalize the decision with the team | 15:00 |
| mlavalle | amotoki, ihrachys? | 15:00 |
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| ihrachys | yes let's move to bug | 15:01 |
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| mlavalle | cool | 15:01 |
| mlavalle | thanks for attending have a great weekend! | 15:01 |
| yamamoto | thank you | 15:01 |
| mlavalle | #endmeeting | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/" | 15:01 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Fri Feb 2 15:01:45 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:01 |
| amotoki | thank you | 15:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2018/neutron_drivers.2018-02-02-14.00.html | 15:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2018/neutron_drivers.2018-02-02-14.00.txt | 15:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2018/neutron_drivers.2018-02-02-14.00.log.html | 15:01 |
| smcginnis | #startmeeting releaseteam | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Fri Feb 2 15:01:51 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is smcginnis. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: releaseteam)" | 15:01 | |
| SridarK | thx all | 15:01 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'releaseteam' | 15:01 |
| smcginnis | Ping list: dhellmann, dims, fungi, tonyb, lbragstad, ttx, armstrong | 15:02 |
| * lbragstad refills coffee quick | 15:02 | |
| dhellmann | o/ | 15:02 |
| smcginnis | #link | 15:02 |
| armstrong | Here | 15:02 |
| smcginnis | #undo | 15:02 |
| openstack | Removing item from minutes: #link | 15:02 |
| * dhellmann is on a conference call | 15:02 | |
| smcginnis | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/queens-relmgt-tracking | 15:02 |
| smcginnis | We are on line 260 | 15:02 |
| smcginnis | dhellmann: ack | 15:02 |
| * lbragstad is back | 15:03 | |
| smcginnis | I'll wait another minute or so. | 15:03 |
| dhellmann | I'm here now | 15:03 |
| * fungi hopes you're not waiting on his account. he's just quiet | 15:03 | |
| fungi | oh, right, now i see dhellmann's conf call comment | 15:04 |
| smcginnis | fungi: :) | 15:04 |
| smcginnis | Actually hoping ttx would pop in, but I'm sure he'll join us when he can. | 15:04 |
| smcginnis | #topic Queens-3 Status and Recap | 15:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Queens-3 Status and Recap (Meeting topic: releaseteam)" | 15:04 | |
| smcginnis | Yeah... it's been a milestone. | 15:05 |
| dhellmann | more like a millstone | 15:05 |
| smcginnis | +10 | 15:05 |
| smcginnis | So we now have all libraries released and branched. | 15:05 |
| smcginnis | Many were late due to various reasons. | 15:05 |
| dhellmann | rc1 is coming up next thursday, right? | 15:06 |
| smcginnis | And some never showed up, which I think we will have to discuss more. Probably when we are face to face at the ptg. | 15:06 |
| smcginnis | dhellmann: Yep, not a lot of time this time around. | 15:06 |
| dhellmann | maybe we can do a 5 minute talk after lunch one day about why we need releases | 15:06 |
| dhellmann | of the intermediary projects, that is | 15:06 |
| smcginnis | On the good side, we batched up all the late lib requirement bumps into one patch, and that went through last night. | 15:06 |
| dhellmann | oh, good | 15:07 |
| smcginnis | dhellmann: Oh, I like that idea. | 15:07 |
| smcginnis | That could be very useful. | 15:07 |
| dhellmann | we have some of that info in the irc logs from our reasoning through why we needed to do them, so it should be possible to pull together a slide or two | 15:07 |
| smcginnis | I think there are probably a large chunk of folks that don't really understand why we have the milestones and deadlines. | 15:07 |
| smcginnis | ++ | 15:07 |
| dhellmann | I do think we need to discuss what we're going to do with libraries that are stable enough that we aren't going to have releases each cycle, though | 15:08 |
| smcginnis | I think I closed the tab now, but I seem to remember an etherpad to collect those kinds of lunch talk ideas. | 15:08 |
| dhellmann | maybe those do just move to independent | 15:08 |
| smcginnis | That might make sense. | 15:08 |
| ttx | arh | 15:08 |
| dhellmann | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/dublin-PTG-postlunch | 15:08 |
| smcginnis | I think we are going to have more of those dormant but stable projects going forward. | 15:08 |
| ttx | That hour just striked too early | 15:08 |
| fungi | indeed | 15:08 |
| dhellmann | anyway, that's a separate issue, because most of these things *did* have changes | 15:08 |
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| smcginnis | Yes, and some of them not an insignificant number of changes. | 15:09 |
| dhellmann | maybe we need a gate job for libraries where they can't land more than 10 patches without releasing :-) | 15:09 |
| smcginnis | Which points to just a complete lack of attention to schedule. | 15:09 |
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| smcginnis | dhellmann pulls out the big hammer. :) | 15:09 |
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| smcginnis | Not a bad idea either though. | 15:09 |
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| smcginnis | That would help get their attention. | 15:09 |
| lbragstad | ++ | 15:09 |
| fungi | yeah, i think things like requestsexceptions are, well, exceptions. very simple library, chances of not needing any changes in 6 months high | 15:09 |
| dhellmann | well, I'm sure it would go wrong, but maybe an automatic report would help | 15:10 |
| dhellmann | I mean blocking patches would go wrong, that is | 15:10 |
| lbragstad | that might help promote more of a release early, release often pattern? | 15:10 |
| ttx | So we have any remaining open infra issues ? | 15:10 |
| smcginnis | We do have the unreleased changes script. | 15:10 |
| dhellmann | fungi : as we stop syncing requirements, I think we're going to find a lot more of the oslo libs are also relatively stable | 15:10 |
| ttx | Do* | 15:10 |
| smcginnis | I was thinking of adding that to my set of cinder reports I automatically run and publish. | 15:10 |
| fungi | dhellmann: that would be... nice ;) | 15:10 |
| dhellmann | fungi : exactly | 15:10 |
| ttx | Yes I think it makes a good topic for PTG discussion to be fair | 15:11 |
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| dhellmann | smcginnis : yeah, we could use that or build on its output | 15:11 |
| ttx | releasing in an age of stability and limited resources | 15:11 |
| dhellmann | ttx: I was thinking just the release team would be involved, but do you want to schedule a session for that? | 15:11 |
| dhellmann | I figured we'd just talk about it during our half day | 15:12 |
| ttx | dhellmann: first us coming up with a plan I'd say | 15:12 |
| dhellmann | but I could see it being of interest to a wider audience | 15:12 |
| dhellmann | makes sense | 15:12 |
| ttx | I mean we'll mention the topic being discussed obviously | 15:12 |
| smcginnis | We could start there and try to see if we need to follow on with something more. | 15:12 |
| dhellmann | maybe we hold off on the post-lunch presentation until later in the week then, so we can include the outcome? | 15:12 |
| smcginnis | ++ | 15:12 |
| dhellmann | assuming we have one | 15:12 |
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| dhellmann | we may just mention it as a thing we're still working on | 15:13 |
| dhellmann | anyway, yeah, something to talk about at the ptg | 15:13 |
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| ttx | So... q3 done, library release/branching done | 15:13 |
| ttx | Anything left to do on requirement freezing ? | 15:13 |
| ttx | An open infra issue ? | 15:14 |
| ttx | Any* | 15:14 |
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| fungi | nothing i'm aware of | 15:15 |
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| ttx | On requirements, I see two conflicting asks for openstacksdk | 15:15 |
| fungi | aside from the releases site publication race | 15:15 |
| smcginnis | Me neither. I think we only have the rsync issue, but apparently that was always there but hidden. | 15:15 |
| smcginnis | ttx: For the g-r, not the u-c, right? | 15:15 |
| ttx | one sets u-c to ===0.9.19 | 15:16 |
| ttx | the other sets g-r to >=0.11.2 | 15:16 |
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| ttx | So conflicting I'd say | 15:17 |
| smcginnis | I commented on the one. | 15:17 |
| ttx | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/540388/ | 15:17 |
| patchbot | patch 540388 - requirements - Recap openstacksdk to 0.9.19 | 15:17 |
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| ttx | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/540343/ | 15:17 |
| patchbot | patch 540343 - requirements - Update lower bound for openstacksdk to 0.11.2 | 15:17 |
| smcginnis | I believe the newer one is needed, so raising the lower bounds looks like what is needed. | 15:17 |
| smcginnis | But maybe mordred can comment on there. | 15:17 |
| ttx | We need that one in before we start cutting RC1s, ideally | 15:18 |
| ttx | (or not in) | 15:18 |
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| ttx | that's the only open requirement FFE I could find | 15:18 |
| smcginnis | I hope it is resolved today. | 15:18 |
| ttx | prometheanfire will likely handle it | 15:19 |
| mordred | oh ... /me looks | 15:19 |
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| mordred | I don't think we should cap it back down ... we *definitely* need 0.11 for octavia-dashboard | 15:19 |
| mordred | I'd prefer raising the min - but if we don't it won't kill anyone since pip installs latest anyway | 15:19 |
| smcginnis | It would be more "correct" though. | 15:20 |
| dhellmann | exactly | 15:20 |
| ttx | mordred: can you make sure that whatever decision is made, it's made by Monday at the latest ? | 15:20 |
| ttx | We'll likely start to get RCs by then | 15:20 |
| ttx | and I'd like then to be up to date requirements-wise | 15:21 |
| mordred | ttx: sure! I actually defer to y'all on the right thing ... I mostly want to make sure we don't drop the constraints pin sincethat's the worst outcome | 15:21 |
| ttx | ok | 15:21 |
| mordred | I'm fine with any of the other outcomes that people feel are best | 15:21 |
| dhellmann | it sounds like raising the min is what we need | 15:21 |
| dhellmann | I'll -2 the constraints change | 15:21 |
| ttx | dhellmann: ack | 15:21 |
| smcginnis | mordred: With the octavia-dashboard dependency, it sounds like raising the minimum is the right approach to me. | 15:21 |
| ttx | smcginnis: OK looks like past week fun is under control. Let's move to discuss next week fun ? | 15:21 |
| smcginnis | Yep | 15:21 |
| smcginnis | #topic Prepping for RC1/ service branch week | 15:21 |
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| smcginnis | #link http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/releases/tree/PROCESS.rst#n190 Reference for current actions | 15:22 |
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| dhellmann | smcginnis : in addition to encouraging them to wait, maybe we should encourage them to use depends-on instead of WIP | 15:23 |
| dhellmann | that made it a lot easier to track dependencies of the pending releases | 15:23 |
| smcginnis | As far as putting up an RC patch while they are waiting for final commits to land? | 15:23 |
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| dhellmann | right | 15:23 |
| smcginnis | +1 for the tracking ability | 15:23 |
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| smcginnis | It is nice being able to take a look at where things are, and just a WIP makes it unclear if they are still waiting or just forgot. | 15:24 |
| dhellmann | maybe that's just me, but the WIP makes the patch fall to the bottom of the dashboard | 15:24 |
| smcginnis | ++ | 15:24 |
| dhellmann | that's a good point, too | 15:24 |
| smcginnis | OK - deliverables missing any intermediary release. | 15:24 |
| smcginnis | Same kinds of issues we had with libs. | 15:24 |
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| dhellmann | I wonder if patrole should really be cycle-based | 15:25 |
| dhellmann | we should probably send out a warning email about all of the projects (missing and old) today or monday | 15:26 |
| smcginnis | That's a tempest plugin, so I would think independent should be OK there. | 15:26 |
| smcginnis | I can do that. | 15:26 |
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| smcginnis | #action smcginnis to send out email alerting to projects with old or missing intermediary releases | 15:27 |
| dhellmann | and rather than working through all of the logic again, I think we should just say we're going to tag HEAD if we don't get a release by RC1 | 15:27 |
| smcginnis | That makes sense to me. | 15:27 |
| dhellmann | I think the same reasoning applies as for libraries | 15:27 |
| smcginnis | And is kind of our only good option in most cases it seems. | 15:27 |
| dhellmann | right | 15:27 |
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| dhellmann | if they don't want us to do that, they should let us know what their plan is | 15:28 |
| ttx | so... historically we have been rather flexible for WHEN rc1 hits | 15:28 |
| dhellmann | ttx: we paste that content into the etherpad every cycle. maybe we should reformat the readme. | 15:28 |
| smcginnis | The one thing with all of this - I wonder if we should log this somewhere to make sure it's easy to go back and see what was release tema initiated and what was not. | 15:28 |
| ttx | it's been "when ready" with a ideal target week | 15:28 |
| smcginnis | As far as determining what projects need to be removed. | 15:29 |
| dhellmann | ttx: that's true. I guess if we wait to branch something the only thing that's going to break is that project, right? | 15:29 |
| smcginnis | We would still force a release and branch, but wait until just before final release? | 15:30 |
| dhellmann | hmm, yeah | 15:30 |
| ttx | Well, we need a RC1 for the same reason we need an intermediary release: faility to fall back on a recent tag | 15:30 |
| ttx | ability | 15:30 |
| ttx | so on one side we really want an rc1. On the other we don't want half-baked RC1s | 15:31 |
| ttx | since those are in theory releasable | 15:31 |
| ttx | this is why we have that half/half policy | 15:32 |
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| ttx | tag RC1 when ready BUT ideally on that week | 15:32 |
| smcginnis | Maybe if nothing by Friday morning, we force it? | 15:32 |
| dhellmann | I think that's been fine for the projects that do it. We were concerned with the projects that don't propose one at all. | 15:32 |
| ttx | I'm not that concerned with RC1s... milestone projects just did a q3 and are aware | 15:33 |
| ttx | I'm more concerned with missing intermediaries, which is why I listed them | 15:33 |
| dhellmann | what about the intermediary projects? I'm calling those "release candidates" too, I guess, which is confusing. | 15:33 |
| ttx | yes | 15:34 |
| dhellmann | https://releases.openstack.org/reference/release_models.html#cycle-with-intermediary talks about preparing a release "near the end" of the cycle | 15:34 |
| ttx | historically we've had intermediaries being refreshed up to R-1 | 15:34 |
| ttx | which is OK IF you have a fallback | 15:35 |
| armstrong | smcginnis: Maybe if nothing by Friday morning, we force it? How? | 15:35 |
| dhellmann | https://releases.openstack.org/queens/schedule.html#q-finalrc has the dates for final intermediary releases as the week of 19 Feb | 15:35 |
| ttx | right | 15:35 |
| ttx | So I'm just concerned about those we don't have a good fallback for | 15:35 |
| dhellmann | armstrong : we propose a tag based on the HEAD of master for the project. | 15:35 |
| dhellmann | like we just did with a bunch of libraries | 15:35 |
| ttx | Missing intermediaries, or very old ones | 15:35 |
| smcginnis | armstrong: As in, the release team would propose the release instead of coming from the project itself. | 15:35 |
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| ttx | For everyone else, we just branch at last intermediary | 15:36 |
| dhellmann | ttx: what's our cut off for defining "old"? | 15:36 |
| ttx | been using 6 weeks | 15:36 |
| dhellmann | ok, we should probably write that down | 15:36 |
| ttx | well, I usually consider 2 months as old | 15:36 |
| ttx | I just also listed one that is 6-weeks old | 15:37 |
| armstrong | @smcginnis: @ dhellmann: thanks I got it now | 15:37 |
| smcginnis | I'm sure "old" varied from project to project too. | 15:37 |
| smcginnis | Based on its "stable" state. | 15:37 |
| dhellmann | that's true | 15:38 |
| ttx | So... | 15:38 |
| ttx | FOr the ones with OLD it's just a warning | 15:38 |
| ttx | Like making sure they know we'll fall back to that old one | 15:38 |
| smcginnis | Yeah, I'm more concerned with the ones that have not done any release. | 15:38 |
| ttx | I'm totally fine branching on that very old | 15:38 |
| dhellmann | ok | 15:39 |
| ttx | It's just good to give a fair warningm so that we can actually execute on that fallback mode | 15:39 |
| ttx | I'm MUCH more concerned with the missing ones. We've been trying to insert various safeguards in the process to not have them | 15:39 |
| smcginnis | I will make sure to call that out in the ML post I will send. | 15:39 |
| ttx | like reminders in weekly release enails | 15:39 |
| ttx | and yet we still have a bunch of them | 15:39 |
| dhellmann | how about the wording on lines 355 and 356? | 15:40 |
| ttx | So for the next release cycle I'd force a release earlier, like week before m3 | 15:40 |
| ttx | Not sure what to do this cycle though | 15:40 |
| dhellmann | yeah, I like the idea of an earlier deadline | 15:40 |
| smcginnis | dhellmann: Looks good to me. | 15:40 |
| dhellmann | although some of this feeling of scrambling is coming from the fact that it took us an extra week to do the milestone this week | 15:41 |
| ttx | sure | 15:41 |
| smcginnis | #info should consider adding note pre-milestone-3 to force release and branch cycle-with-intermediary that have not done any releases for the cycle | 15:41 |
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| ttx | dhellmann: your wording looks good. I just wish we did that further away from release | 15:41 |
| ttx | (for the unreleased ones) | 15:42 |
| smcginnis | Has this been as much of an issue in the past? The projects not doing any releases? | 15:42 |
| ttx | smcginnis: no, but we did a lot of cat herding | 15:42 |
| ttx | to ensure there won't be any | 15:42 |
| smcginnis | Like directly contacting PTLs? | 15:43 |
| ttx | yes | 15:43 |
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| ttx | starting a m-2 | 15:43 |
| smcginnis | Maybe we need to bring that back then. For libs and intermediary projects that have no releases, or a large number of outstanding commits. | 15:43 |
| ttx | I think it's fair to require a release by FF. It's just taht it's a busy week already so... | 15:44 |
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| ttx | FF-1 maybe | 15:44 |
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| ttx | anyway, topic for PTG discussion too | 15:44 |
| ttx | (as in relmgt team discussion | 15:44 |
| smcginnis | But I could see before FF being too soon for some. | 15:44 |
| smcginnis | Yep | 15:45 |
| dhellmann | #link https://review.openstack.org/540425 add release warning and forced release steps to the process | 15:45 |
| patchbot | patch 540425 - releases - add release warning and forced release steps to th... | 15:45 |
| ttx | For now let's just run with dhellmann-s wording | 15:45 |
| dhellmann | we can iterate on the wording on ^^ too | 15:45 |
| smcginnis | Nice! | 15:45 |
| ttx | smcginnis: let's review tasks, assign them and strike out those we already did | 15:45 |
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| ttx | I thihnk you covered some in your release weekly reminder | 15:46 |
| smcginnis | OK, the pre RC1 ones, I think I covered 1 and 3 in my countdown email. | 15:46 |
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| smcginnis | I will cover 4 and 5 with a new email later today. | 15:47 |
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| smcginnis | What have we done in the past with item 2? | 15:47 |
| ttx | just a message in the weekly email I think | 15:48 |
| dhellmann | I think that's mostly just been -- yeah | 15:48 |
| dhellmann | at this point we haven't been adding a lot of independent releases so I'm not too worried about it | 15:48 |
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| smcginnis | And that's for the independent ones that are tagging their own, but now moving to have us do their releases? | 15:49 |
| ttx | So tasks below line 359 are probably not for the coming week | 15:49 |
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| ttx | I'll move them to post-RC1 week | 15:49 |
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| smcginnis | ttx: Should we move those into the "Tasks" for next week to make sure we cover them and can mark them done? | 15:50 |
| ttx | yes | 15:50 |
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| ttx | done | 15:51 |
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| smcginnis | OK, I think we have a plan then. Or at least a plan for a plan. | 15:51 |
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| smcginnis | Anything else we need to make sure we cover in the meeting? | 15:52 |
| dhellmann | we moved all of those warning and encouragement emails to next week? instead of sending them today? | 15:52 |
| smcginnis | I will send the email today. | 15:52 |
| dhellmann | ok | 15:52 |
| ttx | dhellmann: It's post-meeting tasks :) | 15:52 |
| dhellmann | ah, I see | 15:52 |
| dhellmann | you start you week after the meeting :-) | 15:53 |
| smcginnis | But I think acting on them will next week. | 15:53 |
| ttx | I wanted to quickly discuss final releases extra tasks | 15:53 |
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| ttx | Encouraging release highlights, | 15:53 |
| ttx | Checking release notes for completeness | 15:53 |
| smcginnis | Oh, right. | 15:53 |
| ttx | I think that's mostly weekly email material | 15:53 |
| dhellmann | we can review for highlights when we start getting rc1 tags, too | 15:53 |
| smcginnis | Ann sent out a reminder on it yesterday. | 15:54 |
| ttx | but we may want to spend extra time ensuring release highlights end up being usable | 15:54 |
| smcginnis | And we have a couple patches adding some, so that will help having examples. | 15:54 |
| dhellmann | ok, good, I probably just haven't hit that point in my inbox | 15:54 |
| smcginnis | I need to change the formatting for those. It's just confusing right now. | 15:54 |
| ttx | because how it goes the first time will probably determine the future of it | 15:54 |
| dhellmann | is annabelleB going to review the highlights? or is that up to us? | 15:54 |
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| smcginnis | Hmm, I think mostly us, but I think it would be good if we can get her to review it from a marketing perspective. | 15:55 |
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| dhellmann | annabelleB : o/ | 15:55 |
| annabelleB | o/ | 15:55 |
| smcginnis | I do fear they will end up getting to low level technical for what we are targeting. | 15:55 |
| ttx | dhellmann: I don't think we want to review them | 15:55 |
| ttx | just encouraging PTLs to fill them when we talk to them ? | 15:55 |
| dhellmann | so I was asking whether you're planning to help review release highlights as they come in, or if you want to do that after a bunch are there and maybe tweak the wording? | 15:55 |
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| dhellmann | that makes sense | 15:56 |
| smcginnis | ttx: I would like to at least make sure what they add makes sense for what is intended for. | 15:56 |
| dhellmann | if we're trying to guide them to producing useful notes, we may have to change them from what is originally written | 15:56 |
| ttx | smcginnis: ok | 15:56 |
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| annabelleB | happy to help review. I can do my best to keep up with them as they come in, rather than having time pass then people seeing changes | 15:57 |
| smcginnis | At least to have some suggestions. But maybe annabelleB can do some clean up and tweaking after they've merged? | 15:57 |
| annabelleB | dhellmann: agree, definitely on this first one | 15:57 |
| annabelleB | smcginnis: sure, happy to do it either way | 15:57 |
| dhellmann | sounds good. I'll try to add annabelleB to reviews that have the highlights and give her a chance to look at them. | 15:58 |
| smcginnis | ++ | 15:58 |
| annabelleB | I do see already we’ve hit some corners like ‘where does cross project work go?' | 15:58 |
| dhellmann | maybe we want the policy to be that fixes should come as follow-ups, though, so we don't mess with deadlines | 15:58 |
| annabelleB | +1, definitely don’t want to hold up deadlines | 15:58 |
| smcginnis | Yeah, I wouldn't want to hold things up more than necessary for something like this. | 15:58 |
| smcginnis | Maybe just comment with suggestions, but don't downvote. | 15:59 |
| smcginnis | And we can clean up after the fact. | 15:59 |
| dhellmann | yeah | 15:59 |
| ttx | Last thing to discuss - do we do a meeting next week ? dhellmann/smcginnis won't be around. Happy to chair it if needed | 15:59 |
| annabelleB | works for me | 15:59 |
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| smcginnis | I may or may not be in a good place to still be here for the meeting, but otherwise I will be out. | 15:59 |
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| dhellmann | we could skip or meet on thursday | 15:59 |
| smcginnis | * I will be out but still checking in if any trailing RC activies. | 16:00 |
| smcginnis | *activities | 16:00 |
| smcginnis | I would be fine keeping our normal meeting time. | 16:00 |
| smcginnis | My online access should be better than last Friday. | 16:01 |
| dhellmann | ok. I will probably be in the car on the way to the airport but I can check the logs later in the day | 16:01 |
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| smcginnis | OK, over time. Let's plan on normal meeting time unless something comes up before then to change that. | 16:02 |
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| smcginnis | Thanks everyone. | 16:02 |
| dhellmann | thanks! | 16:02 |
| smcginnis | #endmeeting | 16:02 |
| armstrong | Thanks | 16:02 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/releaseteam/2018/releaseteam.2018-02-02-15.01.log.html | 16:02 |
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