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| hongbin | #startmeeting zun | 03:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Tue Nov 28 03:00:10 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is hongbin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 03:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 03:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'zun' | 03:00 |
| hongbin | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Zun#Agenda_for_2017-11-28_0300_UTC Today's agenda | 03:00 |
| hongbin | #topic Roll Call | 03:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Roll Call (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:00 | |
| kevinz | o/ | 03:00 |
| mkrai | o/ | 03:01 |
| hongbin | hi kevinz mkrai | 03:01 |
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| mkrai | hi hongbin kevinz | 03:02 |
| hongbin | it looks it is three of us today, we could have a short update for each other, then end the meeting shortly | 03:02 |
| mkrai | ok | 03:02 |
| hongbin | kevinz: want to go first ? | 03:02 |
| kevinz | hongbin: OK | 03:02 |
| kevinz | Last meeting I referred that add support for run container with create new volume | 03:03 |
| kevinz | This patch has finished, I will push to review in 5 minutes | 03:03 |
| hongbin | awesome | 03:03 |
| kevinz | Also, I've checked kuryr-kubernetes | 03:03 |
| kevinz | Plan to refer it first to do the POC of the connector-k8s | 03:04 |
| hongbin | why refer kuryr-kubernetes ? | 03:04 |
| kevinz | Kuryr-kuberbetes has some same implementation do things as a intermediary | 03:04 |
| hongbin | oh i remembered, you mentioned the watch framework in async | 03:05 |
| kevinz | For kuryr-k8s, it need to talk with k8s api server and neutron client | 03:05 |
| kevinz | So for us, it need to talk with k8s api server and zun client | 03:05 |
| hongbin | yes | 03:05 |
| kevinz | So the framework is the same | 03:05 |
| hongbin | i see | 03:05 |
| hongbin | sounds good | 03:06 |
| hongbin | anything else from your side ? | 03:06 |
| kevinz | The aci-connector-k8s use timer task, I find it is not very good solution for production env | 03:06 |
| kevinz | Just a "demo" I think | 03:07 |
| hongbin | what is timer task ? | 03:07 |
| kevinz | aci-connector-k8s will talk with K8s api server every several seconds | 03:07 |
| hongbin | oh i see | 03:08 |
| kevinz | just like polling | 03:08 |
| hongbin | it is definitely not ideal since we k8s api is watchable | 03:08 |
| kevinz | yes i think so | 03:08 |
| kevinz | So move to kuryr-k8s framework | 03:09 |
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| kevinz | that's all from my side | 03:10 |
| hongbin | ok, thanks kevinz for the update | 03:10 |
| hongbin | mkrai: want to go next ? | 03:10 |
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| mkrai | yes sure | 03:11 |
| mkrai | I posted update on my patch on including Clear Container as new runtime | 03:11 |
| mkrai | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/499534/ | 03:11 |
| mkrai | But it didn't work | 03:11 |
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| mkrai | I will post another patch today | 03:12 |
| hongbin | need any help for that ? | 03:12 |
| hongbin | ok | 03:12 |
| mkrai | I will try it today and if it doesn't work, will ask for help :) | 03:12 |
| mkrai | hongbin: Thank you :) | 03:12 |
| mkrai | That's all from me | 03:12 |
| hongbin | mkrai: thanks madhuri | 03:12 |
| hongbin | then, i will give a short update from my side | 03:13 |
| hongbin | last week, i am cleaning up the sriov patches | 03:13 |
| hongbin | most of the patches were merged, thanks all for reviewing | 03:13 |
| hongbin | in addition, i am opening a new track for the package manager | 03:14 |
| hongbin | there is a WIP spec up for review | 03:14 |
| hongbin | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/zun/+spec/zun-app-package-manager | 03:14 |
| mkrai | I saw the spec. I will review the spec and post my comment there | 03:15 |
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| mkrai | This will be a great feature. | 03:15 |
| hongbin | this feature is targeted for application deployer, and make them easier to deploy zun applicaiton | 03:15 |
| kevinz | Does the file stored in DB or local directory? | 03:15 |
| hongbin | it is like k8s helm, it could be stored in a github repo | 03:16 |
| hongbin | or it can be local | 03:16 |
| kevinz | sorry, I mean the "helm chart file" | 03:16 |
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| hongbin | i think there are two options: local and github | 03:17 |
| hongbin | we could maintain a github repository for storing package that is for sharing (like docker hub for docker image) | 03:17 |
| kevinz | OK thanks hongbin | 03:18 |
| hongbin | by default, chart is pulled from github | 03:18 |
| hongbin | however, there is another option to upload local 'chart' | 03:18 |
| hongbin | i will write down the details in the spec | 03:18 |
| kevinz | I have one more question, I don't like heat :-) Do we support other more friendly deployment tools? | 03:19 |
| kevinz | Maybe a not proper question, haha | 03:19 |
| mkrai | :D | 03:19 |
| mkrai | We don't use heat now | 03:19 |
| hongbin | i am thinking how to answer it :) | 03:19 |
| mkrai | Where it will be used kevinz ? | 03:20 |
| hongbin | kevinz: if we don't use heat, any other options available ? | 03:20 |
| kevinz | mkrai: use heat template to deploy the container from the spec | 03:21 |
| mkrai | ok you mean container orchestration? | 03:21 |
| kevinz | hongbin: I'm thinking also. I suspect user may don't like to learn more complex heat template | 03:22 |
| hongbin | kevinz: ack | 03:22 |
| kevinz | mkrai: Yeah, deploy server container to realize a function. That need orchestration | 03:23 |
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| kevinz | mkrai: Just like here in line 89 https://review.openstack.org/#/c/523009/2/specs/zun-package-manager.rst | 03:24 |
| mkrai | kevinz: Thanks for the link | 03:24 |
| mkrai | I will have a look | 03:24 |
| hongbin | kevinz: could you leave your comment in the spec, i will think about it | 03:26 |
| hongbin | kevinz: about the heat alternative idea | 03:26 |
| kevinz | hongbin: Sure, I will | 03:26 |
| kevinz | thanks hongbin | 03:26 |
| hongbin | kevinz: thanks | 03:26 |
| hongbin | ok, all, thanks for joining hte meeting | 03:27 |
| hongbin | if there is nothing else, i will end the meeting shortly | 03:27 |
| mkrai | Thanks everyone | 03:27 |
| hongbin | #endmeeting | 03:27 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 03:27 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Nov 28 03:27:39 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 03:27 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zun/2017/zun.2017-11-28-03.00.html | 03:27 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zun/2017/zun.2017-11-28-03.00.txt | 03:27 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zun/2017/zun.2017-11-28-03.00.log.html | 03:27 |
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| tpatil | Hi | 04:00 |
| rkmrHonjo | hi | 04:00 |
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| samP___ | hi all for masakari | 04:00 |
| tpatil | samP: Ping? | 04:01 |
| tpatil | Hi | 04:01 |
| samP___ | #startmeeting masakari | 04:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Nov 28 04:01:05 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is samP___. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 04:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 04:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: masakari)" | 04:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'masakari' | 04:01 |
| samP___ | Hi all, sorry Im bit late | 04:01 |
| samP___ | let's start | 04:01 |
| samP___ | I will not be able to attend next 2 meetings, which 12/5 and 12/12 | 04:02 |
| samP___ | #topic Bugs | 04:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bugs (Meeting topic: masakari)" | 04:02 | |
| samP___ | Any bug to discuss? | 04:02 |
| rkmrHonjo | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/486576/ | 04:02 |
| rkmrHonjo | The above patch addresses py35 UT errors. Please review it. | 04:03 |
| tpatil | ok | 04:03 |
| samP___ | rkmrHonjo: thanks, I will | 04:03 |
| rkmrHonjo | tpatil, samP: thanks! | 04:03 |
| samP___ | Any other bugs? | 04:04 |
| samP___ | if not lets move to discussion. If any, please bring them up in AOB | 04:04 |
| samP___ | #topic Discussion | 04:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Discussion (Meeting topic: masakari)" | 04:05 | |
| samP___ | (1) Horizon plugin | 04:05 |
| samP___ | Any update? | 04:05 |
| tpatil | rkmrHonjo: question: You haven't made any changes to MasakariException, it has message attribute | 04:05 |
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| tpatil | rkmrHonjo : so any exception inherited from MAsakariException can use message attribute | 04:06 |
| tpatil | #link https://github.com/openstack/masakari/blob/master/masakari/exception.py#L150 | 04:07 |
| samP___ | tpatil: correct | 04:08 |
| rkmrHonjo | tpail: Ah...Ok, I create a new patch and address it. | 04:08 |
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| tpatil | rkmrHonjo: Ok, Thanks | 04:08 |
| rkmrHonjo | tpatil: thank you for pointing out. | 04:09 |
| samP___ | rkmrHonjo: tpatil: thanks | 04:09 |
| samP___ | About the Horizon Plughin, I think create project patch will merge soon, once you fix the comments given | 04:10 |
| samP___ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/516550/ | 04:10 |
| tpatil | samP: Niraj has uploaded new PS after fixing the review comments | 04:11 |
| samP___ | Add #openstack-masakari to access bot is done. | 04:11 |
| Dinesh_Bhor | We just need to answer the question and PTL +1. | 04:11 |
| nsingh | i will submit the patch today after anwer the given question. | 04:12 |
| samP___ | Dinesh_Bhor: about pre-existing code? I think answer is NO, right? | 04:12 |
| Dinesh_Bhor | samP___: yes | 04:12 |
| samP___ | sure, I will put my +1 to patch | 04:13 |
| tpatil | So basically, we are starting masakari-dashboard project from scratch | 04:13 |
| Dinesh_Bhor | samP___: We don't have a code in other github repo to be directly forked to masakari-dashboard | 04:13 |
| samP___ | tpatil: correct | 04:13 |
| tpatil | nsingh: Please reply to the question | 04:14 |
| nsingh | yes | 04:14 |
| samP___ | then the answer is NO and once infra team created the repo, initi with cookiecutter and start working on actual code | 04:14 |
| tpatil | nsingh: Thanks | 04:14 |
| samP___ | tpatil: Dinesh_Bhor: nsingh: thank you | 04:15 |
| samP___ | I put my +1 | 04:16 |
| samP___ | nsingh: Ping me if you need anything | 04:16 |
| samP___ | (2) Install guide document | 04:16 |
| nsingh | samP__: yes thank you | 04:16 |
| samP___ | I checked the docs for Masakari and LGTM. Now waiting with my +2 | 04:17 |
| samP___ | Please check and merge. | 04:17 |
| samP___ | Still have one docs to review for masakari-monitors. I will do it soon | 04:18 |
| tpatil | samP__: Ok | 04:18 |
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| samP___ | (3) recovery method customization | 04:19 |
| samP___ | Dinesh_Bhor: thanks for updating spec | 04:20 |
| Dinesh_Bhor | I have updated the spec: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/458023/ | 04:20 |
| Dinesh_Bhor | Fix queens spec directory structure: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/522219/ | 04:20 |
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| samP___ | Dinesh_Bhor: thanks. How will continue this spec? you or Abhishek? | 04:21 |
| samP___ | s/How/Who | 04:21 |
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| tpatil | samP__: Dinesh will takeover this specs and implementation | 04:21 |
| Dinesh_Bhor | samP___: yes | 04:21 |
| samP___ | tpatil: Dinesh_Bhor: got it. Thanks. | 04:22 |
| samP___ | I will review this. | 04:22 |
| samP___ | (4) Find hosts without specifying segments | 04:22 |
| samP___ | Sorry for the delay and thanks for update the spec and code | 04:23 |
| samP___ | I will review this after recovery method customization spec | 04:24 |
| rkmrHonjo | samP: Thanks. | 04:24 |
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| samP___ | (5) Queens Work Items | 04:24 |
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| samP___ | rkmrHonjo: NP | 04:24 |
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| samP___ | Except above discussed, I think no changes/updates in Queens Work Items | 04:25 |
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| samP___ | (6) Ansible support for Masakari | 04:26 |
| samP___ | I brought up this topic since we had some requests from many people | 04:26 |
| tpatil | samP: We will start understanding how to develop Ansible plugins for installing masakari service | 04:27 |
| samP___ | I will share current OSA scripts I use for masakari under my github | 04:27 |
| tpatil | samP: Thanks, that will definitely help us to understand things quickly | 04:28 |
| samP___ | I think we need to add a BP for OSA | 04:28 |
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| samP___ | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-ansible | 04:29 |
| samP___ | tpatil: Before proceed we need to discuss with OSA team | 04:29 |
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| tpatil | samP: ok, but before that we need to understand few things from our side before approaching OSA team | 04:31 |
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| samP___ | tpatil: sure | 04:31 |
| tpatil | samP: thank you | 04:32 |
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| samP___ | Today I had a meeting with OPNFV deployment team | 04:32 |
| samP___ | They are planning to include Masakari (pike) into OPNFV F release | 04:33 |
| samP___ | One requirement form them was OSA plugin for masakari | 04:33 |
| tpatil | samP: what is the timeframe of OPNFV F release? | 04:34 |
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| samP___ | Final dead line is 2nd of May 2018 | 04:35 |
| tpatil | samP: Ok, so before that we need to add OSA plugin for Masakari, correct? | 04:36 |
| samP___ | sorry, 2nd of March 2018 | 04:36 |
| samP___ | not May | 04:36 |
| samP___ | If we can do it in queens release, then OK | 04:36 |
| samP___ | I not sure what are deadline for new BP in OSA team | 04:37 |
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| tpatil | samP: I will find out this info and after understanding the OSA plugins, I will let you know how much time it would take to develop these plugins | 04:38 |
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| samP___ | Even if we can not merge it to queens, working code also would be fine. I need to confirm this with OPNFV team. | 04:38 |
| samP___ | tpatil: sure | 04:39 |
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| samP___ | (7) BMHA | 04:39 |
| samP___ | no update | 04:39 |
| samP___ | #topic AOB | 04:40 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "AOB (Meeting topic: masakari)" | 04:40 | |
| samP___ | Any other topics? | 04:40 |
| rkmrHonjo | I don't have topics. | 04:40 |
| tpatil | Nothing from my end | 04:41 |
| Dinesh_Bhor | nothing from my side. | 04:41 |
| samP___ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/522711/ | 04:41 |
| samP___ | I propose ^^ patch to add #openstack-masakari to meetbot and statusbot | 04:42 |
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| samP___ | After merge that, we could have this meeting on #openstack-masakari | 04:42 |
| rkmrHonjo | great! | 04:43 |
| samP___ | and all discussions happen in #openstack-masakari will be logged. | 04:43 |
| Dinesh_Bhor | samP___: does this means openstack-masakari channel logs will be recorded? | 04:43 |
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| samP___ | yes | 04:43 |
| Dinesh_Bhor | samP___: ohh great | 04:43 |
| Dinesh_Bhor | thanks | 04:43 |
| tpatil | That's nice | 04:43 |
| samP___ | I asked this when we create this project, however at that time there was no empty slots in meetbot and un-official projects had low priority | 04:45 |
| samP___ | I think now, meetbot have 20+ slots lefe. | 04:45 |
| samP___ | let's see. | 04:45 |
| samP___ | If no other topics, then let's end this meeting early | 04:46 |
| samP___ | If you have any other topics to discuss, please use the ML or #openstack-masakari | 04:46 |
| samP___ | Thank you all | 04:46 |
| rkmrHonjo | thank you. | 04:46 |
| tpatil | Thank you | 04:46 |
| Dinesh_Bhor | Thank you all | 04:47 |
| samP___ | #endmeeting | 04:47 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Nov 28 04:47:13 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 04:47 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/masakari/2017/masakari.2017-11-28-04.01.html | 04:47 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/masakari/2017/masakari.2017-11-28-04.01.txt | 04:47 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/masakari/2017/masakari.2017-11-28-04.01.log.html | 04:47 |
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| ruijiej | #startmeeting senlin | 13:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Nov 28 13:00:04 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ruijiej. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:00 |
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| ruijiej | hi | 13:04 |
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| ruijiej | #endmeeting | 13:17 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Nov 28 13:17:46 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:17 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/senlin/2017/senlin.2017-11-28-13.00.html | 13:17 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/senlin/2017/senlin.2017-11-28-13.00.txt | 13:17 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/senlin/2017/senlin.2017-11-28-13.00.log.html | 13:17 |
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| igordc | hi ccf folks | 14:04 |
| bcafarel | igordc: hey | 14:05 |
| igordc | me and davidsha are not yet available to/join start the meeting due to unexpected events... we will be able to in about 5-8 minutes | 14:06 |
| igordc | apologies | 14:06 |
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| davidsha | #startmeeting network_common_flow_classifier | 14:17 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Nov 28 14:17:16 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is davidsha. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:17 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:17 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'network_common_flow_classifier' | 14:17 |
| davidsha | Hi, sorry for being late! | 14:17 |
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| bcafarel | hey | 14:18 |
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| igordc | hello hello | 14:18 |
| davidsha | I'll go straight to Open Discussion, I haven't any updates on the patches. | 14:19 |
| davidsha | Is that ok? | 14:19 |
| igordc | davidsha: yes | 14:20 |
| davidsha | #topic Open Discussion | 14:20 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: network_common_flow_classifier)" | 14:20 | |
| davidsha | bcafarel: would you be interested in taking over chairing this meeting? | 14:21 |
| bcafarel | I had to check the reviews list, I did not even remember what was the patches status :/ | 14:21 |
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| davidsha | tmorin left a review on the oslo + models patch that needs to be addressed, but I believe I have someone interested in picking up that patch | 14:22 |
| bcafarel | oh that would be nice | 14:22 |
| bcafarel | davidsha: no problem chairing the meeting, though for working on ccf itself I have limited bandwith for the next few months | 14:23 |
| davidsha | bcafarel: taking over the meeting or someone picking up the patch ;) | 14:23 |
| bcafarel | obviously someone picking up the patch sounds better :) | 14:23 |
| davidsha | That's fair enough, There were 2 guys interested in development. I believe they are both ramping up on the patches. | 14:24 |
| davidsha | If you're interested, I might try to organize a google hangout between us to help get the up to speed? | 14:25 |
| davidsha | I just need to find out what time zones they're in. | 14:26 |
| bcafarel | davidsha: sure, though on current code igordc and you are probably the most knowledgeable | 14:26 |
| bcafarel | if you find guys in Australia it will not be easy ;) | 14:27 |
| davidsha | Sure, I presume the people who work on CCF are up for challenges anyways ;P | 14:27 |
| davidsha | I'll also add you and tmorin as core reviewers to the neutron-classifier repo. | 14:28 |
| davidsha | I'll try to stay on top of patches and help with reviews while I can, | 14:28 |
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| davidsha | Thats all from me I think, is there anything anyone else would like to bring up? | 14:30 |
| bcafarel | davidsha: ack thanks | 14:31 |
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| igordc | sounds great | 14:31 |
| bcafarel | not sure if sending a "ccf needs manpower, come and help us" mail to openstack-dev will help for headcount | 14:31 |
| davidsha | bcafarel: you'll be in Dublin for the PTG right? | 14:32 |
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| bcafarel | davidsha: I hope :) | 14:32 |
| davidsha | Well maybe less of a "needs help" and more of a "We invite you to participate in this exciting opportunity..." | 14:33 |
| davidsha | :) | 14:33 |
| bcafarel | davidsha: ok you win you write the mail :) | 14:33 |
| davidsha | Damn! | 14:33 |
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| davidsha | I'll draft something by the end of this week. | 14:34 |
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| bcafarel | hopefully some people in Dublin PTG will show interest too | 14:35 |
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| davidsha | bcafarel: Yes, I think we'll need all our patches merged by then before that though, If the other projects can start trying out PoCs then they'll also contribute to extend and maintain the API. | 14:37 |
| bcafarel | davidsha: yeah getting some v0 in before that would be great | 14:38 |
| davidsha | +1 | 14:39 |
| davidsha | ... +2 WF +1.. | 14:39 |
| bcafarel | :) not yet I think there are some comments by tmorin first! | 14:40 |
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| davidsha | I'll get in touch with the new guys and ask them to attend the next meeting if possible. | 14:40 |
| davidsha | bcafarel: I can add them as notes to the patch for example: "#Note(tmorin) This dict key is mispelled, this needs more unit test coverage" | 14:41 |
| bcafarel | that's possible indeed | 14:42 |
| bcafarel | anyways as long as we do not flag a v1, big changes can still go in | 14:43 |
| davidsha | bcafarel: that was a joke :P | 14:43 |
| davidsha | maybe I should hold off on those core reviewer rights... :P | 14:43 |
| bcafarel | davidsha: why, don't want your last big commit to be so horrible everyone will cross the road when they see you? | 14:44 |
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| davidsha | bcafarel: It would certainly be a good to make my name in the community :P | 14:44 |
| bcafarel | :) | 14:45 |
| davidsha | I can't be famous so I should just be infamous and all that! | 14:45 |
| bcafarel | hmm ok maybe we will stick to the plan to wait until we have an "acceptable" v0 | 14:46 |
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| igordc | I think davidsha should pursue a career in hollywood or the music industry instead! | 14:47 |
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| davidsha | igordc: I have the face of a pit bull chewing a wasp, that could be difficult! | 14:48 |
| bcafarel | that could be the next trend | 14:48 |
| davidsha | Its all about timing I suppose :) | 14:49 |
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| davidsha | Should we wrap this up then or shall we speculate further on my future in Hollywood? | 14:51 |
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| igordc | davidsha: I was gonna start drafting the manuscript for "the wasp that bit the dog" | 14:52 |
| bcafarel | let's just hope you don't forget us when you are there | 14:52 |
| bcafarel | and else we can wrap up I guess (coffee is almost ready) | 14:52 |
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| davidsha | cool, Look forward to my agent receiving the first draft, and I'll put a reminder in my calender now :P | 14:53 |
| davidsha | #endmeeting | 14:54 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Nov 28 14:54:08 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:54 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/network_common_flow_classifier/2017/network_common_flow_classifier.2017-11-28-14.17.html | 14:54 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/network_common_flow_classifier/2017/network_common_flow_classifier.2017-11-28-14.17.txt | 14:54 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/network_common_flow_classifier/2017/network_common_flow_classifier.2017-11-28-14.17.log.html | 14:54 |
| bcafarel | :) | 14:54 |
| igordc | bye all | 14:54 |
| davidsha | see ye! | 14:54 |
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| ihrachys | #startmeeting neutron_ci | 16:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Nov 28 16:01:19 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ihrachys. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_ci)" | 16:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_ci' | 16:01 |
| mlavalle | o/ | 16:01 |
| jlibosva | o/ | 16:01 |
| haleyb | hi | 16:01 |
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| ihrachys | hello folks | 16:01 |
| ihrachys | #topic Actions from prev meeting | 16:01 |
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| ihrachys | as usual, we start with actions from last meeting | 16:02 |
| ihrachys | first is "jlibosva to figure out why unstable_test didn't work for fullstack scenario case" | 16:02 |
| ihrachys | though afaiu we figured it out in the meeting | 16:02 |
| jlibosva | we figured that out in the last meeting itself | 16:02 |
| jlibosva | right, it was because it failed in setup phase | 16:02 |
| ihrachys | and we decided to leave it as is | 16:02 |
| mlavalle | yes | 16:02 |
| ihrachys | + your patch that bumped the timeout to wait agents in fullstack | 16:03 |
| jlibosva | right - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/522872/ | 16:03 |
| ihrachys | I mean this one: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/522872/ | 16:03 |
| ihrachys | ok | 16:03 |
| ihrachys | I guess we could backport it to reduce spurious failures from stable | 16:03 |
| ihrachys | next was "jlibosva to investigate / report a bug for env deployment failure in fullstack because of port down" | 16:03 |
| ihrachys | and that's basically the fix above | 16:03 |
| jlibosva | correct - bug here https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1734357 | 16:04 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1734357 in neutron "fullstack: Test runner doesn't wait enough time for env to come up" [High,Fix released] - Assigned to Jakub Libosvar (libosvar) | 16:04 |
| jlibosva | and I requested the backport to pike right now - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/523453/ | 16:04 |
| ihrachys | jlibosva, so you observed up to 3 mins waiting on agents? | 16:04 |
| jlibosva | no, I observed 67 seconds but I wanted to be safe so I tripled the value | 16:04 |
| jlibosva | it's active polling so once env is ready, the waiting loop stopps | 16:05 |
| jlibosva | stops* | 16:05 |
| ihrachys | I see. why is it so slow though? is it because of high parallelism? | 16:05 |
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| jlibosva | so the worst case, we wait three minutes only when there is real issue | 16:05 |
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| ihrachys | or would be same in single thread | 16:05 |
| jlibosva | I didn't investigate that, I saw it took 30 seconds for the ovs-agent to start logging | 16:05 |
| jlibosva | i.e. between test runner spawning process and process actually doing something was a 30 seconds gap | 16:05 |
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| jlibosva | so it sounds like busy machine. but I haven't checked load and cpu usage stats | 16:06 |
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| ihrachys | ok, I guess if it's something serious it will resurface eventually | 16:07 |
| ihrachys | the job already takes a lot of time. we won't be able to push the boundary indefinitely while adding new cases | 16:07 |
| ihrachys | ok, moving on | 16:07 |
| ihrachys | "ihrachys to investigate latest https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1673531 failures" | 16:07 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1673531 in neutron "fullstack test_controller_timeout_does_not_break_connectivity_sigkill(GRE and l2pop,openflow-native_ovsdb-cli) failure" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to Ihar Hrachyshka (ihar-hrachyshka) | 16:07 |
| ihrachys | I had a look at logs | 16:07 |
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| ihrachys | so the test case fails on polling port of second fake machine for ACTIVE | 16:08 |
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| ihrachys | here is the first attempt: http://logs.openstack.org/71/520371/7/check/legacy-neutron-dsvm-fullstack/ad585a2/logs/dsvm-fullstack-logs/TestOvsConnectivitySameNetworkOnOvsBridgeControllerStop.test_controller_timeout_does_not_break_connectivity_sigkill_GRE-and-l2pop,openflow-native_.txt.gz#_2017-11-20_21_59_56_469 | 16:08 |
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| ihrachys | actually, the attempt is the only one, despite us using wait_until_true | 16:08 |
| ihrachys | and this is because for some reason neutron-server hanged in the middle processing request | 16:09 |
| ihrachys | here is where the server eventually gives up: http://logs.openstack.org/71/520371/7/check/legacy-neutron-dsvm-fullstack/ad585a2/logs/dsvm-fullstack-logs/TestOvsConnectivitySameNetworkOnOvsBridgeControllerStop.test_controller_timeout_does_not_break_connectivity_sigkill_GRE-and-l2pop,openflow-native_/neutron-server--2017-11-20--21-57-14-411163.txt.gz#_2017-11-20_22_01_03_475 | 16:09 |
| ihrachys | probably triggered by DELETE sent during cleanup of the test case | 16:09 |
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| ihrachys | note that those are two only messages with the req-id in the server log | 16:09 |
| ihrachys | not sure what to make of it yet | 16:10 |
| ihrachys | usually we have some messages from when the request arrives | 16:10 |
| ihrachys | it could be though that it didn't for some reason | 16:10 |
| ihrachys | and then we see it e.g. repeated in the background / tcp connectivity to server finally recovered but it's too late | 16:11 |
| jlibosva | so you're saying that wait_until_true doesn't actually poll? | 16:12 |
| ihrachys | jlibosva, maybe it's locked because it waits for reply to its request | 16:13 |
| ihrachys | we wait for 60 seconds there | 16:13 |
| ihrachys | and after that it bails out | 16:13 |
| ihrachys | and the client apparently also waits 60s+ for reply | 16:13 |
| ihrachys | so we don't ever have a chance to actually retry with new http request | 16:13 |
| ihrachys | if f.e. the previous one is lost somehow by the server | 16:14 |
| jlibosva | I see | 16:14 |
| ihrachys | also note that the message in server log is 6s+ after 60s | 16:14 |
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| ihrachys | oh and one more thing there | 16:15 |
| ihrachys | there are two ports there (two fake machines) | 16:16 |
| ihrachys | first one is ACTIVE, and here is the message in test log that gives the req-id: http://logs.openstack.org/71/520371/7/check/legacy-neutron-dsvm-fullstack/ad585a2/logs/dsvm-fullstack-logs/TestOvsConnectivitySameNetworkOnOvsBridgeControllerStop.test_controller_timeout_does_not_break_connectivity_sigkill_GRE-and-l2pop,openflow-native_.txt.gz#_2017-11-20_21_59_56_468 | 16:16 |
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| ihrachys | but when you search for the id in server log, you don't have it there at all | 16:16 |
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| ihrachys | but if you try to relate messages, the request is probably this: http://logs.openstack.org/71/520371/7/check/legacy-neutron-dsvm-fullstack/ad585a2/logs/dsvm-fullstack-logs/TestOvsConnectivitySameNetworkOnOvsBridgeControllerStop.test_controller_timeout_does_not_break_connectivity_sigkill_GRE-and-l2pop,openflow-native_/neutron-server--2017-11-20--21-57-14-411163.txt.gz#_2017-11-20_21_59_56_456 | 16:18 |
| ihrachys | note a different id | 16:18 |
| jlibosva | I also noted http://logs.openstack.org/71/520371/7/check/legacy-neutron-dsvm-fullstack/ad585a2/logs/dsvm-fullstack-logs/TestOvsConnectivitySameNetworkOnOvsBridgeControllerStop.test_controller_timeout_does_not_break_connectivity_sigkill_GRE-and-l2pop,openflow-native_/neutron-server--2017-11-20--21-57-14-411163.txt.gz#_2017-11-20_22_00_00_838 | 16:18 |
| jlibosva | which is 4 seconds after querying the API | 16:18 |
| jlibosva | so maybe ovs agent reported something in the meantime | 16:18 |
| ihrachys | how is it possible that we have different req-id in server and client? | 16:19 |
| ihrachys | is there something in between proxying / overriding headers? | 16:20 |
| ihrachys | anyway... I will dig more | 16:20 |
| ihrachys | I probably should capture what we have alraedy there | 16:20 |
| ihrachys | next item was "slaweq to investigate / report a bug for test_dscp_marking_packets fullstack failure" | 16:21 |
| ihrachys | I don't see slaweq around | 16:21 |
| ihrachys | but I see this reported: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1733649 | 16:21 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1733649 in neutron "fullstack neutron.tests.fullstack.test_qos.TestDscpMarkingQoSOvs.test_dscp_marking_packets(openflow-native) failure" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to Slawek Kaplonski (slaweq) | 16:21 |
| ihrachys | slaweq seems to work on it | 16:22 |
| jlibosva | to the previous - maybe when you don't provide req-id it generates one? | 16:22 |
| jlibosva | and what we see on server comes from previous call | 16:22 |
| ihrachys | jlibosva, what do you mean? I believe the req-id logged in test case log is generated, yes, but then it is still sent to server | 16:23 |
| jlibosva | I see curl used: | 16:23 |
| jlibosva | http://logs.openstack.org/71/520371/7/check/legacy-neutron-dsvm-fullstack/ad585a2/logs/dsvm-fullstack-logs/TestOvsConnectivitySameNetworkOnOvsBridgeControllerStop.test_controller_timeout_does_not_break_connectivity_sigkill_GRE-and-l2pop,openflow-native_.txt.gz#_2017-11-20_21_59_53_605 | 16:23 |
| jlibosva | 3 seconds before the neutronclient call with req-d | 16:23 |
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| ihrachys | it still says "neutronclient.client" in the message | 16:24 |
| ihrachys | so probably neutronclient uses curl under the hood? | 16:24 |
| jlibosva | no, I think it uses python library | 16:24 |
| jlibosva | urllib or httplib or something | 16:25 |
| ihrachys | ok, I will have a closer look | 16:25 |
| ihrachys | I don't want to take all the time for this issue | 16:25 |
| ihrachys | so let's move on | 16:25 |
| jlibosva | sure | 16:25 |
| jlibosva | sorry | 16:25 |
| ihrachys | these were all items from previous meeting | 16:25 |
| ihrachys | #topic Grafana | 16:25 |
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| ihrachys | http://grafana.openstack.org/dashboard/db/neutron-failure-rate | 16:25 |
| ihrachys | I was actually hopeful that with agent timeout fix the failure rate for fullstack will drop, but seems like it didn't | 16:26 |
| haleyb | no rainbows and unicorns :( | 16:26 |
| ihrachys | it's at least not as flat as it was but we have long way to go | 16:27 |
| ihrachys | we'll look at latest failures later | 16:27 |
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| ihrachys | in the meantime, I will only note that nothing material changed for fullstack or scenarios. | 16:28 |
| ihrachys | periodics seem ok too | 16:28 |
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| ihrachys | so let's dive into specifics | 16:28 |
| ihrachys | #topic Fullstack | 16:28 |
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| ihrachys | for starter, we have the Kuba's fix to backport; I work on the req-id / port not active issue / slaweq looking at qos dscp failure | 16:29 |
| ihrachys | let's see if there is anything else that we don't know about in latest logs | 16:29 |
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| ihrachys | I am looking at http://logs.openstack.org/72/522872/1/check/legacy-neutron-dsvm-fullstack/50dfd44/logs/testr_results.html.gz | 16:30 |
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| ihrachys | actually, failure rebound for fullstack back to ~90% could be because of dscp qos failure that slaweq suggested in LP is new | 16:30 |
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| jlibosva | is that with the timeout bump patch in? | 16:31 |
| ihrachys | it is results from your patch so yes | 16:31 |
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| jlibosva | :( | 16:31 |
| jlibosva | the env build fails still | 16:31 |
| ihrachys | as we can see in logs, a log of failures are due to a timeout issue that is similar to what I am looking at | 16:31 |
| ihrachys | where it fails on waiting a port to become ACTIVE | 16:32 |
| jlibosva | oh, wait, no | 16:32 |
| ihrachys | it could be either port genuinely is down, or an issue like mine where server is not responsive | 16:32 |
| ihrachys | also in this run, test_controller_timeout_does_not_break_connectivity_sigkill failed but with slightly different error | 16:33 |
| ihrachys | neutron.tests.common.machine_fixtures.FakeMachineException: No ICMP reply obtained from IP address 20.0.0.10 | 16:33 |
| ihrachys | which happens AFTER ports are validated to be ACTIVE | 16:33 |
| jlibosva | shall we mark the test_connectivity tests as unstable with the bug that you're looking at? | 16:34 |
| jlibosva | and qos with slaweq's bug | 16:34 |
| ihrachys | so it must be a different issue | 16:34 |
| ihrachys | jlibosva, probably. I will post a patch. | 16:34 |
| ihrachys | #action ihrachys to disable connectivity fullstack tests while we look for culprit | 16:34 |
| ihrachys | #action ihrachys to disable dscp qos fullstack test while we look for culprit | 16:35 |
| ihrachys | there are two more failures that are not falling into the set | 16:35 |
| ihrachys | test_l2_agent_restart with AssertionError: False is not true in self.assertTrue(all([r.done() for r in restarts])) | 16:35 |
| ihrachys | and test_securitygroup(linuxbridge-iptables) with RuntimeError: Process ['ncat', u'20.0.0.11', '3333', '-w', '20'] hasn't been spawned in 20 seconds | 16:36 |
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| jlibosva | I can have a look at the netcat issue, I hope it won't be related to linuxbridge agent :) | 16:36 |
| ihrachys | #action jlibosva to look at test_securitygroup(linuxbridge-iptables) failure in fullstack | 16:37 |
| ihrachys | any candidates to look at test_l2_agent_restart ? | 16:37 |
| jlibosva | I can also pick that one if nobody wants | 16:39 |
| ihrachys | :) | 16:39 |
| ihrachys | sory jlibosva | 16:39 |
| ihrachys | we love you :) | 16:39 |
| jlibosva | I have a feeling it will be related to slow agent starts | 16:39 |
| ihrachys | #action jlibosva to look at test_l2_agent_restart fullstack failure | 16:40 |
| jlibosva | as I observed it in the env build-up issue | 16:40 |
| * jlibosva loves being loved | 16:40 | |
| ihrachys | that restart test is afair brutally restarting agents. if it's slow, could hit it in one of restart cycles | 16:40 |
| ihrachys | though having timeout bumped to 60 sec for each iteration there is maybe not the best path | 16:41 |
| ihrachys | ok seems like we have work to do for fullstack | 16:41 |
| ihrachys | #topic Scenarios | 16:41 |
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| ihrachys | we have old bugs | 16:42 |
| ihrachys | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1717302 | 16:42 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1717302 in neutron "Tempest floatingip scenario tests failing on DVR Multinode setup with HA" [High,Confirmed] | 16:42 |
| ihrachys | and https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1719711 | 16:42 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1719711 in neutron "iptables failed to apply when binding a port with AGENT.debug_iptables_rules enabled" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Dr. Jens Harbott (j-harbott) | 16:42 |
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| ihrachys | for the latter, there seems to be a fix! | 16:42 |
| ihrachys | here https://review.openstack.org/#/c/523319/ | 16:42 |
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| ihrachys | everyone please review after the meeting :) | 16:43 |
| ihrachys | as for dvr fip issue, mlavalle haleyb no news I believe? | 16:43 |
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| haleyb | ihrachys: i will need to look, nothing from swami yet | 16:43 |
| mlavalle | ihrachys: we haven't heard from swami | 16:43 |
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| mlavalle | let's make sure we talk to him this week | 16:44 |
| mlavalle | I think we will have to reassign that issue | 16:44 |
| ihrachys | yeah... maybe he is swamped and we need someone else to have a look instead | 16:44 |
| mlavalle | I'll talk to him | 16:44 |
| ihrachys | right, it's not moving forward. thanks! | 16:44 |
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| ihrachys | #topic Tempest plugin | 16:45 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Tempest plugin (Meeting topic: neutron_ci)" | 16:45 | |
| ihrachys | so the etherpad is https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-tempest-plugin-job-move | 16:45 |
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| ihrachys | and we have some items there still in progress | 16:45 |
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| ihrachys | actually quite a lot :) | 16:45 |
| ihrachys | one thing that blocks us is that we still have legacy jobs in master | 16:45 |
| ihrachys | so we can't e.g. remove tempest test classes from neutron tree | 16:45 |
| ihrachys | I believe mlavalle was looking at it | 16:46 |
| ihrachys | mlavalle, any news? | 16:46 |
| mlavalle | well, I am looking at it for stable branches | 16:46 |
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| mlavalle | I pushed this https://review.openstack.org/#/c/522931 over the weekend | 16:46 |
| jlibosva | are we going to migrate stable branches too? | 16:46 |
| jlibosva | I thought no | 16:46 |
| jlibosva | not* | 16:46 |
| ihrachys | mlavalle, so your order would be move jobs to stable, then remove from infra? | 16:46 |
| jlibosva | ah, sorry. it's about legacy jobs. ignore me :) | 16:47 |
| ihrachys | jlibosva, projects move their jobs including to stable. I saw others doing it, there is infra request. | 16:47 |
| mlavalle | yes | 16:47 |
| ihrachys | jlibosva, after we move to stable, they are able to clean them up | 16:47 |
| ihrachys | in their repos | 16:47 |
| mlavalle | I can also move master | 16:47 |
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| mlavalle | it's only that I thought someone else was doing ti | 16:47 |
| jlibosva | I apologize, I thought you meant adopting stable branches for neutron plugin :) | 16:47 |
| ihrachys | mlavalle, I was thinking, we could also have a small patch that makes the legacy jobs executed on stable only while we move jobs? | 16:47 |
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| ihrachys | mlavalle, that would be a simple fix and unblock cleanup in neutron tree | 16:48 |
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| ihrachys | mlavalle, master doesn't need move, it needs removal since we already have new jobs there | 16:48 |
| mlavalle | yeah, that's what I thought | 16:48 |
| ihrachys | mlavalle, I would imagine we could make it with a regex against stable.* for branch for legacy? | 16:48 |
| mlavalle | yeah that sounds right | 16:49 |
| ihrachys | mlavalle, do you want to cover the regex yourself or I should do it? | 16:50 |
| mlavalle | please take care of that | 16:50 |
| ihrachys | ok | 16:51 |
| ihrachys | #action ihrachys to disable legacy jobs for neutron master | 16:51 |
| mlavalle | I will continue with the patch for Pike ^^^^ | 16:51 |
| mlavalle | and also another one for Ocata | 16:51 |
| ihrachys | great | 16:51 |
| ihrachys | for ocata you may just backport once done with pike | 16:51 |
| ihrachys | it should work | 16:51 |
| mlavalle | yeap, that's my plan | 16:52 |
| ihrachys | oh so I look at the patch for pike, and I see you move all tempest jobs not just those for tempest plugin? | 16:52 |
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| mlavalle | I moved all legacy | 16:52 |
| ihrachys | I was under impression you were covering plugin jobs only | 16:52 |
| ihrachys | if not, I don't think anyone is looking at master patch to do the same | 16:52 |
| mlavalle | ok, I can do a similar thing for master | 16:53 |
| ihrachys | and for those, it could make sense to start in master | 16:53 |
| ihrachys | yeah | 16:53 |
| ihrachys | thanks! | 16:53 |
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| ihrachys | I also had a small fix to skip new jobs for doc/* changes: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/523244/ | 16:54 |
| ihrachys | spotted them executed in a doc-only change in neutron repo | 16:54 |
| mlavalle | pushed it in | 16:55 |
| * ihrachys bows | 16:55 | |
| ihrachys | and once legacy jobs are gone in master, we can push https://review.openstack.org/#/c/506672/ | 16:55 |
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| mlavalle | yeah | 16:56 |
| ihrachys | ok I think that mostly covers next steps for plugin repo | 16:56 |
| ihrachys | #topic Open discussion | 16:56 |
| mlavalle | ++ | 16:56 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open discussion (Meeting topic: neutron_ci)" | 16:56 | |
| ihrachys | anything to bring up? | 16:56 |
| ihrachys | seems like no! well then you have 3 mins back! | 16:57 |
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| ihrachys | enjoy! | 16:57 |
| ihrachys | #endmeeting | 16:57 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 16:57 | |
| mlavalle | thanks! | 16:57 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Nov 28 16:57:33 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:57 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_ci/2017/neutron_ci.2017-11-28-16.01.html | 16:57 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_ci/2017/neutron_ci.2017-11-28-16.01.txt | 16:57 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_ci/2017/neutron_ci.2017-11-28-16.01.log.html | 16:57 |
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| lbragstad | #startmeeting keystone | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Nov 28 18:00:09 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is lbragstad. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 18:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'keystone' | 18:00 |
| cmurphy | o/ | 18:00 |
| lbragstad | o/ | 18:00 |
| lamt | o/ | 18:00 |
| raildo | \o/ | 18:00 |
| hrybacki | o/ | 18:00 |
| lbragstad | ping ayoung, breton, cmurphy, dstanek, edmondsw, gagehugo, henrynash, hrybacki, knikolla, lamt, lbragstad, lwanderley, kmalloc, rderose, rodrigods, samueldmq, spilla, aselius, dpar | 18:00 |
| gagehugo | o/ | 18:00 |
| KwozyMan | o/ | 18:00 |
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| knikolla | o/ | 18:00 |
| lbragstad | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/keystone-weekly-meeting | 18:00 |
| lbragstad | agenda ^ | 18:00 |
| rodrigods | o/ | 18:01 |
| lbragstad | #topic announcements | 18:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "announcements (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 18:01 | |
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| lbragstad | #info gerrit cleanup happened last week and this week | 18:02 |
| lbragstad | if you noticed things get abandon, that's why | 18:02 |
| lbragstad | hopefully the review queue is a bit cleaner | 18:02 |
| lbragstad | we can always restore things if we decide to pursue them again | 18:02 |
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| lbragstad | #info reminder that queens-2 is next week | 18:02 |
| lbragstad | which also means that our specification freeze deadline is next week as well | 18:03 |
| lbragstad | #link https://releases.openstack.org/queens/schedule.html | 18:03 |
| lbragstad | which leads us into our next topic | 18:04 |
| lbragstad | #topic Specifications | 18:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Specifications (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 18:04 | |
| lbragstad | I figured we could use the meeting time to cruise through some specifications together | 18:04 |
| lbragstad | kind of like an expedited group review | 18:04 |
| hrybacki | +1 | 18:05 |
| knikolla | good idea | 18:05 |
| lbragstad | first up | 18:05 |
| lbragstad | #topic Specifications: Unified Limits | 18:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Specifications: Unified Limits (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 18:05 | |
| lbragstad | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/455709/ Limits API | 18:05 |
| lbragstad | fresh patch up from this morning | 18:05 |
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| lbragstad | wxy_: is going to be picking up all that work and has coordinated some of that with sdague | 18:06 |
| lbragstad | kmalloc: about your comment on the delete semantics of a limit | 18:08 |
| lbragstad | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/455709/9/specs/keystone/queens/limits-api.rst,unified | 18:08 |
| lbragstad | is that reason enough to have ID for limits? | 18:08 |
| lbragstad | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/455709/9/specs/keystone/queens/limits-api.rst,unified@257 specifically | 18:08 |
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| kmalloc | *shrug* | 18:09 |
| kmalloc | i prefer no ids. | 18:09 |
| kmalloc | and just use a path | 18:09 |
| kmalloc | the IDs seem.... weird wedge in there | 18:09 |
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| kmalloc | but i'd support ids if it makes it that much easier | 18:10 |
| lbragstad | ahh | 18:10 |
| edmondsw | why is region in there? Shouldn't that come from your token? | 18:10 |
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| kmalloc | edmondsw: if you have different limits per region. | 18:10 |
| edmondsw | oh, nm... region isn't in token | 18:10 |
| lbragstad | so instead of using a DELETE with a request body, just put everything on the path | 18:10 |
| kmalloc | yeah | 18:10 |
| cmurphy | we have ids on pretty much anything, the links thing relies on it | 18:10 |
| knikolla | ++ on path | 18:11 |
| kmalloc | lbragstad: yeah that is how i'd handle it here. id's feel like a wedge. but again, i'd support either | 18:11 |
| lbragstad | id' support everything on the path *or* an ID instead of having a DELETE with a request body | 18:11 |
| lbragstad | i wouldn't want someone to be able to use this because what they are using to front keystone trims the body from a delete request | 18:12 |
| kmalloc | DELETE with a request body is the only option that worries me | 18:12 |
| edmondsw | why are we forcing folks to set region-specific quotas? What if I want a project-specific but not region-specific quota? | 18:12 |
| lbragstad | per RFC 7231 in your comment | 18:12 |
| kmalloc | edmondsw: we should support region-specifc but not require it | 18:12 |
| kmalloc | edmondsw: or at least region-specific overrides. | 18:13 |
| lbragstad | also - that's the registered limit | 18:13 |
| lbragstad | which is different than a project limit | 18:13 |
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| lbragstad | which would limit that projects usage in a specific region if i'm understanding thing correctly | 18:13 |
| lbragstad | s/thing/things/ | 18:14 |
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| edmondsw | I meant default project limits | 18:19 |
| edmondsw | i.e. registered limits at the project level instead of the region level | 18:19 |
| edmondsw | or better said... registered limits that aren't region-specific | 18:20 |
| lbragstad | services require a region, right? | 18:21 |
| kmalloc | lbragstad: uhm... | 18:21 |
| kmalloc | maybe? | 18:21 |
| kmalloc | i think endpoints do | 18:21 |
| kmalloc | services afair do not | 18:21 |
| lbragstad | aha | 18:21 |
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| kmalloc | since the same service def should be used *everywhere* | 18:22 |
| kmalloc | but... lets be fair, i could be wrong. the catalog is.... wonky sometimes | 18:22 |
| lbragstad | well - regions are apparently optional for endpoints, too | 18:23 |
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| lbragstad | #link https://github.com/openstack/keystone/blob/19451a8e350ecf6c09159438c14f6c7d16190bb8/keystone/catalog/schema.py#L93 | 18:23 |
| cmurphy | isn't there always a default region? | 18:23 |
| lbragstad | cmurphy: yeah - that's exactly why i thought it was required | 18:24 |
| lbragstad | because i thought that same question | 18:24 |
| knikolla | no, the default is no region | 18:24 |
| lbragstad | ok - so should reqion be optional for limits? | 18:24 |
| cmurphy | no, i mean if no region is specified there is a default that will be the region for that endpoint | 18:25 |
| cmurphy | the default comes from keystone.conf or something | 18:25 |
| * cmurphy searches | 18:25 | |
| lbragstad | #link https://github.com/openstack/keystone/blob/19451a8e350ecf6c09159438c14f6c7d16190bb8/keystone/catalog/core.py#L180 | 18:25 |
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| knikolla | interesting, i clearly remember creating endpoints and having them be part of no region :/ | 18:26 |
| knikolla | and having to specify region explicitly | 18:26 |
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| lbragstad | #link https://github.com/openstack/keystone/blob/19451a8e350ecf6c09159438c14f6c7d16190bb8/keystone/catalog/controllers.py#L192 | 18:27 |
| lbragstad | there is some validation for regions, but i don't see one getting set for endpoints if the request doesn't have it | 18:27 |
| edmondsw | https://github.com/openstack/keystone/blob/19451a8e350ecf6c09159438c14f6c7d16190bb8/keystone/catalog/core.py#L165 | 18:27 |
| edmondsw | ^ would allow for None as region_id | 18:27 |
| cmurphy | i might be wrong, it might be just that every deployment tool i've ever used has created one | 18:27 |
| lbragstad | yeah - that could be it, too | 18:28 |
| cmurphy | i'm not seeing anything in conf/ for it | 18:28 |
| lbragstad | to me, i'm not sure it makes sense to require region then if it's possible to have a deployment without a region | 18:28 |
| knikolla | http://paste.openstack.org/show/627621/ | 18:28 |
| cmurphy | okay, i was wrong :) | 18:29 |
| lbragstad | i think we'll need to figure that bit out moving forward with that specific spec | 18:30 |
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| lbragstad | is everyone ok continuing the unified limit stuff in review until next week? | 18:31 |
| knikolla | +1 | 18:31 |
| cmurphy | yep | 18:31 |
| lbragstad | #topic Specification: Application Credentials | 18:31 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Specification: Application Credentials (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 18:31 | |
| lbragstad | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/512505/ Application credentials | 18:31 |
| lbragstad | this one has shaped up pretty good in the last week or two | 18:32 |
| cmurphy | ohai | 18:32 |
| lbragstad | cmurphy: you and kmalloc were going through some cases about this last night | 18:32 |
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| cmurphy | please do read the whole thing and not just the changes, we merged a lot of inconsistencies the last time around because no one read it all the way through | 18:32 |
| lbragstad | sounded like we just needed to elaborate on the interactions with trusts? | 18:32 |
| cmurphy | oh i forgot to add the bit about blocking trust creation | 18:33 |
| cmurphy | other than that it's good to go | 18:33 |
| lbragstad | are role assignment APIs blocked, too? | 18:33 |
| cmurphy | would be good to get eyes from some of the other stakeholders though | 18:33 |
| cmurphy | lbragstad: not in this version, i took out the bits about blocking the whole identity api because my thoughts are that non-admin users can't accidentally delegate those rights anyways | 18:34 |
| cmurphy | lbragstad: do you think identity apis should be explicitly blocked? | 18:34 |
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| cmurphy | anyone else feel strongly about that? ^ | 18:35 |
| lbragstad | that's a good question - i think we'll need to block some of them (like trusts) but maybe not all | 18:35 |
| lbragstad | i suppose role assignment things are admin operations currently | 18:36 |
| cmurphy | i think the main concern is preventing self-cloning credentials but i'm otherwise not sure there's a good reason to block anything else | 18:36 |
| cmurphy | right | 18:36 |
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| lbragstad | i'll read through the whole thing after this meeting | 18:37 |
| cmurphy | cool | 18:37 |
| lbragstad | anyone else have anything to discuss with application credentials that needs to be done here? | 18:37 |
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| lbragstad | #topic Specification: Policy Goals | 18:38 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Specification: Policy Goals (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 18:38 | |
| lbragstad | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/460344/ Policy goals | 18:38 |
| lbragstad | these have been floating around for a while and i'm curious if they're still useful enough to merge | 18:38 |
| lbragstad | if not, that's totally fine | 18:38 |
| cmurphy | i think they are | 18:39 |
| * cmurphy will look | 18:39 | |
| lbragstad | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/462733/ Roadmap for security | 18:39 |
| lbragstad | falls into the same category | 18:39 |
| lbragstad | they are pretty general documents that just lay the introduction for what we need to do to improve u-x in those areas | 18:39 |
| lbragstad | they do have some overlap with what is in trello | 18:39 |
| lbragstad | but - i figured that is ok since trello is tracking status of all the moving parts | 18:40 |
| lbragstad | let me know if you have opinions on what we should do with those | 18:41 |
| hrybacki | have to drop, sorry y'all | 18:41 |
| lbragstad | hrybacki: o/ | 18:41 |
| lbragstad | #topic Specification: System Scope | 18:42 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Specification: System Scope (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 18:42 | |
| lbragstad | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/464763/ System roles and system scoping | 18:42 |
| lbragstad | so - that merged ^ | 18:42 |
| lbragstad | thanks for all the reviews there | 18:42 |
| lbragstad | I do have patches up for the implementation if anyone wants to start reviewing those | 18:43 |
| lbragstad | i'll get the rest rebased and reproposed by Dec. 8th | 18:43 |
| lbragstad | then i'll go through and formally abandon the global roles stuff | 18:43 |
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| lbragstad | since that will no longer be relevant | 18:43 |
| lbragstad | #topic Specification: Project Tags update | 18:44 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Specification: Project Tags update (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 18:44 | |
| lbragstad | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/508339/ Project tags update | 18:44 |
| lbragstad | i must have put this on the schedule before it merged | 18:44 |
| lbragstad | so - that happened :0 | 18:44 |
| lbragstad | #topic Open Discussion | 18:44 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 18:44 | |
| gagehugo | \o/ | 18:44 |
| lbragstad | floor is open if folks have things they want to talk about | 18:44 |
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| lbragstad | cool - looks like we can get some time back before office hours | 18:46 |
| lbragstad | thanks for working through the specs | 18:46 |
| lbragstad | we should be in good shape by next week! | 18:46 |
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| cmurphy | \o/ | 18:47 |
| lbragstad | #endmeeting | 18:47 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 18:47 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Nov 28 18:47:19 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:47 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2017/keystone.2017-11-28-18.00.html | 18:47 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2017/keystone.2017-11-28-18.00.txt | 18:47 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2017/keystone.2017-11-28-18.00.log.html | 18:47 |
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| clarkb | #startmeeting infra | 19:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Nov 28 19:00:32 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is clarkb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'infra' | 19:00 |
| clarkb | hello, who is here for the infra meeting? | 19:00 |
| frickler | o/ | 19:00 |
| tobiash | o/ | 19:00 |
| ianw | o/ | 19:01 |
| clarkb | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/InfraTeamMeeting#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 19:01 |
| clarkb | There are a couple items on the agenda. Jeblair will be joining us late so I think we will do zuulv3 after the general topics list | 19:02 |
| clarkb | #topic Announcements | 19:02 |
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| clarkb | its been a quiet week with the US thanksgiving holiday, I'm not aware of anything that needs announcing | 19:03 |
| clarkb | is there something I've missed? | 19:03 |
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| fungi | i guess the venue for the ptg hasn't been officially announced yet | 19:03 |
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| fungi | so maybe flag that to announce in next week's meeting if it has been by then | 19:03 |
| * clarkb scribbles a note | 19:04 | |
| diablo_rojo_phon | It should be announced by this afternoon. | 19:04 |
| clarkb | in that case look to read the openstack-dev mailing list later today for an announcement on the ptg location :) | 19:04 |
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| AJaeger | o/ | 19:04 |
| pabelanger | o/ | 19:04 |
| clarkb | #topic Actions from last meeting | 19:04 |
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| clarkb | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2017/infra.2017-11-21-19.01.txt Minutes from last meeting | 19:05 |
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| clarkb | Fungi's action to write the secrets backups doc is complete \o/ | 19:05 |
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| fungi | oh, that was complete last week | 19:05 |
| fungi | i think i linked it during the meeting then | 19:05 |
| clarkb | ya it ended up in the actions list but now is done so we can keep it out | 19:06 |
| fungi | maybe it hadn't merged yet at that point | 19:06 |
| clarkb | I'm not aware of any specs that need review or otherwise need to be brought up and will skip zuulv3 for now so that jeblair can join us which means straight ot general topics | 19:06 |
| clarkb | #topic General topics | 19:07 |
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| clarkb | #topic Zanata 4 upgrade | 19:07 |
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| clarkb | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/506795/ initial change needed for zanata upgrade work | 19:07 |
| clarkb | we are seeing some of the initial changes come in that will allow us to upgrade from zanata 3 to zanata 4. I think the i18n team would like to see this get done before the string freeze which is late january. | 19:07 |
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| clarkb | it would be great if we can help make that possible (code reviews, actually merging code/running upgrades) | 19:08 |
| jeblair | o/ | 19:08 |
| clarkb | I did the last one so am fairly familiar with the service, is anyone else interested in learning about the java/wildfly/zanata things? If so let me know and we can work to help get this going with the i18n team | 19:08 |
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| ianw | i have a passing familiarity from the last upgrade, and i think we're in similar tz's, so put me down to help | 19:09 |
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| clarkb | ianw: awesome thanks | 19:09 |
| clarkb | I expect it will be mostly straightfroward after talking to aeng, no need for a java update or distro upgrade | 19:09 |
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| fungi | unlike, say, the next gerrit upgrade | 19:10 |
| ianw | i'll start by reviewing ^^ :) | 19:10 |
| pabelanger | fungi: +1 | 19:10 |
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| clarkb | #topic Priority Efforts | 19:11 |
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| clarkb | jeblair: is here, on to zuul | 19:11 |
| clarkb | #topic Zuul v3 | 19:11 |
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| clarkb | I wanted to do a quick recap of the zuul cloner venv removal because there were some hiccups with it and want to amke sure we don't forget to do the last cleanups | 19:12 |
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| clarkb | pabelanger: ^ I think the fixes for the pyyaml install have gone in job side, have we remvoed it from the image again? | 19:12 |
| pabelanger | clarkb: we have! | 19:12 |
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| pabelanger | I think we are ready to actually move to https://review.openstack.org/513506/ now, which removes zuul-cloner from base jobs | 19:13 |
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| clarkb | #link https://review.openstack.org/513506/ remove z-c shim from base job is ready for review now | 19:13 |
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| pabelanger | for 513506, we'll need to be ready to fix jobs that are broken by it, and re-parent them to legacy-base | 19:14 |
| clarkb | fungi: I think we basically agreed to remove jenkins from the ci group in gerrit last week as well. Did that happen yet? | 19:14 |
| pabelanger | as we expect native zuulv3 jobs 1) not to use zuul-cloner, 2) parent to base | 19:14 |
| fungi | it has not, but i can do it now | 19:14 |
| pabelanger | fungi: +1 | 19:15 |
| fungi | 10 seconds ;) | 19:15 |
| clarkb | works for me and is an easy revert if we need to | 19:15 |
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| fungi | okay, that was more than 10 seconds, but done now | 19:16 |
| clarkb | frickler: tristanC have a third party CI of zuul-jobs agenda item | 19:16 |
| fungi | i had to remember the group name because i forgot i'd linked it from the agenda | 19:16 |
| clarkb | I don't think tristanC is here, but frickler is. Want to fill us in? | 19:16 |
| frickler | I'm not directly related to the CI | 19:16 |
| jeblair | somehow i missed that email | 19:16 |
| fungi | #info The retired "Jenkins" account has been removed from the Continuous Integration Tools group in Gerrit now | 19:16 |
| jeblair | but i've read it now. and i support the concept in general | 19:16 |
| frickler | but I wanted to make sure that tristan gets more feedback on his mail | 19:17 |
| jeblair | though i was about to send back a reply suggesting that we just use 'recheck' for the recheck command | 19:17 |
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| fungi | #action fungi send an announcement about the removal of Jenkins from Continuous Integration Tools | 19:17 |
| fungi | i'll do that after the meeting | 19:17 |
| clarkb | fungi: thanks | 19:17 |
| clarkb | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-infra/2017-November/005688.html for details on third party CI for zuul-jobs | 19:17 |
| jeblair | i've long advocated that third-party cis should not have their own recheck command language | 19:18 |
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| jeblair | i don't think it should be a problem for this repo | 19:18 |
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| clarkb | agreed. I think the other considering to make is whether or not we want it to +1, +/-1, -1 or just +0 with logs | 19:19 |
| clarkb | *other consideration | 19:19 |
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| jeblair | i'm happy to try out voting if other folks are | 19:20 |
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| clarkb | I think voting helps get more eyeballs on the problem and not allowing voting makes it easier to ignore the failures. So I am happy to try voting as well | 19:20 |
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| tobiash | ++voting | 19:21 |
| dmsimard | hi | 19:21 |
| dmsimard | sorry, forgot to fix calendar event timezone.. | 19:21 |
| fungi | i have no objection to voting third-party ci systems as long as their feedback is reliable | 19:21 |
| pabelanger | yah, I think we can give voting a try | 19:21 |
| dmsimard | I don't have backlog to get context, but yes, we (RDO/Software Factory) would like to be third party CI against zuul-jobs. I don't know what shape this will take yet. | 19:22 |
| tobiash | the same applies for me | 19:22 |
| jeblair | dmsimard: current context is software-factory third-party ci: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-infra/2017-November/005688.html | 19:23 |
| clarkb | dmsimard: basically jeblair has asked that we not have any special recheck syntax, just support 'recheck' like upstream zuul. And we seem to be comfortable to try it out in a voting manner (so we'll need to update gerrit ACLs) | 19:23 |
| jeblair | which i somehow missed over thankgiving | 19:23 |
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| dmsimard | Ultimately, one of the objectives is to leverage TripleO(-ci) jobs, roles, and playbooks from within review.rdoproject.org which is anologous to review.openstack.org, so it will be very important for us to be able to re-use zuul-jobs (and potentially other things, but that's another topic) outside of OpenStack | 19:23 |
| dmsimard | I'd start with non-voting first to get some confidence that we're doing the right thing | 19:24 |
| jeblair | wfm | 19:24 |
| jeblair | that's the usual approach i believe | 19:25 |
| fungi | just to pile on, i agree wrt standardizing on "recheck" across ci systems. rechecking individual ci systems is moderately dangerous for the same reasons we've resisted requests to recheck individual jobs | 19:25 |
| clarkb | dmsimard: thats fine, just wnted to bring up possible voting early as a lot of projects don't allow it at all and wasn't sure were we stood on that | 19:25 |
| clarkb | so as to avoid surprises later if there were major disagreements :) | 19:25 |
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| dmsimard | clarkb: well, it's not clear to me yet what these third party jobs will look like yet | 19:25 |
| dmsimard | clarkb: i.e, will it be running base-integration/multinode-integration but just from another zuul for example ? | 19:26 |
| fungi | also, to be clear on the third-party ci situation, we've also said in the past that we'll disable accounts for any ci systems which start reporting on infra team repo changes without prior discussion | 19:26 |
| dmsimard | I feel like there's stuff we'll realize once we get started | 19:26 |
| tobiash | dmsimard: it could be running your most important jobs | 19:26 |
| mmedvede | I would object to not allowing third-party CIs have their own recheck syntax, sometimes we want to only nudge our third-party CI when there is an obvious problem with it without wasting upstream CI's resources | 19:27 |
| jeblair | my thought is not to be too prescriptive about what they're doing. we should have ongoing conversations with third-party ci operators to make sure we're making the most of things, but in general, third-party operators are probably best placed to decide what's important to them and what unique things they can bring to the table. | 19:27 |
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| fungi | mmedvede: "zuul enqueue" via the rpc in that case | 19:27 |
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| dmsimard | tobiash: it depends, what's the purpose or the use case ? I don't think running a tripleo-based job against zuul-jobs is necessarily worthwhile -- we're interested in testing the roles individually | 19:28 |
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| mmedvede | fungi: I thought we are not encouraged to comment on the same patch twice without an explicit recheck | 19:28 |
| clarkb | dmsimard: but ya sounds like you can go ahead and start trying things out in a non voting capacity, may even want to start in a non reporting manner first. See how that goes then tweak from there | 19:28 |
| fungi | mmedvede: that might be a policy some team has put into place, but it's not our policy afaik | 19:28 |
| jeblair | mmedvede: there is nothing about that in https://docs.openstack.org/infra/system-config/third_party.html#requirements | 19:28 |
| tobiash | dmsimard: yes, that probably depends on what's important to you as zuul-jobs user | 19:28 |
| dmsimard | mmedvede, fungi, jeblair: unless mistaken, the recheck keyword is controlled by the third party CI so there's nothing preventing operators from responding to "recheck" and "check myzuulname" | 19:29 |
| jeblair | mmedvede: there is a note in there saying that "recheck" should retrigger all systems. | 19:29 |
| fungi | mmedvede: we're specifically talking about third-party ci systems which want to vote on changes to the openstack-infra/zuul-jobs repo (and potentially other deliverables of the infra team in the future) | 19:29 |
| jeblair | dmsimard: nothing except their willingness to abide by the guidelines we've established | 19:29 |
| pabelanger | wait, I thought we said recheck foo was good a while back. I feel like we go back and forth on this every few months | 19:29 |
| jeblair | fungi: indeed, let's not get too far derailed on this :) | 19:29 |
| dmsimard | jeblair: the important part is that they answer to "recheck", right ? if they answer to "check foo" is that an issue ? | 19:29 |
| jeblair | pabelanger: i have never said that. | 19:29 |
| pabelanger | jeblair: other infro-root have, IIRC | 19:30 |
| jeblair | dmsimard: we don't have an established policy on that. i would like to, in the context of zuul-jobs only, establish a policy that we don't do that and all systems honor recheck. | 19:30 |
| jeblair | only. | 19:30 |
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| dmsimard | jeblair: that's fine, on our end that means setting up a separate pipeline (because we already have a pipeline meant for third party) but that's not expensive | 19:31 |
| jeblair | dmsimard: (or, if it happens to honor something else, just don't mention it) | 19:31 |
| dmsimard | sure | 19:31 |
| fungi | dmsimard: "our" in this context being rdo ci? | 19:32 |
| dmsimard | fungi: yeah, RDO's zuul answers to things like "check rdo experimental" (so we don't trigger "check experimental") | 19:32 |
| dmsimard | and possibly other things | 19:32 |
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| mmedvede | jeblair dmsimard : agree recheck should absolutely retrigger all the CI systems. But this does not exclude ability for third-party CIs to also be triggered separately. I would like there to be an official blessed syntax for this. Right now each CI comes up with their own | 19:33 |
| fungi | i'm curious why someone would want upstream experimental pipeline results but not rdo's experimental pipeline results. still, that's not crucial to this topic | 19:33 |
| clarkb | ya, I think we may be starting to get into another topic entirely | 19:33 |
| clarkb | we can come back to that if there are no other zuulv3 items or finish them | 19:33 |
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| clarkb | I think we may want to talk about the merging of branches though that wasn't on the agenda. Any other zuulv3 items? | 19:34 |
| dmsimard | I have something | 19:34 |
| fungi | mmedvede: part of the resistance, historically, is that we feel leaving comments in the code review system is a bad api anyway, and would like to eventually have some other interface fro such tasks | 19:34 |
| fungi | and not tie ourselves to a standard involving arbitrary code review comment strings | 19:35 |
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| clarkb | dmsimard: what was your zuulv3 item? | 19:35 |
| dmsimard | I'd love at least a first round of reviews on the 'sqlite over http' ara middleware series to 1) always have ara reports regardless of failure/success 2) reduce even further the impact of storage/inode on the log server | 19:36 |
| dmsimard | The reviews are tagged here: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:ara-sqlite-middleware | 19:36 |
| dmsimard | And you can see a practical implementation here -- | 19:36 |
| clarkb | dmsimard: does that also depend on getting the ara install updated independent of the zuul install on the zuul executors? | 19:37 |
| dmsimard | Without the middleware: https://logs.rdoproject.org/33/10433/1/check/rdo-registry-integration/Ze74352b77e17444cace463fc9c994213/ara-database/ | 19:37 |
| dmsimard | With the middleware: http://logs-dev.rdoproject.org/33/10433/1/check/rdo-registry-integration/Ze74352b77e17444cace463fc9c994213/ara-database/ | 19:37 |
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| pabelanger | SSL cert is bad ^ | 19:37 |
| dmsimard | pabelanger: yeah, logs-dev :( | 19:37 |
| jeblair | (i replied to the ml thread with a summary of our discussion on the third-party ci issue) | 19:37 |
| dmsimard | pabelanger: I spun it up without getting proper certs (yet) | 19:37 |
| dmsimard | clarkb: it doesn't depend on the version of ara on the executors, no | 19:38 |
| clarkb | dmsimard: cool, so we can work this independently. I'll make a note to review it | 19:38 |
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| dmsimard | clarkb: it doesn't even depend on the version of ara on the logserver (where it would sit like htmlify/os-log_analyzer), it's just a wsgi script that happens to be bundled in ara at the latest version but otherwise can be carried in tree | 19:39 |
| pabelanger | Didn't we have a set of patchs to install it onto our own dev server? | 19:39 |
| pabelanger | logs-dev.o.o for example | 19:39 |
| dmsimard | that's the topic I linked earlier, yes: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:ara-sqlite-middleware | 19:39 |
| pabelanger | okay cool | 19:39 |
| clarkb | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:ara-sqlite-middleware changes to run ara out of sqlite db using middleware. Will cut down on inode use on the logs server hopefully allowing us to add ara to successful jobs again | 19:39 |
| pabelanger | will look over here today | 19:40 |
| dmsimard | I have a todo to resolve a conflict between htmlify and ara rewrite rules but it's otherwise at least ready for reviewing | 19:40 |
| dmsimard | I -W one of the patches but it's still worth reviewing :)( | 19:40 |
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| dmsimard | I'll probably go ahead and rebase the stack since it's been a while | 19:41 |
| dmsimard | that was it for my topic :) | 19:41 |
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| clarkb | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-infra/2017-November/005695.html ml thread on merging feature branches back into master on nodepool and zuul repos and shifting dev work to those branches | 19:41 |
| clarkb | If you haven't seen it yet and are interested in zuul ^ is probably worth a read | 19:41 |
| clarkb | jeblair: anything you want to add to ^ here? | 19:42 |
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| jeblair | ya | 19:42 |
| jeblair | i'd love for someone from the third-party-ci community to jump in on the puppet-openstackci work | 19:43 |
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| jeblair | that is something that should be straightforward to accomplish and doesn't require any zuulv3 knowledge -- the opposite in fact -- it's work to keep zuulv2 working with puppet-openstackci | 19:43 |
| dmsimard | there's an irc channel where they hang out, worth a try to get their attention | 19:43 |
| jeblair | true, though there's a problem if they aren't paying attention here. | 19:43 |
| clarkb | mmedvede may also know individuals that might be interested? | 19:43 |
| dmsimard | they might not be subscribed to the MLs | 19:44 |
| AJaeger | we also have project-config-example repo - what should we do with that one? It uses Zuul v2/Jenkins right now | 19:44 |
| jeblair | again, if they aren't subscribed to openstack-infra it's a problem. i will send an announcement to third-party-announce to draw attention to my post, however. | 19:45 |
| mmedvede | clarkb: it has been relatively quiet, lennyb fyi ^^ | 19:45 |
| clarkb | jeblair: thanks | 19:45 |
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| fungi | AJaeger: good question... i wonder whether it needs branching or can have v2 and v3 content side-by-side | 19:47 |
| clarkb | ok any other zuulv3 items before we move on to open discussion? | 19:47 |
| fungi | that's in my opinion part of eth puppet-openstackci work to determine | 19:48 |
| AJaeger | fungi: and somebody would need to update it. Question is whether anybody is using it at all... | 19:48 |
| jeblair | AJaeger, fungi: can likely support side-by-side as we did during our transition. | 19:48 |
| fungi | convenient | 19:48 |
| jeblair | though should probably just switch to v3 soon. | 19:48 |
| mmedvede | clarkb: I'll take a look at puppet-openstackci for zuulv3 branch merge workarounds | 19:48 |
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| clarkb | mmedvede: thanks | 19:49 |
| clarkb | jeblair: ^ sounds like you may have a volunteer? | 19:49 |
| jeblair | \o/ | 19:49 |
| fungi | mmedvede: feel free to delegate/distribute the load to any other interested 3rd-party ci ops who show interest too | 19:49 |
| fungi | though hopefully the work involved is relatively minimal | 19:49 |
| mmedvede | this is my hope :) | 19:50 |
| jeblair | ++ | 19:50 |
| fungi | but getting some of them to help test it out may make sense | 19:50 |
| clarkb | ya I think having third party ci involved just for ^ is worthwhile | 19:50 |
| clarkb | even if they aren't able to actively review the changes or write them | 19:50 |
| pabelanger | most of the work is going to be moving our zuulv3 stuff from system-config back into puppet-openstackci | 19:50 |
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| mordred | pabelanger: ++ | 19:51 |
| clarkb | #topic open discussion | 19:53 |
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| clarkb | As a general heads up with the firefighting largely behind us I'd like to start organizing the infra TODO list. Basicalyl something that shows new and old infra folk what work is happening and where they can help out if they have spare cycles | 19:54 |
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| clarkb | You'll probably see me ask for eyeballs on a storyboard board in the near future | 19:54 |
| * mordred is back to not being able to login to storyboard, fwiw | 19:54 | |
| clarkb | fun | 19:54 |
| pabelanger | I still need to send out ML post about xenial upgrades, I'll try to get that out later today | 19:54 |
| AJaeger | the Zuul v3 migration issue etherpad has still some items, could we all review it over the next days, please? | 19:55 |
| clarkb | AJaeger: ++ | 19:55 |
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| mordred | ++ | 19:56 |
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| dmsimard | on an openfloor note, unbound reviews are up to try and see if this helps with our ongoing DNS resolution failures: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:unbound-ttl | 19:58 |
| dmsimard | should be good to go in, they're set to not change anything and effectively be no-op so that we can try it selectively in some jobs. | 19:58 |
| clarkb | dmsimard: is that something we might want to try in a limited fashion on the jobs affected by the problem? | 19:58 |
| dmsimard | clarkb: that's exactly the purpose, yes, we're actually not changing the defaults from unbound, but jobs can specify vars for cache-min-ttl and it'll be configured accordingly | 19:59 |
| clarkb | gotcah sounds good | 19:59 |
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| clarkb | alright that is all the time we have, find us in #openstack-infra or on the infra mailing list. Thanks everyone | 20:00 |
| clarkb | #endmeeting | 20:00 |
| pabelanger | clarkb: dmsimard: I would also be worth discussion the possible impact to troubleshooting with jobs running different DNS settings. until now, we've tried to keep everything the same across all jobs | 20:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Nov 28 20:00:12 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2017/infra.2017-11-28-19.00.html | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2017/infra.2017-11-28-19.00.txt | 20:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2017/infra.2017-11-28-19.00.log.html | 20:00 |
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| dmsimard | pabelanger: let's follow up in #openstack-infra | 20:00 |
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| fungi | reminder: there is no formal tc meeting this week, but we'll have our second office hour of the week starting in roughly 5 hours (01:00 utc) in the #openstack-tc channel if anyone's interested in participating | 20:02 |
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| oneswig | #startmeeting scientific-sig | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Nov 28 21:00:23 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is oneswig. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'scientific_sig' | 21:00 |
| oneswig | Hellooo | 21:00 |
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| leong | o/ | 21:00 |
| oneswig | #link agenda for today https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Scientific_SIG#IRC_Meeting_November_28th_2017 | 21:00 |
| leong | I am Leong from Intel | 21:01 |
| oneswig | Hi leong, thanks for coming | 21:01 |
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| leong | oneswig: will try my best to join more often..:-) | 21:01 |
| piyanai | Hello, This is Piyanai from the MOC | 21:01 |
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| oneswig | That'd be great... | 21:01 |
| piyanai | Rajul will also be joining in couple minutes | 21:01 |
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| oneswig | Hi piyanai, thanks for joining | 21:01 |
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| epei | Hey, I am Erming from Compute Canada Cloud team | 21:02 |
| oneswig | Hi epei, welcome | 21:02 |
| b1airo | Morning | 21:02 |
| epei | oneswig: thanks | 21:02 |
| oneswig | g'day b1airo | 21:02 |
| oneswig | #chair b1airo | 21:02 |
| openstack | Current chairs: b1airo oneswig | 21:02 |
| isunil | Hello. This is Sunil from Intel. | 21:03 |
| oneswig | Hi isunil, thanks for coming | 21:03 |
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| oneswig | Shall we get started | 21:03 |
| oneswig | b1airo: we are expecting martial today, right? | 21:03 |
| rajulk | Hi! this is rajul from MOC | 21:03 |
| oneswig | Hello rajulk, thanks for coming | 21:04 |
| verdurin | Evening. | 21:04 |
| b1airo | I think so, should be his TZ | 21:04 |
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| oneswig | Hi verdurin | 21:04 |
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| oneswig | ok, lets get the show on the road | 21:04 |
| oneswig | #topic ostack-hpc / hpc-cloud-toolkit | 21:04 |
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| oneswig | leong: isunil: would you like to describe your project first? | 21:05 |
| leong | ok | 21:05 |
| leong | sur | 21:05 |
| leong | #link HPC Cloud Toolkit: https://github.com/hpc-cloud-toolkit/ostack-hpc | 21:05 |
| leong | this is the hpc cloud toolkit that Intel HPC team is working on the past few monhts | 21:05 |
| leong | we are now open-sourcing the solution | 21:05 |
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| isunil | This is a recipe to create HPC in a cloud, leveraging OpenHPC | 21:06 |
| isunil | OpenHPC components | 21:06 |
| oneswig | Everything from OpenHPC? | 21:06 |
| isunil | thanks Leong | 21:06 |
| leong | yup.. basiclly integrating OpenHPC with OpenStack (Ironic specifically) | 21:06 |
| leong | combining the both open-source tooling for HPC community | 21:06 |
| oneswig | how does openstack integrate with beowulf/warewulf - or just replace the infra management components? | 21:07 |
| isunil | warewulf is not used here. | 21:07 |
| isunil | it is replaced with ironic | 21:07 |
| leong | oneswig: for now, it is mainly the infra managment | 21:07 |
| oneswig | sounds good. | 21:07 |
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| oneswig | Can you describe the process you're using? | 21:07 |
| leong | using ironic to provision the "hpc-head" and "hpc-compute" node | 21:07 |
| leong | there are generally 3 phase | 21:08 |
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| leong | phase 1: using disk-image-buider to build the HPC related images | 21:08 |
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| leong | phase 2: using ironic to deploy the physical nodes for HPC Head/Compute | 21:08 |
| leong | phase 3: provision/configure the OpenHPC on the nodes in phase 2 | 21:08 |
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| oneswig | That's ansible-driven configuration in phase 3? | 21:09 |
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| leong | this simplify and make the deployment of HPC cluster easier in the cloud | 21:09 |
| isunil | no ansible so far | 21:09 |
| leong | right now, in phase 3, it is more on a cloud-init script | 21:09 |
| trandles | hi folks...sorry, my calendar didn't update with the time change :( | 21:09 |
| piyanai | How tightly does the implementation with Ironic? | 21:09 |
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| leong | ansible playbook can be consider for future releases (depending on community needs) | 21:10 |
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| Chris_MonashUni | Any global storage associated with the cluster? | 21:10 |
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| leong | this is the initial POC/prototype, there is no "global storage" associated with the cluster recipe now | 21:10 |
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| leong | but we are looking into Lustre | 21:11 |
| isunil | we are envisioning to have Luster as a service. | 21:11 |
| b1airo | What special HPC things is OpenHPC helping us with? | 21:11 |
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| oneswig | leong: We use CephFS and have developed early Manila integration for that. | 21:11 |
| leong | piyanai: we uses Ironic to provision the baremetal host, depending on your perspective, i would said it is loosely | 21:11 |
| oneswig | isunil: would be interesting to see ansible playbooks for lustre-as-a-service. | 21:12 |
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| leong | oneswig: is CephFS going to be widely adopted by HPC communty? | 21:12 |
| b1airo | leong: too early to say, but it has a lot of interest and traction | 21:13 |
| leong | oneswig: we are wondering if Manila can be integrated with Lustre? | 21:13 |
| piyanai | Great, so if I have another “ironic” like software, I should be able to do a plug-and-play replacing Ironic easily… | 21:13 |
| Chris_MonashUni | does "lustre-as-a-service" mean building OSS's via nova and provisioning to your provider network, or having an existing luster setup that becomes accessible (driven by Manila) | 21:13 |
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| isunil | OpenHPC brings with all tested, libraries, integrated components with it. all HPC environment installing HPC libraries on head node and sharing libraries and path with compute node via NFS | 21:13 |
| oneswig | leong: CephFS is not particularly performant in a parallel use case, we are using it a bit like NFS - home directories basically. | 21:13 |
| leong | piyanai: by theory it is.. however, the recipe now is integrated in an OpenStack environment | 21:13 |
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| Chris_MonashUni | @oneswig, isn't home directories the worst place for something like CephFS? | 21:14 |
| oneswig | leong: lustre integration with Manila - could be possible but requires kernel patches for lnet doesn't it? | 21:14 |
| b1airo | isunil: can you describe the testing a little more - that sounds like a good motivation for using it | 21:14 |
| leong | from our perspective, we are wondering if that toolkit can be "integrated" in the OpenStack community (for example, creating a HPC project) | 21:14 |
| oneswig | Chris_MonashUni: not yet. It turns out scratch space is worse | 21:14 |
| oneswig | for us... parallel file opens not good | 21:15 |
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| priteau | leong: Is the system designed to use Ironic to deploy head and compute nodes once by request of an admin, or do you allow HPC users to deploy their own environments regularly? | 21:15 |
| leong | oneswig: might be, not sure yet, we haven't deep dive into that path | 21:15 |
| oneswig | Chris_MonashUni: but jewel's CephFS - not good for anything that does fsync (eg, vim) - you've definitely got a point | 21:16 |
| isunil | b1airo: OpenHPC maintains integrated test suites, for every library, application they have | 21:16 |
| isunil | after provisioning HPC, we run OpenHPC integration test suites to verify all functionality | 21:17 |
| oneswig | leong: isunil: you've mentioned lustre integration, what other plans do you have? | 21:17 |
| leong | priteau: the toolkit was testing based on a request from admin, this can also allow HPC users to deploy their own | 21:17 |
| b1airo | leong: OpenStack community integration is an interesting idea for sure | 21:17 |
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| oneswig | leong: just saw your comment up there - aha, elaborate on that? | 21:17 |
| leong | oneswig: OmniPath :-) | 21:17 |
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| b1airo | priteau: if I understand correctly then OpenHPC is just a tenant of the cloud, so users of the HPC are necessarily aware of the cloud infrastructure underneath | 21:18 |
| oneswig | Intel Inside, eh? :-) | 21:18 |
| leong | oneswig: you mean the HPC users deployment? | 21:18 |
| priteau | b1airo: you mean "not necessarily aware"? | 21:18 |
| oneswig | the community part - leong how would that be done? | 21:19 |
| b1airo | Yes! | 21:19 |
| isunil | oneswig: OpenHPC is community maintained "A linux foundation" | 21:19 |
| oneswig | isunil: will the ostack-hpc project become part of that? | 21:19 |
| leong | oneswig: the community part.. ok... that's the thing i want to discuss in this Scientific SIG | 21:19 |
| oneswig | leong: you've got ~2 minutes :-) | 21:20 |
| isunil | oneswig: we were hoping for that.. | 21:20 |
| leong | i am not sure if this is feasible to create a "HPC project", something like "DBaaS Trove" | 21:20 |
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| leong | so eventually this can provide a "HPC catalog" services that based on OpenHPC and OpenStack | 21:21 |
| b1airo | Can't see why not | 21:21 |
| epei | leong: Can we combine step 2 and 3 - Make a comprehensive image that contains what you want to do in #3? | 21:21 |
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| oneswig | leong: ironic, heat and ansible galaxy would be a great toolbag for this | 21:21 |
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| leong | oneswig: yes | 21:21 |
| leong | epei: we kind of want to split it so that it is more flexible | 21:22 |
| leong | epei: so step 3 potentially can be done with either heat, cloud-init, ansible, etc | 21:22 |
| epei | leong: I see. thanks | 21:22 |
| oneswig | leong: epei: generally there's parameters to configure with here too. | 21:23 |
| leong | what do you guys think about the idea of "HPC project"? | 21:23 |
| epei | leong: On the other hand, the head and compute nodes are different. | 21:23 |
| leong | eventually this can add on others like Lustre | 21:23 |
| rajulk | leong: just curoious..waht will this "HPC catalog" offer....template to integrate various openstack serivces for HPC? | 21:23 |
| oneswig | leong: I think it is a good idea but I am not sure if something like Senlin is the way to do it. | 21:23 |
| piyanai | Any statistic that can be shaerd? | 21:23 |
| piyanai | deployment time for example? | 21:23 |
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| piyanai | Or is it still too early for that? | 21:24 |
| oneswig | leong: isunil: have you had any interest from OpenHPC for this work/ | 21:24 |
| leong | oneswig: wasn't sure too much on senline | 21:24 |
| Chris_MonashUni | leong: I'd be careful about labeling it as HPC, more like batch scheduler. to achieve the H, you need magic hardware integration | 21:24 |
| oneswig | leong: so an HPC project might not get the mindshare if it was created in that form. Where to get the best focus on it? | 21:25 |
| leong | Chris_MonashUni: you are right, the HPC Project will specifically focusing on hardware integration and HPC software enabling | 21:25 |
| oneswig | Chris_MonashUni: very true, totally agree | 21:25 |
| isunil | oneswig: I noticed some interest from OpenHPC community, In past there were one request to OpenHPC to support OpenStack.. they are looking for a recipe to create images and provision... | 21:25 |
| rajulk | Chris_MonashUni: +1 | 21:25 |
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| leong | this is still at an early stage discussion, i am hoping to get more feedback/opinions from the community | 21:26 |
| oneswig | We create something similar using https://github.com/stackhpc/stackhpc-image-elements/tree/master/elements/openhpc for elements, https://galaxy.ansible.com/stackhpc/cluster-infra/ for heat and https://github.com/SKA-ScienceDataProcessor/p3-appliances for stage 3 - there has to be some common ground | 21:27 |
| Chris_MonashUni | One nice integration down the line might be application credentials to allow the cluster to access the Openstack users objectstorage | 21:27 |
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| oneswig | Chris_MonashUni: ever used barbican for storing cephx keys, monasca credentials etc? | 21:27 |
| leong | Chris_MonashUni: +1 | 21:27 |
| oneswig | Seems to work well for project-level secrets | 21:27 |
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| Chris_MonashUni | no, I haven't used babrican, but keep meaning to look at it ;-) | 21:28 |
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| Chris_MonashUni | it does sound appropriate | 21:28 |
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| oneswig | Chris_MonashUni: I have an ansible plugin for getting secrets from barbican and setting them as facts | 21:28 |
| Chris_MonashUni | that sounds fun, care to share? | 21:28 |
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| oneswig | Chris_MonashUni: try this: https://github.com/SKA-ScienceDataProcessor/p3-appliances/tree/master/ansible/roles/alaska_secrets/library | 21:29 |
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| oneswig | I welcome your PRs to it :-) | 21:30 |
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| Chris_MonashUni | noice. I might move our team to putting all their stuff in babrican with that ;-) | 21:30 |
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| oneswig | Vault is good but this could be more dynamic | 21:30 |
| leong | anymore questions for the HPC Cloud Toolkit? | 21:30 |
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| oneswig | leong: could you make something happen with scientific sig support? | 21:31 |
| Chris_MonashUni | @leong so you spin up a slurmdbd and mysql backend to store accounting info or just throw it away? | 21:31 |
| leong | oneswig: what do you mean "scientific sig support"? | 21:31 |
| Chris_MonashUni | s/so/do/ | 21:31 |
| oneswig | Chris_MonashUni: trade you a playbook for your slurm backend! | 21:31 |
| Chris_MonashUni | haha, OK | 21:32 |
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| oneswig | We should move on - MOC team, you ready? | 21:33 |
| piyanai | As ready as can be :) | 21:33 |
| oneswig | #link Slurm at Massachusetts Open Cloud | 21:33 |
| leong | Chris_MonashUni: in this POC, it doesn't persist | 21:33 |
| oneswig | Take it away piyanai | 21:33 |
| piyanai | Rajul | 21:33 |
| piyanai | would you like to start? | 21:34 |
| piyanai | Will jump in as needed | 21:34 |
| rajulk | piyanai: sure | 21:34 |
| rajulk | the main idea of this poc(as yet ) is to use the underutilized cloud resources for scientific computing | 21:34 |
| rajulk | so this scales an already exisitng slurm cluster over virtual machines as and when resources are avialable | 21:35 |
| rajulk | scaling is driven by Openstack watcher. we added a strategy to look for resource utilization from openstack monasca and then scale the cluster if the utilization is low | 21:37 |
| piyanai | We use OpenStack Watcher to monitor the cloud resource, contact/interact with Slurm to provision instances if/when there are tasks on Slurm queue. | 21:37 |
| b1airo | Could Watcher easily have non Monasca data source/s - Monasca still looks extremely heavy | 21:38 |
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| piyanai | As far as I know, yes, it’s still Monasca that gets the most use cases and support in Watcher | 21:38 |
| piyanai | In the MOC, we had a lot of scale issues with Celometer, btw. | 21:39 |
| piyanai | We are considering moving to Monasca for monitoring | 21:39 |
| b1airo | Monitoring, or metrics? | 21:39 |
| piyanai | Both? | 21:40 |
| oneswig | piyanai: we use Monasca - and use the multi-tenant features for providing performance telemetry to Slurm users. | 21:40 |
| piyanai | Great! we should talk. | 21:40 |
| oneswig | Currently investigating a local deploy of prometheus for the same. | 21:40 |
| oneswig | piyanai: that'd be great, would be good to share notes. | 21:41 |
| rajulk | oneswig: how's the overhead with monasca | 21:41 |
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| oneswig | In terms of delay or metrics sampling rate? Not too sure on either. We do hate the jvm processes though, they can be real hogs | 21:42 |
| oneswig | We are currently kolla-ising it - or trying to - which might confine them better | 21:42 |
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| rajulk | watcher continuously runs as a background daemon and checks for the job in slum and resource utilization from monasca | 21:44 |
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| piyanai | Grow : create instances if there is resource in the cloud. Or if there is already suspended instances | 21:44 |
| piyanai | Shrink : Nova API to suspend instances | 21:44 |
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| oneswig | What do you do to reconfigure slurm? Or is it sized to maximum at creation? | 21:45 |
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| rajulk | the config file contains the max possible nodes in the cluster | 21:46 |
| b1airo | Do you have a configurable high watermark at which point you stop growing and calculate necessary shrink against? I.e so there is always some capacity available | 21:46 |
| priteau | piyanai: Are you using the Mongo-backed Ceilometer, or Gnocchi? | 21:46 |
| piyanai | Yes, the watermark is set in Watcher | 21:46 |
| rajulk | b1airo | 21:46 |
| rajulk | yes there is a threshold | 21:47 |
| piyanai | Ceilometer -> Gnocchi | 21:47 |
| piyanai | For the POC, the threshole is set to 50% | 21:48 |
| piyanai | What we found is that Watcher is very easy to use for this purpose | 21:48 |
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| piyanai | It’s basically boiled down to a few stages ; monitor/analyse/profile/goal/plan/apply | 21:49 |
| oneswig | piyanai: what needs doing before this can go into production? | 21:49 |
| verdurin | piyanai: you mentioned in the Sydney talk that you discussed your work at the Slurm User Group meeting | 21:49 |
| verdurin | piyanai: is the work submitted to SchedMD? | 21:49 |
| piyanai | verdurin: Rajul is proposing the work to the User Group meeting | 21:50 |
| priteau | piyanai: Did you solve your scaling issues when switching to Gnocchi? | 21:50 |
| piyanai | I believe it’s under reviewed | 21:50 |
| oneswig | Did you get the suspended state into Slurm? | 21:51 |
| piyanai | Scaling with Gnocchi -> nope | 21:51 |
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| rajulk | verdurin: this was proposed to the SchedMD....so a whole or some minimal feature might be added to slurm | 21:51 |
| rajulk | oneswig: yes we added a suspend state for poc | 21:52 |
| oneswig | rajulk: but did it go into Slurm's code base? | 21:52 |
| verdurin | rajulk: would be good to hear about progress with them | 21:52 |
| rajulk | oneswig: not yet | 21:52 |
| priteau | piyanai: That's surprising because the Gnocchi developers often talk about how scalable it is | 21:52 |
| oneswig | rajulk: good luck :-) | 21:52 |
| b1airo | Still depends on the Gnocchi backend I guesss | 21:53 |
| trandles | SchedMD must be getting tired of hearing about OpenStack integration...I started talking with them last week about upstreaming some plugins...maybe we should have a larger more general discussion | 21:53 |
| rajulk | thanks :) | 21:53 |
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| piyanai | priteau: we might had done something not quite right (doubt it). But every time a new version of OpenStack comes out we had high hope… but ended up with just abandan Ceilometer/Gnocchi | 21:54 |
| rajulk | trandles +1 | 21:54 |
| verdurin | trandles: yes, success is more likely that way | 21:54 |
| oneswig | It's interesting to hear a very different use case for Slurm. Instead of an enclosed cluster, something hybrid, integrating with the wider data centre | 21:55 |
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| piyanai | Slurm = HPC ? | 21:55 |
| verdurin | oneswig: they would be wise to embrace this sort of integration | 21:55 |
| piyanai | HPC = Slurm - at least that’s my impression from Physics folks around us | 21:56 |
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| oneswig | piyanai: not always I guess, but perhaps hpc mostly = slurm? | 21:56 |
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| trandles | rajulk: is it ok if I email you and start an implementation discussion? | 21:56 |
| Chris_MonashUni | @piyanai except when Physic = Globus Toolkit ;-) | 21:56 |
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| piyanai | Oh no, Globus … | 21:56 |
| trandles | HPC == slurm/torque/openpbs/pbspro/lsf | 21:56 |
| verdurin | rajulk: do you have a link to your source? I couldn't see one in the presentation video | 21:56 |
| rajulk | trandles: sure....reach me on kumar.raju@husky.neu.edu | 21:57 |
| trandles | rajulk: will do, thx | 21:57 |
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| piyanai | Iff Globus would be open source and free… | 21:57 |
| isunil | Has anyone considered PBSPro over SLURM? | 21:57 |
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| trandles | isunil: the DoD HPCMP program for one... | 21:57 |
| rajulk | verdurin: have that on a private repo....can modify and share that sometime soon | 21:58 |
| b1airo | Why bother with a batch scheduler when you can just combine atq and pdsh?? | 21:58 |
| Chris_MonashUni | @piyanai, yeah, I know it was sort of a joke, but we still do have physics guys integrate with CERN via globus pipelines (tier 3 processing centres over here) | 21:58 |
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| verdurin | rajulk: okay, thanks. Please do let us know when it's available. | 21:58 |
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| piyanai | Chris_MonashUni: Understood. | 21:59 |
| Chris_MonashUni | @isunil: we moved to slurm (from torque/maui) primarily because the support contract didn't really offer much over what we could get from the interwebs anyway | 21:59 |
| rajulk | verdurin: sure..thanks | 21:59 |
| Chris_MonashUni | PBSPro would be similar, even if Pro offers advantages they may not be large enough to justify the expense | 22:00 |
| b1airo | Time! | 22:00 |
| oneswig | ah so it is | 22:00 |
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| oneswig | thanks to our presenters and thanks for joining in. | 22:00 |
| piyanai | Thanks! | 22:00 |
| isunil | Chris_MonashUni: reason I was asking, because PBSpro might be working on adding OpenStack. | 22:00 |
| oneswig | #endmeeting | 22:00 |
| martial_ | (sigh wrong time again. My bad, sorry) | 22:00 |
| Chris_MonashUni | ahh, that makes sense @isunil | 22:00 |
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| oneswig | martial_: welcome | 22:01 |
| isunil | that gives advantage to PBSPro over SLURM. | 22:01 |
| oneswig | :-) | 22:01 |
| rajulk | isunil: +1 may check this out..thanks | 22:01 |
| trandles | same for me martial_ ... I joined "early" and got lucky :P | 22:01 |
| oneswig | I think the meetbot crashed during the meeting and has failed to close our meeting... | 22:01 |
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| Chris_MonashUni | @isunil, personally I think the slurm power managment stuff for upping and downing nodes would be a good point to hook openstack integration | 22:02 |
| verdurin | oneswig: you'll never leave | 22:02 |
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| oneswig | verdurin: We are in IRC's "Hotel California" | 22:02 |
| Chris_MonashUni | but slurm really only makes decisions based on the queue, and can't look at the state of the cloud | 22:02 |
| trandles | oneswig: the log stops around the 42 minute mark :( | 22:02 |
| verdurin | Chris_MonashUni: yes, that's the sort of approach I've seen so far | 22:02 |
| verdurin | oneswig: thinking more Royston Vasey | 22:02 |
| oneswig | trandles: did someone say something rude to crash the bot? | 22:02 |
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| piyanai | Chris_MonashUni: I don’t think Physics users care if it’s cloud or bare metal | 22:03 |
| piyanai | They know Slurm works | 22:03 |
| oneswig | verdurin: That's a topical observation | 22:03 |
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| piyanai | They have used it - it’s a habbit | 22:03 |
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| Chris_MonashUni | @piyanai: I don't think they care either, except in so far as they want them TLB misses to be minimised and their cache hits to be maximised | 22:04 |
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| b1airo | Bye all - I'm already in my next (physical) meeting | 22:04 |
| Chris_MonashUni | which has implications on how the vm is configured on the hypervisor, but only minor ones | 22:04 |
| trandles | piyanai: I would assume you try not to put MPI jobs on the cloud-hosts nodes | 22:04 |
| Chris_MonashUni | bye @b1airo | 22:04 |
| piyanai | Have got to go for another meeting now… thanks all … have a great holidays | 22:04 |
| trandles | cheers b1airo | 22:04 |
| Chris_MonashUni | bye all | 22:04 |
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| oneswig | Thanks all | 22:05 |
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| verdurin | Bye | 22:08 |
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