| ekcs | #startmeeting congressteammeeting | 00:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Oct 19 00:01:41 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ekcs. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 00:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 00:01 |
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| masahito | hi | 00:24 |
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| ekcs | oh hi masahito ! | 00:27 |
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| ekcs | hi masahito I think it’s just you and me today =) | 00:30 |
| ekcs | anything on your mind to discuss? | 00:30 |
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| masahito | got it. | 00:30 |
| masahito | it's a small thing. | 00:31 |
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| masahito | this week is q-1 release, right? | 00:31 |
| ekcs | go for it | 00:31 |
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| masahito | when do you plan to tag it? | 00:31 |
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| ekcs | I could do it today. | 00:32 |
| ekcs | thanks for bringing it up! | 00:32 |
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| ekcs | release repo has some issues right now though so releases not taking place right now. maybe i’ll just wait until an update on that. | 00:34 |
| ekcs | I’ll propose something. | 00:35 |
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| masahito | got it | 00:37 |
| ekcs | One thing to mention: Pierre from orange submitted the config verification spec for review here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/512236/ | 00:38 |
| ekcs | we had discussed it during meeting previously. | 00:38 |
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| masahito | nice. It's an interesting feature. | 00:39 |
| masahito | I'll review it. | 00:39 |
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| ekcs | great! | 00:41 |
| ekcs | anything else on your mind? | 00:41 |
| ekcs | anything off topic? haha. | 00:41 |
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| masahito | that's all from my side | 00:41 |
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| bottlesfactory | Papa francesco | 00:42 |
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| bottlesfactory | Do you put honey in the tea | 00:44 |
| ekcs | got it masahito | 00:44 |
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| ramineni_ | ekcs: masahito: hi | 00:46 |
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| ekcs | hi ramineni_ ! | 00:47 |
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| ramineni_ | Sorry joined late | 00:47 |
| ekcs | np. | 00:47 |
| ramineni_ | Ekcs: New meeting time sounds good to me | 00:47 |
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| ramineni_ | ekcs: are we finalizing that ? | 00:48 |
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| ekcs | ramineni_: great. I’ll send out an email on ML to solicit any other opinions but I think we can expect the new time. | 00:48 |
| ramineni_ | ekcs: ok ..great | 00:49 |
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| ekcs | sticking with original time next week still though to have some time to switch over. | 00:49 |
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| ramineni_ | Ya ..sure | 00:49 |
| ekcs | expecting new time starting 11/3 does that work? | 00:49 |
| ramineni_ | Yes | 00:49 |
| ekcs | great. | 00:49 |
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| ramineni_ | And also I raised a patch on policy lib gui ..just listing | 00:50 |
| ekcs | yes I saw the review request. thanks for that! | 00:50 |
| masahito | the new time works for me. | 00:50 |
| ekcs | thanks masahito ! | 00:50 |
| ekcs | oh also did anyone see the email asking about live migrate? | 00:50 |
| ekcs | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-October/123764.html | 00:50 |
| ekcs | I’m going to follow up with him. | 00:50 |
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| bottlesfactory | The night Train sofia-istanbul is uncomfortable | 00:51 |
| ekcs | but it’s good to see people doing that kind of stuff in opnfv using congress. sounds like maybe doctor influence. | 00:51 |
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| ekcs | which reminds me, ramineni_ when you mention getting asked about missing drivers, who are these users? NEC in-house IT use? NEC testing/proof-of-concept use? | 00:52 |
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| ramineni_ | testing and opnfv guys I suppose .. Got mail it's not working | 00:53 |
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| ekcs | got it. do they ever have requests or suggestions for congress? | 00:54 |
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| ramineni_ | :) .. no ..only issues | 00:55 |
| ekcs | haha ok. next time you have contact with one of them could you ask whether they have any suggestions or requests? | 00:56 |
| ekcs | would be very helpful to hear as much as we can =) | 00:56 |
| ramineni_ | Sure .. Will do | 00:56 |
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| ekcs | ok well. just a couple minutes left. | 00:57 |
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| ekcs | anything else on our minds? | 00:57 |
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| ramineni_ | Nothing from my side | 00:58 |
| ekcs | oh I’ll also mention this: gate a finally unblocked. but under zuul, all the replicated congress tests fail (very early within 6 minutes, probably not even getting to anything congress specific). | 00:58 |
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| ekcs | here’s where you can see results: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/509697/ | 00:58 |
| ekcs | we have no idea why right now, hopefully someone will figure it out =p | 00:58 |
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| ekcs | alright then. time’s up. talk to you’all later! | 00:59 |
| ekcs | #endmeeting | 01:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Oct 19 01:00:01 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 01:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2017/congressteammeeting.2017-10-19-00.01.html | 01:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2017/congressteammeeting.2017-10-19-00.01.txt | 01:00 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2017/congressteammeeting.2017-10-19-00.01.log.html | 01:00 |
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| masahito | bye | 01:03 |
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| shaohe_feng | zhenguo: morning | 02:07 |
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| Xinran_ | o/ | 02:11 |
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| litao__ | o/ | 02:15 |
| litao__ | meeting? | 02:15 |
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| Xinran_ | litao__, seems zhenguo is in an internal meeting now | 02:16 |
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| zhenguo | shaohe_feng, litao__, Xinran: sorry, no meeting today :) | 02:19 |
| wanghao | zhenguo: haha | 02:20 |
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| litao__ | zhenguo: cool | 02:22 |
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| VW | evening, all | 05:00 |
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| jamemcc_ | Hi | 05:00 |
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| VW | #startmeeting uc | 05:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Oct 19 05:01:02 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is VW. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 05:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 05:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'uc' | 05:01 |
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| leong | o/ | 05:01 |
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| jamemcc_ | o/ | 05:01 |
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| emagana | hello! | 05:02 |
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| VW | not sure if we have a big crowd, but if you could, please drop your name in here https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cross_wc_meetings | 05:02 |
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| leong | VW: i have another meeting in 30 mins... so will drop half-way | 05:03 |
| VW | no worries, leong | 05:03 |
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| VW | looks like we areonly 4 right now | 05:04 |
| emagana | :-( | 05:04 |
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| zulijun | hi | 05:05 |
| leong | hi zulijun | 05:05 |
| zulijun | hi leo | 05:05 |
| zulijun | I am on meeting | 05:05 |
| VW | hello zulijun | 05:05 |
| zulijun | hello VM | 05:06 |
| emagana | zulijun: good to have you around! | 05:06 |
| zulijun | I first attend across UC meeting | 05:06 |
| zulijun | hi emagana | 05:06 |
| leong | VW: emagana: I think we can go ahead with what we have today... | 05:07 |
| VW | yep | 05:07 |
| emagana | correct! | 05:07 |
| VW | #topic SYD forum | 05:07 |
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| zulijun | yeah, I will report on the work of the financial working group | 05:07 |
| VW | in the UC meeting on Monday, the following was brought up for WG chairs to review | 05:08 |
| VW | #link http://forumtopics.openstack.org | 05:08 |
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| VW | emagana any sessions you think WG chairs should pay close attention to | 05:08 |
| emagana | two of them | 05:09 |
| VW | WG chairs, any sessions that you are running that you want some more of us in? | 05:09 |
| emagana | the UC one and the WGs one | 05:09 |
| emagana | let me find the links | 05:09 |
| emagana | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/sydney-2017/summit-schedule/events/19343/working-groups-updates-and-coordination-meeting-with-uc | 05:10 |
| emagana | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/sydney-2017/summit-schedule/events/20496/user-committee-planning-activities-for-next-cycle | 05:10 |
| zulijun | https://www.openstack.org/summit/sydney-2017/summit-schedule/events/20413 | 05:10 |
| zulijun | the url is financial working group session | 05:11 |
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| emagana | These are all the WGs sessions: #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/sydney-2017/summit-schedule/global-search?t=Working%20Groups | 05:11 |
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| leong | #link Product Team working session: https://www.openstack.org/summit/sydney-2017/summit-schedule/events/20411/product-team-working-session | 05:11 |
| leong | i will try my best to attend those sessions.. | 05:12 |
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| emagana | +1 same here! | 05:13 |
| VW | cool - there are probably some more coming too. I know I put a request on the spreadsheet for LDT and I see that jamemcc_ has his on there as well | 05:13 |
| leong | is the schedule of Forum sessions published? | 05:13 |
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| jamemcc_ | I won't be going to Sydney but I will bring this up to the others in LCOO that are going to have a LCOO representative, especially at the Workgin Groups Update | 05:13 |
| VW | awesome | 05:14 |
| VW | thanks jamemcc_ and sorry we won't see you there | 05:14 |
| jamemcc_ | I did follow up with the speakersupport@openstack.org and they are offering me slots - we just didnt' finalize yet | 05:14 |
| emagana | Yes leong | 05:14 |
| leong | emagana: just saw it.. thanks! | 05:15 |
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| VW | cool - anything else SYD related? | 05:16 |
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| emagana | nothing here! | 05:17 |
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| VW | cool - moving along | 05:18 |
| VW | #topic communication methods | 05:18 |
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| VW | so.... | 05:18 |
| VW | as evidenced by the small number of WG chairs, the UC folks were wondering if the UC mailing list wasn't the best way to reach out to everyone | 05:19 |
| VW | any thoughts from those of you here? | 05:19 |
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| jamemcc_ | I try to keep up with the UC mailing list, so I am in favor of it | 05:20 |
| leong | for things that needs attention to WG chairs, maybe we should send the email to UC mailing list AND WG chair's email | 05:20 |
| leong | i did monitor UC mailing list but some time might missed ..:-) | 05:21 |
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| leong | for my perspective, message sending to my "direct" email will appear top in my mailbox :) | 05:22 |
| emagana | I suggest to email them directly and find out if they are still available to chair the WG | 05:22 |
| VW | yeah - not sure if we have a comprehensive list of the emails some where | 05:22 |
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| VW | emagana has an old version | 05:22 |
| leong | emagana: +1 | 05:22 |
| emagana | we should go one by one | 05:22 |
| VW | yeah - sounds reasonable | 05:23 |
| VW | once we do, we should add the relevant ones here | 05:24 |
| VW | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/Foundation/UserCommittee | 05:24 |
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| VW | ok - I don't mind driving the effort to touch base with the chairs, but I might need a little historical context emagana | 05:25 |
| emagana | I can help you, we can send the emails together | 05:26 |
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| VW | #action VW to send emails to current list of WG chairs to verify availability | 05:26 |
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| emagana | +2 | 05:27 |
| VW | #action emagana to help with WG chair verification | 05:27 |
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| VW | cool - well, I know leong has to run in a couple of minutes | 05:27 |
| VW | #topic WG status updates | 05:28 |
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| leong | VW: thanks! | 05:28 |
| leong | i will provide quick update on Product Team and Enterprise WG | 05:28 |
| leong | for Product Team, we had a virtual midcycle on Sep 18 and Sep 19 | 05:28 |
| leong | as part of the meeting, we decided to spin out a Roadmap Team out from Product Team | 05:29 |
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| leong | shamail and anne (Foundation) are working on to establish the new Roadmap Team | 05:29 |
| leong | for Product Team, the team will focus on collaborating with every WG/Team and provide "product management" support | 05:30 |
| leong | the team will discuss with SIG group (at SYD forum) on how to utilize Product Team "Development Proposal" workflow | 05:30 |
| leong | and using a common repository to maintain "features/requirements" from each SIG | 05:31 |
| leong | more will be discussed at Sydney Forum SIG sessions | 05:31 |
| leong | for Enterprise WG, the team has been working since 3 years ago and achieved many deliverables | 05:31 |
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| leong | we decided to "wrapped up" the EWG and transition the refernce archiecture works to a SIG | 05:32 |
| leong | any question? | 05:32 |
| VW | no, that's great. So the EWG is no longer going to meet | 05:33 |
| VW | at least not under the WG/UC Governance model | 05:33 |
| emagana | sounds good! EWG has been a very successful one. I wish you a good transition to SUG | 05:33 |
| emagana | SIG* | 05:33 |
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| leong | VW: yup.. there is no more EWG meeting | 05:34 |
| emagana | my only concern is to know what kind of umbrella will SIG have if they don't belong to either TC or UC | 05:34 |
| VW | emagana, leong - mind if I update this | 05:34 |
| leong | emagana: agreed | 05:34 |
| VW | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/Foundation/UserCommittee | 05:34 |
| leong | emagana: that's something need to figure out... | 05:34 |
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| leong | VW: please do so | 05:35 |
| emagana | leong: sounds good! | 05:35 |
| VW | #action VW clean up the Governance page to remove EWG | 05:35 |
| VW | leong, I know you have to run. Thanks for sharing | 05:35 |
| leong | i will stay on the line.. just need to attending another voice meeting | 05:36 |
| VW | zulijun: you want to give a quick update on the Finance team | 05:36 |
| VW | and then jamemcc_ you can go with LCOO and FEMDC | 05:36 |
| jamemcc_ | k | 05:37 |
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| zulijun | VM: OK | 05:37 |
| zulijun | First, we have own wiki | 05:38 |
| zulijun | wiki setup http://wiki.openstack.org/financial_team | 05:38 |
| VW | excellent | 05:39 |
| zulijun | Second, China's major financial institutions have participated in us | 05:39 |
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| emagana | awesome news! | 05:40 |
| VW | indeed | 05:41 |
| zulijun | such as Industrial & Commercial Bank of China Limited, World’s NO.1 bank ;Agricultural Bank of China Limited,World’s NO.3 bank | 05:41 |
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| VW | anything you need from the UC zulijun | 05:42 |
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| jamemcc_ | for me the wiki link above ddin't work but this one does: | 05:42 |
| jamemcc_ | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Financial_Team | 05:42 |
| zulijun | Bank of China Limited, World’s NO.4 bank ,Bank of China Limited, World’s NO.4 bank;Bank of Communications Co Ltd, China;Industrial Bank Co Ltd;bank of shanghai | 05:42 |
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| zulijun | SUSE/Intel/China Mobile/99cloud/FUDAN UNIVERSITY also participated in us | 05:44 |
| VW | very cool | 05:44 |
| zulijun | Thirdly, We've already started some work | 05:45 |
| VW | awesome | 05:46 |
| VW | anything else zulijun | 05:46 |
| zulijun | 1. UnionPay's white paper are subbmited to foundation;2. We are working on the financial network technology architecture, and there will be a technical document | 05:46 |
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| zulijun | 3. bank of shanghai are working on gaps when using OpenStack to build financial clouds | 05:47 |
| zulijun | That's all | 05:47 |
| VW | great update zulijun | 05:47 |
| VW | keep up the good work | 05:47 |
| VW | jamemcc_: you are up, my friend | 05:48 |
| zulijun | VM:thanks | 05:48 |
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| jamemcc_ | FOr LCOO, (Large Contributing OpenStack Operators) we have 2 efforts that are | 05:48 |
| jamemcc_ | joint contributing items across our membership | 05:48 |
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| jamemcc_ | We are interested to bring more members to them: Containerized Control Plane Support and ERIS (Destructive Testing). | 05:49 |
| jamemcc_ | THe ERIS Forum session is here: | 05:50 |
| jamemcc_ | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/sydney-2017/summit-schedule/events/20470/extremedestructive-testing | 05:50 |
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| jamemcc_ | THe Containerized Control Plane Support Forum is here: #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/sydney-2017/summit-schedule/events/20472/cloud-native-designrefactoring-across-openstack-part-ii | 05:51 |
| jamemcc_ | We had some hope that we would have generated more common work in our first year and | 05:51 |
| jamemcc_ | so in late AUgust, we had a 1 year review with executive stakeholders from our | 05:51 |
| jamemcc_ | c ompanies. | 05:51 |
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| jamemcc_ | We resolved that our approach this 2nd year should be to do more information | 05:52 |
| jamemcc_ | sharing, basically to let the SME's (subject matter experts) get togther to | 05:52 |
| jamemcc_ | propose and debate things that should be getting common attention. | 05:52 |
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| jamemcc_ | To that end | 05:52 |
| jamemcc_ | we've started a new pattern of LCOO sessions that we call Topical sessions. | 05:52 |
| jamemcc_ | This is described here | 05:52 |
| jamemcc_ | #link https://openstack-lcoo.atlassian.net/wiki/spaces/LCOO/pages/18284545/LCOO+Working+Group+-+Year+2+Approach | 05:52 |
| jamemcc_ | We are gathering proposed topics for the future sessions here: | 05:52 |
| jamemcc_ | #link https://openstack-lcoo.atlassian.net/wiki/spaces/LCOO/pages/18153555/LCOO+Topical+Session+Proposals | 05:53 |
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| emagana | impressive amount of work! | 05:54 |
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| VW | awesome - thanks for the info. anything else on LCOO or would you like to talk about FEMDC | 05:54 |
| jamemcc_ | So for year 2 and starting hopefully in the first session after Sydney we would be cvering some of those and welcome anyone to listen in and participate | 05:54 |
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| VW | also - time check (5 minutes left) | 05:55 |
| jamemcc_ | Yeah now FEMDC | 05:55 |
| jamemcc_ | Fog Edge Massively Distributed Computing group, | 05:55 |
| jamemcc_ | though I am not a chair there just interested and wanting tomerge with any LCOO items. | 05:55 |
| jamemcc_ | This group has those interested to investigate how OpenStack | 05:55 |
| jamemcc_ | can fullfil the Edge Computing, Fog Computing and Massively Distributed Use | 05:55 |
| jamemcc_ | cases. | 05:55 |
| jamemcc_ | It's initial emphasis up until the Spring of this year | 05:56 |
| jamemcc_ | was more in invstigating where the limits of OpenStack are when implented on a | 05:56 |
| jamemcc_ | massively distributed scale. | 05:56 |
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| jamemcc_ | Basically investigaating which components do not scale well. | 05:56 |
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| jamemcc_ | Since early this year at the request of the Foundation and of our own interest the team has | 05:56 |
| jamemcc_ | also taken on the task to try to document the Fog and Edge Use cases as separate from the | 05:56 |
| jamemcc_ | massively distributed. | 05:56 |
| jamemcc_ | that draft is: | 05:56 |
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| jamemcc_ | #link https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1sBczuC2Wu1d_misBmPahLPdvyhOI4QuVy129EHunuUM/edit?usp=sharing | 05:56 |
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| jamemcc_ | I think there is a Forum session on this but will have to look a little more | 05:57 |
| jamemcc_ | THe WG iteself has a session | 05:58 |
| jamemcc_ | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/sydney-2017/summit-schedule/events/19510/fogedgemassively-distributed-clouds-working-group?BackURL=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.openstack.org%2Fsummit%2Fsydney-2017%2Fsummit-schedule%2Fglobal-search%3Ft%3DFog%23eventid%3D19510 | 05:58 |
| emagana | +1 | 05:58 |
| jamemcc_ | -over- | 05:58 |
| VW | excellent | 05:58 |
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| VW | thanks jamemcc_ | 05:58 |
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| VW | really quickly LDT has done some great work over the last couple of years and had some great conversation with Neutron in Boston | 05:59 |
| VW | but the meetings have ben sparse since then | 05:59 |
| VW | I'm also stretched between UC, leading it and working with the Ops meetup planning | 05:59 |
| VW | so I'm working on a session in SYD to either | 06:00 |
| VW | A. Find a new chair | 06:00 |
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| VW | B. Finda co-chair | 06:00 |
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| VW | C. See if we are better off spinning it down and focusing on other WG and SIGs that overlap | 06:00 |
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| VW | and with that, I think we are at time | 06:01 |
| VW | next month is probably hard to do this with the summit, but maybe we can try and get the WG chairs together again in Dec? | 06:01 |
| VW | after emagana and I clean up the email ist, etc | 06:02 |
| VW | s/ist/list | 06:02 |
| emagana | VW: sounds good! | 06:02 |
| jamemcc_ | Good | 06:02 |
| VW | awesome | 06:02 |
| VW | thank you all for joining | 06:02 |
| emagana | VW: Thanks a lot for chairing the meeting today | 06:02 |
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| VW | my pleasure | 06:03 |
| VW | see you all again soon! | 06:03 |
| VW | #endmeeting | 06:03 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Oct 19 06:03:16 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 06:03 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/uc/2017/uc.2017-10-19-05.01.html | 06:03 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/uc/2017/uc.2017-10-19-05.01.txt | 06:03 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/uc/2017/uc.2017-10-19-05.01.log.html | 06:03 |
| VW | with that, this camper is off to sleep - it's late in Texas :) | 06:03 |
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| emagana | ohhh! | 06:05 |
| emagana | ciao | 06:05 |
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| eumel8 | #startmeeting OpenStack I18n Meeting | 07:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Oct 19 07:00:04 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is eumel8. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 07:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 07:00 |
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| eumel8 | goood morning! | 07:00 |
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| eumel8 | who's there for the i18n team meeting? | 07:00 |
| jpich | o/ | 07:00 |
| jpich | No coffees yet so no promises ;) | 07:01 |
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| eumel8 | yes! | 07:01 |
| eumel8 | hi jpich :) | 07:01 |
| jpich | hello :) | 07:01 |
| eumel8 | I'm also just arrived the office | 07:01 |
| jpich | 5mn coffee break before we start the meeting? | 07:01 |
| eumel8 | sure | 07:01 |
| jpich | :P | 07:02 |
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| jpich | (back!) | 07:06 |
| eumel8 | #topic Open Discussion | 07:06 |
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| jpich | Ah sorry I didn't realise the meeting had already started | 07:07 |
| eumel8 | yes | 07:07 |
| jpich | Open Discussion: Next PTG is confirmed in Dublin, everybody comes please :) :) | 07:07 |
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| eumel8 | but you are the only one participant - so we can wait ;) | 07:07 |
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| eumel8 | flying with my lovely Aer Lingus Airline | 07:08 |
| jpich | And I even had half a topic for once ;) | 07:08 |
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| jpich | Aer Lingus is good, I recommend it! Are you sure you'll be able to come then, if it's in Europe? | 07:08 |
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| ianychoi | Hi | 07:09 |
| ianychoi | I am in company workshop | 07:10 |
| jpich | Hello ianychoi | 07:10 |
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| eumel8 | I missed one flight with Aer Lingus in the past and that's why I'm a little frowning | 07:10 |
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| eumel8 | Hi ianychoi | 07:10 |
| ianychoi | Hi jpich and eumel8 ! | 07:11 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, which flight to where? | 07:11 |
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| eumel8 | ianychoi: We have no special topics today - only Open Discussions | 07:11 |
| jpich | They've been much more reliable and nicer than RyanAir for me here so I recommend them sincerely, but ymmv of course :) | 07:11 |
| jpich | ianychoi: Next PTG in Dublin (where I live \o/) in February :) | 07:11 |
| eumel8 | ianychoi: Irish airline to fly to Dublin PTG next spring | 07:11 |
| ianychoi | Aha... | 07:12 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, okay :) | 07:12 |
| eumel8 | jpich: You can book RyanAir "first class" and then it's bearable | 07:13 |
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| ianychoi | I have not finished my action items discussed last week - I will do this week sorry about that | 07:13 |
| jpich | <no comments> | 07:13 |
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| ianychoi | 1st class is almost always fine :) | 07:14 |
| eumel8 | ianychoi: don't worry, infra-team is still under preasure and busy with the zuul v3 migration | 07:14 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, thanks | 07:14 |
| ianychoi | :) | 07:14 |
| eumel8 | ianychoi: RyanAir first class is similar to Economy in other airlines | 07:15 |
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| ianychoi | eumel8, oh really | 07:15 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, btw have u discussed with Zanata team about Sydney presentation? | 07:15 |
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| eumel8 | ianychoi: for weeks, yes | 07:16 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, I am not sure the current status but it would be so nice if we discuss the status of Sydney presentation and prepare what to do | 07:17 |
| eumel8 | ianychoi: I think it's in the hand of amotoki. He will present something with Zanata guys there | 07:18 |
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| ianychoi | eumel8, hmm okay - I will ask it | 07:22 |
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| eumel8 | ianychoi: still need a merge before we can https://review.openstack.org/#/c/506795/ | 07:23 |
| ianychoi | Okay :) LGTM | 07:24 |
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| eumel8 | there are now some more core reviewer nominated in the infra team this week. Hopefully we can continue to work alongside zuul | 07:24 |
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| eumel8 | and rework of translation jobs are still in progess but I jumped not so deep into this topic | 07:27 |
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| ianychoi | Gut | 07:30 |
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| jpich | Ok then? | 07:38 |
| eumel8 | jpich: https://twitter.com/eumel_8/status/920912848544522240 | 07:38 |
| jpich | Nice! | 07:38 |
| eumel8 | just a view outside the office ;) | 07:38 |
| jpich | haha | 07:39 |
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| jpich | I wonder if I'll be able to go | 07:39 |
| jpich | we'll see closer to the event probably | 07:39 |
| eumel8 | sure | 07:40 |
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| jpich | I take it you'll be going ;) | 07:41 |
| ianychoi | Wow :) | 07:41 |
| ianychoi | Sorry I need to have a small presentation soon - see u all next time :) | 07:42 |
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| jpich | good luck ianychoi | 07:42 |
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| ianychoi | Auf Wiedersehn, eumel8 | 07:42 |
| ianychoi | jpich, thank u :) | 07:42 |
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| eumel8 | cu ianychoi :) | 07:43 |
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| eumel8 | ... he's learning German - it comes better then better ... | 07:43 |
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| jpich | :) | 07:44 |
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| eumel8 | so, it's time to continue to work if there are no topics anymore | 07:49 |
| eumel8 | jpich: have a nice day and see you again :) | 07:49 |
| jpich | thanks eumel8, you too! | 07:49 |
| eumel8 | #endmeeting | 07:50 |
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| eumel8 | :) | 07:50 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Oct 19 07:50:31 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 07:50 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2017/openstack_i18n_meeting.2017-10-19-07.00.html | 07:50 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2017/openstack_i18n_meeting.2017-10-19-07.00.txt | 07:50 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2017/openstack_i18n_meeting.2017-10-19-07.00.log.html | 07:50 |
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| gmann | #startmeeting qa | 07:59 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Oct 19 07:59:03 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gmann. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 07:59 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 07:59 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'qa' | 07:59 |
| gmann | who all here today? | 07:59 |
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| apart | Hi | 08:00 |
| gmann | apart: hi | 08:00 |
| masayukig | o/ | 08:00 |
| martinkopec | o/, hi | 08:00 |
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| gmann | let's start | 08:01 |
| gmann | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/QATeamMeeting#Agenda_for_October_19th_2017_.280800_UTC.29 | 08:01 |
| gmann | today agenda ^^ | 08:01 |
| gmann | #topic Previous Meeting Action review | 08:02 |
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| gmann | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2017/qa.2017-10-12-17.00.html | 08:02 |
| gmann | 1 AI from last meeting | 08:03 |
| gmann | 2 AI | 08:03 |
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| gmann | 1. andreaf prepare a patch for test.py release notes and docs | 08:03 |
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| gmann | i did not see the patch may be andreaf ll post soon | 08:04 |
| gmann | as object service clietns are mvoed to lib now test.py is good to be declared as stable | 08:04 |
| gmann | 2 andreaf send email about office hours in ~ UTC afternoon to replace this meeting | 08:04 |
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| gmann | i am not sure about this, may be andreaf proposal is to cancel 17UTC meeting in favor office hour ? | 08:05 |
| gmann | but need to check with him | 08:06 |
| gmann | #topic Forum Topics for Sydney Summit | 08:06 |
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| gmann | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/qa-sydney-forum-topics | 08:06 |
| gmann | forum schedule is out now | 08:06 |
| gmann | we have ~3 sessions on QA related | 08:06 |
| gmann | ~2 weeks to go for sydney | 08:07 |
| gmann | apart: will you be able to join summit ? | 08:07 |
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| apart | This time no, for private reason:( | 08:08 |
| gmann | ohk | 08:08 |
| gmann | #topic QA onboarding | 08:08 |
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| gmann | we have 40 min slot this time | 08:08 |
| gmann | Monday 4.40 PM | 08:09 |
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| gmann | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/SYD-forum-QA-onboarding | 08:09 |
| gmann | i created ^^ etherpad for topic collection | 08:09 |
| masayukig | gmann: ++ cool :) | 08:09 |
| gmann | we can have first half of sessions for education and second half for question from audience | 08:10 |
| gmann | so that people can ask whatever that want | 08:10 |
| masayukig | gmann: yeah, it sounds nice | 08:10 |
| gmann | please add topic we should cover in this | 08:10 |
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| gmann | masayukig: main thing is first half and what exactly we should cover in that | 08:11 |
| gmann | let's collect the topic first and then we can select | 08:11 |
| masayukig | gmann: yeah | 08:12 |
| gmann | #topic Office Hours Summary | 08:13 |
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| gmann | we had first office hour and did bug triage | 08:13 |
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| gmann | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-October/123520.html | 08:14 |
| gmann | summary report mail | 08:14 |
| masayukig | gmann: yeah, I think it was a productive hour | 08:14 |
| gmann | yea, it will help to keep eyes on critical or high priority bugs | 08:14 |
| apart | Yes, the discussion lasts more than two hours | 08:14 |
| masayukig | heh | 08:15 |
| gmann | #topic Tempest | 08:15 |
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| gmann | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/tempest+status:open | 08:15 |
| gmann | all open reviews ^^ | 08:15 |
| gmann | Test.py to be stable: now it is all good to go | 08:16 |
| gmann | and after that we nee to release the tempest to make new lib interface available in new version | 08:16 |
| gmann | next is Zuul V3 patches | 08:17 |
| gmann | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/tempest+branch:master+topic:zuulv3-tempest | 08:17 |
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| gmann | we need to review these patches. i am targeting those during weekend | 08:17 |
| gmann | but currently those are zuul failing | 08:18 |
| gmann | anything else on tempest ? | 08:18 |
| * masayukig will put the zuul v3 patches on my list | 08:19 | |
| gmann | moving next | 08:20 |
| gmann | #topic Critical Reviews | 08:20 |
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| gmann | any critical review in any of your list | 08:20 |
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| gmann | #topic Open Discussion | 08:21 |
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| gmann | anything else to discuss? | 08:21 |
| gmann | masayukig: pointed out the sanity job false passing | 08:21 |
| gmann | masayukig: i doubt it was after moving to tox env ? | 08:22 |
| gmann | so we have to do 2 things on that. | 08:22 |
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| gmann | 1. to make it fail when there is failure on script | 08:22 |
| masayukig | gmann: I actually didn't put my eye on it in detail.. | 08:23 |
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| gmann | 2. fix the failure by mention the required_projects in zuul v3 | 08:23 |
| masayukig | gmann: yeah, totally agree with them | 08:23 |
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| gmann | zuul-cloner would not work any more | 08:24 |
| gmann | let me check or ll ping chandankumar if he can fix. | 08:24 |
| gmann | anything else to discuss or we can close the meeting. | 08:25 |
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| masayukig | woo, what a very quick meeting | 08:25 |
| gmann | yea | 08:26 |
| gmann | masayukig: next meeting of 8 UTC will be on 2nd | 08:26 |
| apart | :) | 08:26 |
| gmann | i will be traveling on 2nd for sydney | 08:26 |
| gmann | how about you? | 08:26 |
| masayukig | gmann: Mine is Saturday evening | 08:27 |
| gmann | ohk | 08:27 |
| gmann | we will have office hour before that, we can discuss there about next meeting | 08:27 |
| gmann | thanks all for joining | 08:27 |
| gmann | #endmeeting | 08:28 |
| masayukig | gmann: ok :) | 08:28 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Oct 19 08:28:05 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 08:28 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2017/qa.2017-10-19-07.59.html | 08:28 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2017/qa.2017-10-19-07.59.txt | 08:28 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2017/qa.2017-10-19-07.59.log.html | 08:28 |
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| mriedem | #startmeeting nova | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Oct 19 14:00:43 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mriedem. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova' | 14:00 |
| mriedem | hi | 14:00 |
| dansmith | o/ | 14:00 |
| gibi | o/ | 14:00 |
| takashin | o/ | 14:00 |
| efried | &/ | 14:00 |
| alex_xu | o/ | 14:01 |
| gmann | o/ | 14:01 |
| edleafe | \o | 14:01 |
| tssurya | o/ | 14:01 |
| mriedem | ok let's get started | 14:01 |
| mriedem | #link agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Nova#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 14:01 |
| bauzas | _o | 14:01 |
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| bauzas | \o even | 14:01 |
| mriedem | #topic release news | 14:01 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to "release news (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:01 | |
| mriedem | #link Queens release schedule: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/Queens_Release_Schedule | 14:02 |
| mriedem | #info Oct 19: q-1 milestone, nova spec freeze (today) | 14:02 |
| cdent | …..\o | 14:02 |
| mriedem | i know people are still going through some spec reviews | 14:02 |
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| mriedem | #info Blueprints: 63 targeted, 42 approved, 1 complete | 14:02 |
| mriedem | questions about the release? | 14:02 |
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| mriedem | #topic bugs | 14:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "bugs (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:03 | |
| mriedem | nothing marked critical | 14:03 |
| mriedem | #info 16 new untriaged bugs (up 5 from last week) | 14:03 |
| mriedem | gate status appears to be ok | 14:03 |
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| mriedem | zuulv3 issues seem to be under control | 14:03 |
| mriedem | 3rd party ci, no news really | 14:03 |
| mriedem | for CI there was one thing i wanted to mention, | 14:04 |
| mriedem | the grenade live migration job has been broken since we switched over to queens, | 14:04 |
| mriedem | because of some ceph setup stuff with singleconductor mode in the grenade jobs, | 14:04 |
| mriedem | i thought it would be a relatively easy fix https://review.openstack.org/#/c/508271 | 14:04 |
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| mriedem | it might still be, but i haven't had the time to poke at this ^ | 14:04 |
| mriedem | so if someone wants to help me out it'd be appreciated | 14:05 |
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| mriedem | really all that's left is sourcing the localrc that grenade creates so the scripts can get to the devstack variables | 14:05 |
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| mriedem | the alternative is not running with ceph-backed ephemeral storage for the grenade live migration job, but that is a pity | 14:05 |
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| mriedem | right now we're just running block storage | 14:06 |
| johnthetubaguy | just saw nfs was still commented out :( | 14:06 |
| mriedem | #help mriedem is looking for someone to help poke at fixing the grenade live migration job https://review.openstack.org/#/c/508271/ | 14:06 |
| mriedem | yeah, NFS | 14:06 |
| mriedem | psh | 14:06 |
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| mriedem | moving on | 14:06 |
| mriedem | #topic reminders | 14:07 |
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| mriedem | Forum topics have been reviewed and the summit schedule is available. Start working on Forum session discussion etherpads and presentations. https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Forum/Sydney2017 | 14:07 |
| mriedem | some of the forum sessions are under my name since i submitted them but i'll probably look to offload some of that to others... | 14:07 |
| mriedem | anything to discuss about the forum | 14:08 |
| mriedem | ? | 14:08 |
| cdent | do we know if jay’s going to be there? otherwise I can probably moderate the placement one if mriedem doesn’t want to. | 14:08 |
| mriedem | he will not be there | 14:08 |
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| dansmith | I'll be there and present for placement | 14:08 |
| mriedem | we had talked about doing a call next week or some point before the forum, | 14:09 |
| mriedem | to cover some content with jay | 14:09 |
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| mriedem | will keep you in the look chris | 14:09 |
| mriedem | *loop | 14:09 |
| cdent | thanks | 14:09 |
| bauzas | oh sad for jay | 14:09 |
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| bauzas | I can help of course | 14:09 |
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| mriedem | #topic stable branch status | 14:09 |
| bauzas | but let's leave cdent or dansmith for that :) | 14:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "stable branch status (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:09 | |
| mriedem | #link stable/pike: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:stable/pike,n,z | 14:10 |
| mriedem | #link Etherpad for bugs tracked for Pike backports: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nova-pike-bug-fix-backports | 14:10 |
| mriedem | there is one more pike thing i wanted to get merged before a release | 14:10 |
| mriedem | dansmith: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/513198/ | 14:10 |
| dansmith | mriedem: was literally just doing it | 14:10 |
| mriedem | yay | 14:10 |
| mriedem | there is other stuff in pike but it can wait for the 16.0.3 | 14:11 |
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| mriedem | #link stable/ocata: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:stable/ocata,n,z | 14:11 |
| mriedem | not much activity there right now as ocata is the middle child of the stable releases | 14:11 |
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| mriedem | and therefore gets the least amount of attention | 14:11 |
| jaypipes | mriedem: happy to do that. still also working on some more articles. | 14:11 |
| mriedem | #link stable/newton: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:stable/newton,n,z | 14:11 |
| mriedem | newton is flushed | 14:12 |
| mriedem | #info Oct 18 : stable/newton branches get tagged EOL: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/512905/ | 14:12 |
| mriedem | today is newton eol | 14:12 |
| mriedem | ^ is the last release request | 14:12 |
| bauzas | wow | 14:12 |
| bauzas | time flies | 14:12 |
| mriedem | #topic subteam highlights | 14:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "subteam highlights (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:12 | |
| mriedem | dansmith: no cells meeting but want to mention anything? | 14:12 |
| dansmith | not really, just that edleafe's set needs the most attention I think | 14:13 |
| dansmith | the buildrequests patch of mine second to that, | 14:13 |
| dansmith | I think it just needs one more | 14:13 |
| dansmith | but otherwise I think we're in good shape | 14:13 |
| mriedem | ok. i said i'd review alternate hosts this week, but stable and spec freeze so... | 14:13 |
| mriedem | maybe tomorrow | 14:13 |
| mriedem | edleafe: scheduler highlights? | 14:14 |
| edleafe | We discussed the lull in the Nested RP series while Jay was on vacation, and whether or not it would be a good thing to have more than one person involved in major efforts like this. | 14:14 |
| edleafe | The other patch series all seem to be moving ahead without issue. | 14:14 |
| edleafe | We also discussed the possibility of a "recovery mode" for self-healing when the placement data gets severely out of sync with reality. | 14:14 |
| edleafe | That's it. | 14:14 |
| mriedem | along the lines, i thought the other night about writing something in nova-manage that could give a report of what placement says your allocations are and what we think they should be | 14:14 |
| mriedem | to detect if we're leaking anywhere | 14:15 |
| mriedem | but...just a thought | 14:15 |
| jaypipes | edleafe: have we seen the placement data get severely out of sync with reality? | 14:15 |
| edleafe | jaypipes: no, but the use case was that the db gets whacked | 14:15 |
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| edleafe | or something similar | 14:15 |
| mriedem | we said in the meeting if the db gets dropped it's not really on nova | 14:15 |
| mriedem | i was more concerned with leaks because of the numerous bugs we've had about cleaning up allocations on failed moves | 14:16 |
| cdent | jaypipes: the reason I initially brought it up was in the case that the db got _deliberately_ wacked and state reset was required, using base reality (the compute nodes themselves). It was speculative talk. | 14:16 |
| dansmith | jaypipes: we have seen it get out of sync when we have a bug and then need patching up, which I think is likely | 14:16 |
| mriedem | oh yeah, which reminds me about a post-script for the ci jobs to dump allocations from placement to see if we're leaking anything, which depends on the osc plugin, which still needs review | 14:16 |
| dansmith | jaypipes: I think we do need the ability to fix those holes somehow, but it's going to be pretty intense I think | 14:17 |
| mriedem | cdent: and because the RT no longer auto-heals allocations right? | 14:17 |
| mriedem | ^ is part of the reason | 14:17 |
| jaypipes | dansmith: well, that "use case" is around 85% of the code in the resource_tracker.py file currently ;) | 14:17 |
| dansmith | I don't think the whole db getting killed is a good example, personally | 14:17 |
| jaypipes | dansmith: so it wouldn't be a new use case... | 14:17 |
| jaypipes | but sure, cool with me. | 14:17 |
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| mriedem | alright, moving on | 14:18 |
| mriedem | alex_xu: api meeting highlights? | 14:18 |
| alex_xu | Talk about the spec https://review.openstack.org/#/c/508101/ - "Spec for API extensions policy removal", decided that the spec is only about deprecating the policy rule which have non-admin default rule. | 14:18 |
| alex_xu | that's it | 14:18 |
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| mriedem | so i haven't gone through that yet, but i assume it's for deprecating policy rules on things like BDMs in a server create request yeah? | 14:19 |
| mriedem | like, we don't actually expect anyone ever to disable being able to do BDMs in a POST /servers request at this point | 14:19 |
| gmann | mriedem: for attributes in response. | 14:19 |
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| mriedem | ok | 14:20 |
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| alex_xu | yea, for those extended server attributes | 14:20 |
| gmann | mainly when API add attributes in Show list detail server response | 14:20 |
| mriedem | if i can't get my accessIPs in my server response, i'll be so mad | 14:20 |
| * mriedem still doesn't know what access IPs are used for | 14:20 | |
| * bauzas needs to disappear for 20 mins | 14:20 | |
| mriedem | ok moving on | 14:21 |
| mriedem | now that bauzas is gone... | 14:21 |
| mriedem | gibi: notifications? | 14:21 |
| gibi | really short meeting | 14:21 |
| gibi | no real progress last week | 14:21 |
| gibi | and today bp service-create-destroy-notification | 14:21 |
| gibi | has been merged | 14:21 |
| gibi | no meeting next week as I will be on vacation on Monday Tuesday | 14:22 |
| gibi | that is all | 14:22 |
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| mriedem | gibi: speaking of that spec, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/444731/ - i don't know if the author still plans on working on it, you might want to reach out in case you're interested in picking it up | 14:22 |
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| mriedem | you might not be though | 14:22 |
| mriedem | could be good for anyone new looking to work on something too | 14:22 |
| gibi | mriedem: I will try to catch the author | 14:22 |
| mriedem | ok last thing, | 14:22 |
| mriedem | cinder updates | 14:22 |
| mriedem | ildikov needs to update the multiattach spec, | 14:23 |
| mriedem | there was a patch split out of the refresh_connection_info changes https://review.openstack.org/#/c/512626/ | 14:23 |
| mriedem | johnthetubaguy: ^ should be easy | 14:23 |
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| mriedem | would +2 but i added the test | 14:23 |
| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: will have a peak at that topic again | 14:23 |
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| mriedem | stvnoyes updated the live migration patch, i ran CI again on that last night and it looks happy, just about to confirm and then will +2 | 14:23 |
| mriedem | otherwise we're waiting on cinder changes starting here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/510201/ | 14:24 |
| mriedem | #topic stuck reviews | 14:24 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "stuck reviews (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:24 | |
| mriedem | nothing on the agenda | 14:24 |
| mriedem | anyone have something to mention? | 14:24 |
| mriedem | #topic open discussion | 14:24 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:24 | |
| jaypipes | mriedem: we have a priority review list for specs last day today? | 14:24 |
| mriedem | nothing on the agenda, so i'll open it up | 14:24 |
| mriedem | jaypipes: no | 14:25 |
| mriedem | jaypipes: check your email, i sent you the ones i've been watching | 14:25 |
| mriedem | but that's it | 14:25 |
| jaypipes | mriedem: kk | 14:25 |
| * jaypipes checks 800+ unread emails | 14:25 | |
| mriedem | per usual, we're already over committed for the release so not everything is going to make it, and i don't expect spec freeze exceptions | 14:25 |
| mriedem | ok anything else? | 14:26 |
| mriedem | alright thanks everyone | 14:26 |
| mriedem | #endmeeting | 14:26 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 14:26 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Oct 19 14:26:34 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:26 |
| jaypipes | ciao | 14:26 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2017/nova.2017-10-19-14.00.html | 14:26 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2017/nova.2017-10-19-14.00.txt | 14:26 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2017/nova.2017-10-19-14.00.log.html | 14:26 |
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| pkovar | #startmeeting docteam | 16:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Oct 19 16:01:09 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is pkovar. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 16:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'docteam' | 16:01 |
| pkovar | welcome to the docs team meeting | 16:01 |
| eumel8 | welcome too :) | 16:01 |
| mguiney | o/ | 16:01 |
| pkovar | \o | 16:02 |
| pkovar | meeting agenda can be found at https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/DocTeamMeeting | 16:02 |
| bsilverman | \o | 16:03 |
| pkovar | let's start in 3 mins | 16:03 |
| jamesmcarthur | \o | 16:03 |
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| dhellmann | o/ | 16:04 |
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| pkovar | okay, let's get started | 16:06 |
| pkovar | #topic Docs meeting time? | 16:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Docs meeting time? (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 16:06 | |
| pkovar | Chason pointed out in the docs ml that the meeting time is not very asia-friendly | 16:06 |
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| pkovar | what are people's thought on changing the meeting time? | 16:07 |
| pkovar | closer to noon UTC | 16:07 |
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| pkovar | (that might make the time less friendly for the us, though) | 16:07 |
| bsilverman | that's 5am here | 16:08 |
| bsilverman | and 5am in California | 16:08 |
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| pkovar | yeah, that wouldn't worl | 16:08 |
| pkovar | work, even | 16:08 |
| pkovar | alternatively, we could rotate between us-friendly and asia-friendly | 16:08 |
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| jamesmcarthur | I've found that alternating ends up with one set of people on one meeting and another on the other. | 16:09 |
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| pkovar | good point | 16:10 |
| pkovar | anyone in this mtg in favor of changing the mtg time? | 16:10 |
| pkovar | probably not the right audience to ask that Q, but anyway :) | 16:10 |
| dhellmann | we could also try to do more coordination via the mailing list | 16:11 |
| pkovar | I'll start sending meeting minutes to ML | 16:11 |
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| dhellmann | ++ | 16:12 |
| jamesmcarthur | We could do 12:00 UTC | 16:12 |
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| jamesmcarthur | Which is 7am Beijing and 6pm Central | 16:12 |
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| jamesmcarthur | oh sorry | 16:12 |
| jamesmcarthur | that was terrible time reading on my part | 16:12 |
| dhellmann | I think that's 7:00 central? | 16:12 |
| dhellmann | it's 8:00 EST | 16:13 |
| bsilverman | and 5am MST/MDT | 16:13 |
| pkovar | yep, too early | 16:13 |
| jamesmcarthur | I was looking at midnight. Seriously ignore me. On first cup of coffee :| | 16:14 |
| dhellmann | 6 MST, but yeah | 16:14 |
| pkovar | still, i think i'll initiate a poll re: meeting time so that we get a better idea wrt how many ppl would be interested in an earlier time | 16:14 |
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| jamesmcarthur | +1 | 16:14 |
| bsilverman | dhellmann: Nope, right now we're 3 hours behind EST | 16:14 |
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| dhellmann | get with the program, MST! | 16:14 |
| eumel8 | rotating time slots would be better as a bad timeslot for everyone | 16:14 |
| pkovar | good point | 16:15 |
| pkovar | #action pkovar to initiate a mtg time poll | 16:16 |
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| pkovar | any other ideas wrt mtg time? | 16:16 |
| dhellmann | I haven't attended a lot of doc team meetings. What sort of conversations happen in the meeting that can't happen asynchronously? | 16:17 |
| eumel8 | decisions? | 16:17 |
| pkovar | it's mostly just summarizing what happened in past two weeks | 16:18 |
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| pkovar | or that | 16:18 |
| pkovar | if there's enough ppl attending | 16:18 |
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| dhellmann | ok. maybe by emphasizing the use of the mailing list for those decisions we can alleviate the issues with meeting time and make rotating meetings successful (or drop them entirely) | 16:19 |
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| dhellmann | publishing status messages to the mailing list will also make the work this team is doing more visible outside the team, which will help with recruiting and getting input from other people | 16:20 |
| dhellmann | that's the primary reason I suggested moving to the -dev list instead of a separate -docs list | 16:20 |
| * dhellmann wishes that was the -contrib list instead of -dev, but that ship has sailed | 16:20 | |
| pkovar | feel free to resurrect that thread about retiring the docs ml | 16:21 |
| eumel8 | interesting | 16:21 |
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| jamesmcarthur | yeah, i inadvertently posted to the docs list a couple of weeks ago. Didn't realize it was deprecated. | 16:22 |
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| jamesmcarthur | Would be good to just remove it if it's not in use. | 16:22 |
| pkovar | though i hope it is possible to decommission a ml without losing archives, for example | 16:22 |
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| dhellmann | you should be able to have the moderator turn off anyone's ability to post or join without deleting the list | 16:22 |
| pkovar | #info reconsider removing the docs ML | 16:23 |
| pkovar | good to know | 16:23 |
| pkovar | #info decisions to be made in ML (-dev, preferably) | 16:23 |
| dhellmann | according to http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-docs pkovar and asettle are the list admins | 16:23 |
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| pkovar | #info consider sending status updates | 16:24 |
| pkovar | good, i'll have a look around the mailman admin. love the interface, btw :) | 16:25 |
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| pkovar | ready to move on? | 16:25 |
| dhellmann | ++ | 16:26 |
| pkovar | next topic is... | 16:26 |
| pkovar | #topic Docs team vision document | 16:26 |
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| pkovar | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/docs-i18n-ptg-queens-mission-statement | 16:26 |
| pkovar | that's the draft edited by jamesmcarthur, thank you | 16:26 |
| jamesmcarthur | happy to help! | 16:27 |
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| pkovar | unless there are objections, i'll submit it to be included in https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/docs-i18n-ptg-queens-mission-statement | 16:27 |
| dhellmann | yes, big thanks! | 16:27 |
| pkovar | sorry, i meant the doc contrib guide | 16:27 |
| dhellmann | either there or specs makes sense to me | 16:27 |
| pkovar | https://docs.openstack.org/doc-contrib-guide/ | 16:27 |
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| pkovar | what would the folks prefer? specs or doc contrib guide? | 16:28 |
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| pkovar | looks like nobody has a strong opinion :) | 16:29 |
| bsilverman | contib guide | 16:29 |
| bsilverman | contrib | 16:29 |
| jamesmcarthur | Doc contributor guide | 16:29 |
| eumel8 | + | 16:29 |
| pkovar | good, good | 16:30 |
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| pkovar | #action pkovar to add the vision doc to doc contrib guide | 16:30 |
| pkovar | anything else? | 16:31 |
| pkovar | next topic is | 16:31 |
| pkovar | #topic Docs retention policy changes | 16:31 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Docs retention policy changes (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 16:31 | |
| pkovar | We've just approved this spec. Thanks dhellmann for putting this together! | 16:31 |
| pkovar | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/507629 | 16:31 |
| dhellmann | weird, I don't see that on specs.o.o | 16:32 |
| dhellmann | looks like we need to trigger a republish in that repo | 16:32 |
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| pkovar | hm, will submitting a trivial change do? | 16:33 |
| dhellmann | I've signed up to do the mitaka work, and I hope to at least start that before the summit in a couple of weeks | 16:33 |
| dhellmann | pkovar: yes | 16:33 |
| pkovar | will try to find a typo or something :) | 16:33 |
| pkovar | now, the spec calls for action wrt badges which is something jamesmcarthur has been looking into | 16:33 |
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| jamesmcarthur | si | 16:34 |
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| pkovar | badges to clearly identify outdated unsupported content | 16:34 |
| jamesmcarthur | I'd like to partner up with someone b/c there are some programming questions I have. | 16:34 |
| pkovar | or having a number of different badges to identify different content statuses? | 16:34 |
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| jamesmcarthur | pkovar: right that was dhellman's idea | 16:34 |
| dhellmann | jamesmcarthur : you'll also want something like https://review.openstack.org/#/c/491868/ so the series name can be derived by the theme | 16:35 |
| jamesmcarthur | And I think it's doable | 16:35 |
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| dhellmann | I can give you advice and code reviews | 16:35 |
| jamesmcarthur | dhellman: thanks! My goal is to have this in ahead of Sydney. But I'm pretty buried with other Foundation work. | 16:36 |
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| dhellmann | that's fairly ambitious, but we can get it started | 16:36 |
| pkovar | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/491868/ to derive series name by the theme | 16:36 |
| dhellmann | we also need to figure out how to apply the new theme to older doc builds | 16:36 |
| dhellmann | we should coordinate with tonyb and the stable team to make sure they aren't planning to close any stable branches before we can add the badges to the docs produced from them | 16:37 |
| jamesmcarthur | got it | 16:38 |
| dhellmann | let's start an etherpad to track all these little details | 16:39 |
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| pkovar | #info coordinate with tonyb and the stable team to avoid closing stable branches before adding badges to docs | 16:39 |
| jamesmcarthur | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/docs-i18n-ptg-queens-release-badges | 16:40 |
| dhellmann | ++ | 16:40 |
| pkovar | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/docs-i18n-ptg-queens-release-badges | 16:40 |
| pkovar | #chair jamesmcarthur dhellmann | 16:41 |
| openstack | Current chairs: dhellmann jamesmcarthur pkovar | 16:41 |
| * dhellmann cackles maniacally | 16:41 | |
| dhellmann | I don't think chair privs are needed to #info, I'm just out of practice | 16:41 |
| pkovar | good to know! | 16:42 |
| jamesmcarthur | Did I just make some sort of pact? | 16:42 |
| jamesmcarthur | I'm nervous. | 16:42 |
| pkovar | but it doesn't hurt either | 16:42 |
| dhellmann | sure | 16:42 |
| pkovar | i like democracy, err, i mean meritocracy | 16:42 |
| pkovar | anyhow | 16:42 |
| dhellmann | do-ocracy | 16:42 |
| pkovar | or that | 16:43 |
| pkovar | next topic? | 16:43 |
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| pkovar | #topic Contributor Portal | 16:43 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Contributor Portal (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 16:43 | |
| pkovar | A new specialty team led by thingee | 16:43 |
| pkovar | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-October/123740.html | 16:44 |
| pkovar | there are three different resources with similar names: | 16:44 |
| pkovar | Contributor Portal | 16:44 |
| pkovar | #link https://www.openstack.org/community/ | 16:44 |
| pkovar | Contributor Guide | 16:44 |
| pkovar | #link https://docs.openstack.org/contributors | 16:45 |
| pkovar | Documentation Contributor Guide | 16:45 |
| pkovar | #link https://docs.openstack.org/doc-contrib-guide/ | 16:45 |
| pkovar | just that you know | 16:45 |
| eumel8 | specialty ... ok | 16:45 |
| pkovar | details in thingee's mail | 16:45 |
| pkovar | linked above | 16:45 |
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| pkovar | is that an americanism? i dunno | 16:46 |
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| dhellmann | maybe? "specialist" might be a better form of the word for that case | 16:46 |
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| eumel8 | 2 years in OpenStack Community and now I'm a specialty ;) | 16:47 |
| pkovar | /me nods | 16:47 |
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| dhellmann | all our contributors are special, eumel8 :-) | 16:47 |
| pkovar | 12 mins, lets move on | 16:47 |
| pkovar | #topic sitemap automation suggestions | 16:47 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "sitemap automation suggestions (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 16:47 | |
| pkovar | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-October/123228.html | 16:47 |
| eumel8 | thats true, dhellmann :) | 16:47 |
| pkovar | i think this thread is still open for suggestions | 16:48 |
| pkovar | re scope etc. | 16:48 |
| dhellmann | we should figure out what exactly we want to have included in the sitemap | 16:48 |
| dhellmann | because it seems like we could generate that as part of publishing, instead of crawling the site later | 16:48 |
| jamesmcarthur | yeah, that's another option. We just need something to trigger it. | 16:49 |
| dhellmann | I'm not sure about logging the missing pages or redirects; that's probably better done by crawling but I don't know what we'd do with the results | 16:49 |
| dhellmann | the sitemap file format isn't that complicated. we could have a sphinx extension generate it for most cases and extend the template generator to handle the non-sphinx pages | 16:49 |
| jamesmcarthur | dhellman: the point of that is to start putting in the appropriate redirects and making sure those pages are removed from sitemap | 16:49 |
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| dhellmann | ah | 16:50 |
| dhellmann | how much content do we publish that isn't managed by sphinx? | 16:50 |
| jamesmcarthur | I suggested Google Webmaster tools b/c they used to do that for you. But it was so useful Google took it away. | 16:50 |
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| dhellmann | if it's a lot, maybe that's why a separate scraping tool was used? | 16:50 |
| jamesmcarthur | dhellman: not sure. I would love to get some history behind using scrapy. | 16:51 |
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| dhellmann | I'm skeptical of anything that requires a person to sit down and do the work by hand | 16:51 |
| * mguiney nods | 16:51 | |
| jamesmcarthur | +1. Anything we do should be automated. | 16:52 |
| thingee | o/ | 16:52 |
| jamesmcarthur | BUT, I think initially we're going to have a lot of cleanup to do and it might take some manual intervention. | 16:52 |
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| dhellmann | do we have pages in our sitemap that are 404s? | 16:52 |
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| dhellmann | I mean, initially we'll have to do work by hand, but we need to be doing that as part of automating things | 16:53 |
| jamesmcarthur | We have lots of indexed pages that are 404s. | 16:53 |
| dhellmann | that's not the same thing, though, right? | 16:53 |
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| jamesmcarthur | correct. just another piece of the puzzle. | 16:54 |
| dhellmann | sure. so infra has a list of 404 responses on docs.o.o now showing us pages that people are actually visiting | 16:54 |
| dhellmann | and google may have a list of indexed 404 pages somewhere | 16:54 |
| dhellmann | and we can build the sitemap based on files we know we're actually publishing | 16:54 |
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| dhellmann | dealing with the first 2 of those is separate from the third | 16:54 |
| dhellmann | at least it seems like it | 16:54 |
| jamesmcarthur | yes, agreed | 16:54 |
| dhellmann | which is most important? | 16:55 |
| dhellmann | and which is "easiest"? :-) | 16:55 |
| jamesmcarthur | from a Docs team management perspective, it seems the most important is getting the sitemap automated. And likely the easiest. | 16:55 |
| dhellmann | do we have someone who wants to work on that? | 16:56 |
| jamesmcarthur | mguiney has volunteered (i think) :) | 16:56 |
| mguiney | yup! | 16:56 |
| dhellmann | yay! | 16:56 |
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| mguiney | i would love to work on that, theres a couple of good cleanups that should be pretty easy to do, given the cycles (which i happen to have) | 16:57 |
| pkovar | #action mguiney volunteered to help with sitemap automation, thanks | 16:57 |
| dhellmann | so if we narrow the focus just to how we generate site maps, what's the next thing to do? | 16:57 |
| mguiney | I believe it would be to get it running automatically | 16:58 |
| dhellmann | "it"? | 16:58 |
| mguiney | the current utility set | 16:58 |
| pkovar | folks, do you want to move the conversation to #openstack-doc? | 16:58 |
| dhellmann | is that the best tool for the job? | 16:59 |
| mguiney | oh dang. hour is up | 16:59 |
| dhellmann | oh, sure, it's the top of the hour | 16:59 |
| pkovar | yep | 16:59 |
| pkovar | thank you :) | 16:59 |
| mguiney | sure | 16:59 |
| pkovar | the renaming topics from https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/DocTeamMeeting | 16:59 |
| pkovar | we can discuss next time | 16:59 |
| pkovar | thanks, everybody | 16:59 |
| pkovar | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Oct 19 17:00:10 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2017/docteam.2017-10-19-16.01.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2017/docteam.2017-10-19-16.01.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2017/docteam.2017-10-19-16.01.log.html | 17:00 |
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| bsilverman | o/ | 17:01 |
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| mlavalle | #startmeeting neutron_drivers | 22:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Oct 19 22:00:05 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mlavalle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 22:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 22:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_drivers' | 22:00 |
| yamamoto | morning | 22:00 |
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| mlavalle | good Friday morning Yamamoto, from Thursday evening :-) | 22:00 |
| mlavalle | armax said that he is not going to make it today | 22:01 |
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| mlavalle | amotoki, ihrachys: ping | 22:02 |
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| * mlavalle checking if got email from ihrachys or amotoki | 22:03 | |
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| mlavalle | nope | 22:03 |
| mlavalle | let's give them a couple of minutes | 22:03 |
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| mlavalle | yamamoto: I went through all the triaged RFEs and saw that you left comments in a lot of them | 22:05 |
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| mlavalle | I commented on the one about adding segment_id to subnets | 22:06 |
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| mlavalle | yamamoto: I wanted to start the meeting today with the last RFE: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1718605 | 22:10 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1718605 in neutron "[RFE] Support regex matching when filtering port with IP address" [Wishlist,Triaged] - Assigned to Zhenyu Zheng (zhengzhenyu) | 22:10 |
| mlavalle | The reason is that we have a volunteer who wants to do the work in Neutron and Nova | 22:11 |
| mlavalle | he pinged me a couple of days ago, because Nova's feature freeze is today | 22:11 |
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| mlavalle | so he wants to know if he can move ahead. On the Nova side, mriedem supports this RFE | 22:12 |
| yamamoto | i haven't read it yet. i was assuming the list is ordered. :-) | 22:12 |
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| mlavalle | yamamoto: it is, I am making an exception given the Nova feature freeze | 22:12 |
| mlavalle | would you take a look and tell me what you think? | 22:12 |
| mriedem | nova has already approved the nova spec | 22:13 |
| mriedem | it's assumed the neutron RFE will be approved - if not, we go back to the drawing board | 22:13 |
| mriedem | the neutron RFE might be useful regardless of the nova need for it | 22:13 |
| mlavalle | yeah, I agree and armax indicated he supports it | 22:14 |
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| yamamoto | i suspect SQL LIKE and python regex are incompatible | 22:15 |
| mriedem | the reason nova can't do a regex filter on IPs, | 22:16 |
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| mriedem | is because nova stores those in a serialized json blob in the db | 22:16 |
| mriedem | so we have to pull the instances and then filter via regex in python, | 22:16 |
| mriedem | once we have deserialized the json | 22:16 |
| mriedem | hence the performance issue | 22:16 |
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| mriedem | so depending on how IP values are stored in the neutron db, you could use LIKE | 22:16 |
| mriedem | but yeah things like ^192.[foobars]+$ probably not :) | 22:17 |
| mriedem | i'd have to see what nova actually allows for the filter | 22:17 |
| mriedem | https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/api/validation/parameter_types.py#L51 | 22:18 |
| mriedem | i guess we allow a regex | 22:18 |
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| yamamoto | so, the rfe is about 1. allow the same set of regex as nova and 2. optimize the common case using SQL LIKE, fallback to python regex for complex cases? | 22:21 |
| mriedem | that's unclear | 22:21 |
| mriedem | so probably requires some thought | 22:22 |
| mriedem | i thought we did a substring match, | 22:22 |
| mriedem | not a full regex compare | 22:22 |
| mriedem | this is where the nova code happens https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/compute/api.py#L2318 | 22:23 |
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| mriedem | and apply it https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/compute/api.py#L2468 | 22:23 |
| yamamoto | i've always considered ip addresses stored as strings a bug in neutron. it's surprising it can be useful. :-) | 22:23 |
| mriedem | the compute API reference doesn't say anything about valid forms of the regex | 22:24 |
| mriedem | it just says, "An IPv4 address to filter results by." | 22:24 |
| mriedem | we take what's given and shove into ^%s$ | 22:24 |
| mriedem | so if you literally passed ^192.168.*$ it would turn out wrong | 22:24 |
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| mriedem | so i think it's really just a subset | 22:25 |
| mriedem | note we allow filtering on both ipv4 and ipv6 | 22:25 |
| mlavalle | yeah, it doesn't seem that it would work | 22:25 |
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| mriedem | so, | 22:27 |
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| mriedem | we could table it for now and ask operators in the ML how they use the ip filters | 22:27 |
| mriedem | and figure out limitations | 22:27 |
| mlavalle | the other thing is that it seems it is done with data in memory | 22:27 |
| mlavalle | right? | 22:27 |
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| mriedem | yes, as noted, we pull the instance records out of the database and then have to deserialize the json blob that contains the ips | 22:27 |
| mlavalle | network_info | 22:27 |
| mriedem | then we apply the python regex match on those | 22:27 |
| mriedem | which is the performance issue | 22:27 |
| mlavalle | right | 22:28 |
| mriedem | because we can't filter in sql | 22:28 |
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| mlavalle | ok, would Zhenyu follow up in the ML? | 22:29 |
| mriedem | if you tell him to sure :) | 22:29 |
| mriedem | i assume you guys reply in the RFE bug report with next steps? | 22:29 |
| mlavalle | LOL, I'll update the RFE | 22:29 |
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| mriedem | heh ok | 22:29 |
| mriedem | don't let me define your process :) | 22:29 |
| mlavalle | no, that is exactly the process | 22:30 |
| yamamoto | is the nova functionality documented in eg. api-ref? | 22:30 |
| mlavalle | mriedem: ^^^^ | 22:30 |
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| mriedem | it just says, "An IPv4 address to filter results by." | 22:31 |
| mriedem | and IPv6 | 22:31 |
| mlavalle | well, maybe some testing will be in order as well | 22:31 |
| mriedem | https://developer.openstack.org/api-ref/compute/#list-servers | 22:31 |
| mriedem | i think tempest might have a test for this, | 22:32 |
| mriedem | i know we have a functional test internally | 22:32 |
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| mriedem | https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/tests/functional/test_list_servers_ip_filter.py | 22:33 |
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| yamamoto | it tests only exact matches right? | 22:35 |
| mriedem | no | 22:35 |
| mriedem | 2 servers | 22:36 |
| mriedem | one with 10.1.1.1 and one with 10.1.1.10 | 22:36 |
| mriedem | tests that filtering by 10.1.1.1 returns both | 22:36 |
| mriedem | and filtering by 10.1.1.10 returns only 1 | 22:36 |
| mlavalle | eactly | 22:36 |
| mriedem | it's not complicated by any means | 22:36 |
| mlavalle | it's testing a substring | 22:36 |
| mriedem | and it's not passing "10.1[1234]+" | 22:36 |
| mlavalle | correct | 22:36 |
| mlavalle | not really regex | 22:36 |
| mriedem | but, i don't know if operators rely on passing a complicated regex | 22:36 |
| mriedem | i'd hope not | 22:37 |
| mriedem | i suppose you could pass a regex to do OR type filtering on IPs | 22:37 |
| mriedem | or maybe ranges of IPs? | 22:37 |
| mlavalle | yeah, I think that for the time being we can say we have no evidence that regex is possible | 22:37 |
| mlavalle | but operators might by doing it | 22:37 |
| mriedem | on option is, | 22:38 |
| mriedem | and i hate to say this, | 22:38 |
| mriedem | but neutron implements a strict substring match, | 22:38 |
| mriedem | and nova-api has a config option that either makes nova use neutron or the existing thing we have | 22:38 |
| mriedem | so if you really depend on wacky regex filtering, you don't do the faster neutron thing | 22:38 |
| mriedem | i don't like config-driven api but it's an option, | 22:38 |
| mriedem | i'd like to see what operators think about it | 22:38 |
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| mlavalle | cool | 22:39 |
| mriedem | ultimately it comes down to you guys tell us what you're willing to support | 22:39 |
| mriedem | and we'll figure out the rest | 22:39 |
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| yamamoto | why need a config? nova-api can tell if the given filter is just a subtring match or not and fallback to the old method i guess. | 22:40 |
| mriedem | i was thinking about that, | 22:41 |
| mriedem | but wasn't sure how possible it is to determine if something is a regex or not | 22:41 |
| mriedem | like, is 10.1 a valid regex? | 22:41 |
| mriedem | especially when you have ipv6 filters | 22:41 |
| mriedem | with brackets | 22:41 |
| yamamoto | i thought nova escaped "." in the code you mentioned above | 22:42 |
| mriedem | yeah it does here https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/compute/api.py#L2318 | 22:43 |
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| yamamoto | so 10.1 is just a substring match right? | 22:43 |
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| mriedem | yeah but how do we determine what isn't a substring? | 22:44 |
| yamamoto | i agree it might not be trivial in general. | 22:45 |
| mriedem | if the re module has something that tells us programmatically what the special characters are maybe that would work | 22:45 |
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| mriedem | maybe we use re.match to check the filter string :) | 22:48 |
| mriedem | should only contain numbers, dots and brackets | 22:48 |
| mriedem | so if * and - are in there it's a regex | 22:48 |
| mriedem | just an idea | 22:48 |
| mlavalle | but we still need feedback from the operators right? | 22:49 |
| mriedem | i think that would be useful | 22:49 |
| mriedem | as far as, here is the problem, | 22:49 |
| yamamoto | does ip6 filter use the same _remap_fixed_ip_filter? | 22:49 |
| mriedem | here are some options, | 22:49 |
| mriedem | what do you think | 22:49 |
| mriedem | yamamoto: looking | 22:50 |
| mlavalle | yeah, I agree in seeking feedback | 22:50 |
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| mriedem | i'm not even sure if https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/compute/api.py#L2332 is used anymore | 22:52 |
| mriedem | i'd have to dig into that | 22:52 |
| mriedem | this is what we key on https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/compute/api.py#L2362 | 22:52 |
| mriedem | https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/compute/api.py#L2468 | 22:53 |
| mriedem | and we just pull the straight filter value | 22:53 |
| mriedem | and compile it | 22:53 |
| yamamoto | yea, i was wondering why it was a substring match while it shoves into "^%s$" | 22:53 |
| mriedem | i think that is some really old code | 22:53 |
| mriedem | so with 5 minutes left on your meeting, | 22:55 |
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| mriedem | i assume next steps are updating the RFE bug, | 22:56 |
| mriedem | asking about the regex problem, | 22:56 |
| mriedem | and how that's going to work with LIKE in a SQL query in neutron | 22:56 |
| mriedem | and probably bring this up in the ops ML | 22:56 |
| mlavalle | yeah | 22:56 |
| mlavalle | ok, I will update the RFE | 22:57 |
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| mlavalle | yamamoto: despite not having quorum, we made progress :-) | 22:57 |
| mlavalle | some anyway | 22:58 |
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| yamamoto | mriedem: have you (or someone) confirmed LIKE query is that fast to make this worth to tackle? | 22:59 |
| mriedem | yamamoto: Kevin_Zheng should be POCing this and testing the difference at scale | 22:59 |
| mriedem | with 1000 instances | 22:59 |
| yamamoto | i'm not sure if we have a proper index to make it fast right now. | 22:59 |
| mriedem | maybe that would need to be considered on the neutron side, | 23:00 |
| mriedem | for the nova side, i said we'll need to gauge this based on the poc and benchmark perf results | 23:00 |
| mriedem | i think neutron should also do that before merging code | 23:00 |
| yamamoto | iirc postgres uses btree index for like queries but i'm not sure how other backends do. | 23:00 |
| yamamoto | i agree | 23:01 |
| mlavalle | yamamoto, mriedem: thanks for a lovely Thursday evening | 23:02 |
| mlavalle | #endmeeting | 23:02 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Oct 19 23:02:50 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 23:02 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2017/neutron_drivers.2017-10-19-22.00.html | 23:02 |
| yamamoto | thank you | 23:02 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2017/neutron_drivers.2017-10-19-22.00.txt | 23:02 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2017/neutron_drivers.2017-10-19-22.00.log.html | 23:02 |
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