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| hongbin | #startmeeting zun | 03:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Tue Oct 3 03:00:30 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is hongbin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 03:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 03:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'zun' | 03:00 |
| spn2 | o/ | 03:02 |
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| kiennt26 | hi everyone | 03:02 |
| hongbin | hi spn2 kiennt26 | 03:02 |
| hongbin | it looks today is chinese holiday, nobody is here | 03:02 |
| hongbin | spn2: kiennt26 i guess we can briefly share a update , then close the meeting shortly | 03:03 |
| hongbin | spn2: you have anything to update for hte clear container side? | 03:03 |
| spn2 | i am not working on the code as of now. i am setting up a demo for the presentation. | 03:04 |
| hongbin | ok | 03:04 |
| spn2 | i have around 15 machines which am using for this | 03:05 |
| hongbin | i see | 03:05 |
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| hongbin | spn2: thanks for sharing, look forward to your presentation | 03:05 |
| spn2 | thisyup | 03:05 |
| spn2 | thisyupyup | 03:05 |
| kiennt26 | hongbin: yup, due to zuulv3 migration, it's not much update last week. | 03:06 |
| kiennt26 | About the bp migrate-to-zuulv3, I will propose some patches but we need to wait for infra-team. | 03:06 |
| kiennt26 | The gate still very unstable | 03:06 |
| hongbin | kiennt26: ack, thanks for working on this bp | 03:06 |
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| hongbin | for me, i am working on lakerzhou to get the SR-IOV support ready in kuryr side | 03:06 |
| hongbin | i believe shunli is working on SR-IOV support on zun side | 03:07 |
| hongbin | then, there will be a presentation at sydney summit | 03:07 |
| hongbin | that is all from me | 03:07 |
| hongbin | all, thanks for joining the meeting | 03:07 |
| hongbin | let's have a short meeting today, see you next time | 03:08 |
| spn2 | sure thank you | 03:08 |
| hongbin | np | 03:08 |
| hongbin | #endmeeting | 03:08 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Oct 3 03:08:15 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 03:08 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zun/2017/zun.2017-10-03-03.00.html | 03:08 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zun/2017/zun.2017-10-03-03.00.txt | 03:08 |
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| tpatil | Ping, Anyone from Masakari project? | 04:02 |
| Dinesh_Bhor | yes | 04:02 |
| sagara | Hi | 04:02 |
| tpatil | Dinesh_Bhor sagara: Today Sampath won't join this meeting and also I don't see Honjo online | 04:03 |
| sagara | Let's check today's agenda | 04:04 |
| tpatil | Should I start the meeting? | 04:04 |
| sagara | tpatil: Yes, please start it | 04:05 |
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| Dinesh_Bhor | yes | 04:05 |
| Dinesh_Bhor | The agenda is not updated for todays meeting | 04:05 |
| tpatil | rkmrHonjo: Do you want to start today's meeting? | 04:05 |
| rkmrHonjo | Why? | 04:05 |
| sagara | Sampath-san won't come today | 04:06 |
| rkmrHonjo | oh. I don't have topics. | 04:06 |
| tpatil | rkmrHonjo: Today Sampath won't join this meeting | 04:06 |
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| tpatil | Let me chair today's meeting | 04:07 |
| Dinesh_Bhor | yes, please | 04:07 |
| tpatil | #startmeeting Masakari | 04:07 |
| rkmrHonjo | sorry, thanks. | 04:07 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Oct 3 04:07:13 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tpatil. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 04:07 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 04:07 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'masakari' | 04:07 |
| tpatil | #topic High Priority Items | 04:07 |
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| tpatil | Anyone has any high priority items for discussions? | 04:08 |
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| tpatil | Ok, let's move on to next topic | 04:09 |
| tpatil | #topic Bugs (stuck/critical) | 04:09 |
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| sagara | it seems no stuck/critical bugs | 04:10 |
| tpatil | Yes | 04:10 |
| tpatil | let's move on to next topic | 04:10 |
| rkmrHonjo | ok. | 04:11 |
| tpatil | #topic Discussion Points | 04:11 |
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| tpatil | Application for become OpenStack oficial project: | 04:11 |
| tpatil | # link : https://review.openstack.org/#/c/500118/ | 04:11 |
| patchbot | patch 500118 - governance - Masakari - Instances High Availability Service | 04:11 |
| tpatil | This patch is not merged yet, but there are several +2, hopefully it will be merged soon | 04:12 |
| tpatil | Install guide document | 04:12 |
| tpatil | Abhishek will use the official project templates to document installation guide. | 04:12 |
| rkmrHonjo | Takahara wrote documents about masakari-monitors. Please review it. | 04:13 |
| rkmrHonjo | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/500118/ | 04:13 |
| patchbot | patch 500118 - governance - Masakari - Instances High Availability Service | 04:13 |
| rkmrHonjo | Sorry... | 04:13 |
| rkmrHonjo | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/489095/ | 04:13 |
| patchbot | patch 489095 - masakari-monitors - Masakari-monitors operator's documentation | 04:13 |
| tpatil | Sure | 04:13 |
| rkmrHonjo | tpatil: thanks. | 04:13 |
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| tpatil | Next item : recovery method customization | 04:14 |
| tpatil | I need to discuss two options to add mistral actions | 04:14 |
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| tpatil | 1. Add all required actions in masakari repo | 04:14 |
| tpatil | 2. Create a new repo | 04:15 |
| tpatil | with option #1, wherever mistral executor is running, operator will need to install masakari package, is it acceptable to operators? | 04:15 |
| tpatil | option #2 is straight forward | 04:16 |
| tpatil | The new repo will be a library (masakari-mistral-actions) which should be installed on mistral executor nodes | 04:17 |
| tpatil | Do you have guys any comments on option#1? | 04:17 |
| tpatil | I have seen option #1 is used in tacker project | 04:18 |
| rkmrHonjo | tpatil: In #1, we can divide package. So I think that operators will accept the install the package e.g. "masakari-mistral-action.deb". | 04:19 |
| tpatil | # link : https://github.com/openstack/tacker/tree/master/tacker/mistral | 04:19 |
| tpatil | rkmrHonjo: Sounds like a good option | 04:20 |
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| tpatil | Next topic: Find hosts without specifying segments | 04:21 |
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| tpatil | # link : Find hosts without specifying segments | 04:22 |
| tpatil | # link : https://review.openstack.org/#/c/506986/ | 04:22 |
| patchbot | patch 506986 - masakari-specs - Find segment by specifying host | 04:22 |
| rkmrHonjo | I wait the workflow +1 for this spec. | 04:22 |
| rkmrHonjo | Sampath said that he'd like to review this. | 04:22 |
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| rkmrHonjo | tpatil: And, thank you for reviewing the implementation. Takahara will create a new patch according to your comments. | 04:23 |
| tpatil | rkmrHonjo: Let's follow-up with Sampath and get this specs merged soon | 04:23 |
| tpatil | Next item: Queens Work items | 04:24 |
| rkmrHonjo | tpatil: ok, I say it to samp. | 04:24 |
| tpatil | rkmrHonjo: Thanks | 04:24 |
| tpatil | # link: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/masakari-queens-workitems | 04:24 |
| tpatil | Add ssl support to devstack | 04:25 |
| tpatil | # link : https://review.openstack.org/#/c/508419/ | 04:25 |
| patchbot | patch 508419 - masakari - Add ssl support for masakari plugin | 04:25 |
| tpatil | I have +2 on this patch | 04:26 |
| tpatil | Please review | 04:26 |
| rkmrHonjo | ok, I review it. | 04:26 |
| tpatil | rkmrHonjo: Thanks | 04:26 |
| tpatil | Anyone wants to talk about any tems from Queens work items? | 04:28 |
| rkmrHonjo | no. | 04:29 |
| sagara | tpatil: no | 04:29 |
| Dinesh_Bhor | no | 04:29 |
| tpatil | Moving to next item | 04:29 |
| tpatil | BM HA (ironic+nova) | 04:29 |
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| tpatil | I think Sampath is working on this item, let's discuss on this topic in the next meeting | 04:30 |
| tpatil | Next item: OpenStack Proposal Bot updates | 04:30 |
| tpatil | I see there are several bot patches up for review | 04:31 |
| tpatil | If Jenkins is passing, should we approve these patches as is? | 04:32 |
| Dinesh_Bhor | I think yes, | 04:32 |
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| Dinesh_Bhor | If the updated lib is not breaking anything in masakari then it's safe to merge it | 04:33 |
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| rkmrHonjo | sorry, I left these patches. ok, I review it. | 04:33 |
| tpatil | rkmrHonjo: Thanks, please review this one, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/477955/, I have already voted +2 | 04:34 |
| patchbot | patch 477955 - masakari - Updated from global requirements | 04:34 |
| rkmrHonjo | tpatil: sure. | 04:34 |
| tpatil | #topic AOB | 04:35 |
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| tpatil | Migrate from launchpad to Storyboard | 04:35 |
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| tpatil | I don't have any update about this item. Sampath should take this decision | 04:36 |
| rkmrHonjo | Yeah. I think that we should research & understand storyboard, and plan to migrating. | 04:37 |
| tpatil | I think this item is low priority, anyone finds time for research, please do so and update their findings in the meeting | 04:39 |
| Dinesh_Bhor | sure | 04:39 |
| tpatil | #topic Ansible support for Masakari | 04:39 |
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| rkmrHonjo | tpatil: agree. | 04:39 |
| tpatil | I haven't worked on Ansible, so don't have any info at this moment | 04:41 |
| Dinesh_Bhor | okay | 04:41 |
| rkmrHonjo | me too. | 04:42 |
| tpatil | Ansible deploys OpenStack, so it looks that we need to enhance ansible to build compute node HA setup | 04:43 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | tpatil: WRT migrating to Storyboard. Here's some documentation. https://docs.openstack.org/infra/storyboard/migration.html | 04:44 |
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| tpatil | diablo_rojo_phon: Thanks for the pointers | 04:44 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | Sorry to interrupt :) I just work on Storyboard and am helping facilitate the migration. If you have questions feel free to drop in #storyboard | 04:44 |
| rkmrHonjo | diablo_rojo_phon:thanks, I'll read it. | 04:45 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | tpatil: no problem :) | 04:45 |
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| tpatil | I will discuss with Sampath about Ansible topic and let's decide how we should go ahead about this item in the next meeting | 04:46 |
| rkmrHonjo | tpatil: Sure. | 04:46 |
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| tpatil | That brings us to the end of this meeting, Anyone has any other topics for discussions? | 04:47 |
| rkmrHonjo | no. | 04:48 |
| Dinesh_Bhor | yes, I have one AOB today | 04:48 |
| Dinesh_Bhor | Platform9 guys are using masakari in their production. So they are interested in the support of multinode masakari-engine. | 04:48 |
| Dinesh_Bhor | For this feature there is a new etcd3 service for distributed key-value storage which we can use directly or the tooz lib which internally uses etcd3. | 04:48 |
| Dinesh_Bhor | this will be a good addition to masakari | 04:48 |
| Dinesh_Bhor | I started exploring etcd. | 04:49 |
| tpatil | Dinesh_Bhor: use etcd3 for storing locks info used for synchronization? | 04:49 |
| Dinesh_Bhor | tpatil: yes | 04:49 |
| Dinesh_Bhor | The newer version tooz uses etcd | 04:49 |
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| tpatil | Dinesh_Bhor: Yes, definitely, let's use tooz library for multiple node installation. | 04:51 |
| Dinesh_Bhor | tpatil: Okay, | 04:51 |
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| tpatil | Let's end the meeting | 04:52 |
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| sagara | thanks, bye | 04:53 |
| rkmrHonjo | bye | 04:53 |
| tpatil | #endmeeting | 04:53 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/masakari/2017/masakari.2017-10-03-04.07.html | 04:53 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/masakari/2017/masakari.2017-10-03-04.07.txt | 04:53 |
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| davidsha | #startmeeting network_common_flow_classifier | 14:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Oct 3 14:01:40 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is davidsha. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: network_common_flow_classifier)" | 14:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'network_common_flow_classifier' | 14:01 |
| davidsha | Hi everyone | 14:01 |
| igordc | hi davidsha | 14:01 |
| bcafarel | hello | 14:02 |
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| davidsha | I'll wait 2 mins for more to join. | 14:02 |
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| igordc | what's up bcafarel | 14:02 |
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| bcafarel | having fun with zuulv3 fallout mostly :) | 14:03 |
| igordc | bcafarel: :( | 14:04 |
| davidsha | As long as your having fun :P | 14:04 |
| davidsha | I guess we should start | 14:05 |
| davidsha | #topic CCF v0 - Update | 14:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "CCF v0 - Update (Meeting topic: network_common_flow_classifier)" | 14:05 | |
| bcafarel | reedip will probably pop in (now that fwaas meeting was moved) | 14:05 |
| davidsha | I've most of the proposed changes implemented, just had a few issues with my dev environment that have help me up. | 14:06 |
| davidsha | held* | 14:06 |
| davidsha | I should have at least the database migrations patch and the models patch up by Friday. | 14:07 |
| davidsha | Are there any questions for the patches? | 14:08 |
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| igordc | davidsha: when is v0 ready to merge? | 14:08 |
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| igordc | davidsha: should existing code be merged as is and then smaller patches submitted to fix the multiple parts towards v1? | 14:09 |
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| davidsha | igordc: When there is a consensus on it being ready to merge is the simplest answer. | 14:09 |
| bcafarel | :) | 14:09 |
| davidsha | igordc: That could be an issue with database migrations | 14:10 |
| davidsha | We don't want 2 or 3 migration contractions and expansions because we pushed it in too early | 14:10 |
| davidsha | Butt sooner rather than later is prefered, especially when people need to experiment for PoCs | 14:11 |
| igordc | davidsha: you need the migrations when releasing v1 | 14:11 |
| bcafarel | can't we allow updating the migrations until v1 is there? | 14:11 |
| igordc | davidsha: there is no release for v0... migrations can be adapted | 14:11 |
| davidsha | That's true, fair enough. | 14:12 |
| davidsha | If there are not massive problems with next next patch will we merge it then and refine it as we progress? | 14:12 |
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| davidsha | Will Zuul also be an issue? | 14:13 |
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| igordc | davidsha: sounds good to me | 14:14 |
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| davidsha | ok, will we move on? | 14:14 |
| bcafarel | if there are no major objections, having an "initial v0" in tree will be nice indeed | 14:14 |
| bcafarel | for zuul, it should be ok ccf-wise | 14:14 |
| davidsha | kk | 14:14 |
| bcafarel | there may be failures, but "generic" ones | 14:15 |
| bcafarel | hopefully in a few days the dust will have settled a bit | 14:15 |
| davidsha | Hopefully! | 14:15 |
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| davidsha | #topic PTG discussion | 14:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "PTG discussion (Meeting topic: network_common_flow_classifier)" | 14:15 | |
| davidsha | I was hoping tmorin would be here for this, cause now I need to speak on his behalf | 14:16 |
| davidsha | :P | 14:16 |
| davidsha | He forwarded me an etherpad with some of the discussions he had outside of the main track: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-queens-ptg-ccffwaas-raw-notes-tmorin | 14:17 |
| davidsha | Have you all seen the live streamed discussions of the Neutron PTG? | 14:17 |
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| davidsha | Hey | 14:18 |
| bcafarel | I played them while doing other things, guess I missed the ccf discussion :/ | 14:19 |
| davidsha | people are just reviewing this: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-queens-ptg-ccffwaas-raw-notes-tmorin | 14:19 |
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| igordc | hi mlavalle | 14:19 |
| davidsha | bcafarel: I believe the CCF discussion was on the Tuesday morning video | 14:19 |
| reedip_ | o/ | 14:19 |
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| reedip_ | sorry for being late | 14:20 |
| igordc | hi reedip_ | 14:20 |
| davidsha | give me 2 mins and I'll try to grab it | 14:20 |
| davidsha | hi | 14:20 |
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| reedip_ | hi igordc | 14:21 |
| davidsha | Here is the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58AyKXHkI-I | 14:21 |
| mlavalle | yeap, that's the one | 14:21 |
| davidsha | So one of the topics tmorin noted in his etherpad was tracking classification/group usage to know if we can delete them. | 14:22 |
| mlavalle | You can also look at the CCF summary here: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-September/122583.html | 14:23 |
| davidsha | mlavalle: Thanks! forgot about the mailing list summary. | 14:23 |
| davidsha | I'll copy the CCF one into tmorin's etherpad actually | 14:24 |
| reedip_ | yep that has the gist of the meeting, I remember the fwaas discussion for ccf :) | 14:25 |
| igordc | davidsha: cool I'll fix the spec, the one attached seems to be the flow manager | 14:25 |
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| davidsha | igordc: your right. | 14:26 |
| reedip_ | guys brb | 14:27 |
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| davidsha | kk, just on the etherpad, the first 2 topics, knowing that a classification/group has been consumed and classifications being read/write. Any comments? | 14:28 |
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| davidsha | On the second one, I believe classifications should be read only otherwise we have the update problem. | 14:29 |
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| igordc | davidsha: I tend towards read-only | 14:29 |
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| davidsha | bcafarel: your thought? | 14:29 |
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| bcafarel | davidsha: sorry, was looking for the merged spec | 14:30 |
| davidsha | bcafarel: no problem | 14:30 |
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| davidsha | bcafarel: this one isn't it: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/333993/ | 14:31 |
| patchbot | patch 333993 - neutron-specs - Neutron Common Classification Framework (MERGED) | 14:31 |
| bcafarel | but leaning towards read-only too, updating one and potentially syncing a firewall, a SFC, ... on it does not look like a good idea | 14:31 |
| igordc | oh... what is this? | 14:31 |
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| davidsha | patchbot? | 14:31 |
| igordc | davidsha: yeah... oh because bcafarel mentioned it | 14:32 |
| igordc | davidsha: you* | 14:32 |
| davidsha | Ok, so read only is the decision. What about tracking classification usage? | 14:33 |
| davidsha | In earlier patches I could track when a classification was consumed through RPC, however that was against the idea of keeping this at the service plugin layer. | 14:33 |
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| bcafarel | I guess tracking usage is mandatory if we want to keep the feature consuming services do not need to keep a local copy of the classification | 14:35 |
| davidsha | Any suggestions? igordc, bcafarel, mlavalle? | 14:35 |
| bcafarel | so we can allow deleting CCF resources only if they are not in use | 14:35 |
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| igordc | davidsha: I see the tracking useful at least to check if classifcations can be deletd (not being consumed) | 14:35 |
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| igordc | davidsha: but if there's an alternative to tracking it's also fine I think | 14:35 |
| igordc | and now patchbot has quit... | 14:36 |
| davidsha | igordc: I think the alternative is not allow deletion :P | 14:36 |
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| davidsha | bcafarel: Ya | 14:37 |
| igordc | davidsha: yes, that is a perfect solution to this problem! KISS, very S | 14:37 |
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| davidsha | Lol | 14:37 |
| mlavalle | KISS works for me | 14:38 |
| davidsha | mlavalle is throwing his weight behind not being able to delete the classification resource, a decision has been made ;) | 14:39 |
| mlavalle | mhhh, I'm going to be blamed at some point in time ;-) | 14:39 |
| davidsha | Lol, we can do some more path finding for this as the PoCs are being developed. so we can kick this can down the road I guess. | 14:40 |
| igordc | davidsha: yes but the final impl on this aspect should be before v1 | 14:41 |
| davidsha | There is mention of FWaas drafting a spec for this and BGP VPn doing the same, so I'll need to find those when they go up | 14:41 |
| davidsha | igordc: Of course | 14:41 |
| bcafarel | no progress on the SFC side, was too busy on other fronts | 14:42 |
| bcafarel | davidsha: so I won't block you! (for now) | 14:42 |
| davidsha | bcafarel: same for me, I was working on a qos one, but it's been lost in some obscure branch name now.... | 14:43 |
| davidsha | The next thing is horizon, what will we need to do to make a component? | 14:44 |
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| davidsha | Can we extend Horizon from the Neutron Classifier repo like the openstack client or do we need to submit something to horizon? | 14:45 |
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| igordc | davidsha: I think so, but once ccf becomes neutron-stadium or more than the code would be moved to horizon itself | 14:45 |
| igordc | davidsha: which is ccf v2 at least, I expect | 14:46 |
| reedip_afk | sorry, my network has issues with me | 14:46 |
| davidsha | igordc: ack, something else to revisit in the future. | 14:46 |
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| davidsha | reedip_afk: np | 14:46 |
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| bcafarel | yep I don't think keeping it in-house will be a problem short-term | 14:47 |
| davidsha | Ok, that sounds like a plan then# | 14:47 |
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| bcafarel | so akihiro was a volunteer to get it done? | 14:47 |
| mlavalle | amotoki: ^^^^ | 14:47 |
| davidsha | I'm not sure, we'd need tmorin to clarify | 14:48 |
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| davidsha | We're running out of time, I don't think the points from the summary need to be discussed, will we move onto the next topic? | 14:49 |
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| davidsha | #topic Call for requirements | 14:50 |
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| davidsha | There hasn't been any response on the mailing list so I won't bring this up again next meeting | 14:51 |
| davidsha | I added it because it was mentioned at the PTG. | 14:52 |
| davidsha | So we can move onto open discussion if no one has anything to add. | 14:52 |
| mlavalle | do you mean from the FWaaS team and others? | 14:53 |
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| davidsha | mlavalle: well just in response to the mailing list, I'd need to talk to tmorin and see was it discussed | 14:53 |
| mlavalle | ok | 14:54 |
| reedip_afk | davidsha : I think as per our last discussion, the protocols mention in the IP_PROTOCOL would be useful, right ? | 14:54 |
| davidsha | In neutron lib right? | 14:55 |
| reedip_afk | yep | 14:55 |
| davidsha | There were a few we were not going to pursue I think but generally yes | 14:55 |
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| reedip_afk | kk | 14:56 |
| davidsha | We're coming up to the end of the hour, I'll switch to open discussion in case people have something they want to bring up | 14:56 |
| davidsha | #topic Open discussion | 14:56 |
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| davidsha | Any topics anyone would like to mention? | 14:57 |
| amotoki | I was away from keyboard a while | 14:57 |
| davidsha | bcafarel: don't for get to share :P | 14:57 |
| * igordc forgot post-lunch coffee, will get one now | 14:57 | |
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| igordc | maybe I'll use this time to clarify my positon on the ccf | 14:57 |
| mlavalle | I have a few questions | 14:58 |
| amotoki | i think horizon support should be done per each *service* project like fwaas, sfc, so I don't think we need ccf-specific support | 14:58 |
| igordc | due to other priorities I won't be driving the CCF anymore - however I will continue to follow its developments and provide input if I can | 14:58 |
| davidsha | amotoki: If it's a common resource between each service though? | 14:59 |
| igordc | amotoki: you do need a specific UI for the definition of classifications | 14:59 |
| davidsha | igordc: ack | 14:59 |
| amotoki | davidsha: afaik this is the first case, so I think we need more discussion | 14:59 |
| davidsha | We're out of time, we'll move this to #openstack-neutron | 14:59 |
| bcafarel | igordc: thanks for all the restart/spec effort | 14:59 |
| bcafarel | ok | 15:00 |
| igordc | bcafarel: ;) | 15:00 |
| davidsha | #endmeeting | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Oct 3 15:00:16 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/network_common_flow_classifier/2017/network_common_flow_classifier.2017-10-03-14.01.html | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/network_common_flow_classifier/2017/network_common_flow_classifier.2017-10-03-14.01.txt | 15:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/network_common_flow_classifier/2017/network_common_flow_classifier.2017-10-03-14.01.log.html | 15:00 |
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| ihrachys | o/ | 16:00 |
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| haleyb | hi | 16:00 |
| jlibosva | hi | 16:00 |
| ihrachys | #startmeeting neutron_ci | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Tue Oct 3 16:00:33 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ihrachys. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_ci)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_ci' | 16:00 |
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| mlavalle | o/ | 16:01 |
| ihrachys | before we start, I'd like to mention that I was not very attentive to upstream fallout lately so I may miss crucial things. if so, speak up. | 16:01 |
| ihrachys | #topic Action items from prev week | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Action items from prev week (Meeting topic: neutron_ci)" | 16:01 | |
| ihrachys | we had two items for the same | 16:02 |
| ihrachys | "ihrachys to report bug for iptables apply failure" and "jlibosva to triage iptables apply failure in linuxbridge scenarios job" | 16:02 |
| ihrachys | I am afraid I haven't done the job, but let me check | 16:02 |
| jlibosva | I haven't found time to look at it | 16:02 |
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| ihrachys | oh I actually did, wow https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1719711 | 16:02 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1719711 in neutron "iptables failed to apply when binding a port with AGENT.debug_iptables_rules enabled" [High,Confirmed] | 16:03 |
| ihrachys | my memory bank is not long enough it seems. | 16:03 |
| ihrachys | jlibosva, will you? or we should find someone else? | 16:03 |
| jlibosva | I'd love look at it but I was busy with some other things lately .. | 16:04 |
| jlibosva | I was also two days off last week so that's my excuse :) | 16:04 |
| haleyb | ihrachys: i can look, just didn't have time this past week, but since i have another iptables issue on my plate i will have that part of my brain swapped-in | 16:04 |
| ihrachys | we are not to blame here :) | 16:04 |
| ihrachys | jlibosva, sounds fair if we pass the cake to haleyb ? | 16:05 |
| jlibosva | sure | 16:05 |
| jlibosva | thank haleyb :) | 16:05 |
| jlibosva | s | 16:05 |
| ihrachys | ok, assigned to haleyb | 16:05 |
| ihrachys | haleyb++ | 16:05 |
| ihrachys | #topic Grafana | 16:05 |
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| ihrachys | grafana is dead: http://grafana.openstack.org/dashboard/db/neutron-failure-rate | 16:06 |
| ihrachys | no data points | 16:06 |
| ihrachys | probably a fallout of zuulv3 switch | 16:06 |
| ihrachys | haleyb, I remember you asked about it. was there any progress after that to get it back? | 16:06 |
| ihrachys | any patches to chew? | 16:06 |
| haleyb | ihrachys: no, that was near end of day here, but i could take a look. this zuulv3 change was not as clean as i expected | 16:07 |
| ihrachys | haleyb, I suspect it's because job names changed | 16:07 |
| ihrachys | maybe our board was not updated with new | 16:07 |
| haleyb | ihrachys: yes, there's a lot of legacy-* now | 16:07 |
| ihrachys | yeah, no 'legacy' matches in grafana/neutron.yaml | 16:08 |
| ihrachys | #action haleyb to update grafana board with new job names | 16:08 |
| ihrachys | I hope this part of the repo is still fresh and we don't need to learn more new ways | 16:08 |
| haleyb | who is going to update all the jobs... :( | 16:09 |
| ihrachys | they can live as legacy for a while | 16:09 |
| ihrachys | the main problem is that we now are on the hook to migrate them if we need improvements/new jobs... | 16:09 |
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| ihrachys | a lot of patches were caught in flight | 16:09 |
| ihrachys | mlavalle, are you aware of anyone working on migration to new job format? | 16:10 |
| mlavalle | no | 16:10 |
| boden | I might wait to see what happens with zuul v3 before doing too much work.. based on the latest ML thread there are a lot of problems and folks are starting to talk about a revert if we can’t get the gates healthy with v3 | 16:10 |
| mlavalle | I pinged back the person who asked about it on Friday | 16:10 |
| mlavalle | but didn't get back to me | 16:11 |
| ihrachys | boden, wow that's harsh | 16:11 |
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| boden | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-October/123022.html | 16:11 |
| boden | well it has been pretty disruptive | 16:11 |
| boden | neutron-lib gate is on the floor and there are also issues with neutron gate | 16:12 |
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| ihrachys | yeah, I see patches falling with POST_FAILUREs | 16:13 |
| ihrachys | I thought we were past that? | 16:13 |
| boden | there are other problems | 16:13 |
| ihrachys | apparently more bits of the puzzle were deployed | 16:13 |
| ihrachys | boden, do we have a list of grievances on our side? | 16:14 |
| boden | I’ve been adding them here https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/zuulv3-migration-faq | 16:14 |
| boden | so far for neutron I only noticed the legacy releasenotes job busted… but its busted across the board best I can tell | 16:14 |
| boden | neutron-lbi is diff story | 16:14 |
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| armax | do we have a list of neutron related jobs that are known to be unstable/broken? | 16:15 |
| boden | the only list I have is that faq… but its hard to tell right now b/c there are random POST_FAILURES that are not related to gate “job logic” best I can tell | 16:16 |
| armax | shall we attempt to focus on one pipeline at the time? there might be common problems and once we identified those it’s easier to do a sweep across the board? | 16:16 |
| ihrachys | yeah, that would be nice to have something neutron specific. I think we could do a quick triage of failures in our gates based on late patches and have a list that we would then run against what's in faq, and if smth is not there, escalate it to infra | 16:17 |
| armax | perhaps the neutron-lib pipeline is easier to bring back to sanity? | 16:17 |
| boden | armax: TBH I think it has more problems than neutron | 16:17 |
| armax | then go to neutron and the other networking-* projects? | 16:17 |
| armax | boden: even better :) | 16:17 |
| boden | I’d say get neutron working 1st | 16:17 |
| ihrachys | ok | 16:17 |
| boden | I know for sure the legacy releasenotes is busted | 16:17 |
| ihrachys | let's start the pad | 16:17 |
| ihrachys | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-zuulv3-grievances Etherpad for zuulv3 grievances | 16:17 |
| boden | why not just add to https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/zuulv3-migration-faq so everyone knows the issues | 16:18 |
| boden | other people might have similar problems | 16:18 |
| boden | other people = other projects | 16:18 |
| ihrachys | I think it makes sense for ourselves to understand what's the fallout and then cross-match with what they alredy track | 16:18 |
| boden | cool | 16:18 |
| mlavalle | yeah | 16:18 |
| ihrachys | I don't intend to have it forever, just to classify and pass over | 16:19 |
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| ihrachys | we have neutron, -lib, and client + stable branches to classify | 16:19 |
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| armax | what about we have a liasion on each of these areas, tasked to report a status of the gate by EOB? | 16:20 |
| boden | FYI: I did land this patch to try and fix a lib gate job: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/508945/ | 16:20 |
| ihrachys | we could split those right now and work the next 24h on getting the full picture? | 16:20 |
| armax | then perhaps we can have a ad hoc sync-up tomorrow to see where we are? | 16:20 |
| ihrachys | armax, yeah + | 16:20 |
| armax | I can take neutron-lib | 16:20 |
| ihrachys | I take stable | 16:20 |
| ihrachys | all of them | 16:21 |
| armax | OK | 16:21 |
| mlavalle | I'll take Neutron | 16:21 |
| ihrachys | who's on neutron? | 16:21 |
| ihrachys | great | 16:21 |
| armax | who wants to take the neutron- and networking- ones? | 16:21 |
| ihrachys | team team team team. if you can't work as a team... | 16:21 |
| ihrachys | mlavalle, I put your name in the pad | 16:22 |
| boden | I dont mind to help, problem is I’m nearly gate illiterate | 16:22 |
| mlavalle | ++ | 16:22 |
| ihrachys | more volunteers for the rest? | 16:22 |
| haleyb | i can look at client | 16:23 |
| armax | I’ll have a look at the periodic runs I have time | 16:23 |
| armax | haleyb: take it off of me then | 16:23 |
| ihrachys | haleyb, check the list of not assigned in the pad | 16:23 |
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| armax | I added myself but happy to hand it over :) | 16:23 |
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| * haleyb takes a step back :) | 16:24 | |
| armax | chicken | 16:24 |
| armax | :) | 16:24 |
| ihrachys | ok. if nothing else, I am not too nervous about networking- / neutron- / periodic at this point | 16:24 |
| ihrachys | it's on subteams (except periodic that doesn't block) | 16:24 |
| armax | so for now we don’t worry about the non-voting jobs, right? | 16:25 |
| ihrachys | thanks for everyone who is not a chicken | 16:25 |
| ihrachys | :) | 16:25 |
| ihrachys | armax, yeah, goal is unblock gate | 16:25 |
| * mlavalle is a chicken but is trying to hide it | 16:25 | |
| ihrachys | we will review the gate in a week for others | 16:25 |
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| armax | I think let’s try to figure out the grafana black hole asap | 16:25 |
| armax | we can’t fix what we can’t see | 16:25 |
| haleyb | we're more like squirrels who all got run over by the zuulv3 bus, and it's backing-up now | 16:25 |
| haleyb | armax: i was going to look at grafana, most likely just needs update to job names | 16:26 |
| armax | haleyb: true, but we’ll have to move away from the legacy- prefix sooner or later | 16:26 |
| ihrachys | that's after we are back on our legs | 16:26 |
| * jlibosva is also chicken | 16:27 | |
| armax | unless we want to create a legacy dashboard | 16:27 |
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| armax | either way | 16:27 |
| haleyb | armax: i hope we don't have to do that | 16:27 |
| ihrachys | I don't think infra in a position to force the switch through further | 16:27 |
| armax | great, I get a status.json: Proxy Error when looking at http://zuulv3.openstack.org/ | 16:27 |
| armax | ihrachys: agreed, but I loathe to see ‘legacy’ everywhere :) | 16:28 |
| ihrachys | haleyb, I don't think that's realistic hope | 16:28 |
| haleyb | ihrachys: you mean not having a legacy dash? | 16:28 |
| armax | I hope the translation is pretty straightforward | 16:28 |
| armax | yeah | 16:28 |
| ihrachys | haleyb, not having to do it | 16:28 |
| ihrachys | armax, it's switch to ansible man | 16:28 |
| ihrachys | well, we could call a bash script from there I guess? | 16:29 |
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| armax | ihrachys: rock. on. | 16:29 |
| haleyb | i will see what other dashboard changes landed recently i guess | 16:29 |
| ihrachys | would probably make sense to move definitions as scripts into neutron tree; then work on ansible switch as needed. | 16:29 |
| ihrachys | so excited of all the productive work we are about to do | 16:30 |
| ihrachys | meh | 16:30 |
| ihrachys | I don't think we have anything to discuss for grafana or gate without data, so let's move on | 16:31 |
| ihrachys | #topic Bugs | 16:31 |
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| ihrachys | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bugs?field.tag=gate-failure | 16:31 |
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| ihrachys | I don't see anything new in the list except the iptables apply issue that haleyb will look at | 16:31 |
| ihrachys | so we can focus on gate for the most part. | 16:31 |
| mlavalle | great | 16:32 |
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| ihrachys | #topic Fullstack | 16:32 |
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| ihrachys | I am not sure there is a lot of reason to discuss fullstack or scenarios at the point where we are right now. thoughts? | 16:32 |
| mlavalle | agree | 16:33 |
| ihrachys | ok | 16:33 |
| armax | it’s like discussing that the house is dirty when the roof is on fire | 16:33 |
| ihrachys | #topic Open discussion | 16:33 |
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| ihrachys | anything critical that is more important than putting the fire off to discuss? | 16:33 |
| armax | back to the zuulv3 topic any idea what to do with node_failure errors? | 16:34 |
| armax | it seems like infra is fighting stability issues of their own? | 16:34 |
| boden | armax; yes, that’s what I said earlier… the infra isn’t even stable enough to test the gate jobs now | 16:34 |
| ihrachys | armax, maybe ask them about whether they have it fixed, or when it's going to be fixed | 16:35 |
| mlavalle | so maybe talking to them, to get a sense as to where they stand | 16:35 |
| ihrachys | maybe they will tell us straight they revert and we don't need to do the work in the first place :) | 16:35 |
| armax | OK, I am going to learn a bit about this today so that I can ask intelligent questions | 16:35 |
| mlavalle | ihrachys: that's a nice dream | 16:36 |
| ihrachys | mlavalle, not really, only means you will go through another round of pain in the future | 16:36 |
| mlavalle | that's true | 16:36 |
| ihrachys | ok, thanks everyone, let's follow up with infra, and classify. that will be something already. | 16:36 |
| ihrachys | keep up | 16:36 |
| ihrachys | #endmeeting | 16:36 |
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| armax | OK | 16:36 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Oct 3 16:36:43 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:36 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_ci/2017/neutron_ci.2017-10-03-16.00.html | 16:36 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_ci/2017/neutron_ci.2017-10-03-16.00.txt | 16:36 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_ci/2017/neutron_ci.2017-10-03-16.00.log.html | 16:36 |
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| lbragstad | ping ayoung, breton, cmurphy, dstanek, edmondsw, gagehugo, henrynash, hrybacki, knikolla, lamt, lbragstad, lwanderley, notmorgan, rderose, rodrigods, samueldmq, spilla, aselius, dpar | 17:00 |
| lbragstad | #startmeeting keystone | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Oct 3 17:00:22 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is lbragstad. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'keystone' | 17:00 |
| lbragstad | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/keystone-weekly-meeting | 17:00 |
| lbragstad | agenda ^ | 17:00 |
| lbragstad | o/ | 17:00 |
| samueldmq | o/ | 17:00 |
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| samueldmq | lbragstad isn't it 1 hour earlier for the meeting yet? | 17:01 |
| lbragstad | dst is next moth | 17:02 |
| lbragstad | month* | 17:02 |
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| lbragstad | 2017-11-05 | 17:02 |
| breton | timezones got someone | 17:02 |
| hrybacki | o/ | 17:02 |
| breton | because the meeting is in 1h | 17:03 |
| hrybacki | timezones... | 17:03 |
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| lbragstad | what?! bah | 17:03 |
| lbragstad | sorry about that | 17:03 |
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| breton | in #openstack-meeting on Tuesdays at 18:00 UTC ( https://www.google.com/search?q=current+utc+time ) :p | 17:03 |
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| lbragstad | some day i'll figure out dst | 17:04 |
| lbragstad | #endmeeting | 17:04 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Oct 3 17:04:18 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:04 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2017/keystone.2017-10-03-17.00.html | 17:04 |
| samueldmq | :) | 17:04 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2017/keystone.2017-10-03-17.00.txt | 17:04 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2017/keystone.2017-10-03-17.00.log.html | 17:04 |
| lbragstad | see everyone in 56 minutes! | 17:04 |
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| lbragstad | ping ayoung, breton, cmurphy, dstanek, edmondsw, gagehugo, henrynash, hrybacki, knikolla, lamt, lbragstad, lwanderley, notmorgan, rderose, rodrigods, samueldmq, spilla, aselius, dpar | 18:00 |
| lbragstad | #startmeeting keystone | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Oct 3 18:00:08 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is lbragstad. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
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| samueldmq | o/ | 18:00 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'keystone' | 18:00 |
| samueldmq | hello! | 18:00 |
| lbragstad | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/keystone-weekly-meeting | 18:00 |
| spilla | o/ | 18:00 |
| lamt | o/ | 18:00 |
| lbragstad | agenda ^ | 18:00 |
| lbragstad | alighty - let's try this again | 18:00 |
| hrybacki | o/ | 18:00 |
| edmondsw | o/ | 18:00 |
| rodrigods | o/ | 18:01 |
| lbragstad | we'll give folks a few minutes to trickle in | 18:01 |
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| knikolla | o/ | 18:01 |
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| lbragstad | #topic Sydney Media Session | 18:02 |
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| lbragstad | gagehugo: added this to the agenda but he's not here - so i can explain it | 18:02 |
| lbragstad | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/security/2017/security.2017-09-28-17.01.log.html | 18:03 |
| lbragstad | context ^ | 18:03 |
| lbragstad | if anyone is interested in participating in a security discussion in sydney please feel free to ping gagehugo or lhinds | 18:03 |
| lbragstad | they are looking to do some interviews focused on OpenStack + security | 18:03 |
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| lbragstad | if that sounds interesting to you or if you want to participate in those, ping gagehugo | 18:04 |
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| lbragstad | #topic trello sync | 18:04 |
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| lbragstad | #link https://trello.com/b/5F0h9Hoe/keystone | 18:05 |
| lbragstad | one of my action items from the retrospective in Denver was to be better about communicating with various people driving things throughout the release | 18:05 |
| lbragstad | now that we have a trello board, this seems like a natural fit | 18:05 |
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| lbragstad | i figured we could spend a few minutes getting a quick status on where folks are at, if they need help/reviews, etc... | 18:06 |
| lbragstad | we can start with the in progress column | 18:06 |
| lbragstad | #link https://trello.com/c/b5ovuvqG/1-project-tags | 18:06 |
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| lbragstad | #topic trello status: project tags | 18:06 |
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| lbragstad | i reviewed most of that stuff last week and it's looking really good - i don't see anything preventing us from landing that in queens-1 | 18:07 |
| lbragstad | spilla: lamt ^ anything you want to add there? anything you need help with outside of reviews? | 18:07 |
| lamt | lbragstad I am good. I think that's what's left, and some filtering work for the client left | 18:08 |
| spilla | just a few kinks were working out with comparators, but other than that reviews are always greatly appreciated! | 18:08 |
| lbragstad | cool - i'll revisit the reviews be EOW for sure | 18:08 |
| lbragstad | by* | 18:09 |
| lbragstad | for server at least, i imagine the client bits will be easier once we have the keystone implementation landed | 18:09 |
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| lamt | yeah | 18:09 |
| lbragstad | #action keystone team to finish reviewing project tags implementation | 18:10 |
| samueldmq | I will make sure to revisit them too | 18:10 |
| samueldmq | (project tags) | 18:10 |
| lbragstad | samueldmq: ++ thanks | 18:10 |
| lbragstad | #topic trello status: v2.0 API removal | 18:10 |
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| lbragstad | #link https://trello.com/c/XTkAiqaB/21-remove-v20-apis | 18:10 |
| lbragstad | we have a bunch of patches in flight and they are passing | 18:10 |
| lbragstad | but we're really just hung up on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/499783/ | 18:11 |
| lbragstad | mainly due to the zuul switch over | 18:11 |
| lbragstad | nothing really to do here until that enters the gate | 18:11 |
| ayoung | Don't you need something more than recheck for the merge pipeline kmalloc ? | 18:12 |
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| lbragstad | kmalloc: reapplied a +2/+A last night, and i checked with infra this morning | 18:12 |
| ayoung | like reverify or summat | 18:12 |
| lbragstad | they merged those two things iirc | 18:12 |
| lbragstad | sounds like a zuul restart is the answer at this point | 18:13 |
| lbragstad | there is a thread going on the topic | 18:13 |
| lbragstad | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-October/123049.html | 18:13 |
| ayoung | its in the check queue | 18:13 |
| lbragstad | cool - that must have happened since this morning | 18:14 |
| ayoung | thrid from the top, 1hr26 until its up | 18:14 |
| lbragstad | awesome - i'll keep an eye on it, we should start seeing the rest of those patches go through | 18:15 |
| lbragstad | once that's in | 18:15 |
| ayoung | Second from top, actually, behind a Cinder one... | 18:15 |
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| ayoung | at some point I should actually learn how Zuul works | 18:15 |
| lbragstad | yeah... it'd be helpful for giving the infra team a hand at times like this | 18:16 |
| ayoung | If only we knew someone that worked on it | 18:16 |
| lbragstad | ... right | 18:16 |
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| lbragstad | #topic trello status: system scoping | 18:16 |
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| lbragstad | #link https://trello.com/c/9jYTqjgc/22-implement-system-scoping | 18:17 |
| lbragstad | i have patches up the start the implementation here - i also have the specification up | 18:17 |
| lbragstad | all reviews welcome | 18:17 |
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| lbragstad | if you're curious about getting your hands dirty with the code, let me know - i have several patches in flight | 18:18 |
| ayoung | Couplea questions on that | 18:18 |
| ayoung | are we going to have something that indicates "all services" and "this subset of endpoints?" | 18:18 |
| lbragstad | ayoung: right now - we're not even getting that far | 18:19 |
| lbragstad | but the initial implementation shouldn't prevent us from doing that in the future | 18:19 |
| ayoung | Does system imply all services the way it is written? | 18:19 |
| lbragstad | I rewrote the specification to summarize everything we discussed at the PTG | 18:19 |
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| lbragstad | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/464763/ | 18:19 |
| lbragstad | ditching the global approach with a system approach | 18:20 |
| lbragstad | I also added a section in the current spec why we chose that route | 18:20 |
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| ayoung | lbragstad, so, I'd argue you dropped some wisdom from previous discussions in that spec: | 18:20 |
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| ayoung | we have discussed service scoped roles many times in the past, and that seemed to be the best mapping for what you have here | 18:21 |
| ayoung | a service scoped role is a system scoped role the way you wrote it, but it CAN be more specific | 18:21 |
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| ayoung | I'd go for an approach that allows us to move that way | 18:21 |
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| lbragstad | if there is a seem where we can add it in the spec - let me know and i'll try and work it in | 18:22 |
| ayoung | i.e. this token is only valid on Nova systems, or is only valid on this specific nova endpoint. etc | 18:22 |
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| ayoung | lbragstad, will do | 18:22 |
| lbragstad | s/seem/seam/ | 18:22 |
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| lbragstad | i think the conclusion at the PTG was that kind of thing is powerful and we should have a system that lets us move that direction if we want to | 18:22 |
| lbragstad | #topic trello status: policy community goal | 18:23 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "trello status: policy community goal (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 18:23 | |
| lbragstad | #link https://trello.com/c/XzM8IXy4/10-cross-project-policy-work | 18:23 |
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| lbragstad | we're making progress | 18:24 |
| lbragstad | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-October/123040.html | 18:24 |
| lbragstad | i send an update ^ | 18:24 |
| lbragstad | if you're interested in helping, let me know | 18:24 |
| lbragstad | #topic trello status: oslo policy deprecation tools | 18:25 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "trello status: oslo policy deprecation tools (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 18:25 | |
| lbragstad | #link https://trello.com/c/Z6pUPEJu/3-oslopolicy-deprecation i have plans to start this implementation by EOW - once i get most of the projects started on the community goal | 18:25 |
| lbragstad | i'm still hoping to have that done by queens-1 so that projects can start consuming it | 18:26 |
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| edmondsw | lbragstad any more discussion with the oslo.config guys on how to support changing policy/conf defaults? | 18:26 |
| lbragstad | i haven't seen any updates on the specs i've proposed, yet | 18:27 |
| lbragstad | i did respin the oslo specs to include details from the PTG discussions though | 18:28 |
| lbragstad | so the current specs should be up-to-date | 18:28 |
| lbragstad | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/500141/ | 18:29 |
| lbragstad | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/500207/ | 18:29 |
| lbragstad | #topic trello status: oslo policy scope | 18:29 |
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| lbragstad | #link https://trello.com/c/ZjsNk84y/4-oslopolicy-scope | 18:30 |
| lbragstad | this is in the same boat | 18:30 |
| lbragstad | #topic trello status: keystonemiddleware work | 18:31 |
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| lbragstad | #link https://trello.com/c/CQeSTZgP/18-keystonemiddleware-work | 18:31 |
| lbragstad | cmurphy: has been pushing the ball forward there | 18:31 |
| lbragstad | thanks cmurphy! | 18:31 |
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| lbragstad | i need to review those patches | 18:31 |
| lbragstad | does anyone have things related to keystonemiddleware work they need to share besides reviews? | 18:32 |
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| * hrybacki shakes his head | 18:34 | |
| lbragstad | cool - that should do it for all things "In Progress" | 18:34 |
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| lbragstad | next topic | 18:37 |
| lbragstad | #topic: next policy session | 18:37 |
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| cmurphy | o/ | 18:38 |
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| lbragstad | ayoung: had an idea for the next policy meeting, which is tomorrow | 18:38 |
| ayoung | Yeah. Should we walk through the Amazon IAM page to get a sense of what the other side is doing? | 18:38 |
| ayoung | It is quite elaborate, and will, I think, lead to a lot of questions about how we do stuff in the future | 18:39 |
| lbragstad | i like the idea | 18:39 |
| ayoung | If we have < 10 people, we can do Google Hangouts. I can also set up Bluejeans for a larger group if that is acceptable | 18:39 |
| lbragstad | i think a group exercise to go through it would be useful | 18:39 |
| hrybacki | ayoung +1 | 18:40 |
| ayoung | And we should not plan on getting through the whole thing at once, just gett started on it | 18:40 |
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| ayoung | and walk through a few use cases, like how a new user would get things done. | 18:40 |
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| lbragstad | ayoung: is a ML thread appropriate? | 18:40 |
| ayoung | might overwhelm if we do | 18:41 |
| ayoung | maybe a small group first time, something larger after that? | 18:41 |
| edmondsw | lbragstad ayoung I won't be able to make the policy mtg tomorrow | 18:41 |
| ayoung | plus...I only want people that are somewhat involved with implementing to think about it to start, as we might generate more work for ourselves han we can handle with the larger audience | 18:41 |
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| ayoung | edmondsw, have you worked with IAM in the past? | 18:42 |
| edmondsw | ayoung no | 18:42 |
| ayoung | Ah...well...we can postpone a couple weeks if we won't have a quorum. I'm out next week | 18:42 |
| ayoung | Or we could go tomorrow, and then someone that is there can walk through it with you later...I' | 18:43 |
| ayoung | d be happy to do a one on one with you say later on this week | 18:43 |
| hrybacki | ayoung: could we record the session? | 18:43 |
| edmondsw | or find another time that would work for everyone this week? | 18:43 |
| lbragstad | +1 | 18:43 |
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| lbragstad | ayoung: do you want to forward the info you have to the wider list or do you want me to? | 18:45 |
| lbragstad | or kmalloc to? | 18:45 |
| lbragstad | (if that is the next step) | 18:45 |
| * lbragstad is open to suggestions | 18:46 | |
| kmalloc | O/ | 18:46 |
| kmalloc | Back | 18:46 |
| ayoung | lbragstad, go for it. I'll be enabler, but you've been running this thus far | 18:46 |
| lbragstad | ayoung: ack | 18:47 |
| lbragstad | #action lbragstad to start openstack-dev thread for next policy meeting on IAM sessions | 18:47 |
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| lbragstad | ayoung: thanks for driving this | 18:49 |
| ayoung | My pleasure. I've been looking into it for my day job already | 18:49 |
| lbragstad | #topic open discussion | 18:50 |
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| hrybacki | We've officially lost jamie to other things :( | 18:50 |
| edmondsw | boo | 18:51 |
| lbragstad | :( | 18:51 |
| lbragstad | for those who haven't seen it yet | 18:52 |
| lbragstad | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-October/123001.html | 18:52 |
| ayoung | I blame btopol | 18:53 |
| hrybacki | Have not heard from him in awhile either! | 18:53 |
| lbragstad | jamie did ping me saying that he is going to be wrapping things up over the next few weeks | 18:54 |
| samueldmq | lbragstad: that's sad :/ | 18:54 |
| lbragstad | a big thanks to jamie for all he's done | 18:56 |
| edmondsw | amen | 18:56 |
| hrybacki | +1 | 18:56 |
| samueldmq | ++ | 18:57 |
| lbragstad | if there isn't anything else, we can get a few minutes back before office hours. | 18:57 |
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| hrybacki | nope | 18:58 |
| lbragstad | thanks for coming! | 18:58 |
| lbragstad | #endmeeting | 18:58 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 18:58 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Oct 3 18:58:49 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2017/keystone.2017-10-03-18.00.html | 18:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2017/keystone.2017-10-03-18.00.txt | 18:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2017/keystone.2017-10-03-18.00.log.html | 18:58 |
| hrybacki | o/ | 18:58 |
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| clarkb | hello infra team | 18:59 |
| clarkb | it is our regularly shceduled meeting time. I'll admit to not being very well prepared iwth all the zuulv3 related stuff that has happened recently | 19:00 |
| mlavalle | o/ | 19:00 |
| clarkb | I think I'll run this meeting like last time. Open it for any important items that may have been missed over the week and then close out so that we can get back to zuul | 19:00 |
| clarkb | #startmeeting infra | 19:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Oct 3 19:01:01 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is clarkb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:01 |
| ianw | o/ | 19:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'infra' | 19:01 |
| * mordred waves to the lovely people | 19:01 | |
| ianychoi | o/ | 19:01 |
| * fungi meets | 19:01 | |
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| * mordred meets | 19:01 | |
| * AJaeger meets mordred | 19:01 | |
| clarkb | #info Zuulv3 deployment is being rolled back to operate like a third party CI. Zuulv2 is now going to be gating for most projects while we sort out the issues we ran into with v3 | 19:01 |
| * mordred hands AJaeger meats | 19:01 | |
| clarkb | #topic Open Discussion | 19:02 |
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| AJaeger | yum... | 19:02 |
| clarkb | rather than stick to hard agenda, I'll open it to any important topics we've otherwise missed or ignored due to the zuulv3 transition | 19:02 |
| mordred | clarkb: there are other things in the world? | 19:02 |
| fungi | there is no world, only zuul | 19:02 |
| clarkb | certainly hasn't felt like it recently :) | 19:02 |
| clarkb | I'm traveling to seattle thursday-sunday for a conference | 19:03 |
| clarkb | Summit is coming up in a month | 19:03 |
| fungi | something something project update talk something something | 19:03 |
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| ianychoi | Aha.. | 19:03 |
| clarkb | fungi: my plan is to work on that after this weekend's conference | 19:04 |
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| ianychoi | clarkb, would you see https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/translate-dev-openstackid-issues and have comments on this? | 19:04 |
| fungi | clarkb: happy to pitch in, and i know pabelanger volunteered at one point as well | 19:04 |
| ianychoi | Also, I18n team would like to upgrade Zanata one more and it would be nice if https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-i18n/+spec/queens-zanata-upgrade will get more attention from Infra team. | 19:05 |
| clarkb | ianychoi: thank you for putting that together, I think that really helps illustrate the problem we are trying t osolve | 19:05 |
| mlavalle | clarkb: should we expect the new attempt to move to zuul v3 before the summit? or should we wait after the summit? | 19:05 |
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| clarkb | ianychoi: its likely we won't be able to give those items much attention until zuulv3 transition is done. But once that is done I'll be sure to put it on the list. | 19:05 |
| clarkb | ianychoi: at first glance the proposed solution for openstackid lgtm | 19:05 |
| clarkb | mlavalle: mordred say a week or two in his email, which would put it before the summit | 19:06 |
| ianychoi | clarkb, I see - thanks a lot! | 19:06 |
| clarkb | ianychoi: does it make sense to file an infra spec for the zanata upgrade? | 19:07 |
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| clarkb | ianychoi: I think that would help it get greater feedback from the infra side at least | 19:07 |
| ianychoi | clarkb, it would surely make sense :) | 19:07 |
| fungi | the recent gerrit upgrade spec probably makes for a good example/template to follow | 19:08 |
| clarkb | mlavalle: I odn't think we want to wait too long as double accounting job stuff would be unfun | 19:08 |
| fungi | (speaking of which, that can be moved to implemented now, right?_ | 19:08 |
| mlavalle | clarkb: just wanted to set my own expectation | 19:08 |
| clarkb | fungi: yes I think at this point it can be. All the issues I know about it except for occasional GCing that is annoying have been addressed | 19:08 |
| fungi | clarkb: oh, and the fallout for the requirements proposal job | 19:09 |
| clarkb | oh right that | 19:09 |
| clarkb | was it frickler that volunteered to work on that? | 19:09 |
| fungi | i don't think that's been tackled yet, but it's probably sane to consider that ongoing work and not block moving the spec to implemented | 19:09 |
| fungi | similarly, the contactstore removal spec can go into implemented now | 19:09 |
| clarkb | I thought I approved that one | 19:10 |
| fungi | oh, you did | 19:10 |
| fungi | we just didn't get the publish job run successfully i guess | 19:11 |
| AJaeger | if it was approved with zuul v3 - yes, most publish jobs are/were broken | 19:11 |
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| fungi | right, that's what i'm assuming happened | 19:12 |
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| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/509257 The Gerrit 2.13 upgrade is implemented | 19:13 |
| clarkb | alright, we're sort of in the middle of the zuulv3 rollback. Anything else urgent that needs to be brought up? | 19:13 |
| AJaeger | we should consider switching infra-specs and infra-manual to v3 as well to fix those jobs | 19:13 |
| clarkb | AJaeger: they would make good test cases, yes | 19:13 |
| ianychoi | fungi, thanks a lot for pointing gerrit 2.13 upgrade spec. I think it is a good example :) I will more do to write Zanata upgrade as a spec. | 19:13 |
| * AJaeger will propose a patch | 19:14 | |
| fungi | ianychoi: you're welcome--i look forward to reviewing it | 19:14 |
| ianychoi | :) | 19:15 |
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| mlavalle | clarkb: do you want to end the meeting? | 19:23 |
| clarkb | sorry ya got distracted byzuul :) | 19:23 |
| mlavalle | np | 19:23 |
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| clarkb | its been quiet here. If there is any thing else feel free to ping us in #openstack-infra or on the mailing list | 19:23 |
| clarkb | #endmeeting | 19:23 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Oct 3 19:23:58 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:24 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2017/infra.2017-10-03-19.01.html | 19:24 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2017/infra.2017-10-03-19.01.txt | 19:24 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2017/infra.2017-10-03-19.01.log.html | 19:24 |
| mlavalle | but someone might get pissed at the top the hour | 19:24 |
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| clarkb | ya, though anyone can end the meeting after an hour from the start of a meeting | 19:29 |
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| clarkb | we've definitely had this problem in the past so put ^ in place to mitigate it | 19:29 |
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| mlavalle | didn't know that | 19:32 |
| mlavalle | good to know | 19:32 |
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| fungi | reminder: no tc meeting this week, but we do have our second office hour of the week coming up at 01:00 in #openstack-tc if anyone's interested in joining | 20:10 |
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| oneswig | ready? | 21:00 |
| oneswig | #startmeeting scientific-wg | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Oct 3 21:00:34 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is oneswig. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'scientific_wg' | 21:00 |
| oneswig | hello | 21:00 |
| martial | hello Stig | 21:01 |
| oneswig | #link agenda for today https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Scientific_working_group#IRC_Meeting_October_3rd_2017 | 21:01 |
| oneswig | #chair martial | 21:01 |
| openstack | Current chairs: martial oneswig | 21:01 |
| oneswig | Good day Martial | 21:01 |
| * ildikov is lurking :) | 21:01 | |
| martial | Hello Ms Vansca :) | 21:01 |
| oneswig | Hi ildikov! | 21:01 |
| trandles | hello | 21:02 |
| ildikov | oneswig: martial: hi :) | 21:02 |
| oneswig | hey trandles | 21:02 |
| rbudden | hello | 21:02 |
| martial | thanks again for all the wonderful work and networking with the ORC people last week, truly appreciated | 21:02 |
| oneswig | hey bob | 21:02 |
| martial | Hi Tim, Robert :) | 21:02 |
| oneswig | ildikov: thanks for attending ORC | 21:03 |
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| oneswig | OK, ready to go? | 21:03 |
| oneswig | #topic Open Research Cloud: looking for volunteers to lead working groups | 21:03 |
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| ildikov | oneswig: martial: it was my pleasure, I always like to learn more about this community and that effort | 21:03 |
| martial | I guess the ORC is the first topic of conversation, Khalil was going to try to join tonight but is unable, so I will paste some content I wrote and let Tim and Ms Vansca add to | 21:03 |
| martial | First, what it is: The Open Research Cloud (ORC) is a collaboration of the international community supporting scientific research computing. Having recognized that a number of significant obstacles continue to interfere with the ability of globally dispersed researchers to effectively collaborate. It focuses on the federation of data, identity, security, shared compute and storage; and an interoperable cloud services management platform. | 21:03 |
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| martial | #link http://www.openresearchcloud.org/ | 21:04 |
| martial | The ORC just completed its second Congress hosted in Amsterdam last week, started to collect and curate the draft declaration | 21:04 |
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| martial | #link https://docs.google.com/a/datamachines.io/document/d/1nqlaFOWUX8jbmlGsDRCigVphaapaQl5M5C3kHS1VJOo/edit?usp=sharing | 21:04 |
| martial | (the above link is a copy as of 2017/10/02 and read-only) | 21:04 |
| martial | In particular, the ORC is looking to undertand what are the fundamental requirements needed to create a succesful effort | 21:04 |
| martial | ^ this in particular is important for people interested in helping | 21:05 |
| martial | The ORC is looking for individuals to volunteer and to get involved in its Working Groups by committing time to some specific working groups where they feel their expertise will be well utilized. | 21:05 |
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| martial | For examples: conversations and communications on the topics of Identity, access to data (granting, provisioning, authentication), and the use of computing resources (allowing access to, data locality). | 21:05 |
| martial | To do so, please add contact Khalil Yazdi <khalilyazdi@outlook.com> or Enol Fernández <enol.fernandez@egi.eu> and sign up for any and all group email lists here: | 21:05 |
| martial | #link https://groups.google.com/a/openresearchcloud.org/forum/#!forumsearch/ | 21:05 |
| martial | (end of paste) | 21:06 |
| martial | I was discussing the outreach with Khalil yesterday | 21:06 |
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| martial | and I plan to post this to our SWG ML as well as ask people who are interested to share it | 21:06 |
| martial | Tim / Ms Vansca, anything to add re:ORC? | 21:07 |
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| ildikov | martial: thank you, I think this is a great summary | 21:07 |
| oneswig | martial: I think that's a good idea to widen the discussion | 21:07 |
| trandles | not really from me, I'm just pinging folks trying to get some more potential stakeholders engaged | 21:07 |
| martial | thanks Tim, this is very useful | 21:08 |
| ildikov | the effort is growing global and the intent is to involve more people and organizations from Asia and Australia as well onwards | 21:08 |
| martial | I will work with Khalil on finalizing the language and provide a version of this text to share | 21:08 |
| oneswig | how can ORC build upon, and get momentum from other projects in this area? Was that discussed in Amsterdam? | 21:08 |
| ildikov | the plan is also to have a draft by the time of the Summit and the next Congress currently planned for Sydney | 21:09 |
| martial | this was discussed more I think at the conversation we had yesterday on the phone, but yes, they want to expand, and they hope to have the expertise and volunteer | 21:09 |
| martial | one of the big plan is to make more an International ORC Organization | 21:10 |
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| martial | (the first and last words are important) | 21:10 |
| martial | we have weekly teleconferences at 11am EST on Mondays | 21:11 |
| ildikov | there is another thing that I heard much last week in the room, which was to get big commercial providers into the room | 21:11 |
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| trandles | As far as I know only Microsoft has been active in ORC | 21:12 |
| ildikov | trandles: that was my take from last week as well | 21:12 |
| oneswig | ildikov: what's in it for them? Abstracting the cloud supplier might be against their interests | 21:13 |
| martial | Box and Cisco also presented their solutions | 21:13 |
| ildikov | oneswig: there were comments like the researchers should spend time on research as opposed to managing infra in 90% of their time | 21:14 |
| martial | I think it will have to come to similar term as the OpenStack foundation when a legal status is created: you plan to release the work to the foundation (or whatever status the ORC end up having) | 21:14 |
| jmlowe | The first meeting was very vendor heavy in Boston | 21:14 |
| ildikov | oneswig: I'm also less aware on where funding structures are evolving in the future | 21:14 |
| oneswig | ildikov: show us the money, lebowski... | 21:15 |
| ildikov | I didn't mean to throw a rock into the lake, but I felt to mention this as something I heard multiple times during the two days | 21:15 |
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| jmlowe | To a large degree for US researchers the funding agencies, which have not been participating, decide what resources researchers use | 21:15 |
| ildikov | oneswig: lol, I've just got introduced to that nice piece of art this summer :) | 21:15 |
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| oneswig | ildikov: nice! | 21:16 |
| martial | can not fault that and we are trying to figure this structure as we form the declaration and the groups | 21:16 |
| oneswig | brb | 21:16 |
| ildikov | jmlowe: so it can be on that side whether there's a policy for open source or they will go with any (specific) vendor? | 21:16 |
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| martial | ildikov: my belief is that it will have to grow into a sharing agreement between collaborating partners | 21:17 |
| martial | ildikov: kind of like the OpenStack terms | 21:17 |
| martial | (for contributing) | 21:18 |
| ildikov | martial: that sounds reasonable as much as I can see this area | 21:18 |
| jmlowe | Well, the funding agency could put that policy in place, but the program officers need to be engaged | 21:18 |
| flanders_ | +1 | 21:18 |
| ildikov | there are also activities where we can join and emphasize collaboration by having a broad forum as for the declaration itself | 21:19 |
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| ildikov | jmlowe: thanks for clarifying | 21:19 |
| martial | jmlowe + flanders_: we are looking at forming the working groups as it is, firming the declaration, and creating a legal entity to represent the effort | 21:19 |
| martial | ildikov: I look forward to seeing this happen | 21:20 |
| ildikov | martial: me too | 21:20 |
| ildikov | martial: let me know how I can help | 21:20 |
| martial | so to sum it up, if you are interested in seeing this happen, I would ecnourage you to contact Khalil and Enol and/or join the mailing list or weekly teleconference | 21:20 |
| martial | Khalil Yazdi <khalilyazdi@outlook.com> or Enol Fernández <enol.fernandez@egi.eu> | 21:21 |
| flanders_ | Is Wilfred still a chair? | 21:21 |
| martial | https://groups.google.com/a/openresearchcloud.org/forum/#!forumsearch/ | 21:21 |
| martial | flanders_ : I believe so | 21:21 |
| oneswig | More to add here? | 21:22 |
| martial | There is a planning meeting for the Sydney Summit and ORC next week | 21:23 |
| martial | flanders_? | 21:23 |
| martial | I know it is 2am EST :) | 21:24 |
| martial | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/open-cloud-declaration-sydney | 21:24 |
| ildikov | I have invites in my calendar, which indeed don't seem US friendly :) | 21:25 |
| flanders_ | We've yet to agree a room for this activity and need to decide if it happens at the summit or request susceptible from UTS. Pending format of event. NB it shouldn't pull away from scientific-wg activities imho. | 21:25 |
| ildikov | flanders_: +1 | 21:25 |
| flanders_ | Susceptible=rooms | 21:25 |
| martial | flanders_: I know you will keep us in the loop, and that some of us will attend :) | 21:26 |
| ildikov | flanders_: assuming there are some activities during the Summit/Forum it would be great to have either less overlap or co-located space | 21:26 |
| flanders_ | Please do let me know if you would like me to add you to calendar item :) | 21:26 |
| flanders_ | Thanks martial | 21:27 |
| martial | my personal concern is that they both overlap heavily | 21:27 |
| flanders_ | +1 though coming at it from top-down vs bottom-up? | 21:27 |
| martial | (the ORC / Summit) | 21:27 |
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| martial | stig, we ought to move to the next item, still | 21:28 |
| oneswig | martial: lets do that | 21:28 |
| ildikov | martial: flanders_: I will send out a reminder to the ORC list when we have the Forum schedule out to further encourage collaboration | 21:28 |
| ildikov | oneswig: yep, we can move on :) | 21:29 |
| oneswig | #topic Discussion - a convention for image names between federated clouds | 21:29 |
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| martial | ildikov thank you Ms Vansca | 21:29 |
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| flanders_ | Thanks ildikov | 21:29 |
| trandles | well, this next topic sounds like something that's perfect for the ORC declaration :P | 21:29 |
| oneswig | ok, I had a side-discussion with Kalle Happonen as a part of the ORC meeting | 21:30 |
| ildikov | trandles: +1 :) | 21:30 |
| oneswig | He said, their group at CSC in Finland found a pain point was inconsistency on simple stuff like image naming between clouds | 21:30 |
| oneswig | So they thought of putting a stake in the ground and saying, "heres your standard CentOS image" and "heres your standard Ubuntu image', etc | 21:31 |
| oneswig | #link The CSC proposal for a convention on image naming https://github.com/CSCfi/CloudImageRecommendations | 21:31 |
| oneswig | it's a punctuation mark or so from most people's naming, so why not harmonise? | 21:32 |
| oneswig | Or even harmonize, for the Americans :-) | 21:32 |
| clarkb | keep in mind that that naming scheme doesn't work with how many clouds want to do it at least in the public space (they like timestampingthem and it causes allthe problems as a user) | 21:33 |
| trandles | We've found that simple base image naming is an easy one to solve, much like that document describes. It gets hairy when folks build images for/with specific complex applications installed. | 21:33 |
| oneswig | The question for me is, is this a human-level construct? | 21:33 |
| oneswig | clarkb: that's true, we timestamp all the n-1 editions of our images. | 21:34 |
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| trandles | and it's a discussion (bordering on religious war) when folks start to discuss how to handle image versioning and curating | 21:34 |
| trandles | whether it's timestamping or some other meta-metric | 21:35 |
| oneswig | but not the nth, latest. I was questioning our rationale but seems to make sense | 21:35 |
| oneswig | trandles: agreed - "lets all do something together" works so long as everyone believes it's their thing we'll all be doing... | 21:36 |
| clarkb | we;ve also discovered that an ubuntu 16.04 here and one over there are often significntly different | 21:36 |
| clarkb | hardware enablement kernels here not there, etc | 21:36 |
| clarkb | (so we just build and ship our own images now) | 21:36 |
| martial | oneswig: this is when I want to be a "funding agency" and say ... "fix it" | 21:36 |
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| trandles | clarkb: +1 - just because we agree on "centos-7" doesn't and shouldn't imply equivalency | 21:37 |
| oneswig | clarkb: obvious now you've said it, but I hadn't considered that. Good point. | 21:37 |
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| trandles | not to air too much dirty laundry, but when the emacs user found out that "centos-7" only included vi, feelings were hurt | 21:38 |
| martial | trandles: this is why centos is dead to me ;) | 21:38 |
| oneswig | trandles: ouch. Suspect it went super-critical? | 21:39 |
| martial | but joking aside (emacs power), tim is right about this kind of things being religious wars ... fast | 21:39 |
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| trandles | oneswig: not that bad, but it could have spiraled if one side didn't just give in | 21:40 |
| oneswig | We add properties to our images, I wonder if that's enough to get a first-order approximation of consistency? | 21:40 |
| oneswig | trandles: you mean the emacs user said "hey, vi's actually pretty good", right? | 21:40 |
| trandles | oneswig: haha, sure ;) | 21:40 |
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| oneswig | It's the kind of discussion at an OpenStack level where I wonder if ORC could widen to other cloud infrastructure. | 21:41 |
| martial | oneswig: the ORC was planned as cloud agnostic, so hopefully yes | 21:42 |
| trandles | the combinatorics on the distro packages is too big, properties might not be rich enough to describe the level of detail people might want, maybe <gasp> centers should be prepared to document their images in some standard way | 21:42 |
| oneswig | OK, I thought I'd throw that one out there | 21:42 |
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| ildikov | oneswig: I think that would be part of the idea there, yes | 21:43 |
| oneswig | I think there's a discussion to be had. I think EGI do this across multiple infrastructures, for example. | 21:43 |
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| trandles | perhaps ORC should define a metadata field for images that is a hyperlink to documentation for that image | 21:43 |
| oneswig | trandles: interesting idea. A layer of indirection | 21:44 |
| martial | trandles: we are always interested in people participating in the Working Groups. so this is a great idea to share on the ML | 21:44 |
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| oneswig | OK, we should move on | 21:45 |
| oneswig | #topic Cloud for Science and Engineering - new book and resource portal | 21:45 |
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| oneswig | Not much to cover here: I put a chapter on OpenStack into a book on cloud for scientific compute. | 21:45 |
| oneswig | The nice thing is, the authors have created a website and portal so the book becomes like a 'living document' | 21:46 |
| oneswig | #link cloud for science and engineering https://cloud4scieng.org/ | 21:46 |
| ildikov | oneswig: that sounds pretty cool :) | 21:46 |
| oneswig | Hopefully we can all enjoy people's additions here :-) | 21:47 |
| martial | congratulations | 21:47 |
| oneswig | thanks martial :-) | 21:47 |
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| oneswig | I think the book has only just come out - you can download it digitallly for free from that site. | 21:48 |
| oneswig | Has a lovely retro TeX feel | 21:48 |
| oneswig | OK, lets move on | 21:48 |
| oneswig | #link OpenStack-OpenHPC project code published | 21:49 |
| oneswig | #item OpenStack-OpenHPC project code published | 21:49 |
| oneswig | I mean... | 21:49 |
| oneswig | #topic OpenStack-OpenHPC project code published | 21:49 |
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| oneswig | late in the day... | 21:49 |
| ildikov | oneswig: I'm with you on that! | 21:49 |
| oneswig | Even later for you I guess? | 21:49 |
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| oneswig | #link OpenHPC / OpenStack on Github https://github.com/hpc-cloud-toolkit/ostack-hpc | 21:50 |
| oneswig | The team at Intel who have presented previously on this have released their code | 21:50 |
| ildikov | oneswig: yep, one hour ahead | 21:50 |
| oneswig | First seen (by me) last November at the IU booth at SC, thanks to jmlowe | 21:51 |
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| jmlowe | Yes, they are giving an update in our booth at sc this year | 21:51 |
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| oneswig | There's an opportunity here to get all the OpenHPC + OpenStack efforts out there under one roof | 21:51 |
| jmlowe | along with lustre mounting in openstack vm's | 21:51 |
| oneswig | So get your PRs in :-) | 21:51 |
| oneswig | jmlowe: is that from the LUG workshop at IU earlier in the summer? | 21:52 |
| rbudden | jmlowe: +1, i have some ongoing work for potentially Lustre/Manilla | 21:52 |
| hogepodge | hi everybody! (52 minutes late... conflicting meeting) | 21:53 |
| jmlowe | I think we have the 11:00am Tuesday slot in our booth, need to double check | 21:53 |
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| oneswig | Hi hogepodge - damn those 52-minute meetings | 21:53 |
| oneswig | rbudden: jmlowe: have you seen this presentation https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1kGRzcdVQX95abei1bDVoRzxyC02i89_m5_sOfp8Aq6o/edit#slide=id.p3 | 21:53 |
| trandles | hogepodge: -1 I'm in here, on a concall, and listening to a webex (and have very little idea what's going on in any of them) | 21:54 |
| rbudden | oneswig: i have not, will check it out | 21:54 |
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| hogepodge | trandles: I was on a concall too, but it was a really exciting meeting. The michael bay transformers of meetings. :-) | 21:54 |
| trandles | LENS FLARE | 21:54 |
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| oneswig | ?? | 21:55 |
| jmlowe | oneswig: I have not, thanks, btw I'm totally stealing your ligo hook from your CSCS talk when rbudden and I go visit trandles in two weeks | 21:55 |
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| oneswig | jmlowe: get in there, nobel prize winners and all now :-) | 21:55 |
| oneswig | How come you're heading to Arizona? | 21:56 |
| oneswig | Or New Mexico I guess? | 21:56 |
| jmlowe | oneswig: I may need your cheesiest head shot to give you credit on a slide | 21:56 |
| hogepodge | sorry to drop this in at the last minute, but I need mailing address for stickers and eventual mailing address (hotel I'm guessing) for books for SuperComputing (Denise and Kathy approve this message) | 21:56 |
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| oneswig | hogepodge: Can they be addressed to a booth? | 21:56 |
| rbudden | hogepodge: you can send them to PSC or IU or both | 21:57 |
| jmlowe | oneswig: trandles has some directors wanting an overview of cloud computing | 21:57 |
| martial | hogepodge: I will email you my info | 21:57 |
| oneswig | Seems sketcy | 21:57 |
| hogepodge | Stickers are lighter and can be carried by hand, so we want to send them out earlier. | 21:57 |
| jmlowe | hogepodge: what rbudden said | 21:57 |
| hogepodge | Books will come from the publisher or our warehouse, and are better timed for the event. But I think we can try to do both in one shipment. I'll check. | 21:57 |
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| trandles | oneswig: as far as jmlowe and rbudden know, the invite to LANL is totally on the up-and-up | 21:58 |
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| jmlowe | this does sound a bit like the wind up for a horror movie | 22:00 |
| oneswig | OK better close up for the week - on that happy note :-) | 22:00 |
| oneswig | jmlowe: next time, you'll have added bit errors | 22:01 |
| martial | good meeting :) | 22:01 |
| oneswig | #endmeeting | 22:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Oct 3 22:01:15 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_wg/2017/scientific_wg.2017-10-03-21.00.html | 22:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_wg/2017/scientific_wg.2017-10-03-21.00.txt | 22:01 |
| oneswig | Thanks y'all | 22:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_wg/2017/scientific_wg.2017-10-03-21.00.log.html | 22:01 |
| hogepodge | thanks everybody. amazing meeting! ;-) | 22:01 |
| rbudden | thanks everyone! | 22:01 |
| trandles | later folks | 22:01 |
| ildikov | thanks everyone! | 22:01 |
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| flanders_ | o/ | 22:05 |
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