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| zhiyuan | hi | 01:00 |
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| ztang | hi | 01:00 |
| song | good morning everyone! | 01:00 |
| zhiyuan | morning, song | 01:00 |
| RongHui11 | hi~ | 01:00 |
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| ztang | Song, pls introduce whole works of our team in TriCircle in the past week. | 01:01 |
| song | hello I am song from szzt. last week we join the openstack tricircle project.and we are right now working on the tricircle qos test case | 01:01 |
| zhiyuan | shall we wait for joe and yipei a bit? | 01:02 |
| song | good | 01:02 |
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| zhiyuan | yipei has joined | 01:04 |
| Yipei | hi zhiyuan | 01:04 |
| zhiyuan | hi yipei | 01:04 |
| zhiyuan | #startmeeting tricircle | 01:04 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Sep 27 01:04:41 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is zhiyuan. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 01:04 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 01:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: tricircle)" | 01:04 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tricircle' | 01:04 |
| zhiyuan | at first, just to remind that we have merged an urgent patch for the smoke test: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/507340/ | 01:05 |
| patchbot | patch 507340 - tricircle - [Urgent] Add domain infor in smoke test (MERGED) | 01:05 |
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| ztang | Last week, Song, zeng you, Yaguang, Xiaohai have join TriCircle. They have finished the compile of the source code in their local envionment. | 01:06 |
| zhiyuan | if your patch failed to pass the smoke test, please do a rebase or recheck | 01:06 |
| RongHui11 | got it and thank zhiyuan so much for fix this problem | 01:07 |
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| zhiyuan | to ztang, so they have started the devstack environment with tricircle? | 01:08 |
| song | yes | 01:08 |
| song | our szzt team are working on the qos test | 01:08 |
| zhiyuan | cool, any problem found during the environment setup? | 01:09 |
| RongHui11 | help to complete the qos smoke test :) | 01:09 |
| song | because of the fire wall it not ease to environment setup | 01:09 |
| ztang | Song, please introduce the whole works of our team in TriCircle in the past week. I hope everyone can have a specific module division in this project. | 01:09 |
| zxh | hi,I am xiaohan zhang from szzt,nice to meet everyone! | 01:09 |
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| song | we have set up the dev environment and plan to finish all the qos test case this week. | 01:10 |
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| ztang | Very well | 01:12 |
| zhiyuan | to song, there are two parts of works for the smoke test. (1) modify devstack/plugin.sh to automatically setup the environment with qos enabled (2) write a yaml file to define the test | 01:12 |
| song | yes,thank you for help. we have read the source code of the tricircle test. | 01:13 |
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| song | but we have a little question about the test environment. | 01:14 |
| zhiyuan | please | 01:14 |
| song | it is the test environment have fix machine. | 01:14 |
| ztang | to zhiyuan, four new developers have joined to finish the QoS module. | 01:14 |
| ztang | Song is in the Top 50 contributors for CEPH in the world. | 01:16 |
| xuzhuang | sorry for late, (can't connet to freenode this morning) | 01:16 |
| zhiyuan | great, this can significantly speed up the development! | 01:16 |
| song | we do not clear about the test environment such as the ip and net,are these all changeless. | 01:17 |
| song | to ztang yes i am working on ceph in before new to openstack. | 01:17 |
| zhiyuan | openstack CI will schedule some virtual machines to run the test | 01:18 |
| song | but out team have other peoples all good at in openstack. | 01:18 |
| song | to zhiyuan oh got it.thank you ! | 01:18 |
| song | we found the doc for tricircle devlop is a little few, do we plan to add more doc for develop | 01:20 |
| zhiyuan | you can refer to tricircle/tempestplugin/gate_hook.sh to see how to obtain the IP, if necessary | 01:20 |
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| song | to zhiyuan i will set if after the meeting. thanks again. | 01:21 |
| zhiyuan | yes, we lack a doc for how to write yaml definition, but we have a spec: https://github.com/openstack/tricircle/blob/master/specs/pike/smoke-test-engine.rst | 01:22 |
| zhiyuan | which can be linked somewhere in our doc | 01:22 |
| song | i have read the specs.to write yaml it is really a good idea. | 01:22 |
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| zhiyuan | one thing to mention, currently the smoke test only validate whether the resources have been correctly created in local neutron, we don't login the VM to ping other VMs, to test real data plane connectiviry | 01:25 |
| zhiyuan | s/connectiviry/connectivity | 01:25 |
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| RongHui11 | got it | 01:26 |
| zhiyuan | so you can see that the "validate" task just list resources in local neutron then check their attributes | 01:27 |
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| song | do we have the test interface to do that? if not add one for all the test case to use. | 01:29 |
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| zhiyuan | no, currently we don't have such interface. need to see how this is implemented in tempest | 01:30 |
| song | oh,got it. i think the interface it is need to add. maybe in the local neuron is ok. but it is not really ok. | 01:32 |
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| zhiyuan | yes, that's possible | 01:33 |
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| song | i also have a little question about the pr.it is that ok to put the test code and source code in diff pr? | 01:37 |
| zhiyuan | ?? tricircle repos contains both source and test | 01:38 |
| song | oh got it because we have diff people to finish the work. | 01:39 |
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| zhiyuan | you can put the feature implementation in one patch, and test in another patch that depends on the former one | 01:40 |
| zhiyuan | how about the lbaas feature, yipei? I see your reply in the mail list, so michael's reply doesn't solve your problem? | 01:41 |
| song | to zhiyuan oh thank sir.got it. | 01:41 |
| Yipei | no, it doesn't | 01:41 |
| Yipei | i tried his solution to verify whether the route table is correct | 01:42 |
| Yipei | it is correct in my env | 01:43 |
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| zhiyuan | how the amphorae image is generated? | 01:45 |
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| Yipei | it is generated by octavia itself during installation | 01:46 |
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| zhiyuan | hmm, seems like the problem of haproxy | 01:49 |
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| zhiyuan | very strange | 01:49 |
| johnsom | Yipei maybe I mis-understood the scenario. Can you reply with a set of reproduction instructions? | 01:49 |
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| johnsom | I will try to reproduce it again | 01:50 |
| Yipei | ok, sure | 01:50 |
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| Yipei | to johnsom, in the mailing-list or here? | 01:51 |
| johnsom | Mailing list would be best, or etherpad and post the link in the lbaas channel | 01:52 |
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| Yipei | ok, got it, thank you, johnsom | 01:52 |
| johnsom | Sure, I will try to help | 01:52 |
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| Yipei | i will send a mail in the mailing list | 01:54 |
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| zhiyuan | any other topics to discuss? | 01:55 |
| Yipei | no | 01:55 |
| xuzhuang | for default security group update, i have write the first version code(not test). But I'm | 01:55 |
| xuzhuang | puzzled about how to test xjob, i'm looking a solution. | 01:55 |
| zhiyuan | if the job fails, you can stop xjob, do some midification, then restart xjob | 01:57 |
| zhiyuan | xjob will re-run the failed job | 01:57 |
| xuzhuang | for default sg update, could you give me some advice(or some example) about how to use xjob and how to test | 01:57 |
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| zhiyuan | configure_security_group_rules in xmanager.py is used to sync security group rules | 01:58 |
| xuzhuang | enen | 01:59 |
| zhiyuan | after sg update, you can call the rpc api in common/xrpcapi.py | 01:59 |
| zhiyuan | there is a function with the same name | 02:00 |
| xuzhuang | yeah, I am using this solution | 02:01 |
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| zhiyuan | then xjob can be informed to run the job | 02:01 |
| zhiyuan | oh, time's up | 02:02 |
| xuzhuang | yeah, thanks | 02:02 |
| zhiyuan | let's end our meeting, thanks for attending | 02:03 |
| zhiyuan | #endmeeting | 02:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 02:03 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Sep 27 02:03:45 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 02:03 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2017/tricircle.2017-09-27-01.04.html | 02:03 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2017/tricircle.2017-09-27-01.04.txt | 02:03 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2017/tricircle.2017-09-27-01.04.log.html | 02:03 |
| zhiyuan | bye | 02:03 |
| xuzhuang | bye | 02:04 |
| Yipei | bye | 02:04 |
| joehuang | bye | 02:04 |
| song | bye | 02:06 |
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| gongysh | #startmeeing tacker | 04:32 |
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| gongysh | #startmeeing tacker | 04:32 |
| gongysh | where is the meeting robot? | 04:33 |
| YanXing_an | o/ | 04:33 |
| longkb_ | o/ | 04:33 |
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| gongysh | #startmeeing tacker | 04:33 |
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| diga | gongysh: startmeeting spelling | 04:33 |
| diga | :) | 04:33 |
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| gongysh | #startmeeting tacker | 04:33 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Sep 27 04:33:59 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gongysh. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 04:34 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 04:34 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: tacker)" | 04:34 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tacker' | 04:34 |
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| gongysh | diga, thanks | 04:34 |
| YanXing_an | o/ | 04:34 |
| diga | gongysh: :) NP | 04:34 |
| phuoc_ | o/ | 04:34 |
| gongysh | the new mac pro's keyboard is wierd. | 04:34 |
| longkb_ | o/ | 04:34 |
| MinWookKim | o/ | 04:34 |
| diga | o/ | 04:34 |
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| gongysh | Today, we will have a short meeting. | 04:35 |
| gongysh | #topic bp | 04:35 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "bp (Meeting topic: tacker)" | 04:35 | |
| gongysh | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/501792/ | 04:36 |
| patchbot | patch 501792 - tacker-specs - Support Kubernetes as VIM in Tacker | 04:36 |
| gongysh | phuoc_, hi | 04:36 |
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| phuoc_ | gongysh, hi | 04:36 |
| gongysh | I have a comment about the NFV resource template using k8s template. | 04:36 |
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| phuoc_ | I saw it | 04:36 |
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| gongysh | I think we should still use previous nfv resource template, and do k8s translator. | 04:37 |
| gongysh | so that we can have a unified tosca template for both vnf and c-vnf. | 04:37 |
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| phuoc_ | but currently, K8s translator is not implemented | 04:37 |
| gongysh | phuoc_, we should have it in our own project. | 04:38 |
| phuoc_ | and there are some problems | 04:38 |
| gongysh | I mean implement the translator our own at tacker repo. | 04:38 |
| phuoc_ | example Kubernetes have many templates for their resources | 04:38 |
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| phuoc_ | I want to do it but it have many issues need to figure out | 04:38 |
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| phuoc_ | I will contact to mr Sidhar and find the good solution for it | 04:39 |
| gongysh | phuoc_, this is the way we should do. please consider refactoring the spec. | 04:39 |
| phuoc_ | gongysh, I got it | 04:39 |
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| phuoc_ | IMO, Tacker should implement c-VNFM for managing c-VNF | 04:40 |
| longkb_ | Hi, about the bp https://review.openstack.org/#/c/502216/ | 04:40 |
| patchbot | patch 502216 - tacker-specs - Enabling VNF high availability deployment and man... | 04:40 |
| gongysh | longkb_, welcome to tacker meeting | 04:40 |
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| longkb_ | I and xuan0802 want to enable HA for VNF deployment | 04:40 |
| gongysh | to promote the spec, you need active involvement. | 04:40 |
| longkb_ | We make a comparision between some direction https://docs.google.com/document/u/1/d/1lNezvekxTs4wDjCtfdpPkVZfUuLcPSBzExPV1lpT2d4/edit?usp=sharing | 04:41 |
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| longkb_ | could you guy put a comment on the Google docs file :) | 04:41 |
| gongysh | and do you have any idea about how to implement it? | 04:41 |
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| longkb_ | I plant to deploy the VNF as Active-Active or Active-standby redundancy model :) | 04:43 |
| gongysh | longkb_, even with your proposal, you will need a poc implement to get the spec merged. | 04:44 |
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| gongysh | longkb_, It is good to have it implemented in tacker repo which will allow us to have great control. | 04:46 |
| longkb_ | Ok. I will try to make a code for review ASAP. | 04:46 |
| gongysh | longkb_, the spec's idea is itself fine. | 04:46 |
| longkb_ | Thanks gongysh :) | 04:47 |
| MinWookKim | Hello, Please could you see a comment on my blueprint?https://review.openstack.org/#/c/505466/ | 04:47 |
| patchbot | patch 505466 - tacker-specs - Zabbix Plugin for Application Monitoring in Tacker... | 04:47 |
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| gongysh | MinWookKim, hi | 04:48 |
| gongysh | welcome into tacker | 04:48 |
| MinWookKim | gongysh, Hello :) | 04:49 |
| YanXing_an | MinWookKim, welcome | 04:49 |
| gongysh | YanXing_an, could you track this spec? | 04:49 |
| MinWookKim | YanXing_an, Hello :) | 04:49 |
| longkb_ | Welcome to Tacker, MinwooKim :) | 04:49 |
| MinWookKim | longkb_, Hello Nice to meet you :) | 04:50 |
| gongysh | YanXing_an, helo | 04:50 |
| YanXing_an | gongsh, ok, i will review this patch these days | 04:50 |
| diga | MinWookKim: Welcome to Tacker! | 04:50 |
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| MinWookKim | diga, Hello thanks a lot :) | 04:50 |
| gongysh | #topic document | 04:51 |
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| gongysh | as you know, we will have to manage our document since the refactor of openstack doc. | 04:51 |
| gongysh | so you guys can find time to write document about tacker. | 04:52 |
| gongysh | I have two patched merged: 1. to install tacker via kolla, 2. separate tacker with target vim. | 04:52 |
| YanXing_an | MinWookKim, it's useful to monitor vnf at app level | 04:53 |
| gongysh | next will be 1. openstack target vim installation in kolla way. | 04:53 |
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| gongysh | 2. tacker horizon usage | 04:53 |
| gongysh | if you guys are interested in these tasks, you can pick. | 04:54 |
| MinWookKim | YanXing_an, Thanks a lot. I will improve this proposal | 04:54 |
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| gongysh | #topic open discussion | 04:55 |
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| gongysh | YanXing_an, I forgot your bp: ns with vnffg | 04:55 |
| phuoc_ | gongysh: for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/505602/, I think we should merge it soon | 04:56 |
| patchbot | patch 505602 - tacker - Index block_storage_usage_guide doc | 04:56 |
| YanXing_an | gongysh, i am writing the specs about indirect mode vnf and VeVnfm reference point, ns-vnffg is still coding | 04:56 |
| diga | gongysh: we need sometime for writing spec, because there is lot of study involved in indirect vnf feature | 04:58 |
| gongysh | YanXing_an, diga yes | 04:58 |
| diga | gongysh: i believe we will cordinate in between and will come up with base spec till next meeting | 04:58 |
| diga | gongysh: because there are lot of thing are unclear yet, need to investigate more | 04:59 |
| diga | gongysh: this is large feature | 05:00 |
| YanXing_an | yeah | 05:01 |
| gongysh | agree | 05:01 |
| diga | gongysh: I appreciate YanXing_an for his thought to proposing this feature | 05:01 |
| gongysh | YanXing_an, but please make the essential feature work first. ns vnffg | 05:02 |
| YanXing_an | gongysh, ok, got it | 05:03 |
| gongysh | anything else? | 05:03 |
| gongysh | 30 secs count down | 05:04 |
| diga | nothing from my side | 05:04 |
| phuoc_ | we should check it https://review.openstack.org/#/c/505602/ | 05:04 |
| patchbot | patch 505602 - tacker - Index block_storage_usage_guide doc | 05:04 |
| gongysh | phuoc_, have commented. | 05:05 |
| phuoc_ | user can have doc and use block storage in Tacker :) | 05:05 |
| phuoc_ | gongysh, my mistake :) | 05:05 |
| gongysh | ok. if nothing, we can end today's meeting. please make active contribution. thanks | 05:06 |
| gongysh | #endmeeting | 05:06 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Sep 27 05:06:20 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 05:06 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2017/tacker.2017-09-27-04.33.html | 05:06 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2017/tacker.2017-09-27-04.33.txt | 05:06 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2017/tacker.2017-09-27-04.33.log.html | 05:06 |
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| oneswig | #startmeeting scientific-wg | 11:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Sep 27 11:00:54 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is oneswig. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 11:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 11:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: scientific-wg)" | 11:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'scientific_wg' | 11:00 |
| oneswig | ahoy there | 11:01 |
| daveholland | o/ | 11:01 |
| oneswig | #link Agenda for today https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Scientific_working_group#IRC_Meeting_September_27th_2017 | 11:01 |
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| oneswig | Hi daveholland, thought you were on holiday? | 11:01 |
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| oneswig | btw what is your job title, for attribution purposes? | 11:01 |
| daveholland | I wish ;) | 11:01 |
| martial_ | good morning | 11:01 |
| oneswig | Hi martial_ | 11:02 |
| oneswig | #chair martial_ | 11:02 |
| openstack | Current chairs: martial_ oneswig | 11:02 |
| daveholland | "Principal Systems Administrator" (I think that's an anagram of "dogsbody") | 11:02 |
| b1airo | allo | 11:02 |
| oneswig | OK, thanks, noted | 11:02 |
| martial_ | #chair b1airo | 11:02 |
| openstack | Current chairs: b1airo martial_ oneswig | 11:02 |
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| martial_ | morning Blair | 11:02 |
| johnthetubaguy | o/ | 11:02 |
| oneswig | hi b1airo, morning | 11:02 |
| oneswig | Hi johnthetubaguy :-) | 11:02 |
| * johnthetubaguy waves back at oneswig | 11:02 | |
| b1airo | evening :-) | 11:02 |
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| martial_ | b1airo: we will get to play in your timezone sandbox soon hopefully :) | 11:03 |
| oneswig | OK - on which subject.... | 11:03 |
| b1airo | oneswig, johnthetubaguy - are you guys waving at each other from opposite desks now? | 11:03 |
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| oneswig | #topic Sydney hackathon | 11:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Sydney hackathon (Meeting topic: scientific-wg)" | 11:03 | |
| oneswig | b1airo: only virtually :-) | 11:03 |
| martial_ | oneswig: what about the hackaton? :) | 11:04 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, multiple chat tools maybe | 11:04 |
| oneswig | Saw him yesterday at OpenStack UK though! | 11:04 |
| oneswig | Ah, yes. The hackathon. Is looking for mentors and supporters. Its the weekend before the summit, starting Friday 3pm (in Sydney) | 11:04 |
| b1airo | ICQ 4eva! | 11:04 |
| oneswig | #link http://hackathon.openstack.org.au/mentors/ | 11:05 |
| oneswig | Also seems to mention "Mentors will also receive a free pass to the Sydney OpenStack Summit" | 11:05 |
| oneswig | just leaving that htere | 11:05 |
| martial_ | oneswig: yes I confirm | 11:05 |
| oneswig | martial_: are you a mentor? | 11:06 |
| b1airo | heh, i'll ping a couple of people that might be good candidates if they are in the country at the time | 11:06 |
| b1airo | unfortunately it won't work for me, can't get to Sydney until Sunday evening | 11:06 |
| oneswig | You and Wojciech too! :-) | 11:07 |
| martial_ | oneswig: I registered to be one, and David put me in contact with the lead mentor | 11:07 |
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| martial_ | oneswig: are you still judging? | 11:07 |
| oneswig | I have not heard confirmation on that but am assuming I'll be involved somewhere | 11:08 |
| oneswig | Should be fun :-) | 11:08 |
| martial_ | sounds fun to me, indeed :) | 11:09 |
| oneswig | OK, move on? | 11:09 |
| oneswig | #topic Open Research Cloud | 11:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Research Cloud (Meeting topic: scientific-wg)" | 11:09 | |
| oneswig | next ORC meeting starts about now in Amsterdam. | 11:09 |
| martial_ | well they are still setting up, I am on the GoToMeeting : | 11:10 |
| martial_ | ) | 11:10 |
| oneswig | Ahah, multi-tasking! | 11:10 |
| martial_ | well I can listen onto one and type in this one :) | 11:10 |
| b1airo | wow, you can live-IRC it for us | 11:10 |
| oneswig | It's almost like we are in the room :-) | 11:10 |
| martial_ | should start in 20 minutes | 11:10 |
| martial_ | the video feed is already up ... | 11:11 |
| oneswig | Tomorrow there is a technical session, in which there is a section designated "Scientific WG perspectives" | 11:11 |
| b1airo | oneswig, martial_ - are you across any of the plans/intentions/pie-in-the-sky ideas for ORC meeting in Sydney ? | 11:11 |
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| oneswig | I saw some meeting invites that's all | 11:11 |
| b1airo | oh really? do we need to come up with a perspective then!? | 11:11 |
| oneswig | Well this is it, I've got writers block | 11:12 |
| oneswig | Martial are you covering the NIST project? | 11:12 |
| martial_ | b1airo: it will be a panel I believe more than anything else | 11:13 |
| martial_ | oneswig: the IEEE / NIST P2302? | 11:13 |
| daveholland | the only perspective we have to offer is "please don't invent another standard" (for auth etc) | 11:13 |
| oneswig | martial_: are there others? | 11:13 |
| martial_ | b1airo: if there are slides to be had, it might not be crazy :) | 11:13 |
| oneswig | daveholland: seconded... | 11:14 |
| martial_ | oneswig: now that I think, likely no :) | 11:14 |
| martial_ | oneswig: Craig Lee from IEEE will be there so they are covered | 11:14 |
| martial_ | I will cover the P2302 for the foundation for now | 11:14 |
| martial_ | (per my conversation with David) | 11:14 |
| oneswig | OK. We are joining remotely for that session and I was thinking of summarising the new book chapter, however it's written by Enol who's hosting this session so he's probably already got it well covered... | 11:15 |
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| hogepodge | Speaking of the book | 11:16 |
| oneswig | Hi hogepodge - welcome and good morning! | 11:16 |
| martial_ | Ildiko Vancsa from the Foundation is at the ORC, so she is covering for OpenStack | 11:16 |
| hogepodge | It's due this Friday no exceptions all content and finished diagrams | 11:16 |
| martial_ | hogepodge: good morning, and yes we confirm | 11:16 |
| martial_ | hogepodge: what timezone on Friday? :) | 11:17 |
| oneswig | it is. I believe I only have the new federation chapter to review | 11:17 |
| hogepodge | Let's say noon central time for Kathy's sake | 11:17 |
| oneswig | hogepodge: works for me. Did you see, we gathered some proposals for cover art? | 11:18 |
| martial_ | oneswig: Mike is finishing his "Research in Production" chapter and I am reviewing it to add | 11:18 |
| oneswig | #link down here somewhere https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/scientific-computing-book-update-2017 | 11:18 |
| oneswig | martial_: is that a chapter or a case study? | 11:18 |
| hogepodge | They need to verify that they license is good for the cover, I'll forward it to the team | 11:18 |
| oneswig | hogepodge: the images have been offered on the terms previously described, I think they are clear on that. | 11:19 |
| hogepodge | Ok | 11:19 |
| martial_ | oneswig: a little of both, it is a longer version of his lighting talk from Boston | 11:19 |
| b1airo | on the cover art... | 11:20 |
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| oneswig | martial_: to fit as a chapter it'd want a broad range of case studies | 11:21 |
| b1airo | i like the SKA idea, though i do wonder whether it might raise a few eyebrows to have pics of SKA antennae in Australia given that so far the Aus contingent seems to be traditionally HPC focused... | 11:21 |
| oneswig | b1airo: a good observation | 11:22 |
| oneswig | I gave them access to our OpenStack SKA system just last week however | 11:23 |
| martial_ | oneswig: good observation, I am passing along this information | 11:23 |
| b1airo | certainly the Pawsey Supercomputing centre still uses OpenStack, but at this point I understand it to be a side-show (i could be wrong/out-of-date here though) | 11:23 |
| oneswig | they are now tainted with the corruption of software-defiend infrastructure | 11:23 |
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| b1airo | haha, good work | 11:24 |
| oneswig | b1airo: specifically this was a team from UWA, might be connected, might not | 11:24 |
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| oneswig | The SKA Organisation contributed the images, I don't think there's any perceived issue from them | 11:25 |
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| b1airo | cool, no probs then | 11:25 |
| martial_ | #topic Book | 11:26 |
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| martial_ | (totally forgot to change the topic :) ) | 11:26 |
| oneswig | I think the main body of work is ready, the additions appear close and one schedule | 11:27 |
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| oneswig | hogepodge: would it help to have access to get started on the next stage for the completed sections? | 11:27 |
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| oneswig | Well I think we are on schedule, anyway, providing the sky doesn't fall in in the meantime... | 11:30 |
| oneswig | move on? | 11:30 |
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| oneswig | #topic Sydney Forum | 11:30 |
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| oneswig | I must confess I have not been keeping up with this | 11:30 |
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| b1airo | me either | 11:31 |
| b1airo | the close date for Forum topic submissions is 29th | 11:31 |
| martial_ | unless I misunderstood, they request from us a list of the talks/sessions we intend to have? | 11:31 |
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| oneswig | Which ML is it discussed on? | 11:32 |
| martial_ | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Scientific-Sydney17-Forum | 11:33 |
| b1airo | martial_, not quite - the idea for the process is that the community (including WGs/SIGs) first brainstorm internally and that provides a way to shake out duplicates and form up ideas, then session leaders go ahead and put the proposals in | 11:33 |
| b1airo | that brainstorming phase is more-or-less over already, so i think we need to figure out whether we have any good ideas for Forum sessions between now and tomorrow and then go ahead and then get someone to submit an abstract | 11:34 |
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| martial_ | oneswig: I got an email from the "User-committee" ML | 11:34 |
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| oneswig | thanks martial_ b1airo, now I recall the process. | 11:34 |
| martial_ | our plan is to propose a BoF and lighting talk sessions so far | 11:35 |
| oneswig | So what to advocate.. | 11:35 |
| johnthetubaguy | the sessions are certainly picked by representatives from both the UC and TC based on the submitted ideas, so that sounds right | 11:35 |
| b1airo | i would like to have another session on "opportunistic" instances, but i feel a bit phoney doing so given i never properly followed up on the same session from last Forum | 11:35 |
| johnthetubaguy | honestly, no one seems to be working on much of that right now, I wrote up the spec from the discussions | 11:35 |
| johnthetubaguy | similar issues with quotas right now | 11:35 |
| b1airo | martial_, no we already have a BOF and lightening talk session in the main Summit's Working Group agenda | 11:35 |
| martial_ | b1airo: so oneswig is not the only one confused I confess :) | 11:36 |
| oneswig | b1airo: I think it's a missing piece. It would be surprising if the public cloud wg weren't already onto this too | 11:36 |
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| martial_ | @oneswig: re ORC "slides would be good" | 11:37 |
| oneswig | OK thanks martial_, noted. | 11:37 |
| b1airo | johnthetubaguy, yeah and i meant to try and continue that conversation with you on the draft spec | 11:37 |
| johnthetubaguy | I think something useful is expressing the relative importance of a top few efforts, and agreeing that with other SIGs and WGs | 11:38 |
| oneswig | johnthetubaguy: would it be worthwhile to add an item on Ironic resources and traits | 11:38 |
| b1airo | lately i have been wondering if there might be a simple way to get 80% of what i want by just writing an external service that arbitrated access to some defined free capacity | 11:38 |
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| johnthetubaguy | oneswig: unsure who would be there, but possibly on cross project scheduling requirements in general, just making sure everyone is happy with the placement plan overall? | 11:39 |
| zioproto | hello | 11:39 |
| zioproto | sorry I am late, but I arrived | 11:39 |
| oneswig | Hi zioproto! | 11:39 |
| oneswig | Just talking forum topics | 11:40 |
| martial_ | @stig: agenda has shifted to 13:15 to 14:15 for "Technical Perspectives from the SWGs" | 11:40 |
| b1airo | o/ zioproto | 11:40 |
| martial_ | (Amsterdam time) | 11:40 |
| johnthetubaguy | b1airo: thats a lot of what blazar is doing, there was PTG discussion that ended with just increase the quota for folks who request the feature for now | 11:40 |
| oneswig | OK thanks martial_ | 11:40 |
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| zioproto | guys for Sidney we are looking for moderators for the Forum | 11:40 |
| zioproto | anyone wants to jump in ? | 11:40 |
| zioproto | Moderators should propose the sessions they sign up for to http://forumtopics.openstack.org/ | 11:40 |
| b1airo | johnthetubaguy, as in have Blazar increase the quota? | 11:41 |
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| martial_ | zioproto: good timing and welcome | 11:42 |
| johnthetubaguy | b1airo: I think I just confused things, I mean something like blazar would do the increase in quota, use tags on instances to manage the reaping of instances, etc (i.e. build a prototype outside Nova for now, quota is the main sticking point) | 11:42 |
| martial_ | so I am still confused about what you need from us related to our forum proposals. I apologize in advance, but clarification on the purpose and example of topics would be appreciated | 11:43 |
| martial_ | ^ zioproto | 11:43 |
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| b1airo | johnthetubaguy, yep thanks, think i have a vague picture of what you're talking about - would have to be quota plus aggregates for reservation of some kind though, for us quota is fairly useless as we have *way* more quota allocated than we have actual capacity | 11:43 |
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| johnthetubaguy | b1airo: OK, so yours must be a different use case to the one in the spec, needs more follow up another time I guess | 11:44 |
| zioproto | martial_: I am looking for moderators for the sessions that appear at http://forumtopics.openstack.org/. After you login with your openstack account you should be able to see the session names | 11:44 |
| b1airo | martial_, you could look at the Boston Forum agenda | 11:44 |
| johnthetubaguy | for me the forum is all about getting Users and Developers together agreeing the priorities and requirements for the next cycle, keeping in sync with what has happened so far, etc | 11:45 |
| zioproto | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Forum#At_the_Forum | 11:45 |
| johnthetubaguy | the sessions that connection on going efforts with interested folks, worked really well in Boston | 11:45 |
| oneswig | Do we know the scheduling of forum sessions yet? | 11:46 |
| zioproto | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/SYD-UC-brainstorming | 11:46 |
| martial_ | b1airo: https://www.openstack.org/summit/boston-2017/summit-schedule/global-search?t=The%2BForum | 11:46 |
| johnthetubaguy | some of the relative priority setting stuff seemed to work quite well in Boston too | 11:46 |
| johnthetubaguy | like ignore all these things, this is the one thing that is blocking everything (application credentials came out of that sort of discussion) | 11:46 |
| johnthetubaguy | not sure if that helps with context | 11:47 |
| oneswig | thanks johnthetubaguy I think it does. | 11:47 |
| b1airo | actually looking at the list of topics already suggested and hearing johnthetubaguy mention getting Ops & Users & Devs together reminded me that we no longer seem to have things like the Ops sessions of old | 11:47 |
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| johnthetubaguy | there is more context here: https://ttx.re/splitting-out-design-summit.html | 11:48 |
| martial_ | maybe an HPC Ops then? | 11:48 |
| johnthetubaguy | the idea is to work together to come up with join sessions | 11:48 |
| johnthetubaguy | rather than have ops come to dev sessions, and v.v. | 11:48 |
| johnthetubaguy | joint^ | 11:48 |
| oneswig | johnthetubaguy: seen this one? http://forumtopics.openstack.org/cfp/details/12 | 11:48 |
| b1airo | yeah i understand the motivation to jointly get the agenda together, but in the process we seem to have lost what were some very well attended sessions previously, e.g., "Ceph Operators" | 11:49 |
| johnthetubaguy | oneswig: I haven't reviewed any of them honestly, mostly as I am not choosing and not attending | 11:49 |
| b1airo | seems important to have a home for those things too | 11:49 |
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| johnthetubaguy | oneswig: that sounds like pre-ptg speak | 11:49 |
| johnthetubaguy | oneswig: I guess its more a follow on | 11:50 |
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| oneswig | johnthetubaguy: right, it does read like that. | 11:50 |
| oneswig | b1airo: Is there not a Ceph BoF? Really ought to be, I agree | 11:51 |
| b1airo | yeah i will propose and see what happens | 11:51 |
| johnthetubaguy | so looping back, I like that session because it is getting feedback around existing ongoing work, which is good | 11:51 |
| oneswig | Would love to share our current weirdness with the room :-) | 11:51 |
| martial_ | so "HPC Ops Unite" & "Ceph BoF" ? | 11:52 |
| oneswig | Isn't HPC Ops Unite the tagline for our SIG? | 11:52 |
| martial_ | oneswig: yes but we do not have a WG meeting anymore, just BoF and Lighting Talk | 11:53 |
| b1airo | johnthetubaguy, one observation from Ops land is that it seems like some of those sessions can be hamstrung because there are so few operators with experience of current releases - so they haven't even hit the beginning of the features you want feedback on | 11:53 |
| martial_ | so using the forum to give people a place to meet the community is still a good opportunity I think | 11:53 |
| johnthetubaguy | b1airo: very true | 11:53 |
| martial_ | ie shifting from a "planned work" toward a "come and join us" | 11:54 |
| oneswig | well volunteered martial_ :-) | 11:54 |
| martial_ | oneswig: I will take the "HPC Ops Unite" if somebody else take the "Ceph BoF" ? | 11:54 |
| b1airo | might be a point worth throwing into the current "Simplification" thread on os-dev, and certainly makes an argument for closing the gap toward less dev reliance on devstack | 11:55 |
| oneswig | I am already speaking every day of the summit and will blow a gasket if I take on anything more | 11:55 |
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| b1airo | martial_, yep just checking the agenda to ensure there is not already such a Ceph session (i know there is a CephFS panel, because we are on it...) | 11:55 |
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| martial_ | oneswig: added it to b1airo https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Scientific-Sydney17-Forum | 11:56 |
| martial_ | b1airo: thanks as well | 11:56 |
| oneswig | OK, thanks martial_ b1airo - anything more to add on proposals? | 11:56 |
| b1airo | bloody google, searching for "openstack sydney ceph bof", all i get is spinics links to ML posts of me asking about this a couple of months ago | 11:57 |
| johnthetubaguy | a feedback from a dev side of things, it was really hard with lots of WG meeting in Boston | 11:57 |
| oneswig | In a silent room, echoes... | 11:57 |
| johnthetubaguy | I had no idea which I should attend | 11:57 |
| martial_ | johnthetubaguy: what do you mean exactly? | 11:57 |
| johnthetubaguy | the ones I did often spoke about the things that were mentioned in lots of the other rooms, I can't remember which topic that was | 11:57 |
| martial_ | oh wait that is not a topic reques :) | 11:58 |
| martial_ | +t | 11:58 |
| johnthetubaguy | so lets be specific on quotas | 11:58 |
| b1airo | maybe we could suggest a "top pain points for scientific openstack" session ? | 11:58 |
| johnthetubaguy | lots of folks spoke about quota problems in different rooms | 11:58 |
| martial_ | b1airo +1 | 11:58 |
| b1airo | johnthetubaguy, yep good idea | 11:58 |
| johnthetubaguy | the problem as dev is I didn't know what room to go to talk about quotas, beyond the quota session | 11:58 |
| johnthetubaguy | so we fragment the discussions | 11:59 |
| johnthetubaguy | I think it would be better if the sessions broke out of all our silos | 11:59 |
| b1airo | get out ahead of the game on that one and make sure there is something on the agenda to point people at where that will (at least) all get collected on a single etherpad | 11:59 |
| oneswig | sounds good b1airo | 11:59 |
| johnthetubaguy | now that is crazy hard... its just the sorts of sessions that seemed to most successful in Boston | 11:59 |
| b1airo | the successful ones also really need to have at least draft blueprints that attendees can study up on prior | 12:00 |
| oneswig | OK we are out of time | 12:00 |
| johnthetubaguy | to be clear the etherpads doesn't really too much here, you still get three fragmented discussions instead of getting everyone interested in the same room | 12:00 |
| johnthetubaguy | oops, we are over | 12:00 |
| oneswig | I had one piece of AOB to mention | 12:01 |
| b1airo | no one is waiting for the room oneswig so may as well go ahead :-) | 12:01 |
| zioproto | please keep in mind if you want to moderate a session to add yourself up into the web tool ! | 12:01 |
| oneswig | priteau and his wife had a healthy baby girl last week, all going well | 12:01 |
| b1airo | great news | 12:02 |
| zioproto | congrats ! | 12:02 |
| johnthetubaguy | I like ending on good news, congrats to priteau | 12:02 |
| oneswig | I shall pass that on! | 12:02 |
| b1airo | good news unless you like sleeping ;-) | 12:02 |
| oneswig | Could continue the forum disucussion in #scientific-wg | 12:02 |
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| martial_ | oneswig +1 | 12:03 |
| b1airo | yep i will hang around a while - got cable lengths to figure out... | 12:03 |
| oneswig | ooh, shopping... | 12:03 |
| oneswig | ok, lets clear the channel here | 12:03 |
| oneswig | #endmeeting | 12:03 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Sep 27 12:03:44 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 12:03 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_wg/2017/scientific_wg.2017-09-27-11.00.html | 12:03 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_wg/2017/scientific_wg.2017-09-27-11.00.txt | 12:03 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_wg/2017/scientific_wg.2017-09-27-11.00.log.html | 12:03 |
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| witek | #startmeeting monasca | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Sep 27 14:00:10 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is witek. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: monasca)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'monasca' | 14:00 |
| witek | hello everyone | 14:00 |
| jgr | Hello | 14:00 |
| nseyvet | hello | 14:00 |
| witek | agenda is as usual here | 14:01 |
| witek | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/monasca-team-meeting-agenda | 14:01 |
| witek | #topic Queens Priorities | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Queens Priorities (Meeting topic: monasca)" | 14:01 | |
| witek | thanks for submitting your votes to the google sheet | 14:02 |
| witek | https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/11X4kFHeyXl6ZcP0nqI54Hc_LL_DsYCUpsAgJY1hBGOs/edit?usp=sharing | 14:02 |
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| witek | hello rhochmuth | 14:02 |
| rhochmuth | hello | 14:03 |
| rhochmuth | ran a little late this morning | 14:03 |
| witek | we just started | 14:03 |
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| witek | I have tried to sort the priorities | 14:04 |
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| witek | the first version is here | 14:04 |
| witek | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/507534/ | 14:04 |
| patchbot | patch 507534 - monasca-specs - Add Queens priorities | 14:04 |
| joadavis1 | 2 quick questions about Queens priorities (at least the top ones). Should each priority also have a spec? Should be spec be written in Launchpad, Storyboard, or the new specs repo? | 14:04 |
| witek | not every prio is suitable for the spec | 14:05 |
| witek | also, some efforts have already been started and documented in other way | 14:06 |
| witek | but as a minimum we should have a short description on priorities page | 14:06 |
| akiraYo | hi, all | 14:06 |
| joadavis1 | Fair enough. Things like python3 I assume already have some sort of doc. | 14:06 |
| witek | and a story in StoryBoard would be nice | 14:06 |
| witek | I guess we won't use Launchpad any more | 14:07 |
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| witek | new changes affecting the API or otherwise strongly impacting the project should have a spec | 14:08 |
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| witek | hi akiraYo | 14:08 |
| joadavis1 | My follow-up question was going to be if we keep using Storyboard or focus more on the specs repo (and maybe migrate some of the stories we think are still relevant from Launchpad or Storyboard over to the repo)? | 14:08 |
| witek | joadavis1: yes, python 3 is documented as community goal | 14:08 |
| witek | we should use StoryBoard for all changes affecting the code | 14:10 |
| witek | features and bugs | 14:10 |
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| rhochmuth | i know the api was looking a little involved to add python3 support | 14:10 |
| witek | more complicated stuff should additionally has spec | 14:10 |
| rhochmuth | has anyone taken a look at that recently | 14:10 |
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| rhochmuth | i started on it, and thought, this will be quick and easy, and then realized, it was more involved | 14:11 |
| rhochmuth | i believe there was another review that was inflight for the conversion too | 14:11 |
| witek | rhochmuth: kornica has come up to the same conclusion | 14:11 |
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| joadavis1 | Thanks. I'm starting to think about work to submit the Monasca Publisher to ceilometer, so I'll write something | 14:12 |
| witek | joadavis1: nice, could I assign you as the owner? | 14:13 |
| joadavis1 | you can put myself and Ashwin Agate as owners (I'm happy to share) | 14:13 |
| witek | great | 14:13 |
| witek | it would be good to have someone for Python 3 stuff | 14:14 |
| witek | will check myself with the team | 14:14 |
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| witek | do we have any other items to add to prios? | 14:15 |
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| jgr | What about the documented policy thing we spoke about at the midcycle? | 14:16 |
| jgr | (I don't see it anywhere in the list of priorities) | 14:16 |
| witek | Service Domain for Self Service Agent Users | 14:17 |
| witek | I guess it's what you mean, right? | 14:17 |
| witek | should I rename? | 14:18 |
| jgr | No, that's a different one | 14:18 |
| jgr | It's somewhat related since I'll need to modify policy enforcement as well | 14:18 |
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| witek | oh, you mean the community goal | 14:19 |
| jgr | But we talked about OpenStack projects being mandated to have in-code policy rather than policy.json | 14:19 |
| jgr | Yes | 14:19 |
| witek | I wasn't sure if we're affected | 14:19 |
| jgr | Well, we're not even using oslo.policy right now... | 14:20 |
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| witek | OK, will add it to 'essentials' | 14:21 |
| sc | jgr: and do you see a good use case to add oslo.policy? | 14:21 |
| jgr | Ok | 14:21 |
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| jgr | sc: well, we're kind of supposed to under the Openstack umbrella. | 14:21 |
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| sc | so forced to use | 14:22 |
| jgr | I for one would be happy to put it off until later myself, because it will either block the agent user thing or force a refactoring (not much refactoring, though) of the agent user code once the oslo.policy integration is merged. | 14:23 |
| jgr | Yes, forced to use. | 14:24 |
| jgr | I think there's a bit of an agenda behind the in-code policy thing. | 14:24 |
| witek | jgr: can you elaborate? | 14:24 |
| jgr | Keystone were making noises about surveying policy rules last year around December and they need this in-code policy thing in all projects to be able to do a proper survey. | 14:25 |
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| witek | rhochmuth: can I put you and me as Grafana thing owners? | 14:27 |
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| rhochmuth | sure | 14:27 |
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| witek | it would be nice when the owners could add a short description of the prio to the document | 14:29 |
| witek | anything else to this topic? | 14:30 |
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| witek | #topic Service Domain for Self Service Agent Users | 14:30 |
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| witek | jgr has submitted the spec | 14:31 |
| witek | https://review.openstack.org/507110 | 14:31 |
| patchbot | patch 507110 - monasca-specs - Add Service Domain Spec | 14:31 |
| witek | one key question is if we should use Keystone for storing credentials, or should API handle it | 14:32 |
| jgr | I for one prefer the Keystone approach. | 14:32 |
| jgr | API keys are pretty messy and essentially amount to creating our own authentication/authorization infrastructure. | 14:33 |
| witek | your comment in review is misleading then :) | 14:34 |
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| jgr | In the Alternatives section, you mean? | 14:34 |
| nseyvet | In the monasca agent, one can specify the Keystone url to discover the monasca API endpoint. Would this change affect that as well? | 14:34 |
| jgr | No, not at all. | 14:34 |
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| jgr | This change is transparent as far as monasca-agent is concerned. | 14:35 |
| nseyvet | ok. need to read this more. | 14:35 |
| jgr | The only change on the monasca-agent side is that one needs to specify a user domain in the configuration. | 14:36 |
| witek | the old mechanism with authorized roles in API would still be available? | 14:36 |
| jgr | Yes. | 14:37 |
| jgr | I plan on making this configurable. | 14:37 |
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| witek | I also prefer storing credentials in Keystone | 14:38 |
| jgr | Ok, good. Then I'll change that bit in the Alternatives section to make it appear less viable :-) | 14:39 |
| witek | thanks for the document | 14:40 |
| witek | nice job | 14:40 |
| jgr | Thanks :-) | 14:40 |
| witek | #topic open stage | 14:40 |
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| witek | do we have anything else to discuss? | 14:41 |
| nseyvet | one more question: the "domain" is equivalent to a tenant? | 14:41 |
| jgr | Kind of. | 14:41 |
| nseyvet | ie there is a one-to-one relation? | 14:41 |
| jgr | One can abuse a domain as a tenant. | 14:41 |
| nseyvet | so with the current spec one tenant could have multiple domains and thus "user-agent"s | 14:41 |
| jgr | No. | 14:42 |
| jgr | There's only one domain. | 14:42 |
| jgr | A domain is a container for users and tenants. | 14:42 |
| jgr | Additionally, it can be abused as a tenant (one can create OpenStack resources in a domain, unfortunately). | 14:42 |
| jgr | But that's not really its purpose. | 14:43 |
| witek | I found this description useful: | 14:43 |
| witek | https://www.mirantis.com/blog/mirantis-training-blog-openstack-keystone-domains/ | 14:43 |
| nseyvet | ok. But then is it OK that all users/projects share the same "user-agent" credentials? | 14:43 |
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| jgr | As far as the spec is concerned that domain is a secluded corner in Keystone where Monasca can create its own users that are entirely separate from Keystone users in the Default domain. | 14:43 |
| akiraYo | can we share a service domain with other services like heat? | 14:43 |
| jgr | No, absolutely not! | 14:43 |
| nseyvet | or would some expect a separation b/w projects? | 14:44 |
| jgr | Every user can create one or more agent user credentials. | 14:44 |
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| jgr | There's nothing shared anymore, which is the whole point of the spec. | 14:44 |
| nseyvet | OK, and it is the user responsibility to insert those credentials in the agent? | 14:44 |
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| akiraYo | ok. | 14:44 |
| jgr | Also, sharing a domain with Heat or Magnum is technically possibly but it would be a stupid admin who actually configured their cloud that way... | 14:44 |
| jgr | s/possibly/possible/ | 14:44 |
| jgr | Yes, that's the user's responsibility | 14:45 |
| nseyvet | thanks | 14:45 |
| jgr | We could at some stage add a little plugin to Heat that generates an agent.yaml and a cloud-config snippet to deploy it to Heat, but first of all we need the capability to create agent users. | 14:46 |
| jgr | s/deploy it/deploy it on an instance/ | 14:46 |
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| witek | I guess we can further discuss in review | 14:49 |
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| witek | would be great to have your opinions | 14:49 |
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| witek | if there's nothing else, I'll be closing the meeting | 14:50 |
| nseyvet | thank you for the links. Will go through them. | 14:50 |
| witek | thanks nseyvet | 14:50 |
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| witek | bye everyone, see you next week | 14:51 |
| akiraYo | see you. | 14:51 |
| jgr | See you! | 14:51 |
| joadavis1 | thanks again | 14:51 |
| sc | bye now | 14:51 |
| witek | #endmeeting | 14:52 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Sep 27 14:52:00 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:52 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/monasca/2017/monasca.2017-09-27-14.00.html | 14:52 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/monasca/2017/monasca.2017-09-27-14.00.txt | 14:52 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/monasca/2017/monasca.2017-09-27-14.00.log.html | 14:52 |
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| parus | #startmeeting FEMDC | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Sep 27 15:00:20 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is parus. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'femdc' | 15:00 |
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| parus | Good morning/Afternoon to all! | 15:00 |
| kgiusti | o/ | 15:01 |
| ansmith | o/ | 15:01 |
| jamemcc_ | Hi | 15:01 |
| dpertin | hi | 15:01 |
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| pbressan | Good morning | 15:01 |
| parus | I tried to send the link to the etherpad through mailing list but I think it bounced. | 15:01 |
| parus | so here is the link | 15:02 |
| parus | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/massively_distributed_ircmeetings_2017 | 15:02 |
| parus | it seems we may a have quorum. So lets' get started. | 15:02 |
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| parus | Ad_rien_ excused himself for today. So I will try to chair. Please be patient with me. | 15:03 |
| jamemcc_ | thank you | 15:03 |
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| parus | First topic: | 15:04 |
| parus | #topic Announcements | 15:04 |
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| parus | about Sydney: our timeslot for the f2f is fixed. you will find the link in the etherpad. | 15:05 |
| parus | Are any additional people confirmed to attend. | 15:05 |
| parus | I know that dpertin and myself are. | 15:05 |
| dpertin | glad to share the session with you parus | 15:06 |
| kgiusti | I can't make Sydney | 15:06 |
| kgiusti | :( | 15:06 |
| jamemcc_ | I don't think I will be going, some outside chance I'd send myself but my organization will not | 15:06 |
| parus | so it will be a smaller meeting I guess, if there are any topics that you feel should be discussed, please let us know. | 15:07 |
| parus | next topic is cross wg chair. | 15:08 |
| parus | #topic CrossWGChairSessions | 15:08 |
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| parus | This topic was added by ad_rien_. I am affraid I do not now much about it. Anyone can comment? | 15:09 |
| jamemcc_ | I missed the announcement and the actual attempted session for Cross WG chairs which was Sept 14 | 15:09 |
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| parus | ok | 15:10 |
| jamemcc_ | I think ad_rien was the only one to join at least at the start | 15:10 |
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| parus | Then we will have him report on the next meeting. | 15:10 |
| parus | I see he has put some links to an event announcement that is happening today. | 15:11 |
| jamemcc_ | In this last Monday UC meeting tHere was an agreement made by User Committee and a few others including me to try again | 15:11 |
| jamemcc_ | I'll include the relevant links and next proposed date in Etherpad as I find them | 15:11 |
| parus | Thank you jamemcc_ | 15:11 |
| parus | Next | 15:12 |
| parus | #topic SIG | 15:12 |
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| parus | following the change of status between team and workgroup. | 15:13 |
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| parus | I understand that a new change is being discussed that might give us more flebility and autonomy. | 15:13 |
| parus | The concept of a Special Interest Group is being discussed and this team's name has been mentionned as a candidate. | 15:14 |
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| parus | More on this will follow as it unfolds. There was some exchange in the last couple of weeks, and it seems there may be only benefits to the change. | 15:14 |
| jamemcc_ | I agree that we shoudl volunteer and take the minor actions required to be listed as a SIG, it should help us to be a larger group and attract engineers | 15:15 |
| jamemcc_ | I think we/you are already a good model for how one would operate | 15:15 |
| parus | Any other opinions? | 15:16 |
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| parus | Let's wait for the larger group to be here before we make a decision. Maybe we can have that as a topic for next meeting. | 15:17 |
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| jamemcc_ | ok | 15:19 |
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| parus | thanks for adding the link to the follow-up on Etherpad... Definitely, if we make the change there will be opportunities to better define what we do. | 15:20 |
| parus | next topic | 15:20 |
| parus | The forum in sydney. | 15:20 |
| parus | We have an opportunity to propose topics to be discussed at the forum in sydney. | 15:21 |
| parus | These will be cross workgroup discussion. | 15:21 |
| parus | We would have to put forward those proposals in the next day or so. | 15:22 |
| parus | See Link on etherpad. | 15:22 |
| parus | Any one has suggestions? | 15:22 |
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| parus | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Forum/Sydney2017 | 15:23 |
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| parus | Thanks jamemcc_ | 15:25 |
| jamemcc_ | Not sure if anyone else (I know I'm not) is very versed on the next steps from the Open-Dev | 15:25 |
| parus | That is a good point! | 15:26 |
| jamemcc_ | But seems to me some of that should become Forum topics | 15:26 |
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| parus | I may be guilty there. One thing that came out of opendev was the need for a follow-up session on edge. | 15:26 |
| parus | but I have not seen any announcement on that. Beth was certainly one of the leads. | 15:27 |
| parus | I will take an action to reach out to her. | 15:27 |
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| parus | #action parus to reach out to Beth/Kandan about follow-ups from opendev. | 15:27 |
| jamemcc_ | thanks | 15:27 |
| parus | my recollection is that we were suppose to have separate sessions to prepare for Sydney. | 15:28 |
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| parus | One more announcement. | 15:29 |
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| parus | in the margins of opendev we had meetings with openedge | 15:29 |
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| parus | One key member of that group is Sathia from CMU. | 15:30 |
| parus | He is organizing a meeting to give us more details about their extension openstack. | 15:30 |
| parus | this is a project called openstack++ | 15:31 |
| parus | Meeting is scheduled for october 3rd. | 15:31 |
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| parus | If anyone has an interest, I do not think there would be a problem adding a few more people to the invite. | 15:31 |
| parus | any comment? | 15:32 |
| parus | Let's move on. | 15:33 |
| parus | #topic ONAP | 15:33 |
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| parus | ad_rien_ added this topic to the agenda. | 15:33 |
| parus | this was a major outcome from opendev from my perspective. | 15:33 |
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| parus | The question is about what functionality falls under openstack | 15:34 |
| parus | vs what functionality is left to a layer above. | 15:34 |
| parus | The layer above can be the application itself .... or it could be ONAP. | 15:34 |
| parus | Did anyone have a different perspective on what the topic is? | 15:35 |
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| jamemcc_ | From my quick read of the OpenDev Key findings. I agree | 15:36 |
| parus | Thanks! | 15:36 |
| parus | Anything we can do to dig further? | 15:37 |
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| jamemcc_ | FYI - those are #url https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/OpenDevTakeaways | 15:38 |
| parus | jamecc_ : do you have any insight on what ONAP is doing for Edge? | 15:38 |
| jamemcc_ | just level setting - for the Telco and NFV use case - ONAP is the Design and Orchestrate and Manage oversight layer | 15:39 |
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| jamemcc_ | But I think it being Junior in that task had not exactly agreed to take on the Fog Edge for all applciations/use cases | 15:39 |
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| parus | So it may be further out in their roadmap? | 15:40 |
| jamemcc_ | I think to some extent - that purpose of the OpenDev from ONAP perspetive would be to see if there are other Open ways to handle | 15:40 |
| jamemcc_ | ANd if not to try to gather the interested resources to put more work into ONAP | 15:41 |
| parus | I suspect this means for us that we should keep monitoring. | 15:41 |
| jamemcc_ | Just trying to add tot he conversation - I dont' have any more detailed knowledge of strategy from the ONAP effort | 15:42 |
| parus | thanks. Let's move on. | 15:42 |
| parus | #topic AMQP | 15:43 |
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| kgiusti | Hi | 15:43 |
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| kgiusti | Matthieu has done excellent work on the testplan - see epad for link (linke 1284) | 15:43 |
| kgiusti | Admittedly I've been the slow horse in that effort, but I think the tests and metrics are fairly complete | 15:44 |
| kgiusti | Next is to update the test tool (ombt2) to capture the defined metrics - I hope to have that done by end of week | 15:44 |
| parus | great! | 15:45 |
| kgiusti | And the kolla/ansilbe patch still hasn't landed, but the reviews have given us some feedback since last meeting | 15:45 |
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| kgiusti | and that's about it from AMQP land | 15:45 |
| kgiusti | questions? | 15:45 |
| parus | Thanks for the good work! | 15:45 |
| kgiusti | our pleasure! | 15:46 |
| parus | What is the next step on Kolla? | 15:46 |
| kgiusti | To get the patch fixed up and landed. | 15:46 |
| kgiusti | ansmith: how is the feedback so far? | 15:47 |
| ansmith | feedback very strong, just need a few +2's | 15:47 |
| ansmith | will keep engaging the kolla team | 15:47 |
| parus | Thank you guys. Let's move . | 15:48 |
| kgiusti | ansmith: would it help if others in femdc added to the comments (like +1's)? | 15:48 |
| kgiusti | ;0 | 15:48 |
| ansmith | it nevers hurts, Matthieu has done so | 15:48 |
| parus | Send us the link and I can certainly take an action on my side. | 15:48 |
| ansmith | it is in etherpad as well => https://review.openstack.org/#/c/468966/ | 15:49 |
| patchbot | patch 468966 - kolla-ansible - Add support for hybrid messaging backends | 15:49 |
| parus | #action parus to review kolla patch and support. | 15:49 |
| parus | #topic CockroadDB | 15:50 |
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| parus | sorry for the typo | 15:50 |
| parus | #topic CockroachDB | 15:50 |
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| parus | anyone can comment on updates? | 15:51 |
| parus | if not let's move on. | 15:51 |
| parus | FBK excused themselves today, so we can defer the discussion on use cases to next time. | 15:52 |
| parus | Let's open up for discussions. | 15:52 |
| parus | #topic open discussion | 15:52 |
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| parus | ad_rien was suggesting a follow-up meeting at the end of this week. | 15:53 |
| parus | Any takers? | 15:53 |
| jamemcc_ | Yes - I'm glad to attend | 15:53 |
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| parus | Please add your name to the etherpad | 15:54 |
| parus | any other comments? | 15:55 |
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| parus | Am I the only one who took some actions? | 15:55 |
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| kgiusti | #action kgiusti to release update to ombt21 | 15:56 |
| jamemcc_ | Sorry about that - thanks again for facilitating | 15:56 |
| kgiusti | s/ombt21/ombt2/g | 15:56 |
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| parus | thank you all for being so patient with me. | 15:57 |
| parus | and we get to finish three minutes early :-) | 15:57 |
| kgiusti | parus: thanks for the good leadership! :) | 15:57 |
| parus | #endmeeting | 15:57 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Sep 27 15:57:49 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:57 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/femdc/2017/femdc.2017-09-27-15.00.html | 15:57 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/femdc/2017/femdc.2017-09-27-15.00.txt | 15:57 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/femdc/2017/femdc.2017-09-27-15.00.log.html | 15:57 |
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| jungleboyj | #startmeeting Cinder | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Sep 27 16:00:02 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jungleboyj. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Cinder)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cinder' | 16:00 |
| Swanson | Hello. | 16:00 |
| smcginnis | o/ | 16:00 |
| tommylikehu | hello | 16:00 |
| erlon | Hey | 16:00 |
| jungleboyj | Courtesy ping: jungleboyj DuncanT diablo_rojo, diablo_rojo_phon, rajinir tbarron xyang xyang1 e0ne gouthamr thingee erlon patrickeast tommylikehu eharney geguileo | 16:00 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis | 16:00 |
| _alastor_ | o/ | 16:00 |
| xyang1 | Hi | 16:00 |
| geguileo | hi! o/ | 16:00 |
| rajinir | o/ | 16:00 |
| e0ne | hi | 16:00 |
| thingee | o/ | 16:00 |
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| bswartz | .o/ | 16:01 |
| jungleboyj | Hey everyone. Will give people another minute to join. | 16:01 |
| jungleboyj | Have a short agenda so I am sure things will spiral out of control and take the whole hour. ;-) | 16:01 |
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| patrickeast | o/ | 16:01 |
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| jungleboyj | Going to ping jgriffith just for fun as well. | 16:02 |
| jungleboyj | Even though he hasn't added his name to the list. Glad to see you joined again smcginnis | 16:02 |
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| jungleboyj | Ok, I guess we will get started. | 16:03 |
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| jungleboyj | #topic Announcements | 16:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: Cinder)" | 16:03 | |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: What? My name is on there. You even pinged me. :) | 16:03 |
| jungleboyj | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-spec-review-tracking | 16:03 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: I know, but it wasn't there yesterday. Thought maybe you had given up. ;-) | 16:04 |
| lhx_ | hi | 16:04 |
| jungleboyj | The usual reminder to please keep an eye on the Review Tracking priorities. | 16:04 |
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| jungleboyj | I am trying to get updates in there as I see them. If you have reviews coming in that you know we talked about at the PTG, please feel free to add them to the etherpad. | 16:05 |
| tommylikehu | oh! | 16:05 |
| jungleboyj | Also, I have the notes from the PTG summarized in our wiki. | 16:05 |
| jungleboyj | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CinderQueensPTGSummary | 16:05 |
| jungleboyj | The items we are greed upon and the associated actions are all summarized there. | 16:06 |
| tommylikehu | jungleboyj: great, thanks! | 16:06 |
| jungleboyj | Do not have the video links organized in there yet. Hoping to get some help on that. | 16:06 |
| jungleboyj | tommylikehu: You are welcome! | 16:06 |
| jungleboyj | Also, I need to review specs this week as we are already coming up on Pike 1 soon. Need to get things approved. Appreciate any help with that. | 16:07 |
| jungleboyj | That was all I had for announcements. | 16:07 |
| jungleboyj | #topic Sydney Forum Topics | 16:07 |
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| jungleboyj | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-sydney-forum-topics | 16:08 |
| jungleboyj | So, my etherpad is lonely. | 16:08 |
| jungleboyj | Has no one taken the time to update it or do we not have any topics? | 16:08 |
| smcginnis | I couldn't think of anything we needed. Other than maybe more cross project with nova. | 16:09 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Ok, I can coordinate with Matt and submit that as a proposal in the case that he hasn't scheduled anything. | 16:10 |
| jungleboyj | Have any projects scheduled just like an 'office hours' type of time to get feedback from operators/users? | 16:10 |
| Swanson | Could add "Pedantic coding practices: Or PEP8 is your code thug friend." | 16:11 |
| jungleboyj | :-) That sounds like PTG topics. | 16:11 |
| jungleboyj | *crickets* | 16:12 |
| smcginnis | :) | 16:12 |
| jungleboyj | So, I will see if it would be appropriate to schedule a time for people to stop and ask questions about Cinder. That seems like something other teams have done in a virtual format. | 16:13 |
| smcginnis | Oh yeah, are they doing the onboarding rooms again? | 16:13 |
| jungleboyj | #action Jay to coordinate with mriedem to set up a cross-project session to continue API/multi-attach work. | 16:14 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Yes they are. They are scheduling them. diablo_rojo_phon is in charge of that. | 16:14 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: I am planning on doing our on-boarding presentation again. Would like to get it recorded this time. | 16:14 |
| jungleboyj | Have some changes/improvements I hope to make. | 16:15 |
| smcginnis | Cool. | 16:15 |
| * jgriffith yawns and stretches | 16:15 | |
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| jungleboyj | So, the deadline for the submission of forum topics is Friday. | 16:15 |
| smcginnis | Wakey wakey. | 16:15 |
| jgriffith | smcginnis: :) | 16:16 |
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| jungleboyj | #action Team to add ideas to etherpad by Friday is there is anything they want to propose. | 16:16 |
| jungleboyj | #topic Driver Removal Patches | 16:16 |
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| jungleboyj | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/cinder+branch:master+topic:ci_unsupported | 16:16 |
| jungleboyj | So, smcginnis Has proposed to remove the drivers that do not meet our CI requirements. | 16:17 |
| smcginnis | If folks are behind our driver policy - please review! :) | 16:17 |
| jungleboyj | I have +2'd . | 16:17 |
| jungleboyj | If anyone else is willing to go review and maybe push the button, it would be appreciated. | 16:17 |
| smcginnis | If there's any reason not to do it, please speak up. | 16:18 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: ++ | 16:18 |
| jungleboyj | We have been doing this for a couple of releases now and think it is good to continue to follow our policy. | 16:19 |
| jungleboyj | #action Team to review the proposed patches and vote. | 16:19 |
| e0ne | jungleboyj: +1 | 16:19 |
| e0ne | jungleboyj: I put some +2 on them before meeting. looks like we're OK to approve them | 16:19 |
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| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Thank you for continuing to watch the CI's and push up patches. | 16:20 |
| jungleboyj | e0ne: I saw that. Thank you. | 16:20 |
| e0ne | jungleboyj: I just waited for meeting if we want to hold on on them or something like it | 16:20 |
| jungleboyj | Ok, well, there don't seem to be objections, so we will move on unless you have anything else there smcginnis . | 16:20 |
| smcginnis | Nope, that's good. | 16:20 |
| jungleboyj | Cool. | 16:21 |
| jungleboyj | e0ne: Makes sense. | 16:21 |
| jungleboyj | #topic Update backup's size when backup is created | 16:21 |
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| jungleboyj | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/506141/ | 16:21 |
| patchbot | patch 506141 - cinder-specs - Update backup's size when backup is created | 16:21 |
| tommylikehu | yeah | 16:21 |
| jungleboyj | tommylikehu: Over to you | 16:21 |
| e0ne | I like this idea but I think jgriffith could have some input on it | 16:21 |
| tommylikehu | I think this one is kind of bug, because we use volume's size for backup now. | 16:21 |
| tommylikehu | e0ne: oh? | 16:22 |
| e0ne | tommylikehu: we discussed it some time (years?) ago, but I don't remember why we didn't change it | 16:22 |
| tommylikehu | jgriffith: any update? | 16:22 |
| smcginnis | I don't remember that. Must have been a long time ago. | 16:22 |
| e0ne | I could be wrong, but maybe jgriffith had some objections. I don't remember, TBH | 16:23 |
| jgriffith | I'm not sure what I think honestly | 16:23 |
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| jgriffith | e0ne: might have been a *different* do some magic thing :) | 16:23 |
| e0ne | I just remember that we'd got such bug from our customer in the past | 16:23 |
| * jungleboyj needs to read the spec | 16:23 | |
| e0ne | jgriffith: :) | 16:23 |
| tommylikehu | jgriffith: so I am proposing we can have backup driver to report the real size of the backup when backup object is created at backend | 16:23 |
| jgriffith | I had some concerns about how this all works in reality | 16:24 |
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| jungleboyj | tommylikehu: In what cases does the backup not have the size of what is backed up? | 16:24 |
| jgriffith | it leads us to your next request which will be to report only the actual size of a volume instead of the allocated size :) | 16:24 |
| jungleboyj | Are you talking about like with thin provisioning or something? | 16:25 |
| * jgriffith is being humorous with that | 16:25 | |
| tommylikehu | jungleboyj: mostly the incremental backup | 16:25 |
| jungleboyj | tommylikehu: Oh. | 16:25 |
| jgriffith | tommylikehu: I think what you propose here makes sense | 16:25 |
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| tommylikehu | jgriffith: thanks | 16:25 |
| jgriffith | tommylikehu: I am a little unsure when you throw in compresses vs uncompressed | 16:26 |
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| jgriffith | tommylikehu: honestly I think you would need to use either the *actual* size of the data or provide both | 16:26 |
| jgriffith | use actual for things like restoring, and if a provider wants, they an use *compressed/on-disk* for billing | 16:27 |
| tommylikehu | jgriffith: both? | 16:27 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: oooh, that makes sense. | 16:27 |
| jgriffith | tommylikehu: yes, I can't tell based on your spec what you're actually proposing to use for the *size* | 16:28 |
| tommylikehu | jgriffith: that's right | 16:28 |
| jgriffith | but they're very different things and both are important | 16:28 |
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| jungleboyj | tommylikehu: Any concerns with going that path? | 16:29 |
| tommylikehu | jungleboyj: agreed with jgriffith , I can update my spec | 16:29 |
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| jungleboyj | tommylikehu: Cool. | 16:30 |
| e0ne | jgriffith, jungleboyj: I remembered, we discussed a bit different issue in the past: it was about renaming backup.size to backup.volume_size and there were concerns about original volume resizing | 16:30 |
| jungleboyj | #action tommylikehu to update the spec to cover including both the total data size and the amount of space used on disk by the backup. | 16:31 |
| jungleboyj | e0ne: What is currently in backup.size ? | 16:32 |
| tommylikehu | equal to volume's size at that time when backed up | 16:33 |
| e0ne | jungleboyj: original volume size | 16:33 |
| jungleboyj | e0ne: Ok, so, as far as resizing goes, if the user resizes their volume and then doesn't back it up to update that info ... well, oops. | 16:33 |
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| jgriffith | jungleboyj: it's fine | 16:34 |
| e0ne | jungleboyj: yes. but it's a bit different and could be fixed out of scope of the proposed spec | 16:34 |
| jungleboyj | e0ne: Ok, won't get off track. | 16:34 |
| e0ne | jungleboyj: +1 | 16:35 |
| jgriffith | e0ne: I'm not sure I recall... but I say it "should be fine" because you can only extend a volumes size | 16:35 |
| jgriffith | so I'm not sure that would be problematic | 16:35 |
| tommylikehu | jgriffith: +1 | 16:35 |
| e0ne | jungleboyj: I agree. It's a bit confusing for users who don't know what is it, but not a big deal | 16:35 |
| e0ne | jgriffith: ^ | 16:36 |
| jungleboyj | e0ne: Ok. | 16:36 |
| jungleboyj | So, lets work this in the spec and make sure that we don't make things more confusing in the process. | 16:36 |
| jungleboyj | #action Team to review the spec after tommylikehu updates it. | 16:37 |
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| jungleboyj | Anything else on that topic ? | 16:38 |
| tommylikehu | nope | 16:38 |
| jungleboyj | tommylikehu: Ok, thank you. | 16:38 |
| jungleboyj | #topic Open Discussion | 16:38 |
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| jungleboyj | Anything else we need to discuss today? | 16:38 |
| jungleboyj | Are people actually awake out there? | 16:38 |
| smcginnis | I have on thing... | 16:38 |
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| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Go for it. | 16:39 |
| smcginnis | Not sure if folks noticed, but ostestr swapped out using testr internally for stestr. | 16:39 |
| smcginnis | Not confusing at all, right? | 16:39 |
| lhx_ | jungleboyj, a small issue http://logs.openstack.org/76/506976/8/check/gate-tempest-dsvm-full-devstack-plugin-ceph-ubuntu-xenial/a958f56/console.html#_2017-09-26_03_56_54_125829 | 16:39 |
| jgriffith | :) | 16:39 |
| * jungleboyj head explodes | 16:39 | |
| smcginnis | So minor thing, but we get warning output in test runs because of that. | 16:39 |
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| smcginnis | These take care of that: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/owner:sean.mcginnis%2540gmail.com+status:open+topic:stestr | 16:39 |
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| jgriffith | smcginnis: there seems to be something else with that change that I haven't been able to nail down... | 16:40 |
| e0ne | lhx_: do we have patch for it | 16:40 |
| e0ne | ? | 16:40 |
| smcginnis | jgriffith: With the stestr change? | 16:40 |
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| jgriffith | smcginnis: yeah, but don't want to derail.... and need to try your patch first :) | 16:41 |
| lhx_ | e0ne, I think just add the __init__ file is ok, not sure if it's worthy | 16:41 |
| jgriffith | smcginnis: To Be Continued.... | 16:41 |
| smcginnis | lhx_: No bug needed IMO, but that could be addressed with the move to separate repos for tempest plugins. | 16:42 |
| smcginnis | Or after that move is complete. | 16:42 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Thanks for chasing that. | 16:42 |
| smcginnis | That's all I've got for today. | 16:42 |
| lhx_ | smcginnis, yep, make sense | 16:43 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: For lhx_ problem you are saying he doesn't need to submit a patch or that the patch doesn't need to have a bug created? | 16:43 |
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| lhx_ | jungleboyj, I think it's the latter | 16:44 |
| lhx_ | smcginnis, right? | 16:44 |
| smcginnis | Right, no bug. | 16:44 |
| jungleboyj | lhx_: Ok, just making sure that was clear. :-) I agree, just fix it. | 16:44 |
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| lhx_ | jungleboyj, sure :) | 16:45 |
| jungleboyj | lhx_: Thanks! | 16:45 |
| jungleboyj | Ok ... anything else? | 16:45 |
| lhx_ | you're welcome | 16:45 |
| jungleboyj | :-) | 16:46 |
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| jungleboyj | @!h | 16:46 |
| _pewp_ | jungleboyj (/ .□.) ︵╰(゜Д゜)╯︵ /(.□. ) | 16:46 |
| jungleboyj | Since no one has anything else to share I guess we can wrap up and everyone get 14 minutes back. :-) | 16:46 |
| smcginnis | Thanks! | 16:47 |
| tommylikehu | 13 | 16:47 |
| jungleboyj | Thank you for working on Cinder! | 16:47 |
| lhx_ | thanks | 16:47 |
| jungleboyj | Talk to you all next week. | 16:47 |
| jungleboyj | @! | 16:47 |
| _pewp_ | jungleboyj ( ^_^)／ | 16:47 |
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| jungleboyj | #endmeeting | 16:47 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 16:47 | |
| _alastor_ | o/ | 16:47 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Sep 27 16:47:28 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:47 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2017/cinder.2017-09-27-16.00.html | 16:47 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2017/cinder.2017-09-27-16.00.txt | 16:47 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2017/cinder.2017-09-27-16.00.log.html | 16:47 |
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| e0ne | see you next week | 16:48 |
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| rm_mobile | o/ | 17:01 |
| pksingh | hello | 17:01 |
| dayou | o/ | 17:01 |
| tongl | hi | 17:01 |
| longstaff | o/ | 17:01 |
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| johnsom | #startmeeting Octavia | 17:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Sep 27 17:01:43 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is johnsom. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Octavia)" | 17:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'octavia' | 17:01 |
| johnsom | Hi folks | 17:01 |
| rm_mobile | There we go | 17:01 |
| sanfern | Hi johnsom | 17:02 |
| johnsom | Sorry, talking with nova guys about the 404 I just reproduced local. NIC is not showing up in the instance | 17:02 |
| pksingh | o/ | 17:02 |
| johnsom | #topic Announcements | 17:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: Octavia)" | 17:02 | |
| johnsom | Just a heads up, Zuul v3 is rolling out. | 17:03 |
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| johnsom | This will likely mean some turbulence in our gates for a bit. | 17:03 |
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| johnsom | #link https://docs.openstack.org/infra/manual/zuulv3.html | 17:03 |
| rm_mobile | I thought it did already | 17:04 |
| johnsom | That is the link for more details on zuul v3. | 17:04 |
| johnsom | It's been dragging out as they keep finding bugs. As of last night it was still not fully deployed | 17:04 |
| rm_mobile | Seemed like the pep8 job I looked at the other day was run with v3 | 17:04 |
| johnsom | Quote: We've pretty much run out of daylight though for the majority of the team and there is a tricky zuul-cloner related issue to deal with, so we're not going to push things further tonight. We're leaving most of today's work in place, having gotten far enough that we feel comfortable not rolling back. | 17:05 |
| johnsom | From Monty's email last night | 17:05 |
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| johnsom | Anyway, just a heads up that this is happening and may impact us. | 17:05 |
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| johnsom | In the end it will be a good thing as it will be much easier to update our gates | 17:06 |
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| johnsom | Any other announcements today? | 17:06 |
| johnsom | #topic Meeting time revisit | 17:06 |
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| johnsom | I have got a lot of feedback that the new meeting time is not working out. | 17:07 |
| rm_mobile | I'm dieing right now | 17:07 |
| johnsom | Some active contributors cannot make this time, plus that ^^^ ha | 17:07 |
| rm_mobile | It's too early for me to read words | 17:07 |
| johnsom | So, due to multiple requests I have put up another doodle to re-evaluate the time for the meetings | 17:08 |
| johnsom | #link https://doodle.com/poll/p65x9xxkec52ecaw | 17:08 |
| johnsom | I have put two times in, but we can add others. I also picked the same day, but we have flexibility there too | 17:08 |
| johnsom | Recently the TC approved that we can host our meetings in the lbaas channel, so we are no longer stuck with what slots are available on the main meeting channels | 17:09 |
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| johnsom | Any questions/comments about meeting times? other proposals? | 17:10 |
| tongl | When are we starting to use lbaas channel? | 17:10 |
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| johnsom | I will send out an e-mail and we will have at least one more meeting at this time/channel where I will announce it. | 17:11 |
| tongl | sounds good | 17:11 |
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| johnsom | #topic Brief progress reports / bugs needing review | 17:12 |
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| johnsom | Ok, how are things going? | 17:12 |
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| johnsom | tongl Is this patch still being worked on? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/323645/ | 17:12 |
| patchbot | patch 323645 - neutron-lbaas - Add status in VMware driver | 17:12 |
| rm_mobile | Couple of patches waiting to go in that are the results of the PTG | 17:12 |
| johnsom | It has a -1 comment | 17:12 |
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| johnsom | Yeah, we have a bunch of patches with one +2 on them | 17:13 |
| johnsom | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/(project:openstack/octavia+OR+project:openstack/octavia-dashboard+OR+project:openstack/python-octaviaclient+OR+project:openstack/octavia-tempest-plugin)+AND+status:open+AND+NOT+label:Code-Review%253C0+AND+NOT+label:Verified%253C%253D0+AND+NOT+label:Workflow%253C0 | 17:13 |
| johnsom | opps | 17:13 |
| johnsom | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/(project:openstack/octavia+OR+project:openstack/octavia-dashboard+OR+project:openstack/python-octaviaclient+OR+project:openstack/octavia-tempest-plugin)+AND+status:open+AND+NOT+label:Code-Review%253C0+AND+NOT+label:Verified%253C%253D0+AND+NOT+label:Workflow%253C0 | 17:13 |
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| tongl | johnsom: Let me have a look at it to resolve the comments. It is nsxv driver. | 17:13 |
| johnsom | Some great stuff coming in fixing octavia-dashboard issues | 17:14 |
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| tongl | nice | 17:14 |
| johnsom | I have been trying to catch up on patch reviews. A number have failed when I go to test them out. | 17:14 |
| johnsom | If you have open patches check to see if I have commented. | 17:15 |
| johnsom | Any other patches/bugs to discuss today? | 17:15 |
| pksingh | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/486499 | 17:16 |
| patchbot | patch 486499 - octavia - Add flavor, flavor_profile table and their APIs | 17:16 |
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| pksingh | recently submitted my first patch to octavia, although one gate job is failing but seems unrelated to code | 17:16 |
| pksingh | please submit your reviews | 17:17 |
| johnsom | Looks like that gate failure was the OVH bug with qemu crashing | 17:17 |
| johnsom | Yeah, that one is a infra host issue and not your code. | 17:17 |
| johnsom | #link http://logs.openstack.org/99/486499/13/check/gate-octavia-v1-dsvm-py3x-scenario-multinode/68dec49/logs/libvirt/qemu/instance-00000002.txt.gz | 17:17 |
| johnsom | cirros doesn't even boot there | 17:17 |
| pksingh | ok, thanks :) | 17:18 |
| johnsom | Cool, glad to see that is ready for review! | 17:18 |
| johnsom | Thanks | 17:18 |
| tongl | Is this the flavor support we discussed during PTG? | 17:18 |
| pksingh | implmentation of https://review.openstack.org/#/c/392485/ | 17:19 |
| patchbot | patch 392485 - octavia - Spec detailing Octavia service flavors support (MERGED) | 17:19 |
| pksingh | i got to know by jniesz that someone is working on provider support | 17:20 |
| pksingh | i would like to help there too if any needed | 17:20 |
| johnsom | I think some folks are working on writing up the spec. | 17:21 |
| johnsom | longstaff Do you have an update on how that is going? | 17:21 |
| longstaff | We've been delayed a bit but will be working on it next week | 17:21 |
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| pksingh | johnsom: should we wait for that spec to come up, or we should add flavor_profile metadat to current octavia handler? | 17:22 |
| johnsom | Ok, feel free to post what you have and let some of us hack on it too.... | 17:22 |
| pksingh | i did the same in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/484325/ | 17:23 |
| patchbot | patch 484325 - octavia - [WIP] Add provider Implementation | 17:23 |
| johnsom | pksingh Well, we know it will change, but as long as we are ok re-working it | 17:23 |
| johnsom | It might flush out any issues we missed, etc. | 17:23 |
| pksingh | ok | 17:24 |
| rm_mobile | The spec says it's dependent on providers, is that not really the case? | 17:24 |
| pksingh | yes it dependes on the providers for validating the metadata part of flavor_profile | 17:25 |
| pksingh | i have left that step | 17:25 |
| johnsom | It is, but the octavia driver handler is kind of like a provider (will need to be moved over) | 17:25 |
| pksingh | johnsom: can i move ahead with treating handler as provider? | 17:26 |
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| johnsom | Well, the interface is totally going to change when we do providers | 17:26 |
| pksingh | ok, then i will wait for provider spec to be merged | 17:28 |
| johnsom | I would not spend too much time on the octavia handlers until we get farther with the provider spec | 17:28 |
| johnsom | Ok, so I will work on reviewing the flavors work. Thanks! | 17:29 |
| pksingh | thanks | 17:29 |
| johnsom | #topic Open Discussion | 17:29 |
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| johnsom | Other topics today? | 17:29 |
| rm_work | Admin API stuff | 17:30 |
| rm_work | I have a couple of Admin API type things that I'm going to look at tackling very soon (like, starting today or tomorrow probably) | 17:31 |
| rm_work | Not sure if we want specs or if I should just show up with code | 17:31 |
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| rm_work | the Amphora Info endpoint is up and ready to merge: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/505404/ | 17:31 |
| patchbot | patch 505404 - octavia - Add admin endpoint for amphora info | 17:31 |
| rm_work | the next couple I want to do are: | 17:31 |
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| rm_work | 1) A patch to clear out the spares pool, so when we push a new image, we can get rid of the old spares quickly / easily) | 17:32 |
| johnsom | Spares pool is pretty straight forward, just an rfe is probably good for that | 17:32 |
| rm_work | 2) Something to SYNC / retry LBs that are in bad states (ERROR, and possibly PENDING) because I have seen a number of LBs go to these states recently and it is ridiculous that there is no way to get a LB out of ERROR once it goes there | 17:33 |
| rm_work | I think there are some things we could at least *try* | 17:33 |
| johnsom | Let's talk about that one | 17:34 |
| johnsom | Others? | 17:35 |
| rm_work | also I'm tempted to have Housekeeping pop things from PENDING to ERROR if they've exceeded some timeout since last update | 17:35 |
| rm_work | because when a LB has been in PENDING_UPDATE for 30 minutes, it's obviously stuck | 17:35 |
| rm_work | and that state is immutable | 17:35 |
| jniesz | We have been hit with a couple of lb's going into error, like when amphora fails to get DHCP on boot | 17:35 |
| johnsom | So, I take it there are not others. | 17:36 |
| rm_work | yeah, I think possibly the correct approach for that is just to trigger failovers | 17:36 |
| rm_work | johnsom: not off the top of my head yet | 17:36 |
| jniesz | also when lb is in error, how can we be sure it cleans up all resources? | 17:37 |
| johnsom | So, have you run to ground how these are getting stuck in PENDING_UPDATE? That should not be happening. Is it the controller process being restarted? | 17:37 |
| rm_work | so in that case, should the "failover API call" just ... be the "sync" or should there be more logic? | 17:37 |
| rm_work | johnsom: in at least one case i've seen, yeah, the worker restarts and leaves it hanging | 17:37 |
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| johnsom | Yeah, ok, so the whole job board thing. Did we break the graceful shutdown of the process or is this a host failed situation? | 17:38 |
| rm_work | jniesz: yeah, what i am thinking is we add an "attempt cleanup" method that tries to intelligently remove every piece (starting with VMs, then ports, then SGs) assuming it'll see a lot of 404s, and when it seems like everything is good, then do the failover path | 17:39 |
| rm_work | or just fix the failover path to accept 404s in more places | 17:39 |
| rm_work | johnsom: i think the graceful shutdown is borked | 17:39 |
| jniesz | rm_work agreed that would make cleanup much better | 17:39 |
| johnsom | jniesz That is exactly why the current state machine is ERROR->DELETED | 17:39 |
| rm_work | yeah, because it was "easy" to start | 17:40 |
| rm_work | but telling users "ah, i see your LB randomly went into error for you... time to delete it and start over!" is entirely unacceptable | 17:40 |
| rm_work | the thing i've seen cause ERROR states the most often is actually failovers | 17:40 |
| johnsom | Yeah, I agree with that. I would really like to run to ground WHY they are going into provisioning state ERROR (we are not talking operation status here) | 17:41 |
| rm_work | usually when something dumb happens like a network blip | 17:41 |
| jniesz | or some other openstack component is having issues glance, neutron, etc... | 17:41 |
| rm_work | right, yes | 17:41 |
| johnsom | I'm hearing two things: | 17:41 |
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| rm_work | it's "access to external services" mostly | 17:42 |
| rm_work | so again, is the answer to this maybe "to sync, trigger a failover"? | 17:42 |
| johnsom | 1. We need to figure out why the worker is not gracefully shutting down (not finishing a workflow before exiting) | 17:42 |
| rm_work | because we do have the failover API | 17:42 |
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| johnsom | 2. We need to evaluate adding more retry logic to the flows/tasks | 17:42 |
| rm_work | yes, but also: | 17:42 |
| rm_work | 3. We need to provide some way to clean up stuff that still manages to get into an undefined state | 17:43 |
| rm_work | Because we are awesome but not awesome enough that I predict everything will always be bug-free | 17:43 |
| johnsom | Yeah. Sadly failing over an ERROR object could mean you get into a worse state | 17:43 |
| rm_work | and us saying "well, we really should figure out *why*" when an operator has stuck LBs is not useful | 17:44 |
| rm_work | so the ability to clean up PENDING state stuff (as an operator, like, FORCE-DELETE) would be nice | 17:44 |
| johnsom | Like losing the VIP IP or having half an LB updated (one amp failover) | 17:44 |
| rm_work | yes, these things are bad | 17:45 |
| rm_work | and sometimes it happens | 17:45 |
| rm_work | and our delete flows also need to be improved a bit I think, because about 50% of the time something goes to ERROR, a delete is just going to ERROR-loop | 17:45 |
| johnsom | That is bad. Delete should be able to clean up ERROR cleanly | 17:46 |
| rm_work | things like the "security group in use" issue still bite us even in the gate sometimes | 17:46 |
| rm_work | i've tried to fix that in my own driver | 17:46 |
| rm_work | but it's tricky | 17:46 |
| johnsom | Really? I have ONLY seen that in the gate when the main process failed due to coding bugs | 17:46 |
| tongl | I once had that ERROR-loop issue and ending up clean up the data to remove the lb resources. | 17:46 |
| tongl | database | 17:47 |
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| rm_work | yeah i have to dig into the DB | 17:47 |
| rm_work | quite often | 17:47 |
| jniesz | same here | 17:47 |
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| johnsom | Yeah, so what I hope we can do is capture these as bugs, with logs, so we can understand the failure mechanism and work on good mitigation options. | 17:47 |
| rm_work | so, my plan would be a call that: A) ignores the state, so you can do a delete in any state; B) tries to first catalogue every possible object that we need to clean up; C) attempts to carefully clean up all of them | 17:48 |
| johnsom | It also let's us discuss the pro/cons as some of these solutions have some really dangerous side effects | 17:48 |
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| johnsom | Like this one, if it's used while a controller is still working on the objects (still has the lock) you get into cases where your force-delete command cleans up parts, but controller goes and creates more orphaned objects. | 17:50 |
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| johnsom | It's like it would need to check with the controllers to see if they are still "active" with that object | 17:50 |
| rm_work | then what about the suggestion that HK flips things to ERROR after a configured timeout? | 17:51 |
| johnsom | Our original plan for this was the job board implementation, where it passes the flow token to different controllers if one fails to check in and move it forward. | 17:51 |
| rm_work | and we just assume you need to wait until that, and at that point anything is done | 17:51 |
| rm_work | hmm | 17:51 |
| rm_work | yeah i mean, jobboard would be great, we've been talking about it for 3 years | 17:52 |
| johnsom | True. Act/Act for 2ish | 17:52 |
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| johnsom | Are we ok with starting by capturing these scenarios in bugs (stories)? | 17:53 |
| johnsom | I think we need to be capturing these and discussing solutions. | 17:53 |
| tongl | I am ok with that | 17:53 |
| jniesz | yes, I think looking at the specific use cases is a good start | 17:53 |
| jniesz | specific issues | 17:54 |
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| johnsom | rm_work ? | 17:55 |
| rm_work | ok. probably I will make this API in the meantime, but only use it downstream | 17:55 |
| rm_work | and when we figure out what we need, i can tweak and push it up | 17:55 |
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| johnsom | Yeah, I just think it's going to get abused by folks not thinking about the situation enough. | 17:55 |
| johnsom | That is the concern. | 17:56 |
| rm_work | probably, but meanwhile i need runbooks to give to people who don't know octavia much, and will keep me out of 24/7 on-call | 17:56 |
| johnsom | Big red buttons are shiny | 17:56 |
| rm_work | and as long as I design the big red button, i'd rather have them press that than the "call me at 2am on a weekend" button | 17:56 |
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| johnsom | Yeah, I just don't like spending days deleting orphaned objects, corrupt DBs | 17:57 |
| rm_work | i'm already DOING that | 17:57 |
| rm_work | but I think I can find the orphaned stuff | 17:57 |
| rm_work | with code | 17:57 |
| johnsom | Ok, so looking forward to some bugs so we can understand the problems | 17:58 |
| johnsom | Grin | 17:58 |
| johnsom | We have two minutes, any other quick topics? | 17:58 |
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| jniesz | is the plan to use failover api for changing flavors? | 17:59 |
| johnsom | Oye, that is a topic isn't it | 17:59 |
| johnsom | Can I put it on the agenda for next week? | 17:59 |
| johnsom | Or in the channel. | 17:59 |
| johnsom | We are out of time. | 18:00 |
| jniesz | ok | 18:00 |
| bh526r | #startmeeting gluon | 18:00 |
| openstack | bh526r: Error: Can't start another meeting, one is in progress. Use #endmeeting first. | 18:00 |
| johnsom | #endmeeting | 18:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 18:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Sep 27 18:00:15 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/octavia/2017/octavia.2017-09-27-17.01.html | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/octavia/2017/octavia.2017-09-27-17.01.txt | 18:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/octavia/2017/octavia.2017-09-27-17.01.log.html | 18:00 |
| bh526r | #startmeeting gluon | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Sep 27 18:00:31 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bh526r. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: gluon)" | 18:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'gluon' | 18:00 |
| bh526r | #topic Roll Call | 18:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Roll Call (Meeting topic: gluon)" | 18:00 | |
| bh526r | #info Bin Hu | 18:00 |
| jinli | #info JinLi | 18:01 |
| bh526r | Hi Jin, good morning? | 18:01 |
| jinli | hi Bin | 18:01 |
| krenczewski | #info Kamil Renczewski | 18:01 |
| bh526r | Hi Kamil | 18:01 |
| jinli | Hi Kamil | 18:01 |
| krenczewski | Hi Bin and Jin | 18:01 |
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| bh526r | #topic Admin update | 18:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Admin update (Meeting topic: gluon)" | 18:02 | |
| bh526r | #info Nothing from my side | 18:02 |
| bh526r | #topic Planning for PoC in OpenStack Summit in Sydney | 18:02 |
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| bh526r | Looks like Huawei has backed off | 18:03 |
| bh526r | So we may have to put it on hold | 18:04 |
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| bh526r | I assume no update from Kamil as well, right? | 18:04 |
| krenczewski | Not yet | 18:04 |
| krenczewski | Just reviewing and merging old patches | 18:05 |
| krenczewski | I mean patches since Sukhdev was on vacation | 18:05 |
| bh526r | sounds good | 18:05 |
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| bh526r | #info No update. Kamil has been focusing on reviewing and merging the old patches | 18:06 |
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| bh526r | #topic Planning for Gluon Queens Release | 18:06 |
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| bh526r | #info 1. Refactor Gluon as Neutron Service Plugin | 18:07 |
| bh526r | #info Sukhdev created a new repo for Neutron service plugin - networking-gluon | 18:07 |
| bh526r | #info 2. Jin has pushed a patch to fix a bug at backend | 18:07 |
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| bh526r | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/507299/ | 18:07 |
| patchbot | patch 507299 - gluon - Change status code to 200 (MERGED) | 18:07 |
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| bh526r | #info It was approved and merged, anc cherrypicked to stable/pike | 18:08 |
| jinli | Hi Bin, i will schedule a meeting with you tomorrow to discuss the backend | 18:08 |
| bh526r | Sure, thank you Jin | 18:08 |
| bh526r | nothing else from my side | 18:08 |
| jinli | tomorrow 1pm work for you? | 18:08 |
| bh526r | How about 12:30pm? I have a hard stop at 1:30pm. | 18:09 |
| jinli | sure | 18:09 |
| jinli | will do it | 18:09 |
| bh526r | Thank you Jin | 18:09 |
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| bh526r | anything else from either of you? | 18:10 |
| krenczewski | I am good | 18:10 |
| jinli | that's all from me, I will send out meeting invitation | 18:10 |
| bh526r | Great. So we always keep our meeting short, and focus on real work, which is good :) | 18:10 |
| bh526r | We can adjourn, and Kamil can enjoy a good night :) | 18:11 |
| bh526r | #info Nothing else, meeting is adjourned | 18:11 |
| bh526r | #endmeeting | 18:11 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Sep 27 18:11:27 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:11 |
| jinli | bye bin and kamil | 18:11 |
| krenczewski | Great, thanks and bye | 18:11 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/gluon/2017/gluon.2017-09-27-18.00.html | 18:11 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/gluon/2017/gluon.2017-09-27-18.00.txt | 18:11 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/gluon/2017/gluon.2017-09-27-18.00.log.html | 18:11 |
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| bh526r | Thank you Kamil and Jin, and bye all | 18:11 |
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| Zara | anyone about for the storyboard meeting? | 18:56 |
| * Zara will give it a minute or two | 18:57 | |
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| Zara | a minute or two has passed, I get the impression nobody else wants a meeting :D | 18:59 |
| Zara | fair enough, no meeting this week! | 19:00 |
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| Zara | we're always available in #storyboard for any questions etc | 19:00 |
| SotK | o/ | 19:00 |
| SotK | oh | 19:00 |
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| SotK | too late xD | 19:00 |
| Zara | TOO LATE | 19:01 |
| fungi | heh | 19:01 |
| fungi | clearly i should set my meeting reminder to be _before_ the meeting time ;) | 19:02 |
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| Zara | well if people want one we can still have one, but I get the impression nobody's fussed | 19:02 |
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| fungi | nope, just wanted to make sure i was around _in case_ there was a meeting | 19:04 |
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| SotK | I have no urgent need for one | 19:04 |
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| notmyname | #startmeeting swift | 21:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Sep 27 21:01:08 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is notmyname. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'swift' | 21:01 |
| notmyname | who's here for the swift meeting? | 21:01 |
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| mattoliverau | o/ | 21:01 |
| kota_ | o/ | 21:01 |
| tdasilva | hi | 21:01 |
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| acoles | happy triage day | 21:02 |
| jungleboyj | @! | 21:02 |
| _pewp_ | jungleboyj ( ^_^)／ | 21:02 |
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| notmyname | #topic bug triage day | 21:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "bug triage day (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:02 | |
| notmyname | the only topic today is bug triage day | 21:02 |
| mathiasb | o/ | 21:02 |
| notmyname | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/swift-bug-triage-list | 21:02 |
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| notmyname | #link https://bugs.not.mn/project/swift/bug_trends/None | 21:02 |
| notmyname | so how is it going? | 21:03 |
| notmyname | I've been in meetings all day | 21:03 |
| kota_ | me too, in fact. | 21:03 |
| notmyname | (speaking of which, a quick summary from the put/post meeting earlier would be nice as the next topic) | 21:03 |
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| timburke | it goes. i'm currently stuck trying to remove swift from a bug without getting a 503 though | 21:05 |
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| notmyname | any questions that have come up related to open bugs? anything we need to discuss? | 21:05 |
| notmyname | this may be a very short meeting ;-) | 21:05 |
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| tdasilva | same as timburke...it goes... | 21:06 |
| timburke | https://bugs.launchpad.net/swift/+bug/1695273 is reasonably interesting/worth discussing -- should we be more opinionated about what gets counted in our error stats? | 21:06 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1695273 in OpenStack Object Storage (swift) "Subrequests from ratelimit for /auth/v1.0 considered as proxy-server errors" [Undecided,New] | 21:06 |
| notmyname | ok | 21:06 |
| mattoliverau | I haven't started yet, as I'm triaging on meeting day | 21:06 |
| mattoliverau | But looking at the graphs, do we need track new (or untriaged) bugs | 21:07 |
| mattoliverau | I don't see em | 21:07 |
| mattoliverau | Or maybe I need to zoom in | 21:07 |
| tdasilva | notmyname: I was thinking that maybe it would have been better to have like a goal in mind. 'let's commit to triage 5 bugs today' | 21:07 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: I think tdasilva made some updates to the code. tdasilva can I redeploy it? | 21:07 |
| timburke | i still don't even see graphs :-) | 21:07 |
| acoles | I got though a few. having the day marked on my calendar definitely forced me to make give some time to it. | 21:07 |
| notmyname | timburke: yeah, reload it. sometimes works for me | 21:07 |
| tdasilva | notmyname: nothing new to deploy yet, sorry...was just starting to play with it | 21:07 |
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| tdasilva | mattoliverau: I'd go by the etherpad | 21:08 |
| tdasilva | acoles: yeah, me too :) | 21:08 |
| notmyname | timburke: IMO about that error, there was another bug about ratelimit + auth and RL+s3, so it may all be related to rl just not checkign the right thing? | 21:08 |
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| notmyname | tdasilva: acoles: good to hear (about the calendar day prompting you to look at more) | 21:09 |
| mattoliverau | Oh yeah, I plan too.. just looking at graphs cause graphs are cool | 21:09 |
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| acoles | I found myself setting some Wishlist bugs to Confirmed just to get them out of New status. does that make sense? I suppose we might reject a wishlist bug. | 21:09 |
| notmyname | acoles: yeah, that sounds fine | 21:09 |
| timburke | yeah, there are three parts to it -- i was about to just close it because the first two were better written up as separate (and referenced!) bugs when i noticed the ask about proxy-logging | 21:09 |
| notmyname | and yes I can totally imagine rejecting a wishlist bug :-) | 21:10 |
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| tdasilva | I just rejected a wishlist bug as 'won't fix' :/ | 21:10 |
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| notmyname | ok, doesn't sound like a lot of questions about bug triage... | 21:12 |
| notmyname | keep up the good work :-) | 21:12 |
| notmyname | #topic put/post meeting summary | 21:12 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to "put/post meeting summary (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:12 | |
| notmyname | zaitcev: would you like to give a summary of this morning's meeting? | 21:12 |
| notmyname | tdasilva: do you have the recording link? | 21:12 |
| notmyname | (anyone else can give a summary too) | 21:13 |
| zaitcev | notmyname: sure | 21:13 |
| tdasilva | looking for link | 21:13 |
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| acoles | is zaitcev here? | 21:14 |
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| mattoliverau | Well we said 'sure' so yeah | 21:14 |
| mattoliverau | *he | 21:14 |
| zaitcev | We considered what was done and found that I didn't realize that our commit protocol had 3 distinct phases. Instead, I only implemented 2, by squishing metadata write and the commit to durable together. So this needs to change. | 21:14 |
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| tdasilva | #link https://bluejeans.com/s/CG9yI/ | 21:15 |
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| notmyname | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/427911/ | 21:15 |
| patchbot | patch 427911 - swift - PUT+POST and its development test | 21:15 |
| notmyname | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/427911/ | 21:15 |
| patchbot | patch 427911 - swift - PUT+POST and its development test | 21:15 |
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| zaitcev | Otherwise, there weren't any major concerns raised. Nobody objected to 20-minute timeouts for re-probing servers, or to the protocol detection tricks. | 21:16 |
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| notmyname | from the high level, this patch zaitcev is working on is very important because it unblocks a few other things going on (clay removing evently, alex doing LOSF, eventually a golang storage server) | 21:17 |
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| notmyname | this patch means that the object server is back to being "real" http instead of relying on features that we implemented in eventlet's https server | 21:17 |
| notmyname | acoles: tdasilva: timburke: anything else to add about the meeting this mroning? | 21:17 |
| notmyname | zaitcev: what's the next step? | 21:18 |
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| zaitcev | Oh, and also! I managed to complain about our unit tests that are so insanely complex that I could not adapt them to the new code, so when you run .unittests on that thing, it just forces old EC. | 21:18 |
| tdasilva | notmyname, zaitcev: i think we also need to look at the solution torgomatic had for the linkat path, right? | 21:19 |
| notmyname | ah, right | 21:19 |
| torgomatic | yeah, I need to get that cleaned up enough that I can post it somewhere without too much shame | 21:19 |
| zaitcev | notmyname: I'm going to create PUT+POST+POST that has 3 phases, run "git review', hope I'm not wasting your time with this. | 21:19 |
| acoles | zaitcev: you are not wasting time | 21:20 |
| zaitcev | oh, yeah, the linkat(2) | 21:20 |
| notmyname | not at all | 21:20 |
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| tdasilva | torgomatic: is this patch still desired as part of this exercise: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/340526/ | 21:20 |
| patchbot | patch 340526 - swift - Unify Putter and MIMEPutter into a single class. | 21:20 |
| acoles | we need PUT->temp file, POST ->non-durable .data file, POST -> durable data file | 21:20 |
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| clayg | so many verbs! | 21:20 |
| acoles | first post carries the metadata, second post is the commit | 21:21 |
| zaitcev | acoles: thanks for clarification, that's how I understood the necessary change. | 21:21 |
| torgomatic | tdasilva: I mean, I think it's good to have, otherwise crypto or other footer-using things are going to end up still having MIME in their protocol | 21:21 |
| timburke | i wonder if we might be able to still use 100-continue to collapse the two POSTs... i don't think we'd need to send any headers with it, then | 21:22 |
| zaitcev | I have looked at that unified thing and was indiffirent to it... It does not hurt PUT+POST, although currently it's convenient to use a whole new class (DoublePutter) and flip it over. But it can be done with some kind of argument to .connect() as well. | 21:22 |
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| clayg | @timburke you just blew my mind! | 21:25 |
| clayg | I would expect any request would a body *could* send expect: 100-continue | 21:25 |
| notmyname | what's the next step? zaitcev will push a new patch and we review it, expecting it to land? or is there more obvious work to do? (ie are we including all this in the first patch or doing that later?) | 21:26 |
| timburke | clayg: and we could just have that body be a 0-byte chunk like what i'm doing in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/476992/ | 21:27 |
| patchbot | patch 476992 - swift - Make If-None-Match:* work properly with 0-byte PUTs | 21:27 |
| acoles | notmyname: we need to address the unit test issue | 21:28 |
| notmyname | ok | 21:28 |
| clayg | timburke: hrm... 100-continue chunked transfer... yes... | 21:28 |
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| notmyname | unless we have more logistics or something like that to cover, I think details of implementation could be discussed in -swift (and we can end this one earlier or allow for other things) | 21:29 |
| notmyname | #topic open discussion | 21:29 |
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| notmyname | anything else to bring up this week? | 21:29 |
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| mattoliverau | I just wanted to thank acoles and timburke on all the awesome sharding cleanup patches | 21:29 |
| timburke | and thanks torgomatic and zaitcev for landing https://review.openstack.org/#/c/506410/ ! | 21:30 |
| patchbot | patch 506410 - swift - Stop reloading swift.common.utils in test_daemon (MERGED) | 21:30 |
| timburke | it'll unblock mattoliverau's https://review.openstack.org/#/c/506002/ | 21:30 |
| patchbot | patch 506002 - swift (feature/deep) - Use temp db and a rename for set_sharding_state | 21:30 |
| acoles | mattoliverau: you did the hard work | 21:30 |
| notmyname | tdasilva: can you give a quick summary of the swift3 call we had last week? | 21:32 |
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| notmyname | notes from the swift3 meeting are at | 21:32 |
| notmyname | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/s3api-middleware | 21:32 |
| tdasilva | sure, we had another meeting to discuss how we should go about adding the swift3 middleware to swift tree | 21:32 |
| tdasilva | we listed some of the patches that should be merged before doing a last release on swift3 | 21:33 |
| mattoliverau | MbS | 21:33 |
| tdasilva | and also came up with a list of work that would need to get done on the feature branch before the new s3api middleware lands on master | 21:33 |
| mattoliverau | Sorry that was the toddler on my lap | 21:33 |
| tdasilva | it's all on the etherpad ^^^ | 21:33 |
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| kota_ | nice tdasilva thanks | 21:34 |
| notmyname | anything else going on that needs a status update? | 21:34 |
| m_kazuhiro | I think symlink patch #232162 is ready for review and it looks good to me. So please review it. | 21:34 |
| patchbot | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/232162/ - swift - Symlink implementation. | 21:34 |
| notmyname | I think we covered the big stuff I know of | 21:34 |
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| tdasilva | yes, please help review symlink patch, i know it's a bit on the fringe of everybody work, but it would be nice if we could finally merge it | 21:35 |
| tdasilva | as it would unblock m_kazuhiro tiering work | 21:35 |
| mattoliverau | For those of us in Australia.. day light savings changes this weekend (I think) | 21:35 |
| notmyname | yeah, unfortunately on the fringe, but definitely something that is needed | 21:35 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: ah, ok. so you'll be one more hour apart | 21:36 |
| notmyname | (I think) | 21:36 |
| mattoliverau | Yeah, I go forward an hour | 21:36 |
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| notmyname | oh, you'll be closer then | 21:36 |
| mattoliverau | So this will be an hour later | 21:36 |
| notmyname | (to CA) | 21:36 |
| clayg | just came up in a meeting here a few minutes ago - well more like "tiering" - but symlinks was explicitly called out as an important primitive regardless. | 21:36 |
| mattoliverau | Which isn't bad for this meeting :) | 21:36 |
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| notmyname | I think we're good for this meeting this week :-) | 21:38 |
| notmyname | thanks for coming | 21:38 |
| notmyname | keep up the good work on bug triaging | 21:38 |
| notmyname | and thanks for working on swift | 21:38 |
| notmyname | #endmeeting | 21:38 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Sep 27 21:38:40 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:38 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2017/swift.2017-09-27-21.01.html | 21:38 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2017/swift.2017-09-27-21.01.txt | 21:38 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2017/swift.2017-09-27-21.01.log.html | 21:38 |
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