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| zhiyuan | hi | 00:59 |
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| Yipei | hi | 01:00 |
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| zhiyuan | let's start our meeting | 01:01 |
| zhiyuan | #startmeeting tricircle | 01:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Sep 13 01:01:44 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is zhiyuan. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 01:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 01:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tricircle' | 01:01 |
| zhiyuan | one thing to share, screen is removed from DevStack master | 01:02 |
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| joehuang | hello | 01:03 |
| zhiyuan | the USE_SCREEN option will not take effect, we need to use systemd to interact with the services instead | 01:03 |
| zhiyuan | hi joe | 01:03 |
| RonghUI | yes now we can use systemctl to debug process | 01:03 |
| zhiyuan | #link https://docs.openstack.org/devstack/latest/systemd.html | 01:03 |
| joehuang | not so convinenet | 01:03 |
| zhiyuan | here is link discussing how to use systemd in DevStack, though I like screen better | 01:04 |
| RonghUI | It seems that systemd dont support the process switch in one window | 01:05 |
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| zhiyuan | to debug service, we need to use pdb, stop the systemd unit, then start the service manually | 01:05 |
| zhiyuan | or use remote-pdb | 01:05 |
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| joehuang | we can still start the process manually but not run as service, isn't it? | 01:06 |
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| zhiyuan | to ronghui, then what will happen if you use journalctl to see the logs of multiple services? | 01:07 |
| RonghUI | it is fine to use journalctl to see the log | 01:07 |
| zhiyuan | to joe, yes, so you can start a screen and run the services inside the screen | 01:08 |
| RonghUI | just like the other commands | 01:08 |
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| RonghUI | and i think there is no different to use journalctl or vim to see the logs | 01:09 |
| zhiyuan | to ronghui, after executing journalctl, if new logs come, can you see that? or you need to issue another journalctl command? | 01:09 |
| RonghUI | no it synchronizes | 01:10 |
| zhiyuan | good | 01:10 |
| zhiyuan | I am still using an old version DevStack so haven't tried the systemd way | 01:11 |
| RonghUI | dont change to the newest Devstack verison | 01:12 |
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| RonghUI | you will regret | 01:12 |
| zhiyuan | why? | 01:12 |
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| zhiyuan | it seems that you are familiar with the systemd way now | 01:13 |
| RonghUI | if you want to see different service logs, you need to open different windows | 01:13 |
| zhiyuan | ah, or you can start a screen session by yourself | 01:14 |
| RonghUI | and if you restart the service, the related information will not display after the restart command | 01:14 |
| RonghUI | so you need to see the logs screen | 01:14 |
| RonghUI | I feel very troublesome | 01:15 |
| zhiyuan | hmm, so during debugging, manually staring the service seems a better way | 01:15 |
| zhiyuan | then all the information will be printed to the window | 01:16 |
| RonghUI | yes and if so, it is no differents from the general method | 01:17 |
| zhiyuan | restarting several services together will be easy using systemd :) | 01:18 |
| RonghUI | yes | 01:18 |
| zhiyuan | ok, next | 01:19 |
| joehuang | the reason to use systemd is to make the development environment being similar like the production environment as much as possible | 01:19 |
| zhiyuan | to joe, agree, but I think "Dev"Stack is for development | 01:20 |
| zhiyuan | since joe didn't attend the last meeting, I would like to revisit the storyboard migration topic | 01:21 |
| zhiyuan | #topic storyboard migration | 01:22 |
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| zhiyuan | the storyboard team has prepared scripts to automatically migrate all the open bugs | 01:23 |
| joehuang | when should the migration be done | 01:23 |
| zhiyuan | haven't received a deadline, but the storyboard team hopes we can migrate soon | 01:25 |
| joehuang | fine | 01:26 |
| zhiyuan | it's said that they have done some tests on the scripts of our project | 01:26 |
| joehuang | will the milestone management be migrated too | 01:26 |
| zhiyuan | blueprint and closed bugs will not be automatically migrated though | 01:27 |
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| zhiyuan | the history is kept in launchpad | 01:27 |
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| joehuang | inconvenient for history tracing | 01:29 |
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| joehuang | we may discuss the milstone and plan in PTG | 01:30 |
| zhiyuan | yes | 01:31 |
| zhiyuan | so I reach the storyboard team to start the migration? | 01:33 |
| joehuang | ok | 01:34 |
| zhiyuan | fine | 01:34 |
| zhiyuan | #topic feature progress | 01:35 |
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| Yipei | lbaas is almost done, i am writing installation and configuration guide for lbaas | 01:36 |
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| zhiyuan | I tested the qos but still met some problems. The test step: (1) create network/subnet in centralregion (2) boot VM in regionone (3) create qos in centralregion (4) update network with qos (5) async job is triggered but fails | 01:37 |
| RonghUI | i also do the same test in qos and find some error in q-svc0 service | 01:38 |
| zhiyuan | to yipei, what about the multi-subnet case, let's say subnet1 in region1, subnet2 in region2, lbaas in region1, after you add a member of region2, subnet2 is automatically created in region1? | 01:39 |
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| Yipei | yes, i tested the code under review | 01:39 |
| Yipei | it works | 01:40 |
| zhiyuan | to ronghui, so you can debug based on logs. in my test, the expected result is that qos will be created in regionone | 01:40 |
| RonghUI | to zhiyuan, what log you saw about async job error | 01:40 |
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| zhiyuan | it says you try to access a list with string index | 01:40 |
| zhiyuan | like rules[rule_type], but rules is a list | 01:41 |
| zhiyuan | you treat it as a dict | 01:41 |
| Yipei | neutron lbaas only checks whether the subnet exists, when neutron lbaas try getting the subnet, local neutron will create the bottom network as well as subnet | 01:41 |
| Yipei | which is implemented in this patch #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/498407/ | 01:42 |
| RonghUI | to zhiyuan, not created in RegionOne, QoS created in CentralRegion and if update the port in the CentralRegion, it will synchronize in port of RegionOne | 01:43 |
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| zhiyuan | so adding a member will attaching a port to amphora, this will trigger our cross-region vxlan networking process, then amphora can reach the member VM, is that correct? | 01:44 |
| Yipei | yes, that's right | 01:44 |
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| zhiyuan | to ronghui, but the qos also need to be created in RegionOne, after that the port in RegionOne can be updated with that qos | 01:46 |
| zhiyuan | to yipei, i see | 01:46 |
| RonghUI | yes and QoS creating in Region wil happen when update the port, but it failed | 01:47 |
| joehuang | Hi, I have to leave for another meeting | 01:48 |
| joehuang | sorry leave early | 01:48 |
| RonghUI | of Bye | 01:48 |
| RonghUI | sorry ok Bye | 01:49 |
| zhiyuan | fine, Joe, bye | 01:49 |
| Yipei | bye, joe | 01:49 |
| zhiyuan | in my network case, the qos rule syncing fail, so I think they are different issues | 01:49 |
| zhiyuan | I update the **network** with qos | 01:50 |
| RonghUI | ok i will try to fix it | 01:52 |
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| zhiyuan | you can fix your port case first | 01:53 |
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| RonghUI | ok | 01:54 |
| zhiyuan | #topic open discussion | 01:54 |
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| zhiyuan | any other topics? | 01:54 |
| Yipei | no | 01:54 |
| RonghUI | no for me | 01:55 |
| zhiyuan | ok, thanks for attending the meeting | 01:56 |
| zhiyuan | #endmeeting | 01:56 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Sep 13 01:56:43 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 01:56 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2017/tricircle.2017-09-13-01.01.html | 01:56 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2017/tricircle.2017-09-13-01.01.txt | 01:56 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2017/tricircle.2017-09-13-01.01.log.html | 01:56 |
| zhiyuan | bye | 01:56 |
| Yipei | bye | 01:57 |
| RonghUI | bye | 01:58 |
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| gongysh | #startmeeting tacker | 04:31 |
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| gongysh | hi | 04:32 |
| gongysh | #topic roll call | 04:32 |
| tung_doan | o/ | 04:33 |
| gongysh | who are here to join tacker meeting? | 04:33 |
| tung_doan | Hi all | 04:33 |
| YanXing_an | o/ | 04:33 |
| gongysh | tung_doan, welcome. | 04:33 |
| tbh_ | o/ | 04:33 |
| gongysh | this time, you are not late. | 04:33 |
| gongysh | tbh_, hi | 04:33 |
| tbh_ | hi gongysh | 04:33 |
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| philly | o/ | 04:35 |
| tung_doan | gongysh: Hi :) | 04:35 |
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| gongysh | philly, hi | 04:35 |
| gongysh | welcome to tacker meeting | 04:35 |
| philly | I am Phuoc, I use my phone so I changed my id | 04:36 |
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| gongysh | Today, I have to leave early, in 25 mins. | 04:36 |
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| gongysh | so if you guys want to talk, you can go to tacker irc | 04:37 |
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| gongysh | tacker irc is also recorded. | 04:37 |
| gongysh | #topic discuss the agenda of vPTG | 04:37 |
| gongysh | vPTG of tacker is going to happen tomorrow. | 04:37 |
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| gongysh | according to the https://beta.doodle.com/poll/wkn6phxvnc8r66sv, | 04:38 |
| gongysh | we will have it at UTC 4:00, which is 30 mins earlier than tacker meeting. | 04:38 |
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| gongysh | tung_doan, will you have time to join? | 04:38 |
| tung_doan | it is quite hard for me. But i will try to join gongysh | 04:39 |
| gongysh | we can let you have your session at your convienience. | 04:39 |
| tung_doan | yes.. the first presentation if possible | 04:39 |
| tung_doan | gongysh: ^^ | 04:40 |
| tung_doan | thanks | 04:40 |
| philly | It is my first time I join, should I prepare pptx about the topic | 04:40 |
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| gongysh | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tacker-queen-grooming | 04:40 |
| gongysh | tung_doan, so you will take the first session 4:00 - 4:40? | 04:40 |
| tung_doan | gongysh: maybe i will ask philly to change my slot | 04:41 |
| tung_doan | I need to leave early tomorrow | 04:41 |
| gongysh | tung_doan, ok | 04:41 |
| gongysh | @all, please update the time slot to put your own session in place. | 04:42 |
| gongysh | thanks | 04:42 |
| gongysh | philly, you can have pptx and even demo. | 04:42 |
| gongysh | we will use zoom | 04:42 |
| gongysh | zoom.us | 04:42 |
| gongysh | we can share screen, use audio and video | 04:43 |
| philly | I will prepare pptx about some scenario to apply Kubernetes as VIM | 04:43 |
| philly | There are no demo, I hope it works in the near future :) | 04:44 |
| gongysh | philly, great. | 04:44 |
| gongysh | also please put your effort you will commit to tacker queens cycle at https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tacker-queen-grooming | 04:45 |
| gongysh | this cycle. we will approve spec with code accompanion. | 04:45 |
| gongysh | since in previous cycle, we have some spec merged, but there is no codes for it. | 04:46 |
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| gongysh | to prevent the dangling spec, we will approve spec with codes. | 04:46 |
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| YanXing_an | Got it | 04:47 |
| gongysh | and we don't need separate slots for some obvious features. | 04:48 |
| gongysh | such as 'improve the returned message, make it more readable, specifically for all “Internal error”.(YanXing_an)' | 04:48 |
| gongysh | these stuff, we can just register bp, and start to do it. | 04:49 |
| gongysh | #topic open discussion | 04:49 |
| gongysh | that's from my side. | 04:49 |
| gongysh | do you guys have anything to talk before vPTG? | 04:50 |
| YanXing_an | You mean we do not need spec for this ? Agree | 04:50 |
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| gongysh | YanXing_an, some small improvement does not need patch for spec. | 04:51 |
| gongysh | just register a BP on launchpad and do it. | 04:51 |
| YanXing_an | Yes, surely agree | 04:52 |
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| gongysh | tung_doan, do you have something to say? | 04:53 |
| gongysh | philly, and you? | 04:53 |
| tung_doan | not now gongysh, will ping you later in tacker-channel | 04:53 |
| gongysh | ok | 04:54 |
| tung_doan | thanks | 04:54 |
| tung_doan | :) | 04:54 |
| gongysh | tbh_, and you? | 04:54 |
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| philly | I tried to submit the bp about K8s as VIM | 04:54 |
| philly | But I can not get the discussion | 04:55 |
| gongysh | philly, yes, please have more detail at the spec | 04:55 |
| philly | Okie | 04:55 |
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| philly | I want to show idea first | 04:55 |
| philly | I the detail will follow later | 04:56 |
| philly | I will update it | 04:56 |
| tbh_ | gongysh nothing from my side at the moment | 04:56 |
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| gongysh | ok | 04:57 |
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| gongysh | by the way, I have installed tacker pike via kolla, and will share it. | 04:59 |
| gongysh | thanks everyone | 04:59 |
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| gongysh | #endmeeting | 04:59 |
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| b1airo | o/ jakeyip | 09:51 |
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| martial_ | I guess we are just on time | 11:00 |
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| oneswig | lets get the show on the road | 11:00 |
| oneswig | #startmeeting scientific-wg | 11:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Sep 13 11:00:27 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is oneswig. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 11:00 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 11:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: scientific-wg)" | 11:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'scientific_wg' | 11:00 |
| oneswig | #chair martial | 11:00 |
| openstack | Warning: Nick not in channel: martial | 11:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: martial oneswig | 11:00 |
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| oneswig | #chair martial_ | 11:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: martial martial_ oneswig | 11:00 |
| oneswig | Greetings | 11:01 |
| martial_ | thanks Stig | 11:01 |
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| martial_ | what's on our agenda this am? | 11:01 |
| oneswig | #link Agenda for today https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Scientific_working_group | 11:01 |
| oneswig | Good morning martial_ | 11:01 |
| oneswig | bright and early today | 11:01 |
| priteau | Good morning | 11:01 |
| priteau | Or afternoon | 11:01 |
| oneswig | Hi priteau | 11:01 |
| martial_ | Hi Pierre | 11:02 |
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| b1airo | evening | 11:03 |
| martial_ | #chair b1airo | 11:03 |
| openstack | Current chairs: b1airo martial martial_ oneswig | 11:03 |
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| b1airo | two martials? | 11:03 |
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| oneswig | Typo on my part. | 11:03 |
| oneswig | He gets two votes :-) | 11:03 |
| martial_ | I know, strange | 11:04 |
| b1airo | ah hh | 11:04 |
| b1airo | how is your new job going martial_ ? | 11:04 |
| oneswig | just four of us thus far. verdurin sends his apologies - can't make it today | 11:04 |
| martial_ | b1airo: keeping me busy but that is expected | 11:04 |
| oneswig | Same for enol, sends his apologies but tells me the federation section is coming together well | 11:04 |
| oneswig | Apparently, expecting a case study from Nectar today... | 11:05 |
| oneswig | martial_: what is your new role at DataMachines? | 11:05 |
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| b1airo | i see belmoreira is online, maybe we can quiz him on Ironic at CERN... | 11:05 |
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| martial_ | oneswig: I will start shaping the research outreach of company in time | 11:06 |
| daveholland | (apols for lateness) | 11:06 |
| b1airo | hi daveholland | 11:07 |
| oneswig | Hi daveholland, welcome - just getting going | 11:07 |
| priteau | Congratulations on the new job martial_ | 11:07 |
| martial_ | priteau: thanks | 11:07 |
| oneswig | b1airo: good idea - we are missing a case study on infrastructure management... | 11:07 |
| martial_ | we should also talk ORC and P2302 on today's meeting | 11:08 |
| b1airo | P2302...? | 11:08 |
| oneswig | martial_: lets do that. | 11:08 |
| oneswig | So without further ado | 11:08 |
| oneswig | #topic Taking advantage of opportunistic capacity on OpenStack | 11:08 |
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| b1airo | ah the standard on interop | 11:08 |
| martial_ | b1airo: yep | 11:09 |
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| oneswig | So last week we discussed a little about how to make the most of unused available resource, but I don't think there was a clear example of people nailing this. | 11:10 |
| b1airo | so, anybody here offering opportunistic / preemptible instances on their clouds in some way? | 11:10 |
| oneswig | Unless b1airo you recall otherwise? | 11:10 |
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| b1airo | no, seems to be in the category of "yes please!" | 11:11 |
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| b1airo | there was a talk proposed for the summit which i think got in, will see if i can find it... | 11:12 |
| b1airo | yep here it is | 11:13 |
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| b1airo | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/sydney-2017/summit-schedule/events/19990/htc-service-on-underutilized-openstack-cloud-resources?BackURL=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.openstack.org%2Fsummit%2Fsydney-2017%2Fsummit-schedule%2Fglobal-search%3Ft%3Dresearch%23eventid%3D19990 | 11:14 |
| martial_ | (and maybe SC17 BoF) | 11:14 |
| martial_ | b1airo: seems interesting indeed | 11:15 |
| oneswig | ooh. Nice. Be good to hear what the MOC people are up to. | 11:15 |
| b1airo | the approach mentioned in that abstract is almost exactly what i sketched out here with one of my colleagues, we just haven't actually tried implementing it though | 11:16 |
| martial_ | Interesting how they use slurm to dispatch the jobs, makes sense | 11:16 |
| oneswig | Something I am not sure about with the SLURM interface is that when there is a change in cluster configuration, a new config file must be propagated among all nodes. | 11:16 |
| b1airo | yes, i'm curious how they glue it in and whether the new resource provider scheduling model helps | 11:17 |
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| b1airo | oneswig, i guess in that case the slurm cluster is probably running across the hypervisors and so quite static | 11:18 |
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| b1airo | or maybe it is a single node slurm only used for scheduling... hopefully we'll find out! | 11:19 |
| priteau | They had a lightning talk in Boston: https://www.openstack.org/summit/boston-2017/summit-schedule/events/18991/hpchtc-and-cloud-making-them-work-together-efficiently | 11:19 |
| oneswig | Isn't this about opportunistic compute instances? I'd expect them to appear and disappear with little warning | 11:19 |
| priteau | #link https://www.openstack.org/videos/boston-2017/hpchtc-and-cloud-making-them-work-together-efficiently | 11:20 |
| b1airo | i thought of the instances as jobs from slurms perspective | 11:20 |
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| b1airo | priteau, oh wow, how did i miss that! | 11:20 |
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| b1airo | ah no, you're right oneswig | 11:22 |
| b1airo | i didn't read the last sentence about slurm user experience | 11:22 |
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| oneswig | #link video for the lightning talk: https://www.openstack.org/videos/boston-2017/hpchtc-and-cloud-making-them-work-together-efficiently | 11:23 |
| b1airo | my idea was to use slurm under the hood to manage nova scheduling and resource capacity | 11:23 |
| b1airo | to get preemptible instances available as a service, so to speak | 11:24 |
| oneswig | b1airo: that approach would add to job startup and put quite a bit more work through the openstack control plane. It does get used as a model however - works for long-running jobs. | 11:24 |
| b1airo | yeah, the users i am thinking of do not want a queuing system interface | 11:24 |
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| oneswig | b1airo: how would they interact and what is slurm queueing in this scenario/ | 11:25 |
| martial_ | maybe you will be able to see the result in the video or we can ask them at the next summit I guess :) | 11:27 |
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| b1airo | well, one idea was to reserve nova capacity for this use case and then offer it to a set of users. they would (at least in the mvp) have to submit a slurm job, but that job would describe their nova create, then slurm would (eventually, and according to all its rich scheduler goodness) boot their instance | 11:28 |
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| b1airo | if that proved useful it might be more directly integrated with nova | 11:30 |
| oneswig | b1airo: sounds like the SLURM-V model used by Ohio State University. | 11:30 |
| b1airo | might need a new instance state though :-/ | 11:30 |
| oneswig | Try looking that up | 11:30 |
| b1airo | will do, thanks | 11:31 |
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| priteau | So in essence it would provide a batch job queue, with Slurm doing the scheduling but with OpenStack doing the actual VM lifecycle management? | 11:31 |
| oneswig | I guess what it adds is a queue to VM creation, rather than failing when no capacity is available | 11:32 |
| b1airo | yes, and users can do whatever they like with their VM - it is not forced into a HTC job model | 11:32 |
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| martial_ | must be interesting in the flavor availability | 11:34 |
| b1airo | the other idea was more a pipe dream about what might be possible if something like SLURM was underneath Nova handling some of the resource providing | 11:35 |
| priteau | b1airo: I suppose they still provide a walltime for the job, and the end of which the VM is killed? | 11:35 |
| oneswig | How about we invite the speaker Rajul Kumar to attend the next WG meeting? | 11:36 |
| b1airo | priteau, yes that would be crucial, e.g., in our case we'd limit walltime to something like 24 hours or so | 11:36 |
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| martial_ | oneswig: should good | 11:36 |
| b1airo | good idea oneswig | 11:36 |
| martial_ | oneswig: plus he is in Boston | 11:36 |
| oneswig | #action Stig to track down Rajul Kumar and invite him along | 11:36 |
| martial_ | let me reach out to him | 11:36 |
| martial_ | (or Stig) | 11:37 |
| oneswig | #action Martial to do it :-) | 11:37 |
| oneswig | excellent. | 11:37 |
| oneswig | thanks martial_ | 11:37 |
| oneswig | Let's move on... | 11:37 |
| martial_ | of course | 11:37 |
| oneswig | #topic Private cloud capacity meter | 11:37 |
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| martial_ | #link https://status.rc.nectar.org.au/capacity/ | 11:38 |
| oneswig | Second airing of this one... johnthetubaguy created a tool for using new Nova APIs to query available private cloud capacity | 11:38 |
| martial_ | b1airo interesting | 11:38 |
| oneswig | #link https://github.com/johngarbutt/os-capacity | 11:38 |
| oneswig | Share and enjoy :-) | 11:38 |
| daveholland | I need some Copious Free Time, those would be good graphs to produce for the deployment here | 11:39 |
| oneswig | There are even better API capabilities for measuring available capacity in Pike, apparently. | 11:39 |
| oneswig | but this one was developed against Ocata, and may be compatible further releases back | 11:39 |
| oneswig | Copious Free Time - luxury :-) | 11:40 |
| daveholland | (crosses fingers for Newton and Liberty) | 11:40 |
| oneswig | We are planning to convert to monitored metrics, much in the manner of that nice NeCTAR page | 11:41 |
| oneswig | ... which really does make you wonder if they do *anything* at Melbourne uni | 11:41 |
| oneswig | #topic Updated edition of the Scientific OpenStack book: Progress report | 11:42 |
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| oneswig | Right, this is going well, there has been a load of activity updating entries. | 11:42 |
| oneswig | Thanks to everyone who has come forward. | 11:42 |
| oneswig | Reminder for those yet to do so - end of next week is the deadline for contributions | 11:43 |
| daveholland | O/S+Lustre: James has produced a draft, I am editing it, we are at ~2300 words +diagrams | 11:43 |
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| oneswig | daveholland: that sounds great. 2300 words seems on the large side? | 11:43 |
| daveholland | it can't decide if it's a high-level case study or a how-to :( | 11:44 |
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| oneswig | I haven't sized any of the other case studies for word count. | 11:44 |
| oneswig | daveholland: I can help with some guidance on that - will mail you | 11:44 |
| daveholland | oneswig: thanks | 11:44 |
| oneswig | We have two other matters here: | 11:45 |
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| oneswig | 1) Would be good to have an additional study on bare metal infrastructure management (the Cray one is alas no longer valid) | 11:45 |
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| oneswig | Any volunteers? I can put one together on the SKA prototype if need be. | 11:45 |
| oneswig | 2) Cover art proposals. | 11:46 |
| oneswig | These must fit some very relaxed ownership criteria. | 11:46 |
| oneswig | "As an open project, we only use no cost, royalty-free, Creative Commons attribution only, commercial use allowed images. We don't license images. You can see how the V1 cover image fits that bill in its attribution on the book's back cover" | 11:46 |
| oneswig | If anyone would like to propose an image from their institution, lets create a list on the etherpad and we can put it to a vote next week | 11:47 |
| martial_ | sounds good | 11:48 |
| oneswig | #link Cover art proposals, add to this etherpad: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/scientific-computing-book-update-2017 | 11:49 |
| oneswig | OK, thanks again for everyone's help. I think that's all to cover on this | 11:49 |
| oneswig | #topic Scientific SIG | 11:49 |
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| oneswig | There was some discussion last week on the differences about being a SIG and they seemed minimal. | 11:50 |
| oneswig | One I am not sure of is taking discussion off openstack-operators list - that doesn't seem like a great move to me. | 11:50 |
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| martial_ | there is a meeting tomorrow (middle of the night for me) I believe to continue this discussion? | 11:51 |
| martial_ | (among other topics) | 11:52 |
| oneswig | martial_: ah, thanks for the reminder. 6am. | 11:52 |
| oneswig | Let's follow up after that. | 11:53 |
| oneswig | OK lets try to make time for the AOB? | 11:54 |
| oneswig | #topic AOB | 11:54 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "AOB (Meeting topic: scientific-wg)" | 11:54 | |
| martial_ | YES | 11:54 |
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| martial_ | ORC: Amsterdam meeting arriving very soon | 11:55 |
| martial_ | #link https://www.egi.eu/blog/second-international-open-research-cloud-congress/ | 11:55 |
| martial_ | Ildiko Vancsa from OpenStack will be participating, but nobody from the SWG currently? | 11:55 |
| martial_ | They were asking about a Scientific prospective if possible | 11:55 |
| martial_ | and #2 | 11:55 |
| martial_ | IEEE P2302 & NIST Public Working Group. | 11:55 |
| martial_ | This is an effort on Cloud Federation (global, not Research, so different from the ORC). | 11:55 |
| martial_ | You can find more details at | 11:55 |
| martial_ | #link http://collaborate.nist.gov/twiki-cloud-computing/bin/view/CloudComputing/FederatedCloudPWGFC | 11:55 |
| martial_ | #link http://sites.ieee.org/sagroups-2302/ | 11:55 |
| martial_ | During the kick off OpenStack was cited as a cloud for the testing effort. | 11:55 |
| martial_ | I reached out to David but have had no further information at this point. | 11:55 |
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| martial_ | Stig, are you planning to go to the next ORC meeting? | 11:55 |
| daveholland | (got to dash, next meeting looms) | 11:57 |
| dweaver | Just dropped by to let you know that at the London Days UK event you have a meeting slot scheduled for 15:30 - 17:30 in room Bishopsgate 1 - is that time suitable for you as we have the room available for most of the day? The only clash I can see is John Garbutt is giving his talk at 15:45 - 16:15, but everyone else doing HPC should be free. | 11:57 |
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| oneswig | martial_: I am not planning to at present but may change plans... | 11:57 |
| oneswig | Hi dweaver, welcome :-) | 11:57 |
| dweaver | oneswig, Hi, I've been lurking :) | 11:58 |
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| martial_ | not much more from me on AOB | 11:58 |
| martial_ | and we have only a minute left | 11:59 |
| oneswig | Thanks for the scheduling details. I think John might want to be involved in the WG (and WG members to see his talk). How about we take the second hour of the slot? | 11:59 |
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| oneswig | Is the schedule posted online/ | 11:59 |
| dweaver | oneswig, OK, 16:30-17:30 should be fine. Yes, on the website here: https://openstackdays.uk/2017/ | 11:59 |
| oneswig | Thanks dweaver, will take a look | 12:00 |
| oneswig | We are alas out of time - busy session as always | 12:00 |
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| oneswig | Thanks everyone | 12:00 |
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| martial_ | #endmeeting | 12:01 |
| oneswig | #endmeeting | 12:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Sep 13 12:01:04 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 12:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_wg/2017/scientific_wg.2017-09-13-11.00.html | 12:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_wg/2017/scientific_wg.2017-09-13-11.00.txt | 12:01 |
| oneswig | oops.. | 12:01 |
| priteau | Thanks everyone, bye! | 12:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_wg/2017/scientific_wg.2017-09-13-11.00.log.html | 12:01 |
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| witek | #startmeeting monasca | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Sep 13 14:00:25 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is witek. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'monasca' | 14:00 |
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| witek | hello everyone | 14:00 |
| cbellucci | o/ | 14:01 |
| koji | o/ | 14:01 |
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| rhochmuth | o/ | 14:01 |
| witek | small group today | 14:01 |
| yavor_OP5 | hi! | 14:01 |
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| tobiajo | hi all | 14:01 |
| witek | the agenda is as usual here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/monasca_queens_midcycle | 14:02 |
| witek | oops | 14:02 |
| witek | wrong one :) | 14:02 |
| akiraYo | hi | 14:02 |
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| witek | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/monasca-team-meeting-agenda | 14:02 |
| witek | #topic mid-cycle planning | 14:02 |
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| witek | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/monasca_queens_midcycle | 14:03 |
| witek | The agenda is filling in | 14:03 |
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| witek | at the end of our mid-cycle meeting I would like to be able to create a list of priorities for the Queens cycle | 14:04 |
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| sc | I think we have too many things on Wednesday, we need to rebalance | 14:04 |
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| witek | might be true | 14:04 |
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| witek | I'll move OpenStack wide goals then | 14:05 |
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| sc | it sounds better now | 14:06 |
| witek | rhochmuth: can someone from your team speak about Helm installer and docker-compose? | 14:06 |
| rhochmuth | i think so | 14:07 |
| rhochmuth | will have to check | 14:07 |
| rhochmuth | but, tim buckley or michael hoppal would be good to cover that topic | 14:07 |
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| witek | yes, they are the experts | 14:08 |
| witek | someone has added tripleO | 14:08 |
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| witek | any details about it? | 14:08 |
| rhochmuth | i don't know who added that | 14:09 |
| sc | I did as I think we need to sort out how to install in RDO/TripleO, at least for RDO, IIRC, there is an open bug | 14:09 |
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| sc | rhochmuth: RDO/TripleO is far different from our old distro | 14:10 |
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| witek | sc: are you driving this? | 14:10 |
| rhochmuth | ok, thanks, that will be an interesting update | 14:10 |
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| sc | witek: yes, at least with the process I'm doing | 14:11 |
| witek | ok, nice | 14:11 |
| sc | witek: using ansible could result in a non upogradable cloud | 14:11 |
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| witek | jamesgu and Nicolas have worked on TSDB requirement spec | 14:13 |
| witek | I've read your document but did't leave comments yet | 14:13 |
| witek | last week there was request to invite Telemetry team to discuss potential integration with Gnocchi | 14:14 |
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| witek | are you interested in inviting them? | 14:14 |
| jamesgu | witek: we need more inputs from the community from their perspective of requirements | 14:15 |
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| witek | should we share the etherpad and ask for feedback or is some other form better? | 14:16 |
| jamesgu | we can share etherpad .. we are using it as a place for data dump at the moment | 14:17 |
| jamesgu | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/monasca-db-perf | 14:17 |
| jamesgu | do you have other form that you'd suggest? | 14:17 |
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| witek | please take a look and we'll further discuss during mid-cycle | 14:18 |
| witek | we could think of using specification for this and discuss in review, but I'm not sure if it's better | 14:19 |
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| sc | I check in our lab and I have 3 servers free for testing, I need instructions about how to run comparisons | 14:19 |
| witek | sc: great, thanks | 14:19 |
| jamesgu | from tsdb perspective, would be interesting to include Gnocchi if someone is interested in driving its integration. but last week, jdavis recommended to invite telemetry for metering discussion | 14:20 |
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| sc | did someone write to them? | 14:20 |
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| witek | I haven't, wanted to ask you here again | 14:21 |
| jamesgu | I believe last week the "people" voted to leave that to PTL :-) | 14:21 |
| witek | :) | 14:21 |
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| jamesgu | sc: that's great. I likely need to take up your offer. | 14:21 |
| witek | jamesgu: the decision if we should invite or invitation itself? | 14:22 |
| jamesgu | who should contact the telemetry team | 14:22 |
| witek | cool, so I'll contact them | 14:23 |
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| sc | witek: please do, we need to try to integrate or at least understand where they are going | 14:24 |
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| witek | what exactly are you interested in talking of 'metering discussion'? | 14:24 |
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| jamesgu | jdavis added the topic to the midcycle etherpad if I remember it correctly | 14:26 |
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| witek | Ceilometer API deprecation? | 14:26 |
| jamesgu | I think so, consistency and service roadmap etc. | 14:27 |
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| witek | for Thursday I have invited Luka Peschke from CloudKitty project | 14:28 |
| aagate | i think that topic in mid cycle was to discuss options we have with monasca-ceilometer e.g. if ceilometer collection components are still valuable, their roadmap..since ceilometer api is getting removed | 14:28 |
| witek | aagate: as far as I understand they have moved the parts of API to panko, aodh and gnocchi | 14:29 |
| witek | for CloudKitty, Luka has offered to shortly present the project and make a demo of their integration with Monasca | 14:30 |
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| witek | in the Ceilosca part I could shortly report about monasca-events-api | 14:31 |
| rhochmuth | there was a discussion last week about the possiblity of gnocchi for time series storage | 14:32 |
| aagate | yes that will be good re: monasca-events-api. BTW Panko is for events (but is not actively being worked upon), gnocchi api is replacement for ceilometer api. With monasca-ceilometer we do support ceilometer api, but ideally want monasca api to be used for getting metering data to | 14:33 |
| rhochmuth | the idea was to add gnocchi as a metrics repo in monasca | 14:33 |
| rhochmuth | there was a possiblity of getting an update from gnocchi on performance | 14:34 |
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| rhochmuth | metrics injest rates and query performance | 14:34 |
| witek | rhochmuth: I will contact them and ask if they would like to discuss about it | 14:35 |
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| witek | I hope it's not too short-term | 14:37 |
| sc | rhochmuth: I would like even to understand if monasca uses gnocchi and telemetry is running how do we manage dupplication of information | 14:37 |
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| witek | is there anything else we want to add or clarify in agenda? | 14:38 |
| akiraY | GridDB progress? | 14:39 |
| koji | can i add the audit log discussion? | 14:39 |
| akiraY | you first | 14:39 |
| witek | GridDB is already on the list | 14:39 |
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| witek | koji: yes, I think we can add it | 14:40 |
| koji | thanks, i'll do it in tomorrow | 14:40 |
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| witek | might be good to schedule it early as koji is based in Japan | 14:41 |
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| koji | thanks, but i'd like to join all discussion :) | 14:41 |
| witek | ok :) | 14:42 |
| witek | anything else? | 14:42 |
| witek | #topic jira library in g-r | 14:43 |
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| witek | prometheanfire from requirements team has requested adding jira to global-requirements | 14:43 |
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| witek | we use it in monasca-notification jira plugin | 14:44 |
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| witek | the plugin is optional, so the lib is not listed in requirements.txt, but in [extras] | 14:45 |
| witek | we have two options: | 14:45 |
| witek | 1. add the lib to global-requirements | 14:45 |
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| witek | 2. remove from setup.cfg as it's optional | 14:46 |
| witek | I think there should be no problem to go with 1) | 14:46 |
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| witek | the check-list for adding the lib to g-r is here: | 14:47 |
| witek | https://github.com/openstack/requirements/#for-new-requirements | 14:47 |
| witek | I don't know about packaging, but the rest should be good | 14:48 |
| witek | so, it seems to be a low-hanging fruit, so if anyone wants to take it, just propose a change to openstack/requirements | 14:49 |
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| joadavis1 | Is there a story or ticket to reference for the request? | 14:50 |
| witek | requirements is not in storyboard I guess | 14:50 |
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| witek | I think we don't have to track it | 14:51 |
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| witek | I'll be closing the meeting soon | 14:53 |
| witek | do we have anything else for today? | 14:53 |
| sc | nothing | 14:54 |
| witek | OK, thank you | 14:54 |
| witek | see you next week in gotomeeting session | 14:55 |
| akiraY | See you | 14:55 |
| koji | thanks | 14:55 |
| haruki | thank you | 14:55 |
| witek | bye | 14:55 |
| cbellucci | cheers | 14:55 |
| yavor_OP5 | thanks! | 14:55 |
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| witek | #endmeeting | 14:55 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Sep 13 14:55:32 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:55 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/monasca/2017/monasca.2017-09-13-14.00.html | 14:55 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/monasca/2017/monasca.2017-09-13-14.00.txt | 14:55 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/monasca/2017/monasca.2017-09-13-14.00.log.html | 14:55 |
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| ad_rien_ | #startmeeting fog-edge-massively-distributed-clouds | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Sep 13 15:01:03 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ad_rien_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: fog-edge-massively-distributed-clouds)" | 15:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'fog_edge_massively_distributed_clouds' | 15:01 |
| parus | Good Morning/Afternoon | 15:01 |
| ad_rien_ | #chair ad_rien_ | 15:01 |
| openstack | Current chairs: ad_rien_ | 15:01 |
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| ad_rien_ | #chair parus | 15:01 |
| openstack | Current chairs: ad_rien_ parus | 15:01 |
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| ad_rien_ | #topic roll call | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "roll call (Meeting topic: fog-edge-massively-distributed-clouds)" | 15:01 | |
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| ad_rien_ | Hi guys | 15:01 |
| ansmith | o/ | 15:01 |
| dpertin | hi o/ | 15:01 |
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| kgiusti | o/ | 15:02 |
| ad_rien_ | So as usual please put your name on the etherpad line 1159 | 15:02 |
| msimonin | hey o/ | 15:02 |
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| rcherrueau | o/ | 15:02 |
| ad_rien_ | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/massively_distributed_ircmeetings_2017 (Agenda line 1157) | 15:02 |
| dancn | hi o/ | 15:02 |
| Joao_M_Soares | hi all | 15:02 |
| reedip_ | hi | 15:02 |
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| parus | Welcome Joao... is this your first meeting? | 15:02 |
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| ad_rien_ | Hi reedip_ ? | 15:02 |
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| ad_rien_ | reedip_: Joao_M_Soares could you please introduce yourself please? | 15:03 |
| reedip_ | Hi , I am reedip banerjee, ( nick reedip, reedip_ ) working with NEC on Openstack since L release | 15:03 |
| Joao_M_Soares | yes, first meeting for me. My name is João, researcher at Ericsson. Been working with OpenStack scalability, mostly exploring p2p approaches | 15:04 |
| parus | Welcome reedip_ | 15:04 |
| ad_rien_ | reedip_: could you please elaborate a bit more on your interests w-r-t the FEMDC team/WG ? | 15:04 |
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| ad_rien_ | Joao_M_Soares: nice to see you there | 15:04 |
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| reedip_ | I am currently researching on IoT and edge cloud, so this is my first meeting | 15:05 |
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| ad_rien_ | ok cool | 15:05 |
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| ad_rien_ | If you have a particular use-case in mind, it would be great to share it (but later in the meeting, thanks) | 15:05 |
| ad_rien_ | ok so let's start | 15:05 |
| ad_rien_ | #topic annoucement | 15:06 |
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| ad_rien_ | parus: can you please give a short summary of the last session of OpenDev (I was not able to attend it) | 15:06 |
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| parus | Sure. | 15:06 |
| ad_rien_ | I read the etherpad but maybe you can briefly let us know what are the key takeway messages | 15:06 |
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| parus | Last week in SF there was an openstack dev group meeting for two full days of sessions on Edge Computing. | 15:07 |
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| parus | There was a lot of interest. Many links have been posted on etherpad. Feel free to surf. This morning I even found some videos on you tube. so I made a playlist for your enjoyment. | 15:08 |
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| parus | In particular, you may be able to see me participating in a session on architecture. | 15:08 |
| ad_rien_ | ok do you know what will be the followup ? | 15:08 |
| ad_rien_ | I read in the pad that Michael (and probably you) will arrange additional discussions? | 15:08 |
| ad_rien_ | How this should be organized? | 15:09 |
| parus | There will be follow-up sessions that on architecture that Verizon, AT&T and myself have volunteered for. | 15:09 |
| ad_rien_ | Should it occur through the FEMDC meetings? | 15:09 |
| parus | I think Adrien did as well. | 15:09 |
| parus | The immediate action is to plan for Sydney where there will be more meetings. | 15:09 |
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| ad_rien_ | ok | 15:09 |
| ad_rien_ | thanks | 15:09 |
| parus | From an FEMDC perspective, | 15:09 |
| parus | We did some promoting of the work of the group. | 15:10 |
| reedip_ | is there a paper from FEMDC in Sydney ? | 15:10 |
| msimonin | reed: | 15:10 |
| parus | reedip_: There are two activities. | 15:10 |
| ad_rien_ | reedip_: what kind of paper are you looking for ? | 15:10 |
| ad_rien_ | they will be two presentations and the F2F meeting | 15:10 |
| msimonin | reedip_: there are presentations rether than "papers" | 15:10 |
| reedip_ | just asking if there is a session | 15:10 |
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| ad_rien_ | ok | 15:10 |
| ad_rien_ | so yes | 15:10 |
| reedip_ | yeah sorry, I had a habit of saying papers :P , because its kind of a CFP | 15:11 |
| msimonin | P stands for Presentation :) | 15:11 |
| ad_rien_ | as parus mentioned : two presentations (one on EnOS, a utility to perform performance campaign of openstack and the second one on use-cases) | 15:11 |
| parus | There will be a presentation, and there will be a workgroup f2f. you will find links in earlier etherpads | 15:11 |
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| ad_rien_ | ok | 15:11 |
| ad_rien_ | BTW I would like to thank parus for his involvements during thes two days in SF. | 15:12 |
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| ad_rien_ | You did great job ;) | 15:12 |
| ad_rien_ | Thanks for your support ! | 15:12 |
| parus | Thank you for the opportunity! | 15:12 |
| Joao_M_Soares | ad_rien_: +1 to that. Great job parus | 15:12 |
| parus | Any more questions? | 15:12 |
| ad_rien_ | not from my side, let's wait and see | 15:13 |
| ad_rien_ | ok two other information to share | 15:13 |
| ad_rien_ | There should be two presentations: | 15:13 |
| ad_rien_ | one regarding the OpenStack ++ project | 15:13 |
| ad_rien_ | that is supported by the OpenEdgeComputing initiative | 15:13 |
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| ad_rien_ | I do not have too much details but the presentation will be through a webex bridge | 15:14 |
| ad_rien_ | on Thursday 9/21. | 15:14 |
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| ad_rien_ | at 14 UTC | 15:14 |
| ad_rien_ | I will confirm that by mail. If you are interested to attend it please add your email just below | 15:15 |
| ad_rien_ | (line 1177) | 15:15 |
| ad_rien_ | finally, We have to arrange another webconference with folks from Ericsson | 15:15 |
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| ad_rien_ | Joao_M_Soares: would you please open a doodle (or something similar) in order to arrange such a presentation? | 15:15 |
| ad_rien_ | The idea is that you give an overview of the work you did at Ericsson | 15:15 |
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| ad_rien_ | and the motivation | 15:16 |
| ad_rien_ | thanks | 15:16 |
| Joao_M_Soares | ad_rien_: sure! will do that | 15:16 |
| ad_rien_ | #action Joao_M_Soares Open a doodle to arrange a webconf on Ericsson P2P activities | 15:16 |
| ad_rien_ | thanks | 15:16 |
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| ad_rien_ | Finally, we start to brainstorm with parus in particular on a possible roadmap for the next cycle (i.e. vancouver) | 15:17 |
| * ad_rien_ is looking for the link | 15:17 | |
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| ad_rien_ | #link roadmap proposal for Vancouver https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/FEDMC_OpenDev_WhatSNext | 15:17 |
| ad_rien_ | you can go through (ammend/complete/...) | 15:18 |
| parus | ad_rien_: Thank you for putting that together. | 15:18 |
| ad_rien_ | Feel free | 15:18 |
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| reedip_ | this is too much information :) | 15:18 |
| ad_rien_ | ok I think that's all from my side | 15:18 |
| ad_rien_ | Any other information/news to share? | 15:18 |
| parus | Before vancouver... there will be sydney... | 15:18 |
| ad_rien_ | +1 ;) | 15:19 |
| parus | There is an invitation to start brainstorming on sydney | 15:19 |
| ad_rien_ | We should see how progressing on the use-case question | 15:19 |
| parus | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Forum/Sydney2017 | 15:19 |
| ad_rien_ | good point | 15:19 |
| ad_rien_ | thanks parus for highlighting that | 15:20 |
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| ad_rien_ | do you know what is the deadline ? | 15:20 |
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| parus | I just saw it this very morning. | 15:20 |
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| ad_rien_ | #action add to the agenda: discussion on possible forum sessions | 15:21 |
| parus | I think we want to take the lead and set-up a session on edge. | 15:21 |
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| ad_rien_ | yes | 15:21 |
| ad_rien_ | but we should consider that we also have our F2F meeting | 15:21 |
| ad_rien_ | so we should find enough materials to avoid redundancies | 15:21 |
| ad_rien_ | maybe we can have more specific sessions | 15:22 |
| parus | Agreed: Maybe we want to make our meeting the session? or maybe we want to invite others to contribute in an open session? | 15:22 |
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| ad_rien_ | (we have also to consider who already planned to go in Sydney, if I'm right most of us will not be able to attend this summit) | 15:22 |
| parus | Good point. But at opendev many said they would | 15:22 |
| parus | and Verizon and AT&T in particular | 15:22 |
| ad_rien_ | Ok | 15:23 |
| ad_rien_ | so I propose that we put that to our agenda next time as a priority point to discuss ? | 15:23 |
| ad_rien_ | ok ? | 15:23 |
| parus | OK | 15:23 |
| ad_rien_ | ok | 15:23 |
| ad_rien_ | sorry one more point to announce | 15:24 |
| ad_rien_ | tomorrow 5 UTC there is the WG chairs meeting | 15:24 |
| ad_rien_ | I will attend it but it would be nice if we can turn ;) | 15:24 |
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| ad_rien_ | next time | 15:24 |
| ad_rien_ | In particular when it is 5 UTC ;-) | 15:25 |
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| ad_rien_ | ok | 15:25 |
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| ad_rien_ | any thing else ? | 15:25 |
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| ad_rien_ | so let's move on the ongoing activities | 15:25 |
| ad_rien_ | #topic ongoing activities | 15:25 |
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| ad_rien_ | #topic AMPQ | 15:25 |
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| ad_rien_ | ansmith: msimonin kgiusti | 15:25 |
| ad_rien_ | please the floor is yours | 15:26 |
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| kgiusti | Hi | 15:26 |
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| kgiusti | Last two weeks were lots of distractions for me - so not much in the way of progress (epad updated) | 15:26 |
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| kgiusti | significant: vhost/cells issue for amqp1 fixed in pike stable (and master) | 15:26 |
| kgiusti | so nova should Just Work with amqp1 now in pike | 15:27 |
| msimonin | nice ! :) | 15:27 |
| kgiusti | Some ombt2 work - not checked in yet - to gather better stats for fanout and cast | 15:27 |
| msimonin | kgiusti: let me know if I can help on ombt (code/testing) | 15:27 |
| kgiusti | but PTG prep, queens planning, and qpid release activities have swamped me last week | 15:28 |
| kgiusti | msimonin: will do - once I get ombt2 changes finalized I'd like your review and any tests you might want to throw at it | 15:28 |
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| msimonin | kgiusti: ack | 15:28 |
| ad_rien_ | kgiusti: are you attending the PTG in Denver? | 15:29 |
| kgiusti | kolla-ansible still hasn't merged our patch - likely due to PTG work things have been quiet | 15:29 |
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| kgiusti | ad_rien_: not physically - oslo PTG has us in a video conf | 15:29 |
| kgiusti | that's about it - questions? | 15:29 |
| ad_rien_ | great…. | 15:29 |
| ad_rien_ | maybe we lost the slot… It would have been great to talk about the cockroach prototype. | 15:30 |
| ad_rien_ | with OSLO folks at least | 15:30 |
| ad_rien_ | no questions/comments? | 15:30 |
| msimonin | regarding amqp I've put some info on the epad | 15:30 |
| ad_rien_ | #topic cockroach-db | 15:31 |
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| kgiusti | msimonin: nice - will check that topology out | 15:31 |
| rcherrueau | hey | 15:31 |
| rcherrueau | the POC is still available on GitHub. Feel free to give it a try :) | 15:31 |
| rcherrueau | #link https://github.com/BeyondTheClouds/openstack-cockroachdb-dev | 15:32 |
| rcherrueau | I also made an email on OpenStack mailing list | 15:32 |
| rcherrueau | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-September/121779.html | 15:32 |
| rcherrueau | If you have any comments, do not hesitate to contribute there | 15:33 |
| msimonin | kgiusti: I've a pet project at https://github.com/msimonin/qpid-dispatch-generator | 15:33 |
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| rcherrueau | I'm currently addressing lbragstad request to push some code we made to gerrit | 15:33 |
| kgiusti | ansmith: ^^^ | 15:33 |
| msimonin | Do you have a link to the review ? | 15:34 |
| ad_rien_ | maybe it makes sense to just send a reminder of the achieved work. | 15:34 |
| rcherrueau | But it would be cool if some of you could help me on making cockroachdb supports sql migration | 15:34 |
| ad_rien_ | Just to try to get some feedbacks from core-devs (keystone, oslo, ...) | 15:34 |
| rcherrueau | with either sqlalchemy-migrate or alembic | 15:34 |
| rcherrueau | Next for me is writing a Testplan | 15:35 |
| ad_rien_ | just a question | 15:35 |
| ad_rien_ | we are currently writing testplan for AMQP | 15:35 |
| rcherrueau | something similar to what ansmith kgiusti and msimonin are doing on amqp | 15:35 |
| ad_rien_ | for cockroach for .... | 15:35 |
| parus | rcherrueau: is there a place where the usecase for cockroach is described? | 15:35 |
| ad_rien_ | does it make sense to define a testplan for fog/edge infrastructure? | 15:35 |
| ansmith | msimonin: cool generator | 15:36 |
| rcherrueau | parus: no | 15:36 |
| ad_rien_ | :-P | 15:36 |
| parus | rcherrueau: can you try that? or if you give me some background I can attempt it. | 15:37 |
| ad_rien_ | the idea of investigating cockroach is related to the need to be able to distribute the SQL DB | 15:37 |
| ad_rien_ | this is suitable for several use-cases: | 15:37 |
| ad_rien_ | every control services in one DC and only compute nodes. | 15:37 |
| rcherrueau | parus: OK | 15:37 |
| parus | At Opendev, Ian Wells and I talked about distributing keystone. | 15:37 |
| parus | Would that be the use case? | 15:37 |
| ad_rien_ | If you want to be able to scale you need to distribute your DBs | 15:37 |
| rcherrueau | parus: yep | 15:37 |
| rcherrueau | parus: One use case could be, several regions | 15:38 |
| ad_rien_ | either wirh Galera or other technologies. Galera does not scale, so we are looking to other solutions | 15:38 |
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| rcherrueau | parus: one keystone per region | 15:38 |
| rcherrueau | parus: and they are all synchronized with cockroachdb | 15:38 |
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| ad_rien_ | thanks to cockroach you can distribute services that relies on a SQL DB accross several regions | 15:38 |
| ad_rien_ | several geographical locations | 15:38 |
| parus | OK. I will take an action to write up a description of that and run it by you for next meeting. | 15:39 |
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| parus | Unless you want to take first crack at it. | 15:40 |
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| msimonin | ansmith: thanks :) | 15:40 |
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| rcherrueau | that's all for me | 15:41 |
| ad_rien_ | thanks | 15:41 |
| ad_rien_ | #topic use-cases | 15:41 |
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| reedip_ | have we considered the network security for fog/edge computing use cases ? just wanted to know... | 15:42 |
| parus | Network Security was discussed last week. | 15:42 |
| parus | There are many aspects. | 15:42 |
| ad_rien_ | reedip_: could you please elaborate a bit? | 15:42 |
| ad_rien_ | just to know what you are considering ? | 15:42 |
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| reedip_ | ad_rien_ I want to know , considering the rise in the current trneds of cyber issues | 15:43 |
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| ad_rien_ | reedip_: it looks to me that those security issues are already present in cloud computing infrastructures | 15:43 |
| reedip_ | fog/edge would be a good option with IoT. But if we need to provide network security, specially using openstack, then have we considered it ? | 15:43 |
| ad_rien_ | not sure how the fog/edge context will increase those issues | 15:44 |
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| reedip_ | ad_rien_ yes, thats true | 15:44 |
| ad_rien_ | you mean : we need additional mechanisms (i.e. that are fog/edge specifics) | 15:44 |
| ad_rien_ | or existing mechanisms should deliver for instance encrypted channels, .... | 15:44 |
| reedip_ | so security in cloud can also be transferred to fog/edge , like port mirroring | 15:44 |
| parus | Are you talking about Neutron or about Keystone? | 15:45 |
| parus | Both are important. | 15:45 |
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| msimonin | does the google docs includes a security section, maybe reedip_ can contribute | 15:45 |
| ad_rien_ | ok I'm not an expert but you are probably right. I just do not see why it is related to fog/edge | 15:45 |
| msimonin | ? | 15:45 |
| ad_rien_ | seems to be more general | 15:46 |
| ad_rien_ | msimonin: good point +1 | 15:46 |
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| msimonin | ad_rien_: :) | 15:46 |
| reedip_ | ad_rien_ probably, but considering that fog/edge would not be too heavy as a cloud infra is , so the requirements would change. just saying :) | 15:46 |
| parus | reedip_: I agree requirements change. | 15:46 |
| parus | but there are many aspects | 15:47 |
| parus | Do you want to try to write up something? | 15:47 |
| ad_rien_ | maybe you can prepare a couple of slides as msimonin has proposed. What do you think reedip_ ? | 15:47 |
| reedip_ | parus : probably , I think I can | 15:47 |
| parus | reedip_: please look up the etherpad from opendev on the topic. This was discussed in the security section and also in the zero_touch_provisioning session. | 15:48 |
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| reedip_ | parus : https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/opendev-sf-use-cases ? | 15:48 |
| ad_rien_ | parus: 12 minutes left. sorry do you want to discuss particular points? ask specific helps? | 15:49 |
| parus | reed_Ip: I will send you links separately. | 15:49 |
| reedip_ | sorry for hijacking the conversation | 15:49 |
| parus | ad_rien_: yes | 15:49 |
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| parus | I would like to see progress on testing use cases. | 15:49 |
| ad_rien_ | reedip_: no no, that's the goal of the irc meeting. | 15:50 |
| ad_rien_ | ;) | 15:50 |
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| ad_rien_ | And actually you are going to provide one contribution so that's great ;) | 15:50 |
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| ad_rien_ | parus: ? | 15:50 |
| parus | yes | 15:50 |
| ad_rien_ | Which one? | 15:50 |
| parus | Who can help running some enos use case that we could look at? | 15:51 |
| ad_rien_ | we did some preliminary test on the simple model: control services in one DC and remote nodes are just compute nodes | 15:51 |
| parus | Could you share results? | 15:51 |
| ad_rien_ | msimonin with the support of a new engineer (he will start to work on that on Oct the 1st) | 15:51 |
| ad_rien_ | will focus on AMQ alternatives | 15:51 |
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| ad_rien_ | rcherrueau will perform similar experiments but with cockroach | 15:52 |
| ad_rien_ | yes | 15:52 |
| ad_rien_ | see the boston presentation | 15:52 |
| ad_rien_ | and we are currently writing a research report (should be available by mid of october) | 15:52 |
| parus | OK. I will look for that presentation and wait for mid-october. | 15:52 |
| parus | How about the FBK use case? | 15:52 |
| ad_rien_ | #link https://www.google.fr/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0ahUKEwiz8aS0wqLWAhVJtBoKHfknCisQtwIIKDAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.openstack.org%2Fvideos%2Fboston-2017%2Ftoward-fog-edge-and-nfv-deployments-evaluating-openstack-wanwide&usg=AFQjCNEsozFpIU_qwzly1dcXtzPtDokLBg | 15:52 |
| msimonin | I think dancn is around | 15:53 |
| ad_rien_ | I'm seeing them pushing some EnoS pull requests | 15:53 |
| ad_rien_ | but yes if dancn is there. He is definitely the best one to give some information | 15:53 |
| ad_rien_ | . | 15:53 |
| ad_rien_ | dancn: ? | 15:53 |
| dancn | yes, we just started with enos | 15:53 |
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| parus | dancn: When can we see results? Do you need help? | 15:54 |
| dancn | so we are triyng to port some use case to enos | 15:54 |
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| ad_rien_ | parus: you told me that samP can help us ? | 15:54 |
| ad_rien_ | we started to give a look with rcherrueau and msimonin on cell v2 | 15:54 |
| ad_rien_ | the idea is to segregate the openstack into several cells | 15:55 |
| ad_rien_ | each cell is a edge DC | 15:55 |
| dancn | parus: no results for now, we are still learning and yes rcherrueau and msimonin were a lot helpful in the past weeks | 15:55 |
| ad_rien_ | unfortunately Kolla does not support the cell V2. | 15:55 |
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| ad_rien_ | If SamP has some time and he is interested by doing some investigations | 15:55 |
| ad_rien_ | it would be helpful | 15:55 |
| dancn | no need for help right now, but as soon at we get stuck we will raise an hand | 15:56 |
| ad_rien_ | parus:? | 15:56 |
| ad_rien_ | you told me that you were looking for some actions? | 15:56 |
| parus | OK. Please use the email list to discuss next steps offline. | 15:56 |
| ad_rien_ | just a proposal :-P | 15:56 |
| ad_rien_ | ok 3 min left | 15:57 |
| parus | we are running out of time here. But we do need actions. | 15:57 |
| ad_rien_ | so anything else regarding the use-case | 15:57 |
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| ad_rien_ | (parus by conducting experiments with CELL V2 it would enable to investigate another use-case- | 15:57 |
| ad_rien_ | ) | 15:57 |
| reedip_ | parus : do send the links as discussed earlier :) | 15:57 |
| ad_rien_ | ok let's move to the open-discussion | 15:57 |
| ad_rien_ | #open discussion | 15:58 |
| ad_rien_ | #topic open-discusison | 15:58 |
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| parus | reedip_: please put your email address on etherpad | 15:58 |
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| ad_rien_ | so from my side, I just want to discuss the cell V2…. but I just did it | 15:58 |
| ad_rien_ | so nothing more | 15:58 |
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| ad_rien_ | the floor is yours | 15:58 |
| reedip_ | parus : done... | 15:58 |
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| ad_rien_ | nothing ? | 15:59 |
| parus | One item at Opendev was about ONAP vs Openstack | 15:59 |
| ad_rien_ | one minnute befoire ending the meeting | 15:59 |
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| ad_rien_ | yes | 15:59 |
| ad_rien_ | parus? | 15:59 |
| ad_rien_ | the discussion I had with David from AT&T was positive | 15:59 |
| parus | Just pointing this out, it maybe that some of the work is done a layer above openstack. | 15:59 |
| ad_rien_ | in the sense that both complement each other | 15:59 |
| ad_rien_ | ok | 15:59 |
| ad_rien_ | can you add it in the epad | 16:00 |
| ad_rien_ | we have to conclude | 16:00 |
| parus | OK | 16:00 |
| ad_rien_ | thanks guys | 16:00 |
| ad_rien_ | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Sep 13 16:00:09 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fog_edge_massively_distributed_clouds/2017/fog_edge_massively_distributed_clouds.2017-09-13-15.01.html | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fog_edge_massively_distributed_clouds/2017/fog_edge_massively_distributed_clouds.2017-09-13-15.01.txt | 16:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fog_edge_massively_distributed_clouds/2017/fog_edge_massively_distributed_clouds.2017-09-13-15.01.log.html | 16:00 |
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| bh526r | #startmeeting gluon | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Sep 13 18:00:58 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bh526r. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'gluon' | 18:01 |
| bh526r | #topic Roll Call | 18:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Roll Call (Meeting topic: gluon)" | 18:01 | |
| bh526r | #info Bin Hu | 18:01 |
| jinli | #info JinLi | 18:01 |
| krenczewski | #info Kamil Renczewski | 18:01 |
| jinli | Hi Bin and Kamil | 18:01 |
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| krenczewski | Hi | 18:01 |
| bh526r | Hi Jin and Kamil, how are you? | 18:01 |
| krenczewski | Great, and you? | 18:02 |
| bh526r | great, thank you | 18:02 |
| bh526r | #topic Planning for PoC in OpenStack Summit in Sydney | 18:02 |
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| bh526r | Any update on this? | 18:02 |
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| krenczewski | Not yet, I need to talk with Sukhdev | 18:03 |
| bh526r | Ok, that's fine. | 18:03 |
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| bh526r | #info No update | 18:03 |
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| bh526r | #topic Planning for Gluon Queens Release | 18:03 |
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| bh526r | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Gluon/Tasks-Queens | 18:03 |
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| bh526r | #info Regarding "Refactor Gluon Extended ML2 Plugin into Neutron Service Plugin", Bin talked to Ian and Sukhdev in PTG | 18:04 |
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| bh526r | #info An RFE "Implement Gluon as Neutron Service Plugin" was created | 18:05 |
| bh526r | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1716489 | 18:05 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1716489 in neutron "[RFE] Implement Gluon as Neutron Service Plugin" [Undecided,New] | 18:05 |
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| bh526r | #info This RFE describes high-level tasks, and some thoughts | 18:05 |
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| bh526r | #info There is learning curve for everyone to understand how to implement a service plugin | 18:06 |
| bh526r | #info And which way is more feasible: service plugin generator or service plugin itself | 18:07 |
| bh526r | #info Preference is service plugin generator | 18:07 |
| bh526r | #info But we don't know if it is doable or not | 18:07 |
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| bh526r | #info Ian will try to experiment it as part of his learning curve | 18:07 |
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| bh526r | #info We will also try to discuss it in Neutron's meeting, to get some experts support, as well as to get more developers from community | 18:08 |
| bh526r | #info Information in the RFE link and wiki task table is most recent at this moment, and subject to further change of details whenever we have more learnings | 18:09 |
| bh526r | That's all update from my side. | 18:10 |
| bh526r | anything to share from your side | 18:10 |
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| krenczewski | I am good | 18:11 |
| bh526r | How about Jin? | 18:11 |
| jinli | I am good, | 18:11 |
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| jinli | start working on backend | 18:11 |
| jinli | auto-gen from yaml | 18:12 |
| bh526r | Great. BTW, I met Tin Lam and another person who said helped Jin on Keystone | 18:12 |
| jinli | oh, nice. | 18:12 |
| bh526r | Great work everyone | 18:13 |
| bh526r | If nothing else, let's adjourn the meeting so that you can get back to family (Kamil) or work (Jin) | 18:13 |
| bh526r | #info No other update | 18:13 |
| jinli | Ok, thanks Bin. | 18:13 |
| bh526r | #info Meeting adjourned | 18:14 |
| bh526r | Thank you everyone. Bye | 18:14 |
| krenczewski | Great, bye | 18:14 |
| bh526r | #endmeeting | 18:14 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Sep 13 18:14:13 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:14 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/gluon/2017/gluon.2017-09-13-18.00.html | 18:14 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/gluon/2017/gluon.2017-09-13-18.00.txt | 18:14 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/gluon/2017/gluon.2017-09-13-18.00.log.html | 18:14 |
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