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ekcs | #startmeeting congressteammeeting | 00:01 |
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openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 00:01 |
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ekcs | hello all! | 00:01 |
masahito | hello | 00:01 |
ekcs | topics here as usual: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/congress-meeting-topics | 00:01 |
ekcs | please read/add/comment =) | 00:02 |
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ekcs | hello masahito | 00:02 |
ramineni_ | Hi all | 00:02 |
ekcs | hello ramineni_ | 00:02 |
ekcs | masahito: how was the event in mexico? | 00:03 |
masahito | we had a good discussion. | 00:03 |
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thinrichs | Hi all | 00:04 |
ekcs | hi thinrichs | 00:04 |
ekcs | masahito: great! | 00:04 |
ekcs | ok let’s dive into it then. not too much to talk about today. | 00:05 |
ekcs | #topic pike | 00:05 |
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ekcs | final release is coming out next week. this is our last chance to release a new RC if needed. | 00:05 |
ekcs | This is the only new bug I’m aware of since RC1. https://bugs.launchpad.net/congress/+bug/1712177 | 00:06 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1712177 in congress "multi-proc devstack sometimes fails on encryption key" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to Eric K (ekcs) | 00:07 |
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ekcs | And it doesn’t seem to warrant a new release. | 00:07 |
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ekcs | any thoughts or comments on pike? | 00:07 |
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thinrichs | That bug only effects testing? | 00:09 |
thinrichs | Or does it impact a real multi-node deployment? | 00:09 |
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ekcs | Primarily testing, but it could come up in real deployment in very specific circumstances. | 00:10 |
ekcs | deploying multiple congress instances on the same server doing first launch at the same time. | 00:11 |
thinrichs | I guess the real fix would be retrying a while depending on the failure | 00:11 |
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ekcs | but even in failure (can occur only on very first launch, not possible subsequent restarts managed by agent), one just needs to retry. | 00:13 |
thinrichs | That seems like it's not a big deal then. The retry can happen outside Congress (for now). | 00:14 |
ekcs | the fix I submitted simply skips the encryption key initialization step on any node that doesn’t host datasource. Since we only ever support one datasource instance at a time that fixes the issue. | 00:14 |
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ekcs | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/495989/ | 00:15 |
ekcs | If in the future other types of services also need access to the key then we can do something else. | 00:15 |
ekcs | thinrichs: agreed. | 00:15 |
ekcs | anything else on pike? | 00:16 |
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thinrichs | Not from me. | 00:17 |
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ekcs | ok then moving on. | 00:18 |
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ekcs | #topic PTG | 00:18 |
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ekcs | PTG is coming up 9/11-9/14 | 00:19 |
ekcs | topic brainstorm document is here: #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/congress-ptg-queens | 00:19 |
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ekcs | please be thinking and jotting down thoughts so we can have a great productive discussion at denver =) | 00:20 |
ekcs | concrete use cases and requirements are particularly helpful for driving development direction. | 00:21 |
ekcs | I’m working to gather them from people. more is always better =) | 00:22 |
ekcs | any thoughts or comments on topic brainstorm? | 00:22 |
thinrichs | Sounds good. I think use cases and customer pain-points are key. | 00:23 |
ekcs | yups. ok another PTG thing is just logistics. some have asked about remote option and I’m going to try for that. | 00:25 |
ekcs | there is a section in the planning etherpad for conferencing solution suggestions. If you have experience with something that worked well please suggest it here or on the etherpad. | 00:26 |
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ekcs | I’m hoping to try out at least one before the PTG. | 00:27 |
ekcs | ok any thoughts on the PTG? | 00:28 |
thinrichs | Hangouts, bluejeans, zoom, webex are the ones I'm most familiar with. | 00:28 |
thinrichs | Uber has one too that I was impressed by. | 00:28 |
thinrichs | The only one I know is free is Hangouts | 00:28 |
masahito_ | gotomeeting is one of the options. | 00:28 |
ekcs | great. I think I have access to host on webex though the company. | 00:29 |
ekcs | bluejeans has a one month trial. but even if not it’s not expensive and only the host needs to pay. | 00:30 |
ekcs | any comments on which ones have worked better than others in your experience? | 00:30 |
masahito_ | gotomeeting allows three user to join it in free plan. | 00:30 |
thinrichs | Forgot about that one | 00:31 |
ekcs | ok great. I guess I’ll do some digging and find an acceptable one. | 00:33 |
ekcs | I might need to bring two laptops to have one capturing the whiteboard haha. | 00:34 |
ekcs | ok let’s move on then. | 00:35 |
ekcs | #topic open discussion | 00:35 |
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ekcs | anything else we wanna talk about? not super often all four of us are here hehe. | 00:36 |
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thinrichs | I don't have anything pressing | 00:37 |
masahito_ | nothing from my side. | 00:37 |
ekcs | One thing I’ve been thinking about for quite a while now is whether we want Congress to deal with mission-critical, latency-critical situations. | 00:38 |
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ekcs | An example is something like the recovery scenarios masahito_ has worked on. | 00:40 |
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ekcs | At the moment, it’s hard to Congress to promise very low latency in rule firing partly because of just engineering and partly because of the nature of rule engines. | 00:41 |
ekcs | so a question that comes up is whether there are compelling and suitable enough use cases is that space to try and engineer that into congress. | 00:42 |
ekcs | one question is how uniform the desired behavior is from deployment to deployment. | 00:43 |
ekcs | if the desired behavior is fairly uniform and rarely changed, then it seems the right solution is dedicated code to handle the behavior. Maybe with just a few configuration options to control the behavior. | 00:44 |
thinrichs | I'd want to know the use-cases and how low-latency they are. | 00:44 |
thinrichs | And whether the eventual-consistency model we have for gathering data is adequate | 00:44 |
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ekcs | but if there is enough variety needed from deployment to deployment, especially if human interaction with the policy is frequent, then a Congress style model could make more sense. | 00:45 |
ekcs | So I just wanted to throw it out there to get one people’s minds. | 00:46 |
ekcs | thinrichs: yes absolutely. | 00:46 |
ekcs | masahito: do you have any comments on latency requirement and model for use cases you’ve been involved in? | 00:46 |
masahito | yes. | 00:47 |
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ekcs | if I remember correctly from the presentations we’re looknig for 1s at the worst end to end, but preferrably much better? | 00:47 |
masahito | Congress passed the requirements in our current tests with small scale deployment. | 00:48 |
masahito | like 200 instances on 10 hypervisors. | 00:49 |
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thinrichs | Got to run. See you all later! | 00:50 |
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ekcs | masahito: got it. so in those requirements, roughly how much time does congress have to react? | 00:51 |
ekcs | bye thinrichs ! | 00:51 |
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ekcs | haha masahito_ connection problems? | 00:51 |
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ekcs | haha maybe we should continue another time. | 00:53 |
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masahito | sorry, the network is not unstable today.... | 00:55 |
masahito | s/is not/is/ | 00:55 |
ekcs | haha np. maybe we should continue another time. | 00:55 |
ekcs | time almost up anyway. | 00:56 |
masahito | yup. | 00:56 |
ekcs | alright let’s end meeting then unless someone has something to say. | 00:56 |
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ekcs | ok bye everyone! | 00:57 |
ekcs | #endmeeting | 00:57 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Thu Aug 24 00:57:46 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 00:57 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2017/congressteammeeting.2017-08-24-00.01.html | 00:57 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2017/congressteammeeting.2017-08-24-00.01.txt | 00:57 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2017/congressteammeeting.2017-08-24-00.01.log.html | 00:57 |
masahito | bye | 00:57 |
ekcs | bye masahito | 00:57 |
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zhenguo | #startmeeting mogan | 02:01 |
openstack | Meeting started Thu Aug 24 02:01:49 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is zhenguo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 02:01 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 02:01 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'mogan' | 02:01 |
zhenguo | liusheng, shaohe_feng, Xinran, luyao, zhangyang: o/ | 02:02 |
liusheng | o/ | 02:02 |
zhenguo | wanghao and litao can't attend today's meeting! | 02:03 |
zhenguo | liusheng: only we two here? | 02:04 |
liusheng | zhenguo: :( | 02:04 |
liusheng | zhenguo: hah | 02:04 |
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zhenguo | shaohe_feng, Xinran: are you around? | 02:05 |
liusheng | seems they all are absent | 02:06 |
shaohe_feng | zhenguo: I'm here | 02:06 |
zhenguo | shaohe_feng: o/ | 02:06 |
liusheng | shaohe_feng: o/ | 02:06 |
zhenguo | ok, it seems like a core team meeting, lol | 02:07 |
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zhenguo | as always, the agenda: | 02:07 |
zhenguo | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Mogan#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 02:07 |
zhenguo | #topic announcements and reminders | 02:07 |
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zhenguo | liusheng helped to move our docs to RTD http://mogan.readthedocs.io/projects/api-ref/en/latest/ | 02:07 |
zhenguo | but there are still some problems during building, we will try to address it before Pike | 02:08 |
zhenguo | shaohe_feng: are you familiar with readthedocs | 02:08 |
liusheng | yes, I have no idea about that problem :( | 02:08 |
shaohe_feng | zhenguo: not familiar. let me look into it. | 02:08 |
shaohe_feng | zhenguo: I will give some introduce for all | 02:08 |
zhenguo | shahe_feng: cool | 02:09 |
zhenguo | There's a patch up to replace 'baremetal' with 'baremetalcompute' in our CLI | 02:09 |
zhenguo | any objections? | 02:09 |
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zhenguo | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/496138/ | 02:11 |
shaohe_feng | seem no. | 02:11 |
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liusheng | seems we can merge it quickly to avoid conflicts :D | 02:11 |
zhenguo | shaohe_feng, liusheng: so please help to +A it :D | 02:12 |
shaohe_feng | zhenguo: sure. | 02:12 |
liusheng | zhenguo: +2ed | 02:12 |
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zhenguo | liusheng, shaohe_feng: do you think when we should cut the Pike release | 02:13 |
zhenguo | by the end of next week? | 02:13 |
liusheng | sounds good | 02:14 |
zhenguo | ok, so let's try to land more things this week | 02:14 |
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shaohe_feng | zhenguo: yes. | 02:15 |
liusheng | we can finish our high priority works until next week | 02:15 |
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zhenguo | yes, we can check the tasks during next topic | 02:16 |
zhenguo | Contribution into mogan for the last 30 days | 02:16 |
zhenguo | #link http://stackalytics.com/report/contribution/mogan/30 | 02:16 |
Xinran | o/ Sorry for late .. | 02:16 |
zhenguo | Xinran: np | 02:16 |
zhenguo | please take a look at the last 30 days contributions | 02:17 |
zhenguo | really happy to see Xinran's reviews, thanks! | 02:17 |
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Xinran | zhenguo, hah thanks | 02:18 |
zhenguo | Xinran: hah please keep it :D | 02:18 |
zhenguo | not much of announcement, anyone else have a thing here? | 02:19 |
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zhenguo | ok, let's move on | 02:19 |
zhenguo | #topic task tracking | 02:19 |
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zhenguo | #links https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/MoganWhiteBoard | 02:19 |
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* zhenguo gives folks a few minutes to review | 02:19 | |
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zhenguo | I only got one patch left for the node aggregates bp https://review.openstack.org/#/c/493495/ | 02:24 |
zhenguo | please help to look at it shaohe_feng, already got a +2 | 02:24 |
shaohe_feng | zhenguo: Ok. then you can try to play with mogan | 02:24 |
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zhenguo | shaohe_feng: hah | 02:25 |
shaohe_feng | zhenguo: find bug, and file them. and let's fix them. | 02:25 |
shaohe_feng | then we can make mogan mor stable. | 02:25 |
shaohe_feng | :) | 02:25 |
zhenguo | shaohe_feng: yes, everytime I setup the physical env, will find lots of bugs :D | 02:25 |
shaohe_feng | zhenguo: great. do you have physical env? | 02:26 |
zhenguo | shahe_feng: sure, lol | 02:26 |
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zhenguo | shaohe_feng: I need to test my socat console with that | 02:26 |
shaohe_feng | zhenguo: nice. so usrs can have multi ways to access the host. | 02:27 |
zhenguo | so my socat console task seems can be done by this week | 02:27 |
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shaohe_feng | nice. | 02:27 |
zhenguo | hi guys, please remember to update the etherpad, | 02:28 |
zhenguo | wanghao will send a tasks report out tommorow | 02:28 |
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shaohe_feng | good. | 02:30 |
zhenguo | shaohe_feng, Xinran: do you have servers for testing? | 02:30 |
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shaohe_feng | zhenguo: we are try to find some servers from our architecture. | 02:31 |
zhenguo | shaohe_feng: hah, cool | 02:31 |
shaohe_feng | architect | 02:31 |
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shaohe_feng | zhenguo: you have meet he in China Day. | 02:31 |
zhenguo | shaohe_feng: yes, he mentioned that | 02:32 |
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liusheng | that is cool :) | 02:32 |
zhenguo | liusheng: what about your tasks? | 02:32 |
zhenguo | liusheng: seems patches are ready for review | 02:32 |
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liusheng | zhenguo: yes, but didn't finish yet | 02:33 |
zhenguo | liusheng: ok, seems almost done :D | 02:33 |
liusheng | zhenguo: will finish it until this week | 02:33 |
liusheng | zhenguo: yes | 02:33 |
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zhenguo | liusheng: seems we will work 6 days this week | 02:34 |
liusheng | zhenguo, shaohe_feng and please take a look this patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/492370/ it is convenient for function testing :) | 02:34 |
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liusheng | zhenguo: will hanle the conflicts | 02:34 |
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litao__ | I am later, just an internal meeting | 02:34 |
zhenguo | liusheng: yes | 02:35 |
zhenguo | litao__: o/ | 02:35 |
zhenguo | litao__: we will cut the Pike release by the end of next week | 02:35 |
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litao__ | zhenguo: So we have little time | 02:36 |
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zhenguo | litao__: yes, time is tight | 02:36 |
litao__ | zhenguo: Ok, i will hurry up | 02:36 |
zhenguo | litao__: thanks | 02:36 |
zhenguo | seems the first managing running server patch is amost good, | 02:36 |
zhenguo | please help to review | 02:37 |
litao__ | zhenguo: sure | 02:37 |
zhenguo | litao__: you can wait for that landed, then rebase your patch :D | 02:37 |
shaohe_feng | zhenguo: OK. | 02:38 |
litao__ | zhenguo: yes, there will be many conflicts | 02:38 |
zhenguo | litao__: hah | 02:38 |
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zhenguo | I would like to return the addresses with server API object instead of the whole networks info | 02:39 |
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zhenguo | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/495826/ | 02:39 |
zhenguo | we also provide a separated URI for server networks | 02:39 |
liusheng | zhenguo: it is only change in the api layer, right ? | 02:40 |
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zhenguo | liusheng: yes | 02:40 |
liusheng | zhenguo: ok | 02:40 |
zhenguo | liusheng: seems client side also need to be updated | 02:40 |
liusheng | zhenguo: yes, sure | 02:41 |
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zhenguo | ok, anything else here? | 02:42 |
zhenguo | Xiran: do you find using patch method for flavor access list is a bit inconvinient? | 02:43 |
shaohe_feng | seems no | 02:43 |
zhenguo | Xiran^^ | 02:43 |
zhenguo | Xinran | 02:43 |
zhenguo | hah | 02:43 |
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shaohe_feng | I will talk with her. | 02:43 |
Xinran | zhenguo, yes | 02:44 |
shaohe_feng | Xinran: is online. :) | 02:44 |
Xinran | zhenguo, I found we use index to delete | 02:44 |
zhenguo | Xinran: yes | 02:44 |
liusheng | seems the patch almost looks good | 02:44 |
zhenguo | Xiran: seems hard to use | 02:44 |
zhenguo | liusheng: you mean the addresses one? | 02:45 |
Xinran | zhenguo, must get the index of the project to be delete | 02:45 |
liusheng | zhenguo: no, I mean the flavor access one, hah | 02:45 |
zhenguo | Xinran: yes | 02:45 |
zhenguo | liusheng: we are talking about the patch list method | 02:45 |
zhenguo | liusheng: we need to get the index of the list to delete it | 02:46 |
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zhenguo | Xinran: not sure if the sort of the list is fixed | 02:46 |
Xinran | zhenguo, seems it depends to order of adding , I will check it | 02:47 |
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Xinran | s/to/on | 02:48 |
zhenguo | Xinran: anyway, seems we changed to make it's inconvenient than before | 02:48 |
zhenguo | Xinran, liusheng: maybe it's ok to keep the original flavor access URI? | 02:48 |
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liusheng | zhenguo: you mean still use a saparate API | 02:49 |
zhenguo | liusheng: yes | 02:49 |
Xinran | zhenguo, hah, but I think use a controller is redundant. | 02:49 |
zhenguo | Xinran: you mean the flavor access controller? | 02:50 |
Xinran | zhenguo, yes | 02:50 |
Xinran | is there another way to delete with PATCH method | 02:50 |
zhenguo | Xinran: we can use someting like /flavors/flavor_uuid/access ? | 02:50 |
zhenguo | Xinran: oh, it's the current way | 02:51 |
liusheng | zhenguo: sorry, may I need to review again, I even didn't get the inconvenience you talking about :( | 02:51 |
zhenguo | liusheng: PATCH method is easy to update key/value | 02:51 |
zhenguo | liusheng: the flavor access is a list | 02:52 |
zhenguo | liusheng; there's no key | 02:52 |
zhenguo | liusheng: when you adding a project in, you PATCH {"op": "add", "path": "/projects/-", "value": "xx"} | 02:53 |
liusheng | zhenguo: got it, but it is easy to work arount isn't it ? | 02:53 |
zhenguo | liusheng: how | 02:53 |
liusheng | zhenguo: arount/ around | 02:53 |
zhenguo | liusheng: when you delete a project, you need to find the index of it in the list | 02:53 |
liusheng | zhenguo: don't use the json patch method | 02:53 |
zhenguo | liusheng: PATCH {'op': 'remove', 'path': '/projects/0'} | 02:54 |
zhenguo | liusheng: you mean use PUT? | 02:54 |
shaohe_feng | zhenguo: I remeber you have send the rfc link of PATCH before. | 02:54 |
zhenguo | shaohe_feng: yes | 02:54 |
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liusheng | zhenguo: no I mean don't use the apply_jsonpatch method, we just query the projects and set it | 02:55 |
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zhenguo | seems there's not a better way to update a list, either PUT or PATCH | 02:55 |
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zhenguo | liusheng: can you give a example | 02:55 |
zhenguo | liusheng: we must follow waht the REST defination | 02:56 |
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liusheng | zhenguo: it don't effect the REST definition, we just need query the projects, and add the project then save it in db, isn't right ? | 02:57 |
zhenguo | liusheng: I mean, how the API like | 02:57 |
zhenguo | liusheng: we can do anything under the API | 02:58 |
zhenguo | liusheng: but what do you want users use the API for update the access list | 02:58 |
liusheng | zhenguo: let me think more | 02:59 |
liusheng | zhenguo: we can disscuss after this meeting | 02:59 |
Xinran | zhenguo, liusheng just check, the sort of list depends on order of adding | 02:59 |
zhenguo | liusheng: ok | 02:59 |
zhenguo | Xinran: so, users need to remember the order themselves? | 02:59 |
liusheng | why need to use the index ? | 03:00 |
Xinran | zhenguo, seems yes ... | 03:00 |
zhenguo | Xinran: :( | 03:00 |
zhenguo | liusheng: that's what PATCH works for a list | 03:00 |
zhenguo | liusheng: it's not a dict, we can't find a key | 03:01 |
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zhenguo | Xinran: if so, I have to say sorry, I'd like to keep the origianl way :( | 03:02 |
liusheng | zhenguo: got it, will check more | 03:02 |
zhenguo | liusheng: ok | 03:02 |
Xinran | zhenguo, hah it's ok. if we dont have other solutions :) | 03:02 |
zhenguo | Xinran: hah | 03:02 |
zhenguo | oh, it's almost time, | 03:03 |
zhenguo | anything else? | 03:03 |
zhenguo | thanks all | 03:03 |
zhenguo | #endmeeting | 03:03 |
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openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mogan/2017/mogan.2017-08-24-02.01.html | 03:03 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mogan/2017/mogan.2017-08-24-02.01.txt | 03:03 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mogan/2017/mogan.2017-08-24-02.01.log.html | 03:03 |
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eumel8 | Good Morning! | 07:00 |
jpich | Morning! | 07:00 |
ianychoi_phone | Hello | 07:00 |
eumel8 | anyone there for the I18n meeting? :) | 07:00 |
genek | Good Afternoon | 07:00 |
eumel8 | #startmeeting OpenStack I18n Meeting | 07:00 |
openstack | Meeting started Thu Aug 24 07:00:54 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is eumel8. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 07:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 07:00 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_i18n_meeting' | 07:00 |
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eumel8 | hello jpich, ianychoi_phone, genek | 07:01 |
eumel8 | nice to see you :) | 07:02 |
ianychoi_phone | :) | 07:02 |
genek | :) | 07:02 |
jpich | Likewise :) | 07:02 |
eumel8 | #topic Status Pike release (final release week https://releases.openstack.org/pike/schedule.html) | 07:03 |
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eumel8 | so, what's going on in the release week? | 07:03 |
eumel8 | my email account is broken since yesterday so I doesn't have the newest info | 07:03 |
ianychoi_phone | robcresswell should packed rc2 :) | 07:04 |
ianychoi_phone | Before that, I merged all master strings to stable-pike for Horizon and plugin projects | 07:04 |
eumel8 | yeah, this was my last info as well. We're in rc2 with horizon | 07:04 |
jpich | As cycle-trailing, TripleO will probably be released during the PTG. When it comes to tripleo-ui, there's still some rush to finish the feature freeze exceptions so the strings still aren't entirely frozen yet (I'd expect additions, not changes from now on though). We've been merging lots of translation patches anyway - many thanks to translators who are already looking into it despite the in-flux status :D | 07:05 |
ianychoi_phone | Some translators contributed to master branch not stable-pike. We might need to guide them better | 07:05 |
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ianychoi_phone | jpich- thanks a lot for sharing! | 07:05 |
eumel8 | we are in a good position for horizon in DE team, so I'm done review translation over the weekend | 07:06 |
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jpich | (Still no stable/pike for tripleo-ui) | 07:06 |
eumel8 | ianychoi: should we set the master read-only next cycle at this point? | 07:06 |
ianychoi_phone | eumel8 - good idea :) | 07:07 |
eumel8 | jpich: let me know when you release at the PTG - I'm there :) | 07:07 |
jpich | eumel8: Haha, will do! There'll probably be a big bunch of TripleO developers suddenly looking very happy :-) | 07:08 |
jpich | Looking forward to meeting you face to face, too! | 07:08 |
eumel8 | ianychoi: unfortunatelly the API is broken in Zanata 3.9 (for set the branches read-only), so we need the upgrade to 4.0 | 07:08 |
eumel8 | jpich: very good! | 07:09 |
jpich | Are there plans for upgrading to 4.0 already? | 07:09 |
eumel8 | have to talk to the infrateam | 07:09 |
eumel8 | for the last there where no response | 07:10 |
jpich | PTG might be a good time to ask about it too :) | 07:10 |
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eumel8 | yes, close all doors and windows and meet them ;) | 07:11 |
jpich | :P | 07:12 |
jpich | Infra team has been stretched even more than usual lately I think | 07:12 |
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ianychoi | Hoo.. I'm back to my PC | 07:12 |
eumel8 | ianychoi: any recomendations for the release during this and next week? | 07:12 |
eumel8 | wb, ianychoi :) | 07:12 |
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ianychoi | eumel8, more seeing which projects already had stable/pike branch, adding stable-pike version in Zanata, and syncing through openstack-infra | 07:13 |
eumel8 | jpitch: maybe our apprentice can support the team. I will talk with AJaeger | 07:13 |
jpich | Nice | 07:14 |
ianychoi | And... we need to describe better two things: 1) translate-dev.openstack.org auth problem and 2) Zanata upgrade plan | 07:14 |
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eumel8 | ianychoi: there are few on the dev mailing list. Or there other pick up points? | 07:14 |
ianychoi | Infra team suggested to have a description on Etherpad, and talk through infra team IRC meeting | 07:14 |
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ianychoi | eumel8, hmm, I will try to better find them :) | 07:15 |
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eumel8 | ianychoi: you can try to set master read-only, if stable branch is created | 07:16 |
eumel8 | for the next project | 07:16 |
eumel8 | ok, next topic | 07:17 |
eumel8 | #topic PTG planning Denver (Specific dates and tasks) | 07:17 |
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eumel8 | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/denver-i18n-PTG | 07:17 |
eumel8 | I have the installation of the translation check site on the list | 07:18 |
eumel8 | at the moment it's broken, the osa team is working on it | 07:18 |
ianychoi | jpich, would you be busy during PTG? If not, would you also attend to I18n PTG room with Docs? | 07:19 |
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jpich | ianychoi: I will try to drop by whenever I can but there are other projects I have to attend as well - I'll look at the session times when available! | 07:19 |
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eumel8 | Zanata upgrade is the second topic with the infra team. We are still on Xenial so maybe it's not too complicated. | 07:20 |
eumel8 | but we have to catch the requirements for the new Zanata release | 07:20 |
ianychoi | I am not too much sure, but for Atlanta PTG, I arranged with asettle for PTG with Docs + I18n. eumel8 would you try to talk with new Docs PTL? | 07:20 |
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ianychoi | (In fact, asettle did more effort than me for last PTG: Docs+I18n) | 07:21 |
jpich | :) | 07:21 |
eumel8 | regarding doc team: I'm already in contact and I will join the team meeting in the afternoon to clearer coordinate | 07:21 |
ianychoi | eumel8, fortunately, current Zanata latest version uses the same Java version and Wildfly :) | 07:22 |
ianychoi | As far as I know.. | 07:22 |
ianychoi | eumel8, good :) | 07:22 |
eumel8 | There are only 2 big rooms during PTG so I asked the foundation for a table (8-10 persons), together with the doc team | 07:22 |
eumel8 | and maybe in the near of the infra team :) | 07:23 |
ianychoi | I think small room should be pretty fine :) | 07:24 |
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eumel8 | jpich: yes, it would be nice if there are much more people there. We have still open timeslots during the whole week. | 07:24 |
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jpich | Cool! | 07:26 |
robcresswell | Sorry for lateness, on holiday. From the Horizon side, RC2 was merged Tuesday after translation patch for that day had merged. I would still likely if translators could focus on stable/pike however, then when we tag 12.0.1 we will have better translation support. Most people do not upgrade for 6 - 18 months anyway :) | 07:27 |
robcresswell | And sorry to interrupt, just wanted to deliver info :) | 07:27 |
jpich | yay info | 07:28 |
eumel8 | ianychoi: I heart from the problems in Atlanta: nobody knews what happened where. | 07:28 |
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eumel8 | there will be a robot mechanism to announce activities: #link http://ptg.openstack.org/ptg.html | 07:28 |
ianychoi | robcresswell, pretty fine and thanks a lot for RC2! I merged all master translated strings to stable-pike version. When I did it, I found that fortunately almost translators already contributed a lot for stable/pike branch, not master branch :) | 07:29 |
jpich | Nice, ianychoi | 07:29 |
eumel8 | thx robcresswell for the info :) | 07:29 |
robcresswell | Ah great, thanks ianychoi | 07:29 |
ianychoi | eumel8, oh PTG bot is now active! | 07:30 |
eumel8 | ianychoi: you know them? ;) | 07:30 |
ianychoi | robcresswell, you're welcome :) | 07:30 |
eumel8 | ianychoi: yes, it was announced but I was not able to test it | 07:30 |
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ianychoi | eumel8, I just knew that there is a PTG bot on #openstack-ptg IRC channel but I did not know the existence of such web site. I cannot read all things.. haha:) | 07:31 |
eumel8 | ianychoi: yes, you need +v status in the channel and can talk like #i18n is doing things now on room xxx | 07:32 |
ianychoi | Aha... I see. :) | 07:32 |
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eumel8 | seems like an ansible project, because all of them have already +v there ;) | 07:33 |
ianychoi | Next topic? | 07:35 |
eumel8 | okay, I think till next week we have a clearer picture about PTG planning. Please add topics on Etherpad | 07:35 |
ianychoi | eumel8, thanks a lot! | 07:35 |
eumel8 | there is also a link for a team photo session and I wouldn't be alone ;) | 07:35 |
eumel8 | #topic Schedule for Sydney Summit is out | 07:35 |
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ianychoi | :) | 07:36 |
eumel8 | The agenda for the Sydney summit is out | 07:36 |
eumel8 | I would like mention two session that I covered on the list: | 07:36 |
eumel8 | #info Zanata Session: https://www.openstack.org/summit/sydney-2017/summit-schedule/events/20007/how-zanata-powers-upstream-collaboration-with-openstack-internationalization | 07:36 |
eumel8 | The session from the zanata guys would be really nice | 07:37 |
ianychoi | Alex Eng and Patrick Huang :) | 07:37 |
ianychoi | Unfortunately, I might be so unable to attend to Sydney Summit | 07:37 |
eumel8 | #info Communiy build (with Ilya as Speaker): https://www.openstack.org/summit/sydney-2017/summit-schedule/events/19582/how-to-get-involved-in-the-openstack-community | 07:37 |
jpich | It looks interesting | 07:37 |
jpich | ianychoi: Oh no :( I hope you can go | 07:38 |
eumel8 | Ilya from the Russian language time has also won a session about community building | 07:38 |
jpich | Nice, too! | 07:38 |
eumel8 | and I think we can support him | 07:38 |
ianychoi | :) | 07:38 |
ianychoi | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/sydney-2017/summit-schedule/events/19683/developing-and-using-horizon-plugins-lessons-and-know-hows-we-learned | 07:38 |
ianychoi | amotoki should be in Sydney during the next Summit :) | 07:39 |
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eumel8 | nice, thx for the link | 07:39 |
jpich | woohoo amotoki :) | 07:40 |
eumel8 | ianychoi: I can pick up you in Hong Kong ;) | 07:40 |
ianychoi | eumel8, and I am so sorry for your proposal.. I gave +2 and I should have written my impression.. | 07:40 |
amotoki | it's now ten minutes, so I would like to give shu-mutou full slot time :) | 07:40 |
eumel8 | hi amotoki | 07:40 |
-amotoki- just lurks. he is in another F2F meeting | 07:41 | |
ianychoi | amotoki, aha I see :) | 07:41 |
eumel8 | ianychoi: it's already the same mystic about session election | 07:42 |
ianychoi | It would be great if some I18n members will help present with Alex and Patrick. | 07:42 |
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ianychoi | eumel8, unfortunately I am too much familiar with Summit session election.. | 07:43 |
ianychoi | s/too/not too | 07:43 |
eumel8 | last thing is the project update session. I'm in contact with ianychoi and amotoki but I think we need still volunteers. | 07:43 |
eumel8 | it's to deside till Sep 05 | 07:43 |
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genek | eumel8: I can help if I'm able to go to Sydney | 07:44 |
ianychoi | eumel8, hmm, might be I forgot following-up this? genek: Can I ask when your availability would be clearer? | 07:44 |
ianychoi | for Sydney Summit? | 07:44 |
genek | It depends on when the TSP result comes out | 07:45 |
eumel8 | thx, genek. For me it's also not clear if I'm there | 07:45 |
eumel8 | But travel will be cheaper then Denver. That's also interesting. | 07:45 |
ianychoi | genek, aha... I really hope that your TSP result will be positive. | 07:45 |
genek | ianychoi: It will be out before Sep 8 | 07:46 |
genek | ianychoi: thanks :) | 07:46 |
ianychoi | Aha thanks :) | 07:46 |
jpich | Good luck genek :) | 07:46 |
eumel8 | ianychoi: there are some slides as draft on Google Drive | 07:46 |
genek | jpich: thanks :_ | 07:46 |
genek | :) | 07:46 |
ianychoi | eumel8, I have not seen them... thank you for information | 07:47 |
eumel8 | to catch all topics what we have done in Pike | 07:47 |
eumel8 | it's in the Boston folder | 07:47 |
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eumel8 | #topic Open Discussions | 07:48 |
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eumel8 | okay, last point on the list today | 07:48 |
ianychoi | eumel8, LGTM :) I will more see it! | 07:48 |
eumel8 | :) | 07:48 |
ianychoi | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/496142/ | 07:49 |
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ianychoi | So from now, log translation removal will be applied to all server project repositories through "Import from Zanata" | 07:49 |
ianychoi | Precisely, "Imported Translations from Zanata" | 07:50 |
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ianychoi | And.. I have heard from ujuc - Korean coordinator that user survey translators received a gift from Foundation | 07:50 |
genek | eumel8 got one too, saw the photo on twitter | 07:51 |
genek | I'll probably recive mine today, got notification from Fedex this morning :) | 07:51 |
ianychoi | I will send an e-mail to Foundation for user survey: great appreaciation and which things I18n needs to follow-up for translated survey result and preparing for next user survey translation. | 07:51 |
ianychoi | genek, great :) | 07:51 |
eumel8 | ianychoi: You have to adjust your followers ;) #link https://twitter.com/eumel_8/status/900017213129846785 | 07:52 |
ianychoi | copying with Frank, of course | 07:52 |
jpich | That's cool!! | 07:52 |
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eumel8 | genek: yes, it's FedEx | 07:52 |
genek | ianychoi: I was asked by Allison to translate the input, still waiting for more info | 07:52 |
eumel8 | genek: and sorry, it's not a surprise anymore ;) | 07:52 |
ianychoi | eumel8, ack :) | 07:52 |
ianychoi | Note that in Korea, I do not use Twitter too much.. | 07:53 |
eumel8 | ianychoi: but you are there :) | 07:53 |
ianychoi | :) | 07:54 |
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eumel8 | so, we are good in time. My next meeting is starting in few minutes. Thx for attending and have a nice day/evening! | 07:55 |
genek | thanks all :) | 07:56 |
jpich | Thanks, you too! | 07:56 |
ianychoi | Thanks all! | 07:56 |
eumel8 | #endmeeting | 07:56 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Thu Aug 24 07:56:51 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 07:56 |
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openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2017/openstack_i18n_meeting.2017-08-24-07.00.html | 07:56 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2017/openstack_i18n_meeting.2017-08-24-07.00.txt | 07:56 |
ianychoi | and also eumel8 : Thanks a lot for leading today meeting! | 07:56 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2017/openstack_i18n_meeting.2017-08-24-07.00.log.html | 07:56 |
jpich | ++ | 07:57 |
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eumel8 | :) | 07:57 |
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gmann | #startmeeting qa | 08:00 |
openstack | Meeting started Thu Aug 24 08:00:20 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gmann. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 08:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 08:00 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'qa' | 08:00 |
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gmann | who all are here today? | 08:00 |
blancos | o/ | 08:00 |
zhufl1 | o/ | 08:01 |
UdayT | o/ | 08:01 |
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andreaf | o/ | 08:01 |
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gmann | let's start | 08:02 |
gmann | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/QATeamMeeting#Agenda_for_August_24th_2017_.280800_UTC.29 | 08:02 |
gmann | today agenda ^^ | 08:02 |
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chandankumar | gmann: andreaf zhufl1 \o/ | 08:02 |
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gmann | #topic Previous Meeting Action review | 08:03 |
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andreaf | \o | 08:03 |
martinkopec | o/ | 08:03 |
gmann | long pending AI for me | 08:03 |
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gmann | #Action gmann to send ML for upcoming removal of deprecated interfaces and its affect on stable branches | 08:03 |
gmann | i have not sent mail yet. i will be able to get all data and send by next week | 08:04 |
gmann | #action gmann to send ML for upcoming removal of deprecated interfaces and its affect on stable branches | 08:04 |
gmann | #topic PTG | 08:04 |
andreaf | gmann: thanks - that would be really useful | 08:04 |
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gmann | andreaf, yea, did not find time actually. we should remove those long pending things soon | 08:05 |
gmann | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/qa-queens-ptg | 08:05 |
gmann | ^^ PTG etherpad | 08:05 |
chandankumar | I will be not able to make it to PTG, for tempest plugin split help, tosky and dmellado will be helping there | 08:05 |
andreaf | chandankumar: sorry you won't be there | 08:06 |
gmann | chandankumar, yea. visa things are hard. | 08:06 |
dmellado | o/ I'll be around, for chandan blame Trump... | 08:06 |
* gmann saw afazekas coming. hope to meet him this time :) | 08:06 | |
gmann | dmellado, :) nice | 08:06 |
chandankumar | forgot about that, also you can pull afazekas in the tempest plugin split also | 08:07 |
gmann | we need more proposal ideas as not much as of now | 08:07 |
andreaf | dmellado: yeah great to meet you there | 08:07 |
dmellado | I'm also interested on getting feedback on how to handle k8s python client | 08:07 |
dmellado | and some mixed-up k8s/openstack testing | 08:07 |
dmellado | I'll be putting something there, but for now I'm getting back to my meeting, folks | 08:08 |
andreaf | dmellado: did you propose a session about that? | 08:08 |
dmellado | great seeing you there!!! | 08:08 |
dmellado | I did, IIRC | 08:08 |
gmann | dmellado, that is gone things right we will be using client from k8s side | 08:08 |
andreaf | dmellado: great thanks | 08:08 |
andreaf | dmellado: that would be a very interesting topic, and I would love to see some real life use cases of openstack/k8s cross testing | 08:09 |
gmann | dmellado, you mean to add in tempest service client? | 08:09 |
dmellado | yeah I was thinking about if that'd be useful | 08:09 |
dmellado | and also would love feedback about some mixed scenario tests | 08:09 |
gmann | andreaf, for kuryr testing it will be useful | 08:09 |
gmann | dmellado, nice | 08:10 |
dmellado | andreaf: you can see my kuryr tempest plugin, for example | 08:10 |
dmellado | I'll be adding quite some more tests to it | 08:10 |
gmann | yea | 08:10 |
andreaf | gmann, dmellado: cool I'll look into it | 08:10 |
* dmellado gets pulled again, pls ping me later at #openstack-qa if you need me | 08:10 | |
gmann | dmellado, sure thanks | 08:10 |
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chandankumar | dmellado: your expertize will help us in adding different ci to any particular tempest plugin for full coverage of a project | 08:10 |
* afazekas gmann: me too | 08:11 | |
gmann | i will be setting up the tacker plugin during PTG, as very less testing for tacker in gate mainly scenario things | 08:11 |
gmann | add more and more sessions on etherpad | 08:12 |
gmann | andreaf, any deadline for that as we are just 2 week far from PTG ? | 08:12 |
andreaf | gmann: nice you can track that on the etherpad (the tacker plugin) | 08:12 |
gmann | andreaf, sure | 08:12 |
andreaf | gmann: just make sure we come prepared for the various sessions | 08:13 |
chandankumar | gmann: andreaf i will create a wiki page today to track all plugin status with their respective | 08:13 |
chandankumar | and will send a mail to openstack-dev so that people can update it. | 08:13 |
gmann | andreaf, sure | 08:13 |
andreaf | gmann: I will start this week to formalise a bit more the etherpad and add extra etherpard for each sessions - but everyone can make one for their sessions - start adding more notes for the discussion | 08:14 |
chandankumar | andreaf: can i also announce also about Walkthrough: migrating a plugin from in-tree to own repo (andreaf) topic through the sam email? | 08:14 |
chandankumar | so that people can attend it | 08:14 |
gmann | andreaf, cool | 08:14 |
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gmann | chandankumar, +1 for wiki on plugin things. it will be useful to track those | 08:15 |
andreaf | chandankumar: link? | 08:16 |
chandankumar | andreaf: creating right now, will pass you after meeting | 08:16 |
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andreaf | chandankumar: ok | 08:16 |
andreaf | one last thing on my side | 08:16 |
andreaf | during PTG we'll have the opportunity to take a team photo again | 08:17 |
andreaf | so it's either Tue or Wed | 08:17 |
gmann | andreaf, help hours will be fish ball room or traning type or design discussion kind ? | 08:17 |
andreaf | I would say Wed | 08:17 |
gmann | andreaf, +1, for photo | 08:18 |
* gmann i can compare my beard growth from last PTG :) | 08:18 | |
andreaf | gmann: that's a good question - I understand they will be design discussion kind - but I need to check with ttx | 08:18 |
gmann | andreaf, ok | 08:18 |
andreaf | ok I'll just book a slot for the photo and put it on the etherpad | 08:19 |
gmann | k | 08:19 |
gmann | anything else on PTG ? | 08:19 |
gmann | #topic Gate Stability | 08:19 |
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gmann | not much failure on gate #link https://goo.gl/ptPgEw | 08:20 |
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gmann | any known issue on gate anyone want to discuss | 08:20 |
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gmann | #topic Specs Reviews | 08:22 |
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gmann | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/qa-specs,n,z | 08:22 |
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gmann | this is key work before PTG. start reviewing/ adding spec for your topic going to be discussed in PTG | 08:22 |
gmann | dmellado, it will be nice if you can come up with k8s spec. it will be helpful for discussion | 08:23 |
dmellado | gmann: sure, I'll be writing something as a draft before the PTG | 08:23 |
gmann | dmellado, thanks. | 08:24 |
dmellado | so we could discuss it and start implementation | 08:24 |
gmann | +1 | 08:24 |
gmann | anything else on spec side ? | 08:24 |
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gmann | #topic Tempest | 08:25 |
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gmann | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/tempest+status:open | 08:25 |
gmann | andreaf big patch is merged #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/493668/ | 08:25 |
andreaf | yeah thanks for that everyone, now let's all go and rebase :( | 08:26 |
gmann | this is patrole fix - #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/497013/ | 08:26 |
andreaf | :P | 08:26 |
andreaf | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/497013/ Patrole fix | 08:26 |
gmann | andreaf, just fixed the comment | 08:28 |
andreaf | thanks | 08:28 |
gmann | i do not want to remove the check as we can uncomment it with correct function once tempest is released | 08:28 |
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andreaf | gmann: we could leave it uncommented - it doesn't harm | 08:29 |
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gmann | patrole take tempest from pip? | 08:29 |
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gmann | it would not fail in patrole ? | 08:30 |
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andreaf | ok I see - then I would just remove it completely - but it's ok as is as well | 08:31 |
andreaf | as is in your patch I mean | 08:31 |
gmann | k | 08:32 |
gmann | blancos, please check this - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/497013/ | 08:32 |
gmann | next is - Test.py as stable | 08:33 |
gmann | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tempest-test-module-stable | 08:33 |
blancos | gmann Will do. Thank you | 08:33 |
gmann | blancos, thanks | 08:33 |
gmann | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/tempest+branch:master+topic:test_module_stable | 08:33 |
andreaf | Thanks gmann | 08:33 |
andreaf | I just rebased the series after the decorator move | 08:34 |
andreaf | and I keep adding to it | 08:34 |
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andreaf | mostly docstings and unit tests now | 08:34 |
gmann | andreaf, you did rebase. nice | 08:34 |
gmann | andreaf, thanks | 08:35 |
andreaf | my plan it to change as little as possible of the current implementation | 08:35 |
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andreaf | there are a few tiny inconsistencies but we can fix them over time | 08:35 |
gmann | andreaf, ok, you want to declare it stable after PTG or before. | 08:36 |
andreaf | like if you request admin or alt and they are not available we skip, but if you request credentials by role and they are not available we fail | 08:36 |
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andreaf | gmann: at this rate I'm doubting before PTG will make it in time - but I'm trying | 08:36 |
andreaf | gmann: one open point is the swift client | 08:36 |
gmann | andreaf, because i think not much people commenting on etherpad #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tempest-test-module-stable | 08:37 |
andreaf | gmann: we cannot declare clients.py stable without the swift client I think and we cannot declare test.py stable without clients.py | 08:37 |
gmann | may be discussing or going through that in PTG also good to get more feedback and thoughts | 08:38 |
andreaf | gmann: yeah I need to update it with the latest patches - not sure there is much more to be discussed on the etherpad | 08:38 |
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gmann | andreaf, ah, that is my side things for swift client | 08:38 |
gmann | andreaf, let's see if i can make those before PTG | 08:38 |
andreaf | gmann: sure sounds like a good plan - I would like to get as further as possible anyways before PTG we can hold off the "declare as stable" patch and do a review at the PTG | 08:39 |
gmann | andreaf, +1 | 08:39 |
andreaf | gmann: yeah if you need help with those let us know it doesn't have to be all on your shoulders | 08:39 |
andreaf | but in general I would like to think that in queens we can focus on something different from making stable interfaces | 08:40 |
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andreaf | sure there'll be a few more things here and there but if we cover 90%+ of what plugins use we are in a good position I think | 08:40 |
gmann | andreaf, sure, i just have some nova PoC patches and this one. i will ask for help if needed or i get delay for those | 08:41 |
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gmann | andreaf, yea that will be big relief for us. not fixing plugins all time | 08:41 |
gmann | next is Bug Triage. | 08:42 |
gmann | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/pike-qa-bug-triage | 08:42 |
gmann | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tempest-weekly-bug-report | 08:42 |
gmann | this week zhufl1 turn | 08:43 |
gmann | zhufl1, go ahead | 08:43 |
zhufl1 | yeah | 08:43 |
zhufl1 | I put those may need discussion on bug report | 08:44 |
gmann | zhufl1, ok | 08:45 |
gmann | zhufl1, anything interesting bug etc | 08:45 |
zhufl1 | seems not | 08:45 |
gmann | ok | 08:45 |
gmann | zhufl1, thanks | 08:45 |
zhufl1 | :) | 08:46 |
gmann | next turn is chandankumar (again :)) | 08:46 |
gmann | #topic Patrole | 08:46 |
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gmann | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/patrole | 08:46 |
gmann | blancos, your turn | 08:47 |
blancos | We have a few open reviews we wouldn't mind having some extra eyes on | 08:47 |
gmann | ok | 08:48 |
blancos | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/patrole+status:open | 08:48 |
gmann | i think we should review this spec before PTG for patrole- | 08:48 |
blancos | I know Felipe also has some topics he's looking to bring up at the PTG to get feedback on | 08:48 |
gmann | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/461140/ | 08:48 |
gmann | blancos, nice | 08:48 |
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blancos | gmann Yes, we're pretty excited about that one :) It'll really help with testing certain APIs | 08:49 |
blancos | (and I think that's about it for Patrole) | 08:49 |
gmann | sure. | 08:49 |
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gmann | blancos, thanks | 08:50 |
gmann | i will discuss the patrole job on nova in PTG | 08:50 |
blancos | gmann Okay, thank you | 08:50 |
gmann | because that spec is not reviewed by anyone else | 08:50 |
gmann | anything else on patrols ? | 08:51 |
blancos | No, I think that's it | 08:51 |
gmann | #topic Critical Reviews | 08:51 |
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gmann | i think we mostly covered this | 08:52 |
gmann | but if anyone else have any more priority reviews | 08:52 |
gmann | we have 6 min left let's jump to open | 08:53 |
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gmann | #topic Open Discussion | 08:54 |
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ildikov | hi | 08:54 |
ildikov | I have a quick question | 08:54 |
gmann | ildikov, hi | 08:54 |
ildikov | a few OPNFV folks reached out to me, their test group plans trying to setup resiliency/long duration/robustness/stress tests in OPNFV | 08:54 |
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ildikov | and they are interested in collaborating with us and learning about what we are doing in this area | 08:55 |
gmann | ildikov, nice. | 08:55 |
ildikov | so I wanted to ask whether that is in scope in any extent? | 08:55 |
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gmann | ildikov, anyone from them joining PTG? i know R Mibu not coming | 08:55 |
ildikov | I will ask, not sure whether anyone from the testing teams is coming | 08:56 |
gmann | ildikov, one of them we are going to discuss about robust testing in PTG | 08:56 |
ildikov | gmann: is it ok, if I add you to the mail thread? | 08:56 |
gmann | ildikov, and stress one we have in private repo and i can try to add in qa project | 08:56 |
gmann | ildikov, sure | 08:56 |
ildikov | that sounds pretty good, the PTG would be a great forum to move discussions forward | 08:57 |
andreaf | ildikov: I'm happy to be in the loop as well | 08:57 |
gmann | ildikov, overall we have scope with tempest plugin, if tests not under tempest it can be done with tempest plugin | 08:57 |
ildikov | andreaf: awesome, thanks | 08:57 |
gmann | ildikov, yea add andreaf also | 08:57 |
gmann | we can further discuss the direction | 08:57 |
UdayT | Hi | 08:57 |
ildikov | that's great, I know it came up earlier, but wasn't sure where things stand at the moment and what our capacity is, etc. | 08:58 |
gmann | ildikov, thanks for information and it one of our agenda of cross community testing | 08:58 |
gmann | UdayT, HI | 08:58 |
ildikov | I will add you to the mail thread and ask back about who's coming to the PTG | 08:58 |
UdayT | I have a question/need for direction ? | 08:58 |
gmann | ildikov, COOL | 08:58 |
ildikov | gmann: +1 for cross-community testing | 08:58 |
gmann | UdayT, please go ahead | 08:58 |
UdayT | Wanted to push a commit for a scenario test involving Nova, Glance and Neutron (with CPU pinning/SRIOV). | 08:58 |
gmann | 1 min left | 08:59 |
UdayT | I only found this https://docs.openstack.org/tempest/latest/field_guide/scenario.html. | 08:59 |
gmann | UdayT, ok | 08:59 |
UdayT | Can you help me with some direction please ? | 08:59 |
UdayT | Specifically my test is for After reaching max VCPU for a particular host, that we can spin up the same number of new VMs after terminating the same number of ACTIVE VMs on that host. | 08:59 |
gmann | UdayT, sure, can we discuss on qa channel | 08:59 |
gmann | time up let;s move to qa | 08:59 |
andreaf | yeah let | 09:00 |
gmann | UdayT, ll discuss on qa channel | 09:00 |
andreaf | let's move the the qa channel | 09:00 |
gmann | thanks all for joining | 09:00 |
gmann | #endmeeting | 09:00 |
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openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2017/qa.2017-08-24-08.00.txt | 09:00 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2017/qa.2017-08-24-08.00.log.html | 09:00 |
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UdayT | gmann: Thanks | 09:00 |
gmann | UdayT, can you join #openstack-qa channel | 09:01 |
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dansmith | aaaand...go | 13:59 |
mriedem | #startmeeting nova | 14:00 |
openstack | Meeting started Thu Aug 24 14:00:19 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mriedem. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:00 | |
openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova' | 14:00 |
efried | \o | 14:00 |
dansmith | o/ | 14:00 |
stephenfin | o/ | 14:00 |
edleafe | \o | 14:01 |
mriedem | alright i'll assume there are others lingering | 14:01 |
cdent | o/ | 14:01 |
mriedem | #link agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Nova | 14:01 |
mriedem | #topic release news | 14:02 |
*** openstack changes topic to "release news (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:02 | |
mriedem | #link Pike release schedule: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/Pike_Release_Schedule | 14:02 |
mriedem | #info August 24 (today) is Pike RC2 | 14:02 |
mriedem | #link Pike RC TODO etherpad: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nova-pike-release-candidate-todo | 14:02 |
mriedem | there are a few things in there | 14:02 |
mriedem | dansmith: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/496997/ is one backport | 14:02 |
dansmith | ack | 14:02 |
mriedem | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/497237/ is another | 14:02 |
mriedem | those are the two from yesterday | 14:02 |
mriedem | stephenfin also backported the nova-manage cell command deprecation patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/497166/ | 14:03 |
mriedem | as i said yesterday, i don't feel a need to push this in, but don't care too much either way | 14:03 |
dansmith | I thought you wanted to wait on that? | 14:03 |
dansmith | yeah, our rc2 list is pretty long at the moment | 14:03 |
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* alex_xu waves late | 14:04 | |
mriedem | the other known one that will be coming is alex_xu's patch for removing allocations on reschedule https://review.openstack.org/#/c/496995/ | 14:04 |
dansmith | yeah will look at that when we're donehere | 14:04 |
mriedem | which has me going back and forth not on the reschedule part, but the abort part | 14:04 |
mriedem | also, ^ doesn't handle the case that we reschedule during migrate/resize, which is a similar bug | 14:04 |
mriedem | i think that's a fairly easy fix on it's own, which i could push on top of alex's after we're done | 14:05 |
cdent | Is https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1712816 agreed as rc potential? recently tagged as such | 14:05 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1712816 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "reporting incorrect allocations for "DISK_GB" in case of volume-backed instances" [Undecided,New] | 14:05 |
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mriedem | i think that's the same person that was asking about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/428481/ | 14:06 |
cdent | yeah, it links to that | 14:06 |
mriedem | so, isn't this a latent issue already where we've always incorrectly claimed disk during boot from volume? | 14:07 |
mriedem | dansmith: ^? | 14:07 |
dansmith | mriedem: yes it is | 14:07 |
mriedem | ok, then not rc2 | 14:07 |
* cdent removes the tag | 14:07 | |
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mriedem | we could probably also duplicate the bug | 14:08 |
* kashyap is lingering around, but forgot to wave hi | 14:09 | |
mriedem | ok so we'll sort out alex's fix after the meeting, i'll start on the resize + reschedule fix after the meeting, and then hopefully that's it for rc2 | 14:09 |
mriedem | #info Re-propose specs for Queens. | 14:10 |
mriedem | i know people are already doing this | 14:10 |
mriedem | oh which reminds me | 14:10 |
mriedem | melwitt has a nova-specs patch to add an 'upgrade impact' section to the queens template, which would probably be good to get in early before people start writing new specs for queens https://review.openstack.org/#/c/456756/ | 14:10 |
cdent | that’s a good idea | 14:10 |
dansmith | we didn't already have that section? | 14:11 |
mriedem | #link mel's nova-specs queens template upgrade impact section patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/456756/ | 14:11 |
dansmith | I could have sworn | 14:11 |
mriedem | dansmith: nope | 14:11 |
edleafe | So no long-suffering pike specs can be approved? Thinking of Jay's: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/471927/ | 14:11 |
mriedem | dansmith: there are some things interspersed in other sections, as i pointed out in her PS1 | 14:11 |
dansmith | hmm okay | 14:11 |
mriedem | edleafe: yes that's basically docs at this point, i just haven't gotten back to it yet | 14:11 |
edleafe | mriedem: ok, cool | 14:12 |
mriedem | alright moving on | 14:12 |
mriedem | #topic bugs | 14:12 |
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mriedem | nothing marked as critical | 14:12 |
mriedem | #info 7 new untriaged bugs (up 6 from last week) | 14:12 |
mriedem | i have been going through these daily looking for rc potential stuff, | 14:13 |
mriedem | and will say, bug triage is much nicer when there are only <10 to go through | 14:13 |
mriedem | #info pike-rc-potential bugs: https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?field.tag=pike-rc-potential | 14:14 |
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mriedem | those are the known issues, | 14:14 |
mriedem | i'll report a new bug for the resize + reschedule bug | 14:14 |
mriedem | gate status is ok | 14:14 |
mriedem | 3rd party ci - no news | 14:14 |
mriedem | #topic reminders | 14:14 |
*** openstack changes topic to "reminders (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:14 | |
mriedem | #link Consider signing up for the Queens PTG which is the week of September 11 in Denver, CO, USA: https://www.openstack.org/ptg | 14:15 |
mriedem | #link Pike PTG topics etherpad: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nova-ptg-queens | 14:15 |
mriedem | ^ is still unordered | 14:15 |
mriedem | i won't be going into that until after pike rc2 is done | 14:15 |
mriedem | #info Be a star and consider the Pike project update interview at the PTG: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-August/121369.html | 14:15 |
mriedem | #topic stable branch status | 14:16 |
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mriedem | #link stable/ocata: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:stable/ocata,n,z | 14:16 |
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mriedem | #info Ocata 15.0.7 released on 8/22 | 14:16 |
mriedem | thanks to all that helped push through the ocata reviews | 14:16 |
mriedem | #link stable/newton: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:stable/newton,n,z | 14:16 |
mriedem | #info Newton 14.0.8 release request: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/496285/ | 14:16 |
mriedem | ditto for newton | 14:16 |
mriedem | #topic subteam highlights | 14:17 |
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mriedem | there was no cells v2 meeting this week, we'll have one next week to talk about PTG stuff | 14:17 |
mriedem | edleafe: scheduler highlights? | 14:17 |
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edleafe | and thought it should be approved soon. | 14:17 |
edleafe | #link Allocation spec https://review.openstack.org/#/c/471927/ | 14:17 |
edleafe | The patches for returning alternates and allocations are up for review. | 14:17 |
edleafe | #link Add alternates and allocation, series starting with https://review.openstack.org/486215/ | 14:17 |
edleafe | The way this complex set of data works is troubling, so I wrote up a post to start some discussion on improving things: | 14:17 |
edleafe | #link Scheduler data issues https://blog.leafe.com/handling-unstructured-data/ | 14:17 |
edleafe | Discussed the need for refactoring the placement code, as it's a lot of stuff crammed into a couple of Nova modules. Only real solution is making placement a separate repo so we can break up the monolithic modules. | 14:18 |
edleafe | Doh! Can't copy/paste | 14:18 |
edleafe | First line should have been: | 14:18 |
edleafe | Discussed Jay's spec for returning allocation requests to the scheduler , and thought it should be approved soon. | 14:18 |
edleafe | ok, now I'm done | 14:18 |
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mriedem | ok | 14:19 |
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mriedem | and dansmith seems to have started on making the migration record the allocation consumer during moves | 14:19 |
dansmith | yeah | 14:19 |
mriedem | alex_xu: api meeting highlights? | 14:20 |
alex_xu | we go through the queens release work items | 14:20 |
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alex_xu | gmann fill the no-more-extension-in-queens stuff in the ptg etherpad, and going to prepare some sample patch | 14:20 |
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alex_xu | also discussion if there is a way to run the sample tests/unittests on the latest microversion and without create another huge numbers work items which may across multiple releases | 14:21 |
alex_xu | that is all we have | 14:21 |
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mriedem | ok | 14:22 |
mriedem | i thought you guys all loved multi-release mega efforts :) | 14:22 |
mriedem | that's basically all we do in nova now | 14:22 |
mriedem | there was no notification meeting this week | 14:22 |
alex_xu | heh :) | 14:22 |
mriedem | and the nova/cinder meeting is today | 14:22 |
mriedem | from what i gathered before vacation, | 14:23 |
mriedem | cinder is going to need another microversoin for a new api that nova needs to call when we finish an attachment on the host | 14:23 |
mriedem | and on detach from the host | 14:23 |
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mriedem | but i'm fuzzy on details | 14:24 |
mriedem | #topic stuck reviews | 14:24 |
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mriedem | there was nothing on the agenda | 14:24 |
mriedem | does anyone need to mention something here? | 14:24 |
smcginnis | mriedem: Cinder API microversion 3.44 - fyi. | 14:24 |
mriedem | smcginnis: already landed? | 14:24 |
mriedem | nvm we can talk after the meeting | 14:25 |
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mriedem | #topic open discussion | 14:25 |
*** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:25 | |
smcginnis | mriedem: Yes, but only in Queens unfortunately. | 14:25 |
mriedem | there is nothing on the agenda for open discussion, so feel free to discuss openly if you want | 14:25 |
mriedem | ok i guess that's it, thanks everyone | 14:26 |
mriedem | #endmeeting | 14:26 |
*** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 14:26 | |
openstack | Meeting ended Thu Aug 24 14:26:23 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:26 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2017/nova.2017-08-24-14.00.html | 14:26 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2017/nova.2017-08-24-14.00.txt | 14:26 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2017/nova.2017-08-24-14.00.log.html | 14:26 |
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asettle | #startmeeting docteam | 16:01 |
asettle | #startmeeting docteam | 16:01 |
openstack | Meeting started Thu Aug 24 16:01:38 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is asettle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'docteam' | 16:01 |
openstack | asettle: Error: Can't start another meeting, one is in progress. Use #endmeeting first. | 16:01 |
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jungleboyj | @! | 16:02 |
_pewp_ | jungleboyj ( ・ω・)ノ | 16:02 |
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asettle | Phew, was having a slight delay there | 16:02 |
ianychoi | o/ | 16:02 |
asettle | Hey everyone :) | 16:02 |
rluethi | hi | 16:02 |
pkovar | /me is here | 16:02 |
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eumel8 | hi alex | 16:02 |
eumel8 | o/ | 16:02 |
asettle | Hello! | 16:02 |
dhellmann | o/ | 16:02 |
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asettle | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/DocTeamMeeting#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 16:03 |
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asettle | Agenda ) | 16:03 |
asettle | :) * | 16:03 |
asettle | Small agenda, but like last week, no doubt we'll debate the worldddd :p | 16:03 |
asettle | Will wait until 5 past as always | 16:03 |
jungleboyj | :-) Short meetings!?! Impossible! | 16:04 |
asettle | We used to manage like, 20 minutes! | 16:04 |
asettle | Crazy times :p | 16:04 |
stephenfin | o/ | 16:04 |
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asettle | o/ | 16:04 |
asettle | Okay, let's go | 16:05 |
asettle | #topic Action items from the last meeting | 16:05 |
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asettle | No items again! Hooray! | 16:05 |
asettle | #topic Queens PTL! | 16:05 |
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asettle | Congratulations and welcome to Petr! ( pkovar ) | 16:06 |
pkovar | thanks, asettle | 16:06 |
asettle | Want to just give us a litle bit about yourself for those you don't previously konw you? :) | 16:06 |
pkovar | and thank you for your support, everybody | 16:06 |
asettle | (where you work, etc) | 16:06 |
ianychoi | Congrats, pkovar! | 16:06 |
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eumel8 | pkovar: congrats, again :) | 16:06 |
pkovar | so i started contributing to openstack and rdo around mitaka | 16:07 |
pkovar | was mostly involved in linux desktop communities before that | 16:07 |
jungleboyj | pkovar: Congrats! | 16:07 |
pkovar | i write docs, and am a translator too, actually :) | 16:07 |
pkovar | happy to work with all of you | 16:08 |
pkovar | at the ptg and elsewhere | 16:08 |
asettle | That'd be great :) looking forward to syncing up at the PTG | 16:08 |
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jungleboyj | ++ | 16:09 |
dhellmann | ++ | 16:09 |
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asettle | Sorry guys, I'm juggling two separate meetings | 16:10 |
asettle | Also congrats to Frank, who is the new i18n PTL | 16:11 |
asettle | I don't have Frank's IRC name? | 16:11 |
eumel8 | I'm here :) | 16:11 |
pkovar | asettle: feel free to #chair me | 16:11 |
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asettle | Oh there you are eumel8 | 16:12 |
asettle | Congratulations! | 16:12 |
asettle | #chair pkovar | 16:12 |
openstack | Current chairs: asettle pkovar | 16:12 |
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asettle | Please go ahead pkovar :) sorry | 16:13 |
pkovar | no worries | 16:13 |
eumel8 | thanks for the congratulation, asettle, and hopefully we will have a good work with both teams at the PTG and during the next cycle. | 16:13 |
asettle | Looking forward to it :) it's always great to be working with you guys. It went really well in Atlanta! | 16:13 |
pkovar | eumel8++ | 16:13 |
eumel8 | looking forward too :) | 16:14 |
pkovar | okay to move on to Doc migration ? | 16:14 |
ianychoi | I cannot go to Denver, but really hope that we will have a good discussion :) | 16:14 |
ianychoi | +1 | 16:14 |
jungleboyj | ianychoi: Bummer. | 16:14 |
pkovar | *sadface* | 16:14 |
ianychoi | T.T | 16:15 |
asettle | #topic Doc migration | 16:15 |
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eumel8 | ianychoi: depends on your timezone but Google Hangout is proposed and also IRC, of course. | 16:15 |
asettle | pkovar: go ahead | 16:15 |
pkovar | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+topic:doc-migration | 16:15 |
ianychoi | eumel8, sure - definitely :) | 16:15 |
pkovar | Only 3 pages of reviews! :D | 16:16 |
pkovar | almost done with https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/doc-migration-tracking | 16:16 |
pkovar | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/doc-migration-tracking | 16:16 |
pkovar | next is https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/doc-future-problems | 16:16 |
pkovar | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/doc-future-problems | 16:16 |
pkovar | Any updates from dhellmann? Ajaeger? | 16:16 |
dhellmann | nothing new from me | 16:17 |
pkovar | ah, Ajaeger isn't here | 16:17 |
pkovar | so, we have a doc migration session scheduled for Wednesday morning at the ptg | 16:17 |
pkovar | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/denver-doc-PTG | 16:18 |
dhellmann | we did have a question earlier about whether teams should backport doc migration changes if they didn't get them in before their branch, and the answer is yes in case that comes up again | 16:18 |
jungleboyj | Doh, that will be opposite Cinder sessions. :-( | 16:18 |
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jungleboyj | dhellmann: ++ | 16:18 |
pkovar | jungleboyj: we can book afternoon slots too, if there is intersted | 16:19 |
pkovar | what do you think? | 16:19 |
jungleboyj | pkovar: Sure, that could be good. | 16:19 |
pkovar | interest, rather | 16:19 |
dhellmann | I wonder if next time around we should use mon/tue for "helping" sessions and a day or two later in the week for team planning sessions | 16:19 |
dhellmann | to avoid that overlap | 16:20 |
pkovar | okay, if there are no objections, i will book the same room for afternoon, too | 16:20 |
dhellmann | ++ | 16:20 |
pkovar | dhellmann: would teams interested in docs be less busy on mon & tue? | 16:21 |
asettle | Sounds good :) | 16:21 |
dhellmann | pkovar : yes, mon/tue are the "cross-project" team days, so teams like cinder won't meet on those days and their team could drop in to a docs room if they needed to | 16:22 |
jungleboyj | dhellmann: ++ | 16:22 |
jungleboyj | Docs is kind of cross-project | 16:22 |
dhellmann | otoh, if we leave the docs team planning to wed then anyone who is on the docs team and another team would have a conflict there | 16:22 |
dhellmann | so I guess it depends on how many people like that we have | 16:22 |
dhellmann | we have plenty of time to figure that out before the next ptg in february | 16:23 |
pkovar | makes sense | 16:24 |
pkovar | Colorado Ballroom C booked for wed afternoon | 16:24 |
pkovar | #link https://ethercalc.openstack.org/Queens-PTG-Discussion-Rooms | 16:25 |
dhellmann | depending on how this one goes, that would be feedback to give to the organizers in denver, too | 16:25 |
asettle | Great :) thanks pkovar | 16:25 |
jungleboyj | Agreed. | 16:25 |
dhellmann | I updated the etherpad | 16:26 |
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pkovar | thanks | 16:27 |
pkovar | next #topic? | 16:27 |
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asettle | pkovar: please :) | 16:27 |
pkovar | #topic Docs release | 16:27 |
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pkovar | Pretty much nearly ready to go! Andreas and Alex approved the release patch | 16:27 |
pkovar | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/493234/ | 16:27 |
pkovar | All that is required is to ensure that relevant docs are published | 16:27 |
pkovar | dhellmann is updating the docs for this. | 16:27 |
dhellmann | I have a patch for that up now: | 16:27 |
dhellmann | #link https://review.openstack.org/497476 | 16:28 |
asettle | dhellmann: you're a star | 16:28 |
pkovar | great! | 16:28 |
ianychoi | Great! | 16:28 |
dhellmann | I could use more feedback about what people need help with | 16:28 |
dhellmann | I'll be putting together a brief overview of the new template stuff for the ptg, too | 16:29 |
pkovar | /me will have a look | 16:29 |
asettle | dhellmann: that'd be a good idea. | 16:29 |
asettle | dhellmann: I do wonder if we need to have a lunch 'n' learn at the PTG on how docs now work | 16:29 |
asettle | Helpful for us too | 16:29 |
jungleboyj | asettle: ++ | 16:29 |
asettle | That would help you gain some feedback | 16:30 |
dhellmann | yeah, my idea was to start an etherpad with some "how do I ..." sections and then go over those, with other folks taking notes as we went so we can turn those into docs if we have missing info | 16:30 |
asettle | dhellmann: I like! | 16:30 |
dhellmann | there's a bunch of info dump on https://docs.openstack.org/contributor-guide/doc-tools/template-generator.html but it's not very process-oriented | 16:30 |
diablo_rojo_phon | asettle good idea! | 16:31 |
asettle | Uh oh, if diablo_rojo_phon has found out, it's going to happen now :p | 16:31 |
ianychoi | Hi diablo_rojo_phon ! | 16:32 |
diablo_rojo_phon | Hello ianychoi :) | 16:32 |
ianychoi | :) | 16:32 |
jungleboyj | dhellmann: I keep getting questions on content that can be auto generated. Any education there would be greatly apprecaited. | 16:32 |
dhellmann | jungleboyj : ok, I'll make a note of that | 16:32 |
jungleboyj | dhellmann: Thank you. | 16:33 |
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pkovar | any other Q's on docs publishing? | 16:34 |
asettle | Not from my side :) | 16:35 |
dhellmann | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/doc-tool-lunch-and-learn | 16:35 |
dhellmann | there's my notes so far | 16:35 |
dhellmann | feel free to add things to that list | 16:35 |
jungleboyj | pkovar: I do have a question about what is happening with the release being cut. | 16:35 |
jungleboyj | A couple of them actually. | 16:35 |
pkovar | shoot but i think dhellmann knows more :) | 16:36 |
jungleboyj | Well, yeah, for both of you. :-) | 16:36 |
pkovar | heh | 16:36 |
jungleboyj | So, it looks like the external docs site right now is going to point to pike. | 16:36 |
dhellmann | "external docs site"? | 16:37 |
jungleboyj | So, for any changes that go into master we will need to backport them to pike, correct? | 16:37 |
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jungleboyj | If it is important. | 16:38 |
dhellmann | I'm not sure what you mean by "external docs site"? | 16:38 |
pkovar | me neither, actually | 16:38 |
jungleboyj | dhellmann: Sorry. https://docs.openstack.org/pike/ | 16:38 |
jungleboyj | I am talking about that. | 16:38 |
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dhellmann | ok | 16:39 |
jungleboyj | So, the main question is if something is backported to pike will it automatically get rebuild and show up under that site? | 16:39 |
dhellmann | yes, right now pike is set as the most current release | 16:39 |
ianychoi | I have a simple question: when openstack-manuals repo would have stable/pike branch? Around R+0 or around during PTG? | 16:39 |
dhellmann | there is a queens page, and the links there point to the "latest" URLs (docs.o.o/project/latest/ | 16:39 |
jungleboyj | Ok. | 16:39 |
dhellmann | yes, the docs for each branch of your project should be built separately | 16:39 |
dhellmann | so if you want something to show up in your pike docs, backport it to the stable/pike branch | 16:40 |
dhellmann | that's part of why we wanted the migration done before branches were cut, to avoid having to backport lots of changes | 16:40 |
jungleboyj | dhellmann: Ok. That was what I thought. | 16:40 |
dhellmann | doc changes should not trigger a new release candidate, fwiw | 16:40 |
jungleboyj | dhellmann: Ok, that is good to know. | 16:40 |
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jungleboyj | dhellmann: Thank you. | 16:41 |
dhellmann | ianychoi : I don't think we will be branching the openstack-manuals repo any more. None of the remaining content is version-specific. | 16:42 |
ianychoi | dhellmann, oh really - I got it and agree that version-specific documents are migrated. Thanks! | 16:44 |
pkovar | ianychoi: have a look at https://github.com/openstack/openstack-manuals/tree/master/www -- it contains the version-specific stuff for each release | 16:44 |
pkovar | queens included | 16:44 |
ianychoi | pkovar, thanks for the link - I meant branches in http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/openstack-manuals/refs/ | 16:44 |
pkovar | ianychoi: yeah, i too think we dont need them | 16:45 |
eumel8 | dhellmann: that sounds good. simplify the things | 16:45 |
dhellmann | eumel8 : exactly | 16:45 |
ianychoi | pkovar, agreed :) | 16:45 |
pkovar | okay to move to next #topic? | 16:46 |
ianychoi | Yep.. eumel8: then I think I18n team needs to figure out the demands for translation for version specific documents | 16:46 |
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pkovar | sounds like ptg material? | 16:47 |
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eumel8 | ianychoi: thx, note for our next meeting :) | 16:47 |
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pkovar | #topic PTG | 16:47 |
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pkovar | Planning etherpad: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/denver-doc-PTG | 16:47 |
pkovar | Petr will continue planning the PTG. | 16:47 |
ianychoi | eumel8, my pleasure :) | 16:47 |
pkovar | eumel8: you wanted to discuss i18n-docs topics for the ptg? | 16:48 |
pkovar | feel free to update https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/denver-doc-PTG | 16:48 |
pkovar | we have a link to https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/denver-i18n-PTG there too | 16:49 |
eumel8 | our agenda is almost empty | 16:49 |
eumel8 | some topics from amotoki there | 16:49 |
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pkovar | okay | 16:49 |
eumel8 | but I think we're doing PTG together like the last one on Atlanta | 16:49 |
eumel8 | unfortunatelly I wasn't there | 16:50 |
pkovar | that's my understanding too :) | 16:50 |
pkovar | me neither, eumel8 :) | 16:50 |
eumel8 | :) | 16:50 |
asettle | Yep! | 16:51 |
asettle | So, last time we managed the two intertwined | 16:51 |
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eumel8 | I think we will have some discussions with the doc migration and how infect this the I18n | 16:51 |
asettle | Let me find the previous etherpad so you both can get an idea of what ianychoi and I did | 16:51 |
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asettle | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/docs-i18n-ptg-pike | 16:51 |
ianychoi | Although I18n team have not discussed yet for PTG topics too much, I think there would be so many topics to be discussed - for example, 1) translation support after doc-migration 2) PDF generation for translated documents 3) adding translation document generation support to openstackdocstheme | 16:51 |
asettle | We managed the topics together, so that there was times that ianychoi and I collaborated, and others were separate. | 16:52 |
asettle | pkovar and eumel8 - might work to merge those etherpads :) | 16:52 |
pkovar | eumel8: okay with merging? | 16:52 |
ianychoi | #link https://docs.openstack.org/i18n/latest/ | 16:53 |
eumel8 | thx asettle. I think we review the last PTG and catching the lost topics | 16:53 |
asettle | Good thoughts :) | 16:53 |
eumel8 | pkovar: I think so | 16:53 |
ianychoi | I18n Contributor guide now has a language tab: [ English | 日本語 | Indonesia | Deutsch | Türkçe (Türkiye) | 한국어 (대한민국) ] | 16:53 |
asettle | It's entirely up to you both. I think at the time ianychoi and i were just figuring it out | 16:53 |
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dhellmann | ianychoi : nice! is that a feature of the theme, or did you do that by hand in the rst? | 16:53 |
ianychoi | dhellmann, currently, adding some scripts on i18n repo, and amotoki (also me) would like to incorporate it into openstackdocstheme :) | 16:55 |
eumel8 | pkovar: I like the agenda from the last PTG. We should do the same for Denver. | 16:55 |
pkovar | eumel8: fine with me | 16:55 |
dhellmann | ianychoi : I like the idea of adding it to the theme. | 16:55 |
asettle | eumel8: pkovar - I scheduled everything for 40 minute increments, which worked super well because people came in on the actual time slots | 16:56 |
asettle | Naturally you'll change things as you get closer to the date ;) | 16:56 |
ianychoi | dhellmann, thank u :) | 16:56 |
pkovar | yeah, i was thinking what's the preference here, everybody? | 16:56 |
pkovar | pre-scheduled, i guess? | 16:56 |
eumel8 | asettle: hopefully ;) | 16:56 |
dhellmann | scheduling makes sense for topics where we expect people to need to come and go, but part of the point of having the ptg time be unstructured is to let teams spend as much time as they need on a given topic | 16:57 |
pkovar | 3 more mins | 16:57 |
dhellmann | some topics may only take a few minutes, but some may take more than 40 | 16:57 |
dhellmann | the project doc translation may be a long conversation, for example | 16:57 |
asettle | dhellmann: the structure was fluid. But it was designed so everyone got their say. I did have a lot of feedback that the schedule worked. | 16:58 |
pkovar | dhellmann: makes a lot of sense, that's my experience from other community events, actually | 16:58 |
asettle | It's entirely up to you guys :) | 16:58 |
ianychoi | It completely depends.. but it would be so nice to have both structured & unstructured things.. | 16:58 |
dhellmann | asettle : sure, I just didn't want us to fall into a trap of cutting off discussion because of a schedule | 16:58 |
eumel8 | dhellmann: that's true, but we should have a minimal agenda | 16:58 |
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dhellmann | an agenda definitely makes sense | 16:58 |
asettle | Oh no dhellmann would never do that. | 16:58 |
ianychoi | On February, asettle and me sometimes changed schedule with flexibility :) | 16:59 |
asettle | It was just so people arrived in the room when we would, in theoery, start chatting | 16:59 |
pkovar | let's continue the discussion later and in the next meeting? | 16:59 |
dhellmann | ++ | 16:59 |
ianychoi | +1 | 16:59 |
eumel8 | thx to all | 16:59 |
rluethi | Pike release is next Wednesday. I'd be interested to learn about plans for teesting. FWIW, I have a patch for an automated Pike training-labs based on the current state of the "install-guide". | 16:59 |
pkovar | that would be Sept 7? | 16:59 |
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dhellmann | rluethi : we're about out of time; maybe we can discuss that in #openstack-docs? | 17:00 |
asettle | Yep, scoot on over :) | 17:00 |
dhellmann | sorry, #openstack-doc | 17:00 |
asettle | Thanks for hosting pkovar ! | 17:00 |
rluethi | dhellmann: when? | 17:00 |
pkovar | rluethi lets move there | 17:00 |
ianychoi | Thanks pkovar ! | 17:00 |
dhellmann | rluethi : now, we just need to clear this channel for other meetings | 17:00 |
ianychoi | and also asettle ! | 17:00 |
rluethi | bye | 17:00 |
pkovar | thanks | 17:00 |
sekelso | Bye | 17:00 |
pkovar | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
pkovar | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Thu Aug 24 17:00:49 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2017/docteam.2017-08-24-16.01.html | 17:00 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2017/docteam.2017-08-24-16.01.txt | 17:00 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2017/docteam.2017-08-24-16.01.log.html | 17:00 |
jungleboyj | Thanks everyone! | 17:01 |
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armax | knock knock | 22:01 |
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mlavalle | o/ | 22:02 |
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kevinbenton | hi | 22:02 |
mlavalle | o/ | 22:02 |
kevinbenton | #startmeeting neutron_drivers | 22:02 |
openstack | Meeting started Thu Aug 24 22:02:56 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is kevinbenton. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 22:02 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 22:02 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_drivers' | 22:03 |
kevinbenton | #topic announcements | 22:03 |
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kevinbenton | RC2 just released today | 22:03 |
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kevinbenton | armax: can you give us a snapshot of where we are with releases of everything else? | 22:03 |
armax | kevinbenton: everything else being? | 22:04 |
kevinbenton | is there anything we need to keep an eye on for the subprojects? IIRC we will need an RC3 for the DVR bug | 22:04 |
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kevinbenton | in neutron itself | 22:04 |
kevinbenton | armax: everything else = rest of stadium | 22:04 |
mlavalle | I thing we will | 22:04 |
armax | we have another week to cut other RCs if necessary | 22:04 |
mlavalle | think^^^ | 22:04 |
armax | kevinbenton: did you keep track of the FFEs you granted? | 22:04 |
armax | technically speaking we probably only have one or two days left knowing the usual state of the gate during crunch time | 22:05 |
armax | the bug itself can always be backported later | 22:05 |
mlavalle | we discussed the DVR bug earlier today during the L3 meeting | 22:06 |
armax | at this point we can only consider RC blocking issues to cut an RC3 | 22:06 |
armax | but I can’t see any so far | 22:06 |
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armax | ihrachys: welcome! | 22:07 |
mlavalle | so you say better concentrate of back porting later? | 22:07 |
armax | mlavalle: yes | 22:07 |
kevinbenton | the security group logging didn't make the FFE | 22:08 |
mlavalle | cool. I'll communicate that to the team | 22:08 |
armax | only fixes to catastrophic issues would be granted an RC exception by the release team at this point | 22:08 |
kevinbenton | armax: i think the DVR bug is catostrophic | 22:08 |
kevinbenton | doesn't it break all multi-node with HA? | 22:08 |
kevinbenton | mlavalle: ^^ | 22:08 |
armax | do we have a fix? | 22:08 |
ihrachys | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/497009/ | 22:08 |
mlavalle | we have a proposed fix | 22:08 |
armax | kevinbenton: it’s not catastrophic | 22:08 |
armax | it’s bad | 22:08 |
armax | but it’s not such that we release crap | 22:09 |
armax | are we sure that that fix doesn’t create N other bugs? | 22:09 |
kevinbenton | i don't understand, i don't think we can release if HA + DVR is broken | 22:10 |
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armax | no point in arguing if the patch is ready to land, we have today and tomorrow to cut an RC3 for neutron | 22:10 |
armax | alone | 22:10 |
armax | but we should hurry | 22:11 |
mlavalle | ok | 22:11 |
kevinbenton | ok | 22:11 |
armax | the last comment from swami doesn’t exude confidence | 22:11 |
armax | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1712412/comments/3 | 22:11 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1712412 in neutron "DVR external port setup fails with KeyError: 'host'" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Swaminathan Vasudevan (swaminathan-vasudevan) | 22:11 |
armax | did I drop? | 22:14 |
kevinbenton | armax: no | 22:14 |
kevinbenton | armax: i was just looking at the patch and bug | 22:14 |
kevinbenton | i need to get some more details from Swami but this looks okay | 22:14 |
armax | who else besides you can vet this patch? Brian seems out | 22:14 |
kevinbenton | i'll catch brian in the morning | 22:15 |
kevinbenton | ihrachys: he's not on PTO anymore is it? | 22:15 |
armax | what about https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1712728? | 22:15 |
kevinbenton | is he*? | 22:15 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1712728 in neutron "DVR: get_router_cidrs in dvr_edge_router not returning the centralized_floating_ip cidr" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Swaminathan Vasudevan (swaminathan-vasudevan) | 22:15 |
ihrachys | I think he still is | 22:15 |
ihrachys | sec | 22:15 |
mlavalle | he is | 22:15 |
armax | this is another issue stemming from the same aftermath? | 22:15 |
ihrachys | Monday he is back | 22:15 |
kevinbenton | armax: this is a bug with new functionality | 22:16 |
kevinbenton | armax: so i would be okay with back-porting later | 22:16 |
kevinbenton | centralized floating IPs with DVR is the new feature | 22:16 |
armax | both patches mention centralized floating IPs so it’s not clear | 22:17 |
kevinbenton | armax: the first patch we discussed is for a bug having side effects on old code paths | 22:17 |
armax | kevinbenton: I’d say we have 24 hours from now to put another release patch to release a neutron RC3 | 22:18 |
kevinbenton | armax: this other bug appears to just be leaving central floating IPs behind | 22:18 |
armax | after that dims at al are gonna yell at us | 22:18 |
kevinbenton | armax: which is bad, but the only time for central floating IPs is if they are using the new feature | 22:18 |
kevinbenton | mlavalle: would you be comfortable reviewing the fix as well once we get some more details from swami? | 22:19 |
mlavalle | kevinbenton: yes | 22:19 |
kevinbenton | mlavalle: ok, hopefully we can get that today, i see he just uploaded another patch so he might be around | 22:20 |
mlavalle | ok | 22:21 |
armax | kevinbenton: OK, I’ll keep an eye on it, and I’ll file a WIP patch to the releases repo to alert the release team | 22:21 |
kevinbenton | ok, anything else to discuss? | 22:23 |
kevinbenton | i think next week we can resume normal drivers meetings to figure out what Queens is going to look like | 22:23 |
mlavalle | not from me. let's focus on this | 22:23 |
kevinbenton | ok | 22:24 |
kevinbenton | amotoki is away anyway | 22:24 |
kevinbenton | ihrachys: any concerns from you/ | 22:24 |
kevinbenton | ? | 22:24 |
ihrachys | no | 22:24 |
* dims peeks | 22:24 | |
kevinbenton | dims: looks like we will have an RC3 for one bug fix | 22:24 |
dims | y kevinbenton . no worries | 22:25 |
armax | dims: we only summoned you to ask for forgiveness | 22:25 |
kevinbenton | dims: patch is up but we need a little time to review it | 22:25 |
kevinbenton | dims: hopefully in gate tomorrow at latest | 22:25 |
armax | dims: is taht right that tomorrow is the last useful day to get an RC? | 22:25 |
dims | armax : i'd say take your time, but let's checkpoint tomorrow evening | 22:26 |
kevinbenton | dims: ack, thanks | 22:26 |
armax | OK | 22:26 |
mlavalle | dims: that sounds better | 22:26 |
mlavalle | dims: thanks | 22:26 |
armax | thanks | 22:26 |
dims | kevinbenton : will need input from smcginnis and dhellmann too, we can do that tomorrow | 22:27 |
dims | armax : kevinbenton : which review should i watch? | 22:27 |
kevinbenton | dims: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/497009/ | 22:27 |
dims | thanks kevinbenton | 22:28 |
kevinbenton | ok, thanks everyone | 22:29 |
mlavalle | o/ | 22:29 |
armax | short meeting? | 22:29 |
kevinbenton | armax: yep | 22:29 |
armax | OK then | 22:29 |
kevinbenton | armax: unless you want to talk about anything else | 22:29 |
kevinbenton | i just dont' want to review any new feature related things this week | 22:29 |
armax | kevinbenton: you don’t want me to | 22:29 |
kevinbenton | armax: if it's release/pike focused, that's fine | 22:30 |
armax | nope | 22:30 |
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kevinbenton | ok | 22:31 |
kevinbenton | #endmeeting | 22:31 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Thu Aug 24 22:31:48 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:31 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2017/neutron_drivers.2017-08-24-22.02.html | 22:31 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2017/neutron_drivers.2017-08-24-22.02.txt | 22:31 |
ihrachys | gl with dvr fix | 22:31 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2017/neutron_drivers.2017-08-24-22.02.log.html | 22:31 |
ihrachys | o/ | 22:31 |
mlavalle | o/ | 22:32 |
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