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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Aug 10 00:01:24 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ekcs. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 00:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 00:01 |
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| ramineni_ | ekcs: hi | 00:01 |
| ekcs | hi all! hope everyone’s having a good week. | 00:01 |
| ekcs | hi ramineni_ | 00:01 |
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| ekcs | topics are here as usual: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/congress-meeting-topics | 00:02 |
| ekcs | please take a couple minutes to read/add/comment =) | 00:02 |
| ekcs | ok let’s move along then. | 00:04 |
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| ekcs | #topic RC1 | 00:04 |
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| ekcs | Pike RC1 is due today. | 00:04 |
| ekcs | dashboard RC1 has been released | 00:05 |
| ekcs | at this commit: https://github.com/openstack/congress-dashboard/commits/acc972d6563fb2b0a41cfa52f85088cbd9a23783 | 00:05 |
| ekcs | server RC1 release expected at this patch | 00:05 |
| ekcs | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/491954/ | 00:05 |
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| ekcs | several changes targeted for RC1 were aggregated patch because gate instability close to RC1 deadline makes it very hard to merge all changes separately. | 00:06 |
| ekcs | Certainly not ideal but it’s what we could do given the situation. | 00:06 |
| ekcs | The plan is to release once the patch merges. | 00:07 |
| ekcs | Please take a moment to look at the merge to see if you disagree with something. | 00:07 |
| ramineni_ | ekcs: is doc migration is done completely for all 3 projects | 00:07 |
| ramineni_ | Once this patch is merged | 00:08 |
| ekcs | ramineni_: I believe so. | 00:08 |
| ramineni_ | Ok | 00:08 |
| ekcs | some more work to come in re-enabling pbr autodoc in congress server. | 00:08 |
| ekcs | but that’s not totally necessary. | 00:09 |
| ramineni_ | Ohk ..got it | 00:09 |
| ekcs | On the patch I also added a change that skips over loading policy files which are not .yaml or .yml | 00:10 |
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| ekcs | as well as allowing a file load to fail and be skipped without crashing congress. | 00:10 |
| ramineni_ | Ya ..great .. | 00:11 |
| ekcs | thanks a lot for catching the problem. | 00:11 |
| ramineni_ | Hopefully the patch should merge now | 00:11 |
| ekcs | yea. it’s finally passed check, hopefully gate passes too. otherwise it’ll be a long wait =/ | 00:12 |
| ramineni_ | np :) | 00:12 |
| ekcs | took close to 3 hrs for the check jobs to be done on the current patch set. | 00:13 |
| ramineni_ | Ya .. I noticed too | 00:13 |
| ramineni_ | Did we get all targeted bugs in rc1 right or anything pending for rc2 | 00:14 |
| ekcs | I don’t see anything we need to do for RC2. do you see anything? | 00:15 |
| ramineni_ | Ok .. no ..just confirming | 00:16 |
| ekcs | yea I think the hope is RC1 will be final RC. unless we encounter a release blocking bug. | 00:16 |
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| ekcs | ok anything else on RC1? | 00:17 |
| ramineni_ | No | 00:17 |
| ekcs | alright then | 00:18 |
| ekcs | #topic PTG | 00:19 |
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| ekcs | I’ve started populating the planning etherpad. The idea right now is just to brainstorm and slap down things we may want to discuss. | 00:19 |
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| ekcs | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/congress-ptg-queens | 00:20 |
| ekcs | so everyone feel free to put down your thoughts in the next 1-2 weeks. | 00:20 |
| ekcs | another thing about the PTG is solutions for connecting remote attendees. | 00:21 |
| ekcs | If you have experience with solutions please suggest them on the planning etherpad =) | 00:22 |
| ekcs | any other thoughts about possibly PTG topics, conferencing solutions, or anything else about the PTG? | 00:24 |
| ramineni_ | I'll check and update the etherpad if any | 00:25 |
| ekcs | ok then =) | 00:26 |
| ekcs | #topic open discussion | 00:26 |
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| ekcs | We could talk about gate problems some more, or any other topics, or end early. | 00:27 |
| ramineni_ | ekcs: I'll be going on vacation next week .. so won't be attending next week meeting | 00:27 |
| ekcs | gotcha thanks for the heads up. | 00:27 |
| ramineni_ | Will catch up week later :) | 00:27 |
| ekcs | yups have a great vacay! | 00:28 |
| ramineni_ | Thanks ...on gate issues | 00:28 |
| ramineni_ | Did u see timeout issue after that too | 00:28 |
| ramineni_ | ? | 00:28 |
| ekcs | I think so but let me look again. | 00:29 |
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| ekcs | I saw the replica server not ready issue since fixing the problem of attempting to load RST as yaml. | 00:30 |
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| ekcs | http://logs.openstack.org/54/491954/3/check/gate-congress-dsvm-api-mysql-ubuntu-xenial/614afbb/testr_results.html.gz | 00:30 |
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| ekcs | that just happens from time to time. But seemed to me much more frequent as of late. | 00:31 |
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| ekcs | Now I’m checking the other patches I aggregated (which did not have the RST problem) | 00:31 |
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| ramineni_ | Ohk .. Should we can increase the timeout for ha job .. Or leave it for now | 00:32 |
| ramineni_ | As its final patch for release | 00:32 |
| ekcs | ok right so another patch I’m looking at had the Replica server not ready error too on two of the 4 dsvm tests. | 00:34 |
| ekcs | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/483665/ | 00:34 |
| ekcs | another dsvm just timed out on setup. | 00:34 |
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| ekcs | and all those things were pretty common past week or more. | 00:34 |
| ekcs | and also the one you filed a bug for: https://bugs.launchpad.net/congress/+bug/1703740 | 00:35 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1703740 in congress "gate failing occasionally with TestDseNode functions" [High,New] - Assigned to Anusha (anusha-iiitm) | 00:35 |
| ekcs | also seems to have been much more frequent past week or so. | 00:35 |
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| ramineni_ | Oohk .. py 35 job right | 00:35 |
| ekcs | I suspect both are related to high load on infra (but I’m not sure). | 00:36 |
| ramineni_ | Py35 job used to fail before too | 00:36 |
| ekcs | Also not sure why high load on infra would cause it and what we can do about it. | 00:36 |
| ramineni_ | I'll check on both things again ..if I find anything will update you | 00:37 |
| ekcs | yes, all these failures are ones we’ve seen, but they’ve all greatly increased in frequency. and also py27 has the same failures. | 00:37 |
| ekcs | right now we don’t really know why the failures occur at all, and also not whether/why they are related to higher infra work load. | 00:37 |
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| ramineni_ | Ya ..I'll dig a bit on failures and let you know if I find anything | 00:38 |
| ekcs | yea… hopefully we figure it out at some point. we can kind of ignore it most of the time but when it gets bad it’s a real problem. | 00:38 |
| ekcs | great thanks lots! | 00:38 |
| ekcs | anything else to talk about? | 00:39 |
| ramineni_ | No ..none from my side | 00:39 |
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| ekcs | alright then let’s end meeting =) | 00:39 |
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| ekcs | I’ll be on #congress if someone wants to reach me. | 00:40 |
| ramineni_ | Have a great week ..bye | 00:40 |
| ekcs | you too see you later! | 00:40 |
| ekcs | #endmeeting | 00:40 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Aug 10 00:40:32 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 00:40 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2017/congressteammeeting.2017-08-10-00.01.html | 00:40 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2017/congressteammeeting.2017-08-10-00.01.txt | 00:40 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2017/congressteammeeting.2017-08-10-00.01.log.html | 00:40 |
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| zhenguo | #startmeeting mogan | 02:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Aug 10 02:00:36 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is zhenguo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 02:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 02:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: mogan)" | 02:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'mogan' | 02:00 |
| zhenguo | liusheng, shaohe_feng, wanghao, litao__, Xinran, zhangyang: o/ | 02:01 |
| liusheng | o/ | 02:01 |
| litao__ | 0/ | 02:01 |
| zhenguo | as always, the agenda: | 02:02 |
| zhenguo | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Mogan#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 02:02 |
| zhenguo | #topic announcements and reminders | 02:03 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to "announcements and reminders (Meeting topic: mogan)" | 02:03 | |
| zhenguo | PTL Voting is now open, but seems we only have one candidacy, so I will continue to run the PTL for next cycle, thanks all! | 02:03 |
| litao__ | zhenguo: congratulation | 02:03 |
| liusheng | congrats! | 02:03 |
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| liusheng | hah | 02:04 |
| zhenguo | thanks, hah | 02:04 |
| zhenguo | Fo the keyword of our CLI, I would like to get everyone's consensus instead of voting. | 02:04 |
| zhenguo | Personally, I would like to keep the 'baremetal' but add another workd to indicate it's mogan | 02:05 |
| zhenguo | like 'baremetal-compute', 'baremetal compute', or something like that | 02:05 |
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| zhenguo | as there's autocomplete support in openstack CLI, so make the keyword a bit long seems doesn't matter, wdyt? | 02:06 |
| litao__ | or baremetalcompute? | 02:06 |
| zhenguo | litao__: yes | 02:06 |
| zhenguo | litao__: a good alternative :D | 02:07 |
| litao__ | zhenguo: hah | 02:07 |
| zhenguo | seems only we 3 here, let's wait for others suggestions later | 02:08 |
| litao__ | ok | 02:08 |
| zhenguo | I plan to get rid of the default availability zone to avoid confusions when scheduling, operators should define it well | 02:08 |
| zhenguo | any concerns about this? | 02:09 |
| litao__ | zhenguo: you mean the user must specify az when creating a server? | 02:09 |
| zhenguo | litao__: no | 02:09 |
| zhenguo | litao__: when you dont' sepcify, the server's availablity_zone will be None | 02:09 |
| Xinran | o/ | 02:10 |
| zhenguo | litao__: instead of a default one | 02:10 |
| zhenguo | Xinran: o/ | 02:10 |
| litao__ | zhenguo: If a sever is not in a az, how to search it by az filter? | 02:11 |
| zhenguo | litao__: we have a az filter? | 02:12 |
| zhenguo | litao__: seems we don't support that as a filter now | 02:13 |
| litao__ | zhenguo: If not, what is az for specifying az | 02:13 |
| shaohe_feng | zhenguo: hi | 02:14 |
| zhenguo | litao__; az is an aggregate for us | 02:14 |
| zhenguo | shaohe_feng: o/ | 02:14 |
| shaohe_feng | zhenguo: In another meeting. will call you for sync. | 02:14 |
| shaohe_feng | zhenguo: sorry. | 02:14 |
| zhenguo | sahohe_feng: ok, np | 02:14 |
| liusheng | maybe we can treat the "default" az as None now | 02:15 |
| zhenguo | when scheduling? | 02:16 |
| liusheng | yes | 02:16 |
| zhenguo | but we don't have an aggregate for None | 02:16 |
| litao__ | liusheng: Now the az is not used for scheduling , right? | 02:17 |
| liusheng | zhenguo: no, I mean we removed the defaut az now, but the action when scheduling is similar | 02:17 |
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| zhenguo | so if users don't specify az, we don't add az filter when getting rps | 02:18 |
| zhenguo | the node may in any az | 02:18 |
| liusheng | zhenguo: both are defaultly to freely select a node | 02:18 |
| zhenguo | should we seet the az back to server or just leave it None | 02:18 |
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| liusheng | I think it should depend on the actual usages | 02:19 |
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| zhenguo | or we keep the default az | 02:20 |
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| liusheng | it is ok to leave it None I think | 02:21 |
| zhenguo | so if users don't specify it, the server availability zone is None | 02:22 |
| zhenguo | and we don't consider it when scheduling? | 02:22 |
| zhenguo | but the node will actually be in another az | 02:22 |
| liusheng | yes, we just ignore the az query filter | 02:22 |
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| zhenguo | so, it's really confused if the node in another az | 02:23 |
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| zhenguo | if we don't specify aggregate filters, it will get all nodes in different azs | 02:23 |
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| liusheng | hmm.. so isn't it the users want when no az specified ? | 02:24 |
| zhenguo | not sure what default az is defined for | 02:25 |
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| zhenguo | anyonw knows how nova handle this? | 02:26 |
| liusheng | mybe just to give a default choice where to place the usr's server | 02:26 |
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| zhenguo | seems nova has a default schedule az | 02:26 |
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| litao__ | Yes, nova has its default az | 02:28 |
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| zhenguo | litao__: default az and default scheule az, right? | 02:28 |
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| litao__ | zhenguo: what is default schedule az？ | 02:29 |
| liusheng | zhenguo: seems yes | 02:29 |
| zhenguo | litao__: another option | 02:29 |
| litao__ | zhenguo: yes | 02:30 |
| litao__ | liusheng: How to use az for selecting nodes in mogan cu rrently? | 02:30 |
| litao__ | liusheng: I see mogan ignore the az | 02:31 |
| liusheng | litao__: currently, we ignore it | 02:31 |
| zhenguo | not az filter suport yet | 02:31 |
| liusheng | litao__: yes, and zhenguo is working on that | 02:31 |
| litao__ | got it | 02:31 |
| zhenguo | yes, that's why I want to get rid of default az | 02:31 |
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| litao__ | zhenguo: If we drop default az, would scheduler select a az randomly? | 02:33 |
| zhenguo | litao__: yes | 02:33 |
| zhenguo | litao__: then, if users don't specify az, the node can be in any az | 02:34 |
| zhenguo | litao__: or it would be None | 02:34 |
| liusheng | zhenguo: the default_availability_zone is used for nova-compute to determine which az the nova-compute belong to | 02:34 |
| zhenguo | liusheng: but we don't have that | 02:35 |
| litao__ | zhenguo: It is not under control, so is it good for user? | 02:35 |
| liusheng | zhenguo: the default_schedule_zone is for server scheduling, to determine which az the server will be place to if no az specified | 02:35 |
| liusheng | zhenguo: and az is a limitation for migration | 02:36 |
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| zhenguo | but we don't have a way to make a node in the default az :( | 02:36 |
| zhenguo | litao__: not sure, or maybe if user dont's specify the az, we just use default az to filter nodes, then got error if operators didn't set the aggregate | 02:37 |
| liusheng | zhenguo: by aggregate metadata ? | 02:38 |
| zhenguo | liusheng: who will set that | 02:38 |
| liusheng | openstack: operators or deployers | 02:38 |
| zhenguo | liusheng: so if they are not set it, we will fail it | 02:38 |
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| liusheng | zhenguo: in nova the default_schedule_zone is None defaultly, and all hosts can pass | 02:40 |
| zhenguo | so our default az is not nova's default az, it's more like default scheduling az | 02:40 |
| zhenguo | we can follow the default_schedule_zone defination | 02:41 |
| zhenguo | liusheng: so, in nova, if you don't specify the az when claiming a server ,the instance.availability_zone will be None, right? | 02:42 |
| litao__ | [stack@devstack ~]$ nova aggregate-list | 02:42 |
| litao__ | +----+------+-------------------+------+ | 02:42 |
| litao__ | | Id | Name | Availability Zone | UUID | | 02:42 |
| litao__ | +----+------+-------------------+------+ | 02:42 |
| litao__ | +----+------+-------------------+------+ | 02:42 |
| litao__ | [stack@devstack ~]$ nova availability-zone-list | 02:42 |
| litao__ | +-------------------------+----------------------------------------+ | 02:42 |
| litao__ | | Name | Status | | 02:42 |
| litao__ | +-------------------------+----------------------------------------+ | 02:42 |
| zhenguo | instead of setting by really az | 02:42 |
| litao__ | | internal | available | | 02:42 |
| litao__ | | |- devstack.localdomain | | | 02:42 |
| litao__ | | | |- nova-conductor | enabled :-) 2017-08-10T02:41:54.000000 | | 02:42 |
| liusheng | zhenguo: yes if the default_schedule_zone didn't configured | 02:43 |
| zhenguo | liusheng: so, it's not set with default az, right? | 02:43 |
| zhenguo | liusheng: and it can be node in any az, but not set back to the instance | 02:44 |
| liusheng | zhenguo: no, default az is only for nova-compute, default scheduler az is for schelding | 02:44 |
| liusheng | zhenguo: i don't think so, if set the nova-compute's az back to server, the server will be limitted to this az in migration | 02:45 |
| zhenguo | liusheng: yes, I know, I mean the scheduled host must be in one az as there's default az | 02:45 |
| zhenguo | so we can follow nova | 02:46 |
| zhenguo | we changed to use default schedule zone option | 02:46 |
| liusheng | default_schedule_zone | 02:46 |
| liusheng | Possible values: | 02:46 |
| liusheng | * Any string representing an existing availability zone name. | 02:46 |
| liusheng | * None, which means that the instance can move from one availability zone to | 02:46 |
| liusheng | another during its lifetime if it is moved from one compute node to another. | 02:46 |
| zhenguo | which default to None | 02:46 |
| liusheng | default_schedule_zone | 02:46 |
| zhenguo | ok | 02:46 |
| zhenguo | so we will replace our default_availabilty_zone with default_schedule_zone | 02:47 |
| zhenguo | oh, sorry, seems not much time left :( | 02:47 |
| liusheng | hah | 02:47 |
| zhenguo | hah, let's move on and continue to discuss this later | 02:47 |
| zhenguo | #topic task tracking | 02:48 |
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| zhenguo | #links https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/MoganWhiteBoard | 02:48 |
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| zhenguo | looks like things are moving along nicely | 02:49 |
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| zhenguo | wanghao: please add boot from volume task there when you are online, thanks | 02:50 |
| zhenguo | liusheng, litao__: anything else want to talk here? | 02:51 |
| liusheng | liusheng: server group feature is almost done :) | 02:51 |
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| zhenguo | liusheng: awesome, hah | 02:52 |
| litao__ | zhenguo: I am refactor the codes according to your reviews | 02:52 |
| zhenguo | litao__: cool | 02:52 |
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| wanghao | zhenguo: sure, sorroy I can't attend the meeting, I must test some internal task. | 02:52 |
| zhenguo | liusheng: need to add server group support when claiming servers when aggregates one finished | 02:53 |
| liusheng | zhenguo: :), will push some client patches, place take a look if you get time | 02:53 |
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| zhenguo | wanghao: ok, np | 02:53 |
| liusheng | zhenguo: sure | 02:53 |
| zhenguo | liusheng: ok, I will | 02:53 |
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| liusheng | thanks | 02:54 |
| zhenguo | seems aggregates stuff is almost done, only two patches up for review | 02:54 |
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| liusheng | ok, will review | 02:55 |
| zhenguo | liusheng: thanks | 02:55 |
| zhenguo | 5 mins left, let's move to next topic | 02:56 |
| zhenguo | #topic open discussion | 02:56 |
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| zhenguo | liusheng, litao__: let's continue the default scheulde zone here, hah | 02:56 |
| zhenguo | I think it's ok to just keep one default schedule zone option in mogan | 02:56 |
| zhenguo | default to None, and we will skip it when filtering | 02:56 |
| litao__ | I aggree | 02:57 |
| zhenguo | and the server availability zone filed will be the option | 02:57 |
| zhenguo | default to None | 02:57 |
| zhenguo | regardless of which az the node in | 02:57 |
| liusheng | sounds reasonable | 02:57 |
| zhenguo | ok, I will update the patch | 02:58 |
| zhenguo | anything else? | 02:58 |
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| zhenguo | thanks all for joinning the meeting! | 02:59 |
| liusheng | bye | 02:59 |
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| zhenguo | #endmeeting | 02:59 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mogan/2017/mogan.2017-08-10-02.00.html | 02:59 |
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| ianychoi | Hello, anyone for I18n meeting today? | 07:00 |
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| eumel8 | yes! | 07:01 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, hello :) | 07:02 |
| eumel8 | good morning, ianychoi | 07:02 |
| eumel8 | just arrived the office... | 07:02 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, good morning :) Here is afternoon haha | 07:03 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, take your time - let's wait for a few minutes.. | 07:03 |
| eumel8 | some few hours ... this week runs so fast! | 07:03 |
| ianychoi | A u conflicting with other meeting schedule(s) now? | 07:04 |
| eumel8 | no | 07:04 |
| ianychoi | Aha I meant today meeting start time | 07:04 |
| eumel8 | was only late yesterday evening to migrate some stuff | 07:05 |
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| ianychoi | Aha | 07:05 |
| ianychoi | OR let's start and finish today meeting early if possible - I need to do another thing.. | 07:06 |
| eumel8 | sure | 07:06 |
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| ianychoi | #startmeeting OpenStack I18n Meeting | 07:07 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Aug 10 07:07:39 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ianychoi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 07:07 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 07:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: OpenStack I18n Meeting)" | 07:07 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_i18n_meeting' | 07:07 |
| ianychoi | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/I18nTeamMeeting#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 07:07 |
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| ianychoi | #topic neutron-vpnaas-dashboard translation imports | 07:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "neutron-vpnaas-dashboard translation imports (Meeting topic: OpenStack I18n Meeting)" | 07:08 | |
| ianychoi | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/491201/ | 07:08 |
| ianychoi | Does any language team want to update fuzzy and untranslated strings? | 07:08 |
| ianychoi | => This is the saying from amotoki :) Maybe I will look at Korean parts. | 07:09 |
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| eumel8 | we have a good progress in de | 07:09 |
| eumel8 | I don't know what are the fuzzy messages | 07:10 |
| ianychoi | For Zanata support in unofficial projects, I am not sure - how do you think about it, eumel8 ? | 07:10 |
| ianychoi | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/491201/2/neutron_vpnaas_dashboard/locale/de/LC_MESSAGES/django.po@444 | 07:10 |
| ianychoi | This is a fuzzy string. | 07:11 |
| eumel8 | normaly I didn't used it | 07:11 |
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| ianychoi | I also do not use fuzzy marking | 07:12 |
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| ianychoi | My question is that would it be better if Zanata embraces unofficial projects? From my perspective, I am fine if the initiator does all support details and keeps updating to I18n team. | 07:14 |
| eumel8 | +2 :) | 07:14 |
| ianychoi | If the idea looks fine, then PTL or infra-I18n liaison needs to discuss it with infra team | 07:15 |
| eumel8 | so, nothing todo in 491201? | 07:16 |
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| ianychoi | eumel8, hmm maybe we need to discuss with amotoki but my understanding from 491201 is that 1) we can find the original string in Zanata from other projects, change translated strings and tell to amotoki OR 2) directly change in 491201 | 07:17 |
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| ianychoi | This is what translators can support 491201 now | 07:17 |
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| eumel8 | the count of fuzzy translations is similar in different languages | 07:19 |
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| ianychoi | Hmm, I am not sure how he imported from current Zanata official projects | 07:19 |
| eumel8 | I would merge it as-is | 07:20 |
| eumel8 | as amotoki mentioned as a valid option | 07:21 |
| ianychoi | Okay :) | 07:21 |
| ianychoi | #topic is it a good way or bad? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/490979/ | 07:22 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "is it a good way or bad? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/490979/ (Meeting topic: OpenStack I18n Meeting)" | 07:22 | |
| ianychoi | eumel8, would you review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/490979/ ? | 07:22 |
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| eumel8 | yes, I saw your comments already but I haven't my own opinion | 07:25 |
| eumel8 | in general I think we're fine with this | 07:26 |
| ianychoi | One worry is that I don't want that future PTLs should submit the list of ATCs into I18n contributor guide. | 07:26 |
| eumel8 | that's true | 07:27 |
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| eumel8 | how often we need the automatic sync? | 07:31 |
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| ianychoi | eumel8, about 6 months (around 3/4 period in every release - before extra ATC deadline) | 07:37 |
| eumel8 | okay, then we have to plan it but no prior for now | 07:37 |
| ianychoi | Okay :) | 07:39 |
| ianychoi | #topic I18n-infra syncup | 07:39 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "I18n-infra syncup (Meeting topic: OpenStack I18n Meeting)" | 07:39 | |
| eumel8 | have it in my calendar now. maybe amotoki has some ideas | 07:39 |
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| ianychoi | Did you see my message on the last Friday or Thursday? | 07:39 |
| ianychoi | I briefly talked with Clark | 07:40 |
| eumel8 | oh yes | 07:40 |
| eumel8 | but I didn't understood his opinions. We had already that topic in the infra team meeting and our proposal is now on the table | 07:41 |
| eumel8 | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/487936/ | 07:41 |
| ianychoi | At that time, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/487936/ was not prepared AFAIK right? | 07:43 |
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| eumel8 | it was already there and I added Clark as reviewer before | 07:45 |
| eumel8 | maybe it's still under radar | 07:45 |
| ianychoi | Hmm | 07:45 |
| ianychoi | From my understanding, he is finding volunteer who will deploy translate checksite using the script | 07:46 |
| eumel8 | ok | 07:46 |
| eumel8 | that's on a good way ;) | 07:47 |
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| ianychoi | And to find the volunteer, Clark asked I18n team to write current status and action items into Etherpad | 07:48 |
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| eumel8 | Can you send the link again, please? | 07:48 |
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| ianychoi | (Finding now..) | 07:49 |
| ianychoi | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/%23openstack-infra/%23openstack-infra.2017-08-03.log.html#t2017-08-03T15:35:34 | 07:50 |
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| ianychoi | Oh I was confused with two things - Etherpad summary is needed for openstackid issue and for translate checksite I think you can give your voice to infra meeting | 07:51 |
| eumel8 | maybe I have to talk to Andy again or searching in the OSA ci/cd. From my small understanding there is already a job that builds a translation check service. But I'm not sure. | 07:53 |
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| eumel8 | maybe also a topic for the PTG in 4 weeks | 07:53 |
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| ianychoi | #topic open discussions | 07:54 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussions (Meeting topic: OpenStack I18n Meeting)" | 07:54 | |
| ianychoi | Will you attend to PTG? | 07:54 |
| ianychoi | For me, really unfortunately, I could not attend to Denver PTG | 07:54 |
| eumel8 | Don't know. It's a whole week on my own costs. | 07:55 |
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| ianychoi | Hmm, didn't I send PTG travel support application to you? | 07:56 |
| ianychoi | PTL surely has higher priority to get travel support | 07:56 |
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| eumel8 | but if there are some task to work for me there then I would attend. | 07:57 |
| eumel8 | I think it's not so expensive like Boston | 07:57 |
| ianychoi | Aha.. | 07:57 |
| ianychoi | There are some issues | 07:57 |
| ianychoi | 1) Translation support for migrated documents | 07:57 |
| ianychoi | 2) Zanata upgrade to 4.x | 07:58 |
| ianychoi | 3) Translate checksite landing | 07:58 |
| ianychoi | 4) Auto sync of ATC status | 07:58 |
| ianychoi | 5) i18n-policy governance tag | 07:58 |
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| ianychoi | 6) Translation support for unofficial projects | 07:58 |
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| ianychoi | And.. I am not sure, but maybe there will be some Telecom WG discussions during PTG? | 07:59 |
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| ianychoi | Time is almost up.. | 07:59 |
| eumel8 | most topics relates to the infra team. will see how their agenda is filled | 07:59 |
| eumel8 | yes | 07:59 |
| eumel8 | I have the next meeting now :) | 08:00 |
| ianychoi | CONGRATS, eumel8 for Queens cycle I18n PTL :) | 08:00 |
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| ianychoi | Thanks a lot, eumel8 for today meeting participation | 08:00 |
| ianychoi | #endmeeting | 08:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 08:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Aug 10 08:00:30 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 08:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2017/openstack_i18n_meeting.2017-08-10-07.07.html | 08:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2017/openstack_i18n_meeting.2017-08-10-07.07.txt | 08:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2017/openstack_i18n_meeting.2017-08-10-07.07.log.html | 08:00 |
| gmann | #startmeeting qa | 08:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Aug 10 08:00:42 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gmann. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 08:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 08:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: qa)" | 08:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'qa' | 08:00 |
| eumel8 | thx ianychoi. have a nice evening :) | 08:00 |
| gmann | who all here today? | 08:00 |
| ianychoi | :) (sorry qa team) | 08:01 |
| masayukig | o/ | 08:01 |
| masayukig | ianychoi: np :) | 08:01 |
| gmann | ianychoi: you are welcome here too :) | 08:01 |
| zhufl | hello | 08:01 |
| masayukig | heh | 08:01 |
| blancos | o/ | 08:01 |
| ianychoi | gmann, oh then o/ :) | 08:01 |
| gmann | let's wait for min to join more people | 08:01 |
| masayukig | gmann: +1 | 08:02 |
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| gmann | masayukig: its holiday for you too from today? | 08:03 |
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| masayukig | gmann: nope, it's from tomorrow :) | 08:03 |
| gmann | ohk | 08:04 |
| gmann | let's start | 08:04 |
| gmann | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/QATeamMeeting#Agenda_for_August_10th_2017_.280800_UTC.29 | 08:04 |
| gmann | ^^ today agenda | 08:04 |
| gmann | #topic Previous Meeting Action review | 08:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Previous Meeting Action review (Meeting topic: qa)" | 08:04 | |
| gmann | #action gmann to send ML for upcoming removal of deprecated interfaces and its affect on stable branches | 08:05 |
| gmann | i have done done it yet, i am collecting all plugins using those decorator and send send mail to them | 08:05 |
| gmann | i should be doing it on monday at max | 08:05 |
| gmann | #topic PTG | 08:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "PTG (Meeting topic: qa)" | 08:05 | |
| gmann | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/qa-queens-ptg | 08:06 |
| gmann | help hours idea seems good progress but we need more sessions proposal for discussion | 08:06 |
| gmann | if anyone have any write those to etherpad | 08:07 |
| gmann | masayukig: zhufl blancos what s status for you guys for PTG availability? | 08:07 |
| blancos | I won't be going ): But felipemonteiro will be there | 08:08 |
| masayukig | gmann: I could get the budget, eventually :) | 08:08 |
| zhufl | gmann: I am trying to take back my passport:( | 08:08 |
| gmann | blancos: i see. that's good that felipe can join | 08:08 |
| gmann | masayukig: ohh | 08:08 |
| gmann | zhufl: still in process state? | 08:08 |
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| zhufl | gmann: yeah | 08:09 |
| gmann | masayukig: that is good news | 08:09 |
| * masayukig nods | 08:09 | |
| gmann | zhufl: oh, that's not good | 08:09 |
| zhufl | gmann: half a year passed:) | 08:09 |
| gmann | zhufl: hummm, can you ask them either reject it or approve it :) | 08:10 |
| zhufl | gmann: yeah I am trying that:) | 08:10 |
| masayukig | zhufl: oh.. | 08:10 |
| gmann | anyways let's add proposal ideas on etherpad as almost month left for PTG | 08:10 |
| gmann | #topic Gate Stability | 08:11 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Gate Stability (Meeting topic: qa)" | 08:11 | |
| masayukig | gmann: yeah, I'll do that after the summer vacation | 08:11 |
| gmann | masayukig: +1 | 08:11 |
| gmann | anything on gate from anyone. its stable as of now | 08:11 |
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| gmann | #topic Specs Reviews | 08:12 |
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| gmann | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/qa-specs,n,z | 08:13 |
| gmann | ^^ current spec | 08:13 |
| gmann | i have reviewed HA one #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/443504/ | 08:13 |
| gmann | it is close as first spec and after that we will have detail design spec | 08:14 |
| gmann | samP is in mexico for ops meeting, and updated about feedback he is getting from there on destructive testing | 08:15 |
| gmann | after that he will update spec accordingly | 08:15 |
| masayukig | nice | 08:15 |
| gmann | another spec we need to review before PTG is patrole one | 08:16 |
| gmann | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/461140/ | 08:16 |
| gmann | based on that we can discuss it f2f if needed | 08:16 |
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| gmann | feel free to push spec for sessions if anything you want to discuss in PTG | 08:17 |
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| gmann | anything else to discuss on spec? | 08:18 |
| gmann | let's move then | 08:18 |
| gmann | #topic Tempest | 08:18 |
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| gmann | Test.py as stable | 08:19 |
| gmann | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tempest-test-module-stable | 08:19 |
| gmann | ^^ etherpad for things to make test.py stable | 08:19 |
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| gmann | andreaf replied on my concern there and its all are in good shape now | 08:20 |
| zhufl | can CONF be used in test.py in the future? | 08:20 |
| gmann | i think only thing i want to check is extensions decorator | 08:21 |
| gmann | zhufl: it will be there from now itself as it has dependency on CONF | 08:21 |
| gmann | zhufl: its not possible to remove dependency of CONF from it. it will be huge change | 08:22 |
| zhufl | gmann: I think so too:) | 08:22 |
| gmann | zhufl: so it ok to have CONF there and not move into /lib but declare it as stable interface from current location | 08:22 |
| zhufl | gmann: nice | 08:22 |
| gmann | making them stable means adding test.py in https://docs.openstack.org/tempest/latest/plugin.html | 08:23 |
| masayukig | gmann: will you discuss this thing in the PTG? or we don't need that? | 08:23 |
| zhufl | gmann: oh, i c | 08:23 |
| gmann | and publish it as stable | 08:23 |
| gmann | masayukig: we can discuss if we have any concern on those otherwise its good to go. i think andreaf can finish it before PTG itself :) | 08:24 |
| gmann | but one thing to note is once we declare it as stable we need to treat it as /lib files and we cannot modify | 08:25 |
| gmann | so now only we can try to shrink it as much as possible | 08:25 |
| masayukig | gmann: sounds nice about finishing it :) | 08:25 |
| gmann | if you have more ideas or any concern feel free to comment on that etherpad | 08:25 |
| zhufl | gmann: cannot modify? or modify with a reno? | 08:26 |
| gmann | zhufl: no, we need to maintain the backward compatibility there like stable interface inside /lib/* | 08:26 |
| zhufl | gmann: oh | 08:26 |
| gmann | if anything needs to be change that has to go with deprecation things | 08:27 |
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| masayukig | gmann: sure, I'll look at it and comment on it if I have that :) | 08:27 |
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| gmann | nice | 08:28 |
| gmann | next is Bug Triage: | 08:28 |
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| gmann | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/pike-qa-bug-triage | 08:29 |
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| gmann | it was chandankumar turn but he was busy with visa things last week so could not have much proress | 08:29 |
| gmann | currently we have 6 new bugs, let's try to make it 0 | 08:30 |
| gmann | next week is prateek trun. | 08:30 |
| gmann | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/tempest+status:open | 08:31 |
| masayukig | gmann: yeah, we can do it :) | 08:31 |
| gmann | ^^ these are current patches in tempest | 08:31 |
| gmann | masayukig: +1 | 08:31 |
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| gmann | keep the good review. | 08:32 |
| gmann | anything else on tempest side | 08:32 |
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| gmann | let's move next then | 08:33 |
| gmann | #topic Patrole | 08:33 |
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| gmann | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/patrole | 08:33 |
| gmann | blancos: take the control | 08:34 |
| blancos | There's not much to report right now | 08:34 |
| blancos | I believe Felipe added a few things to the PTG etherpad to talk about in Denver | 08:34 |
| gmann | what is next or current things in patrole, keep adding the remaining tests? | 08:34 |
| blancos | We have a few more tests we're adding, currently working on adding more things to a stable interface, and cleaning up code | 08:35 |
| blancos | Next big steps will come after current open spec reviews are reviewed and merged | 08:35 |
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| gmann | nice | 08:35 |
| gmann | i have many people in my company mainly openstack SI team and they are interesting to contribute, i asked them to check the patrole | 08:36 |
| masayukig | nice | 08:36 |
| blancos | gmann That would be great :) | 08:36 |
| martinkopec | :q | 08:37 |
| gmann | i will discuss with flelipe where they can help | 08:37 |
| gmann | in PTG | 08:37 |
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| gmann | they would not be full time so i do not want to have any ownership of things on them but yea they can help on ongoing effort for sure | 08:37 |
| gmann | #link Critical Reviews | 08:38 |
| gmann | blancos: anyways can you check this https://review.openstack.org/#/c/491679/ | 08:39 |
| gmann | i do not have other critical review as of now | 08:39 |
| gmann | anyone has reviews which need more reviews and speedy way | 08:39 |
| gmann | i saw andreaf pushing many patches for test.py stable | 08:40 |
| gmann | its good series to review | 08:40 |
| gmann | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/tempest+branch:master+topic:test_module_stable | 08:40 |
| gmann | #topic Open Discussion | 08:41 |
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| gmann | anything more to discuss | 08:41 |
| zhufl | Gate seems not working well now | 08:42 |
| gmann | zhufl: oh | 08:42 |
| chandankumar | gmann: zhufl please have a look on this https://review.openstack.org/#/c/488497/ | 08:42 |
| gmann | zhufl: what is failing | 08:42 |
| gmann | its seems stable branches | 08:43 |
| masayukig | too long queue? | 08:43 |
| gmann | not stable one | 08:43 |
| zhufl | gmann: masayukig: yeah, maybe | 08:43 |
| zhufl | chandankumar: ok | 08:44 |
| gmann | zhufl: same failure on multiple patches ? | 08:44 |
| gmann | i did find, i think its randome | 08:45 |
| zhufl | gmann: seems not exactly name failure | 08:45 |
| gmann | but let's monitor the gate carefully as it is rc time and very critical | 08:45 |
| gmann | may be we can check this a very first things in morning. | 08:46 |
| gmann | till Pike is released | 08:46 |
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| masayukig | yeah | 08:47 |
| gmann | anything else form anyone. | 08:47 |
| andreaf | o/ | 08:47 |
| gmann | andreaf: hi, we are almost done :) | 08:47 |
| andreaf | sry I'm late | 08:47 |
| * masayukig is waving | 08:47 | |
| gmann | andreaf: last things we were discussing about gate and keep it monitor daily til Pike is released | 08:48 |
| zhufl | andreaf: nice to see you:) | 08:48 |
| andreaf | zhufl o/ nice to see you | 08:48 |
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| gmann | andreaf: to keep release smooth and on time | 08:48 |
| andreaf | gmann: yeah we have to fee nodes | 08:48 |
| andreaf | so there's going to be backlog building up | 08:48 |
| andreaf | also I think some network issues in the infra vanilla cloud where being investigated | 08:49 |
| gmann | ok | 08:49 |
| andreaf | I hope to see as many of you as possible in Denver! :) | 08:50 |
| masayukig | \o/ | 08:50 |
| gmann | yea | 08:50 |
| andreaf | blancos: sry you won't be there | 08:51 |
| andreaf | zhufl: hopefully you'll get your visa in time! | 08:51 |
| zhufl | andreaf: wish so:) | 08:51 |
| gmann | yea | 08:51 |
| gmann | anything else from anyone | 08:52 |
| andreaf | BTW thanks all for contributions on https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/qa-queens-ptg - there is still time to add new ideas in there | 08:52 |
| gmann | +1 | 08:53 |
| gmann | last but not the least. let's congrat andreaf for his second term as PTL ! | 08:53 |
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| zhufl | congrats! | 08:54 |
| masayukig | yeah!!! congrats!!! | 08:54 |
| andreaf | gmann: thanks :) it's my honour to serve you all | 08:55 |
| zhufl | happy to be working with such a team and such a leader:) | 08:55 |
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| gmann | zhufl: yup | 08:56 |
| masayukig | zhufl: +1 | 08:56 |
| gmann | if nothing else, let's close the meeting | 08:56 |
| gmann | 3 ... | 08:56 |
| gmann | 2 .. | 08:56 |
| gmann | 1 . | 08:56 |
| masayukig | thanks all | 08:56 |
| gmann | #endmeeting | 08:56 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Aug 10 08:56:54 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 08:56 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2017/qa.2017-08-10-08.00.html | 08:56 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2017/qa.2017-08-10-08.00.txt | 08:56 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2017/qa.2017-08-10-08.00.log.html | 08:56 |
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| mriedem | #startmeeting nova | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Aug 10 14:00:33 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mriedem. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova' | 14:00 |
| cdent | o- | 14:00 |
| efried | \o | 14:00 |
| takashin | o/ | 14:00 |
| edmondsw | o/ | 14:01 |
| gibi | o/ | 14:01 |
| edleafe | \o | 14:01 |
| mriedem | alright, | 14:02 |
| bauzas | \o | 14:02 |
| mriedem | #link agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Nova | 14:02 |
| mriedem | #topic release news | 14:02 |
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| mriedem | #link Pike release schedule: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/Pike_Release_Schedule | 14:02 |
| mriedem | #info August 10 (today) is Pike RC1 | 14:02 |
| mriedem | there is one change i'm tracking before we cut rc1 | 14:02 |
| mriedem | #link tracking https://review.openstack.org/#/c/491012/ for rc1 | 14:02 |
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| bauzas | on it | 14:03 |
| mriedem | check queue is at 6 hours | 14:03 |
| mriedem | there are some other changes i'm watching too and rechecking, but that's the main one | 14:03 |
| mriedem | i can put those all at the top of the etherpad after the meeting | 14:04 |
| mriedem | #action to summarize which changes we're watching for rc1 in the etherpad at the top | 14:04 |
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| mriedem | #info Blueprints: 50 targeted, 50 approved, 49 completed (+3 from last week) | 14:04 |
| mriedem | the only one not marked completed yet is the doc migration one, | 14:04 |
| mriedem | but i think we can probably mark that complete at any point since most stuff has moved over | 14:04 |
| mriedem | sdague: or did you have a definite end state? | 14:04 |
| mriedem | ok sdague and bauzas are still busy i guess | 14:05 |
| mriedem | #link Pike RC1 TODO etherpad: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nova-pike-release-candidate-todo | 14:05 |
| mriedem | anyone have anything they want to mention for the release? | 14:06 |
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| sdague | yes, the manual imports | 14:06 |
| sdague | we really want to do those before the pike branch, otherwise we just don't have them in pike | 14:07 |
| mriedem | sdague: so all of https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/doc-migration+status:open+project:openstack/nova ? | 14:07 |
| mriedem | today? | 14:07 |
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| mriedem | they won't be in the pike branch, but the docs will be generated and published to latest from master which is what i think most people are looking at | 14:07 |
| sdague | except they all cross link | 14:08 |
| sdague | so, minimally you want to get to here - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/491853 | 14:08 |
| * bauzas notes | 14:08 | |
| sdague | people get sent to the install guide per release | 14:08 |
| sdague | but this is one docs tree now | 14:08 |
| sdague | so every link from the pike install guide will be to pike versions of all the rest of it | 14:08 |
| mriedem | ok i'll star that one then | 14:09 |
| mriedem | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/491853 is end goal for docs migration in pike | 14:09 |
| sdague | which, is it's own sort of issue called out here https://review.openstack.org/#/c/492124 | 14:09 |
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| sdague | and probably deserves a dedicated carve out at PTG to figure out the dust settling of all of this | 14:09 |
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| sdague | anyway, we can move on | 14:10 |
| mriedem | alright | 14:10 |
| mriedem | #topic bugs | 14:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "bugs (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:10 | |
| mriedem | nothing marked critical | 14:11 |
| mriedem | 0 untriaged right now | 14:11 |
| mriedem | there was one for live migration from the xen team last night | 14:11 |
| mriedem | but now i don't see it - must have been triaged, | 14:11 |
| mriedem | but it looked related to cells v2 | 14:11 |
| mriedem | sdague: did you happen to see ^ ? | 14:11 |
| mriedem | or did a bot take care of that? | 14:11 |
| bauzas | it's confirmed yeah | 14:11 |
| bauzas | https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1709594 | 14:11 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1709594 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "live-migration without '--block-migrate" failed with "No sql_connection parameter is established"" [High,Confirmed] | 14:11 |
| sdague | mriedem: I confirmed it and put it under xenserver cellsv2 | 14:12 |
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| mriedem | hmm, ok, i'm just wondering if it's a pike-rc-potential | 14:13 |
| mriedem | since i don't know what would be different about this for xenserver | 14:13 |
| sdague | yeh, I don't know | 14:13 |
| mriedem | ok i'm going to tag it pike-rc-potential so we can investigate it for a possible rc2 | 14:14 |
| bauzas | oh, just saw someone forgot to put back the new state for https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1709236 | 14:14 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1709236 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "Live migration failed in openstack on xenserver" [Undecided,Incomplete] | 14:14 |
| bauzas | after replying | 14:14 |
| * bauzas likes BZ for that | 14:14 | |
| bauzas | by default it assumes you close your needinfo tag | 14:14 |
| bauzas | tl;dr: looks v2.34 regressed xen live-migration | 14:15 |
| mriedem | ok that was newton | 14:15 |
| mriedem | ... | 14:15 |
| sdague | yeh, if this goes back to newton as an issue, it's not an rc blocking bug | 14:16 |
| mriedem | right | 14:16 |
| bauzas | oh nevermind then | 14:16 |
| bauzas | I'll continue digging | 14:16 |
| mriedem | ok marked it confirmed, | 14:17 |
| mriedem | and added ocata and newton to it | 14:17 |
| mriedem | #info pike-rc-potential bugs: https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?field.tag=pike-rc-potential | 14:17 |
| mriedem | so we've got fixes in flight for 2 of those | 14:18 |
| mriedem | the ironic one from ed, i'd really like dansmith to be happy with that, but he's on vacation | 14:18 |
| mriedem | and that live migration one can be an rc2 candidate | 14:18 |
| mriedem | edleafe: dansmith asked about an ironic ci test that uses resource classes to test your healing change - i know dtantsur has a patch for that, but has there been a clean run? | 14:19 |
| mriedem | plus talk yesterday of disallowing people from changing a resource class on a node | 14:19 |
| bauzas | mriedem: plus https://review.openstack.org/#/c/491012/ right? | 14:19 |
| mriedem | bauzas: yes i expect that to be approved this morning | 14:19 |
| mriedem | or your french night | 14:19 |
| edleafe | mriedem: I know that dtantsur is still working on that patch | 14:19 |
| edleafe | mriedem: I can add something on top of that one | 14:20 |
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| mriedem | ok could talk about the ironic one later | 14:20 |
| mriedem | i haven't really been following it | 14:20 |
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| edleafe | mriedem: heh, the patch is about where it was over a week ago when the ironic people told me that operators could change resource_class on a node | 14:21 |
| bauzas | mriedem: yeah, on its way, just wanted to make sure we don't forget it :) | 14:21 |
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| mriedem | edleafe: ok i don't know if they are changing that as a bug fix in ironic or not | 14:21 |
| mriedem | but anyway, moving on | 14:21 |
| mriedem | gate status is ok-ish | 14:22 |
| mriedem | there are slow nodes from citycloud-lon1 causing job timeouts and other weirdness | 14:22 |
| mriedem | and the check queue is way backed up, as noted | 14:22 |
| edleafe | mriedem: they are. Don't know if it's just a doc change or what | 14:22 |
| mriedem | #topic reminders | 14:22 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "reminders (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:22 | |
| sdague | yeh, just plan for > 6 hrs to get check results back at this point | 14:22 |
| mriedem | #link Consider signing up for the Queens PTG which is the week of September 11 in Denver, CO, USA: https://www.openstack.org/ptg | 14:22 |
| mriedem | #link Pike PTG topics etherpad: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nova-ptg-queens | 14:22 |
| mriedem | sdague: ^ there is a section in there about docs, maybe add whatever you'd like to see discussed at the ptg | 14:23 |
| sdague | mriedem: will do | 14:23 |
| mriedem | i need to add something about consistent home pages for the various projects | 14:23 |
| mriedem | which i brought up in the ML | 14:23 |
| mriedem | and seemed to have general agreement | 14:23 |
| mriedem | #topic stable branch status | 14:25 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "stable branch status (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:25 | |
| mriedem | #link stable/ocata: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:stable/ocata,n,z | 14:25 |
| mriedem | #link stable/newton: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:stable/newton,n,z | 14:25 |
| mriedem | oodles of reviews on stable | 14:25 |
| mriedem | yet another thing i've been meaning to flush through | 14:25 |
| mriedem | will probably work on some of that today too | 14:25 |
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| mriedem | #topic subteam highlights | 14:26 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "subteam highlights (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:26 | |
| mriedem | no cells v2 meeting this week | 14:26 |
| mriedem | edleafe: scheduler stuff? | 14:26 |
| edleafe | Not much to talk about, with all the hullabaloo going on with the claims patches | 14:27 |
| edleafe | Clarified that shared resources will be not be a thing in Pike | 14:27 |
| edleafe | Jay had to deal with a lot of (literal) shit during the meeting | 14:27 |
| edleafe | EOM | 14:27 |
| edleafe | Jay agreed to document the specifics of what happens (re: placement) in each of the move/resize operations | 14:27 |
| edleafe | The meeting ended with much love for the ChanceScheduler | 14:27 |
| mriedem | right ok those docs aren't up yet, but we have something as a stand in | 14:27 |
| mriedem | this https://review.openstack.org/#/c/491900/ | 14:28 |
| mriedem | also, the caching scheduler and chance schedulers are now deprecated | 14:28 |
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| mriedem | #info chance and caching schedulers are now deprecated https://review.openstack.org/#/c/492210/ | 14:28 |
| edleafe | ...and not a tear was shed | 14:28 |
| mriedem | oh and | 14:28 |
| mriedem | #info ram and disk filters are no longer enabled by default https://review.openstack.org/#/c/491854/ | 14:29 |
| bauzas | edleafe: well wait for a bit about that :) | 14:29 |
| mriedem | alex_xu: was there an api meeting this week? | 14:29 |
| edleafe | Also I'm working with dtantsur to deprecate all things about the ironic scheduler filters and options | 14:29 |
| cdent | there was not, the meetbot was down and nobody had anything to talk about so it was called off | 14:29 |
| mriedem | ok, only api thing i know of is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/489926/ | 14:30 |
| mriedem | which is more docs for the new route mapping | 14:30 |
| mriedem | holy cow https://review.openstack.org/#/c/489926/9/doc/source/_static/images/evolution-of-api.png,unified | 14:30 |
| mriedem | we should have the classic ape -> man evolution graphic in there | 14:31 |
| mriedem | https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/z/evolution-man-25266163.jpg | 14:31 |
| sdague | yeh, that's a really nice patch | 14:31 |
| sdague | good work gmann | 14:32 |
| mriedem | there was no notification meeting this week | 14:32 |
| mriedem | and the nova/cinder meeting hasn't happened yet | 14:32 |
| mriedem | but will likely be short | 14:32 |
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| mriedem | #topic stuck reviews | 14:32 |
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| mriedem | nothing on the agenda | 14:32 |
| mriedem | does anyone want to bring something up here? | 14:32 |
| mriedem | #topic open discussion | 14:33 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:33 | |
| mriedem | ok only thing i wanted to mention | 14:33 |
| mriedem | #info mriedem is on vacation next week (along with sdague, bauzas and stephenfin), dansmith is in charge of release stuff in case we need an RC2 | 14:33 |
| mriedem | i don't plan on bringing my laptop with me | 14:33 |
| mriedem | anyone have anything else to discuss? | 14:34 |
| mriedem | ok that's it then, thanks everyone | 14:34 |
| bauzas | ++ | 14:34 |
| mriedem | #endmeeting | 14:34 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Aug 10 14:34:52 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:34 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2017/nova.2017-08-10-14.00.html | 14:34 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2017/nova.2017-08-10-14.00.txt | 14:34 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2017/nova.2017-08-10-14.00.log.html | 14:34 |
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| asettle | #startmeeting docteam | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Aug 10 16:00:52 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is asettle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'docteam' | 16:00 |
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| jungleboyj | @! | 16:01 |
| _pewp_ | jungleboyj ＼(-_- ) | 16:01 |
| asettle | Ola o/ | 16:01 |
| ianychoi | o/ | 16:01 |
| skelso | o/ | 16:01 |
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| amotoki | o/ | 16:01 |
| asettle | As usual, will wait until 5 past for all to trickle in :) | 16:01 |
| asettle | Agenda | 16:01 |
| asettle | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/DocTeamMeeting#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 16:01 |
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| jungleboyj | :-) Darn stragglers. | 16:01 |
| mlavalle | o/ | 16:02 |
| bsilverman_ | o/ | 16:02 |
| asettle | jungleboyj: always the way! | 16:02 |
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| krtaylor | o/ | 16:03 |
| asettle | Okay so! Just before the last minute clocks over | 16:04 |
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| asettle | Exciting - we haven't had a meeting in *ages* | 16:04 |
| asettle | Thanks all for coming in | 16:04 |
| * mlavalle waves at krtaylor | 16:04 | |
| * krtaylor waves back to mlavalle | 16:05 | |
| asettle | I'm going to go through all the generic stuff hopefully fairly quickly. Then leave time at the end for anyone to discuss any concerns questions etc they may have | 16:05 |
| asettle | I know lots are here for migration reasons :) | 16:05 |
| asettle | Okay! | 16:05 |
| asettle | #topic Action items from the last meeting | 16:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Action items from the last meeting (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 16:05 | |
| asettle | TROLOLOL | 16:05 |
| asettle | Moving on | 16:05 |
| asettle | #topic Doc PTL voting! | 16:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Doc PTL voting! (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 16:05 | |
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| asettle | For the first time in doc team history (more or less) we have two great candidates to lead our team! | 16:05 |
| jungleboyj | Vote early! Vote often! | 16:05 |
| pkovar | /me is here | 16:06 |
| asettle | Very exciting. Congratulations and good luck to pkovar and chason | 16:06 |
| asettle | Really excited for you both. | 16:06 |
| asettle | As jungleboyj said, don't forget to vote! | 16:06 |
| pkovar | thanks, asettle | 16:06 |
| jungleboyj | :-) | 16:06 |
| asettle | Y'all should all have something in your inbox if you are able to vote! (as per the rules, you know the rules...) | 16:06 |
| jungleboyj | Be aware that there were some issues with people being registered as eligible to vote. | 16:06 |
| asettle | I admittedly can't remmeber off the top of my head - what's the final voting day? | 16:06 |
| ianychoi | :) | 16:07 |
| asettle | jungleboyj: ahh good call, thanks. | 16:07 |
| jungleboyj | If you don't see an e-mail you can follow up with persia or diablo_rojo | 16:07 |
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| jungleboyj | Be aware that the vote forms go to your preferred gerrit e-mail. | 16:07 |
| pkovar | for dates, see https://governance.openstack.org/election/ :) | 16:07 |
| asettle | jungleboyj: correct. Thanks :D | 16:07 |
| jungleboyj | asettle: Welcome. :-) | 16:08 |
| amotoki | the title is "Poll: Openstack Documentation PTL Queens Release Election" if you need the title to look for the mail | 16:08 |
| asettle | I'm sadly a little more behind in the last few weeks than I'd like to admit. My new role within Rackspace has been chumping at my heels | 16:08 |
| ianychoi | The vote e-mail can be classified to spam folder - my case | 16:08 |
| dhellmann | o/ | 16:08 |
| mlavalle | deadline is August 16th | 16:08 |
| asettle | Thanks everyone :D | 16:08 |
| asettle | Okay, don't forget to vote by August 16th! | 16:09 |
| mlavalle | 23:45 utc | 16:09 |
| asettle | Also, on that note, thanks everyone for an awesome cycle :) I'm sad that I didn't get the opportunity to help grow with the community for longer than Pike. But so it goes! | 16:09 |
| asettle | Thanks everyone for your awesome support during what turned out to be a pretty ... interesting... time! | 16:09 |
| ianychoi | Thanks a lot asettle ! | 16:09 |
| asettle | Thank y'all | 16:10 |
| asettle | #topic Doc migration | 16:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Doc migration (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 16:10 | |
| asettle | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+topic:doc-migration | 16:10 |
| jungleboyj | asettle: ++ | 16:11 |
| asettle | We still have *so* much in the works | 16:11 |
| asettle | Everyone keep you eyes and ears out | 16:11 |
| jungleboyj | asettle: Thanks for working through a challenging time. | 16:11 |
| asettle | We have a lot of people coming into the chan per-day. It would be great if everyone can lend a hand in the lead up to the release. | 16:11 |
| asettle | Thank you, jungleboyj :) | 16:11 |
| asettle | Big thanks to dhellmann and Andreas (ajaeger) for all their hard work on the dev and infra side of this project! | 16:11 |
| jungleboyj | ++ | 16:11 |
| ianychoi | ++ | 16:11 |
| dhellmann | yes, we can always use help assisting folks debugging build issues, etc. | 16:11 |
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| dhellmann | and thanks to all of you who have already been doing that :-) | 16:12 |
| asettle | Absolutely. There's a lot coming in all the time. | 16:12 |
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| dhellmann | the latest report found 1096 reviews with the topic "doc-migration" | 16:12 |
| dhellmann | so, wow | 16:12 |
| asettle | Wowwww | 16:12 |
| asettle | That's insane | 16:12 |
| jungleboyj | Yikes | 16:12 |
| dhellmann | of those, 59 are currently open for review | 16:12 |
| dhellmann | we're down to just a few expected docs not being visible: https://doughellmann.com/doc-migration/ | 16:12 |
| dhellmann | some of those are in process, I know | 16:13 |
| dhellmann | and some may be bad assumptions about docs that do not yet exist | 16:13 |
| asettle | Missing because dead, or missing because missing? | 16:13 |
| dhellmann | so overall I feel pretty good about where things stand | 16:13 |
| dhellmann | well, the cinder and nova stuff are in the works | 16:13 |
| dhellmann | the panko project may not have a config reference at all, yet | 16:14 |
| asettle | Yep, sdague and stephenfin have that under control (more or less) | 16:14 |
| jungleboyj | dhellmann: I think Cinder is in pretty good shape. | 16:14 |
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| dhellmann | when the cinder and nova patches land, I'm ready to call phase 1 "done" | 16:14 |
| dhellmann | if we have stragglers, it's not the end of the world | 16:15 |
| jungleboyj | I see that patch, I will get it merged. | 16:15 |
| dhellmann | ++ | 16:15 |
| asettle | Awesome :) | 16:15 |
| asettle | Love that it's done! | 16:15 |
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| dhellmann | so, it's time to take stock of where we are and look at what we discussed as being part of phase 2 and prioritize that | 16:16 |
| jungleboyj | dhellmann: You just talking about this: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/483667/3 | 16:16 |
| asettle | dhellmann: after your PTO, shall we spend a little bit of time on that? | 16:16 |
| dhellmann | jungleboyj : https://doughellmann.com/doc-migration/ shows 2 "missing urls" related to cinder (admin and configuration) | 16:17 |
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| * krtaylor reads the doc-migration spec | 16:17 | |
| dhellmann | asettle : yeah, it would be good to have the team review the "future" etherpad and start thinking about those things | 16:17 |
| jungleboyj | dhellmann: That is weird. I won't hijack the meeting. Lets follow up after. | 16:17 |
| dhellmann | jungleboyj: ok | 16:17 |
| asettle | jungleboyj: did you guys add the tags? Is that maybe why? | 16:18 |
| asettle | dhellmann: yep okay, let's maybe find some time with doc people in 2 weeks to review | 16:18 |
| asettle | I'll send out an email perhaps, get everyone to have a sneak peak :) | 16:18 |
| dhellmann | jungleboyj : those directories exist but do not have index.html pages | 16:18 |
| jungleboyj | Ruh roh. I may have done something wrong. I will fix that ASAP. | 16:18 |
| jungleboyj | The directories or there. | 16:19 |
| asettle | Hahhaa jungleboyj reach out on the doc chan if you need help :) | 16:19 |
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| jungleboyj | Thanks for catching that. You guys are awesome. | 16:19 |
| asettle | Doug* is awesome | 16:19 |
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| dhellmann | asettle : it would be good to find someone to go through the project-data list and add flags for projects that have docs but haven't updated the latest.yaml file | 16:20 |
| asettle | Good thoughts. | 16:20 |
| asettle | Any takers? | 16:20 |
| asettle | pkovar ? | 16:20 |
| dhellmann | given the scramble around rc1, it's likely going to be easier for someone on the docs team to do it this time around | 16:20 |
| pkovar | i can have a look, sure, asettle | 16:21 |
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| asettle | Fair enough :) if nobody can look, I'll do it | 16:21 |
| asettle | Thanks pkovar ! | 16:21 |
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| dhellmann | pkovar : the template generator has some flags to help you identify what flags can be turned on. See tools/test.sh | 16:21 |
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| dhellmann | I think you want --series latest --check-all-links | 16:22 |
| pkovar | thanks, dhellmann | 16:22 |
| amotoki | for folks not familiar with project-data, see www/project-data/*.yaml in openstack-manuals repo | 16:23 |
| dhellmann | asettle : the other thing to do around this time in the cycle is to set up the pike series data file and the queens series templates | 16:23 |
| dhellmann | that should happen after most of the project branch, since the validation code won't let us land the patch until the links on the pike pages exist | 16:24 |
| asettle | dhellmann: might have to go through that together, if that's okay? that's not something I've done before. | 16:24 |
| dhellmann | I think there are instructions in the team contributor guide | 16:24 |
| dhellmann | sure, we can do that when I'm back on the 22nd | 16:24 |
| dhellmann | if the docs aren't sufficient for you to do it before :-) | 16:24 |
| asettle | Okay, I'll poke around before you come back :) hopefully I've got it all done | 16:24 |
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| asettle | Okay, anything else dhellmann ? :) | 16:25 |
| dhellmann | that's it from me | 16:25 |
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| asettle | Awesome :) thank you so much for doing all this | 16:26 |
| dhellmann | I'm happy to pitch in where I can :-) | 16:26 |
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| jungleboyj | asettle: ++ | 16:26 |
| asettle | Let's move on :) | 16:26 |
| asettle | #topic PTG | 16:26 |
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| asettle | So, plannnninnnnggg | 16:26 |
| asettle | Has begun! | 16:26 |
| asettle | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/denver-doc-PTG | 16:26 |
| asettle | Who will be attending, and is planning on attending some doc sessions? | 16:27 |
| mlavalle | o/ | 16:27 |
| dhellmann | o/ | 16:27 |
| jungleboyj | asettle: I will be there and try to come to the Doc sessions. | 16:27 |
| asettle | Awesome :D great to hear. | 16:27 |
| jungleboyj | Are they Mon/Tue ? | 16:27 |
| asettle | We've got a small room - cause last time we weren't sure how many were to arrive | 16:27 |
| asettle | Yep! | 16:27 |
| asettle | Mon - Tue | 16:27 |
| jungleboyj | Awesome. I will be there. | 16:27 |
| asettle | And then i'm hoping to book some planning sessions on Wed/Thurs | 16:27 |
| dhellmann | there may also be some space available for hacking later in the week | 16:28 |
| pkovar | o/ | 16:28 |
| asettle | dhellmann: yep totally. I'm going to email Kendall today (I think Kendall did the rooms, no?) | 16:28 |
| mlavalle | Wed/Thurs won't be as easy for me. got to go to the Neutron sessions | 16:28 |
| dhellmann | and if folks want to do some knowledge transfer on how the template stuff works, I'll be happy to do that then | 16:28 |
| dhellmann | probably not going to have time mon/tue | 16:28 |
| asettle | mlavalle: no problem :) hopefully we'll see you Mon/Tues | 16:28 |
| dhellmann | asettle : yeah, though if it's just a couple of us we can probably snag a table somewhere, too | 16:28 |
| asettle | dhellmann: that's no sweat :) | 16:29 |
| asettle | Easy. It was pretty good last time. Definitely worked out. | 16:29 |
| dhellmann | assuming the weather is nice, we could also ptg outside | 16:29 |
| ianychoi | Wow.. outside PTG :) | 16:29 |
| jungleboyj | I would love any education on how things work under the covers so I can be more self sufficient. | 16:29 |
| * dhellmann has fond memories of the deck at the vancouver summit | 16:29 | |
| asettle | Dudes I seriously need to go outside. | 16:29 |
| asettle | The UK "summer" is a joke | 16:30 |
| asettle | I am dying inside. | 16:30 |
| mlavalle | Denver can be warm this time of the year | 16:30 |
| asettle | literally and figuratively | 16:30 |
| asettle | jungleboyj: we can do our best! | 16:30 |
| jungleboyj | The weather in the midwest has been awesome this summer! | 16:30 |
| asettle | Admittedly, so much as changed I'll be learning too. So we can maybe do a sesh where we just figure it all out | 16:30 |
| asettle | Neat :D | 16:30 |
| asettle | That's what I need | 16:30 |
| ianychoi | Sorry for my recent busy schedule.. hope that Docs Denver PTG will be so great | 16:30 |
| krtaylor | just to introduce myself, I'm taking over doc liaison to help inc0 on Kolla docs - I'll be at PTG all week so I'll stop in as I can on Mon/Tues | 16:31 |
| dhellmann | ok, I'll plan on being ready to do a walk0through | 16:31 |
| dhellmann | or walk-through | 16:31 |
| dhellmann | my goal for queens is to just review patches, not write them, so it'll be good to prepare for that | 16:31 |
| asettle | krtaylor: nice to meet you! | 16:31 |
| asettle | Be great to have you involved :) | 16:31 |
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| krtaylor | thanks! | 16:31 |
| dhellmann | ++ | 16:31 |
| asettle | ianychoi: not at all. Do you have a separate etherpad, or do you want to combine? | 16:31 |
| asettle | dhellmann: walk-through would be so helpful | 16:32 |
| asettle | Maybe we could do a 'lunch and learn' session? Invite all, and just sit and have a bit of a 'this is how things work now' | 16:32 |
| asettle | So everyone's on the same page | 16:32 |
| krtaylor | +1 | 16:32 |
| amotoki | perhaps the translation related topic is better to be discussed as part of the doc-migration | 16:32 |
| mlavalle | yeah, that would be great | 16:32 |
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| asettle | amotoki: good thoughts | 16:33 |
| asettle | Could you add to the etherpad? | 16:33 |
| ianychoi | asettle, I18n currently has separated Etherpad: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/denver-i18n-PTG and yep I agree with amotoki - translation support with docs-migration would be so important topic. | 16:33 |
| asettle | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/denver-doc-PTG | 16:33 |
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| ianychoi | amotoki, would u add to Docs etherpad? :) | 16:33 |
| amotoki | docs PTG etherpad ? | 16:34 |
| asettle | Yes please :) | 16:34 |
| ianychoi | amotoki, yep - then I will link it from I18n etherpad | 16:34 |
| amotoki | i see it is already listed in https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/doc-future-problems but adding it helps us. | 16:34 |
| amotoki | sure I will add it. | 16:35 |
| ianychoi | Thank u! | 16:35 |
| asettle | Awesome, thank you amotoki :) | 16:35 |
| asettle | Do you have anything to add RE PTG, ianychoi ? | 16:35 |
| asettle | Docs and i18n are doing a joint room again :) ftr | 16:35 |
| asettle | Worked really well last time! | 16:36 |
| ianychoi | asettle, I think I would like to support I18n-ed PDFs in Queens cycle with volunteers :) | 16:36 |
| asettle | Okay, great! | 16:37 |
| asettle | Alright! Let's move on :) | 16:38 |
| asettle | #topic Bug triaging | 16:38 |
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| asettle | So, the doc team started trialling using a bug triage liaison | 16:38 |
| asettle | This has been working really well! | 16:38 |
| ianychoi | I have been seeing how to support different PDF fonts for different languages - very slowly but it would be an important step to make translated PDFs. I will more describe it - hopefully before PTG | 16:38 |
| asettle | Oh sorry ianychoi | 16:38 |
| ianychoi | asettle, fine :) | 16:38 |
| asettle | ianychoi: that'd be a great addition. Let's talk more :) | 16:38 |
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| asettle | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/SpecialityTeams#Bug_Triage_Team | 16:39 |
| ianychoi | asettle, because of my slow typing :) +1 | 16:39 |
| asettle | ianychoi: sorry, I'm a rusher! | 16:39 |
| ianychoi | Kool - Rush Rush :) | 16:39 |
| asettle | I think this went really well for Pike | 16:39 |
| asettle | But now with the changes. We've got a lot of questions coming up - are we even going to keep the openstack-manuals bug repo? | 16:39 |
| asettle | Cause a lot of the bugs that will be reported from the 'report a bug' button in docs, will go to manuals, but may need to be dealt with in $PROJECT | 16:40 |
| dhellmann | the theme does support setting the correct launchpad project, so many of those should be targeted correctly automatically | 16:40 |
| amotoki | asettle: is it about existing guides before Pike? | 16:40 |
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| asettle | dhellmann: okay that's good. | 16:40 |
| asettle | amotoki: yeah, that's an issue. | 16:41 |
| pkovar | i guess that as long there is content in the -manuals repo, it's useful | 16:41 |
| dhellmann | I wonder how many of the existing open bugs are related to content that has moved or been deleted | 16:41 |
| pkovar | * as | 16:41 |
| asettle | A *lot* | 16:41 |
| asettle | https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals | 16:41 |
| asettle | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals | 16:41 |
| asettle | We're going to need to do a clean up | 16:41 |
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| amotoki | for Ocata or prior, we can add a project as affected project and once they are fixed we can update ocata versions in openstack-manuals. | 16:41 |
| asettle | amotoki: okay. We'd still have to go through manually though, yeah? | 16:42 |
| amotoki | asettle: I think so | 16:43 |
| asettle | Okay, maybe one of the working bees we can do at the PTG is going through all the bugs | 16:43 |
| asettle | Would be good to get out of the way | 16:43 |
| asettle | And there's only ~120 | 16:43 |
| asettle | Should be fairly easy with a small group | 16:43 |
| asettle | Anyone able to help? | 16:43 |
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| jungleboyj | I could try to help with that at the PTG. | 16:44 |
| pkovar | sounds like something we can totally do at the PTG, yes | 16:44 |
| asettle | That's great, thank you guys! | 16:44 |
| amotoki | i can help it (though I am not sure i can help during PTG) | 16:45 |
| asettle | Okay, well, we'll get those bugs in the right places (and assigned to the right projects) | 16:45 |
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| asettle | And then we can figure out if doing a bug triage liaison is still the best option :) | 16:45 |
| ianychoi | One question after seeing the Wiki - then for example, pike install guides should be shipped before final release R+0? What would be documentation policy for install guides in project repositories with stable branch? | 16:45 |
| dhellmann | what sort of policy do you mean? | 16:46 |
| amotoki | I think ianychoi is asking about "call for testing installation guide" | 16:47 |
| ianychoi | What I meant was that openstack-manuals usually has a stable branch around R+2 with testing after R+0 | 16:47 |
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| amotoki | previously the installation guide is tested after the release and the a branch was cut | 16:47 |
| asettle | I believe we were discussing this the other day. So we have a few steps here... | 16:48 |
| asettle | 1. We're going to have to update our mission statement, to determine the doc team scope | 16:48 |
| asettle | 2. Determine testing | 16:48 |
| ianychoi | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/436681/1/doc/source/release_management.rst@91 | 16:49 |
| ianychoi | This is old version and I would like to enhance the description for I18n team how to translate documentations :) | 16:49 |
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| asettle | #link https://docs.openstack.org/contributor-guide/release/taskdetail.html#installation-tutorial-testing | 16:49 |
| dhellmann | ah, so you're asking about translating stable branch documentation? | 16:49 |
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| amotoki | about a new stable branch | 16:50 |
| ianychoi | Yep - when would be good timing for I18n team to start document translation for stable branch | 16:50 |
| dhellmann | great question. what do people think? | 16:50 |
| asettle | Oh I see. Hmm | 16:51 |
| amotoki | no translation support for documentation in individual projects is available yet.... | 16:51 |
| asettle | Maybe we shouldn't change. Maybe we should keep the trailing testing. | 16:51 |
| asettle | I don't see why we need to. It makes sense for docs. | 16:51 |
| asettle | amotoki: hmm yeah I didn't think of that | 16:51 |
| dhellmann | certainly this time around that seems the most realistic | 16:51 |
| asettle | Is that likely to happen? | 16:51 |
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| amotoki | I think the process is relatively easy, it is similar to what ianychoi did for the i18n guide | 16:52 |
| dhellmann | we put off configuring the translation jobs. we could probably do that in the next couple of weeks, but we would need someone to work with AJaeger to do it | 16:53 |
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| * asettle has little to no infra knowledge :( | 16:54 | |
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| amotoki | i usually work on translation scripts with Ajaeger and can help it if it does not conflict with summary vacation | 16:54 |
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| jungleboyj | infra guys do magic asettle That is all it is. ;-) | 16:54 |
| asettle | This explains much. | 16:54 |
| jungleboyj | :-) | 16:54 |
| amotoki | yeah, it is a magic :) | 16:55 |
| ianychoi | Yep.. then I think I18n team can start document translation activities after Docs team finish trailing testing :) yep magic | 16:55 |
| jungleboyj | And my son informed me the other day that all magicians are aliens. | 16:55 |
| dhellmann | is the docs team going to be doing the installation testing? | 16:55 |
| asettle | jungleboyj: well I mean, he's not wrong. | 16:55 |
| dhellmann | jungleboyj : that seems legit. | 16:55 |
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| asettle | dhellmann: so, I was thinking about this. | 16:55 |
| asettle | That's what I Was thinking we could use the tag for. | 16:55 |
| * jungleboyj is laughing | 16:55 | |
| asettle | I'm not sure the docs team has the capability to do it :( | 16:55 |
| asettle | We used to struggle before this | 16:56 |
| jungleboyj | Oh, he will love that two smart people just agreed with him. | 16:56 |
| * asettle whispers | 16:56 | |
| asettle | Guys he called me smart | 16:56 |
| dhellmann | asettle : settling that mission statement may help clarify the answer to that question | 16:56 |
| jungleboyj | asettle: Yeah, seems like doing the install testing might be a stretch for the docs team. | 16:56 |
| asettle | dhellmann: I agree. I think also, it might be good to implement the tag at this point. | 16:56 |
| asettle | If the testing is complete, stamp the tag | 16:56 |
| amotoki | the docs team send a mail to encourage install testing | 16:56 |
| amotoki | *can send* | 16:56 |
| asettle | amotoki: absolutely | 16:56 |
| asettle | Yay! Thanks amotoki :) | 16:56 |
| pkovar | first things first? ;) | 16:56 |
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| pkovar | re: mission statement | 16:57 |
| jungleboyj | Can we reach out to the PTLs/liaisons to get someone to try to do it for different projects? | 16:57 |
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| asettle | jungleboyj: liaisons might be our best bet. PTls are always scrambling at this stage | 16:57 |
| asettle | Aw shite dudes, we've only got 3 minutes to go! | 16:57 |
| ianychoi | Oh time is going so fast haha | 16:58 |
| jungleboyj | When does the testing have to be done? | 16:58 |
| asettle | jungleboyj: we are usually trailing by release by about a month? | 16:58 |
| jungleboyj | Ok. That isn't too bad. | 16:58 |
| jungleboyj | I can reach out to the Cinder team at the next meeting and see if anyone can help. | 16:59 |
| pkovar | https://docs.openstack.org/contributor-guide/release/taskdetail.html#installation-tutorial-testing might be helpful here | 16:59 |
| asettle | Awesome :) | 16:59 |
| asettle | Sorry guys | 16:59 |
| asettle | I'm going to have to shut us down | 16:59 |
| jungleboyj | pkovar: Thank you. I think that was what I was about to ask about. | 16:59 |
| jungleboyj | :-( | 16:59 |
| asettle | But this was great. I think we might have one more meeting before the PTG | 16:59 |
| asettle | Might try and have another meeting next week | 16:59 |
| asettle | Seems like we have plenty to discuss! | 16:59 |
| dhellmann | ++ | 16:59 |
| ianychoi | Thank you all! | 16:59 |
| jungleboyj | asettle: ++ | 16:59 |
| jungleboyj | dhellmann: Patch is progress to fix those index pages. | 16:59 |
| pkovar | thanks everybody | 17:00 |
| mlavalle | o/ | 17:00 |
| dhellmann | jungleboyj : great! | 17:00 |
| asettle | Thanks everyone! | 17:00 |
| asettle | Have a great Thursday :D | 17:00 |
| asettle | o/ | 17:00 |
| dhellmann | thanks, everyone! | 17:00 |
| jungleboyj | Thanks all! | 17:00 |
| krtaylor | o/ | 17:00 |
| asettle | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Aug 10 17:00:27 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2017/docteam.2017-08-10-16.00.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2017/docteam.2017-08-10-16.00.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2017/docteam.2017-08-10-16.00.log.html | 17:00 |
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| armax | bzzz | 21:58 |
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| kevinbenton | hello! | 22:00 |
| mlavalle | o/ | 22:00 |
| armax | bzzz | 22:00 |
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| kevinbenton | #startmeeting neutron_drivers | 22:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Aug 10 22:01:09 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is kevinbenton. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 22:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 22:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_drivers' | 22:01 |
| kevinbenton | so I'd like to keep this meeting somewhat short since we are dealing with the initial pike branch cut today | 22:01 |
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| kevinbenton | armax: can you give us a timeline for releases? | 22:01 |
| mlavalle | cool | 22:01 |
| armax | yes sir | 22:02 |
| armax | https://releases.openstack.org/pike/schedule.html | 22:02 |
| armax | we’re in R-3 | 22:02 |
| armax | today I think we should unlock | 22:02 |
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| armax | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/491560/ | 22:02 |
| armax | most likely after this meeting | 22:02 |
| armax | and thus tomorrow rc1 will be tagged and the pike branch will be cut | 22:03 |
| armax | for those repos | 22:03 |
| armax | at that point | 22:03 |
| armax | we have about another 2 weeks to stabilize | 22:03 |
| armax | and cut further rcX | 22:03 |
| armax | any patch in the tree should be blocked and only those targeting bug reports with pike-rc-potential should be evaluated | 22:04 |
| armax | s/tree/gerrit/ | 22:04 |
| kevinbenton | armax: due to the instability of the gate it looks like we are going to have trouble landing the things that are in flight, will we be allowed to back-port them into the new pike branch? | 22:04 |
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| kevinbenton | landing them in time for today | 22:04 |
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| armax | kevinbenton: the gate is always unstable during crunch time | 22:05 |
| armax | :) | 22:05 |
| armax | do you have a list of things that are on track for landing in the next few hours? | 22:05 |
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| kevinbenton | armax: this and its children are mlavalle's dns work https://review.openstack.org/#/c/491873/ | 22:05 |
| kevinbenton | armax: it just hit a rally timeout so it's restarting now | 22:06 |
| armax | anything that has a DB migration or API facing change is gonna be though to backport | 22:06 |
| armax | OK | 22:06 |
| armax | the queue is not too long | 22:06 |
| kevinbenton | armax: in that case this one is pretty important | 22:06 |
| kevinbenton | armax: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/483518/ | 22:06 |
| kevinbenton | armax: that has the MTU db addition | 22:07 |
| mlavalle | and nothin in that series has db migration | 22:07 |
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| armax | but each patch takes at least 3-4 hours to go all the way through | 22:07 |
| kevinbenton | armax: and it just failed because of a keystone password update test | 22:07 |
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| armax | henryG had a query that would look up patches with alembic changes | 22:08 |
| armax | can’t recall on the top of my head | 22:08 |
| armax | I can find out what are those outstanding and see what the status is | 22:08 |
| kevinbenton | the other one i'd like to back-port even though it isn't feature related is this one | 22:08 |
| kevinbenton | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/453355/ | 22:08 |
| kevinbenton | if we get that in Pike it's going to make future back-ports much less conflict heavy | 22:09 |
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| armax | we should be able to backport this | 22:09 |
| kevinbenton | armax: would that be allowed? | 22:09 |
| kevinbenton | armax: ok | 22:09 |
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| kevinbenton | armax: also this one that just deprecates that web_framework option https://review.openstack.org/#/c/490613/ | 22:10 |
| armax | I just love how we do and undo stuff | 22:10 |
| armax | OK | 22:10 |
| armax | it’s unlikely any of these merge by today | 22:11 |
| kevinbenton | I have some logging reduction patches that need to be fixed up but we can decide to backport those much later | 22:11 |
| armax | I reckon | 22:11 |
| armax | anything that trims logs is welcome | 22:11 |
| armax | kevinbenton: probably wise to send an email about this | 22:12 |
| armax | to remind the team of the process | 22:12 |
| kevinbenton | armax: i'll wait to see where the cards fall when you cut the branch and send a list of patches we'd like to get in | 22:12 |
| kevinbenton | then once things settle a bit, we can continue feature development on master at that point, right? | 22:13 |
| armax | once stable/pike is open | 22:13 |
| armax | anything can flood the gate on maste | 22:14 |
| armax | r | 22:14 |
| kevinbenton | ok, cool | 22:14 |
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| kevinbenton | does anyone have anything else release related? | 22:16 |
| mlavalle | arno | 22:16 |
| mlavalle | not me | 22:16 |
| armax | nop | 22:16 |
| kevinbenton | if not, i'd like to end the meeting early so we can shepard these patches in | 22:16 |
| kevinbenton | ok | 22:16 |
| mlavalle | ++ | 22:16 |
| kevinbenton | thanks | 22:17 |
| mlavalle | o/ | 22:17 |
| armax | OK then | 22:17 |
| kevinbenton | #endmeeting | 22:17 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Aug 10 22:17:10 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:17 |
| armax | that was a breeze | 22:17 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2017/neutron_drivers.2017-08-10-22.01.html | 22:17 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2017/neutron_drivers.2017-08-10-22.01.txt | 22:17 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2017/neutron_drivers.2017-08-10-22.01.log.html | 22:17 |
| mlavalle | armax: you going to Denver? | 22:17 |
| armax | aye | 22:19 |
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| mlavalle | armax: great me too. see you there :-) | 22:26 |
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