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| hongbin | #startmeeting zun | 03:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Tue Aug 1 03:00:21 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is hongbin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 03:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 03:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'zun' | 03:00 |
| hongbin | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Zun#Agenda_for_2017-08-01_0300_UTC Today's agenda | 03:00 |
| hongbin | #topic Roll Call | 03:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Roll Call (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:00 | |
| mkrai | Madhuri o/ | 03:00 |
| Namrata | Namrata | 03:00 |
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| spn | o/ | 03:01 |
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| Shunli | shunli | 03:01 |
| hongbin | thanks for joining the meeting mkrai Namrata shubhams kevinz spn Shunli | 03:01 |
| lakerzhou | lakerzhou | 03:01 |
| hongbin | thanks for joining lakerzhou | 03:01 |
| hongbin | ok, let's get started | 03:01 |
| hongbin | #topic Announcements | 03:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:01 | |
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| hongbin | 1. python-zunclient 0.4.0 is released for Pike. | 03:01 |
| hongbin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/487979/ | 03:02 |
| hongbin | you should see the stable/pike branch has been cut for python-zunclient | 03:02 |
| mkrai | Great :) | 03:02 |
| hongbin | that means all patches for python-zunclient are for Q now | 03:02 |
| hongbin | if you want to submit for pike, we need to do backporting | 03:03 |
| hongbin | 2. The deadline of releasing Zun server is at the week of Aug 21 | 03:03 |
| hongbin | #link https://releases.openstack.org/pike/schedule.html | 03:03 |
| hongbin | i plan to cut the server by Aug 21 | 03:04 |
| hongbin | if you have patches that needs to go into pike, please submit it before Aug 21 | 03:04 |
| hongbin | so far, any comment for hte release schedule? | 03:04 |
| mkrai | I would like the clear container one to go. Will submit patches soon | 03:04 |
| mkrai | Works for me | 03:05 |
| hongbin | mkrai: if it can make the pike, that would be great, but remember the zunclient has cut | 03:05 |
| mkrai | Ohh I think the server might suffice | 03:06 |
| mkrai | But will check | 03:06 |
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| hongbin | ok | 03:06 |
| hongbin | btw, this is the first release of zun that integrates with official openstack release | 03:06 |
| hongbin | ok, next one | 03:07 |
| hongbin | 3. Etcd job has been moved to experimental queue (type "check experimental" to run this job) | 03:07 |
| hongbin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/471840/ | 03:07 |
| hongbin | i put it in experimental queue because it was failing for a while | 03:07 |
| hongbin | putting it as experimental means this job won't be triggered on submiting patch | 03:08 |
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| hongbin | however, it can be manually trigger by typping "check experimental" | 03:08 |
| hongbin | this will save the infra resources, and clear some noice for contributors | 03:08 |
| hongbin | any comment for this? | 03:09 |
| hongbin | or concern? | 03:09 |
| mkrai | After the issue is fixed, we might want to make it voting | 03:09 |
| kiennt | Great, what about this patch? | 03:09 |
| kiennt | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/472538/ | 03:09 |
| hongbin | mkrai: yes, absolutely | 03:09 |
| mkrai | I will be resubmitting the patch for this fix | 03:09 |
| hongbin | we can move it back to voting anytime we want | 03:09 |
| mkrai | kiennt: Will look this week | 03:09 |
| kiennt | mkrai: Hope it will works. | 03:10 |
| hongbin | ok, i clear all the annoucements | 03:10 |
| hongbin | anyone else has an annoucement? | 03:10 |
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| mkrai | Vote for Zun presentation for Sydney summit :) | 03:11 |
| hongbin | oh, yes | 03:11 |
| mkrai | Voting is open till Aug 3 | 03:11 |
| hongbin | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/sydney-2017/vote-for-speakers/ | 03:11 |
| hongbin | ok, move on | 03:12 |
| hongbin | #topic Review Action Items | 03:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review Action Items (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:12 | |
| hongbin | 1. mkrai works on a patch to make image validation configurable | 03:12 |
| hongbin | mkrai: status? | 03:12 |
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| mkrai | Sorry didn't get much time to work on this. I will create a bug for this | 03:12 |
| mkrai | And will submit the patch this week | 03:12 |
| hongbin | ack, np | 03:12 |
| hongbin | sure | 03:13 |
| hongbin | this issue doesn't look urgent for me, so take your time :) | 03:13 |
| hongbin | mkrai: ^^ | 03:13 |
| mkrai | Ok thanks | 03:13 |
| hongbin | ok, next topic | 03:13 |
| hongbin | #topic Cinder integration | 03:13 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Cinder integration (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:13 | |
| hongbin | for this one, i didn't have a chance to get back to it | 03:14 |
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| hongbin | i will skip it this week, if there is no comment for it | 03:15 |
| hongbin | hopefully, i can get a wip patch up at next week | 03:15 |
| hongbin | ok, move on | 03:16 |
| hongbin | #topic Introduce container composition (kevinz) | 03:16 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Introduce container composition (kevinz) (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:16 | |
| hongbin | kevinz: ^^ | 03:16 |
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| kevinz | Hi hongbin | 03:16 |
| hongbin | kevinz: hey | 03:17 |
| kevinz | Submit several patches about capsule, and I will push some test cases this week | 03:17 |
| kevinz | Also add etcd database operation about capsule | 03:17 |
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| kevinz | Also add support for create multiple capsule, such as "zun capsule create -f **.yaml --count 3" | 03:18 |
| hongbin | like a replication controller? | 03:19 |
| kevinz | hongbin: Aha, good point,,, | 03:19 |
| kevinz | hongbin: Just support create more capsules with one command, like container create | 03:20 |
| hongbin | kevinz: oh, i see, that is different | 03:20 |
| kevinz | hongbin: Have not consider it as replication controller,,, | 03:20 |
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| hongbin | kevinz: keep in mind that implementing RC might need a significant amount of work ... | 03:21 |
| kevinz | hongbin: Yeah I see.. | 03:22 |
| hongbin | kevinz: which might need another spec if you propose to go to that path | 03:22 |
| mkrai | hongbin: kevinz Do we want to implement rc like concept in Zun? | 03:22 |
| kevinz | hongbin: OK | 03:22 |
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| hongbin | mkrai: i don't have strong opinion on that | 03:23 |
| kevinz | mkrai: Have not decide also | 03:23 |
| mkrai | Ok | 03:23 |
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| hongbin | any other comment on this topic? | 03:24 |
| kevinz | that's all from me | 03:24 |
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| hongbin | ok, thanks kevinz | 03:25 |
| hongbin | #topic NFV use cases (lakerzhou) | 03:25 |
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| hongbin | lakerzhou: there? | 03:25 |
| lakerzhou | yes | 03:25 |
| hongbin | lakerzhou: want to lead this discussion? | 03:25 |
| hongbin | lakerzhou: btw, i saw you have a patch for that | 03:26 |
| hongbin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/484496/ | 03:26 |
| lakerzhou | The spec is ready for final review. I am planning to run test on docker container directly first | 03:26 |
| hongbin | ack | 03:27 |
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| lakerzhou | I don't have more update on that one, team, please review and let me know if you have any questions or concerns | 03:28 |
| hongbin | :) | 03:28 |
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| lakerzhou | I think we are ready for implementation | 03:29 |
| hongbin | yes, i think so | 03:29 |
| hongbin | most kuryr people have given +1, i guess they will be happy to take the patches | 03:29 |
| lakerzhou | great news if they can take it. | 03:30 |
| hongbin | yes | 03:30 |
| lakerzhou | should we create a BP for kuryr | 03:30 |
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| hongbin | perhaps you can, but don't need to duplicate another spec to kuryr | 03:31 |
| lakerzhou | hongbin, sounds good, I will do it tomorrow. | 03:31 |
| hongbin | thanks lakerzhou | 03:31 |
| hongbin | all, any comment for this topic? or question for lakerzhou ? | 03:31 |
| kevinz | thx lakerzhou | 03:32 |
| kevinz | that will add great value to zun | 03:32 |
| lakerzhou | np, thanks all the helps and comments in reviewing the spec | 03:32 |
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| hongbin | ok, next topic | 03:33 |
| hongbin | #topic Default API version policy | 03:33 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Default API version policy (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:33 | |
| hongbin | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-July/120207.html | 03:33 |
| hongbin | Shunli: there? | 03:33 |
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| Shunli | yes | 03:33 |
| hongbin | Shunli: want to lead the discussion of this topic? | 03:34 |
| Shunli | ok | 03:34 |
| Shunli | the topic is about when and how to bump the default api version. | 03:34 |
| Shunli | now zun client always use the latest api version as the default api version. | 03:35 |
| Shunli | I want to know how you guys think about the defautl api version policy. | 03:36 |
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| Shunli | should we bump the default api version everytime the api version changed? | 03:36 |
| Shunli | or we bump the default api version when a major version released? | 03:36 |
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| mkrai | I am not sure how the microversion works. How does other project handle it? | 03:37 |
| Shunli | I only found a ironic client which seem do not bump the default api version when every api version changed. | 03:38 |
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| hongbin | #link https://specs.openstack.org/openstack/ironic-specs/specs/approved/cli-default-api-version.html | 03:38 |
| Namrata | they are taking latest as the default api version | 03:39 |
| hongbin | this is how i understand their approach | 03:40 |
| hongbin | first, at client side, it defines a list of versions it supports | 03:40 |
| hongbin | second, in server side, define the latest api versions | 03:41 |
| hongbin | the final chosen api version is negotiated between client and server | 03:41 |
| hongbin | basically, it will pick the latest version that both client and server support | 03:42 |
| hongbin | for example, client support 1.1 - 1.3, server has up to 1.4 | 03:42 |
| hongbin | the chosen version will be 1.3 | 03:42 |
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| hongbin | that is how i understand their spec | 03:42 |
| mkrai | is this approach already supported in zunclient? | 03:42 |
| hongbin | mkrai: no, we hard-code to 'latest' right now | 03:43 |
| mkrai | it seems if we have this approach supported in zunclient, its good | 03:44 |
| mkrai | And also we should bump the default version to latest. | 03:44 |
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| Shunli | ok, seems you guys all think we should always use the latest as the default api version. | 03:45 |
| mkrai | Shunli: yes it makes no harm I suppose | 03:45 |
| Namrata | i also agree using the latest one | 03:46 |
| mkrai | hongbin: Can we ask Kenichi Ohmichi from Nova core about this? | 03:46 |
| mkrai | He has been doing all the work in api microversioning | 03:46 |
| hongbin | mkrai: yes, i can take an AI for that | 03:47 |
| mkrai | hongbin: Thanks | 03:47 |
| hongbin | #action hongbin ask nova core about how to deal with api microversion | 03:47 |
| Shunli | my only concern is that we should alway expose stable cli/api to user. | 03:47 |
| mkrai | Shunli: Agree | 03:48 |
| hongbin | this is a good point | 03:48 |
| hongbin | i think there is a middle ground | 03:48 |
| spn | n - 1 approach? | 03:48 |
| hongbin | for stable branch, we could hard-code a stable version | 03:48 |
| hongbin | for master branch, pick the latest version | 03:48 |
| hongbin | spn: go ahead if you have one :) | 03:49 |
| spn | hongbin: we have a stable branch right? | 03:49 |
| Shunli | +1 for hongbin's proposal | 03:49 |
| hongbin | spn: yes, starting for this release, we have | 03:49 |
| spn | that should be fine I guess | 03:49 |
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| hongbin | ok, seems we all agree on this one | 03:50 |
| mkrai | +1 | 03:51 |
| hongbin | any further remark? | 03:51 |
| Shunli | i will submit patch use the latest as the default api version for host list&show | 03:51 |
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| hongbin | Shunli: thx | 03:51 |
| hongbin | #topic Open Discussion | 03:51 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:51 | |
| hongbin | anyone has an additional topic to bring up? | 03:52 |
| mkrai | none from me | 03:52 |
| Shunli | no | 03:52 |
| spn | one thing | 03:52 |
| hongbin | spn: go ahead | 03:53 |
| spn | I was looking for a architecture diagram of zun on the main page of ours | 03:53 |
| spn | like how magnum has it | 03:53 |
| spn | possible? | 03:53 |
| hongbin | sure | 03:53 |
| mkrai | spn: +1 | 03:53 |
| hongbin | i can take an AI for that | 03:53 |
| hongbin | #action hongbin pose an architecture diagram at the zun wiki page | 03:54 |
| spn | also I am did not find a page | 03:54 |
| spn | which has our roadmap listed | 03:54 |
| hongbin | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Zun | 03:54 |
| spn | did I miss a page which has it? | 03:54 |
| hongbin | spn: i can try to summarize the roadmap in some way, how other projects present their roadmap? | 03:55 |
| spn | I showed the zun page to my exec director and the first question he asked me is what is in the roadmap | 03:55 |
| hongbin | i see | 03:55 |
| spn | I could not find it on wiki. | 03:55 |
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| hongbin | yes, i am thinking how to summarize it | 03:56 |
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| spn | +1 that would be great. | 03:56 |
| hongbin | since i don't think other projects summarize their roadmap in wiki as well | 03:56 |
| spn | whatever is the best location | 03:57 |
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| hongbin | ok, i will try that | 03:57 |
| kiennt | hongbin,: Just one thing, do you think we should change zun/image/glance/utils to a class like NeutronAPI? Like your new patches | 03:57 |
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| hongbin | kiennt: i don't have strong opinion on it, if you have a specific patch up for review, i will leave my comment | 03:58 |
| kiennt | hongbin: sure, i'll try to do it. | 03:58 |
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| hongbin | kiennt: btw, thanks for your reviews and patches, they are all helpful :) | 03:59 |
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| kiennt | hongbin: my pleasure :) | 03:59 |
| diga | sorry I got very late | 03:59 |
| hongbin | all, time is up | 03:59 |
| hongbin | thanks for joining the meeting, hope to see you next time | 03:59 |
| hongbin | #endmeeting | 03:59 |
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| diga | hongbin: will ping you separately | 03:59 |
| mkrai | Thnks everyone | 03:59 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Aug 1 03:59:53 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 03:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zun/2017/zun.2017-08-01-03.00.html | 03:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zun/2017/zun.2017-08-01-03.00.txt | 03:59 |
| spn | have a nice day | 03:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zun/2017/zun.2017-08-01-03.00.log.html | 03:59 |
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| samP | Hi all for Masakari | 04:00 |
| abhishekk_ | O/ | 04:00 |
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| samP | can anyone start the meeting today? | 04:01 |
| samP | I need to attend some other meeting.. I will join after that.. | 04:02 |
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| samP | tpatil_: rkmrHonjo could you please start the Masakari meeting today? | 04:03 |
| abhishekk_ | rkmrHonjo: could you please start the meeting | 04:03 |
| rkmrHonjo | OK, I start this meeting. | 04:03 |
| samP | rkmrHonjo: thanks | 04:04 |
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| rkmrHonjo | Please wait... | 04:04 |
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| rkmrHonjo | #startmeeting masakari | 04:05 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Aug 1 04:05:03 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rkmrHonjo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 04:05 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 04:05 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'masakari' | 04:05 |
| rkmrHonjo | OK, let's start. | 04:05 |
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| rkmrHonjo | #topic High priority items | 04:05 |
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| rkmrHonjo | Do you have any items to discuss? | 04:05 |
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| rkmrHonjo | ok, let's go to next topic. | 04:06 |
| rkmrHonjo | #topic Bugs (stuck/critical) | 04:06 |
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| rkmrHonjo | Do you have any bugs(bug fixes) to discuss? | 04:07 |
| tpatil_ | # link : https://review.openstack.org/#/c/469029/ | 04:08 |
| tpatil_ | #link: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/469029/ | 04:09 |
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| tpatil_ | Needs review | 04:09 |
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| rkmrHonjo | Sorry, I'll review it. | 04:09 |
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| Dinesh_Bhor | rkmrHonjo: thanks | 04:10 |
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| tpatil_ | This patch fixes multiple LP bugs | 04:10 |
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| rkmrHonjo | Yeah. I think this is important. | 04:10 |
| rkmrHonjo | Do you have any other items? | 04:12 |
| rkmrHonjo | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/481509/ | 04:13 |
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| rkmrHonjo | This patch was created by samP. This requires one more +2. | 04:13 |
| tpatil_ | I will review this patch today | 04:14 |
| rkmrHonjo | tpatil: thank you! | 04:14 |
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| rkmrHonjo | Can we go to next topic? | 04:16 |
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| tpatil_ | yes | 04:17 |
| rkmrHonjo | #topic Discussion points | 04:17 |
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| rkmrHonjo | I skip "Application for become OpenStack oficial project". Because samP is not there. | 04:18 |
| rkmrHonjo | "Install guide document" | 04:19 |
| rkmrHonjo | Should we write installation documents for each distributions now? Ubuntu, Debian package is not prepared now. | 04:19 |
| abhishekk | yes that's the reason I have kept workflow -1 | 04:20 |
| tpatil_ | We will need to check how to submit patches in Ubuntu to publish Debian package | 04:20 |
| abhishekk | on patch, https://review.openstack.org/486972 | 04:20 |
| abhishekk | #link https://review.openstack.org/486972 | 04:20 |
| rkmrHonjo | abshihekk: Can you split the patch? I afraid that public package will take long time. | 04:21 |
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| abhishekk | rkmrHonjo: I can remove installation guide for now | 04:21 |
| rkmrHonjo | abhishekk: Can you leave common steps? e.g. Write configuration file | 04:22 |
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| tpatil_ | Also, let's split patches for developer guide, architecture and operators guides | 04:23 |
| abhishekk | ok | 04:23 |
| rkmrHonjo | tpatil, abhishekk: thanks. | 04:23 |
| rkmrHonjo | By the way, takahara wrote installation documents for masakari-monitors. I'm reviewing it. | 04:24 |
| rkmrHonjo | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/489095/ | 04:25 |
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| rkmrHonjo | I think that this document may be help to create devstack plugin of masakari-monitors. | 04:26 |
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| Dinesh_Bhor | rkmrHonjo: ok, thanks. I will check this | 04:27 |
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| rkmrHonjo | Dinesh: thanks! | 04:27 |
| rkmrHonjo | OK, let's go to next item. | 04:27 |
| rkmrHonjo | "Make nova "on_shared_storage" option configurable for evacuate API" | 04:28 |
| rkmrHonjo | Oops, this was already merged. | 04:28 |
| rkmrHonjo | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/483313/ | 04:28 |
| rkmrHonjo | I'll remove this item next week. | 04:29 |
| rkmrHonjo | Next item is..." | 04:30 |
| rkmrHonjo | Instance gets auto-confirmed(uses new flavor) if masakari evacuates an instance which was partially resized(resize-confirm is not performed)" | 04:30 |
| rkmrHonjo | Are there any updates? | 04:30 |
| abhishekk | No updates yet | 04:30 |
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| rkmrHonjo | OK. Next item is "recovery method customization" | 04:31 |
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| abhishekk | We will update the specs based on the recent PoC we have done | 04:33 |
| tpatil_ | Abhishek will update specs https://review.openstack.org/#/c/458023/ based on the POC done to register actions in mistral service | 04:33 |
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| tpatil_ | There is no need to make any changes in mistral service to add new actions as it support RestFul api to register actions using admin credentials | 04:34 |
| tpatil_ | but there is one caveat, you need to restart mistral service in order to run those action in a workflow | 04:34 |
| tpatil_ | we are checking how we can auto-register these newly added actions in mistral without restarting the mistral service | 04:35 |
| tpatil_ | but for this to work, we may have to submit patch in mistral | 04:35 |
| tpatil_ | Abhishek: Have you already updated the specs? | 04:36 |
| abhishekk | not yet | 04:36 |
| tpatil_ | abhishekk: Ok | 04:37 |
| rkmrHonjo | tpatil: Should we restart mistral only once? or every time? | 04:37 |
| Dinesh_Bhor | rkmrHonjo: Whenever you add new actions and want them to be registered in mistral you need to restart mistral services | 04:38 |
| tpatil_ | rkmrHonjo: you need to restart mistral service every time you register a new action, but in our case, we will register all required actions once, so you will need to restart mistral service only one time | 04:39 |
| Dinesh_Bhor | yes | 04:39 |
| rkmrHonjo | Dinesh_Bhor, tpatil: Thanks. I understood. | 04:39 |
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| rkmrHonjo | tpatil, abhishekk: When will you update? | 04:40 |
| abhishekk | rkmrHonjo: in a day or two | 04:41 |
| rkmrHonjo | abhishekk: Great. thank you. | 04:41 |
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| rkmrHonjo | OK. Can I go to next item? | 04:42 |
| tpatil_ | yes, please | 04:42 |
| rkmrHonjo | "Auto compute node registration" | 04:42 |
| rkmrHonjo | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/486483/ | 04:43 |
| rkmrHonjo | This feature automatically create host in specified segment. This will help operators. | 04:43 |
| rkmrHonjo | Takahara submit spec, please review it. | 04:44 |
| rkmrHonjo | s/submit/submitted/ | 04:44 |
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| tpatil_ | In the notification request, there is no information about failureover_segment, it contains host name | 04:44 |
| rkmrHonjo | tpatil: Right. | 04:44 |
| tpatil_ | Are you planning to add a failover_segment in the notification request? | 04:45 |
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| rkmrHonjo | tpatil: No. This feature add failover_segment id to masakari-monitors configuration file. And it will be used for host registration. | 04:45 |
| rkmrHonjo | This feature doesn't change notification API. | 04:46 |
| tpatil_ | Ok, so masakari-monitors will call Add host Restful API to add this host in a particular failover_segment, correct? | 04:46 |
| rkmrHonjo | tpatil: correct. | 04:46 |
| tpatil_ | rkmrHonjo: Make sense | 04:47 |
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| rkmrHonjo | tpatil: thanks. | 04:48 |
| rkmrHonjo | By the way, implementation was already submitted. | 04:48 |
| rkmrHonjo | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/486484/ | 04:48 |
| rkmrHonjo | OK, let's go to next item. | 04:49 |
| rkmrHonjo | Next item is..."masakari-manage db purge": support for purging notification records" | 04:49 |
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| tpatil_ | Specs are approved, implementation patch is up for review | 04:50 |
| tpatil_ | #link: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/487430/ | 04:50 |
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| rkmrHonjo | Dinesh_Bhor: I wrote some comments for that patch. Please check it. | 04:51 |
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| Dinesh_Bhor | rkmrHonjo: yes, I will, thanks | 04:52 |
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| rkmrHonjo | OK. Any other items? | 04:53 |
| Dinesh_Bhor | To enable Openstack proposal bot for masakari project, first we need to make all masakari projects python 3.5 compatible: https://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/requirements/tree/README.rst#n265. | 04:54 |
| Dinesh_Bhor | So for this I have submitted below patches in python-masakariclient and masakari-monitors: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/489118/, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/489117/ | 04:55 |
| tpatil_ | Dinesh_Bhor: I will review these patches | 04:55 |
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| rkmrHonjo | Dinesh_Bhor: thanks. I'll review these, too. | 04:55 |
| Dinesh_Bhor | tpatil_, rkmrHonjo: thanks you | 04:56 |
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| rkmrHonjo | Let's go to AOB. | 04:56 |
| rkmrHonjo | #topic AOB | 04:56 |
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| rkmrHonjo | Do you have items to discuss? | 04:57 |
| tpatil_ | Do you think adding a horizon plugin for masakari project will be useful for operator? | 04:57 |
| tpatil_ | In this plugin, it should be possible to add entities like failover segment, host etc. | 04:57 |
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| rkmrHonjo | I think that will be useful. | 04:58 |
| Dinesh_Bhor | and check notification statuses | 04:58 |
| tpatil_ | but most importantly, we should display the failover segment in graphical representation which will help operator to know if any of the hosts is in failed state | 04:58 |
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| tpatil_ | if it's in failed state, on click on that node, it will show all information about the current status of the notification to the operator | 04:59 |
| rkmrHonjo | By the way...Some operators said that finding host is hard when they forgot relationships. | 05:00 |
| rkmrHonjo | oops, time is over. | 05:00 |
| rkmrHonjo | If you want to continue discussion, please talk it in ML or openstack-masakari channel. | 05:00 |
| rkmrHonjo | thank you for all... | 05:01 |
| tpatil_ | ok | 05:01 |
| rkmrHonjo | #endmeeting | 05:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Aug 1 05:01:28 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 05:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/masakari/2017/masakari.2017-08-01-04.05.html | 05:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/masakari/2017/masakari.2017-08-01-04.05.txt | 05:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/masakari/2017/masakari.2017-08-01-04.05.log.html | 05:01 |
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| yuval | #startmeeting karbor | 09:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Aug 1 09:00:24 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is yuval. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 09:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 09:00 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: karbor)" | 09:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'karbor' | 09:00 |
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| yuval | Hello everybody and welcome to Karbor's biweekly meeting | 09:00 |
| chenying | hi | 09:00 |
| liujiong | hi yuanying chenying | 09:01 |
| yuval | hey chenying | 09:01 |
| liujiong | hi yuval | 09:01 |
| zhonghua2 | hi | 09:01 |
| yuval | hey liujiong | 09:01 |
| liujiong | :) | 09:01 |
| yushb | hey | 09:01 |
| yuval | hey yushb | 09:02 |
| jiaopengju | hi | 09:02 |
| yuval | #info chenying liujiong yushb jiaopengju in meeting | 09:02 |
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| yuval | good to see all of you here | 09:02 |
| edisonxiang | hello:) | 09:02 |
| yuval | hey edisonxiang! | 09:02 |
| chenying | #info zhonghua2 | 09:02 |
| edisonxiang | hello yuval | 09:03 |
| yuval | #info zhonghua2 edisonxiang in meeting | 09:03 |
| yuval | Let's start with the first topic on the agenda | 09:03 |
| yuval | #topic Pike Status | 09:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Pike Status (Meeting topic: karbor)" | 09:04 | |
| yuval | Next week is RC1 target week | 09:04 |
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| yuval | and on August 21th we enter final RC week | 09:05 |
| chenying | yuval So the feature patches need be merged this week? | 09:05 |
| yuval | we have made quite a progress in the last two weeks | 09:05 |
| yuval | chenying: this week or the next | 09:05 |
| chenying | ok. | 09:06 |
| yuval | chenying: the RC will be created at the end of next week, afaik | 09:06 |
| yuval | if there are any patches you think should be merged, please say so | 09:07 |
| yuval | I'm currently aware about the operation log patches, the heat patches | 09:07 |
| chenying | Operation Engine: Support Trigger Multi Node what about this patch? | 09:08 |
| yuval | chenying: as you pointed out to me, more work is required on that. I'll try to finish by the end of next week | 09:08 |
| chenying | It seems that it need be updated. | 09:08 |
| chenying | yuval Sound good. | 09:09 |
| yuval | anything else? | 09:09 |
| jiaopengju | I will try to add retry for s3 bank plugin | 09:10 |
| chenying | There is a topic submitted by | 09:10 |
| chenying | yushb. | 09:10 |
| yuval | jiaopengju: hope to see this one | 09:10 |
| yuval | chenying: getting to it next | 09:10 |
| jiaopengju | yuval: ok | 09:10 |
| yuval | another thing | 09:10 |
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| yuval | The Sydney summit is on, and the voting for talks is open | 09:11 |
| yuval | https://www.openstack.org/summit/sydney-2017/vote-for-speakers | 09:11 |
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| yuval | A few sessions about Karbor have been submitted. You can use search for "Karbor" to see them | 09:11 |
| yuval | if there is any talk you'd like to hear, please vote for it | 09:11 |
| yuval | #topic Barbican integration | 09:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Barbican integration (Meeting topic: karbor)" | 09:12 | |
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| yushb | yes, I added this topic. | 09:13 |
| yuval | that's by yushb? | 09:13 |
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| yuval | go ahead :) | 09:13 |
| yushb | we want to integrate barbican to backup keys | 09:13 |
| chenying | yushb Can you give some usecases about it? | 09:14 |
| yuval | yushb: to be honest, I'm not very familiar with barbican. Does barbican have some sort of backup, or would you like to backup them to the bank? | 09:14 |
| liujiong | barbican is key manager service in openstack, currently it doesn't have backup function implemented yet. | 09:15 |
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| liujiong | Does karbor require the backup function implemented in barbican side? | 09:16 |
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| yuval | liujiong: not really. But some services do have their own backup API (i.e Cinder), and that's something Karbor can support | 09:17 |
| liujiong | ok, actually, backing up key materials is a normal usecase. That's why we're seeking the possibility to integrate with karbor. | 09:18 |
| chenying | yushb The the backup function about barbican resource could be implemented in plugins. It can call backup api like cinder, or you can implement it in plugin it self. | 09:19 |
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| yushb | chenying yeah, I know about it. | 09:20 |
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| yuval | Placing the keys in the bank + metadata sounds quite easy. What about security? Is it used to backup private keys as well? | 09:20 |
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| chenying | https://ethercalc.openstack.org/karbor-queens it seem that the task 'Support barbican protection plugin | 09:21 |
| chenying | ' has been added to this link. | 09:21 |
| yuval | looking at barbican's api, maybe I mean: we intend to backup the secret payload, right? Placing it in the bank as is, seem to induce a security issue | 09:21 |
| chandankumar | Hello, | 09:22 |
| liujiong | yuval: yep, indeed backing up private key is something need discussion | 09:22 |
| chenying | hi chandankumar | 09:23 |
| chandankumar | chenying: i was checking karbor project there is no tempest plugin there | 09:23 |
| chandankumar | chenying: is there any plan to add create tempest plugin in a seperate repo for karbor in Queens cycle? | 09:24 |
| chenying | Yes karbor only have fullstack tests. | 09:24 |
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| chandankumar | chenying: sorry what is fullstack tests? | 09:24 |
| yuval | chandankumar: we are now discussing barbican integration. Mind discussing tempest after that? | 09:25 |
| chandankumar | yuval: sure | 09:25 |
| yuval | chandankumar: thanks | 09:25 |
| yuval | yushb: liujiong: any idea about storing secret payload on the bank? | 09:25 |
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| liujiong | yuval: you mean karbor as a storage backend for barbican? | 09:27 |
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| liujiong | yuval: what's bank plugin used for? | 09:28 |
| yuval | liujiong: Karbor is using the bank (i.e swift, s3, etc.) for storing backup metadata and sometimes data itself (depending on the protection plugin). One possible implementation for Barbican secrets would be, store the secret payload and metadata on the bank. | 09:28 |
| yuval | liujiong: = store the data on swift or s3 (for example) | 09:28 |
| yuval | liujiong: this induces a security issue: anyone with access to the bank could get the secret payload | 09:29 |
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| liujiong | yuval: ok, so people can access bank means they can access all the data stored in bank? | 09:32 |
| yuval | liujiong: I guess there are other solutions. Maybe ask the Barbican backend store for an encrypted dump | 09:32 |
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| jiaopengju | yuval liujiong: maybe we can store it as binary file? | 09:33 |
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| yuval | jiaopengju: sounds good, but that binary file must be encrypted, right? | 09:34 |
| yushb | yuval : Now in barbican service, keys are stored after encrypted. | 09:34 |
| jiaopengju | yuval: it seems yes | 09:36 |
| yuval | yushb: afaik, they are stored in a backend secret store https://docs.openstack.org/barbican/latest/install/barbican-backend.html | 09:36 |
| yuval | yushb: a few problems with that: | 09:36 |
| liujiong | yuval jiaopengju: then another problem, how to protect the encryption keys of karbor. | 09:36 |
| chenying | liujiong: can the encrypted data can be restore by barbican service directly? | 09:36 |
| yuval | yushb: 1. we don't want to speak to the backend store, behind barbican's back | 09:36 |
| yuval | yushb: 2. we would be able to restore only into the same backend store | 09:37 |
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| yuval | liujiong: good point | 09:37 |
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| yuval | I'll have to stop here and move to the next subject, but there is plenty to continue to speak about. I suggest we meet in Karbor channel, tomorrow at 07:00 UTC (15:00 China time) to discuss it in depth | 09:38 |
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| yuval | liujiong: jiaopengju: jiaopengju: chenying: are you ok with that? | 09:39 |
| liujiong | yuval: fine with me | 09:39 |
| yuval | yushb: | 09:39 |
| yushb | fine | 09:39 |
| chenying | sure | 09:39 |
| jiaopengju | ok | 09:39 |
| yuval | great | 09:39 |
| yuval | will move to tempest chandankumar | 09:40 |
| yuval | #topic Tempest | 09:40 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Tempest (Meeting topic: karbor)" | 09:40 | |
| yuval | chandankumar: Currently Karbor uses a DSVM gate and tests Karbor's APIs without tempest | 09:40 |
| chandankumar | yuval: is there any plan to use tempest plugin in future? | 09:41 |
| chenying | IMO they are repetitive about integration tests. | 09:42 |
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| yuval | chandankumar: tbh, a bit embarassing, but I'm not very familiar with tempest | 09:43 |
| chandankumar | yuval: no problem i was asking because in queens there is a tempest split goal to a seperate repo, i am volunteering for the same | 09:44 |
| liujiong | looks like fullstack is integration test | 09:44 |
| chandankumar | yuval: tempest provides a set of stable api through which you can create tempest plugin | 09:44 |
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| chandankumar | through plugin tempest discovers the tests and all the api/scenario tests related to karbor will resides with the plugin | 09:45 |
| yuval | #link https://governance.openstack.org/tc/goals/queens/split-tempest-plugins.html | 09:45 |
| chandankumar | yuval: since there is currently on tempest plugin in karbor so there is no issue | 09:45 |
| yuval | chandankumar: thanks for pointing that out | 09:45 |
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| yuval | chandankumar: adding a tempest plugin for karbor means that we have to be aware of the split and do it correctly, I guess | 09:46 |
| chandankumar | yuval: but if you need any help, please let me know i will be hanging around on #openstack-qa channel | 09:46 |
| chandankumar | yuval: yes | 09:46 |
| yuval | chandankumar: that's great, thank you :D | 09:47 |
| chandankumar | yuval: since there is no tempest plugin for karbor so creating it from scratch is not hard | 09:47 |
| yuval | #topic Open Discussion | 09:47 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: karbor)" | 09:47 | |
| yuval | Anything else you would like to speak about? | 09:47 |
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| yuval | thanks for attending :) | 09:49 |
| yuval | #endmeeting | 09:49 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 09:49 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Aug 1 09:49:15 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 09:49 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/karbor/2017/karbor.2017-08-01-09.00.html | 09:49 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/karbor/2017/karbor.2017-08-01-09.00.txt | 09:49 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/karbor/2017/karbor.2017-08-01-09.00.log.html | 09:49 |
| liujiong | yuval: thank you! | 09:49 |
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| Qiming | #startmeeting senlin | 13:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Aug 1 13:00:25 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Qiming. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: senlin)" | 13:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'senlin' | 13:00 |
| Qiming | evening | 13:00 |
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| chohoor | Hi | 13:00 |
| ruijie | hi Qiming | 13:00 |
| Qiming | hi, chohoor, ruijie | 13:01 |
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| Qiming | evening, elynn | 13:01 |
| elynn | Hi Qiming | 13:02 |
| Qiming | I don't have specific agenda for this meeting | 13:02 |
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| elynn | How is your princess ? Saw your pics in wechat. | 13:02 |
| Qiming | if you have topics, feel free to add them here: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/SenlinAgenda | 13:02 |
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| Qiming | veeeeeeeery naughty | 13:03 |
| Qiming | uncontrollable | 13:03 |
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| elynn | I dont ,just to ask about my patch. | 13:03 |
| elynn | haha, your gene is in it | 13:03 |
| Qiming | that big one | 13:03 |
| ruijie | I got questions about zone placement policy & health manager ~ | 13:03 |
| elynn | about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/467108/ | 13:04 |
| Qiming | +677, -343 | 13:04 |
| elynn | Will any one of you could review and test.... | 13:04 |
| Qiming | have you tested it? | 13:04 |
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| elynn | I test some basic functions, create ports ,create floating IPs, at least it works fine | 13:04 |
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| Qiming | great | 13:05 |
| elynn | basic update. | 13:05 |
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| elynn | I will add you all to review this patch later :) | 13:06 |
| Qiming | that is fair | 13:06 |
| elynn | When is the RC? | 13:06 |
| chohoor | I want to discuss some details about fast scaling and standby nodes. | 13:07 |
| elynn | Also I'm working on k8s this week, hopefully I can get a running k8s this week with kubeadm. | 13:07 |
| Qiming | chohoor, later | 13:07 |
| Qiming | RC1 is next week | 13:07 |
| elynn | That's all from my part :) | 13:08 |
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| Qiming | okay, thanks | 13:08 |
| Qiming | final rc is aug 28-sep 01 | 13:08 |
| Qiming | oh, no, aug 21-aug 25 | 13:08 |
| Qiming | aug 28 is final release | 13:08 |
| elynn | okay, I see. | 13:09 |
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| Qiming | okay, let's switch to chohoor's proposal | 13:09 |
| Qiming | fast scaling of clusters | 13:09 |
| Qiming | it is a great idea | 13:09 |
| Qiming | although there are some details to be discussed | 13:09 |
| chohoor | I have write a spec in doc. | 13:10 |
| Qiming | I've read it | 13:10 |
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| chohoor | In todo list, the num of standby nodes is max_size - desired_capacity, but I think if the max_size is too big.... | 13:11 |
| Qiming | say I have a cluster created: min=10, max=20 | 13:11 |
| Qiming | how many standby nodes should we create at the very beginning? | 13:12 |
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| chohoor | i think it shuould specify by user. | 13:13 |
| Qiming | right, that was my point | 13:13 |
| chohoor | but less than max_size | 13:13 |
| Qiming | maybe we can put that constraint aside | 13:14 |
| Qiming | let's focus on user's experience | 13:14 |
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| Qiming | if I'm a user, am I supposed to be aware of how many standby nodes there? | 13:14 |
| chohoor | that's ok | 13:14 |
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| Qiming | can we share standby nodes among two or more clusters? | 13:15 |
| chohoor | yes, I think use should know that. | 13:15 |
| chohoor | No, the profile is diffrent. | 13:16 |
| Qiming | profile can be the same | 13:16 |
| ruijie | the properties are very different | 13:16 |
| Qiming | say I have created two clusters from the same profile | 13:16 |
| ruijie | like the disk type, network .etc | 13:16 |
| Qiming | right, they could be ... | 13:16 |
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| chohoor | maybe the cluster should have own standby nodes. | 13:17 |
| Qiming | okay ... if we agree that standby nodes are still members of a cluster | 13:17 |
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| Qiming | and they are visible to the cluster's owner | 13:18 |
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| Qiming | are you gonna charge them for these standby nodes? | 13:18 |
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| chohoor | yes, we need make sure standby nodes in active state. | 13:19 |
| Qiming | that would lead us to another question: if the user is consuming additional resources, why don't we charge them? | 13:20 |
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| Qiming | if we charge them, they would be confused at least ... because they are not "running" workloads on those standby nodes | 13:21 |
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| ruijie | and if they costs extra money, why not just create extra nodes .. | 13:22 |
| Qiming | yes | 13:23 |
| chohoor | I have think this question, the standby nodes is for standby, but if the nodes in cluster is error, we could replace them immediately. | 13:23 |
| Qiming | so ... one of the key question to answer is about the definition of "standby" | 13:23 |
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| Qiming | if you allocate 10 nodes, all active, but only treat 8 of them as member of your cluster, the other 2 are only for "standby" | 13:25 |
| Qiming | then why don't you run workloads on them as well? | 13:25 |
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| chohoor | you are right. i'll continue to consider. | 13:27 |
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| Qiming | one baby step is for this case | 13:28 |
| Qiming | suppose I have 10 nodes running now | 13:28 |
| Qiming | my cluster have min=5, max=15 | 13:29 |
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| Qiming | for whatever reason, I want to scale it in by 2 nodes now, that means I'm setting the desired_capacity to 8 | 13:29 |
| Qiming | removing 2 nodes from the cluster | 13:30 |
| Qiming | we can lazily remove those nodes | 13:30 |
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| Qiming | if later on I want to scale the cluster back to 10 nodes, I can reuse them | 13:30 |
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| Qiming | sounds the idea is very similar to yours | 13:31 |
| chohoor | remove the nodes to standby nodes first, then real delete them? | 13:31 |
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| ruijie | Qiming, you mean keep them for a while, but still will be removed for a user defined period ? | 13:31 |
| Qiming | let the cluster owner decide for how long we will keep those nodes | 13:31 |
| chohoor | ok | 13:32 |
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| Qiming | because we have node-delete API, user can still delete them at will at any time | 13:32 |
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| Qiming | this use case is less risky because we are sure the nodes are homogeneous | 13:33 |
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| Qiming | we are sure the nodes are configured the same way | 13:33 |
| Qiming | we are sure there won't be data leaked from one user to another | 13:34 |
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| Qiming | if there are such extra nodes, we may want to stop them instead of deleting them | 13:35 |
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| Qiming | that leads us back to the definition of "standby" nodes | 13:36 |
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| chohoor | I'll rewrite the spec and please give me more suggest in irc later. thank you. | 13:38 |
| Qiming | my pleasure | 13:38 |
| Qiming | just want to be sure that we have thought it through before writing the code | 13:38 |
| chohoor | sure | 13:39 |
| ruijie | is it my turn now :) | 13:40 |
| Qiming | anything else? | 13:40 |
| Qiming | shoot | 13:40 |
| chohoor | and another question, about protect a special node not to be delete. | 13:40 |
| ruijie | yes Qiming, the first one is this patch : https://review.openstack.org/#/c/481670/ | 13:40 |
| chohoor | your turn. | 13:41 |
| ruijie | the change will rerun the actions which is action.status = READY | 13:41 |
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| ruijie | thah is caused by failed to acquire lock | 13:41 |
| Qiming | yes | 13:42 |
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| ruijie | but it will try to process the action again and again .. | 13:42 |
| ruijie | the cluster is still locked in this period .. that will create a lot of events? | 13:42 |
| Qiming | what do you mean by "again and again" | 13:42 |
| Qiming | what is the interval? | 13:42 |
| ruijie | 0 sec | 13:43 |
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| Qiming | so .. that is the problem | 13:43 |
| ruijie | yes Qiming | 13:43 |
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| Qiming | or we should add a global option lock_max_retries | 13:43 |
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| ruijie | and maybe a lock_retry_interval .. | 13:44 |
| Qiming | :) | 13:44 |
| Qiming | maybe both | 13:44 |
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| Qiming | the logic is not incorrect, just it ... is too frequent, too noisy | 13:45 |
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| Qiming | chohoor, you want to "lock" a node? | 13:46 |
| ruijie | improvement is needed :) | 13:46 |
| chohoor | yes | 13:46 |
| Qiming | use case? | 13:47 |
| chohoor | A node not to be delete. | 13:47 |
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| chohoor | maybe this is a special node in user point... | 13:47 |
| Qiming | sounds like a use case of node roles | 13:48 |
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| chohoor | In tencent cloud, user could add a normal instance to cluster as a node. | 13:49 |
| chohoor | and the code could be protect not to be delete. | 13:49 |
| chohoor | s/code/node/ | 13:50 |
| ruijie | like node adoption | 13:50 |
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| Qiming | who is deleting it then? if the user doesn't want to delete it? | 13:50 |
| chohoor | auto scale, because it could be random | 13:51 |
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| chohoor | or oldest first policy. | 13:52 |
| Qiming | I see | 13:52 |
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| elynn | So by 'protect' here just mean cluster scaling actions won't delete it, but this node still can be deleted by 'node delete' command? | 13:52 |
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| Qiming | so it is gonna be some label or tag that will change some action's behavior | 13:53 |
| chohoor | elynn: i think so | 13:53 |
| elynn | yes, I guess. | 13:53 |
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| Qiming | alright, please think if we can use node.role for this purpose | 13:54 |
| elynn | a 'protect' tag, will exclude it from scaling candidate list. | 13:54 |
| Qiming | because ... that is a more general solution | 13:54 |
| Qiming | em ... we don't support tags yet | 13:55 |
| chohoor | ok | 13:55 |
| Qiming | maybe we should | 13:55 |
| chohoor | metedata? | 13:55 |
| Qiming | no objection on implemeting tags | 13:55 |
| Qiming | metadata is also fine | 13:55 |
| Qiming | say 'protected: true' | 13:56 |
| chohoor | if a node in protected state, what if the cluster/node execute update action? | 13:57 |
| Qiming | feel free to propose a solution then | 13:57 |
| elynn | Need to think about health policy, can we rebuild it? | 13:57 |
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| chohoor | I suggest not. | 13:57 |
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| elynn | Then update should also be rejected I guess? | 13:58 |
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| Qiming | ... | 13:59 |
| chohoor | just don't update the protected node. | 13:59 |
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| Qiming | thanks guys | 13:59 |
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| XueFeng | hi, senlin rdo has been finished | 13:59 |
| XueFeng | https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1426551 | 13:59 |
| openstack | bugzilla.redhat.com bug 1426551 in Package Review "Review Request: Senlin - is a clustering service for OpenStack" [Unspecified,Closed: errata] - Assigned to amoralej | 13:59 |
| Qiming | we are running out of time | 13:59 |
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| Qiming | #endmeeting | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Aug 1 14:00:00 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/senlin/2017/senlin.2017-08-01-13.00.html | 14:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/senlin/2017/senlin.2017-08-01-13.00.txt | 14:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/senlin/2017/senlin.2017-08-01-13.00.log.html | 14:00 |
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| jlibosva | #startmeeting networking | 14:00 |
| yushiro | hi | 14:00 |
| amotoki | hi | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Aug 1 14:00:24 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jlibosva. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| haleyb | hi | 14:00 |
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| jlibosva | hello everybody | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: networking)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking' | 14:00 |
| jlibosva | #topic Announcements | 14:00 |
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| jlibosva | The pike 3 milestone happened last week | 14:01 |
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| jlibosva | If you're working on a feature that didn't make it to p3 milestone and you think it should go to Pike, you can ask for a feature freeze exception | 14:01 |
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| jlibosva | next one | 14:02 |
| amotoki | dev mail on FFE http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-July/120340.html | 14:02 |
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| jlibosva | amotoki: thanks :) | 14:02 |
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| jlibosva | PTG is happening next month in Denver, CO | 14:03 |
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| jlibosva | please see email from Kevin: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-July/120270.html | 14:03 |
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| jlibosva | there is a link to etherpad where, if you're gonna attend the event, you can write down your name. It also serves as a place to collect topics to discuss | 14:04 |
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| jlibosva | The deadline to get travel support is this week | 14:04 |
| jlibosva | I also saw an email that User Committee nomination was started: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-August/120393.html | 14:05 |
| jlibosva | so if you feel like, you can self-nominate yourself :) | 14:05 |
| jlibosva | that's all from me, anybody has anything to announce? | 14:05 |
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| amotoki | in addition, PTL self-nomination week | 14:06 |
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| -amotoki- thinks perhaps no announce is needed though | 14:06 | |
| jlibosva | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-August/120383.html | 14:07 |
| jlibosva | if nobody has other announcements to make, we can move on | 14:07 |
| jlibosva | #topic Blueprints | 14:07 |
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| jlibosva | I'm not sure there is anything to discuss here as we're in FF :) | 14:08 |
| jlibosva | so unless anybody has anything to say about blueprints, we will skip this topic | 14:08 |
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| jlibosva | ok | 14:09 |
| jlibosva | #topic Bugs and gate failures | 14:09 |
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| jlibosva | amotoki: you were the bug deputy? | 14:09 |
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| haleyb | i was bug deputy | 14:09 |
| jlibosva | aah | 14:09 |
| jlibosva | haleyb: hi :) | 14:09 |
| * jlibosva mixed Jun and Jul | 14:09 | |
| amotoki | i think the wiki page is not updated recently :( | 14:09 |
| jlibosva | yeah, I'll update it after meeting | 14:10 |
| haleyb | i think most bugs have been triaged, i'm going through the backlog now | 14:10 |
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| haleyb | the one that's still an issue is sometimes there are multi-node job failures, mostly non-voting jobs | 14:11 |
| haleyb | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1707003 | 14:11 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1707003 in neutron "gate-tempest-dsvm-neutron-dvr-ha-multinode-full-ubuntu-xenial-nv job has a very high failure rate" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to Brian Haley (brian-haley) | 14:11 |
| haleyb | i own that and continue to work on it | 14:11 |
| jlibosva | haleyb: are there any particular test that are failing? | 14:12 |
| haleyb | jlibosva: it's sub-node setup failure, we talked about it in last week's CI meeting | 14:13 |
| jlibosva | ah, so more related to infra building stuff than neutron? | 14:13 |
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| jlibosva | ok, if that has an assignee, then it's good :) | 14:14 |
| haleyb | yes, seems so, there was a patch a while ago, but it needs updating. hopefully there is nothing in neutron | 14:14 |
| haleyb | kevin has also been working on log file cleanup, https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1707307 | 14:14 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1707307 in neutron "Neutron log obesity epidepmic" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Kevin Benton (kevinbenton) | 14:14 |
| haleyb | has a few patches out, but if anyone notices other non-essential log messages feel free to remove them | 14:15 |
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| jlibosva | looks like ovsdbapp is chatty :) | 14:15 |
| jlibosva | slightly related to non-voting jobs instability, I sent an email last week calling for a help with one job: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-July/120294.html | 14:16 |
| haleyb | did you get any help? | 14:16 |
| jlibosva | it reveled some real issues in trunk/ovs fw, I'm looking at the bug | 14:16 |
| jlibosva | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1707339 | 14:16 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1707339 in neutron "test_trunk_subport_lifecycle fails on subport down timeout" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Armando Migliaccio (armando-migliaccio) | 14:16 |
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| jlibosva | haleyb: yep, slawek started looking at qos and armax looked at trunk | 14:17 |
| jlibosva | but it would be good to get moar help, so if anybody has spare cycles, there are some failures that need love ;) | 14:17 |
| jlibosva | haleyb: thanks for updates about bugs | 14:18 |
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| haleyb | i did just notice a spike in the functional job, about 30% now | 14:18 |
| haleyb | i hadn't refreshed grafana this morning | 14:18 |
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| haleyb | http://grafana.openstack.org/dashboard/db/neutron-failure-rate?panelId=8&fullscreen | 14:18 |
| ihrachys | func tests are timeouts I believe; I think jlibosva was going to recheck a testing patch to trigger a worker killed | 14:18 |
| jlibosva | yep, I got a hit on my patch but that didn't revealed the killer | 14:19 |
| jlibosva | it looks like the kill was not called via CLI | 14:19 |
| haleyb | jlibosva: is there a bug yet? | 14:19 |
| jlibosva | patch here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/487065/ | 14:19 |
| jlibosva | haleyb: probably not, we should open one | 14:20 |
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| jlibosva | there is this etherpad ihrachys created for all func failures: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-functional-gate-failures-july | 14:20 |
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| jlibosva | any ideas how to nail down what is killing process? | 14:21 |
| jlibosva | the weird thing is that it always happens during firewall tests | 14:21 |
| ihrachys | you say smth not calling .execute() kills testers? | 14:21 |
| jlibosva | something not calling "/usr/bin/kill" | 14:21 |
| jlibosva | which execute() is a subset of | 14:22 |
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| ihrachys | ok maybe it's killall :) | 14:23 |
| ihrachys | do we log all commands? | 14:23 |
| jlibosva | in tests we do | 14:23 |
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| ihrachys | ok, so it's not just kill that you capture | 14:24 |
| ihrachys | anyway, I don't think we will make progress right now | 14:24 |
| ihrachys | let's report the bug as first step | 14:24 |
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| ihrachys | I will take it | 14:24 |
| jlibosva | yeah, sounds good | 14:24 |
| jlibosva | ihrachys: thanks | 14:24 |
| jlibosva | I was just wondering if anybody has a good trick for it :) | 14:25 |
| jlibosva | ok, let's move on from functional failures, we can talk about that at Neutron CI meeting in ~1.5hrs | 14:25 |
| jlibosva | anybody wants to be a bug deputy for this week? | 14:25 |
| jlibosva | it looks like it's not the most favourite role :) | 14:27 |
| haleyb | i will put names on dart board and throw... | 14:27 |
| jlibosva | haleyb: tell me who won | 14:27 |
| jlibosva | or we can open an rfe to openstack bot, to pick names randomly :-p | 14:28 |
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| jlibosva | if nobody wants it, then I'll take it | 14:28 |
| jlibosva | #info jlibosva is a bug deputy for the week of Jul-31 | 14:28 |
| ihrachys | maybe worth talking to PTL if there is a problem of getting candidates | 14:28 |
| jlibosva | good idea | 14:28 |
| jlibosva | let's move on then | 14:29 |
| jlibosva | #topic Docs | 14:29 |
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| jlibosva | amotoki: do you have any updates? I don't see mlavalle here | 14:29 |
| amotoki | we have good progress on doc-migration :) | 14:29 |
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| amotoki | neutron itself have completed the effort. | 14:30 |
| amotoki | we have some projects still having patches on doc-migration | 14:30 |
| amotoki | See | 14:30 |
| amotoki | "Missing URLs" at https://doughellmann.com/doc-migration/ | 14:30 |
| jlibosva | nice :) | 14:30 |
| amotoki | we only have four projects remaining | 14:31 |
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| amotoki | I believe time will solve it | 14:31 |
| amotoki | I already post patches on these remaining things. | 14:31 |
| amotoki | thats' the update on doc-migration | 14:32 |
| jlibosva | sounds good, thanks | 14:32 |
| jlibosva | amotoki: do you think you should reach out to people from those four projects or are you good doing it yourself? | 14:32 |
| amotoki | at some time, we need to discuss on the future of LBaaS document with octavia team | 14:32 |
| amotoki | jlibosva: i already sent the required patches to the four projects | 14:32 |
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| jlibosva | ok :) | 14:33 |
| jlibosva | Anybody has any other updates regarding docs? | 14:33 |
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| jlibosva | if not, we can move to osc | 14:34 |
| jlibosva | #topic Transition to OSC | 14:34 |
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| jlibosva | amotoki: hi :) how are the tags and routers doing? | 14:34 |
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| amotoki | both landed :) yay | 14:34 |
| jlibosva | wow | 14:34 |
| jlibosva | so does it mean all resources now have support in osc? | 14:34 |
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| amotoki | at now, we've migrated all regarding neutron stuff | 14:35 |
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| amotoki | the remaining part is about advanced services (as OSC plugin) | 14:35 |
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| amotoki | I think we can officially discuss and declare when we drop neutron CLI | 14:35 |
| jlibosva | maybe could be a topic at etherpad for the ptg? :) | 14:36 |
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| amotoki | will add it | 14:36 |
| jlibosva | amotoki: thanks | 14:36 |
| jlibosva | amotoki: and thanks for updates and good news :) | 14:36 |
| jlibosva | I think we can move to the lib | 14:36 |
| amotoki | thanks everyone | 14:36 |
| jlibosva | #topic neutron-lib | 14:37 |
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| jlibosva | boden: hello :) | 14:37 |
| boden | hi | 14:37 |
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| boden | just a few minor FYIs | 14:37 |
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| boden | now that neutron-lib 1.9.1 is out, you should see some “consumption” patches coming down the pipeline | 14:38 |
| boden | there are a number of them out already; and more in the works | 14:38 |
| boden | rather than sending a note to the ML for each, I was just going to get them all out there and send a single note | 14:38 |
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| boden | so, any help reviewing is appreciated :) | 14:38 |
| ihrachys | since we are in freeze mode, we probably don't rush with them | 14:39 |
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| boden | ihrachys: ah, so they won’t be able to get in for pike? | 14:39 |
| jlibosva | isn't 1.9.1 the one that's gonna be released with pike? | 14:39 |
| ihrachys | boden, it's probably a question for PTL, but my understanding is that now we allow features with exceptions approved by drivers team + bug fixes | 14:39 |
| boden | jlibosva: yes that’s my understanding, but here I was talking aobut neutron and other project patches (not lib) | 14:40 |
| boden | ihrachys: ack thanks | 14:40 |
| ihrachys | that being said, I saw patches landing that are of other type | 14:40 |
| jlibosva | boden: aah, sorry, I misunderstood | 14:40 |
| ihrachys | I assume those are mistakes | 14:40 |
| boden | ihrachys: I’ll follow up with kevin later | 14:40 |
| amotoki | refactoring is really a gray zone | 14:40 |
| amotoki | if it help us backports to Pike a lot, it might be acceptable. | 14:41 |
| amotoki | anyway it loosk like a question to kevin | 14:41 |
| boden | that’s really all I have that’s worth taking everyones time | 14:41 |
| jlibosva | I'll have a chat with him tomorrow EMEA morning, I'll deliver the message | 14:41 |
| jlibosva | boden: thanks for updates | 14:41 |
| jlibosva | anybody has anything to neutron-lib? | 14:42 |
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| jlibosva | #topic open discussion | 14:42 |
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| jlibosva | any topics to discuss here or we can end the meeting earlier :) | 14:43 |
| ihrachys | go for it | 14:43 |
| jlibosva | thanks everyone for coming :) | 14:44 |
| jlibosva | #endmeeting | 14:44 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 14:44 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Aug 1 14:44:31 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:44 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2017/networking.2017-08-01-14.00.html | 14:44 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2017/networking.2017-08-01-14.00.txt | 14:44 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2017/networking.2017-08-01-14.00.log.html | 14:44 |
| annp | thanks, bye | 14:44 |
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| davidsha | Hi | 15:00 |
| slaweq | hello | 15:01 |
| ralonsoh | hi | 15:01 |
| ralonsoh | Let's start | 15:01 |
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| slaweq | ok | 15:01 |
| ralonsoh | #openstack-meeting | 15:01 |
| ralonsoh | #startmeeting neutron_qos | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Aug 1 15:01:44 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ralonsoh. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_qos)" | 15:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_qos' | 15:01 |
| ralonsoh | Ufff bad command | 15:01 |
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| ralonsoh | Just for information | 15:02 |
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| ralonsoh | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron_qos_meeting_chair | 15:02 |
| ralonsoh | #topic RFEs | 15:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "RFEs (Meeting topic: neutron_qos)" | 15:02 | |
| ralonsoh | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1578989 | 15:02 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1578989 in neutron "[RFE] Strict minimum bandwidth support (egress)" [Wishlist,In progress] - Assigned to Rodolfo Alonso (rodolfo-alonso-hernandez) | 15:02 |
| ralonsoh | slaweq, I don't see mlavalle here | 15:02 |
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| ralonsoh | This spec needs to be re-approved this cycle | 15:02 |
| ralonsoh | but we need to work on this | 15:03 |
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| ralonsoh | Do you mind to wait until the PTG? | 15:03 |
| ralonsoh | We can talk to ajo and mlavalle too | 15:03 |
| slaweq | 'this cycle' - You mean Queens, right? | 15:03 |
| ralonsoh | Yes | 15:03 |
| ralonsoh | for queens | 15:03 |
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| davidsha | Sure. | 15:03 |
| slaweq | yes, we should have time to talk about it in Denver | 15:03 |
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| ralonsoh | perfect, because I need to clarify some aspects of the spec made by ajo | 15:04 |
| slaweq | ajo was today on IRC | 15:04 |
| ralonsoh | and, finally, we could start coding (the first patch has a +2, but need rebase) | 15:04 |
| slaweq | so maybe You will be able to catch him | 15:04 |
| ralonsoh | yes, I talked to him | 15:04 |
| davidsha | Fixing a Devstack issue if I recall. | 15:04 |
| ralonsoh | yes, he will be and he'll have time for this | 15:04 |
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| ralonsoh | yes, related with the kernel version of centos/rh | 15:05 |
| ralonsoh | ok so, this rfe for Denver | 15:05 |
| slaweq | ok | 15:05 |
| ralonsoh | next, one | 15:05 |
| ralonsoh | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1596611 | 15:05 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1596611 in neutron "[RFE] Create L3 IPs with qos (rate limit)" [Wishlist,Triaged] - Assigned to LIU Yulong (dragon889) | 15:05 |
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| ralonsoh | 2 patches: | 15:05 |
| ralonsoh | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/453458/ | 15:05 |
| ralonsoh | This one is the TC implementation | 15:06 |
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| ralonsoh | slaweq, davidsha: can you take a look at this one? | 15:06 |
| slaweq | sure | 15:06 |
| ralonsoh | LIU submitted a new version | 15:06 |
| davidsha | ralonsoh: sure | 15:06 |
| ralonsoh | As is commented in the patch, I think the code is ok | 15:06 |
| ralonsoh | but | 15:06 |
| ralonsoh | I don't agree with spliting the TC code | 15:06 |
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| ralonsoh | second | 15:07 |
| ralonsoh | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/424466/ | 15:07 |
| ralonsoh | waiting for my comments | 15:07 |
| slaweq | me neighter but I will check it once again | 15:07 |
| ralonsoh | but please, if you have time, take a look at this second patch | 15:07 |
| ralonsoh | slaweq: you know about adding qos extensions hehehe | 15:07 |
| slaweq | yes | 15:08 |
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| slaweq | I will check it today evening | 15:08 |
| ralonsoh | thanks!! | 15:08 |
| davidsha | I was looking over the second patch, was wondering should this be an l3 extension but I'll go over it more thoroughly. | 15:08 |
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| ralonsoh | davidsha: I have this doubt too. But this is going to use the QoS API | 15:09 |
| ralonsoh | and needs to be aligned with L2 QoS | 15:09 |
| davidsha | ralonsoh: It can use the QoS API and use an l3 extension. | 15:09 |
| davidsha | and an L2 extension as well. | 15:10 |
| ralonsoh | how? | 15:10 |
| davidsha | L2 agent, L3 agent and q-svc all listen on RPC right? | 15:10 |
| ralonsoh | yes | 15:11 |
| davidsha | Just make an L3 extension for QoS that listens to QoS events. | 15:11 |
| davidsha | Same as L2 and only acts on the L3 qos rules. | 15:11 |
| ralonsoh | this extension is going to affect only the FIP ports | 15:12 |
| ralonsoh | isn't it? | 15:12 |
| slaweq | sorry but maybe I don't understand, this patch is about API extension and DB, right? | 15:12 |
| ralonsoh | both | 15:13 |
| davidsha | Ah, sorry! | 15:13 |
| slaweq | so about what L2 and L3 extensions are You talking? | 15:13 |
| ralonsoh | FIP qos extension | 15:13 |
| slaweq | API extension, yes? | 15:13 |
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| ralonsoh | davidsha: IMO, the QoS extension (which is in charge of managing the qos rules) should be in charge of managing the qos rules for FIP | 15:14 |
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| davidsha | I'll go over it again, sorry! | 15:14 |
| ralonsoh | and extending fip object | 15:15 |
| slaweq | so, You are talking about to which service plugin it should be added as supported extension, right? | 15:15 |
| ralonsoh | (BTW, FIP is going to be an OVO) | 15:15 |
| ralonsoh | yes | 15:15 |
| slaweq | ok, I understand now | 15:15 |
| slaweq | thx ralonsoh | 15:15 |
| ralonsoh | the point is qos_plugin can attend FIP events | 15:16 |
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| ralonsoh | and talk to ml2 drivers (send the information to the agents) | 15:16 |
| ralonsoh | and modify the qos rules | 15:17 |
| slaweq | but what about validation mechanism for FIP? | 15:17 |
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| slaweq | it is based on vif type | 15:17 |
| slaweq | will it work in same way for FIP like for ports now? | 15:17 |
| ralonsoh | one sec.... | 15:18 |
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| ralonsoh | ok | 15:19 |
| ralonsoh | can we extract the port information from FIP? | 15:19 |
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| ralonsoh | through the network/subnet | 15:19 |
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| slaweq | I don't know for now | 15:19 |
| davidsha | I'm not sure, this is why I was wondering about L3 extensions, fip is handeled by the l3-agent. | 15:20 |
| slaweq | I'm doing "neutron floatingip-show" now on devstack and I don't have port_id | 15:20 |
| ralonsoh | davidsha: the same problem: how do you talk to the agent? | 15:20 |
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| ralonsoh | slaweq: no, you need to talk to the l3 agent to retrieve it | 15:21 |
| ralonsoh | davidsha? | 15:21 |
| slaweq | ralonsoh: ok | 15:21 |
| ralonsoh | can we davidsha? | 15:21 |
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| slaweq | but then what about supported rules? we have for now drivers only for L2 agents | 15:21 |
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| ralonsoh | the l3 router has this information | 15:21 |
| davidsha | ralonsoh: Adding fip RPC events is the only thing I can think of but I'll need to look into it more. | 15:21 |
| davidsha | Listening* to fip rpc events | 15:21 |
| slaweq | we should have separate driver for L3 agent to set there what rules are supported by it | 15:21 |
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| ralonsoh | slaweq: yes, that's the backend implementation | 15:22 |
| slaweq | not only because validation of supported rules is done on server | 15:22 |
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| ralonsoh | slaweq: and you need to have a driver for this | 15:22 |
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| slaweq | so IMHO we will need something like L2/ovs_driver, L2/linuxbridge_driver (we have it now) | 15:23 |
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| slaweq | and also new L3/ovs_driver | 15:23 |
| ralonsoh | slaweq: yes, that's the point | 15:23 |
| davidsha | you need an l3-agent extension in it's entirety to listen for QoS events and then Apply the rules when necessary. | 15:23 |
| slaweq | L3/linuxbridge_driver | 15:23 |
| ralonsoh | slaweq: Lui was interested "only" in LB | 15:24 |
| slaweq | it's fine only for LB for the beginning but we need "base" for that | 15:24 |
| davidsha | ralonsoh: If we do this on the L3-agent, there is only 1 backend. | 15:24 |
| ralonsoh | davidsha: I think is in the other way. QoS listening to FIP events to add/modify/delete rules | 15:24 |
| ralonsoh | davidsha: 1 backend?? | 15:25 |
| davidsha | It just uses IP lib to configure network namespaces for everything. | 15:25 |
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| ralonsoh | davidsha: and your implementation of DVR using OF?? | 15:26 |
| ralonsoh | with OVS | 15:26 |
| davidsha | ralonsoh: Yes, I meant right now. | 15:26 |
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| ralonsoh | davidsha: ok | 15:26 |
| ralonsoh | let me put this in the other way: qos extension with l3/LB | 15:26 |
| davidsha | kk | 15:27 |
| ralonsoh | anyway, the developer is not here and it's not reading this | 15:27 |
| slaweq | I agree it should be qos extension | 15:27 |
| ralonsoh | if any core has time, I will explain both options and ask for feedback | 15:28 |
| ralonsoh | let's move on... agree? | 15:28 |
| slaweq | yes | 15:28 |
| davidsha | agrred | 15:28 |
| ralonsoh | last one | 15:28 |
| ralonsoh | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1649517 | 15:28 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1649517 in neutron "qos policy attached to network, qos_policy_id is reflecting on neutron net-show , but not on the port with neutron port-show" [Wishlist,In progress] - Assigned to Reedip (reedip-banerjee) | 15:28 |
| davidsha | agreed* | 15:28 |
| ralonsoh | reedip needs to have this one approved | 15:28 |
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| slaweq | it's moving forward but slowly | 15:28 |
| ralonsoh | and also he needs to take a look at the fails in jenkins | 15:29 |
| slaweq | he pushed some new patch so I will take a look on it also | 15:29 |
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| ralonsoh | I saw it | 15:29 |
| ralonsoh | but it's failing | 15:29 |
| slaweq | yes | 15:29 |
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| ralonsoh | I prefer to have something working, the errors are easy to solve | 15:29 |
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| ralonsoh | "I prefer to have something working" <-- captain obvious!!! | 15:30 |
| ralonsoh | hehehehe | 15:30 |
| davidsha | :P | 15:30 |
| ralonsoh | anyway, I'll leave a comment in the patch | 15:30 |
| ralonsoh | to push this rfe in the drivers meeting | 15:30 |
| ralonsoh | to be approved | 15:30 |
| ralonsoh | no more rfes! next topic | 15:31 |
| ralonsoh | #topic Bugs | 15:31 |
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| ralonsoh | no bugs | 15:31 |
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| davidsha | Always good. | 15:31 |
| slaweq | \o/ | 15:31 |
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| ralonsoh | well, yamamoto is enabling the qos tests | 15:31 |
| slaweq | yes, I want to check it more deeply | 15:32 |
| ralonsoh | so let's take a look during next days | 15:32 |
| slaweq | but it passes for me each time | 15:32 |
| ralonsoh | I know, you are doing a fantastic work in testing | 15:32 |
| ralonsoh | thanks slaweq | 15:32 |
| slaweq | thanks :) | 15:32 |
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| davidsha | Thanks slaweq | 15:32 |
| ralonsoh | next topic?? | 15:32 |
| slaweq | we also made some small changes (not directly in QoS) to make qos working with py35 | 15:32 |
| slaweq | it's just FYI | 15:33 |
| ralonsoh | can you send the patch? | 15:33 |
| slaweq | patch was for oslo | 15:33 |
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| slaweq | give me 1 second | 15:33 |
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| slaweq | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1701202 | 15:34 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1701202 in neutron "Create QoS rule fails on python 3.5" [Undecided,Fix released] - Assigned to Slawek Kaplonski (slaweq) | 15:34 |
| slaweq | this was this bug | 15:34 |
| slaweq | and it should be fixed already | 15:34 |
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| ralonsoh | yes, now I remember | 15:34 |
| ralonsoh | I closed this bug today | 15:34 |
| ralonsoh | perfect!! | 15:35 |
| slaweq | now all QoS related fullstack tests are passing on py35 | 15:35 |
| davidsha | \o/ | 15:35 |
| ralonsoh | that's great | 15:35 |
| ralonsoh | let's move on | 15:35 |
| ralonsoh | #topic Other Changes | 15:35 |
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| ralonsoh | I have in the cheat sheet | 15:36 |
| ralonsoh | "Ask slaweq infra-shade patch" | 15:36 |
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| slaweq | I started adding support for QoS in openstack-shade client | 15:36 |
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| slaweq | it's almost done | 15:36 |
| ralonsoh | I saw this | 15:36 |
| ralonsoh | An I think the code is ok | 15:36 |
| slaweq | I'm still missing min bw rules | 15:36 |
| slaweq | and this new call with supported rule details | 15:36 |
| ralonsoh | yes, very nice | 15:37 |
| ralonsoh | one question | 15:37 |
| slaweq | later I will have to add some functional tests for all of it also | 15:37 |
| slaweq | yes ralonsoh? | 15:37 |
| ralonsoh | you don't test if a call is made without one needed parameter | 15:37 |
| ralonsoh | for example, missing min_bw | 15:37 |
| slaweq | that's good point | 15:38 |
| slaweq | I will check it and maybe also fix it for bw limit also | 15:38 |
| ralonsoh | I don't have experience on this project, but when I took a look I missed that | 15:38 |
| ralonsoh | just for info hehehe | 15:38 |
| ralonsoh | I think that's all folks | 15:39 |
| ralonsoh | anything else? | 15:39 |
| slaweq | yes, I will add such checks also | 15:39 |
| slaweq | thx | 15:39 |
| slaweq | I have one question to davidsha | 15:39 |
| davidsha | slaweq: sure | 15:39 |
| slaweq | can You check https://review.openstack.org/#/c/483817/ as native speaker? :) | 15:39 |
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| davidsha | slaweq: Sure! | 15:40 |
| slaweq | thx | 15:40 |
| ralonsoh | hahaha I "use" davidsha for the same porpuse some times hahahahaha | 15:40 |
| slaweq | that's all for me | 15:40 |
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| slaweq | :) | 15:41 |
| davidsha | :P | 15:41 |
| ralonsoh | thanks davidsha, slaweq! | 15:41 |
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| davidsha | Thanks! | 15:41 |
| ralonsoh | #endmeeting | 15:41 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 15:41 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Aug 1 15:41:27 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:41 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_qos/2017/neutron_qos.2017-08-01-15.01.html | 15:41 |
| slaweq | bye | 15:41 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_qos/2017/neutron_qos.2017-08-01-15.01.txt | 15:41 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_qos/2017/neutron_qos.2017-08-01-15.01.log.html | 15:41 |
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| jlibosva | o/ | 16:00 |
| ihrachys | #startmeeting neutron_ci | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Aug 1 16:00:58 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ihrachys. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_ci)" | 16:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_ci' | 16:01 |
| ihrachys | #topic Actions from prev week | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Actions from prev week (Meeting topic: neutron_ci)" | 16:01 | |
| ihrachys | "haleyb to reach out to QA PTL about switching grenade integrated gate to multinode" | 16:01 |
| ihrachys | last comments in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/483600/ suggest there is more leg work there | 16:01 |
| ihrachys | talking to all projects affected | 16:01 |
| * haleyb did, needs to contact additional PTLs to get their sign-off as well | 16:02 | |
| * haleyb is lurking for a few more minutes | 16:02 | |
| ihrachys | #action haleyb to reach out to all affected parties, and FBI, to get multinode grenade by default | 16:02 |
| ihrachys | next is "jlibosva to recheck the tools/kill.sh patch until it hits timeout and report back" | 16:02 |
| jlibosva | I did | 16:03 |
| jlibosva | but didn't find anything useful | 16:03 |
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| ihrachys | I believe on the team meeting today we figured it did not help much | 16:03 |
| jlibosva | sec | 16:03 |
| ihrachys | I reported https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1707933 | 16:03 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1707933 in neutron "functional tests timeout after a test worker killed" [Critical,Confirmed] | 16:03 |
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| jlibosva | I see that worker was killed here: http://logs.openstack.org/65/487065/5/check/gate-neutron-dsvm-functional-ubuntu-xenial/f9b22b8/console.html#_2017-07-31_08_05_43_074447 | 16:03 |
| jlibosva | at 08:05:43 | 16:04 |
| jlibosva | there were 'kill' called around that time, but none with worker's pid | 16:04 |
| ihrachys | what is so special about FirewallTestCase ? | 16:05 |
| ihrachys | or probably BaseFirewallTestCase | 16:05 |
| ihrachys | because ipv6 class also affected | 16:05 |
| jlibosva | what do you mean? | 16:06 |
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| ihrachys | well, almost all breakages have firewall tests timing out in the end, no? | 16:06 |
| ihrachys | so the workers die on running firewall tests | 16:06 |
| jlibosva | it's unclear to me if the test kills itself or it kills other running test | 16:07 |
| jlibosva | but there is a RootHelperProcess class (or something like that) | 16:07 |
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| jlibosva | that takes care of finding correct pid to kill | 16:07 |
| ihrachys | ok, but again, why firewall tests are killed, even if those are not the source of kills? | 16:07 |
| ihrachys | maybe it's just because they are slow? | 16:07 |
| ihrachys | so the chance of hitting them is high? | 16:08 |
| jlibosva | I don't think it has anything to do with how fast they are | 16:08 |
| jlibosva | there is an eventlet timeout per test | 16:08 |
| jlibosva | so slow tests should raise an exception if they don't finish in time | 16:08 |
| jlibosva | IIRC | 16:08 |
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| ihrachys | no, I mean, it seems like we see firewall tests involved when kill happens; it's either because there is some bug in the test; or because a bug happens somewhere else, but it's just that firewall tests take a huge chunk of total time that it hits them so often. | 16:10 |
| jlibosva | aha | 16:10 |
| jlibosva | one interesting thing I just noticed is that the "Killed" message in console is actually almost a minute after last log in the killed test | 16:11 |
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| ihrachys | by the brief look at the log, it doesn't seem that those tests are too long, or their number is huge | 16:11 |
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| jlibosva | maybe I'll also add a ps output to the kill.sh, so we know which process is being killed | 16:12 |
| ihrachys | jlibosva, how do you determine the killed test? the one that is 'inprogress' at the end of the run? | 16:12 |
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| jlibosva | ihrachys: yes, also you can see that e.g. in the console log I sent, executor {3} doesn't run any other tests after Killed message | 16:12 |
| jlibosva | ihrachys: while there are tests from {0} {1] and {2} workers | 16:12 |
| ihrachys | I wonder if this ~1 minute delay stands for other failure instances | 16:13 |
| jlibosva | one other thing would be to change signals in firewall tests to SIGTERM and then register handler in base test class for such signal | 16:13 |
| ihrachys | whatis 'change signals' | 16:14 |
| jlibosva | default uses SIGKILL | 16:14 |
| jlibosva | for killing nc processes that are used to test whether traffic can or cannot pass through | 16:14 |
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| jlibosva | so if we change from SIGKILL to SIGTERM, we would be able to catch it and reveal more info | 16:16 |
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| jlibosva | what do you think? | 16:17 |
| ihrachys | sorry, I am not that into the test, so I can't find which piece of it starts nc | 16:17 |
| ihrachys | oh that's assert_connection ? | 16:17 |
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| ihrachys | ok I see where it finally bubbles down to RootHelperProcess | 16:19 |
| jlibosva | ihrachys: it's NetcatTester | 16:19 |
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| jlibosva | anyways, I'll try to come up with some more patches, we've already spent a lot of meeting time on this :) | 16:21 |
| jlibosva | we can come up with ideas on the LP eventually | 16:21 |
| ihrachys | ok | 16:21 |
| ihrachys | next was "haleyb to look at why dvr grenade flavour surged to 30% failure rate comparing to 0% for other grenades" | 16:21 |
| ihrachys | I don't think there was progress on that one? | 16:22 |
| ihrachys | ok let's repeat it, haleyb is probably gone | 16:23 |
| ihrachys | #action haleyb to look at why dvr grenade flavour surged to 30% failure rate comparing to 0% for other grenades | 16:23 |
| ihrachys | oh I missed one | 16:23 |
| ihrachys | "jlibosva to classify current scenario failures and send email to openstack-dev@ asking for help" | 16:23 |
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| jlibosva | I did and did | 16:23 |
| ihrachys | I saw the email | 16:24 |
| ihrachys | was there any progress that emerged from it? | 16:24 |
| jlibosva | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-July/120294.html | 16:24 |
| jlibosva | slaweq sent a patch to enable qos as he wants to work on it | 16:24 |
| ihrachys | that is abandoned now | 16:24 |
| ihrachys | prolly because yamamoto had the same | 16:24 |
| jlibosva | yeah | 16:24 |
| jlibosva | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/468326 | 16:25 |
| ihrachys | the yamamoto patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/468326 | 16:25 |
| jlibosva | it also seems there might be no work item and it works now | 16:25 |
| ihrachys | ok | 16:25 |
| jlibosva | I don't know what fixed the scenario or it just has a low repro rate | 16:25 |
| ihrachys | let's land then and see? | 16:25 |
| jlibosva | yep | 16:25 |
| ihrachys | I +2d | 16:26 |
| ihrachys | apart from those qos tests? | 16:26 |
| jlibosva | armax looked at trunk failure which turned out a regression in ovs firewall | 16:26 |
| ihrachys | btw the etherpad tracking the progress at https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-dvr-multinode-scenario-gate-failures | 16:26 |
| jlibosva | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1707339 | 16:27 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1707339 in neutron "test_trunk_subport_lifecycle fails on subport down timeout" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Armando Migliaccio (armando-migliaccio) | 16:27 |
| jlibosva | I've been working on it today | 16:27 |
| jlibosva | I'll send out patch soon, I'm writing just some basic UTs | 16:27 |
| ihrachys | nice | 16:28 |
| jlibosva | other than that, it doesn't seem as popular as python3 effort | 16:28 |
| ihrachys | tempest is hard | 16:28 |
| jlibosva | I plan to take one failure at a time and do something about it, but I've been recently quite busy | 16:29 |
| ihrachys | we can maybe ask once again, mentioning the progress and asking for more :) | 16:29 |
| ihrachys | I imagine | 16:29 |
| ihrachys | I can do the shout out | 16:29 |
| jlibosva | if you have some cookies to promise, maybe that will help :) | 16:29 |
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| ihrachys | cookie or a stick, hm. tough choice. | 16:30 |
| ihrachys | next was "haleyb to check why dvr-ha job is at ~100% failure rate" | 16:30 |
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| ihrachys | I talked to haleyb about that | 16:30 |
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| ihrachys | and it seems like this a devstack-gate provisioning issue | 16:30 |
| ihrachys | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1707003 | 16:30 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1707003 in neutron "gate-tempest-dsvm-neutron-dvr-ha-multinode-full-ubuntu-xenial-nv job has a very high failure rate" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to Brian Haley (brian-haley) | 16:30 |
| ihrachys | there is a patch that tackles a similar problem, in grenade (abandoned) | 16:30 |
| ihrachys | and we will probably need smth similar, but in devstack-gate, since this job is not even grenade | 16:31 |
| ihrachys | and Brian is going to work on it | 16:31 |
| ihrachys | I imagine it may take a while | 16:31 |
| ihrachys | first, because d-g | 16:31 |
| ihrachys | second, because reviews there are rare | 16:31 |
| ihrachys | :) | 16:31 |
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| ihrachys | #topic Grafana | 16:32 |
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| ihrachys | http://grafana.openstack.org/dashboard/db/neutron-failure-rate | 16:32 |
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| ihrachys | there is a periodic failure for -pg- job again | 16:32 |
| ihrachys | I noticed it today and sent an email to armax about it | 16:32 |
| ihrachys | seems like another instance of sqlalchemy not being ready for -pg- | 16:32 |
| ihrachys | there is a sql syntax error in cinder api | 16:33 |
| ihrachys | there is fullstack still at 80%, and I actually started playing with the test locally yesterday (no progress yet) | 16:33 |
| jlibosva | about pg, have you seen the patch about testing pg? | 16:33 |
| ihrachys | good thing it reproduces just fine | 16:33 |
| ihrachys | jlibosva, which one? | 16:33 |
| * jlibosva looking | 16:33 | |
| jlibosva | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/427880/ | 16:34 |
| ihrachys | oh that's old news yeah | 16:34 |
| jlibosva | tldr, warns users that pg is not thoroughly tested, I wonder whether it is worth the effort to support pg in gate | 16:34 |
| ihrachys | still it seems like we have armax interested in doing it | 16:34 |
| ihrachys | I proposed removal of the job in the past | 16:34 |
| ihrachys | and armax was all against it and jumped fixing issues | 16:35 |
| jlibosva | I remember, but it was before this was approved | 16:35 |
| jlibosva | ok | 16:35 |
| ihrachys | I don't think it changes much if we just do it best effort | 16:35 |
| ihrachys | if someone benefits from it and maintains it above the water, I am good | 16:35 |
| jlibosva | okies | 16:36 |
| ihrachys | there is one failure spike that I think is new | 16:36 |
| ihrachys | for linuxbridge grenade multinode job | 16:36 |
| ihrachys | currently at 45% | 16:36 |
| ihrachys | I know that the job was never stable because of https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1683256 | 16:37 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1683256 in neutron "linuxbridge multinode depending on multicast support of provider" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to omkar_telee (omkar-telee) | 16:37 |
| ihrachys | Kevin was going to look at it in the past, but it never happened | 16:37 |
| ihrachys | and I wonder if that's a sign that we should deprovision the job | 16:37 |
| ihrachys | because the only reason why we haven't a cycle ago was that Kevin was going to make it work | 16:37 |
| ihrachys | I guess I will send another patch removing other people jobs and see how they react ;) | 16:38 |
| ihrachys | #action ihrachys to propose a removal for linuxbridge grenade multinode job | 16:38 |
| ihrachys | I suspect there is this multicast AND something else going on there but I have no will to dig | 16:39 |
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| ihrachys | #topic Open discussion | 16:40 |
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| ihrachys | jlibosva, progress on ovs isolation for fullstack? | 16:40 |
| jlibosva | nah | 16:40 |
| jlibosva | :) | 16:40 |
| ihrachys | ack :) | 16:40 |
| ihrachys | anything else? | 16:40 |
| jlibosva | I have one topic thou | 16:40 |
| jlibosva | yep | 16:40 |
| jlibosva | I was pinged by ironic guys | 16:40 |
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| jlibosva | they are getting hit in grenade job by neutron | 16:40 |
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| ihrachys | bug number? | 16:40 |
| jlibosva | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1707160 | 16:40 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1707160 in neutron "test_create_port_in_allowed_allocation_pools test fails on ironic grenade" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 16:40 |
| jlibosva | which probably leads to https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1705351 | 16:41 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1705351 in neutron "agent notifier getting amqp NotFound exceptions propagated up to it" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Ihar Hrachyshka (ihar-hrachyshka) | 16:41 |
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| jlibosva | I looked at the logs of the failed job and it seemed to me that client times out after 60 seconds and then retries the operation | 16:41 |
| jlibosva | the thing is that the first operation succeeds after some time > 60 secs and then the second "retry" fails | 16:42 |
| jlibosva | so they bumped the cli timeout to 120s but still are getting hit | 16:42 |
| jlibosva | I didn't have time to look at why they get hit again | 16:42 |
| jlibosva | but I thought it was worth raising here even though it's not Neutron CI but some neutron failure :) | 16:42 |
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| * ihrachys tries to understand why the 2nd bug is assigned to him | 16:43 | |
| jlibosva | you sent a patch to catch some exceptions | 16:43 |
| jlibosva | iirc | 16:43 |
| ihrachys | oh, a partial bug | 16:43 |
| jlibosva | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/486687/ | 16:43 |
| ihrachys | jlibosva, how does the 1st bug lead to 2nd? can you elaborate? | 16:44 |
| ihrachys | the 2nd is about an exception raised | 16:44 |
| ihrachys | because of exchange missing | 16:44 |
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| ihrachys | the former looks more like dns misconfigured or smth else locking the processing thread for long time | 16:44 |
| jlibosva | what I saw was subnet delete in the ironic gate - the delete was trying to notify dhcp agents they should delete their resources | 16:45 |
| jlibosva | but due to some amqp issue, rpc was failing or stuck (don't remember), which cause the operation of subnet deletion to take 97 seconds | 16:45 |
| jlibosva | and the tempest rest client called subnet delete again after 60 seconds, but the first call eventually succeeded, while the second failed | 16:46 |
| jlibosva | cause subnet was already gone | 16:46 |
| ihrachys | so, one of reasons I am aware of for a thread to lock on rpc is dns misconfigured, so oslo.messaging takes a while to get response from libresolv with ipv4/ipv6 addresses. | 16:46 |
| jlibosva | so the delay on the server side was caused by the amqp issue | 16:46 |
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| ihrachys | jlibosva, not THE issue, but A issue, right? | 16:47 |
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| ihrachys | in the server log, I see AMQP server on 149.202.183.40:5672 is unreachable: timed out | 16:47 |
| ihrachys | which probably suggests it's not dns | 16:48 |
| ihrachys | (the broker is referred to via ip) | 16:48 |
| jlibosva | I'm referring to amqp as THE :) | 16:48 |
| jlibosva | IIRC there was a trace about missing queue or something | 16:48 |
| ihrachys | oh yeah, i see "NotFound: Basic.publish: (404) NOT_FOUND - no exchange 'q-agent-notifier-port-delete_fanout' in vhost '/'" | 16:49 |
| ihrachys | then the 2nd bug is indeed relevant | 16:49 |
| ihrachys | with the fix landed on neutron side for this, I guess we may ask ironic folks if they are still affected? | 16:50 |
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| jlibosva | makes sense | 16:51 |
| jlibosva | but I don't have much knowledge about the failure there | 16:51 |
| jlibosva | just wanted to raise it here | 16:51 |
| ihrachys | ack, thanks for that | 16:52 |
| ihrachys | I will update them about the fix in LP | 16:52 |
| ihrachys | anything else? | 16:52 |
| jlibosva | not from me | 16:52 |
| ihrachys | cool. thanks for joining. | 16:52 |
| ihrachys | #endmeeting | 16:52 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Aug 1 16:52:45 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:52 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_ci/2017/neutron_ci.2017-08-01-16.00.html | 16:52 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_ci/2017/neutron_ci.2017-08-01-16.00.txt | 16:52 |
| jlibosva | thanks, bye | 16:52 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_ci/2017/neutron_ci.2017-08-01-16.00.log.html | 16:52 |
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| lbragstad | #startmeeting keystone | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Aug 1 18:00:08 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is lbragstad. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'keystone' | 18:00 |
| lbragstad | ping ayoung, breton, cmurphy, dstanek, edmondsw, gagehugo, henrynash, hrybacki, knikolla, lamt, lbragstad, lwanderley, notmorgan, rderose, rodrigods, samueldmq, spilla, aselius, dpar | 18:00 |
| cmurphy | ohai | 18:00 |
| edmondsw | o/ | 18:00 |
| knikolla | o/ | 18:00 |
| rodrigods | hey | 18:00 |
| gagehugo | o/ | 18:00 |
| lbragstad | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/keystone-weekly-meeting | 18:00 |
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| lbragstad | agenda ^ | 18:00 |
| spilla | o/ | 18:00 |
| * cmurphy actually here today | 18:00 | |
| lamt | o/ | 18:00 |
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| lbragstad | wow - y'all *almost* broke down the door | 18:00 |
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| rmascena | o/ | 18:01 |
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| lbragstad | let's give it a minute or two for others to show up | 18:01 |
| knikolla | the light agenda maybe :P | 18:01 |
| lbragstad | knikolla: possibly! | 18:01 |
| lbragstad | i won't lie - i don't mind the meeting being done in 30 minutes or less | 18:02 |
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| lbragstad | #topic announcements: release status | 18:03 |
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| rarora | o/ | 18:03 |
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| lbragstad | last week we released pike-3 on schedule | 18:03 |
| lbragstad | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/488411/ | 18:04 |
| lbragstad | we also released the final version of python-keystoneclient for pike | 18:04 |
| lbragstad | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/488413/ | 18:04 |
| lbragstad | the only this is that pike-3 went out the door without project tags | 18:04 |
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| lbragstad | so - that's going to have to be one of the first things on our plate for queens | 18:05 |
| lbragstad | thanks to rarora gagehugo lamt spilla and others for putting in all the work there | 18:05 |
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| lbragstad | that should be a pretty easy win to start queens off with | 18:06 |
| lbragstad | #topic announcements: specs | 18:06 |
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| gagehugo | yeah it's pretty close | 18:06 |
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| lbragstad | but - we also need to clean up the specs repository to accurately reflect the things we didn't make into pike | 18:06 |
| lbragstad | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/487534/ | 18:06 |
| lbragstad | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/487533/ | 18:06 |
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| lbragstad | i've proposed bumping application creds and federated attributes to backlog until we're ready to start parsing what we want to go through for queens | 18:07 |
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| lbragstad | project tags will also needs a patch to bump it | 18:07 |
| lbragstad | to backlog | 18:07 |
| gagehugo | I can edit https://review.openstack.org/#/c/484529/ for that | 18:07 |
| gagehugo | move it to backlog with those edits | 18:08 |
| lbragstad | gagehugo: cool - thanks | 18:08 |
| edmondsw | might want to move it to backlog separately and then get agreement on the edits | 18:08 |
| lbragstad | #action gagehugo to propose https://review.openstack.org/#/c/484529/ to backlog until queens opens for development | 18:08 |
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| lbragstad | we have a lot of work that spilled over from pike this release - i think a big part of the PTG is going to be keeping discussions fresh to that we can carry things over gracefully | 18:09 |
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| knikolla | yeah | 18:10 |
| gagehugo | edmondsw will do | 18:10 |
| lbragstad | i'll get into that a bit more later | 18:10 |
| lbragstad | now that we are in feature freeze | 18:10 |
| lbragstad | #topic bugs | 18:10 |
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| lbragstad | we should be ultra focused on bugs, bug review, and triage | 18:10 |
| lbragstad | #link https://goo.gl/F7Pc8x | 18:11 |
| lbragstad | ^ that's a list of all bugs that are targetting pike-rc | 18:11 |
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| lbragstad | so - ideally, we need to have those fixed before we can get pike out the door | 18:11 |
| lbragstad | if there is a bug in that list that you don't feel needs to be included in pike, let me know | 18:11 |
| lbragstad | on the contrary, if there *is* a release blocking bug that pops up - let me know | 18:12 |
| lbragstad | i'll be attending to that list daily for the rest of the release - reviewing and picking up whatever changes i can | 18:12 |
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| lbragstad | any questions on the current bug list? | 18:13 |
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| lbragstad | the good thing is that most of those bugs are in progress, so reviews should really help trim that list down | 18:14 |
| edmondsw | microversions made the rc bug cut? | 18:14 |
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| lbragstad | edmondsw: this one? | 18:14 |
| lbragstad | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/1689644 | 18:14 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1689644 in OpenStack Identity (keystone) "Keystone does not report microversion headers" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to Rohan Arora (ra271w) | 18:14 |
| lbragstad | edmondsw: or microversion support in general? | 18:14 |
| edmondsw | yeah... how quickly things can change. It was nearly unanimous at the PTG that we wouldn't do microversions :) | 18:15 |
| knikolla | well… that's not really doing microversions :P | 18:15 |
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| lbragstad | knikolla: right - it's just communicating it to the caller | 18:15 |
| lbragstad | real support for microversions still needs to be done | 18:15 |
| edmondsw | how can you report microversions if you don't have microversions? | 18:15 |
| lbragstad | edmondsw: the current approach returns 3.0 and 3.8 | 18:16 |
| lbragstad | as the min and max api versions | 18:16 |
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| lbragstad | for v3 | 18:16 |
| lbragstad | and 2.0 for v2.0 | 18:16 |
| lbragstad | but the approach is still in review | 18:16 |
| edmondsw | sounds fun | 18:17 |
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| lbragstad | moving on | 18:18 |
| lbragstad | #topic ptg planning | 18:18 |
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| lbragstad | i have an etherpad up to capture ideas we want to discuss at the PTG | 18:18 |
| lbragstad | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/keystone-queens-ptg | 18:18 |
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| lbragstad | and we're getting to the point where I need to start grouping things in bucket and organizing meeting times with other groups if we want to discuss cross-project things | 18:19 |
| lbragstad | i assume the PTG is going to break down much like it did in Atlanta | 18:19 |
| lbragstad | where the first couple days are going to be dedicated to cross-project initiatives | 18:19 |
| lbragstad | and the last three are going to be project-focused | 18:19 |
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| gagehugo | will there be a policy meeting for cross-project? | 18:20 |
| lbragstad | gagehugo: i fully expect to have one - yes | 18:20 |
| gagehugo | cool | 18:20 |
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| lbragstad | it's one of the first topics i added for the cross-project section in the planning etherpad | 18:20 |
| cmurphy | there's a schedule https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1xmOdT6uZ5XqViActr5sBOaz_mEgjKSCY7NEWcAEcT-A/edit#gid=397241312 | 18:20 |
| lbragstad | along with unified limits, application creds, etc... | 18:21 |
| lbragstad | cmurphy: oh - good call | 18:21 |
| cmurphy | and yeah looks like cross project stuff will be more monday/tuesday | 18:21 |
| lbragstad | cool | 18:21 |
| lbragstad | also - i sent out a reminder asking who was going to be attending | 18:22 |
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| gagehugo | there was short 1 hr meetings too at ATL, for some cross-project stuff | 18:22 |
| lbragstad | the foundation would like to have an accurate estimate so that they can line up rooms properly | 18:22 |
| gagehugo | idk how that works with the schedule | 18:22 |
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| lbragstad | if you're planning on attending the PTG please add your name to https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/keystone-queens-ptg if you haven't already done so | 18:23 |
| lbragstad | gagehugo: yeah - i wasn't there the first two days in ATL | 18:23 |
| edmondsw | lbragstad I will be there, but will probably be sitting in the nova room more than keystone | 18:23 |
| lbragstad | edmondsw: ack | 18:24 |
| lbragstad | edmondsw: i think we have a few people in that boat | 18:24 |
| lbragstad | which is fine | 18:24 |
| knikolla | as long as you join us for beer after, we're good | 18:24 |
| lbragstad | this is what i wanted to spend the majority of the time on today | 18:24 |
| edmondsw | :) | 18:25 |
| lbragstad | is there anything on the current planning doc that people don't agree with? | 18:25 |
| lbragstad | is there anything you *do* agree with? | 18:25 |
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| lbragstad | I'd like to get an idea of where people's interests lie and what they are hoping to work on and accomplish in pike | 18:25 |
| lbragstad | (as a way to keep expectations in line and sane) | 18:26 |
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| knikolla | hmm.. is dstanek going to be there for the native saml topic? | 18:26 |
| lbragstad | Personally for me - i'm going to be dedicating time to global role assignments (along with championing community goals for policy) | 18:27 |
| knikolla | he was championing it | 18:27 |
| lbragstad | knikolla: he was - but I doubt he will make it to the PTG | 18:27 |
| lbragstad | knikolla: i haven't heard anything yet | 18:27 |
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| cmurphy | app creds definitely a high priority for pike | 18:27 |
| lbragstad | i completely agree | 18:27 |
| knikolla | cmurphy: ++ | 18:27 |
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| knikolla | i also want to see federated attributes. i'll probably pick it up if intel folks don't find the time to work on it. | 18:28 |
| lbragstad | then again - unified limits has some pretty awesome payoffs and advantages that would be nice to have | 18:28 |
| lbragstad | we also have to take a peak at oslo.policy to see if we can enhance it so that we can emit deprecation warnings when policy changes | 18:28 |
| * lbragstad is already feeling overwhelmed | 18:29 | |
| cmurphy | @.@ | 18:29 |
| knikolla | that's why we have 3 days at the ptg | 18:29 |
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| knikolla | lbragstad: how is read-only role a project specific thing? | 18:30 |
| edmondsw | lbragstad looking at the room schedule, which of those rooms do you plan to have policy discussions in? | 18:30 |
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| gagehugo | yeah we should grab a room for that | 18:31 |
| lbragstad | knikolla: good catch - moved | 18:31 |
| lbragstad | edmondsw: the biggest one we can find? | 18:31 |
| edmondsw | lol | 18:31 |
| edmondsw | row 18? | 18:32 |
| knikolla | lol | 18:32 |
| lbragstad | edmondsw: the discussion we had in ATL was packed | 18:32 |
| knikolla | i think that'll be detrimental | 18:32 |
| lbragstad | or | 18:32 |
| lbragstad | we coax people off-site? | 18:32 |
| edmondsw | the API WG room was packed in ATL, and covered more than API WG stuff... maybe talk to them about carving out time there? | 18:33 |
| lbragstad | but row 18 looks like it will work | 18:33 |
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| gagehugo | yeah the API-WG room in ATL was interesting | 18:33 |
| lbragstad | we also don't need *every* project developer there | 18:33 |
| lbragstad | i also assume there are going to be project developers who don't care about policy | 18:33 |
| knikolla | contact your elected policy representative today :P | 18:33 |
| lbragstad | but I'd figure at least 3 - 5 developers from each interested project? | 18:33 |
| edmondsw | I'd kinda like it to be a dedicated room so people know that's going to be the topic and come accordingly | 18:33 |
| knikolla | yeah, it being the nova room last time wasn't good. | 18:34 |
| edmondsw | lbragstad that's some serious optimism! would be great | 18:34 |
| edmondsw | having policy changes as a goal for queens should help attendance | 18:34 |
| knikolla | honestly, i think teams should have a policy liason going forward | 18:34 |
| edmondsw | and we can talk about more than policy-in-code | 18:34 |
| lbragstad | yeah | 18:35 |
| edmondsw | knikolla ++ | 18:35 |
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| lbragstad | right - we really need to talk about breaking the scope check and putting it into code | 18:35 |
| * edmondsw nods vigorously | 18:35 | |
| lbragstad | it'd be nice to make some progress on a standard set of roles we should provide by default | 18:35 |
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| edmondsw | lbragstad that's a short list in my opinion... admin, member, observer | 18:36 |
| lbragstad | yeah - but we can couple that with fixing admin-ness and isolating scope to in-code only and we're in a much better place | 18:37 |
| edmondsw | maybe add a few internal roles, e.g. service, that we wouldn't expect end-users to ever have | 18:37 |
| edmondsw | absolutely | 18:37 |
| lbragstad | i'm really looking forward to doing what's needed to have those discussions in Denver | 18:38 |
| lbragstad | but i'm also thinking it's going to take up most of my bandwidth for queens | 18:38 |
| knikolla | seems fair. given that it's the single most important thing for now. | 18:38 |
| lbragstad | yeah - in addition to application creds | 18:39 |
| lbragstad | which i think have massive usability benefits | 18:39 |
| knikolla | yeah, but requires less coordination with other teams | 18:39 |
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| lbragstad | yeah - we need to come to consensus on how to use them | 18:39 |
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| knikolla | besides the lifetime of an app cred. i thought that pretty much there was consensus? | 18:40 |
| lbragstad | knikolla: yeah- i think the lifecycle is really the only thing left to discuss | 18:40 |
| lbragstad | (there is some additional details about roping it into policy in the future, too) | 18:41 |
| lbragstad | s/is/are/ | 18:41 |
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| lbragstad | does anyone have things they'd like to get on the map for the PTG? | 18:42 |
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| knikolla | i think the list is pretty comprehensive. | 18:42 |
| lbragstad | ++ some topics are going to be pretty dense | 18:43 |
| knikolla | i'd like to get another shot at revising 'role check in middleware' if folks want | 18:43 |
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| lbragstad | knikolla: hrybacki was talking to me about that a few weeks ago | 18:43 |
| lbragstad | knikolla: you should be sure to check in with him | 18:44 |
| knikolla | sounds good. | 18:44 |
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| lbragstad | #topic open discussion | 18:44 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 18:44 | |
| lbragstad | floor is open | 18:44 |
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| lbragstad | looks like we can get some time back | 18:46 |
| lbragstad | office hours starts in about 14 minutes | 18:46 |
| lbragstad | thanks for coming! | 18:46 |
| lbragstad | #endmeeting | 18:47 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 18:47 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Aug 1 18:47:00 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:47 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2017/keystone.2017-08-01-18.00.html | 18:47 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2017/keystone.2017-08-01-18.00.txt | 18:47 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2017/keystone.2017-08-01-18.00.log.html | 18:47 |
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| fungi | infra team, $ASSEMBLE_SYNONYM! | 19:00 |
| AJaeger | \o/ | 19:00 |
| ianw | morning! | 19:00 |
| fungi | i've spent, like, no time preparing this week, so apologies for being disorganized | 19:00 |
| fungi | this week we have action items assigned to and topics proposed by fungi and (i think) clarkb | 19:01 |
| cmurphy | o/ | 19:01 |
| clarkb | gcc -c -o infra.o ? | 19:01 |
| fungi | probably need to link in a standard meeting library | 19:01 |
| fungi | anyhoo, let's get this party started | 19:02 |
| AJaeger | clarkb: without -o ;) | 19:02 |
| fungi | #startmeeting infra | 19:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Aug 1 19:02:43 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is fungi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'infra' | 19:02 |
| pabelanger | o/ | 19:02 |
| fungi | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/InfraTeamMeeting#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 19:02 |
| fungi | #topic Announcements | 19:03 |
| jeblair | o/ | 19:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:03 | |
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| fungi | #info Don't forget to register for the PTG if you're planning to attend | 19:03 |
| fungi | #link https://www.openstack.org/ptg/ PTG September 11-15 in Denver, CO, USA | 19:03 |
| fungi | #info Inactive accounts for several former infra-root sysadmins are being disabled; we thank them for their awesome service to the community and welcome them back any time! | 19:05 |
| clarkb | does that come with a plaque to hang on their walls? | 19:05 |
| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/489698 Disable inactive infra-root accounts | 19:05 |
| jeblair | clarkb: more like a plague | 19:06 |
| fungi | if only we had funding for placards | 19:06 |
| fungi | but yes, they can hang a plague on their walls i suppose | 19:06 |
| jeblair | fungi: you can send them stickers | 19:06 |
| * mordred waves | 19:06 | |
| AJaeger | signed by everybody? | 19:06 |
| fungi | i do indeed have stickers | 19:06 |
| fungi | not a terrible idea | 19:06 |
| fungi | "see, if you come back, you can get even _more_ stickers" | 19:07 |
| pabelanger | ++ | 19:07 |
| fungi | as always, feel free to hit me up with announcements you want included in future meetings | 19:07 |
| fungi | #topic Actions from last meeting | 19:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Actions from last meeting (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:07 | |
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| fungi | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2017/infra.2017-07-25-19.03.html Minutes from last meeting | 19:07 |
| fungi | #action fungi get switchport counts for infra-cloud | 19:08 |
| fungi | still waiting to get word back from hpe at this point | 19:08 |
| fungi | that was the only one we had from last meeting, looks like | 19:08 |
| fungi | #topic Specs approval | 19:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Specs approval (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:08 | |
| fungi | we don't seem to have anything new up this week | 19:08 |
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| fungi | #topic Priority Efforts - Gerrit 2.13 Upgrade: Request for testing (clarkb) | 19:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Priority Efforts - Gerrit 2.13 Upgrade: Request for testing (clarkb) (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:09 | |
| clarkb | the zuul testing got done and everything worked great once we got tobiash's change in place | 19:10 |
| clarkb | without that we did indeed see funny behavior and lack of ability to submit changes | 19:10 |
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| jeblair | we still need to merge that to zuul master, right? | 19:10 |
| jeblair | and we should only do that after we change the label case in our current layout.yaml | 19:10 |
| clarkb | jeblair: yes. I think it is still an open question about how to do that to master since it is backward incompatible (but allows greater gerrit compatibility) | 19:11 |
| fungi | oh, hrm, might need to be toggleable? | 19:11 |
| jeblair | 1) send email telling folks to change case; 2) change our case; 3) wait 1 week; 4) merge change ? | 19:11 |
| clarkb | thinking about schedules for upgrading zuul and gerrit I think we (infra we) may not need it on zuulv2 but we likely want to support our other zuul users on v2 with newer gerrit as well | 19:11 |
| jeblair | clarkb: ah, if we're pushing gerrit upgrade to post-ptg, then maybe leave master hanging? | 19:12 |
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| clarkb | jeblair: ya I'm thinking we can point zuulv2 users to the patch and they can apply locally if they find they need it | 19:12 |
| clarkb | that way we don't have to worry about breaking people with existing installs | 19:13 |
| jeblair | wfm | 19:13 |
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| clarkb | the other big item is removing reliance on the gerrit contact store feature which no logner exists in gerrit 2.13 | 19:13 |
| fungi | we got a bit near to release frenzy to feel safe taking a long downtime and significant behavior changes to the review system until next cycle | 19:14 |
| clarkb | fungi has edits to the election roll generation scripts pushed up to update election roll generation which relied on the coupling of accounts via contact store | 19:14 |
| clarkb | fungi: yup | 19:14 |
| fungi | at this point the only thing we needed the contact store for is that | 19:14 |
| clarkb | for the contact store stuff when can we update gerrit config to disable it? we can do that before we upgrade to 2.13 right? | 19:14 |
| fungi | so we can in theory disable it whenever we want, though i'd like to have ptl elections behind us using the updated script | 19:15 |
| clarkb | fungi: maybe you can push a change to update the config when you are comfortable doing so? | 19:15 |
| fungi | yeah, i'll write that up in the next few days | 19:15 |
| clarkb | and that leads us to scheduling the actual upgrade | 19:15 |
| clarkb | last week was openstack feature freeze so we are deep into release activities and infra being slushy | 19:15 |
| fungi | really the risk that someone will create a new account, not join the foundaiton, create a change, get it merged in a project with more than one ptl candidate and be surprised they didn't get a ballot is likely vanishingly small at this point | 19:16 |
| fungi | between now and the contribution cut-off for qualifying to vote in the upcoming elections anyway | 19:16 |
| clarkb | pike releases august 31, we then have a week without release or other major activity, then ptg, then another empty week | 19:16 |
| clarkb | I think our good options for upgrading gerrit are teh week before or the week after ptg. I don't know how much stuff we want before ptg with plans for zuul upgrade | 19:17 |
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| clarkb | whcih leaves us with doing it week after ptg whcih is why I don't think we need to worry about case sensitivty fix on zuul master | 19:18 |
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| fungi | well, not without any release activity... the cycle-trailing projects are scrambling during that timeframe, as is documentation | 19:18 |
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| pabelanger | I don't mind week after PTG, unless we need 2.13 before PTG | 19:18 |
| clarkb | fungi: those happen during ptg I think | 19:18 |
| AJaeger | not sure about documnetation - we should have moved all release critical stuff to the project repos... | 19:18 |
| fungi | clarkb: fair point, they do indeed | 19:18 |
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| fungi | clarkb: though there is still run-up to that release activity in the intervening week | 19:19 |
| clarkb | I spoke to the release team this morning as well and they were happy with week before or after ptg | 19:19 |
| clarkb | fungi: ya | 19:19 |
| fungi | cool | 19:19 |
| clarkb | also we have to do a full offline reindex so expect the downtime to easily be 5 hours or so probably longer | 19:19 |
| fungi | AJaeger: that helps too, thanks | 19:19 |
| fungi | right, this'll be one of those where we have it down for a good chunk of a weekend or something | 19:20 |
| clarkb | september 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 is week after ptg | 19:21 |
| fungi | may need to make sure we start early in the day on whatever day we pick, and/or plan to have people available to take over monitoring the reindex and ready to pick up the remaining tasks after that completes | 19:21 |
| clarkb | yup I think early day to start is good idea and that way we don't have to leave it offline overnight | 19:21 |
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| fungi | "early in the day" relative to the bulk of the people volunteering | 19:22 |
| clarkb | I'm thinking doing it monday the 18th might be a good option because people will be traveling and returning to work and shouldn't have as much a reliance on gerrit (but thats an assumption based on not really any data) | 19:22 |
| clarkb | I fly home saturday myself | 19:22 |
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| fungi | yeah, i'll be available that monday if there's consensus around it | 19:22 |
| pabelanger | same, fly home on saturday | 19:23 |
| pabelanger | Monday works for me | 19:23 |
| fungi | i can also get some prep going before the western americas volunteers if wanted | 19:23 |
| fungi | since i'll be awake a little earlier | 19:23 |
| clarkb | any other input from infra-roots on doing it monday? | 19:23 |
| fungi | though if we have emea folk wanting to help with some of the early tasks that's cool too | 19:24 |
| jeblair | logistically it works for me; a little concerned about doing it at start of week and not friday | 19:24 |
| jeblair | clarkb: but i think you may be on to something with your post-ptg travel/burnout idea | 19:25 |
| fungi | i recall a not so distant upgrade where we though doing it right before the weekend would be a good idea, and then didn't spot issues with it until activity picked up on monday | 19:25 |
| jeblair | we'll just have to push through our own burnout. :) | 19:25 |
| fungi | s/though/thought/ | 19:25 |
| clarkb | right so doing it at the end of the week is the alternative. The upside to that is it will give us more tiem to prep without worrying about travel. Downsides are less friendly to emea and potentially makes that week really short for many PTGers | 19:25 |
| jeblair | fungi: see, we enjoyed the weekend! :) | 19:25 |
| fungi | this is true | 19:25 |
| clarkb | the other nice thing about friday is if we have to go into the next day it is saturday and not tuesday | 19:25 |
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| fungi | you certainly have an interesting definition of "nice" ;) | 19:26 |
| clarkb | well for our users not necessarily us :) | 19:26 |
| jeblair | i think you've pushed me over the fence; slight preference for monday here | 19:26 |
| clarkb | fungi: the no users on saturday problem is a good point too I hadn't really considered | 19:26 |
| clarkb | fungi: I think that makes me prefer monday | 19:26 |
| clarkb | should we tentatively say 1500UTC monday and europe and east coast can get things rolling (I'll likely wake up early myself) | 19:27 |
| fungi | wfm | 19:27 |
| clarkb | that then gives us basically all day for north americans to finish it up | 19:27 |
| clarkb | ok why don't we pencil that in and I'll send email about it tomorrow if no one can think of a reason to change it by then | 19:28 |
| fungi | ohh | 19:28 |
| AJaeger | clarkb: and then hand over to Australia and back to Europe ;) | 19:28 |
| fungi | i need to check my calendar real quick :/ | 19:28 |
| fungi | yup, just confirmed that date sounded familiar... i may need to get permission for monday the 18th as that's my wife's birthday | 19:29 |
| clarkb | uh oh | 19:29 |
| clarkb | fungi: should we leave it penciled in while you talk about it? or should we not even push it :) | 19:30 |
| fungi | let's say that's still the tentative plan, best case i just need to skip out early for dinner reservations or something | 19:30 |
| clarkb | ok | 19:30 |
| fungi | worst case i can't help with the upgrade, but we have more people | 19:30 |
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| jeblair | fungi: you volunteered for the early shift anyway :) | 19:31 |
| fungi | too true | 19:31 |
| clarkb | I think that is about it for gerrit then. If you haven't get given 2.13 a go on review-dev please do so and give feedback | 19:31 |
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| clarkb | I confirmed it fixes the verified +1 but rechecked doesn't go into gate problem | 19:31 |
| clarkb | so event stream does what zuul needs there to make the right choices | 19:31 |
| fungi | #agreed Tentative Gerrit 2.13 upgrade date is Monday, September 18; outage starting around 15:00 UTC | 19:31 |
| fungi | that sound about like what we agreed on? | 19:32 |
| clarkb | yup | 19:32 |
| jeblair | ya | 19:32 |
| fungi | how long before the upgrade do we need to announce it on the lists? | 19:32 |
| clarkb | think about it if there is a reason not to do it then let everyone know and we can rethink. But I want to send notice to the dev list soon. Probably tomorrow evening | 19:32 |
| clarkb | just to give them as much lead time as possible | 19:32 |
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| fungi | that's some 7 weeks from yesterday i guess? | 19:33 |
| clarkb | yup | 19:33 |
| AJaeger | what about asking release team t oadd to their calendar at https://releases.openstack.org/pike/schedule.html - or queens? | 19:33 |
| fungi | so definitely a nice advance warning | 19:33 |
| clarkb | AJaeger: we could do that, not sure what they will say about it. I'lldo that after our meeting | 19:34 |
| clarkb | *ask them, but only update once ml post is sent | 19:34 |
| fungi | and what's the deal with the change screen? i guess polygerrit doesn't happen until 2.14 right? | 19:34 |
| AJaeger | clarkb: agreed | 19:34 |
| clarkb | fungi: you can run polygerrit against 2.13 but it isn't bundled as an option like it is in 2.14 | 19:34 |
| clarkb | so I was mostly ignoring polygerrit for 2.13 | 19:35 |
| tobiash | we don't have polygerrit in our 2.13 | 19:35 |
| clarkb | we can always deploy polygerrit bits later if we want (requires separate daemon and all that) | 19:35 |
| fungi | okay, good, so not a lot of ui adjustment for people this time anyway | 19:35 |
| fungi | i'm not so certain infra maintenance stuff is a fit for the release calendar, but we'll see what they say | 19:35 |
| clarkb | 2.14 is going to be a big upgrade in all the ways | 19:36 |
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| clarkb | notedb, java 8, polygerrit, etc. That is why I didn't try pivoting to it, 2.13 is much simpler and easier to get done | 19:36 |
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| fungi | yup | 19:36 |
| fungi | #action clarkb send advance notice of Gerrit 2.13 upgrade to mailing lists | 19:36 |
| fungi | okay, anything else you wanted to cover before we switch topics? | 19:37 |
| clarkb | nope that is all I had, thanks | 19:37 |
| fungi | thanks! | 19:37 |
| fungi | #topic Priority Efforts - Zuul v3 (jeblair) | 19:37 |
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| fungi | last-minute addition at jeblair's request | 19:38 |
| jeblair | hi! i mostly wanted to point out mordred's draft email about the ptg zuulv3 cutover | 19:38 |
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| jeblair | #link draft zuulv3 cutover announcement https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ImHsFudauN | 19:38 |
| fungi | thanks for the reminder. i need to make sure to read that shortly after the meeting | 19:38 |
| jeblair | hopefully we can send that out soon (like today, tomorrow?) | 19:39 |
| mordred | ++ | 19:39 |
| fungi | mordred: you're planning to send that one i take it? | 19:39 |
| AJaeger | would be nice to merge https://review.openstack.org/#/c/489677 - so that mordred can link to it from his email | 19:39 |
| mordred | fungi: yah - as soon as folks are ok with it | 19:39 |
| mordred | AJaeger: ++ | 19:39 |
| fungi | #action mordred send advance notice of Zuul v3 cutover to mailing lists | 19:39 |
| jeblair | and i had a suggestion at the end to link to an infra-manual page where we can have a living document to help devs with the transition | 19:40 |
| jeblair | which is what AJaeger just linked | 19:40 |
| fungi | awesome. also on my priority review list | 19:40 |
| jeblair | probably that first change is enough for now. it has an introduction, answers some basic questions, and has a skeleton we can fill in later. | 19:41 |
| jeblair | so i think once that change lands, it's enough to link to from the announcement email as long as we contextualize it as a work in progress which will be more complete as we approach cutover | 19:41 |
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| jeblair | it's also 1 of three sets of docs i think we need before we go live: | 19:42 |
| jeblair | openstack developer transition guide, zuul documentation, and job documentation | 19:42 |
| jeblair | i'm working on getting the last published and cross-linked this week | 19:43 |
| jeblair | (and continuing to improve zuul docs) | 19:43 |
| jeblair | that's eot from me | 19:43 |
| fungi | excellent. sounds entirely tractable | 19:43 |
| fungi | questions? | 19:43 |
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| fungi | crickets? tumbleweeds? | 19:44 |
| fungi | thanks jeblair! | 19:44 |
| fungi | #topic PTG planning (fungi) | 19:45 |
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| fungi | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/infra-ptg-queens Infra planning pad for Queens PTG in Denver | 19:46 |
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| fungi | seems we've grown a few more ideas there, this is shaping up nicely | 19:46 |
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| fungi | i see a number of things that clearly fit into either the helproom timeframe on monday/tuesday or as stuff we can hack on wednesday-friday | 19:47 |
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| jeblair | i agree with fungi's typing | 19:48 |
| fungi | i've tried to tag them just now | 19:49 |
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| clarkb | I see the tags | 19:49 |
| jeblair | what do we need to do to schedule that zuulv3 session thingy? | 19:49 |
| fungi | [reserve] is for stuff where we should reserve a slot in one of the cross-project rooms | 19:49 |
| fungi | there will be an ethercalc page | 19:49 |
| fungi | already is | 19:49 |
| jeblair | when do we do it? | 19:50 |
| fungi | #link https://ethercalc.openstack.org/Pike-PTG-Discussion-Rooms Pike PTG - Extra Discussion Rooms schedule | 19:50 |
| fungi | i think just pick times and stick stuff there | 19:51 |
| fungi | first come, first served | 19:51 |
| fungi | 30-minute slots, and the instructions say don't do more than two consecutive | 19:51 |
| fungi | so we can book hour-long double slots if we need | 19:51 |
| jeblair | monday is locked | 19:52 |
| fungi | i wonder if there's a reason for that | 19:53 |
| fungi | diablo_rojo or ttx might know, if either are around | 19:53 |
| jeblair | i assume we can unlock it, but yeah, it may be best to assume that's on purpose and ask first. :) | 19:53 |
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| jeblair | assuming it's possible, something like macon, monday, 2pm? | 19:54 |
| fungi | sounds reasonable | 19:54 |
| fungi | that's early enough in the week but after lunch | 19:54 |
| jeblair | yeah, i assume we'll be very busy before lunch. | 19:54 |
| fungi | that's my expectation as well | 19:55 |
| jeblair | maybe still after lunch too, but gotta do it sometime. :) | 19:55 |
| clarkb | as will everyone else | 19:55 |
| fungi | we could try to do 1:30-2:30 in macon but it'll likely be a slow start with everyone wrapping up lunch | 19:55 |
| jeblair | and oh yeah, should we try to keep it to 30m? | 19:55 |
| fungi | alternative would be to overlap neutron/ironic or service catalog discussions | 19:56 |
| jeblair | maybe increase the likelihood that people will actually show up if we keep it brief | 19:56 |
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| fungi | could also do 4:30-5:30 but the first half of that overlaps a watcher discussion and the second half people will likely be scouting nearby bars alerady | 19:56 |
| fungi | already | 19:56 |
| fungi | if you think half an hour is a good target for the session, i'm down with that plan | 19:57 |
| jeblair | it will be rushed, but i think that will be good. i can literally talk for hours about this stuff. | 19:57 |
| jeblair | no one wants that | 19:57 |
| fungi | and not expecting more than ~50 attendees? | 19:58 |
| jeblair | would be useful to have more. think it'll happen? | 19:58 |
| fungi | also plan to expect neutron/ironic people who may be disinterested in the topic wandering into macon before 2:30 | 19:58 |
| clarkb | my ptg room on debugging the gate was packed the first day, almost empty the second | 19:58 |
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| clarkb | so I expect yuo'll get quite a few people to show up if you do it once :) | 19:59 |
| fungi | okay, we're about out of time | 19:59 |
| jeblair | i'll try to get something scheduled | 19:59 |
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| fungi | thanks jeblair! i'll see if diablo_rojo or ttx can enlighten us on any reason for the locked monday cells | 20:00 |
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| fungi | thanks everyone for a productive meeting! | 20:00 |
| fungi | #endmeeting | 20:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Aug 1 20:00:29 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:00 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2017/infra.2017-08-01-19.02.html | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2017/infra.2017-08-01-19.02.txt | 20:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2017/infra.2017-08-01-19.02.log.html | 20:00 |
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| fungi | note, no tc meeting scheduled for this week, but join the tc for office hours coming up at 01:00 utc in #openstack-tc | 20:01 |
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