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| samP | hi all for Masakari.. | 04:00 |
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| abhishek_k | o/ | 04:00 |
| samP | #startmeeting masakari | 04:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jul 25 04:00:43 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is samP. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 04:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 04:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: masakari)" | 04:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'masakari' | 04:00 |
| samP | lets start Masakari meeting.. | 04:00 |
| sagara | Hi | 04:01 |
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| samP | sagara: abhishek_k: hi | 04:01 |
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| abhishek_k | hi samP | 04:01 |
| samP | Lets start with Bugs | 04:01 |
| abhishek_k | Tushar san will be 10 minutes late | 04:01 |
| samP | #topic Critical Bugs | 04:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Critical Bugs (Meeting topic: masakari)" | 04:01 | |
| samP | any bugs to discuss? | 04:01 |
| abhishek_k | let me check quickly | 04:02 |
| samP | If not let's jump in to Discussion. if any, you may address them in AOB later.. | 04:03 |
| samP | abhishek_k: thanks | 04:03 |
| abhishek_k | nothing sampath san | 04:03 |
| Dinesh_Bhor_ | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/masakari/+bug/1697629 This is not critical but improtant to fix. I have fix uploaded for it. | 04:03 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1697629 in masakari "Should not delete host of another segment" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Dinesh Bhor (dinesh-bhor) | 04:03 |
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| samP | Dinesh_Bhor_: thanks.. | 04:04 |
| samP | Dinesh_Bhor_: I will review this. thanks | 04:04 |
| Dinesh_Bhor_ | samP: thanks | 04:04 |
| samP | #topic Discussion points | 04:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Discussion points (Meeting topic: masakari)" | 04:05 | |
| samP | (1) Application for become OpenStack official project | 04:05 |
| samP | I would like to propose masakari to become official OpenStack project | 04:06 |
| samP | I discussed this with Terry in OpenStack Days Tokyo in 7/20-21 | 04:06 |
| abhishek_k | great news | 04:07 |
| rkmrHonjo | Thierry? | 04:07 |
| samP | I will send a mail to openstack-dev ML and propose this to community. And send submit the patch to openstack governance repo | 04:07 |
| samP | rkmrHonjo: sorry, mistake s/Terry/Thierry | 04:08 |
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| samP | if anyone have any objections or comments, please raise now.. | 04:08 |
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| rkmrHonjo | No objection. | 04:09 |
| samP | I will share the patch before I submit it to governance, you will have another chance to put your comments. | 04:09 |
| sagara | no objections, I agree to propose that | 04:09 |
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| Dinesh_Bhor_ | Great news, no objections | 04:09 |
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| samP | OK then, I will proceed. feel free to raise your comments any time on this.. | 04:10 |
| samP | Thanks | 04:10 |
| samP | (2) Install guide document | 04:10 |
| rkmrHonjo | I participated in OpenStackDays Tokyo in 7/20-21. | 04:11 |
| rkmrHonjo | In the event, some people said that they didn't know how to install masakari. | 04:11 |
| rkmrHonjo | So I thought that current install procedure in README.rst is not kind enough. I'd like to improve it. | 04:11 |
| rkmrHonjo | Does anyone do the same now? | 04:11 |
| samP | rkmrHonjo: thanks for the great presentation...\o/ | 04:11 |
| rkmrHonjo | samP: thanks. | 04:11 |
| samP | rkmrHonjo: README.rst was a quick work done by abhishek_k (if Im remember correctly..) | 04:12 |
| sagara | abhishek is writing a doc | 04:12 |
| abhishek_k | samP:right | 04:13 |
| samP | sagara: is that the API ref? | 04:13 |
| samP | abhishek_k: ^^ | 04:13 |
| rkmrHonjo | abhishek_k: Are you writing install document now? | 04:13 |
| abhishek_k | samP: yes | 04:13 |
| abhishek_k | rkmrHonjo: yes | 04:13 |
| samP | OK then, if abhishek_k is not working on install docs, then we can split the work with rkmrHonjo | 04:13 |
| tpatil | We should start writing installation guide for Ubuntu in the beginning | 04:14 |
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| samP | tpatil: agree | 04:14 |
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| abhishek_k | samP: I am working on the same, and have some work done | 04:14 |
| tpatil | Quick question: should we also add information of how masakari-monitor will detect node failures? | 04:15 |
| rkmrHonjo | abhishek_k: ok. Will you write about monitor? | 04:15 |
| samP | abhishek_k: Thanks. Is there are any part you wants to split? or is it almost done? | 04:15 |
| sagara | abhishek_k: could you write gerrit address here? | 04:15 |
| abhishek_k | rkmrHonjo: you can procced with monitors | 04:16 |
| abhishek_k | sagara: its not on community gerrit yet | 04:16 |
| abhishek_k | samP: I have covered related to masakari only | 04:16 |
| samP | abhishek_k: great..thanks | 04:17 |
| rkmrHonjo | abhishek_k: OK. I'll write about masakari-monitors installation. | 04:17 |
| abhishek_k | rkmrHonjo: thanks | 04:17 |
| samP | OK, then, rkmrHonjo can proceed with discriminators | 04:17 |
| samP | rkmrHonjo: abhishek_k: Thank you.. | 04:18 |
| samP | (3) Make nova "on_shared_storage" option configurable for evacuate API | 04:18 |
| samP | Patches are on gerrit for masakari side solution. | 04:19 |
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| samP | We discussed about Jay's proposal last week. Any progress on that? | 04:20 |
| Dinesh_Bhor_ | I have verified the solution Jay has suggested but it looks like it will not solve our problem: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-operators/2017-July/013967.html | 04:21 |
| tpatil | the main issue is resize revert won't work if the destination compute node is down | 04:22 |
| tpatil | destination compute node is the node on which the instance is resized | 04:22 |
| tpatil | and when this node is down, masakari will get notification to rescue the instances | 04:22 |
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| tpatil | Dinesh has already replied to his proposal on the mailing list | 04:24 |
| tpatil | Dinesh: is there any update post your reply? | 04:24 |
| abhishek_k | not yet | 04:24 |
| Dinesh_Bhor_ | No not yet | 04:24 |
| samP | Dinesh_Bhor_: tpatil: Thank you.. | 04:24 |
| samP | Let's watch the progress on ML | 04:24 |
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| samP | and let's proceed with our temporary solution in masakari side for this.. | 04:26 |
| tpatil | samP: Dinesh has already proposed that patch | 04:26 |
| samP | tpatil: Dinesh_Bhor_: thanks | 04:27 |
| Dinesh_Bhor_ | #link: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/469029/ | 04:27 |
| samP | Let's review that and merge. | 04:27 |
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| tpatil | samP: Sure | 04:27 |
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| rkmrHonjo | samP: ok. | 04:28 |
| samP | (4) Evacuates partially resized VMs | 04:28 |
| samP | Is this related to previous topic or new one? | 04:29 |
| abhishek_k | samP: Its related to above topic | 04:29 |
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| samP | ah.. my mistake.. | 04:29 |
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| samP | abhishek_k: you are correct | 04:30 |
| samP | let's move to next topic | 04:30 |
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| samP | (5) Remove ERROR instances from recovery targets when host failure happen | 04:30 |
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| rkmrHonjo | I sent my opinion about this topic to ML. | 04:30 |
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| samP | rkmrHonjo: I forget to replay that... sorry.. | 04:30 |
| rkmrHonjo | samP: No problem. Please send your opinions to ML or this meeting. | 04:31 |
| samP | rkmrHonjo: sure. | 04:31 |
| rkmrHonjo | thanks. | 04:31 |
| samP | (6) Recovery method customization | 04:31 |
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| samP | I think we need to discuss with Mistral team with this.. | 04:32 |
| tpatil | Mistral already support Restful api to register new actions, but it requires operator to restart mistral services to get these newly action into effect | 04:33 |
| abhishek_k | samP: we are working on a POC to register mistral actions on the fly | 04:33 |
| samP | abhishek_k: great.. | 04:33 |
| abhishek_k | Dinesh_Bhor has more update about it | 04:34 |
| samP | is better to discuss this with Mistral team before propose those changes? | 04:34 |
| samP | s/is/is it/ | 04:34 |
| tpatil | Dinesh: Is it possible to check if a particular action is already registered in Mistral? | 04:34 |
| Dinesh_Bhor_ | tpatil: Yes it is possible | 04:35 |
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| tpatil | Dinesh: Ok, great | 04:35 |
| Dinesh_Bhor_ | There was a similar requirement in triple-O like masakari to add custom actions | 04:36 |
| samP | Do we need to unregister | 04:36 |
| samP | Do we need to unregister or delete actions? | 04:36 |
| tpatil | samP: the idea is masakari will register these new actions, based on the yams file configured by the operator, if the action is not registered, register it. Then execute the workflow based on the notification type. | 04:36 |
| Dinesh_Bhor_ | They have adopted below approach: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/282366/30 | 04:36 |
| tpatil | for each notification type, there will be a workflow | 04:36 |
| Dinesh_Bhor_ | we can unregister those custom actions | 04:37 |
| samP | tpatil: got it. | 04:38 |
| tpatil | Dinesh_Bhor: so we can add the action in masakari code itself | 04:38 |
| Dinesh_Bhor_ | tpatil: yes | 04:38 |
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| tpatil | Dinesh_Bhor : Let's finish this POC and then Abhishek can update specs accordingly | 04:39 |
| samP | sure.. | 04:39 |
| Dinesh_Bhor_ | tpatil: ok | 04:39 |
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| tpatil | so there is no dependency on the mistral community ro add recovery action customization | 04:40 |
| tpatil | s/ro/to | 04:40 |
| Dinesh_Bhor_ | yes I think so | 04:40 |
| samP | OK then. Please share the PoC and update the spec. I would like to process the spec | 04:41 |
| tpatil | samP: Yes, we will take the POC forward and update you once it is done | 04:42 |
| samP | Thanks. | 04:42 |
| samP | If you wants to talk to Mistral team, please let me know. I will be there. | 04:42 |
| Dinesh_Bhor_ | samP: sure, thanks | 04:43 |
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| samP | (7) Masakari Pike work items | 04:43 |
| samP | Not much progress in other work items. | 04:44 |
| samP | Ah, Notifying API, need to review this.. | 04:44 |
| rkmrHonjo | samP: Notifying is not API, that is RPC, log, etc. I replied to you on gerrit. Please check it. | 04:45 |
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| samP | rkmrHonjo: sure.. I will recheck that | 04:46 |
| rkmrHonjo | samP: thanks. | 04:46 |
| samP | (8) masakari-manage db purge | 04:46 |
| tpatil | specs to be reviewed | 04:46 |
| samP | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/473379/ | 04:47 |
| tpatil | # link : https://review.openstack.org/#/c/473379/ | 04:47 |
| samP | I will recheck this and approve it.. sorry for the delay. | 04:47 |
| samP | #topic AOB | 04:48 |
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| samP | Any other topics to discuss? | 04:48 |
| rkmrHonjo | no. | 04:49 |
| samP | I will be attending to Ops meetup in Mexico on 8/9-10 | 04:49 |
| samP | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/MEX-ops-meetup | 04:49 |
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| samP | In L62, OpenStack Resiliency is proposed | 04:50 |
| samP | This session is about HA in openstack. please put your comments or questions on this. | 04:50 |
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| samP | And OpenStackExtreme Testing in L-77 | 04:51 |
| samP | Main purpose of the sessions are, get the feedback from ops and share new features | 04:52 |
| rkmrHonjo | samP:Could I put comments even if I don't participate in the meetup? | 04:52 |
| samP | rkmrHonjo: sure. | 04:52 |
| rkmrHonjo | samP: I see. | 04:52 |
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| Dinesh_Bhor_ | I just submitted one patch to deprecate the masakari_topic conf option. Please add your comments on the patch if you have any concerns on this: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/485119/ | 04:52 |
| rkmrHonjo | Dinesh_Bhor: Sure. | 04:53 |
| tpatil | Dinesh_Bhor: I will review this patch tpday | 04:53 |
| Dinesh_Bhor_ | thanks | 04:53 |
| tpatil | s/tpday/today | 04:54 |
| Dinesh_Bhor_ | samP: one thing to ask to sampath san, should I proceed with adding python-masakariclient to global-requirements? | 04:54 |
| samP | Dinesh_Bhor_: yes. I fixed the versions and you may proceed now. | 04:55 |
| Dinesh_Bhor_ | samP: ok thanks | 04:55 |
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| samP | Dinesh_Bhor_: How about other projects? Are they not allowed to config RPC topics? | 04:56 |
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| Dinesh_Bhor_ | samP: yes, they have removed all such config options | 04:57 |
| samP | Dinesh_Bhor_: got it. | 04:57 |
| samP | I will review this. Thanks for the fix. | 04:57 |
| Dinesh_Bhor_ | samP: thanks | 04:57 |
| samP | If nothing else to discuss, lets finish the meeting. | 04:58 |
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| samP | Please use #openstack-masakari or openstack-dev ML with [masakari] for further discussions.. | 04:58 |
| samP | Thank you all.. | 04:58 |
| sagara_ | thanks | 04:58 |
| rkmrHonjo | thanks. | 04:59 |
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| Dinesh_Bhor_ | thanks all | 04:59 |
| samP | #endmeeting | 04:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jul 25 04:59:30 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 04:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/masakari/2017/masakari.2017-07-25-04.00.html | 04:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/masakari/2017/masakari.2017-07-25-04.00.txt | 04:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/masakari/2017/masakari.2017-07-25-04.00.log.html | 04:59 |
| rkmrHonjo | bye. | 04:59 |
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| samP | Thans all.. bye | 04:59 |
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| lucky__ | hey | 11:24 |
| lucky__ | i have reported a blue print in cinder. | 11:24 |
| lucky__ | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/cinder/+spec/update-command-for-group-snapshot | 11:25 |
| lucky__ | i just want to know the next step for the same | 11:26 |
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| lucky__ | what all things i need to put | 11:27 |
| lucky__ | ?? | 11:27 |
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| igordcard | #startmeeting network_common_flow_classifier | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jul 25 14:00:02 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is igordcard. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'network_common_flow_classifier' | 14:00 |
| igordcard | hi all | 14:00 |
| bcafarel | hey igordcard | 14:00 |
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| igordcard | give me 4 minutes, as I have to change rooms, thanks | 14:03 |
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| bcafarel | that's a big building :) | 14:04 |
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| igordcard | back | 14:05 |
| igordcard | alright, agenda: | 14:06 |
| igordcard | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Neutron/CommonClassificationFramework#Discussion_Topic_25_July_2017 | 14:06 |
| igordcard | #topic CCF v0 - first wave of code | 14:06 |
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| igordcard | so the plan was to submit the code before pike-3 | 14:08 |
| bcafarel | like, in 2 days? | 14:08 |
| igordcard | david and thaynara are trimming a few rough edges and will submit the code by the end of the day | 14:09 |
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| igordcard | one thing it will not have is consistency with the API endpoints defined in the spec, yet | 14:09 |
| igordcard | but most of the rest will be aligned already | 14:11 |
| igordcard | david, what other info have you got? | 14:12 |
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| davidsha | Ya, It has the Ethernet, IPv4, IPv6, TCP and UDP. The problem with API inconsistency was that I made a resource for each one instead of specifying a type in a "Classification" resource. | 14:13 |
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| igordcard | so /classifications vs. /ipv4_classification and all the rest | 14:14 |
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| davidsha | The other way around, but yes | 14:14 |
| davidsha | I'll submit the incorrect version just so people can see and test the general idea, and try to have the correct version up asap. | 14:15 |
| igordcard | yes, current state is latter example right? | 14:15 |
| davidsha | yes | 14:15 |
| igordcard | so most of the parts will be the same except how the resources are expressed in the API right? | 14:16 |
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| davidsha | Yes, I'm not sure over internal database stuff will I make a generic "classification" object and make it the same as the API or actually store them in different tables based on type. | 14:19 |
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| davidsha | But this probably isn't so important if everything will be retrieving classifications through the API rather than accessing it directly. | 14:20 |
| igordcard | in terms of tables the schema from the spec should work with both API approaches | 14:21 |
| davidsha | ack, then it's fine as it is. It's just translate the new API on top of it. | 14:22 |
| igordcard | and then at the API you'll have a generic classification object | 14:22 |
| igordcard | or resource* | 14:22 |
| davidsha | kk, cool. | 14:22 |
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| igordcard | definition validation will be handled by the plugin instead of the extension | 14:22 |
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| igordcard | davidsha: after this patch we split in different patches with the different logical pieces | 14:24 |
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| davidsha | Ya, we're planning on adding a little bit of validation. but just checking that for example an IPv6 address isn't passed into a IPv4 classification. | 14:24 |
| igordcard | davidsha: when would those pieces be ready? (this is including the API change work) | 14:24 |
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| igordcard | davidsha: cool | 14:24 |
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| davidsha | igordcard: We'll aim for the next meeting. | 14:27 |
| igordcard | alright davidsha | 14:27 |
| igordcard | meanwhile with the patch from today we can start reviewing and discussing | 14:28 |
| igordcard | moving on... | 14:28 |
| igordcard | #topic Open discussion | 14:28 |
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| igordcard | bcafarel's favourite part | 14:28 |
| * bcafarel gets the coffee ready | 14:28 | |
| bcafarel | :) | 14:28 |
| igordcard | I'm actually literally going to get a coffee now | 14:28 |
| davidsha | :D | 14:28 |
| davidsha | If there are any pastries could someone pass me one.... | 14:29 |
| davidsha | Are there any Questions about v0 code? | 14:29 |
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| bcafarel | sadly none from my part, I did not even have the time to open the review :( | 14:30 |
| bcafarel | only time to +1 igordcard's repo cleanup commit | 14:30 |
| igordcard | bcafarel: the code isn't there yet :p | 14:31 |
| davidsha | Someone submitted an RFE for security groups and the neutron drivers recomended they adopt neutron classifier into security groups rather than extending the existing API. | 14:31 |
| davidsha | Just as a heads up. | 14:31 |
| igordcard | davidsha: was just about to link it here | 14:31 |
| igordcard | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1690921 | 14:31 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1476527 in neutron "duplicate for #1690921 [RFE] Add common classifier resource" [Wishlist,Triaged] - Assigned to Igor Duarte Cardoso (igordcard) | 14:31 |
| igordcard | generally the CCF looks enough to achieve this | 14:32 |
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| bcafarel | igordcard: ah that's why :) (I was thinking about the current poc review) | 14:32 |
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| igordcard | but depending on the very specifics of the use case there might a shortcoming or two | 14:32 |
| bcafarel | nice, that could mean more people here (with interest on security groups) | 14:33 |
| igordcard | so I'll conttinue to follow this discussion | 14:33 |
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| igordcard | bcafarel: yeah, more people from SG here would be good, to get some info about their plans and what it would take / and how long, to migrate to CCF | 14:34 |
| davidsha | igordcard: Did you take up the task to actually implement the consumption of classifications in security groups? | 14:34 |
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| igordcard | we can also start having conversations with them, but the focus now is to wrap up v0 and then start doing incremental changes and open the window for enhancements | 14:35 |
| igordcard | davidsha: no, why? | 14:35 |
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| davidsha | igordcard: you marked yourself an assignee | 14:36 |
| igordcard | davidsha: that's the original common classifier RFE, you're looking at the wrong link | 14:37 |
| davidsha | igordcard: Oh, moving on! | 14:37 |
| igordcard | actually not sure whether that origianl RFE should be closed by now... | 14:38 |
| igordcard | ihar created a blueprint specifically for the CCF some time ago: | 14:38 |
| igordcard | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/common-classification-framework | 14:39 |
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| igordcard | but armax marked the SG RFE as duplicate of the original CCF RFE | 14:39 |
| davidsha | Ya | 14:39 |
| igordcard | probably too early in the morning for you armax, but if you're there do you think the RFE should be closed? | 14:40 |
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| armax | igordcard: which one? | 14:41 |
| igordcard | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1476527 | 14:41 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1476527 in neutron "[RFE] Add common classifier resource" [Wishlist,Triaged] - Assigned to Igor Duarte Cardoso (igordcard) | 14:41 |
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| igordcard | armax: taking into account that this was created recently: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/common-classification-framework | 14:41 |
| igordcard | armax: comment from RFE link: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1476527/comments/38 | 14:42 |
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| armax | the RFE would close as released when there’s something being released, no? | 14:42 |
| igordcard | armax: makes sense, was just wondering if it was still needed with the blueprint created to track the progress | 14:43 |
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| igordcard | armax: thank you; we are in open discussion, let us know if you have any question about ccf | 14:44 |
| armax | the state change happens on its own typically once there’s a patch that markes the bug to be closed | 14:45 |
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| igordcard | armax: halright.. so the plan is to have an initial version soon, but the first consumable version only by Queens - that means the final Closes-Bug patch would be by Queens only correct? | 14:46 |
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| armax | yeah, I would think so | 14:47 |
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| igordcard | armax: perfect, thanks | 14:47 |
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| igordcard | any other questions? | 14:48 |
| davidsha | I'm good | 14:49 |
| igordcard | alright folks, this is all | 14:50 |
| davidsha | thanks! | 14:50 |
| igordcard | I actually got tea instead of coffee, but that should count too bcafarel? | 14:50 |
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| igordcard | bye all | 14:50 |
| bcafarel | :) | 14:50 |
| bcafarel | igordcard: I will think about it until next time | 14:50 |
| igordcard | okay bcafarel! | 14:50 |
| igordcard | #endmeeting | 14:51 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jul 25 14:51:04 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:51 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/network_common_flow_classifier/2017/network_common_flow_classifier.2017-07-25-14.00.html | 14:51 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/network_common_flow_classifier/2017/network_common_flow_classifier.2017-07-25-14.00.txt | 14:51 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/network_common_flow_classifier/2017/network_common_flow_classifier.2017-07-25-14.00.log.html | 14:51 |
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| ihrachys | #startmeeting neutron_ci | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jul 25 16:00:52 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ihrachys. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_ci' | 16:00 |
| ihrachys | jlibosva, o/ | 16:01 |
| jlibosva | hi | 16:01 |
| ihrachys | #topic Actions from prev week | 16:01 |
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| ihrachys | "jlibosva to report bugs for eventlet and maybe oslo.service for eventlet signal/timer issue with py3" | 16:01 |
| ihrachys | jlibosva, I recollect you reported a bug against oslo.service | 16:01 |
| jlibosva | there was one reported by Victor IIRC | 16:02 |
| ihrachys | https://bugs.launchpad.net/oslo.service/+bug/1705047 | 16:02 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1705047 in oslo.service "Race condition in signal handling on Python 3" [Undecided,New] | 16:02 |
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| jlibosva | yep | 16:02 |
| jlibosva | that one | 16:02 |
| ihrachys | was one reported for eventlet? or it's not really a bug for them? | 16:02 |
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| jlibosva | I think he was working on a fix for eventlet but he sent me only this one, lemme check | 16:03 |
| ihrachys | what's his irc nick? | 16:03 |
| jlibosva | I don't see any eventlet issues on github, seems like that's their bugtracker | 16:03 |
| jlibosva | vstinner is his irc nick | 16:04 |
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| ihrachys | ok | 16:05 |
| ihrachys | well if it's oslo.service so be it | 16:05 |
| ihrachys | I assume we will see a fix in the near future | 16:05 |
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| ihrachys | but we may need to track it so that we can close it in pike | 16:05 |
| jlibosva | would be good if that'd go to oslo service | 16:06 |
| jlibosva | imho | 16:06 |
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| ihrachys | yeah, no new eventlet requirement | 16:06 |
| haleyb | hi | 16:06 |
| ihrachys | haleyb, heya | 16:06 |
| ihrachys | ok, next item was "jlibosva to post patch splitting OVN from OvsVenvFixture" | 16:06 |
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| jlibosva | I did but it's a WIP - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/484874/ | 16:06 |
| jlibosva | failing tests | 16:06 |
| jlibosva | oh, I see I pushed wrong patch :) | 16:07 |
| jlibosva | in comments there | 16:07 |
| jlibosva | anyway, there is still work to be done there | 16:07 |
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| haleyb | hi there | 16:07 |
| jlibosva | hello | 16:08 |
| ihrachys | jlibosva, do you need reviews at this point, or you want to spin on it? | 16:08 |
| jlibosva | ihrachys: no reviews needed | 16:08 |
| ihrachys | ack | 16:08 |
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| ihrachys | next was "ihrachys to look at why fullstack switch to rootwrap/d-g broke some test cases" | 16:08 |
| ihrachys | you think I did this time? not in a slightest. | 16:09 |
| ihrachys | and seems like I am swamped for this week too | 16:09 |
| ihrachys | so if someone would like to take a look, feel free to take over | 16:09 |
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| ihrachys | next was "haleyb to collect feedback of key contributors on multinode-by-default patch" | 16:09 |
| ihrachys | haleyb, what's the result of the thread on switching to multinode grenade for integrated gate? | 16:10 |
| haleyb | there weren't many comments | 16:10 |
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| ihrachys | general stance seems to be "let's try it and see"? | 16:11 |
| haleyb | i will ping the QA PTL to make sure they don't have a problem, tihnk it's andreaf | 16:11 |
| ihrachys | ack | 16:11 |
| haleyb | otherwise we'll see what happens :) | 16:11 |
| ihrachys | one question I had that I am not clear is whether we want to get rid of single node coverage for grenade repo itself | 16:12 |
| ihrachys | there may be a reason to keep it working for cases like local reproduction | 16:12 |
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| ihrachys | not sure who is responsible for grenade to make this call | 16:13 |
| haleyb | i can leave it in the check and gate queues there | 16:13 |
| ihrachys | haleyb, that would be definitely on safe side. they can decide to clean up on their own | 16:13 |
| haleyb | that might fall under qa as well, i'll find out | 16:14 |
| ihrachys | #action haleyb to reach out to QA PTL about switching grenade integrated gate to multinode | 16:14 |
| ihrachys | next item was "jlibosva to send a debug patch for random test runner murders, and recheck, recheck, recheck" | 16:14 |
| ihrachys | this is in relation to functional test timeouts we saw the prev weeks | 16:14 |
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| jlibosva | I sent out one patch today | 16:14 |
| ihrachys | to recap, the current failures were triaged and classified in https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-functional-gate-failures-july | 16:14 |
| jlibosva | ihrachys: I also re-shuffled the above, most of the firewall failures were caused by test executor kill | 16:15 |
| ihrachys | you mean this? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/487065/2/tools/kill.sh | 16:15 |
| jlibosva | fortunately, we do log all execute() calls. unfortunately, there is no call having pid of killed executor | 16:16 |
| jlibosva | ihrachys: yes, that one | 16:16 |
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| jlibosva | so I thought I'll log each call to kill bin | 16:16 |
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| jlibosva | which won't catch calls like os.kill() from python but at least it's something | 16:16 |
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| ihrachys | jlibosva, cool. btw we could probably use the -index.txt log file to get messages from all tests executed around the Killed message | 16:17 |
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| ihrachys | maybe that is easier to spot some other thread calling kill | 16:17 |
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| ihrachys | though the number of messages there may be hard to digest | 16:17 |
| ihrachys | jlibosva, so the plan now is to recheck the patch until it hits the timeout? | 16:18 |
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| jlibosva | probably, maybe if it won't cause much issues, we could merge it and wait for failure | 16:18 |
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| ihrachys | ack | 16:19 |
| ihrachys | let's review the state next week | 16:19 |
| ihrachys | #action jlibosva to recheck the tools/kill.sh patch until it hits timeout and report back | 16:19 |
| ihrachys | that's all there is regarding action items | 16:20 |
| ihrachys | #topic Grafana | 16:20 |
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| ihrachys | http://grafana.openstack.org/dashboard/db/neutron-failure-rate | 16:20 |
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| ihrachys | haleyb, I see in grenade gate queue, dvr flavour is nuts | 16:20 |
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| ihrachys | regular at 0% but dvr is 30%? | 16:21 |
| ihrachys | it's the job we propose for the integrated gate right? | 16:21 |
| ihrachys | the chart: http://grafana.openstack.org/dashboard/db/neutron-failure-rate?panelId=6&fullscreen | 16:21 |
| haleyb | ihrachys: yes, since 00 GMT it seems, i'll look | 16:22 |
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| ihrachys | #action haleyb to look at why dvr grenade flavour surged to 30% failure rate comparing to 0% for other grenades | 16:22 |
| ihrachys | as for non-voting jobs... | 16:24 |
| ihrachys | http://grafana.openstack.org/dashboard/db/neutron-failure-rate?panelId=10&fullscreen | 16:24 |
| ihrachys | this is tempest check queue chart | 16:24 |
| ihrachys | we have scenarios at ~100% for a long time | 16:24 |
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| ihrachys | jlibosva, do we have grasp as to what happens there still? | 16:24 |
| haleyb | the dvr-ha-multinode check job is also nuts | 16:24 |
| ihrachys | is it same trunk connectivity? | 16:24 |
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| jlibosva | ihrachys: the migrations are broken - from legacy to ha or alike | 16:24 |
| ihrachys | haleyb, yep. the fact it's at ~100% is reassuring though | 16:25 |
| ihrachys | haleyb, should be easy to reproduce | 16:25 |
| jlibosva | also I saw one failure related to trunk port lifecycle, which seemed like port status is not updated | 16:25 |
| jlibosva | and then there is east_west fip test that's also failing | 16:25 |
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| ihrachys | jlibosva, http://logs.openstack.org/22/410422/24/check/gate-tempest-dsvm-neutron-dvr-multinode-scenario-ubuntu-xenial-nv/67e24b4/console.html#_2017-07-24_23_58_32_020051 seems like a good example of migration breakage? | 16:26 |
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| ihrachys | jlibosva, do you think it makes sense to start with classifying failures? and then we could send an email to openstack-dev@ asking for help? | 16:27 |
| ihrachys | ofc we would need to report bugs first | 16:27 |
| ihrachys | I am afraid this job is not going anywhere for quite some time, and it may repeat the story of fullstack and friends never getting to voting | 16:28 |
| jlibosva | yeah, that sounds like a good plan. I can look at it on Friday | 16:28 |
| ihrachys | jlibosva, cooool | 16:28 |
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| ihrachys | #action jlibosva to classify current scenario failures and send email to openstack-dev@ asking for help | 16:28 |
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| ihrachys | #action haleyb to check why dvr-ha job is at ~100% failure rate | 16:28 |
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| jlibosva | we're not innocent, we're developers doing qe :) | 16:29 |
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| ihrachys | ok, looking at other charts, there is probably nothing serious there except what we covered | 16:30 |
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| jlibosva | the migration tests might be actually uncovering legitimate bugs | 16:30 |
| ihrachys | jlibosva, would be interesting to play with logstash to see when it started. if we can spot time, we can find the offender easily. | 16:31 |
| ihrachys | it should have the failure in its scenario log | 16:31 |
| jlibosva | I don't think we have enough data to do so, it's been already a while | 16:31 |
| ihrachys | oh ok | 16:31 |
| jlibosva | and we have logstash for a week or so, no? | 16:31 |
| ihrachys | yeah, something like 1-2 week | 16:32 |
| ihrachys | sadly | 16:32 |
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| ihrachys | they seem to be bloated with logs lately (hence the push to consolidate jobs) | 16:32 |
| ihrachys | #topic Fullstack isolation | 16:32 |
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| jlibosva | yeah, as per logstash, it started on 17th :) | 16:32 |
| ihrachys | jlibosva, we discussed that topic the last time, was there any progress since then? | 16:32 |
| jlibosva | unfortunately not, I just have a plan in my had that I need to implement | 16:33 |
| ihrachys | ok no rush | 16:33 |
| ihrachys | #topic Open discussion | 16:33 |
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| jlibosva | I wanted to also introduce something like network description but today I decided I'll defer it and use the current bridges | 16:33 |
| ihrachys | anything else to discuss? | 16:33 |
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| jlibosva | about the multinode-dvr running neutron tests - | 16:34 |
| jlibosva | how about adding some skipping to those tests that are reproducible on local environments | 16:34 |
| jlibosva | and then solve those issues with lower priority | 16:34 |
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| jlibosva | if there are any like that | 16:34 |
| ihrachys | jlibosva, what is the job you refer to? the scenario for migration failures? | 16:34 |
| jlibosva | yeah, if they are consistent | 16:35 |
| jlibosva | I didn't check tho. I checked that east_west tests are not reproducible easily, at least not on my env | 16:35 |
| ihrachys | if they are consistent; if we reported bugs; and if we asked for help, yes I think we can do that | 16:35 |
| ihrachys | probably on gate level, not tempest plugin | 16:35 |
| ihrachys | so that downstream consumers suffer :p | 16:35 |
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| jlibosva | lol | 16:36 |
| ihrachys | and other plugins don't lose coverage | 16:36 |
| jlibosva | makes sense, I was thinking on tempest plugin but gate is better | 16:36 |
| jlibosva | thanks | 16:36 |
| jlibosva | that's all from me | 16:36 |
| ihrachys | I think midonet actively runs tests from our tree | 16:36 |
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| haleyb | luckily that job is non-voting | 16:36 |
| jlibosva | that's a question, if it would be voting, it would get more attention and priority :D | 16:37 |
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| ihrachys | yeah, we should target voting even if it means loosing some coverage along the way. voting with less tests is more than non-voting with plenty of tests no one cares | 16:37 |
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| ihrachys | ok I think we can close the meeting | 16:38 |
| ihrachys | thanks folks | 16:38 |
| ihrachys | #endmeeting | 16:38 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 16:38 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jul 25 16:38:30 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:38 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_ci/2017/neutron_ci.2017-07-25-16.00.html | 16:38 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_ci/2017/neutron_ci.2017-07-25-16.00.txt | 16:38 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_ci/2017/neutron_ci.2017-07-25-16.00.log.html | 16:38 |
| ihrachys | take your 22 minutes! | 16:38 |
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| jlibosva | thanks, bye | 16:38 |
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| lbragstad | #startmeeting keystone | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jul 25 18:00:03 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is lbragstad. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 18:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'keystone' | 18:00 |
| knikolla | o/ | 18:00 |
| lbragstad | ping ayoung, breton, cmurphy, dstanek, edmondsw, gagehugo, henrynash, hrybacki, knikolla, lamt, lbragstad, lwanderley, notmorgan, rderose, rodrigods, samueldmq, spilla, aselius, dpar | 18:00 |
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| lbragstad | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/keystone-weekly-meeting | 18:00 |
| lbragstad | agenda ^ | 18:00 |
| rodrigods | hey | 18:00 |
| spilla | o/ | 18:00 |
| samueldmq | hi o/ | 18:00 |
| lamt | o/ | 18:00 |
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| gagehugo | o/ | 18:00 |
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| rderose | o/ | 18:01 |
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| lbragstad | #topic announcements: feature status | 18:01 |
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| lbragstad | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/keystone/pike | 18:02 |
| lbragstad | this week is the deadline for all feature work | 18:02 |
| lbragstad | the biggest changes we have to go through is the project tags implementation | 18:02 |
| lbragstad | it looks like most of that is getting broken into smaller patch sets though | 18:03 |
| rodrigods | is everything in the same topic? | 18:03 |
| rodrigods | on gerrit, i mean | 18:03 |
| gagehugo | should be | 18:03 |
| rodrigods | cool | 18:03 |
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| gagehugo | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/project-tags | 18:03 |
| rodrigods | thanks gagehugo | 18:03 |
| raildo | o/ | 18:04 |
| samueldmq | lbragstad: gagehugo I added a topic at the end to talk a bit on how we implement that | 18:04 |
| samueldmq | I have some suggestions/questions. would be great to discuss here | 18:04 |
| gagehugo | sounds good | 18:04 |
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| lbragstad | I'll propose app creds and extend user API to support federated attributes to backlog | 18:05 |
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| * samueldmq nods | 18:05 | |
| samueldmq | that makes sense to me | 18:06 |
| lbragstad | #info application credentials will be bumped to Queens | 18:06 |
| lbragstad | #info extending the user API to support federated attributes will be bumped to Queens | 18:06 |
| lbragstad | #topic announcements: bugs | 18:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "announcements: bugs (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 18:06 | |
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| lbragstad | by EOW we're going to be in full bug mode | 18:07 |
| lbragstad | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/keystone-pike-bugs | 18:07 |
| lbragstad | i'm going through all bugs opened in PIke and prioritizing accordingly | 18:07 |
| lbragstad | by the end of today - i should have a list of things targeted to pike-rc1 | 18:08 |
| lbragstad | out target week for rc1 is going to be August 11th | 18:08 |
| lbragstad | which is about 3 weeks away | 18:08 |
| lbragstad | #topic default roles for domains | 18:09 |
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| lbragstad | dpar o/ | 18:09 |
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| lbragstad | this was on our agenda last week too | 18:09 |
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| lbragstad | we'll circle back if dpar shows up | 18:10 |
| lbragstad | #topic project tags | 18:10 |
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| lbragstad | samueldmq: gagehugo o/ | 18:10 |
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| samueldmq | so, I was discussing a few points with gagehugo (and others involved) | 18:10 |
| samueldmq | regarding the current implementation | 18:10 |
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| samueldmq | 1) do we really need separate policies for the project-tags operations? | 18:10 |
| samueldmq | why not re-use the project's ones ? same rule of project_update for updating tags, for examples | 18:11 |
| samueldmq | example* | 18:11 |
| knikolla | probably we do. | 18:11 |
| samueldmq | since tags IS an attribute of a project | 18:11 |
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| samueldmq | we don't control any other attribute differently | 18:12 |
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| samueldmq | why are tags that special? | 18:12 |
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| gagehugo | are there other attributes that have their own urls? | 18:12 |
| lbragstad | i don't think so | 18:13 |
| knikolla | i generally like the granularity. | 18:13 |
| lbragstad | eventually it would be great to be more granular | 18:13 |
| lbragstad | but we have so much work todo before we get to that point | 18:13 |
| knikolla | also allows special project management software to be tied in without being given the keys to the cloud. | 18:13 |
| gagehugo | the current implementation makes the new rules default to what projects is | 18:13 |
| gagehugo | the naming of that rule_project_admin_required isn't very good | 18:14 |
| samueldmq | I'd go for re-using what we have (and being consistent with the rest of the attributes) | 18:14 |
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| gagehugo | we would have to hack the protector then wouldn't we to do something special for project tags? | 18:14 |
| samueldmq | when we get to better policies (more granular), I hope we will be able to be more granular and check on the attributes | 18:14 |
| lbragstad | maybe a better question is - how hard would it be to break that out later and have project tags be separate? | 18:14 |
| knikolla | if we're eventually going to more granular policies, why not start now with this? | 18:15 |
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| gagehugo | knikolla that's what we thought | 18:15 |
| gagehugo | this will probably have to be changed in the future | 18:15 |
| gagehugo | it is weird though, tags is an attribute | 18:15 |
| samueldmq | knikolla: would be great to figure out how we will do that | 18:16 |
| samueldmq | maybe we will have the same policy, but will allow to check on different attributes within the policy rule | 18:16 |
| gagehugo | but it stands on it's own behind the scenes | 18:16 |
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| samueldmq | I wouldnt change that all of a sudden. | 18:16 |
| samueldmq | and as pointed out by lbragstad, we can always expand that into several rules later | 18:16 |
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| samueldmq | if that's what we want, and how we decide to go for more granular access | 18:17 |
| lbragstad | if we're restrictive to start out, it's easy to loosen the constraint later | 18:17 |
| samueldmq | can you imagine if we start adding new policy rules per resource'attribute | 18:17 |
| lbragstad | s/easy/easier/ | 18:17 |
| knikolla | do you see other use cases for project attributes? and something that we will add often? | 18:17 |
| samueldmq | ig you think from the API point of view, tags is just a regular attribute of projects | 18:18 |
| knikolla | i thought that was specifically shut down previously | 18:18 |
| samueldmq | at least this is how I see them | 18:18 |
| knikolla | and tags was the most people agreed to add to projects | 18:18 |
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| samueldmq | I am not disagreeing on adding tags to projects | 18:19 |
| gagehugo | so we can hack in to have tags follow the project policy, then fix it later. Or just create the rules now and be different from other attributes? | 18:19 |
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| samueldmq | if we make it special/different, there is no way to get back from that. | 18:19 |
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| samueldmq | specially because we dont have a deprecation workflow for policy rules yet | 18:20 |
| lbragstad | gagehugo: your project admins are going to be the ones using project tags, right? | 18:20 |
| samueldmq | starting how we do it nowadays, and making more granular (as we discover how to do that ) would be better imo | 18:20 |
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| lbragstad | gagehugo: you don't need to have a separate role defined to manage project tags? | 18:20 |
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| gagehugo | lbragstad ours will be yes, others might not? | 18:21 |
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| lbragstad | if you reuse the project policies, does that require hacking the protected method? | 18:21 |
| gagehugo | That's what it looks like | 18:21 |
| gagehugo | will have to make a special case for if tags, enforce project policy | 18:22 |
| lbragstad | I'd be inclined to separate the policies specific to get around having a hack for it | 18:22 |
| samueldmq | gagehugo: all the new APIs for CRUDing policies are in accordance of what nova did, correct? | 18:22 |
| gagehugo | samueldmq for the most part yes | 18:22 |
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| lbragstad | does nova has a separate policy for tags? | 18:23 |
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| samueldmq | gagehugo: the part of having separate APIs for handling the tags (adding,removing) within resources... | 18:23 |
| lbragstad | i guess it doesn't really make much sense to have operators deal with tag policies in one project and not in another | 18:23 |
| samueldmq | lbragstad: that is a good question | 18:23 |
| gagehugo | lbragstad yes | 18:24 |
| lbragstad | they do have a separate policy for tags? | 18:24 |
| gagehugo | https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/policies/server_tags.py | 18:24 |
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| lbragstad | ah ha | 18:24 |
| lbragstad | well - i suppose that's another reason to split it out into it's own policy (for consistency) | 18:25 |
| gagehugo | plus separate policies seemed easier than hacking the protector | 18:25 |
| gagehugo | which I do agree with samueldmq that it is weird | 18:25 |
| gagehugo | since the other attributes don't have them (yet?) | 18:25 |
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| lbragstad | should we vote? | 18:26 |
| lbragstad | or do we have consensus | 18:26 |
| samueldmq | I am okay with adding new policies now | 18:26 |
| samueldmq | for consistency with nova | 18:26 |
| lbragstad | yeah - same here | 18:26 |
| samueldmq | would be great to try to use the same names they use | 18:27 |
| lbragstad | anyone else have objections to the approach? | 18:27 |
| samueldmq | or similar ones for the tags operations | 18:27 |
| samueldmq | so that it's not confusing to operators | 18:27 |
| gagehugo | samueldmq can def take a look | 18:27 |
| samueldmq | and let's add exactly the same operations on tags | 18:27 |
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| gagehugo | yea | 18:27 |
| samueldmq | I guess we dont need to do more than they do | 18:27 |
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| lbragstad | gagehugo: cool - anything else? | 18:28 |
| samueldmq | I think I have somehting else | 18:28 |
| samueldmq | just one more detail | 18:28 |
| lbragstad | samueldmq: go for it | 18:28 |
| samueldmq | why don;t we just re-use the project manager/drivers for handling the tags | 18:28 |
| samueldmq | maybe the manager, the driver needs to be separate as we have a different table? | 18:29 |
| samueldmq | that's an idea, of course would like to get some views on it | 18:29 |
| samueldmq | for the sake of simplifying the implementation | 18:29 |
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| samueldmq | as of today, they don't share anything than the directory the code is in | 18:30 |
| lbragstad | I need to review that change | 18:30 |
| samueldmq | nevermind me. I guess it's sane to go for it as it is organized right now | 18:30 |
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| samueldmq | and if we want to refactor we can do tht | 18:30 |
| samueldmq | it isn't a terrible amount of code | 18:31 |
| gagehugo | samueldmq it uses the same manager doesn't it? | 18:31 |
| lbragstad | yeah - we should be able to refactor it later, we've done that with the project and domain controllers/managers in the past | 18:31 |
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| samueldmq | lbragstad: ++ | 18:31 |
| samueldmq | gagehugo: hmm I think so. maybe we could use the same driver? | 18:31 |
| samueldmq | I don't think there is a rule that says 1 driver - 1 table. I'd go 1 driver 1 entity. | 18:32 |
| samueldmq | and in this case the project is split in more than one table | 18:32 |
| samueldmq | but as I said, anyways. this is not the most important thing now | 18:32 |
| gagehugo | ok | 18:32 |
| samueldmq | the API/policy behavior is the key | 18:32 |
| lbragstad | let's shoot to follow the convention nova set | 18:32 |
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| knikolla | i gave a quick look and it seems sensible the way it's organized. | 18:33 |
| lbragstad | with server tags | 18:33 |
| samueldmq | lbragstad: ++ | 18:33 |
| lbragstad | anything else related to project tags? | 18:33 |
| samueldmq | gagehugo said he'll look at it and make us consistent | 18:33 |
| samueldmq | lbragstad: not from me, thanka | 18:33 |
| lbragstad | #topic open discussion | 18:33 |
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| lbragstad | floor is open | 18:33 |
| gagehugo | you can always ping me too about questions, I will be around | 18:33 |
| gagehugo | or lamt | 18:34 |
| lbragstad | i'll be reviewing that stuff today | 18:34 |
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| samueldmq | sure, I saw lamt has been updating some of those patches too | 18:34 |
| samueldmq | lbragstad: I will be going through the nova api-docs and make sure our implementation is consistent | 18:35 |
| samueldmq | that should be enough | 18:35 |
| lbragstad | works for me | 18:35 |
| lbragstad | looks like we can get some time back before office hours starts | 18:35 |
| lbragstad | thanks for coming! | 18:36 |
| knikolla | please don't strive for consistency at the expense of other things. | 18:36 |
| lbragstad | #endmeeting | 18:36 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 18:36 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jul 25 18:36:06 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:36 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2017/keystone.2017-07-25-18.00.html | 18:36 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2017/keystone.2017-07-25-18.00.txt | 18:36 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2017/keystone.2017-07-25-18.00.log.html | 18:36 |
| lbragstad | knikolla: sorry - totally didn't mean to cut you off there | 18:36 |
| knikolla | lbragstad: nah no worries. | 18:36 |
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| fungi | infra team, let's meet! | 19:00 |
| AJaeger | o/ | 19:00 |
| eumel8 | hello :) | 19:00 |
| fungi | this week we have action items assigned to and topics proposed by ianw, fungi, AJaeger and eumel8 | 19:00 |
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| clarkb | hello | 19:01 |
| AJaeger | N'abend, eumel8 | 19:01 |
| ianw | o/ | 19:01 |
| pabelanger | ^5 | 19:01 |
| * fungi finds deutsche contractions intriguing | 19:01 | |
| Shrews | o/ | 19:01 |
| fungi | i'll give everyone another minute to find the meeting | 19:02 |
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| fungi | well, i guess we can go ahead and get started | 19:02 |
| fungi | #startmeeting infra | 19:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jul 25 19:03:01 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is fungi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:03 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'infra' | 19:03 |
| fungi | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/InfraTeamMeeting#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 19:03 |
| fungi | #topic Announcements | 19:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:03 | |
| fungi | #info Seeking volunteers to help write and/or present a 20-minute Infra team update at the Sydney, AU summit this November | 19:03 |
| fungi | i gave the foundation coordinator for the project updates a heads up to count infra in this time | 19:03 |
| fungi | #info Don't forget to register for the PTG if you're planning to attend | 19:03 |
| fungi | #link https://www.openstack.org/ptg/ PTG September 11-15 in Denver, CO, USA | 19:03 |
| pabelanger | I started making some notes locally, I can push them up to an etherpad | 19:03 |
| fungi | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/infra-ptg-queens Infra planning pad for Queens PTG in Denver | 19:03 |
| * jeblair sneaks in | 19:03 | |
| * mordred says hi | 19:04 | |
| fungi | thanks pabelanger! | 19:04 |
| fungi | as always, feel free to hit me up with announcements you want included in future meetings | 19:04 |
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| fungi | #topic Actions from last meeting | 19:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Actions from last meeting (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:04 | |
| fungi | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2017/infra.2017-07-18-19.03.html Minutes from last meeting | 19:04 |
| fungi | ianw abandon pholio spec | 19:04 |
| fungi | i approved that earlier today | 19:04 |
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| fungi | lemme get a link | 19:04 |
| ianw | cool | 19:04 |
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| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/486794 Abandon pholio spec | 19:05 |
| * fungi apologized for only being semi-prepared | 19:05 | |
| fungi | er, apologizes | 19:05 |
| fungi | #action fungi get switchport counts for infra-cloud | 19:05 |
| fungi | i'm still blocked on getting the details back from hpe | 19:06 |
| fungi | fungi start an ML thread on cleaning up logging for dead or mostly-dead channels | 19:06 |
| fungi | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-July/119906.html Cleaning up inactive meetbot channels | 19:06 |
| fungi | that's progressing nicely | 19:07 |
| AJaeger | fungi, will you propose a change for the changes that nobody does directly? | 19:07 |
| fungi | AJaeger: yes, probably in another week-ish | 19:07 |
| fungi | giving people a chance to find out and object | 19:07 |
| fungi | still looking for people to pop into some of those channels and give them a heads up about the discussion too, as my message to the ml indicated | 19:08 |
| fungi | we've got a couple channel removals proposed (i merged one late friday) and a couple channel additions waiting to take their place in the system-config repo | 19:08 |
| AJaeger | understood, thanks | 19:08 |
| fungi | fungi start a ML thread on continuing to operate http://apps.openstack.org/ | 19:09 |
| fungi | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-operators/2017-July/013965.html Taking down the App Catalog (apps.openstack.org) | 19:09 |
| fungi | after digging back into the governance change the tc approved, it actually stated we would stop publishing that site, so i think we have grounds to take it offline immediately but i figured i'd give to the end of the month | 19:10 |
| fungi | also that reminded me it's been marked "beta" this entire time | 19:10 |
| fungi | so hopefully nobody's surprised if it goes away without a placeholder explaining what happened to it | 19:10 |
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| fungi | but regardless, between the commit message in the governance change and my announcement to the ops ml, the cause should be reasonably discoverable | 19:11 |
| jeblair | more like "google" beta than "apple" beta | 19:11 |
| fungi | hah | 19:11 |
| fungi | more like "beta" radiation | 19:11 |
| fungi | #topic Specs approval | 19:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Specs approval (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:12 | |
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| fungi | we don't seem to have anything new up this week, though AJaeger has a general topic coming up which is currently a wip spec (but we can discuss that in a few minutes) | 19:12 |
| fungi | also, as mentioned in the action items portion of our meeting, i did merge ianw's specs change (linked there) to officially abandon the pholio spec | 19:13 |
| fungi | #topic Priority Efforts | 19:13 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Priority Efforts (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:13 | |
| fungi | did anybody have any important notes or blockers to bring up for any of our priority efforts? | 19:14 |
| fungi | didn't see any on the agenda | 19:14 |
| clarkb | the gerrit-upgrade topic has a couple changes to deal with some gerrit database things we discovered | 19:14 |
| fungi | #topic Priority Efforts - Gerrit 2.13 Upgrade (clarkb) | 19:14 |
| clarkb | the one against puppet-gerrit will likely need supervision and a review.openstack.org gerrit service restart | 19:14 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Priority Efforts - Gerrit 2.13 Upgrade (clarkb) (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:14 | |
| clarkb | just so that we don't get caught later with any potential problems wondering what changed | 19:14 |
| clarkb | (it is expected to be a noop though) | 19:14 |
| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/487156 Explicitly enable utf8 on jdbc connection url | 19:15 |
| fungi | that one? | 19:15 |
| clarkb | yup | 19:16 |
| fungi | cool. on a related note, we talked about potentially upgrading our trove instances so that we can support full-length utf-8 codepoints | 19:16 |
| fungi | as a separate maintenance likely, though i suppose we could do that before the 2.13 upgrade if we wanted | 19:16 |
| fungi | should be relatively brief | 19:17 |
| fungi | if anybody's eager to dig into that | 19:17 |
| clarkb | I've also started the ground work for running zuul on review-dev.o.o to test against gerrit 2.13. For zuulv3 I expect that I need python3 at this point? does it need to be 3.5 for feature reasons? also is bubblewrap required if just running noop jobs? | 19:17 |
| pabelanger | you can use nullwrapper driver to skip bubblewrap | 19:18 |
| clarkb | pabelanger: does it even get that far if using noop though? I guess thats the question | 19:18 |
| clarkb | is "noop" still magical like it was in 2.5? | 19:18 |
| pabelanger | clarkb: Ya, it should be | 19:18 |
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| clarkb | review-dev has python3.4 not 3.5 so if I need 3.5 I'll need to run this elsewhere. Was hoping to run it on a proper infra instance just so that others could poke at it but can also run locally easily enough | 19:19 |
| pabelanger | we still have zuulv3-dev running too, maybe you can just use that | 19:20 |
| mordred | clarkb: I don't know that we know if 3.5 is needed v 3.4 | 19:20 |
| pabelanger | Hmm, that is trusty I think | 19:20 |
| fungi | i would be surprised if it didn't work with 3.4, but yeah i also don't know if anyone's tried that | 19:20 |
| mordred | clarkb: 3.4 is not tested though ... so yeah | 19:20 |
| fungi | anything else to cover on this topic? | 19:20 |
| clarkb | nope I think next week I should have a lot more info | 19:21 |
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| fungi | thanks clarkb! | 19:21 |
| fungi | #topic Zuul v3: Consistent Job Names (AJaeger) | 19:21 |
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| mordred | oh crap - I mean to read thatmore | 19:21 |
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| Shrews | mordred: clarkb: the only thing i know zuulv3 needs py 3.5 for is zuul-web for the async code | 19:22 |
| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/386717 "Zuul v3: Consistent Job Names" spec | 19:22 |
| AJaeger | I've put up a job naming proposal for Zuulv3 jobs, see https://review.openstack.org/#/c/386717/ . It will be a guideance for teams on how to name the jobs. | 19:22 |
| AJaeger | My questions for discussion are: | 19:22 |
| AJaeger | 1) Is it worth persuing this further? Do we want something like this? | 19:22 |
| AJaeger | 2) Where should this document life? infra-specs, infra-manual, or anywhere else? | 19:22 |
| AJaeger | 3) What are next steps? | 19:22 |
| AJaeger | I don't want to discuss the items in the document, let's do that in gerrit - or after addressing the three questions above, please. | 19:22 |
| jeblair | Shrews, mordred, clarkb: (yeah, i think 3.4 is worth a try for this purpose) | 19:22 |
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| clarkb | jeblair: Shrews noted thanks | 19:23 |
| jeblair | 2: infra-manual maybe? | 19:23 |
| pabelanger | AJaeger: if we want to do it, we should land it soon. I'd like to start bringing new zuulv3 online this week for shade | 19:23 |
| fungi | yeah, so probably easiest first to tackle the question of whether recommendations on how jobs should be named is suitable as a spec, or should be a living document like an infra-manuals (sub)section | 19:23 |
| * AJaeger can do it quickly. | 19:23 | |
| AJaeger | If we agree on direction, we can merge - and iterate later... | 19:23 |
| jeblair | 1: probably -- i don't know that i care about too much in detail, but it's worth noting that job names are a common and can be defined in any of 1800 git repos, so at least *some* guidance for a project of openstack's size is necessary i think | 19:24 |
| AJaeger | separate infra-manual page would be my other idea | 19:24 |
| mordred | the doc seems pretty solid to me - there'sa question in there that jeblair might want to respond to | 19:24 |
| jeblair | i'll take a look | 19:24 |
| AJaeger | yes, pabelanger added something today during his review | 19:24 |
| mordred | jeblair, AJaeger: yah- we should maybe add a note about folks adding jobs in their own repo potentially prefixing them with something to avoid name clashes or something | 19:25 |
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| pabelanger | +1 to name clashes | 19:25 |
| persia | Where prefix == repo name? | 19:25 |
| mordred | like - creating a job called "test-mysql" in the nova repo is probably bad | 19:25 |
| jeblair | yup. | 19:25 |
| fungi | so my take on it is... if it's a one-time plan to rename jobs then that makes sense in a sepc. if it's a reference document with recommendations for reviewers or authors of jobs then that's more suitable for the infra manual | 19:25 |
| mordred | persia: yah - "nova-test-mysql" would likely be a better choice for sucha job | 19:25 |
| jeblair | yup | 19:26 |
| mordred | fungi: I think it's a eference document with recommendations for reviewers or authors of jobs | 19:26 |
| pabelanger | openstack should be reserved for -infra too | 19:26 |
| jeblair | fungi, AJaeger: then for question 3 -- maybe we should wind down the conversation in the spec, and then move it to -manual without merging the spec? | 19:26 |
| jeblair | like, let's address any outstanding questions there, then move | 19:26 |
| fungi | specs are more of a vehicle for tracking some specific work with a defined start and end condition. at some point the spec reaches implementation or abandonment | 19:27 |
| AJaeger | jeblair: that approach works for me. | 19:27 |
| fungi | so yes, i'm in favor of a change of venue to the infra-manual repo | 19:27 |
| fungi | as a living document of job naming recommendations | 19:28 |
| fungi | and/or reviewing criteria | 19:28 |
| AJaeger | agreed, fungi | 19:28 |
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| fungi | #agreed Let's put recommendations for creating and reviewing jobs (including their names) in the Infra Manual | 19:28 |
| fungi | optionally, review criteria could belong in the config repo readme | 19:29 |
| AJaeger | So, next steps: I'll update based on comments here, leave it for two days for review, adress comments and move to infra-manual ? | 19:29 |
| fungi | AJaeger: that sounds like a great plan--thanks! | 19:29 |
| * AJaeger will ping everybody after update - and we can iterate further after merge for anything we miss | 19:30 | |
| fungi | i think the manuals review process is likely better suited and has less overhead than the specs review and approval process (which is bottlenecked on me, in particular( | 19:30 |
| AJaeger | ok, I'm fine closing the topic and handing over to eumel8 | 19:31 |
| fungi | #topic Installation of translation check site with Openstack-Ansible (eumel8) | 19:31 |
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| eumel8 | yeah, thx. We're just finished with developement of the new translation check site based on openstack ansible. | 19:31 |
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| fungi | #link http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/infra-specs/tree/specs/translation_check_site.rst "Provide a translation check site for translators" spec | 19:31 |
| eumel8 | now it's time to bring up the new server with this stuff | 19:32 |
| fungi | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-infra/2017-July/005494.html "Translations-test site" ML thread | 19:32 |
| eumel8 | my question would be how to proceed | 19:32 |
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| fungi | does this get deployed on a single server and then update itself periodically? | 19:33 |
| fungi | and what do the deployment steps look like? | 19:33 |
| eumel8 | I have an old proposal based on puppet translate module: #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/276466/ | 19:34 |
| fungi | i expect we need a puppet module or at least a new class in the openstack_project module which acts as a wrapper around the deployment commands so that we can redeploy it with our server launch scripts | 19:34 |
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| eumel8 | I would write a new one for osa | 19:34 |
| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/276466 Manifest for configuration translation checksite | 19:34 |
| eumel8 | yes, thats right, fungi | 19:35 |
| fungi | okay, so looks like we already have a module: | 19:35 |
| fungi | #link https://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/puppet-translation_checksite | 19:35 |
| fungi | so i suppose you could mostly gut the manifests/init.pp for that and turn it into a wrapper for whatever the setup is for your cronjobs and getting ansible installed and whatnot? | 19:36 |
| ianw | ooohh, right, this was the prior devstack approach, i remember now | 19:37 |
| eumel8 | installation steps are here: #link https://github.com/eumel8/translation_checksite/blob/aio/install.sh#L8-L45 | 19:37 |
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| eumel8 | maybe there is no module necessary | 19:37 |
| clarkb | you can likely get away with just a simple server set up via puppet in system-config then run osa out of puppetmaster cron like we run our other ansible stuff | 19:38 |
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| clarkb | basically just use puppet for getting our base server stuff in place for sysadmin access, exim setup, package updates | 19:39 |
| pabelanger | agree, looks like basic server gets mostly everything | 19:39 |
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| pabelanger | then just running openstack-ansible gate script | 19:39 |
| eumel8 | clarkb: sounds good, you have an example? | 19:39 |
| clarkb | eumel8: I am not sure if we have any examples of that | 19:39 |
| eumel8 | ok | 19:40 |
| pabelanger | we run cloud-launcher and infracloud out of cront today | 19:40 |
| fungi | looks like the zanata_sync cronjob wants to refresh horizon twice an huor? | 19:40 |
| fungi | er, twice an hour | 19:40 |
| eumel8 | yes, fungi | 19:40 |
| fungi | which is ~ the cadence for our ansible update cycles anyway | 19:40 |
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| fungi | and i guess the creates parameter to the install_aio exec is meant to make sure it only runs once after the server is created? | 19:42 |
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| pabelanger | should we worry about OSA getting installed into our control plane? It is possible they could access something private? | 19:43 |
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| pabelanger | hieradata for example | 19:43 |
| clarkb | pabelanger: ya there is an implicit trust of the ansible that is executing on the puppetmaster | 19:44 |
| fungi | do we need to actually invoke it on puppetmaster, or just have puppetmaster run a simple playbook which installs osad aio on the remote server? | 19:44 |
| fungi | ansible calling ansible, basically | 19:44 |
| clarkb | fungi: that sould work, its basically how we restrict puppet access to only what it needs | 19:44 |
| mordred | fungi: I think that - and then we could have osad run in a cron on the remote server itself even | 19:44 |
| fungi | or have the puppetmaster calling a playbook in its normal 15-45 minute cycle which does the horizon refresh | 19:45 |
| fungi | again by having puppetmaster's ansible call the remote ansible | 19:45 |
| pabelanger | that seems fair | 19:45 |
| mordred | ++ | 19:46 |
| ianw | sorry, why would that refresh not be driven by a cron job local to that host? | 19:46 |
| fungi | do we have any volunteers familiar enough with our puppetmaster-side playbooks to help eumel8 with the changes necessary to add this? | 19:46 |
| fungi | ianw: it could be either | 19:46 |
| fungi | i don't really know which would be better in that case | 19:47 |
| pabelanger | Is this something before or after PTG? | 19:48 |
| fungi | but we at least need something creating the cronjob and installing things after the server is created and hopefully idempotently updating it from something declarative in system-config | 19:48 |
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| fungi | eumel8: what's the timeframe the i18n team is looking for there? is it something they're anticipating having available for pike string freeze or during queens cycle? | 19:48 |
| eumel8 | pabelanger: we need this before string freeze but I don't know the exact date. | 19:49 |
| AJaeger | eumel8: https://releases.openstack.org/pike/schedule.html | 19:49 |
| AJaeger | Aug 11 hard string freeze | 19:50 |
| fungi | #link https://releases.openstack.org/pike/schedule.html Pike Release Schedule | 19:50 |
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| fungi | so a little under two weeks from now | 19:50 |
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| eumel8 | I see, AJaeger, thx | 19:51 |
| pabelanger | I can help review code, but not sure I have bandwidth before PTG | 19:51 |
| fungi | #link http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/system-config/tree/playbooks infra playbooks | 19:51 |
| fungi | #link http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/system-config/tree/run_all.sh script which periodically runs infra playbooks | 19:52 |
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| fungi | those are the starting point for where people were talking about doing this, as opposed to having to do much any of it in puppet | 19:52 |
| eumel8 | ok | 19:53 |
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| pabelanger | eumel8: ping me if you get stuck | 19:53 |
| fungi | seems like we're all spread pretty thin, but if you ask questions in #openstack-infra hopefully people can help you along | 19:53 |
| pabelanger | ++ | 19:54 |
| fungi | i have a couple other quick housekeeping topics to get through in the next 6 minutes before our time's up | 19:54 |
| eumel8 | thx pabelanger, it's a hard time frame, I know. | 19:54 |
| fungi | thanks for bringing this up in the meeting, eumel8! | 19:54 |
| eumel8 | thx to all for the time | 19:54 |
| fungi | it's why we're here every week | 19:54 |
| eumel8 | :) | 19:54 |
| fungi | #topic August 15 meeting (fungi) | 19:54 |
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| fungi | i'll be quick on this one | 19:55 |
| fungi | i need a volunteer to cover chairing the august 15 meeting | 19:55 |
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| fungi | i think | 19:55 |
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| clarkb | that is a tuesday at least :) I will be around | 19:55 |
| fungi | yeah, looking at the schedule, i still do | 19:56 |
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| fungi | need to take christine to an appointment on the mainland and likely won't be back home until after the meeting | 19:56 |
| fungi | thanks clarkb! that'll be a huge help | 19:56 |
| ianw | a wednesday for some :) i am also around | 19:56 |
| fungi | you and ianw can arm wrestle for it | 19:56 |
| fungi | or have a dance-off | 19:56 |
| fungi | your call | 19:57 |
| ianw | consider me backup | 19:57 |
| jeblair | backup dancer? | 19:57 |
| jeblair | this meeting will be awesome | 19:57 |
| fungi | #topic PTL election season (fungi) | 19:57 |
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| ianw | left shark | 19:57 |
| fungi | i'm going to become a backup dancer | 19:57 |
| clarkb | ianw: I am happy that left shark is known in australia | 19:57 |
| fungi | we're coming up on the nomination period for ptls for the queens cycle | 19:58 |
| fungi | and just in case anyone was wondering, i'm not planning to run again | 19:58 |
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| fungi | it was awesome being ptl but after four cycles it's time to let someone else take a turn | 19:58 |
| AJaeger | thanks fungi for your leadership as PTL! | 19:59 |
| pabelanger | ++ Thanks indeed | 19:59 |
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| fungi | we've got excellent people on the team who are more than capable of taking the reins, and i'll be here to help out with any of it you need | 19:59 |
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| jeblair | fungi: yes thanks! | 20:00 |
| fungi | so any of you considering running, be thinking about your platform statements. candidacies open for nomination in ~6 days | 20:00 |
| clarkb | fungi: does that include dancing? | 20:00 |
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| fungi | i hope it includes dancing | 20:00 |
| fungi | anyway, we're over time. thanks everyone! | 20:00 |
| fungi | i'll also be announcing my non-cacdidacy on the ml(s) shortly | 20:00 |
| fungi | er, non-candidacy (i can't type today) | 20:01 |
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| fungi | #endmeeting | 20:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jul 25 20:01:10 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2017/infra.2017-07-25-19.03.html | 20:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2017/infra.2017-07-25-19.03.txt | 20:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2017/infra.2017-07-25-19.03.log.html | 20:01 |
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| oneswig | #startmeeting scientific-wg | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jul 25 21:00:31 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is oneswig. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: scientific-wg)" | 21:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'scientific_wg' | 21:00 |
| oneswig | oh hi | 21:00 |
| oneswig | #link agenda for today is https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Scientific_working_group#IRC_Meeting_July_25th_2017 | 21:00 |
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| oneswig | Not a massive amount planned for discussion this week (phew) | 21:01 |
| mrhillsman | o/ | 21:01 |
| oneswig | Hi mrhillsman, good to see you | 21:01 |
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| trandles | hello | 21:01 |
| oneswig | Hey Tim | 21:01 |
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| oneswig | martial: you online? | 21:02 |
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| martial | Hi Stig, yes just joined | 21:02 |
| oneswig | The very chap :-) | 21:02 |
| armstrong | Hello | 21:02 |
| oneswig | #chair martial | 21:02 |
| openstack | Current chairs: martial oneswig | 21:02 |
| oneswig | Hi armstrong | 21:02 |
| oneswig | OK lets get this show on the road | 21:03 |
| oneswig | #topic SuperUser article review | 21:03 |
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| oneswig | OK, we had the interview, probably a couple of months back now | 21:03 |
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| oneswig | The copy is up for review | 21:04 |
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| oneswig | Were I a prepared man, I'd have it to hand.. | 21:04 |
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| b1airo | Hi | 21:05 |
| oneswig | Hi b1airo | 21:05 |
| oneswig | #chair b1airo | 21:05 |
| openstack | Current chairs: b1airo martial oneswig | 21:05 |
| trandles | https://docs.google.com/document/d/1k-lkP4mKNw9JxyDnCCxUmhjJm433zch5A4udmnJzRCw/edit | 21:05 |
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| martial | thanks Tim, I was looking it up :) | 21:06 |
| trandles | np | 21:06 |
| oneswig | Good work Tim, beat me to it | 21:06 |
| armstrong | Can we add suggestion/contributions on the google-doc? | 21:06 |
| martial | Yes, in the form of "suggestions" if you can | 21:06 |
| armstrong | ok | 21:07 |
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| martial | “suggest edits” | 21:07 |
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| martial | (I have to say, I like the current version a lot) | 21:11 |
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| b1airo | We have a good looking University & Research track line-up for Sydney | 21:12 |
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| martial | blair: that sounds great | 21:13 |
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| oneswig | b1airo: good to hear it. How many slots to fill? | 21:14 |
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| trandles | don't think we know the slot # yet | 21:15 |
| jmlowe | sorry I'm late, what did I sign up for in absentia? | 21:15 |
| b1airo | No, I think that decision come later | 21:15 |
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| oneswig | jmlowe: just looking over this: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1k-lkP4mKNw9JxyDnCCxUmhjJm433zch5A4udmnJzRCw/edit | 21:16 |
| martial | jim: you are judging the HPC hackaton live at the Sydney summit (it is a 72 hour events, caffeine to be provided) ... thanks for "volunteering" | 21:16 |
| b1airo | Lol | 21:17 |
| jmlowe | NAVY - never again volunteer yourself | 21:17 |
| martial | jim: kidding of course :) | 21:18 |
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| oneswig | martial: were you also kidding when I got signed up? :-) | 21:19 |
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| martial | stig: depends, are you asking about the ORC meeting in Amsterdam? | 21:21 |
| martial | stig: the other one is totally different, it is not an *HPC* hackaton :) | 21:21 |
| oneswig | Ah, so true | 21:21 |
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| martial | stig: coffee to be provided (hopefully) as well | 21:21 |
| jmlowe | I'd love to go to Amsterdam, I'm not going to that meeting, as I told a colleague I wouldn't go that meeting if it was downstairs | 21:22 |
| oneswig | I might need something stronger! | 21:22 |
| oneswig | martial: Not Amsterdam, was the hackathon Flanders mailed about | 21:22 |
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| martial | stig: yes, I know, and yes, you are the judge :) | 21:23 |
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| martial | everybody happy with the state of the "interview" document? | 21:23 |
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| b1airo | I can't keep up with this conversation! | 21:24 |
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| jmlowe | I'm relatively happy with the interview | 21:24 |
| trandles | +1 | 21:24 |
| b1airo | I had first review of it a week ago, so assume you've undone all my edits now :-) | 21:24 |
| jpr1 | q: should the intro sentence have one line about what openstack (possibly as part of the first sentence) | 21:24 |
| b1airo | jpr1: it will be posted on the OpenStack site so maybe redundant? | 21:25 |
| martial | jpr1: it is for publication in the SuperUser magazine, so I am not sure | 21:25 |
| trandles | jpr1: it's for Superuser so the audience _should_ be familiar | 21:25 |
| jpr1 | and possibly put "why openstack for research" ahead of "why care about ... working group" | 21:25 |
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| jpr1 | ok. that audience likely has a clue. ;) | 21:25 |
| jpr1 | pardon being out of context at the moment | 21:26 |
| b1airo | jpr1: yes I agree, I think it could talk about both why and who | 21:26 |
| martial | jpr1: no worries, but thank you for the suggestion, it is very relevant | 21:26 |
| oneswig | OK - publish and be damned? Last changes please. | 21:27 |
| jpr1 | just reading this from point of view of someone who might see just this doc, ie. a url in an email | 21:27 |
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| jpr1 | no worries on any of the above late sideline commentary btw | 21:27 |
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| jpr1 | looks really good btw | 21:28 |
| martial | stig: Gene is going to love the extra suggestions :) | 21:28 |
| martial | stig: with Flanders being ready to push to the editor in chief | 21:28 |
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| martial | stig: we ought to warn them both | 21:28 |
| oneswig | martial: OK, I'll mail them now | 21:29 |
| martial | stig: just did so | 21:30 |
| oneswig | ah, so you did :-) | 21:30 |
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| oneswig | OK - move on? | 21:30 |
| martial | +1 | 21:31 |
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| oneswig | #topic SC2017 BoF | 21:31 |
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| oneswig | OK, previously we put together a draft BoF proposal | 21:31 |
| oneswig | Based on SC2016 | 21:32 |
| jmlowe | an all new one for SC2017? | 21:33 |
| oneswig | I thought so but can only find the SC2016 one - b1airo? | 21:33 |
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| oneswig | was it an etherpad? | 21:33 |
| trandles | I don't recall one for SC17 | 21:33 |
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| b1airo | Hmm yes I think we may have minted an etherpad for brain storming | 21:34 |
| oneswig | #link I found this https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/SWG-SC17 | 21:34 |
| b1airo | But we should just work from the sc16 one | 21:34 |
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| b1airo | I'm on my phone so bit handicapped sorry | 21:35 |
| oneswig | #link updated for SC17 https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wMk1qoytJuIY7REzVc_eRpkw4w1qC_-hQf1xnvwb_b8/edit?usp=sharing | 21:36 |
| jmlowe | I put in my request to the IU boot committee for a set of talks | 21:36 |
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| trandles | Fun fact: My Sydney travel was approved quickly but SC17 in Denver is up in the air. Who'd have thunk it...I might not make SC... | 21:38 |
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| b1airo | trandles: odd, are people going off it in favour of ISC? | 21:39 |
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| jmlowe | nobody from the US goes to ISC | 21:40 |
| trandles | No, it's that there are usually a huge number of requests by the DoE labs so HQ doles out a set number/lab | 21:40 |
| jmlowe | I'm checking with Evan Bollig as a sub for Jonathan Mills on the BoF | 21:40 |
| b1airo | Maybe we could make the BoF title: Models for HPC with OpenStack ? | 21:40 |
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| trandles | once LANL has their number, my division will decide who gets to go | 21:40 |
| b1airo | And aim to get a balanced discussion across different architectures | 21:41 |
| jmlowe | b1airo: +1 | 21:41 |
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| trandles | does "Models" imply "use cases?" | 21:41 |
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| jmlowe | I wouldn't say that, you can do the same use case across different models | 21:43 |
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| b1airo | Would be nice to also manage to have some focus on apps/users | 21:46 |
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| trandles | IMO users are more effective advocates than admins for emerging tech and HPC | 21:48 |
| b1airo | It's somewhat difficult in OpenStack land as it's so ops & architecture heavy | 21:49 |
| bollig | sorry jmlowe: I’m in. either I or another from MSI will present | 21:50 |
| trandles | admins have a reputation for building neat toys that don't deliver a clear win for users | 21:50 |
| jmlowe | ok, I'll pencil you in for the draft | 21:50 |
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| martial | I would love to say I can also make it, but I am in still unsure if I will be able to be present at either event | 21:51 |
| trandles | If we can get one or two users with clear stories about how cloud delivered real science it would drive home the point | 21:51 |
| b1airo | jmlowe: I could do an update on our talk too, but I'm happy to be relegated if there is more variety available | 21:51 |
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| jmlowe | Maybe I can recycle materials from our first annual nsf review, it was half a day of users detailing how they used jetstream | 21:52 |
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| bollig | we’ve got users focused on protected NIH data (dbGaP) and genomics workflows | 21:52 |
| b1airo | Protected = only shared with Putin? :-P | 21:53 |
| jmlowe | that's some really interesting stuff, anything with sensitive data is always going to get attention | 21:53 |
| b1airo | (sorry, couldn't help it) | 21:53 |
| jmlowe | too soon | 21:53 |
| bollig | ha! | 21:53 |
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| b1airo | But yes, we have these use-cases too - Monash is working to launch a Health Data Platform | 21:54 |
| trandles | bollig: we had a similar use case with NIH and cancer genomics data | 21:54 |
| martial | stig, blair, any issue if I add my name on the sponsor list in case I can get it approved? | 21:54 |
| b1airo | Which will include cloud based safe havens for analysis workloads | 21:55 |
| oneswig | of course - go ahead | 21:55 |
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| oneswig | b1airo: might be interesting to discuss offline | 21:55 |
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| trandles | public cloud-based dataset access is one of the strongest desires our users have | 21:55 |
| b1airo | Sounds good oneswig | 21:56 |
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| b1airo | By the way, anyone coming to Sydney should think about visiting Melbourne the week prior | 21:56 |
| martial | stig: done, thanks | 21:56 |
| b1airo | We will happily host something at Monash | 21:56 |
| martial | b1airo: I am hoping to be able to do that | 21:57 |
| trandles | b1airo: unfortunately I can't make it the week before | 21:57 |
| oneswig | b1airo: you going to stick some prawns on the barbie? | 21:57 |
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| b1airo | Maybe a few snags oneswig | 21:58 |
| b1airo | Wow 2 minutes to the hour | 21:58 |
| b1airo | #topic AOB | 21:58 |
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| jmlowe | that went quick | 21:58 |
| b1airo | I have a code that takes 3x as long without hugepages in the guest as with | 21:59 |
| oneswig | No other business for me - been crazily busy this week | 21:59 |
| b1airo | Now trying to learn how to get useful data from perf-kvm | 22:00 |
| oneswig | b1airo: TLB thrashing? | 22:00 |
| oneswig | b1airo: will repay you in the end, no doubt | 22:00 |
| jmlowe | I've got one for you, virtual routers change the source from outside packets to be from itself | 22:00 |
| b1airo | Must be I think, but I'm surprised at the magnitude | 22:00 |
| trandles | jmlowe: that sounds like a NAT not a router... | 22:01 |
| oneswig | OK better wrap up y'all | 22:01 |
| jmlowe | can't figure out how he made it do that | 22:01 |
| b1airo | Really?? How long have we been doing NAT now - want that sort of problem solved years ago | 22:01 |
| jmlowe | continue in regular channel | 22:01 |
| oneswig | Thanks all | 22:01 |
| oneswig | #endmeeting | 22:02 |
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| armstrong | Thanks | 22:02 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jul 25 22:02:00 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:02 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_wg/2017/scientific_wg.2017-07-25-21.00.html | 22:02 |
| b1airo | Cheers | 22:02 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_wg/2017/scientific_wg.2017-07-25-21.00.txt | 22:02 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_wg/2017/scientific_wg.2017-07-25-21.00.log.html | 22:02 |
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