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| hongbin | #startmeeting zun | 03:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jun 27 03:00:02 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is hongbin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 03:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 03:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'zun' | 03:00 |
| hongbin | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Zun#Agenda_for_2017-06-27_0300_UTC Today's agenda | 03:00 |
| hongbin | #topic Roll Call | 03:00 |
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| Namrata | Namrata | 03:00 |
| kevinz | o/ | 03:00 |
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| FengShengqin | Fengshengqin | 03:01 |
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| diga | o/ | 03:01 |
| hongbin | thanks for joining the meeting Namrata kevinz FengShengqin diga | 03:01 |
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| hongbin | pause a few more seconds for potential attendee | 03:02 |
| mkrai | Madhuri | 03:02 |
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| hongbin | hi mkrai | 03:02 |
| hongbin | ok, let's get started | 03:02 |
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| hongbin | #topic Announcements | 03:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:02 | |
| hongbin | 1. Welcome Zhou Shunli to the core team | 03:02 |
| hongbin | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-June/118883.html | 03:02 |
| zsli_ | shunli | 03:03 |
| hongbin | zsli_: hey | 03:03 |
| FengShengqin | welcome | 03:03 |
| hongbin | zsli_: welcome to the core team | 03:03 |
| zsli_ | Thanks all. | 03:03 |
| kevinz | welcome!! | 03:03 |
| Namrata | welcome | 03:03 |
| mkrai | Zsli_ congratulations | 03:03 |
| diga | zsli_: congrats! | 03:03 |
| zsli_ | thanks all | 03:04 |
| hongbin | zsli_ did a lot of coding for the scheduler, it is good to have shunli in the core team | 03:04 |
| hongbin | again, welcome | 03:04 |
| hongbin | 2. New BPs | 03:04 |
| hongbin | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/zun/+spec/auto-allocate-network Automatically allocate network if none available | 03:04 |
| hongbin | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/zun/+spec/multiple-networks Support connect container with multiple network | 03:04 |
| hongbin | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/zun/+spec/zun-api-as-container Running zun-api in a container managed by Zun | 03:04 |
| hongbin | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/zun/+spec/support-pcipassthroughfilter Support PciPassthroughFilter in Zun Scheduler | 03:04 |
| hongbin | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/zun/+spec/container-pci-device-modeling Build a data model for PCI_passthrough devices | 03:04 |
| hongbin | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/zun/+spec/container-sr-iov-networking support SR-IOV networking | 03:04 |
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| mkrai | Looks like a long list | 03:05 |
| hongbin | i wanted to mention those bps because i want to make sure if you think if it is a good idea | 03:05 |
| diga | it seems lot things planned for this release | 03:05 |
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| diga | :) | 03:05 |
| hongbin | yes, there are several bps created last week | 03:05 |
| hongbin | it doesn't have to fit into this release | 03:06 |
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| diga | okay | 03:06 |
| kevinz | I see much of them are useful in NFV user cases | 03:06 |
| kevinz | valuable BPs | 03:06 |
| hongbin | i would leave it as a homework for everyone, so please feel free to comment on the bp's whiteboard if you have any comment | 03:06 |
| diga | who is working on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/zun/+spec/container-sr-iov-networking ? | 03:06 |
| hongbin | opposing point of view are welcome | 03:07 |
| hongbin | diga: i believe lakerzhou is working on it | 03:07 |
| diga | okay | 03:07 |
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| diga | would to participate in it | 03:07 |
| hongbin | diga: i think you could ping him if you interest to work with him on this bp | 03:07 |
| diga | hongbin: sure | 03:08 |
| hongbin | ok, any other comment so far? | 03:08 |
| diga | hongbin: about cinder integration, I have pushed latest patch by resolving all the comments & modification | 03:08 |
| diga | hongbin: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/429943/ did you get a chance to look at that ? | 03:08 |
| hongbin | dims: ack | 03:08 |
| hongbin | dims: sorry, wrong person | 03:09 |
| hongbin | diga: ack | 03:09 |
| diga | :) | 03:09 |
| hongbin | diga: it doesn't pass the gate though | 03:09 |
| diga | hongbin: yes, I need your help on that | 03:09 |
| hongbin | diga: make the patch pass the gate is your next step imo | 03:10 |
| hongbin | diga: ok, ping me offline for that | 03:10 |
| diga | hongbin: okay | 03:10 |
| diga | hongbin: sure | 03:10 |
| hongbin | #topic Review Action Items | 03:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review Action Items (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:10 | |
| hongbin | 1. lakerzhou create a bp for supporting SR-IOV usage (COMPLETE) | 03:10 |
| hongbin | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/zun/+spec/support-pcipassthroughfilter | 03:10 |
| hongbin | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/zun/+spec/container-pci-device-modeling | 03:10 |
| hongbin | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/zun/+spec/container-sr-iov-networking | 03:10 |
| hongbin | this concludes the action items | 03:11 |
| hongbin | next topic | 03:11 |
| hongbin | #topic Cinder integration | 03:11 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Cinder integration (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:11 | |
| hongbin | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/zun/+spec/direct-cinder-integration Direct Cinder integration | 03:11 |
| hongbin | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/zun/+spec/cinder-zun-integration Cinder integration via Fuxi | 03:11 |
| hongbin | i think diga just gave an update for the fuxi part | 03:11 |
| diga | yeah | 03:11 |
| hongbin | in addition, i am working on the cinder part, will continue to work on it this week | 03:12 |
| hongbin | any question on this topic? | 03:12 |
| diga | will go through the BP & spec | 03:12 |
| hongbin | diga: ack | 03:12 |
| hongbin | #topic Introduce container composition (kevinz) | 03:13 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Introduce container composition (kevinz) (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:13 | |
| hongbin | kevinz: ^^ | 03:13 |
| kevinz | hi hongbin | 03:13 |
| kevinz | Thix week I'm working about a WIP patch to support "zun capsule create" | 03:13 |
| kevinz | Now the Object and data models is finished, continue working on capsule create process | 03:14 |
| kevinz | I hope to give a WIP patch to gerrit this week | 03:14 |
| hongbin | kevinz: sounds like a good progress | 03:14 |
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| kevinz | hongbin: first I reuse zun-api and add a /capsules/ method | 03:15 |
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| kevinz | hongbin: Then after finish zun capsule create ,will move to zun-capsule-api | 03:16 |
| hongbin | kevinz: got that, it sounds like a good approach for incremental improvement | 03:16 |
| kevinz | hongbin: yes :-) | 03:17 |
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| hongbin | for others, a bit of the context, we are going to have a new api called zun-capsule-api, that run in parallel with zun-api | 03:18 |
| zsli_ | why do we need separate api? | 03:18 |
| hongbin | the discussion started from the last meeting, and we think this would be the less confusing option for end-user point of view | 03:18 |
| hongbin | zsli_: because the "capsule" api would be somehow duplicate with the "container" api | 03:19 |
| mkrai | hongbin I have some questions related to two api servers | 03:19 |
| zsli_ | ack | 03:19 |
| hongbin | mkrai: go ahead | 03:19 |
| mkrai | Both would be running listening on different port. Right? | 03:19 |
| hongbin | mkrai: i think yes | 03:20 |
| mkrai | If yes, user would have to know the ports where the apis are available | 03:20 |
| hongbin | mkrai: one option is to advertise it at the keystone service catalog | 03:21 |
| mkrai | Or is there other way so that user don't have to worry about which port they should send request? | 03:21 |
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| mkrai | Hongbin: ack. Also what are the other advantages having two api servers? | 03:22 |
| hongbin | the usual approach for service discovery is using keystone service catalog, inofrmation like ip address / port of each api service will be available there | 03:22 |
| mkrai | hongbin: ack | 03:23 |
| zsli_ | +1 for what other advantages | 03:23 |
| FengShengqin | how to manage resource for two apis? | 03:23 |
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| hongbin | for the question of advantages, i stated what i can think of, kevinz might want to add more | 03:24 |
| hongbin | 1. both "container" and "capsule" can create container, users might find it confusing for which one to use | 03:25 |
| diga | hongbin: mkrai : what use case we are going to achieve by introducing two apis services for zun ? | 03:25 |
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| hongbin | some want to use "container", others want to use "capsule", both are doing the same thing (create containers). then it looks confused to have two in the same api | 03:25 |
| kevinz | diga: we treat two apis just like "docker" and "swarm" | 03:26 |
| diga | okay | 03:26 |
| hongbin | 2. it could make "capsule" funtionality as an optional deployment for operators (for those who just wanted "container", they don't have to deploy the capsule part, so save their operational efforts) | 03:26 |
| hongbin | kevinz: do you have more? | 03:27 |
| diga | hongbin: okay | 03:27 |
| zsli_ | seems 2 make sense | 03:27 |
| hongbin | zsli_: ack | 03:28 |
| kevinz | I have one, two apis will low the cost of capsule and container bottleneck in API server. | 03:28 |
| mkrai | Sorry got dc | 03:29 |
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| zsli_ | kevinz: i think low the load of api does not make sense. | 03:29 |
| zsli_ | i think apis all run for many workers | 03:29 |
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| kevinz | zsli_: ack, it is just my un mature thought:-) | 03:31 |
| hongbin | ok, any other comment for this topic? | 03:31 |
| hongbin | (good questions so far) | 03:32 |
| zsli_ | still wondering if it's a good idea to have two separate apis | 03:32 |
| diga | hongbin: just 1 question - how many operators use capsule for container deployment ? | 03:32 |
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| hongbin | zsli_: another option is to have them in the same process, but treat "capsule" as an api extension | 03:33 |
| hongbin | zsli_: then have a config to disable/enable the extension (like neutron) | 03:34 |
| zsli_ | my concern is same as shengqin, there maybe resource sync problem for two apis. | 03:34 |
| hongbin | zsli_: both apis are stateless i assume? | 03:35 |
| zsli_ | the advantage #2 also make sense, so it's a hard choice. | 03:35 |
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| hongbin | zsli_: ok, we could discuss it further offline if you have a chance | 03:36 |
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| zsli_ | sure | 03:36 |
| hongbin | diga: for your question, i don't know yet | 03:36 |
| mkrai | Please include me as well in discussion | 03:37 |
| zsli_ | let me think it for sometime. | 03:37 |
| hongbin | mkrai: sure | 03:37 |
| kevinz | +1 | 03:37 |
| diga | hongbin: NP, will go through capsule docs | 03:37 |
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| hongbin | ok, next topic | 03:37 |
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| hongbin | i have the nfv topic in the agenda, but lakerzhou is not here so i propose to skip it | 03:38 |
| hongbin | the next one is the retry filter | 03:38 |
| hongbin | #topic Add Retry filter (Shunli) | 03:38 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Add Retry filter (Shunli) (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:38 | |
| hongbin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/476299/ | 03:38 |
| hongbin | zsli_: you want to start to introduce this topic? | 03:39 |
| zsli_ | sure | 03:39 |
| zsli_ | the idea is simple like nova to introduce the retry to zun. | 03:39 |
| zsli_ | when one compute host failed, then we can retry other host to boot the container. | 03:40 |
| zsli_ | there are somes obstacles to implement this BP. | 03:41 |
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| hongbin | the major concern i have is nova is going to get rid of the retry filter, i am not sure if it still make sense to implement it in zun | 03:41 |
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| zsli_ | 1, the nova plan to move the resource claim to scheduler, then retry will not be needed. | 03:42 |
| mkrai | Hongbin is nova going to replace with placement api or something else? | 03:42 |
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| zsli_ | 2, zun do not have the separate scheduler and conductor service to reschedule the request. | 03:42 |
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| hongbin | mkrai: yes the nova-scheduler will be replaced by the placement api | 03:43 |
| zsli_ | I'm also not sure if we can works well without retry filter? | 03:44 |
| mkrai | I think we can also reuse the placement api | 03:44 |
| zsli_ | would like to know you guys opinion. | 03:44 |
| mkrai | Adding scheduler service would be extra overhead imo | 03:45 |
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| zsli_ | mkrai: ack. | 03:46 |
| zsli_ | without the scheduler service, all works well so far. | 03:46 |
| hongbin | zsli_: do you think if it is a good idea to move claim to scheduler as well (like what nova planned) | 03:46 |
| zsli_ | seems no need to add scheduler service now. | 03:47 |
| zsli_ | hongbin:yes | 03:47 |
| zsli_ | I need to investigate the nova implementation first. | 03:47 |
| hongbin | zsli_: if this is the goal, then the retry filter doesn't make sense imo | 03:47 |
| mkrai | hongbin (IRC): agree | 03:48 |
| hongbin | zsli_: because we don't need to retry if we calimed on scheduler | 03:48 |
| zsli_ | hongbin: ok. | 03:48 |
| zsli_ | hongbin: i will abandon the patch. | 03:49 |
| hongbin | zsli_: ack, thanks for bringing up this topic, it is a good discussion | 03:49 |
| zsli_ | and investigate the nova implementation, to see if we can implement like nova. | 03:49 |
| hongbin | sounds good | 03:49 |
| hongbin | any other comment on this topic? | 03:50 |
| hongbin | ok, next one | 03:50 |
| hongbin | #topic Add Zun Resources to Heat | 03:51 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Add Zun Resources to Heat (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:51 | |
| hongbin | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/heat/+spec/heat-plugin-zun | 03:51 |
| hongbin | Namrata: there? | 03:51 |
| Namrata | yes hongbin | 03:51 |
| Namrata | thanks for updating the patch | 03:51 |
| hongbin | Namrata: want to give a brief update for this topic? | 03:51 |
| hongbin | Namrata: np | 03:51 |
| hongbin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/437810/ | 03:51 |
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| Namrata | we have got +2 on the patch | 03:52 |
| Namrata | waiting for approval | 03:52 |
| hongbin | yes, 2 +2 so far | 03:52 |
| Namrata | i guess will be merged this week | 03:53 |
| zsli_ | thanks namrata for the grate work. | 03:53 |
| Namrata | thanks hongbin | 03:53 |
| Namrata | thanks zsli_ | 03:53 |
| zsli_ | I think this patch is great feature for zun. | 03:53 |
| hongbin | zsli_: +1 | 03:53 |
| hongbin | ok, let's get into open discussion | 03:54 |
| hongbin | thanks Namrata for the great patch | 03:54 |
| hongbin | #topic Open Discussion | 03:54 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:54 | |
| hongbin | anyone has topic to bring up? | 03:54 |
| zsli_ | hongbin: did your kuryr work with zun now? | 03:55 |
| hongbin | zsli_: i think yes | 03:55 |
| zsli_ | my devstack broken for someday, seems kuryrlib-network bug. | 03:55 |
| mkrai | No | 03:56 |
| zsli_ | ping you offline about the problem | 03:56 |
| hongbin | mkrai: your env doesn't work either? | 03:56 |
| mkrai | It worked on weekend | 03:56 |
| hongbin | mkrai: ack | 03:57 |
| mkrai | But I was facing some issue with docker | 03:57 |
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| hongbin | mkrai: zsli_ ok, let's work those out at the zun channel | 03:57 |
| hongbin | all, thanks for joining the meeting | 03:58 |
| hongbin | have a good day | 03:58 |
| zsli_ | my problem is that seems kuryrlib-network add tag to networks failed in neturon. | 03:58 |
| hongbin | #endmeeting | 03:58 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 03:58 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jun 27 03:58:28 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 03:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zun/2017/zun.2017-06-27-03.00.html | 03:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zun/2017/zun.2017-06-27-03.00.txt | 03:58 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zun/2017/zun.2017-06-27-03.00.log.html | 03:58 |
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| samP | hi all for Masakari | 04:00 |
| samP | #startmeeting masakari | 04:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jun 27 04:00:23 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is samP. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 04:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 04:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: masakari)" | 04:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'masakari' | 04:00 |
| tpatil | Hi | 04:00 |
| samP | hi | 04:00 |
| sagara | hi | 04:00 |
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| samP | abhishekk: First of all, congratulations for become a glance core | 04:01 |
| abhishekk | samP: thank you | 04:01 |
| sagara | abhishekk: congratulations! | 04:01 |
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| abhishekk | sagara: thank you | 04:01 |
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| samP | OK, lets start | 04:02 |
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| samP | #topic Critical bugs | 04:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Critical bugs (Meeting topic: masakari)" | 04:02 | |
| samP | Any bugs to discuss? | 04:02 |
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| Dinesh_Bhor | #link: https://bugs.launchpad.net/masakari/+bug/1690995 | 04:03 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1690995 in masakari "If masakari recover "resized" instance that's state was "stopped" before resizing, it will be "active"." [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Dinesh Bhor (dinesh-bhor) | 04:03 |
| Dinesh_Bhor | According to the bug report if the instance is in stopped state before resize then after recovery it should be stopped. | 04:04 |
| samP | Its looks like a nova bug to me.. | 04:05 |
| Dinesh_Bhor | In this particular patch we have decided to stop the instance after recovery if it is in vm_state other than active and stopped : https://review.openstack.org/#/c/469029/ | 04:06 |
| tpatil | samP: After resized operation and before confirm_resize, if the compute host goes down, in that case after evacuation the vm_state should be stopped instead of active as per bug reporter | 04:07 |
| samP | Dinesh_Bhor: that is one possible solution.. | 04:07 |
| samP | tpatil: yes..it should be on "stopped" | 04:08 |
| tpatil | it should be stopped only in case the previous action on the instance is stopped before user calling resize operation | 04:09 |
| samP | user stopped it for a reason, and make it active after evacuate could cause troubles. | 04:09 |
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| samP | tpatil: correct | 04:09 |
| tpatil | samP:In that case, we will need to get instance_actions to take this decision | 04:09 |
| rkmrHonjo | samP: thank you for explaining. Your explanation is right. | 04:10 |
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| tpatil | In future, if we decide to move the workflow to Mistral, we cannot call db_apis to get instance actions. Will need to add restFul apis to get instance actions | 04:10 |
| samP | tpatil: I thought in previous discussion we agreed to use instance_actions to refer its previous status | 04:10 |
| samP | tpatil: Ah...got it | 04:11 |
| rkmrHonjo | tpatil: There is List Actions For Server API in nova. | 04:12 |
| tpatil | samP: we have confirmed there is an existing nova api to get instance actions (instance_action_list) | 04:12 |
| rkmrHonjo | #link https://developer.openstack.org/api-ref/compute/#servers-actions-servers-os-instance-actions | 04:12 |
| samP | rkmrHonjo: I am looking at same | 04:13 |
| tpatil | rkmrHonjo: Yes, the api is present | 04:13 |
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| samP | tpatil: can we use this API to get previous actions? | 04:14 |
| tpatil | We may need to add this action in mistral to get the instance_actions for an instance | 04:14 |
| tpatil | samP:Yes | 04:14 |
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| Dinesh_Bhor | This can be fixed in the same patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/469029/ I will fix it | 04:15 |
| samP | tpatil: so, we do not need to call db_apis, right? | 04:15 |
| tpatil | samP: correct | 04:15 |
| samP | Dinesh_Bhor: thank you.. | 04:15 |
| samP | tpatil: OK, thanks | 04:16 |
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| samP | However, regarding these cases, my initial concern stays same.. | 04:17 |
| samP | which is, VMs are turn on instantly before we turn them off.. | 04:18 |
| samP | IMO, we have to fix these in nova | 04:19 |
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| sagara | samP: I agree. We need some internal state change (or something locking) API in Nova. | 04:20 |
| samP | such as, in this case, evacuate does not turn the instance to active, if states before resize it stopped. | 04:20 |
| tpatil | Ideally, user will expect the vm_state to be resized instead of stopped or active. | 04:20 |
| abhishekk | samP: First we need to find out the reason why nova is not allowing evacuatiuon if instance is in reset state | 04:20 |
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| abhishekk | samP: we need to convince them, otherwise nova will never accept this fix if there is any strong reason | 04:21 |
| samP | abhishekk: agree.. | 04:21 |
| abhishekk | s/reset/resize | 04:21 |
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| samP | can some one please check why nova does not allow this? | 04:24 |
| samP | Then we could start to talk with nova, if we have strong reason. | 04:24 |
| sagara | I will do that, but if I cannot, I will ask someone to help me | 04:25 |
| samP | sagara: sure..thank you.. | 04:25 |
| samP | sagara: lets use ML with [masakari] | 04:25 |
| tpatil | samP: so what we want to confirm with nova community is after evacuation the instance should be set to active or stopped state based on the previous action before resize | 04:26 |
| rkmrHonjo | sagara: thank you. | 04:26 |
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| sagara | #action: sagara find out the reason why nova is not allowing evacuatiuon if instance is in reset state | 04:26 |
| samP | tpatil: yes | 04:26 |
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| samP | sagara: thank you. | 04:27 |
| samP | OK then, any other bugs | 04:27 |
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| samP | if not, lets move to pike work items | 04:28 |
| samP | #topic pike work items | 04:28 |
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| tpatil | samP: the nova is not allowing resize vm state to be evacuated before the instance files resding on the source compute node will not be accessible during evacuation | 04:29 |
| tpatil | s/before/because | 04:29 |
| samP | tpatil: but that does not true in shared storage case, right? | 04:30 |
| tpatil | but in case of shared_storage, it should be allowed | 04:30 |
| samP | tpatil: in non shared storage cases, it does make sense | 04:31 |
| tpatil | samP: Can nova community allow evacuation in resize vm_state based on the shared_storage/non-shared storage, is the main question | 04:31 |
| tpatil | samP: Let's discuss this point on the nova ML | 04:32 |
| samP | tpatil: might hard to convince them, but lets give it a try | 04:32 |
| samP | tpatil: sure | 04:33 |
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| tpatil | sagara: Do you want to send this mail or should I request Abhishek to send it | 04:33 |
| sagara | tpatil: Please send a mail to Nova ML. thanks. | 04:34 |
| tpatil | sagara: OK | 04:35 |
| sagara | I will look up the reason from source or commit log. | 04:35 |
| samP | Thanks.. | 04:35 |
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| samP | sagara: could you please share those in ML with [masakari], then abhishekk could use those info | 04:36 |
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| sagara | samP: Yes, of course. | 04:36 |
| samP | sagara: thanks | 04:37 |
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| samP | OK, about pike work items... need to do lot of review work.. | 04:38 |
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| abhishekk | For recovery method customization, to add mistral driver in masakari we have analyzed some issues | 04:39 |
| abhishekk | 1. need to add some actions in mistral, like filter vms on the basis of metadata, custom evacuation in which we need to find out aggregate host and add reserved_host to that aggregate, confirmation of evacuation, reset instances state to stop if instance is in state other than active or stop etc. | 04:39 |
| tpatil | #link Pike work items https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/masakari-pike-workitems | 04:39 |
| abhishekk | 2. Mistral workflow executes in asynchronous way and to get the output we have to continuously hit the "mistral execution-get <execution-id>" API | 04:39 |
| abhishekk | problem: If any workflow is executing and mistral-engine service goes down suddenly during execution and workflow remains in "RUNNING" state until the mistral-engine comes up again and processes the pending workflow (there must be some periodic task which is picking up the pending executions). | 04:40 |
| abhishekk | 3. Assuming we have a mistral driver then in case of recovery_method as a "reserved_host" we are going to loop through the reserved_hosts and will pass the reserved_host one by one to workflow for execution. In this case if operator has configured "send e-mail" action after completion of workflow execution. | 04:41 |
| abhishekk | For partial workflow execution operator will get multiple emails that the workflow is failed and it has evacuated some instances out of total. | 04:41 |
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| samP | abhishekk: That is lot of Mistral work there... | 04:41 |
| abhishekk | For point 3 consider we have set reserved_host recovery action, | 04:42 |
| abhishekk | samP: yes | 04:42 |
| samP | Is it possible to ask Mistral team to help up with this.. | 04:42 |
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| tpatil | samP: Right now, mistral has only one action servers_evacuate which takes instance id for evacuation | 04:43 |
| tpatil | samP: but we will need to add a major action in mistral to evacuate instances from a failed compute host | 04:43 |
| samP | tpatil: is that the evacuate work flow? | 04:43 |
| abhishekk | samP: for reference https://github.com/gryf/mistral-evacuate | 04:44 |
| samP | abhishekk: ah.. that is not a part of Mistral | 04:45 |
| abhishekk | samP: yes | 04:45 |
| tpatil | samP: yes, but we will need to work with Mistral community to add the required actions in mistral | 04:45 |
| samP | we could define our own workflows for evacuation or start, stop etc.. | 04:46 |
| abhishekk | samP: we need to make major changes to this workflow to address our need, for example filter on the basis of metadata, add host to aggreagte, reset instance state to error etc | 04:46 |
| samP | abhishekk: yes | 04:46 |
| tpatil | Apart from making all these changes, there are few challenges | 04:47 |
| samP | the problem is, does Mistral engine support those requirements? <- this is the part we should discuss with Mistral Team | 04:48 |
| tpatil | Problem 1: As pointed above by Abhishek, if mistral_engine is down, the workflow will remain in running state forever | 04:48 |
| tpatil | Problem 2 | 04:48 |
| tpatil | For reserved_host recovery_method, there is a possibility all instance might not be evacuated on a reserved_host | 04:49 |
| tpatil | so we will need to call workflow again from masakari passing the next reserved host | 04:49 |
| tpatil | in this particular case, if operator has configured email action, these email will be sent multiple times | 04:50 |
| samP | tpatil: IMHO, problem1 is very important and can not be done without Mistral support | 04:51 |
| samP | for Problem2, Mistral work flow could return value with "not done yet, need another reserved host" and then masakari could call it again with another reserved host. | 04:53 |
| tpatil | samP: Problem 1: Yes, mistral_api should check mistral_engine is up or down and according return status to the caller | 04:54 |
| samP | tpatil: agree | 04:54 |
| tpatil | samP: problem 2: that's what is in my mind too, but then we may need to add some conditions to execute partial actions from the workflow on the mistral side for the subsequent evacuation of the remaining instances | 04:55 |
| tpatil | samP: that's anyway ,we will need in masakari specs for discussion | 04:56 |
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| tpatil | samP: that's anyway ,we will need to add in masakari specs for discussion | 04:56 |
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| samP | tpatil: agree | 04:57 |
| samP | I think we should use ML for this. | 04:57 |
| samP | + masakari spec | 04:57 |
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| samP | we could get Mistral community feed back for this in ML | 04:58 |
| tpatil | samP: First, we will upload a new PS in masakari-specs and then start this discussion on the ML if required | 04:58 |
| samP | tpatil: sure.. | 04:58 |
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| tpatil | samP: Thanks | 04:59 |
| samP | sounds good! | 04:59 |
| samP | we only have 1min left | 04:59 |
| samP | please continue the discussion on #openstack-masakari or ML with [masakari] | 04:59 |
| samP | thank you all.... | 05:00 |
| samP | #endmeeting | 05:00 |
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| abhishekk | thank you | 05:00 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jun 27 05:00:15 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 05:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/masakari/2017/masakari.2017-06-27-04.00.html | 05:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/masakari/2017/masakari.2017-06-27-04.00.txt | 05:00 |
| rkmrHonjo | thank you | 05:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/masakari/2017/masakari.2017-06-27-04.00.log.html | 05:00 |
| sagara | thank you | 05:00 |
| samP | thank you all.. | 05:00 |
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| Qiming | hi, xinhuili | 13:04 |
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| xinhuili | Hi Qiming | 13:07 |
| xinhuili | so we have meeting? | 13:07 |
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| Qiming | xinhuili, I'm not sure if there are others joining | 13:08 |
| xinhuili | oh | 13:08 |
| xinhuili | I am tring to integrate Senlin into ONAP | 13:08 |
| xinhuili | as part of VMware VIM | 13:08 |
| xinhuili | anyway | 13:08 |
| Qiming | #startmeeting senlin | 13:08 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jun 27 13:08:44 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Qiming. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:08 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: senlin)" | 13:08 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'senlin' | 13:08 |
| Qiming | we can get this conversation recorded, :) | 13:09 |
| xinhuili | ：） | 13:09 |
| Qiming | Senlin is part of VIM now? | 13:09 |
| xinhuili | not yet | 13:09 |
| Qiming | I'm happy to know any feedback | 13:09 |
| xinhuili | I am exploring the chance | 13:09 |
| Qiming | where we need to improve, where we need to change | 13:09 |
| xinhuili | to expose recovery action to the higher level | 13:09 |
| xinhuili | control flow | 13:09 |
| Qiming | that makes sense | 13:10 |
| xinhuili | I see | 13:10 |
| xinhuili | you always open to any | 13:10 |
| Qiming | seems to me the recover action of workflow is not fixed in senlin yet | 13:10 |
| xinhuili | oh | 13:10 |
| Qiming | should be request driven now | 13:10 |
| xinhuili | I will check the bug | 13:10 |
| xinhuili | In ONAP | 13:11 |
| Qiming | there are always a thousand new features to develop | 13:11 |
| xinhuili | there are projects named as policy and DCAE data collection and analysis engine | 13:11 |
| xinhuili | they handle the close loop | 13:11 |
| Qiming | DCAE will collect VNF failure events? | 13:12 |
| xinhuili | yes | 13:12 |
| Qiming | is it agent based or agentless? | 13:12 |
| xinhuili | VES | 13:12 |
| xinhuili | based | 13:12 |
| xinhuili | VES is an OPENFV project | 13:13 |
| xinhuili | agent based | 13:13 |
| Qiming | sigh ... | 13:13 |
| xinhuili | reinvent the wheel? | 13:13 |
| Qiming | I'm never a big fan of a huge collection of software | 13:13 |
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| xinhuili | I see | 13:14 |
| xinhuili | I am thinking to adopt senlin for the cluster.do functions | 13:14 |
| Qiming | okay | 13:14 |
| xinhuili | but the loop is so big | 13:14 |
| xinhuili | I do not know if we can implement it in this release | 13:15 |
| Qiming | one thing I recently read is about solution space and problem space | 13:15 |
| xinhuili | tell me more :) | 13:15 |
| Qiming | there are always people trying to solve a problem in a solution space | 13:16 |
| Qiming | few people are trying to find a solution from a problem space | 13:16 |
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| Qiming | can you feel the difference? | 13:17 |
| xinhuili | hammer nail | 13:18 |
| Qiming | the former group of people favor integrating a lot of software components to achieve a goal | 13:19 |
| Qiming | the latter group of people focus more on what is good enough to solve the problem | 13:19 |
| Qiming | yes | 13:19 |
| xinhuili | :) | 13:20 |
| Qiming | another survey I read is about why people are pursuing a phd degree | 13:21 |
| xinhuili | :) | 13:21 |
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| xinhuili | why | 13:21 |
| xinhuili | top three reasons? | 13:22 |
| Qiming | I was shocked by the result: only 5% of the candidates are really interested in academic research | 13:22 |
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| xinhuili | at least you are | 13:22 |
| xinhuili | so you are shocked | 13:22 |
| xinhuili | joking | 13:22 |
| Qiming | I'm trying to comparing that to a open-source community, :) | 13:22 |
| xinhuili | what do the people want | 13:23 |
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| xinhuili | haha | 13:23 |
| Qiming | how many people are really interested in building a good opensource software | 13:24 |
| Qiming | you can do an analysis in the ONAP community as well, :) | 13:24 |
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| xinhuili | :) | 13:25 |
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| xinhuili | I saw xuefeng | 13:25 |
| xinhuili | XueFengLiu | 13:25 |
| XueFengLiu | hi | 13:26 |
| xinhuili | hi | 13:26 |
| Qiming | hi, XueFengLiu | 13:26 |
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| Qiming | thanks for joining | 13:26 |
| Qiming | any news from your side? | 13:26 |
| XueFengLiu | yes | 13:27 |
| XueFengLiu | rdo is in process by a new colleague | 13:28 |
| Qiming | cool | 13:28 |
| xinhuili | rdo | 13:28 |
| xinhuili | ？ | 13:28 |
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| xinhuili | sorry for my long lose | 13:28 |
| rbowen | RPM Distribution of OpenStack - http://rdoproject.org/ | 13:28 |
| XueFengLiu | And two person research TIGK | 13:28 |
| XueFengLiu | for monitoring | 13:29 |
| Qiming | getting senlin released under RDO | 13:29 |
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| xinhuili | cool | 13:29 |
| XueFengLiu | yes, we need rpm for senlin | 13:30 |
| Qiming | TIGK? | 13:30 |
| XueFengLiu | a framework for monitoring | 13:30 |
| Qiming | never heard of that, an opensource solution? | 13:32 |
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| XueFengLiu | yes | 13:33 |
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| XueFengLiu | http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/openstack-ansible-ops/ | 13:33 |
| XueFengLiu | here is the install for them | 13:33 |
| XueFengLiu | and for senlin and zaqar | 13:34 |
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| Qiming | alright, G-Grafana, I-Influx, K-Kapacitor ... what is T? | 13:36 |
| Qiming | Telegraf | 13:36 |
| Qiming | got it | 13:36 |
| XueFengLiu | yes | 13:36 |
| XueFengLiu | now ,we only research and comparison | 13:37 |
| Qiming | okay | 13:37 |
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| Qiming | I was chatting with xinhui about this | 13:37 |
| XueFengLiu | and xinhui's video, I have watched | 13:37 |
| Qiming | If I can make a suggestion | 13:37 |
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| Qiming | I would start from the requirements at hand, instead of from the software available | 13:38 |
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| Qiming | I have recently shared a paste on wechat, about "not everyone should be a google" | 13:38 |
| Qiming | hope that article can be of help | 13:39 |
| XueFengLiu | so it means? | 13:40 |
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| Qiming | it is an article about the enthusiasm about map-reduce and hadoop during the past 10 years | 13:41 |
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| Qiming | more and more people found that hadoop is not suitable for their usage scenario | 13:41 |
| Qiming | it is not hadoop's fault, it is the user's fault | 13:42 |
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| ruijiej | that costs too much：） | 13:42 |
| Qiming | thousands of papers got published, anyway | 13:43 |
| Qiming | you will come up with a good solution if your focus is on the problem you want to solve | 13:44 |
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| XueFengLiu | yes | 13:44 |
| XueFengLiu | that's right:) | 13:44 |
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| Qiming | however, if you focus too much on how famous, how hot a software is today, ... | 13:44 |
| XueFengLiu | en | 13:45 |
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| Qiming | hope I'm not worrying too much, :) | 13:45 |
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| Qiming | ruijiej, any update from your side? | 13:46 |
| XueFengLiu | yes, got it | 13:46 |
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| Qiming | alright, ruijiej is snoring ... | 13:47 |
| ruijiej | ：） | 13:48 |
| XueFengLiu | Qiming, research these is not by me. it's a team:) And I am continue thing about how to use senlin in the framework. | 13:48 |
| ruijiej | sorry， I am on a trip：） | 13:48 |
| XueFengLiu | thinking | 13:49 |
| Qiming | okay, feel free to propose any improvements | 13:49 |
| XueFengLiu | ok | 13:50 |
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| Qiming | anything else you want to talk about before we release the channel? | 13:52 |
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| XueFengLiu | for network can senlin do more things? | 13:52 |
| Qiming | yes | 13:52 |
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| Qiming | e.g. building pools for network resources | 13:53 |
| Qiming | e.g. simplifying the network configuration of a cluster | 13:53 |
| XueFengLiu | then we can control this resources | 13:53 |
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| XueFengLiu | so we can have more discuss for this | 13:54 |
| Qiming | the goal is not to control them, the goal, in my opinion, is to make users life easier | 13:54 |
| Qiming | sure | 13:54 |
| XueFengLiu | ok | 13:54 |
| ruijiej | inregrade | 13:55 |
| Qiming | better, ease of use abstraction for users | 13:55 |
| XueFengLiu | yes | 13:55 |
| ruijiej | With other platform or component is also interested? | 13:55 |
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| Qiming | so they can focus on only things they need to change | 13:55 |
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| Qiming | yup, ruijiej | 13:56 |
| XueFengLiu | so we can abstraction and intergate with skydive | 13:56 |
| Qiming | if you can brige senlin to libcloud, for example, :) | 13:56 |
| XueFengLiu | abstract | 13:56 |
| ruijiej | Okay Qiming, cause we are using something to control k8s"s compute node, hope Senlin can do that directly | 13:57 |
| Qiming | I see | 13:57 |
| Qiming | shouldn't be difficult | 13:57 |
| Qiming | I'm learning myself k8s recently | 13:58 |
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| Qiming | k8s has python client as well | 13:58 |
| XueFengLiu | ok | 13:58 |
| XueFengLiu | Qiming, we need more discuss | 13:58 |
| ruijiej | Thats interesting... I am looking at it's network arch. | 13:58 |
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| Qiming | then cluster autoscaler won't be a thing you can only do on google compute cloud | 13:59 |
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| XueFengLiu | ruijiej | 13:59 |
| Qiming | you can do that on openstack, :) | 13:59 |
| ruijiej | Yes XueFengLiu | 13:59 |
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| Qiming | time's up, buddy | 13:59 |
| Qiming | switch to #senlin pls | 13:59 |
| Qiming | #endmeeting | 13:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 13:59 | |
| XueFengLiu | ok | 13:59 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jun 27 13:59:31 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/senlin/2017/senlin.2017-06-27-13.08.html | 13:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/senlin/2017/senlin.2017-06-27-13.08.txt | 13:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/senlin/2017/senlin.2017-06-27-13.08.log.html | 13:59 |
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| davidsha | Hi | 14:01 |
| igordcard | hi davidsha | 14:01 |
| igordcard | anyone else for ccf? | 14:02 |
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| igordcard | #startmeeting network_common_flow_classifier | 14:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jun 27 14:02:54 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is igordcard. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: network_common_flow_classifier)" | 14:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'network_common_flow_classifier' | 14:02 |
| igordcard | hi all | 14:03 |
| reedip_ | o/ | 14:03 |
| igordcard | hi reedip_, davidsha | 14:03 |
| igordcard | agenda: Status update | 14:03 |
| igordcard | oops | 14:03 |
| igordcard | agenda: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Neutron/CommonClassificationFramework#Discussion_Topic_27_June_2017 | 14:03 |
| igordcard | #topic Status update | 14:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Status update (Meeting topic: network_common_flow_classifier)" | 14:03 | |
| igordcard | spec has been merged | 14:04 |
| igordcard | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/333993/ | 14:04 |
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| davidsha | :D | 14:04 |
| reedip_ | +1 | 14:04 |
| igordcard | I haven't "wiped" the neutron-classifier repo yet | 14:04 |
| igordcard | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/neutron-classifier | 14:05 |
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| igordcard | regarding the code, was chatting to davidsha, we will have it before pike-3 for review | 14:12 |
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| igordcard | that's all about updates | 14:14 |
| igordcard | #topic Open discussion | 14:14 |
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| igordcard | anything else? | 14:15 |
| davidsha | I'm good. | 14:15 |
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| igordcard | I believe bcafarel can't attend this week, so no coffee today | 14:15 |
| davidsha | :O | 14:15 |
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| igordcard | yep | 14:15 |
| davidsha | reedip_ , any opens? | 14:16 |
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| reedip_ | davidsha : none from my side as of now | 14:16 |
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| igordcard | alright reedip_ , I might sneak in to your fwaas meeting and announce that the spec has been merged | 14:17 |
| igordcard | bye all | 14:17 |
| reedip_ | yeah , good :) | 14:17 |
| davidsha | cya! | 14:18 |
| igordcard | #endmeeting | 14:18 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jun 27 14:18:19 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:18 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/network_common_flow_classifier/2017/network_common_flow_classifier.2017-06-27-14.02.html | 14:18 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/network_common_flow_classifier/2017/network_common_flow_classifier.2017-06-27-14.02.txt | 14:18 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/network_common_flow_classifier/2017/network_common_flow_classifier.2017-06-27-14.02.log.html | 14:18 |
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| lbragstad | #startmeeting keystone | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jun 27 18:00:05 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is lbragstad. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
| lbragstad | ping ayoung, breton, cmurphy, dstanek, edmondsw, gagehugo, henrynash, hrybacki, knikolla, lamt, lbragstad, lwanderley, notmorgan, rderose, rodrigods, samueldmq, spilla, aselius | 18:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 18:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'keystone' | 18:00 |
| lbragstad | o/ | 18:00 |
| samueldmq | hi all | 18:00 |
| rderose | o/ | 18:00 |
| knikolla | o/ | 18:00 |
| lbragstad | s/notmorgan/morgan/ | 18:00 |
| lamt | o/ | 18:00 |
| spilla | o/ | 18:00 |
| lbragstad | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/keystone-weekly-meeting | 18:01 |
| lbragstad | agenda ^ | 18:01 |
| gagehugo | o/ | 18:01 |
| lbragstad | we have quite a bit to get through this week | 18:01 |
| lbragstad | #topic announcements | 18:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "announcements (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 18:01 | |
| lbragstad | #info no meeting next week in observation of the 4th of July | 18:01 |
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| lbragstad | we'll resume our normal meetings on the 11th | 18:02 |
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| lbragstad | #info office hours have been moved from Friday to Tuesday 19:00 - 22:00 UTC | 18:02 |
| lbragstad | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-June/118921.html | 18:02 |
| lbragstad | this announcement on the mailing list can be found ^ | 18:03 |
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| lbragstad | the meeting time will be right after this meeting, which works out nicely | 18:03 |
| lbragstad | so - after this meeting, anyone interested in office hours or bug work, we can meeting in #openstack-keystone | 18:03 |
| lbragstad | I was tinkering with the Meeting Bot this week and I think we will try to use that to log the whole session | 18:04 |
| rodrigods | o/ | 18:04 |
| lbragstad | we can leverage the meeting bot tooling to track things and so on | 18:04 |
| lbragstad | I'll also try and send weekly updates after each office hour session | 18:04 |
| lbragstad | ideally shooting for something similar to what cdent does | 18:04 |
| hrybacki | o/ | 18:05 |
| lbragstad | for the tc related things | 18:05 |
| lbragstad | #info we're two months away from release | 18:05 |
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| lbragstad | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/keystone/pike | 18:05 |
| lbragstad | those are the specs that we're targetting for pike | 18:05 |
| lbragstad | we have quite a bit of work ahead of us for pike yet | 18:06 |
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| gagehugo | o/ im down for office ours | 18:06 |
| lbragstad | gagehugo: good deal | 18:06 |
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| gagehugo | I need to make a calender event for this | 18:06 |
| hrybacki | lbragstad: how accurate is the delivery column? | 18:06 |
| hrybacki | gagehugo: I made one, I can add you if you'd like | 18:07 |
| gagehugo | sure! | 18:07 |
| hrybacki | preferred email? | 18:07 |
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| lbragstad | hrybacki: that's a good question, i don't think it's accurate for the deprecated-as-of-pike or removed-as-of-pike specs | 18:07 |
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| gagehugo | same one on the etherpad for office hours is fine | 18:08 |
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| lbragstad | i need to update those since i kinda started working on that this week | 18:08 |
| raildo | a little late o/ | 18:08 |
| hrybacki | lbragstad: ack, are any of those 'red'? | 18:08 |
| lbragstad | support for federated attributes could use a follow up/assessment | 18:08 |
| lbragstad | policy-docs is *almost* done, we merged a couple more patches for that recently | 18:09 |
| * hrybacki nods | 18:09 | |
| knikolla | For federated-attr as far as i remember, most patches were in good shape, but needs a final push. | 18:09 |
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| lbragstad | i remember there being a lot of discussion about the approach towards the end there | 18:10 |
| lbragstad | i need to follow back up on that discussion | 18:10 |
| rderose | lbragstad: I can probably take that over (federated attributes) | 18:10 |
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| lbragstad | rderose: awesome - that'd be great | 18:10 |
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| lbragstad | rderose: i thought dstanek had several comments/concerns with it, but i need to go dig those up | 18:11 |
| lbragstad | or follow up with him | 18:11 |
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| rderose | lbragstad: cool | 18:11 |
| lbragstad | just so they don't get lost | 18:11 |
| lbragstad | #action rderose to assess and pick up the remaining federated attributes work | 18:12 |
| lbragstad | #action lbragstad to go through the deprecated-as-of-pike and removed-as-of-pike specs | 18:12 |
| lbragstad | #topic documentation migration | 18:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "documentation migration (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 18:12 | |
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| lbragstad | sjain: samueldmq have been making some great progress on this front | 18:12 |
| lbragstad | we've migrated the installation guide and the admin guide | 18:12 |
| lbragstad | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/469515/ | 18:13 |
| lbragstad | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/474545/ | 18:13 |
| lbragstad | we have a little work left to do for the configuration guide | 18:13 |
| lbragstad | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/474543/ | 18:13 |
| lbragstad | for ^ we mainly want to make sure we're not maintaining a copy/pasted version of our configuration file | 18:13 |
| samueldmq | lbragstad and sjain have been doing all the awesome work, I am just reviewing :) | 18:14 |
| lbragstad | instead - dhellmann had a suggestion to use oslo.config to generate the configuration reference bits for us | 18:14 |
| lbragstad | we essentially just need to hook that up, and we're good to go | 18:14 |
| sjain | ++ | 18:15 |
| lbragstad | the remaining documentation work is mostly shuffling bits around to the proper places and removing duplicate information between the guides (which there is a lot of) | 18:15 |
| samueldmq | lbragstad: ++ | 18:15 |
| lbragstad | if anyone is interested in helping out there, let me know or feel free to start consolidating information from the Operator guide into the admin guide | 18:15 |
| dhellmann | please do also update the structure for all of the other repos, so that the new templated docs.o.o site will link to the right place | 18:15 |
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| samueldmq | thanks dhellmann, we need to make sure that too | 18:16 |
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| lbragstad | dhellmann: you mean the ones documented in the etherpad | 18:16 |
| samueldmq | according to the cp spec, correct? | 18:16 |
| lbragstad | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/doc-migration-tracking | 18:16 |
| dhellmann | lbragstad : yes (assuming I built the full list :-) | 18:16 |
| dhellmann | samueldmq : yes | 18:16 |
| samueldmq | dhellmann: nice, thanks | 18:16 |
| lbragstad | i see the keystone specific repos at line 205 and they look correct | 18:17 |
| lbragstad | also at line 467 for the independent libraries | 18:17 |
| dhellmann | \o/ | 18:17 |
| lbragstad | so - fwiw, we've been focused on the keystone specific docs but we'll need to make sure we do the same for all the repos listed in that etherpad | 18:17 |
| samueldmq | lbragstad: all the repos under the umbrella of keystone team, correct? | 18:18 |
| lbragstad | samueldmq: yes | 18:18 |
| samueldmq | keystoneauth, python-keystoneclient, and so on | 18:18 |
| lbragstad | even openstack/ldappool | 18:18 |
| lbragstad | and openstack/python-keystoneclient-kerberos | 18:18 |
| samueldmq | kk I may get one of those and do that | 18:18 |
| samueldmq | while you and sjain fight keystone itself | 18:19 |
| lbragstad | i don't think migrating will be much of a task if any, most of those projects are pretty light when it comes to documentation | 18:19 |
| samueldmq | ah, I didn't know keystoneclient-kerberos was a thing yet :( | 18:19 |
| lbragstad | it's more of less making sure we do it and it's consistent with the spec | 18:19 |
| samueldmq | gotcha | 18:19 |
| lbragstad | the majority of the documentation migration work is certainly going to be in keystone | 18:20 |
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| lbragstad | which leads nicely into our next topic | 18:20 |
| lbragstad | #topic PKI certificate cruft | 18:20 |
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| lbragstad | after we merged the admin-guide into keystone, i noticied we have *tons* of duplicate documentation between the admin-guide and the operator guide | 18:21 |
| lbragstad | #link https://docs.openstack.org/developer/keystone/ | 18:21 |
| lbragstad | one of the things that was documented heavily was the use of certificates for PKI | 18:22 |
| lbragstad | (which isn't supported by keystone anymore) | 18:22 |
| lbragstad | as a result, we have a bunch of configuration options in our config file for certificates | 18:22 |
| lbragstad | since keystone doesn't support PKI anymore | 18:22 |
| lbragstad | and the /OS-PKI/ API effectively returns an empty list | 18:23 |
| lbragstad | I'm wondering if we can remove that documentation and complexity from our configuration | 18:23 |
| lbragstad | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/476688/1 | 18:23 |
| lbragstad | I've proposed it here ^ | 18:23 |
| samueldmq | lbragstad: yes from me | 18:23 |
| samueldmq | and we just document those APIs in the api-ref, saying they return empty lists (or whatever) since it's not supported anymore | 18:23 |
| lbragstad | i think if we can assess the usage of those options in keystone and come to the conclusion that they are not needed or used, then we should remove them | 18:24 |
| hrybacki | +1 for trimming the fat | 18:24 |
| lbragstad | is anyone interested in picking apart where those options are used? | 18:25 |
| lbragstad | within keystone that is? | 18:25 |
| hrybacki | No spare cycles right now on my end =/ | 18:25 |
| lbragstad | no worries - i have to ask :) | 18:25 |
| sjain | I can help but I would need to read a bit about this before | 18:26 |
| lbragstad | sjain: that'd be great | 18:26 |
| lbragstad | sjain: that makes sense | 18:26 |
| lbragstad | sjain: we can push it to the back burner too, with respect to the rest of the documentation work | 18:27 |
| sjain | currently I'm not very familiar with this but can surely spend some time on this | 18:27 |
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| lbragstad | sjain: cool - let me know if/when you need help | 18:27 |
| lbragstad | and we can work through it | 18:27 |
| sjain | sure :) | 18:27 |
| samueldmq | that's awesome, thanks for volunteering sjain | 18:27 |
| sjain | no problem :) | 18:28 |
| lbragstad | #action lbragstad and sjain to go through the certification configuration options and assess them | 18:28 |
| lbragstad | sjain: do you have anything else docs-wise you'd like to share? | 18:28 |
| sjain | no not much, the openstack manuals you have already discussed | 18:29 |
| sjain | I was also working on improving the devdocs | 18:29 |
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| lbragstad | sjain: yeah - that's another piece that needs to get reworked | 18:29 |
| sjain | I am getting reviews on those so it would be fine | 18:30 |
| lbragstad | sjain: i'll make a note to review those soon | 18:30 |
| sjain | sure, thanks | 18:30 |
| lbragstad | ok - moving on | 18:30 |
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| lbragstad | #topic Cleaning up deprecated functionality/removals of Pike | 18:30 |
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| lbragstad | i was going through and double checking that we'd either deprecated or removed everything we needed to for Pike | 18:31 |
| lbragstad | and stumbled across a few remaining bits | 18:31 |
| hrybacki | lbragstad: dumb question -- how do you do that? | 18:31 |
| lbragstad | hrybacki: we use a library | 18:31 |
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| lbragstad | hrybacki: https://github.com/openstack/keystone/blob/9070172084fe31c9564de38886662fb198de68cb/keystone/cmd/cli.py#L26 | 18:32 |
| lbragstad | #link https://github.com/openstack/keystone/blob/9070172084fe31c9564de38886662fb198de68cb/keystone/cmd/cli.py#L26 | 18:32 |
| lbragstad | which allows us to do stuff like this | 18:32 |
| lbragstad | #link https://github.com/openstack/keystone/blob/9070172084fe31c9564de38886662fb198de68cb/keystone/cmd/cli.py#L1097-L1101 | 18:32 |
| hrybacki | ohh | 18:32 |
| lbragstad | so - wherever that library is used, a message will be logged saying that specific thing is going away in a certain timeframe | 18:32 |
| lbragstad | and possible what you should use instead | 18:33 |
| samueldmq | lbragstad: I have something to add to that list | 18:33 |
| samueldmq | #link https://github.com/openstack/keystone/blob/af4e98c770d771144463e6dd49cb4b559d48c403/keystone/auth/core.py#L38-L59 | 18:33 |
| lbragstad | samueldmq: ah - i saw that too | 18:33 |
| lbragstad | i have that on line 41 in our agenda :) | 18:33 |
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| lbragstad | hrybacki: i make a point every release to grep through the code base for the library and see what we're planning on removing | 18:35 |
| * hrybacki nods | 18:35 | |
| lbragstad | the ones listed in the agenda are the remaining bits we said we are going to remove in pike but haven't yet | 18:35 |
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| knikolla | I must have missed a few on my flight back from atlanta | 18:35 |
| lbragstad | i think once all of those are addressed, we'll be done with the removed-as-of-pike blueprint | 18:35 |
| lbragstad | the first one on the list is the usage of domain_config_upload | 18:36 |
| lbragstad | #link https://github.com/openstack/keystone/blob/9070172084fe31c9564de38886662fb198de68cb/keystone/cmd/cli.py#L1097-L1101 | 18:36 |
| lbragstad | i can propose a patch to remove that one | 18:36 |
| lbragstad | #action lbragstad to remove domain_config_upload option | 18:36 |
| lbragstad | fwiw - we'll need to include release notes for each of these i think | 18:36 |
| lbragstad | second | 18:37 |
| lbragstad | #link https://github.com/openstack/keystone/blob/9070172084fe31c9564de38886662fb198de68cb/keystone/auth/core.py#L52-L57 | 18:37 |
| knikolla | There's a removed as of pike release note | 18:37 |
| bknudson | was support for domain config files dropped? | 18:37 |
| knikolla | Add them there | 18:37 |
| lbragstad | bknudson: no, just the ability to upload a domain config using keystone-manage | 18:37 |
| lbragstad | knikolla: ++ | 18:37 |
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| lbragstad | bknudson: the functionality is still supported via the API | 18:37 |
| bknudson | seems strange to remove the upload function if somebody might want to do it | 18:38 |
| lbragstad | #link https://github.com/openstack/keystone/commit/a5c5f5bce812fad3c6c88a23203bd6c00451e7b3 | 18:38 |
| lbragstad | looks like topol did it when the domain configuration api became stable | 18:38 |
| lbragstad | i can send a note to the operator list | 18:40 |
| bknudson | might at least want to put a warning if using domain config files that says we don't provide a way to switch from files to database | 18:40 |
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| lbragstad | yeah | 18:40 |
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| lbragstad | #action lbragstad to send a note to the operator list about removing domain config upload functionality | 18:40 |
| lbragstad | worst case we bump it and keep it deprecated | 18:41 |
| bknudson | but I'd prefer getting rid of files before removing the utility | 18:41 |
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| lbragstad | bknudson: oh - like removing support for domain config files instead? | 18:41 |
| bknudson | yes | 18:41 |
| lbragstad | ah - yeah... i agree | 18:41 |
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| bknudson | I assume that was the plan was to stop supporting files at some point? | 18:42 |
| lbragstad | bknudson: i think so - by the sounds of the commit message topol wrote | 18:42 |
| lbragstad | it sounds like the idea was to at least provide some way to migrate domain configs into the database | 18:42 |
| lbragstad | so maybe we mark domain config file support as deprecated then | 18:43 |
| lbragstad | pending operator feedback | 18:43 |
| lbragstad | and then plan to remove domain config upload and domain config file support at the same time? | 18:44 |
| lbragstad | i can send something to the mailing list | 18:45 |
| lbragstad | next | 18:45 |
| lbragstad | #link https://github.com/openstack/keystone/blob/9070172084fe31c9564de38886662fb198de68cb/keystone/auth/core.py#L52-L57 | 18:45 |
| lbragstad | samueldmq: ^ | 18:45 |
| samueldmq | so, the text there is pretty self-explanatory | 18:46 |
| lbragstad | yeah - we were also going to remove it almost a year ago | 18:46 |
| samueldmq | I am working on a patch for it right now | 18:46 |
| samueldmq | will submit in a bit, so this will be one thing less to keep our eyes on | 18:47 |
| lbragstad | samueldmq: awesome | 18:47 |
| lbragstad | #action samueldmq to propose patch for removing direct imports of auth plugins | 18:47 |
| lbragstad | next | 18:47 |
| lbragstad | #link https://github.com/openstack/keystone/blob/9070172084fe31c9564de38886662fb198de68cb/keystone/conf/eventlet_server.py | 18:47 |
| lbragstad | eventlet support has been deprecated *forever* | 18:47 |
| lbragstad | well - since Kilo, but still | 18:47 |
| hrybacki | wow | 18:48 |
| samueldmq | yeah, I dont think people use it still | 18:48 |
| samueldmq | or at least shoudnt | 18:48 |
| lbragstad | but we never put a remove_in date on eventlet support | 18:48 |
| * lbragstad feels like morgan has context on this topic | 18:48 | |
| samueldmq | lbragstad: we might want to check with morgan? | 18:48 |
| bknudson | I think the problem was that some of these options may still possibly be used | 18:48 |
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| samueldmq | lbragstad: ++ | 18:48 |
| bknudson | for example, one could put %(public_bind_host)s in their config file | 18:49 |
| bknudson | or in the service catalog | 18:49 |
| lbragstad | bknudson: ah | 18:49 |
| bknudson | maybe that's deprecated and can be removed, too? | 18:50 |
| lbragstad | bknudson: that's a good question | 18:50 |
| lbragstad | i'd be nice to remove it, but the fact there isn't a removal date on the deprecation tells me its there for backwards compat of some kind | 18:50 |
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| lbragstad | i can follow up here | 18:51 |
| lbragstad | next | 18:51 |
| lbragstad | we updated the hash algorithm to be more secure | 18:52 |
| lbragstad | #link https://github.com/openstack/keystone/blob/9070172084fe31c9564de38886662fb198de68cb/keystone/conf/identity.py#L170 | 18:52 |
| lbragstad | this one is minor, i was just going to propose a formal removal of that instead of having it in a comment | 18:53 |
| * lbragstad isn't really sure why he put this one on the agenda | 18:53 | |
| lbragstad | Secure SSL proxy | 18:53 |
| lbragstad | #link https://github.com/openstack/keystone/blob/9070172084fe31c9564de38886662fb198de68cb/keystone/conf/default.py#L162-L171 | 18:53 |
| lbragstad | this one has been deprecate for about a year | 18:53 |
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| lbragstad | any objections to removing this and if so when should we do it? | 18:54 |
| lbragstad | we should have a date on that if possible to let operators know when it's going away | 18:54 |
| * hrybacki doesn't have enough historical context to answer | 18:55 | |
| lbragstad | i'll come up with a removal proposal and we'll do it in another release | 18:56 |
| lbragstad | #action lbragstad to propose removal date for secure ssl proxy configuration | 18:56 |
| lbragstad | whew | 18:56 |
| lbragstad | and i'm done | 18:56 |
| lbragstad | #topic open discussion | 18:56 |
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| knikolla | \o/ remove everything! | 18:57 |
| hrybacki | Office hours are a go! woot | 18:57 |
| lbragstad | sweet - break for a few minutes and then start office hours in #openstack-keystone | 18:57 |
| knikolla | I still have a total negative line count on my keystone contribs, haha | 18:57 |
| hrybacki | ++ | 18:57 |
| hrybacki | knikolla: you are living the dream | 18:57 |
| lbragstad | knikolla: that's a good thing | 18:57 |
| lbragstad | reminds me of the oslo.incubator days | 18:58 |
| * hrybacki fetches mas cafe | 18:58 | |
| lbragstad | agreed - going to make some coffee quick and we'll get start with office hours | 18:58 |
| lbragstad | thanks for the great meeting! | 18:58 |
| lbragstad | #endmeeting | 18:58 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 18:58 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jun 27 18:58:47 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2017/keystone.2017-06-27-18.00.html | 18:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2017/keystone.2017-06-27-18.00.txt | 18:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2017/keystone.2017-06-27-18.00.log.html | 18:58 |
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| fungi | infra team, um... meet? | 19:00 |
| fungi | this week we have action items assigned to and topics proposed by ianw and fungi | 19:00 |
| clarkb | hello | 19:00 |
| * jeblair meets | 19:00 | |
| * jeblair eats | 19:00 | |
| * jeblair meats? | 19:00 | |
| fungi | eats meats? | 19:00 |
| fungi | indeed | 19:01 |
| ianw | o/ | 19:01 |
| fungi | clarkb: are you also going to want to talk about the gerrit upgrade today? | 19:02 |
| clarkb | yes | 19:02 |
| fungi | #startmeeting infra | 19:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jun 27 19:03:46 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is fungi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:03 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'infra' | 19:03 |
| fungi | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/InfraTeamMeeting#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 19:03 |
| fungi | #topic Announcements | 19:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:04 | |
| fungi | #info Don't forget to register for the PTG if you're planning to attend! | 19:04 |
| fungi | #link https://www.openstack.org/ptg/ PTG September 11-15 in Denver, CO, USA | 19:04 |
| fungi | as always, feel free to hit me up with announcements you want included in future meetings | 19:04 |
| fungi | #topic Actions from last meeting | 19:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Actions from last meeting (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:04 | |
| fungi | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2017/infra.2017-06-20-19.03.html Minutes from last meeting | 19:04 |
| fungi | #action ianw abandon pholio spec and shut down pholio.openstack.org server | 19:04 |
| ianw | oh, forgot to abandon the spec | 19:04 |
| ianw | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/477386/ | 19:04 |
| ianw | review to remove it from system-config | 19:04 |
| fungi | cool! | 19:04 |
| fungi | and no worries. i just noticed one we agreed to move out of the priority efforts list to implemented that i forgot to clean up, so will have a patch up for that forthwith as well | 19:05 |
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| fungi | #topic Specs approval | 19:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Specs approval (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:05 | |
| fungi | #info APPROVED "PTG Bot" spec | 19:05 |
| fungi | #link http://specs.openstack.org/openstack-infra/infra-specs/specs/ptgbot.html "PTG Bot" spec | 19:06 |
| fungi | #info APPROVED "Provide a translation check site for translators" spec | 19:06 |
| fungi | #link http://specs.openstack.org/openstack-infra/infra-specs/specs/translation_check_site.html "Provide a translation check site for translators" spec | 19:06 |
| fungi | #topic Priority Efforts - Gerrit 2.13 Upgrade: status update (clarkb) | 19:06 |
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| fungi | i know we discussed last week that we'd follow up this week | 19:07 |
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| clarkb | ya | 19:07 |
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| clarkb | so it turns out that 2.13 is a really weird release | 19:07 |
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| fungi | weird even as gerrit releases go | 19:08 |
| jeblair | yowza! | 19:08 |
| clarkb | and if you upgrade to 2.13 < 2.13.8 you have to do db migrations by hand when you go to 2.13.8 (and presumably 2.14) | 19:08 |
| clarkb | so we reverted teh 2.13.7 upgrade and are working on a plan to go staright to 2.13.8 | 19:08 |
| fungi | migrations... between different db backends too | 19:09 |
| clarkb | I have changes up under the gerrit-upgrade topic to get artifacts built | 19:09 |
| clarkb | so reviews on thiose would be great | 19:09 |
| clarkb | once we have artifacts I just need to update our process doc on etherpad and we can give it another go | 19:09 |
| clarkb | maybe tomorrow even | 19:10 |
| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/is:open+topic:gerrit-upgrade | 19:10 |
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| clarkb | also the new db can't have the same name as the old db or you lose your old db | 19:11 |
| clarkb | thats a nice feature that only just got documented in tip of the 2.13 branch | 19:11 |
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| clarkb | so thats teh basic update. THings to review to make wars and plugin jars so that we can tr 2.13.8 | 19:13 |
| fungi | "new" being the "accountPatchReview" database? | 19:13 |
| clarkb | yes | 19:13 |
| fungi | that's what i thought, just clarifying for those coming up to speed ;) | 19:14 |
| fungi | okay, so you'll give it a shot on review-dev possibly as early as tomorrow? | 19:15 |
| clarkb | yes if we can get those changes merged today then plugins will be built overnight allowing us to attempt upgrade tomorrow | 19:15 |
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| clarkb | I'd like another infra-root around just to bounce ideas off of especially considering the way the last one went | 19:15 |
| clarkb | fungi: are you willing/able to do that again? | 19:15 |
| fungi | you can count me in for that | 19:15 |
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| mordred | yah - same here | 19:16 |
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| fungi | worth noting, if we switch to building off the upstream stable branch tips rather than point release tags, we will be making non-fast-forward changes to our local branches (possibly orphaning earlier changes that add our local .gitreview et cetera) when we update that branch | 19:16 |
| jeblair | consider me on standby for this | 19:17 |
| fungi | awesome | 19:17 |
| clarkb | sounds good, I can likely get going as early as 9am pdt tomorrow | 19:17 |
| jeblair | fungi: we modify so littl now, i'm not too worried about changes on the branches | 19:18 |
| fungi | jeblair: that was my feeling on it as well, just wanted to make sure that (slight) change in workflow was known | 19:18 |
| clarkb | ya its mostly just the submodule change to make builds work | 19:19 |
| fungi | anything else we should know about at this stage? | 19:19 |
| clarkb | that is all I have | 19:19 |
| clarkb | unless we want to talk about how much more fun 2.14 will be :) | 19:19 |
| fungi | i know you had to abort before viability last week, so not much was learned about anything besides the upgrade process itself | 19:19 |
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| fungi | discussing 2.14 upgrades at this stage is probably premature | 19:20 |
| fungi | unless we get far enough with 2.13 to decide that we really should be running 2.14 because of some currently unknown problem | 19:20 |
| clarkb | ya I don't think we are anywhere near that point | 19:21 |
| fungi | thanks clarkb! and thanks mordred and jeblair for volunteering to help put out fires if we cause any | 19:21 |
| fungi | #topic Infra-cloud's future and call for volunteers (fungi) | 19:22 |
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| fungi | i've been trying to take point on the private three-way discussions with hpe and osu on the possibility of relocating the infra-cloud hardware | 19:23 |
| fungi | but things have gotten more complicated | 19:23 |
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| fungi | particularly because, over the course of one or more of the previous data center moves, the server mounting rails and top of rack switches we originally had were "lost" | 19:24 |
| fungi | and it's starting to look like if we want to continue running infra-cloud, we'll need to buy some | 19:24 |
| fungi | i don't personally have the bandwidth to research, spec and price out the necessary additional gear | 19:25 |
| fungi | so i'm looking for volunteers to pick up this project | 19:25 |
| clarkb | fungi: and that is because osuosl isn't going to have switches we can plug into (I'm guessing thats a capacity problem?) and rails are always hard tocome by seems like? | 19:25 |
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| fungi | yeah, pretty much | 19:26 |
| clarkb | fungi: is hpe wanting to turn them off in the current shelf/sit on floor/daisy chained to router setup? | 19:26 |
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| jeblair | they're... what, stacked on top of each other now? | 19:26 |
| clarkb | jeblair: I'm assuming based on lack of rails | 19:26 |
| fungi | we'll need fairly high-speed interconnections between the servers so basic connectivity is going to be insufficient | 19:26 |
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| fungi | jeblair: correct, they are stacked directly on one-another | 19:27 |
| fungi | according to what we've been told | 19:27 |
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| jeblair | "neat" | 19:28 |
| fungi | i can still continue acting as go-between on the foundation budget/funding/contracts part | 19:28 |
| ianw | i can try reaching out to some people internally at RH who might have recent experience with this | 19:28 |
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| fungi | but i'm wondering whether it makes sense to try to move forward with the current hardware if we're going to need a significant capital investment in rails and switch gear | 19:29 |
| ianw | personally i know not very much about rack/rail solutions, but if we can find someone from RDO cloud .... | 19:29 |
| jeblair | fungi: do we have a hardware manifest somewhere? | 19:30 |
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| fungi | i haven't seen one that i can recall. i believe most of the hardware model info we have was worked out by rcarrillocruz, yolanda or cmurphy remotely | 19:31 |
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| jeblair | https://docs.openstack.org/infra/system-config/infra-cloud.html does not look up to date.... | 19:32 |
| jeblair | there may be some stuff in bifrost files, but i don't know if we would have (accurate?) chassis information if all of that was collected remotely | 19:32 |
| fungi | i can ask the data center manager who's been e-mailing our contact at osu if they can do an audit of the hardware that's in place | 19:32 |
| clarkb | we can gather that via ilo at least | 19:33 |
| clarkb | it may be slow but should work | 19:33 |
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| fungi | and possibly incomplete for any where the ilo fails to respond | 19:33 |
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| fungi | but better than nothing | 19:33 |
| jeblair | i reckon that's step one if we want to find rails | 19:34 |
| jeblair | personally, i'd ask the dc manager. i'd prefer that to trusting ilo. | 19:35 |
| fungi | it'll also only take me a few minutes to ask them to confirm one last time that there really are no mounting rails attached to the servers (maybe we've misinterpreted what they were saying about that) and get us a count of switchports/speeds | 19:35 |
| jeblair | (or, you know, both. trust but verify. :) | 19:35 |
| fungi | after that, i can start a thread on the infra ml about this i guess and see if we get any good suggestions/offers | 19:36 |
| fungi | #action fungi start a ml thread about the infra-cloud rails and switching situation | 19:37 |
| fungi | we can continue there, hopefully reaching a wider audience | 19:37 |
| jeblair | fungi: can you go ahead and ask the dc op too? | 19:37 |
| fungi | jeblair: yeah, i figured i was going to do that first | 19:38 |
| jeblair | cool | 19:38 |
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| fungi | #action fungi get details on current server models, presence of rails and switchport counts for infra-cloud | 19:38 |
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| fungi | #topic Should we skip our next meeting? (fungi) | 19:39 |
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| clarkb | I will not be here. | 19:39 |
| jeblair | yes | 19:39 |
| fungi | in reading yesterday's zuul meeting minutes to make sure i hadn't missed anything important while i was out, i was reminded that it will be a holiday in the usa | 19:39 |
| fungi | so if people want an infra meeting next week, we'll need a volunteer chair | 19:40 |
| fungi | because my wife will probably hound me to stay off the computer | 19:40 |
| jeblair | (i'm really proud that i actually remembered to bring that up in meeting for once) | 19:40 |
| fungi | (and just look at the example it set!) | 19:41 |
| ianw | i could ... but i think it's not worth it | 19:41 |
| fungi | thanks ianw. not hearing any objections, let's go ahead and cancel next week | 19:41 |
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| fungi | #agreed The Infra team meeting for July 4 will be skipped due to a major holiday for many attendees; next official meeting will take place on Tuesday, July 11. | 19:42 |
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| fungi | #topic Open discussion | 19:43 |
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| clarkb | I'm fairly confident dns over ipv4 was the vast majority of our dns problems | 19:43 |
| clarkb | the leftovers appear related to how various jobs deploy software | 19:44 |
| clarkb | eg docker using 8.8.8.8 in osic anyways | 19:44 |
| fungi | i spotted this on the general ml but haven't had time to look into it: | 19:45 |
| ianw | ++ my testing has stabilised greatly | 19:45 |
| fungi | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack/2017-June/045095.html git-review removing /gerrit | 19:45 |
| fungi | would be really awesome if someone has time to jump in on that since it's another case of our tools being used outside the openstack community | 19:45 |
| ianw | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/477736/ | 19:45 |
| cmurphy | new batch of beaker fixes here, mordred already +d' all of them https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:%22%255Eopenstack-infra.*%2524%22+topic:fix-beaker | 19:45 |
| ianw | there's been some stretch talk ... patches for nodes etc. does anyone mind if i do 477736 and i imagine we need a manual run to get the first sync down | 19:46 |
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| fungi | ianw: seems fine to me | 19:46 |
| clarkb | ianw: ++ also check volume quota/size/space first | 19:46 |
| ianw | will do | 19:47 |
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| cmurphy | s/+d/+2'd | 19:47 |
| fungi | thanks for adding all those cmurphy | 19:48 |
| fungi | i also approved the change to make the beaker jobs voting a few hours ago | 19:48 |
| clarkb | ianw: I think someone said we might need to add the stretch release gpg key too | 19:48 |
| cmurphy | fungi: awesome | 19:48 |
| fungi | clarkb: yes, the key should be added but it's not actually in use yet afaik | 19:49 |
| fungi | the "stretch release key" is so named because it may start being used following the stretch release | 19:49 |
| clarkb | ah | 19:49 |
| fungi | (sort of backward from how we name our signing keys) | 19:49 |
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| fungi | jhesketh: not sure if you're awake yet, but are you still free to process the requested stable/mitaka eol? that would take one more thing off my plate | 19:52 |
| fungi | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-June/118473.html Tagging mitaka as EOL | 19:53 |
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| fungi | i'll follow up to your reply on the ml | 19:54 |
| fungi | clarkb: do you (or anybody else) know the status on gerrit review tags? ttx was asking in this thread: | 19:54 |
| fungi | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-June/118960.html Turning TC/UC workgroups into OpenStack SIGs | 19:55 |
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| fungi | i vaguely recall earlier discussions suggesting that was waiting for their notedb implementation | 19:55 |
| fungi | so not sure if 2.13 gets us far enough for that | 19:55 |
| clarkb | fungi: I tried to find mention of them in changelog and docs and found nothing | 19:56 |
| clarkb | I wonder if they just stalled out | 19:56 |
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| fungi | what was the word they actually used for those (as "tags" would be ambiguous with git tags) | 19:56 |
| fungi | ? | 19:57 |
| jeblair | hashtag was used at one point | 19:57 |
| clarkb | I dont recall | 19:57 |
| fungi | thanks! | 19:58 |
| fungi | #link https://bugs.chromium.org/p/gerrit/issues/detail?id=287 arbitrary labels/tags on changes | 19:58 |
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| fungi | i'll follow up to the ml after reading whatever i can find, if nobody beats me to it | 19:59 |
| jeblair | erm | 20:00 |
| jeblair | https://review.openstack.org/Documentation/config-hooks.html#_hashtags_changed | 20:00 |
| jeblair | my google bubble pointed me at that | 20:00 |
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| fungi | strange indeed! | 20:00 |
| clarkb | looks like you have to enable notedb | 20:00 |
| fungi | and we're out of time | 20:00 |
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| fungi | thanks everyone! | 20:00 |
| clarkb | which last I read is not stable | 20:00 |
| fungi | #endmeeting | 20:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jun 27 20:00:45 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2017/infra.2017-06-27-19.03.html | 20:00 |
| clarkb | may be possible in 2.14? | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2017/infra.2017-06-27-19.03.txt | 20:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2017/infra.2017-06-27-19.03.log.html | 20:00 |
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| fungi | reminder: no tc meeting this week, though we have office hours in #openstack-tc coming up in a few hours at 01:00 | 20:01 |
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| martial | #startmeeting scientific-wg | 21:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jun 27 21:03:06 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is martial. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: scientific-wg)" | 21:03 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'scientific_wg' | 21:03 |
| martial | Blair, are you around? | 21:03 |
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| martial | #chair b1airo | 21:04 |
| openstack | Current chairs: b1airo martial | 21:04 |
| martial | Hi Blair | 21:04 |
| martial | just in time, I just started the meeting | 21:04 |
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| martial | welcome everybody to the weekly Scientific Working group meeting | 21:05 |
| b1airo | morning | 21:05 |
| martial | this week will mostly be a repeat of last week with the small addition that some of my team members will do a quick introduction of their work | 21:05 |
| priteau | Hello | 21:06 |
| lizhong | Hi, I am Lizhong from NIST, working with martial | 21:06 |
| martial | hello Pierre | 21:06 |
| Maxime_ | Hi, I'm Maxime from NIST too, also working with Martial | 21:06 |
| Pooneet_Thaper | Hello, I am Pooneet from NIST and I am also working with Martial | 21:06 |
| trandles | o/ Hi folks | 21:06 |
| b1airo | sorry i am juggling kid breakfast for a moment :-/ | 21:07 |
| martial | #topic Optimal meeting time | 21:07 |
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| martial | blair: no worries | 21:07 |
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| martial | so the discussion last week was to be 1100UTC | 21:07 |
| martial | (seems to be 7pm EST) | 21:08 |
| martial | b1airo: is that for the Tuesday meeting? | 21:08 |
| trandles | I think your timezone conversion is a bit off there martial | 21:08 |
| b1airo | 7am here now :-) | 21:09 |
| priteau | martial: I think that's AM, for the Wednesday | 21:09 |
| b1airo | yep, 1100UTC will make it 9pm here | 21:09 |
| martial | oops sorry, let me try again 1100UTC for the Wednesday meeting (so 7 AM EST ) | 21:10 |
| martial | (thanks Pierre) | 21:10 |
| martial | I see the action items have b1airo instigate the changes | 21:11 |
| priteau | Instead of 0900 UTC currently | 21:11 |
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| martial | so the schedule would be tuesday 2100 utc and wednesday 1100 utc | 21:12 |
| priteau | yep | 21:12 |
| martial | okay, good thanks for clarifying | 21:12 |
| martial | next topic, then | 21:13 |
| martial | #topic Scientific app catalogues on OpenStack | 21:13 |
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| priteau | we still needed to check for meeting slot availability though | 21:13 |
| martial | Pierre: b1airo can update us on this item when he is available | 21:14 |
| priteau | yes, let's move on | 21:15 |
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| martial | related to the new topic, stig noted that "there appear to be several groups around the world who want to get started on making app catalogues for their users" | 21:15 |
| martial | priteau added "Orchestration templates (Heat or CloudFormation or something else) should be handled as well as disk images | 21:15 |
| martial | as well as "orchestrated templates" | 21:16 |
| martial | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_wg/2017/scientific_wg.2017-06-21-09.00.log.html | 21:16 |
| martial | (the full log from last time) | 21:16 |
| martial | anything to add to this? | 21:17 |
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| martial | I did not seem to see a consensus on the subject from the logs | 21:18 |
| b1airo | ok, better half has taken over! | 21:19 |
| martial | some talk about Murano, Heat templates and such | 21:20 |
| martial | b1airo: welcome back | 21:20 |
| martial | b1airo: question for you, have you confirmed the 1100 UTC slot availability? | 21:20 |
| b1airo | hmm rather than having everyone read the logs in the meeting let's see what people are doing about app distribution and sharing on their clouds today? | 21:20 |
| b1airo | no haven't looked at that yet, but it was the consensus from the ML and last week's meeting | 21:21 |
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| b1airo | martial, trandles - you guys weren't in last week's meeting, how do you approach "App/VM catalogs" ? | 21:22 |
| trandles | We don't have any app catalog functionality. Our "cloudy" solution, charliecloud, uses docker tools to build container images, so we use docker hub | 21:24 |
| martial | As for us, I would invite my team to introduce the tool we were discussing at the beginning | 21:24 |
| trandles | However I would like to implement some kind of catalog functionality for center-provided images already containing applications. We just haven't started down that path yet. | 21:25 |
| bastafidli_ | We are using Juju and enabling it both on Ubuntu and CentOS | 21:25 |
| lizhong | Hi, I'd like to introduce Conducere we've been developing | 21:26 |
| lizhong | Here is a short introduction | 21:26 |
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| lizhong | Conducere, latin for conductor, is a simplified orchestration layer on top of OpenStack to instantiate a ready-to-use cluster for data science projects. It is designed to alleviate the complexity of deploying a reproducible infrastructure. It spawns a cluster and ensures creation time specialization of its nodes. | 21:26 |
| b1airo | trandles, the "Contributed Images" we have on Nectar might be along the lines you are thinking - really just a bit of policy and procedure around a new tab in the Images page of Horizon | 21:27 |
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| priteau | lizhong: is it simplified as in simpler than Heat? | 21:27 |
| lizhong | Features of Conducere: | 21:28 |
| lizhong | - Spawn a cluster using OpenStack Heat | 21:28 |
| lizhong | - Install tools and configure nodes and services using Ansible | 21:28 |
| b1airo | bastafidli_, where is it that you use Juju ? | 21:28 |
| lizhong | - Currently, supports Hadoop, Spark, Ganglia, NFS and NTP | 21:28 |
| lizhong | - Customize roles of nodes: master, worker, client and storage | 21:28 |
| lizhong | priteau: Actually, it uses Heat to spawn a cluster, but we have pre-defined templates | 21:29 |
| b1airo | lizhong, so you essentially just use Heat to bootstrap and then hand-off to Ansible for the rest ? | 21:29 |
| bastafidli_ | b1airo, I am with Lenovo, we are utilizing Juju and Charms as there are many examples for existing applications, big data clusters, etc. | 21:30 |
| priteau | lizhong: Are your templates public? I would be curious to see what they look like | 21:30 |
| lizhong | That's correct. We also try to define roles for cluster nodes | 21:30 |
| b1airo | bastafidli_, yes i looked at Juju again recently (after unsteady early experience) and was impressed with how it has grown | 21:30 |
| martial | priteau: we are starting the review process to put everything on github | 21:30 |
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| lizhong | priteau, We need to do some paperwork at NIST befeor publishing it, but it'll be very soon. | 21:31 |
| martial | b1airo: yes, but we have also availability of the extra tool developed by lizhong (that Dmoni we had been speaking for a bit) to collect overall cluster/host/program metrics | 21:31 |
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| b1airo | lizhong, you mentioned "reproducible infrastructure" - what do you mean by this with Conducere ? | 21:32 |
| lizhong | blairo, the cluster is defined by config file, so with the same configration, we should be able to get the same cluster. | 21:33 |
| b1airo | right, makes sense, just wasn't sure if there was anything more to it than "infra as code" | 21:35 |
| lizhong | blairo, you are right, it's the same idea | 21:35 |
| lizhong | We try to add components for Data science projects, e.g. Hadoop, Spark, etc. | 21:36 |
| b1airo | lizhong, what sort of OpenStack features do your Heat templates assume the underlying cloud provides? | 21:36 |
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| martial | b1airo: I think a lot of that is described in the deployment manual but we are relying on the user to have at least a basic understanding of openstack (need the IDs and the routers setup before deploying the rest) | 21:39 |
| Maxime_ | This template assumes that the cluster provides router resources, and creates the networks and the nodes according to some provided parameters | 21:39 |
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| Maxime_ | blairo: Does that answer your question? | 21:40 |
| martial | one of the core needs I explained a while back is the desire to allow our partners to bring their algorithms in house and access data sets | 21:40 |
| b1airo | ok, so Tenant Networks are a requirement then? | 21:40 |
| b1airo | do the templates create new networks or can they use provider nets ? | 21:41 |
| martial | yes a project networking need to be predefined | 21:41 |
| Maxime_ | blairo: The template creates the router, and a virtual network | 21:42 |
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| b1airo | ok, thanks | 21:42 |
| b1airo | shall we move on then? | 21:43 |
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| martial | b1airo: I am hoping to get the project on github shortly (have to clear a few things internally first) | 21:43 |
| martial | we welcome comments as always :) | 21:43 |
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| martial | #topic Security of research computing instances | 21:44 |
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| b1airo | when i suggested that topic i really intended to limit the discussion to network security, but that was a bit lost in the 8 mins or so we managed to spend on it last week | 21:44 |
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| martial | b1airo: hey you got 16 minutes :) | 21:45 |
| b1airo | and this is honestly a self serving topic as i would like to introduce some firewall capabilities into our cloud, so interested in experiences with different options | 21:45 |
| b1airo | right now our research cloud environment is essentially a big DMZ, we have Internet border taps to a firewall that give us some visibility, but honestly it is not that great today | 21:47 |
| martial | b1airo: not much here from us at least | 21:48 |
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| b1airo | basically i'd like to provide opt-in firewalling to tenants | 21:49 |
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| b1airo | an OpenStack FWaaS doesn't seem like a real option today | 21:49 |
| trandles | opt-in firewalling to tenants...does that mean tenants can opt-in to having a firewall they manage? | 21:49 |
| b1airo | trandles, ideally they would get some management of it, but if that turns out to be too hard then i'll settle for having a firewall acting as the gateway on specific provider net/s | 21:50 |
| b1airo | with some integration scripting to tell the firewall which IPs in the subnet belong to which tenants at any time | 21:51 |
| trandles | I think "too hard" is likely. If you do something like that, I'd like to hear how it impacted your support requirements. | 21:52 |
| b1airo | i'd prefer to not force users into having tenant networks for it, as they mostly don't today | 21:52 |
| trandles | we have experience with "automating" some iptables stuff to isolate an early VM-based user-defined software stack thing we did but it was fraught with peril | 21:52 |
| b1airo | yes i agree, i think our itsec folks will be happy to assist if folks need customisation | 21:53 |
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| trandles | I put "automating" in quotes because it was largely managed by slurm prolog/epilog scripts and the users couldn't touch it | 21:53 |
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| trandles | too many failure modes left the firewall in a bad state | 21:53 |
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| priteau | b1airo: What are the limitations of FWaaS? | 21:53 |
| trandles | so we ditched it entirely | 21:53 |
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| b1airo | priteau, honestly i need to read up on FWaaS v2 as last time i looked into this it wasn't ready | 21:55 |
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| b1airo | the other part is that when i talked to a few NGFW vendors, the only OpenStack integrations i came across were either not really integrations or completely ignored FWaaS and wanted to install stuff across the hypervisors etc | 21:56 |
| priteau | no Horizon support in v2 apparently | 21:57 |
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| b1airo | yeah it still looks rather green | 21:58 |
| b1airo | oh well, guess i'll let you know how we go! | 21:58 |
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| b1airo | time to wrap up | 21:59 |
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| martial | #endmeeting | 21:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jun 27 21:59:40 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_wg/2017/scientific_wg.2017-06-27-21.03.html | 21:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_wg/2017/scientific_wg.2017-06-27-21.03.txt | 21:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_wg/2017/scientific_wg.2017-06-27-21.03.log.html | 21:59 |
| martial | Thank you everybody :) | 22:00 |
| b1airo | by the way, there is a relevant discussion happening across MLs at the moment about renaming WGs to SIGs - don't think that will have any major implications of scientific at this stage though | 22:00 |
| b1airo | cheers all | 22:00 |
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