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| hongbin | #startmeeting zun | 03:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jun 13 03:00:02 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is hongbin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 03:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 03:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'zun' | 03:00 |
| hongbin | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Zun#Agenda_for_2017-06-13_0300_UTC Today's agenda | 03:00 |
| hongbin | #topic Roll Call | 03:00 |
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| Namrata | Namrata | 03:00 |
| kevinz | kevinz | 03:00 |
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| hongbin | thanks for joining the meeting Namrata kevinz | 03:01 |
| hongbin | will pause for a few more minutes for potential attendees | 03:01 |
| Namrata | yeah sure | 03:02 |
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| mkrai | Madhuri | 03:02 |
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| mkrai | SOrry I am late | 03:02 |
| hongbin | hi mkrai | 03:02 |
| hongbin | np | 03:02 |
| lakerzhou | Sorry, I am late | 03:02 |
| hongbin | hi lakerzhou , np at all | 03:03 |
| hongbin | ok, let's get started | 03:03 |
| hongbin | #topic Announcements | 03:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:03 | |
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| hongbin | i have no announcement | 03:03 |
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| mkrai | I have one | 03:03 |
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| hongbin | mkrai: go ahead | 03:03 |
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| mkrai | Clear container runs very well with Zun. I have tested | 03:04 |
| hongbin | great!!! | 03:04 |
| kevinz_ | good news | 03:04 |
| mkrai | So I am waiting for my patch to be merged in docker-py | 03:04 |
| Namrata | mkrai great work !! | 03:04 |
| lakerzhou | mkrai, great news! I planed to try it. Can you share your notes? | 03:04 |
| mkrai | So we are good to support clear container in zun | 03:04 |
| mkrai | lakerzhou: Yes I will do that | 03:05 |
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| mkrai | Thank you everyone :) | 03:05 |
| mkrai | That's all from my side. | 03:05 |
| hongbin | this is a great new, thanks mkrai | 03:05 |
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| mkrai | My pleasure :) | 03:05 |
| hongbin | any other announcement from other? | 03:05 |
| hongbin | seems no | 03:06 |
| hongbin | #topic Cinder integration | 03:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Cinder integration (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:06 | |
| hongbin | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/zun/+spec/direct-cinder-integration Direct Cinder integration | 03:06 |
| hongbin | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/zun/+spec/cinder-zun-integration Cinder integration via Fuxi | 03:06 |
| hongbin | i have the spec up for review for the direct cinder integration | 03:06 |
| hongbin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/468658/ | 03:06 |
| hongbin | would like your comment on the idea | 03:07 |
| hongbin | for example, it is a good idea? bad idea | 03:07 |
| hongbin | in addition, i am working on a WIP patch | 03:07 |
| mkrai | Ok I will review the spec today. Sorry was not able to see due to some other work. | 03:07 |
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| hongbin | hopefully, will get it done next week, so that you could see what will be implemented | 03:08 |
| hongbin | mkrai: np at all, take your time | 03:08 |
| kevinz_ | the same to me. I will review the spec this week:-) | 03:08 |
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| hongbin | for recap, this bp is for operators who want to try zun service, but don't want the overhead to install yet another serivice (fuxi), so i proposed this idea | 03:09 |
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| mkrai | Ok I think I am confused | 03:09 |
| mkrai | hongbin: there is one with direct fuxi also. Right? | 03:10 |
| hongbin | mkrai: there will be two volume driver: fuxi, cinder | 03:10 |
| hongbin | mkrai: cinder is not a service, it is a self-contained driver in zun tree | 03:10 |
| mkrai | And which one is the above spec? | 03:11 |
| hongbin | mkrai: fuxi is a docker remote plugin for volume | 03:11 |
| hongbin | mkrai: i modified the existing spec to clarify that there will be two drivers | 03:11 |
| mkrai | so that driver calls Cinder for volume? | 03:11 |
| hongbin | mkrai: so the spec is for both | 03:11 |
| hongbin | mkrai: yes | 03:11 |
| mkrai | ok and in fuxi driver we directly call Fuxi? | 03:12 |
| hongbin | mkrai: and i believe diga will work on another driver for fuxi, these will be a parallel effort | 03:12 |
| hongbin | for fuxi driver, will call docker (i.e. docker volume create --driver fuxi ...) | 03:12 |
| mkrai | ok got it. Thanks. | 03:13 |
| hongbin | np | 03:13 |
| hongbin | hope everything is clear, feel free to ask for clarification if there is anything is not clear | 03:13 |
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| hongbin | ok, i will leave everything to comment on the reviews offline | 03:14 |
| hongbin | next topic | 03:14 |
| hongbin | #topic Introduce container composition (kevinz) | 03:14 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Introduce container composition (kevinz) (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:14 | |
| hongbin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/437759/ The design spec | 03:14 |
| hongbin | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/zun-container-composition The etherpad | 03:14 |
| hongbin | kevinz: ^^ | 03:14 |
| kevinz_ | Hi hongbin | 03:15 |
| hongbin | kevinz_: hey, want to drive this topic? | 03:15 |
| kevinz_ | Last week the spec has been merged, thanks every one's comments | 03:15 |
| kevinz_ | hongbin: of course | 03:15 |
| kevinz_ | kevinz_: I have a simple plan for the next step | 03:16 |
| kevinz_ | Maybe the first milestone in WIP patch: 1. Python-zunclient abstract the useful yaml file, send it to zun-api | 03:17 |
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| kevinz_ | 2. Zun-api store the information to database | 03:17 |
| kevinz_ | 3. Zun-api call zun-compute, create containers inside one sandbox | 03:17 |
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| hongbin | sounds good to me | 03:17 |
| kevinz_ | immature plan, need for your comments:-) | 03:17 |
| kevinz_ | hongbin: aha, it's good | 03:18 |
| mkrai | kevinz_: I have one question | 03:18 |
| kevinz_ | mkrai: go ahead | 03:18 |
| mkrai | Should we leave the yaml abstraction to zunclient? | 03:18 |
| mkrai | Because eventually these clients will be deprecated from OpemStack | 03:18 |
| kevinz_ | mkrai: Now plan to leave it in zunclient. But every thing we can discuss | 03:19 |
| mkrai | I think it's better to do this server side itseld | 03:20 |
| mkrai | *itself | 03:20 |
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| mkrai | Others, what do you think about this? | 03:20 |
| kevinz_ | mkrai: so that the client need to do is just send the yaml to server? | 03:20 |
| mkrai | yes | 03:21 |
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| hongbin | for me, it is hard to tell which one is better for now | 03:22 |
| mkrai | the python clients are optional to any project. | 03:22 |
| kevinz_ | I will do some investigation of K8s, whether the yaml abstraction is in kubectl or kube-api | 03:22 |
| lakerzhou | I vote to implement the ymal processing in server. So less overall implementation work. | 03:23 |
| mkrai | It depends on the users/operator how they want to use the service. | 03:23 |
| mkrai | So that's why its always good to include all the task in server side. That's my 2 cents :) | 03:23 |
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| mkrai | kevinz_: sure | 03:24 |
| hongbin | yes, i agree that this is the approach taken by most of the openstack projects (do heavy lifting in server side) | 03:24 |
| hongbin | it seems like a valid arguement | 03:24 |
| hongbin | but i will leave it to kevinz to decide | 03:25 |
| kevinz_ | hongbin: OK, I will do some DI first before implementation | 03:25 |
| hongbin | kevinz_: thx | 03:26 |
| hongbin | any more comments on this topic? | 03:26 |
| kevinz_ | my pleasure | 03:26 |
| kevinz_ | No more now, until the persist DB | 03:26 |
| kevinz_ | persist infra container in DB | 03:26 |
| hongbin | yes, that would be the next topic | 03:26 |
| kevinz_ | good | 03:27 |
| hongbin | #topic Persist infra container in DB | 03:27 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Persist infra container in DB (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:27 | |
| hongbin | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/zun/+spec/infra-container-in-db | 03:27 |
| hongbin | the discussion is in a review, let me find it | 03:27 |
| hongbin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/467535/ | 03:27 |
| hongbin | the discussion is about the design of the data model | 03:28 |
| hongbin | there are two options listed in the whiteboard of hte BP | 03:28 |
| hongbin | option 1: treat infra container as a normal container and store it in the "container" table | 03:29 |
| hongbin | option 2: treat infra container as special and store it in a separated table (called sandbox) | 03:29 |
| hongbin | option 3: treat infra container as part of the capsule, and store it in a "capsule" related table | 03:30 |
| mkrai | hongbin: I remember in last discussion, question was what all information is saved for this infra container | 03:30 |
| hongbin | i remembered mkrai perference is option 1 if the data model of these two objects are similar | 03:30 |
| hongbin | kevinz perference is option 3 | 03:31 |
| mkrai | If we know the fields then answering this question would be simpleter | 03:31 |
| mkrai | hongbin: Yes it depends on the info which we want to store | 03:31 |
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| mkrai | Option #3 also sounds reasonable but have some implications | 03:32 |
| hongbin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/467535/5/zun/db/sqlalchemy/alembic/versions/4975f1a450ee_init_infra_container_table.py | 03:32 |
| kevinz_ | If we "really" plan to use "capsule" to replace "sanbox", I think option 3 is the minimum cost | 03:32 |
| hongbin | it looks shengqin copy all hte fields | 03:32 |
| mkrai | hongbin: yes it seems it is same as contaienr table | 03:33 |
| mkrai | I think we don't want to do that | 03:33 |
| lakerzhou | I like option 3 more because it should always go together with capsule I think. Then why not model them together. | 03:33 |
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| hongbin | lakerzhou: ack | 03:34 |
| mkrai | i think both option 1 and 3 depending on we create single container or a capsule respectively. | 03:34 |
| kevinz_ | If not plan to use "capsule" to replace "sanbox", leave capsule and sandbox separately would be better | 03:34 |
| hongbin | kevinz_: i think "capsule" will replace "sandbox" :) | 03:35 |
| kevinz_ | hongbin: Haha, thx | 03:35 |
| hongbin | kevinz_: so option 2 is basically out | 03:35 |
| mkrai | hongbin: if that's the case, I vote option #3 | 03:36 |
| hongbin | mkrai: ack | 03:36 |
| hongbin | kevinz_: one last thing from me is that k8s has designed their data model for pod | 03:36 |
| hongbin | kevinz_: which might be similar to our use cases (capsule) | 03:37 |
| hongbin | we could take a bit of time to look into the data model of k8s and evaluate it | 03:37 |
| kevinz_ | hongbin: yes. I think this is the first thing I need to do | 03:37 |
| hongbin | mkrai: lakerzhou you have further remark on this one? | 03:38 |
| mkrai | No that's all. | 03:38 |
| kevinz_ | hongbin: the rudiment for data model is in the spec. I will implement in the code | 03:39 |
| lakerzhou | no, I don't. don't re-invent the wheel for sure. | 03:39 |
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| hongbin | ack | 03:39 |
| hongbin | ok, seems it is time to move to the next topic | 03:39 |
| hongbin | i wanted to bring up the heat topic, but Namrata just said that she needed to leave | 03:40 |
| hongbin | fyi, she uploaded a revision on the heat side | 03:40 |
| hongbin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/437810/ | 03:41 |
| hongbin | it needs further improvement but it looks quite close | 03:41 |
| mkrai | Great! | 03:41 |
| hongbin | ok, then i am going to bring up the discussion of hte nfv | 03:41 |
| hongbin | #topic NFV use cases | 03:42 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "NFV use cases (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:42 | |
| hongbin | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/zun-nfv-use-cases | 03:42 |
| hongbin | lakerzhou: want to drive this one ? | 03:42 |
| hongbin | lakerzhou: wow, i saw you added a lot of content on the etherpad, need to catch it up :) | 03:42 |
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| hongbin | lakerzhou: you have anything want to discuss about the nfv use cases? | 03:44 |
| lakerzhou | Sorry, last seconds of NBA final | 03:44 |
| hongbin | :) | 03:44 |
| kevinz_ | haha | 03:44 |
| mkrai | :D | 03:44 |
| hongbin | ok, we could leave it as a homework | 03:45 |
| hongbin | then, end the meeting now | 03:45 |
| hongbin | all, thanks for joining, enjoy the nba final :) | 03:45 |
| lakerzhou | I need more time for the spec, had good discussion with Hongbin | 03:45 |
| mkrai | hongbin:one thing | 03:45 |
| hongbin | mkrai: go ahead | 03:45 |
| mkrai | Do you think we should add the api-ref gate? | 03:45 |
| hongbin | mkrai: i think we should | 03:46 |
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| mkrai | Ok thanks | 03:46 |
| mkrai | I will do that | 03:46 |
| hongbin | mkrai: thx | 03:46 |
| kevinz_ | thx mkrai:-) | 03:46 |
| kevinz_ | btw, I will go to Beijing for OPNFV summit this week. Hope to collect some user case for zun | 03:46 |
| lakerzhou | Hongbin, I will update the NFV use cases more, and submit a spec with SR-IOV use case by the end of this week | 03:46 |
| mkrai | kevinz_: cool | 03:47 |
| hongbin | kevinz_: that would be great | 03:47 |
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| hongbin | lakerzhou: sounds great | 03:47 |
| hongbin | all, thanks for joining, have a good day | 03:47 |
| hongbin | #endmeeting | 03:47 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jun 13 03:47:51 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 03:47 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zun/2017/zun.2017-06-13-03.00.html | 03:47 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zun/2017/zun.2017-06-13-03.00.txt | 03:47 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zun/2017/zun.2017-06-13-03.00.log.html | 03:47 |
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| samP | hi all for masakari | 04:00 |
| Dinesh_Bhor | Hi | 04:00 |
| samP | #startmeeting masakari | 04:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jun 13 04:00:21 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is samP. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 04:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 04:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'masakari' | 04:00 |
| abhishek_k | o/ | 04:00 |
| samP | Dinesh_Bhor: hi | 04:00 |
| sagara | Hi | 04:00 |
| samP | Hi All..o/ | 04:00 |
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| samP | lets start | 04:00 |
| Dinesh_Bhor | yes | 04:01 |
| samP | sorry for absent last week | 04:01 |
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| samP | #topic Critical Bugs | 04:01 |
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| samP | any bugs to discuss | 04:01 |
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| Dinesh_Bhor | Need opinions about this: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/468771/2/masakari/engine/drivers/taskflow/host_failure.py | 04:02 |
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| Dinesh_Bhor | comment by tushar san | 04:02 |
| samP | about the number of threads? | 04:03 |
| Dinesh_Bhor | yes | 04:03 |
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| samP | In config, its define as, number of cores can be used to run this job, right? | 04:04 |
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| Dinesh_Bhor | yes | 04:05 |
| samP | In that case, IMO, 100 is way too high. | 04:06 |
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| Dinesh_Bhor | yes, agree | 04:06 |
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| samP | I preffer, lower single digit value, (quad core -1) = 3 which will hold for testing evns too | 04:08 |
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| samP | operator may tune this value upon the spec of the their node where (masakari-engine runs) | 04:09 |
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| Dinesh_Bhor | ok, sure. I will make it 3 | 04:09 |
| samP | After all this is an configurable value and default value should work for any possible env...(just my opinion) | 04:10 |
| samP | Dinesh_Bhor: thanks, I will comment this.. | 04:10 |
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| Dinesh_Bhor | samP: thanks | 04:11 |
| samP | if no more bugs to discuss, lets jump in to Discussion points.. | 04:11 |
| samP | Dinesh_Bhor: NP | 04:11 |
| samP | #topic Discussion Points | 04:11 |
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| abhishek_k | for recovery method customization, I have replied to comments from Renant #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/458023/ | 04:13 |
| samP | About recovery method customization, we have to discuss about Renat's comment, | 04:13 |
| samP | abhishek_k: thanks.. | 04:13 |
| samP | IMO, there are some misunderstandigs here.. | 04:14 |
| abhishek_k | samP: could you please help me to understand, IMO in masakari we have certain business rules which will not allow certain api's to be performed. For example in above case we are setting reserved_host to False while notification is in process, but if you try to update the reserved_host using REST API while notification is running then it will raise HTTP Forbidden error. | 04:15 |
| samP | abhishek_k: correct.. | 04:16 |
| samP | IMO, we have to levels of tast executions, (1) process the business logics (2) simple recovery tasks | 04:17 |
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| samP | (2) can be offload to mistral, but not (1) | 04:18 |
| samP | s/we have to levels/we have 2 levels/ | 04:19 |
| abhishek_k | samP: (1) is clearly dependent on (2) | 04:19 |
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| samP | abhishek_k: correct, however, if mistral can return values, we could use mistral to execute (2), | 04:21 |
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| tpatil | samP: need to check if mistral can run the workflow synchronously | 04:21 |
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| samP | tpatil: agree | 04:21 |
| samP | tpatil: isn't that the resone why we prohibit reserved_host API to update while notification is running? | 04:24 |
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| tpatil | samP: we don't allow host to be updated while notiification is running otherwise nova scheduler will start using host for creating new servers | 04:27 |
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| samP | tpatil: got it. | 04:28 |
| samP | nyway, IMO we sould discuss this in ML, where other people can also participate to the discussion. I will send this mail to [masakari] ML | 04:29 |
| samP | #action samP Send mail to discuss about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/458023/ | 04:29 |
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| samP | Other items, Honjo-san proposed spec for "Add event notification feature to masakari" | 04:31 |
| samP | #link Add event notification feature to masakari https://review.openstack.org/#/c/473057/ | 04:31 |
| samP | please review ^^ | 04:31 |
| abhishek_k | ok | 04:32 |
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| abhishek_k | samP: I have seen your comments on documentation patch, I will fix them asap | 04:32 |
| tpatil | samP: sure | 04:32 |
| abhishek_k | samP: thank you for review | 04:32 |
| samP | abhishek_k: "Add db purge support" this is from last week discussion, right? | 04:33 |
| samP | abhishek_k: np, thanks | 04:33 |
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| samP | tpatil: thanks | 04:33 |
| abhishek_k | samP: yes, I have submitted lite-specs for this | 04:33 |
| abhishek_k | #link https://review.openstack.org/473379 | 04:33 |
| samP | abhishek_k: great, thanks, I will review this.. | 04:33 |
| abhishek_k | samP: thank you | 04:34 |
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| samP | And please review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/469070/ if you have spare time.. | 04:35 |
| samP | I think Owner: Greg is in OPNFV summit at China... | 04:35 |
| tpatil | samP: Sure | 04:36 |
| samP | So, we can't expect quick replies for Greg.. | 04:36 |
| samP | tpatil: thanks | 04:36 |
| samP | I think no other updates for other pike work items... | 04:38 |
| samP | lets move to AOB, | 04:38 |
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| samP | #topic AOB | 04:38 |
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| Dinesh_Bhor | samP: is RPM and debian packaging thing all done? need to submit patch in global-requirement to add python-masakariclient | 04:39 |
| samP | rpm packaging is done, got some request from Adem for fix the versions and tags.. | 04:39 |
| Dinesh_Bhor | samP: ok | 04:40 |
| Dinesh_Bhor | thanks for update | 04:40 |
| samP | I am referring to openstack stack release team documents for how to fulfill those | 04:40 |
| tpatil | samP so until that is not done, we should hold submitting patch in global-requirements, right? | 04:41 |
| samP | tpatil: right.. | 04:41 |
| tpatil | samP: OK | 04:41 |
| samP | please wait till I fix the versions...otherwise it will be a mess :) | 04:42 |
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| tpatil | samP: I got it | 04:42 |
| Dinesh_Bhor | me too | 04:43 |
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| samP | Dinesh_Bhor: About the pacemaker config, sorry for the delay and thanks for the replay.. I wil give you more detilas on mail about this. | 04:45 |
| Dinesh_Bhor | samP: OK | 04:45 |
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| samP | abhishek_k: About the testing envs, I saw you raised some issues, are those issues are still vaild? | 04:46 |
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| abhishek_k | samP: yes | 04:46 |
| abhishek_k | samP: Please do the needful :) | 04:46 |
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| samP | abhishek_k: OK then, I will check them and come back to you. Can we have this discussion on #openstack-masakari, from 4:00pm JST today? | 04:48 |
| abhishek_k | samP: sure, please ping me | 04:48 |
| samP | abhishek_k: great...thanks | 04:49 |
| samP | OK, then. AOBs to discuss? | 04:49 |
| abhishek_k | samP: nothing from our side | 04:50 |
| samP | abhishek_k: thanks.. | 04:50 |
| samP | If no other topis to discuss, lets finish the meeting... | 04:51 |
| samP | Thank you all..... | 04:51 |
| tpatil | Bye | 04:51 |
| abhishek_k | thank you | 04:51 |
| samP | #endmeeting | 04:51 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jun 13 04:51:49 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 04:51 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/masakari/2017/masakari.2017-06-13-04.00.html | 04:51 |
| Dinesh_Bhor | thank you | 04:51 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/masakari/2017/masakari.2017-06-13-04.00.txt | 04:51 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/masakari/2017/masakari.2017-06-13-04.00.log.html | 04:51 |
| samP | bye... thank you all | 04:52 |
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| Qiming | #startmeeting senlin | 13:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jun 13 13:00:37 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Qiming. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:00 |
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| Qiming | Hi, XueFeng | 13:07 |
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| Qiming | seems guys prefer talking in project channel ... | 13:12 |
| Qiming | releasing this now | 13:12 |
| Qiming | #endmeeting | 13:12 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jun 13 13:12:37 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:12 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/senlin/2017/senlin.2017-06-13-13.00.html | 13:12 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/senlin/2017/senlin.2017-06-13-13.00.txt | 13:12 |
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| igordcard | #startmeeting network_common_flow_classifier | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jun 13 14:00:50 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is igordcard. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
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| reedip_ | o/ | 14:01 |
| igordcard | hi all | 14:01 |
| igordcard | just giving 3 minutes to people | 14:01 |
| reedip_ | k | 14:01 |
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| bcafarel | hello | 14:02 |
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| davidsha | Hey | 14:02 |
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| igordcard | hi all again | 14:03 |
| igordcard | so let's start | 14:03 |
| igordcard | agenda: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Neutron/CommonClassificationFramework#Discussion_Topic_13_June_2017 | 14:03 |
| igordcard | #topic Spec status | 14:03 |
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| igordcard | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/333993 | 14:04 |
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| reedip_ | igordcard : going through it | 14:05 |
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| igordcard | just some background before diving in, I was able to get rights to the neutron-classifier after talking to kevinbenton | 14:06 |
| igordcard | that prompted more people to review the spec | 14:06 |
| igordcard | so there are a couple of new comments in the spec that I will address in the next patchset | 14:06 |
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| igordcard | since davidsha is/was working on the PoC, I've added him to neutron-classifier as well | 14:07 |
| igordcard | and based on that... | 14:07 |
| igordcard | #topic Implementation status | 14:07 |
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| igordcard | now that we have access to the repo, we can potentially start merging code | 14:08 |
| igordcard | I'd just wait until the existing neutron-classifier members are OK with the spec, and then we can start working on the repo | 14:09 |
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| igordcard | most of them have moved on, but e.g. sean has commented on the spec | 14:10 |
| davidsha | kk, just the update on the implementation, Classifications, Classification Groups and list classification types are done. At the moment I'm looking into the unit tests and then I can submit the code for review. | 14:10 |
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| igordcard | davidsha: cool, is it a different patch from https://review.openstack.org/#/c/445577/ ? | 14:11 |
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| davidsha | For the classifications we have ipv4, ipv6, tcp, udp and ethernet. No, that is the patch I'll submit it to. | 14:12 |
| igordcard | davidsha: alright | 14:12 |
| davidsha | Are there any questions about the implementation people would like to ask? | 14:14 |
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| igordcard | davidsha: we have to bring the repo to a clean state (i.e. wipe the unused code) | 14:15 |
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| igordcard | davidsha: we can do that after our changes or before... before makes it a bit clear as to when the CCF changes start I'd say | 14:16 |
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| igordcard | davidsha: but it's fine either way | 14:16 |
| davidsha | igordcard: true I can rebase over that repo wipe or we can clean up after the patch as a "retirement" of the old library. | 14:17 |
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| igordcard | davidsha: yeah | 14:18 |
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| igordcard | davidsha: I'll submit a quick patch with just the cookiecutter stuff to see what happens in the gate | 14:18 |
| igordcard | davidsha: DNM patch | 14:18 |
| davidsha | Cool, add me to it! | 14:18 |
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| igordcard | davidsha: alright! | 14:19 |
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| igordcard | I don't have anything else.. just going to fix the spec and make that test patch in neutron-classifier | 14:21 |
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| igordcard | #topic Open discussion | 14:21 |
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| * igordcard looks at bcafarel's coffee | 14:22 | |
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| bcafarel | sorry, the CCF does not allow coffee classification :) | 14:23 |
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| davidsha | bcafarel: yet* | 14:24 |
| igordcard | regarding the neutron-classifier core team.. me and davidsha are there due to the spec/code authorship, but as people engage in the project and make contributions, of course we will follow the good community habits, and anyone can join the team | 14:24 |
| reedip_ | hahaha | 14:24 |
| igordcard | bcafarel: it's all about extensibility | 14:24 |
| reedip_ | igordcard : thats a good idea :) | 14:25 |
| bcafarel | igordcard: don't forget to add that in the next spec update | 14:25 |
| reedip_ | I have been a bit distracted with other projects , but I will pitch in whenever I have some free time | 14:25 |
| igordcard | bcafarel: coffee classification type? OK | 14:26 |
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| bcafarel | nice | 14:26 |
| igordcard | reedip_: alright, let us know if there's any clear blocekr | 14:26 |
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| igordcard | many people have shown interest in the ccf over time, so it's a bit hard to manually invite everyone to the next patchsets, as such my recommendation is that you enable neutron-classifier email notifications in gerrit | 14:27 |
| reedip_ | igordcard : sure | 14:27 |
| bcafarel | ack, will do | 14:28 |
| igordcard | there won't be too many notifications since this is a small project | 14:28 |
| reedip_ | big things start small :P | 14:28 |
| igordcard | reedip_: yes | 14:29 |
| igordcard | alright, bye all | 14:29 |
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| bcafarel | see ya, waiting to get that cookicutter patch mail :) | 14:30 |
| davidsha | Same, I'll talk to ye! | 14:30 |
| igordcard | #endmeeting | 14:31 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jun 13 14:31:12 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:31 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/network_common_flow_classifier/2017/network_common_flow_classifier.2017-06-13-14.00.html | 14:31 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/network_common_flow_classifier/2017/network_common_flow_classifier.2017-06-13-14.00.txt | 14:31 |
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| yuval | #startmeeting karbor | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jun 13 15:00:57 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is yuval. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'karbor' | 15:01 |
| yuval | Hello | 15:01 |
| chenying_ | hi | 15:01 |
| yuval | and welcome to karbors weekly meeting | 15:01 |
| yuval | hey chenying_ | 15:01 |
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| chenying_ | hi | 15:01 |
| yuval | lets wait a few minutes | 15:02 |
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| yuval | right | 15:04 |
| yuval | so, nothing on the agenda | 15:04 |
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| yuval | #topic Open Discussion | 15:04 |
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| yuval | chenying_: anything? | 15:05 |
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| chenying_ | http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2017/tc.2017-05-16-20.01.html | 15:05 |
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| chenying_ | hi yuval Have you see the tc irc meeting? This topic Moving away from weekly meetings (ttx, 20:38:04) | 15:05 |
| chenying_ | How about changing karbor irc meeting to every two week. | 15:06 |
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| yuval | sounds good | 15:09 |
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| yuval | let's just verify that in the next meeting (which will be the one to stay) with the other contributors | 15:10 |
| yuval | and cores | 15:10 |
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| yuval | anything else? | 15:10 |
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| chenying_ | OK. | 15:11 |
| yuval | alright, good night | 15:11 |
| chenying_ | Fix "global name 'blacklist' is not defined" bug. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/473703/ Seems that this patch has not fix the isuue. | 15:11 |
| yuval | seems so | 15:12 |
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| yuval | dhellmann is on that (see in #openstack-release) | 15:12 |
| chenying_ | good. | 15:12 |
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| yuval | alright, good night :) | 15:13 |
| chenying_ | good night :) | 15:13 |
| yuval | #endmeeting | 15:13 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jun 13 15:13:45 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:13 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/karbor/2017/karbor.2017-06-13-15.00.html | 15:13 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/karbor/2017/karbor.2017-06-13-15.00.txt | 15:13 |
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| lbragstad | #startmeeting keystone | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jun 13 18:00:41 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is lbragstad. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 18:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'keystone' | 18:00 |
| lbragstad | ping ayoung, breton, cmurphy, dstanek, edmondsw, gagehugo, henrynash, hrybacki, knikolla, lamt, lbragstad, lwanderley, notmorgan, rderose, rodrigods, samueldmq, spilla, aselius | 18:00 |
| hrybacki | o/ | 18:00 |
| spilla | o/ | 18:00 |
| cmurphy | o/ | 18:00 |
| lbragstad | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/keystone-weekly-meeting | 18:00 |
| lbragstad | o/ | 18:01 |
| lamt | o/ | 18:01 |
| samueldmq | o/ | 18:01 |
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| edmondsw | o/ | 18:01 |
| rderose | o/ | 18:01 |
| gagehugo | o/ | 18:01 |
| rodrigods | hey | 18:01 |
| lbragstad | pretty short agenda today - so we might get some time back :) | 18:01 |
| lbragstad | #topic announcements | 18:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "announcements (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 18:01 | |
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| lbragstad | #info focus should be on feature development and large changes | 18:01 |
| lbragstad | since we past pike-2, we should be focusing on finishing up large changes we want to deliver this release | 18:02 |
| nishaYadav | o/ | 18:02 |
| lbragstad | if you're struggling or need help delivering something, please reach out | 18:02 |
| lbragstad | in addition to that - the number of bugs opened against keystone has been growing | 18:03 |
| lbragstad | at the start of the pike release, we were in the 90s | 18:03 |
| lbragstad | now we're up to 125 | 18:03 |
| cmurphy | :( | 18:03 |
| lbragstad | dstanek: was doing a lot of great work to keep the number manageable | 18:04 |
| knikolla | o/ | 18:04 |
| lbragstad | especially with bug day friday's | 18:04 |
| lbragstad | i want to call attention to it and see if anyone is going to be around this friday and wants to keep doing that work | 18:04 |
| lbragstad | or if we have someone who'd like to step up into the bug czar role | 18:04 |
| * knikolla volunteers | 18:05 | |
| lbragstad | knikolla: awesome - that'd be awesome | 18:05 |
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| cmurphy | i won't be here this friday but I can commit to dedicating some time on future fridays | 18:05 |
| lbragstad | cmurphy: ++ | 18:05 |
| aselius | o/ | 18:05 |
| lbragstad | we were pretty good about organizing those during the end of ocata going into pike | 18:06 |
| lbragstad | it would be nice to try and get back into that groove | 18:06 |
| nishaYadav | I can try fixing some, starting tomorrow infact | 18:07 |
| lbragstad | i'd also love to hear ideas for ways we can make that whole experience easier | 18:07 |
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| lbragstad | nishaYadav: ++ | 18:07 |
| nishaYadav | I would ping regarding the doubts, on the channel :) | 18:07 |
| lbragstad | for me, I personally find it tough to organize work on fridays | 18:07 |
| gagehugo | ^ | 18:08 |
| lbragstad | i think "bug work" is a very nebulous term | 18:08 |
| lbragstad | and open to interpretation | 18:08 |
| gagehugo | but we can try to get back into it | 18:08 |
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| lbragstad | i wouldn't be opposed to spending 30 minutes every friday coming up with a list of goals we want to accomplish | 18:08 |
| lbragstad | then we have something to work towards as a group | 18:09 |
| * lbragstad shrugs | 18:09 | |
| hrybacki | lbragstad: I can help on Friday | 18:09 |
| lbragstad | hrybacki: sweet! | 18:09 |
| lbragstad | does anyone else have that same feeling when participating in bug days? | 18:09 |
| knikolla | more organization and communication is good | 18:10 |
| lbragstad | i think so too, but any feedback is good | 18:10 |
| lbragstad | i kind of lean towards focusing efforts on a few things instead of a bunch of things | 18:10 |
| * hrybacki agrees | 18:11 | |
| lbragstad | i'm hoping something like this might result in more breakout work too | 18:11 |
| lbragstad | if gagehugo and i split off to work on a specific bug, then cmurphy hrybacki and knikolla spin off to work on something else, etc... | 18:11 |
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| lbragstad | either way - it'd be great to try out a couple of things and see how they work, then integrate it into every friday | 18:12 |
| nishaYadav | ++ | 18:12 |
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| lbragstad | I think that'd be a great pattern to establish and smooth out before we hit pike-3, which would be great because we'll be in bug-only mode anyway | 18:13 |
| hrybacki | ++ | 18:13 |
| knikolla | sounds good | 18:13 |
| lbragstad | if you have ideas, ping me, i'd be happy to listen | 18:13 |
| lbragstad | knikolla: wanna sync in -keystone after the meeting about bug czar? | 18:14 |
| samueldmq | lbragstad: just to make it a bit clearer | 18:14 |
| samueldmq | confirming bugs, triaging, fixing, reviewing | 18:14 |
| samueldmq | those are all welcome, correct? | 18:14 |
| lbragstad | samueldmq: ++ | 18:14 |
| knikolla | lbragstad: thumbs up | 18:14 |
| lbragstad | samueldmq: right - any bug work is valuable, so long as we understand what each process is and how to do it | 18:15 |
| lbragstad | if we end up with two people wanting to be bug czars, then i'd expect those two people to have pretty tight communication in the process | 18:15 |
| lbragstad | which i think is important for people consuming the bug work (e.g. opening the bugs) | 18:15 |
| hrybacki | bug czar? | 18:16 |
| gagehugo | czar of all bugs? | 18:16 |
| lbragstad | hrybacki: gagehugo yeah - it was a term that was introduced in an attempt to scale the PTL position | 18:16 |
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| lbragstad | in the early days, much of that work fell on the PTL | 18:16 |
| lbragstad | and it still does | 18:16 |
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| lbragstad | one of the scaling efforts was for the PTL to delegate some of that work to an individual that specialized in bugs for the project | 18:17 |
| * hrybacki nods | 18:17 | |
| lbragstad | (triaging, reporting, cleaning up, tracking, etc.) | 18:17 |
| hrybacki | okay, thank you :) | 18:17 |
| lbragstad | :) | 18:17 |
| knikolla | i wouldn't mind more responsibilities | 18:17 |
| gagehugo | ah | 18:17 |
| lbragstad | we can sync in -keystone after for folks who are interested | 18:18 |
| lbragstad | it's a rewarding experience | 18:18 |
| lbragstad | #topic tempest plugin is split out | 18:18 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "tempest plugin is split out (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 18:18 | |
| lbragstad | cmurphy: o/ | 18:18 |
| cmurphy | o/ | 18:18 |
| cmurphy | one of the queens goals was to split tempest plugins into their own repo | 18:18 |
| cmurphy | and we are already on top of it | 18:18 |
| cmurphy | #link http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/keystone-tempest-plugin | 18:18 |
| * lbragstad high-fives cmurphy | 18:19 | |
| cmurphy | the project-config change just merged to make our jobs use the split out plugin | 18:19 |
| cmurphy | so in a few minutes i'll recheck https://review.openstack.org/#/c/471060/ to make sure everything is good | 18:19 |
| patchbot | patch 471060 - keystone - Remove the local tempest plugin | 18:19 |
| cmurphy | so please propose tempest plugin changes to the new repo and please add the repo to your review watch list | 18:19 |
| * cmurphy done | 18:19 | |
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| lbragstad | cmurphy: thanks for all your work here | 18:20 |
| cmurphy | np | 18:20 |
| lbragstad | cmurphy: when that's done, i'll propose a patch to governance updating our artifacts for the change | 18:20 |
| lbragstad | #topic docs reorganization | 18:21 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "docs reorganization (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 18:21 | |
| lbragstad | samueldmq: sjain_ o/ | 18:21 |
| sjain_ | o/ | 18:21 |
| samueldmq | o/ | 18:21 |
| samueldmq | sjain_: want to explain the ideas? | 18:21 |
| sjain_ | yup | 18:21 |
| sjain_ | We are planning to reorganise the keystone documentation into three parts, developer, user and operator docs. Since it directly affects the whole docs directory and is a major change, we would like to discuss the idea. | 18:22 |
| samueldmq | #link https://docs.openstack.org/developer/keystone/ | 18:22 |
| sjain_ | the change is mostly based on this doc developed by Alex from doc team, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/472275/3/specs/pike/os-manuals-migration.rst | 18:22 |
| patchbot | patch 472275 - docs-specs - Adds spec for migrating the documentation suite to... | 18:22 |
| lbragstad | sjain_: awesome - i'm happy to see we're ahead of the curve there | 18:23 |
| sjain_ | thanks lbragstad | 18:23 |
| sjain_ | what do You think about this change? | 18:24 |
| lbragstad | sjain_: are all the project action items detailed in that spec covered by the reorg? | 18:24 |
| sjain_ | currently I have made this list for reorganisation, https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Gh1ai0p4zBbAHI660pwUFvaO7iinUDZAbNmmUmYjS70/edit?usp=sharing | 18:24 |
| sjain_ | more items need to be added | 18:24 |
| sjain_ | The spec covers some docs that need to be migrated from openstack-manuals also | 18:25 |
| lbragstad | oh - cool | 18:25 |
| sjain_ | I have covered those too in this link ^^ | 18:25 |
| lbragstad | sjain_: ok - which isn't included in your changes is it? | 18:25 |
| sjain_ | currently not | 18:26 |
| samueldmq | actually | 18:26 |
| samueldmq | sjain_ started that too | 18:26 |
| samueldmq | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/469515/ | 18:26 |
| patchbot | patch 469515 - keystone - Added keystone admin guides to documentation | 18:26 |
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| samueldmq | this does the migration for the admin guides | 18:26 |
| lbragstad | oh - nice | 18:27 |
| samueldmq | we might want to keep everything in the same topic so it'll be easier to review/keep track of | 18:27 |
| lbragstad | sjain_: samueldmq ++ | 18:27 |
| lbragstad | i agree | 18:27 |
| sjain_ | in total I found 4 subdirectories in openstack-manuals which need to be shifted | 18:27 |
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| lbragstad | sjain_: cool | 18:29 |
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| lbragstad | sjain_: i think this is really good - i couldn't agree more with the direction asettle laid out | 18:29 |
| samueldmq | lbragstad: ++ | 18:29 |
| lbragstad | anything we can do to help make that a reality, I'm on board | 18:29 |
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| lbragstad | not to mention, i've always wanted to have more consistency in the docs we keep in tree | 18:30 |
| sjain_ | yes, I'll try to come up with some initial patches, lets see how it comes up | 18:30 |
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| lbragstad | sjain_: sounds good - keep us posted and let us know if you need anything | 18:30 |
| sjain_ | sure, thanks :) | 18:30 |
| lbragstad | looks like there are some reviews up that i need to go look at | 18:30 |
| lbragstad | sjain_: samueldmq anything else? | 18:30 |
| sjain_ | lbragstad ++ | 18:31 |
| samueldmq | sjain_ covered everything :) | 18:31 |
| samueldmq | thanks | 18:31 |
| lbragstad | good deal | 18:31 |
| sjain_ | what about the change in docs theme? | 18:31 |
| lbragstad | sjain_: ? | 18:31 |
| lbragstad | sjain_: as in should we do it? | 18:32 |
| sjain_ | Yeah, here, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/466066/ | 18:32 |
| patchbot | patch 466066 - keystone - Updated the keystone docs to follow the docs theme | 18:32 |
| sjain_ | I updated this theme and this is left in open discussion | 18:32 |
| sjain_ | yes whether we should do it | 18:32 |
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| sjain_ | and if we do, for now what should be the table of contents | 18:32 |
| samueldmq | I guess there is a general consensus that we want it, it looks just nice :) | 18:33 |
| lbragstad | i'm all for the new theme so long as the information is still discoverable | 18:33 |
| samueldmq | for the toc think I guess people would need to go to the review and look at it, and the comments | 18:33 |
| samueldmq | lbragstad: ++ | 18:33 |
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| lbragstad | i can do that this week | 18:33 |
| * lbragstad makes a note | 18:34 | |
| nishaYadav | samueldmq, ++ | 18:34 |
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| sjain_ | sounds good samueldmq | 18:34 |
| lbragstad | taking a quick look through the comments, it doesn't look like any of them are hard NOs to the proposal | 18:35 |
| lbragstad | we just might need to refactor some of the documentation to fit the new layout | 18:35 |
| nishaYadav | thanks lbragstad, there are some comments which haven't been resolved yet | 18:35 |
| sjain_ | yes there are toctree related comments which need to be addressed | 18:36 |
| nishaYadav | lbragstad, like there are contrary views, would be great if we could have a decision over them, over the comment section or in a meetting next week | 18:36 |
| sjain_ | nishaYadav ++ | 18:36 |
| lbragstad | nishaYadav: yeah - that sounds good, let's make a point to get that on the agenda for next week so we don't forget about it | 18:36 |
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| lbragstad | if we come to consensus early, we can remove it | 18:37 |
| nishaYadav | lbragstad, sure, will do that. | 18:37 |
| lbragstad | cool | 18:37 |
| lbragstad | anything else docs-wise? | 18:37 |
| sjain_ | nopes that would be all :) | 18:37 |
| lbragstad | #topic open discussion | 18:37 |
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| lbragstad | floor is open | 18:38 |
| gagehugo | ptg tickets are up for buying | 18:38 |
| gagehugo | I think an email went out last week | 18:38 |
| lbragstad | huh - i only have a save the date | 18:38 |
| lbragstad | #link https://www.eventbrite.com/e/project-teams-gathering-denver-2017-tickets-33219389087 | 18:39 |
| knikolla | 500 tickets on sale | 18:39 |
| gagehugo | hotel blocks are in the email | 18:40 |
| gagehugo | looks like the discounted ones from the foundation are the cheapest for that hotel | 18:40 |
| gagehugo | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-June/118002.html | 18:41 |
| lbragstad | fyi - there is a channel for all ptg related topic | 18:42 |
| lbragstad | topics* | 18:42 |
| lbragstad | #openstack-ptg | 18:42 |
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| knikolla | too soon to plan an agenda for keystone? | 18:43 |
| lbragstad | knikolla: nope - we can start doing that | 18:43 |
| lbragstad | we can start collecting a bunch of topics and organize them into buckets | 18:44 |
| knikolla | ++ | 18:44 |
| lbragstad | but i wouldn't expect to formalize a schedule until August, so we should remain flexible until then | 18:44 |
| lbragstad | i don't expect cross-project threads for PTG sessions to start popping up for a few weeks | 18:44 |
| lbragstad | and those topics are typically the ones we plan the rest of everything else around | 18:45 |
| lbragstad | (or at least that's what i did for atlanta) | 18:45 |
| lbragstad | i think we're still a little early in the planning phase, but that's ok | 18:46 |
| lbragstad | anyone have anything else? | 18:47 |
| * nishaYadav is wondering if she can see the details/summary of the last ptg, something similar to the summit videos for those who missed it(ptg) | 18:47 | |
| lbragstad | nishaYadav: well - we didn't have any video recordings | 18:47 |
| lbragstad | nishaYadav: but i attempted to put together a summary https://www.lbragstad.com/blog/keystone-pike-ptg-summary | 18:47 |
| nishaYadav | lbragstad, oh, thanks for the article, on it :D | 18:48 |
| lbragstad | nishaYadav: no problem | 18:48 |
| lbragstad | anything else? | 18:48 |
| lbragstad | cool - thanks for coming everyone! | 18:49 |
| lbragstad | #endmeeting | 18:49 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jun 13 18:49:35 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:49 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2017/keystone.2017-06-13-18.00.html | 18:49 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2017/keystone.2017-06-13-18.00.txt | 18:49 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2017/keystone.2017-06-13-18.00.log.html | 18:49 |
| cmurphy | o/ | 18:49 |
| hrybacki | o/ | 18:49 |
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| fungi | hello infra team! | 19:00 |
| cmurphy | o/ | 19:00 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | o/ | 19:00 |
| fungi | this week we have action items assigned to and topics proposed by clarkb, fungi and ianw | 19:00 |
| bkero | o/ | 19:00 |
| fungi | no general topics on the agenda, so this may be a relatively short meeting | 19:00 |
| * mordred waves at humans | 19:00 | |
| clarkb | hello | 19:01 |
| ianw | o/ | 19:01 |
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| fungi | #startmeeting infra | 19:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jun 13 19:02:31 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is fungi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'infra' | 19:02 |
| fungi | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/InfraTeamMeeting#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 19:02 |
| fungi | #topic Announcements | 19:02 |
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| fungi | #info If you want to meet in person, registration for the PTG is now *OPEN*. | 19:02 |
| fungi | #link https://www.openstack.org/ptg/ PTG September 11-15 in Denver, CO, USA | 19:02 |
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| fungi | as always, feel free to hit me up with announcements you want included in future meetings | 19:03 |
| fungi | #topic Actions from last meeting | 19:03 |
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| fungi | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2017/infra.2017-06-06-19.03.html | 19:03 |
| fungi | fungi [lots of specs-related followup and cleanup] | 19:03 |
| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/471948 Clean up implemented specs | 19:03 |
| patchbot | patch 471948 - openstack-infra/infra-specs - Clean up implemented specs | 19:03 |
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| ianychoi | o/ | 19:05 |
| fungi | ianw abandon pholio spec and send announcement about discontinuing the (unused) service | 19:05 |
| fungi | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-June/118275.html shutting down pholio.openstack.org | 19:05 |
| ianw | haven't shut it down yet, but will | 19:06 |
| fungi | i don't see a spec change yet to move that one to abandoned either | 19:06 |
| fungi | #action ianw abandon pholio spec and shut down pholio.openstack.org server | 19:06 |
| fungi | thanks for writing that up! | 19:06 |
| ianw | yep, will do | 19:06 |
| fungi | clarkb finish writing up an upgrade doc for gerrit 2.11 to 2.13 | 19:06 |
| fungi | i think you said you were planning to dig into it later this week? | 19:06 |
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| clarkb | ya, I've run into the performance issues in the gate and have been trying totrack those down | 19:07 |
| clarkb | so haven't had time to work through gerrit upgrade process yet | 19:07 |
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| clarkb | goal is to get the gerrit plan written down in the next couple days | 19:07 |
| fungi | cool. they're both important | 19:07 |
| fungi | #action clarkb finish writing up an upgrade doc for gerrit 2.11 to 2.13 | 19:07 |
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| fungi | #topic Specs approval - PROPOSED: PTG Bot (fungi) | 19:08 |
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| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/473582 "PTG Bot" spec proposal | 19:08 |
| fungi | fairly straightforward (i hope), presumably many of you saw the discussion on the ml about running this | 19:08 |
| fungi | if not, it's linked in the spec | 19:08 |
| fungi | if you voted on this earlier, i just pushed up a new patchset a few minutes ago to address some clarification jeblair requested | 19:09 |
| fungi | if you haven't seen it yet, it's a quick read | 19:09 |
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| fungi | one thing maybe worth noting about the bot itself is that it's written for python 3, though looking through the puppet-statusbot module which i was intending to pattern it after, nothing really jumped out at me as being a challenge for installing/running it under python3 | 19:11 |
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| fungi | its python deps are a subset of statusbot's, but we'll just end up with two copies of them (one in the python2.7 import path, and one in the python3.4 import path on the server) | 19:12 |
| fungi | we already seem to be satisfying those from pypi, therefore i don't think we need to do anything different besides yse pip3 or python3 -m pip in place of the normal pip exec we have for statusbot | 19:13 |
| fungi | anybody have any concerns before i set a deadline for council voting? since i only uploaded it this week, i was thinking of a week from thursday as the cutoff | 19:15 |
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| * fungi takes your collective silence as a deafening tacit approval ;) | 19:16 | |
| fungi | #info Council voting is open for the "PTG Bot" spec proposal until 19:00 UTC on Thursday, June 22. | 19:16 |
| fungi | any questions at all about this before we move on? | 19:16 |
| fungi | #topic Priority Efforts | 19:17 |
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| fungi | nothing called out specifically here for this week | 19:17 |
| fungi | #topic Open discussion | 19:17 |
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| fungi | i just refreshed the agenda and, still seeing no general topics proposed, it's open discussion | 19:18 |
| cmurphy | i went through a bunch of the puppet modules and fixed the beaker jobs, would appreciate reviews https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:%22%255Eopenstack-infra/.*%2524%22+topic:fix-beaker | 19:18 |
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| ianychoi | From I18n team, I would like to say | 19:18 |
| ianychoi | - Please review a infra-spec modification: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/440825/ | 19:18 |
| ianychoi | - I am considering one more Zanata upgrade before Zanata uses Java 9 and/or Wildfly 11 :) | 19:18 |
| ianychoi | - Can I ask the progress of the database modification for translate-dev.o.o to support openstackid-dev? | 19:18 |
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| cmurphy | if they're not all green and the end of the patch stack isn't green please don't merge broken things | 19:18 |
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| fungi | cmurphy: 61 changes! wow. and they're all passing | 19:19 |
| cmurphy | clarkb: you might be interested in this one specifically https://review.openstack.org/#/c/461806/ | 19:19 |
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| clarkb | ianychoi: for the auth I think we are still waiting on openstackid-dev updating how you change your password? | 19:20 |
| cmurphy | fungi: they're not though, because the ubuntu beaker jobs are all nonvoting | 19:20 |
| clarkb | ianychoi: I think last I heard it was still not quite useable? | 19:20 |
| cmurphy | but, the end of each stack should be green | 19:20 |
| fungi | cmurphy: oh, hah right :/ | 19:20 |
| fungi | cmurphy: that's awesome work, thanks! | 19:20 |
| ianychoi | clarkb, the passwords were changed the time we discussed :) | 19:20 |
| clarkb | ianychoi: yes, but users need to be able to change their own passwords too | 19:20 |
| clarkb | ianychoi: and that piece is/was still missing I think | 19:21 |
| clarkb | cmurphy: I've pulled it up and will review after lunch | 19:21 |
| fungi | test again, i'm pretty sure smarcet said that was fixed (or nearly so) last week | 19:21 |
| ianychoi | aha really yep the password link needed basic auth but now it does not require basic auth | 19:22 |
| fungi | we merged a change to point the password reset at the dev site and he undid the basic auth blocking public access to that and, i think, also confirmed e-mail sending is working | 19:22 |
| clarkb | cool | 19:23 |
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| ianychoi | For merging a spec: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/440825/ , which things might I do further? | 19:25 |
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| fungi | ianychoi: i've added it to my personal priority list to review that one. assuming nobody points out any substantial concerns in it i'll propose it for an official rollcall next week. how does that sound? | 19:27 |
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| ianychoi | fungi, sounds great! Thanks a lot | 19:27 |
| ianw | cmurphy: the "Update beaker setup for xenial" is boilerplate? | 19:27 |
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| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:%22%255Eopenstack-infra/.*%2524%22+topic:fix-beaker cmurphy's changes to fix beaker jobs on our puppet modules | 19:28 |
| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/440825 New spec for translation_check_site (Ansible AIO) | 19:28 |
| ianw | so rather than port everything to 4, the approach is more to install puppetlabs v3? | 19:28 |
| cmurphy | ianw: most of them are boilerplate...i just clicked on a random one and it has extra changes in it, so i'll double check | 19:29 |
| cmurphy | ianw: i wanted to get everything working and voting on puppet 3 which we're still using before taking the next step to start testing on puppet 4 | 19:29 |
| cmurphy | so we can start from square 0 | 19:30 |
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| fungi | seems like a reasonable approach | 19:30 |
| ianw | sure, i'm just thinking if we broadly agree on that here we and it's mostly xenial only boilerplate we can get that in quickly | 19:31 |
| ianw | and turn it to voting to stop regression? | 19:31 |
| fungi | that's my hope | 19:31 |
| cmurphy | yep | 19:32 |
| fungi | i don't want these to linger or they'll bitrot quickly (between merge conflicts and new regressions) | 19:32 |
| ianw | are you allowed/able to mirror puppetlabs repo? | 19:32 |
| pabelanger | o/ | 19:33 |
| cmurphy | mirror the puppetlabs puppet modules from github? | 19:33 |
| cmurphy | i don't see why not | 19:33 |
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| ianw | i meant the v3 packages more | 19:33 |
| cmurphy | oh right | 19:33 |
| cmurphy | again i don't see why not | 19:33 |
| cmurphy | but they don't have puppet 3 packages for xenial | 19:34 |
| cmurphy | so the current proposal is to get them from the distro repos which we do already mirror | 19:34 |
| cmurphy | definitely worth talking about for puppet 4 though | 19:34 |
| fungi | puppet 3.8.5-2ubuntu0.1 is currently in ubuntu xenial-updates | 19:35 |
| fungi | doesn't look like puppet 4.x was introduced into an ubuntu release until yakkety (16.10) | 19:36 |
| mordred | so in some ways we could choose to not worry about puppet 4 until we move servers to post-xenial | 19:36 |
| ianw | cmurphy: oh, heh, yeah i was parsing your comment in the change backwards, makes sense | 19:36 |
| mordred | I mean, we should fix stuff | 19:37 |
| fungi | 18.04 will presumably have puppet >= 4.8.2 since that's what's presently slated for 17.10 | 19:37 |
| mordred | just saying - if we move our own deployments to use distro packages of puppet for puppet3, we can keep doing thatuntil we have an 18.04 server should we choose | 19:37 |
| fungi | fixing sooner would be good, but we'll need to have stuff working on puppet 4 before we can move to the next lts for sure | 19:37 |
| cmurphy | mordred: sure but there are other benefits to switching over | 19:37 |
| mordred | cmurphy: cool | 19:37 |
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| fungi | oh, i missed this in the action items (and haven't done it yet!): | 19:39 |
| fungi | #action fungi start an infra ml thread about puppet 4, beaker jobs and the future of infra configuration management | 19:39 |
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| ianw | so we should turn these jobs voting, and add 4 jobs even if failing? | 19:39 |
| ianw | heh, or discuss in ^^ | 19:39 |
| fungi | definitely on #1, probably on #2 | 19:39 |
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| cmurphy | i haven't gone through every module so not all of them will pass on puppet 3 yet | 19:39 |
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| cmurphy | if anyone wants to help that would be cool | 19:40 |
| ianw | cmurphy: seems like you've done the hard work anyway :) plenty of templates | 19:40 |
| cmurphy | most of the hard stuff isn't the rspec stuff it's the random other xenial breakage | 19:41 |
| cmurphy | or a lot of the modules probably never had working fixture manifests in the first place | 19:41 |
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| fungi | i would bet on the latter | 19:43 |
| cmurphy | like accessbot https://review.openstack.org/#/c/461810/ there is no way that has ever worked | 19:44 |
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| fungi | hah | 19:47 |
| fungi | accessbo | 19:47 |
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| fungi | open discussion seems to have petered out... thanks everyone! | 19:51 |
| fungi | #endmeeting | 19:51 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jun 13 19:51:24 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:51 |
| cmurphy | o/ | 19:51 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2017/infra.2017-06-13-19.02.html | 19:51 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2017/infra.2017-06-13-19.02.txt | 19:51 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2017/infra.2017-06-13-19.02.log.html | 19:51 |
| fungi | in 8 minutes, there will be no tc meeting! ;) | 19:52 |
| fungi | (next tc office hours 01:00 utc in #openstack-tc) | 19:52 |
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| Xiaoyi | Hello! | 20:19 |
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| Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_ | Hi | 20:57 |
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| Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_ | Can anybody see my messages? | 20:57 |
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| trandles | yes, hello | 20:58 |
| Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_ | good | 20:59 |
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| Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_ | Is Stig here? | 20:59 |
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| Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_ | How we should start? | 20:59 |
| trandles | he's on his way Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_ | 20:59 |
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| Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_ | ok I see @trandles | 21:00 |
| jmlowe | usually takes 1-5 min for everyone to get situated | 21:00 |
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| oneswig | Hi all | 21:00 |
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| oneswig | #startmeeting scientific_wg | 21:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jun 13 21:01:01 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is oneswig. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'scientific_wg' | 21:01 |
| oneswig | Greetings all | 21:01 |
| rbudden | hello everyone! | 21:01 |
| jmlowe | Hey, Bob made it! | 21:01 |
| martial | Hi Stig, everyone | 21:01 |
| Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_ | Hi, Stig, everyone | 21:01 |
| oneswig | #chair martial | 21:01 |
| openstack | Current chairs: martial oneswig | 21:01 |
| jmlowe | Martial, Stig | 21:01 |
| priteau | Hello | 21:01 |
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| rbudden | yes, might have to bow out early for daycare pickup though ;) | 21:01 |
| oneswig | Hi Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_, thanks for coming | 21:01 |
| trandles | Hi hi everyone | 21:01 |
| Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_ | sure you are welcome | 21:01 |
| DK_ | Hi, Stig | 21:01 |
| oneswig | #link Today's agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Scientific_working_group#IRC_Meeting_June_13th_2017 | 21:01 |
| oneswig | OK lets get the show on the road | 21:02 |
| oneswig | Blair here yet? | 21:02 |
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| oneswig | OK, lets get started | 21:02 |
| oneswig | #topic RDMA-enabled Big Data | 21:02 |
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| oneswig | Hello DK_ Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_ thanks both for coming | 21:03 |
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| Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_ | Hello everybody | 21:03 |
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| oneswig | #link presentation for today is http://www.hpcadvisorycouncil.com/events/2017/swiss-workshop/pdf/Tuesday11April/DKPanda_BigDataMeetsHPC_Tue04112017.pdf | 21:03 |
| oneswig | We can talk today about OSU's work | 21:03 |
| oneswig | on optimising HPDA platforms with RDMA | 21:03 |
| verdurin | Evening. | 21:03 |
| oneswig | Hi verdurin, welcome | 21:04 |
| oneswig | Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_: DK_: can you talk about how long you've been working on this project and an overview of what you've done? | 21:04 |
| DK_ | We have been working on this project for the last four years. | 21:05 |
| DK_ | The broad idea is to exploit HPC technologies (including RDMA) to accelerate Hadoop, Spark and Memcached. | 21:05 |
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| DK_ | Recently, we have also been exploring virtualization support for these stacks with SR-IOV and OpenStack | 21:06 |
| oneswig | Hadoop and Spark - presumably big lumps of java - how do you do that? | 21:06 |
| Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_ | For Hadoop, we have designs for difffernent components | 21:06 |
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| Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_ | say, RPC, MapReduce, and HDFS | 21:06 |
| oneswig | I'm looking at the box called "OSU design" in the new network stack (slide 11) | 21:06 |
| Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_ | They are designed with Java + JNI + native C libraires | 21:07 |
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| oneswig | Are there well established precedents for using JNI to do RDMA into a JVM? | 21:07 |
| Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_ | For Spark, we currently also bring our RDMA design into the shuffle manager | 21:07 |
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| b1airo | hi all (bit late sorry, early morning dns issues) | 21:08 |
| oneswig | Hi b1airo, good morning | 21:08 |
| oneswig | #chair b1airo | 21:09 |
| Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_ | Different groups are exploring different solutions. We choose JNI to have better control for the low-level verbs-based designs. | 21:09 |
| openstack | Current chairs: b1airo martial oneswig | 21:09 |
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| martial | #chaor b1airo | 21:09 |
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| oneswig | Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_: How big were the changes for Hadoop and Spark components - is this a major change or is it well layered/ | 21:09 |
| Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_ | First I think it is well layered. | 21:10 |
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| Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_ | For example, we implement our RDMA designs as plugins for these components. | 21:10 |
| Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_ | We don't want to change too many lines of code inside the original codebase. | 21:11 |
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| Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_ | That's why we are able to support Apache Distribution of Hadoop, as well as CDH and HDP. | 21:11 |
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| oneswig | So it's maintainable? Sounds promising. | 21:11 |
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| Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_ | Yes, it is maintainable. And we don't change any existing APIs for these components | 21:12 |
| oneswig | Something I missed was the acronym HHH for Hadoop - what is that? (slide 14) | 21:12 |
| Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_ | We also keep the existing architecture intact. | 21:12 |
| Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_ | HHH means A Hybrid Approach to Accelerate HDFS on HPC Clusters with Heterogeneous Storage Architecture | 21:13 |
| b1airo | oneswig: are there slides somewhere i missed? | 21:13 |
| Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_ | Hybrid, HDFS, and Heterogeneous are three key wrods | 21:13 |
| oneswig | these ones b1airo: http://www.hpcadvisorycouncil.com/events/2017/swiss-workshop/pdf/Tuesday11April/DKPanda_BigDataMeetsHPC_Tue04112017.pdf | 21:13 |
| Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_ | words | 21:13 |
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| oneswig | Hybrid between what and what? | 21:13 |
| Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_ | Hybrid means different I/O paths among hard disks, SSD, RAM Disk, and parallel filesystems. | 21:14 |
| Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_ | More details can be found at this paper: Triple-H: A Hybrid Approach to Accelerate HDFS on HPC Clusters with Heterogeneous Storage Architecture | 21:15 |
| Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_ | which was presented at CCGrid 2015 | 21:15 |
| oneswig | Is there a URL? | 21:15 |
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| Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_ | Here it is: http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/stamp/stamp.jsp?arnumber=7152476 | 21:15 |
| Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_ | from IEEE Digital Library | 21:16 |
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| oneswig | Thanks Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_ | 21:16 |
| Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_ | No problem. | 21:16 |
| martial | #link http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/stamp/stamp.jsp?arnumber=7152476 | 21:16 |
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| oneswig | the benchmark results (slide 26 onwards) look compelling. How does Ethernet (10G or 50G) fit on these graphs - have you tested? | 21:18 |
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| Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_ | we have some initial evaluations with 10GigE, but we have not done anything for 50G | 21:18 |
| oneswig | RoCE 10GE would be interesting if you've done that | 21:19 |
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| Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_ | We don't have large testbed with RoCE 10GE | 21:19 |
| Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_ | but anybody can do this study with our libraries since we support RoCE also | 21:20 |
| Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_ | users can just download them from this link: http://hibd.cse.ohio-state.edu/ | 21:20 |
| Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_ | as indicated in slide 12 | 21:20 |
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| martial | #link http://hibd.cse.ohio-state.edu/ | 21:21 |
| oneswig | Is the project open source? | 21:21 |
| Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_ | not yet. | 21:21 |
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| Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_ | The OHB benchmarks are opensourced already | 21:22 |
| oneswig | Do you have plans for the rest? | 21:22 |
| Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_ | yes, in future | 21:22 |
| oneswig | great. | 21:22 |
| b1airo | large scale RoCE workloads may not work well anyway, unless you were using MOFED4.0, depending on application RDMA QP requirements | 21:22 |
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| oneswig | b1airo: did you get that bond issue fixed that was blocking you? | 21:23 |
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| oneswig | Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_: These results all look great. What are the cases where it doesn't perform well? :-) | 21:24 |
| b1airo | oneswig: it was supposed to be fixed in 4.1 but we haven't checked it again yet | 21:24 |
| Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_ | for some workloads, if they are not communication intensive, then you may not be able to see obvious benefits | 21:24 |
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| oneswig | Why did you base your benchmarks on IPoIB? Was that because of what you had available? | 21:26 |
| Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_ | No, for IPoIB, we can evaluate our enhanced design with default design on the same InfiniBand hardware | 21:26 |
| Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_ | we believe this is a fair way to compare them. | 21:27 |
| b1airo | makes sense | 21:27 |
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| b1airo | it would be very interesting, and probably give the work a greater audience and applicability, to see more results over an Ethernet fabric | 21:27 |
| oneswig | Do you know these people: https://gaia.ac.uk/gaia-uk/ioa-cambridge/dpci - website says 108 nodes but that's a previous generation. IIRC they have 200+ nodes running IPoIB Hadoop | 21:27 |
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| Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_ | Do you mean RoCE? | 21:28 |
| b1airo | Yes, RoCE versus regular TCP over the same high-speed Ethernet | 21:28 |
| oneswig | Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_: I'd say so | 21:28 |
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| Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_ | Yes, we actually can support such type of comparison as well with our packages | 21:29 |
| Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_ | like I said earlier, we support native RoCE or IB | 21:29 |
| Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_ | it can be configured with our libraries | 21:29 |
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| oneswig | So - OpenStack - how do they integrate so far? You build on an OFED image, so that's easy enough. | 21:30 |
| b1airo | Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_: do you have any special relationship with Mellanox, e.g., Centre of Excellence ? | 21:30 |
| Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_ | we are able to run three modes: default TCP/IP, native IB, native RoCE | 21:30 |
| Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_ | you can go to this page: http://hibd.cse.ohio-state.edu/userguide/ | 21:30 |
| oneswig | Are the last two via MVAPICH2? | 21:30 |
| b1airo | they might be able to get you access to a reasonable Ethernet test-bed | 21:30 |
| Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_ | to get all the configuration information from our userguides for various components | 21:31 |
| Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_ | yes, we do have closely worked with Mellanox folks | 21:31 |
| Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_ | MVAPICH2 is a separate project | 21:31 |
| Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_ | that's great! | 21:31 |
| Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_ | we would love to get the access | 21:32 |
| oneswig | Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_: OK thanks re: MVAPICH2. How have you integrated with OpenStack to date? | 21:32 |
| Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_ | So, for Openstack integration, we are using Heat to develop a standard deploy template | 21:33 |
| oneswig | Is this the appliance for Chameleon | 21:33 |
| oneswig | ? | 21:33 |
| Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_ | this template will help users to set up all required dependencies as well as install and configure our libraries automatically | 21:34 |
| Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_ | yes | 21:34 |
| Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_ | it is available on Chameleon already | 21:34 |
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| Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_ | here is the information about our appliance | 21:34 |
| Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_ | https://www.chameleoncloud.org/appliances/17/docs/ | 21:34 |
| oneswig | The appliance looks like it deploys a hypervisor first - is that correct? | 21:35 |
| Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_ | yes | 21:35 |
| Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_ | we will first allocate some bare-metal nodes and then deploy the KVM instances on top of it | 21:35 |
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| Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_ | then, a layer of RDMA-Hadoop will be set up on these vms | 21:36 |
| oneswig | Are the benchmarks you publish from SR-IOV VMs? Or bare metal? | 21:36 |
| Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_ | except slide 48 | 21:36 |
| Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_ | others are taken from bare-metal nodes | 21:37 |
| Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_ | the numbers on slide 48 are taken from SR-IOV vms | 21:37 |
| oneswig | We are looking at integrating HiBD into Sahara - on bare metal | 21:37 |
| oneswig | Any advice? | 21:38 |
| Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_ | We are still exploring Sahara. At this point, we don't know what kind of issues will be there | 21:38 |
| oneswig | What Mark my colleague has found so far is that HiBD uses pretty new versions of everything, and Sahara's pinned on some pretty old versions. | 21:38 |
| Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_ | if you find any problems, please feel free to contact us | 21:38 |
| Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_ | and we will be happy to help | 21:39 |
| oneswig | Thanks Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_, will do! | 21:39 |
| b1airo | Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_: would the Heat template be easily editable to remove the bare-metal component assuming we already had RDMA-capable KVM guests via Nova? | 21:39 |
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| Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_ | We keep upgrading our designs to the newer version of the codebase | 21:39 |
| oneswig | I think generally it would be a great thing to have this project easily integrated into HPDA-on-demand | 21:39 |
| b1airo | oneswig: we have Sahara in Nectar testcloud at the moment, it's behind Trove for prod deployment currently | 21:40 |
| Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_ | yes, that will be doable with Heat | 21:40 |
| martial | oneswig: great idea | 21:40 |
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| oneswig | Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_: Interesting to see how you've worked a software deployment inside a vm that is itself a software deployment | 21:40 |
| Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_ | OK | 21:41 |
| Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_ | :-) | 21:41 |
| oneswig | I'm sure there's wide interest in this, for anyone with RDMA-enabled kit and an interest in data-intensive analytics | 21:42 |
| Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_ | I agree | 21:42 |
| oneswig | Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_: do you already have contact with people from the Sahara project? | 21:42 |
| Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_ | One person from Sahara project talked to me earlier when I presented this work in OpenStack Summit @ Boston | 21:43 |
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| Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_ | they also feel very interested with our designs. | 21:43 |
| oneswig | If we can, let's find a way to get an OSU recipe into their work. | 21:44 |
| b1airo | that's my main concern with Sahara... as I understand it Mirantis built it but then cut back the dev resources, and I'm not sure how much other community there is around it yet | 21:44 |
| oneswig | b1airo: don't know either. It's very useful for us. | 21:44 |
| oneswig | Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_: memcached - presumably much simpler. I wonder if this might be usable on the OpenStack control plane - have you ever tested it in a Keystone use case? | 21:45 |
| b1airo | i agree it is useful, but i'm still on the fence about whether we need a specific service, i mean you could do something pretty similar with Murano packages | 21:46 |
| Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_ | No, we didn't do that | 21:46 |
| b1airo | or even just an external orchestration tool - Juju, Ansible, etc | 21:46 |
| oneswig | b1airo: We do a fair bit with heat wrapped up in Ansible. What these services get you is a dashboard panel. | 21:46 |
| oneswig | Which helps for user friendliness | 21:46 |
| Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_ | we have not explored these | 21:47 |
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| oneswig | I suppose it doesn't do much for you if Hadoop/Spark is part of a wider application platform - like http://opencb.org | 21:48 |
| b1airo | oneswig: yes UI is important, but Murano could give you that too | 21:48 |
| oneswig | b1airo: Isn't Murano in a similar boat to Sahara? | 21:49 |
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| b1airo | have you looked at the Sahara interface? there are a LOT of widgets, confusing even for someone with a vague idea of what they are doing | 21:49 |
| b1airo | oneswig: dev/community wise? yes i suppose so | 21:49 |
| b1airo | i suppose i'm thinking that not all of these projects will last and wondering what things are best to invest in | 21:50 |
| Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_ | If the OpenCB can run with default Hadoop/Spark, they should be able to run on our packages directly | 21:50 |
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| oneswig | b1airo: No I haven't - slightly worried that the interface might not be the panacea we hope for... | 21:50 |
| oneswig | We are overrunning on time... any final questions WG? | 21:51 |
| b1airo | other option for UI is something like Ambari, but then that's a service atop your cloud, not integrated into it | 21:51 |
| oneswig | b1airo: perhaps that's OK, in that the application platform is not locked in to OpenStack... | 21:52 |
| oneswig | heresy I know :-) | 21:52 |
| oneswig | OK, we should cover other items. | 21:52 |
| Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_ | OK | 21:52 |
| Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_ | :-) | 21:52 |
| oneswig | Thank you Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_ and DK_ - very helpful | 21:52 |
| DK_ | Thank you!! | 21:53 |
| Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_ | Thanks everyone! | 21:53 |
| oneswig | really good to have you come by! | 21:53 |
| b1airo | yes thanks a lot! | 21:53 |
| martial | really good coverage, truly appreciate | 21:53 |
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| oneswig | Martial do you have a roundup on ORC? | 21:53 |
| martial | yes I do | 21:53 |
| martial | #topic ORC roundup | 21:53 |
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| martial | ORC continue its discussion on the different topics discovered during the original effort | 21:53 |
| martial | #link https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B4Y7flFgUgf9dElkaFkwbUhKblU | 21:53 |
| martial | Conversation is ongoing toward a federation effort for more than just OpenStack | 21:53 |
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| martial | There is a request to see what and who from the SWG can bring any research user stories / information / effort to the initiative | 21:54 |
| martial | The next meeting is going to be at the end of August in Amsterdam (dates to be finalized) | 21:54 |
| martial | Stig, are you able/willing to go? | 21:54 |
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| martial | (physical meeting) | 21:54 |
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| oneswig | martial: sounds possible. | 21:54 |
| martial | there is a weekly telecon on Mondays at 11am EST | 21:54 |
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| oneswig | I love a good kletskoppen | 21:54 |
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| martial | oneswig: will mention that to Kazil then, he will reach out to you once the official meeting is set | 21:55 |
| martial | and that is it for ORC roundup :) | 21:55 |
| oneswig | OK, thanks martial | 21:55 |
| martial | (yes I prepared my text :) ) | 21:55 |
| oneswig | Anyone going to ISC next week? I believe Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_ and DK will be there... | 21:56 |
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| oneswig | Unfortunately I will not but one of my colleagues is heading over | 21:56 |
| Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_ | we are there | 21:56 |
| oneswig | Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_: great | 21:56 |
| powerd | hey oneswig, ill be over at ISC! | 21:56 |
| b1airo | i was going to but then realised how close it was to all the travel i've just had - need to stick around home for a while! | 21:57 |
| oneswig | Hello powerd! You guys should meet up with Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_? | 21:57 |
| Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_ | we are happy to meet with you guys there | 21:57 |
| oneswig | powerd: John's going to be there, perhaps he already mentioned that. | 21:57 |
| powerd | yea that would be great - i sat in a workshop at SC about HiBD and have had it on my 'to test' list for for too long | 21:58 |
| b1airo | quick question - anyone got experience with transparent hugepages integration with HPC workloads ? | 21:58 |
| powerd | yup will be syncing with john too | 21:58 |
| oneswig | b1airo: not that I'm aware of, we've been busy on baremetal these last few months | 21:58 |
| oneswig | I had one final question | 21:59 |
| b1airo | e.g., how to transparently make allocations use madvise etc, preferably with scheduler switches | 21:59 |
| oneswig | #link CharlieCloud article https://insidehpc.com/2017/06/charliecloud-simplifies-big-data-supercomputing-lanl/ | 21:59 |
| oneswig | trandles: Are you holding punched cards in the photo?? | 21:59 |
| trandles | haha | 21:59 |
| rbudden | lol | 21:59 |
| oneswig | You guys are old school :-) | 21:59 |
| trandles | yeah the caption wasn't correct | 21:59 |
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| trandles | I'm holding equivalent pages representing code base for docker, shifter, singularity | 22:00 |
| b1airo | really floppy disks? | 22:00 |
| trandles | Reid is holding all of Charliecloud's source code | 22:00 |
| b1airo | should the caption have read: "here's some guys we ran into outside the printer room" | 22:00 |
| trandles | yes basically | 22:00 |
| oneswig | OK - on that happy note, time to take it away for another week... | 22:00 |
| oneswig | Thanks all | 22:00 |
| oneswig | #endmeeting | 22:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jun 13 22:00:59 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_wg/2017/scientific_wg.2017-06-13-21.01.html | 22:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_wg/2017/scientific_wg.2017-06-13-21.01.txt | 22:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_wg/2017/scientific_wg.2017-06-13-21.01.log.html | 22:01 |
| Xiaoyi-Lu-OSU_ | thanks, bye | 22:01 |
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| rbudden | catch ya’ll later! | 22:01 |
| martial | good bye all :) | 22:01 |
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| b1airo | *ciao | 22:01 |
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