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| ekcs | time for congress meeting. thinrichs masahito ramineni_ aimeeu | 00:00 |
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| ekcs | #startmeeting congressteammeeting | 00:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu May 18 00:00:49 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ekcs. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 00:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 00:00 |
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| ramineni_ | ekcs: hi | 00:01 |
| ekcs | Hi all! welcome back to another meeting. | 00:01 |
| ekcs | hi ramineni_ ! | 00:01 |
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| masahito | hi | 00:01 |
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| ekcs | as usual, collaborative set of topics are here; https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/congress-meeting-topics | 00:01 |
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| ekcs | hi masahito ! | 00:03 |
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| ekcs | ok let's dive in then. | 00:05 |
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| ekcs | #topic gate failures | 00:05 |
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| ekcs | ramineni_ has resolved/worked around the failures from last week. Big thanks! | 00:06 |
| ekcs | seems like we may have a new failure though. | 00:06 |
| ramineni_ | Nova client removed the floating ips list method from their code ..so we are seeing error | 00:07 |
| ramineni_ | It's deprecated since ocata I guess .. They removed completely now | 00:07 |
| ekcs | Got it! I had started looking at it today but didn't get very far. | 00:08 |
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| ekcs | ramineni_, do you know if there is an easy fix? | 00:08 |
| ramineni_ | I raised a patch | 00:09 |
| ekcs | ah I see this one: #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/465020/ | 00:09 |
| patchbot | patch 465020 - congress - Remove floating_IPs from nova datasource driver | 00:09 |
| ramineni_ | I removed it from our code for now .. Do you see a better way | 00:09 |
| ramineni_ | ? | 00:10 |
| ramineni_ | ekcs: yes | 00:10 |
| ekcs | Hmmm. Do you have any reference to the deprecation and how they suggest people get that information? | 00:11 |
| ramineni_ | I added link to release notes | 00:11 |
| ramineni_ | In commit message | 00:11 |
| masahito | warning messages? | 00:12 |
| ekcs | great. also this reference: #link https://specs.openstack.org/openstack/nova-specs/specs/pike/approved/deprecate-multinic-proxy-api.html | 00:12 |
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| ramineni_ | masahito: do you mean to add warning message it's deprecated in update datasource s method | 00:14 |
| masahito | ramineni_: yes. | 00:14 |
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| masahito | usually, user can't read log messages, but admin could check and notify it to user. | 00:15 |
| ramineni_ | Ya , I can add that .. | 00:15 |
| masahito | I don't have nice ideas to notify the table is deprecated of user... | 00:16 |
| ramineni_ | But it's completely removed now rather than deprecated | 00:16 |
| ekcs | Not sure what the best approach is. 1) just remove it. 2) remove the data but keep a dummy column so that policies with positional args that do not use the column anyway are not broken. | 00:16 |
| masahito | IIRC, congress can keep other tables that refer to the floating_ip table. | 00:17 |
| ekcs | 3) keep the call in place, so it works with older nova/client and on newer nova log error message and continue. | 00:17 |
| ekcs | masahito, I don't totally understand what you mean. | 00:18 |
| masahito | for instance, | 00:19 |
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| masahito | admin has a rule like x(y):- nova:floating_ip(z) | 00:19 |
| masahito | then upgrade it without updating the rule. | 00:19 |
| masahito | oops, x(y) :- nova:floating_ip(y) | 00:20 |
| ramineni_ | Upgrade it to neutron floating ips? | 00:20 |
| masahito | the table 'x' has no row because of no row in nova:floating_ip(z) | 00:21 |
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| masahito | ramineni_: yes | 00:21 |
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| masahito | of course, the rule is needed to upgrade before upgrading congress. | 00:22 |
| ekcs | I see. so masahito you're saying we should keep the table just leave it empty. | 00:23 |
| masahito | if congress doesn't take care the situation, it's ok to completely remove the table. | 00:23 |
| ekcs | oh. so you're saying we should change the nova_driver to get the floating IPs from neutron. | 00:24 |
| masahito | ekcs: leave it empty or write a message to notify the user. | 00:24 |
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| ramineni_ | masahito: ok , got it | 00:25 |
| ekcs | haha ok I'm still not sure what the proposal is. | 00:25 |
| ekcs | 1. remove table. 2. leave empty table. 3. populate table with data from neutron. | 00:26 |
| masahito | ekcs: i don't think it's good to get info from neutron_driver.... | 00:26 |
| ekcs | is it one of those? | 00:26 |
| ekcs | I don't either. Just trying to understand which one you're saying we should do. | 00:26 |
| ramineni_ | We should add a message this table is deprecated .. neutron table should be used further for floating ip data? | 00:27 |
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| ramineni_ | And leave the table empty | 00:28 |
| ekcs | I prefer removing the table completely. It's better to break things and force admin to fix immediately, rather than potentially execute very unintended effects. | 00:29 |
| ekcs | say execute[action(x)] :- server(x, y), not nova:floating_ips(y) | 00:30 |
| ekcs | now all of a sudden many things are executed. | 00:30 |
| ekcs | when someone upgrades congress. | 00:30 |
| ekcs | what do you guys think? | 00:31 |
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| ramineni_ | ekcs: sounds good to me .. it will be clean | 00:31 |
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| masahito | I don't have any objection to remove the table. | 00:32 |
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| ekcs | cool so basically what ramineni_ already did in the patch. great! | 00:32 |
| ekcs | ok let's move on then. that took a while haha. | 00:33 |
| ekcs | #topic policy library | 00:33 |
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| ekcs | good discussion last time about policy library. and whether to use templates, etc. | 00:33 |
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| ekcs | any further thoughts on it to share here? | 00:33 |
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| ramineni_ | ekcs: I'm good with Tim's suggestion to proceed without template s for now. | 00:34 |
| ramineni_ | Later we can see if we can explore that templating mechanism | 00:35 |
| ekcs | ramineni_, got it! | 00:35 |
| ekcs | masahito, do you have anything to add about the policy library spec? | 00:36 |
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| masahito | sorry, I've not check well yet.... | 00:36 |
| masahito | I try to check it today, so if no comment from my side. please go ahead | 00:37 |
| ekcs | no problem. ok thanks! | 00:37 |
| ekcs | ok next topic then. | 00:38 |
| ekcs | #topic PTG | 00:38 |
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| ekcs | A few weeks ago we mentioned we need to start deciding whether to do meetings at the next PTG. | 00:38 |
| ekcs | expected: September 11-15; Location: Denver, CO | 00:39 |
| ekcs | We need to have a decision by this Sunday at the latest. | 00:39 |
| ekcs | So basically I just need to know from folks: 1) whether you think we should do sessions at the PTG, and 2) if we do, whether you expect to be able to make it. | 00:40 |
| ekcs | Please feel free to discuss it here and/or email me later (I sent an email to ML) | 00:40 |
| masahito | if we have, I'm ok to go there | 00:42 |
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| ramineni_ | ekcs: ok, I think I should be able to attend | 00:43 |
| ramineni_ | If we are planning to have | 00:43 |
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| masahito | but if most of us can't go, I don't think it's need to have meeting. | 00:43 |
| masahito | s/meeting/ meetings at PTG/ | 00:44 |
| ekcs | ok so masahito I'm understanding that as: if most people can go, it'd be good to do it, otherwise, better to not do it. is that accurate? | 00:44 |
| masahito | ekcs: yes | 00:45 |
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| ekcs | ok perfect. ramineni_ any more thoughts on whether you think we should have it or not? or email me later? | 00:46 |
| ramineni_ | Agree with masahito | 00:46 |
| ekcs | ok great. thanks! | 00:47 |
| ekcs | let's move on then. | 00:47 |
| ekcs | #topic patches | 00:47 |
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| ekcs | any other patches that'd be helpful to talk about here? | 00:47 |
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| ramineni_ | When is pike 2 | 00:47 |
| ramineni_ | ekcs: have a question on congress-dashboard release | 00:48 |
| ekcs | https://releases.openstack.org/pike/schedule.html#p-2 | 00:48 |
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| ekcs | week of june 5. | 00:49 |
| ekcs | wow that's right around the corner. | 00:49 |
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| ekcs | ramineni_, what's the question? | 00:49 |
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| ramineni_ | Ok .. how new projects are released .. should we do it for pike2 | 00:50 |
| ramineni_ | For congress- dashboard | 00:50 |
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| ekcs | hmm let me find out from the release team. | 00:50 |
| ramineni_ | Ok | 00:51 |
| ekcs | #action ekcs find out whether to release congress-dashboard pike-2 | 00:51 |
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| ekcs | on patches, here's a piece needed for policy library: #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/460348/ | 00:52 |
| patchbot | patch 460348 - congress - support transactional insert of multiple rules | 00:52 |
| ekcs | pls review when you have a chance ;) | 00:52 |
| ekcs | anything else to bring up on patches? | 00:52 |
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| ekcs | ok let's move on then! | 00:54 |
| ekcs | #topic open discussion | 00:54 |
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| ekcs | any last things? | 00:54 |
| ramineni_ | None from my side | 00:55 |
| ekcs | masahito, how was the summit for you? anything interesting? | 00:55 |
| masahito | I was busy with another project's stuffs.... | 00:56 |
| masahito | at the summit | 00:56 |
| ekcs | of course. I didn't mean necessarily congress specific =) | 00:56 |
| masahito | =) | 00:56 |
| ekcs | I wasn't able to make it to the rabbitMQ talk, but hope it went well. | 00:57 |
| ekcs | I mostly went to different forum sessions. | 00:57 |
| ekcs | It seems tempest plugin will likely be a Queens goal. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/369749/ | 00:57 |
| patchbot | patch 369749 - governance - Add Queens goal split out tempest plugins | 00:57 |
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| ekcs | Based on how the discussion went at the forum. | 00:58 |
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| ekcs | we also discussed deprecating postgreSQL, which would make many things easier for devs. But some ops really depend on postgres, so I think official deprecation is off the table at the moment. | 00:59 |
| ekcs | ok well time's up. | 01:00 |
| ekcs | bye and have a great week/weekend! | 01:00 |
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| ekcs | #endmeeting | 01:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu May 18 01:00:46 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 01:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2017/congressteammeeting.2017-05-18-00.00.html | 01:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2017/congressteammeeting.2017-05-18-00.00.txt | 01:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2017/congressteammeeting.2017-05-18-00.00.log.html | 01:00 |
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| masahito | bye | 01:01 |
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| ianychoi | jpich, hi :) | 07:49 |
| ianychoi | Seems to be busy - fine. Let's meet next IRC meeting | 07:50 |
| jpich | ianychoi: Hey :) Sorry I missed the meeting | 07:50 |
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| ianychoi | Fine. How are you going? | 07:52 |
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| gmann | #startmeeting qa | 09:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu May 18 09:00:31 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gmann. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 09:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 09:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: qa)" | 09:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'qa' | 09:00 |
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| andreaf | o/ | 09:00 |
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| zhufl | hello | 09:01 |
| tosky | hi | 09:01 |
| chandankumar | hello | 09:01 |
| gmann | who all here today? | 09:01 |
| martinkopec | hi | 09:01 |
| gmann | let's start | 09:01 |
| gmann | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/QATeamMeeting#Agenda_for_May_18th_2017_.280900_UTC.29 | 09:01 |
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| gmann | ^^ today agenda | 09:02 |
| gmann | #topic Previous Meeting Action review | 09:02 |
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| gmann | no open action as of now #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2017/qa.2017-05-04-09.00.html | 09:02 |
| gmann | #topic The Forum, Boston | 09:03 |
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| gmann | as you all know, we had summit last week. | 09:03 |
| gmann | 1 onbaording and forum sessions | 09:03 |
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| gmann | Onboarding: May 8(Mon), 16:40- #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/BOS-QA-onboarding | 09:03 |
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| gmann | Forum: May 11(Thurs), 9:00- #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/BOS-forum-qa-tools-plugins | 09:03 |
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| gmann | we tried to capture all discussion on etherpad , who did not make in summit | 09:04 |
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| gmann | andreaf: how you want to track discussion on forum etc ? | 09:05 |
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| gmann | i tried to add tags on each query/items | 09:05 |
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| andreaf | gmann: thanks I saw that - I plan to follow-up on the ML with a summary from the etherpad | 09:05 |
| andreaf | gmann: there are few if no actionable items though | 09:05 |
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| andreaf | gmann: apart from a kind reminder of announcing big changes in devstack / tempest beforehand in the ML | 09:06 |
| gmann | andreaf: yea few of them are long term things like coordinating with other community etc | 09:06 |
| gmann | andreaf: +1, yea that was one of the pain point | 09:07 |
| andreaf | gmann: exactly that's something good to keep in mind / in our vision in general | 09:07 |
| andreaf | gmann: so if any of us already work in adjacent communities and you see there an issue that could be solved with an openstack tool | 09:08 |
| andreaf | go ahead and share it to the other community | 09:08 |
| gmann | yea, that will be nice collaboration and we can get more feedback about doing it in better way if any | 09:09 |
| gmann | andreaf: thanks for plan to summarize on ML | 09:10 |
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| chandankumar | andreaf: gmann is it something related tempest plugin pike goal or other topic? | 09:10 |
| gmann | chandankumar: goal is being agreed on other TC sessions. | 09:10 |
| gmann | and had lot of voting also but not sure why it was updated :) | 09:11 |
| andreaf | gmann: heh yeah - let's wait to see the votes though :) | 09:11 |
| andreaf | gmann: because of a misunderstanding... | 09:11 |
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| gmann | hummm | 09:11 |
| andreaf | gmann: it was updated because of a misunderstanding | 09:11 |
| andreaf | it was proposed to do an update in a follow up patch | 09:11 |
| gmann | link could have been in follow up patch | 09:11 |
| gmann | yea | 09:11 |
| andreaf | instead a new patchset was proposed | 09:11 |
| andreaf | meh | 09:11 |
| andreaf | anyways | 09:11 |
| gmann | mtreinish has to get all vote again :) | 09:12 |
| gmann | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/369749/ | 09:12 |
| patchbot | patch 369749 - governance - Add Queens goal split out tempest plugins | 09:12 |
| andreaf | chandankumar: one of the hot topics at the summit as well as in the TC vision is adjacent communities | 09:12 |
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| andreaf | chandankumar: such as k8s for instance | 09:13 |
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| chandankumar | andreaf: yes, do we talked there how tempest would fit there as a testing framework | 09:13 |
| prateek | andreaf, and how do we plan to consume tempest in them ? | 09:14 |
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| andreaf | chandankumar: as an openstack community we want to work well with them share best practices, tools, do cross testing where it makes sense etc | 09:14 |
| prateek | sounds good | 09:14 |
| andreaf | prateek, chandankumar: it depends very much on the community | 09:14 |
| gmann | yea, and can get their best practices too | 09:15 |
| andreaf | we are not going to go and tell people "use this tool for testing" | 09:15 |
| andreaf | but we can share success stories / best practices | 09:15 |
| andreaf | and if someone has a problem that can be solved with tempest we should suggest it | 09:15 |
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| andreaf | or in future we could run integration tests in openstack gates which pull other components and drive them via Tempest for instance | 09:16 |
| gmann | opencontrail seems using tempest plugin it think | 09:16 |
| andreaf | gmann: https://github.com/Juniper/contrail-tempest? | 09:17 |
| gmann | :) | 09:17 |
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| chandankumar | gmann: andreaf https://github.com/Juniper/contrail-test | 09:17 |
| prateek | :) | 09:18 |
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| andreaf | the repo is rather empty :P | 09:18 |
| gmann | not sure this but few guys told they use it | 09:18 |
| chandankumar | https://github.com/Juniper/tempest | 09:18 |
| prateek | maybe they might not have open sourced it | 09:18 |
| chandankumar | https://github.com/Juniper/contrail-test/wiki/Running-Neutron-Tempest-Tests | 09:18 |
| gmann | even in upstream training, ll check with them if i can reach | 09:18 |
| gmann | anyways | 09:18 |
| gmann | anything else on summit queries/discussion ? | 09:19 |
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| chandankumar | nope from myside! | 09:19 |
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| gmann | #topic Gate Stability - status update | 09:19 |
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| gmann | #link https://goo.gl/LV4kel | 09:20 |
| andreaf | it looks pretty good :) | 09:20 |
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| gmann | i cannot see high peak recently | 09:20 |
| gmann | yea | 09:20 |
| gmann | #link http://status.openstack.org/elastic-recheck/gate.html | 09:20 |
| andreaf | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/465487/ The patch to run migration tests now merged | 09:21 |
| patchbot | patch 465487 - openstack-infra/project-config - Run migration tests along scenario ones (MERGED) | 09:21 |
| andreaf | nova migration tests that is | 09:21 |
| andreaf | so we now have a non-voting multi-node job which runs all scenario and nova migration tests with concurrency 2 | 09:21 |
| gmann | andreaf: but that need multinode | 09:21 |
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| gmann | ohk with scenario tests | 09:22 |
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| andreaf | if that is stable enough I will try to make it voting :) | 09:22 |
| andreaf | it also runs with no identity v2 | 09:22 |
| andreaf | and test accounts | 09:22 |
| gmann | you mean v3 + test account? | 09:22 |
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| andreaf | yes identity v2 disabled | 09:23 |
| andreaf | v3 is not the default anyways | 09:23 |
| gmann | andreaf: nova have separate job to run migration tests and i think not running new scenario job | 09:23 |
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| gmann | in case nova want to run scenario tests too? | 09:24 |
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| andreaf | gmann: maybe - mostly I wanted to have a job on Tempest side where we can see those kind of tests running | 09:24 |
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| gmann | yea, may be nova can add that as separate job, should not be harder | 09:25 |
| andreaf | gmann: because otherwise I fear we may break them - especially since they are used in nova gates | 09:25 |
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| gmann | yea, everytime we have to tests those on nova side or experimental | 09:26 |
| gmann | let's see how stable they are and good to make them voting | 09:26 |
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| andreaf | related to the gate, I also have another patch up to enable ssh by default in devstack (i.e. for master only) | 09:26 |
| andreaf | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/458678/ turning ssh on in all jobs | 09:26 |
| patchbot | patch 458678 - openstack-dev/devstack - Enable ssh validation by default | 09:26 |
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| gmann | andreaf: for all job. hummm | 09:27 |
| andreaf | I think it would be good to have ssh validation on by default | 09:27 |
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| gmann | then we do not need separate ssh job | 09:27 |
| andreaf | gmann: yes, indeed! | 09:28 |
| gmann | that is kind of stable right | 09:28 |
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| andreaf | gmann: yes, however it only runs against tempest | 09:28 |
| gmann | yea | 09:28 |
| andreaf | and I fear that changes on nova / neutron side might introduce regressions | 09:28 |
| andreaf | there are still one or two scenario tests in the integrated gate that do ssh validation | 09:29 |
| gmann | andreaf: any tempest test patch with Depends-ON ? | 09:29 |
| andreaf | so we are not fully exposed - but I think more tests with ssh checks would be good in the integrated gate | 09:29 |
| andreaf | gmann: heh good point I will make one | 09:29 |
| gmann | andreaf: thanks | 09:29 |
| gmann | andreaf: will be good to see the scenario job behavior | 09:31 |
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| gmann | let's move next | 09:32 |
| gmann | #topic Specs Reviews | 09:32 |
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| gmann | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/qa-specs,n,z | 09:32 |
| gmann | saw new spec #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/461140/ | 09:33 |
| patchbot | patch 461140 - qa-specs - RBAC testing multiple policies | 09:33 |
| andreaf | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/461140/ new spec | 09:34 |
| patchbot | patch 461140 - qa-specs - RBAC testing multiple policies | 09:34 |
| gmann | i need to check this. cannot find patrole team | 09:34 |
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| gmann | andreaf: yea | 09:34 |
| chandankumar | gmann: this spec https://review.openstack.org/#/c/461140/ is for patrole na? | 09:34 |
| patchbot | patch 461140 - qa-specs - RBAC testing multiple policies | 09:34 |
| gmann | chandankumar: yes | 09:34 |
| chandankumar | ack! | 09:35 |
| blancos | Is there a question regarding the spec? | 09:35 |
| chandankumar | not from myside. | 09:35 |
| gmann | blancos: hi | 09:35 |
| andreaf | blancos: I haven't read it yet, but I will :) | 09:35 |
| gmann | blancos: we have not reviewed yet, any thing you want to bring before review | 09:35 |
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| blancos | gmann No I don't think so | 09:35 |
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| blancos | gmann Besides that spec :) | 09:36 |
| * gmann blancos seems changed irc name was searching with sblancos :) | 09:36 | |
| andreaf | blancos: but a NIT - I think we should have a patrole folder in there | 09:36 |
| gmann | blancos: ok | 09:36 |
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| gmann | andreaf: good catch | 09:36 |
| blancos | andreaf In the qa-specs repo? | 09:36 |
| andreaf | yes | 09:37 |
| andreaf | it's not really important, I though it would be nice to have | 09:37 |
| gmann | blancos: yea like devstack has one- https://github.com/openstack/qa-specs/tree/master/specs | 09:37 |
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| blancos | andreaf gmann Okay, will do. And I agree, it keeps everything much neater | 09:38 |
| chandankumar | that would be better, otherwise people will get confused whether the spec is for temepst or othere | 09:38 |
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| gmann | andreaf: blancos: ok, we can do in same patch only. right | 09:38 |
| gmann | chandankumar: yea | 09:38 |
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| gmann | #action blancos to propose new patrole spec with separate folder in qa-specs | 09:39 |
| gmann | anything else on spec | 09:39 |
| gmann | 20 min left | 09:39 |
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| gmann | #topic Tempest | 09:40 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Tempest (Meeting topic: qa)" | 09:40 | |
| gmann | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/tempest+status:open | 09:40 |
| gmann | andreaf: thanks - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/465897/ | 09:41 |
| patchbot | patch 465897 - tempest - DNM Throughaway patch to test ssh validation | 09:41 |
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| gmann | i have 1 thing on tempest about cinder v3 tests and clients | 09:41 |
| gmann | i saw some of the patches proposing the same client for v3 tests | 09:41 |
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| gmann | but we do not want to have duplicate clients | 09:42 |
| gmann | i think we discussed it before also | 09:42 |
| andreaf | right we need to connect the folks doing the work | 09:42 |
| gmann | so what i want to know/track is how far are we from that merge | 09:43 |
| andreaf | gmann: perhaps we could have an open etherpad for things like service clients or schemas | 09:43 |
| gmann | andreaf: oomichi was working on that. but not sure the progress | 09:43 |
| gmann | andreaf: yea, i have do for schema after simple spec. planed for next month | 09:43 |
| andreaf | gmann: so that people sign up their name there and we can help avoiding conflict | 09:44 |
| andreaf | that only works if it is advertised properly though | 09:44 |
| gmann | oomichi: any etherpad you have for cinder client merge? where people can help | 09:44 |
| andreaf | gmann: that would help thank you | 09:44 |
| gmann | yea | 09:44 |
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| gmann | Bug Triage: | 09:45 |
| gmann | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/pike-qa-bug-triage | 09:45 |
| gmann | andreaf: your turn this week | 09:45 |
| andreaf | gmann: it was me this week | 09:45 |
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| andreaf | I've not done much tbh - I've not seen much coming in either, I will try to smash some bugs today and tomorrow | 09:45 |
| andreaf | so nothing else to report | 09:46 |
| gmann | andreaf: thanks | 09:46 |
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| gmann | next week is mine turn. | 09:46 |
| gmann | #topic Patrole | 09:46 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Patrole (Meeting topic: qa)" | 09:46 | |
| gmann | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/patrole | 09:47 |
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| gmann | seems like blancos is offline | 09:48 |
| gmann | so there is first release going on for patrole | 09:48 |
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| gmann | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/463578/ | 09:48 |
| patchbot | patch 463578 - releases - Release Patrole 0.1.0 | 09:48 |
| gmann | and before that release notes were needed #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/464072/ | 09:49 |
| patchbot | patch 464072 - patrole - Prepare release notes for release 0.1.0 | 09:49 |
| gmann | once patrole patch is merged, use that commit as release one | 09:49 |
| andreaf | gmann: ah good, I will review those two | 09:49 |
| gmann | andreaf: nice, that will help them. thanks | 09:49 |
| gmann | anything else on patrole ? | 09:50 |
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| gmann | #topic DevStack | 09:51 |
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| andreaf | gmann: I think the 'not fully stable' was meant for the library part of patrole - that is not there yet : | 09:51 |
| andreaf | :) | 09:51 |
| andreaf | so as a message that there is no stable API yet | 09:51 |
| andreaf | i.e. there is no guarantee of backward compatibility on patrole common classes yet | 09:52 |
| andreaf | I think it would be good to clarify that in the release notes | 09:52 |
| gmann | humm, but there is no lib things in patrole yet | 09:52 |
| gmann | i mean the framework they have is stable. as they asked to add that in tempest lib initially | 09:53 |
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| gmann | felipe reply was "Not "fully stable" means that we're not done enhancing it" | 09:53 |
| gmann | anyways let's review on patch, 5 min left | 09:54 |
| andreaf | gmann: ok | 09:54 |
| andreaf | can we jump to the last topic? | 09:54 |
| gmann | on devstack, ssh things already discussed | 09:54 |
| gmann | i will review that once tempest patch results | 09:55 |
| gmann | andreaf: anything else on devstack ? | 09:55 |
| andreaf | nope - I would like to skip the the last two bullets in the agenda if that's ok | 09:55 |
| gmann | doc and open one ? | 09:56 |
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| andreaf | Metting changes proposal | 09:56 |
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| gmann | ok | 09:56 |
| andreaf | I wanted to propose to move this meeting to either 8:00 or 8:30 UTC | 09:56 |
| gmann | let's jump to Open | 09:56 |
| gmann | andreaf: yea go ahead | 09:57 |
| gmann | m +1 on 8 or 8.30 | 09:57 |
| andreaf | which will make it easier for contributors in China TZ to join | 09:57 |
| gmann | andreaf: you want voting | 09:57 |
| andreaf | I will send an email to the LM | 09:57 |
| andreaf | ML | 09:57 |
| chandankumar | andreaf: for us also this time suits for meeting | 09:58 |
| andreaf | but I wanted to know if there is strong opposition | 09:58 |
| andreaf | chandankumar: cool | 09:58 |
| gmann | andreaf: cool, thatnks | 09:58 |
| gmann | zhufl: ? | 09:58 |
| gmann | #action andreaf to propose new meeting time on ML | 09:58 |
| andreaf | also you have seen on the ML the mail proposing zhufl for core | 09:58 |
| gmann | yup. | 09:59 |
| andreaf | afazekas, sdague and jordanP have not voted yet so I will keep the pool open a bit longer | 09:59 |
| gmann | ok | 09:59 |
| gmann | 1 min left anything else anyone want to discuss | 09:59 |
| chandankumar | and tempest-plugin-sanity gate again failed | 10:00 |
| andreaf | I look forward to having a new core member soon :) | 10:00 |
| gmann | let's move to qa channel | 10:00 |
| gmann | thanks all | 10:00 |
| gmann | #endmeeting | 10:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 10:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu May 18 10:00:24 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 10:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2017/qa.2017-05-18-09.00.html | 10:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2017/qa.2017-05-18-09.00.txt | 10:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2017/qa.2017-05-18-09.00.log.html | 10:00 |
| chandankumar | gmann: Thanks for chairing the meeting. | 10:00 |
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| mriedem | #startmeeting nova | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu May 18 14:00:05 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mriedem. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova' | 14:00 |
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| efried | o/ | 14:00 |
| takashin | o/ | 14:00 |
| lyarwood | o/ | 14:00 |
| mlakat | o/ | 14:00 |
| dgonzalez | o/ | 14:00 |
| dansmith | o/ | 14:00 |
| mdbooth | o/ | 14:00 |
| gibi | o/ | 14:00 |
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| mriedem | alright then | 14:01 |
| mriedem | #link agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Nova#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 14:01 |
| mriedem | #topic release news | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "release news (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:01 | |
| bauzas | \o | 14:01 |
| mriedem | #link Pike release schedule: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/Pike_Release_Schedule | 14:01 |
| mriedem | #info Next upcoming milestone: Jun 8: p-2 milestone (3 weeks) | 14:02 |
| * johnthetubaguy sneaks in late | 14:02 | |
| mriedem | #info Blueprints: 70 targeted, 66 approved, 12 completed, 6 not started | 14:02 |
| mriedem | anything not started by p-3 we'll likely defer | 14:02 |
| mriedem | started or blocked i should say | 14:02 |
| mriedem | as there are some blueprints that are blocked on needing changes / owners in other projects, like ironic | 14:03 |
| mriedem | questions about the release? | 14:03 |
| mriedem | #topic bugs | 14:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "bugs (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:03 | |
| mriedem | no critical bugs | 14:03 |
| mriedem | #help Need help with bug triage; there are 94 new untriaged bugs as of today (May 18) | 14:04 |
| mriedem | #link check queue gate status http://status.openstack.org/elastic-recheck/index.html | 14:04 |
| mriedem | things are ok'ish | 14:04 |
| mriedem | the gate-grenade-dsvm-neutron-multinode-live-migration-nv job on master is 100% fail | 14:04 |
| mriedem | i think because the ocata side is not running systemd and the new side is trying to stop things the systemd way, and those aren't running so it fails | 14:05 |
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| mriedem | sdague: it was likely due to https://review.openstack.org/#/c/465766/ | 14:05 |
| patchbot | patch 465766 - nova (stable/ocata) - Use systemctl to restart services | 14:05 |
| mriedem | which didn't take grenade into account | 14:05 |
| mriedem | oops i mean https://review.openstack.org/#/c/461803/ | 14:06 |
| patchbot | patch 461803 - nova - Use systemctl to restart services (MERGED) | 14:06 |
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| mriedem | i don't have any news for 3rd party ci | 14:06 |
| mriedem | #topic reminders | 14:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "reminders (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:06 | |
| mriedem | #link Pike Review Priorities etherpad: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/pike-nova-priorities-tracking | 14:06 |
| johnthetubaguy | oh, right, we don't run nova grenade on the devstack gate I guess? | 14:06 |
| mriedem | does not compute | 14:07 |
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| mriedem | the grenade live migration job is non-voting | 14:07 |
| mriedem | so it doesn't run in the gate queue | 14:07 |
| mriedem | and is restricted to i think nova, and maybe tempest experimental, not sure | 14:07 |
| sdague | mriedem: it was, mostly because I didn't realize the script was used that way | 14:07 |
| mriedem | sdague: i forgot about it too | 14:08 |
| mriedem | one more reminder, | 14:08 |
| mriedem | If you led sessions at the Forum, it would be good to provide summaries in the mailing list. | 14:08 |
| mriedem | #topic stable branch status | 14:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "stable branch status (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:08 | |
| mriedem | stable/ocata: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:stable/ocata,n,z | 14:08 |
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| mriedem | stable/newton: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:stable/newton,n,z | 14:09 |
| mriedem | #link We have a few bugs which were regressions in Newton that we need to get fixed on master and backported: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/465042/ https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1658070 https://review.openstack.org/#/c/464088/ | 14:09 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1658070 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "Failed SR_IOV evacuation with host" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Eli Qiao (taget-9) | 14:09 |
| patchbot | patch 465042 - nova - Cache database and message queue connection objects | 14:09 |
| patchbot | patch 464088 - nova - Handle special characters in database connection U... | 14:09 |
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| lyarwood | ^ core reviews on stable/ocata would be helpful if anyone has time | 14:09 |
| mriedem | we're starting to see newton bugs rolling in, | 14:09 |
| mriedem | because people are just upgrading to newton now | 14:09 |
| mriedem | #topic subteam highlights | 14:10 |
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| mriedem | Cells v2 (dansmith) | 14:10 |
| dansmith | so, | 14:10 |
| dansmith | we talked about the outstanding patch sets we have up. things like the quotas set | 14:11 |
| dansmith | and we covered some recent bugs that cropped up, which I think we mostly have fixes for | 14:11 |
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| dansmith | including one where we, uh, press the limits of the network stack by trying to, uh, use all the connections | 14:11 |
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| dansmith | and I said I would send a summary of the cellsv2 session | 14:12 |
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| dansmith | which I totally might do | 14:12 |
| dansmith | I think that's it. maybe/ | 14:12 |
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| mriedem | and i'm back | 14:12 |
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| dansmith | mriedem: I'm done. I said amazing things. they were yuuge. | 14:12 |
| mriedem | ok so we need https://review.openstack.org/#/c/465042/ | 14:12 |
| patchbot | patch 465042 - nova - Cache database and message queue connection objects | 14:12 |
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| mriedem | and start working on backports | 14:12 |
| dansmith | yup | 14:13 |
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| mriedem | bauzas: scheduler | 14:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | oh, whoops, I could see that bug being an issue | 14:13 |
| bauzas | no huge discussion for that last meeting, apart knowing which specs to review | 14:13 |
| bauzas | I explained to edleafe that I was working on my series for the scheduler claims | 14:14 |
| bauzas | and we did discussed on how Jay is very good for presentations :p | 14:14 |
| bauzas | that's it, small one. | 14:14 |
| mriedem | ok, i don't know if there was an api meeting yesterday | 14:15 |
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| mriedem | since alex_xu is at the bug smash | 14:15 |
| mriedem | johnthetubaguy: did you attend the api meeting? | 14:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | ah, I did | 14:15 |
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| johnthetubaguy | we had a nice chat about policy docs thats up for review | 14:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | and the api-extension tidy up stuff | 14:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | the keystone policy meeting is starting to discuss how to make wider progress on the per-project admin thingy | 14:16 |
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| johnthetubaguy | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/policy-docs+status:open+project:+openstack/nova | 14:16 |
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| johnthetubaguy | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:master+topic:bp/api-no-more-extensions-pike | 14:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | thats all folks | 14:16 |
| mriedem | ok thanks | 14:16 |
| mriedem | gibi: notifications | 14:17 |
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| gibi | focus is on searchlight notification additions: | 14:17 |
| gibi | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/additional-notification-fields-for-searchlight+status:open | 14:17 |
| gibi | and on 3 selected notification transformation patches: | 14:17 |
| gibi | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/396225/ and the series starting at #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/396210 | 14:17 |
| patchbot | patch 396225 - nova - Transform instance.trigger_crash_dump notification | 14:17 |
| patchbot | patch 396210 - nova - Transform aggregate.add_host notification | 14:17 |
| gibi | the next subteam meeting will be held on 6th of June as I will be on vacation for the next two weeks | 14:17 |
| gibi | that is all | 14:17 |
| mriedem | k | 14:18 |
| mriedem | efried: powervm | 14:18 |
| efried | No change since last time. | 14:18 |
| efried | We're really at a point where we just need the reviews. | 14:18 |
| efried | So removing powervm from "subteams" section. | 14:18 |
| mriedem | ok | 14:18 |
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| mriedem | the cinder new volume attach flow stuff is in the same boat | 14:19 |
| mriedem | there is a series starting at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/456896/ with +2s | 14:19 |
| patchbot | patch 456896 - nova - Add Cinder v3 detach call to _terminate_volume_con... | 14:19 |
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| mriedem | john and i have been helping on those but since i'm pushing some of the changes we need a 3rd core | 14:19 |
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| mriedem | that's it for subteam stuff | 14:19 |
| mriedem | #topic stuck reviews | 14:19 |
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| mriedem | nothing in the agenda | 14:20 |
| mriedem | anyone have anything they want to bring up here? | 14:20 |
| mriedem | #topic open discussion | 14:20 |
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| mriedem | there is one item | 14:20 |
| mlakat | Yep. | 14:20 |
| mriedem | (mlakat) We'd like to get some advice on: What is the standard OpenStack way of running something (in this case an os.path.getsize()) with a timeout? This came up as part of: https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1691131 Basically what happened is that a broken NFS connection might block os.path.getsize(path) forever. Approaches tried: | 14:20 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1691131 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "IO stuck causes nova compute agent outage" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Daniel Gonzalez Nothnagel (dgonzalez) | 14:20 |
| mriedem | 1) putting it on a separate green thread: Still blocks the main green thread forever | 14:20 |
| mriedem | 2) putting it on a separate Thread: We have no way of killing threads nicely in python | 14:20 |
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| mriedem | 3) use multiprocess module: seems to work, but I am a bit worried about the overhead of it | 14:21 |
| mriedem | * Someone must have solved this already in OpenStack | 14:21 |
| mdbooth | mlakat: I commented in the review: I think you need to address that problem at a different level. | 14:21 |
| johnthetubaguy | don't we dispatch in the libvirt driver already? | 14:21 |
| mdbooth | Given that literally everything may be on NFS, if we've got fundamental issues like that, we can't use that technique everywhere. | 14:21 |
| mriedem | right, i was going to say, | 14:21 |
| mriedem | this seems like a giant game of whack a mole | 14:22 |
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| dgonzalez | mdbooth: That's why we put the issue on the agenda, it would be nice to get feedback on the issue and maybe some ideas how this can be solved the proper way | 14:22 |
| johnthetubaguy | mdbooth: that came up in channel yesterday, a related thingy | 14:22 |
| mkoderer | for me it's a design issue - the heartbeat should never stop although there is an hanging fs | 14:22 |
| johnthetubaguy | but if the thread is hanging, nothing will happen, so the heartbeat dieing is actually useful? | 14:22 |
| mdbooth | FWIW, NFS in Linux has been a pita as long as I've been using it | 14:22 |
| mriedem | i'm not sure what 'heartbeat' we're talking about | 14:23 |
| mdbooth | If the server goes away, you end up with a process stuck in uninterriptible sleep | 14:23 |
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| mdbooth | And that's, well, uninterruptible | 14:23 |
| mriedem | the update_available_resource periodic task in the compute? | 14:23 |
| mkoderer | the thing was we had an overload in the cloud and weren't able to stop any vm in this case | 14:23 |
| lyarwood | D state ftw | 14:23 |
| johnthetubaguy | heatbeat = service up check (in DB)? | 14:23 |
| mdbooth | lyarwood: Indeed | 14:23 |
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| mdbooth | I think this is best solved with monitoring tools | 14:23 |
| mlakat | So how shall we handle/recover situations where we have an I/O blocked NFS share? | 14:24 |
| mdbooth | We should blow the mount out of the water (is that possible now, never used to be) if it hangs | 14:24 |
| mkoderer | mdbooth: we have it in the monitoring | 14:24 |
| dgonzalez | mriedem: yes its the update_available_resource task | 14:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | did os-privsep make this worse by accident, out of interest? | 14:24 |
| mkoderer | but we aren't able to stop vm producing the overload | 14:24 |
| mriedem | johnthetubaguy: i don't think it has anything to do with that | 14:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | oh, this is a regular python call, just on an NFS filesystem | 14:24 |
| mriedem | yes | 14:24 |
| mlakat | yes, a stat call | 14:24 |
| mlakat | in the end | 14:24 |
| mdbooth | uninteruptible sleep is a Linux kernel process state | 14:24 |
| mlakat | which blocks. | 14:24 |
| mdbooth | This isn't a python issue | 14:25 |
| dgonzalez | the moment os.path.getsize on the hanging nfs, the task gets stuck | 14:25 |
| * johnthetubaguy nodes at mlakat in a yes, and a hello nice to see you sense | 14:25 | |
| johnthetubaguy | heh nods | 14:25 |
| * mlakat nods back :-) | 14:25 | |
| johnthetubaguy | mdbooth: agreed | 14:25 |
| mkoderer | it's a deployment issue | 14:26 |
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| lyarwood | so if this stat was threaded and timed out what then? the instances are still marked as running while they are actually in D-state right? | 14:26 |
| mriedem | mkoderer: when you say you can't stop any vm in the cloud, you mean just any vm on this compute host right? | 14:26 |
| johnthetubaguy | I could have swarn we fixed this someone already, for something... like in disk cache or something | 14:26 |
| mriedem | or does this lock every vm on every compute running on the same nfs share? | 14:26 |
| mkoderer | mriedem: the NFS is mounted on several compute hosts | 14:26 |
| mkoderer | so basically we lost control of a big portion of the cloud | 14:27 |
| mriedem | i think i would reconsider using NFS | 14:27 |
| mdbooth | mriedem: +1 | 14:27 |
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| mkoderer | so the message is: don't use NFS? | 14:27 |
| mkoderer | and don't do any live migration? | 14:27 |
| mkoderer | really? | 14:27 |
| johnthetubaguy | use iSCSI or something like that instead, or ceph | 14:27 |
| mriedem | we can't thread out every os path python call in the libvirt driver | 14:27 |
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| mriedem | just because NFS can lock up your entire cloud | 14:28 |
| mdbooth | mriedem: It's not just os.path | 14:28 |
| mriedem | the message is, use monitoring tools to detect the issue, and then blow up the stuck mount | 14:28 |
| mdbooth | It's presumably literally anything which touches the filesystem | 14:28 |
| mdbooth | And they're just hitting it here first | 14:28 |
| mriedem | ok | 14:29 |
| johnthetubaguy | just to get my head straight, the problem is the system is broken, NFS has locked up, but we look bad because we also lock up and the computes appear dead? | 14:29 |
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| mdbooth | johnthetubaguy: I'd say so | 14:29 |
| mkoderer | yeah | 14:29 |
| dgonzalez | yes | 14:29 |
| mlakat | johnthetubaguy, yes, and we have no way of stopping instances causing the high workload | 14:29 |
| johnthetubaguy | sounds like we are doing the correct thing | 14:30 |
| mriedem | mlakat: you can't kill them via virsh? | 14:30 |
| mkoderer | no I would like a design were deletion is also possible in case of an overload | 14:30 |
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| johnthetubaguy | its a good question, does virsh still work for the delete? | 14:30 |
| mlakat | mriedem, we still look at what virsh's reaction in this situation, we are in the process of testing it. | 14:31 |
| dgonzalez | I am currently testing this, and it seems to be hanging too... | 14:31 |
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| mlakat | Assume virsh is not cooperating, how would you then "kill" the busy domain? | 14:31 |
| mkoderer | ok that's tricky | 14:31 |
| johnthetubaguy | we only really talk vai libvirt, so game over I think | 14:32 |
| mlakat | mriedem, you said to blow the mountpoint? | 14:32 |
| bswartz | does qemu have an builtin userspace NFS client? | 14:32 |
| johnthetubaguy | this NFS isn't mounted by Nova I guess? | 14:32 |
| mdbooth | johnthetubaguy: It would have been, actually | 14:32 |
| johnthetubaguy | like you can't do a force cinder detatch at this point? | 14:32 |
| mdbooth | It's a volume | 14:32 |
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| johnthetubaguy | ah, I was assuming this was the whole instances dir | 14:32 |
| mdbooth | Although it could equally be shared instance dir | 14:32 |
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| mdbooth | However, force unmount of nfs is apparently *still* not possible robustly in Linux | 14:33 |
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| johnthetubaguy | dang | 14:33 |
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| dgonzalez | for us its currently only volumes that are affected. But all VMs that have a volume from the affected NFS can't be deleted | 14:33 |
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| bswartz | if things getting stuck on NFS is a big problem then it's worth considering NFS soft mounts instead of hard mounts, but I worry that soft mounts create other problems which might be worse | 14:34 |
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| mdbooth | Yep, soft mounts prevent hangs | 14:35 |
| mdbooth | However, they cause IO errors during transient load spikes | 14:35 |
| mdbooth | So... | 14:35 |
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| bswartz | yeah and that's probably and even worse situation | 14:35 |
| mdbooth | NFS is what it is | 14:35 |
| mkoderer | yep | 14:35 |
| mkoderer | ok seems it's not solvable in nova then.. :( | 14:36 |
| mriedem | so i'm not sure we're going to come to any conclusion here - i don't really think this is nova's problem to solve, honestly | 14:36 |
| mdbooth | I think Nova is the wrong place to address it, unfortunately | 14:36 |
| dgonzalez | yeah I agree with you... | 14:36 |
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| mriedem | even if you thread things out and log an error on timeout, you have to address and resolve the underlying issue at some point outside of nova most likely | 14:37 |
| mriedem | by cleaning up the locked mount i guess | 14:37 |
| mlakat | sounds like a monitoring agent, or something like that? | 14:37 |
| mdbooth | mriedem: Which can sometimes only be achieved with a reboot | 14:37 |
| mriedem | threading out anything that touches the filesystem is going to be a mess, unless you're talking about monkey patching the os module or something | 14:37 |
| johnthetubaguy | sounds like some stat call to each NFS mount in some monitoring loop would catch this OK? | 14:38 |
| mlakat | mriedem, threads are not an option | 14:38 |
| mlakat | johnthetubaguy, the action is still not clear in that case. | 14:38 |
| mriedem | anyway, i'm -1 to what's proposed in the change, and i think we've spent enough time on it in this meeting | 14:39 |
| mriedem | we can move to -nova if you want to discuss further | 14:39 |
| mriedem | but let's end this meeting | 14:39 |
| mlakat | Thank you for your time. | 14:39 |
| mriedem | np | 14:39 |
| johnthetubaguy | mlakat: true | 14:39 |
| mkoderer | thx | 14:39 |
| mriedem | #endmeeting | 14:39 |
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| mdbooth | johnthetubaguy: The stat call itself would probably hit the same problem | 14:39 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu May 18 14:39:30 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:39 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2017/nova.2017-05-18-14.00.html | 14:39 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2017/nova.2017-05-18-14.00.txt | 14:39 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2017/nova.2017-05-18-14.00.log.html | 14:39 |
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| asettle | #startmeeting docteam | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu May 18 16:00:25 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is asettle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
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| ianychoi | o/ | 16:00 |
| asettle | Hey ianychoi :) | 16:00 |
| rluethi | hey | 16:00 |
| ianychoi | asettle, rluethi: hello! | 16:00 |
| asettle | rluethi: hooray! Glad you made it :) | 16:01 |
| rluethi | so am I :) | 16:01 |
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| asettle | Okay AJaeger :) | 16:02 |
| ianychoi | Haha | 16:02 |
| rluethi | welcome all lurkers! | 16:02 |
| asettle | We'll wait until 5 past for quorum :) | 16:02 |
| AJaeger | ;) | 16:02 |
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| asettle | Okay we're at 5 past | 16:05 |
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| asettle | Should we continue? | 16:05 |
| asettle | The agenda is pretty short anyway :) | 16:05 |
| annegentle | go for it! | 16:05 |
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| ianychoi | +1 Let's go | 16:05 |
| asettle | Okay. | 16:06 |
| asettle | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/DocTeamMeeting#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 16:06 |
| asettle | #topic Action items from the last meeting | 16:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Action items from the last meeting (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 16:06 | |
| asettle | I don't believe we had any again \o/ | 16:06 |
| asettle | So, nice! | 16:06 |
| asettle | #topic Summit recap | 16:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Summit recap (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 16:06 | |
| asettle | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/docs-summit | 16:07 |
| asettle | This is our etherpad from the summit - linked to all other etherpads! | 16:07 |
| asettle | Universe of pad | 16:07 |
| asettle | There was a lot going on at the summit, a full on week, as always. | 16:07 |
| asettle | I'm currently writing up my summit recap email which has some more indepth information | 16:07 |
| asettle | But we'll be looking at some fairly radical changes with how the doc team is structured. | 16:07 |
| asettle | As it stands, the group has been going up and up and up, which is great. | 16:07 |
| asettle | But now we're at a stage where we are unable to maintain the content that we have | 16:08 |
| * AJaeger thanks asettle for driving all these discussions! | 16:08 | |
| asettle | dhellmann has been working with me to come up with new action items for the future. | 16:08 |
| asettle | You can view them here | 16:08 |
| asettle | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/doc-planning | 16:08 |
| asettle | thanks AJaeger :) I appreciate your support | 16:08 |
| * dhellmann checks his calendar | 16:09 | |
| rluethi | wow, that's a lot of action items. | 16:09 |
| asettle | One of the biggest concerns at the moment (and always has been, who am I kidding) is the Installation Guide | 16:09 |
| asettle | rluethi: sure is :( we have a *lot* of stuff | 16:09 |
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| asettle | dhellmann: meeting time change ;) | 16:09 |
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| asettle | If anyone has any questions about that, please ping me | 16:09 |
| asettle | I'm happy to walk it through with you all | 16:09 |
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| dhellmann | asettle : ah, I guess I missed the notice of that. I'll talk to you later about how to keep up to date on these things :-) | 16:10 |
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| rluethi | I am glad to see that we haven't got any items :). | 16:10 |
| asettle | dhellmann: meeting minutes? | 16:10 |
| asettle | rluethi: none so far | 16:10 |
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| asettle | But, It would be good to talk about that | 16:11 |
| asettle | And figure out where you want to take the training-labs and guides | 16:11 |
| dhellmann | asettle : well, I thought I'd try to attend until this transition is completed | 16:11 |
| * AJaeger adds some action items for rluethi ;) | 16:11 | |
| rluethi | asettle: was that with a threatening voice? | 16:11 |
| asettle | rluethi: hahahhaa not at all | 16:11 |
| asettle | I'll phrase with more smileys next time - I'm sorry. I do genuinely think we should chat about what you are thinking for the future :) | 16:11 |
| ianychoi | asettle, I want to follow the changes regarding some changes on translation (I18n) activities | 16:12 |
| rluethi | no, ajaeger, stay good. | 16:12 |
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| * AJaeger will | 16:12 | |
| asettle | ianychoi: of course. Definitely a prioritiy | 16:12 |
| asettle | priority* | 16:12 |
| annegentle | thanks dhellmann | 16:12 |
| rluethi | asettle: sure, no problem. (maybe _I_ should have used more smileys) | 16:12 |
| asettle | Hahhaha perfect :) we'll sync up sometime soon | 16:13 |
| annegentle | more smileys all around! | 16:13 |
| asettle | #action asettle to chat to rluethi about training-labs and guides future | 16:13 |
| asettle | #action asettle and ianychoi to discuss planning changes with translation activities | 16:13 |
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| ianychoi | asettle, please try to reach out matjazp for training-guides :) If no, then I would like to propose it as an agenda for next IRC meeting (May 30). | 16:14 |
| asettle | ianychoi: good point! Please update the agenda for next week :) | 16:14 |
| ianychoi | :) | 16:15 |
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| asettle | Okay, sorry, distracted all over hte hsop | 16:16 |
| asettle | the shop* | 16:16 |
| annegentle | hop, shop, all good :) | 16:16 |
| * AJaeger will enjoy the sunshine with his bike now - bbl | 16:16 | |
| annegentle | cya! | 16:16 |
| asettle | I will be sending out an email to the dev ML regarding my concerns with the installation guide | 16:16 |
| asettle | cya AJaeger ! | 16:16 |
| ianychoi | cya AJaeger :) | 16:16 |
| asettle | Please everyone keep your eyes out for that | 16:16 |
| asettle | I would love your support and thoughts | 16:16 |
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| annegentle | asettle still need more context on discussions, need to read read read | 16:17 |
| asettle | annegentle: yep. there's more coming out too. After this meeting I will be sending out my summary email :0 | 16:18 |
| asettle | :) * | 16:18 |
| asettle | Hopefully that'll add some more context, and we can go further | 16:18 |
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| asettle | I'm always happy to answer questions | 16:18 |
| annegentle | ok, good | 16:18 |
| asettle | It is hard to communicate everything when it all happens so fast! But hopefully I'll clarify evrything | 16:18 |
| ianychoi | annegentle, aha that's how to increase English - good writing is based on more more reading | 16:18 |
| annegentle | so true! | 16:19 |
| ianychoi | :) | 16:19 |
| asettle | Hahaha | 16:19 |
| asettle | Well, annegentle you're going to love this reading :p | 16:19 |
| asettle | Anyway. MOving along :) | 16:19 |
| asettle | #topic Specialty team reports | 16:19 |
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| asettle | annegentle: API :) | 16:20 |
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| annegentle | asettle on it! | 16:20 |
| annegentle | #info Looking for better ways to indicate "nesting" on request parameters | 16:20 |
| annegentle | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/464255/ | 16:21 |
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| asettle | Looking :) | 16:21 |
| annegentle | And then also saw that bug report on the developer landing page that the CLI section wraps badly, thanks dhellmann for reporting | 16:21 |
| annegentle | otherwise, mostly looking for info on what came out of the Forum | 16:22 |
| annegentle | that's all I have | 16:22 |
| asettle | Awesome :) thanks annegentle | 16:22 |
| asettle | Do you have any more reports on the theme, btw? | 16:22 |
| asettle | Lots of people are really interested in it | 16:22 |
| annegentle | asettle interested in it how? I had hoped to get help with it at Write the Docs, I can't quite figure out how to bring in inherited pieces. | 16:23 |
| annegentle | asettle any input on what they can't live without? | 16:23 |
| asettle | annegentle: none so far. Mostly that people are just mega excited for consistency. | 16:24 |
| annegentle | and it's what we had identified before, that the openstackdocstheme doesn't "inhereit" | 16:24 |
| asettle | That's a sentence I never htought I'd say | 16:24 |
| annegentle | asettle oh that's encouraging, yay | 16:24 |
| asettle | Very encouraging :D | 16:24 |
| annegentle | I do need to make a 1.9.0 release for the header breakage (404s in links in drop-down menus) | 16:25 |
| annegentle | #info Working on a 1.9.0 release of openstackdocstheme for bug fixing | 16:25 |
| dhellmann | annegentle : it looks like sphinx 1.6.1 breaks the oslosphinx theme inheritance, so keep an eye out for that in the work you're doing. | 16:25 |
| annegentle | dhellmann ok, thanks | 16:25 |
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| dhellmann | I just hit that yesterday, and we've been blocking 1.6.1 until we have a fix | 16:25 |
| dhellmann | that release broke builds all over the internet :- | 16:26 |
| annegentle | asettle any input from infra team about their deliverables specifically or shall I reach out individually? | 16:26 |
| dhellmann | :-/ | 16:26 |
| annegentle | dhellmann boo | 16:26 |
| asettle | annegentle: I've had no specifics, I"m sorry :( | 16:26 |
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| annegentle | asettle no worries, I'll reach out | 16:26 |
| asettle | I'll reach out and try and get some more info for you annegentle | 16:26 |
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| asettle | At least, people that are putting in requests, I'll ask what they want ;) | 16:26 |
| annegentle | asettle I'm sure consistency is a huge win :) | 16:27 |
| asettle | Hhahaha well, it was pretty exciting considering all I'd ever herad before was 'grumble grumble i hate change' | 16:27 |
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| annegentle | asettle ha! | 16:27 |
| asettle | Anyway! | 16:28 |
| annegentle | consolidate for the win | 16:28 |
| asettle | Hahhaha yes | 16:28 |
| asettle | Okay, I don't see Matjaz? | 16:28 |
| asettle | Pranav? | 16:28 |
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| ianychoi | It seems that matjazp is offline | 16:29 |
| asettle | Okay :) | 16:29 |
| asettle | Well, rluethi up to you then for Training labs | 16:29 |
| asettle | Anything happy-happening? | 16:29 |
| rluethi | We have started development work for Pike. Small bug fixes, refactoring, ramping up for a few new features that we hope to introduce during this cycle. | 16:29 |
| asettle | Oh neato :) | 16:30 |
| rluethi | This will give you a rough idea: #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/training-labs | 16:30 |
| ianychoi | Cool | 16:30 |
| asettle | rluethi: do you need a second core on any of those? | 16:30 |
| rluethi | I think I will first try to wack one of those that we have :). | 16:31 |
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| asettle | Hahha okay :) | 16:31 |
| rluethi | But yeah, we are spread thin as well. | 16:32 |
| asettle | rluethi: definitely worth us having that conversation then :) | 16:33 |
| rluethi | sure | 16:33 |
| asettle | I want to make sure we're all coming together as a team, rather than being so silo'd. It definitely worked in the past, but as rluethi said, we're all spread pretty thin | 16:33 |
| mpranjic | o/ | 16:33 |
| mpranjic | sorry for being late | 16:34 |
| asettle | mpranjic: yo yo | 16:34 |
| asettle | That's okay :) | 16:34 |
| annegentle | hey mpranjic | 16:34 |
| asettle | Thanks for joining | 16:34 |
| mpranjic | thanks for having me :) | 16:34 |
| asettle | No worries, we're just at the end here | 16:34 |
| ianychoi | mpranjic, hello! | 16:34 |
| asettle | #topic Bug triaging | 16:34 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bug triaging (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 16:34 | |
| asettle | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/SpecialityTeams#Bug_Triage_Team | 16:34 |
| asettle | Olena is our current bug triage liaison (I am stepping in while she is PTO). Nothing notable. | 16:34 |
| asettle | Thanks to Chason to filling in the remaining slot! | 16:34 |
| asettle | Next up is bsilverman for the 22 May - 5 Jun | 16:34 |
| ianychoi | Aha... Olena triaged my recent bug submission - https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bug/1691058 :) | 16:35 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1691058 in openstack-manuals "Old EOL-ed release landing pages have master (up-to-date) document links" [Low,Confirmed] | 16:35 |
| asettle | ianychoi: ahhh jeez, good catch | 16:36 |
| asettle | #topic Open discussion | 16:37 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open discussion (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 16:37 | |
| asettle | Alright, that's the end of this one folks! | 16:37 |
| ianychoi | Good | 16:37 |
| asettle | Any questions, concerns, comments, feelings? | 16:38 |
| ianychoi | During Docs/I18n project onboarding session, one tempest contributor applied openstackdocstheme by changing from oslosphinx: https://docs.openstack.org/developer/tempest/ | 16:38 |
| asettle | Ah, was that Matt? | 16:38 |
| annegentle | huzzah | 16:38 |
| ianychoi | asettle, Masayuki :) | 16:38 |
| asettle | I know a lot of people were like 'why are we still using oslo.sphinx?!' | 16:38 |
| asettle | And I was like 'uhhhh, cause you choose to?' | 16:38 |
| ianychoi | And I18n team also now uses openstackdocstheme: https://docs.openstack.org/developer/i18n/ | 16:38 |
| mpranjic | :) | 16:38 |
| annegentle | look at that cool parrot | 16:39 |
| annegentle | oh I sat next to a tech writer at Pivotal who LOVES and I mean LOVES our fox mascot! | 16:39 |
| asettle | Hhahahaha that's cute | 16:39 |
| ianychoi | annegentle, haha thanks! :) I also love FOX mascot! | 16:40 |
| annegentle | definitely nearly took my fox sticker off my laptop (not really) | 16:40 |
| annegentle | I'll mail her one if I can find one! | 16:40 |
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| asettle | annegentle: I have about forty billion, no joke | 16:40 |
| asettle | Let me send you some | 16:40 |
| asettle | I don't know what to do with them | 16:40 |
| annegentle | also, there's a writer at F5 who presented about treating docs like code who has some OpenStack patches to do, so that's cool. | 16:40 |
| annegentle | presented at Write the Docs in Portland Tuesday, I mean | 16:41 |
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| asettle | Oh wonderful :D | 16:41 |
| annegentle | i also attempted to onboard six people at once on Sunday! | 16:41 |
| asettle | I'm glad there's people still out there paying attention to us | 16:41 |
| annegentle | Hence my patches over the weeeknd. | 16:41 |
| asettle | How'd that go annegentle ? :) | 16:41 |
| asettle | I got your email late, I'm so sorry! | 16:41 |
| annegentle | grateful to you all helping me merge those :) | 16:41 |
| annegentle | also how I found the broken links in the header | 16:41 |
| annegentle | so yeah, went really well | 16:41 |
| ianychoi | annegentle, great! I sometimes see you on "Write the Docs" slack :) | 16:42 |
| annegentle | all the usual onboarding headaches with identities and ssh keys | 16:42 |
| annegentle | ianychoi yeah! | 16:42 |
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| asettle | annegentle: ugh noooo. One day we'll have to make that better | 16:43 |
| asettle | Guess that isn't going to happen tomorrow :P | 16:43 |
| annegentle | heh, nope | 16:43 |
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| asettle | Alright, well, I think we're pretty much done here | 16:44 |
| asettle | ANything else folkks? | 16:44 |
| asettle | Pass on the word that this is the new improved meeting time | 16:44 |
| asettle | How does this work for people? | 16:44 |
| rluethi | improved indeed. | 16:44 |
| rluethi | asettle: thanks for the review :) | 16:46 |
| annegentle | great except for double (was triple) booking... heh | 16:46 |
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| asettle | Not a problem :) made sense! | 16:46 |
| asettle | Hahaha :) | 16:46 |
| ianychoi | I can sleep now haha | 16:46 |
| asettle | ALright | 16:47 |
| asettle | BYE GUYS | 16:47 |
| asettle | #endmeeting | 16:47 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 16:47 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu May 18 16:47:48 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:47 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2017/docteam.2017-05-18-16.00.html | 16:47 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2017/docteam.2017-05-18-16.00.txt | 16:47 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2017/docteam.2017-05-18-16.00.log.html | 16:47 |
| rluethi | bye | 16:47 |
| mpranjic | bye :) | 16:47 |
| ianychoi | Bye all! | 16:47 |
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| armax | yello | 21:59 |
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| kevinbenton | #startmeeting neutron_drivers | 21:59 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu May 18 21:59:53 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is kevinbenton. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:59 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:59 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_drivers' | 21:59 |
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| mlavalle | o/ | 22:00 |
| kevinbenton | hello! | 22:00 |
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| kevinbenton | armax, amotoki, ihrachys: ping | 22:00 |
| ihrachys | o/ | 22:00 |
| amotoki | hi | 22:00 |
| kevinbenton | first time we've had everyone in a long time :) | 22:00 |
| armax | wow | 22:00 |
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| kevinbenton | first i'd like to talk about the community goals really quick | 22:01 |
| kevinbenton | ihrachys: we had briefly chatted about switching at least one tempest job to python3 | 22:01 |
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| ihrachys | tempest? | 22:01 |
| ihrachys | because I think we also planned to switch functional/fullstack? | 22:02 |
| kevinbenton | yeah | 22:02 |
| kevinbenton | but one of the tempest as well i think to exercise actual VM boots and all | 22:02 |
| ihrachys | sure | 22:02 |
| armax | kevinbenton: I thought taht switching tempest needs to be a concerted effort across projects | 22:02 |
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| ihrachys | I think there was some experimental job somewhere that attempted to switch all things to py3 | 22:03 |
| armax | otherwise we risk to break because of other projects failing py3 | 22:03 |
| kevinbenton | ihrachys: well if we switch functional to start, does it pass right now? | 22:03 |
| kevinbenton | armax: i think ihrachys had a fix for that | 22:03 |
| ihrachys | kevinbenton, I would assume no but I dunno until we check | 22:03 |
| armax | kevinbenton: what’s the fix? | 22:03 |
| kevinbenton | armax: so projects had to opt into python3 | 22:03 |
| kevinbenton | i remember that was the case for rally | 22:03 |
| ihrachys | kevinbenton, I think dhellmann and sdague were the last ones who were looking at this in devstack | 22:03 |
| kevinbenton | ok | 22:04 |
| kevinbenton | well lets just do functional/fullstack then | 22:04 |
| ihrachys | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/439108/ | 22:04 |
| kevinbenton | shall we sacrifice the functional job? | 22:04 |
| kevinbenton | it's been unusually stable :) | 22:04 |
| ihrachys | well some worked on it.. | 22:05 |
| ihrachys | + for sacrifice | 22:05 |
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| kevinbenton | ok, we can see where that's at after the meeting to push it forward | 22:05 |
| armax | it’s stable because there’s less volume of changes come into the system | 22:05 |
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| ihrachys | and maybe let's just lag on tempest until community comes up with proper nudge and solution | 22:05 |
| armax | :) | 22:05 |
| kevinbenton | ihrachys: sounds good | 22:05 |
| ihrachys | armax, yeah, 'magic' | 22:05 |
| kevinbenton | so the other one is switching to wsgi | 22:05 |
| armax | long are the days were I would wake up to 100s of review notifications in my inbox | 22:05 |
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| armax | ihrachys: + | 22:06 |
| kevinbenton | there is a bug tracking this somewhere isn't there? | 22:06 |
| armax | let’s switch to something we have full control over | 22:06 |
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| kevinbenton | i think i'm going to make a blueprint to track the wsgi one because there are several things that need to be done | 22:06 |
| ihrachys | I am not aware of a bug. there was a etherpad | 22:06 |
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| ihrachys | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/py3-neutron-pike | 22:07 |
| ihrachys | well it's not very helpful :p | 22:07 |
| ihrachys | I think jlibosva was supposed to come up with a plan but.. | 22:07 |
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| armax | but? | 22:08 |
| ihrachys | you can see there is a bug indeed https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1683301 | 22:08 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1683301 in neutron "python 3.5 support" [Undecided,New] | 22:08 |
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| kevinbenton | sorry, not a bug for py3 | 22:08 |
| ihrachys | but something happened, not sure. atm Jakub is on PTO. | 22:08 |
| kevinbenton | one for wsgi | 22:08 |
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| kevinbenton | i just filed this to track efforst | 22:08 |
| kevinbenton | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/run-in-wsgi-server | 22:08 |
| armax | oh right | 22:08 |
| ihrachys | bug #1666779 | 22:09 |
| openstack | bug 1666779 in neutron "Expose neutron API via a WSGI script" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1666779 - Assigned to Ihar Hrachyshka (ihar-hrachyshka) | 22:09 |
| kevinbenton | i know there was a devstack patch floating around to actually run | 22:09 |
| ihrachys | the devstack piece: https://review.openstack.org/439191 | 22:09 |
| ihrachys | the author left the team | 22:09 |
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| mlavalle | yeah electrocucaracha | 22:10 |
| kevinbenton | ok | 22:11 |
| kevinbenton | #info armax is going to be release person for cycle | 22:11 |
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| kevinbenton | ok, i have the devstack piece recorded in the blueprint | 22:11 |
| kevinbenton | the neutron-rpc-server binary needs to be fixed so it works | 22:11 |
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| kevinbenton | which is what yamamoto was getting at in the review | 22:11 |
| ihrachys | yeah, there is some neutron side work | 22:12 |
| ihrachys | "some" | 22:12 |
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| kevinbenton | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1687896 | 22:12 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1687896 in neutron "neutron-rpc-server fails to start on configuration that works under neutron-server" [Undecided,New] | 22:12 |
| kevinbenton | looks like someone tried it already and opened a bug | 22:12 |
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| kevinbenton | ok | 22:12 |
| kevinbenton | i will look into these things for that goal | 22:12 |
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| kevinbenton | are there any other blueprints that are now at risk due to OSIC cuts, etc? | 22:13 |
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| mlavalle | the whole OVO effort, maybe? | 22:13 |
| kevinbenton | ihrachys: is it basically just down to you? | 22:13 |
| ihrachys | ehm it's at risk but it's not like I bail out | 22:14 |
| ihrachys | yes it's on me basically. also manjeets helps with some bits. | 22:14 |
| ihrachys | I am not bailing out though. | 22:14 |
| armax | ihrachys: not now anyway? : | 22:14 |
| armax | :P | 22:14 |
| ihrachys | not today | 22:14 |
| kevinbenton | ihrachys: ok, are you using that google docs spreadsheet to track which ones need to be done? | 22:14 |
| armax | it’s becoming a race to who’s the last one standing | 22:14 |
| ihrachys | kevinbenton, I should make a proper assessment of work items, haven't looked this way for quite a while | 22:15 |
| ihrachys | kevinbenton, lemme come up with smth the next week. | 22:15 |
| ihrachys | one spec that is not affected by OSIC but by other changes in the team is, I believe, flow manager is going to die: https://review.openstack.org/320439 | 22:15 |
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| kevinbenton | ihrachys: ok, if you get the blueprint whiteboard updated with a todo i might be able to take some on in my spare time | 22:16 |
| kevinbenton | ihrachys: yeah | 22:16 |
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| ihrachys | just talked to David, and he seems like he won't work on this, and we neither have interested parties. | 22:16 |
| kevinbenton | ihrachys: i'm getting that suspicion as well | 22:16 |
| ihrachys | I am fine to kill it. it's a nice idea but won't deliver. tough life. | 22:16 |
| ihrachys | (I actually wanted to kill it in the past, but then David and Thomas asked to keep it on life support) | 22:17 |
| armax | yet another victim of ovn defection | 22:17 |
| kevinbenton | ihrachys: is it blocking any features on their side? | 22:17 |
| ihrachys | armax, basically yes | 22:17 |
| armax | natural selection | 22:17 |
| amotoki | who needs this spec? I think fwaas or sfc folks need it. is it worth asking them? | 22:17 |
| armax | that’s good | 22:17 |
| ihrachys | armax, both resource wise and philosophically | 22:17 |
| armax | well, I think we need to seriously consider the impact on people who geniunely are still interested in writing this stuff in python | 22:18 |
| ihrachys | amotoki, I am beyond the point where I will ask if they need. if they would be interested, I would see more activity on the spec. | 22:18 |
| armax | because we’re not trading apples with apples here | 22:18 |
| kevinbenton | right, OVN definitely isn't a replacement for a thing we can actually develop new features on | 22:19 |
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| kevinbenton | so we'll probably be stuck with OVS ref for quite a while | 22:19 |
| armax | we should try and not to kill the spec itself though | 22:19 |
| armax | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/320439/ | 22:19 |
| ihrachys | kevinbenton, well it depends on how you look at it. even for ovs, you need to lay ground work before you consume its features in neutron. it's just more stuff pushed into platform. | 22:19 |
| armax | it’d be nice to park it somewhere | 22:19 |
| armax | for future reference | 22:20 |
| ihrachys | armax, like devref? | 22:20 |
| armax | ihrachys: if we merged it as it | 22:20 |
| armax | is* | 22:20 |
| armax | but not work on it | 22:20 |
| armax | it’ll go in the backlog | 22:20 |
| armax | and stay there | 22:20 |
| kevinbenton | ihrachys: only for a limited set of things. anything 'steering traffic' using openflow has been suppored by OVS since openflow became a thing | 22:20 |
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| armax | and eventually archive | 22:20 |
| armax | https://github.com/openstack/neutron-specs/tree/master/specs | 22:21 |
| kevinbenton | which is what things like SFC and BGPVPN need | 22:21 |
| kevinbenton | OVN just gives much higher level primitives | 22:21 |
| ihrachys | armax, I am fine either way. maybe just move it to backlog right away and merge? | 22:21 |
| armax | which actually made me notice that there’s still an ocata backlog that hasn’t been dealt with | 22:21 |
| armax | https://github.com/openstack/neutron-specs/tree/master/specs/backlog/ocata | 22:21 |
| ihrachys | with a NOTE at the top | 22:21 |
| armax | ihrachys: I am fine either waty | 22:22 |
| kevinbenton | armax: what does "dealt with" | 22:22 |
| kevinbenton | mean? | 22:22 |
| armax | way* | 22:22 |
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| armax | those blueprints should either be retargeted to pike | 22:22 |
| armax | or moved to archive | 22:22 |
| ihrachys | mmm, thanks for the notice, I need to move the online-upgrades one, it's still relevant for Pike, and we have something to land for it. | 22:22 |
| kevinbenton | ack | 22:23 |
| kevinbenton | agentless-driver has a blueprint for pike | 22:23 |
| kevinbenton | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/agentless-driver | 22:23 |
| kevinbenton | but no patches it looks like | 22:23 |
| armax | ihrachys: ack | 22:24 |
| armax | kevinbenton: I thought garyk was interested in taht one | 22:24 |
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| amotoki | looking at the bug report, i found https://review.openstack.org/#/c/349921/ but there has been no progress from January | 22:25 |
| kevinbenton | ok, let's look through some of the RFEs | 22:26 |
| kevinbenton | i think some are as a result of the summit | 22:26 |
| kevinbenton | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bugs?field.status%3Alist=Triaged&field.tag=rfe | 22:26 |
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| mlavalle | kevinbenton: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1686035 | 22:26 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1686035 in neutron "[RFE] More detailed reporting of available QoS rules" [Wishlist,Triaged] - Assigned to Slawek Kaplonski (slaweq) | 22:26 |
| mlavalle | was at the top of the list earlier | 22:27 |
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| mlavalle | but I re-classified at rfe and went to the bottom | 22:27 |
| mlavalle | I saw slaweq_ signing in | 22:27 |
| mlavalle | maybe he wants to discuss | 22:27 |
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| kevinbenton | ok | 22:27 |
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| mlavalle | slaweq_: are you there? | 22:28 |
| mlavalle | mhhh, maybe not | 22:29 |
| kevinbenton | ok | 22:29 |
| kevinbenton | let's go from top down then for now | 22:29 |
| mlavalle | yeap | 22:29 |
| kevinbenton | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1505627 | 22:29 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1505627 in neutron "[RFE] QoS Explicit Congestion Notification (ECN) Support" [Wishlist,Triaged] - Assigned to Reedip (reedip-banerjee) | 22:29 |
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| kevinbenton | ihrachys: who is this qos team you speak of? :) | 22:29 |
| kevinbenton | ihrachys: what are their feelings on it | 22:30 |
| ihrachys | well there is Rodolfo and Slawek at least | 22:30 |
| kevinbenton | ihrachys: shall we wait for them to reply? | 22:30 |
| mlavalle | and slawek also shows up to their bi-weekly meeting on Tuesdays | 22:30 |
| ihrachys | I dunno what their feelings are, but I see a lot of stuff they seem to care, and I wonder if that other thing is on their radar for Pike. I am not sure. | 22:31 |
| armax | we should can this one | 22:31 |
| armax | it’s been sitting in the pipe dream stage for too long | 22:31 |
| kevinbenton | armax: that's not a reason | 22:31 |
| armax | OK, then approve all the things | 22:31 |
| kevinbenton | let's wait for feedback from them | 22:31 |
| mlavalle | kevinbenton: I attend their meeting regularly. I can bring it up next time | 22:32 |
| kevinbenton | mlavalle: thx | 22:32 |
| kevinbenton | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1558812 | 22:32 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1558812 in neutron "[RFE] Enable adoption of an existing subnet into a subnetpool" [Wishlist,Triaged] - Assigned to Reedip (reedip-banerjee) | 22:32 |
| armax | the thread on the report goes back and forth for months and months | 22:32 |
| kevinbenton | this is an old one as well | 22:32 |
| mlavalle | with a good summary from Carl | 22:32 |
| armax | kevinbenton: what confidence do you have this will suddenly becomes high priority? | 22:32 |
| armax | anyhoo | 22:32 |
| armax | let’s wait | 22:32 |
| kevinbenton | I think we should be able to adopt subnets now if each adoption bumps the revision of the subnet pool | 22:33 |
| kevinbenton | that will protect us from the race condtion that plagued this before | 22:34 |
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| kevinbenton | or bumps the revision of the address scope | 22:34 |
| kevinbenton | what do we think about just putting this to approved and then decide based on teh complexity of the patch | 22:35 |
| armax | the latest patch I can recall was https://review.openstack.org/#/c/348080/ | 22:35 |
| kevinbenton | it looks relatively short and isolated as it is | 22:35 |
| kevinbenton | there is also this one https://review.openstack.org/#/c/407697/2 | 22:36 |
| armax | that was was a clone of ryan's | 22:36 |
| armax | and I blocked it to avoid losing the history of the initial patch | 22:36 |
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| armax | if we do have someone willing to work on the patch | 22:37 |
| armax | we should just restore the blueprint and RFE | 22:37 |
| armax | it was approved at one point | 22:37 |
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| kevinbenton | ok, reedip said he was interested | 22:37 |
| armax | we can provisionally put it back on the radar and see what thappens | 22:37 |
| armax | happens | 22:37 |
| kevinbenton | that's why i brought it back from postponed | 22:37 |
| kevinbenton | armax: ok, set to rfe-approved and lets see what happens | 22:38 |
| mlavalle | ++ | 22:38 |
| kevinbenton | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1561824 | 22:38 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1561824 in neutron "[RFE] Enhance BGP Dynamic Routing driver with Quagga suppport" [Wishlist,Triaged] - Assigned to Steve Ruan (ruansx) | 22:38 |
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| kevinbenton | this one seems like it should maybe be rfe-postponed for now | 22:38 |
| kevinbenton | nobody restored the spec | 22:39 |
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| mlavalle | Steve used to show up to the L3 subteam regularly | 22:40 |
| kevinbenton | mlavalle: ok, if he shows up again just have him restore the spec | 22:40 |
| mlavalle | But he hasn't shown up since maybe october - novemeber | 22:40 |
| mlavalle | will do | 22:40 |
| kevinbenton | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1596611 | 22:40 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1596611 in neutron "[RFE] Create L3 IPs with qos (rate limit)" [Wishlist,Triaged] - Assigned to LIU Yulong (dragon889) | 22:40 |
| kevinbenton | ihrachys: this one needs buy-in from qos folks as well? | 22:41 |
| ihrachys | I would imagine they may have some input, yes | 22:41 |
| ihrachys | the use case seems interesting | 22:41 |
| ihrachys | and the WIP patches seem promising | 22:41 |
| ihrachys | I reviewed the spec, needs some refinement | 22:42 |
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| mlavalle | kevinbenton: again, I can bring it up in their next meeting | 22:42 |
| kevinbenton | ihrachys: LIU has been a pretty good contributor in the past, shall we just move to rfe-approved and see if we can get agreement on the spec from everyone? | 22:43 |
| mlavalle | just keep in mind it is bi-weekly and they had it this week | 22:43 |
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| ihrachys | kevinbenton, I am fine, he seems active | 22:43 |
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| ihrachys | my main concern about the other qos rfe was that it's not clear who's going to support it. here, I see how it's useful and hence can help. | 22:43 |
| kevinbenton | ack | 22:44 |
| kevinbenton | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1639566 | 22:44 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1639566 in neutron "[RFE] Add support for local SNAT" [Wishlist,Triaged] | 22:44 |
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| kevinbenton | this is distributed SNAT where different colored lipstick | 22:44 |
| mlavalle | lol | 22:44 |
| kevinbenton | wearing* | 22:45 |
| kevinbenton | based on the meeting at the summit it sounds like we won't have review bandwidth to make that change this cycle | 22:45 |
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| kevinbenton | and even the person that filed the RFE said they won't be able to write the code | 22:46 |
| kevinbenton | so i think rfe-postponed is appropriate for this one | 22:46 |
| kevinbenton | agreement? | 22:46 |
| mlavalle | yeap | 22:46 |
| amotoki | sounds fair | 22:47 |
| armax | I thought the feedback fromt he summit was to let users have a go at dragonflow | 22:48 |
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| kevinbenton | yeah, that's the same thing as not doing it in DVR :) | 22:48 |
| armax | and see if l3 flavor enhancements were required in case users wanted to use dragonflow in conjunction with other L3 options | 22:48 |
| kevinbenton | yeah, we can definitely make changes to L3 flavors to help if needed to test DVR | 22:48 |
| kevinbenton | i already mentioned that in the neutron meeting on monday | 22:49 |
| armax | so rather than postpone we should possibly close the RFE altogehter? | 22:49 |
| kevinbenton | no | 22:49 |
| kevinbenton | in the future someone may actually want to change DVR | 22:49 |
| armax | OK | 22:49 |
| kevinbenton | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1658682 | 22:49 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1658682 in neutron "port-security can't be disabled if security groups are not enabled" [Wishlist,Triaged] | 22:49 |
| kevinbenton | this now just sounds like a regular bug to me | 22:50 |
| kevinbenton | we are requiring security groups to be enabled to touch an API value that is unrelated | 22:50 |
| amotoki | agree. in some summit forum session, someone complained the same thing. | 22:51 |
| armax | amotoki: I think it was the same person | 22:51 |
| amotoki | perhaps | 22:52 |
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| armax | OK, I can fix it | 22:53 |
| amotoki | I think we need to clarify what we expect with port security enabled and SG disabled. | 22:53 |
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| armax | amotoki: just spoofing rules applied | 22:53 |
| amotoki | my understanding is that anti-spoofing is enabled but no filtering like SG | 22:53 |
| armax | as kevin said | 22:53 |
| kevinbenton | yes | 22:54 |
| amotoki | thanks. move on | 22:54 |
| armax | I’ll give it a stub tonight | 22:54 |
| armax | if I can | 22:54 |
| kevinbenton | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1662650 | 22:54 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1662650 in neutron "[RFE] Advance configuration of SR-IOV ports- api extension" [Wishlist,Triaged] - Assigned to Trevor McCasland (twm2016) | 22:54 |
| kevinbenton | trevormc: hey, you were going to break this into smaller RFEs, has that been done yet? | 22:54 |
| mlavalle | This is what we discussed with Trevor and team on Thursday | 22:55 |
| trevormc | yes I have | 22:55 |
| trevormc | three are on the way | 22:55 |
| mlavalle | I already saw a couple of them in the ML | 22:55 |
| trevormc | two are currently available | 22:55 |
| trevormc | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1690937 | 22:55 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1690937 in neutron "[RFE] Support allowed address pairs without ip address" [Wishlist,Triaged] | 22:55 |
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| trevormc | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1690921 | 22:55 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1690921 in neutron "[RFE] Manage Broadcast, Unicast, and Multicast traffic" [Wishlist,Triaged] | 22:55 |
| kevinbenton | ok, we'll probably get to those next session | 22:55 |
| kevinbenton | i'll move to triaged state after reading through | 22:55 |
| trevormc | I have a meeting with the research team next week. | 22:56 |
| kevinbenton | oh i see | 22:56 |
| armax | 4 minutes | 22:56 |
| kevinbenton | already triaged | 22:56 |
| kevinbenton | trevormc: so can we dump https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1662650 ? | 22:56 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1662650 in neutron "[RFE] Advance configuration of SR-IOV ports- api extension" [Wishlist,Triaged] - Assigned to Trevor McCasland (twm2016) | 22:56 |
| trevormc | yes | 22:56 |
| mlavalle | trevormc: will you be ready by Thursday of next week? | 22:56 |
| trevormc | mlavalle: I hope so, you will see the new RFEs if so | 22:56 |
| mlavalle | ++ :-) | 22:57 |
| kevinbenton | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1671634 | 22:57 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1671634 in neutron "[RFE] Allow to set MTU for networks" [Wishlist,Triaged] - Assigned to Ihar Hrachyshka (ihar-hrachyshka) | 22:57 |
| armax | I thought this was already solved: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1682775 | 22:57 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1682775 in neutron "[RFE] Tag mechanism supports all resouces with standard attribute." [Wishlist,Triaged] - Assigned to Hirofumi Ichihara (ichihara-hirofumi) | 22:57 |
| armax | sorry | 22:57 |
| kevinbenton | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1671634 | 22:57 |
| kevinbenton | ihrachys: can you take over that one? | 22:57 |
| ihrachys | kevinbenton, which of? | 22:58 |
| ihrachys | mtu? | 22:58 |
| ihrachys | yes, once it gets approved, I will move to it | 22:58 |
| kevinbenton | someone had a very clear use case of connecting a neutron net to another with l2tp so MTU needed to be downgraded to match | 22:58 |
| kevinbenton | so i think we can approve this | 22:58 |
| amotoki | IIRC armax had opinions on this in a past meeting | 22:59 |
| kevinbenton | armax: please release your opinions onto us in 30 seconds | 22:59 |
| armax | I am ok with the it | 22:59 |
| kevinbenton | yay! | 22:59 |
| armax | I only fear the backlash | 22:59 |
| ihrachys | \o/ | 22:59 |
| amotoki | :) | 22:59 |
| armax | of bugs that will creep in | 22:59 |
| kevinbenton | that's okay | 23:00 |
| ihrachys | bugs? I write no bugs | 23:00 |
| armax | because of the allow_post=True now | 23:00 |
| kevinbenton | #endmeeting | 23:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu May 18 23:00:10 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 23:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2017/neutron_drivers.2017-05-18-21.59.html | 23:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2017/neutron_drivers.2017-05-18-21.59.txt | 23:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2017/neutron_drivers.2017-05-18-21.59.log.html | 23:00 |
| mlavalle | o/ | 23:00 |
| armax | ihrachys: when allow_post=False | 23:00 |
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