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| yuval | #startmeeting karbor | 09:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Tue May 9 09:00:24 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is yuval. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 09:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 09:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: karbor)" | 09:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'karbor' | 09:00 |
| yuval | Hello everybody | 09:00 |
| yuval | and welcome to Karbor's weekly meeting | 09:00 |
| yuval | we have a few things on the agenda today | 09:01 |
| jiaopengju | hi | 09:01 |
| yuval | ( https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Karbor ) | 09:01 |
| yuval | hey jiaopengju | 09:02 |
| jiaopengju | hi yuval | 09:02 |
| chenying_ | hi | 09:02 |
| zengchen | hello | 09:03 |
| yuval | let's wait a bit for chenying_ zhonghua2 zengchen | 09:03 |
| yuval | yay | 09:03 |
| yuval | :) | 09:03 |
| chenying_ | waiting for chenhuayi | 09:03 |
| yuval | #topic Files backup scene | 09:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Files backup scene (Meeting topic: karbor)" | 09:03 | |
| zengchen | zhonghua2 is in conference. | 09:04 |
| yuval | jiaopengju: you put this topic, right? | 09:04 |
| jiaopengju | yes | 09:04 |
| chenying_ | jiaopengju is from china mobile. | 09:04 |
| yuval | jiaopengju: would you like to ask something, discuss something specific about it? | 09:06 |
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| chenying_ | he has a use case file backup, he want to use karbor to backup file, so that it can be used in their openstack cloud. | 09:07 |
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| jiaopengju | that's what i want to say | 09:08 |
| yuval | ok, regarding 'where to backup', in karbor we have an object called 'bank' which is an abstraction of an object storage | 09:09 |
| yuval | regarding 'how to backup': what did you have in mind? guest agent? | 09:10 |
| jiaopengju | yes, I have tested it mounth ago | 09:10 |
| chenying_ | So he submit a topic about file backup. what we need be discuss it that whether karbor need consider this use case file backup, what's is the solution about it? As we know, file this resource is not managed by openstack, how to query, how to protect? | 09:10 |
| chenying_ | yuval guest agent is one optional way to get and protect the files in vm. | 09:11 |
| yuval | jiaopengju: could be a guest agent or os specific - scp | 09:12 |
| yuval | one of the challenges we have here, is the restore target | 09:12 |
| jiaopengju | I think guest agent would be better. | 09:12 |
| jiaopengju | How to use scp in this situation? scp the files to karbor node and then backup them ? | 09:13 |
| chenying_ | scp this way is not invasive. | 09:13 |
| jiaopengju | scp will have some security problems | 09:15 |
| yuval | jiaopengju: which security problems? | 09:15 |
| chenying_ | So the guest agent is provided by karbor or integrate with other opensource backup software? | 09:16 |
| chenying_ | if we choose use guest agent to get/backup file in the vm ? | 09:16 |
| chenying_ | scp this way. It means that use need provide the usename/password about the vm. | 09:17 |
| yuval | chenying_: we can have a protection plugin for each | 09:17 |
| jiaopengju | In our environment, we always disabled the port 22 and users' password should not be used by the backup service(I think) | 09:17 |
| chenying_ | yuval: we can have a protection plugin for each. You mean two plugins about integrate with guest agent in the vm? | 09:18 |
| yuval | chenying_: we can have a protection plugin for scp and a protection plugin to interact with each guest agent | 09:19 |
| yuval | jiaopengju: let's say you don't use scp. How will karbor interact with the guest agent? | 09:20 |
| chenying_ | yuval I see. But the guest agent, Does it means that karbor need provide it? | 09:20 |
| chenying_ | jiaopengju What's your oppions about the guest agent? | 09:21 |
| yuval | chenying_: I'm speaking theoretically first | 09:21 |
| jiaopengju | yuval: how about http? | 09:21 |
| yuval | jiaopengju: you want the guest agent to leave an open http port? | 09:21 |
| jiaopengju | that will be one way to achieve the guest agent. | 09:23 |
| chenying_ | It is one communication way between plugins and guest agent. | 09:24 |
| jiaopengju | What I concerned most is how the users can use it conveniently | 09:25 |
| chenying_ | The deployment about guest agent to vm is another problom. | 09:26 |
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| jiaopengju | if scp will give more conveniently and consider the 'security problems(I think)' , I think it can be acceptted. | 09:28 |
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| yuval | jiaopengju: what about restore? you intend on restoring into running nova instances? | 09:28 |
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| jiaopengju | At the same time ,we should consider the impression to karbor node of the data flow that generated by the backup | 09:30 |
| jiaopengju | yuval: yes | 09:30 |
| yuval | jiaopengju: what do you mean? | 09:30 |
| jiaopengju | when using scp, kabor node and vms will have data transfer | 09:31 |
| chenying_ | the data transfer rate control? | 09:31 |
| jiaopengju | sorry about my english | 09:32 |
| jiaopengju | chenying_: that's what I want to say, you know me | 09:32 |
| yuval | jiaopengju: btw, we plan on integrating a freezr plugin in karbor | 09:34 |
| yuval | jiaopengju: I see you are active there as well | 09:34 |
| jiaopengju | yes, I am testing freezer as well | 09:35 |
| yuval | jiaopengju: it doesn't contradict. As I said, we plan on creating a plugin for it in karbor | 09:36 |
| chenying_ | integrating a freezr plugin in karbor only for backuping files. IMO, it is too heavy for user. | 09:37 |
| jiaopengju | karbor do well on backup management, but our need comes from users(include true user and engineers) ask me to add file backups, so that we can meet the users' needs . | 09:40 |
| yuval | jiaopengju: we would definitely like to hear more about your use case, and how you plan to use Karbor for it. Mind if we continue this in Karbor channel later? | 09:41 |
| jiaopengju | So I am confusing how to meet this need when we use karbor | 09:41 |
| jiaopengju | ok | 09:42 |
| chenying_ | jiaopengju So now the volume and vm protection plugins can meet your requirements? | 09:42 |
| jiaopengju | yes! | 09:42 |
| jiaopengju | I have tested for mounths | 09:42 |
| yuval | jiaopengju: I know it is late in China now, and tomorrow I'm attending a convention. Want to schedule in Karbor channel, Thursday 15:00 China time? | 09:42 |
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| chenying_ | yuval He want use karbor to protect volume/VM and file, in one sinlge backup service. | 09:43 |
| yuval | chenying_: I understand | 09:43 |
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| jiaopengju | yuval: ok, thank you very much | 09:43 |
| yuval | chenying_: can you come as well? | 09:43 |
| chenying_ | I am OK. I will. | 09:44 |
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| yuval | great | 09:44 |
| yuval | #topic Volume backup restore | 09:44 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Volume backup restore (Meeting topic: karbor)" | 09:44 | |
| yuval | chenying_: ? | 09:44 |
| chenying_ | yes this topic is mine. | 09:45 |
| yuval | chenying_: Volume backups are block-level aware. Karbor should not try to mount these volumes anyhow | 09:45 |
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| chenying_ | yuval If we can support file level protection and restore. I think we don't need consider restore a file form volume backups/ | 09:46 |
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| yuval | chenying_: similar to what jiaopengju said? | 09:46 |
| chenying_ | yuval Yes. | 09:46 |
| chenying_ | The key is file-level restoration. | 09:47 |
| yuval | chenying_: the tricky thing is that currently restoring a resource is creating the resource | 09:47 |
| yuval | chenying_: into a project | 09:47 |
| yuval | chenying_: when we speak about a file, we need to restore into an instance | 09:48 |
| chenying_ | I understand. | 09:48 |
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| yuval | chenying_: we can solve by adding the instance uuid or network address (in case of an in guest agent) into the parameterised restore | 09:49 |
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| chenying_ | some infor about the instance could be pass by the parameter of restore API. I think it is OK. | 09:50 |
| yuval | chenying_: great | 09:51 |
| yuval | anything else on that? | 09:51 |
| chenying_ | Now I don't have any more topic. | 09:51 |
| yuval | #topic open discussion | 09:52 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: karbor)" | 09:52 | |
| yuval | chenying_: we should be releasing an intermediary release soon | 09:52 |
| yuval | chenying_: let's see if we can have it by end of next week | 09:53 |
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| chenying_ | yuval OK. | 09:54 |
| yuval | great | 09:54 |
| yuval | thanks for attending | 09:54 |
| yuval | :) | 09:54 |
| chenying_ | bye | 09:55 |
| jiaopengju | bye | 09:55 |
| yuval | #endmeeting | 09:55 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 09:55 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue May 9 09:55:11 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 09:55 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/karbor/2017/karbor.2017-05-09-09.00.html | 09:55 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/karbor/2017/karbor.2017-05-09-09.00.txt | 09:55 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/karbor/2017/karbor.2017-05-09-09.00.log.html | 09:55 |
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