| ekcs | time for congress meeting masahito ramineni aimeeu | 00:00 |
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| ekcs | #startmeeting congressteammeeting | 00:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 30 00:00:27 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ekcs. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 00:00 |
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| aimeeu | hi ekcs! | 00:01 |
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| ekcs | hi aimeeu ! | 00:01 |
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| masahito | hi | 00:01 |
| ekcs | Here are the items on deck. feel free to take a look and add more. #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/congress-meeting-topics | 00:02 |
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| ekcs | hi masahito ! | 00:02 |
| ramineni_ | Hi | 00:02 |
| ekcs | thinrichs is out this week for a conference. | 00:02 |
| ekcs | hi ramineni_ ! | 00:02 |
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| ekcs | ok let’s get started then = ) | 00:05 |
| ekcs | good to have everyone back. feel free to continue adding to the etherpad during the meeting. | 00:06 |
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| ekcs | #topic pike-1 | 00:06 |
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| ekcs | more just a reminder. pike-1 milestone target week is 4/10 (in two weeks). | 00:06 |
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| ekcs | so submit for reviews soon if you have changes you'd like included in that release | 00:06 |
| aimeeu | thanks for the reminder ekcs! | 00:07 |
| ekcs | anything we’d like to discuss around that? | 00:07 |
| ekcs | np aimeeu | 00:07 |
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| ekcs | ok then on to next topic. | 00:08 |
| ekcs | #topic datasource schema evolution | 00:08 |
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| ekcs | We had some discussion last week. With masahito and bryan_att both supporting versioning the datasource schema. | 00:09 |
| ekcs | So here’s my current proposal, along with the related patches and more details in commit messages. | 00:10 |
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| ekcs | - adopt argument padding to make new table column backward compatible. | 00:10 |
| ekcs | - adopt schema versioning in documentation, with minor version bump for backward compatible change | 00:10 |
| ekcs | Patches and more details in commit messages: | 00:10 |
| ekcs | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/447784/ | 00:10 |
| ekcs | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/448828/ | 00:10 |
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| ekcs | basically, version the schemas, but still use padding to make the change backward compatible. Also, we don’t yet need to implement code support for different schema versions because so far we only have backward compatible changes. | 00:12 |
| ekcs | any thoughts? | 00:12 |
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| masahito | it sounds good. | 00:14 |
| masahito | I thought versioned schema works well when some changes reduces table colomn. | 00:15 |
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| ekcs | masahito: yea, if we ever need to remove a table column we’ll have to figure out how best to do it. in terms of deprecation and compatibility. | 00:17 |
| ekcs | but partly I’m thinking we may never actually need to remove a column, other than when we have a complete overhaul of the schema, usually coinciding with moving to a different client major version. | 00:18 |
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| ekcs | anyway thanks and feel free to comment and discuss further on gerrit =) | 00:19 |
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| ekcs | ok moving on then. | 00:20 |
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| ekcs | #topic status | 00:20 |
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| ekcs | ok I don’t see any new topics on etherpad. so why don’t we do some status updates? haven’t done that in a while. It’d be cool to hear what people have been up to congress or otherwise =) | 00:20 |
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| ekcs | I can start us off. | 00:21 |
| ekcs | Other than the two patches mentioned earlier, I also have a patch for catching polling errors on tempest gate jobs. | 00:22 |
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| ekcs | also been researching and updating information on tasks like wsgi deployment, upgrade tests, | 00:23 |
| ekcs | generic datasource driver, etc. | 00:23 |
| ekcs | oh also looking at what’s going on at ONS to see if I should stop by next week and get familiarized with that community. ONAP will have a big presence i seems. | 00:24 |
| ekcs | that’s all from me. | 00:24 |
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| ekcs | oh also the periodic tests of stable branches are now running for newton and ocata. when mitaka officially EOLs, I’ll ask for stable policy tag. | 00:26 |
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| ekcs | anyone wanna go next? | 00:27 |
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| ramineni_ | Ekcs : where the periodic tests enabled | 00:27 |
| ramineni_ | ? | 00:28 |
| ekcs | ramineni_: the test results are sent to this ML. | 00:28 |
| ekcs | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-stable-maint/2017-March/date.html | 00:28 |
| ekcs | it was a simple change to project-config to enable the tests. | 00:29 |
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| ramineni_ | Oohk .. great | 00:29 |
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| ramineni_ | I can go next on status update | 00:29 |
| ekcs | thanks ramineni_ | 00:29 |
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| ramineni_ | ekcs: working on devstack integration for the forked project | 00:30 |
| ramineni_ | And some bug's last week | 00:31 |
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| ramineni_ | I meant new dashboard project | 00:31 |
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| ramineni_ | That's it from my side | 00:32 |
| ekcs | gotcha. awesome. | 00:32 |
| ekcs | ok anything you’d like to share masahito ? | 00:34 |
| masahito | ok | 00:34 |
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| masahito | I started to work on parallel execution last week. but I was stuck with urgent task :-/ | 00:35 |
| masahito | so not good progress. I try to push it in next week. | 00:36 |
| masahito | that's from my side. | 00:36 |
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| ekcs | awesome. thanks! | 00:37 |
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| ekcs | aimeeu: anything you’d like to share? doesn’t need to be congress =) | 00:37 |
| aimeeu | Yes - tying up loose ends on OPNFV Copper, Models, and VES projects for the Danube release; coming up to speed on Kubernetes, Docker for OpenStack-Helm installer project; and heavily into ONAP (my new focus) | 00:38 |
| aimeeu | and trying to find time for my Congress deliverables ;) | 00:38 |
| ekcs | wow that’s a ton of stuff haha. | 00:38 |
| aimeeu | yes I can't say that my job is boring, that's for sure! | 00:39 |
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| ekcs | so if I want to get up to speed on ONAP in terms of technicals as well as community, where do you think I could start? | 00:39 |
| aimeeu | official ONAP wiki won't be made public until next week at ONS | 00:40 |
| aimeeu | #link https://www.openecomp.org/ | 00:40 |
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| aimeeu | I've got advanced access to their Gerrit and wiki | 00:41 |
| ekcs | got it! | 00:41 |
| aimeeu | oops new website: #link https://www.onap.org/ | 00:41 |
| aimeeu | if you're going to be at ONS - lots of activity around ONAP (I won't be at ONS) | 00:42 |
| ekcs | so I see all these press releases saying open ecomp source code was released. but I couldn’t find it. it is just like well hidden? Or maybe pulled back in preparation for ONAP merger? | 00:42 |
| aimeeu | the code is not public yet | 00:42 |
| aimeeu | announcements next week at ONS | 00:42 |
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| ekcs | haha ok then =) | 00:42 |
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| ekcs | thanks for the info! | 00:43 |
| aimeeu | you all will be interested in the Policy Framework projects | 00:43 |
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| ekcs | oh ok. yea I could definitely use pointers on events/communities/people of interest at ONS. | 00:43 |
| aimeeu | I'll dig some stuff up from my email and forward to you | 00:44 |
| ekcs | I can email you later? | 00:44 |
| ekcs | awesome. | 00:44 |
| aimeeu | absolutely ekcs! | 00:44 |
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| ekcs | ok then. let’s move on. | 00:44 |
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| ekcs | #topic open discussion | 00:44 |
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| ekcs | guessing we don’t have much more to talk about, but I’ll wait a bit. | 00:45 |
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| ekcs | is anyone planning to go to the boston summit btw? | 00:46 |
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| aimeeu | yes I will be there, and Bryan | 00:47 |
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| masahito | I'll be there | 00:47 |
| ekcs | oh got it. | 00:48 |
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| ekcs | masahito: are you giving a talk there? | 00:48 |
| masahito | yes, I'll have some talks | 00:49 |
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| ekcs | awesome. i’m still trying to decide whether to go or not. | 00:49 |
| ekcs | I think I probably will. But haven’t found any singular reason just yet. | 00:50 |
| ekcs | anyway. shall we end early if we don’t have anything else to discuss today? | 00:50 |
| aimeeu | sounds good | 00:51 |
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| ekcs | alright then! have a great week everyone! | 00:52 |
| aimeeu | thanks ekcs! | 00:53 |
| ekcs | thanks aimeeu . bye all! | 00:53 |
| ekcs | #endmeeting | 00:53 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 30 00:53:28 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 00:53 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2017/congressteammeeting.2017-03-30-00.00.html | 00:53 |
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| litao | hi | 01:59 |
| zhenguo | #startmeeting mogan | 02:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 30 02:00:35 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is zhenguo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 02:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 02:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'mogan' | 02:00 |
| zhenguo | o/ | 02:00 |
| liusheng | o/ | 02:01 |
| zhangyang | o/ | 02:01 |
| luyao | o/ | 02:01 |
| litao | o/ | 02:02 |
| zhenguo | as always, the agenda: | 02:02 |
| zhenguo | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Mogan#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 02:02 |
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| zhenguo | #topic announcements and reminders | 02:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "announcements and reminders (Meeting topic: mogan)" | 02:02 | |
| zhenguo | First, welcome liusheng to Mogan core! | 02:02 |
| liusheng | thanks all of you :) | 02:03 |
| litao | congratulations | 02:03 |
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| wanghao | congratulations God sheng! | 02:03 |
| liusheng | wanghao: lol | 02:04 |
| zhenguo | hah, we really need more cores, need more reviews | 02:04 |
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| litao | God sheng | 02:04 |
| zhenguo | not sure if you have noticed this https://review.openstack.org/#/c/448667/ | 02:04 |
| liusheng | zhenguo: yes | 02:05 |
| zhenguo | I don't want Mogan be a single vendor project :( | 02:05 |
| liusheng | zhenguo: we should avoid to be a single-vendor project | 02:06 |
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| litao | hah | 02:06 |
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| zhenguo | yes, hah | 02:06 |
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| litao | yes | 02:07 |
| zhenguo | another thing is we have got all missed git related stats on stackalytics before renaming! | 02:07 |
| zhenguo | #link http://stackalytics.com/?metric=commits&project_type=all&release=all&module=mogan | 02:07 |
| liusheng | that is really cool | 02:07 |
| litao | more companies | 02:08 |
| zhenguo | hah, but from there, we are really a single vendor project | 02:08 |
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| zhenguo | one person > 50% | 02:09 |
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| litao | who | 02:10 |
| litao | who | 02:10 |
| wanghao | litao: zhenguo | 02:10 |
| zhenguo | lol | 02:10 |
| wanghao | litao: he is the one person :) | 02:10 |
| zhenguo | I don't like this | 02:10 |
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| zhenguo | but I can't stop to commit :D | 02:11 |
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| zhenguo | hah, ok, a good news! | 02:11 |
| zhenguo | We will have the Bug Smash for Pike from Wednesday to Friday, May 17 to 19 in Suzhou, China | 02:11 |
| zhenguo | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/OpenStack-Bug-Smash-Pike-Suzhou | 02:11 |
| wanghao | Suzhou cool | 02:12 |
| wanghao | In huawei office? | 02:12 |
| zhenguo | wanghao: seems not | 02:12 |
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| wanghao | yeah just open it. | 02:13 |
| zhenguo | Suzhou Qingshan Hotel | 02:13 |
| liusheng | wanghao: your fiberhome boss should pay for the trip. lol | 02:13 |
| wanghao | liusheng: I really wish that | 02:13 |
| zhenguo | Hope to see all you guys in person there :D | 02:13 |
| wanghao | liusheng: this message should send to our boss. | 02:13 |
| liusheng | a full table of moganers | 02:13 |
| zhenguo | lol | 02:14 |
| liusheng | lol | 02:14 |
| litao | great | 02:14 |
| zhenguo | zhangyang, zhangjl: do you have budget for the bug smash! | 02:14 |
| zhangjl | zhenguo:sorry | 02:15 |
| zhenguo | zhangjl: you won't go there? | 02:15 |
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| zhangjl | zhenguo:i busying in our customers | 02:16 |
| zhangjl | so .... | 02:16 |
| zhangyang | zhenguo: we are not sure yet. | 02:16 |
| zhenguo | zhangjl: hah, ok | 02:16 |
| zhenguo | zhangyang: hope to see you and liudong there :D | 02:16 |
| zhangyang | zhenguo: also wish to go there :D | 02:17 |
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| zhenguo | lol | 02:17 |
| zhenguo | luyao, shaohe_feng: and you? | 02:17 |
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| luyao | zhenguo, I will not do there I think | 02:18 |
| zhenguo | maybe we can meet some China Mobile guys in SuZhou | 02:18 |
| zhenguo | luyao: oh, it's a pity | 02:18 |
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| zhenguo | luyao: JF should give more budget to mogan guys :P | 02:19 |
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| luyao | zhenguo, :P | 02:20 |
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| zhenguo | hah, ok, not much of announcement, anyone else have a thing here? | 02:20 |
| zhenguo | let's move on | 02:20 |
| zhenguo | #topic task tracking | 02:20 |
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| zhenguo | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mogan-task | 02:21 |
| * zhenguo gives folks a few minutes to review | 02:21 | |
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| luyao | zhenguo, have a question, what is Dell Ironic CI? Can I ignore its comment? | 02:22 |
| zhenguo | luyao: yes, just ignore it | 02:22 |
| zhenguo | luyao: it's a CI that runs in dell env I think, they just run our patch and leave a comment to see whether it works for them | 02:22 |
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| zhenguo | but not sure who added that for us | 02:23 |
| luyao | zhenguo, It said my patch has something wrong about cross-repo dependencies, Is it never mind? | 02:23 |
| zhenguo | luyao: yes | 02:24 |
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| luyao | zhenguo, ok, thanks | 02:24 |
| zhenguo | luyao: he is just a reviewer like us :D | 02:24 |
| wanghao | okay, quota part-two has merged today, that will be closed. | 02:25 |
| zhenguo | wanghao: thanks, please update it! | 02:25 |
| wanghao | np | 02:25 |
| zhenguo | I have change the priority from O, P to High, Medium, Low | 02:26 |
| zhenguo | please feel free to add new tasks you are interested | 02:26 |
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| zhenguo | I would like to prioritize deploy-time-raid task, that's what nova can't do now, please read the reference | 02:28 |
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| litao | wanghao: i have something about quota to discuss with you for my multi-instance quota reserving | 02:28 |
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| wanghao | okay | 02:28 |
| zhenguo | Is there some one interested in depoy-time-raid task? | 02:29 |
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| zhenguo | here's a detail discussion link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ironic-ocata-summit-deploy-time-raid | 02:29 |
| wanghao | zhenguo: I interested in mange instances, can take it. | 02:30 |
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| zhenguo | wanghao: thanks very much! | 02:31 |
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| zhenguo | wanghao: we should consider adopt from both nova instances and existing baremetals | 02:32 |
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| litao | zhenguo: mogan need do this? | 02:32 |
| zhenguo | litao: you mean adopt instances? | 02:32 |
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| litao | yes | 02:33 |
| liusheng | seems need a tool to query baremetal instances from nova api and put them into mogan | 02:33 |
| zhenguo | seems nice | 02:33 |
| zhenguo | a tool maybe more useful | 02:34 |
| zhenguo | so we just need an interface to adopt active baremetal node from ironic | 02:34 |
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| wanghao | so mange should support adopt existing baremetal, but there are two source , nova and user specify it. | 02:35 |
| zhenguo | through Ironic API you can add a node with OS then it turns to active instead of available | 02:35 |
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| zhenguo | wanghao: user should first use ironic api to adopt a node | 02:35 |
| zhenguo | we need to adopt ironic active node | 02:36 |
| wanghao | zhenguo: could it be done by mogan? | 02:36 |
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| zhenguo | wanghao: you mean we can call ironic adopt api? | 02:36 |
| zhenguo | wanghao: seems a good choice | 02:36 |
| wanghao | yes! | 02:36 |
| zhenguo | wanghao: hah, I think that would be more better | 02:37 |
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| zhenguo | wanghao: maybe we need a spec for more discussion | 02:37 |
| wanghao | zhenguo: you're right | 02:37 |
| zhenguo | wanghao: and for nova instances, maybe a tool is enough | 02:37 |
| wanghao | zhenguo: en, we just support mogan api to adopt and didn't care the source of information. | 02:38 |
| wanghao | zhenguo: user can extract the information from nova by using this tool | 02:38 |
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| zhenguo | wanghao: yes, | 02:39 |
| zhenguo | liusheng: are you interested in adding such a tool? | 02:39 |
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| liusheng | zhenguo: sure | 02:40 |
| liusheng | zhenguo: sorry I am in a internal meeting now. | 02:40 |
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| zhenguo | liusheng: thanks, I think we can get the image, network information | 02:40 |
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| liusheng | zhenguo: ok | 02:40 |
| zhenguo | liusheng: ok, we can discuss later | 02:40 |
| zhenguo | wanghao: there's another big task waiting for you, cinder-integration. but no rush :D | 02:41 |
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| zhenguo | wanghao: as Ironic may support boot from volume this release, but we can wait them finished | 02:41 |
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| zhenguo | ok, we can discuss this later | 02:44 |
| wanghao | zhenguo: okay | 02:44 |
| zhenguo | wanghao: thanks | 02:44 |
| zhenguo | zhangyang: how's the cloudboot driver? maybe you can add a task on the etherpad for this? | 02:45 |
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| zhangyang | zhenguo: ok, sure | 02:47 |
| zhenguo | zhangyang: thanks very much! | 02:47 |
| zhangyang | zhenguo: we are now planning to discuss with cloudboot developers :D | 02:47 |
| zhenguo | zhangyang: hah, yes you should | 02:48 |
| zhenguo | zhangyang: and they need more english public information to make others know what's cloudboot | 02:48 |
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| zhangyang | zhenguo: yes, i'll tell them about this | 02:49 |
| zhenguo | zhangyang: hah, thanks | 02:50 |
| zhangyang | zhenguo: np :D | 02:50 |
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| zhenguo | the last thing here, I want to talk about mogan-ui | 02:50 |
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| zhenguo | some days ago, bani told to me that she is interested in it, but seems not start yet | 02:50 |
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| zhenguo | we can invite some ui guys help for that | 02:51 |
| zhenguo | ok, what's next | 02:52 |
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| zhenguo | #topic open discussion | 02:52 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: mogan)" | 02:52 | |
| zhenguo | who's got a thing :) | 02:52 |
| zhenguo | if not, we can end the meeting, lol | 02:53 |
| zhenguo | thanks everyone for joining the meeting! | 02:53 |
| zhenguo | #endmeeting | 02:53 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 02:53 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 30 02:53:32 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 02:53 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mogan/2017/mogan.2017-03-30-02.00.html | 02:53 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mogan/2017/mogan.2017-03-30-02.00.txt | 02:53 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mogan/2017/mogan.2017-03-30-02.00.log.html | 02:53 |
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| jftalta | Hi all | 12:18 |
| jftalta | Sorry to be late, I was occupied with my client | 12:19 |
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| jftalta | Hello | 12:21 |
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| jftalta | ok, I'm early. Daylight saving time :( | 12:22 |
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| ianychoi | Hello. Anyone for I18n meeting today? | 13:03 |
| tono | hello I am Suhartono | 13:04 |
| ianychoi | tono, HI :) | 13:04 |
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| tono | I got my new alias, Tono | 13:05 |
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| ianychoi | tono, yep :) Let's wait for a few more I18n people for 5 mins | 13:06 |
| ianychoi | If no, then I think we can start with topics | 13:06 |
| tono | OK | 13:06 |
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| ianychoi | tono, by the way, how is Indonesian translation going? I think you still rank high in Stackalytics | 13:08 |
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| jftalta | Hi ! Sorry to be late | 13:08 |
| ianychoi | jftalta, oh hi :) | 13:08 |
| ianychoi | Let's start at 13:10 UTC :) I am just talking with tono - he is suhartono from Indonesian | 13:09 |
| tono | Yep | 13:09 |
| jftalta | tono, hi | 13:09 |
| tono | hi, jftalta | 13:10 |
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| ianychoi | Ok. Time has come | 13:10 |
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| ianychoi | #startmeeting OpenStack I18n Meeting | 13:10 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 30 13:10:58 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ianychoi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:10 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:11 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_i18n_meeting' | 13:11 |
| ianychoi | Thanks a lot for today coming - tono and jftalta | 13:11 |
| tono | ok | 13:11 |
| ianychoi | #topic Boston Summit & Forum preparation | 13:12 |
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| ianychoi | #action ianychoi will submit a topic for Forum by April 2 | 13:12 |
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| ianychoi | #action ianychoi will contact zzxwill - since he is a key person for Boston Summit presentations | 13:12 |
| ianychoi | I don't have nothing more for Boston Summit & Forum | 13:13 |
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| ianychoi | tono, jftalta any idea for Boston Summit & Forum? | 13:14 |
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| tono | What do you have so far?12 | 13:14 |
| ianychoi | tono, so far? What means? | 13:14 |
| jpich | (Hi! Sorry I'm late) | 13:14 |
| ianychoi | jpich, hello! | 13:14 |
| jftalta | jpich, hi | 13:14 |
| tono | I do not follow your preparation, sorry | 13:15 |
| ianychoi | tono, aha I see. I18n team will have two presentations on Boston Summit | 13:15 |
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| tono | OK | 13:15 |
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| tono | jpich, hi | 13:16 |
| ianychoi | For Forum, http://forumtopics.openstack.org/cfp/details/6 is one topic and the due for Forum topic submission is April 2. So I would like more consider other topics for I18n team | 13:16 |
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| ianychoi | Hmm, let's move on to the next topic | 13:19 |
| ianychoi | #topic Toward for official language coordinator & defining I18n cores | 13:19 |
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| ianychoi | I would like to have more time on this topic today | 13:20 |
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| jftalta | ok | 13:21 |
| ianychoi | Because remaining topics are also related to this topic I think. | 13:21 |
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| ianychoi | Actually, I joined I18n team in 2014 and I don't know how current language coordinators became historically but as far as I know most language coordinators became coordinators as a pioneer in each language team | 13:22 |
| ianychoi | For example, ujuc is Korean I18n language coordinator and he was the guy who first requested to join OpenStack translation for Korean | 13:22 |
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| ianychoi | I wanna respect them as pioneers and changing language coordinators is mainly dependent to the culture of each language team I think. | 13:23 |
| amotoki | i think nothing is different in case of ja team | 13:23 |
| ianychoi | But... for example, Indonesian | 13:23 |
| ianychoi | Hi amotoki :) | 13:24 |
| ianychoi | tono recently has contributed a lot for translations | 13:24 |
| jftalta | In France, translators have the same point of view | 13:24 |
| ianychoi | I tried to contact current Indonesian language coordinator by e-mail about six months ago (maybe) but I still have not received any replies yet | 13:24 |
| jftalta | I mean same as yours | 13:24 |
| ianychoi | In this case, I may need to change the language coordinator in such team | 13:25 |
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| jftalta | I understand | 13:25 |
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| ianychoi | For this case of view, I wanna incorporate the concept of official language coordinators | 13:26 |
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| ianychoi | For example, recently Romanian requested to create Romanian translation support in Zanata | 13:26 |
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| ianychoi | There have been no translation by now. However, in this case, language coordinator may exist or having no language coordinator would be another approach | 13:27 |
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| tono | the first time when joinung, i can define myself as coordinator, reviewer, or just regular translator. | 13:27 |
| ianychoi | Official language coordinators would be needed for several points of view - 1) Communication with I18n PTL well (IRC, e-mail, anything is okay for me but it would be dependent to different future PTLs) 2) monitor language translation effort in language team 3) collect feedback from translators in each language team | 13:28 |
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| tono | But now, I must to request to be translator. | 13:29 |
| amotoki | what does 2) mean? | 13:29 |
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| ianychoi | 4) review activities for qualified translation 5) following I18n translation priority & participating in deciding the priority and plan | 13:30 |
| ianychoi | amotoki, for example, seeing whether translators in each language team translate well or not | 13:30 |
| jftalta | 6) update and streamline the glossary | 13:30 |
| ianychoi | PTL cannot observe all things whether each language team going well or not | 13:31 |
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| jftalta | sure | 13:31 |
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| ianychoi | But I wanna resolve some issues if the language team has difficulties - for example, how to better communicate with translators & reviewers | 13:31 |
| ianychoi | We can share such tips since we are all in I18n team | 13:31 |
| ianychoi | jftalta, thanks for 6) - yep also important I think | 13:32 |
| amotoki | honestly it is not easy who is making good translation and is worth reviewers (as Zanata does not provide a way to discuss/communicate translators well) | 13:32 |
| amotoki | we can only who is active in translation | 13:32 |
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| amotoki | s/can only/can know only/ | 13:33 |
| jftalta | for example, within the french team, there are more than 30 Zanata users, but only 4 active translators | 13:33 |
| ianychoi | amotoki, yep but I would like language coordinators to investigate at least.. for example, how many translators & reviewers parcipated in last OpenStack release cycle? The amount is increased or decreased? | 13:33 |
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| amotoki | ianychoi: good idea | 13:34 |
| ianychoi | I think jftalta and katomo already identified such things :) | 13:34 |
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| ianychoi | And the 7) may be to participate in review activities in openstack/i18n and openstack/i18n-specs | 13:35 |
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| ianychoi | But 7) is controversial - than I meant is that using Gerrit seems not too easy for translators | 13:35 |
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| jftalta | It's better if the coordinator has development skills | 13:36 |
| amotoki | when I was a coordinator, I tried to coordinate several discussion inside a lang team (for example glossary discussion) and setup some communication tools for team communication | 13:37 |
| ianychoi | For me, i18n-specs would be useful for translators but Gerrit usage prevents from more involving review activities me and amotoki think | 13:37 |
| jftalta | amotoki, I did the same for the french team | 13:37 |
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| ianychoi | amotoki suggested me to make use of blueprints and I think it is still a good idea but Foundation now tries to encourage to use Storyboard | 13:37 |
| amotoki | I think this is one of important roles of language coordinator (as a local language team) | 13:38 |
| ianychoi | I18n might need to better idenify pros and cons for different tools and need to choose the best tool for the team | 13:38 |
| amotoki | from the i18n perspective, the list of roles might be a bit different | 13:38 |
| ianychoi | amotoki, yep currently, i18n-cores are more involved in the ownership for openstack/i18n repository I think | 13:39 |
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| ianychoi | i18n-cores would be i18n perspective and the list of roles for official language coordinators might be different from i18n-cores but still important | 13:40 |
| amotoki | yeah, more involvement would be nice | 13:41 |
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| ianychoi | #link https://zanata.atlassian.net/browse/ZNTA-1843 | 13:41 |
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| ianychoi | Such activities would be related to the repo for openstack/i18n :) | 13:42 |
| ianychoi | (For the detail of the link, let's discuss on the next IRC meetings) | 13:42 |
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| ianychoi | tono, what is your feeling when seeing the current discussion on official language coordinator? | 13:43 |
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| amotoki | hmm... it sounds like infra thing rather than translation thing to me even though it is related to i18n | 13:43 |
| ianychoi | tono, unfortunately, current Indonesian language coordinator has not replied still yet. So I wanna nominate you as Indonesian language coordinator | 13:43 |
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| tono | very difficult to find members for translator | 13:43 |
| amotoki | of course language coordinators can send feedback to such tools but isn't it too much requirement to be involved in maintaining such tools. | 13:44 |
| ianychoi | amotoki, yep but infra team cannot deal with all I18n things. Someone in I18n team needs to take care of and/or keep track of such activities | 13:44 |
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| amotoki | ianychoi: exactly, but it is not a requirement for language coordinator. That's my point | 13:45 |
| ianychoi | tono, is there a user group in Indonesia? Have you been community meetups in Indonesia? | 13:45 |
| ianychoi | amotoki, I agree with you. Such activities are more related to i18n-cores than language coordiantors | 13:45 |
| ianychoi | s/coordintors/coordinators | 13:46 |
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| tono | there are many user groups, but not openstack | 13:46 |
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| tono | none user group for i18n | 13:47 |
| ianychoi | tono, hmm I see | 13:47 |
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| tono | Openstack is not so popular in Indonesia | 13:48 |
| adiantum | looks like there is Ug in Indonesia on https://groups.openstack.org/groups/indonesia | 13:48 |
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| adiantum | hi all! | 13:48 |
| ianychoi | adiantum, oh hi all! How have you been? :) | 13:48 |
| adiantum | ianychoi: thank you, fine =) | 13:49 |
| jftalta | adiantum, hi | 13:49 |
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| tono | thank adiantum | 13:49 |
| ianychoi | adiantum, just quick question: are you going to Boston Summit? Have you already registered to the Summit? | 13:49 |
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| adiantum | ianychoi: i alrady registered, but still not sure about attending | 13:50 |
| ianychoi | For current topic, I don't want to decide anything now and still more thinking and feedback are needed | 13:51 |
| jftalta | ok | 13:51 |
| tono | https://groups.openstack.org/groups/indonesia | 13:51 |
| ianychoi | I might be better to consider to discuss with more current language coordinators as possible | 13:51 |
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| ianychoi | #topic Open discussions | 13:51 |
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| tono | not active any more | 13:52 |
| ianychoi | adiantum, aha.. I see. For I18n perspective, it would be so nice if at least one Russian translator (or coordinator) will join to many I18n activities during Boston Summit | 13:52 |
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| ianychoi | There are many other topics I shared in https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/I18nTeamMeeting | 13:52 |
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| ianychoi | But since we do not have sufficient time, please feel free to share anything in open discussion | 13:53 |
| adiantum | ianychoi: i'll ask team if anybody going attending, hopefully i can attend | 13:53 |
| ianychoi | adiantum, thanks a lot :) | 13:53 |
| ianychoi | amotoki, by the way, thanks for initiating http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-i18n/2017-March/002864.html | 13:54 |
| ianychoi | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-i18n/+spec/python35-support | 13:54 |
| ianychoi | Also the blurprint ^ | 13:55 |
| ianychoi | s/blurprint/blueprint haha | 13:55 |
| amotoki | you're welcome. it was a long standing item in my todos | 13:55 |
| ianychoi | blur.. print.. sorry haha | 13:55 |
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| ianychoi | jpich, by the way I am still translating tripleo-ui in master | 13:57 |
| jpich | ianychoi: Thank you! :) | 13:57 |
| ianychoi | jpich, I think I can finish translations by the end of this week and then I will backport to stable-ocata :) | 13:57 |
| ianychoi | jpich, np :) | 13:57 |
| jpich | I wanted to speak with the German translator but I don't think he is around this week... We will have to remove the German translation because it fell to 40% :( | 13:58 |
| jpich | I'm looking forward to the backport, thank you! | 13:58 |
| ianychoi | jpich, I will ask to Robert :) | 13:58 |
| ianychoi | #action ianychoi will ask tripleo-ui translation for German to Robert Simai | 13:59 |
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| jpich | I know it's Low priority (and even No Priority for Ocata) so no worries, I just wanted to let people know before removing | 13:59 |
| ianychoi | jpich, I see | 13:59 |
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| jpich | Thanks for the action item :) | 13:59 |
| ianychoi | tono, jftalta, amotoki, adiantum, jpich: Thanks a lot for today meeting! | 13:59 |
| ianychoi | and Let's find better ways for I18n team :) | 13:59 |
| tono | ok | 13:59 |
| adiantum | thank you =) | 13:59 |
| ianychoi | #endmeeting | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 30 14:00:08 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:00 |
| jftalta | ianychoi, thanks for leading the meeting | 14:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2017/openstack_i18n_meeting.2017-03-30-13.10.html | 14:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2017/openstack_i18n_meeting.2017-03-30-13.10.txt | 14:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2017/openstack_i18n_meeting.2017-03-30-13.10.log.html | 14:00 |
| jpich | Thank you! | 14:00 |
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| jftalta | see you soon ! | 14:00 |
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| luzC | o/ | 16:04 |
| jlwhite_ | o/ | 16:05 |
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| scarab__ | o/ | 16:05 |
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| andreaf | luzC, jlwhite_, scarab__: the qa meeting is at 17:00 UTC so in about 1h from now | 16:07 |
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| andreaf | #startmeeting qa | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 30 17:00:20 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is andreaf. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'qa' | 17:00 |
| andreaf | Today's agenda #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/QATeamMeeting#Agenda_for_March_30rd_2017_.281700_UTC.29 | 17:00 |
| andreaf | hi - who's here today? | 17:00 |
| prateek | Hi andreaf | 17:00 |
| chandankumar | andreaf: hello | 17:00 |
| oomichi | hi :) | 17:01 |
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| jordanP_ | hi | 17:01 |
| blancos | o/ | 17:01 |
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| dustins | \o | 17:01 |
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| jlwhite | o/ | 17:01 |
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| dankolbrs | o/ | 17:02 |
| jordanP_ | (gerrit is going to be rebooted, so links to review.o.o may not work) | 17:02 |
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| andreaf | mtreinish, oomichi, gmann, luzC, scarab_: around? | 17:02 |
| dpaterson_ | 0/ | 17:02 |
| andreaf | jordanP_: doh! thanks for the info | 17:03 |
| oomichi | andreaf: I said hi already :) | 17:03 |
| luzC | o/ | 17:03 |
| scarab_ | here | 17:03 |
| andreaf | oomichi: hi :) sorry I cannot read | 17:03 |
| oomichi | hehe | 17:03 |
| andreaf | ok let's get started | 17:03 |
| mtreinish | o/ | 17:03 |
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| andreaf | #topic Previous Meeting Action review | 17:03 |
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| andreaf | There was an action for me to submit topics for the forum - I haven't done it yet but working on it - I'll do it until tomorrow | 17:04 |
| clarkb | jordanP_: they should work fine at this point | 17:04 |
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| jordanP_ | yeah | 17:04 |
| andreaf | #action andreaf Submit forum session until April 2nd | 17:05 |
| andreaf | clarkb: thanks | 17:05 |
| andreaf | #topic The Forum | 17:05 |
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| andreaf | So about the forum - at some point we need to put together a presentation for the onboarding session | 17:06 |
| andreaf | I was thinking it could be something not too distant from the project update talk anyways | 17:06 |
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| andreaf | but there's still time for that, and if you have something that you think it's really good material to attract new contributors please share in the etherpad #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/BOS-QA-onboarding | 17:07 |
| andreaf | moving on as we have a long agenda :) | 17:07 |
| andreaf | #topic Gate stability | 17:07 |
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| andreaf | Latest update was in the ML from clarkb and mtreinish: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-March/114648.html | 17:08 |
| jordanP_ | thanks for the update, nice email | 17:08 |
| andreaf | since the mail the patch to fix a race was merged which is good | 17:08 |
| mtreinish | things are actually pretty good right now | 17:08 |
| clarkb | except for libvirt | 17:08 |
| jordanP_ | I am especially looking forward to see the test with the new libvirt | 17:08 |
| jordanP_ | I'd rather canonical release a fixed libvirt 1.3.1 then to ask everybody to move to 2.5 in production... | 17:09 |
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| clarkb | yes, there are problems with being split like that too (wheel mirror for example) | 17:09 |
| jordanP_ | idk what's the plan here | 17:09 |
| clarkb | mostly just trying to see if it is viable before worrying about details, though I think many of the deployment tools out there today use UCA | 17:10 |
| jordanP_ | is someone from Canonical aware that the current 1.3.1 have issues w.r.t mem management ? | 17:10 |
| clarkb | yes jamespaige was notified in nova channel yesterday | 17:10 |
| jordanP_ | yeah, UCA is a viable option | 17:10 |
| jordanP_ | good ! | 17:10 |
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| andreaf | thanks everyone for the good work on getting things back in a good state | 17:11 |
| jordanP_ | I guess if we sort the libvirt thing out, we can call close the "gate stability fire" | 17:12 |
| andreaf | There's a new job I've been working on in parallel, since we stopped running a lot of the scenarios | 17:12 |
| jordanP_ | I still think we good use less memory for our jobs | 17:12 |
| jordanP_ | I have this patch that I would like to have eyes on: | 17:12 |
| jordanP_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/450207/ | 17:13 |
| clarkb | jordanP_: yes on the memory usage front I definitely think we should keep pushing on that particularly to the various projects themselves | 17:13 |
| andreaf | jordanP_: yeah there is more ongoing work to be done I think - which is something I'd like to talk about at the forum | 17:13 |
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| andreaf | Scenario job: #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/451769/ | 17:14 |
| andreaf | We have a new non voting job which runs all scenario against tempest changes (in check only) | 17:14 |
| andreaf | I tried adding compute migration tests in there and setting concurrency to 2, and it seems to work well (I only have three test runs though) | 17:15 |
| jordanP_ | will this patch increase the concurrency for all jobs or just that non voting job ? | 17:15 |
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| andreaf | jordanP_: for all the jobs that use scenario env - which is only the non voting job | 17:16 |
| jordanP_ | I think this is a bit early, running migration tests will slow our jobs, and pushing the concurrency is risky at the moment | 17:16 |
| jordanP_ | ah ok, in that case, lgtm | 17:16 |
| andreaf | jordanP_: in any case I'd like to keep that job running on tempest for a while and see how it behaves | 17:17 |
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| jordanP_ | yep | 17:17 |
| andreaf | jordanP_: if it proves itself stable we could then take scenario tests out of the main job and add this one to the gate | 17:17 |
| felipemonteiro | o/ | 17:17 |
| jordanP_ | yep | 17:17 |
| andreaf | in any case... time to move on to the next topic | 17:18 |
| andreaf | #topic spec reviews | 17:18 |
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| andreaf | Upgrade testing toolset: #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/449295/ | 17:18 |
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| andreaf | castulo: do you want to say something about it? | 17:19 |
| castulo | yes, we created this spec as a result of our conversation during the PTG about testing upgrades | 17:19 |
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| castulo | so please review and provide feedback, we would like to hear your concerns and opinions before starting to work on this | 17:20 |
| jlwhite | Has anyone had a chance to review it? | 17:20 |
| jlwhite | If not we could speak on the functionality | 17:20 |
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| andreaf | I read it before the meeting | 17:20 |
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| andreaf | masayukig had some comments on it as well | 17:20 |
| andreaf | I guess my main concern with the spec as it looks today is that it looks a bit too wide in scope | 17:21 |
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| andreaf | I think it would be good to focus on a minimalistic set of requirements / use cases | 17:21 |
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| jlwhite | Well initially for Pike it will cover system health checks and persistence | 17:22 |
| jlwhite | Similar to what grenade runs | 17:22 |
| jlwhite | When you say minimalistic set in what sense are you referring andreaf? | 17:22 |
| jlwhite | Just getting more background | 17:22 |
| castulo | yes, we want to focus in the test needed for a rolling upgrade during pike | 17:23 |
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| andreaf | jlwhite: yes I mean to identify what are the things people are working to focus on first | 17:23 |
| castulo | during future release(s) we would add more tests to cover zero downtime upgrades and zero impact upgrades | 17:23 |
| andreaf | jlwhite: the MVP if you will | 17:23 |
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| jlwhite | okay got it | 17:24 |
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| jlwhite | The goal of the tool is to be utilized by the deployment teams when constructing there upgrade methodologies | 17:24 |
| luzC | would it work to have the spec as the general broader picture, have use cases to define the architecture of each suite and define tasks to divide the work? | 17:25 |
| jlwhite | We spoke with Michal from Kolla and and our goals for Pike align with his vision of a MVP | 17:25 |
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| andreaf | jlwhite: well things like rollback and a gui sounded to me a bit far reaching requirements | 17:26 |
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| andreaf | jlwhite: yeah I agree a good value to get would be information for deployer on how to build a good upgrade strategy | 17:27 |
| andreaf | jlwhite: similar to what grenade does in terms of identifying special steps to be executed during upgrade | 17:27 |
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| jlwhite | andreaf: cool | 17:28 |
| andreaf | jlwhite: the new upgrade testing tool should be able to identify orchestration needs to achieve seamless upgrade | 17:28 |
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| jlwhite | andreaf: yep I agree | 17:29 |
| andreaf | e.g. capture dependencies like you need to upgrade keystone across the board before you can start rolling nova (just an example, not true) | 17:29 |
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| andreaf | jlwhite: and also I believe there would be great value in running those in the gate so we can see when a change brings in a new dependency and think twice if there is any way we can change things to keep the upgrade experience better | 17:30 |
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| andreaf | I left these comments on the spec more or less as well, it would be great if folks could review it as well | 17:31 |
| jlwhite | andreaf: Down the road we see this as a possibility. But for now we are just aiming for those Pike goals | 17:31 |
| jlwhite | andreaf: I figured that :), I'm making you repeat. I will review it | 17:31 |
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| andreaf | jlwhite: I think we should start getting something very small in place and putting it in the gate as soon as it does something even minimal | 17:32 |
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| jlwhite | andreaf: We will definitely start small, as everything needs to work together | 17:33 |
| andreaf | jlwhite, castulo, luzC : do you think there is space for further discussing upgrade testing at the forum? are you going to be in Boston? | 17:33 |
| castulo | andreaf: in a future stage we envision that the tool will handle the orchestration of the upgrade too, so it can be used at the gate, but as a first stage it will provide tools that can be consumed by users or downstream projects to test upgrades | 17:33 |
| castulo | andreaf: no, we are not going :/ | 17:34 |
| jlwhite | same here, 82% not going | 17:34 |
| jlwhite | haha | 17:34 |
| andreaf | castulo: ok, that was not clear for me from the spec | 17:35 |
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| jlwhite | But I do feel it can be discussed in some way if we are able to call in | 17:35 |
| luzC | andreaf right now the idea is for deployer to consume the tool and add it to their upgrade gate jobs, | 17:35 |
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| jlwhite | Or if someone can bring it up on our behalf | 17:35 |
| tosky | castulo: if I read correctly, the tool should still be able to work independently even when the orchestration is implemented, is it correct? | 17:35 |
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| castulo | tosky: yes | 17:36 |
| tosky | thanks; it would be interesting to integrate it for example in TripleO upgrade jobs | 17:36 |
| luzC | andreaf as castulo and jlwhite mentioned initially we are planning on providing the test suites needed to test across the upgrade from a single place | 17:36 |
| luzC | tosky yes | 17:36 |
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| luzC | andreaf do you think the topic should be added as in Boston? | 17:37 |
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| andreaf | luzC: well it may be a bit early to make this a cross project discussion but I wanted to ask you what you though about it? | 17:38 |
| andreaf | ok, I'll assume not for now | 17:39 |
| luzC | it would be good to get early feedback, we are talking to people from deployment working group, | 17:39 |
| andreaf | luzC: heh sorry I was too quick | 17:39 |
| luzC | hahaha | 17:39 |
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| luzC | and keystone | 17:40 |
| luzC | but just collecting requirements since we still have nothing to show | 17:40 |
| andreaf | luzC: ok do you want to propose a session? | 17:40 |
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| luzC | let me give think about it and get back to you | 17:41 |
| andreaf | ok cool | 17:41 |
| andreaf | next topic? | 17:41 |
| andreaf | 3... | 17:41 |
| andreaf | 2.. | 17:41 |
| jlwhite | sure | 17:41 |
| andreaf | 1. | 17:41 |
| andreaf | #topic Tempest | 17:41 |
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| andreaf | 4/4 is Mitaka EOL | 17:42 |
| jordanP_ | we have one flaky test here; https://review.openstack.org/#/c/450032/ | 17:42 |
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| jordanP_ | I am not sure what's best with it | 17:42 |
| andreaf | so we'll tag Tempest for end of support on Mitaka | 17:42 |
| mtreinish | andreaf: did you ever get things setup in the releases repo? | 17:42 |
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| andreaf | mtreinish: no, I need to go and read the docs until then | 17:43 |
| felipemonteiro | Question: is there any current goal to make the orchestration client stable and add it to lib? I don't even think it has unit tests? | 17:43 |
| andreaf | and talk to the release folks :) | 17:43 |
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| jordanP_ | felipemonteiro, no, technically we should remove all heat tests and clients out of tzmpest | 17:44 |
| andreaf | felipemonteiro: no the goal is the other way around, to move it out of tempest, at least until interop folks decide to include heat in their program | 17:44 |
| andreaf | jordanP_: heh my preference would be to fix the race in the tests rather than skip it | 17:45 |
| andreaf | Racy test: #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/450032/ | 17:45 |
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| felipemonteiro | jordanP_ andreaf: I see, thanks. | 17:45 |
| andreaf | jordanP_: as I fear the test will then stay skipped forever, and the failure rate is 0.1% | 17:45 |
| jordanP_ | yeah, that would be my preference too but in the mean time... | 17:46 |
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| jordanP_ | it's not the only test that is skipped | 17:46 |
| andreaf | if I can give you an action to propose a fix :D | 17:46 |
| jordanP_ | no, that won't work :) | 17:46 |
| andreaf | I'm fine with skipping meanwhile | 17:46 |
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| jordanP_ | from time to time, people with some free time, go over the list of skipped tests and fix them | 17:47 |
| andreaf | well the bug is there so if you want to skip I'm fine with it - I did +1 | 17:47 |
| jordanP_ | you should +3 it, you're the ptl :p | 17:48 |
| andreaf | :D | 17:48 |
| andreaf | #topic Tempest Bug Triage | 17:48 |
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| andreaf | prateek: do you have any update for us? | 17:48 |
| prateek | andreaf, yup, i have listed my findings in the etherpad | 17:49 |
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| prateek | also there are some bugs which have been marked for Feb27 week | 17:49 |
| prateek | which are of this week actually | 17:49 |
| prateek | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tempest-weekly-bug-report | 17:49 |
| prateek | i have written IuzC to recheck that | 17:50 |
| prateek | I am doing triage for first time so I am not sure how I am to report that in the meeeting | 17:50 |
| prateek | there are 5 bugs which are confirmed | 17:51 |
| prateek | 1 in progress | 17:51 |
| prateek | and 3 incomplete | 17:51 |
| andreaf | prateek: yeah that's fine, if there is any bug which requires attention or clarification this is a good forum to mention them | 17:51 |
| prateek | i couldnt test 1 beacuse it required ssl setup | 17:51 |
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| jordanP_ | ssl can be setup with enable_service tls-proxy in local.conf | 17:52 |
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| jordanP_ | (for information) | 17:52 |
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| jordanP_ | but I mean, you don"t have to repro every bug yourself, that's a lot of work ! | 17:52 |
| andreaf | prateek: ok thanks for your work on triaging | 17:52 |
| jordanP_ | yes, thank you | 17:53 |
| prateek | andreaf, nope, there is no bug that needs clarification | 17:53 |
| prateek | welcome guys | 17:53 |
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| prateek | jordanP_, ok, so i would find some video on how to triage | 17:53 |
| andreaf | jordanP_: well I won't complain about a job well done :) | 17:53 |
| prateek | :) | 17:53 |
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| andreaf | prateek: in many cases a log from the gate is enough to prove a bug, but if there is no log and no log link in the bug and it's complex to reproduce you can push back and mark as incomplete | 17:54 |
| andreaf | asking for the relevant data | 17:55 |
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| prateek | andreaf, ok, would do, thanks | 17:55 |
| jordanP_ | yeah, that's usually the way to go | 17:55 |
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| andreaf | so, time is running out - is there any topic someone in the meeting would like to cover still? | 17:55 |
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| andreaf | else I'll switch to critical reviews | 17:56 |
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| andreaf | #topic critical reviews | 17:56 |
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| mtreinish | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/447263/ | 17:57 |
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| mtreinish | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/449422/ | 17:57 |
| mtreinish | just 2 fixes from masayukig on o-h | 17:57 |
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| andreaf | and this change for the scenario job from my side: #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/451769/ | 17:58 |
| oomichi | Id like to put https://review.openstack.org/#/c/450411/ here | 17:59 |
| oomichi | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/450411/ | 17:59 |
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| andreaf | yeah well Catherine Diep already +1 so I think it should be fine | 17:59 |
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| andreaf | but perhaps try to ping her | 18:00 |
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| andreaf | thanks everyone | 18:00 |
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| andreaf | #endmeeting | 18:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 30 18:00:21 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:00 |
| jordanP_ | thanks | 18:00 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2017/qa.2017-03-30-17.00.html | 18:00 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2017/qa.2017-03-30-17.00.txt | 18:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2017/qa.2017-03-30-17.00.log.html | 18:00 |
| prateek | thanks | 18:00 |
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| dtroyer | #startmeeting openstackclient | 19:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 30 19:02:12 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dtroyer. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstackclient' | 19:02 |
| dtroyer | Howdy all! | 19:02 |
| ankur-gupta-f4 | heyo | 19:02 |
| rabel | hi :) | 19:02 |
| dtroyer | OK, let's get started… | 19:03 |
| dtroyer | #topic reviews | 19:04 |
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| dtroyer | I've got two things here, do you guys have any? | 19:04 |
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| ankur-gupta-f4 | Just L3 Router commands | 19:04 |
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| rabel | i think i have one | 19:04 |
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| ankur-gupta-f4 | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/385729/ | 19:04 |
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| * dtroyer refreshed what he said last week | 19:05 | |
| ankur-gupta-f4 | :| | 19:05 |
| rabel | ? | 19:06 |
| dtroyer | my comemnts on the review | 19:06 |
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| dtroyer | ankur-gupta-f1: those list commands look a lot more like I'd expect at first glance, thanks | 19:06 |
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| ankur-gupta-f4 | yea it was a naming thing where i kept same function names from first iteration | 19:06 |
| dtroyer | I'll look in detail later, anything else to say on that one? | 19:07 |
| ankur-gupta-f4 | nope. | 19:08 |
| rabel | no | 19:08 |
| dtroyer | rabel: what do you have? | 19:08 |
| rabel | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/444924/ | 19:08 |
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| rabel | dtroyer you had some comments and i uploaded a new patch set last week. | 19:09 |
| ankur-gupta-f4 | I like the idea but would have to look closer about the implementation. will put on my todo list | 19:10 |
| rabel | also there is a hint from reedip, that it's better to use MultiKeyValueAction for this, but i think it's better to switch to this class together with --nic. | 19:10 |
| dtroyer | ok, I wasn't sure of the context on that comment... | 19:10 |
| dtroyer | my biggest concern was handling nova-net properly | 19:11 |
| rabel | dtroyer: i did not look at that closely, because i just reuse the nics variable, that is also used by --nic | 19:12 |
| dtroyer | and it looks like there are still unconditional calls into network API | 19:13 |
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| dtroyer | I didn't think about that, is —nics neutron only? | 19:13 |
| rabel | i don't know | 19:13 |
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| rabel | which unconditional calls do you refer to? | 19:14 |
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| rabel | is this the self.app.client_manager.network stuff? | 19:14 |
| dtroyer | ok, I see it now | 19:14 |
| dtroyer | line 633 is what I missed | 19:15 |
| dtroyer | where it decides nova-net or neutron | 19:15 |
| dtroyer | good | 19:15 |
| rabel | ah ok | 19:15 |
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| dtroyer | the next thing is to handle the microversions properly, but you don't have to hold this up for that | 19:15 |
| rabel | could you explain that briefly? | 19:16 |
| dtroyer | the 'none' and 'auto' support rely on a Nova microversion | 19:16 |
| dtroyer | there is no support yet to properly detect and do the right thing for those | 19:17 |
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| dtroyer | that's actually what I'm working on now, setting up the novaclient.Client we build properly | 19:17 |
| rabel | i see | 19:18 |
| dtroyer | I've been heads-down on that and the auth problem Monday and let things pile up a bit, apologies | 19:18 |
| dtroyer | nice segue… https://review.openstack.org/451618 is the POC | 19:19 |
| dtroyer | The idea is to borrow some things from novaclient, generalize it as necessary for cinder and ironic and stuff the really common bits into keystoneauth | 19:20 |
| dtroyer | this is just step 1, but it'll make our nova client object behave properly now | 19:20 |
| dtroyer | one question I have though, when the OS_COMPUTE_API_VERSION is set to '2', what should we do? | 19:21 |
| dtroyer | we tried a while back to make that mean 2.latest (in nova terms) but that doesn't actually work and is a change from previous behaviour | 19:21 |
| dtroyer | right now we're getting effectively 2.1 all of the time | 19:21 |
| dtroyer | unless OS_COMPUTE_API_VERSION is specifically set by the user or in clouds.yaml | 19:22 |
| dtroyer | so the question is, do we want that change to work or should we preserve the current behaviour? | 19:22 |
| rabel | so one option is always 2.1 and one option is always 2.latest? | 19:23 |
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| dtroyer | yes. first is current, second is what nova cli does and what we tried to do. but its a potentially breaking change | 19:24 |
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| dtroyer | oddly enough, the Nova docs say "don't use latest" in a client :) | 19:25 |
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| rabel | :D | 19:25 |
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| dtroyer | anyway, I opened https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-openstackclient/+bug/1677372 for this if you have opinions | 19:26 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1677372 in python-openstackclient "Compute API version defaults to '2.1' not '2.latest'" [Undecided,New] | 19:26 |
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| ankur-gupta-f4 | ideally we would want to take the latest | 19:26 |
| ankur-gupta-f4 | unless specified 2.1 | 19:26 |
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| dtroyer | I think so too | 19:27 |
| ankur-gupta-f4 | we should warn that there may be breakages in the near future and to report any bugs found | 19:28 |
| dtroyer | I want to do a 4.0 this summer, this may wait for then too. I'm piling up a wishlist of potentially-breaking stuff for that | 19:30 |
| dtroyer | which also means things on that list need to have good testing now to we can see what actually does change | 19:30 |
| ankur-gupta-f4 | etherpad? | 19:31 |
| rabel | "wishlist of potentially-breaking stuff" sounds funny. ;) but i like the idea to wait with this kind of change for 4.0 | 19:31 |
| dtroyer | given the talk around API stability lately it all sounds funny | 19:32 |
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| dtroyer | no etherpad yet, on the list :) | 19:32 |
| dtroyer | The other things I wanted to bring up here is the fix for the functional-tips jobs: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/450453/ | 19:32 |
| dtroyer | its cousin is in osc-lib: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/450452/ | 19:32 |
| dtroyer | I think we need both for the fix so I'm ready to just merge them, would like a sanity check on the OSC one | 19:33 |
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| dtroyer | RuiChen mentioned that those may not be complete this morning for some combination of master and release osc, osc-lib and os-client-config | 19:33 |
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| dtroyer | but we need this to release a new os-client-config no matter what… | 19:34 |
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| dtroyer | anything else? | 19:36 |
| ankur-gupta-f4 | i got nothing. Just struggling with octaviaclient right now | 19:36 |
| dtroyer | #topic open discussion | 19:36 |
| rabel | i have nothing more | 19:36 |
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| dtroyer | Something else I saw this week was that novaclient will be removing security group and floating IP bits from the lib in their upcoming 8.0 release, breaking us rather badly | 19:37 |
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| ankur-gupta-f4 | oh | 19:37 |
| ankur-gupta-f4 | what was the reason behind that decision | 19:38 |
| dtroyer | I've started re-implementing those in the style of openstackclient.api.* | 19:38 |
| dtroyer | they have been deprecated and no longer used. | 19:38 |
| dtroyer | except clients have a much longer cycle time, we still have nova-net in supported releases, and many in operation | 19:38 |
| dtroyer | so we're going to support that one way or another | 19:39 |
| dtroyer | and the SDK isn't ready for that yet | 19:39 |
| dtroyer | I'll push up a POC for the security group CRUD commands soon then maybe we can get folk working in parallel... | 19:40 |
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| ankur-gupta-f4 | +1 | 19:40 |
| dtroyer | worst case we'll ask to cap novaclient < 8.0 in upper-constraints | 19:40 |
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| ankur-gupta-f4 | g2g. Thanks Dean. | 19:42 |
| dtroyer | anything else? | 19:42 |
| rabel | yes | 19:42 |
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| rabel | i would like to implement "router show" to not only show gateway info, but also information on interfaces. see https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-openstackclient/+bug/1675489 | 19:43 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1675489 in python-openstackclient "router show should include interfaces" [Undecided,New] | 19:43 |
| rabel | what do you think about that? | 19:43 |
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| dtroyer | there is an issue with output formats to list s single resource and one or more sub-resources like that. it's ugly to represent in prettytable and really hard in CSV. JSON works well, but we don't do it right | 19:44 |
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| dtroyer | I think we have used an option on a show command to get more details, but which one escapes me just now | 19:45 |
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| dtroyer | and of course, some already do that where the list is returned in the primary resource object. | 19:45 |
| dtroyer | is that the case here? | 19:45 |
| rabel | i don't understand | 19:46 |
| dtroyer | if that is really embedding an 'interface list —router' command in router show I'd want to think harder about it | 19:46 |
| dtroyer | does the router object returned by the server contain the list of interfaces? | 19:46 |
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| rabel | ah. i don't know. | 19:47 |
| amotoki | no at now. it just contains external gateway information | 19:47 |
| dtroyer | if it does, add it to the show output and we'll deal with the formatting like all of the others | 19:47 |
| dtroyer | ok, so that's really a second command to filter an ointerface list by router | 19:47 |
| rabel | but what would be the first command? | 19:47 |
| rabel | there is no "interface list" | 19:48 |
| rabel | or would it be the same as "port list --router"? | 19:48 |
| dtroyer | so right now we have no way to see what the connected interfaces are on a router? | 19:48 |
| amotoki | openstack port list --router <router> | 19:48 |
| dtroyer | yeah, that's it | 19:48 |
| dtroyer | so I really wouldn't want to add that to router show | 19:49 |
| rabel | ok | 19:49 |
| rabel | but still... | 19:49 |
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| rabel | if you are looking for interfaces, "port list" does not come very intuitively | 19:49 |
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| rabel | because of the two different terms | 19:50 |
| dtroyer | should we call router interfaces router ports instead? | 19:50 |
| dtroyer | or netowrk ports? | 19:50 |
| amotoki | yeah... previously 'neutron router-port-list' can be used for this purpose, so users can find the command by "neutron help | grep router", but now.... | 19:51 |
| amotoki | I am not sure what is userfriendly... | 19:51 |
| dtroyer | I think it would be to use the right words around the router to help them find where to go next | 19:51 |
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| dtroyer | at the least we may want to sneak in the right words into the help | 19:52 |
| rabel | yes, it's difficult. because inteface in this case is not only port, but "port on router that is not gateway" | 19:52 |
| dtroyer | in my (outdated?) network terminology, that seems like an empty set | 19:53 |
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| dtroyer | router == gateway, the only port that isn't that on a router is the console and span ports :) | 19:54 |
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| dtroyer | obvioudly that isn't still true here | 19:54 |
| dtroyer | obviously | 19:54 |
| rabel | well, yes. maybe "port on router that is not connected to an external gateway"? ;) | 19:54 |
| dtroyer | where external is defined by default route? | 19:55 |
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| rabel | i think so | 19:55 |
| amotoki | a router connects to multiple networks, so the router has many ports. | 19:55 |
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| amotoki | "gateway port" means a port connected to default gateway | 19:55 |
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| dtroyer | so the default route defines that. | 19:56 |
| amotoki | other ports are connected to tenant networks | 19:56 |
| dtroyer | are the ideas about STP and routing protocols present here too? do we build multiple default route networks? | 19:57 |
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| dtroyer | I don't know how much of this is supported by Neutron | 19:57 |
| dtroyer | like, does anyone use OSPF or RIP in neutron networks? | 19:58 |
| amotoki | IIRC it is not supported by current neutron | 19:58 |
| dtroyer | so it's really just leaf routers | 19:58 |
| amotoki | some stuff around BGP is implemented but it is a bit different context. | 19:58 |
| dtroyer | err, I guess 'edge' is the current term | 19:58 |
| amotoki | yeah | 19:59 |
| amotoki | we use 'leaf switch' and 'edge router' usually | 19:59 |
| dtroyer | BGP is fun, and I was never quite sure why it was used for an IGP | 20:00 |
| * dtroyer is having quagga flashbacks now | 20:00 | |
| amotoki | :) | 20:00 |
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| dtroyer | all that said, can we solve the issue between the right filters on port list and figuring out how to get from 'router interface' to 'port'? | 20:01 |
| dtroyer | and we're out of time… | 20:01 |
| dtroyer | thanks everyone! | 20:01 |
| rabel | :D | 20:01 |
| dtroyer | continue in -sdks if necessary | 20:01 |
| rabel | thank you | 20:01 |
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| dtroyer | #endmeeting | 20:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 30 20:01:58 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:02 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstackclient/2017/openstackclient.2017-03-30-19.02.html | 20:02 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstackclient/2017/openstackclient.2017-03-30-19.02.txt | 20:02 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstackclient/2017/openstackclient.2017-03-30-19.02.log.html | 20:02 |
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| dansmith | #startmeeting nova | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 30 21:00:00 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dansmith. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova' | 21:00 |
| mriedem | o/ | 21:00 |
| takashin | o/ | 21:00 |
| edleafe | \o | 21:00 |
| melwitt | o/ | 21:00 |
| * edleafe has to run out in a few minutes | 21:00 | |
| dtp | o/ | 21:00 |
| dansmith | sadly, you have to deal with me today because mriedem is in the air | 21:01 |
| dansmith | #topic Release News | 21:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Release News (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:01 | |
| dansmith | #link Pike release schedule: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/Pike_Release_Schedule | 21:01 |
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| dansmith | The next thing on the actual release schedule is April 13: P-1 | 21:01 |
| * bauzas waves | 21:01 | |
| dansmith | #info Blueprints: 59 targeted, 39 approved, 1 completed | 21:01 |
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| dansmith | and one more stat for you stat lovers: | 21:02 |
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| dansmith | #info Open spec reviews: 109 (down 2 from last week) | 21:02 |
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| mriedem | god i love those stats | 21:02 |
| mriedem | thanks dan! | 21:02 |
| dansmith | I know you do | 21:02 |
| dansmith | #topic Bugs | 21:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bugs (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:02 | |
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| dansmith | #help Our backlog of new untriaged bugs is high. Need help with triage of new bugs. | 21:03 |
| * dansmith makes a note to silently close some bugs to help the ratios | 21:03 | |
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| bauzas | roger. | 21:03 |
| dansmith | I see no critical bugs in the query | 21:03 |
| dansmith | so I guess that's good | 21:03 |
| jaypipes | hey, I'm here. | 21:03 |
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| dansmith | #link check queue gate status http://status.openstack.org/elastic-recheck/index.html | 21:04 |
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| mriedem | all's well in the gate besides libvirt | 21:04 |
| dansmith | I know clarkb was looking for help on that top libvirt crash bug | 21:04 |
| dansmith | cool | 21:04 |
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| dansmith | #link 3rd party CI status http://ci-watch.tintri.com/project?project=nova&time=7+days | 21:04 |
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| dansmith | can we say the same about 3rd party CI? | 21:04 |
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| clarkb | yes I was. Seemed that from libvirt side answer was "stop using old libvirt" so I've got a patch up to use UCA in devstack (thats still not latest or a supported stable version? but at least its newer) | 21:05 |
| mriedem | dansmith: yeah | 21:05 |
| dansmith | clarkb: ah, awesome | 21:05 |
| clarkb | ianw was also working on getting core dumps better supported by devstack so we can collect them | 21:05 |
| mriedem | that's always the answer from libvirt | 21:05 |
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| dansmith | well, the third party CI dashboard won't even load for me | 21:05 |
| dansmith | so I'll just assume it's all rosy | 21:06 |
| dansmith | #topic Reminders | 21:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Reminders (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:06 | |
| dansmith | #info Spec review sprint is April 4 | 21:06 |
| dansmith | That is next tuesday | 21:06 |
| * dansmith plans a sudden medical incident for tuesday | 21:06 | |
| mriedem | severed nips | 21:06 |
| mriedem | classic excuse | 21:06 |
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| dansmith | "honest doc, I was using the recommended setting on the clamps" | 21:07 |
| dansmith | er, anyway | 21:07 |
| dansmith | #info Spec freeze is April 13 | 21:07 |
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| dansmith | #link Pike Review Priorities etherpad: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/pike-nova-priorities-tracking | 21:07 |
| ianw | (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/451128/ devstack libvirt coredumps, sorry, from previous topic) | 21:07 |
| dansmith | I know I'm a bit behind on updating the cells section of the prio etherpad, | 21:07 |
| dansmith | but do as I say not as I do, and stuff | 21:07 |
| dansmith | ianw: thanks | 21:07 |
| dansmith | #link Forum planning: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Forum/Boston2017 | 21:08 |
| dansmith | everyone should be aware of this by now, but if not, ^ | 21:08 |
| dansmith | there's a nova-specific place for brainstorming and smaller topics: | 21:08 |
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| dansmith | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/BOS-Nova-brainstorming Forum discussion planning for nova (add your name if you are going) | 21:08 |
| dansmith | deadline is: | 21:08 |
| dansmith | #info EOD April 2: deadline for Forum topic submission: http://forumtopics.openstack.org/ | 21:08 |
| * dansmith notes mriedem has made running the meeting as easy as cut-n-paste | 21:09 | |
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| mriedem | \o/ | 21:09 |
| dansmith | any other reminders here? | 21:09 |
| dansmith | #topic Stable Branch Status | 21:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Stable Branch Status (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:09 | |
| mriedem | no news really | 21:09 |
| bauzas | maybe the new contributors session | 21:09 |
| bauzas | but meh, let's discuss it offline | 21:09 |
| dansmith | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/stable-tracker | 21:10 |
| mriedem | we have one ocata regression to get fixed yet, | 21:10 |
| mriedem | and backporte | 21:10 |
| mriedem | *backported | 21:10 |
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| dansmith | sweet | 21:10 |
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| dansmith | #topic Subteam Highlights | 21:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Subteam Highlights (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:10 | |
| dansmith | dansmith: go | 21:11 |
| dansmith | dansmith: well, we didn't really have a meeting this week because only myself and dtp showed up | 21:11 |
| dansmith | dansmith: so we punted and got back to work | 21:11 |
| dansmith | dansmith: that is all | 21:11 |
| dansmith | dansmith: thanks for that | 21:11 |
| dansmith | scheduler | 21:11 |
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| danased | Discussed the os-traits work, and the change to re-organize the library: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/448282 | 21:11 |
| danased | Discussion about the use-local-scheduler patch took up most of the rest of the meeting: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/438936 | 21:12 |
| danased | EOM | 21:12 |
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| dansmith | thanks, ed | 21:12 |
| mriedem | oh dan as ed | 21:12 |
| mriedem | i get it now | 21:12 |
| mriedem | i thought dana sed | 21:12 |
| dansmith | tdurakov: around for live migration? | 21:12 |
| mriedem | and who's dana? | 21:12 |
| dansmith | heh | 21:12 |
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| melwitt | I thought da nased | 21:12 |
| dansmith | guess not | 21:13 |
| dansmith | alex_xu: sdague: ? | 21:13 |
| dansmith | api? | 21:13 |
| mriedem | it's in the agenda | 21:13 |
| dansmith | Looks like there is some stuff in the agenda, so: | 21:13 |
| mriedem | same for live migration | 21:13 |
| mriedem | refresh | 21:13 |
| dansmith | Good progress on policy doc https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/nova+branch:master+topic:bp/policy-docs | 21:13 |
| dansmith | Other two specs still need more review https://review.openstack.org/433037 and https://review.openstack.org/427872 | 21:13 |
| dansmith | The patch for removing stevedore is ready https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:master+topic:bp/api-no-more-extensions-pike. The whole plan is in the etherpad https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/api-no-more-extensions-pike | 21:13 |
| dansmith | Discuss the nova api via web-servers. sdague think the uwsgi stuff should be sorted in devstack before cutting over anyway | 21:13 |
| dansmith | ack | 21:14 |
| dansmith | live migration stuff is: | 21:14 |
| dansmith | Live migration completion timeout(config part): https://review.openstack.org/#/c/438467/ | 21:14 |
| dansmith | Per instance API timeout: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/442809/ | 21:14 |
| dansmith | no moshele and it's late | 21:14 |
| mriedem | there isn't an sriov meeting anymore | 21:15 |
| mriedem | since january | 21:15 |
| mriedem | i should just remove that | 21:15 |
| dansmith | mriedem: well, who's fault is that? | 21:15 |
| mriedem | mine? | 21:15 |
| dansmith | update from gibi on notifications: | 21:15 |
| dansmith | We spent most of the meeting time on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/448779 Add BDM to InstancePayload which is needed for Searchlight. It would be good to get some eyes at least on the extra db query part https://review.openstack.org/#/c/448779/9/nova/compute/utils.py@217 | 21:15 |
| dansmith | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/428260/ Short circuit notifications when not enabled patch finally got the missing test coverage so it is complete now. | 21:15 |
| mriedem | oh wait, it's obama's fault | 21:15 |
| mriedem | sorry | 21:15 |
| dansmith | At some point we need to talk about the soft- and force-delete complication in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/443764/1/nova/compute/api.py@1868 | 21:15 |
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| dansmith | efried: thorst: powervm apparently gets its own section, so .. / | 21:16 |
| efried | Right | 21:16 |
| mriedem | same patches up for review | 21:16 |
| efried | A growing list, yes. | 21:17 |
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| mriedem | i'd advise not letting the list grow too much | 21:17 |
| mriedem | before you get reviews | 21:17 |
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| efried | Well, yeah, we're kinda catch-22ed there. | 21:17 |
| mriedem | half a dozen at most maybe if they aren't small | 21:17 |
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| efried | Sokay, we're running into some problems with the SSP ephemeral disk driver that we're going to need some time to solve. | 21:18 |
| efried | Something (maybe?) changed in threading that freezes the whole compute process for us. | 21:18 |
| efried | Haven't nailed it down yet. | 21:18 |
| efried | Anyway, that's about it for powervm. Begging for reviews ;-) | 21:18 |
| efried | Will resort to bribery if necessary. | 21:19 |
| dansmith | ack.. mriedem wanna do cinder? | 21:19 |
| mriedem | dansmith: sure | 21:19 |
| dansmith | so we have something other than me pasting stuff in here and impersonating others/ | 21:19 |
| mriedem | John's spec is merged; review focus is on detach refactor https://review.openstack.org/#/c/439520/ | 21:19 |
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| mriedem | which should be merged tomorrow since johnthetubaguy was +2 on it before | 21:19 |
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| mriedem | so next week we should be starting on reviewing the actual detach new flow | 21:19 |
| mriedem | otherwise i wasn't in the weekly meeting today so... | 21:20 |
| mriedem | i'm assuming they just didn't hold it b/c i wasn't there | 21:20 |
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| mriedem | ildikov: ^? | 21:20 |
| dansmith | nauturally | 21:20 |
| dansmith | wow, that was .. not right | 21:20 |
| mriedem | we can move on | 21:20 |
| ildikov | mriedem: jgriffith's patch is now on top of the detach refactor | 21:20 |
| dansmith | #topic Stuck reviews | 21:21 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Stuck reviews (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:21 | |
| dansmith | #undo | 21:21 |
| openstack | Removing item from minutes: #topic Stuck reviews | 21:21 |
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| ildikov | mriedem: rebased just now should be in better shape by next week, eyes and suggestions on it are already welcomed, tnx :) | 21:21 |
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| mriedem | ack | 21:22 |
| dansmith | #topic Stuck reviews | 21:22 |
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| dansmith | I see nothing in here.. | 21:22 |
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| dansmith | #topic Open Discussion | 21:23 |
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| dansmith | who has something to discuss openly? | 21:23 |
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| clarkb | I will also mention that the other issue we have had recently is memory pressure. It might be nice if someone from within nova could poke around and see if nova can go on a cheap diet | 21:23 |
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| clarkb | (I know python makes this hard, if only we could mark the memory pages as mergeable) | 21:24 |
| dansmith | clarkb: wait until I'm running 3x separate conductors for cells | 21:24 |
| dansmith | although I'm going to do that on the subnode for the multinode case, which will help things | 21:24 |
| dansmith | but the single node one may get a little fatter, depending | 21:24 |
| clarkb | heat apparently had good results putting heat on a diet so I figure chances are there are things we can improve elsewhere | 21:25 |
| dansmith | #help Infra looking for ways to get nova to hit the gym and eat right to slim down a bit | 21:25 |
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| clarkb | remember when you could run devstack with 1GB of memory? | 21:25 |
| * clarkb remembers | 21:25 | |
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| dansmith | heh | 21:25 |
| dansmith | okay anything else for open discussion? | 21:26 |
| mriedem | end it | 21:26 |
| dansmith | #endmeeting | 21:27 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 30 21:27:02 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:27 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2017/nova.2017-03-30-21.00.html | 21:27 |
| bauzas | aye | 21:27 |
| dansmith | man, bot is slow today | 21:27 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2017/nova.2017-03-30-21.00.txt | 21:27 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2017/nova.2017-03-30-21.00.log.html | 21:27 |
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| kevinbenton | hello! | 22:01 |
| mlavalle | o/ | 22:01 |
| ihrachys | o/ | 22:01 |
| llu | o/ | 22:01 |
| amotoki | hi | 22:01 |
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| kevinbenton | #startmeeting neutron_drivers | 22:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 30 22:01:59 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is kevinbenton. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 22:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 22:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_drivers' | 22:02 |
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| kevinbenton | #topic meeting time | 22:02 |
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| kevinbenton | armando has disappeared | 22:02 |
| mlavalle | he is in the Neutron channel | 22:03 |
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| kevinbenton | amotoki: going any earlier around this time is too early for you, correct? | 22:03 |
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| kevinbenton | amotoki: we would need to go at least 8 hours backwards? | 22:04 |
| kevinbenton | backwards == earlier | 22:04 |
| amotoki | kevinbenton: 7 or 8 hours | 22:04 |
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| ihrachys | which is fine by me ;) | 22:04 |
| kevinbenton | and I think 8AM was an issue for Armando | 22:04 |
| kevinbenton | 8AM PST | 22:04 |
| amotoki | 6 hours earlier than now. | 22:05 |
| mlavalle | On Thursday's I chair the L3 meeting at 1500UTC, that is my only constraint | 22:05 |
| ihrachys | 6h is 9am | 22:05 |
| kevinbenton | so we would need either 1400UTC on Thu or 1500UTC otherwise | 22:06 |
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| kevinbenton | amotoki: or is 1500UTC too late? | 22:06 |
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| amotoki | no | 22:06 |
| amotoki | it is 12am | 22:06 |
| amotoki | I am okay with 16UTC too | 22:06 |
| mlavalle | kevinbenton: 1500 UTC doesn't work form me | 22:06 |
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| kevinbenton | mlavalle: right, we would change the day | 22:06 |
| mlavalle | kevinbenton: perfect | 22:06 |
| kevinbenton | let's come back to this once armax is back | 22:06 |
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| kevinbenton | #topic RFE's | 22:07 |
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| kevinbenton | i think we're getting close to the end of the list | 22:07 |
| kevinbenton | #link #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bugs?field.status%3Alist=Triaged&field.tag=rfe | 22:07 |
| kevinbenton | #link #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bugs?field.status%3Alist=Triaged&field.tag=rfe | 22:07 |
| kevinbenton | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bugs?field.status%3Alist=Triaged&field.tag=rfe | 22:07 |
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| kevinbenton | paste disaster :) | 22:07 |
| kevinbenton | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1633280 | 22:08 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1633280 in neutron "[RFE]need a way to disable anti-spoofing rules and yet keep security groups" [Wishlist,Triaged] | 22:08 |
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| * ihrachys sets some RFEs to Triaged ;) | 22:08 | |
| armax | yello | 22:08 |
| kevinbenton | I reckon we should transition this one to incomplete? | 22:08 |
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| kevinbenton | armax: hello! | 22:08 |
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| ihrachys | kevinbenton: yes, to signal we wait on the answert | 22:08 |
| armax | sorry I am late | 22:08 |
| kevinbenton | armax: at end of meeting we are going to try to reschedule drivers so get your calendar ready | 22:09 |
| armax | aye | 22:09 |
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| armax | at the moment my calendar is a huge mess | 22:09 |
| armax | you don’t wanna know | 22:09 |
| armax | anyhow | 22:09 |
| kevinbenton | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1639566 | 22:09 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1639566 in neutron "[RFE] Add support for local SNAT" [Wishlist,Triaged] | 22:09 |
| armax | regarding bug | 22:09 |
| armax | 1633280 | 22:09 |
| kevinbenton | #undo | 22:09 |
| openstack | Removing item from minutes: #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1639566 | 22:09 |
| kevinbenton | armax: go ahead | 22:10 |
| armax | yeah, I was gonna say incomplete sounds good :) | 22:10 |
| kevinbenton | armax: ok :) | 22:10 |
| kevinbenton | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1639566 | 22:10 |
| armax | I mean if the use case is unclear | 22:10 |
| armax | we can’t do much about it | 22:10 |
| amotoki | me too on use case. I wonder allowed-address-pair does not work as kevin mentioned too | 22:10 |
| kevinbenton | so for DVR SNAT at compute I think we are going to need some kind of devref or something to see how it could be done in an uninvasive fashion | 22:11 |
| armax | regarding bug 1639566 I would rather not conflate the fast exist and the distrbuted snat case | 22:11 |
| openstack | bug 1639566 in neutron "[RFE] Add support for local SNAT" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1639566 | 22:11 |
| kevinbenton | right | 22:11 |
| kevinbenton | fast exit is not the same thing | 22:11 |
| armax | because they are not the same thing | 22:11 |
| armax | as for the distributed SNAT | 22:11 |
| armax | kevin and I ‘talked’ about this | 22:12 |
| armax | talked as in argued | 22:12 |
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| mlavalle | LOL | 22:12 |
| armax | from the comments on the bug report | 22:12 |
| armax | it seems the submitter has code he put together | 22:12 |
| kevinbenton | well i think we agree that the use case is clear but the implementation might be a mess with the current code | 22:12 |
| ihrachys | I recollect there was some fist fight prev meeting | 22:12 |
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| kevinbenton | armax: do you agree? | 22:13 |
| armax | kevinbenton is warm to the idea, I am not | 22:13 |
| armax | kevinbenton: on that I agree | 22:13 |
| kevinbenton | armax: but you're only against it because of the implementation detail questions, not because of the use case | 22:13 |
| armax | the problem stems from the fact that the code integration may look messy or based off an old version of neutron | 22:13 |
| armax | well | 22:13 |
| armax | not just that to be honest | 22:13 |
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| armax | I think this boils down to the nature of recommendation one makes to solve the SNAT problem | 22:14 |
| armax | and the SPOF that comes with it | 22:14 |
| armax | there’s more than one solution | 22:14 |
| kevinbenton | also resource utilization | 22:15 |
| armax | no perfect one | 22:15 |
| kevinbenton | local SNAT is the only way to avoid bottlenecks | 22:15 |
| armax | over the various iterations there was large consensus to stick to a single recommendation | 22:15 |
| armax | which was HA+DVR | 22:15 |
| mlavalle | the SPOF being the local SNAT? | 22:15 |
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| armax | mlavalle: right | 22:15 |
| kevinbenton | armax: what? | 22:15 |
| armax | what what? | 22:15 |
| kevinbenton | armax: if local SNAT fails, it's only for the instances on that same node | 22:15 |
| kevinbenton | armax: which would have failed as well | 22:16 |
| armax | correct | 22:16 |
| kevinbenton | shared fate | 22:16 |
| armax | I mean you can address the SPOF by either distributing the SNAT over the compute nodes involved or the network nodes involved | 22:16 |
| armax | the failure domain is still different between the two | 22:16 |
| armax | in one case it affects all VMs behind the routers running on the network node affected | 22:17 |
| kevinbenton | right, with HA you depend on HA and compute node not failing | 22:17 |
| kevinbenton | with local SNAT, you just depend on compute node not failing | 22:17 |
| armax | in the other it affects all the VMs behind running the compute node affected | 22:17 |
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| kevinbenton | the other issue is bandwidth utilization efficiency | 22:18 |
| kevinbenton | which is really poor with routing to a network node | 22:18 |
| armax | I’d say let’s not spend the entire hour on this bug | 22:18 |
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| armax | bottom line is: | 22:18 |
| armax | if the author of the ticket feels like proposing the change against master | 22:19 |
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| armax | we can look at the damage and assess what to do | 22:19 |
| kevinbenton | ok | 22:19 |
| armax | past experience tells me this is going to be a full bag of hairy <add your choice of word> | 22:19 |
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| armax | so I feel it’s gonna be a frustrating experience for everybody involved | 22:20 |
| kevinbenton | ok, i left a comment | 22:20 |
| armax | but I am usually pessimistic so don’t take me too literally | 22:20 |
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| kevinbenton | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1649909 | 22:21 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1649909 in neutron "[RFE] Domain-defined RBAC" [Wishlist,Triaged] | 22:21 |
| armax | kevinbenton: so long as you’re aware that throwing a patch over the wall is only the first femto step | 22:21 |
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| kevinbenton | based on the feedback in that patch, it sounds like domain_ids are effectively static | 22:22 |
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| armax | and that to see the whole thing through the finishing line is a giant effort | 22:22 |
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| armax | we should warn the contributor before he busts his rearhand | 22:22 |
| kevinbenton | armax: please comment on the RFE if you don't think my comment communicated that well enough | 22:23 |
| armax | I am | 22:23 |
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| kevinbenton | is anyone against https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1649909 | 22:24 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1649909 in neutron "[RFE] Domain-defined RBAC" [Wishlist,Triaged] | 22:24 |
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| amotoki | looks good | 22:24 |
| kevinbenton | we basically need a new column | 22:25 |
| ihrachys | +, I think we could unblock that without a spec or anything and just allow the contributor to tinker | 22:25 |
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| ihrachys | this is ofc a new extension, but we know how to do them right now | 22:25 |
| kevinbenton | +1 | 22:26 |
| mlavalle | looks good to me as well | 22:26 |
| kevinbenton | ihrachys: can you trigger the magic state machine to approve it? :) | 22:26 |
| mlavalle | new colum in networkrbacs, right? | 22:26 |
| kevinbenton | mlavalle: yes | 22:26 |
| ihrachys | kevinbenton: sure, I will consult the Old Books first | 22:26 |
| kevinbenton | mlavalle: we should probably do it for QoS too | 22:26 |
| mlavalle | ok | 22:27 |
| kevinbenton | since the logic will be the same and they use the same API | 22:27 |
| kevinbenton | #link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsZSXav4wI8 | 22:27 |
| amotoki | new column for RBAC table (perhas either type or domain_id) | 22:27 |
| kevinbenton | spacex rocket launch | 22:27 |
| kevinbenton | :) | 22:27 |
| mlavalle | ah live! | 22:27 |
| mlavalle | is it the re-used rocket? | 22:28 |
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| kevinbenton | yep | 22:29 |
| kevinbenton | first one | 22:29 |
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| kevinbenton | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1650678 | 22:29 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1650678 in neutron "[RFE] Allow specifying dns_domain when creating a port" [Wishlist,Triaged] | 22:29 |
| kevinbenton | so mlavalle, you're familiar with the dns code :) | 22:29 |
| kevinbenton | how difficult would that be to implement | 22:29 |
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| mlavalle | The submitter clarfied his use case | 22:29 |
| kevinbenton | it seems like a clear use case at this point | 22:29 |
| mlavalle | he wants all vm's on a provider network | 22:29 |
| mlavalle | so it makes sense to allow dns_domain by port | 22:29 |
| mlavalle | we do it for fips already | 22:30 |
| mlavalle | so it is not a very big deal | 22:30 |
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| amotoki | my thought is same. I don't see any negative side so far | 22:30 |
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| kevinbenton | do we need a new DB column to store this? | 22:30 |
| kevinbenton | or is it just a matter of carrying info from the API straight to the DB | 22:31 |
| mlavalle | we already have a table to carry the ports dns informatio | 22:31 |
| mlavalle | so we can add it there | 22:31 |
| kevinbenton | ok | 22:31 |
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| mlavalle | and then update the interaction with the external DNS driver to take that into consideration | 22:31 |
| kevinbenton | so i think we can approve the RFE, but is the submitter going to work on it? | 22:32 |
| mlavalle | The pots dns_domain would have priority over the network's | 22:32 |
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| mlavalle | we can ask him | 22:32 |
| ihrachys | armax: what's the final state of a RFE bug after rfe-approved is set? it's not clear from the docs. | 22:33 |
| kevinbenton | if not, maybe this would be a good feature for a newer contributor to pick up since it sounds relatively isolated | 22:33 |
| mlavalle | yep and I can supervise | 22:33 |
| kevinbenton | let's set to rfe-approved for this one as well | 22:33 |
| ihrachys | + | 22:34 |
| armax | hang on | 22:34 |
| armax | got distracted | 22:35 |
| armax | which bug? | 22:35 |
| armax | oh | 22:35 |
| ihrachys | I had a question about rbac https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1649909 | 22:35 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1649909 in neutron "[RFE] Domain-defined RBAC" [Wishlist,In progress] | 22:35 |
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| kevinbenton | ihrachys: go ahead | 22:35 |
| ihrachys | and the proposal is to approve dns_domain one https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1650678 | 22:35 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1650678 in neutron "[RFE] Allow specifying dns_domain when creating a port" [Wishlist,Triaged] | 22:35 |
| armax | ihrachys: once an RFE is approved | 22:35 |
| armax | we create a blueprint and we start tracking the effort | 22:36 |
| ihrachys | armax: who's creating it? | 22:36 |
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| armax | ihrachys: it’s in here | 22:36 |
| armax | https://docs.openstack.org/developer/neutron/policies/blueprints.html#neutron-request-for-feature-enhancements | 22:36 |
| ihrachys | "A member of the Neutron release team (or the PTL)" | 22:37 |
| ihrachys | ok | 22:37 |
| armax | a member of the release team or drivers team | 22:37 |
| armax | but I can do it | 22:37 |
| armax | leave it with me | 22:37 |
| ihrachys | armax: and so we keep the bug in Triaged once we set rfe-approved? | 22:37 |
| kevinbenton | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1658682 | 22:38 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1658682 in neutron "port-security can't be disabled if security groups are not enabled" [Wishlist,Triaged] | 22:38 |
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| armax | ihrachys: it doesn’t matter | 22:38 |
| armax | the bug will go to in progress as soon as patches are being filed against | 22:38 |
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| kevinbenton | it's not clear to me what the ask is here | 22:39 |
| kevinbenton | is it just to allow disabling port security if security groups are shut off? | 22:39 |
| armax | personally here I think it’s time to kill the config option | 22:39 |
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| armax | enable_security_group | 22:39 |
| armax | it has outlived its purpose | 22:39 |
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| kevinbenton | armax: it sounds like that's the opposite of what they want | 22:39 |
| armax | tough luck | 22:40 |
| armax | disabling security groups globally is an abuse | 22:40 |
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| armax | and it was a stop gap when nova-net was the 800 lbs gorrila | 22:40 |
| armax | gorilla | 22:40 |
| ihrachys | well it would still be a conforming implementation; it's just that we may not want to support that for ml2 | 22:40 |
| armax | today we must API-drive all the things | 22:40 |
| amotoki | port-security and the config option conflict. IIRC the option was introduced when a security group feature was introduced. we had enough confident on that | 22:41 |
| kevinbenton | then i think we should close this RFE as "won't fix" | 22:41 |
| kevinbenton | because any fix will be invalid right when we remove the option to disable it | 22:41 |
| kevinbenton | it == security groups | 22:41 |
| armax | kevinbenton: it depends if you agree with me | 22:42 |
| armax | I mean, I don’t think that a global flag to disable security is a reasonable option anymore | 22:42 |
| amotoki | +1 to Won't fix. also do we deprecate enable_sg option? | 22:42 |
| kevinbenton | yeah, from a cross cloud behavior standpoint disabling SGs isn't good | 22:43 |
| armax | amotoki: deprecating the option is gonna be interesting | 22:43 |
| kevinbenton | so I'm okay with "Won't Fix" | 22:43 |
| armax | because the alternative once the option goes away is gonna be use the API to disable security groups on your port | 22:43 |
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| kevinbenton | i suspect this will bring back the "allow changing default security group" discussion :) | 22:44 |
| armax | which is something the admin can’t be involved in | 22:44 |
| armax | that’s a good point | 22:45 |
| armax | the problem is | 22:45 |
| kevinbenton | ok, armax please mark Won't Fix | 22:45 |
| armax | the answer to that is FWaaS | 22:45 |
| ihrachys | are we ok silently enabling that for all ports on upgrade? sounds like a tough thing to do for ops. | 22:45 |
| armax | but there’s no model to relax security then | 22:45 |
| armax | kevinbenton: hang on, let’s discuss a bit more about this | 22:45 |
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| armax | kevinbenton: that’s probably an excellent topic for the forum | 22:45 |
| amotoki | ihrachys: good point | 22:45 |
| armax | wink wink | 22:45 |
| armax | make note | 22:46 |
| kevinbenton | #action kevinbenton to propose forum topic about security groups | 22:46 |
| armax | we should probably mumble on this one a tad longer | 22:46 |
| ihrachys | that note will die in vain here | 22:46 |
| amotoki | at least users can know whether sg is enabled or not through extension list | 22:46 |
| kevinbenton | amotoki: true, it is discoverable | 22:47 |
| armax | ihrachys: will or will not? | 22:47 |
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| ihrachys | it probably will, no one follows up on actions in irc logs :) | 22:47 |
| armax | ihrachys: come on, have faith | 22:48 |
| armax | :) | 22:48 |
| ihrachys | shall we move on then? | 22:48 |
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| kevinbenton | yes | 22:49 |
| armax | yeah, this needs more thinking | 22:49 |
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| kevinbenton | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1658682 | 22:49 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1658682 in neutron "port-security can't be disabled if security groups are not enabled" [Wishlist,Triaged] | 22:49 |
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| ihrachys | kevinbenton: oops? | 22:50 |
| ihrachys | should be mtu right | 22:50 |
| kevinbenton | yes | 22:50 |
| armax | muuu | 22:50 |
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| kevinbenton | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1671634 | 22:50 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1671634 in neutron "[RFE] Allow to set MTU for networks" [Wishlist,Triaged] - Assigned to Ihar Hrachyshka (ihar-hrachyshka) | 22:50 |
| kevinbenton | +1 from me on this one | 22:50 |
| ihrachys | it's my baby so I better listen to others | 22:50 |
| kevinbenton | Ihar removed the column, he can re-add it :) | 22:50 |
| ihrachys | tl;dr allow to POST mtu on networks | 22:50 |
| kevinbenton | excercise our migration scripts | 22:51 |
| armax | hang on | 22:51 |
| ihrachys | there are follow up items in MTU world that are not covered by that RFE | 22:51 |
| amotoki | me too. one thing to note is we need to check MTU specified to user should be smaller than system max | 22:51 |
| armax | you want to allow POST to tenants? | 22:51 |
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| ihrachys | amotoki: that's ofc a must | 22:51 |
| armax | to me this is a huge breach of abstraction | 22:51 |
| ihrachys | armax: yes, as long as you go down the max | 22:51 |
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| kevinbenton | armax: MTUs are directly exposed to tenants | 22:52 |
| ihrachys | armax: abstraction as in - you don't know what mtu you will get? | 22:52 |
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| armax | ihrachys: you have not elaborated why this is useful | 22:52 |
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| ihrachys | armax: 2nd sentence and beyond | 22:52 |
| armax | why would a user care? | 22:52 |
| ihrachys | in lp | 22:52 |
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| amotoki | even if we don't allow users to specify MTU, user can set MTU manually if they want to use larger MTU (something like 8950) | 22:53 |
| armax | what are these custom workloads? | 22:53 |
| ihrachys | two cases 1) workload assumes some MTU for its unknown reasons (maybe their VNF is picky); 2) users want to get the same MTU for all its networks | 22:53 |
| kevinbenton | so using an MTU larger than 1500 on the internet can bring pain | 22:53 |
| armax | don’t get me wrong | 22:53 |
| amotoki | sometimes we cannot get full throughput with 1500 MTU | 22:53 |
| armax | I am not reluctant to the idea | 22:53 |
| kevinbenton | some people don't want web servers to have a 8000 MTU | 22:54 |
| armax | I am just thinking that more choice and traspanrency is not necessarily a good thing | 22:54 |
| amotoki | but for internet connection 1500 MTU is needed, so we cannot advertise larger MTU thru dhcp | 22:54 |
| kevinbenton | because if there are dropped ICMP size exceeded in the network, it leads to bad performance | 22:54 |
| kevinbenton | armax: there is no more transparency | 22:54 |
| kevinbenton | armax: same as before | 22:54 |
| kevinbenton | MTU is user visible | 22:54 |
| armax | if I am the only one on the fence here, than it’s fine | 22:55 |
| ihrachys | custom workloads being e.g. something VNF-y that chews frames in some hardware offloaded way that relies on specific limitations of NICs exposed into it. | 22:55 |
| armax | kevinbenton: true | 22:55 |
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| armax | but the user can’t do anything to it | 22:55 |
| ihrachys | amotoki: we can, l3 layer will deal with fragmentation | 22:55 |
| armax | right? | 22:55 |
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| kevinbenton | armax: yes, that's the issue. we force MTU on all users | 22:55 |
| ihrachys | armax: I hear from customers the same "silly" question - how do I get 1500 for all my networks? | 22:55 |
| armax | it’s mainly informational in case the guest needs to do something related to the MTU | 22:55 |
| kevinbenton | armax: and are even trying to get rid of the ability to stop advertising | 22:55 |
| kevinbenton | armax: every guest needs to use the correct MTU | 22:56 |
| amotoki | ihrachys: ah, router reassembles packets to smaller MTU if larger packets come in? | 22:56 |
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| ihrachys | armax: it's not only informational. l3 agent will fragment incoming traffic into chunks as per calculated MTU | 22:56 |
| ihrachys | if your instance is not ready to consume those, tough life | 22:56 |
| kevinbenton | ihrachys: fragmentation sucks if it happens somewhere else in the network | 22:56 |
| armax | L3 agents is not something the user even see | 22:56 |
| ihrachys | amotoki: yes, it does fragment | 22:56 |
| kevinbenton | ihrachys: see my point about dropped ICMP messages | 22:56 |
| ihrachys | armax: right. neither they see traffic fragmented using MTU that is larger than you configured your instance for :) | 22:57 |
| armax | I suppose as a user and owner of a logical network I may want to control the whole thing, MTU included | 22:57 |
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| kevinbenton | yes | 22:57 |
| armax | but then why was it admin only in the first place? | 22:57 |
| kevinbenton | we need to move on to figure out meeting time for next week | 22:58 |
| ihrachys | because it allowed to go beyond what infrastructure supports | 22:58 |
| ihrachys | ok let's discuss time | 22:58 |
| armax | kevinbenton: actually we have time | 22:58 |
| armax | because I am gonna have to skip the next two anyway | 22:58 |
| kevinbenton | armax: you're permanently skipping the rest? | 22:58 |
| kevinbenton | if not, you better provide feedback | 22:58 |
| kevinbenton | #topic meeting time | 22:59 |
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| armax | no, I mean I can’t attend the next two occurrences | 22:59 |
| kevinbenton | 1400 UTC on thursday or 1500 UTC another day | 22:59 |
| kevinbenton | armax: do either of those work? | 22:59 |
| kevinbenton | armax: for you | 22:59 |
| armax | right now I can do 11am PDT | 22:59 |
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| kevinbenton | not even close | 22:59 |
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| kevinbenton | can you do any early mornings any day of the week? | 23:00 |
| armax | nah | 23:00 |
| kevinbenton | ok, then i think we're at a deadlock and will need to keep the current time for now | 23:00 |
| armax | this early is difficult for me | 23:00 |
| kevinbenton | ihrachys: can you survive for now? | 23:00 |
| ihrachys | survive is a good word | 23:00 |
| armax | I have other meetings or have to drop my daugther to school | 23:00 |
| armax | and I can’t type | 23:00 |
| ihrachys | I am used to survival, since Europe. | 23:01 |
| kevinbenton | ok | 23:01 |
| armax | morning slots are pretty much booked for me at the moment | 23:01 |
| kevinbenton | so for now i think the only time that people can all show up is now | 23:01 |
| armax | like 8-10am | 23:01 |
| ihrachys | ok | 23:01 |
| armax | local time | 23:01 |
| kevinbenton | #info meeting time to stay the same | 23:01 |
| kevinbenton | #endmeeting | 23:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 30 23:01:47 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 23:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2017/neutron_drivers.2017-03-30-22.01.html | 23:01 |
| mlavalle | o/ | 23:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2017/neutron_drivers.2017-03-30-22.01.txt | 23:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2017/neutron_drivers.2017-03-30-22.01.log.html | 23:01 |
| amotoki | it seem I should go to bed early so that i can get up early friday morning :) | 23:02 |
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| mlavalle | amotoki: Thanks for the effort :-) | 23:02 |
| kevinbenton | amotoki: yeah, sorry about that :) | 23:02 |
| armax | do we want to do a doodle | 23:02 |
| armax | ? | 23:03 |
| amotoki | no problem. will try | 23:03 |
| kevinbenton | armax: sure | 23:03 |
| kevinbenton | i'll put up a doodle | 23:03 |
| armax | it’s probably easier | 23:03 |
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| armax | though we’re subject to the random conflict, I guess it’ll give us better visibility | 23:03 |
| armax | into where we can all meet | 23:04 |
| mlavalle | good suggestion | 23:04 |
| armax | kevinbenton: look at the entire week | 23:04 |
| armax | including Saturday and Sunday :P | 23:04 |
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| armax | kevinbenton: you’re gonna shre the URL here? | 23:05 |
| armax | or on the ML? | 23:05 |
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| kevinbenton | armax: i'll email you directly | 23:06 |
| armax | but it’s just not me is it? | 23:07 |
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