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| andreykurilin | #startmeeting Rally | 14:14 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Mar 27 14:14:52 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is andreykurilin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:14 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:14 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Rally)" | 14:14 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'rally' | 14:14 |
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| andreykurilin | hi everyone! | 14:15 |
| chenhb_ | hi | 14:15 |
| rallydev-bot2 | [From Gitter] tohin : hi | 14:15 |
| rallydev-bot2 | [From Gitter] astarove : hi | 14:15 |
| rallydev-bot2 | [From Gitter] shihai1991 : hi | 14:15 |
| andreykurilin | #topic Branches in Rally | 14:16 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Branches in Rally (Meeting topic: Rally)" | 14:16 | |
| andreykurilin | We do not have any branches except "master" branch | 14:16 |
| andreykurilin | In general, it is ok | 14:16 |
| andreykurilin | but sometimes, we discover critical bug in latest release, but cannot do a new one, since new serias of patches start merging and master branch becomes in a not-finished state | 14:18 |
| andreykurilin | for example, we start merging changes in API, which are backward incompatible. Such changes should be released in one version to reduce pain | 14:18 |
| andreykurilin | and now we cannot release new version of Rally | 14:18 |
| rallydev-bot2 | [From Gitter] astarove : well, we can use two branches^ master or release and development. In this case all critical changes can be fixed on release branch | 14:19 |
| rallydev-bot2 | [From Gitter] astarove : [edit] well, we can use two branches: master or release and development. In this case all critical changes can be fixed on release branch | 14:19 |
| andreykurilin | yes, we will have several branches now | 14:20 |
| rallydev-bot2 | [From Gitter] astarove : so we will develop new features on DEV branch and merge tested patches on RELEASE branch | 14:20 |
| andreykurilin | master branch will still be our main branch | 14:20 |
| rallydev-bot2 | [From Gitter] shihai1991 : But we need human to maintain two branches. | 14:20 |
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| chenhb_ | we can create development branch for new,feature | 14:21 |
| andreykurilin | let's leave master branch for active development and latest release will occure from it | 14:21 |
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| rallydev-bot2 | [From Gitter] astarove : also I propose to create stand-alone branches for each critical fix to make sure what master branch is always in good condition | 14:22 |
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| andreykurilin | and create additional branch each time when we release new rally version. For example, after releasing 0.9.0, we should create stable/0.9 branch | 14:22 |
| andreykurilin | First, fixes will be merged to master branch and than they will be backported to stable/x.y branch | 14:22 |
| andreykurilin | it will allow to deliver 0.9.1 with bug-fixes only | 14:23 |
| andreykurilin | astarove: each critical fix should land to master branch asap without additional branches :) | 14:24 |
| rallydev-bot2 | [From Gitter] astarove : i hope what there is just one critical issue or less on release, so you're right :) | 14:25 |
| andreykurilin | shihai1991: maintaining two branches will not take much himan-resources, since we will have only one main branch and all fixes will be accepted via it (merge to master branch as a first step, that backport to stable branch) | 14:25 |
| rallydev-bot2 | [From Gitter] shihai1991 : ok, it's fine to me. | 14:25 |
| andreykurilin | astarove: yes, there should not be two much critical bug-fixes | 14:26 |
| andreykurilin | *too much | 14:26 |
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| andreykurilin | for 0.9.0 we have one critical bug fix. `rally verify rerun` is totally broken now. | 14:27 |
| chenhb_ | we need to change install_rally.sh for stable branch | 14:27 |
| andreykurilin | chenhb_: What do you mean? A new flag to download a latest stable branch? | 14:27 |
| chenhb_ | yes | 14:28 |
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| andreykurilin | chenhb_: I think we can add flag to download latest tag | 14:29 |
| andreykurilin | stable branches should not have unreleased thing | 14:29 |
| rallydev-bot2 | [From Gitter] tohin : we have --branch option in rally_install.sh | 14:29 |
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| rallydev-bot2 | [From Gitter] tohin : with default to "master" | 14:29 |
| chenhb_ | greate | 14:30 |
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| chenhb_ | we can use --branch | 14:30 |
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| andreykurilin | So I hope that I'll find the way how to create new branches via openstack/releases repo and will create a first our branch | 14:30 |
| andreykurilin | hope it will happen soon | 14:31 |
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| andreykurilin | There is only one open question - should we support the only last major release or two last major releases? | 14:32 |
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| andreykurilin | I prefer to only support only the last | 14:32 |
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| rallydev-bot2 | [From Gitter] astarove : it's easy but... | 14:32 |
| rallydev-bot2 | [From Gitter] tohin : I think the last one is enought | 14:33 |
| rallydev-bot2 | [From Gitter] tohin : [edit] I think the last one is enough | 14:33 |
| chenhb_ | agree | 14:33 |
| rallydev-bot2 | [From Gitter] shihai1991 : +1 | 14:33 |
| andreykurilin | cool :) | 14:33 |
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| andreykurilin | it is less painful | 14:34 |
| rallydev-bot2 | [From Gitter] astarove : users should have some time to adopt new functionality | 14:34 |
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| andreykurilin | #topic i18n support in Rally | 14:34 |
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| andreykurilin | ok, we start using oslo.i18n library long time ago | 14:35 |
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| andreykurilin | Also, we made a rule to use `_()` things everywhere | 14:35 |
| andreykurilin | But translations were not even enabled for our project :( | 14:35 |
| andreykurilin | even more, it looks like some of things should not be translated anymore - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/447886/ | 14:36 |
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| andreykurilin | I need a volunteer who can spend some time for investigation of howto enable translation for Rally project | 14:37 |
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| andreykurilin | ok, I'll add it as a task to our trello board... | 14:38 |
| andreykurilin | #topic Open discussions | 14:38 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open discussions (Meeting topic: Rally)" | 14:38 | |
| andreykurilin | any topics to discuss? | 14:38 |
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| andreykurilin | okay | 14:39 |
| rallydev-bot2 | [From Gitter] shihai1991 : no topic from my side. | 14:40 |
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| andreykurilin | thanks for participation! | 14:40 |
| andreykurilin | bye | 14:40 |
| andreykurilin | #endmeeting | 14:40 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 14:40 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Mar 27 14:40:15 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:40 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2017/rally.2017-03-27-14.14.html | 14:40 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2017/rally.2017-03-27-14.14.txt | 14:40 |
| rallydev-bot2 | [From Gitter] astarove : bye | 14:40 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2017/rally.2017-03-27-14.14.log.html | 14:40 |
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| lennyb | #startmeeting third-party | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Mar 27 15:00:15 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is lennyb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: third-party)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'third_party' | 15:00 |
| lennyb | Hello | 15:00 |
| lennyb | pots, just for the record here, there is a jenkins plugin#link https://plugins.jenkins.io/singleuseslave for single slave usage | 15:01 |
| lennyb | #link https://plugins.jenkins.io/singleuseslave | 15:01 |
| lennyb | very handy with nodepool in case you are using jenkins | 15:01 |
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| mmedvede | o/ | 15:08 |
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| lennyb | hi mmedvede, how are you? | 15:08 |
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| mmedvede | lennyb: hey lennyb, I am good. I got no topics for today | 15:10 |
| lennyb | mmedvede, I have one #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/diskimage-builder/+bug/1676462 | 15:11 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1676462 in diskimage-builder "minimal-centos missing yumdownloader" [Undecided,New] | 15:11 |
| lennyb | I am facing issues creating centos-minimal. any ideas/tips? | 15:11 |
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| pabelanger | lennyb: you need to install it on your build host | 15:12 |
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| pabelanger | yum-utils | 15:13 |
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| lennyb | papelanger, in which phase? it seems to fail very early | 15:13 |
| pabelanger | lennyb: because you run disk-image-create | 15:13 |
| pabelanger | it is a build host dependency | 15:13 |
| pabelanger | before* | 15:13 |
| lennyb | papelanger, can I run it in a different way other than disk-image-create? | 15:14 |
| asselin | o/ | 15:14 |
| pabelanger | lennyb: not sure I understand | 15:14 |
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| lennyb | papelanger, neither do I :(. I need to build minimal centos vm image, what is the best way to do so? | 15:15 |
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| lennyb | hi asselin | 15:15 |
| pabelanger | apt-get install yum-utils; disk-image-create centos-minimal | 15:15 |
| pabelanger | you are doing it correctly | 15:15 |
| pabelanger | you just need to install the runtime packages for disk-image-create | 15:16 |
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| asselin | nice jenkins plugin....very nice alternative to messing with zuul layout.yaml configurations on per-job level | 15:16 |
| lennyb | papelanger, you mean install it on my host, where I am running the disk-image-create? | 15:16 |
| pabelanger | lennyb: correct | 15:16 |
| lennyb | papelanger, thanks, I will check it. | 15:17 |
| lennyb | any other issues for this meeting? | 15:17 |
| lennyb | asselin, nice plugin indeed, saved us a lot of headache | 15:17 |
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| asselin | probably worthwhile to include here by default: http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/puppet-openstackci/tree/manifests/jenkins_master.pp | 15:20 |
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| lennyb | nice idea, there are some more plugins that we use, I will propose it as well | 15:21 |
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| lennyb | papelanger, thanks, It worked, the documentations was not clear enough ( at least for me ) | 15:23 |
| lennyb | If there is nothing more, I will close the meeting, | 15:24 |
| lennyb | asselin, pabelanger, mmedvede, thanks for coming | 15:24 |
| mmedvede | thx lennyb | 15:24 |
| asselin | bye | 15:24 |
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| lennyb | #endmeeting | 15:25 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Mar 27 15:25:03 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:25 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2017/third_party.2017-03-27-15.00.html | 15:25 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2017/third_party.2017-03-27-15.00.txt | 15:25 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2017/third_party.2017-03-27-15.00.log.html | 15:25 |
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| shamail | hi all | 18:04 |
| ShillaSaebi | hello | 18:04 |
| shamail | #startmeeting uc | 18:04 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Mar 27 18:04:36 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is shamail. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:04 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: uc)" | 18:04 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'uc' | 18:04 |
| shamail | #chair ShillaSaebi | 18:04 |
| openstack | Current chairs: ShillaSaebi shamail | 18:04 |
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| shamail | Agenda for today | 18:05 |
| shamail | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/Foundation/UserCommittee | 18:05 |
| ShillaSaebi | great | 18:05 |
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| shamail | #topic Recap UC Session at the Ops Meetup | 18:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Recap UC Session at the Ops Meetup (Meeting topic: uc)" | 18:05 | |
| * shamail is in two meetings at once so might be a bit slow | 18:05 | |
| ShillaSaebi | anyone else here for the UC meeting? | 18:06 |
| shamail | Good Q :) | 18:06 |
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| shamail | No responses, thoughts ShillaSaebi? Do we continue or postpone? | 18:07 |
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| ShillaSaebi | Shamail, I think we're early | 18:07 |
| ShillaSaebi | daylight savings | 18:07 |
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| MeganR | Hi Shamail and Shilla | 18:07 |
| shamail | oh | 18:07 |
| shamail | doh | 18:07 |
| ShillaSaebi | hehee | 18:08 |
| MeganR | Edgar's email said 1900 :) | 18:08 |
| ShillaSaebi | hi MeganR | 18:08 |
| shamail | so its +1 hour? | 18:08 |
| ShillaSaebi | yeah 1900 is correct | 18:08 |
| shamail | yea | 18:08 |
| shamail | I’ll end, sorry! | 18:08 |
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| ShillaSaebi | haha no worries! we shall reconvene in 52 min | 18:08 |
| MeganR | yes, I'm still playing scheduling catch-up :) | 18:08 |
| shamail | #endmeeting | 18:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 18:08 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Mar 27 18:08:42 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:08 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/uc/2017/uc.2017-03-27-18.04.html | 18:08 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/uc/2017/uc.2017-03-27-18.04.txt | 18:08 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/uc/2017/uc.2017-03-27-18.04.log.html | 18:08 |
| shamail | Cya in 52 min :) | 18:08 |
| shamail | I might be 30 min late, conflict every week at the new 1900 UTC | 18:09 |
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| ShillaSaebi | 1900 UTC | 19:01 |
| emagana | Hello Uc Community! Ready for the meeting | 19:02 |
| jproulx | hello | 19:02 |
| ShillaSaebi | #startmeeting uc | 19:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Mar 27 19:02:08 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ShillaSaebi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: uc)" | 19:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'uc' | 19:02 |
| ShillaSaebi | #chair emagana | 19:02 |
| openstack | Current chairs: ShillaSaebi emagana | 19:02 |
| emagana | You beat me ShillaSaebi | 19:02 |
| emagana | ;-) | 19:02 |
| ShillaSaebi | #chair jproulx | 19:02 |
| openstack | Current chairs: ShillaSaebi emagana jproulx | 19:02 |
| ShillaSaebi | :) | 19:02 |
| ShillaSaebi | hello everyone | 19:02 |
| emagana | actually, I do not ming ShillaSaebi moderating this one :-) | 19:02 |
| AndyU_ | hi all | 19:02 |
| emagana | mind* | 19:03 |
| ShillaSaebi | Shamail may be a few min late | 19:03 |
| ShillaSaebi | he has a conflict since daylight savings | 19:03 |
| jproulx | I saw that we may want to look at a new meeting time since it seems to be a recurring conflict for him | 19:03 |
| emagana | I was thinking to propose to move the meeting back to one hour earlier, to 1800 UTC | 19:04 |
| ShillaSaebi | Agenda for today #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/Foundation/UserCommittee | 19:04 |
| emagana | I have also conflicts | 19:04 |
| ShillaSaebi | ok | 19:04 |
| ShillaSaebi | i am ok with moving it back to 1800 | 19:04 |
| jproulx | 1800 would work for me too | 19:04 |
| emagana | mrhillsman: ? | 19:04 |
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| ShillaSaebi | ok shall we get started | 19:05 |
| ShillaSaebi | #topic Recap UC session at the ops meetup | 19:06 |
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| emagana | That was proposed by mrhillsman | 19:06 |
| emagana | who else attended the Ops Meetup? | 19:06 |
| mrhillsman | i'm here, apologies | 19:06 |
| ShillaSaebi | hi mrhillsman | 19:06 |
| mrhillsman | what was proposed by me hehe | 19:07 |
| mrhillsman | hey ShillaSaebi | 19:07 |
| ShillaSaebi | recapping the UC session at the ops meetup | 19:07 |
| ShillaSaebi | I was not there, anyone here that was there that can jump in? | 19:07 |
| mrhillsman | oh, dang, thought shamail could make it :) | 19:08 |
| mrhillsman | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/MIL-ops-uc | 19:08 |
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| AndyU_ | I was there... thinking... It all kind of blurs together | 19:08 |
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| mrhillsman | key takeaways i think was myself and shamail had some actions by Boston | 19:08 |
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| mrhillsman | i believe shamail was going to be proactive around the wg/team doc | 19:09 |
| mrhillsman | suggesting moving the uc meeting to weekly | 19:09 |
| ShillaSaebi | +1 | 19:09 |
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| mrhillsman | those were the main two | 19:10 |
| jproulx | So proposal is to move UC IRC meeting to be every Monday at 1800 UTC? | 19:10 |
| emagana | I support the idea of weekly meetings and skipping whenever we do not have any topic to discuss.. | 19:11 |
| mrhillsman | an hour earlier works for me | 19:11 |
| mrhillsman | +1 emagana | 19:11 |
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| jproulx | +1 | 19:11 |
| ShillaSaebi | +1 | 19:11 |
| emagana | Just take into account that we have a request for a new WG (Financial) whose chairs are in APAC time zone and we need to think about re-activating the APAC meetings | 19:12 |
| mrhillsman | been sick past few days so pardon if i forget anything | 19:12 |
| KaiLi | Hi emagana | 19:12 |
| ShillaSaebi | #agreed The UC meetings will be on a weekly basis and pushed back to 1800 on Mondays | 19:12 |
| KaiLi | are we in the topic of financial wg? | 19:13 |
| jproulx | who can take the action of fixing up the reservation | 19:13 |
| mrhillsman | i can do that | 19:13 |
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| jproulx | thx mrhillsman | 19:13 |
| mrhillsman | is that the eavesdrop and wiki updates? | 19:13 |
| jproulx | think that it | 19:13 |
| mrhillsman | cool | 19:13 |
| emagana | no yet KaiLi | 19:13 |
| KaiLi | ok:) | 19:14 |
| emagana | Thank you for joining us KaiLi | 19:14 |
| ShillaSaebi | #action mrhillsman to update the wiki and eavesdrop with the new meeting information | 19:14 |
| mrhillsman | ^ | 19:14 |
| KaiLi | :) | 19:14 |
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| ShillaSaebi | ok should we move on to the next topic | 19:15 |
| emagana | yeap! | 19:15 |
| mrhillsman | ^ | 19:15 |
| ShillaSaebi | #topic Discuss mentoring plan for UC members (WG chair pairing, helping new WG members) | 19:15 |
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| emagana | I think that was also suggested by Shamail | 19:16 |
| jproulx | :) | 19:17 |
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| mrhillsman | i think before we can get to that we need to solidify the new wg/team doc | 19:17 |
| mrhillsman | good idea nevertheless | 19:17 |
| ShillaSaebi | ok lets skip until he joins, he will be here soon | 19:17 |
| jproulx | +1 | 19:18 |
| mrhillsman | +1 | 19:18 |
| ShillaSaebi | #topic Review initial draft of official WGs guidelines | 19:18 |
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| ShillaSaebi | has everyone gotten a chance to look at the draft? | 19:18 |
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| jproulx | ...um...no yet... | 19:19 |
| emagana | mrhillsman: IMHO we should discuss the doc here initially but any decision should wait until Boston summit. I rather be in a room with most of the WGs members and discuss. | 19:19 |
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| mrhillsman | agreed | 19:19 |
| mrhillsman | that was for mentoring though | 19:19 |
| jproulx | where is that draft? | 19:20 |
| mrhillsman | i did look over it but quickly | 19:20 |
| AndyU_ | is there a draft available for viewing? | 19:20 |
| emagana | The document needs still a lot of work. Basically, right now only defines WGs and Teams and some general guidelines. I think we should go beyond that and define the expectations from the WGs | 19:20 |
| mrhillsman | meh, paste issues | 19:20 |
| emagana | AndyU_: let me share | 19:21 |
| mrhillsman | #link https://docs.google.com/document/d/1r3KwaG-SbvaKCuAE52XwPCF7cRGDrNRg6dUhPQWs0vU/edit | 19:21 |
| mrhillsman | there you go | 19:21 |
| AndyU_ | thx | 19:21 |
| jproulx | thx | 19:21 |
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| mrhillsman | agreed emagana i pointed out at least a couple places i thought were ambiguous | 19:21 |
| mrhillsman | or up for interpretation | 19:21 |
| emagana | What I want to agree today is the scope of the document | 19:22 |
| mrhillsman | i see tom has added some comments recently :) | 19:22 |
| emagana | a. RE-Define the process for creating WGs | 19:22 |
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| emagana | b. Define minimal structure of WGs | 19:22 |
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| emagana | c. Define expectations and deliverables | 19:22 |
| emagana | d. Guidelines on communication and self-organization | 19:23 |
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| jproulx | we should have a clean up clause for determining when a WG/Team has ceased to be "active" | 19:24 |
| mrhillsman | +1 | 19:24 |
| ShillaSaebi | +1 great idea | 19:24 |
| AndyU_ | Should this also touch on guidelines for qualifying as an AUC? Thinking specifically of cases where IRC is not used. | 19:24 |
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| AndyU_ | if it's in there, sorry, didn't get to read it yet | 19:25 |
| jproulx | AndyU_: think that would be part of "d" | 19:25 |
| AndyU_ | got it | 19:25 |
| jproulx | (don't know if it's there yet, but agree it should eb and think "d" is where it would fit) | 19:25 |
| ShillaSaebi | ok | 19:26 |
| ShillaSaebi | I also haven't had a chance to thoroughly review it | 19:26 |
| emagana | I will add a - d on the document | 19:26 |
| jproulx | SO yeah I think emagana list + "e. sunset clause" is a good out line to start form | 19:26 |
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| mrhillsman | agree on teh scope emagana | 19:26 |
| ShillaSaebi | agree on the scope as well | 19:27 |
| jproulx | ...start from... | 19:27 |
| emagana | great.. let's add e | 19:27 |
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| emagana | BTW Folks! | 19:30 |
| emagana | I have requested a session for UC and WGs to go over this document and all thos epoints | 19:30 |
| ShillaSaebi | sweet | 19:30 |
| jproulx | excellent | 19:30 |
| ShillaSaebi | thanks emagana | 19:30 |
| emagana | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/boston-2017/call-for-presentations/manage/18669/summary | 19:30 |
| AndyU_ | "If the group is using other content collaboration then those artifacts should be linked in an etherpad and be publicly accessible" Might want to define 'publicly accessible'. Such as viewed by anonymous access? Or user can self-create an account on demand??? Also need to define the "content" that this applies to. Output of main meetings, sub-teams, everything? Lot's of wg's have docs in google docs for ex that are secur | 19:31 |
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| emagana | Correct! AndyU_ I personally do not care about the tool as long as is accessible by anyone from anywhere | 19:32 |
| jproulx | AndyU_ agree we definitely should be clear on those points | 19:32 |
| emagana | at anytime | 19:32 |
| KaiLi | Hi, all, excuse me... I will be away for a while. I will be back for the Financial topic soon. I need to find another place with wifi... | 19:33 |
| jproulx | teh anonymous -vs- w/free account is an important discussion | 19:33 |
| AndyU_ | The general inability to find artifacts is a pervasive problem I think. To the extend that you could provide guidance of a standard way for things to be found, it would be awesome. Like having every WG maintain and etherpad of etherpad links (with short desc). | 19:33 |
| jproulx | +1 discoverability is very important | 19:34 |
| AndyU_ | Some standard way in which people outside the secret and arcane lore can figure out what exists and how to see it ;-) | 19:34 |
| jproulx | Yes, we should probably link to each WG/Team's pages (where ever they endup being) from the "offical" UC list of WG/Teams | 19:36 |
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| emagana | I lost connection.. what did I miss? | 19:38 |
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| mrhillsman | definitely try to centralize as much of that as possible i would think | 19:38 |
| mrhillsman | just for quick peek | 19:38 |
| mrhillsman | and not having to go link diving | 19:38 |
| mrhillsman | emagana if you see jproulx comment at 14:36 nothing | 19:39 |
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| emagana | mrhillsman: Thanks. | 19:39 |
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| ShillaSaebi | did you mean 15:36 | 19:39 |
| emagana | Well, I think we have a good baseline for the document. Maybe we should working on it | 19:39 |
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| emagana | and move on to the next topic | 19:40 |
| ShillaSaebi | yes | 19:40 |
| AndyU_ | right. some common root convention. for any wg you look <here> and from there you have traceability to any important arifact | 19:40 |
| ShillaSaebi | yep | 19:40 |
| ShillaSaebi | #topic Financial WG proposal | 19:40 |
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| mrhillsman | hehe, yes ShillaSaebi | 19:40 |
| ShillaSaebi | Kaili are you back? | 19:40 |
| KaiLI_ | good | 19:40 |
| KaiLI_ | yes | 19:40 |
| ShillaSaebi | great | 19:40 |
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| emagana | Financial WG request: #link https://docs.google.com/document/d/1a5PGnOIGBzONGFlkSF766piGtTX9WdR6ngQSfHwq_Cw/edit?usp=sharing | 19:41 |
| KaiLI_ | I am here. Sorry that for the financial WG, we would like to hold it for a while | 19:41 |
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| AlanClark | Hi all. Thought I would listen in for this topic | 19:41 |
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| emagana | Hi and welcome AlanClark | 19:42 |
| mrhillsman | hey there AlanClark | 19:42 |
| ShillaSaebi | Kaili_ can you clarify? What do you mean by hold it? | 19:42 |
| ShillaSaebi | Hi AlanClark and shamail | 19:42 |
| jproulx | HI AlanClark & shamail | 19:42 |
| emagana | Yes, KaiLI_ I have the same question | 19:42 |
| mrhillsman | hey shamail | 19:42 |
| mrhillsman | ^ | 19:42 |
| shamail | Hi everyone | 19:42 |
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| emagana | who is shamail? ;-) | 19:42 |
| mrhillsman | hehe | 19:42 |
| shamail | A person who shows up 1 hour early and then 38 minutes late. | 19:42 |
| KaiLI_ | There are some new big banks would like to join us , we think we need more time to align with them for the statement of this WG | 19:43 |
| emagana | DST victim | 19:43 |
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| shamail | KaiLI_: Do you anticipate change in the charter? Would it be possible to start having meetings and change the mission in the open? | 19:44 |
| KaiLI_ | yes, I was one of the charter authors | 19:45 |
| shamail | This way you could start the process towards becoming a WG and hopefully attract additional members while still defining the charter through changes as members join and you have discussions. | 19:45 |
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| emagana | I second shamail | 19:46 |
| emagana | I think is a good idea KaiLI_ | 19:46 |
| ShillaSaebi | i third shamail | 19:46 |
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| emagana | The UC role is to support all WGs. Let us know how we can help | 19:46 |
| jproulx | agreed, KaiLI_ do what you think best, but our process shoudln't hinder you from chaning things as you go if need be | 19:46 |
| shamail | +1 | 19:47 |
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| KaiLI_ | thanks jproulx | 19:47 |
| AlanClark | Does the UC have contacts that we should invite to the discussions? | 19:47 |
| AlanClark | we don't want to miss anyone who would like to be included | 19:48 |
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| jbryce | i definitely have a few who would like to get involved | 19:48 |
| mrhillsman | i fourth shamail | 19:48 |
| jbryce | KaiLI_: sometimes the best way to get additional people involved is to start the working group and then there's a clear venue for them to join | 19:49 |
| emagana | I used to know someone from Bank of America. I will reach out | 19:49 |
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| mrhillsman | i think the benefit of having the discussion out in the open ... what jbryce said :) | 19:49 |
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| shamail | Justin in Enterprise WG might be interested too | 19:49 |
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| emagana | There is not rush for deciding anything today. We have already booked a WG session in Boston for the Financial. | 19:51 |
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| ShillaSaebi_ | back | 19:52 |
| mrhillsman | wb | 19:52 |
| AlanClark | That's the meeting we want to point people to | 19:52 |
| emagana | Maybe we should assign a UC member to work closely with KaiLI_ and the rest of the WG members to help on the on-boarding/ kick off process. | 19:52 |
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| KaiLI_ | jbryce, agree with you , I would like to bring this message to other charter | 19:52 |
| KaiLI_ | authors | 19:52 |
| KaiLI_ | they should be here tonight. | 19:53 |
| emagana | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/boston-2017/summit-schedule/events/18655/financial-wg-state-of-the-union | 19:53 |
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| KaiLI_ | I will sync with your guys later, maybe next uc meeting | 19:53 |
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| jproulx | +1 | 19:53 |
| shamail_ | Sounds great | 19:53 |
| mrhillsman | sounds good KaiLI_ | 19:53 |
| emagana | I have a proposal | 19:54 |
| KaiLI_ | thanks :) | 19:54 |
| ShillaSaebi | awesome | 19:54 |
| ShillaSaebi | anything else on the financial wg topic? | 19:54 |
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| mrhillsman | nothing from me | 19:54 |
| KaiLI_ | thanks guys:) | 19:54 |
| emagana | I want to nominate Tom F. to help the Financial WG to have a successful kick off. Tom is in the same time zone and that will help a lot. | 19:55 |
| mrhillsman | thank you KaiLI_ | 19:55 |
| ShillaSaebi | emagana this is true | 19:55 |
| jproulx | +1 to volunteer Tom (who's not here) | 19:55 |
| shamail | 😅 | 19:56 |
| ShillaSaebi | anyone want to take the task of asking Tom? | 19:56 |
| mrhillsman | +1 if he agrees | 19:56 |
| mrhillsman | :) | 19:56 |
| emagana | jproulx: We call it at Workday: "voluntold" | 19:56 |
| KaiLI_ | I know tom well. I will reach him for helps after this meeting:) | 19:56 |
| ShillaSaebi | ok | 19:56 |
| mrhillsman | awesome | 19:56 |
| emagana | KaiLI_: awesome! | 19:56 |
| AlanClark | I will also continue to support them | 19:56 |
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| ShillaSaebi | #action KaiLI_ to reach out to Tom to help with onboarding financial WG | 19:56 |
| ShillaSaebi | ditto | 19:56 |
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| shamail | Thanks AlanClark | 19:57 |
| mrhillsman | ^ | 19:57 |
| ShillaSaebi | #topic open discussion | 19:57 |
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| ShillaSaebi | we have a few min to discuss anything, feel free to bring it up now | 19:57 |
| jproulx | maybe shamial's mentoring plan we skipped earlier? | 19:58 |
| ShillaSaebi | sure | 19:58 |
| mrhillsman | ^ | 19:58 |
| emagana | in 2 minutes? | 19:58 |
| mrhillsman | i need a mentor ;) | 19:58 |
| emagana | maybe we should wait to the next week? | 19:58 |
| jproulx | yeah proably not ;) | 19:58 |
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| mrhillsman | agreed | 19:58 |
| ShillaSaebi | shamail one of the topics was to discuss mentoring plan for UC members | 19:58 |
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| ShillaSaebi | maybe we can touch on it at the next meeting | 19:58 |
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| jproulx | +1 to put mentoring on next meeting (next monday 1800 UTC) | 19:59 |
| ShillaSaebi | we can make sure its added to the agenda | 19:59 |
| ShillaSaebi | cool | 19:59 |
| ShillaSaebi | anything else anyone wants to bring up? | 19:59 |
| shamail | We can defer to a future meeting but the plan was in general to help find existing WG sponsors for newcomers to WG new working groups in general | 19:59 |
| AlanClark | everyone clear on the dinner and joint meeting at the boston summit? | 19:59 |
| jproulx | AlanClark: yup, I'll be at both | 19:59 |
| mrhillsman | i am AlanClark - accepted invite to dinner | 19:59 |
| shamail | UC in the proposal meant teams within UC | 19:59 |
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| ShillaSaebi | AlanClark yes | 20:00 |
| shamail | I'll try to be there AlanClark | 20:00 |
| ShillaSaebi | alright everyone, we are at time | 20:00 |
| mrhillsman | thx for chairing ShillaSaebi :) | 20:00 |
| ShillaSaebi | thank you for joining | 20:00 |
| emagana | thanks all | 20:00 |
| ShillaSaebi | anytime! | 20:00 |
| shamail | Thanks! | 20:00 |
| jproulx | thanks all | 20:00 |
| ShillaSaebi | #endmeeting | 20:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Mar 27 20:00:53 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:00 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/uc/2017/uc.2017-03-27-19.02.html | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/uc/2017/uc.2017-03-27-19.02.txt | 20:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/uc/2017/uc.2017-03-27-19.02.log.html | 20:01 |
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