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ekcs | time for congress team meeting. ramineni, masahito thinrichs aimeeu | 00:00 |
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ekcs | #startmeeting congressteammeeting | 00:01 |
openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 9 00:01:05 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ekcs. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 00:01 |
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masahito | hello | 00:01 |
thinrichs | hi all | 00:01 |
ekcs | hi all. hope it’s been a good week so far! | 00:01 |
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aimeeu | greetings! | 00:01 |
ekcs | Here are the topics on deck for today. I’ll give everyone a couple minutes to look over and add anything else | 00:02 |
ekcs | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/congress-meeting-topics | 00:02 |
ekcs | ok let’s get started then =) | 00:04 |
ekcs | #topic policy library | 00:05 |
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thinrichs | I made some progress on the policy library. | 00:06 |
thinrichs | Let me dig up the link. | 00:06 |
thinrichs | https://docs.google.com/document/d/12f1VciulhT9yCYOc7jiulGiLT-tFpffLxNOpr-2QX2I/edit | 00:06 |
ekcs | great. | 00:06 |
thinrichs | Can people see that? | 00:06 |
ekcs | yup. | 00:07 |
thinrichs | I just wanted to get something started so took AT&T's policies and put them into the doc. | 00:07 |
masahito | I can see | 00:07 |
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ekcs | that’s great. | 00:08 |
ekcs | I added a section on rules similar to AWS. | 00:08 |
ekcs | https://docs.google.com/document/d/12f1VciulhT9yCYOc7jiulGiLT-tFpffLxNOpr-2QX2I/edit#heading=h.rw4lcq2348oz | 00:08 |
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thinrichs | I think some of those policies we can include in the API. | 00:09 |
thinrichs | As they are. | 00:09 |
thinrichs | If the policy isn't exactly what the user wants, they can go in and edit the policy. | 00:09 |
thinrichs | In the UI, it would be somewhat easy to give people a text-box to go and edit the entire policy at once (instead of one rule at a time). | 00:10 |
ekcs | makes sense. | 00:11 |
thinrichs | In the API/CLI I'd think we'd want to add a way for people to submit an entire YAML file (that is described at the top of the googledoc) so they can edit an entire policy at once (instead of one rule at a time). | 00:11 |
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thinrichs | The API/CLI could be almost (i) show/download a YAML file from the library and (ii) upload a YAML file describing a policy. | 00:11 |
ekcs | seems like a good workflow. | 00:13 |
ekcs | aimeeu and bryan_att if you’re around, does that workflow make sense from your perspectiveL | 00:13 |
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aimeeu | yes for me - bryan is on vacation so I'll say yes from him as well | 00:14 |
ekcs | haha ok great. | 00:14 |
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ekcs | any thoughts on how the libarry would be shipped? as yaml files to be loaded by the user? | 00:15 |
aimeeu | that's a possibility | 00:15 |
thinrichs | Maybe a directory of yaml files that get loaded on startup automatically (configurable, of course)? | 00:16 |
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ekcs | makes sense. maybe also an addition to API/CLI/GUI loading from that special directory. | 00:17 |
thinrichs | We could also have full CRUD in the API for the library, so that people could load their own policies into it. | 00:17 |
ekcs | s/loading/for loading | 00:17 |
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ekcs | interesting. that could be useful for supporting the modular policy use case bryan_att mentioned. without needing to enable/disable policies. | 00:19 |
ekcs | glad we’re making good progress on this front. policy library might be the most important feature for P release. | 00:20 |
aimeeu | I think being able to upload a policy in YAML format is important. | 00:20 |
thinrichs | Once there is full CRUD for a /library endpoint, then everyone could build up their own library for users. And we could have a simple script loading a directory of YAML files from a config directory (at least for devstack). | 00:20 |
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aimeeu | I'm still trying to track down what OpenECOMP (now ONAP) does but I'm pretty sure it involves YAML | 00:20 |
ekcs | specifically YAML being imporltant? or some kind of file? | 00:21 |
thinrichs | Looking at some of those policies in the google doc, I started to think it'll be hard to just enable/disable them. | 00:21 |
ekcs | I’m thinking about YAML vs the JSON format masahito used. | 00:21 |
aimeeu | policy being written to a YAML file that can be consumed by policy engines (but don't quote me on that) | 00:21 |
thinrichs | There are too many details that a user would want to change. | 00:21 |
thinrichs | Whether YAML or JSON is probably not so important. YAML is definitely better for people. JSON is probably better for machines. | 00:22 |
ekcs | thinrichs: yes some of them may be too specific. like the naming of security groups. but they can be adapted so that the special security groups are identified by a new table rather than by name. | 00:22 |
thinrichs | Right. | 00:23 |
ekcs | for example, the dmz related policy may have a table that identifies a list of security groups as “dmz” | 00:23 |
thinrichs | What I'm really thinking though is that for those policies that do remediation, you wouldn't want to just Activate them before making modifications. | 00:23 |
ekcs | thinrichs: hmm true. I guess I’ve been thinking mostly monitoring. I wonder if it makes sense to enable/disable execution by policy. | 00:24 |
thinrichs | And since the common case is that people will be modifying the policies before activating them, a workflow where we just provide (i) a library of examples and (ii) a simple way to upload entire poolicies make sense. | 00:24 |
ekcs | so one can import policy and see results, before allowing actions. | 00:24 |
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thinrichs | Longer term I could see more sophisticated functionality like having a bit on every policy that determines whether or not to obey 'execute[] | 00:25 |
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ekcs | thinrichs: makes sense. | 00:26 |
thinrichs | But short term the library + upload functionality is both easy to build and gets to the heart of the problem | 00:26 |
ekcs | thinrichs: maybe you could add some of these tentative conclusions to the doc? | 00:27 |
thinrichs | Yep | 00:27 |
ekcs | awesome. we should probably move on to other topics =) | 00:27 |
ekcs | but let’s definitely keep prioritizing policy lib | 00:27 |
ekcs | #topic angular.js | 00:28 |
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ekcs | ramineni_: would you like to talk about angular.js? | 00:28 |
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ramineni_1 | ekcs: hi | 00:28 |
ekcs | hi ramineni_1 | 00:28 |
ekcs | we could skip it if it’s not important for right now. | 00:29 |
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ramineni_1 | ekcs: actually , i dont know much about angular js, just heard its better than django and everyone moving onto it | 00:29 |
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ramineni_1 | ekcs: just added that topic, if anyone has more idea to it..can discuss | 00:30 |
ekcs | ok I see. anyone have thoughts about angular.js? I don’t know much about it. but I did hear from david lyle it supports some active things. | 00:31 |
mordred | angular is what people have been using for web uis | 00:32 |
mordred | with normal REST services on the backend | 00:32 |
masahito | Horizon will stop to support django? | 00:32 |
mordred | the pattern exists in a few different openstack projects | 00:32 |
mordred | I'm not sure if horizon will ever be able to delete django | 00:33 |
aimeeu | mordred do you know which projects use angular.js? | 00:33 |
mordred | but it's the only place that's really doing any django things, and since the rest of openstack are REST API services, just putting a pure client-side UI on top of them makes a lot of sense | 00:33 |
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mordred | aimeeu: I know horizon and storyboard. for a while someone was working on an ironic ui, but I'm not sure where that's at | 00:33 |
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aimeeu | thanks mordred | 00:34 |
ekcs | thanks mordred ! | 00:34 |
mordred | I know if I was going to be spinning up a new web ui in any way in openstack, I'd focus on client-side javascript on top of backend REST service | 00:34 |
mordred | sure! | 00:34 |
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mordred | http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/storyboard-webclient http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/ironic-ui for some examples ... | 00:35 |
ekcs | haha ok then. seems like a good long term thing. | 00:36 |
ekcs | thanks for the references mordred | 00:36 |
mordred | sure nuff! | 00:36 |
ekcs | if/when we get around to doing notifications on UI, or investing any major time adding to the current UI, we’d probably want to study it some more. | 00:37 |
ekcs | let’s move on then if we’re done with this topic for now. | 00:37 |
ekcs | #topic tempest plugin | 00:38 |
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ekcs | ramineni_1: would you like to fill us in on this topic? | 00:38 |
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ramineni_1 | ekcs: sure | 00:38 |
ramineni_1 | ekcs: its basically regarding the comment here https://review.openstack.org/#/c/441798/ | 00:39 |
ramineni_1 | ekcs: there seems to be couple of tempest changes , which affects the gate , needs to be backported to all branches as tempest is branch less | 00:40 |
ramineni_1 | ekcs: one idea from tempest folks to avoid that is..make congress tempest_plugin seperate repo and make it branchless as tempest | 00:40 |
ekcs | I see. so roughly speaking, which files would go into the new repo? | 00:42 |
ramineni_1 | ekcs: i am thinking, may be if we could do that, it will avoid stable branch failures as we may run both jobs (stable/master) on that new repo , so any change in tempest, we have idea if breaking stable branch also | 00:42 |
ekcs | the whole congress_tempest_tests directory? or only part? | 00:42 |
ramineni_1 | ekcs: yes | 00:42 |
ramineni_1 | i think whole | 00:43 |
masahito | Can't we specify release tag or something in gate job for stable branch? | 00:43 |
ekcs | tempest doesn’t maintain stable branches it seems. | 00:43 |
ramineni_1 | masahito: im not sure, if we could do that..it would be good | 00:44 |
ekcs | masahito: oh I see. use release tag instead of stable branch. | 00:44 |
masahito | ekcs: ramineni_1: yes. I can see release tag like 15.0.0. | 00:45 |
masahito | if we can use it we don't need the new repo. | 00:45 |
ramineni_1 | masahito: yes | 00:45 |
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ekcs_ | My laptop froze. On my phone now. | 00:47 |
ramineni_1 | masahito: we need to check if its possible to add that in infra/tests .. | 00:47 |
ramineni_1 | somehow | 00:47 |
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masahito | ekcs_: it's good to move on to next? | 00:49 |
masahito | ekcs_: I think typing on a phone is hard | 00:49 |
ekcs_ | Great let's move on then. Sounds like something we can follow up on if someone wants to gather more information and make a recommendation. | 00:50 |
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ekcs_ | So remaining topics: | 00:51 |
ekcs_ | Horizon dashboard project | 00:51 |
ekcs_ | Any discussion we may want to have about pike tasks | 00:52 |
ekcs_ | And open discussion if anyone has something to talk about. | 00:52 |
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ekcs | ok sorry I’m back. 5 minutes left. | 00:54 |
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ramineni_1 | ekcs_: its fyi mainly, congress_dashboard project is created now .. https://github.com/openstack/congress-dashboard | 00:54 |
ekcs | #topic open discussion | 00:54 |
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ramineni_1 | will copy the folder onto new project this week..may be | 00:54 |
ekcs | great! | 00:54 |
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masahito | nice | 00:55 |
ekcs | open discusion item: anyone understand this patch? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/441864/ | 00:55 |
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aimeeu | I don't. I was going to ask for a better commit message but got distracted | 00:57 |
thinrichs | Looks like they're removin a css class from that button. Anyone know what that class does? | 00:58 |
ramineni_1 | ekcs: no , not sure what it is fixing actually | 00:58 |
ekcs | it’s removing the close class from a button. not totally sure what the problem is. | 00:58 |
ekcs | ok then. guess we can ask for more info. | 00:58 |
ekcs | thanks! | 00:58 |
ekcs | 2 minutes left. | 00:58 |
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ekcs | ok then! great progress this week with policy lib and dashboard project. see you guys next week! | 01:00 |
masahito | thanks | 01:00 |
ekcs | #endmeeting | 01:01 |
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gmann | #startmeeting qa | 09:00 |
openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 9 09:00:49 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gmann. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 09:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 09:00 |
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: qa)" | 09:00 | |
openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'qa' | 09:00 |
gmann | hi, who all here today ? | 09:01 |
samP | hi o/ | 09:01 |
gmann | samP: hi. | 09:01 |
samP | This me samapth from NTT | 09:01 |
blancos | o/ | 09:01 |
zhufl | hello | 09:01 |
gmann | samP: nice to see you | 09:01 |
samP | gmann: hi.. | 09:01 |
chandankumar | gmann: toscalix samP zhufl \o/ | 09:02 |
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gmann | hi everyone | 09:02 |
gmann | andreaf: masayukig jordanP ? | 09:02 |
tosky | hi | 09:02 |
gmann | masayukig is not around today | 09:02 |
gmann | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/QATeamMeeting#Agenda_for_March_9th_2017_.280900_UTC.29 | 09:02 |
gmann | ^^ today agenda | 09:03 |
* masayukig is here but read-only-mode... | 09:03 | |
andreaf | o/ | 09:03 |
gmann | we have Pike priority here - #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/pike-qa-priorities | 09:03 |
gmann | and most of them with assignee also. | 09:04 |
gmann | #topic Previous Meeting Action review | 09:04 |
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gmann | let's checkout the action items | 09:04 |
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gmann | 1. andreaf email ML with our plan on scenario tests | 09:04 |
gmann | i think andreaf did that | 09:05 |
gmann | 2. andreaf setup a scenario only job for tempest | 09:05 |
andreaf | gmann yeah just looking for a link... | 09:05 |
gmann | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-March/113113.html | 09:06 |
andreaf | thanks... | 09:06 |
andreaf | gmann: so for 2. | 09:06 |
andreaf | it's WIP | 09:06 |
gmann | 2. andreaf setup a scenario only job for tempest | 09:06 |
gmann | andreaf: thanks, link ? | 09:06 |
andreaf | gmann: I have a few patches in Tempest, d-g and project-config #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/442565/ | 09:06 |
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andreaf | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/441980/ Tempest one is merged | 09:07 |
gmann | andreaf: local.conf things from job directly not stable yet ? | 09:07 |
gmann | i was thinking we can avoid d-g flags | 09:08 |
andreaf | gmann: and project-config one is my local branch, haven't posted it yet | 09:08 |
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gmann | andreaf: ok, thanks for working on those. | 09:08 |
andreaf | gmann: yes local conf works for tempest settings and I used that for the project-config bit | 09:08 |
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andreaf | gmann: but which tox env to use is not under local conf control | 09:09 |
gmann | ah yea | 09:09 |
gmann | ll check all series tomorrow | 09:09 |
andreaf | gmann: I don't like new flags either, but the alternative is to not use a dedicated tox env, which I though it was worse | 09:09 |
andreaf | gmann: thanks | 09:09 |
gmann | and currently we have 11 scenario tests running on normal jobs | 09:09 |
gmann | andreaf: yea tox env use is pretty nice | 09:10 |
gmann | 3. * andreaf check with luzC about grenade specs | 09:10 |
gmann | andreaf: again for you :) | 09:10 |
andreaf | gmann: yeah luzC mentioned she was going to withdraw those specs | 09:11 |
andreaf | and start new ones | 09:11 |
gmann | withdraw old one ? | 09:11 |
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gmann | or its all new one what was discussed in PTG like rolling upgrade support etc | 09:12 |
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andreaf | gmann: yeah so they are not grenade specs anymore | 09:13 |
andreaf | gmann: rolling upgrade and so will be done by other means | 09:13 |
gmann | in different project or way ? | 09:14 |
gmann | anyways let's get more clarity once we have spec up | 09:15 |
gmann | next AI- 4. oomichi to look at API versions for test jobs | 09:15 |
gmann | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tempest-api-versions-in-pike | 09:15 |
gmann | i think this will be very nice step if we can get rid of deprecated and unsupported version testing from tempest | 09:16 |
andreaf | yeah there are a few patches up already oomichi has been driving this forward | 09:16 |
gmann | it will make lot of load down on maintenance as well as on gate | 09:17 |
andreaf | yeah | 09:17 |
gmann | yea, oomichi will finish those fast i know :) | 09:17 |
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gmann | cool | 09:17 |
andreaf | only one note on my side - config is a stable interface, and so are default values | 09:17 |
gmann | 5. everyone - review the ethercalc @ | 09:17 |
andreaf | changing default values for a config is a backward incompatible chnage, so we need to give notice for that :) | 09:18 |
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gmann | andreaf: default values also yes i think | 09:18 |
gmann | andreaf: i think i gave +1 or +2 on that | 09:18 |
gmann | but agree we should not change default value | 09:18 |
gmann | not sure deprecation process on default values change | 09:19 |
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gmann | we can do just in help ? | 09:19 |
andreaf | gmann: yeah I guess so | 09:19 |
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gmann | andreaf: ok. | 09:20 |
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gmann | next AI: ethercalc | 09:21 |
gmann | its all done and scenario tests are sorted out | 09:21 |
gmann | 6. sdague to look into cinder v1 admin tests | 09:21 |
gmann | andreaf: we can remove even admin tests for v1 right | 09:21 |
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andreaf | heh I have to check I think sdague mentioned that it was actually ok as it is, but not 100% sure | 09:23 |
gmann | humm. i want to remove api version selection config options we have | 09:23 |
gmann | anyways let's check sdague on that | 09:24 |
gmann | #topic Gate Status | 09:24 |
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gmann | so after cutting off scenario tests, gate kind of stable seems.. | 09:24 |
gmann | but i am suspecting some ssh failure still even from API or scenario tests :) | 09:25 |
andreaf | gmann: the failures on the main tempest job are still too high: #link https://goo.gl/Ms7OVZ | 09:25 |
andreaf | we are still hitting libvirt crashes a lot #link http://status.openstack.org/elastic-recheck/ | 09:26 |
gmann | andreaf: oh, i think volume attach tests may be? | 09:26 |
andreaf | gmann: can you look into those? | 09:26 |
gmann | andreaf: sure, but i can do tomorrow only | 09:27 |
andreaf | I wanted to check if the libvirt crashes happen on API or scenario - I have the feeling it will be on API side, because API tests still generate good load on the system | 09:27 |
gmann | #action gmann to check libvirt crashes issues on tempest job | 09:28 |
andreaf | on the other side if it's on scenario we might be able then to isolate the issue, get a reproducer and ask libvirt folks for a fix | 09:28 |
gmann | andreaf: yea i suspect attach detach tests | 09:28 |
gmann | nice | 09:28 |
andreaf | anyways, there is still work to be done on the gate, so that stays the highest prio for me | 09:28 |
gmann | +1 | 09:29 |
gmann | gate stability is main goal | 09:29 |
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andreaf | in case the issue is load related, one way forward could be to split API and scenario in two jobs and reduce concurrency on the API side | 09:29 |
gmann | openstack developement should go smoothly | 09:29 |
andreaf | another approach would be to isolate "heavy" API tests and either split them up or make them scenarios | 09:30 |
gmann | andreaf: we can list heavy API tests and then figure out those to be serial or parallel | 09:30 |
andreaf | so I will keep looking at both options | 09:30 |
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andreaf | gmann: yeah I started looking at subunit-describe-calls to automate that | 09:30 |
gmann | i think splitting the heavy one either APi or scenario is nice | 09:31 |
gmann | andreaf: nice. thanks that will help | 09:31 |
zhufl | +1 | 09:31 |
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chandankumar | gmann: one query how to determine a test is heavy or light based on time or resources? | 09:31 |
zhufl | api tests should be simple enough | 09:31 |
gmann | let's keep eyes on gate things | 09:31 |
andreaf | chandankumar: heavy from resources pov | 09:32 |
gmann | chandankumar: yea time taken and what all kind of operation it does | 09:32 |
andreaf | chandankumar: so how many VMs. volumes, networks are created by a test | 09:32 |
gmann | yea | 09:32 |
chandankumar | andreaf: gmann got that, Thanks :-) | 09:32 |
zhufl | and some scenario testcases can be removed from Tempest maybe | 09:32 |
gmann | andreaf: ll check some of them and prepare some list | 09:32 |
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andreaf | gmann: ok thank you! | 09:33 |
gmann | zhufl: not sure about that. but we can go case by case | 09:33 |
zhufl | e.g, to suspend-resume-suspend-resume | 09:33 |
gmann | honestly i do not like to remove tests from tempest :) | 09:33 |
gmann | zhufl: we can figure that out where to run instead of deleting | 09:34 |
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andreaf | zhufl: yeah some may not belong to tempest at all, but I guess that's a separate discussion for now | 09:34 |
gmann | but yea if those are covered on project side then yes | 09:34 |
gmann | let's move | 09:34 |
gmann | #topic Pike Goals | 09:34 |
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gmann | 1. Python 3.5 https://governance.openstack.org/tc/goals/pike/python35.html | 09:34 |
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gmann | i think this is completed | 09:34 |
andreaf | heh I was hoping to have some work done on these, but I have not had the time yet | 09:34 |
gmann | andreaf: on 3.5? | 09:35 |
andreaf | gmann: so the process is that I need to put up specs for each goal | 09:35 |
andreaf | gmann: and add the specs to the governance repo in the overall goal | 09:35 |
gmann | andreaf: and update patch on goverance | 09:35 |
gmann | ok | 09:35 |
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chandankumar | gmann: i can check and confirm by runnign tempest on py3.5 | 09:35 |
chandankumar | ? | 09:35 |
andreaf | gmann: and in each spec we need to say what needs to be done for python 3 and wsgi respectively | 09:35 |
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andreaf | gmann: and this is not for tempest only but for every project under the QA umbreall | 09:36 |
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gmann | andreaf: or just update status on that like - #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/440832/ | 09:36 |
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gmann | andreaf: yea, all projects | 09:36 |
gmann | blancos: how about patrole ? | 09:36 |
andreaf | so I guess there won't be much real work to be done but I just need to go through the list and make sure everything is covered | 09:37 |
gmann | do we have tests running on 3.5 job there | 09:37 |
andreaf | and what is not should go in the high prio list | 09:37 |
gmann | andreaf: yea | 09:37 |
blancos | gmann I'd have to doublecheck but I think we have a py35 gate | 09:37 |
andreaf | so I was hoping to have the list for today but I didn't manage yet, so it will be next week | 09:37 |
gmann | #action andreaf to add sepcs on Pike Goal, py3.5 and wsgi for all QA projects | 09:38 |
gmann | andreaf: ^^ :) | 09:38 |
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gmann | blancos: cool, please update andreaf after checking on that. | 09:38 |
blancos | andreaf gmann I just looked, we do :) | 09:39 |
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gmann | blancos: THIS? #LINK http://logs.openstack.org/17/443417/1/check/gate-patrole-python35/adfe79b/ | 09:39 |
gmann | blancos: i think that runs just unit tests on 3.5 not patrole on 3.5 | 09:39 |
andreaf | so integration tests must pass when a service runs on py3.5 but it the goal does not say anything about running integration tests on py3.5 | 09:40 |
gmann | andreaf: is it? | 09:40 |
andreaf | but I would like to have that as a soft goal as well, not high prio like the main goal perhaps but it would be nice | 09:40 |
blancos | gmann Oh I'm sorry you're right. We're working on CI gates right now, I'll check with my colleague who's working on that | 09:41 |
gmann | i thought tests module too should be running on 3.5 | 09:41 |
gmann | ll check anyways | 09:41 |
andreaf | blancos, gmann: ok I'll prepare a spec / etherpad and we can all comment on it then | 09:41 |
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gmann | andreaf: cool, thanks, i already added AI for you | 09:41 |
gmann | anyways lets speed up | 09:41 |
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andreaf | gmann: yeah unit / functional tests | 09:41 |
andreaf | but we don't have functional tests | 09:42 |
gmann | #topic Specs Reviews | 09:42 |
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gmann | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/qa-specs,n,z | 09:42 |
gmann | andreaf: i see | 09:42 |
gmann | i think samP created new one/restored HA one # link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/443504/ | 09:43 |
samP | gmann: yes | 09:43 |
gmann | let's talk on that separately | 09:43 |
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gmann | anything else on specs? | 09:43 |
samP | gmann: sure | 09:43 |
andreaf | ok thanks I need to review that one :) | 09:43 |
andreaf | samP: is it WIP or ready for review? | 09:44 |
gmann | #topic Tempest | 09:44 |
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gmann | - Warnings for internal interfaces? (andreaf) | 09:44 |
samP | adiantum: WIP for now, | 09:44 |
andreaf | samP: ok thanks | 09:44 |
samP | andreaf: sorry, WIP for now, I will update my todo items | 09:44 |
gmann | andreaf: you mean warning on each internal interface but we do not know how many in use | 09:44 |
andreaf | gmann: yeah I wanted to chat about if / how we advertise tempest internal interfaces | 09:45 |
andreaf | so something like raising a warning if an internal module is imported by a project that is not tempest | 09:45 |
gmann | andreaf: so doc on stable interface as list should be enough? and everything else is internal | 09:45 |
andreaf | I'm not sure how to implement that in way that is not too invasive and verbose, and I'm not sure if it's a good idea | 09:46 |
gmann | i know we do that currently and people still use internal variable too :) | 09:46 |
tosky | is there a way to identify them with some code analysis? It would be easier to identify the top-requested functions before starting to see warnings all over | 09:46 |
gmann | andreaf: ok, that will be good but on import warning it will be tempest too | 09:46 |
andreaf | gmann: well docs are ok I guess, but people does not necessarily read docs - which is normal | 09:46 |
tosky | gmann: can we defer the warning after identifing the required missing interfaces? | 09:47 |
gmann | tosky: we can grep on codesearch but how many, | 09:47 |
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andreaf | gmann: yeah I have some scripts to find out imports | 09:47 |
gmann | tosky: yea thats main goal, to have more and more required interface as stable | 09:47 |
gmann | andreaf: nice. but list might be huge right | 09:48 |
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tosky | yes, but starting with warnings before having alternatives may be... counterproductive | 09:48 |
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andreaf | gmann: #link https://github.com/andreafrittoli/tempest_stable_interfaces/blob/master/data/get_deps.sh | 09:48 |
gmann | tosky: +1 i am on that side always :) but let's see how many we can provide | 09:48 |
gmann | tosky: but thing is it takes time to give complete interface as stable | 09:49 |
gmann | andreaf: cool, thanks | 09:49 |
andreaf | tosky: well apart from credential providers and perhaps test.py I think the alternative is to write the test in the plugins... | 09:49 |
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gmann | next - #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/tempest+status:open | 09:49 |
andreaf | tosky: well remote client perhaps as well, but I don't think we have much more high value things to move to lib | 09:50 |
gmann | ^^ are open review on tempest keep doing the good work | 09:50 |
gmann | Bug Triage: | 09:50 |
gmann | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tempest-weekly-bug-report | 09:50 |
prateek | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/443051/, can someone please review this too ? | 09:50 |
gmann | seems like nobody did last week | 09:50 |
tosky | andreaf: "get me the proper network used for the test, either created with the dynamic project or preconfigured" | 09:51 |
gmann | but we have report from luzC on previous week | 09:51 |
andreaf | gmann: lucZ sent an email about bug triage | 09:51 |
tosky | andreaf: that's required for any serious scenario tests | 09:51 |
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gmann | andreaf: yea, i added in report #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tempest-weekly-bug-report | 09:51 |
gmann | we have 7 new bugs | 09:51 |
gmann | jwhite is next week. ll ping him if i can reach to him | 09:52 |
gmann | anything on tempest side ? | 09:52 |
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tosky | a potential issue with external plugin configuration, but we can handle it on -qa later | 09:52 |
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gmann | if nothing on DevStack grenade, o-h we can skip as time is less | 09:52 |
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tosky | (well, not potential) | 09:53 |
gmann | tosky: yea, do we have bug on that, saw conversation on QA channel but not fully | 09:53 |
chandankumar | gmann: do we really need this while building doc https://github.com/openstack/tempest/blob/master/doc/source/conf.py#L18 ? | 09:53 |
chandankumar | to generate a list of plugins | 09:53 |
chandankumar | or i move it to a seperate tox section? | 09:54 |
gmann | chandankumar: need to check that is for listing all plugin on sample right | 09:54 |
gmann | #topic Patrole | 09:54 |
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chandankumar | gmann: ok | 09:54 |
gmann | blancos: your turn, anything you want to bring in | 09:54 |
gmann | blancos: not sure about admin things on tests which i need to check the framework first | 09:55 |
blancos | I had 3 questions related to Patrole, but I can save them for -qa since we're short on time | 09:55 |
gmann | blancos: go ahead we can see if out of time | 09:55 |
blancos | Okay. 1. I understand that at the PTG it was decided base classes would become stable interfaces. I was wondering if there was any talk about doing that for waiters as well | 09:56 |
gmann | blancos: waiter too. i will check that | 09:56 |
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blancos | 2. A couple were asking at a meeting yesterday if we had an IRC room. We don't | 09:57 |
blancos | Would we use QA's or get our own? | 09:57 |
gmann | i reemember we had patch for waiter but need to check where that went | 09:57 |
gmann | blancos: we cover in QA meeting but if you feel you need more time then its all ncie to have sub meeting too | 09:57 |
gmann | we do in nova | 09:58 |
gmann | andreaf: ^^ what u say | 09:58 |
gmann | blancos: keep your 3rd question on QA :) sorry | 09:58 |
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gmann | #topic Destructive Testing | 09:58 |
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samP | I hv just proposed a new spec (443504) in favor of Timur’s spec. | 09:58 |
gmann | so destructive testing is being started by samP | 09:58 |
gmann | samP: big thanks on that | 09:58 |
andreaf | gmann: well in terms of IRC I would rather keep one room | 09:58 |
gmann | samP: cool | 09:58 |
samP | gmann: np | 09:58 |
samP | I will address all the comments to Timur’s spec in my new spec. | 09:59 |
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andreaf | gmann: in terms of meeting, if there is a need for a submeeting (enough to discuss there) I'm fine with that | 09:59 |
gmann | samP: in barcelona we mainly wanted user story on spec side | 09:59 |
gmann | samP: not sure you have in spec, if not can you put some of them | 09:59 |
samP | gmann: I will add them | 09:59 |
gmann | samP: it will be easy to visualize | 09:59 |
gmann | samP: thanks | 09:59 |
gmann | andreaf: ok | 10:00 |
samP | gmann: I will update this spec and clear my todos soon | 10:00 |
gmann | let's move to QA | 10:00 |
andreaf | gmann: but I would keep a patrole section in the main meeting for a quick update | 10:00 |
gmann | thanks all for joining | 10:00 |
gmann | #endmeeting | 10:00 |
*** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 10:00 | |
openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 9 10:00:49 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 10:00 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2017/qa.2017-03-09-09.00.html | 10:00 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2017/qa.2017-03-09-09.00.txt | 10:00 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2017/qa.2017-03-09-09.00.log.html | 10:00 |
chandankumar | gmann: Thanks for chairing the meeting :-) | 10:00 |
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cdent | #startmeeting nova | 14:00 |
openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 9 14:00:19 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is cdent. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:00 | |
openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova' | 14:00 |
mriedem | o/ | 14:00 |
bauzas | \o | 14:00 |
takashin | o/ | 14:00 |
efried | o/ | 14:00 |
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gibi | o/ | 14:00 |
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edleafe | \o | 14:00 |
cdent | Hi, welcome to a nova meeting run by me because mriedem has the audacity to parent his actual children rather than us. | 14:00 |
mriedem | you'll always be abused stepchildren to me | 14:01 |
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cdent | we'll just run through the agenda like normal | 14:01 |
cdent | #topic release news | 14:01 |
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cdent | #link Pike release schedule: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/Pike_Release_Schedule | 14:02 |
mriedem | i updated the official release schedule with our spec freeze date | 14:02 |
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cdent | just over a month util p-1 | 14:02 |
mriedem | well https://review.openstack.org/#/c/442201/ | 14:02 |
bauzas | mriedem: cool | 14:02 |
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cdent | #link review for spec freeze date https://review.openstack.org/#/c/442201/ | 14:03 |
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cdent | anybody want to say anything else about that? | 14:03 |
mriedem | nope | 14:03 |
cdent | #topic bugs | 14:03 |
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cdent | there is a critical bug: | 14:03 |
cdent | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1670627 - quotas are not decremented in nova cell DB when we delete an instance in cell0 | 14:03 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1670627 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "quota is always in-use after delete the ERROR instances " [Critical,In progress] - Assigned to Matt Riedemann (mriedem) | 14:03 |
mriedem | i've got a fix started in the series here https://review.openstack.org/#/c/443403/ | 14:04 |
mriedem | Kevin_Zheng has a local recreate and was testing the fix last night, | 14:04 |
mriedem | i'm going to work on a functional test to recreate today | 14:04 |
bauzas | mriedem: even with single cell ? | 14:04 |
mriedem | yes | 14:04 |
cdent | so, under control, any help needed? | 14:04 |
bauzas | :/ | 14:04 |
mriedem | umm, eyeballs are nice | 14:04 |
mriedem | it's also in ocata, | 14:05 |
mriedem | which is bad | 14:05 |
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mriedem | so only the bottom patch is going to be backported | 14:05 |
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mriedem | the top one is a pike-only issue | 14:05 |
bauzas | yeah | 14:05 |
bauzas | it's a WIP because of lack of testing ? | 14:05 |
bauzas | oh no | 14:05 |
mriedem | bauzas: and because we don't know it fixes the issue yet | 14:05 |
bauzas | nvm :) | 14:05 |
bauzas | ok | 14:05 |
mriedem | hence the need for a functional test | 14:06 |
mriedem | b/c unit tests aren't going to cut it | 14:06 |
bauzas | yeah | 14:06 |
mriedem | nothing else on that | 14:06 |
cdent | there's also a critical bug over on the docs side of the world related to updates of the install docs for nova. this is close to being resolved and verified. the review for that is: | 14:06 |
cdent | #link install docs update: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/438328/ | 14:07 |
cdent | I just got halfway through a greenfield install it is working | 14:07 |
bauzas | cdent: FWIW, I wonder if the docs bug is really a regression or not | 14:07 |
bauzas | seems like it's libvirt not restarted | 14:07 |
cdent | bauzas: there's two issue at play | 14:07 |
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bauzas | okay, I'll look into it | 14:08 |
cdent | one is that there were no docs for greenfield install of cells and placement | 14:08 |
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cdent | the other is the libvirt thing | 14:08 |
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bauzas | I thought there was a review for the cells and placement doc ? | 14:08 |
cdent | the former is in hand, not sure on the latter | 14:08 |
cdent | that's the link I just pasted above, so yes | 14:08 |
bauzas | okay | 14:08 |
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cdent | but it's considered pretty crtiical from the docs side of the world since they'd like to have correct ocata docs, since its already out | 14:09 |
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cdent | any other critical bugs? | 14:09 |
cdent | #link check queue gate status http://status.openstack.org/elastic-recheck/index.html | 14:09 |
cdent | mriedem anything to say about that? | 14:09 |
cdent | must be parenting | 14:10 |
mriedem | nope | 14:10 |
cdent | timing is everything | 14:10 |
mriedem | teeth need to be brushed | 14:10 |
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cdent | #link 3rd party CI status http://ci-watch.tintri.com/project?project=nova&time=7+days | 14:11 |
mriedem | no news there really | 14:11 |
cdent | it is what is say on the tin | 14:11 |
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cdent | #topic reminders | 14:11 |
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cdent | #link Pike Review Priorities etherpad: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/pike-nova-priorities-tracking | 14:11 |
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cdent | subteams should start getting things on there | 14:11 |
cdent | if they haven't already | 14:11 |
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cdent | #link Forum planning: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Forum/Boston2017 | 14:12 |
mriedem | waits for next link... | 14:12 |
cdent | it seems the message has changed and now there will be more for devs at summit than initially expected | 14:12 |
cdent | the next link is for brainstorming nova stuff there | 14:12 |
mriedem | dansmith started an etherpad for nova stuff at the forum | 14:12 |
cdent | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/BOS-Nova-brainstorming Forum discussion planning for nova (dansmith) | 14:12 |
mriedem | it sounds like we'll have some time for meetup-style discussion in a large room with lots of smaller tables, | 14:13 |
mriedem | sounds like the lunch room at the PTG actually | 14:13 |
bauzas | mriedem: midcycle-ish ? | 14:13 |
mriedem | well, point is to try and get some topics on that etherpad for things that whoever is there can talk about | 14:13 |
mriedem | mostly going to be checkpointing on the status of the priorities | 14:13 |
bauzas | ack | 14:14 |
cdent | #topic stable branch status | 14:14 |
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mriedem | going to be doing an ocata release next week | 14:14 |
mriedem | after we get this quotas thing fixed | 14:14 |
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mriedem | there is another regression fix for libvirt+xen already backported so need to get that out | 14:15 |
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mriedem | b/c it breaks that type of deploy on upgrade to ocata depending on your libvirt/qemu versions | 14:15 |
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cdent | #topic subteam highlights | 14:16 |
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cdent | dansmith: you here? | 14:16 |
mriedem | i can vouch | 14:16 |
bauzas | not yet | 14:16 |
mriedem | dansmith has a series here https://review.openstack.org/#/c/442200/ for teaching the api about cells | 14:16 |
mriedem | we found some issues yesterday in the series so part of it has been moved out, | 14:16 |
mriedem | but dansmith has basically a clean tempest run at the end | 14:16 |
bauzas | yeah the set_target_cell() method was merged yesterday, cools | 14:17 |
mriedem | with multiple cells | 14:17 |
mriedem | the issue we found prompted https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/service-hyper-pci-uuid-in-api | 14:17 |
mriedem | i'm going to be writing a spec for that today or tomorrow | 14:17 |
mriedem | but the abstract has the details | 14:17 |
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mriedem | we also talked about the searchlight spec a bit https://review.openstack.org/#/c/441692/ | 14:17 |
mriedem | and counting quotas | 14:17 |
mriedem | longest cells meeting ever actually | 14:18 |
mriedem | that's it | 14:18 |
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cdent | edleafe: scheduler? | 14:18 |
edleafe | Discussed concerns about the destructive potential of bulk creation and deletion of traits. Resolved to remove those from the spec for now. | 14:18 |
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edleafe | Decided that resource updates in placement should not emit notifications - such notifications are best handled by the service managing the resource. | 14:18 |
edleafe | Need to get spec core eyeballs on traits spec: | 14:18 |
edleafe | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/345138/ | 14:18 |
edleafe | jroll to create specs for flavor changes needed for ironic resource classes. | 14:18 |
edleafe | Typing speeds: alex_xu > edleafe > jroll > cdent | 14:18 |
edleafe | EOM | 14:18 |
cdent | hey, I improved by the end | 14:18 |
edleafe | not enough | 14:18 |
cdent | fair | 14:18 |
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cdent | tdurakov: live migration? | 14:19 |
jaypipes | edleafe: it's on my list. | 14:19 |
edleafe | jaypipes: thx | 14:19 |
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cdent | anyone else from live migration? | 14:19 |
raj_singh | Mostly we talked about specs on LM | 14:19 |
armstrong | I am interested on live migration | 14:20 |
raj_singh | one to support LM of rescue instances | 14:20 |
raj_singh | I have few other specs up, as follow on from PTG | 14:20 |
raj_singh | that was pretty much it | 14:20 |
cdent | alex_xu or johnthetubaguy want to summarize api? | 14:21 |
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cdent | okay, we had some discussion summarizing capabilities talk at the PTG | 14:21 |
cdent | rob*cresswell showed up to ask about that a bit | 14:21 |
cdent | discussion about policy handling | 14:22 |
cdent | some long term noodling | 14:22 |
cdent | sr-iov/pci ? | 14:23 |
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mriedem | don't see moshele | 14:23 |
cdent | gibi: notifications? | 14:23 |
gibi | I started a weekly status / focus mail about notifications | 14:23 |
gibi | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-March/113358.html | 14:23 |
gibi | On the meeting the biggest buzz was about searchlight integration | 14:23 |
gibi | we found out that searchlight hasn't built on versioned notification yet. | 14:23 |
gibi | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/searchlight/+spec/nova-versioned-notifications | 14:23 |
gibi | on our side we need to focus on #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/additional-notification-fields-for-searchlight | 14:23 |
gibi | I will draft the BDM related payload pieces this week | 14:23 |
gibi | Short circuiting notifications progressing. The oslo.messaging part has been merged. | 14:24 |
gibi | EOM | 14:24 |
mriedem | thanks gibi | 14:24 |
cdent | nice summary | 14:24 |
cdent | efried, thorst : powervm? | 14:24 |
efried | Hi folks. We have six reviews ready for the broader team. They're listed in the etherpad, or here (the ones with CR+1): https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/powervm-nova-compute-driver+status:open | 14:24 |
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efried | The bottom few of these have been ready since the PTG. I don't know the protocol, and don't want to step on any toes, but how do I... er... encourage attention? | 14:25 |
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mriedem | efried: wait for the fires to go out? | 14:25 |
mriedem | just be patient | 14:25 |
efried | Cool beans. | 14:25 |
mriedem | efried: i've noticed you helping to review other patches too, | 14:25 |
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mriedem | that helps, thanks | 14:25 |
mriedem | karma and all | 14:25 |
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efried | Cool, will keep at that, for whatever it's worth ;-) | 14:26 |
efried | That's all I have. Thanks. | 14:26 |
cdent | mriedem you wanna do cinder? | 14:26 |
mriedem | yeah, status is the same as last week | 14:26 |
mriedem | lyarwood has the patches for uuid and attachment_id in bdm, | 14:26 |
mriedem | ildikov updated the patch to support cinder v3 | 14:26 |
mriedem | and johnthetubaguy has the spec to use the new apis | 14:26 |
mriedem | the nova/cinder meeting is later today | 14:26 |
cdent | cool | 14:27 |
mriedem | lyarwood: i think you need to address some stuff in those patches btw | 14:27 |
mriedem | looks like good review on john's spec though | 14:27 |
cdent | #topic stuck reviews | 14:27 |
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cdent | none listed on the agenda | 14:27 |
cdent | anyone? | 14:27 |
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cdent | #topic open discussion | 14:28 |
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cdent | edleafe? | 14:28 |
cdent | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/remove-openstack-api-directory | 14:28 |
edleafe | YEah, this is a low priority | 14:29 |
edleafe | but since we decided to only support one API, the 'openstack' subdirectory isn't needed | 14:29 |
cdent | yeah, that would be nice to clean up some day | 14:29 |
edleafe | Wanted to get others' input on this | 14:29 |
edleafe | I have a couple of baby steps in my local git | 14:30 |
bauzas | not sure it honestly requires a blueprint | 14:30 |
bauzas | it's just internal repackaging | 14:30 |
sfinucan | sounds like cleanup. Doubt we'd need a bp? | 14:30 |
bauzas | except tracking all needs | 14:30 |
sfinucan | ^ yeah, that | 14:30 |
edleafe | bauzas: yeah, but for tracking | 14:30 |
sfinucan | specless bp | 14:30 |
sfinucan | ? | 14:30 |
edleafe | sfinucan: that's what I was thinking | 14:31 |
bauzas | edleafe: well, there is a notion for that called gerrit topics but meh :) | 14:31 |
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bauzas | I defer to the parent who left (c) me to say whether you need blessing for a BP or not :) | 14:31 |
cdent | one issue is nova.api.openstack shows up in paste.ini | 14:32 |
edleafe | cdent: yes, that would have to change | 14:32 |
cdent | so upgrading becomes painful in some situations | 14:33 |
edleafe | ack | 14:33 |
cdent | there's one more open topic: | 14:33 |
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cdent | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/lvm-thin-pool | 14:33 |
cdent | but logan- is not here | 14:33 |
bauzas | cdent: oh good point for paste :/ | 14:34 |
cdent | Any other open topics? | 14:34 |
cdent | Then let's continue chatting in #openstack-nova | 14:34 |
cdent | thanks everyone for coming | 14:35 |
edleafe | thanks cdent | 14:35 |
sfinucan | cheers | 14:35 |
cdent | #endmeeting | 14:35 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 9 14:35:11 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:35 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2017/nova.2017-03-09-14.00.html | 14:35 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2017/nova.2017-03-09-14.00.txt | 14:35 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2017/nova.2017-03-09-14.00.log.html | 14:35 |
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johnthetubaguy | edleafe: FWIW, we went through some related cleanups in the API meeting yesterday | 14:36 |
edleafe | johnthetubaguy: I'll grab the logs and read them | 14:37 |
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kevinbenton | #startmeeting neutron_drivers | 22:00 |
openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 9 22:00:40 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is kevinbenton. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 22:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 22:00 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_drivers' | 22:00 |
kevinbenton | ihrachys, armax, amotoki: ping | 22:00 |
ihrachys | o/ | 22:01 |
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armax | hi | 22:01 |
kevinbenton | looks like Akihiro may be absent | 22:01 |
kevinbenton | shall we review some RFEs now or should we maybe try to find some new folks to join the drivers team for next week? | 22:02 |
ihrachys | both? | 22:02 |
ihrachys | we punted several meetings | 22:02 |
kevinbenton | yeah, it feels strange to make decisions with 1-2 people | 22:03 |
kevinbenton | let's see if we can get some non-contentious stuff done | 22:03 |
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armax | is there anything in the approved pipeline worth going over into? | 22:03 |
armax | or pike-1 targeted stuff that needs attention? | 22:03 |
armax | we don’t necessarily have to talk about unapproved RFEs if the existing workload is not moving at the pace it should | 22:04 |
armax | P-1 is sooner than we think | 22:04 |
kevinbenton | what do you want to discuss about existing ones? | 22:05 |
kevinbenton | deferring them? | 22:05 |
kevinbenton | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bugs?field.tag=rfe-approved | 22:05 |
armax | I am talking about https://launchpad.net/neutron/+milestone/pike-1 more specifically | 22:05 |
armax | https://launchpad.net/neutron/+milestone/pike-1 | 22:05 |
ihrachys | I hear that https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/l2-api-extensions may loose its approver | 22:06 |
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armax | ihrachys: how so? | 22:07 |
armax | is ajo no longer able to work upstream? | 22:08 |
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ihrachys | I think ajo was going to pull himself off it though I will let him to update with specifics | 22:08 |
armax | on the OVS agent data plane? | 22:08 |
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ihrachys | armax: why no! but priorities shift | 22:08 |
kevinbenton | ok. i would rather actually bring up these blueprints already in progress in the main meeting | 22:08 |
kevinbenton | because otherwise it's hard to bring attention to the wider community on these issues | 22:09 |
armax | true | 22:09 |
kevinbenton | we can see if we have another volunteer in the next meeting to take ajo's place | 22:09 |
armax | but the main meeting is packed | 22:09 |
armax | we can at least do some filtering here | 22:09 |
armax | but you’re the boss | 22:09 |
armax | if nothing else, I think it’s long overdue to come up with a decision about https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/security-group-logging | 22:09 |
armax | it’s been many releases this hasn’t gone anywhere | 22:10 |
kevinbenton | well it has been revised many times | 22:10 |
ihrachys | I believe it was raised during ptg and the resolution was it (and similar initiatives) is blocked by ml2 binding validation work that should have gotten its own RFE | 22:10 |
armax | we’re still at the spec level | 22:10 |
kevinbenton | yes, and I think the API is agreed on now, right? | 22:11 |
kevinbenton | the last stuff is coming down to OVS implementation | 22:12 |
ihrachys | I believe it was, yes. so should we ask ml2 folks to report BP and then we can set blueprint dependencies properly? and push work on ml2 binding validation from there? | 22:12 |
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kevinbenton | why is it blocked on binding validation? | 22:14 |
kevinbenton | just ensuring that something supports the logging? | 22:14 |
ihrachys | yeah otherwise you enable a feature but it doesn't work, and there is no api way to detect that | 22:14 |
ihrachys | like we have for qos right now | 22:15 |
kevinbenton | and security groups | 22:16 |
ihrachys | it's an old question of whether we should allow those cases to creep in, or block them on framework enhancement | 22:17 |
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ihrachys | in Ocata we blocked some qos feature work on rule validation enhancements. that case does seem similar. | 22:18 |
kevinbenton | right, so far we've achieved the blocking part but we're missing out on the framework enhancements :) | 22:18 |
armax | personally I’d rather build a solid framework | 22:18 |
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armax | and then lay on top features than the other way around | 22:18 |
ihrachys | kevinbenton: because no one works. now why is it? is it because people refuse to, or because they are not aware of dependency chain? | 22:18 |
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kevinbenton | ihrachys: it may be the latter | 22:19 |
ihrachys | kevinbenton: for qos, we definitely saw rule validation enhanced this cycle. partially I attribute that to the stand taken by armax | 22:19 |
kevinbenton | ihrachys: but it ended up being a qos-specific feature, no? | 22:20 |
kevinbenton | ihrachys: we can't re-use that right now, or can we | 22:20 |
ihrachys | it was, because at that moment it was not seen as a common issue. | 22:20 |
ihrachys | or rather qos folks were not told they gotta make it more reusable. | 22:20 |
ihrachys | so that's our opportunity to take what landed and make it more generic | 22:21 |
kevinbenton | do we ask the security group logging folks to work on that? | 22:22 |
ihrachys | I would think people talking about that mechanism during ptg would chime in, but yes, help from other sides would be good to see. | 22:23 |
kevinbenton | we can fix the dependency visibility, and hopefully it will help. what i'm worried about is that we are telling other people to go off and make larger architectural fixes | 22:23 |
ihrachys | has anyone followed up with ml2 folks after ptg on that matter? I hope it won't end up as another nice thing discussed but never materialized | 22:23 |
kevinbenton | that they don't have the background knowledge to dig into | 22:23 |
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ihrachys | that's a valid concern. so who's going to dig architectural fixes? | 22:25 |
kevinbenton | i don't see the ml2 people following up with https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bugs?field.tag=rfe&orderby=-id&start=0 | 22:25 |
kevinbenton | i'll reach out to rkukura and see who is actually going to work on it | 22:25 |
ihrachys | that makes sense | 22:25 |
ihrachys | overall I would suggest to track ptg discussions in some medium that would avoid things slipping thru cracks. | 22:26 |
ihrachys | some teams took over relevant notes from etherpads and oral discussions and follow up on them | 22:26 |
ihrachys | but some may need some pokes :) | 22:26 |
ihrachys | kevinbenton: do you want to add an action item onto yourself to follow up? #action | 22:27 |
kevinbenton | #action kevinbenton to follow up with Bob about ML2 driver capability work | 22:27 |
kevinbenton | the security group logging API is operator-only, isn't it? | 22:28 |
ihrachys | I see what you imply. that may change the priority of validation | 22:29 |
ihrachys | I guess with that in mind we could make a one-off exception. armax? | 22:30 |
kevinbenton | yeah, if this is operator-only, i would rather just not even make this dependent on that framework | 22:30 |
kevinbenton | because presumably the operator is aware of what backend they are using | 22:31 |
armax | one-off exception to give that a blank check? | 22:31 |
ihrachys | define thta | 22:32 |
ihrachys | *that | 22:32 |
armax | kevinbenton: the problem is not so much that the operator knows, it’s when you have multiple backends active at the same time and you may get impredictable results depending on where the VM lands | 22:32 |
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kevinbenton | armax: and how do you think the ml2 framework would help that for operator defined things? | 22:32 |
kevinbenton | armax: it would just silently fail all user ports that end up on other mechanism drivers? | 22:33 |
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armax | not sure I have an answer handy right now | 22:33 |
kevinbenton | well unless we have a clear thing the dependency would be good for in this case, maybe we shouldn't block this particular patch | 22:34 |
kevinbenton | shall we discuss some RFEs? | 22:35 |
kevinbenton | i'm going to comment on the spec | 22:36 |
ihrachys | kevinbenton: easy one: should we close https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1463784 ? | 22:36 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1463784 in neutron "[RFE] Networking L2 Gateway does not work with DVR" [Wishlist,In progress] | 22:36 |
ihrachys | seems handled on l2gw side | 22:36 |
armax | kevinbenton: have you considered who is going to help throughout the review process if rossella doesn’t have much time? | 22:36 |
armax | as for the RFE you just mentined, this probably needs to be recycled | 22:37 |
kevinbenton | armax: what does that mean? | 22:37 |
kevinbenton | it sounds like it should be closed | 22:38 |
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ihrachys | I think there is no work on neutron side | 22:38 |
ihrachys | so we can just Won't Fix or smth | 22:38 |
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kevinbenton | i think just remove neutron | 22:39 |
armax | OK | 22:39 |
armax | I marked it invalid | 22:39 |
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ihrachys | kevinbenton: what's next? | 22:41 |
kevinbenton | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bugs?field.status%3Alist=Triaged&field.tag=rfe | 22:41 |
kevinbenton | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1476527 | 22:42 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1476527 in neutron "[RFE] Add common classifier resource" [Wishlist,Triaged] - Assigned to Igor Duarte Cardoso (igordcard) | 22:42 |
kevinbenton | so common classifier | 22:42 |
ihrachys | I heard Igor is working on PoC in neutron-classifier repo scope | 22:42 |
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kevinbenton | yeah, it sounds like it's still out of tree for now | 22:43 |
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ihrachys | I think it's fine to leave him poking the thing and get back it once/if he has something | 22:43 |
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kevinbenton | ok | 22:43 |
armax | I think no-one is opposed to the idea | 22:43 |
armax | once the effort gets some critical mass we can consider it for governance inclusion | 22:44 |
armax | and adoption in other subprojects | 22:44 |
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kevinbenton | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1525824 | 22:44 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1525824 in neutron "[RFE] Add a 'promiscuous mode' extension for ports" [Wishlist,Triaged] | 22:44 |
armax | let’s recycle this one | 22:45 |
armax | submitter never came back | 22:45 |
kevinbenton | armax: i still don't know what recycle means | 22:45 |
armax | mark incomplete | 22:45 |
kevinbenton | armax: ok | 22:45 |
kevinbenton | armax: yeah | 22:45 |
armax | so that LP bot can expire in due course | 22:45 |
ihrachys | "If the code fails to merge, the bug report may be marked as incomplete, unassigned and untargeted, and it will be garbage collected by the Launchpad Janitor if no-one takes over in time. Renewed interest in the feature will have to go through RFE submission process once again." | 22:45 |
armax | should have marked incomplete long time ago, tbh | 22:45 |
armax | ihrachys == LP bot | 22:46 |
kevinbenton | right, but it's not like we are able to use the number again so it's not recycled :) | 22:46 |
armax | kevinbenton: the RFE can alway come back to life | 22:46 |
kevinbenton | bringing it back to life would be the recycling part :) | 22:46 |
ihrachys | sigh | 22:46 |
kevinbenton | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1541895 | 22:47 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1541895 in neutron "[RFE] [IPAM] Make IPAM driver a per-subnet pool option" [Wishlist,Triaged] | 22:47 |
kevinbenton | I would say mark incomplete for this one | 22:47 |
kevinbenton | until John shows resources | 22:47 |
armax | yes, we can ping John again just in case | 22:47 |
kevinbenton | armax: ok, do you want to do that? | 22:47 |
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armax | done | 22:47 |
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kevinbenton | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1610898 | 22:48 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1610898 in neutron "[RFE] create "baremetal" Mechanism ML2 driver" [Wishlist,Triaged] | 22:48 |
ihrachys | ^ That's misplaced. let's Won't Fix, it's not in our scope to maintain a driver for BM is it? | 22:49 |
kevinbenton | sounds like this can be won't fix | 22:49 |
kevinbenton | IMO no | 22:49 |
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armax | I think this is won’t fix | 22:49 |
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armax | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1610898/comments/6 | 22:50 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1610898 in neutron "[RFE] create "baremetal" Mechanism ML2 driver" [Wishlist,Won't fix] | 22:50 |
armax | we don’t need and RFE to instrument the codebase with callbacks | 22:50 |
kevinbenton | ok | 22:50 |
kevinbenton | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1622753 | 22:51 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1622753 in neutron "[RFE] Block non-IP traffic in security groups/firewall driver" [Wishlist,Triaged] | 22:51 |
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armax | we might have lost the contributor here | 22:52 |
kevinbenton | yeah, let's ping Dustin on there and see if he wants to work on it at all | 22:53 |
armax | not sure we could do anything about this one even if we wanted to | 22:53 |
kevinbenton | we could potentially do something with a new attribute on the port | 22:53 |
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kevinbenton | a new config option is a bit problematic since it's not API discoverable | 22:54 |
ihrachys | kevinbenton: more like security group attribute? | 22:54 |
armax | ihrachys: yeah | 22:54 |
kevinbenton | ihrachys: well not quite, a port can be associated with many security groups | 22:54 |
kevinbenton | ihrachys: and this is about filtering traffic not defined by the security groups | 22:54 |
armax | it’s probably even a new resource altogether IMO | 22:54 |
ihrachys | fwaas is it? :) | 22:54 |
armax | I wouldn’t mix the two | 22:55 |
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kevinbenton | armax: what do you mean a new resource? | 22:55 |
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armax | kevinbenton: I don’t think that using the security group API is going to cut it | 22:56 |
kevinbenton | armax: it seems like it will need to be a property of the port or maybe the network | 22:56 |
ihrachys | kevinbenton: well we already should have some kind of convergence mechanism for multiple groups. it's just a matter of picking the intended behaviour on conflicting rules? | 22:56 |
kevinbenton | ihrachys: there can't be conflicting rules | 22:56 |
kevinbenton | ihrachys: security groups only denies | 22:56 |
kevinbenton | ihrachys: sorry | 22:56 |
kevinbenton | ihrachys: allows | 22:56 |
kevinbenton | ihrachys: so they compose | 22:56 |
kevinbenton | the issue is that we have an impliticit allow rule right now with one of the drivers | 22:57 |
ihrachys | ah right | 22:58 |
kevinbenton | well let's ping Dustin, no point in deliberating if we have nobody to work on int | 22:58 |
kevinbenton | it* | 22:58 |
ihrachys | + | 22:58 |
ihrachys | time check 2 mins | 22:58 |
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armax | aye | 22:59 |
kevinbenton | ok | 22:59 |
kevinbenton | was hoping to approve https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1630981 | 22:59 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1630981 in neutron "[rfe] Implement l2pop driver functionality in l2 agent" [Wishlist,Triaged] | 22:59 |
kevinbenton | since i'm not sure there is a downside | 22:59 |
kevinbenton | but we can discuss next week | 23:00 |
kevinbenton | thanks | 23:00 |
armax | I am +2 on that one | 23:00 |
kevinbenton | #endmeeting | 23:00 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 9 23:00:21 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 23:00 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2017/neutron_drivers.2017-03-09-22.00.html | 23:00 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2017/neutron_drivers.2017-03-09-22.00.txt | 23:00 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2017/neutron_drivers.2017-03-09-22.00.log.html | 23:00 |
armax | we just have to work out who works on it :) | 23:00 |
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armax | ihrachys, kevinbenton btw | 23:00 |
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armax | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/425990/ | 23:00 |
armax | I am going to respin it later today | 23:01 |
armax | we should probably put that behind us | 23:01 |
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