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| lennyb_ | #startmeeting third-party | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Mon Feb 27 15:00:20 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is lennyb_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: third-party)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'third_party' | 15:00 |
| lennyb_ | Hello | 15:00 |
| asselin | o/ | 15:00 |
| lennyb_ | how are you asselin? | 15:00 |
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| asselin | i'm fine, yourself? | 15:01 |
| lennyb | our CI is down for a few days due to #link refs/changes/80/437880/1 | 15:02 |
| lennyb | and we are upgrading our Ci from Ub14.04 to 16.04 | 15:02 |
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| asselin | why the upgrade? did -infra upgrade already? | 15:02 |
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| mmedvede | o/ | 15:03 |
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| lennyb | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/437880 | 15:03 |
| lennyb | seems that devstack was not 'checked' on Ub14.04 and either I need to FORCE=yes or upgrade the CI servers | 15:04 |
| lennyb | asselin, I am upgrading Mellanox Internal CI | 15:04 |
| lennyb | hi mmedvede | 15:04 |
| mmedvede | we are using FORCE all the time, makes things easier | 15:04 |
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| asselin | I haven't seen issues....maybe we have it pinned somewhere | 15:05 |
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| lennyb | mmedvede...yeah, but we need to check newer OS somewhen :) | 15:05 |
| lennyb | mmedvede, maybe I will take your proposal and upgrade things slower | 15:06 |
| lennyb | anything else you would like to bring up/discuss/complain ? | 15:06 |
| mmedvede | lennyb: we are using 16.04, FORCE by default just makes it easier in case we decide to use something non-standard. | 15:06 |
| mmedvede | last week was not a good week for third-party CIs :) | 15:07 |
| lennyb | did some of you saw 'No hosts found to map to cell, exiting.' issue? | 15:07 |
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| lennyb | mmedvede, I have this week 'not a good' one | 15:08 |
| mptacekx | lennyb: hi, can't be related to placement api introduction from earlier ? is nova-compute running | 15:08 |
| mptacekx | mmedvede: not good indeed | 15:08 |
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| asselin | only I have is a request to review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/263021/ | 15:08 |
| lennyb | mptacekx, 'InternalError: Nova requires QEMU version 2.1.0 or greater.' :) | 15:09 |
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| lennyb | mptacekx, thanks. | 15:09 |
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| lennyb | thanks asselin. | 15:10 |
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| lennyb | anything else on those issues? | 15:11 |
| mptacekx | lennyb: we dont face that, due to nfv issues being tested we are using newer qemu 2.5+ | 15:11 |
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| lennyb | anything else to discuss? | 15:13 |
| mptacekx | we're currently fighting with 2 issues: 1) local.conf handling change when https://review.openstack.org/#/c/326585/ got merged (need to adapt on that) 2) race condition on setuptools with https://bugs.launchpad.net/devstack/+bug/1667545 - WA mentioned inside that ticket with pinning on tempest currently works well | 15:14 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1667545 in devstack "install_tempest failed at uninstalling appdirs 1.4.1" [Undecided,In progress] | 15:14 |
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| mmedvede | For some reason our CI (IBM PowerKVM) was not affected by the appdirs bug | 15:15 |
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| lennyb | thanks mptaceks, we are facing this issue as well | 15:16 |
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| mmedvede | we do not pin tempest, and we use rather standard dib build process similar to upstream infra | 15:16 |
| mptacekx | mmedvede: also upstream jenkins was not affected by that, no idea why. just found small discrepancy in logs, failing logs are building cmd2 wheels, working upstream not | 15:16 |
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| mptacekx | mmedvede: can you please share the "standard dib build process way" ? | 15:17 |
| mptacekx | mmedvede: how to prevent "bad" setuptools to be deployed on system w/o patching tempest ? | 15:18 |
| mmedvede | mptacekx: by "standard" I mean the one that infra team uses for their ubuntu images, they have a bunch of dib elements. We mostly copied that | 15:19 |
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| mmedvede | mptacekx: I can share more details if you're interested after the meeting. But it could be too involved just to fix appdirs problem | 15:20 |
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| mptacekx | mmedvede: thanks, I would appreciate that. maybe link to the relevant part of elements from project-config repo or somewhere would be great | 15:21 |
| lennyb | mptacekx, IMHO the bug should be fixed, since workarounds are not welcome | 15:21 |
| mptacekx | lennyb: thanks, I would cross-check and remove the WA. Out of curiosity still interested in the "elements way" | 15:22 |
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| mmedvede | mptacekx: that's the problem, I do not know which part is relevant :) Infra-specific elements are here https://github.com/openstack-infra/project-config/tree/master/nodepool/elements | 15:22 |
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| mmedvede | and they also have part of image update in puppet, which is whole another level | 15:23 |
| mmedvede | so just for working around appdir problem, it is not worth it | 15:23 |
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| mptacekx | mmedvede: IMHO newer setuptools is not installed because of something on cloud-image but beacuse of it's availability in repo and by using pip -U install setuptools and not restricted in requirements like for tempest it simply comes up | 15:24 |
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| mmedvede | mptacekx: fwiw, here is their image update log: http://nb01.openstack.org/dib.ubuntu-xenial.log | 15:25 |
| mptacekx | mmedvede: I also have some indications that wa is now not needed (also from lennyb few rows back), maybe it's simply gone | 15:26 |
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| mptacekx | mmedved: thanks, there are installing setuptools-34.2.0-py2.py3-none-any.whl which should be also wrong as it's from 34.x.x line, no idea why they were not impacted | 15:27 |
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| lennyb | I have a nodepool question. is there a way to save /var/log/nodepool/image/image.log unique for each image? we have 3 images and logs are overqritten | 15:29 |
| asselin | lennyb, yes there is | 15:30 |
| asselin | there's a script that will do that...let me look it up | 15:30 |
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| asselin | #link nodepool log config tool http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/system-config/tree/tools/nodepool_log_config.py | 15:31 |
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| asselin | didn't make it to project-config....I don't remember why, but I there was a reason | 15:32 |
| lennyb | asselin, thanks, I will check it | 15:32 |
| asselin | ok yeah...the script is configured to look at project-config by default: http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/system-config/tree/tools/nodepool_log_config.py#n33 | 15:33 |
| lennyb | asselin, do I need to run it once ? | 15:33 |
| asselin | yes | 15:34 |
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| lennyb | asselin, thanks, I will try it. | 15:34 |
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| asselin | I don't recallthe details, but it does work and very useful to have each image in their own log file. | 15:34 |
| lennyb | I wander why it's not the default behaviour | 15:35 |
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| asselin | ++ probably waiting for someone to propose the patch.. I remember discussing this with jeblair and mordred a long time ago. | 15:36 |
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| mmedvede | I think because it would require more complexity from nodepool code, more code. This way it is just logging config, left as an exercise to the user. | 15:36 |
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| asselin | anyway, the script is simple enough, works, and new images aren't added frequently | 15:37 |
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| lennyb | thanks. any other issues to discuss? | 15:37 |
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| lennyb | in that case, thank you all for coming. I will end the meeting now | 15:39 |
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| lennyb | asselin, mmedvede, mptacekx thanks for showing up. | 15:42 |
| lennyb | #endmeeting | 15:43 |
| mmedvede | lennyb: thanks | 15:44 |
| mmedvede | bot is asleep? :) | 15:44 |
| lennyb | mmedvede, I've saw him flirting with a bot-girl :), probably got lucky | 15:45 |
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| lennyb | #endmeeting | 15:47 |
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| fungi | lennyb: your nick has changed since you started the meeting | 15:50 |
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| fungi | lennyb: try `/nick lenyb_` and then #endmeeting again | 15:51 |
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| fungi | er, lennyb_ | 15:51 |
| mmedvede | thanks fungi | 15:51 |
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| lennyb_ | #endmeeting | 15:51 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 15:51 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Feb 27 15:51:41 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:51 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2017/third_party.2017-02-27-15.00.html | 15:51 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2017/third_party.2017-02-27-15.00.txt | 15:51 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2017/third_party.2017-02-27-15.00.log.html | 15:51 |
| fungi | if you change nicks mid-meeting it won't realize you're still the chair | 15:51 |
| lennyb | fungi, thanks | 15:52 |
| fungi | np | 15:52 |
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| emagana | Hello UC Folks! | 19:01 |
| emagana | Meeting time! | 19:01 |
| jproulx | howdy | 19:01 |
| emagana | #startmeeting uc | 19:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Feb 27 19:01:34 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is emagana. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: uc)" | 19:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'uc' | 19:01 |
| jamemcc | Hello | 19:01 |
| leong | o/ | 19:01 |
| mrhillsman | o/ | 19:02 |
| jproulx | o/ | 19:02 |
| emagana | #chair add mrhillsman | 19:02 |
| openstack | Warning: Nick not in channel: add | 19:02 |
| openstack | Current chairs: add emagana mrhillsman | 19:02 |
| emagana | #chair add jproulx | 19:02 |
| openstack | Current chairs: add emagana jproulx mrhillsman | 19:02 |
| emagana | do we have shamail and shilla? | 19:02 |
| emagana | We have a long agenda. #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/Foundation/UserCommittee | 19:03 |
| emagana | Let's start with roll call and making sure we have quorum for UC related decisions. | 19:03 |
| emagana | mrhillsman, jproulx and emagana | 19:04 |
| mrhillsman | o/ | 19:04 |
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| jproulx | o/ | 19:04 |
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| emagana | we have quorum. | 19:04 |
| emagana | #topic Welcome UC elected members: Shamail and Melvin | 19:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Welcome UC elected members: Shamail and Melvin (Meeting topic: uc)" | 19:04 | |
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| jproulx | welcome mrhillsman | 19:05 |
| mrhillsman | glad to be on the team | 19:05 |
| emagana | We have a great (almost flawless) UC election process. We want to welcome Shamail and Melvin to the UC. Well done folks! | 19:05 |
| emagana | I want to thank also the rest of the candidates. Remember that we will have another election in fall with 3 positions available. | 19:06 |
| jproulx | +1 | 19:06 |
| mrhillsman | indeed | 19:06 |
| leong | btw, just want to brought up that some "AUC" mentioned that they did not receive email of vote | 19:06 |
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| emagana | #topic UC Chair - Election: #link https://governance.openstack.org/uc/reference/charter.html | 19:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "UC Chair - Election: #link https://governance.openstack.org/uc/reference/charter.html (Meeting topic: uc)" | 19:06 | |
| shamail | Sorry, IRC client was giving me issues. o/ | 19:06 |
| jproulx | welcome shamail! | 19:07 |
| mrhillsman | hey shamail! | 19:07 |
| emagana | leong: Let's address that with Tom F. | 19:07 |
| emagana | Hi shamail | 19:07 |
| shamail | Thanks :) | 19:07 |
| emagana | You just missed your welcome message ;-) | 19:07 |
| shamail | I feel welcome already! | 19:07 |
| leong | sure... maybe an action to validate the AUC list and email... :-) | 19:07 |
| shamail | There is a backend tool that captures and lists AUCs... should be easy for Tom | 19:08 |
| emagana | leong: Is it fine putting in the next meeting agenda to review AUC cases that di not receive the email to vote? | 19:08 |
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| leong | sure emagana~ | 19:08 |
| emagana | awesome! | 19:08 |
| emagana | shamail, mrhillsman, jon, emagana anyone wants to volunteer as Uc Chair? | 19:09 |
| shamail | my vote is for emagana :) | 19:09 |
| mrhillsman | i can volunteer | 19:09 |
| shamail | Can we nominate others? | 19:09 |
| emagana | anyone which is UC, so only between the five of us | 19:10 |
| mrhillsman | yep | 19:10 |
| shamail | Cool | 19:10 |
| mrhillsman | emagana you want to chair? | 19:10 |
| emagana | we have then, myself and mrhillsman as UC candidates | 19:11 |
| emagana | mrhillsman: I think I kind of doing that for some time.. SO, I will be glad to continue. | 19:11 |
| mrhillsman | tbh, i will if no one else has time | 19:11 |
| jamemcc | Perhaps it makes sense to have the new Committee be the chairs and the standing committee can coach. | 19:12 |
| mrhillsman | my current work requirements allow me time as it is strictly community focused | 19:12 |
| jamemcc | Forgive my outspokeness - can tell me to hold off | 19:12 |
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| emagana | #startvote UC chair? mrhillsman, emagana | 19:13 |
| openstack | Begin voting on: UC chair? Valid vote options are mrhillsman, emagana. | 19:13 |
| openstack | Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only your last vote counts. | 19:13 |
| mrhillsman | opinions welcome | 19:13 |
| shamail | #vote emagana | 19:13 |
| shamail | Thanks for volunteering mrhillsman! | 19:13 |
| emagana | Only mrhillsman, shamail, emagana and jproulx can vote | 19:13 |
| jproulx | #vote emagana | 19:13 |
| mrhillsman | shamail...you hurt my heart | 19:13 |
| mrhillsman | lol | 19:13 |
| shamail | Haha | 19:13 |
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| emagana | #vote emagana | 19:14 |
| shamail | I'll vote for you in 6 months! | 19:14 |
| mrhillsman | #vote emagana | 19:14 |
| jproulx | I'd really be happy with either but If I split the vote i'd get wierd with 4 of us here :) | 19:14 |
| jamemcc | Also I think there is some logic to having more time for Edgar to persue improtant projects he knows of - he is a rare commodity - not that you all aren't | 19:14 |
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| emagana | #showvote | 19:14 |
| openstack | emagana (4): shamail, mrhillsman, jproulx, emagana | 19:14 |
| emagana | #endvote | 19:14 |
| openstack | Voted on "UC chair?" Results are | 19:14 |
| openstack | emagana (4): shamail, mrhillsman, jproulx, emagana | 19:14 |
| emagana | Thanks Folks! | 19:14 |
| mrhillsman | emagana please feel free to allow me to proxy and assist when needed | 19:15 |
| emagana | I know this was a bit weird but this is the only way to can gain experience and good habit about leading the UC to the same level that Board and TC. | 19:15 |
| shamail | You all should have split the vote so we have to make another process | 19:15 |
| emagana | LOL! | 19:15 |
| mrhillsman | dang | 19:15 |
| shamail | Agree emagana | 19:16 |
| emagana | #action UC will communicate to BoD about emagana elected as UC Chair. | 19:16 |
| jproulx | we still love you mrhillsman <3 | 19:16 |
| mrhillsman | i know i know | 19:16 |
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| shamail | jproulx: +1 | 19:16 |
| emagana | mrhillsman: you can't win two elections in a row man! | 19:16 |
| mrhillsman | emagana knows i will bug him anyways to learn as much as i can :) | 19:16 |
| shamail | Haha | 19:16 |
| emagana | Thank you folks for the support. | 19:16 |
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| emagana | moving on | 19:17 |
| emagana | #topic Product WG proposal: #link https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1jTlO4UdNjc5cOKboeCNhLDEdttazWWlDgNxxulUrPNg/edit | 19:17 |
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| mrhillsman | i reviewed | 19:17 |
| emagana | leong: I think you have received enough feedback. | 19:17 |
| mrhillsman | and left comment which has been addressed | 19:17 |
| shamail | Same | 19:17 |
| emagana | The question is, are we ready to present? | 19:17 |
| leong | thanks for reviewing.. and i think shamail also replied that.. | 19:18 |
| leong | any comments/suggestions/questions on the proposal? | 19:18 |
| leong | on the question of selecting 2 UC on slide 3: Forum.. this was something from this wiki page: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Forum | 19:19 |
| emagana | I think we should present the proposal to the Board during the next join Board+TC+UC meeting in Boston. As far as I know mrhillsman will be attending in person. | 19:19 |
| mrhillsman | you are right | 19:19 |
| jproulx | I'll also be at BOS meeting | 19:19 |
| leong | assuming the Forum Selection Committee still stand? | 19:19 |
| mrhillsman | jproulx is listed as attending in person too | 19:19 |
| leong | i will be at BOS meeting as well.. | 19:19 |
| mrhillsman | yes, selection committee is 2 uc, 2 tc, 2 foundation | 19:19 |
| shamail | I'd like to suggest that if we move forward with this then we have someone from UC also participate in the meetings that PWG has on the planning. Happy to wear two hats if it makes sense | 19:19 |
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| emagana | I recommend to have mrhillsman and leong to work together in preparing the final details on the proposal in order to be presented during the meeting with the Board. | 19:20 |
| leong | +1 to shamail :-) | 19:20 |
| shamail | another UC participant would be welcome | 19:20 |
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| mrhillsman | definitely count me in | 19:20 |
| emagana | shamail: I do support the idea | 19:20 |
| leong | are we aiming to present that at BOS board meeting? | 19:20 |
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| shamail | Leong: that would be ideal | 19:20 |
| jproulx | this all sounds good to me | 19:21 |
| mrhillsman | +1 | 19:21 |
| leong | if that's the case, i assume someone from UCneed to propose an agenda item to Board? | 19:21 |
| emagana | jproulx: Are you fine with mrhillsman and shamail? Or do you want to participate as well? We can vote | 19:21 |
| mrhillsman | we have time on the agenda leong for a presentation | 19:21 |
| jproulx | mrhillsman and shamail | 19:21 |
| emagana | leong: Yes, I will do that. | 19:21 |
| shamail | Thanks | 19:21 |
| leong | I can help with mrhillsman and shamail from Product WG perspetive (wearing PWG chair hat) | 19:21 |
| emagana | #action emagana add PWG proposal to Board agenda (I hope we cstill can add items to the agenda) :-0 | 19:22 |
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| emagana | leong: Yes, they will need all that help. | 19:22 |
| shamail | emagana: this is probably the last F2F before Forum so you should have a strong case | 19:22 |
| emagana | I will chase Alan directly. :-) | 19:22 |
| emagana | right after this meeting.. | 19:23 |
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| leong | nice | 19:23 |
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| emagana | #topic Review previous Action Items | 19:23 |
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| mrhillsman | nothing more here it seems | 19:25 |
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| emagana | Mostly from my side we need to have a ML proposing the AUC membership for WGs members. Basically, reviewing the AUC assignation. I was really busy and I want to learn to delegate. So, in the past shamail lead very nicely the AUC part. Would you take this action item from me? | 19:25 |
| emagana | :-) | 19:25 |
| shamail | Yes, would be glad | 19:26 |
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| emagana | I do not want to take a log of today's meeting in this topic but we need to follow on some concerns from jamemcc about the AUC and WG membership. We can work on that offline. | 19:26 |
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| emagana | jamemcc: would that be ok? | 19:27 |
| jamemcc | Yes - great - gald to work offline | 19:27 |
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| emagana | ok, let's move on. | 19:27 |
| shamail | I'll connect with you jamemcc | 19:27 |
| emagana | #topic Board + TC + UC meeting in Boston (March 8-9, 2017) | 19:27 |
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| shamail | I will miss 3/8 and will only be there for late afternoon on 3/9 | 19:28 |
| emagana | What else do we want to discuss in that meeting? | 19:28 |
| emagana | I can't attend in person unfortunately but I will be attending remotely. | 19:28 |
| shamail | Can we start with who will be attending? | 19:28 |
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| jproulx | o/ | 19:29 |
| mrhillsman | o/ | 19:29 |
| leong | o/ | 19:29 |
| * leong representing ProductWG | 19:29 | |
| shamail | Any other WG chairs? | 19:29 |
| leong | i tink InterOp? | 19:29 |
| mrhillsman | interop is part of invite | 19:29 |
| shamail | Yes, but that's not UC WG | 19:30 |
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| leong | as far as i can tell from the list, PWG is the only one under UC WG | 19:30 |
| mrhillsman | in person i do not think any other wg chairs are slated to attend | 19:30 |
| emagana | ok. We will have good representation. | 19:30 |
| shamail | Awesome. Sounds like we'll have quorum | 19:31 |
| mrhillsman | i believe anyone can by remote | 19:31 |
| leong | btw, the BOS agenda is here: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/Foundation/8Mar2017BoardMeeting | 19:31 |
| jproulx | we have a request for short introduction of what UC does (TC and Board will do same), has anyone started work on that? | 19:31 |
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| shamail | I'll be sending an email with my thoughts for 3/8 | 19:32 |
| emagana | Meeting Agenda #link: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/Foundation/8Mar2017BoardMeeting | 19:32 |
| shamail | Good point jproulx | 19:33 |
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| emagana | jproulx: I have some slides that we put together for Barcelona | 19:33 |
| mrhillsman | that would be great | 19:34 |
| jproulx | mrhillsman would you like to present the 5min over view or shall I (since we're the 2 who will be in person) | 19:34 |
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| mrhillsman | i yield to you to make that decision | 19:34 |
| emagana | Let me put those slides in a google doc and share with you all for feedback | 19:34 |
| mrhillsman | i am ok with doing so | 19:34 |
| shamail | I think the activities we have planned for these two days are good. I would also like the UC to volunteer to help gather more user data if needed based on the outcome of 3/8 | 19:34 |
| jproulx | emagana: +1 to slides | 19:35 |
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| emagana | #action emagana start the google doc with the UC Intro slides | 19:35 |
| emagana | #all should review the slides and get them ready for the meeting with the Board and TC | 19:35 |
| emagana | anything else on this topic? | 19:35 |
| shamail | Emagana: what would you say the deadline for getting the board? | 19:36 |
| leong | +1 shamail | 19:36 |
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| emagana | shamail: just before the meeting :-) | 19:36 |
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| mrhillsman | lol | 19:36 |
| emagana | they do not need to review them before the meeting | 19:36 |
| shamail | Ok, three glasses because Alan like to send out a packet for remote attendees | 19:36 |
| emagana | march 8 8:00am EST | 19:36 |
| shamail | Lol Siri | 19:37 |
| mrhillsman | i will be in boston on the 7th | 19:37 |
| emagana | shamail: I missed that part. | 19:37 |
| shamail | Three glasses = the reason | 19:37 |
| emagana | Ok, let's check with Alan. | 19:37 |
| shamail | He normally likes the content ahead of time to be able to send it out | 19:37 |
| emagana | understood! | 19:38 |
| mrhillsman | Friday? | 19:38 |
| jproulx | makes sense | 19:38 |
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| shamail | mrhillsman: +1 | 19:38 |
| mrhillsman | at least having some close to final draft | 19:38 |
| emagana | Let's do not jump into any date, let's chack with him first | 19:38 |
| jproulx | +1 | 19:38 |
| jproulx | let's call it a goal not a deadline :) | 19:38 |
| mrhillsman | ^ | 19:38 |
| emagana | The slides that we have already are very close to final version, obviously we need to add few things. | 19:39 |
| shamail | Perfect! | 19:39 |
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| emagana | next topic? | 19:39 |
| mrhillsman | +! | 19:39 |
| mrhillsman | -_- | 19:39 |
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| emagana | #topic Review Forum Brainstorming Invite: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/uc-forum-brainstorm-invite | 19:39 |
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| mrhillsman | i reviewed during the thread before it got too confusing | 19:40 |
| shamail | We created this email with help from Tom to start the process around brainstorming Forum sessions. I will send it out today if we all agree on the draft. | 19:40 |
| jproulx | that looks pretty good to me | 19:40 |
| emagana | I like it as well. | 19:40 |
| emagana | I think we should go for it. The sooner the better. | 19:40 |
| jproulx | +1 | 19:40 |
| shamail | Cool, thanks! I'll send it today. | 19:40 |
| emagana | awesome. That is easy! | 19:41 |
| emagana | That was easy* | 19:41 |
| emagana | #topic Forum Session Selection Candidates | 19:41 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Forum Session Selection Candidates (Meeting topic: uc)" | 19:41 | |
| shamail | I'd like to volunteer to help with this. | 19:41 |
| emagana | What is that? Who added that topic to the agenda? (was it me?) | 19:41 |
| mrhillsman | i did | 19:41 |
| shamail | I didn't add it but I believe it refers to selecting our two participants in the forum planning committee | 19:42 |
| jproulx | is this what shamail & mrhillsman signed up for a couple topics ago? | 19:42 |
| mrhillsman | on that same thread, there was nother etherpad | 19:42 |
| emagana | mrhillsman: Thanks god! I thought I was going crazy.. which I am, but slowly! | 19:42 |
| mrhillsman | and is stated we should decide on who the 2 from the uc is going to be | 19:42 |
| mrhillsman | in today's meeting | 19:42 |
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| mrhillsman | again, probably got lost amongst all the messages :) | 19:43 |
| emagana | got it! So, then we are good. Already shamail and mrhillsman | 19:43 |
| shamail | 😊 | 19:43 |
| mrhillsman | agreed | 19:43 |
| emagana | anything else to be discussed on this topic? | 19:43 |
| mrhillsman | you are in for a surprise lol | 19:43 |
| emagana | #topic Working Group Update(s) | 19:44 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Working Group Update(s) (Meeting topic: uc)" | 19:44 | |
| mrhillsman | i added a couple other things to the agenda | 19:44 |
| shamail | Lol | 19:44 |
| emagana | we are not done yet mrhillsman | 19:44 |
| emagana | moving on.. any WGs chairs that want to provide any updates? or express any concerns? | 19:44 |
| mrhillsman | i think i added this one too | 19:44 |
| jamemcc | Yes | 19:44 |
| mrhillsman | maybe not | 19:44 |
| jamemcc | Been typing advance | 19:44 |
| emagana | jamemcc: Go ahead. | 19:44 |
| jamemcc | Though really need to have other WG chairs here | 19:44 |
| jamemcc | But hopefully good example | 19:45 |
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| jamemcc | THe LCOO is in the phase of trying to get a few User Stories running and at the same time trying to develop a structure for maintaining a roadmap around areas of interest. We have categories of roadmap but not found enough people for regular meetings: | 19:45 |
| emagana | jamemcc: YEs, I keep sending reminders to all WGs chairs via email. Not sure what else to do :-( | 19:45 |
| jamemcc | Containers, Networking, Test Automation / CICD, Operations/LMA, Resource Management, Security | 19:45 |
| jamemcc | Back to User Stories: We have 2 main User Stories that seem to fit well across most of the team. Extreme Testing and Containerized COntrol Plane. | 19:45 |
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| jamemcc | The Extreme Testing is what Sampath Priyanka of PWG started and is an apporved story already but seems to fit well for LCOO to help and Sampath has been active on LCOO as well. | 19:46 |
| jamemcc | The Containerized COntrol Plan has a very high level draft started by Jaesuk Ahn of SKTelecom. | 19:46 |
| jamemcc | Question #1: about Containerized Control Plan - is anyone else workign on the user Stories for Containerized COntrol Plane? | 19:46 |
| jamemcc | Also it seems a topic at Ops Mid-cycle. | 19:46 |
| jamemcc | Question #2: Are User Stories appropriate for Midcycle? If so maybe at least work with the facilitator of that session. | 19:47 |
| emagana | mrhillsman: any feedback on Question 2? | 19:48 |
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| leong | ls | 19:48 |
| jamemcc | -over- | 19:48 |
| jamemcc | lol | 19:48 |
| * leong ops.. multi-tasking on a wrong screen | 19:48 | |
| mrhillsman | they are jamemcc imo | 19:48 |
| emagana | on Question 1. You may want to talk to the kolla PTL. He/She may have been approached by someone in the UC community. | 19:48 |
| jamemcc | Ok good - I'll take action item to seek out and collaborate with the facilitator | 19:49 |
| leong | kolla ptl is from Intel, seating near to me :-) | 19:49 |
| jproulx | Question #1: OpenstackAnsible also containerizes (most of) the control plane | 19:49 |
| mrhillsman | and makes sense to work with the person(s) facilitating those sessions | 19:49 |
| leong | mrhillsman: btw, i volunteer myself to volunteer the container sesion at ops midcycle :-) | 19:50 |
| shamail | Jamemcc: it might make sense to propose in the forum topic. This will ensure broader attendance from the community beyond mainly operators. | 19:50 |
| emagana | +1 | 19:50 |
| mrhillsman | i think you are set to leong | 19:50 |
| shamail | propose *as a* forum topic | 19:50 |
| leong | +1 shamail.. this will be a good Forum topic | 19:50 |
| jamemcc | To levelset - right now I think it's appropriate to be project agnostic in the USer Story process - not tath we are hiding it form the projects - but not trying to drive to any one | 19:50 |
| emagana | I am also missing the Ops MidCycle! | 19:51 |
| emagana | :-( | 19:51 |
| mrhillsman | actually leong robert starmer is | 19:51 |
| jproulx | propose *as a* forum topic yes, but mid cycle could also be useful to better define what users want in a conainerized conroll plane before bring the dev side in | 19:51 |
| jamemcc | For sure Shamail - these are supposed to be Forum Topics if we can get them far enough | 19:51 |
| leong | emagana: that's sad to hear! | 19:51 |
| emagana | are we already jumping into the next topic? | 19:51 |
| shamail | jproulx: +1 | 19:51 |
| mrhillsman | ^ | 19:51 |
| jproulx | 9min left so probably should jump | 19:51 |
| emagana | The Ops MidCycle. I want to be sure that we did not skip other WGs | 19:51 |
| mrhillsman | +1 | 19:51 |
| leong | +1 jproulx.. that's one of the reason i volunteer to faciliate the container session at ops midcycle | 19:52 |
| emagana | any other WG chair? | 19:52 |
| emagana | #topic Ops Midcycle (March 15-16, 2017) - Goals/Expectations | 19:52 |
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| emagana | we have 8 minutes | 19:52 |
| mrhillsman | i added this | 19:52 |
| emagana | go for it | 19:52 |
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| shamail | leong, myself, and PWG are preparing for our midcycle. All are welcome. :) (no other major updates from PWG) | 19:52 |
| mrhillsman | primarily my concern is leaving from the midcycle with actionable items | 19:52 |
| shamail | mrhillsman: +1 | 19:52 |
| jproulx | +1 | 19:53 |
| leong | +1 mrhillsman | 19:53 |
| shamail | That has been a historical challenge | 19:53 |
| mrhillsman | so would like to see WGs PWG UC work with those facilitating the midcycle | 19:53 |
| mrhillsman | and ensure we take that focus | 19:53 |
| mrhillsman | i have created all the etherpads for the midcycle with an example on along those lines | 19:53 |
| shamail | Could we try to apply the PWG Forum proposal to midcycle as well? | 19:53 |
| mrhillsman | and reached out to all moderators | 19:53 |
| mrhillsman | but could definitely use some extra eyes to make sure i am not putting my foot in my mouth | 19:53 |
| leong | shamail: i am about to say that as well :-) | 19:53 |
| emagana | +2 | 19:54 |
| mrhillsman | i would love that | 19:54 |
| shamail | We can call it a beta test. 😂 | 19:54 |
| mrhillsman | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/MIL-ops-live-migration | 19:54 |
| mrhillsman | this is an example etherpad | 19:54 |
| jproulx | encouraging session mods to set actionable goals is +2 | 19:54 |
| emagana | indeed! | 19:54 |
| Rockyg | cool | 19:54 |
| mrhillsman | and will be reaching out to the mods this week who have all signed up | 19:55 |
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| mrhillsman | which we are at like 90-95% done with the schedule | 19:55 |
| mrhillsman | but if anyone here feels they have some actions they would like to get from any of the sessions | 19:55 |
| shamail | Mrhillsman: nice template! We should also encourage moderators to leave last five minutes for summarizing next steps | 19:55 |
| mrhillsman | please feel free to add to the etherpads | 19:55 |
| mrhillsman | yep, i mentioned this in the email with them but will re-emphasize that shamail | 19:55 |
| jproulx | +1 good example with actionable item liste dnear head | 19:56 |
| shamail | Thanks for all the planning work on this mrhillsman and being very proactive! | 19:56 |
| mrhillsman | i am going to work on filling some of them based on past etherpads | 19:56 |
| mrhillsman | i know it is a lot but i really want to see stuff get done | 19:56 |
| mrhillsman | companies pay a lot to send us | 19:56 |
| mrhillsman | no sense in just having an expensive conversation | 19:56 |
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| shamail | ++ | 19:57 |
| mrhillsman | thx for the soapbox hehe | 19:57 |
| mrhillsman | i am done | 19:57 |
| shamail | Who is attending from UC? | 19:57 |
| emagana | mrhillsman: Thanks a lot. I think we have a clear direction here. | 19:57 |
| shamail | I am | 19:57 |
| mrhillsman | i think this will also help to push influence up through the UC | 19:57 |
| emagana | Wish you the best with the Ops MiCycle! | 19:58 |
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| mrhillsman | :) | 19:58 |
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| emagana | I want to thank you all for attending. We do not have time for open agenda but I think we cover a lot. | 19:58 |
| jproulx | +1 | 19:59 |
| jamemcc | np - good meeting | 19:59 |
| leong | +1 | 19:59 |
| shamail | Great meeting! | 19:59 |
| mrhillsman | +1 | 19:59 |
| emagana | #endmeeting | 19:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Feb 27 19:59:35 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/uc/2017/uc.2017-02-27-19.01.html | 19:59 |
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| tonyb | #startmeeting stable | 21:18 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Feb 27 21:18:22 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tonyb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:18 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:18 |
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| tonyb | Well for the logs Things I/we promised to do | 21:24 |
| tonyb | 1) update releases.o.o with dates that projects switch to $next phase | 21:24 |
| tonyb | 2) create and maintain an openstack/stable-$something repo for tools and documents about stable | 21:25 |
| tonyb | 3) update the project-team-guide with more dteails about how stable teams are managed and how cores are added to $project-stable-core | 21:25 |
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| tonyb | 4) Find trusted stable reviewers to help with reviewing releases from stable/* branches in openstack/releases | 21:26 |
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| tonyb | 5) flesh out an alternate model for stable project teams that relies on a stable-CPL to help notice and grow $project stable teams ideally it would be someone other than the PTL | 21:27 |
| tonyb | I think that's it so basically this cycle is about tech-debt and documentation | 21:28 |
| tonyb | Oh and I need to wrap up the liberty and pre-liberty cleanups so I can get started on the mitaka EOL (early April) | 21:28 |
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| Rockyg | cool. grea list | 21:40 |
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| tonyb | Rockyg: thanks | 21:44 |
| tonyb | Rockyg: I think we shoudl all this :( | 21:44 |
| tonyb | #endmeeting | 21:44 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Feb 27 21:44:56 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:44 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/stable/2017/stable.2017-02-27-21.18.html | 21:44 |
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| mtreinish | tonyb: heh, I like that meeting :) | 21:50 |
| tonyb | mtreinish: it was one of my best | 21:50 |
| mtreinish | tonyb: fwiw, I can probably help with #4 if pinged about reviews | 21:52 |
| * mtreinish only says this because it's outside the meeting log | 21:53 | |
| tonyb | mtreinish: I could #undo ! | 21:53 |
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| tonyb | mtreinish: that'd be great. | 21:53 |
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| docaedo | Anyone here for app dev enablement WG meeting? | 22:00 |
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| Patifa | o/ | 22:00 |
| docaedo | at least we have enough chairs for the room ;) | 22:01 |
| Patifa | ;) | 22:01 |
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| docaedo | I propose we wait a few more minutes to see if anyone joins us, and if not, we scrub the meeting | 22:02 |
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| Patifa | agreed | 22:02 |
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| dfflanders | attending | 22:03 |
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| Patifa | hi dfflanders! | 22:03 |
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| dfflanders | halo Patifa and docaedo | 22:04 |
| dfflanders | how's that side of the planet today? | 22:04 |
| docaedo | hey! | 22:04 |
| docaedo | cold and rainy in our 'hood | 22:04 |
| docaedo | looks like we have enough for a meeting - want to kick it off Patifa ? | 22:04 |
| Patifa | it even snowed a bit in the morning | 22:04 |
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| Patifa | #startmeeting app_ecosystem_wg | 22:05 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Feb 27 22:05:04 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Patifa. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 22:05 |
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| Patifa | Done! | 22:05 |
| Patifa | and here's our agenda for today | 22:05 |
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| docaedo | todays agenda: | 22:05 |
| docaedo | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/2017_Feb_27_App_Dev_Enablement | 22:05 |
| docaedo | I propose we jump to 1.2 | 22:06 |
| Patifa | anyone else joining? | 22:06 |
| vhdiaz | o/ | 22:06 |
| Patifa | #topic pitch | 22:06 |
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| Patifa | So I started working on a document | 22:07 |
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| Patifa | #link https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1zP7CKoOrDMYMedtM1DfPjpKsFOzfkcH8JTEBPwn17VY/edit#slide=id.g1cdfd460bc_0_198 | 22:07 |
| Patifa | but it's pretty basic | 22:07 |
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| Patifa | I'm sure you guys can help beef it up a bit | 22:08 |
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| dfflanders | i like the new wording re: partner with platforms whose primary audience is app developers | 22:09 |
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| docaedo | +! | 22:10 |
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| docaedo | er, +1 I mean :D | 22:10 |
| Patifa | haha | 22:10 |
| flanders_ | Are you both going to be in Boston? | 22:11 |
| Patifa | I'm not sure yet | 22:12 |
| docaedo | flanders_: Yeah I have it on my calendar, but will have to talk about what happens after that, I'm not sure whether I'll be able to keep making enough time :( | 22:12 |
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| Patifa | that seems to be my case too. :( | 22:13 |
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| docaedo | (on the plus side I manage a team that is >50% active openstack contributors, and a bunch of my time is focused on making sure they get to keep doing that) | 22:13 |
| cbsterrett | sorry I am late | 22:13 |
| flanders_ | Hi Craig | 22:13 |
| cbsterrett | Hi flanders | 22:13 |
| docaedo | cbsterrett: we're not starting over just for you pal! | 22:14 |
| cbsterrett | LOL | 22:14 |
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| Patifa | The whole idea behind the pitch was that we could have a single conversation starter for PaaS vendors attending the summit. To see if we could have them join the WG | 22:14 |
| docaedo | Patifa: I think it's a really good start and makes a good case for why to get involved (and by extension why this WG exists) | 22:16 |
| flanders_ | +1 refocusing on PaaS/CaaS | 22:17 |
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| cbsterrett | +1 on the refocus | 22:17 |
| cbsterrett | maybe we can generate more interest in the group with the change in focus to containers + | 22:18 |
| Patifa | I'm stuck in some places like slide 3 - It looks pretty simple to me.. I was wondering if we should try to capture not only what we do( try to anyway) now but also what we would like to do | 22:19 |
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| Patifa | once we refocus | 22:19 |
| docaedo | except there's no native container service widely deployed on openstack (it's available, but not on any public clouds AFAIK) | 22:19 |
| flanders_ | Refocus on platforms which provide containers? Such as: OpenShift, CloudFoundry, Deis, Cloudify, ranchers, K8S, etc. | 22:21 |
| docaedo | well that's true, there's no relevant PaaS I'm aware of today that is NOT built around containers | 22:22 |
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| cbsterrett | Agree with Patfia, slide 3 should have more details on what we think we want to accomplish | 22:23 |
| cbsterrett | Our goal is to build an ecosystem... through what methods | 22:24 |
| cbsterrett | By creating reference architectures demonstrating PaaS options/environments, or ?? | 22:24 |
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| Patifa | That is a good point.. that is why I was strugling with Slide 3 and 5. What we do vs what we'd like to do.. and also what is the ask for the new members.. | 22:27 |
| Patifa | If we they are interested in participating, what is there for them to do. | 22:28 |
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| flanders_ | What have other WGs done which has been successful/effective? | 22:31 |
| docaedo | I think that's where I feel a little helpless | 22:31 |
| docaedo | like defining what we (or others) can do to actually "move the needle" (and what's that needle measuring?) | 22:31 |
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| docaedo | we have a super broad audience generally (any developer) so it's hard to tell if we're doing anything that benefits them | 22:31 |
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| docaedo | if we narrow the scope to operators (and trying to get them to deploy a PaaS for their users), it becomes REALLY hard to tell if we're reaching anyone at that point, as no ISP is going to share detailed metrics I think ... | 22:32 |
| docaedo | ok maybe not NO isp, but seems a little unlikely | 22:32 |
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| docaedo | to go back to where this WG originally started though, is our mission still to provide a place (and tools) for developers to develop? | 22:33 |
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| Patifa | have we accomplished that mission? | 22:35 |
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| cbsterrett | Should PaaS/CaaS be a new work group and we just sunset this one? | 22:36 |
| docaedo | Well I feel like we agreed that since openstack doesn't provide much for app devs (being an IaaS), we are looking to PaaS being the place to go | 22:36 |
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| docaedo | but yeah, cbsterrett has a good point - maybe it's time to just shut this down and try to gather folks interested in a PaaS-enabling WG? | 22:36 |
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| cbsterrett | Kicking off new might generate a new crowd and excitement. And I think that the number of developers developing directly on IaaS may be limited and the impact might be better promoting PaaS/CaaS | 22:38 |
| docaedo | Makes a lot of sense to me | 22:38 |
| vhdiaz | +1 | 22:38 |
| vhdiaz | PaaS + Containers | 22:39 |
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| flanders_ | It would be easier to recruit members from the various PaaS/CaaS to a cross community WG... | 22:39 |
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| Patifa | flanders_ elaborate... | 22:40 |
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| flanders_ | If we are taking on a new WG mission, it would be easier to approach CloudFoundry, OpenShift, PaaS/VaaS to suggest a joint WG...? | 22:41 |
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| vhdiaz_ | correct, more focused | 22:42 |
| cbsterrett | +1 sounds good | 22:42 |
| Patifa | +1 | 22:43 |
| Rockyg | +1 | 22:43 |
| Patifa | docaedo? what is your take? | 22:43 |
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| Patifa | hi Rockyg! | 22:43 |
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| docaedo | +1 | 22:44 |
| Rockyg | hey! been lurking | 22:44 |
| cbsterrett | Hi Rocky | 22:46 |
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| Patifa | It looks was though our next meeting agenda is set: Define new mission and plan how to approach CF, OpenShift etc.. | 22:46 |
| docaedo | I like it | 22:47 |
| Patifa | all right! :D | 22:47 |
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| flanders_ | We should also note the call for forum sessions in Boston on the UC ML | 22:49 |
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| Patifa | That was the next item on the list | 22:49 |
| Patifa | #topic forum brainstoming | 22:50 |
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| Patifa | 10 min | 22:50 |
| docaedo | I have to drop off early (as in right now, sorry :( ) I'll be available next week though to continue to conversation | 22:50 |
| cbsterrett | Well we done? | 22:50 |
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| Patifa | I'm particularly good to call the meeting and reflect on the new focus.. but if anyone wants to continue. | 22:52 |
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| Patifa | we have 7 min :D | 22:52 |
| cbsterrett | sounds good | 22:52 |
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| Patifa | going once... | 22:53 |
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| Patifa | going twice... | 22:54 |
| cbsterrett | bye | 22:54 |
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| flanders_ | L8er, see you next week for further platform musings 😃 | 22:54 |
| Patifa | :D | 22:54 |
| Patifa | thanks everyone! | 22:54 |
| Patifa | #endmeeting | 22:54 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Feb 27 22:54:59 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:55 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/app_ecosystem_wg/2017/app_ecosystem_wg.2017-02-27-22.05.html | 22:55 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/app_ecosystem_wg/2017/app_ecosystem_wg.2017-02-27-22.05.txt | 22:55 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/app_ecosystem_wg/2017/app_ecosystem_wg.2017-02-27-22.05.log.html | 22:55 |
| Rockyg | seeya! | 22:55 |
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