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| lennyb | #startmeeting third-party | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jan 30 15:00:34 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is lennyb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
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| lennyb | Hello | 15:00 |
| pots | hi | 15:00 |
| lennyb | hello pots, how are you? | 15:01 |
| pots | i'm having some trouble bringing up a CI | 15:01 |
| asselin__ | o/ | 15:01 |
| lennyb | hello asselin__, thanks for comming. | 15:02 |
| pots | are there known problems with Jenkins 2.x? i'm trying to use 2.32.1 | 15:02 |
| lennyb | pots, what problems? | 15:03 |
| pots | the job parameters are not being passed to the job | 15:03 |
| asselin__ | pots, yes there are....I believe we got some of those patches merged to cover that | 15:03 |
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| lennyb | pots, do you have https://wiki.jenkins-ci.org/display/JENKINS/EnvInject+Plugin installed? | 15:04 |
| pots | it looks like i don't, that sounds promising | 15:04 |
| lennyb | pots, there are a lot of plugins that are not installed by default :) | 15:05 |
| mptacekx | Hi, I have one topic/question related to devstack-gate. Not sure If I can address it here | 15:05 |
| lennyb | mptacekx, hello, wait a sec. | 15:05 |
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| lennyb | pots, anything else on this issue? | 15:06 |
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| asselin__ | pots, so you need to use a different version of jenkins, or add a parameter to let those through. I'm not familiar with the envInject Plugin option | 15:06 |
| pots | is that plugin not one of the ones that's available from the jenkins plugin manager? i don't see it listed there. | 15:06 |
| asselin__ | pots, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/367232/5/contrib/single_node_ci_data.yaml is one option | 15:07 |
| lennyb | pots, we are working with Jenkins 1.656. Please follow asselin__ advice to a newer jenkins | 15:07 |
| pots | ok, i'll try that, thanks. | 15:08 |
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| asselin__ | pots, otherwise this patch 'almost' works...just need to ensure you pass in the right args https://review.openstack.org/#/c/263021/ | 15:08 |
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| pots | thanks | 15:09 |
| lennyb | pots, asselin__, if there nothing more on this, we can move to mptacekx | 15:09 |
| asselin__ | see comments here https://review.openstack.org/#/c/263021/12/manifests/single_node_ci.pp | 15:09 |
| pots | i yield the floor | 15:09 |
| mptacekx | it's regarding multinode deployments in our CI. We have some usecases for which we need different local.conf on compute & controller | 15:10 |
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| lennyb | mptacekx, what is the question ? :) | 15:10 |
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| mptacekx | is anyone seeing a value for introducing them ? Actually I am looking for someone supporting my fix in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/407424/ | 15:11 |
| mptacekx | I think it must be relevant also for other CI's, e.g. if doing some controller specific changes like tempest adaptations ... | 15:12 |
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| lennyb | mptacekx, we use multinode CI with controller and compute on different nodes, we have multijob to run the tests | 15:13 |
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| mptacekx | we also have separated controller & compute, but test settings is propagated from JJB files | 15:14 |
| mptacekx | if there are other ways for doing that, there is probably no interest in patching in devstack-gate | 15:15 |
| lennyb | mptacekx, I still dont see what are you trying to solve there. we have a 2 different jobs for Controller and Compute using JJB and running tempest tests from Controller Node only. if you are interested I can share some code with you late | 15:16 |
| mmedvede | mptacekx: it might be possible to update compute local.conf with pre_test hook. I know it is possible to do so for localrc, which we do for our multinode job | 15:16 |
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| mptacekx | we're also using pre_test hook, it seems that you didn't have need to use different local.conf across nodes. Ok. Thanks. It's answering my question | 15:18 |
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| lennyb | thanks mptacekx. I have a question. What is a best/proper way to run neutron tests? | 15:19 |
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| lennyb | I can do it with /opt/neutron/run_tests.sh but how can I configure it? especially port_vnic_type=direct that I am doing in tempest.conf | 15:20 |
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| mptacekx | lennyb: tempest is not what you're looking for, right ? | 15:20 |
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| lennyb | mptacekx. I dont know yet. I was asked to run neutron tests on our hardware, but I want to make sure that it runs on our hw using SR-IOV ( port direct) | 15:21 |
| mptacekx | lennyb: if it's not coming from tempest, I think you should either add this option or adjust in test itself | 15:22 |
| lennyb | thanks mptacekx. I will check this option | 15:22 |
| mptacekx | I guess you're lucky and it's there http://docs.openstack.org/developer/tempest/sampleconf.html | 15:23 |
| mptacekx | lennyb: glad that can help :-) | 15:23 |
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| lennyb | mmedvede, asselin__ do you run tests other than tempest? | 15:25 |
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| asselin__ | there's pleny...mostly what's in tox | 15:26 |
| lennyb | asselin__ do they involve configuration? | 15:27 |
| asselin__ | lennyb, not really other than prep the repo to get the patch etc. then tox -e<env> | 15:28 |
| mmedvede | we mostly run tempest at the moment | 15:28 |
| lennyb | mmedvede, asselin__ I see. Thanks | 15:28 |
| lennyb | any other issues/questions/suggestions/sharing ? | 15:29 |
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| pots | one other question about puppet setup of the CI | 15:30 |
| pots | i noticed that i have to manual put the jenkins ssh credential id into /etc/nodepool/secure.conf after running 'puppet apply' | 15:30 |
| lennyb | pots, please ask | 15:30 |
| pots | does that ring any bells? | 15:30 |
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| asselin__ | pots, it does not...it should be done correctly... | 15:31 |
| lennyb | asselin__, there is still token that you need to put after jenkins installed an rerun puppet | 15:31 |
| pots | my guess is it's another issue with the later jenkins version? | 15:32 |
| asselin__ | perhaps I only ever used up to 1.651 | 15:32 |
| pots | puppet overwrites the token each time | 15:32 |
| lennyb | pots, I had to install jenkins manually due to some networking issues, so I hadnt seen this | 15:33 |
| asselin__ | pots, did you follow these instructions? http://docs.openstack.org/infra/openstackci/third_party_ci.html#securing-jenkins-optional | 15:33 |
| pots | is there a way to pin the jenkins version in the puppet scripts (sorry i should know this by now) | 15:33 |
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| asselin__ | pots yes: http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/puppet-openstackci/tree/contrib/single_node_ci_data.yaml#n11 | 15:34 |
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| asselin__ | pots you can use a specific version, present, or latest (not recommended) | 15:34 |
| pots | oops, i may have missed that, i probably thought it was just about securing access to the jenkins server | 15:35 |
| lennyb | thanks. | 15:35 |
| pots | thanks gentlemen | 15:35 |
| lennyb | pots...you can never be sure nowdays :) | 15:36 |
| pots | oops, sorry gentlepersons | 15:36 |
| lennyb | mmedvede, asselin__, pots, mptaceks thanks for the meeting. See you next week. I have a wedding to go to this evening :). I will close the meeting if there is nothing more for today | 15:36 |
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| asselin__ | thanks lennyb. Bye | 15:37 |
| pots | bye | 15:37 |
| mmedvede | pots: its ok, we are all hupersons :) | 15:37 |
| lennyb | #endmeeting | 15:37 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jan 30 15:37:50 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:37 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2017/third_party.2017-01-30-15.00.html | 15:37 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2017/third_party.2017-01-30-15.00.txt | 15:37 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2017/third_party.2017-01-30-15.00.log.html | 15:37 |
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| rakhmerov | #startmeeting Mistral | 16:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jan 30 16:03:47 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rakhmerov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:03 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'mistral' | 16:03 |
| rakhmerov | hi | 16:03 |
| d0ugal | Hey! | 16:03 |
| sharatss | Hi | 16:04 |
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| ddeja | o/ | 16:04 |
| rakhmerov | ok, hi everyone | 16:05 |
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| rakhmerov | 1 min | 16:05 |
| rakhmerov | #topic Review Action Items | 16:05 |
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| rakhmerov | no action items | 16:06 |
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| rakhmerov | #topic Current Status | 16:06 |
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| rakhmerov | my status: sorting out blueprints and bugs at Launchpad after ocata 3 release, profiling Mistral in order to optimize it in case of big data stored in workflow context | 16:07 |
| rakhmerov | sent one relatively simple patch | 16:07 |
| rakhmerov | which is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/426704/ | 16:07 |
| rakhmerov | if you have updates please go ahead | 16:08 |
| ddeja | My status: finished working on kombu driver multi thread and mulit rabbit support | 16:08 |
| rakhmerov | I'm also planning PTG and summit activities | 16:08 |
| rakhmerov | ddeja: is everything merged? | 16:08 |
| ddeja | and thanks to Renat and Dougal it was merged before the O-3 freeze :) | 16:08 |
| d0ugal | I don't really have anything to share this week :) | 16:08 |
| rakhmerov | that you wanted | 16:08 |
| ddeja | yup ;) | 16:08 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:08 |
| d0ugal | \o/ | 16:09 |
| sharatss | I have almost no status. Was on vacation last week. | 16:09 |
| rakhmerov | d0ugal, sharatss: ok | 16:09 |
| d0ugal | sharatss: oh, good reminder - I will be on vacation next week. So don't look for me :) | 16:09 |
| sharatss | Had to test congress actions, couldn't :( | 16:09 |
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| rakhmerov | d0ugal: can I announce your new role on the project? :) | 16:09 |
| d0ugal | rakhmerov: ha, sure | 16:09 |
| ddeja | this week I'd like to double check if it works as expected and fix any bugs I will found in it | 16:09 |
| rakhmerov | ddeja: yes, please | 16:09 |
| d0ugal | rakhmerov: but that did make it sound more exciting than it is :) | 16:09 |
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| rakhmerov | so, d0ugal will be the liaison for Mistral documentation in Pike | 16:10 |
| sharatss | d0ugal: i will miss you :)) | 16:10 |
| ddeja | congrats d0ugal :) | 16:10 |
| d0ugal | Thanks :) | 16:11 |
| rakhmerov | there's a plan in the community to start more active communication with the projects in order to improve docs in OpenStack | 16:11 |
| d0ugal | Hopefully I can do the role justice ;) | 16:11 |
| rakhmerov | so far I've been formally a liaison but I was a bad one | 16:11 |
| rakhmerov | :) | 16:11 |
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| rakhmerov | yes, so we'll be counting on you :) | 16:11 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:12 |
| sharatss | d0ugal: congrats :) | 16:12 |
| rakhmerov | I didn't have any special topics this week since I jumped into technical stuff and want to focus on it for now | 16:12 |
| rakhmerov | my main goal though before the PTG is to prepare a good plan to discuss our topics we collected in the etherpad | 16:13 |
| ddeja | I have one small topic: failing mysql/postgres gates | 16:13 |
| rakhmerov | by a good plan I mean a more detailed list of topic and approximate time that we need to discuss it and when it's going to be | 16:14 |
| rakhmerov | ddeja: yes, I was going to ask you about it actually | 16:14 |
| rakhmerov | go ahead | 16:14 |
| rakhmerov | share what you know | 16:14 |
| ddeja | so, I spend some time looking on it | 16:14 |
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| rakhmerov | yep | 16:14 |
| ddeja | i can reporduce it lokally using tox -e unit-mysql | 16:14 |
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| rakhmerov | ok | 16:14 |
| ddeja | and I have a patch that fix it in a dummy way | 16:14 |
| rakhmerov | ok, 1) what's the issue? 2) what's your fix that you call dummy? | 16:15 |
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| ddeja | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/426184/ | 16:15 |
| ddeja | so that's the patch | 16:15 |
| ddeja | and it deletes the importing of muranoclient | 16:16 |
| ddeja | that's why it is dummy | 16:16 |
| d0ugal | so muranoclient is causing an issue? | 16:16 |
| rakhmerov | but the gates are still failing on it | 16:16 |
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| ddeja | yes, since one or two tests requires the muronaclient | 16:16 |
| ddeja | but most of the tests passes | 16:16 |
| ddeja | on another patches, almost all tests not pass | 16:17 |
| ddeja | so, the problem is with muronoclient, but I have no idea what the problem may be | 16:17 |
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| ddeja | If i use the python from .tox/unit-mysql/bin/python | 16:17 |
| rakhmerov | hm... | 16:18 |
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| ddeja | and do importutils.load('python-muronoclient') | 16:18 |
| ddeja | it just works | 16:18 |
| tuan__ | ddeja: murano :) | 16:18 |
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| ddeja | tuan__: yes | 16:19 |
| ddeja | missclick ;) | 16:19 |
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| ddeja | but, what I can do for now | 16:19 |
| tuan__ | :D | 16:19 |
| ddeja | is to put PBR inside the tests and see what the heck is happening when we use tox | 16:19 |
| ddeja | I can try tommorow | 16:19 |
| rakhmerov | yes, ok | 16:20 |
| rakhmerov | interesting | 16:20 |
| ddeja | that's all on this topic | 16:20 |
| ddeja | the most interesting is what kong found | 16:20 |
| ddeja | that it started to fail after we change the version of.... novaclient | 16:20 |
| tuan__ | after discussing ddeja problem | 16:21 |
| tuan__ | i have another one | 16:21 |
| rakhmerov | ddeja: I'd suggest we write to openstack-dev | 16:21 |
| tuan__ | i think it should be discussed | 16:21 |
| ddeja | rakhmerov: OK, I can send an email | 16:21 |
| rakhmerov | seems like it makes sense to ask Murano team, they may know about it and be able to help | 16:21 |
| ddeja | sure | 16:21 |
| d0ugal | +1 | 16:22 |
| rakhmerov | #action ddeja: send an email to openstack-dev about the issue with the murano client | 16:22 |
| d0ugal | Over time, I think it would be great if we could somehow isolate actions. | 16:22 |
| rakhmerov | tuan__: what's your topic? | 16:22 |
| rakhmerov | d0ugal: StackStorm did this | 16:23 |
| tuan__ | yeap, it is the topic of cacert | 16:23 |
| rakhmerov | with using separate virtual envs | 16:23 |
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| rakhmerov | which also allows to use different dependencies | 16:23 |
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| d0ugal | rakhmerov: ah, interesting. I was wondering how well that would work. containers would be another interesting approach :) | 16:23 |
| tuan__ | can i explain my topic | 16:23 |
| d0ugal | tuan__: please do | 16:23 |
| tuan__ | d0ugal: interetsing with docker | 16:23 |
| tuan__ | :D | 16:23 |
| tuan__ | ok | 16:24 |
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| tuan__ | so, the problem like this | 16:24 |
| rakhmerov | tuan__: sure, please do, it's just our regular way of having these meetings: we just keep telling our stuff no matter what others are doing :) | 16:24 |
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| tuan__ | when we create pythonclient of other projects | 16:24 |
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| tuan__ | in mistral i do not see the cacert that should be fetched | 16:24 |
| tuan__ | for instance | 16:24 |
| tuan__ | if inside workflow, i would like my novaclient talk to nova server by using cacert | 16:25 |
| tuan__ | and i do not see the cacert is fetched into novaclient in mistral | 16:25 |
| tuan__ | inside mistral/actions/openstack/actions.py | 16:26 |
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| rakhmerov | tuan__: ok, so the issue is that even though we can pass cacert from the client as --os-cacert parameter it doesn't get passed through to other OpenStack clients? | 16:27 |
| rakhmerov | does that sound accurate? | 16:27 |
| rakhmerov | because when I'm looking at the client code I see that we can pass it | 16:28 |
| tuan__ | we just pass it to mistralclient | 16:28 |
| tuan__ | how does mistralclient passes it to novaclient | 16:29 |
| rakhmerov | no, I don't know yet | 16:29 |
| rakhmerov | I'm just trying to clarify my understanding | 16:29 |
| tuan__ | of course we ccan do that by passing context of mistralclient | 16:29 |
| tuan__ | but i do not see it in the code | 16:29 |
| rakhmerov | no, this is a bad way | 16:29 |
| rakhmerov | ok, I understand | 16:29 |
| rakhmerov | tuan__: please file a bug (look for an existing one) and change its priority to High | 16:30 |
| tuan__ | ok | 16:30 |
| tuan__ | we will talk to our team and file a bug ASAP | 16:30 |
| tuan__ | actually we did an implementation for this fix | 16:31 |
| tuan__ | :D | 16:31 |
| rakhmerov | awesome | 16:31 |
| tuan__ | and now fixing unittest and testing it | 16:31 |
| rakhmerov | is it already on review? | 16:31 |
| tuan__ | not yet | 16:31 |
| rakhmerov | ok, cool | 16:31 |
| tuan__ | we are fixging unittest | 16:31 |
| rakhmerov | but please have a bug report anyway | 16:31 |
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| tuan__ | for sure | 16:31 |
| rakhmerov | thanks | 16:31 |
| rakhmerov | anything else folks? | 16:31 |
| ddeja | I'm done | 16:32 |
| rakhmerov | if no I'd like to keep this meeting short | 16:32 |
| tuan__ | ddeja: what about the kombu | 16:32 |
| tuan__ | ? | 16:32 |
| rakhmerov | d0ugal? | 16:32 |
| ddeja | tuan__: It's not that easy | 16:32 |
| d0ugal | I have one question, but it can wait until tomorrow :) so nothing from me. | 16:33 |
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| ddeja | but I'll file an patch as soon as I get it done | 16:33 |
| rakhmerov | tuan__, ddeja: what are you discussing about kombu? | 16:33 |
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| ddeja | we can re-use failover mechanisms from kombu library | 16:33 |
| ddeja | instead of what I did - writing our own ;) | 16:33 |
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| ddeja | so I need to do a little refactor | 16:34 |
| ddeja | so we can use those | 16:34 |
| rakhmerov | hm.. not sure I'm following you | 16:34 |
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| rakhmerov | can you briefly tell what exactly you're going to refactor/replace? | 16:34 |
| tuan__ | yeap, but i think you can take a look to the oslo messaging that for you i think it is an easy stuff | 16:34 |
| ddeja | right now in kombu driver you can pass a number of rabbitMQ servers | 16:34 |
| tuan__ | as you did before | 16:34 |
| rakhmerov | ddeja: ack | 16:34 |
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| ddeja | and connect to one of them, in case of failure, connect to another etc. | 16:35 |
| rakhmerov | yes | 16:35 |
| rakhmerov | the patch we recently merged | 16:35 |
| ddeja | and I've implemented the logic of catching the exception and reconnecting | 16:35 |
| rakhmerov | with "HA" it its title | 16:35 |
| rakhmerov | yes | 16:35 |
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| ddeja | but, such mechanism is implemented in kombu library | 16:35 |
| rakhmerov | I see | 16:35 |
| rakhmerov | yeah, it's good if you can reuse it | 16:35 |
| ddeja | so with a little refactor, we can delete some code from mistral and rely on kombu | 16:35 |
| rakhmerov | yep, good | 16:36 |
| tuan__ | ddeja: btw, your patch is still good | 16:36 |
| tuan__ | :D | 16:36 |
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| ddeja | tuan__: that is why I'm saing it's not easy, I need to refactor the kombu_server | 16:36 |
| ddeja | for kombu client it's a one-line change | 16:36 |
| tuan__ | okay, i understand | 16:36 |
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| rakhmerov | tuan__: are you using Kombu based RPC in CBAM? | 16:36 |
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| rakhmerov | or oslo.messaging based? Default one | 16:37 |
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| ddeja | rakhmerov: oh, and tuan__ is a person who pointed me that there is a failover mechanism in kombu ;) | 16:37 |
| rakhmerov | I'm just not aware | 16:37 |
| rakhmerov | I see, thanks tuan__ :) | 16:37 |
| rakhmerov | ok, ending the meeting? | 16:38 |
| tuan__ | rakhmerov: we use rabbitmq | 16:38 |
| tuan__ | :D | 16:38 |
| rakhmerov | tuan__: ok, I asked a little different thing, let's talk tomorrow | 16:38 |
| tuan__ | yeap | 16:38 |
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| rakhmerov | Istvan can probably help us answer this | 16:39 |
| rakhmerov | ok, thanks everyone for joining | 16:39 |
| rakhmerov | have a good week | 16:39 |
| rakhmerov | #endmeeting | 16:39 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jan 30 16:39:31 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:39 |
| ddeja | thanks | 16:39 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2017/mistral.2017-01-30-16.03.html | 16:39 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2017/mistral.2017-01-30-16.03.txt | 16:39 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2017/mistral.2017-01-30-16.03.log.html | 16:39 |
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| jamemcc | Hi - I'm here for (and to run) the user_committee | 18:58 |
| jproulx | Hi jamemcc | 18:58 |
| jamemcc | Hi Jon | 18:58 |
| jamemcc | Don't want to step in front of you | 18:58 |
| jamemcc | I just told Edgar I could if he needed | 18:59 |
| jproulx | No by all means :) | 18:59 |
| jamemcc | ok | 18:59 |
| jproulx | I've been a bit out of the loop due to internal doing-less-with-less chaos so just trying to catch up a bit | 18:59 |
| jamemcc | Understood | 18:59 |
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| jamemcc | #startmeeting user_committee | 19:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jan 30 19:00:04 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jamemcc. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'user_committee' | 19:00 |
| mrhillsman | o/ | 19:00 |
| jamemcc | Hi | 19:00 |
| leong | o/ | 19:00 |
| mrhillsman | just noticed edgar will not be here | 19:00 |
| MeganR | o/ | 19:00 |
| docaedo | o/ | 19:00 |
| jamemcc | I told him I'd be glad to run it if no-one else would/could | 19:00 |
| mrhillsman | totally missed that in the email | 19:00 |
| mrhillsman | thx for stepping up jamemcc | 19:01 |
| jamemcc | My first - so lets all help Jamey | 19:01 |
| jamemcc | #topic UC Election | 19:01 |
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| jamemcc | I can see this progress for preparations but have no special knowledge | 19:01 |
| jamemcc | #link https://governance.openstack.org/uc/reference/uc-election- | 19:02 |
| jamemcc | feb2017.html | 19:02 |
| jamemcc | whoops | 19:02 |
| jamemcc | #link https://governance.openstack.org/uc/reference/uc-election-feb2017.html | 19:02 |
| kencjohnston | o/ | 19:02 |
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| docaedo | yow, feb 3 is end of this week, how time flies! | 19:03 |
| jamemcc | Do we need to follow-up with Matt Jarvis and Matt Van Winkle - I sent an e-mail to them but just before start of this meeting | 19:04 |
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| mrhillsman | was there anything in particular around the election we needed to discuss? | 19:04 |
| jproulx | January 30 - February 10, 05:59 UTC: Open candidacy for UC positions -- suggests nomination period should be starting today | 19:04 |
| jproulx | Tom Fiefield is pulling current AUC listing last I heard & generating voting links for ellection official to send | 19:05 |
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| jamemcc | Good to know Jon | 19:06 |
| jproulx | There's also onging work to write up a SuperUser post explaining what a good candidate looks like (I belive Shilla is on that) | 19:06 |
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| docaedo | that should be a good read, looking forward to seeing it | 19:06 |
| jproulx | That's what I know | 19:06 |
| jamemcc | Yeah - I think the action will be to clarify those dates - possible bump out a few days if the infrastructure is not ready. Tom Fifefield check along that path. Then SHilla to get date for publishing and finally then to notify all via User Committee DL. | 19:07 |
| mrhillsman | is there an expected date for this to go out since nominations need to be submitted by this friday 05:59 utc | 19:07 |
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| leong | mrhillsman: nominations is till 2/10 which is next friday | 19:08 |
| jproulx | I'd have expected today, but have been a bit out of the loop due to internal issues at MIT | 19:08 |
| mrhillsman | leong do we need to update that section at the bottom of the election page then? | 19:09 |
| jamemcc | I was wondering if it had to be by a certain date - based on Charter or OS By-laws - but I re-read and dont' see any fixed date need. | 19:09 |
| docaedo | currently page reads " email to the user-committee@lists.openstack.org mailing-list, with the subject: “UC candidacy” by February 3, 05:59 UTC" | 19:09 |
| mrhillsman | ^ | 19:09 |
| leong | the link here said 2/10: https://governance.openstack.org/uc/reference/uc-election-feb2017.html | 19:09 |
| mrhillsman | i do not think it is clear then but i could be wrong | 19:10 |
| jproulx | docaedo: which page is that? | 19:10 |
| mrhillsman | dame page | 19:10 |
| mrhillsman | same | 19:10 |
| docaedo | leong: yeah the page has that section for candidates at the bottom, the one you linked to | 19:10 |
| mrhillsman | at the bottom under candidates | 19:10 |
| jproulx | never mind I see now | 19:11 |
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| leong | mrhillsman: saw what you mean... | 19:11 |
| jamemcc | SO we really need to clear that up as well - probably by today if we can | 19:11 |
| leong | so the date should be 2/10 instead? | 19:12 |
| jamemcc | Seems the Feb 10 date for Candidacy makes sense | 19:12 |
| jproulx | I belive 10th is correct | 19:12 |
| mrhillsman | +1 | 19:13 |
| jproulx | I'd booked solid after this can someone else submit that change | 19:13 |
| jamemcc | The part that says The electorate is requested to confirm their email address in gerrit, review.openstack.org > Settings > Contact Information > Preferred Email, prior to February 4, 2017 05:59 | 19:13 |
| jproulx | I cna review it slightly after hours if noone else with +2 gets to it first | 19:13 |
| jamemcc | Probably shoudl get moved out as well giving a few days after the Superuser and User Committee communictions | 19:14 |
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| jamemcc | OK - so agreed someon to followup on all the little details to clarify the sptes, dates and update the page with dates? | 19:15 |
| jamemcc | Any volunteer? | 19:16 |
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| mrhillsman | i have no +2 but can follow up | 19:16 |
| jamemcc | ok, thanks | 19:17 |
| jproulx | I can +2 after it's followed up, but have 4hr delay after this be for Ican get back to it. | 19:17 |
| jamemcc | #action mrhillsman to clear up steps, dates and Election Communication page | 19:17 |
| jproulx | thanks mrhillsman | 19:17 |
| jamemcc | I'm glad to help as well if I can | 19:18 |
| mrhillsman | welcome! | 19:18 |
| jamemcc | Anything else on that topic? | 19:18 |
| jamemcc | #topic PTG activities from UC members | 19:19 |
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| jamemcc | This one doesn't mean too much to me in regards to the UC. | 19:19 |
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| jproulx | I'm not attending PTG so nothing from me | 19:20 |
| mrhillsman | I am not slated to attend the PTG and would probably not be able to squeeze it in now if it was needed from UC perspective | 19:20 |
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| jproulx | anyone here who put that on the agenda? presumably someone had a thought about it, but not I. | 19:21 |
| jamemcc | As a working group chair we are sending our project team members to approproate project team sessions but are not attending as the Working Group | 19:21 |
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| leong | what is the PTG activities about from UC perspective? | 19:22 |
| jamemcc | #link https://www.openstack.org/ptg/ | 19:22 |
| mrhillsman | i do not think it has changed but ptg is about working on code | 19:22 |
| jamemcc | If youy look at the above - on Monday andTuesday there are some teams that are similar to working groups | 19:23 |
| jamemcc | But I think they are gathering under Technical Committee guifance not UC | 19:23 |
| leong | those are under TC | 19:24 |
| jproulx | Yes as I understand it PTG is about execution, Summit (or whatever) is about planning and direction which is more where UC & PTG stuff meets | 19:24 |
| jproulx | I mean UC & TC stuff meets | 19:24 |
| docaedo | yep, that's my understanding too - ptg is all about code and forum (boston) is going to be for PTLs for projects to work with UC/WG folks on planning and direction | 19:24 |
| jamemcc | Ok, so seems clear no special UC activies planned for the Atlanta PTG. Agreed? | 19:25 |
| jproulx | AFAIK that's true | 19:25 |
| mrhillsman | agreed | 19:25 |
| jamemcc | #info no special UC activies planned for the Atlanta PTG. | 19:25 |
| AndyU | Whats happening in these? Release Goals Release Mgmt / Stable maint / Requirements | 19:25 |
| jamemcc | SHould we talk about Midcycle in the same way before we go on to the Boston SUmmit? | 19:26 |
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| jamemcc | I'm not sure we have the expertise here to answer that Andy | 19:27 |
| jamemcc | Would you take an action item to investigate and get back to all via DL? | 19:27 |
| jproulx | Next OPs meetup is in Milan, team planning it meet tomorrow (1400 UTC I think) current event plan working draft https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1EUSYMs3GfglnD8yfFaAXWhLe0F5y9hCUKqCYe0Vp1oA/edit#gid=2006054635 | 19:27 |
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| mrhillsman | 1500 UTC | 19:28 |
| jproulx | yup 1500 in thx | 19:28 |
| mrhillsman | tomorrow in #openstack-operators | 19:28 |
| mrhillsman | welcome | 19:28 |
| jamemcc | Any UC meeting planned or desired there? | 19:29 |
| mrhillsman | i know the pwg is co-locating Monday and Tuesday they have, ops Wednesday and Thursday | 19:29 |
| mrhillsman | unless pwg changed course | 19:29 |
| AndyU | still the pwg plan | 19:30 |
| leong | that's the plan for PWG | 19:30 |
| jamemcc | I could see some kind of summary or cross group ending sponsored by the UC unless (and it probably is) being planned by the Ops meetup team. | 19:30 |
| mrhillsman | and sessions are still open so i do not see why a uc meeting cannot happen as well | 19:30 |
| leong | unless we have issues with location... | 19:30 |
| AndyU | and possibly EWG on Friday | 19:31 |
| leong | AndyU.. more likely there will be no EWG on Friday, defer to after Boston summit | 19:31 |
| AndyU | ok. thx | 19:31 |
| jamemcc | Any other proposals/justification for UC to have a session there? | 19:31 |
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| jamemcc | I guess it could and would be the first 5 person UC committee gathering | 19:32 |
| mrhillsman | it can be done if wanted | 19:33 |
| jamemcc | Perhaps boot camp for new UC Committee members (that was a little out there) and planing for next year goals? | 19:33 |
| mrhillsman | i do not think any of the folks on the ops side steering the midcycle would object | 19:33 |
| mrhillsman | but can be discussed tomorrow for confirmation | 19:33 |
| mrhillsman | i can action that and follow up via DL | 19:33 |
| jamemcc | Again thanks | 19:34 |
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| jamemcc | #action mrhillsman Investigate possibility of UC meetup time at Ops-Meetup in Milan | 19:34 |
| jamemcc | #topic Boston planning | 19:35 |
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| mrhillsman | welcome again hehe | 19:35 |
| jproulx | Definitely a UC session there | 19:35 |
| jamemcc | Has anyone requested UC sessions at Boston - referencing the weekends guidelines for Workign Groups to request meeting space? | 19:35 |
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| jproulx | The UC has been I'm not sure about the status of individual WGs | 19:37 |
| jamemcc | Good | 19:38 |
| jamemcc | SO the action items - per DL is for all WG chairs to request sessions before Feb 6 submission deadline | 19:38 |
| leong | PWG has submitted Working Session and BoF for WG | 19:38 |
| jamemcc | FYI - LCOO has requested | 19:39 |
| AndyU | suggest session(s) to raise awareness of AUC.s and this process: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ProductTeam/User_Stories | 19:39 |
| leong | EWG will do the similar as well | 19:39 |
| leong | AndyU, i'm planning to do that :-) | 19:39 |
| AndyU | :) | 19:40 |
| jamemcc | #action WG chairs submit for WG session in Boston at https://www.openstack.org/summit/boston-2017/call-for-presentations/ before Feb 6 | 19:40 |
| jamemcc | What else should UC be doing to plan for Boston? | 19:40 |
| leong | jamemcc, i believe that should be an action for UC to notifiy WG chairs to submit | 19:41 |
| jamemcc | Good correction - thanks | 19:41 |
| jproulx | I can take that | 19:41 |
| jamemcc | #action jprolux Notify WG Chairs to submit for WG session in Boston at https://www.openstack.org/summit/boston-2017/call-for-presentations/ before Feb 6 | 19:41 |
| leong | CarolBarret has requested an agenda item to be added today (a proposal from PWG to help UC to facilitate Boston Forum) | 19:42 |
| leong | should we discuss here or in Open? | 19:42 |
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| jamemcc | Seems good here | 19:43 |
| leong | looking at the time.. maybe i would suggest postpone to next meeting | 19:43 |
| leong | meanwhile, i have drafted a slides for the discussion | 19:44 |
| jamemcc | Perhaps related - I could see having a UC session for the WG Chairs to generally educate and maybe more importantly coordinate across the WGs | 19:44 |
| jamemcc | Sounds good and still plenty timely | 19:44 |
| leong | #link PWG Proposal for Boston Forum: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1jTlO4UdNjc5cOKboeCNhLDEdttazWWlDgNxxulUrPNg | 19:44 |
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| jamemcc | #action leong Present proposal from PWG to help UC to facilitate Boston Forum in next UC meeting - 2 weeks | 19:45 |
| leong | Shamail, CarolBarrett, Kencjohnston and GeraldK discuss in PWG, we came out with a proposal and would like to discuss with UC | 19:45 |
| leong | +1 jamemcc | 19:45 |
| jamemcc | I guess nothing wrong to send out ahead of the next meeting in UC DL as well Leong | 19:46 |
| leong | thanks jamemcc :) | 19:46 |
| jamemcc | THanks - looking forward to it | 19:46 |
| jproulx | yes good to have materials before hand (first glance looks good) | 19:46 |
| jamemcc | ANy other Boston ideas - needs? | 19:46 |
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| AndyU | Leong: Nice +1 | 19:47 |
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| jamemcc | ok, final topic | 19:48 |
| jamemcc | #topic Open Agenda | 19:48 |
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| jamemcc | I think we should do a little work to reconcile and update the 2 wiki pages I find in UC. | 19:48 |
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| jamemcc | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/Foundation/UserCommittee | 19:49 |
| jamemcc | #link https://governance.openstack.org/uc/ | 19:49 |
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| jamemcc | I can and in fact did update the first one lightly just before this meeting | 19:50 |
| leong | +1 jamemcc, those pages needs to be updated | 19:50 |
| MeganR | jamemcc: it would be great to have those updated | 19:51 |
| jamemcc | Jon, If I'm understanding - the Governance one is done through Gerrit? | 19:51 |
| jproulx | yes, governance is meant to take precedence since it in git and thus requires some level of approval, but def need to bring teams and working groups up to date | 19:51 |
| leong | the wiki page can be updated by just "logging in" | 19:52 |
| mrhillsman | ^ | 19:52 |
| jamemcc | Ok so how about this plan - I'll update the first one and send out note on UC DL for others - especially other chairs to update | 19:52 |
| jamemcc | Then we can use it's content to finalize the 2nd one in GIT | 19:52 |
| leong | however, i tried to update "emai" but it was rejected due to "email spam control" | 19:52 |
| mrhillsman | but i think you still need some extra permissions no? | 19:52 |
| jamemcc | Because at least it's list of Workign Groups is more up to date (or at least longer) | 19:53 |
| jproulx | No extra perms for wiki AFAIK, govenance needs to be UC approved through Gerrit making it "official" | 19:53 |
| jproulx | jamemcc: +1 | 19:53 |
| leong | +1 jproulx, anyone with a valid ID can login and update the wiki | 19:53 |
| docaedo | hah last time I tried to update a wiki page (two weeks ago I think?) I was also denied, was just changing some meeting dates but their spam filter said NO! | 19:54 |
| jamemcc | #action jamemcc Update https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/Foundation/UserCommittee and send out on UC DL for other Chairs to also update. | 19:54 |
| jamemcc | Other topics? | 19:54 |
| leong | docaedo, i did successfully updated the wiki, but got denied when i tried to update "email" and was blocked by spam filter | 19:55 |
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| jproulx | move to adjourn? | 19:56 |
| jamemcc | Second that | 19:56 |
| mrhillsman | +1 | 19:56 |
| jamemcc | #endmeeting | 19:56 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 19:56 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jan 30 19:56:44 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:56 |
| jamemcc | Thanks all | 19:56 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/user_committee/2017/user_committee.2017-01-30-19.00.html | 19:56 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/user_committee/2017/user_committee.2017-01-30-19.00.txt | 19:56 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/user_committee/2017/user_committee.2017-01-30-19.00.log.html | 19:56 |
| jproulx | thanks! | 19:56 |
| mrhillsman | thx jamemcc for chairing and all for attending | 19:56 |
| leong | +1 | 19:57 |
| MeganR | +1 | 19:57 |
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| tonyb | #startmeeting stable | 21:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jan 30 21:02:28 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tonyb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: stable)" | 21:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'stable' | 21:02 |
| * mtreinish noticed today | 21:03 | |
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| sigmavirus | o/ | 21:05 |
| tonyb | mtreinish: \o/ | 21:06 |
| tonyb | sigmavirus: hey there | 21:06 |
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| tonyb | sigmavirus: sorry to split focus on the glance issue and the meeting | 21:06 |
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| sigmavirus | tonyb: no worries | 21:06 |
| sigmavirus | That has been going on for days (I was distracted with release cpl duties) | 21:06 |
| sigmavirus | So it can probably wait a bit longer =P | 21:06 |
| tonyb | sigmavirus: Perhaps but it might be a fun way for me to remeber what it is that I do .... | 21:07 |
| sigmavirus | hah | 21:07 |
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| tonyb | I haven | 21:08 |
| tonyb | 't written up an agenda for today but I guess it's Status, PTG/Pike planning (if any), Pike glance bug | 21:09 |
| sigmavirus | Mitaka glance bug? | 21:09 |
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| tonyb | sigmavirus: Yeah bad inline editing | 21:10 |
| sigmavirus | tonyb: no worries. Just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing something | 21:10 |
| tonyb | :) | 21:10 |
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| mtreinish | sigmavirus: heh, tonyb is getting ready to discuss next month's bugs already :) | 21:11 |
| tonyb | So status. liberty needs the nest round of EOLing done, then clean up all the old branches | 21:11 |
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| sigmavirus | Wise and the gift of foresight. What more could we want? | 21:11 |
| tonyb | asside from the mitaka glance bug (and pribably a ceilomioter one) is the gate mostly okay? | 21:11 |
| sigmavirus | seems to be | 21:13 |
| tonyb | \o/ | 21:13 |
| mtreinish | http://status.openstack.org/openstack-health/#/?groupKey=build_branch&searchProject=stable* | 21:13 |
| mtreinish | I do like the stable hammer branch, although I have no idea what it is | 21:14 |
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| sigmavirus | mtreinish: someone saw a nail? | 21:14 |
| sigmavirus | looks like the puppet project | 21:14 |
| mtreinish | yeah | 21:15 |
| tonyb | I think it's a puppet release name | 21:15 |
| tonyb | mtreinish: I have questions on that view ... | 21:15 |
| mtreinish | tonyb: sure | 21:16 |
| tonyb | mtreinish: Are the failure rates really percentages? it goes from 0 -> 1 so I want to read 0.1 as 10% but that doesn't match with the text | 21:16 |
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| tonyb | 0.1% is meh 10% is more interesting .... | 21:17 |
| mtreinish | yeah it's 10% not .1% | 21:17 |
| mtreinish | that's definitely a bug | 21:17 |
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| mtreinish | it's missing a * 100 somewhere in the js | 21:18 |
| * sigmavirus would troll about it displaying fine in his browser, but won't | 21:19 | |
| tonyb | mtreinish: okay I'll fix that | 21:19 |
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| tonyb | sigmavirus: it displays fine for me or are you sayign that the 'Job Failure Rate' goes from 0 to 100 in the y- axis for you? | 21:20 |
| sigmavirus | tonyb: ignore me | 21:20 |
| sigmavirus | I've had too much caffeine today :) | 21:20 |
| tonyb | sigmavirus: I have the inverse problem ;P | 21:20 |
| tonyb | mtreinish: there used to be a way to remove the passing tests from the total jobs graph, did that go away or am I just not seeing it? | 21:21 |
| mtreinish | tonyb: it went away when we stopped using nvd3 (for memory and performance reasons) | 21:22 |
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| tonyb | mtreinish: Ah okay | 21:22 |
| mtreinish | I can bug timothyb89 about adding it back. Because I barely understanding all the code he wrote to render the graphs :) | 21:23 |
| tonyb | mtreinish: I can poke him in -qa | 21:23 |
| tonyb | mtreinish: Thanks for the link | 21:23 |
| timothyb89 | mtreinish, tonyb: I will look into adding it back | 21:24 |
| mtreinish | timothyb89: cool, thanks | 21:24 |
| tonyb | timothyb89: \o/ | 21:24 |
| * tonyb really likes the "lurk in all the meeting rooms" thing :) | 21:24 | |
| tonyb | so .... | 21:24 |
| tonyb | #topic PTG/Pike planning | 21:24 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "PTG/Pike planning (Meeting topic: stable)" | 21:24 | |
| tonyb | we have a shared space with release/requirements in ATL | 21:25 |
| tonyb | do we want to schedule a working bee or any key discussion topics?> | 21:25 |
| * sigmavirus won't be at the PTG | 21:25 | |
| tonyb | sigmavirus: :( | 21:25 |
| mtreinish | tonyb: are we going to have the obligatory make support windows longer discussion? :p | 21:25 |
| tonyb | mtreinish: I was hoping to avoid it | 21:26 |
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| sigmavirus | I'll send someone to instigate it, just for you mtreinish | 21:26 |
| tonyb | sigmavirus: prometheanfire is a reasonable proxy (assumeing he'll be theer) | 21:26 |
| mtreinish | sigmavirus: LOL | 21:27 |
| sigmavirus | tonyb: Matt doesn't listen to me | 21:27 |
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| tonyb | sigmavirus: He will if you're aking hime to make trouble ... he likes that sort of thing ;P | 21:27 |
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| sigmavirus | tonyb: not if it's me asking him to cause trouble | 21:28 |
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| tonyb | sigmavirus: Well if you think of anything you'd like discuessed and if you can attend remotely we can do that thing | 21:28 |
| tonyb | sigmavirus: ;P | 21:28 |
| sigmavirus | If remote attendance works this year, I'll try to attend remotely, but I have nothing in particular | 21:28 |
| tonyb | sigmavirus: okay. | 21:28 |
| sigmavirus | I'd love if I could find another glance stable core who has time to review things but I seem to be the only person | 21:28 |
| sigmavirus | And really taht's fine because so few people are backporting anything anywa | 21:28 |
| tonyb | sigmavirus: I wonder if it's worth trying to nail down the "do we need meetings" thing | 21:28 |
| sigmavirus | tonyb: I like meetings | 21:29 |
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| sigmavirus | even if they're only short | 21:29 |
| sigmavirus | The security team has capped meetings to 30 min | 21:29 |
| tonyb | sigmavirus: okay. | 21:29 |
| sigmavirus | And I'm happy to run meetings if that's desirable | 21:29 |
| tonyb | sigmavirus: I wonder if we shoudl do the same | 21:29 |
| sigmavirus | I run very tight meetings | 21:29 |
| tonyb | I overlap moer with the US so it's easier to have a quick chate with y'all but Eurpoe is harder and it's been good to speak to ttx and apevec from time-to-time | 21:30 |
| * tonyb makes a note to look at the security meeting logs | 21:30 | |
| * tonyb waffles a bit (read lot) | 21:30 | |
| tonyb | #topic mitaka glance bug | 21:31 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "mitaka glance bug (Meeting topic: stable)" | 21:31 | |
| sigmavirus | tonyb: at least, if you ever need a sub, I can help =P | 21:31 |
| tonyb | sigmavirus: :) | 21:31 |
| sigmavirus | So yeah, the glance bug I'm pretty sure is related to setuptools 34.* | 21:32 |
| tonyb | sigmavirus: You had 3 possible solutions to the bug new enough pip, chnage the requirements ordering ... what was thr 3rd? | 21:32 |
| * tonyb really would like to be able to cap setuptools but alas :( | 21:32 | |
| sigmavirus | I don't think the third is at all preferable but changing upper constraints for setuptools | 21:32 |
| sigmavirus | That said, I'm not sure where best to add the macro to get pip's version | 21:33 |
| tonyb | sigmavirus: Ahh we don't (shoudln't) have setuptools in u-c | 21:33 |
| sigmavirus | And someone on my team is seeing similar issues with knew-enough pip | 21:33 |
| sigmavirus | So, I'm not sure option 1 is that much of an option | 21:33 |
| tonyb | sigmavirus: okay so how does option 2 help? | 21:33 |
| sigmavirus | tonyb: so, pip *should* be ordering what is installed and in what order to avoid problems where a library needs a dependency that doesn't exist | 21:34 |
| sigmavirus | If we give pip an explicit ordering, it might help | 21:34 |
| sigmavirus | I'm not certain it *will* but I think it's worth trying | 21:34 |
| mtreinish | sigmavirus: would opt 3, changing u-c work? because it depends on pip (which includes setuptools) | 21:34 |
| mtreinish | oh, I'm slow tonyb realized that already | 21:34 |
| sigmavirus | mtreinish: so pip doesn't force setuptools to a specific version | 21:35 |
| sigmavirus | it's happy to use something that's remotely new enough | 21:35 |
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| mtreinish | sigmavirus: well it uses whatever is installed when it creates the venv right? | 21:35 |
| * mtreinish is still fighting jetlag | 21:35 | |
| sigmavirus | mtreinish: uh, not quite | 21:35 |
| sigmavirus | heh | 21:35 |
| sigmavirus | virtualenv has code to download/install latest pip/setuptools by default iirc | 21:36 |
| tonyb | sigmavirus: option would be a bit house of cardsish wouldn't it .... I mean if we say $lib1 $lib2 and thr deps for $lib1 chnage then the ordering we check will break wont it? | 21:36 |
| sigmavirus | That might not be true for system-packaged versions of virtualenv though | 21:36 |
| sigmavirus | tonyb: yeah exactly, | 21:36 |
| sigmavirus | tonyb: that said, six has no dependencies, so I figure moving it to the top would be safe enough | 21:36 |
| tonyb | sigmavirus: I though venv always used the vendored tools ans tox woudl update them but I'm hazy there | 21:36 |
| sigmavirus | tonyb: nah, tox uses what ever virtualenv installs | 21:37 |
| tonyb | sigmavirus: okay so much confusion in how all this works for most people including me | 21:37 |
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| tonyb | sigmavirus: I think that moving six it a reasonable band-aid for now. I assume it's only hitting mitakak 'cause of somethign else we've cappu in u-c? | 21:38 |
| mtreinish | tonyb: oh, is it just an ordering probably in requirements? that's an acceptable fix for the lack of a dep solver | 21:39 |
| * mtreinish hasn't seen the actual bug | 21:39 | |
| tonyb | https://bugs.launchpad.net/glance/+bug/1660444 | 21:39 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1660444 in Glance mitaka "Glance stable/mitaka docs cannot be built" [High,Triaged] | 21:39 |
| sigmavirus | I don't lightly blame third party devs who do the work in their free time, but I feel like this was borderline irresponsible of setuptools and this has caused serious problems for other (non-OpenStack) people/projects | 21:40 |
| tonyb | sigmavirus: Yeah it seems like a strange move and not well tested/communicated but we can't really help that now | 21:41 |
| sigmavirus | Actually, setuptools isn't even in our requirements list | 21:41 |
| sigmavirus | *our = Glance | 21:42 |
| sigmavirus | So moving this around won't really do very much because pip is relying on setuptools and pkg_resources at run time and then six is being pulled out before pkg_resources can import it? (Maybe?) | 21:42 |
| sigmavirus | Idk | 21:42 |
| sigmavirus | I need to dig deeper into this | 21:42 |
| mtreinish | sigmavirus: it wouldn't be, normally it's set via pbr (or something else) | 21:42 |
| tonyb | sigmavirus: that's pretty common for OpenStack | 21:42 |
| sigmavirus | Yeah, so reordering probably wouldn't even work | 21:43 |
| sigmavirus | \o\ | 21:43 |
| sigmavirus | /o/ | 21:43 |
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| tonyb | sigmavirus: okay we | 21:44 |
| tonyb | ll play with it. how much longer are you online for? | 21:44 |
| sigmavirus | tonyb: technically I should be getting offline | 21:44 |
| sigmavirus | or rather, should already be offline | 21:44 |
| tonyb | sigmavirus: okay. | 21:45 |
| sigmavirus | I might reach out to Donald Stufft for some help | 21:45 |
| tonyb | sigmavirus: I need to take the kids to school and I wont ask you to stay around longer | 21:45 |
| sigmavirus | No worries | 21:45 |
| sigmavirus | I'll probably be online on my non-work IRC in an hour or two | 21:45 |
| sigmavirus | Have to release some non-OpenStack software to the PyPIs | 21:45 |
| tonyb | sigmavirus: okay I'll ping you in -stable replay if you online and want to chat I wont be offedned if you ignore me ;P | 21:46 |
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| sigmavirus | heh, I don't use this nick after I finish work. But I'll hop in with my other one | 21:46 |
| tonyb | sigmavirus: Yeah that'd be the one I highlighted ;P | 21:47 |
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| sigmavirus | anyway, anything else for today? | 21:47 |
| tonyb | I was about the # endmeeting .... | 21:47 |
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| tonyb | Thanks all! | 21:48 |
| tonyb | #endmeeting | 21:48 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jan 30 21:48:41 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:48 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/stable/2017/stable.2017-01-30-21.02.html | 21:48 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/stable/2017/stable.2017-01-30-21.02.txt | 21:48 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/stable/2017/stable.2017-01-30-21.02.log.html | 21:48 |
| asingh_ | tonyb while installing stable/liberty using devstack, i upgraded pip version to 9.0.1, after running ./stack.sh, it downgraded pip version to 7.0.1 and shows error that pip version 9 is needed . is there something i am missing? | 21:49 |
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| tonyb | asingh_: Happy to discuss that in #openstack-dev in ~45mins | 21:50 |
| asingh_ | ok tonyb, thank you | 21:50 |
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| tonyb | asingh_: I'm back care to join #openstack-stable so we can discuss you issue? | 22:44 |
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