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| gothicmindfood | yeah, we're looking at April 10 for leadership training | 00:13 |
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| sridhar_ram | #startmeeting tacker | 05:30 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jan 18 05:30:37 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sridhar_ram. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 05:30 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 05:30 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: tacker)" | 05:30 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tacker' | 05:30 |
| sridhar_ram | #topic Roll Call | 05:30 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Roll Call (Meeting topic: tacker)" | 05:30 | |
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| sridhar_ram | who is here for tacker? | 05:30 |
| YanXingan | o/ | 05:30 |
| janki | o/ | 05:30 |
| diga | o/ | 05:30 |
| KanagarajM | hi | 05:30 |
| tbh | o/ | 05:31 |
| gongysh | hi | 05:31 |
| sridhar_ram | howdy all !! | 05:31 |
| sridhar_ram | let's start.. | 05:31 |
| sridhar_ram | #chair gongysh tbh KanagarajM | 05:31 |
| openstack | Current chairs: KanagarajM gongysh sridhar_ram tbh | 05:31 |
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| sridhar_ram | #topic Announcements | 05:32 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: tacker)" | 05:32 | |
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| xuhaiwei | hi | 05:32 |
| sridhar_ram | #info Ocata-3 / client freeze is next week .. https://releases.openstack.org/ocata/schedule.html | 05:32 |
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| sridhar_ram | All client changes should merge by end of this week to make it to Ocata release | 05:33 |
| sridhar_ram | please flag early if your client patchset is expected to release with Ocata | 05:33 |
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| sridhar_ram | next ... | 05:34 |
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| sridhar_ram | #info PTL self nomination is next week.. | 05:34 |
| sripriya | sridhar_ram: hello | 05:34 |
| sridhar_ram | sripriya: xuhaiwei: hi | 05:34 |
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| s3wong | hello | 05:35 |
| sridhar_ram | after being as your PTL for the last three cycles, I'm not planning to nominate myself.. time to pass the baton to another Tacker team member | 05:35 |
| s3wong | sridhar_ram: oh... | 05:36 |
| gongysh | sridhar_ram, thanks for the leading.. | 05:36 |
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| sridhar_ram | #info sridhar_ram announces his non-candidacy for Pike | 05:36 |
| sridhar_ram | gongysh: thanks | 05:36 |
| s3wong | sridhar_ram: you have done well --- and Tacker really thrived under your leadership. Thanks! | 05:36 |
| dkushwaha_ | o/ | 05:36 |
| sridhar_ram | s3wong: thanks! we came a long way.. there are tons more interesting things to do | 05:37 |
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| sridhar_ram | I'll continue to be a core-team member.. perhaps will end up actually contributing something to the code base ;-) | 05:37 |
| KanagarajM | sridhar_ram, to be frank, you are an awesome leader and brought up tacker well ! | 05:38 |
| gongysh | sridhar_ram, haha... | 05:38 |
| KanagarajM | sridhar_ram, :) | 05:38 |
| sridhar_ram | KanagarajM: thanks, means a lot | 05:38 |
| tbh | sridhar_ram, great leadership till now | 05:38 |
| gongysh | sridhar_ram, I have to review hard then. | 05:38 |
| sridhar_ram | gongysh: damn .. | 05:38 |
| sripriya | sridhar_ram: thanks for your great leadership and leading the team so effortlessly | 05:38 |
| * sridhar_ram running away now | 05:38 | |
| janki | sridhar_ram, thanks for leading...enjoyed working under your leadership :) | 05:38 |
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| sridhar_ram | sripriya: janki: thanks | 05:39 |
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| dkushwaha_ | sridhar_ram: great leadership | 05:39 |
| sridhar_ram | will send an email to the ML as well, thought i shd let the folks here know first | 05:39 |
| sridhar_ram | dkushwaha_: thanks | 05:39 |
| sridhar_ram | moving on .. i mean to the next topic ;-) | 05:40 |
| sridhar_ram | #topic Ocata Status | 05:40 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Ocata Status (Meeting topic: tacker)" | 05:40 | |
| sridhar_ram | let's quickly go around outstanding Ocata work... | 05:40 |
| sridhar_ram | We are officially go into the release "window" starting next week.. | 05:40 |
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| sridhar_ram | please flag any must have bugfixes that need to make it to Ocata | 05:41 |
| sridhar_ram | i'll continue to triage the LP bugs | 05:41 |
| sridhar_ram | #topic NSD | 05:41 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "NSD (Meeting topic: tacker)" | 05:41 | |
| sridhar_ram | tbh: dkushwaha_: Part 1 merged (thanks gongysh for review / merge) | 05:41 |
| sridhar_ram | tbh: dkushwaha_: can you give a status of any outstanding items ? | 05:42 |
| dkushwaha_ | sridhar_ram: i am just pushing code part2 with fixing your comments and some UT parts. | 05:42 |
| gongysh | dkushwaha_, and some functional tests. | 05:42 |
| sridhar_ram | dkushwaha_: okay | 05:42 |
| tbh | sridhar_ram, and we have changes in horizon too | 05:43 |
| sridhar_ram | dkushwaha_: what about this one https://review.openstack.org/#/c/334370/ ? can this be abandoned ? | 05:43 |
| tbh | sridhar_ram, gongysh yes we pushed FTs but need mistral integration in gate jobs | 05:43 |
| sridhar_ram | tbh: good point.. that needs some manual testing | 05:43 |
| gongysh | tbh, sure | 05:43 |
| dkushwaha_ | sridhar_ram: gongysh I also pushed some FT in part2 . I have to work some more on UT. | 05:43 |
| tbh | sridhar_ram, gongysh https://review.openstack.org/#/c/421203/ | 05:43 |
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| sridhar_ram | tbh: cool, that should fix the gate error for NSD | 05:44 |
| sridhar_ram | tbh: dkushwaha_: we also need api-ref | 05:45 |
| dkushwaha_ | sridhar_ram: we should add https://review.openstack.org/#/c/33470 will be abandon | 05:45 |
| sridhar_ram | dkushwaha_: okay | 05:46 |
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| sridhar_ram | pls use the work items listed in https://blueprints.launchpad.net/tacker/+spec/nsd-support as your checklist | 05:46 |
| tbh | sridhar_ram, will add api-ref for nsd | 05:46 |
| sridhar_ram | tbh: thanks! | 05:46 |
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| sridhar_ram | we should splash this feature big in Boston .. starting thinking about writing some speaking session to use this feature !! | 05:47 |
| sridhar_ram | s/starting/start/ | 05:47 |
| tbh | sridhar_ram, yes https://review.openstack.org/#/c/334370/ can be abandoned, will abandon this | 05:47 |
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| sridhar_ram | tbh: sounds good | 05:47 |
| sridhar_ram | anything else on NSD? | 05:47 |
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| sridhar_ram | next topic.. | 05:48 |
| sridhar_ram | #topic VNF inline template support | 05:48 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "VNF inline template support (Meeting topic: tacker)" | 05:48 | |
| tbh | sridhar_ram, deadline for tacker-horizon release | 05:48 |
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| sridhar_ram | tbh: Feb 9th | 05:49 |
| tbh | sridhar_ram, okay | 05:49 |
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| sridhar_ram | tacker-horizon goes along with tacker server .. Feb 9th is the deadline for both | 05:49 |
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| sridhar_ram | just 3.5 weeks left | 05:50 |
| janki | sridhar_ram, there was discussion around the filter name on tacker channel. its fixed now. I will make changes by EOD today and submit | 05:50 |
| sridhar_ram | janki: sounds good.. | 05:50 |
| sridhar_ram | janki: the bigger issue is the -ve cases when vnf-creation fails | 05:51 |
| janki | on the server side, I will look into the error cases | 05:51 |
| sridhar_ram | janki: okay.. please add some +ve and -ve func testcases as well | 05:51 |
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| gongysh | sridhar_ram, +ve -ve, what are they? | 05:52 |
| sridhar_ram | janki: however, once you make the client changes discussed with gongysh we should get that merged | 05:52 |
| janki | sridhar_ram, -ve as in? | 05:52 |
| sridhar_ram | gongysh: positive and negative test cases | 05:52 |
| janki | to check whether an exception is raised or not? | 05:52 |
| sridhar_ram | janki: yes, when an invalid vnfd templates is passed as inline template for vnf-creation .. the API should fail appropriately (instead of the internal server error) | 05:53 |
| sridhar_ram | janki: you also need to check a case where VNFD inline template is valid but the VM creation eventually fails.. | 05:54 |
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| sridhar_ram | janki: you can use an invalid keypair name to simulate such an error | 05:54 |
| KanagarajM | janki, it would be 400 , BAD REQUEST and provide additional error details in response | 05:55 |
| janki | sridhar_ram, got it | 05:55 |
| janki | sridhar_ram, about the vnfd-show you asked about last time, it will show for inline templtaes too. i have checked | 05:55 |
| sridhar_ram | in the 2nd error scenario i described the VNF will go from PENDING_CREATE --> ERROR state | 05:56 |
| sridhar_ram | janki: ack, i tried that in my testbed as well | 05:56 |
| janki | sridhar_ram, cool. will add these scenarios too | 05:57 |
| sridhar_ram | when a vnf-delete issued on a VNF in ERROR state, vnfd inline template should be clean up properly | 05:57 |
| sridhar_ram | that is the 2nd negative testcase | 05:57 |
| sridhar_ram | anything else on this topic ? | 05:58 |
| sridhar_ram | next... | 05:58 |
| sridhar_ram | #topic Selective VDU scaling | 05:58 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Selective VDU scaling (Meeting topic: tacker)" | 05:58 | |
| sridhar_ram | KanagarajM: tung_doan: spzala pushed this fix .. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/421056/ | 05:59 |
| sridhar_ram | KanagarajM: do you think this solves the problem that blocks selective VDU scaling ? | 05:59 |
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| KanagarajM | sridhar_ram, IMO, no, as my assumption is , it might fix the translation of alarm policy to Heat scaling policy | 06:00 |
| sridhar_ram | KanagarajM: I see... | 06:00 |
| gongysh | KanagarajM, do we have bug report for selective scaling? | 06:00 |
| KanagarajM | sridhar_ram, and actual issue with HT is, failing to tx when 1> policies exist in TOSCA | 06:00 |
| KanagarajM | sridhar_ram, the same bug filed earlier on HT would be ok for this as well | 06:01 |
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| KanagarajM | https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat-translator/+bug/1652928 | 06:01 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1652928 in Heat Translator "Fails to translate the derived polices" [High,New] - Assigned to Sahdev Zala (spzala) | 06:01 |
| KanagarajM | sridhar_ram, sahdev alreay using this bug for the same. | 06:02 |
| sridhar_ram | KanagarajM: is sahdev waiting for the sample HOT template from you ? | 06:03 |
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| KanagarajM | sridhar_ram, already given the sample | 06:03 |
| sridhar_ram | KanagarajM: okay.. | 06:04 |
| sridhar_ram | given sahdev is going to be offline.. i'm not sure if this will be fixed for Ocata :( | 06:04 |
| sridhar_ram | *offline next week | 06:04 |
| sridhar_ram | bobh: tbh: do you have any visibility into this HT fix ? | 06:05 |
| KanagarajM | sridhar_ram, I too think the same :( | 06:05 |
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| sridhar_ram | KanagarajM: assuming HT fix goes in, is there any change required in tacker to make use of it ? | 06:06 |
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| KanagarajM | sridhar_ram, if bobh and tbh have spare some time, it would help considering the situation. | 06:06 |
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| KanagarajM | sridhar_ram, yes, after HT provides the feature, we should update the openstack driver to accomedate HT new feature and strip out the corresponding code from tacker | 06:06 |
| sridhar_ram | tbh has NSD in his plate | 06:06 |
| tbh | sridhar_ram, KanagarajM haven't discussed with sahdev on this yet | 06:07 |
| sridhar_ram | KanagarajM: okay, that good to know.. we have time till Feb 9th to make that happen | 06:07 |
| sridhar_ram | next.. moving to a related topic | 06:08 |
| KanagarajM | sridhar_ram, ok | 06:08 |
| sridhar_ram | #topic Tacker-Senlin integration | 06:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Tacker-Senlin integration (Meeting topic: tacker)" | 06:08 | |
| sridhar_ram | the spec is close to merge, IMO | 06:08 |
| xuhaiwei | hi sridhar_ram, I have updated the spec due to the comments from cores | 06:08 |
| sridhar_ram | xuhaiwei: KanagarajM: looks the only outstanding item is the support for this selective VDU scaling using Senlin | 06:09 |
| xuhaiwei | I think it should have made things clear | 06:09 |
| KanagarajM | sridhar_ram, yes and it was claimed that senlin does not support at this moment. I think | 06:09 |
| xuhaiwei | sridhar_ram, yes, for this feature, I have confirmed with senlin team, it is under implementation | 06:09 |
| sridhar_ram | xuhaiwei: yes, that clarifies | 06:09 |
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| sridhar_ram | KanagarajM: are you okay to proceed given this clarification ? | 06:10 |
| KanagarajM | sridhar_ram, considering that we could go ahead with spec and add corresponding depency of senlin bp | 06:10 |
| xuhaiwei | KanagarajM, it is on the way, will be there in the near future | 06:10 |
| sridhar_ram | KanagarajM: sounds good.. | 06:10 |
| KanagarajM | sridhar_ram, :) yes | 06:11 |
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| xuhaiwei | sridhar_ram, KanagarajM, that sounds good to me | 06:11 |
| sridhar_ram | xuhaiwei: now, how far is the implementation progressed ? | 06:11 |
| sridhar_ram | xuhaiwei: we just have few meeting to finish the reviews, assuming the implementation is far along | 06:11 |
| xuhaiwei | sridhar_ram, you mean selective vdu scaling? | 06:12 |
| sridhar_ram | xuhaiwei: no, not for selective vdu scaling.. the overal tacker-senlin autoscaling | 06:12 |
| sridhar_ram | *overall | 06:12 |
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| xuhaiwei | sridhar_ram: I am afraid it is difficult to finish it in ocata cycle | 06:13 |
| sridhar_ram | earlier i meant 'we just have few weeks to finish the reviews' | 06:13 |
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| sridhar_ram | xuhaiwei: I see. No worries. | 06:13 |
| sridhar_ram | xuhaiwei: do continue to work on the implementation.. this could be a nice early feature to land in Pike | 06:14 |
| xuhaiwei | sridhar_ram: feature freeze will be the next weekend, wont it? | 06:14 |
| gongysh | sridhar_ram, we can go without selective scaling for the first draft. | 06:14 |
| xuhaiwei | sridhar_ram: I will try my best to do it | 06:14 |
| sridhar_ram | xuhaiwei: tacker server's deadline is Feb 9th | 06:14 |
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| sridhar_ram | next week deadline is for tackerclient.. | 06:14 |
| sridhar_ram | i don't think this senlin integration as any client side changes | 06:15 |
| xuhaiwei | sridhar_ram: I see | 06:15 |
| sridhar_ram | correct? | 06:15 |
| sridhar_ram | xuhaiwei: you've about 3 weeks | 06:15 |
| sridhar_ram | gongysh: agree | 06:15 |
| KanagarajM | sridhar_ram, yes, it deoes not have any api change | 06:15 |
| xuhaiwei | sridhar_ram: should be no changes in tackerclient | 06:15 |
| sridhar_ram | KanagarajM: xuhaiwei: sounds good | 06:15 |
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| * Qiming wondering whether PTG is a good thing that leads to such a short cycle for all projects | 06:16 | |
| sridhar_ram | let's shot this as a best effort for Ocata.. | 06:16 |
| sridhar_ram | *shoot | 06:16 |
| xuhaiwei | sridhar_ram: ok | 06:16 |
| sridhar_ram | Qiming Ocata is a one off short cycle.. it shd get better Pike and onwards | 06:17 |
| Qiming | it is buying us a longer cycle for Pike? Good! | 06:17 |
| sridhar_ram | Qiming: yep, it gradually springs back to 6months cycle... with PTG coinciding with a mid-cycle | 06:18 |
| sridhar_ram | anything else on senlin integration ? | 06:18 |
| xuhaiwei | nope from me | 06:18 |
| sridhar_ram | next .. | 06:19 |
| gongysh | xuhaiwei, get a draft implemenation and have a demo | 06:19 |
| sridhar_ram | #topic Ocata Bugs | 06:19 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Ocata Bugs (Meeting topic: tacker)" | 06:19 | |
| Qiming | just one note, senlin plans to extend its nova server profile | 06:19 |
| gongysh | xuhaiwei, this will help. | 06:19 |
| xuhaiwei | gongysh: thanks | 06:19 |
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| Qiming | so that a so called "nova server" can have ports, security groups, volumes auto-created and managed if needed | 06:19 |
| sridhar_ram | folks - i know we spend a lot of time on new features.. but over next few weeks I'd like to request all of you to focus on bug fixes for Ocata. | 06:19 |
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| sridhar_ram | please wrap the bugs marked for Ocata 3 - https://launchpad.net/tacker/+milestone/ocata-3 | 06:21 |
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| sridhar_ram | please help to mark critical / useful bugs with ocata-3 milestone target so that it gets enough attention | 06:21 |
| sridhar_ram | thanks for you support | 06:21 |
| sridhar_ram | #topic Open Discussion | 06:22 |
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| sridhar_ram | any thing else ? | 06:22 |
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| sridhar_ram | YanXingan: thanks for your participation so far.. please continue to pick bigger items like RFEs and BPs | 06:23 |
| YanXingan | ok | 06:23 |
| YanXingan | i will speed more time | 06:23 |
| sridhar_ram | YanXingan: great | 06:23 |
| janki | sridhar_ram, about the contanired bp, I will update it by end of this week. I have a draft template. will add it soon | 06:24 |
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| sridhar_ram | janki: sure, there are some interesting comments in that spec.. | 06:24 |
| sridhar_ram | Folks - please also review diga's API framework spec .. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/368511/ | 06:25 |
| diga | sridhar_ram: WE want to merge the API spec as soon as possible, need to start dev work, Just reminding you again | 06:25 |
| diga | Yes | 06:25 |
| diga | :) | 06:25 |
| janki | sridhar_ram, yes. I got a guy from kuryr to review it. I will have also chat woth madhuri to review it after I update | 06:25 |
| janki | *with | 06:25 |
| sridhar_ram | janki: sounds good | 06:25 |
| janki | :) | 06:26 |
| sridhar_ram | diga: i still have some questions on the http-server you are proposing. | 06:26 |
| diga | sridhar_ram: okay | 06:26 |
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| sridhar_ram | diga: instead of gunicorn you propose the keep the current wsgi.py in tacker as the http server ? | 06:26 |
| diga | sridhar_ram: Yes | 06:27 |
| sridhar_ram | gongysh: is the expert here on wsgi :) | 06:27 |
| diga | gongysh: how are we using wsgi for tacker web ? | 06:27 |
| sridhar_ram | diga: what is zaqar using for http-server ? | 06:27 |
| diga | sridhar_ram: yes | 06:27 |
| diga | sridhar_ram: wsgi | 06:28 |
| gongysh | sridhar_ram, diga, we need to be installed behind nginx or apach. | 06:28 |
| diga | sridhar_ram: that's where I m coming to, we should use to nginx for tacker web | 06:28 |
| diga | gongysh: yep | 06:29 |
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| sridhar_ram | diga: let's take it up in gerrit | 06:29 |
| sridhar_ram | times up | 06:29 |
| diga | sridhar_ram: okay | 06:29 |
| sridhar_ram | bye everyone! | 06:29 |
| janki | bye | 06:30 |
| sridhar_ram | #endmeeting | 06:30 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 06:30 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jan 18 06:30:05 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 06:30 |
| KanagarajM | bye | 06:30 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2017/tacker.2017-01-18-05.30.html | 06:30 |
| s3wong | bye | 06:30 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2017/tacker.2017-01-18-05.30.txt | 06:30 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2017/tacker.2017-01-18-05.30.log.html | 06:30 |
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| oneswig | #startmeeting scientific_wg | 09:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jan 18 09:00:17 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is oneswig. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 09:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 09:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: scientific_wg)" | 09:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'scientific_wg' | 09:00 |
| oneswig | #link Agenda items for today https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Scientific_working_group#IRC_Meeting_January_18th_2017 | 09:00 |
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| priteau | Hi | 09:01 |
| oneswig | Blair sends apologies - data centre upgrade in full flow | 09:01 |
| oneswig | Hi priteau, how's things? | 09:01 |
| aloga | howdy | 09:01 |
| priteau | oneswig: Going all right | 09:01 |
| oneswig | Hi aloga | 09:01 |
| oneswig | We were talking about Chameleon in Cambridge last week and would like to hear more about how it is done. I'll follow up offline | 09:02 |
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| StefanPaetowJisc | Morning all! | 09:02 |
| oneswig | Hi StefanPaetowJisc | 09:03 |
| priteau | oneswig: sounds great | 09:03 |
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| oneswig | The items for today were on two broad topics - firstly, what's coming in terms of events and secondly, what can we do w.r.t federation for the Boston summit | 09:04 |
| oneswig | Before all that though - if you're interested in being a track chair for the HPC/Research speaker track, the deadline for nomination is today | 09:05 |
| oneswig | #link track chair nomination https://openstackfoundation.formstack.com/forms/openstack_summit_boston2017_track_chair_nominations | 09:05 |
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| zioproto | hello | 09:05 |
| zioproto | started already ? | 09:06 |
| oneswig | I've helped out for the last two cycles but I'm sure other people have better opinions on what makes a good talk :-) | 09:06 |
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| oneswig | Hi zioproto | 09:06 |
| oneswig | welcome! | 09:06 |
| oneswig | Just getting going | 09:06 |
| StefanPaetowJisc | Ciao zioproto | 09:06 |
| zioproto | hello all | 09:06 |
| oneswig | covered the track chair nominations, that's all | 09:06 |
| zioproto | sorry I have a very messy agenda today, I have to jump to another meeting at 11:15, is a nightmare ! :( | 09:06 |
| zioproto | I came by because somebody was looking for me for datasets :) ! | 09:07 |
| oneswig | No problem, a good WG member is a busy one | 09:07 |
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| oneswig | Flanders - hoping he'll join too but he's in Melbourne | 09:07 |
| zioproto | I will stay as much as I can and I will read the minutes after :D | 09:07 |
| oneswig | Great | 09:07 |
| oneswig | OK, lets roll | 09:08 |
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| oneswig | #topic upcoming events | 09:08 |
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| oneswig | zioproto: while you're here, how's the operators midcycle looking for Milan? | 09:08 |
| zioproto | dates are confirmed | 09:08 |
| zioproto | 15 and 16 march | 09:08 |
| oneswig | Do you know if it has sold out? Agenda looks great | 09:08 |
| zioproto | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/MIL-ops-meetup | 09:08 |
| zioproto | I think tickers are not out yet | 09:09 |
| zioproto | also Mariano from enter.it was looking for sponsors | 09:09 |
| zioproto | there will be a mail on the ops mailing list when tickets will be out | 09:09 |
| zioproto | usually that is on eventbrite | 09:09 |
| oneswig | I don't see an eventbrite link in place yet, will keep watching the list | 09:09 |
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| oneswig | Anyone else thinking of going? | 09:10 |
| zioproto | there is another important event | 09:10 |
| oneswig | I'm interested | 09:10 |
| zioproto | the CS3 conference in amsterdam organized by Surfsara | 09:10 |
| zioproto | let me find the link | 09:10 |
| oneswig | What is the scope of it? | 09:11 |
| zioproto | https://cs3.surfsara.nl/ | 09:11 |
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| zioproto | so the conference is about sync and share | 09:11 |
| zioproto | but there will be a OSO | 09:11 |
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| zioproto | session | 09:11 |
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| zioproto | OSO is Openstack Operators | 09:11 |
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| simon-AS559 | o/ sorry for being late | 09:11 |
| StefanPaetowJisc | Oops :-/ | 09:12 |
| oneswig | Hi simon-AS559 | 09:12 |
| zioproto | simon-AS559: I was explaining about CS3 conference in Amsterdam | 09:13 |
| zioproto | why it is related to openstack operators | 09:13 |
| oneswig | Just looking for the programme but my wireless is dropping... | 09:13 |
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| zioproto | switch will present: Experience with running Owncloud on virtualized infrastructure (Openstack/Ceph) (continuation of talk at C3 2016) | 09:13 |
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| zioproto | and there is a talk from SURFsara: Manila, Sahara and Cloud integration in Openstack using NetApp NFS datastores | 09:14 |
| zioproto | anyway a broadtopic there is Object Storage | 09:14 |
| zioproto | so if you are interested in datasets | 09:14 |
| StefanPaetowJisc | *nod* | 09:14 |
| zioproto | you will find it interesting | 09:14 |
| oneswig | OK Thanks zioproto | 09:15 |
| oneswig | Anyone going to the project teams gathering (PTG)? | 09:15 |
| oneswig | #link https://www.openstack.org/ptg/ | 09:15 |
| zioproto | oneswig: not me | 09:15 |
| oneswig | Feb 20-24 | 09:15 |
| zioproto | I have to run ! ciao ! | 09:15 |
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| oneswig | later zigo | 09:15 |
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| oneswig | later zioproto! | 09:16 |
| priteau | I cannot go either | 09:16 |
| simon-AS559 | Me neither | 09:16 |
| priteau | A few Blazar contributors will be there | 09:16 |
| oneswig | I'm not going but one of our team will be there to work on Ironic and Kolla | 09:16 |
| oneswig | priteau: is there a session on Blazar? | 09:16 |
| oneswig | or for other things? | 09:17 |
| StefanPaetowJisc | That clashes with one of my federation things, so no. | 09:17 |
| oneswig | OK anyone for FOSDEM? | 09:17 |
| aloga | no | 09:17 |
| oneswig | #link https://fosdem.org/2017/ | 09:17 |
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| priteau | oneswig: Not any official one. Masahito is seeing if others are interested in a short ad-hoc meeting | 09:18 |
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| StefanPaetowJisc | FOSDEM looks interesting | 09:18 |
| oneswig | Apparently there'll be a low-key presence at FOSDEM for OpenStack | 09:18 |
| oneswig | One of our team is presenting at PGdays the break-out on Postgres - talking Monasca on Postgres | 09:19 |
| oneswig | #link https://www.postgresql.eu/events/schedule/fosdem2017/session/1447-infrastructure-monitoring-with-postgres | 09:19 |
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| priteau | I saw there was a call for someone to present OpenStack deployment with RDO/TripleO at FOSDEM | 09:19 |
| oneswig | I'm not aware of any other OpenStack-related talks currently but plenty of tangential stuff | 09:19 |
| priteau | https://www.redhat.com/archives/rdo-list/2017-January/msg00050.html | 09:20 |
| oneswig | priteau: funny you should mention that - upgrading via TripleO is going on right now over here... | 09:20 |
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| oneswig | OK - other interesting events coming up? | 09:21 |
| priteau | oneswig: at FOSDEM in the CentOS Dojo there is also an OpenStack talk from CERN | 09:21 |
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| priteau | #link https://wiki.centos.org/Events/Dojo/Brussels2017 last one in the list | 09:22 |
| StefanPaetowJisc | Hmmm... Networkshop in Nottingham in April but I don't think there's anything OS related | 09:22 |
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| StefanPaetowJisc | I can check with the organisers | 09:22 |
| aloga | priteau: https://indico.egi.eu/indico/event/3249/ | 09:22 |
| aloga | EGI conference in Catania (May) | 09:22 |
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| aloga | this is a top-down event, but there's a call for posters | 09:23 |
| simon-AS559 | I don't know whether zioproto had mentioned the HPC Advisory Council http://www.hpcadvisorycouncil.com/ in Lugano in April; he has been asked whether we'd like to present OpenStack-related things there. | 09:23 |
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| oneswig | simon-AS559: No, not seen that - interesting. Will you do it? | 09:24 |
| simon-AS559 | I think zioproto has an idea for a presentation, I'll try to think of one myself | 09:24 |
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| oneswig | Sounds good, looks good too | 09:25 |
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| simon-AS559 | If anyone wants to present there about OpenStack, especially with an HPC background, they would be thrilled to have you I guess. | 09:26 |
| oneswig | aloga: The EGI conference conflicts with the OS summit alas - you're required in Catania rihgt? | 09:26 |
| simon-AS559 | zioproto or I could make introductions if necessary | 09:26 |
| aloga | oneswig: yes | 09:26 |
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| oneswig | simon-AS559: Could be interesting - I'll follow up offline | 09:26 |
| simon-AS559 | Good, thanks | 09:26 |
| aloga | oneswig: it conflicts and I must attend | 09:26 |
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| StefanPaetowJisc | I wonder whether emedLab would be interested, oneswig | 09:27 |
| oneswig | aloga: too bad | 09:27 |
| aloga | oneswig: indeed | 09:27 |
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| oneswig | StefanPaetowJisc: I don't see them too often, but will check | 09:27 |
| oneswig | Move on to the summit? | 09:27 |
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| oneswig | #topic WG and related activities at the Boston Summit | 09:28 |
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| oneswig | OK, so we need to plan space for WG activities but there's also something bigger which is closely related to the federation interests | 09:28 |
| oneswig | Flanders, you there? | 09:28 |
| oneswig | OK lets do WG activities first then... | 09:29 |
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| oneswig | How can we contribute to existing work on federation? | 09:29 |
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| oneswig | One area I had been thinking was to extend and refresh the ebook written last year - needs a chapter on federation in research use cases | 09:31 |
| aloga | oneswig: that is a really good idea | 09:31 |
| aloga | oneswig: federation is sometimes a too broad term | 09:31 |
| StefanPaetowJisc | That makes sense. | 09:31 |
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| aloga | oneswig: having a chapter shaping what federation means, or at least illustrating some use cases is a good idea | 09:32 |
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| StefanPaetowJisc | aloga: especially when it comes to OS | 09:32 |
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| aloga | StefanPaetowJisc: +1 | 09:32 |
| oneswig | The topics previously have been about 10 pages of google doc, with pictures and case studies | 09:32 |
| oneswig | Previously I've written the introductory body and had others review it and contribute case studies | 09:32 |
| oneswig | but I don't know enough about federation to do a decent job of this one! | 09:33 |
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| oneswig | Two ways forward - somebody else drives it, or does a lot of reviewing of my text :-) | 09:33 |
| aloga | oneswig: I can help there, of course | 09:33 |
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| StefanPaetowJisc | Ok... we had a chat with eMedLab the other day so there's a possible study there. | 09:34 |
| aloga | oneswig: in either way we choose ;) | 09:34 |
| StefanPaetowJisc | oneswig: I can help review, sure | 09:34 |
| oneswig | Thanks both | 09:34 |
| oneswig | Got a preference on how to work? | 09:35 |
| aloga | oneswig: maybe you can start with an skeleton on the contribution (even just a boilerplate) and then pass us the baton | 09:35 |
| aloga | oneswig: so that we know what you are expecting :) | 09:36 |
| StefanPaetowJisc | aloga: +1 | 09:36 |
| oneswig | OK aloga sounds like a good plan to me. I'll take that on | 09:36 |
| oneswig | #action oneswig to generate skeleton document for study on federation for research use cases | 09:36 |
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| aloga | oneswig: another thing is documentation | 09:37 |
| aloga | for instance the keystone documentation needs a push | 09:37 |
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| oneswig | aloga: previously you've said the biggest shortfall is in documentation - is there anything we could do at the summit to share knowledge and experience, perhaps hands-on? | 09:37 |
| oneswig | oh, forgot - you're not going :-( | 09:38 |
| StefanPaetowJisc | That's been flagged up before in Barcelona | 09:38 |
| oneswig | StefanPaetowJisc: are you making progress with Assent? | 09:38 |
| aloga | oneswig: I think that a sprint (or something similar) for federation documentation would be great | 09:38 |
| StefanPaetowJisc | It's on the long list of things... | 09:38 |
| aloga | oneswig: at least clearly documenting the most common cases (say SAML, oidc, etc.) | 09:39 |
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| oneswig | aloga: agreed, but I'm not familiar enough to contribute | 09:39 |
| StefanPaetowJisc | We've got several new features that I have to document so I've not given it much precedence :-/ | 09:39 |
| aloga | oneswig: I am reviewing the oidc specific stuff, so I can take that | 09:39 |
| aloga | oneswig: (I have to do it anyway) | 09:40 |
| StefanPaetowJisc | And the macOS client is in progress so... | 09:40 |
| oneswig | aloga: That's great, always better to have multiple benefits for one piece of work. Share and enjoy! | 09:40 |
| StefanPaetowJisc | But there's documentation to use a helper script to get keystone tokens | 09:40 |
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| StefanPaetowJisc | With Moonshot that is. | 09:41 |
| oneswig | StefanPaetowJisc: something you need or something you have? | 09:41 |
| aloga | maybe the WG could help reviewing it (you know, documentation is clear for the one that writes it, but maybe not for others) | 09:41 |
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| oneswig | aloga: feel free to add me as reviewer (I'm like a man in the street for this) - anyone else? | 09:41 |
| aloga | oneswig: great! | 09:41 |
| StefanPaetowJisc | You can add me too | 09:42 |
| aloga | StefanPaetowJisc: thanks | 09:42 |
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| oneswig | The other activity discussed around the Boston summit is something being called the Boston Cloud Declaration - shall we cover that? | 09:43 |
| StefanPaetowJisc | I really need to give OS my attention more. This will hopefully change after March | 09:43 |
| StefanPaetowJisc | oneswig: sure! | 09:43 |
| oneswig | StefanPaetowJisc: would be great to have you more active! | 09:43 |
| aloga | oneswig: indeed | 09:43 |
| oneswig | I don't think I have a link for this but it's a policy-driven discussion on federation and sharing between research clouds that have a degree of open access to them | 09:44 |
| aloga | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Boston-Cloud-Congress | 09:45 |
| oneswig | ooh thanks | 09:45 |
| StefanPaetowJisc | Ooooooo! EGI and EUDAT would probably find that interesting. They're working on identity interfederation | 09:45 |
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| aloga | StefanPaetowJisc: indeed, I've introduced EGI.eu relevant people to Flanders | 09:45 |
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| aloga | however, it clashes with the EGI conference, so timing here is not appropiate | 09:46 |
| oneswig | aloga: It would be interesting to know if EGI people would travel to Boston the following week, if it remained on 15-16 May? | 09:47 |
| oneswig | That would need to be traded off against who would come to the summit but not remain an extra week | 09:47 |
| aloga | oneswig: yes, you're right | 09:47 |
| oneswig | Perhaps a doodle poll is the way forward, I can't gauge it otherwise | 09:48 |
| oneswig | The other question is whether this discussion could take place during the summit and be complementary rather than conflicting with other summit activities | 09:49 |
| aloga | oneswig: let me check beforehand with EGI people to see if they are willing to travel | 09:49 |
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| aloga | oneswig: another option is a two-phase event, one in the US, one in the EU | 09:49 |
| oneswig | aloga: the relevant people in EGI are aware of this effort, right? | 09:50 |
| aloga | oneswig: yes | 09:50 |
| oneswig | I think there's more "decide the date" discussion to be had before a "save the date" announcement | 09:51 |
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| oneswig | aloga: can you let me know if you have a response and I'll feed back to Flanders and Khalil | 09:51 |
| aloga | oneswig: yes | 09:51 |
| oneswig | OK thanks aloga | 09:51 |
| aloga | you're welcome | 09:52 |
| oneswig | Anything more to add on this? | 09:52 |
| oneswig | #topic any other business | 09:52 |
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| StefanPaetowJisc | None from me | 09:53 |
| oneswig | So what's new everyone? | 09:53 |
| priteau | There is a thread on openstack-operators asking for feature requests for Pike: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-operators/2017-January/012428.html | 09:53 |
| priteau | Tim Bell has already replied | 09:53 |
| StefanPaetowJisc | Other than the macOS Moonshot client making progress, but that's not strictly OS related. | 09:54 |
| oneswig | I saw his mail - seems like some of the nested project and quota capability he's been looking for is developing | 09:54 |
| oneswig | StefanPaetowJisc: Go Mac! :-) | 09:54 |
| StefanPaetowJisc | Hahaha | 09:54 |
| dariov | oh - good to know quotas are coming :-) | 09:54 |
| oneswig | Can't wait to get it on mine | 09:54 |
| oneswig | Hi dariov, just in time :-) | 09:54 |
| dariov | (hello everybody, sorry - very very late today) | 09:54 |
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| dariov | yeah, sorry | 09:55 |
| oneswig | no worries! | 09:55 |
| oneswig | We are doing practice runs upgrading TripleO and OSP | 09:55 |
| oneswig | Got some interesting issues, hopefully they'd save somebody else some pain | 09:56 |
| mgoddard | ^^^ not exactly going smoothly | 09:56 |
| StefanPaetowJisc | Oy vey! | 09:56 |
| oneswig | ?? | 09:57 |
| dariov | we’re about to roll out a mitaka-based cloud | 09:57 |
| dariov | hopefully production soon | 09:57 |
| mgoddard | upgrade or fresh? | 09:57 |
| dariov | fresh | 09:57 |
| oneswig | dariov: how are you doing it? | 09:57 |
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| dariov | well, I know our ops guys got some headaches with that | 09:58 |
| dariov | but it’s up and running now | 09:58 |
| priteau | dariov: FYI Mitaka will be EOL in less than 3 months | 09:58 |
| dariov | we’re starting to run some compute there | 09:58 |
| dariov | we’ll see how far we go | 09:59 |
| dariov | priteau, our cloud guys were a bit scare to get on newer ones | 09:59 |
| oneswig | Good luck dariov :-) got that "new cloud" smell | 09:59 |
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| dariov | I would need to check with them why, though | 10:00 |
| oneswig | OK bell has gone - lets wrap up | 10:00 |
| oneswig | Thanks all, useful session | 10:00 |
| dariov | bye! | 10:00 |
| oneswig | #endmeeting | 10:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jan 18 10:00:50 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 10:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_wg/2017/scientific_wg.2017-01-18-09.00.html | 10:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_wg/2017/scientific_wg.2017-01-18-09.00.txt | 10:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_wg/2017/scientific_wg.2017-01-18-09.00.log.html | 10:00 |
| oneswig | until next time :-) | 10:00 |
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| StefanPaetowJisc | Ok! | 10:01 |
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| priteau | Thanks, bye everyone! | 10:01 |
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| StefanPaetowJisc | PS... I logged in for the 9pm one a fortnight ago and no one was online? Or did I get the UTC time wrong? | 10:02 |
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| joehuang | hello | 13:00 |
| joehuang | #startmeeting tricircle | 13:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jan 18 13:01:07 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is joehuang. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:01 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: tricircle)" | 13:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tricircle' | 13:01 |
| joehuang | #topic rollcall | 13:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "rollcall (Meeting topic: tricircle)" | 13:01 | |
| joehuang | #info joehuang | 13:01 |
| yinxiulin | #info xiulin | 13:01 |
| Yipei | #info Yipei | 13:01 |
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| joehuang | hi | 13:02 |
| hejiawei | hi joe | 13:02 |
| zhiyuan | #info zhiyuan | 13:03 |
| zhiyuan | hi | 13:03 |
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| hejiawei | #info jiawei | 13:03 |
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| joehuang | due to the Chinese spring festival is approaching | 13:03 |
| hejiawei | today ronghui will absence | 13:04 |
| joehuang | and most of us will be on holiday from next week | 13:04 |
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| hejiawei | He have something urgent | 13:04 |
| joehuang | so the weekly meeting of Jan 25, Feb 1 will be cancelled | 13:04 |
| joehuang | to Jiawei, that's fine :) | 13:05 |
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| joehuang | #info weekly meeting of Jan 25, Feb 1 will be cancelled | 13:05 |
| joehuang | #topic Ocata release preparation | 13:06 |
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| joehuang | there are only few patches in the review queue | 13:06 |
| joehuang | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/tricircle | 13:07 |
| joehuang | let's work on these patches and make it being merged before Jan 24, except QoS spec | 13:08 |
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| joehuang | Is there any challenge for the goal? | 13:08 |
| zhiyuan | no for me, i only have one patch in queue | 13:09 |
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| joehuang | Xiuling, how about yours? | 13:10 |
| yinxiulin | no | 13:10 |
| joehuang | ok | 13:10 |
| yinxiulin | i only have one too | 13:10 |
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| joehuang | at the same time, I hope that we can fix the bugs listed in https://bugs.launchpad.net/tricircle as far as possible | 13:11 |
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| dongfeng1 | this bug no longer exist. how to close it? | 13:13 |
| dongfeng1 | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tricircle/+bug/1647284 | 13:13 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1647284 in Tricircle "api_v1.rst needs updating after AZ deletion" [Undecided,New] - Assigned to Dongfeng Huang (southeast02) | 13:13 |
| zhiyuan | maybe i can fix this one #1647924 Xjob of router setup not triggered | 13:13 |
| joehuang | to Dongfeng, just close it | 13:14 |
| joehuang | to Zhiyuan, thanks | 13:14 |
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| dongfeng1 | ok. i'll have a try. | 13:15 |
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| joehuang | I'll check these bug reports one by one tomorrow | 13:15 |
| joehuang | to define the priority | 13:15 |
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| zhiyuan | is there a patch for 1647284? you can also add a comment in the bug page to link the related patch | 13:16 |
| joehuang | according to Doug's mail http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-January/110218.html | 13:16 |
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| dongfeng1 | no | 13:17 |
| joehuang | because Tricircle is one of "cycle-with-intermediary" projects, so the stable branch could be created just before Feb.16 | 13:17 |
| joehuang | so we can postpone our stable branch creation to Feb.13 | 13:19 |
| joehuang | after that we test the stable branch until Feb.16, then publish the Ocata release | 13:19 |
| joehuang | to Dongfeng, you may add some comments to point out the bug does not exist now, then close the bug | 13:20 |
| zhiyuan | since the deadline is postponed, will we introduce new features? | 13:20 |
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| dongfeng1 | the problem in patch 1647284 no longer exist since the api_v1.rst has been updated. | 13:21 |
| joehuang | mostly bug fix, but not large feature | 13:21 |
| dongfeng1 | just change its status to fix committed? | 13:22 |
| zhiyuan | ok | 13:22 |
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| joehuang | how about mark it as "invalid" | 13:23 |
| dongfeng1 | ok. | 13:23 |
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| joehuang | but new feature could be developed and review in parallel | 13:24 |
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| joehuang | just not being merged into Ocata branch | 13:24 |
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| joehuang | new features will be merged after Ocata stable branch is created | 13:25 |
| joehuang | is it clear? | 13:25 |
| zhiyuan | yes | 13:25 |
| Yipei | yes | 13:25 |
| dongfeng1 | yes | 13:25 |
| yinxiulin | yes | 13:25 |
| hejiawei | yes | 13:26 |
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| joehuang | #info new feature could be developed and review in parallel, just not being merged into Ocata branch, new features will be merged into master branch after Ocata stable branch is created | 13:26 |
| joehuang | #topic PTL election | 13:27 |
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| joehuang | one more topic, the Pike PTL election is also approaching | 13:27 |
| joehuang | will be held during Chinese spring festival | 13:27 |
| joehuang | if you want to work on PTL in Pike cycle | 13:28 |
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| joehuang | please send your self-nomination mail in the mail-list | 13:28 |
| joehuang | if more than one candidates, than election will be held | 13:28 |
| joehuang | if only one candidate, then no election is needed | 13:29 |
| joehuang | I hope that you can have a try | 13:29 |
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| joehuang | the election week is Jan 30 - Feb 03, send your self-nomination according to the community schedule | 13:31 |
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| joehuang | is there any question on PTL election? | 13:31 |
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| zhiyuan | no | 13:32 |
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| Yipei | no | 13:32 |
| yinxiulin | no | 13:32 |
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| joehuang | ok | 13:33 |
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| joehuang | #topic Pike planning and design topics | 13:33 |
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| joehuang | I prepared one etherpad for Pike cycle design topics and planning | 13:34 |
| joehuang | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tricircle-pike-design-topics | 13:34 |
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| zhiyuan | oops, don't know why I can't send a message in etherpad, then I suggest to discuss during PTG | 13:41 |
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| joehuang | I saw your mesage | 13:42 |
| joehuang | I saw your message | 13:42 |
| joehuang | we can have a preparation meeting next Tuesday morning | 13:42 |
| zhiyuan | oh, i see your message in etherpad now | 13:42 |
| joehuang | design topics could be discussed during PTG | 13:43 |
| joehuang | before that we need to do planning | 13:43 |
| joehuang | i.e, preparation for the PTG discussion | 13:44 |
| zhiyuan | oh i see | 13:44 |
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| joehuang | so I suggest let's discuss this etherpad next Tuesday morning 9:30am Beijing time | 13:44 |
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| zhiyuan | ok, no problem | 13:45 |
| joehuang | how about others? | 13:45 |
| Yipei | that's fine | 13:45 |
| dongfeng1 | it's fine. | 13:45 |
| yinxiulin | fine | 13:45 |
| joehuang | it's planning meeting | 13:45 |
| joehuang | #info let's discuss the planning etherpad next Tuesday morning 9:30am Beijing time (UTC1:30 am) | 13:46 |
| joehuang | #info planning etherpad https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tricircle-pike-design-topics | 13:47 |
| joehuang | ok, thanks | 13:47 |
| joehuang | please input your ideas into the etherpad before the meeting as needed | 13:47 |
| joehuang | #topic QoS and LBaaS feature support | 13:48 |
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| joehuang | hello, how about these two features? | 13:48 |
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| Yipei | for lbaas, i tried to create a load balancer in tricircle environment | 13:49 |
| Yipei | http://paste.openstack.org/show/595364/ | 13:50 |
| Yipei | it seems that octavia cannot find the driver | 13:50 |
| Yipei | allowed_address_pairs driver | 13:50 |
| zhiyuan | oh allow-address-pairs not supported by central plugin currently | 13:51 |
| joehuang | you need to enable this extentions, Tricircle has not supported allowed_address_pairs yet | 13:51 |
| joehuang | to zhiyuan, yes | 13:51 |
| joehuang | but I doubt it's reported in central neutron or Ocatavia | 13:52 |
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| Yipei | it is reported in central neutron | 13:53 |
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| Yipei | the request is still not send to octavia | 13:53 |
| Yipei | sorry | 13:53 |
| joehuang | opt/stack/octavia/octavia/common/utils.py\", line 51, in get_network_driver\n invoke_on_load=True\n\n | 13:53 |
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| Yipei | i mean octavia controller worker | 13:54 |
| joehuang | hello | 13:55 |
| joehuang | the error occured here /opt/stack/octavia/octavia/network/drivers/neutron/allowed_address_pairs.py\", line 47 | 13:55 |
| Yipei | https://github.com/openstack/octavia/blob/master/octavia/api/v1/controllers/load_balancer.py#L108 | 13:56 |
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| Yipei | here it validate whether the subnet exists | 13:56 |
| Yipei | then it create the driver | 13:57 |
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| joehuang | central Neutron with tricircle plugin does not support address pair yet | 13:57 |
| joehuang | need to investigate how to implement it in Tricircle central plugin | 13:58 |
| Yipei | ok, got it | 13:58 |
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| joehuang | It seems that Ocatavia relies on address pair feature | 13:59 |
| Yipei | yes | 13:59 |
| Yipei | highly depends on it | 13:59 |
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| joehuang | #info investigate how to implement address pair in Tricircle central plugin | 13:59 |
| joehuang | other topics? | 13:59 |
| zhiyuan | no from me | 14:00 |
| Yipei | no for me | 14:00 |
| yinxiulin | no | 14:00 |
| dongfeng1 | no for me | 14:00 |
| joehuang | ok, thank you for attending | 14:00 |
| joehuang | wish you have a pleasant holiday | 14:00 |
| joehuang | #endmeeting | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 14:00 | |
| zhiyuan | thanks :) | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jan 18 14:00:55 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2017/tricircle.2017-01-18-13.01.html | 14:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2017/tricircle.2017-01-18-13.01.txt | 14:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2017/tricircle.2017-01-18-13.01.log.html | 14:01 |
| joehuang | bye | 14:01 |
| dongfeng1 | :) bye | 14:01 |
| Yipei | bye | 14:01 |
| zhiyuan | bye | 14:01 |
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| Menthos | Massively distributed is about to start | 15:01 |
| Menthos | ping ad_rien, menthos, denaitre, msimonin | 15:01 |
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| Menthos | #startmeeting massively_distributed_clouds | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jan 18 15:01:32 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Menthos. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'massively_distributed_clouds' | 15:01 |
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| Menthos | Hi everyone | 15:02 |
| Menthos | May I ask who's here? | 15:02 |
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| pramchan | #info pramchan | 15:02 |
| ansmith | o/ | 15:03 |
| kgiusti | o/ | 15:03 |
| denaitre | hi o/ | 15:03 |
| mabderrahim | o/ | 15:03 |
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| Menthos | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/massively_distributed_ircmeetings_2017 Today's agenda (line 83) | 15:03 |
| rcherrueau | o/ | 15:03 |
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| msimonin | Menthos: o/ | 15:03 |
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| Menthos | So as you may have noticed I will be chairing this meeting :-) | 15:03 |
| dancn | Hello, I am Daniele P. from FBK, we will present our institution and work later | 15:03 |
| Menthos | Hello dancn, thank you for joining us! | 15:04 |
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| Menthos | Okay so I guess we can start | 15:04 |
| Menthos | #topic Announcements | 15:05 |
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| dsantoro | Hello, I'm Daniele S. working with Daniele P. in FBK institution | 15:05 |
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| Menthos | First I would like to remind you to put your name in the pad, line 85 | 15:05 |
| pramchan | #hello prakash from Futurewie Inc USA | 15:05 |
| Menthos | Hello dsantoro | 15:06 |
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| Menthos | #undo | 15:07 |
| openstack | Removing item from minutes: #topic Announcements | 15:07 |
| Menthos | #topic Co-chairs | 15:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Co-chairs (Meeting topic: massively_distributed_clouds)" | 15:07 | |
| Menthos | So the first topic is about chairing | 15:07 |
| Menthos | Is anyone interested in co-chairing the meetings? | 15:07 |
| Menthos | We think someone that is not from Inria would bring some diversity | 15:07 |
| pramchan | #sure I can cochair pramchan add me | 15:07 |
| Menthos | Thanks pramchan :-) | 15:08 |
| Menthos | #chair pramchan | 15:08 |
| openstack | Current chairs: Menthos pramchan | 15:08 |
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| Menthos | Anyone else? | 15:09 |
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| pramchan | #does anyone has any inputs from last meeting? | 15:09 |
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| Menthos | We can come back to this at the end of the meeting | 15:09 |
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| pramchan | OK | 15:09 |
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| Menthos | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/massively_distributed_clouds/2017/massively_distributed_clouds.2017-01-04-15.00.html minutes from the last meeting | 15:10 |
| Menthos | So let's move on | 15:10 |
| Menthos | #topic New institution: FBK | 15:10 |
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| dsantoro | FBK is a research institution (http://www.fbk.eu/) based in Trento - Italy which is composed by several research centers. Our unit (DISCO, https://disco.fbk.eu/) is part of the CREATE-NET center (https://create-net.fbk.eu/). | 15:11 |
| Menthos | dsantoro and dancn, would you like to take 5-10 minutes to introduce your institution? | 15:11 |
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| Menthos | And talk about your current use-cases? | 15:11 |
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| dsantoro | We used OpenStack during last two years and we did few customization in particular in the context of a EU founded research project called FIWARE (https://www.fiware.org/). In this project we support the maintenance of a multi region cloud based on OpenStack. In prticulat the activities about the monitoring of such infrastructure have been presented during 2016 within the OpenStack summit in Austin. | 15:11 |
| dsantoro | In 2016 we started to work on edge/fog computing jointly with the unit specialized in IoT (https://openiot.fbk.eu/) and we presented a demo paper about our implementation during CloudCom 2016 in Luxemburg. | 15:12 |
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| dsantoro | Cloud4IoT, is a platform offering automatic deployment, orchestration and dynamic configuration of IoT support software components and data-intensive applications for data processing and analytics, thus enabling plug-and-play integration of new sensor objects and dynamic scalability of the workload. Cloud4IoT enables the concept of Infrastructure as Code in the IoT context: it empowers IoT operations with the flexibility | 15:12 |
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| dsantoro | and elasticity of Cloud services. Furthermore it shifts traditionally centralized Cloud architectures towards a more distributed and decentralized computation paradigm, as required by IoT technologies, bridging the gap between Cloud Computing and IoT ecosystems. | 15:14 |
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| Menthos | dsantoro: good thank you | 15:17 |
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| Menthos | I have a question but I will keep it for a next topic :-) | 15:18 |
| dsantoro | We built a platform to manage IoT devices and related use cases on top of OpenStack and Kubernetes and we think that on the edge nodes OpenStack could be a good choice but we are still evaluating the limitation and how to overcome them. | 15:18 |
| msimonin | dsantoro: I think most of us are interested :) | 15:18 |
| dsantoro | We have some hardware and we are available to test our use cases (see paper) using OpenStack at the edge identifying possible requirements and limitation | 15:18 |
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| Menthos | This is the perfect transition to the next topic | 15:19 |
| msimonin | :) | 15:19 |
| dsantoro | We are still new in this WG and we will share appropriate resources later | 15:20 |
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| Menthos | Great | 15:20 |
| pramchan | #info We had reviewed similar limitations in OpenStack for Edge cloudlet earlier and agree with FBK | 15:20 |
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| Menthos | okay let's move on to the next topic | 15:20 |
| Menthos | #topic Deployment slides | 15:20 |
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| Menthos | #link https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1jJFZejZqgYDxu5FX4K8g3I5zQ87afnjYI4VSRSuCQ6U/edit#slide=id.g19f88bc747_0_124 | 15:21 |
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| Menthos | I see that someone added new slides | 15:21 |
| Menthos | But that someone is anonymous | 15:21 |
| Menthos | May they raise their hand? | 15:21 |
| ansmith | I had the action to update scenario 1 for qpid | 15:22 |
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| ansmith | If you look at slide 8, it goes back to a discussion we had a few meetings back | 15:22 |
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| ansmith | For the granularity of the scenarios, we should show that oslo.messaging is the service | 15:22 |
| Menthos | Yes I remember | 15:22 |
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| ansmith | and rabbit or qpid is a lower level detail | 15:23 |
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| ansmith | For background, see slide 9 | 15:23 |
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| ansmith | An "openstack service" will utilize oslo.messaging | 15:23 |
| ansmith | On a per service basis, it may be an rpc client or server | 15:23 |
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| ansmith | or notification client or server | 15:24 |
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| Menthos | Okay | 15:24 |
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| ansmith | oslo.messaging supports the concept of a transport_url that specifies what gets used for rpc and notifications | 15:25 |
| pramchan | #slide 9 shows the oslo messaging logic | 15:25 |
| Menthos | So we can consider that slide 8 is correct for any message bus? | 15:25 |
| ansmith | yes | 15:25 |
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| ansmith | slide 10 shows predominant deployment, e.g. rabbit broker gets used for both rpc and notify | 15:26 |
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| ansmith | slide 11 shows alterrnative where rpc and notify use different backends | 15:26 |
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| ansmith | a brokerless direct messaging backend for rpc | 15:26 |
| ansmith | and a store and forward broker for notifications | 15:26 |
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| ansmith | as we consider distributed cloud scenarios, the backend architecture will need to be considered | 15:27 |
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| ansmith | so proposal would be to depict oslo.messaging at the scenario level and then we can breakout the details and alternatives for the backend | 15:28 |
| ansmith | e.g. amqp, kafka, zmq, etc. | 15:28 |
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| Menthos | I see | 15:29 |
| Menthos | Sounds good :-) | 15:29 |
| Menthos | dsantoro dancn of all the scenario (1 to 3), which one would be the closest to your requirements? | 15:29 |
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| pramchan | Now that means every site will have an oslo messaging connected to bus | 15:30 |
| Menthos | Or do you have something completely different in mind? | 15:30 |
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| pramchan | #rpc and notify message buses or channels for back end are distinct | 15:31 |
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| dsantoro | Menthos sorry we did not evaluated the scenarios slide yet we need some time to review all the documents in your WG | 15:32 |
| Menthos | Sure no problem | 15:32 |
| pramchan | Also Notify is one way channel from infra to OpenStcak service | 15:32 |
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| Menthos | You can just look at it and tell us what you think next time | 15:33 |
| dancn | sure! | 15:33 |
| Menthos | Thanks :-) | 15:33 |
| Menthos | #action dsantoro feedback on scenario slides | 15:33 |
| Menthos | What about the functional needs and limitations? | 15:34 |
| Menthos | Anyone made progress on this? | 15:34 |
| Menthos | That's ad_rien WIP though, so let's throw it back to him | 15:35 |
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| Menthos | #nick ad_rien | 15:35 |
| pramchan | #ok please add feedback to slides by adding comments on the right window | 15:35 |
| Menthos | #action ad_rien Identify functional needs/limitations for each scenario | 15:35 |
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| Menthos | Okay so let's move on | 15:36 |
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| Menthos | #topic Experiments | 15:36 |
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| Menthos | msimonin: can you tell us about the status/progress on the Enos side? | 15:37 |
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| msimonin | sure | 15:37 |
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| msimonin | #link https://github.com/BeyondTheClouds/enos | 15:37 |
| Menthos | As a reminder, Enos allows to experiment multiple deployment topologies, run benchmarks, save metrics and more | 15:38 |
| msimonin | exactly :) | 15:38 |
| msimonin | We are starting to land new features | 15:39 |
| msimonin | regarding multisite deployment | 15:39 |
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| pramchan | #Is there an Open access to test Enos you have installed? | 15:39 |
| msimonin | for now we evaluated OpenStack in a single region scenario where all the nodes are close to each others using the tool | 15:39 |
| msimonin | now we are moving towards experimenting OpenStack in a multisite/multiregion context | 15:40 |
| Menthos | pramchan: no because an Enos deployment doesn't last very long | 15:40 |
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| msimonin | One new feature may be interesting for this WG | 15:40 |
| Menthos | pramchan: basically just the time to deploy OpenStack and make some measurments. Then everything is destroyed | 15:40 |
| msimonin | we can emulate bandwidth/latency constraints between nodes in order to reflect geographically distributed services | 15:41 |
| msimonin | and rcherrueau: is working towards supporting multiregions | 15:41 |
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| pramchan | OK no access due to lifcycle limitations of enos experiment - Thanks | 15:41 |
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| msimonin | pramchan: there are two ways to use Enos | 15:42 |
| Menthos | pramchan: but all the metrics are saved, so you can still get the raw data and analyze it | 15:42 |
| msimonin | pramchan: either you request for a Grid'5000 account | 15:42 |
| msimonin | #link https://www.grid5000.fr/mediawiki/index.php/Grid5000:Home | 15:42 |
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| msimonin | or you code your own ressource provider (grid'5000 is an implementation of what we call resource provider) | 15:43 |
| Menthos | I don't think we'll have time to go into too much detail | 15:43 |
| Menthos | Maybe you can discuss this after the meeting? | 15:44 |
| msimonin | Menthos: ack :) | 15:44 |
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| Menthos | msimonin: so does that mean you're close to start experimenting on a scenario? | 15:44 |
| msimonin | yes | 15:45 |
| msimonin | scenario 1 is supported | 15:45 |
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| Menthos | Great :-) | 15:45 |
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| Menthos | #topic Joint effort with the NFV/Performance WG | 15:45 |
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| msimonin | If there are particular thing to evaluate in this scenario I'll be glad to know :) | 15:46 |
| Menthos | Yes | 15:46 |
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| Menthos | We need input regarding metrics/what to measure | 15:46 |
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| pramchan | Once we get scenraio analysis pros/cons then we can possibly look at next scenario | 15:46 |
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| Menthos | And I know ad_rien is trying to get input from the NFV WG | 15:46 |
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| Menthos | pramchan: +1 | 15:47 |
| pramchan | NFV WG as in ETSI? | 15:47 |
| pramchan | or NFV WG in OpenStack? | 15:47 |
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| Menthos | in OpenStack | 15:47 |
| pramchan | OK | 15:47 |
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| Menthos | #action Pro/cons of each scenario | 15:48 |
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| Menthos | #topic Ansible playbook for QPID | 15:48 |
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| Menthos | ansmith: do you have any news on that? | 15:49 |
| ansmith | I took an action to scope the effort | 15:49 |
| ansmith | currently we are focused on tripleo/puppet based deployments | 15:49 |
| Menthos | Okay | 15:49 |
| ansmith | ansible is next and planning for pike | 15:49 |
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| msimonin | ansmith: Kolla based deployment would be perfect :) | 15:50 |
| ansmith | dispatch-router and openstack configuration for transport can be done now albeit manually | 15:50 |
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| pramchan | joehuang was intrested in tripleo and Kola may be will check with him | 15:51 |
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| Menthos | ka | 15:51 |
| Menthos | Okay | 15:51 |
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| Menthos | We are close to the end so I think we should move on | 15:52 |
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| pramchan | #action prakash to verify with Joehuang if he wants to contribute to tripleo and Kola efforts | 15:52 |
| Menthos | #topic Attracting more people | 15:52 |
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| Menthos | If anyone has an idea on who to invite, now is the time to express it! | 15:52 |
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| Menthos | 3 | 15:53 |
| Menthos | 2 | 15:53 |
| Menthos | 1 | 15:53 |
| Menthos | #topic Presentation for Boston summit | 15:53 |
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| msimonin | I heard barack obama is free | 15:53 |
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| pramchan | #I had some folks in Edge Cloud efforts which is stalled due to API I can see if any of those would like oto join this and will send them invites for this | 15:53 |
| Menthos | I think this is more urgent because the deadline is in 2 weeks | 15:54 |
| Menthos | Thanks for the heads-up msimonin ;-) | 15:54 |
| Menthos | I'll ping him on Twitter | 15:54 |
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| pramchan | Deadline for ? | 15:54 |
| Menthos | thanks pramchan that would be great | 15:54 |
| Menthos | Presentation proposals for the Boston summit | 15:54 |
| pramchan | OK will work with you folks to see what we can contribute | 15:55 |
| Menthos | Somenone wrote a note about Tricircle and Kingbird on the pad | 15:55 |
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| pramchan | Must be Joehuang and will also ask him to see what he can contribute | 15:55 |
| Menthos | pramchan: thanks | 15:56 |
| Menthos | #action pramchan contact Joehuang for input | 15:56 |
| Menthos | Anyone else? | 15:56 |
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| msimonin | experimentation result on scenario ? | 15:57 |
| Menthos | Like a comparison of two scenarios? | 15:57 |
| msimonin | could be | 15:57 |
| Menthos | Or performance measures? | 15:57 |
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| Menthos | With Performance WG? | 15:57 |
| msimonin | maybe we should check the work done by dsantoro first :) | 15:57 |
| pramchan | #time to conclude in next 3 minutes | 15:57 |
| Menthos | Yes | 15:57 |
| msimonin | this coudl be a joined presentation after all ;) | 15:58 |
| Menthos | #action Presentation proposition for Boston Summit | 15:58 |
| Menthos | Ok thanks msimonin | 15:58 |
| Menthos | #topic Closup | 15:58 |
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| Menthos | We have two minutes to talk about anything | 15:58 |
| pramchan | Can also be panel dicussions if there is many folks ready to debae | 15:58 |
| Menthos | Or just say goodbye | 15:58 |
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| msimonin | Let's have this discussion next week | 15:59 |
| Menthos | #info Panel discussion for Boston summit? | 15:59 |
| pramchan | OK lets correspond through emails | 15:59 |
| Menthos | Yes let's talk about it next week | 15:59 |
| pramchan | sure | 15:59 |
| Menthos | pramchan: great :-) | 15:59 |
| Menthos | Thanks for attending folks | 15:59 |
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| dsantoro | Next meeting will be next week or in two weeks ? | 15:59 |
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| Menthos | two weeks | 15:59 |
| msimonin | thanks for chairing ! | 15:59 |
| dsantoro | thanks | 16:00 |
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| Menthos | So discussion about presentations should be email, I guess | 16:00 |
| pramchan | thanks | 16:00 |
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| Menthos | See you all in two weeks | 16:00 |
| Menthos | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jan 18 16:00:26 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/massively_distributed_clouds/2017/massively_distributed_clouds.2017-01-18-15.01.html | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/massively_distributed_clouds/2017/massively_distributed_clouds.2017-01-18-15.01.txt | 16:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/massively_distributed_clouds/2017/massively_distributed_clouds.2017-01-18-15.01.log.html | 16:00 |
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| smcginnis | #startmeeting Cinder | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jan 18 16:00:45 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is smcginnis. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Cinder)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cinder' | 16:00 |
| bswartz | .o/ | 16:00 |
| smcginnis | ping dulek duncant eharney geguileo winston-d e0ne jungleboyj jgriffith thingee smcginnis hemna xyang1 tbarron scottda erlon rhedlind jbernard _alastor_ bluex patrickeast dongwenjuan JaniceLee cFouts Thelo vivekd adrianofr mtanino yuriy_n17 karlamrhein diablo_rojo jay.xu jgregor baumann rajinir wilson-l reduxio wanghao thrawn01 chris_morrell stevemar watanabe.isao,tommylikehu mdovgal ildikov | 16:00 |
| mdovgal | hi all | 16:00 |
| _alastor_ | o/ | 16:00 |
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| smcginnis | wxy viks ketonne | 16:01 |
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| smcginnis | Hey everyone | 16:01 |
| kaisers | o/ | 16:01 |
| geguileo | Hi o/ | 16:01 |
| rarora | hi | 16:01 |
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| diablo_rojo | Hello :) | 16:01 |
| hemna | yough | 16:01 |
| scottda | hi | 16:01 |
| viks | hi | 16:01 |
| erlon | hey | 16:01 |
| eharney | hi | 16:01 |
| stevemar | o/ | 16:01 |
| rajinir | hi | 16:01 |
| jungleboyj | Hello. | 16:01 |
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| patrickeast | Hi | 16:01 |
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| smcginnis | stevemar: Yay, we're turning you into a Cinder person. :P | 16:01 |
| xyang1 | hi | 16:01 |
| erlon | smcginnis: wxy viks ketonne! | 16:01 |
| wxy| | hi | 16:01 |
| markstur | hi | 16:01 |
| e0ne | hi | 16:01 |
| DuncanT | Hi | 16:01 |
| jungleboyj | stevemar: Yay! | 16:01 |
| stevemar | smcginnis: jungleboyj o_O | 16:02 |
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| smcginnis | hehe | 16:02 |
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| e0ne | :) | 16:02 |
| jungleboyj | stevebaker: Is that a drunk look? If so, you fit right in. | 16:02 |
| smcginnis | #topic Announcements | 16:02 |
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| dulek | o/ | 16:02 |
| smcginnis | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-spec-review-tracking Review focus | 16:02 |
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| smcginnis | #info Sprint to focus on HA and attach/detach today and tomorrow. | 16:03 |
| smcginnis | That etherpad has the outstanding patches for both of these efforts. | 16:03 |
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| smcginnis | If we an get some focus on reviewing and testing those, it would be awesome if we can knock those out. | 16:03 |
| Swanson | hello | 16:03 |
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| erlon | smcginnis: when is the ff? | 16:04 |
| smcginnis | It's getting close to the end of the cycle, so it always gets me nervous pushing things like that through too close to have time to fix anything that comes up later. | 16:04 |
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| smcginnis | erlon: Feature freeze is next week already. | 16:04 |
| smcginnis | #link https://releases.openstack.org/ocata/schedule.html Ocata schedule | 16:04 |
| erlon | smcginnis: Tuesday? | 16:04 |
| smcginnis | So we really are getting down to the wire here. | 16:05 |
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| smcginnis | erlon: Thursday's are the offical days, but I like to get things done a day or two early whenever possible just in case. | 16:05 |
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| erlon | smcginnis: will it be possible to get some focus in the BFS Snapshots feature? | 16:05 |
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| smcginnis | NFS I'm assuming. :) | 16:05 |
| smcginnis | erlon: Yeah, that would really be another good one to get in there. | 16:06 |
| erlon | smcginnis: I have some people on my company counting on that to be in Ocata | 16:06 |
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| erlon | smcginnis: :) | 16:06 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: erlon +2 | 16:06 |
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| smcginnis | erlon: What's the status of that now? Everything testing out right? | 16:06 |
| hemna | erlon, is that review in the list? | 16:06 |
| hemna | the ether pad? | 16:06 |
| erlon | hemna: yes | 16:07 |
| smcginnis | hemna: Farther down. | 16:07 |
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| smcginnis | #link http://www.openstack.org/ptg PTG info and registration | 16:07 |
| smcginnis | Please make every effort to attend the PTG. | 16:07 |
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| smcginnis | We will hopefully get back to streaming on YouTube if we can for those that can't attend in person. | 16:08 |
| erlon | hemna: smcginnis: jungleboyj: righ now there something failing, but I would ask to people still review it, as that shouldn't be hard to solve. Ill get to that ASAP | 16:08 |
| hemna | erlon, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/147186/ that one? | 16:08 |
| smcginnis | Just need a voice tracking drone to fly around the room and record us. | 16:08 |
| erlon | hemna: yes | 16:08 |
| smcginnis | erlon: ack | 16:08 |
| hemna | kew | 16:08 |
| jungleboyj | He he ... That would be awesome. | 16:08 |
| smcginnis | diablo_rojo: I think you said Cinder representation is looking OK with the latest registration counts? | 16:09 |
| erlon | smcginnis: will hemma attend? I think he is the drone'a owner | 16:09 |
| smcginnis | :) | 16:09 |
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| smcginnis | hemna: You are able to go this time, right? | 16:09 |
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| hemna | yah I got approval | 16:09 |
| smcginnis | Woot | 16:10 |
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| hemna | I just have to book my flight and hotel still | 16:10 |
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| tbarron | hi | 16:10 |
| e0ne | good news! | 16:10 |
| stevemar | there are 90 tickets left :) | 16:10 |
| smcginnis | stevemar: Oh, not bad. | 16:10 |
| stevemar | it was 130 about 10 days ago | 16:10 |
| smcginnis | Rush at the end. | 16:10 |
| stevemar | it was at 130 for a looong time | 16:10 |
| stevemar | yep | 16:10 |
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| stevemar | i think folks were just waiting for the new year to get approval (at least I was) | 16:10 |
| smcginnis | Hard part I think is a lot of companies won't allow booking everything until it falls under the right fiscal quarter. | 16:10 |
| ildikov | stevemar: management ususally does not like early decisions :) | 16:11 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: I got official approval as well. Just working out details. | 16:11 |
| diablo_rojo | hemna, You should use the offical hotels if you can :) It would really help us out. We need to hit our hotel numbers. | 16:11 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: Awesome! | 16:11 |
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| diablo_rojo | smcginnis, +1 | 16:11 |
| ildikov | stevemar: at least that's my experience re late approvals | 16:11 |
| diablo_rojo | ildikov, sad but true | 16:11 |
| jungleboyj | diablo_rojo: What happens if you miss those numbers? | 16:11 |
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| smcginnis | It comes out of diablo_rojo's paycheck. :) | 16:12 |
| diablo_rojo | jungleboyj, The foundation has to pay a lot of extra money for the venue. | 16:12 |
| jungleboyj | diablo_rojo: Ok. The conference rate isn't good and companies want to use the Hilton instead. | 16:12 |
| diablo_rojo | jungleboyj, to get the number of conference rooms we have we had to lock in a bunch of hotel rooms and so if no one reserves them we have to pay for them. | 16:12 |
| smcginnis | diablo_rojo: Any idea how short we are? | 16:12 |
| diablo_rojo | smcginnis, a lot :/ | 16:12 |
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| diablo_rojo | but the more we get the less it will hurt | 16:12 |
| smcginnis | diablo_rojo: That's why I've never liked that model. :/ | 16:13 |
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| smcginnis | OK... | 16:13 |
| smcginnis | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/boston-2017/call-for-presentations/ Summit CFP | 16:13 |
| jungleboyj | diablo_rojo: Ok, I will see what I can do. | 16:13 |
| diablo_rojo | jungleboyj, Yeah I've heard that from a few people. | 16:13 |
| dulek | Well, it kind of doesn't make sense that PTG was supposed to be cheap, and then Foundation requires us to book a more expensive hotel. | 16:13 |
| diablo_rojo | jungleboyj, thanks :) | 16:13 |
| jungleboyj | diablo_rojo: Yep. :-) | 16:13 |
| e0ne | dulek: +1 | 16:13 |
| jungleboyj | dulek: So, is it really cheap? | 16:13 |
| hemna | dulek, +1 | 16:14 |
| smcginnis | Session proposals for the Summit are now open. | 16:14 |
| hemna | the PTG and the summit changes have been a disaster since the start | 16:14 |
| hemna | meh | 16:14 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: What is the deadline for those? | 16:14 |
| diablo_rojo | dulek, The type of event it is is kind of a special unicorn in regards to the type of space we require and so that throws a monkey wrench into things. | 16:14 |
| jungleboyj | hemna: +2 | 16:14 |
| smcginnis | Given the switch from the Design Summit, might be a good way to get extra management incentive to attend if you can get a talk accepted. | 16:14 |
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| smcginnis | jungleboyj: Good question... | 16:14 |
| bswartz | hemna: pessimistic much? | 16:14 |
| diablo_rojo | hemna, growing pains :) | 16:14 |
| Swanson | "special unicorn" vs those "ordinary unicorns". | 16:14 |
| ildikov | jungleboyj: Febr 6 IIRC | 16:14 |
| hemna | bswartz, always :) | 16:14 |
| smcginnis | ildikov: Beat me to it! | 16:15 |
| scottda | Please make all comlaints in #openstack-B&*$tch | 16:15 |
| ildikov | smcginnis: :) | 16:15 |
| dulek | diablo_rojo: I'm not saying that it's easy, I understand the difficulties. | 16:15 |
| smcginnis | bswartz: You must not know hemna well if you have to ask that. :D | 16:15 |
| hemna | smcginnis, :) | 16:15 |
| jungleboyj | ildikov: Thank you! | 16:15 |
| diablo_rojo | Swanson, :P | 16:15 |
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| smcginnis | There is an #openstack-ptg unofficial channel for any PTG related stuff. | 16:15 |
| smcginnis | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ATL-cinder-ptg-planning PTG topic planning | 16:16 |
| xyang1 | smcginnis: how come that is unofficial | 16:16 |
| smcginnis | Please add any topics to the etherpad that you think would be good to discuss. | 16:16 |
| smcginnis | xyang1: Just not sure if it's logged and stuff. Though it might be now, not really sure. | 16:16 |
| xyang1 | ok | 16:17 |
| dulek | smcginnis: Only VIPs in there right now. ;) | 16:17 |
| smcginnis | So far the PTG is going to be scottda talking for three days, so please add any extra topics. :) | 16:17 |
| smcginnis | dulek: Hah! | 16:17 |
| * scottda looks away | 16:17 | |
| * dulek likes scottda's talking, what's the problem? | 16:17 | |
| bswartz | scottda talking for 3 days works for me | 16:17 |
| smcginnis | Works for me. :) | 16:17 |
| diablo_rojo | scottda, I will play your favorite song so you can have a dance break from talking ;) | 16:18 |
| _alastor_ | it seems like if the PTG can't go on without a certain number of hotel reservations, it should just include the price of the hotel in the ticket | 16:18 |
| bswartz | as long as jgriffith writes on the whiteboard at the same time | 16:18 |
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| * jungleboyj is laughing | 16:18 | |
| smcginnis | bswartz: LOL | 16:18 |
| scottda | but he has to write LARGE | 16:18 |
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| smcginnis | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-January/109899.html Migrate CGs to Generic Volume Groups update | 16:18 |
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| jungleboyj | Caddilac Caddilac | 16:18 |
| smcginnis | Reminder about CGs and volume groups | 16:18 |
| * diablo_rojo is going to bring good whiteboard markers | 16:19 | |
| smcginnis | xyang1: Want to comment on that at all? | 16:19 |
| diablo_rojo | jungleboyj, Pop that trunk! | 16:19 |
| hemna | no magic whiteboards? | 16:19 |
| xyang1 | smcginnis: I have not got acknowledgement from some yet | 16:19 |
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| jungleboyj | :-0 | 16:19 |
| jungleboyj | :-) | 16:19 |
| smcginnis | Now now children... :) | 16:20 |
| xyang1 | scottda: hemna have IBM driver maintainers got the msg | 16:20 |
| hemna | xyang1, ? | 16:20 |
| hemna | "the message"? | 16:20 |
| xyang1 | I did send out emails to driver maintainers | 16:20 |
| scottda | xyang1: just the overview | 16:20 |
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| hemna | ok, I didn't see it | 16:20 |
| xyang1 | hemna: the migrate cg to groups one | 16:20 |
| diablo_rojo | smcginnis, 'Our beloved ptl and head cat herder' | 16:20 |
| scottda | xyang1: We know we've work to do by Pike-1 | 16:20 |
| xyang1 | hemna: what is your email now | 16:20 |
| smcginnis | Hah | 16:20 |
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| Swanson | xyang1, I have that email open actually and I plan to read it or at least have smcginnis give me the gist of it. | 16:20 |
| smcginnis | Swanson: :) | 16:21 |
| * jungleboyj is going to call smcginnis Dad now. | 16:21 | |
| xyang1 | Swanson: ok, thanks | 16:21 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: Go to your room. | 16:21 |
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| smcginnis | #topic Testing for Ocata release | 16:21 |
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| smcginnis | scottda: Taker er away. Please. :] | 16:22 |
| scottda | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-ocata-testing | 16:22 |
| * jungleboyj sulks away. | 16:22 | |
| scottda | We discovered in Newton that our testing is ad hoc for features without tempest or functional tests. | 16:22 |
| scottda | So, a bit too late, we had folks sign up for whatever they were already testing... | 16:23 |
| scottda | mainly, to identify gaps. | 16:23 |
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| scottda | So, it'd be nice if you're testing something to sign on that etherpad. | 16:23 |
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| scottda | And add features that need manual testing. | 16:23 |
| scottda | Mainly, we just need to make sure *someone* is testing stuff before we ship. | 16:24 |
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| hemna | whoa whoa whoa....before? | 16:24 |
| e0ne | hemna: :) | 16:24 |
| scottda | Yes, radical new idea. We've fired all the customers as beta testers. | 16:24 |
| jungleboyj | hemna: I know. Crazy, isn't it? | 16:25 |
| diablo_rojo | hemna :) | 16:25 |
| scottda | Anyway, that's it. Nice to test stuff. | 16:25 |
| Swanson | This is against the open source credo of the customer as tester. | 16:25 |
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| scottda | I'm done. Please help. | 16:26 |
| smcginnis | scottda: OK, thanks. | 16:26 |
| smcginnis | #topic HA and Attach/Detach sprint | 16:27 |
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| smcginnis | OK, I already ended up covering this in the announcements, but just for good measure. | 16:27 |
| smcginnis | Please use the review focus etherpad to try to get some of these through. | 16:27 |
| smcginnis | I mentioned in the ML post, it would be good to get these in, then fix any bugs we fine. | 16:28 |
| smcginnis | The main thing being that we do not break any existing functionality. | 16:28 |
| smcginnis | We tend to get held up on things. I'd like to see some actual run time on some of this code before it's too late. | 16:29 |
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| geguileo | If HA A/A breaks anything, please ping me and I'll fix it asap | 16:29 |
| geguileo | As we've already seen a couple of bugs crawl in there | 16:29 |
| smcginnis | geguileo: +1 | 16:29 |
| * scottda puts Gorka's number on his company's support list | 16:29 | |
| smcginnis | geguileo: Thanks for staying on top of all that. | 16:30 |
| smcginnis | scottda: Hah, good idea. :) | 16:30 |
| geguileo | lol | 16:30 |
| smcginnis | That's the kind of thing I'd like to see shaken out before the final cut though. | 16:30 |
| dulek | geguileo: Are we planning to mark any driver as A/A-supported? | 16:30 |
| smcginnis | I would hate to merge the patches in right before the freeze and find out a few weeks into Pike that we broke something horribly. | 16:30 |
| dulek | geguileo: Otherwise people won't really be able to test this. | 16:31 |
| dulek | Or am I wrong somehow? | 16:31 |
| geguileo | dulek: I'm more worried about people testing existing functionality with that code in | 16:31 |
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| scottda | geguileo: Are there any patches in the queue that are dangerous? or safer? | 16:31 |
| geguileo | dulek: Less concerned at this point with the A/A functionality being perfect | 16:31 |
| smcginnis | I think Pike will be when we can really say it is supported once driver maintainers get a chance to validate that setup. | 16:32 |
| dulek | geguileo: Hey, we've just talked 'bout users being beta testers. :D | 16:32 |
| scottda | It seems we've already merged most of the important stuff. | 16:32 |
| dulek | I wondered if we're able to get e.g. Ceph changes in Ocata. | 16:32 |
| geguileo | scottda: The more dangerous one is the replication one that is the next on the review list | 16:32 |
| smcginnis | Eh, no one cares about replication anyway. :P | 16:32 |
| jungleboyj | scottda: Why didn't I think of that when talking about our support earlier. Just forward all calls to geguileo. Problem solved! | 16:33 |
| geguileo | The most dangerous one was the scheduler one that already merged | 16:33 |
| * jungleboyj glares at smcginnis | 16:33 | |
| dulek | geguileo: Meh, only 2 bugs in there. ;) | 16:33 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: Hey, did I say you could come out of your room yet? | 16:33 |
| scottda | geguileo: Yeah, I was thinking that the stuff that might break things are mostly already in. | 16:33 |
| dulek | We break manage-unmanage each milestone, it's normal. :D | 16:33 |
| Swanson | schmeplication. | 16:34 |
| * jungleboyj goes back to my room and closes the door | 16:34 | |
| smcginnis | dulek: :) | 16:34 |
| geguileo | dulek: But big ones XD | 16:34 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: Hehe. | 16:34 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: You have such a long commute now. | 16:34 |
| dulek | But seriously - we should test retype, migration and manage-unmanage in the gate… | 16:34 |
| jungleboyj | :-) Yep. | 16:34 |
| geguileo | dulek: +1 | 16:34 |
| smcginnis | dulek: We do seem to break that every other month. | 16:34 |
| smcginnis | #topic Open Discussion | 16:35 |
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| scottda | FYI, I posted this on the ML: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-January/110043.html | 16:35 |
| smcginnis | Anything else to cover today? | 16:35 |
| _alastor_ | I'm curious how we would test manage-unmanage in gate | 16:35 |
| scottda | About having consistent endpoints in the service catalog... | 16:35 |
| smcginnis | Ehh, my favorite topic. | 16:35 |
| jungleboyj | _alastor_: Hmmm, good question. | 16:36 |
| scottda | We now have 'volume', volumev2', and 'volumev3' | 16:36 |
| scottda | Which sux | 16:36 |
| _alastor_ | since it requries backend specific information | 16:36 |
| smcginnis | _alastor_: It's in there now for LVM. | 16:36 |
| smcginnis | At the expense of everyone else... | 16:36 |
| Swanson | In gate wouldn't you just do one backend? CI's would be a problem. | 16:36 |
| erlon | _alastor_: create a volume and them manage it? | 16:36 |
| smcginnis | scottda: I agree completely. | 16:36 |
| dulek | smcginnis: That's snapshots only I think. | 16:36 |
| viks | hi https://review.openstack.org/#/c/417537/ | 16:36 |
| scottda | I just submitted this fix: https://review.openstack.org/422078 | 16:36 |
| eharney | yeah, i think manage/unmanage volume is missing still? | 16:36 |
| smcginnis | dulek: True | 16:36 |
| smcginnis | Same issue though. | 16:36 |
| erlon | _alastor_: shouldnt be hard to derive it for LVM once you have the volume id | 16:36 |
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| dulek | _alastor_, smcginnis: We could use list manageable if it was required from drivers. Then Tempest imlementation gets easy. | 16:37 |
| smcginnis | I do think we should look at catalog endpoints again. | 16:37 |
| scottda | OK, when we are done with manage-unmange discussion.... | 16:37 |
| _alastor_ | erlon: Maybe each driver should define a function that will create an "unmanaged" volume on the backend to be managed by thetest | 16:37 |
| _alastor_ | *test | 16:37 |
| bswartz | automated tests for manage/unmanage is nontrivial work | 16:37 |
| erlon | _alastor_: I mean: create a volume, get the prov_info, unmanage it, manage it | 16:37 |
| smcginnis | It really should just be one "volume" endpoint, then discover version from there. | 16:37 |
| smcginnis | At least IMO. | 16:37 |
| bswartz | we did it in manila and we ended up redesigning the whole feature for testability | 16:37 |
| scottda | smcginnis: Yes, we'll discuss this at the PTG... | 16:37 |
| Swanson | No list manageable. I'm not coughing up a list of every volume to anyone on the system. | 16:37 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: +2 | 16:37 |
| scottda | smcginnis: I'd like cinder folks to have a consensus on what we can and will do to change all that. | 16:38 |
| smcginnis | scottda: +1 | 16:38 |
| erlon | _alastor_: drivers barely have functions to work properly | 16:38 |
| smcginnis | Good to get folks thinking about it now ahead of the PTG so we have a chance to make a decision there. | 16:38 |
| xyang1 | bswartz: the redesign was before the feature was merged though | 16:38 |
| erlon | _alastor_: that wouldn't something reliable | 16:38 |
| bswartz | it's not ideal but you can get minimal test coverage by testing create, unmanage, manage, delete | 16:38 |
| smcginnis | scottda: Although maybe we should just come up with a PoC patch to do it. | 16:38 |
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| scottda | smcginnis: Well, it's a keystone thing, And we also don't want to break any users. | 16:39 |
| bswartz | xyang1: yes, I'm just trying to point out how hard it was and what we have to do to actually get working tests for this feature | 16:39 |
| erlon | _alastor_: I think that the list_manageable volumes would solve that | 16:39 |
| wxy| | smcginnis: My colleague told me that Our CI is working now. Can we now remove the unsupported tag from Huawei volume driver? | 16:39 |
| scottda | smcginnis: So, we'll have to think about deprecation, etc. | 16:39 |
| xyang1 | bswartz: agree | 16:39 |
| smcginnis | bswartz: That problem beyond LVM is the manage call may be different for each backend. | 16:39 |
| erlon | _alastor_: but not every driver implements it | 16:39 |
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| smcginnis | wxy|: I'll look again. Logs were not accessible. Otherwise it looked like tests were passing. | 16:39 |
| _alastor_ | erlon: I guess (at least with my implementation) that wouldn't work because any volume created by OpenStack is already unmanageable since that function assumes it's already managed | 16:40 |
| smcginnis | wxy|: If we can get access to the logs, we can revert that unsupported patch. | 16:40 |
| bswartz | smcginnis: In manalia we solved this by requiring drivers to provide a string at volume creation time which is guaranteed to work for re-managing that volume if it ever gets unamanged | 16:40 |
| kaisers | smcginnis: regarding similar drivers, should we ping you personally? | 16:40 |
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| bswartz | smcginnis: it was the only way we could ensure the feature would work in a CI environment | 16:40 |
| kaisers | smcginnis: i mean for reverting the unsupported flag of drivers whose CIs are back | 16:40 |
| smcginnis | kaisers: Just ping the #openstack-cinder channel. | 16:40 |
| _alastor_ | erlon: Which is why I was thinking a second function for normal "non-openstack" volume creation would be helpful for thetest | 16:40 |
| xyang1 | bswartz: actually there are still driver options in manila | 16:41 |
| erlon | _alastor_: hmm, you would need to create some volumes, unmanaged then, and then you would see something listed | 16:41 |
| kaisers | smcginnis: ok | 16:41 |
| _alastor_ | erlon: yeah, or that :) | 16:41 |
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| bswartz | xyang1: the test relies on that export location string being sufficient though, doesn't it? | 16:41 |
| xyang1 | bswartz: not enough, there is a recent patch from ganso to use driver options in ci | 16:42 |
| erlon | _alastor_: internally we have a a test harness that do that, checking directly in the backend, but to specific to us | 16:42 |
| bswartz | xyang1: >_< | 16:42 |
| xyang1 | bswartz: I am talking about manage snapshot. manage volume might be ok | 16:43 |
| bswartz | ok | 16:43 |
| tbarron | can remove one topic from the manila meeting tomorrow :D | 16:44 |
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| xyang1 | tbarron: :) | 16:44 |
| bswartz | lol | 16:44 |
| smcginnis | Anything else today? | 16:44 |
| smcginnis | OK, thanks everyone. | 16:44 |
| viks | hi https://review.openstack.org/#/c/417537/ | 16:45 |
| jungleboyj | Thank you! | 16:45 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: You can come out of your room now. :P | 16:45 |
| jungleboyj | Fun meeting! | 16:45 |
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| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Thank you. I will be good now. | 16:45 |
| scottda | good thing you remembered to set him free smcginnis | 16:45 |
| diablo_rojo | smcginnis, as always, thanks for putting up with us :) | 16:45 |
| scottda | Last week he was up there for 2 days. | 16:45 |
| smcginnis | #endmeeting | 16:45 |
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| Swanson | toodles | 16:45 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jan 18 16:45:31 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:45 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2017/cinder.2017-01-18-16.00.html | 16:45 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2017/cinder.2017-01-18-16.00.txt | 16:45 |
| smcginnis | LOL | 16:45 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2017/cinder.2017-01-18-16.00.log.html | 16:45 |
| jungleboyj | scottda: I soon will be permanently in my room. ;-) | 16:45 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj has entered the world of "pants optional" | 16:46 |
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| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Problem is when I get to the end of the day and realize I haven't showered and barely eaten. | 16:46 |
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| bh526r_ | #startmeeting gluon | 18:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jan 18 18:01:06 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bh526r_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: gluon)" | 18:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'gluon' | 18:01 |
| bh526r_ | #topic Roll Call | 18:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Roll Call (Meeting topic: gluon)" | 18:01 | |
| kamal___ | #info Kamal Hussain | 18:01 |
| bh526r_ | #info Bin Hu | 18:01 |
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| pcarver | #info Paul Carver | 18:01 |
| tomhambleton | #info Tom Hambleton | 18:01 |
| bh526r_ | Hi guys | 18:02 |
| georgk | #info Georg Kunz | 18:02 |
| bh526r_ | #topic Admin Update | 18:02 |
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| bh526r_ | #info Juniper will kindly host our F2F on Feb 6 and 7 Monday and Tuesday in Sunnyvale. | 18:03 |
| bh526r_ | #info The goal is to complete our tasks so as to deliver our first official release on the same schedule of Ocata release | 18:04 |
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| bh526r_ | Just FYI - after communicating with core developers, very few will be able to travel to Atlanta | 18:06 |
| bh526r_ | #topic Gluon Tasks | 18:07 |
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| bh526r_ | #info For informational purpose | 18:07 |
| bh526r_ | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Gluon/Tasks-Ocata | 18:07 |
| bh526r_ | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ocata-gluon-work-plan | 18:07 |
| bh526r_ | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ocata-nova-neutron-session | 18:07 |
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| bh526r_ | #topic Status Update | 18:08 |
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| jinli | Hi all, | 18:08 |
| jinli | #info JinLi | 18:08 |
| bh526r_ | #info 1. Authentication and Access Control | 18:08 |
| bh526r_ | #info Two patches are available now, thanks to Kamal | 18:08 |
| bh526r_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/420987/ | 18:09 |
| bh526r_ | #info This is for Gluon RBAC using keystone and oslo.policy | 18:09 |
| bh526r_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/421519/ | 18:09 |
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| bh526r_ | #info This is to Support keystone authentication on cli | 18:10 |
| bh526r_ | #info All are encouraged to review and comment | 18:10 |
| bh526r_ | #info 2. OpenContrail's Mechanism Driver | 18:11 |
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| bh526r_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/402071/ | 18:11 |
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| bh526r_ | #info Based on discussion last week: "Kamil will update the readme with the pointer to script and installation instruction" | 18:12 |
| bh526r_ | #info So pending on Kamil's update | 18:12 |
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| bh526r_ | #info 3. Testing | 18:13 |
| bh526r_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/419206/ | 18:13 |
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| bh526r_ | #info This is to catch right type of exception | 18:13 |
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| bh526r_ | Any chance to comment? | 18:14 |
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| tomhambleton | Looks okay to me. I will +2 it | 18:15 |
| bh526r_ | Thank you Tom | 18:15 |
| bh526r_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/419210/ | 18:15 |
| bh526r_ | #info This is the Test case for DataBaseModelGenerator | 18:16 |
| bh526r_ | Any comment? | 18:16 |
| tomhambleton | I will look at it today. | 18:17 |
| bh526r_ | Thank you | 18:17 |
| bh526r_ | #info All are encouraged to review and comment | 18:17 |
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| bh526r_ | #info There is a 3rd test patch from Darla, but still Work In Progress. | 18:18 |
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| bh526r_ | #info So give her time to finish before she invites to review | 18:18 |
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| bh526r_ | #info 4. Gluon API Specification - Coding | 18:19 |
| bh526r_ | #info Tom is working on it | 18:19 |
| bh526r_ | #info Patch is expected by the end of this week | 18:19 |
| tomhambleton | I have it mostly complete. I plan to submit a patch on Friday. | 18:19 |
| bh526r_ | Great Tom | 18:19 |
| bh526r_ | #info 5. Config option for model handlers and backends | 18:20 |
| bh526r_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/420977/ | 18:20 |
| bh526r_ | #info Everyone likes Georg :) It was just approved and merged before our meeting started | 18:21 |
| Jeffreyc42 | :) | 18:21 |
| bh526r_ | #info 6. Devstack Integration (Work in Progress) | 18:21 |
| georgk | :-) | 18:21 |
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| bh526r_ | #link Ian is continuing to work on it | 18:22 |
| bh526r_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/404069/ | 18:22 |
| bh526r_ | #info Ian is continuing to work on it | 18:22 |
| * bh526r_ sorry | 18:22 | |
| bh526r_ | #info 7. Fuel Plugin (Work in Progress) | 18:23 |
| bh526r_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/417876/ | 18:23 |
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| bh526r_ | #info Szilard is continuing to work on it | 18:23 |
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| bh526r_ | #info 8. Nova Enhancement (Work in Progress) | 18:24 |
| bh526r_ | #info Ian is continuing to work on it | 18:24 |
| bh526r_ | That's pretty much the update I have | 18:25 |
| bh526r_ | anything else from your side? | 18:25 |
| bh526r_ | #topic AOB | 18:26 |
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| bh526r_ | #info Bin, Tom and Georg are working on a proposal targeted for ONS and OpenStack Boston | 18:26 |
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| bh526r_ | #info The proposal is focusing on information modeling, the center piece of Gluon | 18:27 |
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| bh526r_ | #info more accurately, service modeling to allow new service definition at micro-service level | 18:29 |
| bh526r_ | #info "right-size" functionality on demand | 18:30 |
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| bh526r_ | any other topic or item to share? | 18:31 |
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| bh526r_ | If nothing else, we can adjourn our meeting and give back 30 minutes | 18:32 |
| bh526r_ | #info Meeting Adjourned | 18:32 |
| bh526r_ | #endmeeting | 18:33 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jan 18 18:33:23 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:33 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/gluon/2017/gluon.2017-01-18-18.01.html | 18:33 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/gluon/2017/gluon.2017-01-18-18.01.txt | 18:33 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/gluon/2017/gluon.2017-01-18-18.01.log.html | 18:33 |
| bh526r_ | Thank you everyone, and bye all | 18:33 |
| tomhambleton | Bye all! | 18:33 |
| jinli | Bye Bye | 18:34 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | hello, hello! | 19:00 |
| SotK | hi! | 19:00 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | anybody around for the weekly StoryBoard meeting? | 19:00 |
| fungi | mmmmmmeetings | 19:00 |
| SotK | I am here! | 19:00 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | oh, a zombie! | 19:00 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | yay | 19:00 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | #startmeeting storyboard | 19:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jan 18 19:00:51 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is zara_the_lemur__. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'storyboard' | 19:00 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | no announcements of which I am aware | 19:01 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | anyone want to sneak an annoucement in ? | 19:01 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | *announcement | 19:01 |
| diablo_rojo | Here! | 19:01 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | hi! | 19:01 |
| * zara_the_lemur__ will move on then | 19:01 | |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | #topic Urgent Items | 19:01 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | also got nothing on the agenda | 19:01 |
| diablo_rojo | Got the second post promoted :) | 19:01 |
| diablo_rojo | As I am sure you all saw | 19:01 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | yes, thanks for that! :D | 19:02 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | #topic In-progress work | 19:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "In-progress work (Meeting topic: storyboard)" | 19:02 | |
| * zara_the_lemur__ just changed topic so discussion around that didn't end up under an urgent header | 19:02 | |
| zara_the_lemur__ | #info diablo_rojo has been promoting our second StoryBoard blog post! | 19:02 |
| SotK | \o/ | 19:02 |
| SotK | thanks diablo_rojo | 19:03 |
| diablo_rojo | No problem. | 19:03 |
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| diablo_rojo | So onto the third post | 19:03 |
| fungi | great stuff | 19:03 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | #link https://storyboard-blog.io/ | 19:03 |
| diablo_rojo | I started adding other post ideas to that bikeshed etherpad | 19:03 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | ooh, nice | 19:04 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | I lost a lot of browser history and bookmarks this week so may not have the link to it handy any more | 19:04 |
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| * SotK goes to look | 19:04 | |
| SotK | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/storyboard-blog-bikeshed | 19:04 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | thanks | 19:05 |
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| SotK | the ideas that are there look sensible to me | 19:06 |
| * zara_the_lemur__ likes the new notes on that etherpad | 19:06 | |
| SotK | I suspect it would be useful to do worklists and boards in one post though | 19:07 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | I'm happy to spread it out if that makes sense | 19:07 |
| * zara_the_lemur__ would also be fine with 'overview post then followup posts' | 19:07 | |
| SotK | oh I misread the etherpad | 19:08 |
| * SotK remembers how indentation works | 19:08 | |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | ohhh, I misunderstood you | 19:08 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | now I get it and yeah I agree | 19:08 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | I think we're on the same page | 19:09 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | which is good since we'll be writing it | 19:09 |
| SotK | :D | 19:09 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | BADUM-TISH | 19:09 |
| * zara_the_lemur__ swiftly moves on | 19:09 | |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | I've listed 'updating webclient components' since I intend to be focusing on that over the next few weeks | 19:09 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | even though I didn't get much done this week on that | 19:10 |
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| diablo_rojo | I would do all the new things in one post together I think | 19:10 |
| diablo_rojo | I was just enumerating the new things :) | 19:10 |
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| diablo_rojo | As sub bullets | 19:10 |
| SotK | yep, that is the page I am now on also | 19:10 |
| diablo_rojo | Muy bien :) | 19:11 |
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| SotK | I intend to look at finishing up the link-to-searches stuff so that the links actually work for things other than stories at some point soon | 19:12 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | :) | 19:12 |
| diablo_rojo | Excellent :) | 19:12 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | ah, I meant to investigate some of the ui around worklist filters, then forgot about it | 19:14 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | we need to find a crowd of folk who love angularjs | 19:14 |
| diablo_rojo | Something for the ML? | 19:14 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | yeah, the python side is usually fine but it's hard to find people with the angular knowhow | 19:15 |
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| diablo_rojo | Ive done a TEENY TINY bit with angular | 19:15 |
| diablo_rojo | but it was also like two years ago | 19:16 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | congratulations, you're our new expert! :D | 19:16 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | dw, it uses angular 1 so your two-year-old experience will still be valid | 19:16 |
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| * diablo_rojo shouldn't have said anything | 19:16 | |
| SotK | :D | 19:17 |
| fungi | might be able to draw from the horizon devs there. i don't recall how far down the angular path they've gotten | 19:17 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | betherly might know | 19:17 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | (hi betherly) | 19:17 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | but yeah, I've spent enough time with angular1 to know it's not my thing and if I need to use it, I will procrastinate at every opportunity, so I'd love to find folk who are enthusiastic, and the storyboard webclient is fairly tidy as codebases go (I am biased) | 19:19 |
| * SotK likes angular but is only a single person | 19:20 | |
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| diablo_rojo | Noted :) | 19:21 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | other things... | 19:23 |
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| diablo_rojo | Migration scripts for Monasca? | 19:23 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | sure, will change to open discussion for it | 19:24 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | #topic Open Discussion | 19:24 |
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| * SotK hasn't had chance to look at them yet, idk about anyone else | 19:24 | |
| zara_the_lemur__ | I haven't looked this week | 19:24 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | could anyone provide a link to where the migration scripts live? | 19:24 |
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| * SotK thinks he can | 19:25 | |
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| fungi | great question. they're not where i expected to find them anyway ;) | 19:25 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | hahaha | 19:26 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | I like it, it's like a challenge with riddles-as-hints | 19:26 |
| * SotK assumes it is this: http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/storyboard/tree/storyboard/migrate | 19:26 | |
| fungi | aha, i didn't look in the right part of that repo | 19:27 |
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| fungi | glad to know it was actually _in_ the sb repo at least | 19:27 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | wow, I've looked at that a million times and *never* noticed the 'migrate' directory | 19:27 |
| * zara_the_lemur__ probably assumed it was related to the db migrations | 19:27 | |
| SotK | I've looked at that enough to see that it puts things from LP into SB, but not actually tried running it yet | 19:28 |
| fungi | yup, the "launchpad" subdir gives it awau | 19:28 |
| fungi | away | 19:28 |
| * fungi makes mental note for future | 19:29 | |
| zara_the_lemur__ | thanks, sotk | 19:29 |
| diablo_rojo | I will put it on my list to look it through :) | 19:29 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | ace | 19:29 |
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| diablo_rojo | SotK, do you think at some point this week you could test it? Or do we want to try to make the changes first and then make the changes? | 19:30 |
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| SotK | I can test it at some point this week | 19:30 |
| diablo_rojo | If I know what needs to change I can try to help make the changes or at the very least keep up on the reviews (finally starting to get around to that) | 19:30 |
| fungi | it's likely a matter of just running it on storyboard-dev, seeing how it breaks, and patching from there | 19:30 |
| diablo_rojo | SotK, sweet | 19:30 |
| diablo_rojo | SotK, let me know how I can help | 19:31 |
| * SotK will do once he knows properly what needs doing | 19:31 | |
| fungi | i doubt anyone will know what's currently wrong with it (if anything) until it gets run | 19:31 |
| * zara_the_lemur__ can't offer much of a hint beyond 'keep an eye out for stories with 'unusual' characters' | 19:32 | |
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| * SotK wonders how it will handle private lp tasks | 19:33 | |
| zara_the_lemur__ | hm, that reminds me, does storyboard explicitly handle unicode? I didn't know much about python+unicode at the time I was looking at this, but we might be able to avoid some of the pain by handling it explicitly if we're not | 19:34 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | it *might* have been struggling with ascii characters over 127 | 19:35 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | *well, ascii encoding with characters over 127 | 19:36 |
| * SotK doesn't believe we explicitly make things into unicode strings anywhere | 19:36 | |
| * zara_the_lemur__ now strongly suspects that was it | 19:37 | |
| SotK | but the database column is utf-8, so I'd hope sqlalchemy is returning unicode strings | 19:37 |
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| * zara_the_lemur__ wonders how long it has been | 19:37 | |
| fungi | yeah, python 3 makes it pretty transparent/automatic, but for python 2 you end up needing to use .encode() and .decode() on strings when marshalling data between byte-oriented media and string representations | 19:38 |
| fungi | the db driver probably does that behind the scenes, but if you have anywhere you're doing raw interactions with file content or network sockets it can come into play | 19:40 |
| * SotK double checks, and yeah, sqlalchemy is providing unicode strings properly | 19:40 | |
| * zara_the_lemur__ wonders if it did that at the time of the last migration | 19:41 | |
| fungi | it's possible the _migration_ script itself wasn't properly handling data it was getting from lp | 19:41 |
| fungi | or even possible that the lp api could return invalid codepoints | 19:41 |
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| fungi | since sb doesn't really do any low-level communication (afaik) and leaves that to third-party frameworks/modules, it's probably internally consistent already | 19:43 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | in this case a lot of the characters that revealed problems were things like single quotes with a different encoding, but they were used in descriptions in places it made sense to use single quotes, so *something* was identifying them correctly. | 19:44 |
| fungi | so-called "smartquotes" probably | 19:45 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | there was a parallel issue where some characters weren't rendered properly, but those didn't actually break anything | 19:45 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | the first ones were the ones that meant stories.get_all() and similar would fail | 19:45 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | so there could even be multiple issues with the migration scripts around that. | 19:46 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | I should have a script somewhere that speeds up the process of identifying stories that contain characters that cause trouble | 19:47 |
| * zara_the_lemur__ can't remember what it actually does | 19:48 | |
| zara_the_lemur__ | it may just try to get each story and then error when it can't.... | 19:48 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | so yeah I have a great tale about the time I removed a million and one 'unusual' apostrophes by hand. | 19:48 |
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| fungi | ew | 19:49 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | I think some of the characters even looked like *whitespace*. | 19:49 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | but maybe I have that mixed up; I've tried to forget | 19:50 |
| diablo_rojo | I suppose we will see what happens when SotK runs the scripts | 19:50 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | yep! | 19:51 |
| fungi | yeah, there are non-ascii codepoints for things like "short space," "long space," "vertical space," "non-breaking space..." | 19:51 |
| * zara_the_lemur__ cries | 19:51 | |
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| fungi | one space to rule them all hasn't been a thing for quite some time now | 19:51 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | :) | 19:52 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | we have 8 minutes left! any other points to distract me? | 19:52 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | if not, we can finish up early! | 19:53 |
| * SotK has nothing | 19:54 | |
| zara_the_lemur__ | in that case... | 19:54 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | meeting ends in 5 | 19:54 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | 4 | 19:55 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | 3 | 19:55 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | 2 | 19:55 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | 1 | 19:55 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | #endmeeting | 19:55 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jan 18 19:55:08 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:55 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2017/storyboard.2017-01-18-19.00.html | 19:55 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2017/storyboard.2017-01-18-19.00.txt | 19:55 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2017/storyboard.2017-01-18-19.00.log.html | 19:55 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | thanks, everyone! :) | 19:55 |
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| SotK | thanks! | 19:55 |
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| notmyname | swift team meeting time | 21:00 |
| notmyname | #startmeeting swift | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jan 18 21:00:16 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is notmyname. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'swift' | 21:00 |
| notmyname | who's here for the swift team meeting? | 21:00 |
| timburke | o/ | 21:00 |
| m_kazuhiro | o/ | 21:00 |
| cschwede | o/ | 21:00 |
| kota_ | hello | 21:00 |
| bkeller` | o/ | 21:00 |
| mathiasb | o/ | 21:00 |
| tdasilva | yo | 21:00 |
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| notmyname | welcome everyone | 21:01 |
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| notmyname | looks like we're a little lower in attendance today | 21:01 |
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| notmyname | but that's ok. just means we'll get done sooner ;-) | 21:02 |
| mmotiani1 | Hi | 21:02 |
| notmyname | topics for this week, as always are at https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Swift | 21:02 |
| notmyname | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Swift | 21:02 |
| notmyname | there's one new topic, and like the past couple of weeks, I'd like to catch up on the different ongoing things | 21:02 |
| hurricanerix | o/ | 21:02 |
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| notmyname | first up, https://bugs.launchpad.net/swift/+bug/1254638 | 21:03 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1254638 in OpenStack Object Storage (swift) "Some bad parameters do not return 4xx" [Wishlist,In progress] - Assigned to Ankur Jain (j-ankur) | 21:03 |
| notmyname | timburke: what's the story? what's the question? what needs to be discussed? | 21:03 |
| timburke | so, currently on master if you send a request to an account or container server with query params like ?limit=foo, we just ignore it and return up to account/container_listing_limit | 21:04 |
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| notmyname | so if you send an invalid parameter, we ignore it? | 21:05 |
| timburke | there's a patch to make that do something reasonable -- enforce the currently documented requirement that you send an integer, 400'ing if you send something invalid -- but clayg was worried that it would break existing clients | 21:06 |
| cschwede | wait a second - send a query to a account/container *server*? | 21:06 |
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| notmyname | including if you send a request for a too-big number? (eg limit=1000000 if the max is the default of 10000) | 21:06 |
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| cschwede | you mean the request gets forwarded with that parameter from proxy to account/container server, right? | 21:07 |
| acoles | sorry I was late | 21:07 |
| timburke | cschwede: yes; like delimiter, marker, etc. the query params from the client get passed directly through the proxy to the account/container server | 21:07 |
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| cschwede | ah, ok. got it. i thought i might have misunderstood and someones sends direct request to acc/cont servers | 21:07 |
| timburke | notmyname: no, that 412s: https://github.com/openstack/swift/blob/master/swift/container/server.py#L480-L484 | 21:08 |
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| timburke | (despite decidedly *not* involving preconditions...) | 21:08 |
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| timburke | cschwede: the patch as it stands *would* still affect direct clients, however. that was actually one of the concerns i had with the previous patchset | 21:09 |
| notmyname | looking at that code, I wonder what a limit=-1 does... | 21:09 |
| notmyname | timburke: which patch? | 21:09 |
| timburke | iirc, the same as limit=0 | 21:09 |
| timburke | notmyname: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/299225/ | 21:10 |
| notmyname | so the proposal is to change from ignoring non-ints in limit to returning an error to the client | 21:10 |
| notmyname | right? | 21:10 |
| timburke | yup. | 21:10 |
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| timburke | clayg felt that the "needs-new-api" tag on the bug was warranted; i felt like we can reasonably tell broken clients that they're broken | 21:12 |
| notmyname | that means a client thatis currently getting a 200 response will start getting a 4xx with no changes if this patch lands | 21:12 |
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| jrichli | sorry im late | 21:13 |
| cschwede | I like the 2013 comment from clayg in this case - "But i like the python philosophy of never silence errors unless explicitly silenced so I think a BadRequest would be better." | 21:13 |
| cschwede | even if that means we fix aka change the api in some way | 21:13 |
| timburke | notmyname: ...and they're currently sending things like ?limit=one and expecting it to work, yes. only it doesn't work as intended anyway | 21:13 |
| notmyname | I mean, yeah, it's pretty safe to assume that a client sending limit=not_integer is doing something wrong | 21:13 |
| timburke | (well, as the client intended) | 21:13 |
| notmyname | but the fact is that we'll break clients in that a currently successful response will start getting 4xx responses | 21:14 |
| cschwede | notmyname: well, the result is wrong atm, but a client might not recognize this - which sounds wrong too? | 21:14 |
| timburke | ...do we know of any clients *expecting* the current behavior? | 21:15 |
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| notmyname | cschwede: only in that the "correct" result is undefined? we can't say what the correct response is anything in particular with the given input, right? | 21:15 |
| timburke | this seems to me like we're playing fast & loose with user input validation | 21:15 |
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| timburke | ...which is pretty much *never* a good thing | 21:16 |
| notmyname | that seems to me to be what the whole meaning of 4xx is: the server can't determine what the correct response is based ont eh input, so returns a client error | 21:16 |
| notmyname | but in this case, we are currently actually responding with a 200 today and we'll start returning a 400 | 21:16 |
| notmyname | that doesn't seem right | 21:16 |
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| notmyname | despite the fact that *surely* none of us would ever write bugs in our code that send bad parameters ;-) | 21:17 |
| timburke | yeah, clay mentioned the fragment-index:None bug | 21:17 |
| cschwede | notmyname: ?limit=-1 sounds wrong *to me*, but yes - that depends on someones view. so forcing clients to make an explicit choice sounds somewhat reasonable to me | 21:17 |
| notmyname | is itsimilar to the HTTP range spec which says that if the range value is unparseable, it's ignored? | 21:17 |
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| timburke | seems like if we'd validated our expectations and 400ed the request it would've been caught sooner? | 21:18 |
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| timburke | iirc there's no guidance | 21:19 |
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| notmyname | so what's the problem with keeping it the way it is today? what is it that's broken? is it just that we are being explicit about the fact that the client's request doesn't make sense? | 21:19 |
| notmyname | (doesn't make sense...despite the fact that we've been returning a 200 for that same request for years) | 21:19 |
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| notmyname | I'm wondering what others thing. acoles? kota_? jrichli? | 21:20 |
| timburke | and to save some future client developer from wasting time debugging and cursing swift for returning more than 100 results when they clearly told it to... wait why's that null? | 21:21 |
| acoles | aren't there other examples of "bad" request params that get ignored e.g. ?format=flobalob for a listing? | 21:21 |
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| acoles | ?multipart-manifest=foo | 21:21 |
| cschwede | looking at the patch, there are some parameters that might be wrong, but shouldn't change - eg "?limit=" | 21:22 |
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| timburke | ?delimiter=foo is a firm error https://github.com/openstack/swift/blob/master/swift/container/server.py#L470-L472 | 21:23 |
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| jrichli | I dont have an opinion yet. will need to take a look after the meeting and gather thoughts | 21:24 |
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| notmyname | so we're relatively inconsistent (and could probably spend a whole day arguing about which inconsistencies are right). meaning that both "sides" could lean on precedent | 21:25 |
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| timburke | yup :-) | 21:25 |
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| matt6434 | soorry I'm late, took me a while to hobble into the conference venue | 21:26 |
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| timburke | but it probably isn't worth arguing for too long; we've got other things on the agenda... i really didn't think it'd be a 20+ min topic | 21:27 |
| notmyname | lol | 21:27 |
| hurricanerix | +1 to wait for some new version of the api that fixes stuff like this and makes the overall api more consistent. | 21:27 |
| notmyname | timburke: have you ever *been* around devs discussing APIs? | 21:27 |
| timburke | hurricanerix: that day will never come :P | 21:28 |
| hurricanerix | hehe | 21:28 |
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| hurricanerix | timburke maybe if we write in more inconsistency it will... | 21:28 |
| acoles | so I'm being a little pedantic but the API doc says for ?limit "For an integer value n , limits the number of results to n ." i.e. it does not say it must be an int, just says what will happen if it is an int. | 21:28 |
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| notmyname | yeah, it might never come, but I too am leaning towards the "needs-new-api" tag staying on the bug | 21:28 |
| acoles | ok so I'm leaning on interpretation of English language to justify me sitting on the fence! | 21:29 |
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| notmyname | "undefined" | 21:29 |
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| notmyname | so to resolve this for today's meeting, I don't think we can move forward with the patch yet | 21:30 |
| notmyname | shall we think on it more and come back to it next week? | 21:31 |
| timburke | i don't like undefined behavior. it leads to strange places, like https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/oldnewthing/20140627-00/?p=633/ | 21:31 |
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| notmyname | or -2 the patch and call it done? | 21:31 |
| timburke | eh, i'll be content to let it stand, but we should close out the patch | 21:31 |
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| notmyname | ok | 21:32 |
| notmyname | timburke: would you be ok with adding a -2, or would you prefer that I do? | 21:32 |
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| acoles | (don't mistake this for me defending the current behaviour) we could update the api ref to say non-int value is ignored. | 21:32 |
| timburke | i'll abandon. pretty sure the original author already has | 21:32 |
| notmyname | timburke: ok, thanks | 21:32 |
| notmyname | acoles: definitely | 21:32 |
| timburke | acoles: we definitely should | 21:33 |
| acoles | that involves yaml :/ | 21:33 |
| timburke | and add tests for that behavior | 21:33 |
| acoles | JK | 21:33 |
| kota_ | +1 | 21:33 |
| notmyname | ok, moving on, then | 21:33 |
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| notmyname | #topic status updates | 21:33 |
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| notmyname | acoles: what's going on with the https://bugs.launchpad.net/swift/+bug/1651530 bug? | 21:33 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1651530 in OpenStack Object Storage (swift) "suffix hash invalidation may be lost" [Critical,New] | 21:33 |
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| acoles | ok so I have started reviewing clayg's set of alternative mini-patches | 21:35 |
| acoles | only one of which I guess addresses that bug, and I haven't got to that one yet. | 21:35 |
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| clayg | acoles: i'm sorry i didn't update them yesterday - i am *very* sick :'( | 21:35 |
| acoles | but we'd probably agree the performance regression is more critical | 21:35 |
| kota_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/418690/ | 21:35 |
| kota_ | that one | 21:35 |
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| acoles | clayg: get well first! | 21:35 |
| clayg | but while lying in bed I was *thinking* about get_hashes the whole time | 21:35 |
| acoles | clayg: that is why you are sick | 21:36 |
| notmyname | clayg: feel better (and go back to bed) ;-) | 21:36 |
| acoles | I am definitely now liking separate mini-patches, I get smaller headaches with them :) | 21:36 |
| kota_ | clayg: please get well | 21:36 |
| acoles | and I think I maybe persuaded jrichli to join in reviewing | 21:36 |
| notmyname | great! | 21:37 |
| notmyname | thanks everyone for working on those | 21:37 |
| jrichli | i can probably tell from the patches themselves, but could you give me the patch number for the one that fixes the critical bug? | 21:37 |
| notmyname | jrichli: the one kota_ linked | 21:37 |
| jrichli | oh, thx. i am a little distracted today | 21:37 |
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| notmyname | cschwede: what's the progress this week on the part power increase patch? | 21:38 |
| acoles | so for anyone else...go to https://review.openstack.org/#/c/418689/4 and there are a bunch of related patches listed there, they all depend on 418689 which is just test infratructure | 21:38 |
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| cschwede | notmyname: mattoliverau helped with reviews, i updated the patch based on his comments - still has a +2 from Pete | 21:39 |
| notmyname | nice! | 21:39 |
| mattoliverau | cschwede: I'll finish looking at it today | 21:39 |
| notmyname | kota_: how's the global ec patch going? | 21:39 |
| cschwede | mattoliverau: thx a lot Matt! | 21:39 |
| pdardeau | cschwede: i haven't reviewed yet, hopefully on Friday | 21:40 |
| zaitcev | The part++ patch looks fine to me. Well, I missed those floats last time I put a +2 on it. | 21:40 |
| zaitcev | The cancellation I'm not particularly hot about but I'm okay with it. | 21:40 |
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| kota_ | notmyname: ah | 21:42 |
| kota_ | notmyname: global ec had good progress in this week, i think | 21:42 |
| mattoliverau | zaitcev: fair enough, thanks :) | 21:42 |
| notmyname | good :-) | 21:42 |
| kota_ | clayg and timburke added worthful comments and I addressed almost of them | 21:42 |
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| timburke | i'm still a bit worried about the possibility of getting a lumpy distribution, with all of the copies of a fragment archive in a single region, for example. i'm also not sure of a good way to address that, though :-/ | 21:43 |
| * notmyname has to log off in a few minutes so ..... | 21:43 | |
| kota_ | only one thing i'd mention, i made a separate patch for it | 21:43 |
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| kota_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/421673/ | 21:43 |
| notmyname | what other updates are there from ongoing work? | 21:43 |
| timburke | kota_: is there the ability to migrate a policy from ec_duplication_factor=1 -> 2, say? | 21:43 |
| kota_ | eh, it looks pep8 erro though.... | 21:43 |
| kota_ | timburke: no, for now. | 21:44 |
| jrichli | tdasilva has been working symlinks task cards like a champ :-) | 21:44 |
| tdasilva | symlink update coming soon to a gerrit near you | 21:44 |
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| notmyname | tdasilva: jrichli: cool. thanks | 21:44 |
| kota_ | timburke: it should be a brand-new policy as well as existing ones | 21:44 |
| * tdasilva thinkgs that sounded lame | 21:44 | |
| mattoliverau | I'm working on merging the latested sharding POC to master, then will push it up as WIP.. there is still alot of work to do, but I think it's time to put it into gerrit for more eyes (and people to fix my bad code) | 21:44 |
| notmyname | any major blockers that need to be brought up for this week? | 21:45 |
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| mattoliverau | notmyname has his talk today.. and it can be streamed live.. for those who don't sleep | 21:46 |
| notmyname | lol | 21:46 |
| jrichli | what's the topic? | 21:46 |
| notmyname | crypto in swift | 21:46 |
| jrichli | oh, cool | 21:46 |
| acoles | mattoliverau: lol, you mean it may help those who don't sleep, or what? | 21:46 |
| notmyname | exactly! | 21:46 |
| mattoliverau | ^^ I didn't say it | 21:47 |
| acoles | notmyname: it was an innocent question that's all ;) | 21:47 |
| notmyname | ok, I need to run to get down to the morning conference activities | 21:47 |
| acoles | notmyname: good luck! | 21:47 |
| notmyname | thank you for coming, and thanks for working on swift! | 21:47 |
| notmyname | acoles: thanks | 21:47 |
| notmyname | #endmeeting | 21:47 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jan 18 21:47:48 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:47 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2017/swift.2017-01-18-21.00.html | 21:47 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2017/swift.2017-01-18-21.00.txt | 21:47 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2017/swift.2017-01-18-21.00.log.html | 21:47 |
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