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| huzhj | #startmeeting daisycloud | 08:03 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Fri Jan 13 08:03:21 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is huzhj. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 08:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 08:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: daisycloud)" | 08:03 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'daisycloud' | 08:03 |
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| huzhj | Today topics: | 08:03 |
| huzhj | 1) Roll Call | 08:03 |
| huzhj | 2) OPNFV: Daisy CI Progress | 08:03 |
| huzhj | 3) OPNFV: Daisy Support Escalator | 08:03 |
| huzhj | 4) OpenStack: Kolla Image Versioning | 08:03 |
| huzhj | 5) AoB | 08:03 |
| huzhj | #topic Roll Call | 08:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Roll Call (Meeting topic: daisycloud)" | 08:04 | |
| huzhj | #info Zhijiang | 08:04 |
| zhuzeyu | #info zhuzeyu | 08:04 |
| luyao1 | #info luyao | 08:05 |
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| huzhj | #topic OPNFV: Daisy CI Progress | 08:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OPNFV: Daisy CI Progress (Meeting topic: daisycloud)" | 08:05 | |
| huzhj | Alex contributed a lot of PS these days. | 08:06 |
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| huzhj | Please DO review them if we have time, some of the PS is really valuable | 08:07 |
| luyao1 | ok | 08:08 |
| zhuzeyu | OK,it is a good idea | 08:08 |
| huzhj | For example: https://gerrit.opnfv.org/gerrit/#/c/26785/ | 08:08 |
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| luyao1 | ssh-keygen is better | 08:09 |
| zhuzeyu | Code like this is very simple and userful | 08:11 |
| huzhj | Yes | 08:11 |
| zhuzeyu | Can this realize the expected function? | 08:11 |
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| huzhj | I think so. | 08:13 |
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| zhuzeyu | I will test its function after meeting | 08:14 |
| huzhj | Old code is fussy, wordy, tremble | 08:14 |
| huzhj | Good | 08:14 |
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| huzhj | Another PS is https://gerrit.opnfv.org/gerrit/#/c/26913/ | 08:15 |
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| huzhj | It makes the local(jenkins slave) and remote (jump server) arguments more readble to us | 08:16 |
| huzhj | Anything else about this topic? | 08:16 |
| luyao1 | good | 08:17 |
| luyao1 | no | 08:17 |
| zhuzeyu | yes, nice work | 08:17 |
| huzhj | #topic OPNFV: Daisy Support Escalator | 08:17 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OPNFV: Daisy Support Escalator (Meeting topic: daisycloud)" | 08:17 | |
| huzhj | Anything about Daisy support Escalator or Escalator itself? | 08:17 |
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| sunjing | I am working on get cluster list from daisy for escalator right now. | 08:19 |
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| huzhj | sunjing you mean you are working on the Daisy side or the Escalator side? | 08:19 |
| sunjing | I am working on escalator side. | 08:20 |
| sunjing | get cluster list from daisy | 08:20 |
| huzhj | #info sunjing is working on getting cluster list from daisy for escalator . | 08:20 |
| sunjing | It is in coding phase now. | 08:20 |
| huzhj | Good, does Daisy fully support this function currently? | 08:21 |
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| sunjing | Yes,daisy has fully supported this now. | 08:22 |
| sunjing | There is no need for modify daisy side. | 08:22 |
| huzhj | Good | 08:22 |
| sunjing | One thing more,the function"Add a new installer daisy adapter to modules directory" has been merge. | 08:23 |
| sunjing | merged | 08:24 |
| huzhj | Great | 08:24 |
| sunjing | https://gerrit.opnfv.org/gerrit/#/c/26595/ | 08:24 |
| huzhj | #info function"Add a new installer daisy adapter to modules directory" has been merged https://gerrit.opnfv.org/gerrit/#/c/26595/ | 08:24 |
| sunjing | But it is just a frame,I will realize that lator. | 08:25 |
| huzhj | OK, I will add a JIRA for this task | 08:25 |
| sunjing | Thanks. | 08:26 |
| huzhj | #action huzhj to add a JIRA task for "Add a new installer daisy adapter to modules directory" implementation | 08:26 |
| huzhj | Anything else? | 08:27 |
| sunjing | nothing for me | 08:27 |
| zhuzeyu | no | 08:27 |
| huzhj | zhuzeyu, I saw your PS https://gerrit.opnfv.org/gerrit/#/c/26851/ about how to install config file by using python setup.py | 08:27 |
| huzhj | It is a good idea | 08:28 |
| huzhj | Seems can replace almost all the task which RPM can provide. | 08:28 |
| zhuzeyu | yes,When use pip install tarball, there is no configuration file in /etc/eacalator | 08:28 |
| zhuzeyu | this patchset can solve this problem | 08:29 |
| luyao1 | good | 08:29 |
| sunjing | agree | 08:29 |
| huzhj | But I believe RPM has its own advantage | 08:29 |
| zhuzeyu | yes | 08:29 |
| huzhj | Basically, RPM is platform specific | 08:29 |
| huzhj | It knows deeply about the RPM based OS such as CentOS/RHEL | 08:30 |
| huzhj | Just like apt to the ubuntu | 08:30 |
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| huzhj | So I think there may be a boundary which is used to decide which task should be done by setup.py, and which should be done by RPM | 08:31 |
| huzhj | We need to make this boundary clear | 08:32 |
| zhuzeyu | I agree with you | 08:32 |
| huzhj | probably, read other projects rpm spec can help | 08:33 |
| zhuzeyu | Does escalator need to support ubuntu? | 08:33 |
| luyao1 | good idea | 08:33 |
| huzhj | zhuzeyu, yes, probably | 08:34 |
| huzhj | At setup.py level, it should not see the difference between RPM based OS and apt based OS | 08:34 |
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| zhuzeyu | ok, we can add Makefile in escalator to generate RPM | 08:35 |
| huzhj | Agree | 08:36 |
| huzhj | #info zhuzeyu said we can add Makefile in escalator to generate RPM | 08:36 |
| huzhj | OK, anything else about this topic? | 08:37 |
| zhuzeyu | no | 08:37 |
| luyao1 | no | 08:37 |
| huzhj | #topic OpenStack: Kolla Image Versioning | 08:38 |
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| zhuzeyu | I am working on geting version of openstack componment in remote docker container by using ansible | 08:38 |
| zhuzeyu | I use 'docker exec ...' to query version of componment in docker | 08:39 |
| zhuzeyu | It seems that it is not a good idea | 08:39 |
| huzhj | what is the problem? | 08:40 |
| zhuzeyu | There is no output in screen | 08:40 |
| zhuzeyu | the error is that input device is not a TTY | 08:41 |
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| zhuzeyu | Recently ,I attempt to use custom module of ansible to query version | 08:42 |
| huzhj | and you can not run with argument, such as ,"-it"? | 08:42 |
| zhuzeyu | yes | 08:42 |
| zhuzeyu | it will work without "-it" | 08:42 |
| zhuzeyu | but if we don't use "-it", we can not see the result | 08:43 |
| huzhj | it works without "-it" only? | 08:43 |
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| zhuzeyu | yes | 08:44 |
| zhuzeyu | It is mainly because "-t" | 08:45 |
| huzhj | Do you think impl. ansible can solve the peoblem ? | 08:45 |
| zhuzeyu | I don't find a solution | 08:46 |
| huzhj | sorry : Do you think impl. ansible module can solve the peoblem ? | 08:46 |
| huzhj | OK | 08:46 |
| zhuzeyu | now ,i am working on this | 08:46 |
| huzhj | Or we may get such info from container metadata? | 08:46 |
| zhuzeyu | I test the using method of ansible custom module today | 08:47 |
| huzhj | I mean, when kolla build these images, it store some sort of metadata to the image, then after it running as a container, we can get metadata from container | 08:47 |
| huzhj | OK | 08:47 |
| huzhj | Try your method first. | 08:48 |
| zhuzeyu | ok ,we can discuss it offline | 08:48 |
| huzhj | The metadata method is just my $0.02 , I am not sure if docker image has such metadata framework or not. | 08:49 |
| huzhj | OK | 08:49 |
| zhuzeyu | I am not sure about this | 08:50 |
| huzhj | #info zhuzeyu is working on getting component version out from container by using ansible module | 08:50 |
| huzhj | #info huzhj suggest using image metadata method which may or may not supported by docker image | 08:51 |
| huzhj | OK, About the Kolla image statical version, I have modified the version file format in Daisy kolla image tarball | 08:52 |
| huzhj | Now it includes not only the git version but also the git tag such as 3.0.2 and build date | 08:52 |
| zhuzeyu | It is really a good idea,we need this information | 08:53 |
| huzhj | I think it is helpful for luyao to impl the version management in daisy | 08:53 |
| zhuzeyu | yes | 08:54 |
| huzhj | The git tag will be used to decide which image group version should be deployed. | 08:54 |
| huzhj | #info huzhj have modified the version file format in Daisy kolla image tarball | 08:55 |
| huzhj | Now it includes not only the git version but also the git tag such as 3.0.2 and build date | 08:55 |
| huzhj | #info Now it includes not only the git version but also the git tag such as 3.0.2 and build date | 08:55 |
| huzhj | #info The git tag will be used to decide which image group version should be deployed after choosing a specific tarball | 08:56 |
| huzhj | #info git tag can also be used to implement the version upgrading | 08:56 |
| huzhj | For example we can upgrade from 3.0.2 to 3.0.3 | 08:57 |
| huzhj | OK, anything else about this topic? | 08:57 |
| zhuzeyu | no | 08:57 |
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| luyao1 | no | 08:57 |
| huzhj | #topic AoB | 08:58 |
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| huzhj | any other business? | 08:59 |
| Qiming | hi, is there a IRC channel for daisycloud? | 08:59 |
| Qiming | searched channel list for daisy but found nothing | 08:59 |
| zhuzeyu | yes ,it is | 08:59 |
| huzhj | Qiming, yes, it is for daisy | 08:59 |
| huzhj | where you found the channel list? | 09:00 |
| Qiming | you can list the channels or search for channels from IRC client | 09:00 |
| Qiming | tried daisy or daisycloud or openstack-daisy ... | 09:01 |
| Qiming | all empty, :) | 09:01 |
| huzhj | most projects share the same channel | 09:01 |
| huzhj | OpenStack suggest most projects share the same channel , thus openstack-meeting | 09:01 |
| Qiming | this channel is for meeting only | 09:01 |
| Qiming | I mean a project specific channel | 09:01 |
| Qiming | sounds like you don't have one | 09:02 |
| huzhj | We now do not have project spec channel | 09:02 |
| Qiming | i see | 09:02 |
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| huzhj | prev we have one (daisycloud-core), but not used now | 09:03 |
| huzhj | If you have any question to discuss please feel free to send email to me | 09:03 |
| huzhj | :) | 09:03 |
| huzhj | We are runing out of time | 09:03 |
| huzhj | #endmeeting | 09:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 09:03 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Fri Jan 13 09:03:51 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 09:03 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/daisycloud/2017/daisycloud.2017-01-13-08.03.html | 09:03 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/daisycloud/2017/daisycloud.2017-01-13-08.03.txt | 09:03 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/daisycloud/2017/daisycloud.2017-01-13-08.03.log.html | 09:03 |
| huzhj | let's talk offline | 09:04 |
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| sunjing | bye | 09:08 |
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| huzhj | bye | 09:09 |
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| dhellmann | #startmeeting releaseteam | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Fri Jan 13 15:00:12 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dhellmann. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: releaseteam)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'releaseteam' | 15:00 |
| ttx | o/ | 15:00 |
| dhellmann | courtesy ping: ttx, dims, fungi, stevemar, sigmavirus, tonyb | 15:00 |
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| sigmavirus | Thank you dhellmann | 15:00 |
| sigmavirus | o/ | 15:00 |
| dhellmann | #info this is week R-6 | 15:01 |
| dhellmann | #link agenda https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ocata-relmgt-tracking | 15:01 |
| dims | dhellmann : bit side-tracked, but am here | 15:01 |
| dhellmann | dims : ack | 15:01 |
| dhellmann | #topic Added HIGH TODO to Ocata plan for coming up with Pike schedule | 15:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Added HIGH TODO to Ocata plan for coming up with Pike schedule (Meeting topic: releaseteam)" | 15:01 | |
| ttx | yeah, so I added that as a thing we need to complete this cycle | 15:01 |
| dhellmann | ttx: did you want folks to review that list? | 15:01 |
| ttx | Well, currently we are still missing info | 15:02 |
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| ttx | but I hope to know more about PTG2 date by next week | 15:02 |
| * stevemar lurks | 15:02 | |
| dhellmann | k | 15:02 |
| ttx | so it's mostly a placeholder to remind myself that needs to be done | 15:02 |
| dhellmann | oh, I misread that, I thought it was related to the next item | 15:02 |
| ttx | not really related but as we prune the ocata plan we'll likely keep that one in (hence the HIGH) | 15:03 |
| dhellmann | sounds good | 15:03 |
| dhellmann | #topic Review Ocata plan | 15:03 |
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| dhellmann | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/pike-relmgt-plan | 15:03 |
| ttx | Right so I created ^ | 15:03 |
| ttx | I moved things that are obvious defers to it | 15:03 |
| dhellmann | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ocata-relmgt-plan | 15:03 |
| ttx | we should review ^ and see what we can move and what should stay | 15:04 |
| ttx | basically what we still plan to accomplish over the coming month | 15:04 |
| dhellmann | #action everyone review remaining ocata items and plan deferrals | 15:04 |
| ttx | Personally I would keep it to the strict minimum | 15:04 |
| ttx | Please add POSTPONE TO PIKE or such and I'll move them | 15:04 |
| dhellmann | sounds good | 15:05 |
| ttx | We don't necessarily need to do it in-meeting | 15:05 |
| ttx | Maybe add "HIGH" to the TODOs that should be completed before end of cycle | 15:05 |
| dhellmann | no, let's do that on our own time | 15:05 |
| ttx | that should give us a base of things for Pike and then we can add to it | 15:05 |
| dhellmann | yep | 15:06 |
| ttx | which in turn gives us a list of things to discuss at pTG | 15:06 |
| dhellmann | ++ | 15:06 |
| dhellmann | I expect most of the remaining reno work can be deferred easily | 15:06 |
| dhellmann | ready to move on? | 15:07 |
| ttx | yes | 15:07 |
| dhellmann | #topic neutron-vpnaas release question | 15:07 |
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| dhellmann | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-infra/2017-January/005041.html | 15:07 |
| dhellmann | I gather this is an issue because the project is no longer part of an official team? | 15:07 |
| ttx | just wanted to make sure it wouldn't fall through cracks. Since them realized it got cross-posted to dev so probably difficult to miss | 15:07 |
| ttx | Since then* | 15:07 |
| ttx | dhellmann: it's more than the timing is short for them to learn how dto do it | 15:08 |
| dhellmann | right, I was going to offer to tag for them outside of the releases repo | 15:08 |
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| ttx | yeah, given it's a bit of corner case I think we could help | 15:08 |
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| dhellmann | and encourage them to work with the release team to learn how to do it for pike | 15:08 |
| dhellmann | ok, I'll reply to the -dev ML thread | 15:09 |
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| dhellmann | #action dhellmann offer to help vpnaas team with their release work | 15:09 |
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| dhellmann | #topic open discussion | 15:09 |
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| ttx | Not much PTL candidates to take over | 15:09 |
| dhellmann | yeah, I need to send that email announcement to make it formal | 15:10 |
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| dims | many many thanks for this term as PTL dhellmann ! | 15:10 |
| ttx | we've been alone in this meeting for the few last times, too | 15:10 |
| fungi | alone how? | 15:10 |
| ttx | tonyb has a full plate, dims has been locked in a container | 15:10 |
| ttx | fungi has a full plate too | 15:10 |
| dims | haha | 15:10 |
| fungi | heh, locked in a container | 15:10 |
| dims | python3 container? :) | 15:11 |
| fungi | #link https://sks-keyservers.net/pks/lookup?op=vindex&search=0xc96bfb160752606daa0de2fa05eb5792c876df9a&fingerprint=on Pike Cycle artifact signing key | 15:11 |
| dhellmann | yes, we should work on recruiting some more participants next cycle; I didn't prioritize that this time around. | 15:11 |
| ttx | I'm fine running next cycle, but yes wouldn't mind finding new blood to take over | 15:11 |
| dims | Big +1 dhellmann | 15:11 |
| fungi | that's available now, i'll give the infra-root admins a heads up to start attesting next week | 15:11 |
| dhellmann | fungi : nice | 15:11 |
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| fungi | i noticed one tricky issue with generating it this soon... since we haven't decided on a pike release date yet, i had to add a lot more fudge factor to the expiration, so set it for one year from today just to be safe | 15:12 |
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| ttx | dhellmann: arguably the work you've done over the last cycles make on-boarding a lot easier | 15:12 |
| dhellmann | fungi : yeah, we're getting down to the wire here with schedule planning | 15:13 |
| dhellmann | ttx: I hope so. | 15:13 |
| ttx | fungi: "alone" = the same overworked usual suspects | 15:13 |
| fungi | ahh, right. that ;) | 15:13 |
| ttx | no new faces | 15:13 |
| dhellmann | ttx: we should also consider whether it makes sense to "encourage" teams to move from -with-milestones to -with-intermediary | 15:13 |
| fungi | we're all alone together in our busy | 15:13 |
| dhellmann | fungi : I would wear that t-shirt. | 15:14 |
| ttx | dhellmann: ideally the pipeline to release management would be through -stable-maint | 15:14 |
| dhellmann | ttx: how active is that team this cycle? I haven't been keeping an eye on it. | 15:14 |
| ttx | but that pipeline is not getting stronger | 15:14 |
| ttx | all I know is Tony is the only one doing stable release reviews :) | 15:15 |
| ttx | (lately) | 15:15 |
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| dhellmann | my thoughts on the cycle model is if we move more to intermediary, we have fewer periods where we have a lot of coordination to do, and the liaisons can do more of the work throughout the cycle | 15:15 |
| ttx | Not the best cycle/time for recruitment anyway | 15:15 |
| fungi | there are a few teams with some overlap: stable-maint, requirements, vmt (not really an official team), infra... but i agree stable-maint is the closest process-wise | 15:15 |
| dhellmann | oh, sheesh, that's untenable | 15:15 |
| ttx | dhellmann: yes, I added it as a pike topic | 15:16 |
| ttx | "Stable releases: Stable team review bottleneck / bus factor" | 15:16 |
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| fungi | granted, stable branch management was all but a ghost town after mriedem ended up busy with new stuff, and then he stepped up to stop the bleeding | 15:17 |
| dims | definitely need actively recruit for stable and releases like we did for requirements | 15:17 |
| fungi | and was a ghost town before mriedem offered to try to keep it from falling completely apart, for that matter | 15:17 |
| mriedem | ghosts on friday the 13th?! | 15:17 |
| ttx | appropriate | 15:17 |
| dhellmann | we either need to recruit, or figure out how to distribute that work across the project teams | 15:18 |
| dims | right dhellmann | 15:18 |
| dhellmann | probably some of each | 15:18 |
| mriedem | fwiw lyarwood has stepped up on the nova side, but i think that's because red hat got serious about putting a person on it | 15:18 |
| ttx | We could also tap more azctively in the release liaison pipeline | 15:18 |
| dhellmann | ttx: ++ | 15:18 |
| ttx | So I think the right path is: | 15:18 |
| ttx | PTL delegates release liaison work | 15:18 |
| fungi | the old tack of getting distro package maintainers to collaborate on stable branch maintenance was a definite bust. they're positioned as consumers of those branches (sometimes) but really most of the people relying on stable branches are not inclined to maintain them | 15:19 |
| ttx | release liaison gets involved more in release mgt / stable maint | 15:19 |
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| ttx | then we close the trap and proposes they become PTL. | 15:19 |
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| dhellmann | ttx: now the secret plan is out of the bag! | 15:19 |
| ttx | so step 0 would be to encourage PTLs to delegate release liaisoning more | 15:19 |
| ttx | is this channel logged ? Oh wait | 15:19 |
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| ttx | We should have done a Hangout | 15:20 |
| dhellmann | heh | 15:20 |
| fungi | i thought glitter was teh new hangouts | 15:20 |
| * ttx looks up new hot | 15:20 | |
| dhellmann | ttx: maybe you can start a ML thread before the PTG to encourage liaisons to come hang out with us for a while on one of the meeting days? | 15:20 |
| ttx | "Glitter describes an assortment of small, flat, reflective particles" | 15:21 |
| ttx | dhellmann: +1 | 15:21 |
| sigmavirus | lol ttx | 15:21 |
| sigmavirus | dhellmann: I would if I were going to the PTG | 15:21 |
| ttx | release liaisons should definitely hang out with us. Especially as our room will also feature stable and requirements | 15:21 |
| fungi | oh, i guess it's "gitter" not "glitter"? | 15:21 |
| sigmavirus | fungi: oh no, not gitter.im | 15:21 |
| sigmavirus | please no | 15:21 |
| dhellmann | sigmavirus : aw, you won't be there? :-/ | 15:21 |
| ttx | fungi: not on first page of search, means not hot | 15:22 |
| sigmavirus | Never have I ever had a good experience on Gitter | 15:22 |
| sigmavirus | dhellmann: Rackspace is refusing to solidfy travel plans and I have too many other things going on to be able to drop stuff at the last minute for the PTG | 15:22 |
| mriedem | so i came in late but is the issue lack of stable branch release request review? | 15:22 |
| ttx | Oh, gitter, THAT thing | 15:22 |
| sigmavirus | And I have to pay for a wedding this year, so paying to send myself won't exactly work | 15:22 |
| ttx | mriedem: not really an ISSUE, but we scaled most of the rest of the process | 15:22 |
| fungi | mriedem: or at least lack of review of those by more than just tonyb | 15:22 |
| dhellmann | sigmavirus : there's the travel support program, but I totally understand | 15:23 |
| sigmavirus | Also don't want to rely on FinAid given my social status | 15:23 |
| sigmavirus | dhellmann: I'll be there in spirit :) | 15:23 |
| dhellmann | mriedem : we're also considering the general case that ttx, dims, fungi, tonyb, and I don't necessarily want to keep doing this work indefinitely. | 15:23 |
| mriedem | ttx: fungi: ok, i guess as nova ptl and stable guy i propose my own stable nova release requests | 15:23 |
| fungi | travel support is still open for applications through the 17th, yes | 15:23 |
| sigmavirus | Presuming I'm still allocated to OpenStack work come Pike, I suspect rosmaita will want me to continue as Glance CPL | 15:23 |
| mriedem | i figured the stable teams in other projects were coordinating their own releases on stable and reviewing those requests | 15:24 |
| sigmavirus | mriedem: Glance isn't mostly because I seem to be the last of the active stable maint cores | 15:24 |
| * ttx need to run to another overlapping meeting | 15:24 | |
| sigmavirus | And also release CPL | 15:24 |
| dhellmann | mriedem : ideally someone from the stable team approves stable releases, but right now that's only tonyb | 15:25 |
| sigmavirus | (And our newton gate is a bit borked) | 15:25 |
| dhellmann | ttx: thanks, have a good weekend | 15:25 |
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| ttx | I'll multiplex | 15:25 |
| ttx | Gitter: "where communities of less than 25 people thrive" | 15:25 |
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| mriedem | dhellmann: yeah ideally i agree. i can review stable release requests from other teams too, but i don't actively hunt for them, i need a ping, | 15:26 |
| mriedem | because of other priorities | 15:26 |
| fungi | (and people who don't mind developing free software while relying on proprietary communication platforms to do so) | 15:26 |
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| ttx | ok that was unfair, the limitation is on private rooms only | 15:26 |
| mriedem | but i don't want to make the release team ping me for this all the time either | 15:27 |
| dhellmann | mriedem : I count you in the "already doing enough" group :-) | 15:27 |
| mriedem | ironically, the stability of the stable branch CI due to upper-constraints has probably killed the stable maint team as a unit :) | 15:27 |
| fungi | i think the idea is that the stable branch team needs at least a handful of people distributing the release request load | 15:27 |
| dhellmann | fungi : maybe we can use the liaisons and have them review each other's requests, as mriedem suggested | 15:28 |
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| mriedem | fungi: maybe that's something the stable maint team could agree to rotate on a weekly basis or something | 15:28 |
| fungi | yep, i agree that seems like a good way to crowdsource it | 15:28 |
| fungi | or a rotation could work too, sure | 15:28 |
| dhellmann | mriedem : that's a good idea, too, that's how the release team works (daily, but similar) | 15:29 |
| mriedem | having said that, | 15:29 |
| mriedem | i can't remember the last time i was in a stable team meeting | 15:29 |
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| mriedem | on a side note, | 15:30 |
| mriedem | we were asked to ask a questoin for the user survey, | 15:30 |
| mriedem | i assume tonyb was asked to ask one for stable, | 15:30 |
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| mriedem | but if i were asked, i'd ask the user survey how many people are actually getting patches from upstream stable branches anymore | 15:30 |
| mriedem | i think red hat does their own thing, i don't know about suse | 15:30 |
| fungi | mriedem: 2016-10-10 was the last time you show up in a stable meeting log ;) | 15:31 |
| mriedem | anyway, it's a question that always comes up | 15:31 |
| fungi | at least with your normal nick | 15:31 |
| dhellmann | iiuc, red hat does rely on the upstream branches but we carry patches that haven't landed yet | 15:31 |
| mriedem | fungi: well, i'd show up on days that we didn't have one too :) | 15:31 |
| mriedem | sigmavirus can vouch for me | 15:31 |
| fungi | indeed | 15:31 |
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| sigmavirus | mriedem: I do too :) | 15:32 |
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| dhellmann | it seems like we've covered everything, so I propose we close the meeting and let folks have the ~25 minutes back | 15:33 |
| fungi | wfm | 15:33 |
| dhellmann | thanks, everyone! | 15:33 |
| dhellmann | #endmeeting | 15:33 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Fri Jan 13 15:33:55 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:33 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/releaseteam/2017/releaseteam.2017-01-13-15.00.html | 15:33 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/releaseteam/2017/releaseteam.2017-01-13-15.00.txt | 15:33 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/releaseteam/2017/releaseteam.2017-01-13-15.00.log.html | 15:34 |
| dims | i feel old... keeping up with young ones is hard :) ("gitter") | 15:36 |
| dims | sigmavirus : yay! congrats | 15:36 |
| sigmavirus | dmellado: huh? | 15:36 |
| sigmavirus | * dims | 15:37 |
| * fungi assumes it was in reference to the comment about paying for a wedding | 15:37 | |
| sigmavirus | Oh right | 15:37 |
| sigmavirus | Thanks! | 15:37 |
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