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| sridhar_ram | #startmeeting tacker | 05:30 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jan 4 05:30:47 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sridhar_ram. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 05:30 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 05:30 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: tacker)" | 05:30 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tacker' | 05:30 |
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| gongysh | hi | 05:30 |
| KanagarajM | hi | 05:30 |
| sridhar_ram | #topic Roll Call | 05:30 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Roll Call (Meeting topic: tacker)" | 05:30 | |
| gongysh | me here | 05:31 |
| janki | o/ | 05:31 |
| sridhar_ram | gongysh: KanagarajM: janki: hi there! | 05:31 |
| tung_doan | hi all | 05:31 |
| janki | Hi sridhar_ram, all | 05:31 |
| gongysh | hi | 05:31 |
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| KanagarajM | hi | 05:31 |
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| sridhar_ram | Happy new year team! | 05:32 |
| tbh | hi | 05:32 |
| sridhar_ram | let's start .. | 05:32 |
| sridhar_ram | #chair gongysh tbh KanagarajM | 05:32 |
| openstack | Current chairs: KanagarajM gongysh sridhar_ram tbh | 05:32 |
| sridhar_ram | #topic Agenda | 05:32 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Agenda (Meeting topic: tacker)" | 05:32 | |
| sridhar_ram | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Tacker#Meeting_Jan_4th.2C_2016 | 05:32 |
| sridhar_ram | #topic Announcements | 05:33 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: tacker)" | 05:33 | |
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| sridhar_ram | nothing specific from my side, except the usual reminder of Ocata deadline coming up fast | 05:34 |
| sridhar_ram | #topic Ocata Blueprint Status | 05:34 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Ocata Blueprint Status (Meeting topic: tacker)" | 05:34 | |
| sridhar_ram | #topic NSD spec | 05:34 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "NSD spec (Meeting topic: tacker)" | 05:34 | |
| sridhar_ram | tbh: dkushawa: can you please provide an update ? | 05:34 |
| * sridhar_ram realizes the topic should be NSD implementation status | 05:35 | |
| tbh | sridhar_ram, pushed most of the functionality, the remaining items in the todo list are UTs/FTs | 05:35 |
| gongysh | tbh, do we have a guide for testing? | 05:36 |
| sridhar_ram | tbh: that's wonderful ! | 05:36 |
| tbh | I just recorded a quick video of nsd https://www.dropbox.com/s/isu0fs1ebutg9gh/nsd.mp4?dl=0(not sure that is correct format to share) | 05:36 |
| tbh | gongysh, ^^ | 05:36 |
| gongysh | tbh, cool, we should have a rst in our doc dir, I think. | 05:37 |
| tbh | gongysh, yes | 05:37 |
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| sridhar_ram | gongysh: agree... | 05:38 |
| sridhar_ram | let's take 3 mins to quickly look at tbh's video | 05:39 |
| gongysh | tbh, the video is cool | 05:42 |
| sridhar_ram | folks - please share your comments | 05:42 |
| tbh | some optimizations are needed as it involves building dict and yaml. so I think it will be covered mostly in reviews :) | 05:42 |
| sridhar_ram | tbh: the demo is cool | 05:42 |
| sridhar_ram | tbh: do we need those import line (for VNF1 and VNF2) in nsd.yaml ? | 05:43 |
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| tbh | sridhar_ram, gongysh thanks | 05:43 |
| tbh | sridhar_ram, yes as per TOSCA nfv profile syntax | 05:43 |
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| KanagarajM | tbh, nice demo ! | 05:44 |
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| sridhar_ram | tbh: sounds good, glad we made VNFD name unique | 05:44 |
| janki | tbh: good one | 05:44 |
| KanagarajM | sridhar_ram, tbh , i think import part is not required for tacker defintions | 05:44 |
| tbh | sridhar_ram, absolutely, that helped a lot in this patch | 05:44 |
| sridhar_ram | tbh: all this using mistral behind the scenes ? | 05:45 |
| KanagarajM | as its already taken care in tacker while invoking the HT | 05:45 |
| tbh | sridhar_ram, yes, mistral occupied most of the time | 05:45 |
| tbh | KanagarajM, we aren't invoking HT directly from nsd perspective | 05:46 |
| tbh | nsd -> mistral -> tacker -> VNF | 05:46 |
| gongysh | tbh, I need a guide to test, do we have one somewhere? | 05:46 |
| KanagarajM | tbh, oh ! yes. I remember | 05:46 |
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| s3wong | sorry, late | 05:47 |
| tbh | gongysh, I will push the rst by EOD | 05:47 |
| gongysh | tbh, thanks, looking forward to it. | 05:47 |
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| KanagarajM | sridhar_ram, tbh, so now, we could make NDS and VNFD all follow the same process in terms of importing the tacker definitions. is it ok ? | 05:47 |
| sridhar_ram | KanagarajM: i think you've this HT bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat-translator/+bug/1652928 in mind | 05:48 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1652928 in Heat Translator "Fails to translate the derived polices" [High,New] - Assigned to Sahdev Zala (spzala) | 05:48 |
| KanagarajM | sridhar_ram, yes :) | 05:48 |
| sridhar_ram | tbh: while we don't use HT, we still use tosca-parser for NSD and tosca imports still play a role there. correct ? | 05:48 |
| sridhar_ram | s3wong: hi there | 05:49 |
| tbh | sridhar_ram, right | 05:49 |
| tbh | KanagarajM, I didn't get you | 05:49 |
| sridhar_ram | KanagarajM: now, i don't understand how can we get to follow the same process .. they already follow the same pattern | 05:50 |
| sridhar_ram | KanagarajM: we remove tacker custom types from the ToscaTemplate and pass a "sanitized" tree to HT | 05:50 |
| KanagarajM | sridhar_ram, in case of VNFD, tacker takes the resposibility of importing the tacker defined tosca defitions, while for NSD user should include in TOSCA | 05:50 |
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| dkushwaha | o/ | 05:51 |
| dkushwaha | sorry I am late | 05:51 |
| sridhar_ram | KanagarajM: that where i was kind of questioning tbh .. why we need an import. But now I understand it make sense to have them | 05:51 |
| KanagarajM | sridhar_ram, you mean, will include imports in TOSCA before passign to HT | 05:52 |
| sridhar_ram | KanagarajM: without those import the "VNF1" type few lines further down won't parse | 05:52 |
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| tbh | sridhar_ram, you are right | 05:52 |
| Yan | o/ | 05:53 |
| tbh | sridhar_ram, and these VNF1 has to be defined in VNFD1.yaml | 05:53 |
| sridhar_ram | KanagarajM: for VNFD the imports are custom variations on top of TOSCA_nfv_definitions in tosca-parser, so those custom types needs to be stripped before sending to HT. HT won't know an tacker custom types | 05:53 |
| KanagarajM | sridhar_ram, tbh, for VNFD, HT passes the parsing without explicitily menting the import statements in VNFD | 05:53 |
| sridhar_ram | tbh: hmm.. you mean there should be a VNFD1 in the tacker vnfd catalog? | 05:54 |
| tbh | sridhar_ram, KanagarajM like this http://paste.openstack.org/show/593839/ | 05:54 |
| tbh | sridhar_ram, yes | 05:54 |
| sridhar_ram | tbh: so, it is not really a "file" per se ? | 05:55 |
| sridhar_ram | tbh: we can take the rest in the code review | 05:55 |
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| sridhar_ram | overall .. happy w/ the progress you and dkushwaha has made! | 05:55 |
| sridhar_ram | good job | 05:55 |
| KanagarajM | i think we should not bother user to include the tacker defined types in VNFD or NSD, because tacker should take care of it | 05:55 |
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| tbh | sridhar_ram, we thought of having VNFD name in NSD instead of VNFD path | 05:55 |
| KanagarajM | sridhar_ram, ^^ Tacker takes the control on the TOSCA definitions supported by it | 05:56 |
| KanagarajM | tbh, s3wong , sridhar_ram but does HT expecting to have import in place, | 05:57 |
| gongysh | KanagarajM, I think we should provide users to extend the TOSCA definition in the future. | 05:57 |
| tbh | KanagarajM, HT when invokes TP, it expects imports | 05:57 |
| sridhar_ram | KanagarajM: we can consider automating all the VNF type "references" to automatically lookup in the tacker catalog .. that is more a convenience (reducing few lines in NSD) than anything else | 05:57 |
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| KanagarajM | gongysh, not sure ! | 05:59 |
| sridhar_ram | KanagarajM: anyways, leave that comment in the gerrit .. we can let tbh and dkushwaha evaluation it | 05:59 |
| KanagarajM | sridhar_ram, yes +1 | 05:59 |
| sridhar_ram | to me it is not a deal breaker | 05:59 |
| KanagarajM | sridhar_ram, yes, i would like tbh, s3wong would take a look on that defect | 05:59 |
| sridhar_ram | let's get the NS client changes in ASAP | 05:59 |
| s3wong | KanagarajM: sure | 06:00 |
| KanagarajM | s3wong, thanks | 06:00 |
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| sridhar_ram | anything else on NSD? | 06:00 |
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| sridhar_ram | moving on.. | 06:01 |
| tbh | had few issues in horizon part | 06:01 |
| tbh | but keeping it in the last part for now | 06:02 |
| sridhar_ram | there was an issue on VNFD catalog page which gongysh just pushed a patch (thanks gongysh!) | 06:02 |
| sridhar_ram | tbh: sure, make sense.. | 06:02 |
| sridhar_ram | KanagarajM: since we are in the topic, do you want to discuss https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat-translator/+bug/1652928 here ? | 06:03 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1652928 in Heat Translator "Fails to translate the derived polices" [High,New] - Assigned to Sahdev Zala (spzala) | 06:03 |
| gongysh | sridhar_ram, it bothered me a few days. | 06:03 |
| sridhar_ram | gongysh: i finally hit the same problem today after a restack | 06:03 |
| KanagarajM | sridhar_ram, yes | 06:04 |
| sridhar_ram | #topic HT failure due to tacker imports | 06:04 |
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| sridhar_ram | my understanding is there is a new release of HT (and TP?) pending release any moment and that is failing tacker sanity tests ? | 06:05 |
| KanagarajM | s3wong, we are waiting for this bug to get dfixed sooner for scaling seletive vdu | 06:05 |
| KanagarajM | selective vdu scaling * | 06:05 |
| KanagarajM | s3wong, sahdev is looking into already. and kindly help further on it | 06:05 |
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| sridhar_ram | KanagarajM: from the bug notes, this sounds like a HT regression. | 06:06 |
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| s3wong | KanagarajM, sridhar_ram: seems like bobh's area --- looking at his comment on the bug now | 06:06 |
| sridhar_ram | s3wong: agree | 06:06 |
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| diga | o/ | 06:07 |
| diga | sorry got late | 06:07 |
| sridhar_ram | bobh: are you here? | 06:07 |
| KanagarajM | s3wong, sure. | 06:07 |
| sridhar_ram | diga: hi ! | 06:07 |
| KanagarajM | sridhar_ram, yes | 06:07 |
| sridhar_ram | KanagarajM: okay, spzala is probably not online now | 06:07 |
| s3wong | sridhar_ram: probably a little late for bobh | 06:07 |
| KanagarajM | sridhar_ram, seems ! | 06:08 |
| sridhar_ram | KanagarajM: what is the specific error you get? unknown node type? | 06:08 |
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| KanagarajM | sridhar_ram, no. It is not returning the scaling yaml (provider template to be generated by HT as part policy->targets) | 06:09 |
| gongysh | tung_doan, do you run into this bug? | 06:10 |
| KanagarajM | to produced the bug, you need to use the master copy of the HT | 06:10 |
| sridhar_ram | KanagarajM: Hmm... HT should honor any derived types and parse properly | 06:10 |
| KanagarajM | sridhar_ram, +1 | 06:11 |
| sridhar_ram | KanagarajM: it will be good if we can narrow down to a specific HT patchset that broke this | 06:11 |
| s3wong | KanagarajM: in that case, seems like there has been changes on master HT which caused this prpblem | 06:12 |
| s3wong | problem | 06:12 |
| sridhar_ram | KanagarajM: obviously something post HT 0.7.0 release.. anyways spzala is looking into this | 06:12 |
| sridhar_ram | let's give him sometime | 06:12 |
| KanagarajM | sridhar_ram, its a new feature added in HT, but it broken the back-ward comaptibility | 06:12 |
| sridhar_ram | i'll follow up him tomorrow US time | 06:13 |
| KanagarajM | sridhar_ram, sure. thanks | 06:13 |
| sridhar_ram | KanagarajM: yeah, seems like | 06:13 |
| s3wong | KanagarajM: so the breakage is between heat-translator and latest HT? | 06:13 |
| sridhar_ram | like i mentioned, any incomp issue w/ tosca-parser or HT is a pain, need to be on the top of it | 06:13 |
| sridhar_ram | s3wong: yes | 06:14 |
| tung_doan | gongysh: no.. seems like it's the new bug | 06:14 |
| KanagarajM | s3wong, yes i guess so, as tacker didn't face the issue in neuton | 06:14 |
| sridhar_ram | alright, let's circle back after the resp from spzala | 06:15 |
| sridhar_ram | moving on.. | 06:15 |
| sridhar_ram | #topic Ocata Client Release | 06:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Ocata Client Release (Meeting topic: tacker)" | 06:15 | |
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| sridhar_ram | In preparation for Ocata Final Client release on Jan 23rd (see https://releases.openstack.org/ocata/schedule.html) | 06:16 |
| sridhar_ram | .. we need to get all client changes in ASAP | 06:16 |
| sridhar_ram | cores: please prioritize the tackerclient patchsets in your review queue | 06:17 |
| sridhar_ram | once NSD client merges i plan to release an "interim" tackerclient | 06:18 |
| gongysh | sridhar_ram, got it | 06:18 |
| sridhar_ram | this will help to pass dsvm gate tests for the NSD server sider patchset | 06:18 |
| sridhar_ram | gongysh: thanks! | 06:18 |
| sridhar_ram | apart from NSD and VNFFGD param support, are there any other feature pending tackerclient changes for Ocata ? | 06:19 |
| janki | sridhar_ram, inline template? | 06:19 |
| janki | I have pushed the client patch | 06:19 |
| sridhar_ram | janki: yes, thanks for reminding.. | 06:20 |
| sridhar_ram | janki: do you've a link? | 06:20 |
| janki | sridhar_ram, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/414602/ - client patch | 06:20 |
| sridhar_ram | janki: thanks | 06:20 |
| janki | I have 1 query sort of too for this feature, sridhar_ram | 06:21 |
| sridhar_ram | fyi, here is the NSD client patchset .. https://review.openstack.org/412188 | 06:21 |
| KanagarajM | sridhar_ram, i just +2 | 06:21 |
| KanagarajM | sridhar_ram, waiting for main feature to land | 06:21 |
| sridhar_ram | KanagarajM: thanks! | 06:21 |
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| sridhar_ram | janki: let's move to open discussions | 06:22 |
| sridhar_ram | anything else on tackerclient ? | 06:22 |
| gongysh | KanagarajM, why wait for main feature to land. I think main feature is waiting for it. | 06:22 |
| sridhar_ram | gongysh: +1 | 06:22 |
| KanagarajM | gongysh, i mean NSD feature support in Tacker | 06:23 |
| KanagarajM | sridhar_ram, gongysh am i missing something :( | 06:23 |
| gongysh | KanagarajM, Kind of. the codes in client and server sometimes depend on each other. | 06:23 |
| s3wong | KanagarajM: yeah, I thought we are releasing client first --- so assuming NSD landing in Ocata is going to happen, we can merge the client changes now... | 06:24 |
| tbh | KanagarajM, to pass dsvm gate tests for NSD patches in Tacker we need client patch to be merged | 06:24 |
| gongysh | KanagarajM, server code needs it to have functional tests. | 06:24 |
| sridhar_ram | KanagarajM: typically client changes goes in first w/o server, we make a client release and server will use to pass dsvm gate | 06:24 |
| KanagarajM | yeah, only functional test will be pending i agree | 06:24 |
| sridhar_ram | KanagarajM: exactly1 | 06:24 |
| gongysh | KanagarajM, yes. | 06:24 |
| sridhar_ram | #topic Open Discussion | 06:25 |
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| sridhar_ram | janki: what is your question ? | 06:25 |
| gongysh | sridhar_ram, KanagarajM , I think we can let client merge. | 06:25 |
| sridhar_ram | diga: thanks for taking fwd the api-framework using falcon! | 06:25 |
| sridhar_ram | gongysh: agree | 06:25 |
| janki | sridhar_ram, I am thinking in inline template, while deleting vnf the corresponding vnfd should also be deleted | 06:25 |
| diga | sridhar_ram: yep | 06:25 |
| KanagarajM | gongysh, sridhar_ram i think if we +A, gerrit does not allow as there is a depends-on tag in commit message | 06:25 |
| janki | this point is mentioned in the spec | 06:25 |
| sridhar_ram | janki: make sense to me | 06:26 |
| diga | sridhar_ram: can we go ahead & create feature/branch for falcon-api-framework | 06:26 |
| * sridhar_ram notes 4 mins left | 06:26 | |
| KanagarajM | sridhar_ram, gongysh so we need to remove depends-on tag from commit message ! | 06:26 |
| gongysh | KanagarajM, yes. | 06:26 |
| diga | sridhar_ram: I will address your comments by today EOD after discussion with monasca team | 06:26 |
| janki | sridhar_ram, should I code it even without being mentioned in spec? | 06:26 |
| sridhar_ram | diga: let's take up api-framework discussion next week | 06:26 |
| diga | sridhar_ram: okay | 06:26 |
| tbh | KanagarajM, I will update the commit message | 06:27 |
| janki | sridhar_ram, and also to delete vnfd if vnf is in error state. not sure how valid this would be | 06:27 |
| gongysh | sridhar_ram, what happened to odl sfc? | 06:27 |
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| KanagarajM | tbh, sure. thanks. | 06:27 |
| sridhar_ram | janki: it is fine unless it is against what is mentioned in the spec.. | 06:28 |
| janki | sridhar_ram, it is not against the spec. infact the point is not mentioned. so will add it | 06:29 |
| tbh | updated the commit message for client patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/412188/ | 06:29 |
| sridhar_ram | gongysh: that is a bigger topic, another time | 06:29 |
| janki | sridhar_ram, how about deleting vnfd if vnf is in error state? | 06:29 |
| sridhar_ram | janki: let's take it offline | 06:29 |
| sridhar_ram | times up folks | 06:29 |
| sridhar_ram | thanks for joining | 06:29 |
| s3wong | bye | 06:30 |
| Yan | bye | 06:30 |
| sridhar_ram | #endmeeting | 06:30 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jan 4 06:30:07 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 06:30 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2017/tacker.2017-01-04-05.30.html | 06:30 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2017/tacker.2017-01-04-05.30.txt | 06:30 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2017/tacker.2017-01-04-05.30.log.html | 06:30 |
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| joehuang | hello | 13:01 |
| joehuang | #startmeeting tricircle | 13:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jan 4 13:01:32 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is joehuang. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: tricircle)" | 13:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tricircle' | 13:01 |
| yinxiulin | hello | 13:01 |
| joehuang | #topic rollcall | 13:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "rollcall (Meeting topic: tricircle)" | 13:01 | |
| joehuang | #info joehuang | 13:02 |
| zhiyuan | #info zhiyuan | 13:02 |
| Yipei | #info Yipei | 13:02 |
| dongfeng | #info dongfeng | 13:02 |
| yinxiulin | #info xiulin | 13:02 |
| WuCheng | #WuCheng | 13:02 |
| WuCheng | #info WuCheng | 13:02 |
| JunSik | #info JunSik | 13:03 |
| joehuang | #topic shadow_agent for VxLAN L2 networking/L3 DVR issue | 13:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "shadow_agent for VxLAN L2 networking/L3 DVR issue (Meeting topic: tricircle)" | 13:03 | |
| joehuang | hello, zhiyuan, how about the PoC progress of shadow agent | 13:04 |
| joehuang | any challenges found? | 13:04 |
| zhiyuan | i have finished the PoC test and yes, the shadow agent/port solution works. some works left before the submission, i need to add a new type driver for shared_vxlan, and also handle resource clearing | 13:05 |
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| joehuang | so you can prepare a spec for review | 13:06 |
| RongHui11 | hello | 13:06 |
| joehuang | hello, ronghui | 13:06 |
| RongHui11 | sorry for late | 13:06 |
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| joehuang | it's fine :) | 13:06 |
| zhiyuan | after creating VMs in two pods in the same network, the vxlan tunnels are creating in both pods and thus the two VMs are connected | 13:06 |
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| zhiyuan | yes, will start to write the spec | 13:07 |
| joehuang | awsome! | 13:07 |
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| joehuang | looking forward for the spec | 13:07 |
| zhiyuan | :) | 13:08 |
| joehuang | how about L3 bridge network using VxLAN | 13:08 |
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| zhiyuan | oh, this part not tested yet | 13:09 |
| zhiyuan | then i test the vxlan network for l3 first? | 13:10 |
| joehuang | it's the key whether we can get the vtep for external gateway port | 13:10 |
| zhiyuan | we can collect this in central plugin, but need to figure out how to trigger l2 pop | 13:11 |
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| zhiyuan | external gateway port is not VM port | 13:12 |
| joehuang | for L3 networking, although we can use vlan, but the number is limited, so it's better to use vxlan as the bridge network, no matter for which kind of local network | 13:12 |
| joehuang | correct, it's not VM port, the device owner is different | 13:13 |
| zhiyuan | maybe we can also create shadow port and shadow agent for gateway port, need further investigation | 13:13 |
| joehuang | since currently no vxlan external network has been used yet, so maybe some chanllenge | 13:15 |
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| joehuang | #action investigate whether shadow agent/port can help L3 networking on VxLAN bridge network | 13:18 |
| joehuang | good, next topic | 13:18 |
| joehuang | one second | 13:18 |
| joehuang | other question on shadow agent/port? | 13:19 |
| joehuang | #topic db migration version | 13:20 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "db migration version (Meeting topic: tricircle)" | 13:20 | |
| joehuang | hello yipei, how about the db migrate_version | 13:20 |
| Yipei | already finish it and tested in my environment | 13:20 |
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| joehuang | cool | 13:21 |
| Yipei | it works, but still have some small problems in code, i will improve it | 13:21 |
| Yipei | i just imitate the code in kingbird | 13:22 |
| joehuang | #link https://review.openstack.org/416534 | 13:22 |
| Yipei | still need to do some research on code | 13:22 |
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| joehuang | tricircle has no tricircle-engine | 13:23 |
| Yipei | i still do not understand some details in code | 13:23 |
| Yipei | yes | 13:23 |
| Yipei | i also discover the problem | 13:23 |
| Yipei | need to go on improving the code | 13:24 |
| joehuang | you can use configuration file api.conf | 13:24 |
| joehuang | but I don't know why configuration file is needed for db-sync | 13:25 |
| Yipei | configuration file? | 13:27 |
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| joehuang | line 65 default_config_files | 13:28 |
| Yipei | i also do not know why, i will figure out | 13:28 |
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| joehuang | ok, please jump to the source code oslo_config to find out the cfg.CONF initiailization | 13:30 |
| joehuang | any question? | 13:30 |
| Yipei | no | 13:31 |
| joehuang | #open discussion | 13:31 |
| RongHui11 | no | 13:31 |
| joehuang | #topic open discussion | 13:32 |
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| joehuang | how about the qos feature? | 13:33 |
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| joehuang | is xiongqiu online? | 13:34 |
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| Yipei | for lbaas, i tested lbaas with Octavia in tricircle | 13:34 |
| Yipei | i find some problems | 13:35 |
| joehuang | what's found | 13:35 |
| joehuang | what did you find? | 13:36 |
| Yipei | firstly, for the functions of tricircle, the command "neutron --os-region-name=CentralRegion net-create net1" fails | 13:36 |
| Yipei | the error is as follows. Region CentralRegion is not a valid region name for cloud envvars. Valid choices are RegionOne. Please note that region names are case sensitive. | 13:36 |
| zhiyuan | oh, that's an old issue | 13:36 |
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| joehuang | you need to unset the environment variables | 13:37 |
| zhiyuan | just run "unset OS_REGION_NAME" | 13:37 |
| Yipei | neutron --os-region-name=RegionOne net-create net1, it works | 13:37 |
| joehuang | yes | 13:37 |
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| Yipei | it tried | 13:37 |
| Yipei | InternalServerError: Request Failed: internal server error while processing your request. | 13:38 |
| Yipei | File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/neutronclient/v2_0/client.py", line 365, in post | 13:38 |
| joehuang | have you added the pod? and all pods exists | 13:38 |
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| Yipei | yes, all the pods are added | 13:39 |
| joehuang | one region or two region | 13:39 |
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| Yipei | two region | 13:39 |
| zhiyuan | then need to dig into the log file to see why | 13:40 |
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| joehuang | did the second region register to the keystone | 13:40 |
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| longxiongqiu | Hello, joe. Sorry for lating, i am recently writing a paper for a conference in order to graduate, the conference dead time is near. i will give the completed code to jiawei for testing and upload it. | 13:41 |
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| joehuang | to xiongqiu, how about the spec? | 13:41 |
| RongHui11 | i will finish the spec | 13:41 |
| Yipei | to joehuang, yes | 13:42 |
| Yipei | i will check logs to find the error | 13:42 |
| joehuang | so openstack --os-region-name=RegionOne endpoint list works? | 13:42 |
| joehuang | yes, please. | 13:42 |
| joehuang | Other topics? | 13:43 |
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| Yipei | to joehuang, it works | 13:43 |
| Yipei | also | 13:43 |
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| Yipei | if i create a net successfully, will neutron create corresponding ports? | 13:44 |
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| joehuang | no | 13:44 |
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| Yipei | ok, i see | 13:44 |
| joehuang | only if you boot a VM in Nova, or explicitly create a port | 13:44 |
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| Yipei | how about dhcp_port? | 13:45 |
| Yipei | will it also created when booting a VM? | 13:45 |
| zhiyuan | dhcp port is created when you create the subnet | 13:45 |
| joehuang | not network | 13:45 |
| Yipei | no, i create a subnet, but there is no dhcp_port | 13:46 |
| joehuang | and if enable_dhcp is true when creating subnet | 13:46 |
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| zhiyuan | you mean no dhcp port in local neutron? | 13:46 |
| Yipei | yes, at first, i tried to install tricircle and octavia together with devstack | 13:47 |
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| Yipei | octavia will create a subnet, but it fails since there is no dhcp_port | 13:47 |
| Yipei | i tried to install octavia manually | 13:48 |
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| Yipei | after create a subnet, still no dhcp_port | 13:48 |
| joehuang | octavia will send command to regionone, I think. Unless you install ocatavia in central region | 13:48 |
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| joehuang | need to figure out which region ocatavia belongs to, and where the request it issued to | 13:49 |
| Yipei | i see | 13:49 |
| joehuang | by default, only tricircle api/xjob and central neutron server in central region in devstack installation | 13:50 |
| joehuang | so ocatavia by default will be installed in regionone | 13:50 |
| zhiyuan | yes, if lb talks to local neutron, it can create the subnet, but dhcp agent will fail to create the dhcp port because the ip is not allocated in central neutron | 13:51 |
| Yipei | oh, i see | 13:51 |
| joehuang | yes, the local neutron has been configured with tricircle local plugin, the dhcp port behavior is different the default | 13:53 |
| Yipei | so i will check logs and try to create nets and subnets first, then install octavia manually. And go on testing | 13:53 |
| joehuang | ok, to ronghui, look forward to the spec of qos | 13:53 |
| zhiyuan | i think you can just configure LB to talk to central neutron | 13:54 |
| zhiyuan | OR we need LB to talk to local neutron? | 13:54 |
| joehuang | you can register ocatavia in central region, manually register | 13:54 |
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| joehuang | remove the old endpoint which resides in the regionone | 13:54 |
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| joehuang | yes, zhiyuan's proposal may also work | 13:55 |
| joehuang | need to find the neutron url configuration in ocatavia | 13:55 |
| joehuang | and change it, reboot ocatvia service | 13:56 |
| joehuang | but one second | 13:56 |
| joehuang | I am afraid it'll fail | 13:56 |
| joehuang | because ocatavia now will boot LB service via Nova | 13:57 |
| joehuang | I am not sure whether ocatavia can work with different region services, nova/glance in regionone, neutron in centralregion | 13:58 |
| zhiyuan | if LB does need to talk to local neutron, then we need to create the network and subnet in central neutron first | 13:58 |
| joehuang | I suggest Yipei to study that in detail | 13:59 |
| joehuang | time is up | 13:59 |
| Yipei | ok | 13:59 |
| zhiyuan | and pass the subnet ID in central neutron to LB, when LB tries to query the subnet, the subnet will be created in local plugin | 13:59 |
| joehuang | thank you for attending the meeting | 13:59 |
| joehuang | #endmeeting | 13:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jan 4 13:59:57 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2017/tricircle.2017-01-04-13.01.html | 14:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2017/tricircle.2017-01-04-13.01.txt | 14:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2017/tricircle.2017-01-04-13.01.log.html | 14:00 |
| zhiyuan | bye | 14:00 |
| RongHui11 | bye | 14:00 |
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| msimonin | ad_rien shoud come quickly | 15:00 |
| msimonin | should* | 15:00 |
| ad_rien_ | #startmeeting massively_distributed_clouds | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jan 4 15:00:36 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ad_rien_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'massively_distributed_clouds' | 15:00 |
| ad_rien_ | #chair ad_rien_ | 15:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: ad_rien_ | 15:00 |
| msimonin | o/ | 15:00 |
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| serverascode | hi | 15:00 |
| ad_rien_ | agenda | 15:00 |
| ad_rien_ | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/massively_distributed_ircmeetings_2017 line 15 | 15:01 |
| ansmith | o/ | 15:01 |
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| ad_rien_ | Hi folks | 15:01 |
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| ad_rien_ | To start, I wish you all the best for 2017 ;) | 15:01 |
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| msimonin | thanks ad_rien_ :) | 15:02 |
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| denaitre_ | o/ | 15:02 |
| ad_rien_ | #topic previous meeting action items | 15:02 |
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| HeleneCoullon | o/ | 15:03 |
| ad_rien_ | So regarding the last minute I cannot chair it unfortunately but I saw that you made few comments regarding the first slides we proposed | 15:03 |
| ad_rien_ | Hi HeleneCoullon denaitre_ | 15:03 |
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| ad_rien_ | I updated the slides in order to take into account the comments you made | 15:03 |
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| ad_rien_ | ansmith: I saw that you proposed to clarify the AMQP bricks in order to make a distinction between RabbitMQ/QPID/ZeroMq… | 15:04 |
| ad_rien_ | I just copied/pasted the slide and added a comment to ask you to update the figure according to the QPID bricks | 15:05 |
| ansmith | ad_rein_: yes, the conversation was to have oslo.messaging be the service at the block level | 15:05 |
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| ansmith | and then show relationship to backend(s) at next level down | 15:05 |
| ad_rien_ | #link https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1jJFZejZqgYDxu5FX4K8g3I5zQ87afnjYI4VSRSuCQ6U/edit#slide=id.p | 15:05 |
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| ad_rien_ | so if you go on the slides | 15:05 |
| ad_rien_ | and you give a look at slides 2 and 3, you will see the comment. | 15:06 |
| ad_rien_ | May I ask you to update Slide 3 for QPID | 15:06 |
| ad_rien_ | ? | 15:06 |
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| ansmith | I will take the action to update the slide | 15:07 |
| ad_rien_ | ok great | 15:07 |
| ansmith | ad_rien_: are you ok if I introduce oslo.messaging client/server blocks? | 15:08 |
| ad_rien_ | #action update slides for QPid and RabbitMQ | 15:08 |
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| ansmith | and then show relation to rabbit/amqp/zmq backends? | 15:08 |
| ad_rien_ | ansmith: yes please feel free to propose a new slide | 15:08 |
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| ansmith | ad_rien_: perfect | 15:08 |
| ad_rien_ | you folks from redhat are probably the best one to propose such a vision | 15:08 |
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| ad_rien_ | ok | 15:09 |
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| ad_rien_1 | or does anyone wants to add something on the current deployment scenarios we identified | 15:10 |
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| ad_rien_1 | (sorry I'm facing network issues) | 15:10 |
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| ad_rien_1 | so the next topic is to try to identify the pros/cons on the different scenarios | 15:11 |
| ad_rien_1 | Joe Huang added a comment in that direction this morning | 15:11 |
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| ad_rien_1 | #topic Identify pros/cons of the different approaches | 15:11 |
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| ad_rien_1 | So apart from the SPOF (single point of failure) of the current approach, do you see some issues ? | 15:12 |
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| ad_rien_1 | From Inria, we are going to conduct performance experiments to identify network constraints in terms of latency/bandwidth | 15:13 |
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| ad_rien_1 | for example in Scenario 1 (the simplest one) | 15:13 |
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| ad_rien_1 | We would like to identify to what extent it is relevant from the network WAN constraint viewpoint. | 15:13 |
| ad_rien_1 | That is, we would like to see whether the network can be a strong constraint that can prevent such a deployment | 15:14 |
| ad_rien_1 | maybe latency issues, .... | 15:14 |
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| ad_rien_1 | between nova-computes and services that are deployed on site 0 | 15:15 |
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| msimonin | Like trying to find what are the minimum bandwidth and latency requirements to operate compute nodes far from core services ? | 15:15 |
| ad_rien_1 | Exactly msimonin | 15:15 |
| ad_rien_1 | It would be great to identify other experiments we can do to identify weaknesses or confirm advantages | 15:16 |
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| ad_rien_1 | so folks any idea? ansmith? serverascode? | 15:16 |
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| serverascode | nothing from me, just lurking for now :) | 15:17 |
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| msimonin | :) | 15:17 |
| ansmith | ad_rien_1: quick question on scenario 1, is nova-compute to services via L2 or L3? | 15:17 |
| ansmith | e.g. any assumptions about openstack config | 15:17 |
| ad_rien_1 | L3 I would say | 15:17 |
| ad_rien_1 | since you go through the WAN | 15:18 |
| msimonin | I guess we'll first experiment using the same L2 segment and try to figure out how to go through L3 | 15:18 |
| ad_rien_1 | msimonin: can you elaborate please ? | 15:19 |
| msimonin | From the experimentation we'll first go on the same L2 segment with network constraints and then got over L3 in the next iteration | 15:20 |
| msimonin | just suggesting :) | 15:20 |
| ad_rien_1 | ok thanks | 15:20 |
| msimonin | ansmith: is there any known deployment over L3 ? | 15:20 |
| ad_rien_1 | Ok I took some notes on our pad | 15:20 |
| ansmith | ad_rien_l: some stretch site models extend the l2, with l3, there may be more configuration to consider of openstack services | 15:21 |
| ansmith | ad_rien_l: I don't have direct experience there | 15:21 |
| ad_rien_1 | ansmith: I tried to write down this in the pad | 15:22 |
| ad_rien_1 | line 35 | 15:22 |
| msimonin | ansmith: what services do you have in mind ? | 15:22 |
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| ansmith | msimonin: thinking more generally that if there is an "internal mgmt" subnet, that the openstack api and messaging services likely reside on it | 15:23 |
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| ansmith | msimonin: so if WAN is l2, everything should just "work" | 15:24 |
| msimonin | ansmith: sure :) | 15:24 |
| ad_rien_1 | so we have an action that is to identify lack of functionality according to the different scenario | 15:24 |
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| msimonin | I guess here some feedback/experience from telecom network would be beneficial | 15:25 |
| ad_rien_1 | How can we do that ? | 15:25 |
| msimonin | Nobody from orange here ? : ) | 15:25 |
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| ad_rien_1 | I mean we can at Inria take one or two scenarios and try to identify functional limitations (before performing performance experiments) but we need some helps for other scenarios | 15:26 |
| ad_rien_1 | That is the first possibility | 15:26 |
| ad_rien_1 | The second is to try to prioritize the different scenarios and start by focusing on the most important/representative/relevant one ? | 15:26 |
| ad_rien_1 | serverascode: AFAIK, we did not finalize our choice in the telecom WG? | 15:26 |
| ad_rien_1 | did you ? | 15:27 |
| serverascode | in terms of distributed clouds? no don't think we finalized anything | 15:27 |
| ad_rien_1 | #action Identify functional needs/limitations for each scenario | 15:27 |
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| ad_rien_1 | I mean in terms of what can be the minimal NFV deployment | 15:27 |
| ad_rien_1 | ? | 15:27 |
| msimonin | yes | 15:28 |
| ad_rien_1 | By merging our effort we can probably progress faster | 15:28 |
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| serverascode | ah ok, no we haven't finalized anything, just agreed to start working on a document to define it | 15:28 |
| ad_rien_1 | ok | 15:28 |
| serverascode | in terms of a "generic NFV platform based on OpenStack" | 15:28 |
| ad_rien_1 | yepp | 15:28 |
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| ad_rien_1 | We met some folks form create-net during the cloudcom conference in december | 15:29 |
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| ad_rien_1 | the guys investigate the scenario 1 (i.e. slide 0) in a context of edge computing | 15:29 |
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| ad_rien_1 | (i.e. they have a large cloud and few remote compute nodes). | 15:30 |
| ad_rien_1 | For the moment, they only performed paper works | 15:30 |
| ad_rien_1 | and told us that they are interested by following our progress. I hope they will join us. but once again, if we can combine our effort, it would be valuable for all of us | 15:30 |
| ad_rien_1 | for Fog/Edge scenario 1 looks to be the simplest | 15:31 |
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| ad_rien_1 | I do not know whether it makes sense for NFV operators | 15:31 |
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| ad_rien_1 | ok so getting back to my initial question: how can we move forward. Can we sort the different scenarios? | 15:33 |
| ad_rien_1 | and focus on the most important one? | 15:33 |
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| ad_rien_1 | #action prioritize the different scenarios | 15:33 |
| msimonin | if some people are interested in scenario 1 we should start by this one | 15:34 |
| ad_rien_1 | +1 | 15:34 |
| msimonin | => compute far from core services | 15:34 |
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| ad_rien_1 | this will also enable the evaluation of other messaging solutions | 15:35 |
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| ad_rien_1 | so let's focus on this first scenario. Is it ok for everyone? | 15:35 |
| ansmith | +1 | 15:35 |
| ad_rien_1 | #info everyone agrees to start with scenario 1 | 15:36 |
| kgiusti | +1 | 15:36 |
| msimonin | :) | 15:36 |
| ad_rien_1 | so let's move to the next topic | 15:37 |
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| ad_rien_1 | #topic ENOS status | 15:37 |
| msimonin | yeah ! | 15:37 |
| msimonin | so | 15:37 |
| ad_rien_1 | msimonin: can you please briefly introduce what is ENOS and how it can be helpful to investigate the different scenarios ? | 15:37 |
| ad_rien_1 | I give you 3 minutes :) | 15:37 |
| msimonin | thanks :) | 15:38 |
| msimonin | #link https://github.com/beyondtheclouds/enos | 15:38 |
| msimonin | we've build a tool to evaluate openstack in various connfiguration and topology | 15:38 |
| msimonin | there is a white paper somewhere | 15:38 |
| msimonin | let me find the link | 15:38 |
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| msimonin | #link https://hal.inria.fr/hal-01415522v2 | 15:39 |
| msimonin | found it :) | 15:40 |
| msimonin | so we already made some scalability tests | 15:40 |
| msimonin | presented at Barcelona | 15:40 |
| msimonin | and we plan to extend to support multiregion deployment as well as | 15:40 |
| msimonin | network constraints enforcement | 15:40 |
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| msimonin | so basically we'll be able to evaluate the different scenarios | 15:41 |
| msimonin | (hopefully :) ) | 15:41 |
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| msimonin | I think that's all for the overview ad_rien_1 :) | 15:41 |
| ad_rien_1 | thanks | 15:41 |
| ad_rien_1 | Just to complete, Scenario 1 can be evaluated, Scenario 2 is cells (for the moment we do not consider it as the cell v2 refactoring is under heavy development) and finally, Scenarios 3 can be evaluated. | 15:42 |
| ad_rien_1 | is it correct? | 15:42 |
| msimonin | yes | 15:42 |
| ad_rien_1 | thanks | 15:42 |
| ad_rien_1 | so the next step regarding ENOS is to investigate how we can deploy other messaging solutions such as QPiD | 15:43 |
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| ad_rien_1 | ansmith: kgiusti: are there ansible playbooks to deploy QPID ? | 15:43 |
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| ad_rien_1 | (actually ENOS is leveraging kolla and ansible) | 15:43 |
| ansmith | ad_rien_l, msimonin: there is puppet module but ansible shouldnt take too much | 15:44 |
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| msimonin | could you link the puppet module ? | 15:44 |
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| ad_rien_1 | or even better, if you can provide some ansible playbooks if doing the port is not too time consuming ;) ? | 15:45 |
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| ansmith | puppet module reference in etherpad | 15:45 |
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| msimonin | ansmith: ack | 15:45 |
| ansmith | ad_rien_l: will assess ansible effort | 15:46 |
| ad_rien_1 | thanks | 15:46 |
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| ad_rien_1 | #action ansmith will give a look to ansible playbooks for QPID | 15:47 |
| ad_rien_1 | is there any question regarding ENOS? | 15:47 |
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| ad_rien_1 | ok so let's move to the next topic | 15:48 |
| ad_rien_1 | #topic expected capabilities for Massively distributed/Fog/Edge clouds | 15:48 |
| ad_rien_1 | as I mentioned I was not chairing the last meeting | 15:48 |
| msimonin | Last time we started to discuss migration with someone from orange | 15:49 |
| ad_rien_1 | so based on the logs it looks like this point was not sufficiently discussed | 15:49 |
| ad_rien_1 | ok | 15:49 |
| * ad_rien_1 is looking for the logs. | 15:49 | |
| msimonin | but he seems not here today | 15:49 |
| ad_rien_1 | #action do not forget to discuss about migration between remote sites with Orange folks | 15:50 |
| ad_rien_1 | Can eveyone access the pad: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/massively_distributed_ircmeetings_2017 ? | 15:52 |
| ad_rien_1 | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/massively_distributed_ircmeetings_2017 | 15:52 |
| ad_rien_1 | I just copied/pasted few ideas we have at Inria regarding this topic. | 15:52 |
| ad_rien_1 | can you go through the notes and put +1 if you believe it makes sense. | 15:52 |
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| ad_rien_1 | We have 5 minutes before ending the meeting? | 15:54 |
| ad_rien_1 | any comments on the expected capabilities? | 15:54 |
| ad_rien_1 | it seems not so I propose to switch to the last topic. | 15:55 |
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| ad_rien_1 | and we will come back on this point later. | 15:55 |
| ad_rien_1 | #topic Open Discussion | 15:55 |
| ad_rien_1 | So from my side, just two remarks (already written in the pad) | 15:55 |
| ad_rien_1 | 1./ We talked about folks from RedHat that are investigating Fog/Edge computing challenges. | 15:56 |
| ad_rien_1 | ansmith: kgiusti any chance to talk with them during one of our meetings? | 15:56 |
| ad_rien_1 | I think it would be really great to exchange our point of views. | 15:56 |
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| ansmith | ad_rien_l: I reached out to them prior to break and they were very interested, I will follow up | 15:57 |
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| ad_rien_1 | #action ansmith will check whether other folks from redhat can participate to the WG. | 15:57 |
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| ad_rien_1 | thanks ansmith | 15:57 |
| ad_rien_1 | we can discuss my second point later | 15:57 |
| ad_rien_1 | we have just two more minutes. | 15:58 |
| ad_rien_1 | So I prefer to leave the floor to you guys | 15:58 |
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| ad_rien_1 | anything from your side ? | 15:58 |
| serverascode | nohting from me | 15:58 |
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| ad_rien_1 | ok thanks for attending the meetinhg | 15:58 |
| ad_rien_1 | talk to you in two weeks. | 15:59 |
| ad_rien_1 | bye | 15:59 |
| serverascode | thanks! | 15:59 |
| ad_rien_1 | #endmeeting | 15:59 |
| ansmith | thanks | 15:59 |
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| ad_rien_ | #endmeeting | 15:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jan 4 15:59:47 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/massively_distributed_clouds/2017/massively_distributed_clouds.2017-01-04-15.00.html | 15:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/massively_distributed_clouds/2017/massively_distributed_clouds.2017-01-04-15.00.txt | 15:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/massively_distributed_clouds/2017/massively_distributed_clouds.2017-01-04-15.00.log.html | 15:59 |
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| tommylikehu_ | happy new year :) but where is the host | 16:01 |
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| jungleboyj | tommylikehu_: Happy New Year. | 16:02 |
| smcginnis | #startmeeting Cinder | 16:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jan 4 16:02:18 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is smcginnis. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Cinder)" | 16:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cinder' | 16:02 |
| jungleboyj | There is the man! | 16:02 |
| scottda | hi | 16:02 |
| viks | hi all | 16:02 |
| eharney | hi | 16:02 |
| tommylikehu_ | hi all | 16:02 |
| smcginnis | Sorry, I need a door on my cubicle. :) | 16:02 |
| e0ne | hi | 16:02 |
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| smcginnis | Or just work from home on Wednesdays... | 16:02 |
| e0ne | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CinderMeetings#Next_meeting | 16:02 |
| dulek | o/ | 16:03 |
| mdovgal | hi | 16:03 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | Hello :) | 16:03 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Working from home is the way to go. | 16:03 |
| smcginnis | e0ne: Doesn't do much good to capture that in the logs since it's changed every week. :) | 16:03 |
| rarora | hi | 16:03 |
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| smcginnis | jungleboyj: Especially when you have a ridiculously large monitor, right? | 16:03 |
| xyang1 | hi | 16:03 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: ;-) | 16:03 |
| smcginnis | #topic Announcements | 16:03 |
| tommylikehu_ | maybe two | 16:03 |
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| smcginnis | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-spec-review-tracking Review focus | 16:03 |
| tbarron | hi | 16:04 |
| smcginnis | I believe scottda has done more testing of the A/A patches. Would be nice to get those through. | 16:04 |
| scottda | yeah, I crashed by Devstack and need to restest. | 16:04 |
| smcginnis | #info Need to register for the PTG if you have not already done so | 16:04 |
| scottda | hopefully not caused by AA/HA :) | 16:04 |
| smcginnis | #link http://www.openstack.org/ptg PTG info and registration | 16:04 |
| smcginnis | scottda: Hah | 16:05 |
| smcginnis | Please get registered for the PTG if you can. | 16:05 |
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| smcginnis | We need participation to make this useful. | 16:05 |
| tommylikehu_ | smcginnis: wish so | 16:05 |
| wxy|_ | hi | 16:05 |
| smcginnis | tommylikehu_: Long trip for you. :) | 16:05 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | Finally getting to a good number of cinder folks. | 16:05 |
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| smcginnis | tommylikehu_: Would be great if you could make it though. | 16:05 |
| smcginnis | diablo_rojo_phon: Oh good, do you know the numbers off hand? | 16:05 |
| dulek | geguileo: How's rebasing of A/A stuff? You need any help there? | 16:05 |
| tommylikehu_ | smcginnis: thanks, I would like to have a try | 16:06 |
| smcginnis | #info Summit call for presentations is open | 16:06 |
| smcginnis | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/boston-2017/call-for-presentations/ Summit CFP | 16:06 |
| smcginnis | If you have any ideas for Summit topics, please submit them. | 16:07 |
| smcginnis | #info Need to start planning for the PTG | 16:07 |
| smcginnis | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ATL-cinder-ptg-planning PTG topic planning | 16:07 |
| scottda | smcginnis: I put a placeholder in there for cinder-nova meeting... | 16:07 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | smcginnis: not offhand but I can check the spreadsheet later and let you know. | 16:07 |
| scottda | smcginnis: NOt sure about when that needs to happen, how to get a big room, etc | 16:08 |
| tommylikehu_ | erlon here? | 16:08 |
| scottda | I think there's some cross-project designated day or something? | 16:08 |
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| diablo_rojo_phon | scottda: no designated day. | 16:09 |
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| smcginnis | scottda: From what I understand, there will be some space for ad hoc groups. | 16:09 |
| scottda | diablo_rojo_phon: ok, cool. What about a big room? | 16:09 |
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| smcginnis | scottda: We will have our dedicated rooms Wed-Fri | 16:09 |
| dulek | scottda: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-January/109608.html | 16:09 |
| scottda | smcginnis: Well, we might have a smaller cinder-nova api meeting, That might work. | 16:09 |
| smcginnis | So any and all PTG ideas, please add to that etherpad. We'll sort it out once we get closer. | 16:09 |
| dulek | scottda: here's ttx answer on that. | 16:10 |
| scottda | not sure about how many from both teams are interested. | 16:10 |
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| diablo_rojo_phon | scottda: yeah the rooms are kind of going to be scaled like how they were for the design summits. | 16:10 |
| smcginnis | scottda: Yeah, probably a small enough group that actually cares. | 16:10 |
| dulek | Small announcement from me - since today Cinder's listed here: https://governance.openstack.org/tc/reference/tags/assert_supports-rolling-upgrade.html :) | 16:10 |
| smcginnis | dulek: +1 Nice to see that. | 16:10 |
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| scottda | dulek: thx | 16:11 |
| smcginnis | #topic APIs for encryption types | 16:11 |
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| smcginnis | Not sure who added this one, no nick listed | 16:11 |
| scottda | maybe Steve Martinelli? | 16:11 |
| smcginnis | stevemar: Was this from you? ^^ | 16:12 |
| smcginnis | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/cinder/+bug/1562043 | 16:12 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1562043 in Cinder "[api-ref]API doc reference missing "volume type encryption create"" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to wangxiyuan (wangxiyuan) | 16:12 |
| stevemar | o/ | 16:12 |
| stevemar | oh yeah | 16:12 |
| stevemar | that was me, a while ago | 16:12 |
| stevemar | i was trying to find them and got frustrated that they are not there | 16:12 |
| smcginnis | Been two weeks, so it's hard to remember some times? :) | 16:12 |
| stevemar | the bugs been opened for several months now | 16:12 |
| smcginnis | stevemar: Ah, we're just missing the api-ref? | 16:12 |
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| * jungleboyj hands stevemar a coffee | 16:13 | |
| eharney | looks like we just need to review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/415320/ ? | 16:13 |
| stevemar | smcginnis: yes, i was looking here: http://developer.openstack.org/api-ref/block-storage/v2/index.html | 16:13 |
| scottda | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/415320/ | 16:13 |
| smcginnis | tabbed | 16:13 |
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| smcginnis | stevemar: Unfortunately, there's probably a lot more than that missing. | 16:13 |
| stevemar | smcginnis: that makes me sad :( | 16:13 |
| smcginnis | We added in-tree api-ref last release, but one person was doing it and they've moved on to another job. | 16:13 |
| stevemar | smcginnis: do a sprint :P | 16:14 |
| smcginnis | stevemar: Yeah... on the list of things that need attention. | 16:14 |
| wxy|_ | So is there any work list for Api ref? | 16:14 |
| smcginnis | wxy|_: Not that I have or have seen. | 16:14 |
| smcginnis | wxy|_: If that's something you are interested in, feel free to start an etherpad or something if you think it would help. | 16:14 |
| smcginnis | Any attention to the api-ref would be beneficial. | 16:14 |
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| stevemar | its unfair to expect users to know internals of cinder to use an API, gotta doc it! | 16:15 |
| smcginnis | I think nova had some tool or something they were using to track progress on their api-ref work. Not sure though. | 16:15 |
| smcginnis | stevemar: Yes, definitely. | 16:15 |
| stevemar | (also the help and docstrings in cinderclient aren't much more helpful) | 16:15 |
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| smcginnis | I think there are a few Cinder bugs filed for api-ref work that needs to be done. So if that interests anyone, they're out there. | 16:16 |
| scottda | stevemar: Thanks for keeping us on our toes. | 16:16 |
| stevemar | scottda: np :) | 16:16 |
| smcginnis | stevemar: Keeping us in line! :) | 16:16 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Is there a tag for that? | 16:16 |
| scottda | I think it's [api-ref] | 16:16 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: mmmmm, maybe? :) | 16:16 |
| smcginnis | That's in the title, but not sure if a tag has been set, at least on all of them. | 16:16 |
| stevemar | we had the same issue in keystone (when we moved our APIs in-tree), we did a 2 day sprint near the end of the cycle, it worked really well | 16:16 |
| smcginnis | Will try to make sure it is next time I do a pass through them. | 16:17 |
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| stevemar | it was all doc'ed here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/keystone-api-sprint | 16:17 |
| jungleboyj | :-) Sounds like a good idea. | 16:17 |
| smcginnis | stevemar: Good tip. That sounds like something good to do closer to the end of a cycle. | 16:17 |
| smcginnis | stevemar: Nice, thanks! | 16:17 |
| stevemar | anyway, i'll step off my soapbox now | 16:17 |
| jungleboyj | stevemar: Are you becoming a Cinder guy? | 16:18 |
| smcginnis | stevemar: While you're up, want to do a quick mention for the driver maintainers? | 16:18 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: We're forcing him to be by not having good docs. ;) | 16:18 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Ah, so that is our hidden agenda. Cool. | 16:18 |
| stevemar | oh sure | 16:19 |
| smcginnis | We're sneaky like that. | 16:19 |
| stevemar | so, i had another ask | 16:19 |
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| stevemar | the TC is doing some work around drivers, smcginnis has been keeping up to date on it | 16:20 |
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| stevemar | i can't find the ML post atm... | 16:20 |
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| stevemar | but is anyone interested in helping us out here? we're looking to talk to a few cinder driver maintainers | 16:20 |
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| stevemar | the TC wants to make sure we're asking the right questions and proposing solutions that'll help driver maintainers | 16:21 |
| smcginnis | Might be this one: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-December/108410.html | 16:21 |
| stevemar | thanks smcginnis! | 16:21 |
| jungleboyj | stevemar: I will put the call out to our internal driver maintainers. | 16:22 |
| jungleboyj | Have them contact you? | 16:22 |
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| stevemar | jungleboyj: just shoot me their email and name | 16:22 |
| jungleboyj | stevemar: Can do buddy. | 16:22 |
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| stevemar | do driver maintainers normally not attend the meeting? | 16:22 |
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| tommylikehu_ | yes maybe | 16:23 |
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| smcginnis | stevemar: Many do, but some companies have a different set of driver maintainers. | 16:23 |
| scottda | stevemar: Attendance is a bit light today... | 16:23 |
| jungleboyj | stevemar: Some do, but for IBM most of them are Asia, so not a good time. | 16:23 |
| stevemar | ah | 16:23 |
| stevemar | various reasons | 16:23 |
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| stevemar | cool | 16:23 |
| smcginnis | #action Driver maintainers contact stevemar to get involved in driver team discussion | 16:23 |
| stevemar | any suggestions for names i can poke? from the esteemed core team? :) | 16:23 |
| smcginnis | stevemar: Hopefully the mention in here will get read in the meeting logs and get some activity | 16:24 |
| xyang1 | stevemar: I'd be interested in talking to you about this, do you need my email? | 16:24 |
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| tommylikehu_ | stevemar: maybe you can leave your email here | 16:24 |
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| tommylikehu_ | the guys could check this log and contact you later | 16:24 |
| stevemar | sure, folks can reach me at s.martinelli@gmail.com or send me a PM | 16:24 |
| tommylikehu_ | stevemar: thanks | 16:25 |
| stevemar | neutron has a "lieutenant" list of drivers: http://docs.openstack.org/developer/neutron/policies/neutron-teams.html#core-review-hierarchy | 16:25 |
| smcginnis | stevemar: Now the spam bots have you. ;) | 16:25 |
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| stevemar | (if you scroll down a bit) | 16:25 |
| tommylikehu_ | lol | 16:25 |
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| stevemar | ok, now i'm really done :P | 16:26 |
| smcginnis | stevemar: Thanks! | 16:26 |
| smcginnis | #topic Reset-status for all resources with single command in Cinder-client and OSC | 16:26 |
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| tommylikehu_ | great, I add this topic for eharney | 16:26 |
| smcginnis | eharney and tommylikehu_: Take er away | 16:26 |
| tommylikehu_ | eharney: here? | 16:26 |
| eharney | yep | 16:26 |
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| tommylikehu_ | I think the idea comes from eharney | 16:27 |
| smcginnis | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/413156/ Proposed approach | 16:27 |
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| tommylikehu_ | and it's about reset different resource's status with single command | 16:28 |
| smcginnis | So the idea is rather than adding reset commands for everything, just have one general command that can be pointed at whatever needs to be reset? | 16:28 |
| eharney | for context, the start here is that i voted against adding group-reset-state and group-snapshot-reset-state to the cinder CLI | 16:28 |
| eharney | for a couple of reasons | 16:28 |
| tommylikehu_ | smcginnis: right | 16:28 |
| eharney | 1) we don't need a CLI full of X reset-state commands, one for every resource, IMO, because it's a lot of clutter | 16:29 |
| eharney | 2) copying the way we do reset-state now is not a good plan because what we do now is not really a great design | 16:29 |
| e0ne | eharney: I like this idea | 16:29 |
| eharney | and i'd rather fix it rather than propagate it further | 16:29 |
| scottda | (we've 3 *reset* commands now, and are proposing adding 2 more) | 16:29 |
| scottda | eharney: +1 | 16:29 |
| tommylikehu_ | scottda: yeah | 16:29 |
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| eharney | if we move to a new command, we can smoothly fix the other issues with the current scheme | 16:30 |
| eharney | such as the fact that it defaults to "available" which IMO is rarely a safe choice | 16:30 |
| bswartz | what's the downside of collapsing it all down to 1 command? | 16:30 |
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| tommylikehu_ | bswartz: it could be ugly maybe | 16:30 |
| scottda | Or it could be beautiful | 16:30 |
| scottda | :) | 16:30 |
| eharney | bswartz: the only argument really presented against it so far was kind of "we do it in one command in osc, but in cinder CLI we already do this, so let's keep doing it the current way" | 16:31 |
| tommylikehu_ | sorry maybe different from others | 16:31 |
| eharney | which IMO is not really much of an argument | 16:31 |
| jungleboyj | eharney: I think that makes sense. Not add additional commands and set things up so that it is easier to fix in the future. | 16:31 |
| bswartz | I lean in favor of this | 16:31 |
| smcginnis | eharney: I haven't looked at that patch, but is that working? Or needs more work? | 16:31 |
| scottda | It's going to need a spec. What will the API look like? Will we have a ResetManager? | 16:32 |
| xyang1 | eharney: can you get it done in Ocata? | 16:32 |
| eharney | smcginnis: it works for volume and snap | 16:32 |
| tommylikehu_ | we are gathering more response and then take the steps | 16:32 |
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| scottda | Or maybe no spec? What do people think? | 16:32 |
| smcginnis | eharney: So it would just need a little more work to add other object support? Seems worth spending a little more time on. | 16:32 |
| eharney | i'm also concerned about whether we are relying on reset-state too much in general rather than making things work in a way where it isn't needed so often | 16:33 |
| eharney | smcginnis: right | 16:33 |
| winston-d | for the case to reset a volume that is 'in-use' to 'available' (or the other way around), we need reset-state API to be able to deal with not just 'status' field. | 16:33 |
| dulek | winston-d: Yup, same with migration status. | 16:33 |
| smcginnis | scottda: Good question. I'm kind of on the fence on a spec. Could be useful to document what's being done, but could also be overkill. | 16:33 |
| jungleboyj | eharney: Madness! | 16:33 |
| scottda | Well, this is ultimately about an admin API to change the DB.... | 16:33 |
| smcginnis | winston-d: Good point. Maybe a spec is needed to flesh out some of these details. | 16:33 |
| eharney | i don't mind writing specs if people agree on the general direction | 16:34 |
| tommylikehu_ | Only the clients are involovd in this? | 16:34 |
| scottda | I agree with eharney that ideally we would fix thing to prevent bad state, but that's been a bit hard. | 16:34 |
| smcginnis | eharney: I tentatively agree with the general direction. :) | 16:35 |
| scottda | We got pushback from nova for this 2 years ago, and we're still trying to fix the api... | 16:35 |
| eharney | scottda: well, we keep not doing things we could be doing to avoid it. like using async error messages rather than the pattern of "leave the object in error_X and ask the admin to reset it" | 16:35 |
| winston-d | dulek: yeah, so basically it shouls support almost every status-like filed for different resources. | 16:35 |
| winston-d | Designing such a able can be challenging. | 16:36 |
| scottda | I think it's better to design it right, and take our time. | 16:36 |
| eharney | reset-state already deals with attach status, it can be made to deal w/ migration status too | 16:36 |
| smcginnis | scottda: That;s crazy talk. | 16:36 |
| scottda | If we start the spec now, we can beat on it at PTG and have something in Pike | 16:37 |
| smcginnis | Good call. | 16:37 |
| tommylikehu_ | scottda: sounds great | 16:37 |
| jungleboyj | My two cents are that we need to eventually get the problems that lead to the need for these resolved. | 16:37 |
| winston-d | +1 | 16:37 |
| jungleboyj | In the short term though, getting a good solution for reset-state is desirable. | 16:37 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: +1 | 16:37 |
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| scottda | Yeah, but sh*&t happens, and we'll always need a tool. | 16:37 |
| jungleboyj | scottda: Exactly. | 16:38 |
| winston-d | scottda: SQL | 16:38 |
| smcginnis | I don't know if we can ever get rid of the root causes, but worth making things more robust. | 16:38 |
| winston-d | :) | 16:38 |
| smcginnis | winston-d: ;) | 16:38 |
| jungleboyj | scottda: So lets make the tool decent. :-) | 16:38 |
| eharney | we can certainly stop adding new root causes | 16:38 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: +1 | 16:38 |
| jungleboyj | eharney: Madness again! | 16:38 |
| tommylikehu_ | eharney: :) | 16:38 |
| eharney | i -1'd a spec this morning on revert to snapshot because it wanted to add a new state of "error_reverting"... this is the design trap we tend to go toward by default | 16:38 |
| tommylikehu_ | eharney: I gonna check this | 16:39 |
| smcginnis | If things get to the point where it's rare enough, SQL is probably OK. But until then, I think having a decent tool to help admins with this is worth it. | 16:39 |
| scottda | Not every admin can access the DB directly with SQL | 16:39 |
| eharney | SQL isn't good enough because then people will break things like resetting the volume status and not the attachment status | 16:39 |
| scottda | Accessing production DB is generally bad... | 16:39 |
| jungleboyj | scottda: +1 | 16:40 |
| smcginnis | Yeah, only if it's a very, very rare occurence. If that's ever possible. | 16:40 |
| scottda | And I have done it countless times :) | 16:40 |
| scottda | cause sh*!t breaks. | 16:40 |
| winston-d | yeah, and schema change is nightmare for SQL based tool | 16:40 |
| smcginnis | eharney: So spec then? | 16:41 |
| eharney | smcginnis: i guess, i'll start with the proposed CLI ideas and see what else ends up in there | 16:41 |
| scottda | spec +1 | 16:41 |
| smcginnis | eharney: Thanks. Might be good to add to here too: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ATL-cinder-ptg-planning | 16:41 |
| smcginnis | eharney: Would be nice to have a high bandwidth discussion on things. | 16:41 |
| eharney | sure | 16:42 |
| tommylikehu_ | smcginnis, eharney thanks | 16:42 |
| smcginnis | eharney, tommylikehu_: Thanks! Anything else on this topic? | 16:42 |
| smcginnis | #topic Open Discussion | 16:43 |
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| smcginnis | Anything else? | 16:43 |
| smcginnis | Did we get a netsplit or something? | 16:43 |
| tommylikehu_ | no | 16:43 |
| * jungleboyj waves | 16:43 | |
| scottda | no | 16:43 |
| smcginnis | :) | 16:44 |
| winston-d | still here | 16:44 |
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| eharney | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/337814/ would really like some more reviews | 16:44 |
| smcginnis | tabbed | 16:44 |
| smcginnis | Oh, another reminder, non-client lib deadline is in two weeks. | 16:44 |
| tommylikehu_ | O-3 | 16:45 |
| smcginnis | So if you are working on anything in os-brick, or have anything you know we need to get through, nows the time to push that. | 16:45 |
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| smcginnis | tommylikehu_: non-client library freeze is before o-3 | 16:45 |
| tommylikehu_ | smcginnis: ok~ | 16:45 |
| smcginnis | tommylikehu_: Gives a little time to make sure there are dependency issues before the bigger freeze. | 16:45 |
| smcginnis | #link https://releases.openstack.org/ocata/schedule.html Ocata schedule | 16:46 |
| eharney | we landed some os-brick stable/newton fixes. i/we need to cycle through those again and see about doing a release there, i suppose | 16:46 |
| smcginnis | eharney: Or can we just raise Newton upper constraints to use the newer lib? | 16:46 |
| smcginnis | I don't think we could do that with Mitaka since we added privsep, but I think we should be able to now. | 16:46 |
| smcginnis | Though probably doesn't hurt to just do a stable release. | 16:47 |
| eharney | smcginnis: well we already merged them into stable, might as well cut a release | 16:47 |
| smcginnis | eharney: True | 16:47 |
| tommylikehu_ | smcginnis: any reminder about the drivers's deprecation strategy | 16:47 |
| eharney | for those people who actually "use" this code that i'm always hearing about :) | 16:47 |
| smcginnis | eharney: :) | 16:47 |
| smcginnis | tommylikehu_: Good point. | 16:47 |
| smcginnis | There are a few remaining patches marking drivers as unsupported. | 16:47 |
| smcginnis | And a few went through already. | 16:48 |
| scottda | Yeah, looks like a lot of driver unsupported patches that just need +A | 16:48 |
| smcginnis | If we get CI stable on those before RC1, I think we can revert those. | 16:48 |
| tommylikehu_ | smcginnis: great | 16:48 |
| smcginnis | Otherwise, some queued up for removal in Pike. | 16:48 |
| smcginnis | If it comes to that. | 16:48 |
| smcginnis | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/cinder+branch:master+topic:ci_unsupported | 16:48 |
| smcginnis | Open reviews ^^ | 16:48 |
| eharney | any thoughts on NFS snapshots? i still owe erlon some testing there but it hasn't seen any other review lately | 16:49 |
| smcginnis | eharney: I've kind of been waiting for that to shake out. If it's ready, I would like to get that pushed through. | 16:49 |
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| smcginnis | The one question I had there is any impact with drivers that build on top of the NFS driver. | 16:49 |
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| eharney | i don't know of anything really worrying there, but it's been a while since i've looked at it really closely | 16:51 |
| jungleboyj | eharney: *Sigh* I have been wanting to play with those but been in turmoil lately. :-) | 16:52 |
| smcginnis | eharney: I'm sure we'll find out eventually. Really won't be in any worse shape than we are now, so I don't think anything needs to be held back by it. | 16:52 |
| jungleboyj | I will see if I can play with the latest patches. | 16:52 |
| eharney | jungleboyj: cool | 16:52 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: +2 | 16:52 |
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| viks | hi, minor topic, can this be merged now https://review.openstack.org/#/c/378105/? Sry to bring it again. Trying to save one more merge conflict | 16:52 |
| smcginnis | viks: I'll take a look later. Got it open in a tab now. Hopefully should be good now. | 16:53 |
| viks | correct link is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/378105/ | 16:53 |
| viks | thanks | 16:53 |
| smcginnis | OK, anything else for the meeting? | 16:53 |
| smcginnis | OK, thanks everyone! | 16:54 |
| jungleboyj | Thanks smcginnis ! | 16:54 |
| smcginnis | #endmeeting | 16:54 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jan 4 16:54:34 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:54 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2017/cinder.2017-01-04-16.02.html | 16:54 |
| viks | bye all | 16:54 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2017/cinder.2017-01-04-16.02.txt | 16:54 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2017/cinder.2017-01-04-16.02.log.html | 16:54 |
| jungleboyj | Asta la vista baby! | 16:54 |
| smcginnis | :) | 16:54 |
| winston-d | bye | 16:56 |
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| jungleboyj | Bye. | 16:56 |
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| bh526r | #startmeeting gluon | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jan 4 18:00:07 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bh526r. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: gluon)" | 18:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'gluon' | 18:00 |
| pcarver | hello | 18:00 |
| bh526r | #topic Roll Call | 18:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Roll Call (Meeting topic: gluon)" | 18:00 | |
| bh526r | Hi Paul, happy new year | 18:00 |
| bh526r | #info Bin Hu | 18:00 |
| pcarver | same to you | 18:00 |
| pcarver | #info Paul Carver | 18:00 |
| bh526r | looks like only you and I now | 18:01 |
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| pcarver | yup, maybe so | 18:02 |
| alraddarla_ | #info Darla Ahlert | 18:02 |
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| alraddarla_ | I'm here too :) | 18:02 |
| bh526r | Hi Darla, happy new year | 18:02 |
| pcarver | hi Darla | 18:02 |
| alraddarla_ | hello! Happy new year! | 18:02 |
| kamal___ | #info Kamal Hussain | 18:02 |
| kamal___ | happy new year all! | 18:02 |
| bh526r | Hi Kamal, happy new year | 18:02 |
| kamal___ | thanks | 18:03 |
| jinli | Happy New Year ! | 18:03 |
| jinli | #info JinLi | 18:03 |
| bh526r | Happy new year Jin | 18:03 |
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| bh526r | #topic Admin Update | 18:04 |
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| bh526r | Looks like many groups are planning PTG meeting in the end of February | 18:05 |
| bh526r | I communicated with Thierry from Foundation regarding those logistics in PTG, especially room assignment | 18:05 |
| bh526r | The situation is that the PTG is organized around team rooms rather than around individual sessions. | 18:06 |
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| bh526r | Foundation will publish an event map, rather than an event schedule. | 18:06 |
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| bh526r | Because Foundation offers full rooms to teams (for multiple days), only official projects can get a full room assigned at the PTG. | 18:07 |
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| bh526r | Regarding unofficial projects like us, there are lots of hallway / lunch space that can be reused for discussions around other projects or not-yet-official initiatives. | 18:08 |
| tomhambleton | #info Tom Hambleton | 18:08 |
| bh526r | So they won't appear as a "room" on the event maps. | 18:08 |
| bh526r | In a word, unofficial projects won't get a room in PTG. If we want to meet in PTG, we only can reuse hallway/lunch space | 18:09 |
| bh526r | So that's the information I got so far for PTG | 18:10 |
| bh526r | #info Many groups are planning PTG meeting in the end of February | 18:11 |
| bh526r | #info Bin communicated with Thierry from Foundation regarding those logistics in PTG, especially room assignment | 18:11 |
| Uri_ | sorry for the ignorance, PTG??? | 18:11 |
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| bh526r | Project Team Gathering | 18:12 |
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| pcarver | https://www.openstack.org/ptg/ | 18:12 |
| bh526r | It used to be design summit. Now it is a separate event PTG. | 18:12 |
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| Uri_ | thx | 18:12 |
| bh526r | #info The situation is that the PTG is organized around team rooms rather than around individual sessions. | 18:12 |
| bh526r | #info Foundation will publish an event map, rather than an event schedule. | 18:12 |
| bh526r | #info Because Foundation offers full rooms to teams (for multiple days), only official projects can get a full room assigned at the PTG. | 18:13 |
| bh526r | #info Regarding unofficial projects like us, there are lots of hallway / lunch space that can be reused for discussions around other projects or not-yet-official initiatives. | 18:13 |
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| bh526r | #info In a word, unofficial projects won't get a room in PTG. If we want to meet in PTG, we only can reuse hallway/lunch space | 18:13 |
| alraddarla_ | Is anyone planning on going to PTG? | 18:14 |
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| bh526r | Let us think about the strategy to best use PTG | 18:14 |
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| bh526r | Ian is working on those Gluon patches in Nova, and potentially in Neutron | 18:15 |
| pcarver | I'm planning to put in a travel request to go to the PTG. No idea yet on whether it's likely to be approved. | 18:15 |
| bh526r | So he needs to go to PTG. But let me communicate with him to make sure he is going to. | 18:16 |
| bh526r | Ian's presence is critical, in my view | 18:16 |
| bh526r | so that he can work with Nova and Neutron team there to get our patch/BP move forward | 18:17 |
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| bh526r | Because we won't have a room there, only hallway/lunch space ca be reused, it may not be practical to have a formal Gluon team meeting there. | 18:18 |
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| rob_tao | I wonder if Gluon guys or others can just sit in the room of an official project, for example, Nova? If yes it would be helpful if some of us are there imho | 18:18 |
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| bh526r | That's an unfortunate reality | 18:18 |
| bh526r | That's right. Instead of Gluon team meeting, our critical mass, such as Ian, need to be in Nova and Neutron's room to work on our topics with Nova and Neutron. | 18:19 |
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| bh526r | So whoever plans to go to PTG, that's the major goal. | 18:20 |
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| bh526r | #info So everyone is encouraged to think about the best way of working in PTG, and either plan to go to PTG and work with Nova and Neutron on Gluon topics, or stay in back office to get our work done. | 18:22 |
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| bh526r | #info Bin will take an action to communicate with Ian and convince him to go. | 18:23 |
| bh526r | any other thoughts? | 18:24 |
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| pcarver | If my travel request is approved I expect to spend time working with the Neutron team on sub-projects, but would also join in any Gluon discussions that happen to take place ad hoc | 18:25 |
| bh526r | That's great Paul. Thank you | 18:26 |
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| pcarver | It's probably not worth travelling for anyone who is strictly working on Gluon and isn't following activies ongoing in one or more of the official OpenStack projects. | 18:26 |
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| bh526r | I didn't send travel request for PTG, because under this situation, my presence there may not make a significant difference. So I would rather save some money. But Ian is critical. | 18:28 |
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| bh526r | ok, let's move on to other topics | 18:29 |
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| bh526r | #topic Gluon Tasks | 18:29 |
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| bh526r | routine record here | 18:29 |
| bh526r | #Info Ocata Tasks | 18:30 |
| bh526r | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Gluon/Tasks-Ocata | 18:30 |
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| bh526r | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ocata-gluon-work-plan | 18:30 |
| bh526r | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ocata-nova-neutron-session | 18:30 |
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| bh526r | #topic Status Update | 18:31 |
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| bh526r | #info 1. Authentication and Access Control | 18:32 |
| bh526r | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/411000/ | 18:32 |
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| bh526r | #info Patch 411000 was merged after our last discussion on Dec 21 | 18:32 |
| bh526r | #info 2. OpenContrail's Mechanism Driver | 18:33 |
| bh526r | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/402071/ | 18:33 |
| bh526r | #info Pending on Juniper's new repo, and then update of instruction | 18:33 |
| bh526r | #info 3. Testing | 18:34 |
| bh526r | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/405689/ | 18:34 |
| kamal___ | I am also working on more changes for the access control | 18:34 |
| bh526r | #info Kamal is also working on fine tuning and polishing etc. more changes of access control | 18:34 |
| bh526r | #info 405689 Jenkins failed. Georg and Darla had comments | 18:35 |
| jinli | I am still working on that one | 18:35 |
| bh526r | #info Jin is continuing working on it | 18:36 |
| bh526r | #info 4. Shim Layer for Open Daylight | 18:36 |
| bh526r | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/413011/ | 18:36 |
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| tomhambleton | I am still reviewing it. I have a few issues with it but overall it looks good | 18:37 |
| bh526r | #info We discussed it on Dec 21. It looks good. The pending action is how to handle a prior patch 407388 | 18:37 |
| bh526r | #info We generally agreed that 407388 should be abandoned on Dec 21 | 18:38 |
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| bh526r | #info Because Georg and Niko are still on vacation, we can wait for them to come back then formally abandon 407388. | 18:39 |
| bh526r | #info Meanwhile, Tom will continue to review 413011. | 18:39 |
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| bh526r | #info All are also encouraged to continue to review 413011, and post comments there | 18:40 |
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| bh526r | #info 5. Gluon API Specification | 18:41 |
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| bh526r | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/411918/ | 18:41 |
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| bh526r | #info Tom has done a great job, and also addressed many comments | 18:41 |
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| tomhambleton | I am getting some good feedback on this spec. Hopefully we can get this approved in a week or so | 18:42 |
| bh526r | Paul - you also just posted some comments before the meeting | 18:42 |
| bh526r | Perhaps you can share some here with Tom too? | 18:42 |
| pcarver | sure, I just had a few questions on things that weren't completely clear | 18:43 |
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| pcarver | I think it looks good overall | 18:43 |
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| pcarver | I think a few more examples would be helpful to clarify some of the bits that weren't entirely clear. | 18:44 |
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| tomhambleton | Will do, I will process all of your comments | 18:44 |
| bh526r | Great, thank you both Paul and Tom | 18:44 |
| bh526r | #info 5. Bug Fixes | 18:45 |
| bh526r | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/413307/ | 18:45 |
| pcarver | I'm planning to attempt to describe the current networking-sfc API and the Contrail SFC API in YAML | 18:45 |
| bh526r | #info this was approved and merged after our last meeting on Dec 21 | 18:45 |
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| bh526r | That is awesome, Paul. | 18:46 |
| bh526r | #info 7. Devstack Integration (Work in Progress) | 18:47 |
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| bh526r | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/404069/ | 18:47 |
| bh526r | #info Ian is still working on it | 18:47 |
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| bh526r | #info 8. Add Entry Points to our Neutron Plugin (Work in Progress) | 18:47 |
| bh526r | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/404390/ | 18:48 |
| bh526r | #info Ian is still working on it | 18:48 |
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| bh526r | #info 9. Nova Enhancement (Work in Progress) | 18:48 |
| bh526r | #info This is what Ian is working with John in Nova team | 18:48 |
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| bh526r | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/390513/ | 18:49 |
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| bh526r | #info Most recent comments were on Dec 13 | 18:49 |
| bh526r | #info On Jan 3, Nova PTL Matt suggested "This has to be moved to the nova/specs/pike/approved directory as ocata is closed for new specs." | 18:50 |
| bh526r | #info So Ian will take action to continue it in Pike cycle. | 18:51 |
| bh526r | #topic AOB | 18:51 |
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| bh526r | That's all of the update. Anything else to discuss? | 18:52 |
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| rob_tao | I would like to take this opportunity to bring up the multi-site setup for lab/future demo we talked about. One Question I have for your guys: what should be used for the underlay encapsulation(GRE/MPLS/or...) between sites? Can we determine one only? | 18:52 |
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| tomhambleton | MPLSoGRE | 18:53 |
| tomhambleton | That is what we did before | 18:54 |
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| rob_tao | Will it be used by all? ideally it is the case | 18:54 |
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| rob_tao | Anything on the Gluon lab status? | 18:55 |
| bh526r | We can ask Georg once he is back from vacation next week | 18:55 |
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| rob_tao | ok then. thanks to all | 18:56 |
| bh526r | anything else? | 18:56 |
| bh526r | Thank you Robert | 18:56 |
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| bh526r | If nothing else, let's adjourn the meeting | 18:57 |
| bh526r | #info Meeting adjourned | 18:57 |
| bh526r | #endmeeting | 18:57 |
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| tomhambleton | Bye all! | 18:57 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jan 4 18:57:23 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:57 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/gluon/2017/gluon.2017-01-04-18.00.html | 18:57 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/gluon/2017/gluon.2017-01-04-18.00.txt | 18:57 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/gluon/2017/gluon.2017-01-04-18.00.log.html | 18:57 |
| bh526r | Thank you everyone and bye all | 18:57 |
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| kamal___ | bye all | 18:59 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | anybody around for the... *drumroll* ... storyboard meeting? | 19:00 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | SotK is unwell today, hope he feels better soon | 19:01 |
| betherly | o/ | 19:01 |
| betherly | Hallo! | 19:01 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | hi, betherly! | 19:01 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | okay, we'll start, then! | 19:02 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | #startmeeting storyboard | 19:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jan 4 19:02:08 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is zara_the_lemur__. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'storyboard' | 19:02 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | #topic Announcements | 19:02 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | I have nothing listed | 19:02 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | HOWEVER | 19:02 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | SotK's patch to list teams that can access private stories has finally gone in! | 19:03 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | so this means that you no longer need to list who can view a private story user-by-user | 19:03 |
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| diablo_rojo_phon | Hello :) | 19:03 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | but can make a team once, and then give that team access wherever | 19:03 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | hi, diablo_rojo_phon! | 19:03 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | It's been in-progress for forever so I decided it was worthy of an announcement | 19:04 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | #topic urgent items | 19:04 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | Nothing I'm aware of | 19:04 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | we're ticking along | 19:04 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | #topic #In-progress work | 19:04 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | for some reason I'm putting hashes everywhere... | 19:05 |
| fungi | SotK: thanks for group visibility for private stories! that will be a huge help to the vmt | 19:05 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | +1 | 19:05 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | I've tested it, but it'll be good for people to try it out on things that aren't super-critical first, in case we've missed anything | 19:06 |
| betherly | Brill! | 19:06 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | :) | 19:06 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | in other news... in a fit of desperation, I rechecked jeblair's patch to put tags in the task filter | 19:07 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | (So that we can filter tasks by story tag) | 19:07 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | and apparently it just needed a recheck | 19:07 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | well, a fourth recheck | 19:07 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | so that has fiiiiinally been merged, after probably-more-than-a-month-I-don't-even-want-to-look | 19:07 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | (that's in the api) | 19:08 |
| fungi | oh nice | 19:08 |
| fungi | so now we can filter tasks by story tag? | 19:08 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/404978/ | 19:09 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | so yeah, for worklists | 19:10 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | so hopefully we'll need fewer workaround scripts for boards as time goes on. | 19:11 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | other in-progress things... | 19:11 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | I made yet another fresh StoryBoard install this weekend, so have updated some of the install docs | 19:11 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | nothing very exciting there | 19:11 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/415996/ | 19:12 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/415942/ | 19:12 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | and have submitted a 'fix' for a private stories bug; 'fix' in quotes since it fixes the problem but the logic isn't what we should really be doing | 19:13 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/416070/ | 19:13 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | well, it's better than what was there before as far as I could tell, anyway | 19:13 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | so those are some patches awaiting reviews | 19:13 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | we also have some general maintenance patches awaiting review | 19:14 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/415493/ | 19:14 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/415494/ | 19:14 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | aaaand we are still using login.launchpad.net instead of login.ubuntu.com but I don't know how to even start changing the database for that. | 19:15 |
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| fungi | on 416070, i wonder why not just always make stories visible to the creator? it's not like hiding a story from its creator serves to create any additional security/secrecy (except maybe hiding later comments from them, not sure what the use case is though) | 19:15 |
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| fungi | on the login.ubuntu.com front, it's just a db query we'll need to run (probably an etl script like the one mordred wrote for gerrit) | 19:16 |
| persia | A potential use case is to hide later comments/updates in the event that a story is private to a company, and the creator changes employment. | 19:16 |
| fungi | so instead of always making it visible to the creator in perpetuity, just make it visible to teh creator by default unless they're removed? | 19:17 |
| persia | I believe that is already in place. | 19:17 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | yeah, that's the idea (and that is our current default) | 19:17 |
| clarkb | oh hey this is topical on the internet now | 19:17 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | (the problem atm is that it's possible to remove *everyone* from a story :D) | 19:18 |
| clarkb | some ham radio software company used such features in whatever ticketing system they were using to remove evidence of being mean to their customers | 19:18 |
| fungi | zara_the_lemur__: aha, got it. so the "fix" is to prevent them from removing themselves without having at least one other user able to view it | 19:18 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | yeah | 19:18 |
| clarkb | and then the Internet found out and got mad | 19:18 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | that sounds interesting | 19:19 |
| persia | clarkb: The internet will always find out, but from the perspective of most product managers, having that take three months can be a critical difference between being willing to use a common tracking system, and maintaining an internal JIRA (or whatever). | 19:19 |
| clarkb | persia: oh sure its not the tracking systems fault | 19:19 |
| clarkb | its just an interesting story of the past couple weeks directly related to such features | 19:20 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | (think I found the article, will read) | 19:20 |
| fungi | also this same sort of thing crops up all the time with web forums where the company maintaining it decides to hide things they find embarrassing | 19:20 |
| jeblair | our ticketing system has a 3-month fire rating! | 19:20 |
| fungi | and then stuff leaks and... yeah | 19:20 |
| fungi | it's more of a policy question than a feature question | 19:21 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | yeah, down the line it's worth considering who can make stories private | 19:21 |
| persia | From a feature perspective, I think it is useful to be able to embargo things to arbitrary groups. From a policy perspective, I think that people collaborating in a large public open-source project would do well not to behave in ways that could cause later leaks to be embarassing. | 19:21 |
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| fungi | my sentiments as well | 19:22 |
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| fungi | anyway, it's feature parity with lp's private bug handling and we're not seeing widespread issues there, so i'm not concerned really | 19:22 |
| persia | There's still the odd corner case where one can set the permissions of a story to only be readable by a group that contains no members, just in case people are poking the corners of this. | 19:22 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | (right, and for now I'm fairly confident that if a company starts trying to hide things that were previously public all over storyboard, to hide bad behaviour, infra can say 'erm what?' and revert it.) | 19:23 |
| fungi | persia: though in that corner case, someone can still readd users to the group in question, the story is not completely unreachable | 19:23 |
| persia | zara_the_lemur__: Do SB admins have access to private stories, or only DB admins? | 19:23 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | DB admins | 19:24 |
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| persia | fungi: Ah, thanks for pointing out that. It makes me less worried about the current state :) | 19:24 |
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| fungi | (unless i'm misunderstanding the privacy/data model) | 19:24 |
| persia | I think you understand correctly | 19:24 |
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| fungi | i still haven't had time to play around with how user groups are managed | 19:25 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | (SB admins can add/remove people to/from teams; DB admins can see anything in StoryBoard as far as I'm aware) | 19:25 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | it'd be good to get more eyes on it | 19:25 |
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| fungi | yeah, db admins are always going to have access to everything (at least everything stored persistently in the db) | 19:26 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | yep | 19:27 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | so with the model atm, theoretically a sb admin could add themselves to a team and by that method gain access to things they can't see by default | 19:27 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | I don't yet know whether that's an issue, since I don't know how sb admins would be decided; if they're a subset of db admins then it's fine | 19:28 |
| fungi | which is also true of lp, so again not concerned with that design choice | 19:28 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | cool | 19:28 |
| persia | Generally speaking, if one can't trust the DB admins or the SB admins ,they probably shouldn't be using that SB instance. | 19:28 |
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| fungi | in lp in fact, you basically have project-specific admins and group-specific admins. so it boils down to trusting people in the groups to which you're delegating access anyway | 19:29 |
| fungi | though i'm sure lp also has server-wide admins who can do those things, i'm just not one | 19:29 |
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| persia | My understanding is that there are several classes of wider LP admin permissions, but that becomes an implementation detail. | 19:30 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | great, if you're confident that it has feature-parity then that should be fine | 19:30 |
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| fungi | to reduce burden on the sb admins, it may make sense in the future to extend the group schema to incorporate group-specific admins or the ability for groups to self-manage their memberships | 19:31 |
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| fungi | but that doesn't strike me as a blocker | 19:31 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | +1 | 19:32 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | plus, you have permissions for teams, who's on the list of admins who can assign members of groups admin permissions over the groups | 19:33 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | *plus if you have | 19:33 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | could get a bit infinite-regress-y | 19:33 |
| jeblair | self-management has worked out really well in gerrit (it's optional -- a group has an owner, which is another group. that could be an admin group if you want top-down management, or it could be the group itself if you want self-management) | 19:34 |
| jeblair | zara_the_lemur__: that sounds adaptable to what you said -- maybe if you can acl management of a group to itself... | 19:34 |
| persia | That seems a reasonable model, assuming the users don't make long nested loops. | 19:34 |
| persia | Is there a story about that already? | 19:35 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | ah, so teams within teams? | 19:35 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | I suspect there isn't a story yet | 19:35 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | I think it's come up on irc before, vague memories of discussing it | 19:35 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | very vague, possibly imaginary | 19:35 |
| fungi | zara_the_lemur__: not so much teams within teams as teams controlled by a team (which could be itself in some circumstances) | 19:36 |
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| persia | I read teams-within-teams is separate from team-owner-is-a-team(can be self). | 19:36 |
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| fungi | gerrit does also have teams-within-teams (you can specify a team to include other teams as members), and yes gerrit seems to have loop detection built in to handle that | 19:37 |
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| fungi | we have lots of examples of group inclusion loops in gerrit already, and there is even a recursive membership query in its api which dtrt with those loops | 19:37 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | I might be phrasing it badly, the only model I currently have for this would be something like linux user groups, so that membership of one group could depend on membership of another group (so a group acts like a subset of another group, but it's not the groups that are nested, but the membership status, if that makes sense) | 19:38 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | anyway, cool, there are ideas around it and people can see ways of doing things if we need it; I think that's promising :) | 19:39 |
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| persia | zara_the_lemur__: That matches my understanding (ignoring that I don't see linux groups that way), that for a given user, they are a member of group directly, or they are a member of a group indirectly (because a group in which they are a member is a member of the indirect group) | 19:39 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | heh, that sounds different to mine but this meeting probably isn't the best time to work out if we're picturing the same thing or not; we should probably continue it later :) | 19:41 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | we only have about 20 mins left so probably best to move onto open discussion | 19:41 |
| * fungi apologizes for the tangent | 19:41 | |
| zara_the_lemur__ | #topic open discussion | 19:41 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | Now everyone can go on tangents and I won't have a vague sense of guilt :) | 19:42 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | also, goodness, I said 'probably' a lot there | 19:42 |
| diablo_rojo | probably is a good word | 19:43 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | :) | 19:43 |
| fungi | i probably agree, probably is probably a good word | 19:43 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | on that note, I will probably try to get PTG attendance sorted out this week | 19:44 |
| fungi | so i guess if we're short on other open discussion topics... gerrit's documentation has a bit to say about its group management which may be worth skimming | 19:45 |
| fungi | #link https://gerrit-review.googlesource.com/Documentation/access-control.html#_account_groups | 19:45 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | cool, thanks | 19:46 |
| fungi | it's pretty terse, but does a good job of explaining their model | 19:47 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | yeah, at a glance it looks clear | 19:49 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | anyone with any other topics? | 19:52 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | we have 8 mins | 19:52 |
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| fungi | i've got nothing else, other than a huge thank-you to everyone who works on storyboard | 19:52 |
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| fungi | you're building amazing stuff | 19:52 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | :D well, in turn I send a huge thank-you to everyone who works on the openstack infra! | 19:53 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | it's nice working on a project where review etc is so straightforward | 19:54 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | and, of course, the CI :) | 19:55 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | we have 4 mins left for everyone to compliment each other if they want | 19:56 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | 3 mins now | 19:57 |
| jeblair | zara_the_lemur__: that's some first class counting down! | 19:57 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | :D | 19:57 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | you have some excellent hats! | 19:58 |
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| zara_the_lemur__ | YOU ARE ALL FANTASTIC | 19:59 |
| zara_the_lemur__ | #endmeeting | 19:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jan 4 19:59:58 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:00 |
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| notmyname | swift team meeting time | 21:00 |
| notmyname | #startmeeting swift | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jan 4 21:00:07 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is notmyname. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'swift' | 21:00 |
| notmyname | who's here for the swift team meeting? | 21:00 |
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| kota_ | hi | 21:00 |
| pdardeau | hi | 21:00 |
| bkeller` | o/ | 21:00 |
| sgundur_ | hi | 21:00 |
| jrichli | hello | 21:00 |
| mmotiani1 | Hi | 21:00 |
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| notmyname | hmm... kinda light today :-) | 21:01 |
| notmyname | but to the faithful, welcome ;-) | 21:01 |
| nadeem | o/ | 21:01 |
| notmyname | this week I was hoping to catch up on what's going on, now that we're all back from holidays | 21:02 |
| acoles | hi, sorry for being late | 21:02 |
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| notmyname | but first, I wanted to call out donagh in the meeting and thank him for working on swift. he's moving on to other projects at HPE and will no longer be working on swift https://review.openstack.org/#/c/416577/ | 21:03 |
| notmyname | so if/when you see him around, tell him thanks and wish him well :-) | 21:03 |
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| notmyname | ok, so let's talk about what's going on | 21:04 |
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| notmyname | I'll admit I haven't completely caught up on patches since being off, so if I'm missing something that comes up, please remind me :-) | 21:04 |
| cutforth | o/ | 21:04 |
| tdasilva | hi | 21:05 |
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| notmyname | in our last meeting, I put forth a list of stuff that's being worked on that are big (either in impact or in effort) | 21:06 |
| notmyname | golang object server, global ec, composite rings, policy migration, policy auto tiering, sync to elasticsearch, container sharding, symlinks, increase part power, container sharding | 21:06 |
| notmyname | and I know there are other things going on too | 21:06 |
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| notmyname | here's what I'm working on personally, related to upstream work. I'm getting ready for a conference in two weeks (talk prep) and I'm working on an improved all-in-one environment that shoudl be really easy to consume | 21:08 |
| notmyname | i hope to be done with that relatively soon, and it will be a public tool | 21:08 |
| notmyname | so what are you working on? who's first? | 21:08 |
| notmyname | ...or second, rather | 21:09 |
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| notmyname | kota_: what's going on with you and in the NTT world? | 21:09 |
| kota_ | notmyname: ok, so you know, global ec is my first priority | 21:10 |
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| notmyname | cool. I'm excited about that :-) | 21:10 |
| kota_ | notmyname: and still waiting reviews | 21:10 |
| notmyname | how's progress? | 21:10 |
| notmyname | ok, blocked by reviews | 21:10 |
| kota_ | not so much recently | 21:10 |
| kota_ | yes | 21:10 |
| notmyname | ok | 21:10 |
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| kota_ | and the good news in the end of the last year | 21:10 |
| kota_ | is | 21:10 |
| kota_ | storlets has been openstack official | 21:11 |
| kota_ | related project to swift | 21:11 |
| jrichli | nice | 21:11 |
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| kota_ | and i has been working on some stuff on that | 21:11 |
| notmyname | cool | 21:11 |
| acoles | congrats to storlets team | 21:11 |
| kota_ | the most impressive work has been writing jupyter/ipython extension | 21:11 |
| kota_ | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/414883/ | 21:11 |
| kota_ | thanks all | 21:12 |
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| kota_ | now i'm thinking of sort of that could be used for swift too. | 21:12 |
| notmyname | fun | 21:12 |
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| notmyname | pdardeau: you're next. what's up? | 21:13 |
| kota_ | e.g. %%swift-upload container object -> upload ipython cell to swift | 21:13 |
| pdardeau | mmotiani1: and i are working on swift benchmarking | 21:13 |
| pdardeau | ramping up to 20 storage nodes with 8 HDD each | 21:13 |
| mmotiani1 | +1 | 21:14 |
| notmyname | nice | 21:14 |
| notmyname | anything upstream you're needing for that? | 21:14 |
| pdardeau | not at the moment | 21:14 |
| notmyname | ok | 21:14 |
| notmyname | bkeller`: what's up with you? frozen in chicago? | 21:15 |
| acoles | pdardeau: did you ever meet Mark Seger (in Bristol maybe?) - he has some nice tools for benchmarking/analysis | 21:15 |
| * notmyname always imagines chicago as very very cold | 21:15 | |
| bkeller` | it's 10F here today | 21:15 |
| bkeller` | nothing new for notifications yet though | 21:15 |
| pdardeau | acoles: yes, i did! thanks for reminding me. i'll look around to see what he has | 21:15 |
| acoles | pdardeau: email me if you want to connect with him, he doesn't hang out in irc | 21:16 |
| pdardeau | acoles: thx | 21:16 |
| notmyname | bkeller`: ok. what do you need from upstream? | 21:16 |
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| bkeller` | nothing yet that i know of | 21:17 |
| notmyname | ok | 21:17 |
| notmyname | jrichli: you're next | 21:17 |
| jrichli | tdasilva, timburke, and I have done some work on symlinks recently | 21:17 |
| jrichli | still more to do for sure | 21:17 |
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| jrichli | timburke left a lot of good feedback | 21:18 |
| notmyname | cool | 21:18 |
| jrichli | i uploaded a patch for api-ref docs - could use some feedback there | 21:18 |
| notmyname | ok. link? | 21:18 |
| jrichli | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/415943 | 21:18 |
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| jrichli | clayg had mentioned it would be good for us to focus on hammering the api out before we go through perfecting the impl | 21:19 |
| notmyname | yeah, I can see wisdom in that | 21:19 |
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| jrichli | and you all have prob seen in channel we are planning to have a conference call about keymaster v2 soon | 21:20 |
| acoles | jrichli: do we have a time yet? | 21:20 |
| notmyname | great | 21:20 |
| jrichli | i guess tomorrow at 14:00 UTC - although, i still have a lot to go over for myself. but i dont want to hold it up. | 21:20 |
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| notmyname | I'll look forward to hearing what you talk about | 21:21 |
| jrichli | i haven't created an invite yet. will today. let me know if you are interested - i already know about tdasilva, mahatic, acoles | 21:21 |
| jrichli | well, i call it that, but its about mathiasb current patch - oh, and he will be on the list of course :-) | 21:22 |
| notmyname | #info review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/415943 for symlink API | 21:22 |
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| acoles | specifically I want to suggest that future keymasters *only* keep config in a separate file (not in proxy-server.conf), and have others tell me I am wrong | 21:22 |
| jrichli | https://review.openstack.org/364878/ | 21:23 |
| notmyname | #info if interested, talk to jrichli about an invite to the conference call about keymaster v2 happening this week | 21:23 |
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| notmyname | jrichli: anything else? | 21:24 |
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| jrichli | that's all i have been up to lately | 21:24 |
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| notmyname | sgundur_: you're up. what are you working on this week? | 21:24 |
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| sgundur_ | notmyname : Happy new year | 21:25 |
| sgundur_ | was on vacation , got back this week | 21:26 |
| sgundur_ | been learning about EC from Nadeem | 21:26 |
| notmyname | hint: "mark all as read" is a *great* way to deal with email ;-) | 21:26 |
| sgundur_ | lol | 21:26 |
| notmyname | cool on the EC learning | 21:26 |
| sgundur_ | I am inclined to do some meaningful reviews on EC and hopefully more in furture in EC work | 21:27 |
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| notmyname | sgundur_: great. it would be helpful for you to look at kota_'s global EC patches. both to learn and for getting that landed | 21:27 |
| notmyname | sgundur_: nadeem: anything else you need from the rest of the community? | 21:28 |
| sgundur_ | yes, that's what I was thinking looking at Kota's update earlier | 21:28 |
| notmyname | wonderful. thanks | 21:28 |
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| kota_ | sgundur_: thanks ;-) | 21:28 |
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| joeljwright | Sorry I'm late! :S | 21:28 |
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| notmyname | joeljwright: no worries. welcome | 21:29 |
| notmyname | acoles: your turn. what's going on? | 21:29 |
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| acoles | notmyname: before the break I was working with Pavel on this patch https://review.openstack.org/402043 which needs to land | 21:30 |
| acoles | fixes regression in replication suffix hashing | 21:30 |
| notmyname | ah, yes. thanks for the reminder. that's a big deal | 21:31 |
| acoles | yes. | 21:31 |
| notmyname | #info please review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/402043/ to close a high priority bug | 21:31 |
| acoles | ^^ please go to a quiet place and think hard about whether we now have it right | 21:32 |
| acoles | notmyname: now getting up to speed on the keymaster/barbican patch again. | 21:32 |
| notmyname | cool | 21:32 |
| notmyname | acoles: anything else you need from upstream? | 21:32 |
| acoles | and found an ssync bug in the process :/ which I'll probably try to fix | 21:32 |
| notmyname | yay | 21:32 |
| notmyname | (sarcastically for the bug. seriously for the fix) | 21:33 |
| acoles | notmyname: not feeling any need at the moment | 21:33 |
| notmyname | ok | 21:33 |
| * acoles is grieving for donagh | 21:33 | |
| notmyname | +1 | 21:33 |
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| jrichli | +1 | 21:33 |
| joeljwright | :( | 21:33 |
| kota_ | :( | 21:34 |
| notmyname | cutforth: anything from you? are you working on anything related to upstream swift this week? | 21:34 |
| acoles | I will still pester him! | 21:34 |
| notmyname | tdasilva: your turn. what's new with you in the new year? | 21:35 |
| tdasilva | hello! just before the break i was working on the libec/pyeclib merger | 21:36 |
| notmyname | oh right! | 21:36 |
| tdasilva | I thought of two options, one was to copy files from pyeclib into libec repo and send gerrit patch | 21:36 |
| tdasilva | the other was to work with infra to merge the repos, so that way we could keep history of changes | 21:37 |
| notmyname | which way are you leaning so far? | 21:37 |
| tdasilva | I took a stab at creating a throw away repo but still need to get feedback from infra team | 21:37 |
| notmyname | ok. I'd prefer to keep the history, if possible. thanks for working on that | 21:37 |
| tdasilva | yeah, i'd like that too, will continue trying to work with the infra team, let's see... | 21:38 |
| notmyname | cool | 21:38 |
| notmyname | anything you need from the rest of the community yet? | 21:38 |
| tdasilva | over the break timburke left comments on symlink patch, so i started going through those | 21:38 |
| notmyname | ok | 21:38 |
| tdasilva | and jrichli send the api-ref patch which I still need to look over | 21:38 |
| tdasilva | hoping to send an update to symlink patch soon | 21:39 |
| notmyname | thanks | 21:39 |
| cutforth | nothing from me, thank you for asking | 21:39 |
| tdasilva | i think that's it. jrichli if you need video conf. call for tomorrow's meeting i can help | 21:40 |
| jrichli | tdasilva: ok, cool. thx | 21:40 |
| notmyname | timburke: your turn. what's up? | 21:40 |
| timburke | mostly looking at swift3 stuff | 21:40 |
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| notmyname | ok. anything blocking that you need help with? | 21:41 |
| timburke | can we clone kota_? | 21:41 |
| timburke | :P | 21:41 |
| notmyname | heh | 21:41 |
| kota_ | so my slow review blocks them, i know :/ | 21:42 |
| timburke | well, i *could* just merge them, but then i'd feel dirty | 21:42 |
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| notmyname | joeljwright: I think you're the last nick I saw come in. your turn. what's going on with you, related to swift team work? | 21:43 |
| joeljwright | I got some good feedback on the SLO preamble/postamble stuff | 21:43 |
| joeljwright | need to talk to timburke about his comments | 21:44 |
| notmyname | great | 21:44 |
| joeljwright | also, the removing slo segments patch for the client | 21:44 |
| notmyname | ah, nice | 21:44 |
| notmyname | is that up yet and I'm forgetting about it, or is it goign to be proposed? | 21:44 |
| joeljwright | which one? | 21:45 |
| notmyname | removing slo segments | 21:45 |
| joeljwright | the SLO segment removal patch had issues | 21:45 |
| timburke | ugh, that reminds me that i need to think more about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/310075/ ... | 21:45 |
| joeljwright | I'd like it fixed too, so that will be a chat with timburke | 21:45 |
| notmyname | ok | 21:45 |
| timburke | oh! "removal" -> "expiration" | 21:45 |
| notmyname | anything else from anyone? did I skip anyone or did anyone remember something else? anything else to bring up? | 21:46 |
| joeljwright | sorry - it's been a fun christmas | 21:46 |
| joeljwright | I also have a machine set up to test container sharding, but no progress yet | 21:46 |
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| notmyname | joeljwright: nice | 21:46 |
| joeljwright | will probably bug mattoliverau as soon as I have something | 21:46 |
| nadeem | Was on vacation for last few weeks. I will working on trimming feature/hummingbird branch to isolate golang replicator | 21:46 |
| pdardeau | any updates on anything golang related? | 21:47 |
| timburke | nice! i've been wanting to look at that but haven't gotten around to it | 21:47 |
| notmyname | nadeem: cool. please continue to talk with clayg about that too :-) | 21:47 |
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| nadeem | sure will do :) | 21:47 |
| notmyname | thanks | 21:47 |
| joeljwright | timburke: you got a few mins after the meeting? | 21:48 |
| timburke | yeah, definitely | 21:48 |
| notmyname | so in summary, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/402043/ needs some serious review to close a bug, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/415943 is a proposal for symlink API, and talk to jrichli if you're interested in the new keymaster call tomorrow | 21:48 |
| notmyname | if there's nothing else.... | 21:49 |
| notmyname | thanks, again, for all your work on swift | 21:49 |
| notmyname | #endmeeting | 21:49 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jan 4 21:49:43 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:49 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2017/swift.2017-01-04-21.00.html | 21:49 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2017/swift.2017-01-04-21.00.txt | 21:49 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2017/swift.2017-01-04-21.00.log.html | 21:49 |
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| ekcs | time for congress meeting. masahito thinrichs ramineni aimeeu | 23:59 |
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