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ramishra#startmeeting heat08:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Nov 30 08:00:13 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is ramishra. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.08:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.08:00
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: heat)"08:00
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'heat'08:00
ramishra#topic roll call08:00
*** openstack changes topic to "roll call (Meeting topic: heat)"08:00
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ricolino/08:01
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ramishraricolin: hmm it seems no one is around for the meeting other than we both.08:02
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tiantianhi08:02
tiantianI am here08:02
tiantian:)08:02
ricolinramishra: three of us!08:02
ramishratiantian: thanks for joining:)08:03
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ramishraso it would be quick then08:03
* Qiming is virtually here ...08:03
ramishra#topic adding items to agenda08:03
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ramishrahttps://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/HeatAgenda#Agenda_.282016-11-30_0800_UTC.2908:03
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ramishraIf anyone else has anything to discuss08:03
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ramishra#topic Clean up old patches08:04
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ramishraNot sure who added this.08:04
ricolinI do:)08:05
ramishrabut we need to clean them.08:05
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ramishrathere are plenty of patches with merge conflict.08:05
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ramishrasome from the cores also;)08:05
Qimingone thing I'm interested in is about Heat API v208:05
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ramishra#link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/heat+branch:master+age:12weeks++status:open08:05
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ramishraThis is the query with patches 12 weeks old.08:05
ricolintrue, Just think we have a lot of patch that did not working for least few monthes08:06
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ramishraCan we please abandon them or resubmit them. Else, we would be forced to abandon patches of others.08:06
ricolinI can do that:)08:07
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ramishraQiming: I think we've to postpone that when more people are around.08:07
ramishramay be next week?08:07
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Qimingthat is fine08:07
Qimingbut I really like to complain to the PTL before a bigger meeting08:07
Qiming:D08:07
ramishraor may be start a ML thread.08:08
shizhihui_ramishra,hi08:08
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ramishrayeah, complains are always welcome.08:08
shizhihui_Qiming. hi08:08
skraynevsorry, I am late08:08
Qiminghi, shizhihui_08:08
ramishrashizhihui_, skraynev hi08:08
Qimingadd that to the agenda08:08
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ramishraskraynev: np:) we don't have too many things to discuss.08:09
ramishraskraynev: I need your help in the next topic though.08:09
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ramishra#topic Liberty EOL08:09
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ramishra#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-November/107717.html08:09
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ramishrathis is a mail for EOL tagging.08:10
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ramishraWe've a few patches still with open status.08:10
ramishra#link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/heat+branch:stable/liberty+status:open08:10
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ramishraI think we should just abandon them?08:10
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ramishraLiberty gate is broken too.08:11
ramishraskraynev: you're the stable core, may be you can help?08:11
Qimingnot much you can do if the gate is broken08:11
ramishrayeah, it would take lot of time to fix and land these patches.08:12
skraynevramishra: I tend to agree with abandon08:12
Qimingdon't think they worth it08:12
ramishraNot sure if anyone has any objections.08:12
skraynevAs I remember I have seen several at least one -1 for each of these patches.08:12
ramishraskraynev: I can't abandon it(don't have stable permissions), so you can help do that.08:13
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ramishraor may be zaneb, stevebaker, shardy.08:13
therveIt doesn't look like there is anything critical in there08:13
ramishratherve: hi, yeah I agree, I wanted that requirement change to go in.08:14
ricolinI think abandon will not be a big deal here08:14
ramishrabut there seems to be multiple things broken.08:14
skraynevramishra: could you tell me the best reason for explanation in message for abandon ?08:14
ramishraskraynev: EOL tagging, gate broken?08:15
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skraynevok. We abandon this patch due to EOL for liberty and broken gate state. :)08:15
skraynevramishra: thx08:15
ramishraskraynev: thanks!08:16
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ramishraok, anything else?08:17
ramishra#topic open discussion08:17
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skraynevramishra: abandonong is done!08:18
ricolinso there will be a topic for Heat API v2 next week?:)08:18
ramishraQiming: I'll add the v2 api in the next meeting agenda.08:18
skraynev*abandoning08:18
Qimingramishra, I agree that API V2 is gonna be a big thing to discuss around the team08:18
therveQiming, Why?08:18
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Qimingbefore that, I just want to raise some awareness about this08:19
Qimingcool, we got at least one 'why' here, :)08:19
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Qimingone of the reasons is about conformance to API WG guidelines08:19
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therveDang08:20
QimingI was feeling quite some pain when adding support to Heat "resources" to openstacksdk: e.g http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/python-openstacksdk/tree/openstack/orchestration/v1/stack.py08:20
therveIf that's your number 1 priority...08:20
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Qimingpreviously, asakeld and I were on a blueprint for this: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Heat/Blueprints/V2API08:21
Qimingbesides things mentioned in the wiki above08:22
QimingI'm also thinking about API micro-versioning08:22
therveThat was like 3 years ago and nothing happened :)08:22
ramishrawhile discussing about API stuff, I have some gabbi test patches for review, if someone can find time to look at.08:23
Qimingwhat I have seen is that we kept adding/removing fields to APIs08:23
ramishrahttps://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/heat+branch:master+topic:gabbi08:23
Qimingyes, therve, asakeld's fault, not mine, :)08:23
therveQiming, Well, it's not like you implemented the changes either08:23
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Qimingright, it was never on the agenda08:24
therveWe don't have many contributors nowadays, I feel we have more important things to focus on than moving some URLs around08:24
therveBut that's just me08:24
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Qimingokay, your opinions well received, :)08:25
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ramishrayeah, we may start working on some of these things.08:26
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Qimingramishra, these changes, if we want to land them, should reside on a different endpoint08:28
Qimingwe cannot break existing users08:28
ramishraQiming: yeah08:28
therveWe mostly made a good job with that without a new API :)08:29
Qimingnot fully agree, therve08:29
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Qimingfor example, because we have stack_name in the URI, we are not supporting unicode stack names very well08:30
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therveHum okay, that's not what I was getting at08:31
therveAnyway no need to talk about that now08:31
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ramishraok, I'll add this and rolling upgrade to the topic next week.08:32
Qimingyep, complaints ended, :)08:32
ramishraHopefully we would have more people around to discuss.08:32
ramishraok, anything else?08:33
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ramishrathank you all for joining.08:34
Qimingthanks08:34
ramishra#endmeeting heat08:34
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'javascript'14:01
vkramskikhhey folks, who's here?14:01
vkramskikhcardeois, could you please lead this meeting? I didn't pay attention for the project these 2 weeks at all14:02
vkramskikh#chair cardeois14:02
openstackCurrent chairs: cardeois vkramskikh14:02
vkramskikhagenda is here https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/javascript-meeting-2016-11-30 though it's empty :(14:03
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cardeoissorry my mac crashed14:04
cardeoishi !14:04
cardeoisis anybody else than vkramskikh and me are there?14:04
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cardeois#topic Action followup: yujunz to create doc about including js-openstack-lib into existing project14:05
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vkramskikhit seems no14:05
cardeoisSo do you know if yujunz started something on this action?14:06
vkramskikhno I don't14:06
cardeoisok then next topic14:06
cardeois#topic everyone Try to unblock nova14:06
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cardeoisSo I did unblock nova14:06
cardeoisreview is here https://review.openstack.org/#/c/400785/14:07
cardeoisIt was a CORS issue on the root path. I need to make it merge14:07
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vkramskikhthat's awesome14:07
cardeoisSo if you want to +1 vkramskikh feel free :)14:08
vkramskikhyes, will review14:08
cardeoiscool thanks14:08
vkramskikhI also saw your patches https://review.openstack.org/#/c/400377/ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/370389/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/400935/ , but didn't have time to review them. I will do my best to review them until the end of this week (because I'll be on vacation for the next 2 weeks)14:08
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cardeoisSure no worries, if you want I can push some people of my team to review as a first pass14:09
cardeoisso let's talk about version discovery14:09
cardeois#topic Service version discovery14:10
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cardeoisI did open this: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/400935/14:10
cardeoisMostly because I realised on python-shade, the have 2 classes to implement keystone, one for v2, one for v314:10
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cardeoisThen they check the minor version see if it's over a compatible version14:10
cardeoisSo I though to apply the same behaviour where we set a base version (3.1) and we will support 3.2, 3.3 etc14:11
vkramskikhcool, that explanation will speed up the review :)14:11
cardeoisFor keystone what I understand is new minor version are mostly new features or feature stability14:11
cardeoisso no regression should happen14:12
cardeoisDo you think that's a good idea?14:12
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vkramskikhI think it is, we could try it and deal with possible issues once we face them14:12
cardeoisalright14:12
cardeoisyeah and if we have to support v2, that's a whole other problem we will face once we have to14:13
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cardeois#topic Open Discussion14:14
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cardeoisanything else to add?14:14
vkramskikhnothing from my side14:14
cardeoisOn my side just a follow up, I'm not giving much love to this project, mostly because I don't have much time14:14
cardeoisI guess that the case for you too14:15
vkramskikhyep :(14:15
cardeoisWe're very close to have a mvp now, mostly missing the OpenstackWrapper implementation for nova14:15
cardeoisBut after it would be nice to find new contributors if people think this project is interesting14:15
vkramskikhI hope so14:16
cardeoisThere was some interest at the OpenStack summit to have a proper JavascriptSDK, we could talk to people from shade too, I think they did a good job abstracting the different openstacks implementation (depending on which public cloud you use)14:17
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cardeoisBut yeah we would need some help on that. I'll try to push people on my team to participate (and be there at 9.00 in the morning)14:17
cardeoisThen maybe post something on #openstack-sdks14:17
vkramskikhthat would be great14:18
cardeoiscool14:18
cardeoisAlright that's it for me14:18
cardeoisthank everyone14:18
cardeoisI mean vkramskikh :)14:19
vkramskikhbye14:19
cardeois#endmeeting14:19
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smcginnis#startmeeting Cinder16:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Nov 30 16:00:01 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is smcginnis. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.16:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.16:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'cinder'16:00
smcginnisping dulek duncant eharney geguileo winston-d e0ne jungleboyj jgriffith thingee smcginnis hemna xyang1 tbarron scottda erlon rhedlind jbernard _alastor_ bluex patrickeast dongwenjuan JaniceLee cFouts Thelo vivekd adrianofr mtanino yuriy_n17 karlamrhein diablo_rojo jay.xu jgregor baumann rajinir wilson-l reduxio wanghao thrawn01 chris_morrell stevemar watanabe.isao,tommylike.hu mdovgal ildikov16:00
e0nehi16:00
jungleboyjo/16:00
winston-1o/16:00
geguileohi! o/16:00
smcginnisHey everyone16:00
xyang1hi16:00
eharneyhi16:00
viks_hi16:00
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hemnayough16:00
patrickeastHi16:00
erlon-airlonghey16:00
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smcginnis#topic Announcements16:01
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smcginnisThe usual:16:01
mdovgalhi16:01
smcginnis#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-spec-review-tracking Review focus16:01
Cibohello16:01
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smcginnisPlease pay attention to those driver patches.16:01
guyr-infinidatHi16:01
diablo_rojoHello :)16:01
scottdahi16:01
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tbarronhi16:01
erlon-airlongsmcginnis: just an explanation about the Hitachi FC CI16:02
smcginnisOther than that, I just wanted to mention the Bugsmash event is going on right now.16:02
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hemnabugsmash?16:02
erlon-airlongsmcginnis: we have 2 patches for the iSCSI and FC driver and the CI reports for both drivers16:02
smcginnisSo if you have extra cycles to review any of those bug fix patches while the event is taking place, we've got some dedicated attention right now.16:02
hemnaeveryone walks around squishing bugs outside?16:02
hemnaoh the horror16:02
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smcginnishemna: Hah16:02
e0nehemna: :)16:03
smcginnishemna: Huawei and Intel's event they sponsor each cycle. ;)16:03
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hemna:)16:03
erlon-airlongsmcginnis: so, in the first patch of the series, theres no iSCSI driver and the CI will fail16:03
scottdaAre you at the bugsmash smcginnis ? In China?16:03
smcginniserlon-airlong: But the FC one passes?16:03
hemnaerlon-airlong, urls ?16:03
smcginnisscottda: Yep16:03
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erlon-airlongsmcginnis: yes16:03
diablo_rojoscottda, Of course he is16:03
smcginniserlon-airlong: OK, that makes snese then.16:03
smcginnis*sense16:03
erlon-airlonghemna: the first driver in the etherepad16:03
smcginnisI thought at first it meant none of it would pass. THat's fine then.16:04
hemnaerlon-airlong, thanks16:04
winston-dsmcginnis: oh, so we are in same timezone now. :)16:04
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erlon-airlongsmcginnis: oh no, the FC passes in the first patch, both passes in the second16:04
smcginniswinston-d: I was going to say - I'm impressed you actually make it to these meeetings. ;)16:04
smcginniserlon-airlong: +116:05
smcginnis#topic Using py34 vs py3516:05
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smcginnisMovinng along, we have environments for both py34 and py35 in places.16:05
smcginnisI believe we are ultimately trying to get to py35.16:05
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smcginnisAnd that is what is included by defaultnow in xenial.16:05
hemnafwiw, I had to manually build py34 for ubuntu 16.04, from source16:05
eharneyis this about gate jobs?    tox -e py35 works now16:05
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smcginnisI waned to bring up the idea if we want to get rid of py34 for default local tox jobs and just do 35.16:06
Swansonhi16:06
hemnapy34 isn't available from canonical for 16.04 afaik16:06
smcginnisI would expect them to catch the same issues.16:06
hemnasmcginnis, do we still support 14.04 ?16:06
eharney3.4 is already gone from Fedora too16:06
smcginnishemna: Yep, and e=hence the point of my frustration. ;)16:06
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hemnaFYI, this works http://devmartin.com/blog/2016/04/creating-a-virtual-environment-with-python3.4-on-ubuntu-16.04-xenial-xerus/16:07
smcginnishemna: Yes, but easier to add 35 to 14 than 34 to 1616:07
hemnabut IMHO, we shouldn't have to do that unless we are still trying to support 14.0416:07
smcginnishemna: Oh, nice reference!16:07
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e0nehemna: +116:07
hemnasmcginnis, probably should ask this question in the cross project and see what other projects are doing w/ py3416:08
smcginnisI would think the 35 job would catch anything that would break in 34 in 99% of cases.16:08
smcginnishemna: Well, I wouldn't remove the gate job, just the locally run stuff.16:08
tbarronfedora25 has py34 and py35 now getting rid of py34 makes sense I think16:08
smcginnisBut in general that may be a good cross project discussion too.16:08
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smcginnisOK, I may put up a patch to remove locally run 34 stuff then since it seems most (so far) are agreeable.16:09
tbarronwas going to propose just 27 and 35 in manila once I realized xenial comes with 3516:09
mdovgali have some problems with starting tox/py35 on my local vm(16:09
smcginnistbarron: +116:09
hemnatbarron, +116:09
jungleboyjsmcginnis: I don't have any concerns.16:09
smcginnismdovgal: Have you installed 35?16:09
mdovgalp16:09
jgriffith_awaydeath to 2716:09
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smcginnisjgriffith_away: Hah!16:09
winston-dwait, we'd drop the support for 14.04?16:09
hemna:)16:09
smcginnisjgriffith: Soon if things go according to plan.16:10
diablo_rojojgriffith lol16:10
jgriffithwinston-d: no, they were asking that as a question16:10
mdovgali have 3.5.2 version with 16.04 ubuntu16:10
smcginniswinston-d: No, just py34 for non-gate tests.16:10
hemnaI wasn't suggesting it, just asking16:10
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winston-dOh, man. We've just finished upgrading from 12.04 to 14.04.16:10
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jgriffithwinston-d: :)16:10
hemnalolz16:10
smcginnisOK, well I just wanted to bring it up for now. If/when I put up a patch, feel free to express concerns on that.16:10
smcginniswinston-d: :)16:11
smcginnis#topic NEC Third party CI16:11
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smcginnisstakeda: You're up. :)16:11
stakedahi16:11
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smcginnisstakeda: Did you have a question about CI?16:11
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stakedaYes, we are testing with sandbox and it is almost done16:12
stakedais there any requirements to get approval?16:12
smcginnisstakeda: Nope, just once you think it is stable, have it start testing against the cinder patches.16:13
smcginnisstakeda: Disable reporting until you know things are working right.16:13
smcginnisstakeda: No other approval needed to have it test and comment on cinder patches.16:13
stakedaokey, i will start reporting when i think our ci is stable16:14
smcginnisOopos16:14
smcginnisSorry, terminal issues on my end.16:14
smcginnisstakeda: Great, feel free to ping us in channel if you have questions.16:15
stakedathanks16:15
jgriffithsmcginnis: You're not dieing are you?16:15
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smcginnisgeguileo: Sorry, going to give diablo_rojo a quick minute for the ptg.16:15
jgriffith"terminal issues" doesn't sound good at all16:15
geguileosmcginnis: np16:15
smcginnisjgriffith: Hah!16:15
diablo_rojosmcginnis, please dont die16:16
smcginnis#topic PTG announcement16:16
* jungleboyj would be sad16:16
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smcginnisdiablo_rojo: OK, have at it.16:16
diablo_rojoSo, as of now we only have like a few CInder people registered16:16
erlon-airlongdiablo_rojo: do you have numbers?16:16
diablo_rojoPrices are gonna go up sometime in January just a heads up, but what I'm wondering is what is holding people back?16:16
* smcginnis imagines four of us sitting in a ballroom playing cards16:16
diablo_rojo6 cinder people have registered16:17
scottdaI don't have approval from my company yet16:17
diablo_rojoameade, smcginnis patrickeast eharney dulek  and jungleboyj16:17
xyangdiablo_rojo: I registered too16:17
diablo_rojoscottda, I figured that was the case for you and hemna16:17
diablo_rojoOh yes16:17
erlon-airlongdiablo_rojo: scottda: same16:17
diablo_rojoxyang, you were under manila and CInder16:17
diablo_rojosorry :)16:17
* jungleboyj didn't have approval. :-)16:17
xyangdiablo_rojo: no problem:)16:18
diablo_rojojungleboyj is a rebel16:18
diablo_rojoSo, jgriffith ?16:18
jgriffithdiablo_rojo: I wasn't able to get the registration to work when I tried it... haven't tried again lately16:18
diablo_rojoIt should be good now16:18
erlon-airlongdiablo_rojo: how many people used to attend the midcicle?16:18
jgriffithdiablo_rojo: I'll give it a go after the meeting16:18
jgriffithdiablo_rojo: thanks!16:18
scottdaerlon-airlong: 20-2516:18
diablo_rojojgriffith, sweet, I'll bring the skateboard16:18
jungleboyjWhat scottda said.  :-)16:18
smcginnisPlease harass your management to get approval. For it to be successful we need folks there.16:19
diablo_rojosmcginnis, +116:19
erlon-airlongscottda: hmm, Id say we can spect the same number in the PTG?16:19
jungleboyjOr be a rebel16:19
diablo_rojoTHere is also a travel support program you can take advantage of16:19
diablo_rojoerlon-airlong, yeah thats the hope16:19
e0neI didn't have approval yet too:(16:19
smcginnis(or we can all meetup up in Ft Collins on our own)16:19
Cibois it about some sort of an event?16:19
* smcginnis i kidding16:19
* smcginnis is mostly kidding16:19
diablo_rojoe0ne, you can apply for the TSP and if you dont get funding you can have that as a backup16:19
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scottdaHa. Ft Collins is Cold in Jan16:19
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diablo_rojoe0ne, and if you do get funding you can just let them give it to someone else16:20
erlon-airlongCibo: yes, it a design meeting16:20
diablo_rojoscottda, cold? Not like MN16:20
e0nediablo_rojo: thanks for the hint16:20
mtaninoCibo: https://www.openstack.org/ptg/#tab_faq16:20
smcginnis#link http://www.openstack.org/ptg PTG Info16:20
scottdaCold, but Sunny16:20
diablo_rojoe0ne, no problem :)16:20
diablo_rojoscottda, and hemna go harass managers :)16:20
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xyangdiablo_rojo: travel support seems to be difficult to get?  hemna said he didn't get approved last time16:20
jgriffithdiablo_rojo: I'll bring mine :)  https://www.muirskate.com/photos/products/2352/product_Comet_TMKF__set_.png16:21
diablo_rojoSo far there have only been 27 requests for the PTG16:21
diablo_rojojgriffith, Oh please do :)16:21
SwansonPresumably mid cycle attendance is a leading indicator of corporate support.16:21
hemnaoh yah ptg...16:21
diablo_rojoxyang, they have more spots for this than they did for the summit16:21
xyangdiablo_rojo: ok, thanks16:22
diablo_rojoxyang, no problem :)16:22
smcginnisdiablo_rojo: OK, let's move on. Thanks!16:22
diablo_rojoso, moral of the story, GO REGISTER FOR THE PTG16:22
diablo_rojoAll done :)16:22
diablo_rojoThanks smcginnis :)16:22
smcginnis#link Replication patches16:22
smcginnisdiablo_rojo: Thanks.16:22
Cibo1 sec16:22
smcginnisgeguileo: OK, all yours.16:22
Cibosmall talk aboun JovianDSS16:23
geguileothanks16:23
geguileoI wanted to report the progress on the replication stuff we discussed in Barcelona.16:23
geguileoThere are now a good number of patches up for review (bug fixes, specs, devref update) with only the Secondary Promotion left to do.16:23
smcginnisCibo: We can talk about it at the end of the agenda.16:23
Cibook16:23
hemnaregistering costs money16:23
hemnaso, it's not as simple as that16:23
geguileoThey are all in order in the etherpad: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-spec-review-tracking16:23
smcginnisgeguileo: Great, that really helps.16:23
* hemna frowns on making devs pay to attend a meeting about an open source project16:23
patrickeastgeguileo: awesome!16:23
geguileoThe secondary promotion will get a little delayed because I have to get back to the A/A patches16:24
geguileoThat was mostly it, let people know they are there, including the freeze mechanism fix16:24
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geguileoAnd I would also like to beg for reviews on the RBD replication patch, that got FFE approved and still has no core reviews: https://review.openstack.org/33356516:25
geguileopleaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaase16:25
smcginnisgeguileo: Is that on the etherpad?16:25
smcginnis:)16:25
geguileosmcginnis: yes16:25
smcginnisgeguileo: OK, great.16:25
geguileoIt would be "fun" if I had to request another FFE in this cycle for the same patch16:25
geguileolol16:25
e0negeguileo: I'm going to test it again this week16:25
geguileoe0ne: Thanks!!16:26
patrickeastgeguileo: I'd you want I can maybe help with the promotion stuff, I've got that on my backlog to improve too16:26
geguileopatrickeast: That would be great!16:26
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smcginnisgeguileo: Want to move into the next topic?16:26
geguileopatrickeast: We can discuss it in the cinder channel16:26
geguileosmcginnis: Sure16:26
patrickeastgeguileo: sounds good16:26
smcginnis#topic Failure codes16:26
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smcginnis#link https://github.com/openstack/api-wg/blob/master/guidelines/http.rst#failure-code-clarifications Failure guidelines16:27
geguileoSo we are not following the HTTP guidelines16:27
geguileoIn terms of failure codes16:27
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geguileoAnd in this review https://review.openstack.org/40194116:27
smcginnisTricky thing now is we need to microversion it to change it. :/16:27
geguileoIt was asked, do we really want to make all the changes required to adhere to it?16:27
erlon-airlonggeguileo: what is the backward  compatibility issues we can have if we change?16:27
smcginnisToo bad we didn't identify this before creating v3.16:28
geguileoerlon-airlong: It's mosly returning 400 instead of 40416:28
erlon-airlonggeguileo: can we return both? :)16:28
scottdageguileo: I think we should move in the direction of adhering to the guidelines16:28
geguileoAnd returning 403 instead of 41316:28
eharneywe should just do what the api-wg documents as the right thing16:28
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geguileoI think16:28
e0neerlon-airlong: no16:28
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geguileoerlon-airlong: XD XD XD16:28
geguileoerlon-airlong: That would be great, but like e0ne said, it's not possible16:29
e0neeharney: I agree with you. we should follow api-wg guidelines16:29
erlon-airlonge0ne: geguileo: my concern is people that have scripts based on that16:29
eharneyerlon-airlong: that's solved by microversions16:29
geguileoerlon-airlong: I know, that's always the main problem  :-(16:29
scottdaerlon-airlong: We will microversion the changes. Old scripts will still work.16:29
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geguileoeharney: Yup16:29
scottdadon't ask for new microversion, you get the old return codes.16:29
erlon-airlongeharney: hmmm, so, that solve the problem16:29
geguileoWe can try to gather all related changes into the same microversion to limit the crazyness of it all16:29
scottdaDo ask for new microversion, you get New return codes16:29
scottdageguileo: About how many changes are there?16:30
smcginnisgeguileo: +116:30
geguileoscottda: Right now only 116:30
erlon-airlonggeguileo: yeah one patch for all change16:30
geguileoscottda: But we can add all other changes to that one16:30
erlon-airlonggeguileo: is there any changes in the CLI?16:30
geguileoAnd for the Quota stuff I think it will be mostly just changing the conde in the exception16:30
geguileo(although I haven't checked it)16:31
geguileoerlon-airlong: I don't think it should16:31
geguileoerlon-airlong: Because the CLI usually just returns whatever error it gets16:31
geguileoI don't think we are doing fancy stuff with status codes 404 or 41316:31
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geguileoBut it would also be solved with microversions if a change is required16:32
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erlon-airlonggeguileo: yeap16:32
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geguileoSo we all agree we should try to adhere to the guidelines16:32
scottda+116:32
smcginnisgeguileo: Sounds good to me.16:32
winston-d+116:32
geguileoAnd group patches to limit the number of microversions?16:32
smcginnis+116:33
e0ne+116:33
jungleboyj+116:33
patrickeast+116:33
erlon-airlonggeguileo: +116:33
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geguileoOK, I'll add it as a comment to the patch16:33
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smcginnisgeguileo: Thanks!16:33
erlon-airlonggeguileo: I vote for 1 patch that does all changes and mv bump16:33
geguileoAnd ask DuncanT to remove his -216:33
jgriffithmeh; I'm kinda with DuncanT WRT not seeing much value in changing but oh well16:34
geguileojgriffith: Yeah, I don't have a strong opinion on this one16:34
geguileojgriffith: That's why I wanted to gather everyones opinion16:35
mdovgalerlon-airlong, +116:35
jgriffithgeguileo: yeah, good call!16:35
geguileosmcginnis: next topic?16:35
geguileo;-)16:35
smcginnis#topic IBMStorage Driver Update16:36
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jungleboyjHey!16:36
smcginnisjungleboyj: ringleader?16:36
jungleboyjsmcginnis: Yes, that is me.16:36
jungleboyjSo, we now have the XCLI library for talking to XIV out in pypi .16:36
smcginnisNice!16:36
erlon-airlongjungleboyj: links?16:37
jungleboyjWe are working very hard to get the opensourced code for the driver pushed out later today or for sure this week so we can start reviews.16:37
jungleboyjhemna: Do you the link to pypi handy?16:37
scottda#link https://pypi.python.org/pypi/pyxcli/1.1.016:37
jungleboyjscottda: Thanks!16:37
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jungleboyjCan we get the driver added to the review focus list one we have it pushed up?16:38
smcginnisjungleboyj: Sure, that would be good.16:38
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jungleboyjsmcginnis: Cool.16:38
smcginnisjungleboyj: Thanks to IBM for changing that.16:39
jungleboyjSo, otherwise, just a heads up that we have gotten through the legal issues and are working to get the code there as fast as possible given the limited runway.16:39
jungleboyjObviously CI has already been there and shouldn't be a blocker.16:39
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jungleboyjAny questions?16:40
* jgriffith cough cough cough16:40
smcginnisI'm good.16:40
jungleboyjjgriffith: Yes sir?16:40
jgriffithoh nuthin16:40
* jungleboyj laughs. Ok.16:40
smcginnisjungleboyj: OK, thanks.16:41
jungleboyjsmcginnis: Thank you!16:41
smcginnis#topic Open discussion16:41
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erlon-airlongCibo: ?16:41
Cibo #topic JovianDSS Driver Update16:41
smcginnisCibo: You wanted to bring up omething?16:41
smcginnis*something16:41
Ciboso I have driver code almost done16:42
Ciboand CI that is posting to http://openstack-ci-logs-open-e.s3-website-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/logs16:42
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Ciboas I see I need to fix what is left and start to leave comments on gerrit16:43
Ciboany notice, advises...16:43
Cibocode review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/399967/16:44
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e0neCibo: you patch still doesn't pass pep8 checks :(16:45
xyangCibo: please add unit tests too16:46
smcginnisCibo: Also needs a release note.16:46
Ciboe0ne: yep, I have changed options name and now as I see I have to update by hands options file16:46
Cibocinder/opts.py if I am write16:47
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e0neCibo: please, take a look on http://docs.openstack.org/developer/hacking/. you've got some imports that don't follow guidelines16:47
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smcginnisCibo: The opts.py file gets updated by running tox -e genopts.16:48
smcginnisCibo: To be honest, this is looking more likely for Pike. But if you can address all issues, there's still some time.16:48
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Cibosmcginnis: I am really tending to do it all in time16:49
smcginnisCibo: Good luck.16:49
smcginnisAny other topics?16:49
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smcginnisGoing once..16:50
smcginnisGoing twice..16:51
smcginnisOK, thank you everyone.16:51
e0nesee you next week16:51
Swansontoodles16:51
smcginnis#endmeeting16:51
viks_+116:51
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winston-dthank you!16:51
openstackMeeting ended Wed Nov 30 16:51:40 2016 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)16:51
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jungleboyjThanks!16:51
winston-dsmcginnis: and good night!16:51
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smcginniswinston-d: Thanks, you too! :)16:52
xyangsmcginnis: enjoy the warm weather there:)16:52
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smcginnisxyang: That part is quite nice compared to MN.16:52
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jungleboyj:-)16:52
xyang:)16:52
jungleboyjsmcginnis: You are missing horrible gloomy days here.16:52
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smcginnisjungleboyj: :)16:53
jungleboyjLucky guy.16:53
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bh526r#startmeeting gluon18:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Nov 30 18:00:22 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is bh526r. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.18:00
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openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.18:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'gluon'18:00
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bh526rhello guys18:00
krenczewskiHi18:00
jinliHi all18:00
jinli#info JinLi18:00
bh526r#topic Roll Call18:01
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bh526rthank you Jin18:01
bh526r#info Bin Hu18:01
krenczewski#info Kamil Renczewski18:01
bh526rHi Kamil18:01
krenczewskiSorry I couldn't attend yesterday18:02
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bh526rNo problem18:02
bh526r#topic  Admin Update18:03
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bh526r#info No admin update from my side.18:03
bh526r#topic Gluon Tasks18:03
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bh526r#info Our task list for Ocata release is in our wiki: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Gluon/Tasks-Ocata18:04
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bh526r#info Original discussion etherpad during Design Summit in Barcelona is at: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ocata-gluon-work-plan18:05
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bh526r#info The etherpad during joint Nova-Neutron session is at: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ocata-nova-neutron-session18:05
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bh526r#info All of the work is along with the task list18:06
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bh526r#topic Status Update18:06
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bh526r#info There have been about 9 outstanding patches in review since our last meeting18:07
bh526r#info Now we are progressing in 7 areas18:07
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bh526r#info Task "Service Binding Model Proposal" based on approve BP https://blueprints.launchpad.net/python-gluon/+spec/port-service-binding-model, tracked by PM tool https://jira.opnfv.org/browse/NETREADY-39.18:09
bh526r#info There were 3 patches for this task:18:09
bh526r#info Patch 1: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/392250/18:09
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bh526r#info Patch 2: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/395738/18:10
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bh526r#info There were many comments in review.18:11
bh526r#info Patch authors Georg (392250) and Tom (395738) took those comments, and jointly submitted a new patch18:11
bh526r#info Patch 3 https://review.openstack.org/#/c/400012/ jointly by authors of 392250 and 39573818:12
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bh526r#info 400012 was approved and merged on Monday. 392250 and 395738 were abandoned18:13
bh526r#info Patch 400012 will serve as the baseline of service binding model, and more work is expected, such as formal definition of parameters etc, as I indicated in review approval18:14
bh526r#info Task "Authentication and Access Control" based on approved BP https://blueprints.launchpad.net/python-gluon/+spec/gluon-auth.18:15
bh526r#info it is tracked by 2 JIRAs: https://jira.opnfv.org/browse/NETREADY-47 and https://jira.opnfv.org/browse/NETREADY-4818:16
bh526r#info Kamal submitted a patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/398577/18:16
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bh526r#info It is under review, and there have been comments as of this morning18:17
bh526r#info It is expected that Kamal will take into consideration those comments, and submit a new patchset for further review18:18
bh526r#info Task "Support of Multiple YAMLs / Proton APIs" is based on approved BP https://blueprints.launchpad.net/python-gluon/+spec/multiple-api-support, and tracked by JIRA https://jira.opnfv.org/browse/NETREADY-58.18:19
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bh526r#info The code patch is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/399051/18:20
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bh526r#info The code was approved and merged on Monday18:20
bh526r#info Task "OpenContrail's Mechanism Driver" is based on approved BP https://blueprints.launchpad.net/python-gluon/+spec/gluon-contrail-integration18:22
bh526r#info Kamil submitted a patch "https://review.openstack.org/#/c/402071/"18:22
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bh526r#info There was a comment regarding it is a mechanism driver, and the code might not belong to Gluon repo18:23
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bh526rKamil, since you are here, I think the question is that: because it is a mechanism driver, when it is deployed with OpenStack, you need to modify neutron.conf, right?18:24
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krenczewskiIf openstack is configured with ML2 plugin enabled, then I need to add an entry point for this mechanism driver18:25
krenczewskiand modify ml2.ini18:25
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krenczewskiI think than I don't need to modify neutron.conf, but I am not 100% sure right now18:25
krenczewskiI need to double check this18:26
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bh526rOK, I see. So at least you need to modify ml2.ini, and possibly neutron.conf18:26
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bh526rIn Gluon's circumstance, we extended core ML2 plugin, and modify neutron.conf so that core plugin's entry point is Gluon's Extended ML2 Plugin.18:28
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krenczewskiI need to modify: /etc/neutron/plugins/ml2/ml2_conf.ini file18:28
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krenczewskiand also add entry to /opt/stack/neutron/neutron.egg-info/entry_points.txt18:28
bh526rI see. which line / config parameter in ml2_conf.ini?18:29
krenczewskiI don't need to modify neutron.conf18:29
bh526rGreat.18:29
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krenczewskiIn section [ml2] I need to add my mechnosm driver to option "mechanism_drivers"18:30
bh526rI see.18:30
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jinliBin please have someone take a look at 39393518:30
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krenczewskiAnd of course after this I need to restart Neutron service18:31
jinliI make new patch to fix pep8 issue18:31
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bh526rSo when integrating with current Gluon, your change in ml2_conf.ini should transparently work with Gluon's change in neutron.conf, right?18:31
bh526rI assume your current deployment testing is in this way, right?18:32
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krenczewskiyes18:32
bh526rJin, we will talk about testing after we finish this Contrail topic18:32
bh526rGreat, Kamil.18:32
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bh526rSo we don't need to worry about and maintain Contrail's mechanism driver code, and those 2 configuration changes will work together just as-is.18:33
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krenczewskiyes18:33
bh526rI am very happy to hear this.18:34
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bh526rUnder this circumstance, do you feel we need to merge Contrail's mechanism driver code to Gluon repo? Or is it better to maintain it in Contrail's own repo?18:34
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krenczewskiI am not sure.18:35
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krenczewskiI think that Nachi should answer this question18:35
bh526rThen it is will be deployment / installer's work to fetch those repos respectively.18:35
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krenczewskiI think that this is possible18:36
bh526rSounds good. Let me ask Nachi, and also get input from Ian (devstack installer), Georg (Apex installer), Niko (Fuel installer) etc.18:36
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bh526rThen based on input from all of them, we can find the best way.18:37
krenczewskiOK, great.18:37
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bh526r#info In order to use Contrail's Mechanism Driver in OpenStack, we need to modify: /etc/neutron/plugins/ml2/ml2_conf.ini file18:39
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bh526r#info and also add entry to /opt/stack/neutron/neutron.egg-info/entry_points.txt18:39
bh526r#info In section [ml2] we need to add my mechnosm driver to option "mechanism_drivers"18:40
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bh526r#info But we don't need to modify neutron.conf for Contrail's Mechanism Driver18:41
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bh526r#info On the other hand, we need to modify neutron.conf so that it points to Gluon's Extended ML2 Plugin which subclasses/wraps original core ML2 Plugin code18:42
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bh526r#info So Gluon's Extended ML2 Plugin and Contrail's Mechanism Driver are independent18:43
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bh526r#info Making both changes in neutron.conf for Gluon and changes in ml2_conf.ini and entry_points.txt will make Gluon work with Contrail through original Neutron's ML2 Plugin18:44
bh526r#info In another word, those 2 configurations change will work together seamlessly and transparently as is18:45
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bh526r#info This has been verified by Kamil in his deployment of Contrail with Gluon18:45
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bh526r#info Regarding which repo Contrail's Mechanism Driver belongs to, Bin will communicate with Nachi, and installer assignees (Ian of devstack, Georg of Apex and Niko of Fuel) to get their input, and find the best way of hosting Contrail Mechanism Driver code as well as considering installer support18:47
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bh526rKamil, anything else you want to add to my summary above?18:48
krenczewskiI think that is all.18:49
bh526rThank you Kamil18:49
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bh526r#info Task "https://jira.opnfv.org/browse/NETREADY-50" is tracked by JIRA https://jira.opnfv.org/browse/NETREADY-5018:49
krenczewskiThanks18:50
bh526r#info Sorry, Task "Testing" is tracked by JIRA https://jira.opnfv.org/browse/NETREADY-5018:50
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bh526r#info Patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/388821/ and patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/393935/18:50
bh526rJin?18:51
jinliyes18:51
jinlisorry, didn't know you are talking with Kamil18:51
bh526r#info Jin has fixed PEP8 issue in patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/393935/18:52
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bh526rCan Ian and Paul take a look at this patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/393935/ again at your earliest convenience?18:54
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bh526rJin, anything else from you?18:55
jinlino, that's it18:56
jinlithanks18:56
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bh526rOK.18:56
bh526r#info There is another patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/395031/ of developer documentation based on code18:56
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bh526r#info Because the code has been changed rapidly, Darla will update it18:57
bh526r#topic AOB18:57
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bh526rAnything else from anyone?18:58
bh526rIf nothing else, let's adjourn the meeting18:58
bh526r#info Noe18:58
bh526r#info None18:58
bh526r#info Meeting adjourned18:58
bh526rThank you Kamil, Jin and everyone18:59
bh526r#endmeeting18:59
krenczewskiThank you18:59
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bh526rBye all18:59
krenczewskiBye18:59
Zaraanybody about for the StoryBoard meeting?19:00
* fungi lurks as usual19:00
Zarahey there! :)19:00
fungii actually have reminders set up so i remember this is going on19:00
Zarasotk's on holiday today so he'll probably be away19:00
Zaraso this could be the least exciting week to have a reminder for...19:01
Zara#startmeeting storyboard19:01
openstackMeeting started Wed Nov 30 19:01:15 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is Zara. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.19:01
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.19:01
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'storyboard'19:01
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Zara#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/StoryBoard#Agenda_for_next_meeting19:01
Zaranothing in announcements or urgent items19:01
Zara#topic In-Progress Work19:01
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Zarawe merged the css fix19:02
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Zarathat stops board cards from appearing 'weird'19:02
Zarafor want of a more precise explanation19:02
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Zaraand as mentioned, SotK's on holiday, so we'll get any updates on permissions for teams next week19:03
Zara#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/400381/ still awaits reviews19:03
Zarawhich is the patch to change the 'stories' icon from 3 lines (similar to 'tasks' icon) to a little book19:03
Zaraas suggested by SpamapS19:04
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ZaraI have not got around to updating any more webclient components this week; instead, I have been busy with a thing19:04
Zarathat we will come onto in Discussion19:04
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fungiunder in-progress work, consider https://review.openstack.org/395116 in search of reviews19:05
fungi#link https://review.openstack.org/395116 remove or adopt incubated oslo code19:05
Zaraah, thank-you!19:05
ZaraI've been meaning to get to that and keep forgetting about it19:05
fungiit's the last in a set of 4 changes to get the sb repos in compliance with the tc's only cross-project goal for this cycle19:05
Zarayep, I should get to it this week19:06
fungithe other 3 already merged quickly (thanks to those who reviewed those!)19:06
Zarathanks for reminding me19:06
fungionce that merges i'll check us off the pending completion list in governance19:07
Zarawoop, feel free to pester me if I haven't got to it by the end of the week19:07
Zarait should be fine, but since oslo code is used more heavily there, I wanted to spend time checking19:07
Zarathen forgot I hadn't done it yet19:08
Zaradoes anyone have any other in-progress work to discuss?19:08
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fungi*crickets*19:09
Zarain that case...19:09
Zara#topic Discussion19:09
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Zaraso, we chatted a bit about this last week19:09
Zarafor anyone who missed the logs, we want to put together some materials19:10
Zarathat explain some of the concepts in storyboard19:10
Zaraand how they relate to things people are already familiar19:10
Zarawith19:10
Zarain other task-tracking systems19:10
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Zarabased on various feedback and questions we've had so far.19:11
Zarato that end, we're doing a blog!19:11
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fungiooh!19:11
fungiwe can probably syndicate it onto planet.openstack.org too19:11
Zarayep! so last week, I said I'd get some hacky infra up to start with, that can hopefully be replaced with something nicer, but will allow us to mock things up.19:12
ZaraI've done that, and it's hideous, but....19:12
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Zarahttps://zarathecat.github.io/storyboard-blog/ is the preview19:12
diablo_rojo_phonSince my computer is being stupid...19:12
Zarahi!19:13
diablo_rojo_phonSmart phones FTW?19:13
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diablo_rojo_phonIrc client decided to rebel right at meeting time.19:13
Zara:) hah, we just got onto discussing blogness, so good timing!19:13
fungi#link https://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/openstack-planet/tree/planet.ini planet.openstack.org configuration19:13
fungifor when you're ready19:13
diablo_rojo_phonAnywho. Sorry to interrupt.19:13
Zarafungi: thank you!19:13
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Zaraso yeah, the hacky thing I put up is built from pelican and hosted via github pages. I'd prefer very different hosting for an 'official' thing19:15
Zarathe config and content are here: https://github.com/Zarathecat/storyboard-blog19:15
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Zaraso should be very easy to port somewhere else19:15
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diablo_rojo_phonGood work throwing something together so quickly.19:16
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Zarathe template is also very close to one of the defaults, so I'd like to make that a bit less shameless...19:16
Zarabut yeah, hopefully it's enough to work with19:17
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Zarahello double diablo_rojo!19:17
diablo_rojoHa ha success at alast19:18
diablo_rojo*at last19:18
Zara:)19:18
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fungidiablo_rojo: i notice the off-list "Migration from Launchpad" temperature taking thread produced some useful feedback and seems to have died down. are you working on a synopsis yet or still trying to elicit more feedback first? just curious19:19
diablo_rojoI was going to respond to the list again and ask if the PTL's could designate their bug czars so that we could get feedback from them and make a list of the feedback we have currently from the PTLS19:20
diablo_rojoon my todo list for today/tomorrow19:20
diablo_rojofungi, Thank you btw for fielding most of the questions and contestations19:20
fungicool, it wasn't clear to me if, e.g., auggy had seen any of it yet19:20
diablo_rojoYeah she definitely is on my list of people to chat with too.19:21
diablo_rojoI figured Matt would defer to her19:21
fungidiablo_rojo: my pleasure. i figured i have a little more background with the current state there and didn't want you stuck having to dig up answers while you're still coming up to speed19:21
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diablo_rojofungi, you were definitely a lifesaver19:22
diablo_rojoI had thought about ccing Zara and SotK on it too so maybe I will do that with the next round of emails.19:23
fungiyeah, i mainly don't want them to feel like they have to field all of the raw feedback19:23
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fungiso getting it distilled to something actionable first is a good way to not waste their time19:24
diablo_rojofungi, That was my hesitation too.19:24
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fungimost of the discussion was dispelling myths about storyboard, launchpad, defect and task tracking in general, et cetera19:24
diablo_rojoWell, if you're cool with continuing to help answer the things I can't then maybe I will just keep it to you and me and thierry for now19:25
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Zaraah, at the moment I'm interested in reading, but intend to lurk more than field.19:25
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fungii have no problem with you being cc'd, just don't want you to feel like it's your responsibility to keep up with it much less respond to all of it19:25
fungii'm perfectly fine taking point along with ttx on explaining why this move will be good for everyone in the end19:26
diablo_rojoZara, if you wanna see I can fw you things. Is there an etherpad started somewhere of a roadmap of things to implement?19:26
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diablo_rojofungi, Cool. Might just stick to that then.19:27
fungiand linking various parts of teh sb documentation that show the features people are requesting mostly already exist19:27
Zarafungi: sure, that works for me! :) it's mainly useful so I have a frame of reference if someone turns up in-channel with questions, or if I'm aware of something but didn't announce it loud enough at some point, I can quietly point you/ttx/diablo_rojo at it.19:28
diablo_rojoSweet :)19:28
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diablo_rojoSo what needs to happen to push that blog forward?19:30
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Zarathe main thing would be some content; I think ttx wanted to write the first post. We could also do with a real domain for it.19:31
fungiif there's an openstack.org dns name you want that's not already taken, i'm happy to set that up and point it wherever19:32
fungijust give me a heads up. only takes a few seconds19:32
diablo_rojoOh nice. Okay Zara, what shall we name it?19:33
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Zara'storyboard-blog' is the working title19:33
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Zara(the other thing is to get it off gh-pages and onto non-proprietary infra that plays more nicely with pelican, but that's not a blocker)19:34
diablo_rojoHa ha I can see if ttx has an opinion on what it should be called. fungi any ideas?19:35
diablo_rojoI'll have to ask him tomorrow though19:35
Zarasure19:35
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Zaracould call it boringstories19:36
fungii have a general no-bikeshedding policy. saves my time and sanity19:36
Zara:)19:36
fungii'm fine with whatever others come up with there19:36
Zarabut we haven't even discussed fonts yet19:36
fungiyou want jeblair for any typesetting bikeshed19:37
diablo_rojoZara, YES19:37
diablo_rojoFONTS!19:37
Zarawhat have I done19:37
jeblaircomic sans ftw19:37
Zara=D it's actually my favourite font; I'm not sure I'm human.19:38
jeblairand papyrus for titles19:38
diablo_rojoZara, did you see the weird font I have for the text on my phone? Its beautiful :)19:39
diablo_rojojeblair, +119:39
clarkbI just did a console install of pfsense last night19:39
clarkbthe installer asked me what font I wanted for a console thing19:39
Zarahahaha19:39
clarkbI had like 100 choices too, it was a bit overwhelming19:39
diablo_rojoHa ha ha and fonts is what gets people talking.19:39
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fungiclarkb: i think that's standard to the *bsd installers19:39
* clarkb stops distracting meeting now19:39
clarkbfungi: nice!19:39
diablo_rojoclarkb, the struggle is real19:39
Zaraoh, I like it when the meetings get distracted19:39
Zara(but yeah, I think we have an idea of what we want in the first three posts (as seen in the hacky thing I linked), so then someone just has to write them, dohoho)19:40
fungiclarkb: fwiw debian sort of does that too if you use the expert install with a framebuffer19:40
jeblairwe should totally start a cross-project font team19:40
ZaraI love typing on a terminal in ubuntu just to experience the font19:40
Zaraso +1 to that19:41
diablo_rojojeblair, such good ideas19:41
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Zara#topic Open Discussion19:42
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SpamapSo/19:42
SpamapSSo..19:42
SpamapSI am going to try and get these recorded in a useful place19:42
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SpamapSBut here is the idea I have for workboards.19:43
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SpamapS* I want to be able to have a workboard that automatically contains all items from one tag. However, I want to manually manage which lane every item is in.19:43
jeblair++ that seems like the missing link for me19:44
SpamapSThis is because as much as I like the idea of an automatic workboard with task statuses, there are things I want to represent in workboards that aren't task status (like, "blocked on <insert human>") so I can measure peoples' backlog.19:44
Zaraah, so filters for boards, interesting.19:44
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Zara:)19:45
SpamapSSo what I'd love is that the workboard just always puts anything I haven't manually placed, in the first lane.19:45
SpamapSI'll write this up as a spec19:45
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SpamapSI promise19:45
SpamapS:)(19:45
SpamapSsecond idea19:45
fungiSpamapS: you would want the tasks from tagged stories auto-added? or you want task-level granularity for tags? (i think the latter is missing right now?)19:45
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SpamapS* Make the links to stories/tasks on workboards _links to stories and tasks_. Right now they open a little pane to the story/task, which means I can't just hover over the links and see story/task numbers.19:46
jeblairi think tasks from tagged stories would be sufficient19:46
fungiyeah, that seems like a fairly incremental step based on the current data model19:46
SpamapSfungi: I would want the tasks from tagged stories auto-added. That way I have _one_ board that is "all the tasks for tag X"19:47
fungicool, just making sure19:47
SpamapSI'd also accept the current plan for automatic boards with task status as lanes if we could add some task statuses, like 'blocked'.19:48
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SpamapSFinally...19:48
SpamapS* Can haz names for projects instead of #'s?19:48
fungii thought that already got implemented19:48
jeblairis there current wip on "the current plan for automatic boards with task status as lanes" ?19:48
SpamapSstoryboard.openstack.org/p/zuul  would be really nice rather than /p/67919:49
SpamapSand second19:49
SpamapS* Can haz links for searches?19:49
SpamapSjeblair: I believe there's a spec for that plan.19:49
mordredall use cases should start with "can haz"19:49
diablo_rojomordred, +119:49
SpamapS"Az a cat, can haz.." is the new story model.19:51
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Zaraso for tags at the task-level, there's no wip but I think we knew how we were going to do it. for cards-as-links, this is a bit of a 'different people want the exact opposite thing'; the panes arose as a result of complaints about the links (it's a pain if you click a link by accident)19:52
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fungii'm failing now to find where we were tracking the friendly project urls bit19:52
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fungicoulda sworn that's come up regularly19:53
jeblairdr jeblair says "if it hurts to click the links by accident, don't click the links by accident"19:53
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Zarawell, you manually move cards via drag and drop, so it can happen pretty easily19:54
Zaraso ideally there's some other way to get numbers to display for those19:55
jeblairso maybe a smaller direct-link icon or something?19:55
fungi#link https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/107 Storyboard should have human readable urls19:55
fungiSpamapS: ^ that was it19:55
fungii guess that one's not implemented yet19:55
Zarayeah, project urls aren't words yet19:56
Zaramore js experts would be handy for that ;)19:56
Zaralinks for searches are in-progress19:56
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ZaraSotK's reworking some patches for those19:56
fungifwiw, gerrit only semi-recently implemented names-instead-of-numbers for their group management urls19:57
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fungithey still default to using the integer index id but accept and translate group names in their place19:57
fungiwhich is super handy19:58
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jeblairhuh -- for the idea of a fully automatic board -- well, you can already create a board with a bunch of automatic lanes -- are we just missing the ability to add a filter that says "match *tasks* for a *story* tag?"19:59
fungithere seems to be an assumption on the part of a lot of webui designers these days that users don't compose/edit their own urls19:59
Zarajeblair: yeah, that was our understanding of it at least19:59
Zaraso it's not a very big thing20:00
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jeblairyeah, that's a lot closer than i thought20:00
fungilooks like we're at time20:00
Zaraah, thanks20:00
Zara#endmeeting20:00
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SpamapSty!!20:00
fungithanks for chairing, Zara!20:00
ekhugen_alt#startmeeting wos-mentoring20:01
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ekhugen_altHi, who's here for the mentoring meeting?20:01
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aimeeuHi all. I'm on mobile so limited a bit in my typing20:01
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MeganRHi20:02
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ekhugen_altdiablo_rojo or carolbarrett are you on?20:02
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diablo_rojoekhugen_alt, here :)20:03
ekhugen_altI received emails from Kendall and Carol, so I'm assuming they're going to join20:03
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ekhugen_altso as we're typing I'm finally sending out the match emails20:04
ekhugen_alt#topic New Matches20:04
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ekhugen_altdiablo_rojo do I have update authority on the spreadsheet here? https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1r2ZZNq7MBNJNKr0g_QlnQvhmkTSC8pf1x4DC-_NMfhA/edit#gid=020:05
ekhugen_altit won't hurt anything if I add new columns for people's matches, right?20:05
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diablo_rojolet me see20:06
diablo_rojoekhugen_alt, you have edit permissions20:06
ekhugen_altokay, thanks!20:06
diablo_rojonp :)20:07
ekhugen_altI think from our last meeting, we talked about following up with the mentors and mentees within a week20:07
ekhugen_altso I'm asking them to respond confirming the match and that we have the right info20:07
ekhugen_altand then if no reply, we'll just undo the match20:07
ekhugen_altif they do reply, then I'll direct them to the getting started guide https://docs.google.com/document/d/1rXLWga17J3TXENNTvJgNJ4ol9N3_FgH20y_gFrITR_Y/edit20:08
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ekhugen_altmake sense?20:10
MeganRyes20:10
ekhugen_altanything else on matches, I am really sorry it's taken me so long20:11
diablo_rojoMakes sense to me20:11
diablo_rojoNo worries, we are all busy :)20:11
ekhugen_altI did wonder, all the email correspondence, would it make sense if I made a new gmail account for it?20:11
ekhugen_altis there a way that we could share a gmail account?  I feel weird having this all sitting in my work email20:12
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MeganRwell, we could create a gmail account, and then cc it  on all communication20:13
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ekhugen_altyeah I was wondering if that would make sense and that way if I'm out then other people can see what's going on with the mentors and mentees20:15
ekhugen_altis there a better way to share a gmail account than just sharing the password?20:15
MeganRwe could set up a mailing list - have multiple emails for one gmail account20:16
diablo_rojonot that I know of20:16
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ekhugen_altmeganr I'm not sure how to do that, do you want to set up one to show us?20:19
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MeganRSure - I can have it by the next meeting, if that is ok20:20
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ekhugen_altsure, that would be great, thanks!20:21
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ekhugen_altokay, anything else on new matches?20:22
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ekhugen_alt#topic New OpenStack project20:22
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ekhugen_altthe patch to create the project did merge so openstack-mentoring-scripts is an official project now20:23
ekhugen_altso I think I need to pick up around the middle of this page http://docs.openstack.org/infra/manual/creators.html20:24
ekhugen_altto finally get the git repository set up20:24
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ekhugen_altany questions or comments on that?20:25
diablo_rojoThat's super exciting :)20:25
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* ekhugen_alt will be more excited when she finishes the project creator's guide 20:26
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ekhugen_altso I think that's all I had to talk about20:28
ekhugen_altany other topics?20:28
ekhugen_alt#topic open20:28
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ekhugen_altokay, I think we can end early, I'm sure we all have lots of other work to do!20:29
MeganRThank you!20:30
aimeeuthanks emily!20:30
* ekhugen_alt thanks everyone, wishes you all a good week20:30
ekhugen_alt#endmeeting20:30
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notmynameswift team meeting time21:00
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notmyname#startmeeting swift21:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Nov 30 21:00:20 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is notmyname. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.21:00
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notmynamewho's here for the swift meeting?21:00
timburkeo/21:00
m_kazuhiroo/21:00
mathiasbo/21:00
bkeller`o/21:00
kota_o/21:00
jrichliyo21:00
cschwedeo/21:00
hurricanerixo/21:00
pdardeauhi21:00
tdasilvahi21:01
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notmynamehello everyone21:01
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notmynamethe agenda for this week is rather sparse21:01
mattoliverauo/21:01
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acoleso-21:01
notmynamethat's what you get for letting me have a holiday last week ;-)21:01
notmynamethere's a couple of questions I wanted to ask, though21:02
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cutforthhello21:02
notmynamefirst, next week's meeting: I'll be traveling and not able to chair it21:02
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notmynameunless someone else steps up, there will be no meeting21:03
notmynamenobody's ever stepped up to do that before, so I'm not expecting that to change today :-)21:03
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notmynameso... no meeting next week21:03
notmynameI'll be at an openstack event in salt lake city21:03
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notmynamethey asked me to talk on a panel about "the future of openstack". could be intersting ;-)21:04
acolesnotmyname: you'll be great21:04
pdardeaunotmyname: just tell them it's cloudy ;-)21:04
notmynamethe only other question I had was about pyeclib/libec. what's the status of releases and version bumps there? ( kota_ )21:05
notmynamepdardeau: :-)21:05
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kota_notmyname: let me check21:05
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kota_a bunch of works is on-going for ec library...21:06
kota_thinking of original story,21:07
kota_the warning line landed https://review.openstack.org/#/c/398744/21:07
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kota_and for 1.3.2 release patch got +2 from clayg so it's really closing to be pyeclib 1.3.221:08
kota_patch is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/398752/21:08
kota_however in the log line patch (patch 398744), mahatic and onovy has commented for liberasurecode version handling21:09
kota_that is because they can see upgrading issue due to the order of compiling liberasurecode/pyeclib21:09
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notmynameok21:10
kota_for the current constraint, we need to rebuild *pyeclib* to detect liberasurecode has the newest21:10
kota_so it might need more work to enable liberasurecode/pyeclib handles the version more smoothly21:11
notmynamethat's in pyeclib 1.3.2 right?21:11
kota_I'm not sure if we should include it into 1.3.221:11
notmynameok21:11
kota_that is because it's out of the original intention for 1.3.221:12
kota_but it may inpact for distro managers like onovy21:12
kota_that's my current status21:12
notmynameok21:13
notmynameso current state of things is that we warn if we detect a bad combo and we don't further corrupt fragments. next up is to make that into a dependency chain. then finally the cauchy matrix to reenable many parity21:13
notmynameis that right?21:13
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kota_notmyname: yes21:14
notmynameok21:14
notmynamethanks21:14
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notmynamespeaking of releases, now that we've got the consolidate hashes issues patches, I can do the backport releases21:14
kota_oic21:15
notmynameok, what else? anything else to bring up? patches to discuss? plans to make?21:15
acolesnotmyname: did the backport patches for consolidate_hashes get approved?21:15
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notmynameacoles: not yet, but I see them sitting there. I can click that button (...and rebase/update the changelog, etc). that's what I meant21:16
acolesnotmyname: k21:17
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cschwedenotmyname: patch 402324 should be backported as well, once it lands21:17
acolescschwede: whats the status of the deterministic hash recalculation patch?21:17
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notmynamecschwede: ah, yes21:18
cschwedeacoles: heh, well, that’s patch 402324 - ready for review (already got some, and updated this morning based on these reviews)21:18
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acolescschwede: ok, thanks21:19
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notmynameanything else? shall we close early?21:20
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notmynameas always, there's a ton of great stuff to review21:21
notmynamethanks for working on swift21:21
acoleskota_: et al thanks for all the work on EC libs21:21
notmyname#endmeeting21:21
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notmynamekota_: definitely!21:22
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kota_:-)21:22
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