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| priteau | Hello | 08:59 |
| oneswig | Good morning, time to get going | 09:00 |
| oneswig | #startmeeting scientific_wg | 09:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Nov 23 09:00:25 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is oneswig. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 09:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 09:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: scientific_wg)" | 09:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'scientific_wg' | 09:00 |
| oneswig | #link today's agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Scientific_working_group#IRC_Meeting_November_23rd_2016 | 09:00 |
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| oneswig | Blair says he'll be in-and-out today - you hear yet Blair? | 09:01 |
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| oneswig | Lets give people a minute or two to gather | 09:02 |
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| oneswig | #topic Wrap up from Supercomputing 2016 | 09:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Wrap up from Supercomputing 2016 (Meeting topic: scientific_wg)" | 09:03 | |
| oneswig | #chair b1airo | 09:03 |
| openstack | Current chairs: b1airo oneswig | 09:03 |
| b1airo | Howdy | 09:03 |
| oneswig | Evening b1airo | 09:03 |
| oneswig | Just getting started on SC wrap-up | 09:03 |
| b1airo | Kewl | 09:03 |
| oneswig | Well it was a good show, my first time. The level of OpenStack interest was high but I have no prior experience to gauge the upward trend | 09:04 |
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| b1airo | I only got home from SLC yesterday! | 09:04 |
| oneswig | Go by bike? :-) | 09:04 |
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| b1airo | Ha! Just left via Bryce Canyon | 09:04 |
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| b1airo | It was a good conference for OpenStack I think | 09:05 |
| oneswig | The nice people at SuperUser invited us to write a trip report based on the roundup I wrote on the company blog | 09:05 |
| oneswig | #link http://www.stackhpc.com/stackhpc-at-supercomputing-2016.html | 09:05 |
| oneswig | Not massively detailed though... | 09:05 |
| b1airo | Heh - are they paying for our expenses? :-) | 09:06 |
| priteau | Great job on getting science on the openstack.org homepage! | 09:06 |
| oneswig | priteau: Kate did a great job in the panel session, it was good to meet her again | 09:06 |
| oneswig | priteau: I know - incredible isn't it! | 09:06 |
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| StefanPaetowJisc | Good morning all | 09:07 |
| priteau | Will you get statistics on number of book downloads? | 09:07 |
| oneswig | So quite a few expectations to live up to there | 09:07 |
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| oneswig | morning StefanPaetowJisc | 09:07 |
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| verdurin | Morning. | 09:07 |
| oneswig | priteau: I expect I could ask, that would be good to know | 09:07 |
| oneswig | Hi verdurin | 09:07 |
| oneswig | I don't think there was any more to add on SC - anyone else? | 09:08 |
| oneswig | OK lets go to the next item | 09:09 |
| oneswig | #item Scientific datasets - update from Sofiane | 09:09 |
| oneswig | #topic Scientific datasets - update from Sofiane | 09:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Scientific datasets - update from Sofiane (Meeting topic: scientific_wg)" | 09:09 | |
| oneswig | oops | 09:09 |
| sofianes_ | hi all | 09:09 |
| sofianes_ | I just shared a document with you | 09:09 |
| oneswig | Hi Sofiane, how are you doing | 09:09 |
| sofianes_ | https://goo.gl/Rqb9qg | 09:09 |
| sofianes_ | There's a summary of what we are doing | 09:09 |
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| sofianes_ | We are building an academic cloud for Swiss Universities | 09:10 |
| sofianes_ | and have numerous services on top of the infrastructure | 09:10 |
| sofianes_ | which runs on OpenStack | 09:10 |
| sofianes_ | SWITCH is hosting and operating the infrastructure | 09:11 |
| sofianes_ | among the applications, we have big data and data science in general | 09:11 |
| sofianes_ | and we need to host large datasets | 09:11 |
| sofianes_ | compute has to be done close to the data | 09:11 |
| oneswig | What do you expect the interface to be for users seeking access to specific datasets? | 09:12 |
| sofianes_ | direct access from any application susing S3 or SWIFT | 09:12 |
| sofianes_ | or specific access with higher level APIs | 09:12 |
| oneswig | Are you thinking of creating a directory service? | 09:13 |
| sofianes_ | We will definitely build a catalog | 09:13 |
| sofianes_ | with appropriate search functionalities | 09:14 |
| oneswig | Do you expect it to be integrated with Horizon, or a separate freestanding catalog? | 09:14 |
| sofianes_ | but there are many things that need improvment in the OpenStack ecosystem | 09:14 |
| verdurin | sofianes_: the higher level APIs are for applications that don't understand objects? | 09:14 |
| sofianes_ | Sahara, bare emtal | 09:14 |
| sofianes_ | bare metal | 09:14 |
| sofianes_ | verdurin: yes | 09:15 |
| sofianes_ | we are also thinking about the possibility to co-host datasets | 09:15 |
| sofianes_ | with other interested insititutions | 09:16 |
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| sofianes_ | saverio has already initiated that with other NRENs | 09:16 |
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| oneswig | Do you also expect to provide access control to the datasets or can every user access every dataset all the time? | 09:16 |
| sofianes_ | both | 09:16 |
| b1airo | IMHO this sort of hosting may be better served by something like CVFS | 09:16 |
| sofianes_ | public data will be open | 09:16 |
| oneswig | b1airo: new to me, got a link? | 09:16 |
| verdurin | sofianes_: do you have details on what's missing for your use-case, that might be turned into blueprints? | 09:17 |
| sofianes_ | private data will requires ACLs | 09:17 |
| verdurin | b1airo: do you mean CVMFS? | 09:17 |
| oneswig | As in CERN VM FS? | 09:17 |
| b1airo | It would offer a more familiar interface for legacy applications and is already designed to distribute data around the Internet | 09:17 |
| b1airo | Yes, CVMFS sorry | 09:17 |
| sofianes_ | I am not famililar with CVMFS | 09:17 |
| sofianes_ | but will look at it | 09:17 |
| sofianes_ | performance is very important | 09:18 |
| b1airo | And I should clarify - I don't mean instead of Swift, but as potential complim | 09:18 |
| b1airo | *compliment (sorry, on phone) | 09:18 |
| sofianes_ | the direction in which we will go will be directed by the use cases | 09:18 |
| oneswig | sofianes_: my understanding is that it is an HTTP-delivered filesystem overlay. The particle physics people use it with a minimal VM image to attach specific code/data - right? | 09:19 |
| sofianes_ | we have aleady posted a bug report for sahara | 09:19 |
| verdurin | oneswig: yes, that's right | 09:19 |
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| verdurin | oneswig: it has wider uses than that, i.e. not just for Micro-CernVM | 09:20 |
| sofianes_ | our typical use cases come from machine learning, text analysis, genomics | 09:20 |
| oneswig | sofianes_: I notice billing in the SWITCH diagram - any plans to charge for access? | 09:20 |
| sofianes_ | we have two directions | 09:20 |
| sofianes_ | either have the datasets as an added value to attract users | 09:20 |
| sofianes_ | or build a market place for data (not trivial) | 09:21 |
| sofianes_ | oneswig: could you tell us more about the paricle physics use case? | 09:21 |
| oneswig | I don't know if there is a precedent for charging for datasets, might be problematic... | 09:21 |
| sofianes_ | Microsoft is actually doing that on Azure | 09:22 |
| oneswig | I agree - good to have them as an attractor to your platform (which might then be charged for in usual ways) | 09:22 |
| oneswig | sofianes_: interesting! | 09:22 |
| StefanPaetowJisc | Possibly cross charging... | 09:22 |
| sofianes_ | it makes sense for commercial applications where you consume data and sell services. You basicaly act as a broker in that case | 09:22 |
| oneswig | sofianes_: I'm not sure I have a link to CVMFS - anyone? | 09:22 |
| StefanPaetowJisc | *nod* | 09:23 |
| sofianes_ | https://cernvm.cern.ch/portal/filesystem | 09:23 |
| StefanPaetowJisc | https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/CVMFS | 09:23 |
| verdurin | sofianes_: they have a minimal VM image that pulls in experiment-specific software via CVMFS | 09:23 |
| sofianes_ | this? | 09:23 |
| verdurin | So in WLCG it's primarily used for distributing software, but could be used for datasets too | 09:24 |
| sofianes_ | there are also alternatives to expose S3 as a file system | 09:25 |
| oneswig | WLCG? | 09:25 |
| verdurin | worldwide LHC computing group | 09:25 |
| StefanPaetowJisc | Especially since it's read-only... :-) | 09:25 |
| oneswig | 2 level acronym! | 09:25 |
| sofianes_ | like this: https://github.com/s3fs-fuse/s3fs-fuse | 09:25 |
| verdurin | De rigeur. | 09:25 |
| StefanPaetowJisc | Damn that HEP community... :-D | 09:25 |
| verdurin | sofianes_: I'm sure I came across a US group that was using it for data, but can't remember where right now | 09:26 |
| verdurin | (i.e. a non-HEP group) | 09:26 |
| sofianes_ | if you find out, please let me know | 09:26 |
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| StefanPaetowJisc | verdurin: possibly Jim Basney's group? | 09:26 |
| sofianes_ | we are open to collaboration/sharing experience | 09:26 |
| StefanPaetowJisc | I can ask | 09:26 |
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| b1airo | We could ask Tim et al | 09:26 |
| oneswig | What do Globus do in this area? | 09:27 |
| oneswig | #link https://www.globus.org/ | 09:27 |
| sofianes_ | our interest is not only about making data available for download | 09:27 |
| sofianes_ | but mainly to bring computation to where data sits | 09:28 |
| sofianes_ | that's at the heart of the hadoop principles | 09:28 |
| oneswig | The holy grail... | 09:28 |
| priteau | oneswig: they have data publication and discovery capabilities https://www.globus.org/data-publication | 09:28 |
| sofianes_ | for very large data, it's cheaper to move computation | 09:28 |
| priteau | it seems to be a commercial hosted service | 09:29 |
| verdurin | Some of the genomics data at Sanger is made available via Globus Connect | 09:29 |
| sofianes_ | actually we have a mirror of that data | 09:29 |
| sofianes_ | I want to add one thing | 09:29 |
| sofianes_ | some datasets are so large | 09:29 |
| sofianes_ | that you simply can't download them | 09:29 |
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| oneswig | sofianes_: do you think there is value in a user story here? I think there could be. | 09:29 |
| sofianes_ | human genome which can be obtined through Globus is more than 100TB | 09:30 |
| StefanPaetowJisc | :-O | 09:30 |
| sofianes_ | common crawl, which is a crawl of the web is 500+ TB | 09:30 |
| sofianes_ | this is said for static data | 09:30 |
| sofianes_ | but we also have users interested in real time data | 09:31 |
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| oneswig | Hence moving code to the data | 09:31 |
| sofianes_ | they need to subscribe to streams | 09:31 |
| sofianes_ | these can be weather or traffic data | 09:31 |
| sofianes_ | or anything that comes from IOT | 09:31 |
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| sofianes_ | we are also working on such use cases | 09:31 |
| sofianes_ | we receive data in real time, and users can selecte specific feeds | 09:32 |
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| sofianes_ | data can also be persisted and becomes historical data | 09:32 |
| oneswig | What are the gaps in OpenStack or does everything discussed build upon today's OpenStack? | 09:32 |
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| sofianes_ | we have sahara and bare metal | 09:33 |
| sofianes_ | but solutions don't seem to be mature enough | 09:33 |
| oneswig | I haven't heard of anyone using bare metal with swift - does it work? | 09:34 |
| sofianes_ | ceph and swift have also issues with large objects | 09:34 |
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| priteau | oneswig: We use Swift from bare-metal instances. There's no reason for it not to work, it's all HTTP requests | 09:34 |
| sofianes_ | support for hadoop is still not very established | 09:35 |
| oneswig | priteau: I guess so - wasn't sure which network they'd be transported over | 09:35 |
| oneswig | sofianes_: there was a bug mentioned in Barcelona on Sahara with large objects - any news on that? | 09:35 |
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| sofianes_ | I have nothing new on that | 09:36 |
| sofianes_ | I will ask saverio | 09:36 |
| oneswig | Saverio not here? Saverio...? | 09:36 |
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| b1airo | Wasn't that an issue with the related hdfs plugin rather than Swift? | 09:37 |
| oneswig | ah, think you're right | 09:37 |
| sofianes_ | if any of you is interested in our topic, your welcome to contact me | 09:37 |
| oneswig | sofianes_: would you be interested in transferring the google doc into a user story? | 09:37 |
| b1airo | We are working on deploying Sahara in NeCTAR at the moment too | 09:38 |
| sofianes_ | yes for the user story | 09:38 |
| oneswig | Great, thanks sofianes_ | 09:38 |
| oneswig | #action sofianes_ to transfer the google doc on data sharing into a user story | 09:38 |
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| oneswig | b1airo: any comment on how Sahara is working in Nectar? | 09:39 |
| b1airo | Main issue we've found is that current version defaults to putting Hadoop job binaries in rdbms | 09:40 |
| b1airo | Should be in object store for a large prod cloud, especially where users are not trusted/known | 09:41 |
| oneswig | How responsive are the sahara crowd? | 09:41 |
| sofianes_ | using object as back end for hadoop seems to be the current trned at least in public clouds (AWS, Azure, GCP) | 09:42 |
| b1airo | Reasonably, problem is already being addressed | 09:42 |
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| sofianes_ | when you deploy a cluster, storage is embeded in HDFS within the cluster | 09:42 |
| sofianes_ | using objectr storage is a good compromise to share data | 09:43 |
| oneswig | I'd be interested to see performance comparisons, does seem to me to be breaking some assumptions about hadoop (unless I'm misunderstanding it) | 09:43 |
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| sofianes_ | we have that on our roadmap | 09:44 |
| oneswig | Anyway, we have other topics, any more on big data & sahara? | 09:44 |
| sofianes_ | performance comparison | 09:44 |
| sofianes_ | S3 vs HDFS | 09:44 |
| oneswig | sofianes_: would be interested to see that | 09:44 |
| sofianes_ | and otjer dimensions as well | 09:44 |
| sofianes_ | we will share our findings | 09:44 |
| oneswig | OK thanks sofianes_ | 09:45 |
| sofianes_ | typo: other dimensions as well | 09:45 |
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| oneswig | #topic Federation user story up for review | 09:45 |
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| oneswig | Saverio's not here but there is a WG user story in review | 09:45 |
| oneswig | on identity federation | 09:45 |
| oneswig | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/400738/ | 09:45 |
| oneswig | Please comment if it's an area of interest for you - I recall aloga had some questions about the original etherpad this user story came from | 09:46 |
| StefanPaetowJisc | I'll have to review that story again... | 09:46 |
| b1airo | Cool - I will seek input locally | 09:46 |
| oneswig | Great! Want to make sure it's consistent with global experience | 09:47 |
| oneswig | Don't think there's any more to cover on this... anyone? | 09:48 |
| oneswig | #topic Cloud workload traces | 09:48 |
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| oneswig | Late addition to the agenda - b1airo want to cover this? | 09:49 |
| aloga | sorry guys, I arrived late | 09:49 |
| oneswig | Hi aloga | 09:49 |
| b1airo | Sure - briefly | 09:50 |
| oneswig | aloga: Got backscroll? Feedback here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/400738/ | 09:50 |
| aloga | oneswig: yes, I was catching up | 09:50 |
| b1airo | Kate Keahey's BoF at SC raised the topic of getting cloud workload traces for ComSci work (e.g. scheduling simulation etc) | 09:51 |
| oneswig | Is this infrastructure or higher-level? | 09:51 |
| aloga | oneswig: I will go through the review and comment there, I still have concerns about the 2nd use case that is described there (i.e. L156-160) | 09:51 |
| aloga | i.e. who will benefit from that use case | 09:52 |
| aloga | (same applies for user story 3) | 09:52 |
| b1airo | She isn't sure what data they want yet, needs to do a review of existing archives from prior grid work, but we discussed the potential to have the work supported through this community so as to gain wider audience | 09:52 |
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| oneswig | We have a project for OpenStack distributed profiling. For user applications, how about http://zipkin.io/ | 09:53 |
| oneswig | ... which I would also love to see ... | 09:53 |
| oneswig | b1airo: I'd love to hear more, hopefully we can do a monitoring & telemetry session next week and she might attend? | 09:54 |
| b1airo | Yes we need to invite her or a team member | 09:54 |
| oneswig | ... know anyone ... ? :-) | 09:55 |
| priteau | oneswig: I am not sure we are on the same page, the traces we have in mind are the equivalent of job traces in hpc, ie instance creation / update / termination events | 09:55 |
| b1airo | priteau: yes that's what I thought, at least for initial data | 09:56 |
| oneswig | priteau: possibly more on the same page than you think! We've been looking at connecting SLURM with Monasca | 09:56 |
| b1airo | So e.g. nova-scheduler logs | 09:56 |
| oneswig | So this is infrastructure event tracing? | 09:56 |
| b1airo | But the more data the better I assume | 09:56 |
| oneswig | Now I am even more interested. | 09:57 |
| priteau | oneswig: I was referring to your link to zipkin which seems to be more about inter-service call timings? | 09:57 |
| oneswig | OK, I previously took an action to define our use case - will do that for next week | 09:58 |
| oneswig | priteau: wasn't sure if you were looking at infrastructure or application profiling | 09:58 |
| oneswig | we are looking at profiling "infrastructure-plus", ie a bit of the stuff above | 09:59 |
| oneswig | #action oneswig to write up the profiling telemetry use case for next wee | 10:00 |
| verdurin | Have to go - bye. | 10:00 |
| oneswig | ahem. week | 10:00 |
| oneswig | out of time! | 10:00 |
| oneswig | Thanks all, we'd better clear the channel | 10:00 |
| aloga | priteau: we are interested on that | 10:00 |
| oneswig | #endmeeting | 10:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 10:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Nov 23 10:00:52 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 10:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_wg/2016/scientific_wg.2016-11-23-09.00.html | 10:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_wg/2016/scientific_wg.2016-11-23-09.00.txt | 10:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_wg/2016/scientific_wg.2016-11-23-09.00.log.html | 10:00 |
| StefanPaetowJisc | Ok. Speak to you guys soon. Am at CERN next week... | 10:01 |
| oneswig | Great session all, thank you | 10:01 |
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| priteau | aloga: excellent! Are your contact details on the summit etherpad? | 10:02 |
| b1airo | Bye all! | 10:02 |
| aloga | priteau: yes | 10:03 |
| aloga | priteau: or on lp | 10:03 |
| dvladar | thanks for the session - learned a lot today :). | 10:03 |
| aloga | priteau: and I am always online on IRC | 10:03 |
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| openstack | joehuang: Error: A meeting name is required, e.g., '#startmeeting Marketing Committee' | 13:00 |
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| hejiawei | hello | 13:00 |
| joehuang | #startmeeting tricircle | 13:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Nov 23 13:00:54 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is joehuang. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:00 |
| longxiongqiu | hello | 13:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tricircle' | 13:01 |
| liukun | #hello | 13:01 |
| joehuang | #topic rollcall | 13:01 |
| yinxiulin | hello | 13:01 |
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| joehuang | #info joehuang | 13:01 |
| RongHui11 | #info ronghui | 13:01 |
| zhiyuan | #info zhiyuan | 13:01 |
| longxiongqiu | #info longxiongqiu | 13:01 |
| yinxiulin | #info xiulin | 13:01 |
| Yipei | #info Yipei | 13:01 |
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| dongfeng | #info dongfeng | 13:02 |
| hejiawei | #info jiawei | 13:02 |
| joehuang | #topic Ocata feature development review | 13:02 |
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| joehuang | let's have a short review for the feature development, the coming milestone is in the middle of Dec | 13:03 |
| joehuang | please have a brief description of the feature you are working for | 13:03 |
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| dongfeng | the patch for documentation for resource routing is in review, and the blueprint for resource routing is also in review. | 13:04 |
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| zhiyuan | (1) the manual installation guide is under review. (2) the spec for combined bridge network is under review (3) the code for combined bridge network is under development, I will start to test the code with DevStack tomorrow | 13:05 |
| joehuang | to Dongfeng, yes, just receive the notification of the blueprint | 13:05 |
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| RongHui11 | for the configuraton i still try to use the document tools to get the configuraton guide | 13:06 |
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| joehuang | is there anyone install tricircle according to the manual | 13:06 |
| RongHui11 | i install the tircircle according th the manual for singlenode | 13:07 |
| RongHui11 | sorry | 13:08 |
| RongHui11 | not the manual | 13:08 |
| RongHui11 | is the devstack | 13:08 |
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| joehuang | you can install the devstack without tricircle first, then try to configure the tricircle according to the manual guide | 13:09 |
| joehuang | hello Junsik, not see you some time | 13:09 |
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| RongHui11 | ok | 13:10 |
| RongHui11 | i will try it | 13:10 |
| joehuang | to Zhiyuan, thank you for your great effort | 13:10 |
| Yipei | implement LBaaS for tricircle, still studying LBaaS. plan to run LBaaS in one OpenStack instance. | 13:10 |
| joehuang | thank you, ronghui | 13:10 |
| joehuang | to yipei, great | 13:11 |
| joehuang | LBaaS is applying openstack bigtent | 13:11 |
| Yipei | will try installing devstack tomorrow by following the manual | 13:11 |
| joehuang | the project name is Ocataiva | 13:11 |
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| Yipei | ok, i will pay more attention to the project | 13:12 |
| joehuang | you can refer to this guide: http://docs.openstack.org/mitaka/networking-guide/config-lbaas.html | 13:13 |
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| joehuang | this is mitaka version, you'd better to read the newton release | 13:13 |
| Yipei | ok, got it. thx for sharing | 13:14 |
| yinxiulin | I am learning tricircle design documents. plan to start resource update function next week | 13:14 |
| joehuang | you can discuss any questions in mail-list or irc | 13:15 |
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| joehuang | Hello, there are several patches in review | 13:15 |
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| joehuang | I hope that everyone can spend some time to review other's patch | 13:16 |
| joehuang | you can have more broad knowledge on what's being developed, and improve the quality of each patch | 13:17 |
| dongfeng | ok. | 13:18 |
| Yipei | ok, got it | 13:18 |
| zhiyuan | sure | 13:18 |
| Junsik | ok | 13:18 |
| RongHui11 | ok | 13:19 |
| hejiawei | ok | 13:19 |
| joehuang | thank you all, we are a team, team work can make everything better | 13:19 |
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| joehuang | #topic Py35, Ubuntu Xenial gate and check jobs | 13:19 |
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| joehuang | according to community requirement | 13:21 |
| joehuang | all project needs to adapt to pyhon3 | 13:21 |
| joehuang | and tested in ubuntu xenial release | 13:22 |
| joehuang | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/400493/1/jenkins/jobs/projects.yaml | 13:23 |
| zhiyuan | to support python 3, we need to use "six" library in the list and dict traverse | 13:23 |
| joehuang | after the jobs enabled, two more jobs will be added in the gate and check test, but at first it's not voting job, that means it's ok if it failed | 13:24 |
| joehuang | to zhiyuan, yes, some update is needed | 13:24 |
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| zhiyuan | when will the two jobs become voting job? | 13:25 |
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| joehuang | we needs to fix the error in the failure job step by step, at last in this release, we should be able to migrate to python3 and xenial | 13:26 |
| joehuang | no, non-voting jobs | 13:26 |
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| joehuang | after all failure are fixed, I hope by the end of Ocata release | 13:27 |
| joehuang | the earlier, the better | 13:27 |
| joehuang | the sooner, the better | 13:27 |
| joehuang | it'll take one week or so to enable these jobs | 13:28 |
| joehuang | and one more job doc-publisher-site: docs.openstack.org is also added | 13:28 |
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| zhiyuan | i think we just enable the jobs then we know what error needs to be fixed | 13:28 |
| joehuang | that means all docs of tricircle will be published to docs.openstack.org website | 13:29 |
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| joehuang | the jobs will report failure, but will not block any patch's merge | 13:30 |
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| zhiyuan | so if the doc job fails, the doc will not be updated in the website? | 13:32 |
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| joehuang | it's better if someone of us can install tricircle under python35, and execute the pep8/unit/functest to see what error occured | 13:32 |
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| joehuang | yes | 13:32 |
| joehuang | infra team always suggest to enable a job as non-voting at first, after it's stable for the job, then make it as voting job | 13:34 |
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| joehuang | currently our doc test is successfully for each patch | 13:35 |
| zhiyuan | we can use virtualenv to setup a python3 environment | 13:35 |
| joehuang | But it's strange that all jobs are already ubuntu-xenial based | 13:36 |
| joehuang | for example https://review.openstack.org/#/c/396564/, I am not sure whether we need to enable special job for xenial | 13:36 |
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| joehuang | yes, venv is a good way to try python3 | 13:37 |
| joehuang | or container | 13:37 |
| zhiyuan | i think our test is already runnint on xenial, we just need to enable python3 test | 13:38 |
| joehuang | will consult that in infra team | 13:38 |
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| joehuang | #action consult infra team whether tricircle needs to enable special xenial jobs or alreay support that | 13:39 |
| joehuang | #topic open discussion | 13:40 |
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| joehuang | any topic to discuss? | 13:41 |
| zhiyuan | for me, there may be risk to support shared vxlan network in this circle | 13:41 |
| RongHui11 | no for me | 13:41 |
| zhiyuan | if we are going to follow the "vtep info in port" change in neutron | 13:42 |
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| joehuang | to zhiyuan, understand the risk | 13:43 |
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| joehuang | we need to work closely with anil for this feature | 13:44 |
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| joehuang | at the same time, enhance Tricircle basic capabilities | 13:44 |
| joehuang | for example, qos, update operation, metering, etc | 13:44 |
| joehuang | do you have other proposal to reduce the risk? | 13:45 |
| joehuang | or bypass the risk? | 13:45 |
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| zhiyuan | there's other solution to support shared vxlan network, like the "remote port" way, but if we would like to use the "vtep info in port" feature, it will be a waste to implement "remote port" in this circle | 13:47 |
| joehuang | we can discuss if it's possible, or how to reduce the waste, at least we need to know how Anil will implement the VTEP info in port bindings | 13:50 |
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| zhiyuan | ok, so let's keep our eye on Anil's work | 13:51 |
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| zhiyuan | at least we can finish the bridge network combination change | 13:52 |
| joehuang | sure | 13:52 |
| joehuang | actively involve in Anil's improvement | 13:52 |
| joehuang | if necessary | 13:52 |
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| joehuang | ok, other topics? | 13:53 |
| zhiyuan | no | 13:53 |
| dongfeng | no | 13:53 |
| Yipei | no | 13:53 |
| RongHui11 | no | 13:53 |
| Junsik | no | 13:53 |
| joehuang | ok, thank you for your attending | 13:53 |
| joehuang | #endmeeting | 13:53 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Nov 23 13:53:49 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:53 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2016/tricircle.2016-11-23-13.00.html | 13:53 |
| joehuang | bye | 13:53 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2016/tricircle.2016-11-23-13.00.txt | 13:53 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2016/tricircle.2016-11-23-13.00.log.html | 13:53 |
| Junsik | bye | 13:53 |
| zhiyuan | bye | 13:53 |
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| rcherrueau | hello folks | 14:58 |
| ad_rien_ | hi | 14:58 |
| ad_rien_ | gonna start the meeting in two minutes | 14:58 |
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| ad_rien_ | #startmeeting massively_distributed_clouds | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Nov 23 15:00:12 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ad_rien_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| ad_rien_ | #chair ad_rien_ | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: massively_distributed_clouds)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'massively_distributed_clouds' | 15:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: ad_rien_ | 15:00 |
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| ad_rien_ | Hi guys. | 15:00 |
| ad_rien_ | May I ask you who is online ?( | 15:00 |
| kgiusti | o/ | 15:00 |
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| rcherrueau | o/ | 15:00 |
| foliveira | o/ | 15:00 |
| ad_rien_ | Hi kgiusti | 15:00 |
| ansmith | o/ | 15:00 |
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| kgiusti | hello! | 15:01 |
| mabderrahim | o/ | 15:01 |
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| ad_rien_ | so let's wait one or two minutes, meanwhile you can give a look to the agenda (line 21 of the pad) | 15:01 |
| ad_rien_ | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/massively_distributed_ircmeetings_2016 | 15:01 |
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| ad_rien_ | may I ask you to complete it (starting by who is attending the meeting today) | 15:02 |
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| denaitre | o/ | 15:03 |
| ad_rien_ | ok so let's start | 15:03 |
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| ad_rien_ | #topic barcelona sumup | 15:03 |
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| ad_rien_ | as a reminder, the minutes we took during our face to face meeting in Barcelona are available at | 15:04 |
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| ad_rien_ | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/massively_distribute-barcelona_working_sessions | 15:04 |
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| ad_rien_ | we identify a few actions that can be addressed during this cycle | 15:04 |
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| ad_rien_ | - Identify deployment scenarios for massively distributed/fog/edge clouds (multi regions / one region with cells / one region with compute nodes deployed at the edge, ....) | 15:05 |
| ad_rien_ | - Identify technical challenges/limitations for each scenario (quotas, heat, network issues, live migration, ...) | 15:05 |
| ad_rien_ | - Identify evaluation scenarios (from the performance and functionnal viewpoint). | 15:05 |
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| ad_rien_ | do you think we should add other action candidates in this list? | 15:05 |
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| ad_rien_ | ok it seems to be ok. | 15:06 |
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| ad_rien_ | foliveira: ? | 15:07 |
| ad_rien_ | ok so the next question is then to put some priorities on each action | 15:08 |
| ad_rien_ | we can follow the proposed order or change a bit | 15:08 |
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| ansmith | To go along with the scenarios, is there a general agreement on the definitions of terms? | 15:08 |
| ad_rien_ | not yet | 15:09 |
| ansmith | e.g. what is the definition of region, site, edge, etc. | 15:09 |
| ad_rien_ | maybe I should mention that we are discussing with the NFV working group | 15:09 |
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| ad_rien_ | about what can be a minimalist NVFi deployment | 15:09 |
| ad_rien_ | some folks from AT&T are taking part to the discussion | 15:10 |
| foliveira | ETSI NFV IFA WG? | 15:10 |
| ad_rien_ | The first approach would be to have a central control plane and the data plane on the edge. Concretely | 15:10 |
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| ad_rien_ | foliveira: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-telco-nfv-meeting-agenda | 15:10 |
| ad_rien_ | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-telco-nfv-meeting-agenda | 15:11 |
| Menthos | Hi everyone | 15:11 |
| ad_rien_ | so the idea is to put keystone, glance, nova (main services), … in one ''central'' DC and put the nova-compute at the edge (i.e. on distinct location) | 15:11 |
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| ad_rien_ | this is a first scenario where we can conduct functional and performance evaluations to see pros/cons | 15:12 |
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| ad_rien_ | we should try to identify two or three more deployment scenarios | 15:12 |
| ad_rien_ | and for each identify pros/cons in terms of features and performances avantages/drawbacks | 15:13 |
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| ad_rien_ | so maybe ansmith you are right we should define that in one document/pad | 15:13 |
| ad_rien_ | just to avoid confusion. | 15:13 |
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| ad_rien_ | #action make a proposal for defining the different terms (region, site, edge, fog…) | 15:14 |
| ansmith | attempt to unify definitision across openstack, etsi/nfv and edge/fog would be helpful | 15:14 |
| ad_rien_ | yes exactly | 15:15 |
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| ad_rien_ | so let's try to identify what can be the key word: | 15:15 |
| ansmith | and what functionality is expected of the "edge" | 15:15 |
| ad_rien_ | it depends the scenario but you are right we can define one. | 15:15 |
| ad_rien_ | so what are the key terms we may use ? | 15:16 |
| ad_rien_ | Region, edge, site, compute_node/hypervisor | 15:16 |
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| ansmith | cell | 15:17 |
| ad_rien_ | (ansmith BTW not sure how the cell V2 feature is going to progress as lasky left Mirantis) | 15:17 |
| ansmith | maybe it is a term we should abstract away | 15:17 |
| ad_rien_ | we got an information from DinaBelova from the performance WG that told us it will be now manage by two persons at redhat (if I'm right) | 15:18 |
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| ad_rien_ | There is another person at redhat that is also interested by this notion of fog/edge computing, maybe we should try to invite him | 15:19 |
| * ad_rien_ is looking for his name | 15:19 | |
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| rcherrueau | There is someone from redhat that made a presentation on mobile edge computing. His name is Sanjay Aiyagari. | 15:20 |
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| rcherrueau | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/barcelona-2016/summit-schedule/events/17407/red-hat-mobile-edge-computing-in-support-of-iot | 15:21 |
| ad_rien_ | ansmith: kgiusti do you know him ? | 15:21 |
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| ansmith | yes and we caught up with him in Barcelona | 15:22 |
| ansmith | we have a follow up action to engage on nfv/iot topics with him | 15:22 |
| ad_rien_ | ok maybe it can make sense to have him to make progress on these definitions | 15:22 |
| ad_rien_ | getting back to the terms we should add in the list (see pad line 46) | 15:23 |
| ad_rien_ | anything else? | 15:23 |
| ad_rien_ | foliveira: do you have a specific use-case in mind at Verizon ? | 15:24 |
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| ad_rien_ | ok | 15:26 |
| ad_rien_ | ok | 15:27 |
| ad_rien_ | ansmith: kgiusti do you have a deployment scenario in mind to test QPID | 15:27 |
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| ad_rien_ | I mean in terms of how deploying the different openstack services | 15:27 |
| ad_rien_ | (ie. considering only the core ones: keystone, glance, nova, neutron, horizon and cinder) | 15:27 |
| kgiusti | At this point we're working with some of the downstream RDO folks in redhat to determine just that. | 15:29 |
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| ad_rien_ | as I said I think we should try to identify at least two other scenarios | 15:29 |
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| ad_rien_ | RDO ? | 15:30 |
| kgiusti | We need to identify those deployments that represent a challenge for a single/cluster broker | 15:30 |
| ad_rien_ | ok | 15:30 |
| rbowen | http://rdoproject.org - a packaging of OpenStack for RPM. | 15:30 |
| ad_rien_ | #link http://rdoproject.org/Â | 15:31 |
| kgiusti | RDO is the downstream community openstack release sponsored by redhat | 15:31 |
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| kgiusti | think fedora for openstack :) | 15:31 |
| ansmith | thinking about the first scenario (e.g. central DC) there may be scenarios 1A and 1B | 15:31 |
| ad_rien_ | yes please go ahead ? | 15:31 |
| ansmith | 1A which is hub and spoke, e.g. edge always goes back to central | 15:32 |
| ansmith | 1B where edges have peer relations | 15:32 |
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| ad_rien_ | to have peer relations, does it mean you have services deployed at the edge ? | 15:32 |
| ansmith | 1B takes into account network communication topology as opposed to control path topology | 15:32 |
| ansmith | yes | 15:32 |
| ad_rien_ | because AFAIK, compute nodes do not interact each other? | 15:33 |
| ansmith | no but there may be networking service chains that link them up | 15:33 |
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| ad_rien_ | can you elaborate a bit please | 15:33 |
| ad_rien_ | in 1A all control plane is within the DC | 15:33 |
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| ad_rien_ | and compute_nodes at the edge (in different locations) | 15:34 |
| ansmith | If I have network functions deployed as VMs at the edge, I would want to create network paths | 15:34 |
| ad_rien_ | in 1B? | 15:34 |
| ad_rien_ | ok | 15:34 |
| ansmith | that would not want to be constrained by "hub n spoke' | 15:34 |
| foliveira | I would expect that compute nodes would communicate within a site but perhaps not between sites. Is this 1B as well? | 15:34 |
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| ansmith | I think it is a question for NFVi folks to see if this is implied by there scenario | 15:35 |
| ad_rien_ | ok | 15:35 |
| ad_rien_ | but in that case it looks to be communications between VMs (i.e. data plane) | 15:35 |
| ad_rien_ | is it correct ? | 15:35 |
| persia | Consider the case where a "site" consists of several buildings on a campus, with a few nodes per building. | 15:35 |
| persia | (or more widespread, but the campus model is fairly easy to map to a DC-focused model) | 15:36 |
| foliveira | VxLAN tunnels between compute nodes? | 15:36 |
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| ad_rien_ | persia: ok ? | 15:36 |
| ansmith | I read scenario above to imply edge is at a distinct location | 15:37 |
| ansmith | potentially large latencies from DC to edge, expected outages, etc. | 15:37 |
| ad_rien_ | yes | 15:38 |
| ad_rien_ | this is the scenario 1A (I'm trying to make an ascii figure in the pad) | 15:38 |
| jaypipes | y'all should just rename "massively distributed cloud working group" to "Telco/NFV workgroup" | 15:38 |
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| ad_rien_ | thanks jaypipes :-) | 15:38 |
| ad_rien_ | but actually this is a bit different as massively distributed cloud is a bit larger than NFV (even if it is true that telcos operators are quite interested by the distribution of OpenStack) | 15:39 |
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| jaypipes | and yes, dansmith and melwitt from nova are continuing alaski's work in cellsv2 | 15:39 |
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| ad_rien_ | ansmith: scenario 1A is in the pad | 15:41 |
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| ad_rien_ | what was your idea of 1B? | 15:41 |
| ad_rien_ | what we would like to do by evaluating the performance of scenario 1A is to identify latency/bw limitations | 15:42 |
| ad_rien_ | another scenario can be to evaluate the region deployment scenario (as described in the OpenStack documentation) | 15:42 |
| msimonin | scenario 1A seems similar to Nectar deployment where each location is a cell mapped to an availibilty zone ? | 15:43 |
| ad_rien_ | in 1A you have only compute nodes in remote locations | 15:43 |
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| ad_rien_ | in the nectar approach, they follow the cell v1 approach so you have some controller services in each location | 15:44 |
| ad_rien_ | let's move forward | 15:45 |
| ad_rien_ | #action try to prepare figures to illustrate the different scenarios | 15:45 |
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| ad_rien_ | so for the moment we have identified three scenarios | 15:46 |
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| msimonin | actually the scenario 1B proposed by ansmith is unclear to me | 15:47 |
| ansmith | if VNF1 instance is at B and VNF2 instances is at C | 15:48 |
| ad_rien_ | yes? | 15:48 |
| ansmith | scenario 1A implies they rely on A for network services | 15:48 |
| msimonin | what do you mean? | 15:48 |
| ansmith | scneario 1B would imply there are peer services at B and C | 15:49 |
| msimonin | in 1A instances can communicate between location using tunnels ? no ? | 15:49 |
| ansmith | to support optimal service chaining | 15:49 |
| ad_rien_ | I get the feeling that it depends how you are managing the network | 15:49 |
| ad_rien_ | (flat, ….) | 15:49 |
| ad_rien_ | if you are in the same domain, once the VMs (NFV instance) get their IPs, they can discuss directly | 15:50 |
| ad_rien_ | (this is a naive example just to check we are on the same wavelenght?) | 15:50 |
| ad_rien_ | from my understanding this is a drawback/limitations of the scenario 1A. | 15:51 |
| ansmith | same wavelength, need to think through some more in the scenario spec | 15:51 |
| ad_rien_ | ok | 15:51 |
| ad_rien_ | So just to be sure, with the vanilla code, is there other possible scenarios ? | 15:52 |
| ad_rien_ | once again, the objective is to identify pros/cons of each approach, missing features, performance limitations... | 15:52 |
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| ad_rien_ | based on that we can have stronger arguments to discuss with the openstack community and see what revisions/extensions can be proposed | 15:53 |
| ad_rien_ | is it ok for everyone? | 15:53 |
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| ad_rien_ | of we have 5 min | 15:54 |
| ad_rien_ | more | 15:54 |
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| ad_rien_ | I propose to switch to the open discussion as the other points are still related to the deployment scenarios | 15:54 |
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| ad_rien_ | #topic Open Discussion | 15:54 |
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| ad_rien_ | so on our side as mentioned we would be happy to get in touch Sanjay Aiyagar | 15:55 |
| ad_rien_ | would it be possible ansmith / kgiusti to introduce our WG? | 15:55 |
| ansmith | we will reach out to Sanjay and invite him to participate as well | 15:56 |
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| ad_rien_ | thanks | 15:56 |
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| ad_rien_ | we should have a discussion with Deutch telekom next fridau on our side too | 15:56 |
| ad_rien_ | will keep inform about the results | 15:56 |
| ad_rien_ | that's all for the Inria side | 15:56 |
| ad_rien_ | Others ? | 15:56 |
| ad_rien_ | Ok it seems that we are done | 15:57 |
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| ad_rien_ | I will clean the pad, please give it a look to see the actions we defined | 15:57 |
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| ad_rien_ | and feel free to complete/amend it | 15:58 |
| ad_rien_ | thanks | 15:58 |
| ad_rien_ | For attending the meeting | 15:58 |
| msimonin | thanks :) | 15:58 |
| ad_rien_ | #endmeeting | 15:58 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Nov 23 15:58:49 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/massively_distributed_clouds/2016/massively_distributed_clouds.2016-11-23-15.00.html | 15:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/massively_distributed_clouds/2016/massively_distributed_clouds.2016-11-23-15.00.txt | 15:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/massively_distributed_clouds/2016/massively_distributed_clouds.2016-11-23-15.00.log.html | 15:58 |
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| Cibo_ | hello | 16:09 |
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| Zara | anybody about for the famed storyboard meeting? | 19:00 |
| Zara | *internationally famed | 19:00 |
| SotK | o/ | 19:00 |
| Zara | then away we go! | 19:00 |
| Zara | #startmeeting storyboard | 19:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Nov 23 19:01:00 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Zara. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'storyboard' | 19:01 |
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| Zara | #topic Announcements | 19:01 |
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| Zara | I don't think we have any this week | 19:01 |
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| Zara | #topic Urgent Items | 19:02 |
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| Zara | None! | 19:02 |
| Zara | #topic In-Progress Work | 19:02 |
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| Zara | So, this week I went to OpenStack Day France, and some stuff came out of that | 19:02 |
| SotK | \o/ | 19:02 |
| SotK | do tell! | 19:02 |
| Zara | hahaha, I was planning to come back to that in Discussion | 19:02 |
| Zara | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/StoryBoard#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 19:03 |
| Zara | sneak preview ^ | 19:03 |
| SotK | that works for me :) | 19:03 |
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| SotK | I'm afraid I've done very little this week | 19:03 |
| Zara | yeah, it's been a weird week | 19:04 |
| Zara | we both spoke to the zuul team about some ui things, hoping for more feedback from there | 19:04 |
| Zara | I sent a patch for SpamapS' suggestion | 19:04 |
| Zara | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/400381/ | 19:04 |
| Zara | that changes the 'stories' icon to a book | 19:05 |
| Zara | since there was confusion over similarity with the 'tasks' icon | 19:05 |
| Zara | so if people are interested in that, it's up there! | 19:06 |
| SotK | oh nice | 19:06 |
| * SotK will review that later once I've decided how it makes me feel | 19:06 | |
| Zara | haha, yep, thought the best way for folk to discuss it was if they could see it | 19:07 |
| Zara | I'm not attached to any particular icons for things | 19:07 |
| Zara | so, other things... | 19:08 |
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| Zara | this is waiting on +workflow: | 19:08 |
| Zara | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/384532/ | 19:08 |
| Zara | which updates angular | 19:08 |
| * SotK wonders if he trusts the SotK of Oct 24 | 19:08 | |
| Zara | so a 'longterm health of the webclient' thing | 19:08 |
| Zara | haha | 19:08 |
| Zara | well, there's a draft build | 19:09 |
| SotK | trusts enough to +1 right now that is | 19:09 |
| Zara | I did test it on my end pretty thoroughly, but I agree you shouldn't take that as a guarantee | 19:09 |
| Zara | other things... | 19:10 |
| Zara | the 'about' page subheading annoyed me, so I sent a patch | 19:10 |
| Zara | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/399195/ | 19:10 |
| Zara | I'm fine leaving it if others feel strongly against that, it stuck out to me and I couldn't leave it. | 19:11 |
| * SotK wonders what persia thinks of the new content | 19:11 | |
| Zara | +1 | 19:11 |
| Zara | is the thought | 19:11 |
| Zara | (but I know not the specifics of the +1) | 19:12 |
| SotK | I don't really have any strong objection to either form | 19:12 |
| SotK | oh, I should have scrolled down | 19:12 |
| Zara | hah | 19:12 |
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| Zara | oh! | 19:13 |
| Zara | just noticed this | 19:13 |
| Zara | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/397341/ | 19:13 |
| Zara | it got caught because it got the requisite +1 after +2 | 19:13 |
| Zara | so it hasn't been +A'd | 19:13 |
| * SotK merges | 19:13 | |
| Zara | \o/ | 19:13 |
| Zara | *this time*, we'll have working install instructions | 19:13 |
| Zara | (how many times will I repeat that with optimism...?) | 19:14 |
| Zara | :) | 19:14 |
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| Zara | I think that's where I'm at with things; my changes have been pretty small and I've been travelling a bunch. | 19:14 |
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| * SotK wonders if such a thing has ever existed for anything | 19:15 | |
| Zara | hah | 19:15 |
| Zara | lmk if you see it! | 19:16 |
| Zara | ready to move on to discussion? | 19:16 |
| SotK | I am | 19:16 |
| Zara | 3, | 19:17 |
| Zara | 2 | 19:17 |
| Zara | 1 | 19:17 |
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| Zara | #topic Discussion | 19:17 |
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| Zara | So! | 19:17 |
| Zara | This Tuesday, I was at OpenStack Day, France! | 19:17 |
| * SotK is excited | 19:17 | |
| Zara | It was a nice event! Lots of informative talks, well organised, good wifi, tasty snacks | 19:18 |
| SotK | sounds great | 19:18 |
| SotK | I'm sad I couldn't make it | 19:18 |
| Zara | so nice work, everyone involved in that! :D | 19:18 |
| Zara | and yeah :( NEXT TIME | 19:18 |
| Zara | anyway, while there, I spoke with diablo_rojo and ttx about migrating teams to StoryBoard and soforth | 19:20 |
| Zara | one thing that's coming up a lot | 19:20 |
| Zara | is that there's a lot of tribal knowledge about the concepts and motivations behind storyboard | 19:21 |
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| Zara | (probably because the conversation is between a similar group of folk at each summit, same for our meetings, and so-on) | 19:22 |
| Zara | so, for example, people are asking if there's an API, as they don't have the context that it was designed to be an API-driven task-tracker. | 19:22 |
| Zara | and this information is readily available from our documentation, but people will not stumble across that | 19:23 |
| SotK | that makes sense | 19:24 |
| SotK | I actually think the API point has even come up in the task tracking session both times I've been there too | 19:24 |
| SotK | s/session/summit session/ | 19:24 |
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| Zara | yeah, I think it's a lot of folks' biggest concern, so it tends to be the first question for a newcomer, and I think in many projects it's something you only find out by looking at code. so yeah, in general, we need an easily-findable collection of materials that offer some context | 19:25 |
| Zara | explanations of the concepts (and how things map to lp), and so on | 19:26 |
| Zara | at the moment, we have various scattered things | 19:26 |
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| Zara | FOR EXAMPLE | 19:26 |
| Zara | #link https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/2000667 | 19:26 |
| * Zara has wanted a nicer version of that as a base for the 'about' page for a while | 19:26 | |
| Zara | so one thing that came up | 19:27 |
| Zara | was an idea to do a blog | 19:27 |
| SotK | I would like a blog | 19:27 |
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| SotK | also, this story is really nice and shiny | 19:27 |
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| Zara | haha, it's something I periodically realise we need when people start asking questions, then it gets put down the list... | 19:29 |
| Zara | I got things to line up by drawing them on paper and then tracing them with a tablet, because I don't quite understand how to use any technology, apparently | 19:29 |
| Zara | (paper = grid paper) | 19:29 |
| Zara | anyway, yeah, blog! | 19:30 |
| Zara | so, 'wordpress' came up; I think pelican is prrrrobably a better fit for us | 19:30 |
| Zara | since I know you admin a pelican site already, and I have at least deployed a pelican thing for testing before | 19:31 |
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| SotK | where admin == have recently started utilising, yeah | 19:32 |
| SotK | oh actually, there is also a blog that uses it that is older than that that I look after | 19:32 |
| Zara | hi, expert | 19:32 |
| SotK | yes, I like pelican, +1 for pelican over wordpress | 19:32 |
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| Zara | \o/ cool, I'm wondering about starting by putting things in a repo and then deciding where it can live later. | 19:33 |
| SotK | that works for me | 19:33 |
| Zara | I'd prefer more people around before we make anything formal, but I also don't want to get bogged down debating the best infrastructure | 19:33 |
| Zara | so I'd rather just try to get something up, then replace if vetoed. (I really doubt anyone would veto, though) | 19:34 |
| SotK | yeah, that seems like a sensible approach to me | 19:34 |
| Zara | woop | 19:35 |
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| SotK | now we get to debate where to put the repo! | 19:35 |
| Zara | hahaha | 19:35 |
| Zara | I like the idea of it being its own project, though that could take longer to set up, so we might want to make something first then import later | 19:36 |
| SotK | I feel like it definitely needs its own repository rather than being shoehorned elsewhere | 19:36 |
| Zara | yeah, when I say 'make something first', I was thinking of stuffing a repo into some free repo site hosting service thing someplace (I think I stumbled across some a while back, can't remember names offhand) | 19:37 |
| SotK | ah, good | 19:38 |
| SotK | we could use github pages perhaps? | 19:39 |
| Zara | yeah, I'd rather host it elsewhere for anything more serious than early 'hey does this look right?' purposes | 19:40 |
| * SotK too | 19:40 | |
| SotK | but github feels acceptable for "throw something up quickly" to me | 19:41 |
| * Zara currently uses it for her website but feels guilty | 19:41 | |
| Zara | so yeah, agreed on that | 19:41 |
| * Zara won't use an actual '#agreed' since it's just us | 19:42 | |
| SotK | :D | 19:42 |
| Zara | but I think we have enough to go on to put a skeleton up | 19:42 |
| SotK | shall we try to set somethign skeletal up by next meeting then? | 19:42 |
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| Zara | sounds good to me | 19:42 |
| Zara | we've got 18 minutes left | 19:42 |
| SotK | anything else you have that needs discussing here? | 19:43 |
| Zara | hm, well, would you rather start it or should I? | 19:44 |
| * Zara is wondering if 'we' will mean we both procrastinate and rush on tues | 19:44 | |
| SotK | I will try to throw something together this weekend, feel free to beat me to it :) | 19:45 |
| Zara | okay, challenge accepted! | 19:45 |
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| * Zara hasn't built one from scratch but should learn, and likes fussing with templates | 19:46 | |
| Zara | that's all I have to say on that; I'm hoping we can get a more detailed overview from other folk when they're no longer on planes and whatnot | 19:46 |
| Zara | (specific questions that keep coming up, etc) | 19:47 |
| SotK | I have nothing else to add either | 19:48 |
| SotK | I agree that more details from other folk would be best obtained when they are on solid ground | 19:48 |
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| Zara | yup | 19:49 |
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| Zara | oh, I guess the other thing that's coming up is that the mobile interface is putting people off | 19:51 |
| Zara | compared with other tools that offer boards | 19:51 |
| SotK | yeah, storyboard isn't great on mobile | 19:52 |
| SotK | I was reminded of that earlier in this meeting (my browser is half-width today and so I'm seeing the tablet version) | 19:52 |
| Zara | yeah, I think we have some form of 'fix mobile interface' story somewhere, and I hope/plan to divide that up | 19:53 |
| Zara | into pieces I can look at one at a time | 19:53 |
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| Zara | though I think the big dependency for that was the less/sass change | 19:54 |
| Zara | (hi betherly_! :P) | 19:54 |
| betherly_ | o/ | 19:54 |
| betherly_ | nipped in for the end! Sorry to be so late | 19:54 |
| betherly_ | will review logs :) | 19:54 |
| SotK | hi betherly_, no worries :) | 19:54 |
| Zara | no problem, it's great to see you! :D | 19:55 |
| betherly_ | :) | 19:55 |
| SotK | oh yeah, what is holding that up these days? | 19:55 |
| betherly_ | my time :p | 19:55 |
| betherly_ | things have been super busy trying to get set up at red hat | 19:55 |
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| Zara | :) how's it going? (yeah, headings were different sizes so I wanted to check fonts were rendering right, and needs a rebase) | 19:56 |
| betherly_ | basically less compiles css in a different order to sass so I need to ensure nothing's being over written | 19:56 |
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| Zara | cool, I can fix mobile things in a hacky way, I'm just wary of it needing further rebases if I do that | 19:58 |
| Zara | also the emotional pain my hacks will cause | 19:58 |
| SotK | :D | 19:59 |
| Zara | oh, nearly out of time! | 19:59 |
| Zara | I guess we can talk more in #storyboard if people want | 19:59 |
| Zara | #endmeeting | 20:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Nov 23 20:00:13 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2016/storyboard.2016-11-23-19.01.html | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2016/storyboard.2016-11-23-19.01.txt | 20:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2016/storyboard.2016-11-23-19.01.log.html | 20:00 |
| Zara | well, that was abrupt, sorry! but thanks, all! | 20:00 |
| SotK | thanks Zara, good meeting :) | 20:00 |
| betherly_ | thanks Zara !! | 20:03 |
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| notmyname | swift meeting time | 21:00 |
| notmyname | #startmeeting swift | 21:00 |
| acoles | here | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Nov 23 21:00:17 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is notmyname. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'swift' | 21:00 |
| notmyname | who's here for the swift meeting? | 21:00 |
| notmyname | I know torgomatic is out today. as is clayg | 21:00 |
| mattoliverau | o/ | 21:00 |
| pdardeau | hi | 21:00 |
| mathiasb | o/ | 21:00 |
| m_kazuhiro | o/ | 21:00 |
| mmotiani1 | Hi | 21:00 |
| hosanai | o/ | 21:00 |
| tdasilva | hello | 21:00 |
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| cschwede | o/ | 21:01 |
| notmyname | hosanai: hello! I hope you weren't negatively affected by the quake this week | 21:01 |
| nadeem | o/ | 21:01 |
| kota_ | hi | 21:01 |
| mattoliverau | There are more americans in attendance then I expected :) | 21:01 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: me too ;-) | 21:01 |
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| notmyname | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Swift | 21:02 |
| notmyname | ...is the agenda | 21:02 |
| joeljwright | o/ | 21:02 |
| notmyname | just a few things | 21:02 |
| hosanai | notmyname: thanks. my area doesn't close to the quake. | 21:02 |
| notmyname | hosanai: oh good | 21:03 |
| notmyname | a few FYIs that will affect us all | 21:03 |
| notmyname | first up | 21:03 |
| notmyname | #info swift 2.11.0 has been released | 21:03 |
| notmyname | thank you everyone who helped get that pushed over the line | 21:03 |
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| notmyname | I've proposed both 2.10.1 and 2.7.1 for stable releases as well. the changelog patches are in gerrit, and they look mostly good. a few comments on one | 21:04 |
| notmyname | I'd expect those to land next week, just because tomorrow and friday are US holidays | 21:04 |
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| notmyname | in other news, there was a significant change to the swift gate jobs this past weekend | 21:05 |
| notmyname | onovy did a great job finding, diagnosing, and fixing some issues that came up | 21:05 |
| mattoliverau | onovy: great work! | 21:05 |
| notmyname | the summary is that linux has a 128 character limit on the shebang lines in scripts, and the job name + the tox environment name has busted through that | 21:06 |
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| mattoliverau | lol, so long | 21:06 |
| notmyname | the change to tox.ini is to drop the "-in-process" substring from the two jobs that had it | 21:06 |
| notmyname | I'm not super happy with having to do that, but I was less happy with dropping other parts of the job/env name | 21:06 |
| kota_ | oh | 21:06 |
| notmyname | but, if we can figure out a better name, then we can change it | 21:07 |
| notmyname | here is the patch that did it https://review.openstack.org/#/c/399887/ | 21:07 |
| notmyname | so why this weekend instead of earlier? that part is my fault | 21:07 |
| notmyname | (but there's a silver lining too) | 21:07 |
| notmyname | so I added "-xfs-tmpdir" to the job name to distinguish it from the normal "tox" jobs in the gate | 21:08 |
| notmyname | that's the change that made it longer | 21:08 |
| notmyname | however, the good news is that now we have xfs in the gate! | 21:08 |
| notmyname | which means that when https://review.openstack.org/#/c/336323/ lands, we'll have full testing | 21:09 |
| notmyname | speaking of that patch, again I want to call it out this week -- it will potentially break your dev environment | 21:10 |
| notmyname | the change is that we stop mocking out xattr, so you have to run tests in an environment where large xattrs are supported | 21:10 |
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| notmyname | the patch now indicates that in docs, and it's ready for a full review | 21:10 |
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| notmyname | with that patch, if there isnt' an xfs tmpdir used, many of the tests will be skipped. it will be obvious | 21:11 |
| notmyname | I'd suggest that even if you don't want to do a full review, at least download it and run it on your dev setup just to get ready | 21:12 |
| mattoliverau | ahh skips over failure is good :) | 21:12 |
| tdasilva | just over 1k tests will be skipped :) | 21:12 |
| mattoliverau | wow | 21:12 |
| notmyname | IIRC is's something like 1.3k skips of 4.3k unit tests. and something like 418 of 456 in-process functional tests | 21:12 |
| notmyname | so it's obvious :-) | 21:12 |
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| notmyname | also, tdasilva keeps making merge conflicts for me with is refactoring of tests.py ;-) | 21:13 |
| tdasilva | lol | 21:13 |
| tdasilva | and i'm about to -1 that patch too ;) | 21:13 |
| mattoliverau | lol | 21:13 |
| notmyname | mine? | 21:13 |
| tdasilva | happy thanksgiving | 21:13 |
| notmyname | bah | 21:13 |
| notmyname | :-) | 21:13 |
| notmyname | joking aside, for everyone, it would be a good idea to prep now for the test environment change | 21:14 |
| notmyname | either mount your /tmp as xfs or set up an XFS partition somewhere and set TMPDIR to it | 21:14 |
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| mattoliverau | everyone update your saio build scripts ;) | 21:14 |
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| notmyname | so, also, there's a couple of things that have happened in openstack because of these changes | 21:15 |
| notmyname | first, fungi has proposed a TC resolution that explicitly says test prerequirements like this are perfectly ok. this is good, because previously it was a little bit of a gray area, and someone could have said "oh swift is being different". | 21:16 |
| notmyname | I'm happy to see that governance change | 21:16 |
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| mattoliverau | +1. fungi's awesome | 21:16 |
| notmyname | second, the -infra team is working on a longer term change that will make all the work I did in CI obsolete (which is good!) | 21:16 |
| notmyname | they're proposing that projects can keep a test-setup.sh script in a special place in the repo that will be called with root or sudo perms before tests are run | 21:17 |
| notmyname | in general that means that all the XFS setup I did in the CI system could be done in the future in a setup file in our repo | 21:18 |
| notmyname | which would have made the whole process a lot simpler | 21:18 |
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| mattoliverau | cool, that'll make life easier | 21:18 |
| notmyname | and from the infra side, it means that every different setup combination doesn't have to have a different job template now | 21:18 |
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| notmyname | "now" == in the future when this is implemented | 21:18 |
| notmyname | so, all that's good to see | 21:18 |
| notmyname | any questions on any of that? | 21:19 |
| notmyname | it's a dump of info, but it's stuff that affects all of us | 21:19 |
| acoles | notmyname: might the test-setup.sh script be passed the name of the test job so it can behave differently for various jobs? | 21:20 |
| mattoliverau | thats a good idea | 21:20 |
| acoles | IDK why yet, just wondering | 21:20 |
| notmyname | that is a good idea. I'm looking for the ML link | 21:21 |
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| notmyname | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-November/107784.html | 21:21 |
| notmyname | acoles: probably best to raise that in the ML thread | 21:21 |
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| timburke | alternatively, i wonder if they could pick out the env vars from the tox env, and set them before calling test-setup.sh... | 21:22 |
| acoles | notmyname: k | 21:22 |
| notmyname | yeah, I can imagine needing to do different swift test setup for the same reasons we have different tox environments now | 21:23 |
| acoles | so basically, "this is a neat idea, but you know swift, we'll probably want to use it differently" :P | 21:23 |
| notmyname | even if the job name is the only thing passed in, that's probably a good enough starting place for us to do the right thing in our own repo | 21:23 |
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| notmyname | lol, no. form the ML thread, it seems there's several different setups that are needed already today. we're not at all special here :-) | 21:24 |
| notmyname | different DB setups, from what I can tell | 21:24 |
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| notmyname | anything else on these test-related things? | 21:25 |
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| notmyname | ok, last thing I had on the agenda was to get some info | 21:26 |
| mattoliverau | not until I forget and wonder why an old SAIO is failing :P | 21:26 |
| notmyname | heh | 21:26 |
| notmyname | #topic current status of changing policies | 21:26 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "current status of changing policies (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:26 | |
| notmyname | over the past couple of years, changing policies/tiering/migrations/etc has come up several times, and there's been quite a bit of work on it | 21:26 |
| notmyname | I was recently asked about it, and when we'll have it upstream (yay! predictions about "done"!) | 21:27 |
| notmyname | so I wanted to make sure I had my head around all the pieces | 21:27 |
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| notmyname | so here's what I remember: | 21:27 |
| notmyname | symlinks needed first | 21:27 |
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| notmyname | then changing policies api | 21:28 |
| notmyname | then (maybe) something that does the policy change automatically | 21:28 |
| notmyname | are those the same big parts you remember, or did I leave somethign out? | 21:28 |
| tdasilva | i'm not sure the changing policies is a dependency, at least to what m_kazuhiro is doing | 21:29 |
| notmyname | current symlink work is at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/232162/ (led by tdasilva). then there's the change policies patch at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/209329/ from daisuke | 21:29 |
| notmyname | where's m_kazuhiro's work? | 21:30 |
| tdasilva | one sec | 21:30 |
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| tdasilva | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/287057/ | 21:30 |
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| m_kazuhiro | notmyname: automated-tiering is independent from changing policies. | 21:30 |
| acoles | tdasilva: is the distinction between policy migration vs tiering the granularity? migration means entire policy contents, tiering is per object movement between policies? | 21:30 |
| acoles | m_kazuhiro: ^^ | 21:31 |
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| tdasilva | acoles: yeah, i think that sounds like a fair description (but my understanding of the changing policies work is limited) | 21:31 |
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| notmyname | m_kazuhiro: is that how you understand it, too? | 21:32 |
| kota_ | yeah, and AFAIK, only auto-tiering depends on symlink but changing-policies doesn't | 21:32 |
| acoles | kota_: +1 | 21:32 |
| tdasilva | right | 21:32 |
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| m_kazuhiro | notmyname: yes | 21:33 |
| notmyname | ok, got it | 21:33 |
| notmyname | well, wait :-) | 21:33 |
| notmyname | we used a few different terms to talk about the same thing | 21:33 |
| tdasilva | lol | 21:33 |
| notmyname | assert policy migration == changing policies | 21:34 |
| tdasilva | True | 21:34 |
| notmyname | assert tiering == auto tiering | 21:34 |
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| tdasilva | True | 21:34 |
| notmyname | got it :-) | 21:34 |
| tdasilva | in my head | 21:34 |
| notmyname | thanks, tdasilva REPL | 21:34 |
| tdasilva | acoles: ? | 21:34 |
| acoles | also with policy-migration as I understand it the object urls remain unchanged, with tiering objects contents are moved to new (hidden) urls | 21:34 |
| tdasilva | hopefully hiddne | 21:35 |
| acoles | not hiddnee | 21:35 |
| notmyname | which is why tiering needs symlinks. to keep the same URLs available | 21:35 |
| acoles | notmyname: assertions correct IMO | 21:35 |
| m_kazuhiro | notmyname: Yes | 21:36 |
| acoles | notmyname: tiering needs symlinks because containers retain original policy, so new containers are need to move content to | 21:36 |
| tdasilva | notmyname: just FYI....in barcelona we also talked about some "infra" work that is somewhat generic that would be needed by auto-tiering and possibly used by other components | 21:37 |
| notmyname | so, hidden or not hidden URLs with tiering. I thought I remembered hidden URLs | 21:37 |
| acoles | tdasilva: yes! | 21:37 |
| tdasilva | I had a TODO to write those up, but haven't yet | 21:37 |
| tdasilva | sorry acoles | 21:37 |
| notmyname | tdasilva: ah, ok. I wasn't in the barca conversation, so I'm definitely interested in that | 21:37 |
| acoles | notmyname: I would hope for hidden urls for tiered objects | 21:37 |
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| tdasilva | notmyname: exactly, we all hope for hidden urls, but that's one of these "infra" discussions we had about how to tdo hidden urls | 21:38 |
| notmyname | right. new hidden urls in a differnet policy with a symlink in the original policy | 21:38 |
| notmyname | yeah, I could imagine myself arguing for not hidden urls ;-) | 21:38 |
| notmyname | (but now's not the time to hash that out) | 21:38 |
| tdasilva | well, it was more like hidden containers, but you get the idea | 21:38 |
| tdasilva | agree | 21:39 |
| notmyname | ok, I got what I needed to know. thanks :-) | 21:39 |
| notmyname | #topic open discussion | 21:39 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:39 | |
| notmyname | anything else to bring up this week? | 21:39 |
| acoles | tdasilva: notmyname: we discussed 1. how do we test these features? 2. is there a common "engine" for performing tasks required to implement internal object movement? 3. generic approach to hidden urls (e.g. alt reseller prefix??) | 21:39 |
| tdasilva | acoles: perfect | 21:40 |
| acoles | maybe timur's crawler is a step towards a common engine, IDK, I haven't reviewd it yet :/ | 21:40 |
| mattoliverau | In sharding I have hidden containers, but its a , (dot) prefixed account that is releted to the users account | 21:40 |
| mattoliverau | but it's just for container metadata | 21:41 |
| tdasilva | mattoliverau: would love to hear more about that, because that's one of the ideas we had, but there are also downsides to it | 21:41 |
| acoles | mattoliverau: right - another example - and I guess I wonder if future us will find it easier to grok swift if there are some generic mechanisms/patterns | 21:41 |
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| mattoliverau | +1 | 21:41 |
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| mattoliverau | in my case I don't have to worry about objects being hidden and therefore not tracked | 21:42 |
| mattoliverau | and I gather stats.. maybe a reseller prefix does make sense | 21:42 |
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| tdasilva | notmyname: have you heard any status from the tape library guys? we had good conversations in barcelona but haven't heard anything since... | 21:43 |
| notmyname | I have not | 21:43 |
| tdasilva | they were also interested in the auto-tiering work | 21:44 |
| acoles | tdasilva: do you remember the downsides to . prefic accounts? | 21:44 |
| tdasilva | ok | 21:44 |
| mattoliverau | they have a weekly phone meeting, so there still working on it | 21:44 |
| notmyname | they told me they had good conversations in barca with the optical storage people | 21:44 |
| tdasilva | right, panasonic, right? | 21:44 |
| notmyname | yes | 21:44 |
| * mattoliverau gets the invite but been to busy (work and baby to attend lately) | 21:44 | |
| hosanai | notmyname, tdasilva: regarding tape discussion, we will have a meeting in next week | 21:44 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: ah, cool | 21:44 |
| notmyname | I'm glad to hear that | 21:45 |
| tdasilva | acoles: i think it's what mattoliverau alluded, tracking the objects | 21:45 |
| kota_ | ping m_kazuhiro, he may know something on that | 21:45 |
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| tdasilva | hosanai: cool! | 21:45 |
| notmyname | anything else to bring up? | 21:45 |
| dmorita | Sorry I'm late | 21:45 |
| dmorita | It seems there was discussion about policy changingm, right? | 21:46 |
| tdasilva | acoles: i'll write those items up on a etherpad and we can continue the discussions there | 21:46 |
| notmyname | dmorita: yeah, just an overview of what's going on | 21:46 |
| acoles | tdasilva: thanks | 21:46 |
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| tdasilva | acoles: sorry for the delay | 21:46 |
| dmorita | I think as kota_ said, policy changing does not have dependency with symlink. | 21:46 |
| dmorita | I am working on how to work with fast-POST. | 21:46 |
| notmyname | cool | 21:47 |
| dmorita | Actually, it works well in my local, but need to add & fix some tests. | 21:47 |
| acoles | tdasilva: NP :) | 21:47 |
| dmorita | not fix tests. | 21:47 |
| dmorita | fix my code to work with unit tests. | 21:47 |
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| acoles | dmorita: apologies, I owe you an email reply re fast-post | 21:47 |
| dmorita | NP. Totally your first reply makes sense to me. | 21:48 |
| dmorita | Anyway, after I fix something, I will update my patch in gerrit. | 21:49 |
| notmyname | are we all good for this meeting today? anything else to bring up? | 21:50 |
| tdasilva | since we talked so much about it, here goes a shameless plug: symlinks is ready for review ;) | 21:50 |
| notmyname | tdasilva: :-) | 21:50 |
| tdasilva | notmyname: any other reviews to highlight this week? | 21:50 |
| notmyname | and look at all the work dependent on it! | 21:50 |
| acoles | tdasilva: lol | 21:50 |
| notmyname | I've been heads-down on the infra changes and the xattr stuff. I don't have anything else to highlight this week. except maybe the libec/pyeclib stuff to fully close the ec issue | 21:51 |
| timburke | thanks everybody for looking at my slo patches lately! | 21:51 |
| onovy | am i late, right? | 21:51 |
| mattoliverau | onovy: yup, a little :P | 21:52 |
| notmyname | onovy: yeah, just ending | 21:52 |
| acoles | timburke: slo sysmeta merged right? | 21:52 |
| onovy | do we have time for one question? | 21:52 |
| kota_ | hopefully, if someone would start my global ec cluster review :P | 21:52 |
| timburke | acoles: yup. and the parallel verification | 21:52 |
| notmyname | onovy: yes | 21:52 |
| notmyname | kota_: yes! (...so much to do...) | 21:53 |
| onovy | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/401330/ | 21:53 |
| onovy | i think we found that strange 'rsync metrics bug' | 21:53 |
| onovy | and i need to know another one opinion about it | 21:53 |
| tdasilva | kota_: patch? | 21:53 |
| onovy | we=Pavel | 21:53 |
| onovy | fix is really simple: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/401330/2/swift/obj/diskfile.py | 21:54 |
| notmyname | onovy: ah, cool | 21:54 |
| onovy | Pavel is going to stress test it in lab tomorrow | 21:54 |
| kota_ | tdasilva: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/219165/ here | 21:54 |
| onovy | but i don't want to test it in production before core review :) | 21:54 |
| onovy | i think it's relativly big regression. in some situation, replicator will not replicate changed partitions | 21:55 |
| notmyname | onovy: yeah, makes sense. this is a US holiday week, so reviews are a little light this week | 21:56 |
| onovy | notmyname: np | 21:56 |
| onovy | just want to say: don't lost your data in 2.7.0+ swift plus, good luck :) | 21:56 |
| notmyname | heh | 21:56 |
| cschwede | onovy: your patch is on my agenda for tomorrow morning | 21:57 |
| onovy | cschwede: nice! thanks a lot | 21:57 |
| cschwede | sounds scary | 21:57 |
| onovy | should Pavel go to IRC for talk? | 21:57 |
| onovy | (tomorrow) | 21:57 |
| cschwede | let me review+test first | 21:57 |
| onovy | cschwede: ok | 21:57 |
| onovy | 1/10 replication phase will force-recount hashes | 21:58 |
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| onovy | so this is fine | 21:58 |
| onovy | so every 10th phase will sync cluster correctly | 21:58 |
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| notmyname | we're at time, so I'm going to close the meeting | 21:59 |
| mattoliverau | onovy: I've got a pretty busy day, but will also try and take a look today. | 21:59 |
| acoles | notmyname: thanks for your work on infra stuff | 21:59 |
| onovy | mattoliverau: thanks too | 21:59 |
| mattoliverau | +1 | 21:59 |
| notmyname | np. it's been a ...learning... experience :-) | 21:59 |
| notmyname | thanks everyone for coming. thanks for working on swift | 21:59 |
| acoles | great! :P | 21:59 |
| onovy | for /me too :P | 21:59 |
| notmyname | #endmeeting | 21:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Nov 23 21:59:56 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2016/swift.2016-11-23-21.00.html | 22:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2016/swift.2016-11-23-21.00.txt | 22:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2016/swift.2016-11-23-21.00.log.html | 22:00 |
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