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| andreykurilin | #startmeeting Rally | 14:05 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Mon Nov 21 14:05:43 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is andreykurilin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:05 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Rally)" | 14:05 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'rally' | 14:05 |
| andreykurilin | hi folks! | 14:06 |
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| andreykurilin | #topic [andreykurilin] status of rally gates | 14:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "[andreykurilin] status of rally gates (Meeting topic: Rally)" | 14:07 | |
| andreykurilin | status: they are broken now | 14:07 |
| andreykurilin | lol | 14:07 |
| andreykurilin | it is not really good news, but it is not our fault | 14:08 |
| andreykurilin | Aodh(one of telemetry services) made uncompatible change at the end of previous week | 14:08 |
| andreykurilin | and they are not compatible with trusty | 14:09 |
| andreykurilin | I temporary turned off telemetry in our gates | 14:09 |
| andreykurilin | but it doesn't unblock us:( | 14:09 |
| andreykurilin | Since heatclient made another incompatible change | 14:10 |
| amaretskiy | :( | 14:10 |
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| andreykurilin | there is a patch to g-r to add this release to backlist, also heat team is working on proposing new release with right deprecation and compatibility layer | 14:10 |
| andreykurilin | So we will have unblocked gates soon | 14:11 |
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| andreykurilin | to prevent such situations in future, imo, we need to do the same as manila guys did | 14:11 |
| andreykurilin | they removed all "redundant services" from their gates, so no one affects them | 14:11 |
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| andreykurilin | let's do the same for all our jobs: identify and disable redundant services for partial job | 14:12 |
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| andreykurilin | any thoughts? | 14:13 |
| andreykurilin | amaretskiy ^ | 14:13 |
| amaretskiy | #vote +1 for removal of all unused services on gates | 14:14 |
| andreykurilin | nice | 14:14 |
| astudenov | me too | 14:14 |
| andreykurilin | cool | 14:15 |
| andreykurilin | #topic Policy for "create_and_list" scenarios | 14:15 |
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| andreykurilin | we have a lot of create_and_list scenario . for example NovaServers.create_and_list_servers | 14:15 |
| andreykurilin | But all such scenarios don't check that created entity presents in obtained list | 14:16 |
| andreykurilin | I case of several ceilometer scenarios I found that list doesn't return anything | 14:16 |
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| andreykurilin | it is a bad behaviour | 14:17 |
| andreykurilin | so let's make all new scenarios check list and add this check to old ones | 14:18 |
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| amaretskiy | why not simply improve existing scenarios? | 14:18 |
| amaretskiy | one by one | 14:18 |
| andreykurilin | yes, we need to improve existing scenarios | 14:18 |
| andreykurilin | and avoid additing new ones with bad behavior | 14:18 |
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| andreykurilin | Also it relates to next topic "update" scenarios. They should include check that entity is updated | 14:19 |
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| andreykurilin | ok | 14:20 |
| andreykurilin | if there are no comments, let's move to the next topic | 14:20 |
| andreykurilin | #topic Keystone v3 support | 14:20 |
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| andreykurilin | I had a great news! Last week I finished a chain of patches with compatibility layer for Keystone V2 & V3 . After we will merge them, all scenarios will be keystone v3 compatible | 14:21 |
| andreykurilin | and we will be able to move all our jobs to latest keystone api | 14:22 |
| amaretskiy | great! | 14:22 |
| andreykurilin | instead of using old on | 14:22 |
| andreykurilin | #topic Open discussion | 14:22 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open discussion (Meeting topic: Rally)" | 14:22 | |
| andreykurilin | anything else to discuss? | 14:22 |
| amaretskiy | no topics from me | 14:22 |
| andreykurilin | astudenov: ? | 14:22 |
| astudenov | nothing from me | 14:23 |
| andreykurilin | ok | 14:23 |
| andreykurilin | let's finish | 14:23 |
| andreykurilin | #endmeeting | 14:23 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 14:23 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Nov 21 14:23:09 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:23 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2016/rally.2016-11-21-14.05.html | 14:23 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2016/rally.2016-11-21-14.05.txt | 14:23 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2016/rally.2016-11-21-14.05.log.html | 14:23 |
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| lennyb | #startmeeting third-party | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Nov 21 15:01:42 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is lennyb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'third_party' | 15:01 |
| lennyb | Hello | 15:01 |
| mmedvede | o/ | 15:02 |
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| lennyb | Hi mmedvede, how are you? | 15:02 |
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| lennyb | anything you want to discuss today | 15:02 |
| mmedvede | hi, I am well | 15:03 |
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| mmedvede | lennyb: we had a problem with git.o.o in our CI recently (related to internal network) | 15:03 |
| mmedvede | I was wondering if any CI operators using local git mirrors | 15:04 |
| mmedvede | and if so, what is their implementation | 15:04 |
| lennyb | we are not using local gits | 15:04 |
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| lennyb | you do this to save some time and traffic? | 15:06 |
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| mmedvede | lennyb: mainly to avoid surprises in case of connectivity problems. Instead of each slave updating directly, you update from mirror | 15:07 |
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| mmedvede | I guess you would also save some resources (both for OpenStack infra and for us) | 15:07 |
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| mmedvede | that is all I had to discuss, lennyb | 15:08 |
| lennyb | mmedvede: I see, we have sometimes connectivity errors, I will consult with out IT to see if it's possible to mirror git | 15:08 |
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| lennyb | mmedvede: thanks. I will stay around to see if there are someone else for 3rd party meeting. | 15:09 |
| mmedvede | lennyb: btw, we were discussing merging working group meeting with this one, as there does not seem to be much attendance lately on either | 15:10 |
| mmedvede | so we can free up the Wed slot | 15:11 |
| lennyb | mmedvede: agreed | 15:11 |
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| mmedvede | wg meeting was biweekly, so we could figure out a way to share this slot between office hours and wg again, maybe also on biweekly schedule | 15:12 |
| lennyb | does this time slot suits most of the wg team? | 15:13 |
| mmedvede | people that were present did not mind | 15:13 |
| mmedvede | but I need to send out an email with announcement still | 15:14 |
| mmedvede | maybe there would be objections | 15:14 |
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| lennyb | sure. | 15:15 |
| mmedvede | #link third-party working group meeting discussion http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2016/third_party.2016-11-15-17.00.log.html | 15:15 |
| mmedvede | thanks lennyb | 15:16 |
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| lennyb | if there is nothing else to discuss I will close this meeting | 15:18 |
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| lennyb | mmedvede: thanks. See you next week. | 15:20 |
| mmedvede | +1 | 15:20 |
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| lennyb | #endmeeting | 15:21 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Nov 21 15:21:10 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:21 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2016/third_party.2016-11-21-15.01.html | 15:21 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2016/third_party.2016-11-21-15.01.txt | 15:21 |
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| rakhmerov | #startmeeting Mistral | 16:01 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'mistral' | 16:01 |
| rakhmerov | hi | 16:01 |
| ddeja | o/ | 16:01 |
| sharatss | rakhmerov: hi | 16:01 |
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| rakhmerov | hi-hi | 16:01 |
| rakhmerov | how are you guys? | 16:01 |
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| sharatss | rakhmerov: i am fine. you? | 16:02 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:02 |
| ddeja | I'm very fine, thanks. How you doin? | 16:02 |
| rakhmerov | still alive :) | 16:02 |
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| sharatss | ^^ :)) | 16:02 |
| rakhmerov | d0ugal said he'd be late | 16:02 |
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| mgershen | Hi | 16:02 |
| rakhmerov | mgershen: hi Michal ) | 16:03 |
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| rakhmerov | ok, let's start | 16:03 |
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| rakhmerov | maybe someone else will join as we go | 16:03 |
| rakhmerov | #topic Review action items | 16:03 |
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| rakhmerov | 1. d0ugal to create a doodle poll for the meeting time and/or follow up on the list with the results of the etherpad | 16:04 |
| rakhmerov | partially done | 16:04 |
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| rakhmerov | as it turns out the current time works for most people | 16:05 |
| rakhmerov | we may just add an alternate time for other folks | 16:05 |
| rakhmerov | he just wrote an email about it | 16:05 |
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| rakhmerov | 2. rakhmerov, rbrady, d0ugal: look at the StackStorm's implementation of actions to get more ideas and understanding of how it should be done | 16:06 |
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| rakhmerov | I haven't looked at it yet closely | 16:06 |
| rakhmerov | only scratched the surface | 16:06 |
| rakhmerov | not sure about d0ugal and rbrady, this is actually something I was hoping to discuss with them today | 16:07 |
| rakhmerov | 3. d0ugal, rbrady: update the Custom Actions API spec | 16:07 |
| rakhmerov | I believe this is WIP | 16:07 |
| rakhmerov | 4. d0ugal, rbrady: summarize the challenges we have with the current approach (decomposition into different repos etc.) | 16:07 |
| rakhmerov | We need info from d0ugal but I believe it's WIP too | 16:08 |
| rakhmerov | #topic Current status | 16:08 |
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| ddeja | My status: Reviews. And thanks to you all guys I know how to proceed with workflow-precondition spec, so I'll enchance it this week | 16:09 |
| mgershen | Working on the new tasks function with good progress | 16:10 |
| rakhmerov | my status: fixed a number of small but urgent (for us) bugs, started working on https://bugs.launchpad.net/mistral/+bug/1622534, after that I'm planning to fix 'with-items concurrency' and multiple engines | 16:10 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1622534 in Mistral "Incorrect launching of Mistral components" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to Renat Akhmerov (rakhmerov) | 16:10 |
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| rakhmerov | ddeja: my fault, I still haven't looked at it yet | 16:11 |
| rakhmerov | I will for sure, I'll have time time tomorrow | 16:11 |
| rakhmerov | was busy all the time with something urgent | 16:11 |
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| ddeja | rakhmerov: you can wait till wednesday, tommorow I'll re-write it based on input from others | 16:11 |
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| rakhmerov | mgershen: awesome, any roadblocks? | 16:12 |
| rakhmerov | ddeja: ok, then just ping me any time | 16:12 |
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| ddeja | ok | 16:12 |
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| mgershen | Going well, will send a new PS this week. | 16:13 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:14 |
| rakhmerov | d0ugal: on your way to the meeting? :) | 16:14 |
| rakhmerov | btw, another thing: I should have repair our lost gate | 16:15 |
| rakhmerov | for unit tests on postgres | 16:15 |
| rakhmerov | but CI was down the whole day today | 16:15 |
| rakhmerov | let me see | 16:15 |
| rakhmerov | it is still down | 16:16 |
| rakhmerov | but I see that the gate is back | 16:16 |
| rakhmerov | which is good | 16:16 |
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| rakhmerov | I'm also planning to add a similar gate but for mysql | 16:17 |
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| rakhmerov | ook, I was actually planning to discuss updates on Custom Actions API with d0ugal and rbrady now | 16:18 |
| rakhmerov | but not sure if they are here | 16:18 |
| rbrady | o/ | 16:18 |
| rakhmerov | ooh, hi Ryan | 16:18 |
| rakhmerov | how are you? | 16:18 |
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| rbrady | I'm doing well | 16:18 |
| rbrady | thanks | 16:18 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:18 |
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| rakhmerov | did you have a chance to do something on Mistral last couple of weeks? | 16:19 |
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| rbrady | I did not. I took some time off and it reduced my bandwidth | 16:19 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:20 |
| rbrady | this is a short week for me as well with a US holiday, but next week I should be doing more with Mistral | 16:20 |
| rakhmerov | what is that? Thanksgiving? | 16:20 |
| rbrady | yes | 16:20 |
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| rakhmerov | ooh, cool! | 16:20 |
| rakhmerov | ok, thanks | 16:20 |
| rakhmerov | then I'm still hoping that d0ugal will join us soon | 16:21 |
| rakhmerov | ok, guys, do you have anything else to discuss? | 16:21 |
| rakhmerov | sharatss, ddeja, mgershen? | 16:21 |
| ddeja | I have nothing | 16:21 |
| rakhmerov | sharatss: I remember I promised to review your patch | 16:21 |
| rakhmerov | I will | 16:21 |
| mgershen | Nothing on my side | 16:22 |
| sharatss | rakhmerov: i am mainly concentrating on the CLI part | 16:22 |
| sharatss | rakhmerov: haha :) thanks | 16:22 |
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| rakhmerov | sharatss: what exactly are you doing in CLI? | 16:22 |
| rakhmerov | so that we know | 16:22 |
| d0ugal | Hey all - sorry I'm late! | 16:22 |
| * d0ugal reads up | 16:22 | |
| sharatss | rakhmerov: improving the --debug info | 16:22 |
| rakhmerov | d0ugal: that's ok, seems like we just finished discussing all we had and wanted to move to your stuff | 16:23 |
| rakhmerov | sharatss: ooh, this is good | 16:23 |
| sharatss | rakhmerov: trying to bring in the cURL output when --debug is used | 16:23 |
| rakhmerov | sharatss: do we have a BP/bug where you can track your progress? | 16:23 |
| sharatss | rakhmerov: we do | 16:23 |
| rakhmerov | I remember we had something that it was filed in 'mistral' project, not 'python-mistralclient' | 16:23 |
| d0ugal | rakhmerov: cool, I am not sure I have that much stuff :) | 16:23 |
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| rakhmerov | if so, you need to file it in the right project | 16:24 |
| sharatss | rakhmerov: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mistral/+spec/improve-cli-debug-option | 16:24 |
| rakhmerov | sharatss: yes, right | 16:24 |
| rakhmerov | please close this one and file the same in 'python-mistralclient' and associate your commits on it with it | 16:24 |
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| rakhmerov | d0ugal: yeah, any updates from you? | 16:25 |
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| rakhmerov | d0ugal: I wanted to discuss any updates on actions, if you have them | 16:25 |
| sharatss | rakhmerov: i am also trying to implement the i18n translation support for all our sub projects | 16:25 |
| rakhmerov | sharatss: ok, good | 16:25 |
| sharatss | rakhmerov: i will ping you the link soon | 16:25 |
| d0ugal | rakhmerov: I started looking at the stackstorm code - but honestly I got a bit lost and couldn't really find our how their actions work. | 16:26 |
| rakhmerov | sharatss: please also try to finish the patch with 'retry', it's a pretty serious bug, I'd like to see it fixed as soon as possible | 16:26 |
| d0ugal | rakhmerov: but their code base is large, so I guess I just need to spend a bit more time on it | 16:26 |
| rakhmerov | d0ugal: ok, I see | 16:26 |
| sharatss | rakhmerov: i have fixed the test cases | 16:26 |
| rakhmerov | d0ugal: I also looked at it just a little bit | 16:26 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:27 |
| sharatss | rakhmerov: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/383617/ | 16:27 |
| rakhmerov | sharatss: ok :) | 16:27 |
| d0ugal | rakhmerov: so I'll continue doing that with rbrady | 16:27 |
| rakhmerov | #action rakhmerov: look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/383617/ | 16:27 |
| d0ugal | With many of my colleagues on holiday this week I should find some spare time :) | 16:27 |
| rakhmerov | d0ugal: ok, please | 16:27 |
| rakhmerov | yeah :) | 16:27 |
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| rakhmerov | but you can also have a turkey I guess ) | 16:28 |
| d0ugal | haha, sounds good! | 16:28 |
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| rakhmerov | ok, then seems like we discussed all we had | 16:29 |
| rakhmerov | ok to close the meeting? | 16:29 |
| d0ugal | rakhmerov: Did you manage to backport all the database transaction wor? | 16:30 |
| d0ugal | work | 16:30 |
| d0ugal | and was there a Newton release? | 16:30 |
| rakhmerov | d0ugal: saw your email on time slots, will reply | 16:30 |
| d0ugal | Thanks. | 16:30 |
| rakhmerov | d0ugal: yes, I did backport all needed stuff (and some more) but I didn't make a new point release yet | 16:30 |
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| rakhmerov | in newton | 16:30 |
| d0ugal | Right | 16:30 |
| d0ugal | I guess it would be good to have that soon. | 16:31 |
| rakhmerov | I want to make sure that all is included | 16:31 |
| d0ugal | but at least it is backported | 16:31 |
| d0ugal | suer | 16:31 |
| d0ugal | sure, thanks | 16:31 |
| rakhmerov | d0ugal: soon? you need it soon? | 16:31 |
| d0ugal | Not for me, just for everyone :) | 16:31 |
| rakhmerov | ooh, I see | 16:31 |
| rakhmerov | yes | 16:31 |
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| rakhmerov | I agree | 16:31 |
| rakhmerov | surprisingly, all these latest changes got into Red Hat's RPMs already ) | 16:32 |
| d0ugal | I think it was a big issue for Xavier Hardy | 16:32 |
| d0ugal | rakhmerov: oh, cool | 16:32 |
| rakhmerov | which is what we need at Nokia | 16:32 |
| d0ugal | hah :) | 16:32 |
| rakhmerov | d0ugal: it was a big issue for everyone! | 16:32 |
| d0ugal | Indeed, but worse for postgres I think | 16:32 |
| rakhmerov | d0ugal: btw, wanna remind you about the tests for that stuff | 16:32 |
| rakhmerov | once you have time | 16:32 |
| d0ugal | rakhmerov: right, I had a look into it but couldn't really figure out a nice way to do it | 16:33 |
| rakhmerov | yeah | 16:33 |
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| rakhmerov | btw, postgres gate is back | 16:33 |
| d0ugal | I'll add that to my list for this week, maybe we can chat about it sometime | 16:33 |
| d0ugal | Great | 16:33 |
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| d0ugal | Did you find out what happened to it? | 16:33 |
| rakhmerov | infra folks helped me to get it back | 16:33 |
| rakhmerov | thanks to Andreas | 16:33 |
| rakhmerov | d0ugal: yes, I did | 16:34 |
| rakhmerov | d0ugal: yeah, let's discuss tests for those hanging transactions in IRC | 16:34 |
| rakhmerov | I think I have some ideas how to implement them | 16:34 |
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| d0ugal | Great, thanks! | 16:35 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:35 |
| rakhmerov | so, anything else? | 16:35 |
| d0ugal | Nothing else from me :) | 16:35 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:35 |
| sharatss | rakhmerov: i have something to ask not regarding the project but regarding the summit in Feb | 16:35 |
| rakhmerov | sharatss: yes, go ahead | 16:36 |
| rakhmerov | sharatss: I'm coming | 16:36 |
| rakhmerov | :) | 16:36 |
| sharatss | rakhmerov: regarding PTG | 16:36 |
| rakhmerov | so are some other folks | 16:36 |
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| sharatss | rakhmerov: i am still confuised with the rules this time. Just wanted to make sure Mistral guys are there :P | 16:37 |
| rakhmerov | yes, we will be there | 16:37 |
| rakhmerov | we asked for space | 16:37 |
| rakhmerov | but I did not register yet, will do soo | 16:38 |
| rakhmerov | soon | 16:38 |
| rakhmerov | sharatss: you are planning to come too? | 16:38 |
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| sharatss | rakhmerov: yes. if budget permits :P | 16:38 |
| rakhmerov | that would be awesome | 16:38 |
| rakhmerov | let's keep in touch on that | 16:39 |
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| sharatss | rakhmerov: i would love to meet the team :) | 16:39 |
| rakhmerov | we could also have a couple of beers in Atlanta ;) | 16:39 |
| rakhmerov | I know a good place in downtime haha :) | 16:39 |
| rbrady | beer++ | 16:39 |
| rakhmerov | :) | 16:39 |
| d0ugal | haha | 16:40 |
| d0ugal | now I want to go! | 16:40 |
| rakhmerov | yes, try to approve your budget :) | 16:40 |
| rbrady | d0ugal: I can stream it to you on hangouts | 16:40 |
| rakhmerov | :) | 16:40 |
| rakhmerov | ok, sharatss, it would be cool if you could come | 16:40 |
| rakhmerov | anything else guys? | 16:40 |
| d0ugal | rbrady: thanks, you need to ship me beer so I can join in. | 16:40 |
| rakhmerov | :)) | 16:41 |
| sharatss | pls ship me a beer even if i cannot come :( | 16:41 |
| rakhmerov | haha | 16:41 |
| rakhmerov | yeah | 16:41 |
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| rakhmerov | ok, let's finish? | 16:41 |
| rakhmerov | if no objections | 16:41 |
| sharatss | rakhmerov: no objections | 16:42 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:42 |
| mgershen | Ok | 16:42 |
| rakhmerov | thanks for joining | 16:42 |
| rakhmerov | I appreciate it | 16:42 |
| rakhmerov | bye | 16:42 |
| d0ugal | Thanks! | 16:42 |
| rbrady | bye | 16:42 |
| ddeja | thanks, bye! | 16:42 |
| sharatss | thanks :) | 16:42 |
| mgershen | Bye | 16:42 |
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| rakhmerov | #endmeeting | 16:42 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Nov 21 16:42:48 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:42 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2016/mistral.2016-11-21-16.01.html | 16:42 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2016/mistral.2016-11-21-16.01.txt | 16:42 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2016/mistral.2016-11-21-16.01.log.html | 16:42 |
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| emagana | Meeting time for the UC! | 19:00 |
| emagana | #startmeeting uc | 19:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Nov 21 19:00:25 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is emagana. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:00 |
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| docaedo | Hello! | 19:00 |
| mrhillsman | o/ | 19:00 |
| emagana | Let's make a quick roll call. Attendees please, say Hi! | 19:01 |
| mrhillsman | Hi! | 19:01 |
| docaedo | Hi! | 19:01 |
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| shamail | Hi everyone | 19:01 |
| * shamail is in two meetings at once (conflict with Enterprise WG) | 19:02 | |
| emagana | Sorry about that shamail | 19:02 |
| emagana | Hello all everybody! | 19:02 |
| shamail | np sir | 19:02 |
| emagana | Ok, let's start with the first topic in our agenda | 19:03 |
| emagana | #topic: Review proposed bylaws changes | 19:03 |
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| emagana | This is the google doc. #link https://docs.google.com/document/d/1QmLOeseAkjBWM_TXsUeKBErNaSHnuZp81II0T71ARfo/edit?usp=sharing | 19:04 |
| emagana | Let me first give you an update on this proposal. | 19:05 |
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| emagana | In the Board of Directors of the Barcelona summit, we presented the very first version of this document for the initial review of the board. | 19:06 |
| emagana | We received very positive feedback from the board, basically everybody agreed that this is the right path for the future of the UC. | 19:06 |
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| emagana | We also received feedback on the wording and few areas that we quickly reviewed together and made the proper adjustments. | 19:07 |
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| emagana | Also in Barcelona during the UC session we received more feedback that we have included in the document | 19:07 |
| emagana | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/BCN-UC | 19:07 |
| emagana | Finally, last week we have a working session with few members of the Foundation (Jonathan, Tom) and members of the Board, the Chair Alan Clark and Mark (our legal advisor) | 19:09 |
| emagana | Out of that meeting we mostly receive feedback on what should be added in the by-laws and what should be in the UC Charter | 19:09 |
| emagana | #link http://governance.openstack.org/uc/reference/charter.html | 19:10 |
| emagana | In a nutshell, the recommendation is to be more inclusive and less restrictive in the By-laws and be more specific in the UC charter. | 19:10 |
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| emagana | The reason behind this is because it is easier to make adjustments to the charter than to the by-laws and we all agreed. | 19:11 |
| emagana | For instance, in our UC session we proposed not having the UC members be able to be re-elected more than one period. The suggestion is to remove that from the by-laws and to be added to the charter. | 19:12 |
| emagana | So, let me pause for a minute here. Any questions so far? | 19:12 |
| mrhillsman | None | 19:12 |
| emagana | I am almost done with this report. | 19:12 |
| emagana | OK. | 19:13 |
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| emagana | Next steps is to have those changes introduced in the document. Jon P., Shilla and I are working on those. | 19:13 |
| emagana | We also need to prepare a gerrit commit with the changes to the charter. | 19:14 |
| emagana | The next Board meeting is in Dec and we will potentially have the final voting for the changes then. | 19:14 |
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| emagana | If the changes are approved we will open for elections in Feb to fulfill two spots in the UC and three more in August ishh... | 19:15 |
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| emagana | Now, does anyone have any suggestion, concerns or comment on the proposal? | 19:16 |
| emagana | (pausing for a couple of minutes to let people to think about it) | 19:16 |
| docaedo | I like the proposal (have followed along for some time) and appreciate all the work you folks are putting into it - thanks! | 19:17 |
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| mrhillsman | I agree that it makes sense to do so to allow for adjustment | 19:17 |
| emagana | sounds good! | 19:18 |
| emagana | Now, the next topic. | 19:18 |
| emagana | #topic Proposed charter changes (to match proposed bylaws) | 19:18 |
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| emagana | Unfortunately, we haven't started these changes but it is my action item | 19:18 |
| shamail | Will this information be posted to the same google doc? | 19:18 |
| emagana | #action emagana to summit the Uc charter changes to match the feedback received about the by-laws changes. | 19:19 |
| emagana | shamail: the charter changes will be posted in the same google doc as a link to the gerrit commit | 19:19 |
| shamail | thanks | 19:19 |
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| emagana | Everybody, questions? | 19:21 |
| shamail | none for now | 19:21 |
| emagana | Please, add your comments to the Google Doc. It is very important to have a lot of people reviewing the wording and the agreements, this is our only one shot to make the UC as equivalent as the TC | 19:22 |
| docaedo | emagana: suggest you also send a similar update to the mailing list to get more eyes on it (but I imagine you were planning that already) | 19:24 |
| emagana | The next Board of Directors meeting is on Dec 6th | 19:24 |
| emagana | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/Foundation/6Dec2016BoardMeeting | 19:24 |
| emagana | docaedo: good reminder, yes I will. | 19:24 |
| emagana | #action emagana to send a reminder for feedback and status on the changes to the ML | 19:25 |
| emagana | moving on | 19:26 |
| emagana | #topic Open Agenda | 19:26 |
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| emagana | I have already posted a lot of staff. Anyone has anything to share and/or discuss? | 19:27 |
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| docaedo | Nothing from me | 19:28 |
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| mrhillsman | Nothing yet | 19:28 |
| emagana | sounds good@ | 19:29 |
| emagana | shorts meeting are more efficient that long ones. | 19:29 |
| docaedo | +1 | 19:29 |
| shamail | Thanks emagana | 19:29 |
| emagana | I think you for attending. Let's keep attending and asking the rest of the team to do as well | 19:30 |
| docaedo | yep, appreciate it - hopefully we'll see some discussion on the mailing list or at least positive feedback on the pending changes | 19:30 |
| emagana | I thank** not think LOL | 19:30 |
| emagana | ciao ciao folks! | 19:30 |
| emagana | #endmeeting | 19:30 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Nov 21 19:30:45 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:30 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/uc/2016/uc.2016-11-21-19.00.html | 19:30 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/uc/2016/uc.2016-11-21-19.00.txt | 19:30 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/uc/2016/uc.2016-11-21-19.00.log.html | 19:30 |
| mrhillsman | thx emagana | 19:31 |
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| docaedo | Attention App Dev Enablement Working Group! Ready for our exciting meeting? | 22:00 |
| cbsterrett | sure | 22:01 |
| Patifa | yay! | 22:01 |
| docaedo | I need a courtesy ping list for folks too to remind olaph and others :/ | 22:01 |
| docaedo | Patifa: you want to run this one? | 22:01 |
| Patifa | nope | 22:01 |
| docaedo | haha ok | 22:01 |
| Patifa | I can write down the actions | 22:02 |
| docaedo | #startmeeting app_ecosystem_wg | 22:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Nov 21 22:02:54 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is docaedo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 22:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 22:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: app_ecosystem_wg)" | 22:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'app_ecosystem_wg' | 22:02 |
| docaedo | Patifa: thats what we have meeting bot for! | 22:03 |
| docaedo | Welcome, todays agenda: | 22:03 |
| docaedo | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/2016_Nov_21_App_Dev_Enablement | 22:03 |
| docaedo | #topic Improve developer.openstack.org and/or www.openstack.org/appdev | 22:03 |
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| docaedo | ping reed :) | 22:04 |
| docaedo | not sure of any other IRC handles from folks volunteered for that work | 22:04 |
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| docaedo | but I suspect with this being a big holiday week in the US a lot of people are taking time off | 22:04 |
| Patifa | I'm not sure Alejandra is here | 22:04 |
| docaedo | It looks like it's just the three of us - are there any topics from the barcelona agenda that are worth discussing? | 22:05 |
| docaedo | or plan B, we have a short meeting and try to drive this conversation on the mailing list? | 22:05 |
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| Patifa | How about the survey? | 22:05 |
| cbsterrett | I guess I will ask my question, are we still going to open the meeting with app_ecosystem_wg to keep the logs together? | 22:05 |
| docaedo | actually regardless, here comes an action for me: | 22:06 |
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| docaedo | #action docaedo to start mailing list thread re: "Improve developer.openstack.org and/or www.openstack.org/appdev" | 22:06 |
| docaedo | cbsterrett: I thought I'd do that for this meeting for the sake of consistency, but I could be talked out of it pretty easily - does seem valuable though to keep all the meetings in the same place on the log server | 22:06 |
| docaedo | (consistency, or maybe continuity is more the point) | 22:07 |
| cbsterrett | It made me laugh when you asked Patifa to run the meeting I was thinking not me, I wouldn't know how to start it :) | 22:07 |
| docaedo | hahaha | 22:07 |
| docaedo | #topic The Survey (patifa) | 22:08 |
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| Patifa | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/AppEco_WG_BCN | 22:08 |
| Patifa | Under 1.1.3.2... We though about creating this survey to collect data from app devs in various events | 22:09 |
| docaedo | Yep, I do remember this | 22:10 |
| Patifa | I guess this is something we can brainstorm a little bit about.. and than take it to the mailing list | 22:10 |
| docaedo | Agreed | 22:10 |
| Patifa | So.. mapping the events... | 22:11 |
| docaedo | That part of the issue is not meaningful/useful to me | 22:11 |
| Patifa | I listed a few there.. hackathons, meetups, traing... | 22:11 |
| docaedo | Sure - I think the more important thing though is coming up with the questions and then blasting the mailing list regularly (as well as having the foundation send a note to all user group organizers) | 22:12 |
| Patifa | besides creating the survey we need a strategy about how we're going to distribute that | 22:12 |
| docaedo | *or if not the foundation, maybe there's a list we can get from their user groups page... | 22:12 |
| Patifa | ok... let's start creating the survey then | 22:13 |
| docaedo | right - I did not see this as a one time thing though, I think it's more valuable if we try to get people to ask a few questions and share the answers regularly | 22:13 |
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| docaedo | (vs. doing an annual survey or something) | 22:13 |
| Patifa | (changed the order in the etherpad) | 22:13 |
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| Patifa | I don't see it as a one time thing either | 22:13 |
| docaedo | makes sense though to think about it carefully though, I'm glad you are. Making sure we actually have a plan for getting the survey to people and a way to collect the answers (along with even details, etc.) | 22:14 |
| docaedo | (I apologize for using "though" twice in that sentence, that's just terrible grammar) | 22:14 |
| Patifa | thanks for apologizing | 22:14 |
| Patifa | ;) | 22:15 |
| docaedo | #action docaedo to work on improving his proper utilization of the words | 22:15 |
| Patifa | So, 1st thing to define.. what do we want to find out? | 22:15 |
| docaedo | yep, should we throw ideas up on etherpad, or just here? | 22:16 |
| docaedo | I'd say: | 22:16 |
| Patifa | I was thinking about starting a new etherpad just for that | 22:16 |
| cbsterrett | +1 | 22:16 |
| docaedo | works for me | 22:16 |
| Patifa | just a second... | 22:17 |
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| docaedo | FASTER! | 22:17 |
| Patifa | loading... | 22:17 |
| Patifa | loading... | 22:17 |
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| Patifa | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/AppDevEnablement_DevSurvey | 22:18 |
| Patifa | technologies ok | 22:20 |
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| docaedo | so technologies - would that be platforms and languages? Or something else? | 22:22 |
| cbsterrett | I was going to say sure | 22:22 |
| cbsterrett | :) | 22:22 |
| cbsterrett | I guess more technologies, PaaS layers, etc | 22:22 |
| cbsterrett | and have languages separeate | 22:23 |
| Patifa | why are we doing the survey in the 1st place... is it to define the type of content we want to make available in openstack.org/appdev? | 22:23 |
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| docaedo | For me the point of the survey is that I want to know what apps folks are developing, and how they're doing it (expecting they might not be developing "native" OpenStack apps on openstack) | 22:24 |
| Patifa | ok.. what for? | 22:24 |
| cbsterrett | I was thinking to investigate what we need to cover as a group as a whole, not just the web site | 22:24 |
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| docaedo | so if we learn most respondents at user groups and other events are using cloud foundry, or docker + swarm or something, it will be pretty useful w/r/t where to focus | 22:25 |
| Patifa | so the goal is to help define the WG goals | 22:25 |
| cbsterrett | I agree | 22:25 |
| docaedo | I think so, for me yes | 22:25 |
| Patifa | 3 yeseesesss | 22:26 |
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| Patifa | (grammar police can help me with plural) | 22:26 |
| docaedo | more than two "yes" responses constitute a collective hell yes | 22:28 |
| Patifa | ok... hell yes... got it | 22:28 |
| Patifa | Goal: collect data from app dev about what and how they are developing to help shape App Dev Enablement WG goals. | 22:28 |
| docaedo | +1 | 22:29 |
| cbsterrett | +1 | 22:29 |
| docaedo | I would say target audience is application developers - or do you mean something else? | 22:30 |
| Patifa | is there a specific target audience? do we care what size company they work for.. ? | 22:30 |
| Patifa | type of app? | 22:31 |
| Patifa | I don't know... | 22:31 |
| docaedo | oh I don't think we would want to limit it based on size | 22:31 |
| cbsterrett | Can we say something like end user application developers or something to distinguish from our usual openstack services developers | 22:31 |
| Patifa | do we want input from operators? | 22:31 |
| docaedo | and for "type of app" I still think there's not really anyone developing "OpenStack" apps (in any appreciable numbers), but I'd like to be proven wrong on that, or learn at least what kind of apps are being developed and how/where | 22:32 |
| docaedo | Operators could be a good source especially if they're operating a cloud used by developers | 22:32 |
| Patifa | is it a different survey? operator and devs? | 22:33 |
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| cbsterrett | My fear is operators will give us openstack apps, but they will be reports and operator automation | 22:33 |
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| cbsterrett | nothing that anybody sees | 22:33 |
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| Patifa | I don't have an opinion... | 22:35 |
| docaedo | true but if the operators are developing apps to do that it still counts - and in fact might be the best example of a native openstack app | 22:35 |
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| Patifa | so one survey, app dev and operators? same questions for all? | 22:37 |
| docaedo | I think so - I also might be thinking different survey in general - my thinking was more like 3-4 questions you can ask a group, to spark a conversation, and try to catalog what people say | 22:39 |
| docaedo | I was not thinking about a survey we mail out to a small group (or a big group) | 22:39 |
| Patifa | more like a focus group then | 22:39 |
| cbsterrett | Yeah but that requires moderators and note takers | 22:39 |
| docaedo | so maybe worth clarifying whether that's the point of this since maybe I have a different view | 22:39 |
| docaedo | I would say anyone hosting a user group can moderate and take notes | 22:40 |
| docaedo | I would imagine asking these questions (or maybe just getting a show of hands to start off - see if it's worth asking any more questions) | 22:40 |
| Patifa | focus groups are great... and produce rich data.. they are harder to replicate consistently | 22:40 |
| docaedo | anyway, could see them being asked at the end of each meetup | 22:40 |
| cbsterrett | and take longer to complete, but are more likely to get completed | 22:41 |
| docaedo | focus groups seem like a *lot* of administrative effort though | 22:41 |
| docaedo | vs this, which would be "come up with some questions, spam the user group organizers and beg them to ask questions and send the answers back each time they meet" | 22:41 |
| cbsterrett | I think survey is easier, should we start there and see if we get any responses | 22:42 |
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| Patifa | we can work on both... we can have a script for a guided conversation in meetups and point ppl to a survey | 22:43 |
| Patifa | for other events like hackathon or trainings the survey might be better - for a larger audience | 22:44 |
| Patifa | (focus group is now guided conversation but we can call it aedo circles ;) | 22:44 |
| docaedo | hah you want to make this a real thing :D I was just thinking we'll agree on a few questions and be done (but I'm happy to help if you're going to make this much more thorough) | 22:45 |
| cbsterrett | LOL | 22:45 |
| docaedo | oh hell no, don't coin my name in that phrase! | 22:45 |
| docaedo | :p | 22:45 |
| Patifa | hahahahaha | 22:45 |
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| Patifa | I was thinking big, let's send this out everywhere!!! we can start small though | 22:47 |
| Patifa | sorry - Though we can start small though though | 22:47 |
| docaedo | hahahaha | 22:48 |
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| Patifa | 10 min | 22:50 |
| docaedo | 10 minutes left! | 22:50 |
| docaedo | haha dangit! | 22:50 |
| docaedo | ok should one of us take an action to start a mailing list thread on this topic (survey), intro the goals and stuff, and share the etherpad link (plus probably a link to this meeting log for additional context) ? | 22:51 |
| Patifa | I can do that. | 22:51 |
| Patifa | #action Patifa start a mailing list thread on this topic (survey), intro the goals and stuff, and share the etherpad link (plus probably a link to this meeting log for additional context) | 22:52 |
| Patifa | didn't work | 22:52 |
| Patifa | #action: Patifa start a mailing list thread on this topic (survey), intro the goals and stuff, and share the etherpad link (plus probably a link to this meeting log for additional context) | 22:52 |
| Patifa | I don't know how to do this. | 22:52 |
| Patifa | But I'll take the action | 22:52 |
| docaedo | It did work I think - it will just show up in the meeting minutes (thanks meetingbot!) | 22:53 |
| Patifa | ok! | 22:53 |
| docaedo | 7 minutes remaining | 22:53 |
| docaedo | #topic Open discussion | 22:53 |
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| Patifa | do you want to take a stab at what are the steps for the guided conversation bit AKA Aedo circles? | 22:54 |
| docaedo | haha sure I can work through the steps for the Aedo Circles | 22:54 |
| Patifa | see.. it's catching already! | 22:54 |
| cbsterrett | it is | 22:55 |
| docaedo | so funny | 22:55 |
| Patifa | I named UX design techniques before... but that story requires beer | 22:55 |
| docaedo | agreed! | 22:56 |
| Patifa | 3 min | 22:57 |
| docaedo | well i think we are done? | 22:57 |
| cbsterrett | yeah | 22:58 |
| docaedo | success! | 22:58 |
| docaedo | Thanks for coming folks, talk to you later, don't forget to action up your action items! | 22:58 |
| docaedo | #endmeeting | 22:58 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Nov 21 22:58:41 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/app_ecosystem_wg/2016/app_ecosystem_wg.2016-11-21-22.02.html | 22:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/app_ecosystem_wg/2016/app_ecosystem_wg.2016-11-21-22.02.txt | 22:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/app_ecosystem_wg/2016/app_ecosystem_wg.2016-11-21-22.02.log.html | 22:58 |
| docaedo | oh also happy thanksgiving if you're in a province that celebrates such a thing! | 22:59 |
| Patifa | I celebrate any day off | 22:59 |
| Patifa | ;) | 22:59 |
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| cbsterrett | you too | 22:59 |
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