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| ramishra | #startmeeting heat | 08:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Nov 16 08:00:34 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ramishra. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 08:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 08:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: heat)" | 08:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'heat' | 08:00 |
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| ramishra | #topic roll call | 08:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "roll call (Meeting topic: heat)" | 08:00 | |
| skraynev | o/ | 08:00 |
| ricolin | o/ | 08:01 |
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| therve | Hi | 08:01 |
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| tiantian | o/ | 08:01 |
| cwolferh | o/ | 08:02 |
| ramishra | we've more people in the meeting today:) | 08:02 |
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| ramishra | Would wait a minute for any more to join. | 08:03 |
| ramishra | ok | 08:04 |
| ramishra | #topic adding items to agenda | 08:04 |
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| ramishra | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/HeatAgenda#Agenda_.282016-11-16_0800_UTC.29 | 08:04 |
| ramishra | #topic o-1 status | 08:05 |
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| ramishra | #link https://launchpad.net/heat/+milestone/ocata-1 | 08:05 |
| ramishra | we seem to be in good shape | 08:05 |
| ramishra | I'm thinking we'll tag it tomorrow, may be some more bug fixes can go in. | 08:06 |
| ramishra | there are 2 bps not reviewed yet | 08:06 |
| ramishra | just 2 resources. | 08:07 |
| ramishra | may be we can review and get them in? | 08:07 |
| therve | ramishra, We really need https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bug/1634127 in | 08:07 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1634127 in heat "Failure trying to list stacks" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to Thomas Herve (therve) | 08:07 |
| ricolin | neutron quota? | 08:07 |
| therve | Regarding the bp, I don't think there is anything urgent | 08:07 |
| ramishra | therve: I was about to ask that. | 08:08 |
| ramishra | I saw this today again http://logs.openstack.org/61/388561/4/check/gate-heat-dsvm-functional-orig-mysql-lbaasv2/d0fd283/logs/screen-h-api.txt.gz?level=ERROR | 08:08 |
| ramishra | zaneb is yet to respond on that. | 08:08 |
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| ramishra | yeah, we can push the bps to o-2 if not reviewed | 08:09 |
| therve | If someone else can comment, we can always make another fix afterwards | 08:09 |
| ramishra | Probably check with zaneb this evening before approving? | 08:10 |
| skraynev | ramishra: I want to remind about new tag for heatclient | 08:10 |
| skraynev | as we wanted to do it after 01 | 08:10 |
| ramishra | skraynev: yeah, we'll do that | 08:11 |
| skraynev | Ocata 1 I mean | 08:11 |
| skraynev | :) | 08:11 |
| skraynev | ramishra: great. thank you | 08:11 |
| ramishra | cwolferh: I'm pushing bug 1524013 to o-2 | 08:11 |
| openstack | bug 1524013 in heat "Arbitrarily-large resource properties should be allowed in events" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1524013 - Assigned to Crag Wolfe (cwolfe) | 08:11 |
| ramishra | there is a series of patches yet to be reviewed. | 08:11 |
| cwolferh | ramishra, ack. the refactor ones are taking longer than i would have thought :-/ | 08:12 |
| ramishra | cwolferh: thanks. | 08:12 |
| ramishra | there is one high priority bug 1570576, needs some reviews too. | 08:12 |
| openstack | bug 1570576 in heat "After updating a stack stuck IN_PROGRESS, resources will be permanently stuck IN_PROGRESS" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1570576 - Assigned to Tanvir Talukder (tanvirt16) | 08:12 |
| skraynev | ramishra: Also I will try to ask Oleksii about bug assigned on him | 08:13 |
| ramishra | rest all we can move to o-2 if not reviewed. | 08:13 |
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| ramishra | skraynev: thanks. I was thinking of just moving them to o-2 though. | 08:14 |
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| ramishra | ok, all seems good. | 08:14 |
| ramishra | moving on.. | 08:14 |
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| ramishra | #topic goal-remove-incubated-oslo-code status | 08:15 |
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| ramishra | We've removed them from heat and heat-cfnclient | 08:15 |
| therve | ramishra, Are we confident that those client exceptions changes are safe? | 08:16 |
| therve | I was wondering | 08:16 |
| ramishra | Still some patches for python-heatclient | 08:16 |
| skraynev | ramishra: yeah. it's ok,just want to make sure, that he plan to do something with this bug. Otherwise will be better to re-assign it | 08:17 |
| ramishra | therve: which patch are you talking about? | 08:17 |
| therve | ramishra, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/394736/ | 08:17 |
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| ramishra | therve: yes, these are now merged in all clients. | 08:19 |
| ramishra | ex. https://github.com/openstack/python-magnumclient/blob/master/magnumclient/exceptions.py#L16 | 08:19 |
| therve | OK | 08:19 |
| ramishra | therve: I think we were unnecessarily using the apiclient exceptions. | 08:19 |
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| ramishra | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/python-heatclient+branch:master+topic:goal-remove-incubated-oslo-code | 08:20 |
| ramishra | this is the python-heatclient series. needs some reviews | 08:20 |
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| ramishra | We've to update our intent on removing incubator code before o-1 in the governance repo. | 08:21 |
| ramishra | I was thinking we'll just clean it up and say it's done;) | 08:21 |
| ramishra | Most of the clients merged the patches. So we may have issues when the new clients are available, if we don't land these https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/heat+branch:master+topic:remove_apiclient | 08:23 |
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| ramishra | good if we can review and land them soon. | 08:23 |
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| ramishra | ok, moving on to the next topic. | 08:24 |
| ramishra | #topic heat-agents repository | 08:25 |
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| ramishra | therve: I assume, you've added that one. | 08:25 |
| therve | Yep! | 08:25 |
| therve | So let's do this | 08:25 |
| ramishra | I think we are all in agreement to move them. | 08:25 |
| therve | The question is how, and whether we can keep history or not | 08:26 |
| ricolin | heat-agents+1 | 08:26 |
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| ramishra | therve: do we need history? | 08:26 |
| therve | ramishra, Need, no. It'd be nice | 08:26 |
| ramishra | I think kolla guys have done some repo split with history, may be speak to them. | 08:27 |
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| ramishra | therve: ? | 08:30 |
| therve | Yeah that's it. | 08:30 |
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| therve | Unless someone wants to take over, I guess that's on me to do the thing :) | 08:30 |
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| ramishra | volunteers please;) | 08:31 |
| ramishra | ok, then | 08:31 |
| ramishra | #topic open discussion | 08:31 |
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| ricolin | some bp need review | 08:32 |
| ricolin | the placeholder one | 08:32 |
| ricolin | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/392499/ | 08:32 |
| ramishra | ricolin: sure | 08:32 |
| ricolin | and Ironic resource one :) | 08:32 |
| ricolin | ramishra: thx | 08:33 |
| ricolin | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/393108/ | 08:33 |
| ramishra | I think another issue that has been raised on #heat on the concurrent transaction issues with metadata update. | 08:33 |
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| ramishra | I tweaked the tenacity patch to make it merge. | 08:34 |
| ramishra | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/367638/ | 08:34 |
| ramishra | but we need to fix that | 08:34 |
| jprovazn | yes, hi, I filed a bug for db transaction now - https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bug/1642166 | 08:34 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1642166 in heat "Concurrent DB transaction when deleting resources" [Undecided,New] | 08:34 |
| jprovazn | this one causes me quite a lot of pain now, so if you have any idea how to fix it or a workaround, it would be great | 08:35 |
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| ramishra | If someone can look at it and have an idea on how to fix this. So when there are large number of metadata updates concurrently it just fails. | 08:36 |
| ramishra | skraynev, I remember you added that retry few cycles back. | 08:38 |
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| ricolin | jprovazn: are you using convergence? | 08:38 |
| jprovazn | ricolin: no | 08:39 |
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| ramishra | jprovazn: ok, we'll track that bug and see if we can get a solution soon. | 08:40 |
| ricolin | jprovazn: can you kindly try this one | 08:40 |
| ricolin | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/326889/13/heat/objects/resource.py | 08:40 |
| ricolin | it just some test patch | 08:40 |
| jprovazn | ricolin: thanks, going to try it now | 08:40 |
| ramishra | ok, anything else? or we're good. | 08:41 |
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| ramishra | thank you all for joining! | 08:43 |
| ramishra | #endmeeting heat | 08:43 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Nov 16 08:43:33 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 08:43 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2016/heat.2016-11-16-08.00.html | 08:43 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2016/heat.2016-11-16-08.00.txt | 08:43 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2016/heat.2016-11-16-08.00.log.html | 08:43 |
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| tonyb | #startmeeting requirements | 10:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Nov 16 10:00:18 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tonyb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 10:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 10:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'requirements' | 10:00 |
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| tonyb | sigmavirus, prometheanfire, number80, dirk, coolsvap, toabctl: requirements meeting ping | 10:01 |
| coolsvap | o/ | 10:01 |
| dirk | tonyb: in meetings-alt, no? | 10:01 |
| tonyb | dirk: Oh right I forgot | 10:02 |
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| tonyb | #endmeeting | 10:02 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Nov 16 10:02:08 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 10:02 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/requirements/2016/requirements.2016-11-16-10.00.html | 10:02 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/requirements/2016/requirements.2016-11-16-10.00.txt | 10:02 |
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| joehuang | hello | 13:00 |
| Yipei | hello | 13:00 |
| dongfeng | hi | 13:00 |
| yinxiulin | hello | 13:00 |
| liukun | hi | 13:00 |
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| zhiyuan | hello | 13:01 |
| zhipeng | hi | 13:01 |
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| joehuang | #startmeeting tricircle | 13:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Nov 16 13:03:42 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is joehuang. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: tricircle)" | 13:03 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tricircle' | 13:03 |
| joehuang | #topic rollcall | 13:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "rollcall (Meeting topic: tricircle)" | 13:03 | |
| joehuang | #info joehuang | 13:03 |
| dongfeng | #info dongfeng | 13:04 |
| Yipei | #info Yipei | 13:04 |
| joehuang | sorry the net is not stable | 13:04 |
| zhipeng | #info zhipeng | 13:04 |
| zhiyuan | #info zhiyuan | 13:04 |
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| yinxiulin | #info xiulin | 13:04 |
| zhipeng | dongfeng Yipei yinxiulin | 13:05 |
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| zhipeng | we have established a wechat group today | 13:05 |
| zhipeng | you are more than welcomed to join | 13:05 |
| joehuang | #topic Ocata feature development discussion | 13:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Ocata feature development discussion (Meeting topic: tricircle)" | 13:06 | |
| dongfeng | fine, glad to join. | 13:06 |
| joehuang | have a short description about feature development progress | 13:06 |
| joehuang | please | 13:06 |
| joehuang | before that | 13:07 |
| joehuang | glad to announce that Tricircle has been openstack big-tent project, thanks to all your contribution | 13:07 |
| zhiyuan | hooray!!! | 13:08 |
| yinxiulin | Congratulations | 13:08 |
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| dongfeng | great~ | 13:08 |
| joehuang | #info Tricircle is one of openstack big-tent projects | 13:08 |
| joehuang | that means our project is also one of openstack official project | 13:09 |
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| joehuang | so let's have a short review for current features now | 13:09 |
| joehuang | current feature development | 13:10 |
| zhiyuan | progress: (1) patch for manual installation guide has been submitted (2) spec for changes on bridge network has been summitted (3) patch for changes on bridge network is under development | 13:10 |
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| dongfeng | the patch of the documentation on resource routing api has been committed. | 13:11 |
| zhiyuan | the spec will discuss what changes on bridge network is needed and why | 13:11 |
| joehuang | some new reviewers from ChinaMobile, ChinaUnionPay, Huasheng, etc will join the patch review and contribution | 13:11 |
| joehuang | thank you dongfeng | 13:11 |
| dongfeng | happy to contribute~ | 13:12 |
| yinxiulin | I am learning vpnaas related knowledge,and begin to write Specifications document | 13:12 |
| Yipei | about LBaaS, i have already installed devstack with neutron network, i will try to install and configure LBaaS tomorrow. | 13:12 |
| joehuang | later we'll discuss documentation as we are big-tent project, some new requirements may be applied | 13:12 |
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| joehuang | to Xiulin, for VPNaas, there is some risk of implementation | 13:13 |
| yinxiulin | what, for example ? | 13:13 |
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| joehuang | today, the VPNaaS may be stopped to reside under Neutron | 13:14 |
| joehuang | for no active contribution in this feature | 13:14 |
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| yinxiulin | oh | 13:14 |
| yinxiulin | so what can i do now ? | 13:15 |
| joehuang | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-November/107384.html | 13:15 |
| zhiyuan | that means networking-vpnass will be removed from neutron stadium? | 13:16 |
| joehuang | #info [openstack-dev]vpnaas no longer part of The neutron governance | 13:16 |
| joehuang | at least to some extent | 13:16 |
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| joehuang | need to invetigate is there any urgent need for VPNaaS, please consult with ChinaMobile/ChinaUnionpay etc | 13:17 |
| joehuang | whether they have need for VPNaaS | 13:17 |
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| joehuang | what's your suggestion? | 13:18 |
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| yinxiulin | I can do other functions of tricircle | 13:20 |
| joehuang | how about help to make resource update work in Tricircle, now several resources lack of update support | 13:20 |
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| yinxiulin | can we discuss it tomorrow offline | 13:21 |
| joehuang | you mean #openstack-tricircle? | 13:22 |
| yinxiulin | no , my job | 13:22 |
| yinxiulin | next to do | 13:22 |
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| zhipeng | we could chat offline on Wechat group | 13:23 |
| joehuang | ok | 13:24 |
| joehuang | we need to investigate how far VPNaaS is required | 13:24 |
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| yinxiulin | no problem, thanks zhipeng | 13:25 |
| joehuang | Do anyone know the port VTEP progress in Neutron | 13:25 |
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| joehuang | I did not find spec on this topic yet | 13:26 |
| zhiyuan | I relied on the mail list about neutron-agent retrospective, but no further feedback | 13:27 |
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| zhiyuan | It was said that VTEP information may be moved to port model | 13:28 |
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| joehuang | good let's keep eye on that, and actively contribute in this feature, it's quite useful for Tricircle | 13:28 |
| joehuang | #topic Documentation requirement | 13:29 |
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| joehuang | hello, for current documentation is in review, we can keep its format, and finish the review process | 13:29 |
| joehuang | For tricircle is one of big-tent project | 13:30 |
| joehuang | we need to align the documentation requirements with other OpenStack big-tent project | 13:30 |
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| joehuang | #link http://docs.openstack.org/contributor-guide/quickstart/new-projects.html | 13:31 |
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| joehuang | seems not easy for a new project :( | 13:31 |
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| joehuang | what's your proposal | 13:32 |
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| zhiyuan | need some time to read the guide | 13:34 |
| zhiyuan | "Any configuration options or command line tools should be documented using the automated openstack-doc-tools" so RongHui can try to use this tool! | 13:34 |
| joehuang | is Ronghui online? | 13:35 |
| joehuang | and Junsik? | 13:35 |
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| joehuang | they are not online today | 13:36 |
| joehuang | I'll try to seek for help from OpenStack documentation team, to see if we can make the documentation work ease | 13:38 |
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| joehuang | #action communication with documentation team on new project documentation | 13:39 |
| joehuang | #topic Open Discussion | 13:39 |
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| zhipeng | got one item here :) | 13:39 |
| joehuang | it's time for open discussion | 13:39 |
| zhipeng | #info Tricircle and Karbor collaboration | 13:40 |
| joehuang | please | 13:40 |
| zhipeng | currently leon_wang_ is working on Multisite support for Karbor | 13:40 |
| joehuang | intersting | 13:40 |
| zhipeng | for those of you who are not familiar with Karbor | 13:40 |
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| zhipeng | it is a data protection service | 13:40 |
| leon_wang_ | hi everyone | 13:40 |
| zhipeng | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Karbor | 13:40 |
| joehuang | hi, leon_wang | 13:41 |
| zhipeng | So we divided the multisite scenario into two sub-scenarios | 13:41 |
| zhipeng | One is with Tricircle | 13:41 |
| zhipeng | that means Tenant first create resources across multiple clouds using Tricircle | 13:41 |
| zhipeng | and then use karbor for cross site data protection | 13:41 |
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| zhipeng | meaning one site could be a backup for another site | 13:42 |
| joehuang | tricircle is for cross Neutron networking automation now | 13:42 |
| zhipeng | yes and Karbor also backup network-related metadata :) | 13:42 |
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| joehuang | it's data protection for port/subnet/network etc info? | 13:42 |
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| zhipeng | yep you could use Karbor to do that | 13:43 |
| leon_wang_ | joehuang: so what should Karbor do to work with Tricircle? | 13:43 |
| joehuang | where the data will be backup to | 13:43 |
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| zhipeng | now we think that with tricircle, (1)Karbor could querry Tricircle DB for tenant infomation | 13:43 |
| joehuang | it's up to what data want to protect | 13:43 |
| zhipeng | backup to swift | 13:43 |
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| zhipeng | since when a prod site goes down and then go up again | 13:44 |
| zhipeng | the tenant info will change | 13:44 |
| zhipeng | however tricircle could help maintain a global view of tenant info cross multiple sites | 13:44 |
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| joehuang | yes, the central neutron server's data and tricircle DB data need to protect | 13:45 |
| zhipeng | and (2)Tricircle could use Karbor for data protection | 13:45 |
| zhipeng | so we want to determine what we need to do to achieve multisite ddata protection | 13:45 |
| leon_wang_ | +1 | 13:45 |
| joehuang | for data in each region, it's could be up to the operator's choice | 13:45 |
| zhipeng | joehuang correct | 13:46 |
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| joehuang | great | 13:46 |
| zhipeng | our proposal would be (1) develop a Karbor GW within Tricircle | 13:46 |
| joehuang | which component? | 13:47 |
| leon_wang_ | joehuang: can operator change the size of region? | 13:47 |
| leon_wang_ | the number of sites | 13:47 |
| joehuang | what dimention of size? | 13:47 |
| joehuang | of course | 13:47 |
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| joehuang | regions can join or leave | 13:48 |
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| zhipeng | ok let me continue my previous thought | 13:48 |
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| joehuang | I hope that Tricircle and Karbor is loose coupling, work independent | 13:49 |
| zhipeng | we need a way for Karbor to querry Tricircle DB for cross site info | 13:49 |
| leon_wang_ | of course | 13:49 |
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| zhipeng | and need a way for Tricircle to use Karbor to protect its data | 13:49 |
| zhipeng | how should we accomplish these two goals ? | 13:50 |
| joehuang | I don't think a dependency from Tircircle to Karbor should be there | 13:50 |
| zhiyuan | Tricircle provides admin API to query site info, for network resource info, directly query Neutron server | 13:50 |
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| joehuang | Karbor can query data from Tricircle Admin api and Neutron API | 13:50 |
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| joehuang | to Zhiyuan +1 | 13:51 |
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| zhiyuan | for resource mapping, ther routing API is under development which is part of the admin API | 13:51 |
| leon_wang_ | karbor can protect data in neutron now. | 13:51 |
| joehuang | only single way dependency, from Karbor to Tricircle, | 13:51 |
| zhipeng | okey then I guess for this part, it would be for Karbor to have a Tricircle plugin | 13:51 |
| joehuang | no plugin is needed | 13:51 |
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| zhipeng | it is a Karbor mechanism :P | 13:52 |
| joehuang | Tricircle Admin API should be enough | 13:52 |
| joehuang | o, I got it | 13:52 |
| zhipeng | so how should Tricircle utilize Karbor ? | 13:52 |
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| joehuang | you mean to have one Tricircle plugin in Karbor | 13:52 |
| zhipeng | could we achieve that the same way | 13:52 |
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| joehuang | Tricircle should be unaware of whether it's in protection or not | 13:52 |
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| leon_wang_ | tricircle plugin in Karbor or the contrast? | 13:53 |
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| joehuang | single way dependency | 13:53 |
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| zhiyuan | I think if Karbor can directly interact with Neutron, no access to Tricircle admin API is needed, Karbor can directly interact "central Neutron server" | 13:53 |
| joehuang | Trcircle will only rely on Neutron | 13:53 |
| zhipeng | zhiyuan we need the tenant mapping info | 13:53 |
| zhipeng | so that when site changes, it anchors with the tenant | 13:54 |
| joehuang | to Zhiyuan, they would like to protect the az mapping, routing etc | 13:54 |
| joehuang | too | 13:54 |
| zhiyuan | oh i see | 13:54 |
| zhipeng | hoehuang yes | 13:54 |
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| zhipeng | joehuang yes | 13:54 |
| joehuang | I think, more thoughts are needed for the data protection, we can discuss in next meeting. less dependency, the better | 13:55 |
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| zhipeng | okey definitely :) | 13:56 |
| leon_wang_ | if you think it would work, i will propose a BP in Karbor. | 13:56 |
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| joehuang | good, we can review that in karbor | 13:56 |
| Yipei | @joehuang, about LBaaS, shall i prepare to submit a spec for LBaaS first? | 13:56 |
| joehuang | If you have an idea on how to that, don't hesitate | 13:56 |
| joehuang | we can work together to make it better | 13:56 |
| Yipei | ok, got it | 13:57 |
| joehuang | other topic? | 13:57 |
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| Yipei | no for me | 13:58 |
| zhiyuan | no | 13:58 |
| dongfeng | no | 13:58 |
| zhipeng | none | 13:58 |
| joehuang | ok, thank you. | 13:58 |
| joehuang | #endmeeting | 13:58 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 13:58 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Nov 16 13:58:32 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2016/tricircle.2016-11-16-13.03.html | 13:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2016/tricircle.2016-11-16-13.03.txt | 13:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2016/tricircle.2016-11-16-13.03.log.html | 13:58 |
| zhiyuan | bye | 13:58 |
| joehuang | bye | 13:58 |
| Yipei | bye | 13:58 |
| dongfeng | bye | 13:58 |
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| vkramskikh | #startmeeting javascript | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Nov 16 14:00:03 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is vkramskikh. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: javascript)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'javascript' | 14:00 |
| vkramskikh | hey folks | 14:00 |
| vkramskikh | who's here? | 14:00 |
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| vkramskikh | well, I know some of the folks are on vacation | 14:02 |
| vkramskikh | anyway, there was no visible activity since the last meeting | 14:02 |
| vkramskikh | by the next meeting I want to try to implement password changing for keystone client in js-openstack-lib | 14:03 |
| vkramskikh | If I have any success with it I'll report | 14:03 |
| vkramskikh | will finish the meeting for now | 14:03 |
| vkramskikh | #endmeeting | 14:03 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Nov 16 14:03:46 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:03 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/javascript/2016/javascript.2016-11-16-14.00.html | 14:03 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/javascript/2016/javascript.2016-11-16-14.00.txt | 14:03 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/javascript/2016/javascript.2016-11-16-14.00.log.html | 14:03 |
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| msmol | anybody here for js-openstack-lib? | 15:02 |
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| Zara | hm, it looked like the js meeting was an hour ago | 15:03 |
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| Zara | so if you were looking for that one, that's when it was :) | 15:04 |
| msmol | hmm, that's strange. normally they're at 10am EST | 15:04 |
| msmol | maybe daylight savings time issue... hmm | 15:04 |
| Zara | it should always be 14:00 UTC, so probably daylight savings | 15:04 |
| Zara | snap | 15:04 |
| msmol | thanks Zara | 15:04 |
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| Zara | np, vkramskikh was all alone so might be pleased to learn someone meant to be there! :) | 15:05 |
| Zara | (I have turned up to remind folks that the storyboard meeting has moved from 15:00 UTC to 19:00UTC, just in case anyone shows up here in the next hour) | 15:05 |
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| msmol | cardeois: meant to be here as well I believe. he told me so yesterday in any case | 15:09 |
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| smcginnis | #startmeeting Cinder | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Nov 16 16:00:22 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is smcginnis. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cinder' | 16:00 |
| smcginnis | ping dulek duncant eharney geguileo winston-d e0ne jungleboyj jgriffith thingee smcginnis hemna xyang1 tbarron scottda erlon rhedlind jbernard _alastor_ bluex patrickeast dongwenjuan JaniceLee cFouts Thelo vivekd adrianofr mtanino yuriy_n17 karlamrhein diablo_rojo jay.xu jgregor baumann rajinir wilson-l reduxio wanghao thrawn01 chris_morrell stevemar watanabe.isao,tommylike.hu mdovgal ildikov | 16:00 |
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| geguileo | Hi! o/ | 16:00 |
| smcginnis | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CinderMeetings#Next_Cinder_Team_meeting | 16:00 |
| rajinir | o\ | 16:00 |
| erlon-airlong | Hey! | 16:00 |
| eharney | hi | 16:00 |
| Cibo | hello | 16:00 |
| e0ne | hi | 16:01 |
| mdovgal | hello | 16:01 |
| smcginnis | #topic Announcements | 16:01 |
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| dulek | o/ | 16:01 |
| ildikov | o/ | 16:01 |
| smcginnis | Regular public service announcement: nova-net will be gone soon. CI operators - update your config to use neutron | 16:01 |
| xyang1 | hi | 16:01 |
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| smcginnis | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-spec-review-tracking Review focus | 16:01 |
| bswartz | .o/ | 16:01 |
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| smcginnis | Finally did some work on that etherpad ^^ | 16:02 |
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| smcginnis | Cores (and anyone who is willing to help with reviews) please take a look at that links in there. | 16:02 |
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| smcginnis | We have several proposed drivers. | 16:02 |
| smcginnis | We're already at O-1, so not really much time until the new driver deadline with O-2. | 16:02 |
| markstur | o/ | 16:03 |
| * erlon-airlong me will miss friendly nova :/ | 16:03 | |
| * stevemar lurks | 16:03 | |
| geguileo | I can review the QNAP since I'll be able to test it locally | 16:03 |
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| smcginnis | stevemar: I see you back there. Oo | 16:03 |
| stevemar | o_O | 16:03 |
| smcginnis | geguileo: Great | 16:03 |
| jungleboyj | o/ Kind of here. | 16:03 |
| smcginnis | All action items go to Jay. | 16:03 |
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| Cibo | can anybody help with contributing Open-E driver? | 16:04 |
| e0ne | Cibo: what help do you need? | 16:04 |
| Cibo | I have CI and code | 16:04 |
| smcginnis | Cibo: Oh? I hadn't seen anything yet. | 16:04 |
| smcginnis | Cibo: If you have a review link, please add it to that etherpad. | 16:05 |
| Cibo | e0ne: consultancy on when my CI will be valedated as ok | 16:05 |
| Cibo | I have not posted it | 16:05 |
| smcginnis | Cibo: Well, that would be a good first step. | 16:05 |
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| e0ne | Cibo: just ask me in irc when your your will be ready | 16:05 |
| Cibo | https://github.com/open-e/JovianDSS-Cinder | 16:06 |
| smcginnis | #topic Attach/detach API Update | 16:06 |
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| smcginnis | jgriffith, ildikov: Want to give an update? | 16:06 |
| Cibo | ok, so I post driver and then making CI as vouting | 16:07 |
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| smcginnis | Cibo: CI doesn't need to be voting, it just needs to be reporting results in the comments. | 16:07 |
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| smcginnis | Cibo: Make sure you've read this: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Cinder/how-to-contribute-a-driver | 16:07 |
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| ildikov | smcginnis: sure | 16:07 |
| ildikov | as most of you know during the last OpenStack release we started to discuss to create a new attach/detach API in Cinder | 16:08 |
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| ildikov | among other goals we hope to make the Cinder-Nova interaction easier and less racy | 16:09 |
| ildikov | we also would like to get the multi-attach support out of this activity | 16:09 |
| ildikov | the purpose of this slot is that we need progress in Cinder first in the sense of finalizing the API | 16:10 |
| Cibo | smcginnis:ok, I'll recheck it | 16:10 |
| ildikov | jgriffith has proposal code up for review: #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/387712/ | 16:10 |
| smcginnis | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/387712/ Attach/Detach API code | 16:10 |
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| smcginnis | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/373203/ Spec in Nova to describe the usage of the new Cinder API | 16:11 |
| ildikov | we need reviews from the team like now to decide whether this proposal is the one we would like to go with | 16:11 |
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| ildikov | also on the spec on the Nova side that smcginnis kindly posted above | 16:11 |
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| smcginnis | So for those that have been following this, this is pretty much the v2 proposal jgriffith was working on. | 16:11 |
| ildikov | the Nova spec intends to describe how the new API will work with Nova | 16:12 |
| xyang | ildikov: should we be looking at the cinder spec too? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/361512/ | 16:12 |
| smcginnis | The more eyes we can get on that the better. The last thing we want to have is something that needs to get rewritten again. | 16:13 |
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| ildikov | xyang: I think that's out of date | 16:13 |
| smcginnis | xyang: I think jgriffith needs to update the spec yet. | 16:13 |
| xyang | ildikov, smcginnis: ok, thanks | 16:13 |
| smcginnis | #action jgriffith to update attach/detach spec | 16:13 |
| ildikov | xyang: the Nova spec tries to capture the Cinder API parts too in some extent | 16:13 |
| xyang | ildikov: ok | 16:14 |
| smcginnis | Yeah, johnthetubaguy has been putting in a lot of work keeping that updated and incorporating feedback. | 16:14 |
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| smcginnis | So the nova spec is probably the best picture of the process at this point. | 16:14 |
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| ildikov | we would like to proceed with Nova PoC patches as soon as we can, but without having a decision about the final version of the new Cinder API we cannot move forward with the Nova side | 16:15 |
| ildikov | smcginnis: +1 | 16:15 |
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| smcginnis | ildikov: Anything else we should cover on this? | 16:16 |
| ildikov | smcginnis: if no one has questions I think it's enough | 16:16 |
| ildikov | smcginnis: if we go through the proposal that would hijack the meeting IMHO | 16:16 |
| smcginnis | Of course anyone can ask questions in #openstack-cinder as questions come up during reviews. | 16:16 |
| smcginnis | ildikov: Hah, yep. :) | 16:16 |
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| smcginnis | ildikov: Cool, thanks for your update. | 16:17 |
| ildikov | smcginnis: give an action point to the team to review ;) | 16:17 |
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| smcginnis | #topic Action for driver maintainers with CG support: Add CG support to Generic Volume Groups | 16:17 |
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| smcginnis | ildikov: ;) | 16:17 |
| ildikov | smcginnis: thanks | 16:17 |
| smcginnis | xyang: All yours... | 16:17 |
| xyang | sure. | 16:17 |
| xyang | I have sent out email about this: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-November/106720.html | 16:17 |
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| smcginnis | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-November/106720.html ML notice | 16:18 |
| xyang | for driver maintainers whose driver supports CG, please add CG support to generic volume groups | 16:18 |
| smcginnis | #info Deadline for drivers currently supporting CG to make this change: Pike-1 (as discussed in Barcelona) | 16:18 |
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| smcginnis | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/393570/ Dev doc on how to make this change | 16:18 |
| xyang | smcginnis: thanks:) | 16:18 |
| xyang | Migration script to migrate CGs to generic volume groups: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/350350 | 16:19 |
| smcginnis | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/350350/ Migration script to migrate CGs to generic volume groups | 16:19 |
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| xyang | smcginnis: I'll send emails to driver maintainers whose driver supports CGs as reminder. not sure if everyone pays attention to meeting nodes and mailing list | 16:20 |
| smcginnis | xyang: OK, that would be great. | 16:21 |
| xyang | smcginnis: so the Pike-1 deadline would be they need to submit a patch by that deadline? | 16:21 |
| xyang | smcginnis: I don't know if there's enough time to get it merged by then | 16:21 |
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| smcginnis | xyang: Right. We can discuss that more as we get closer, but I think it would be good for everyone to start prepping for it now. | 16:21 |
| smcginnis | Probably a good PTG topic. | 16:22 |
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| smcginnis | Guess I should get a planning etherpad going for that already. | 16:22 |
| xyang | smcginnis: sure, I assume people would ask whether P-1 is proposal deadline or merge deadline | 16:22 |
| smcginnis | xyang: We'd like to get everyone switched over as soon as possible I think, but we probably shouldn't be too strict about cutting off at P-1. So I think proposed is good. | 16:23 |
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| xyang | smcginnis: thanks | 16:23 |
| smcginnis | xyang: Thanks for covering it here. Any communication on this helps. | 16:24 |
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| xyang | smcginnis: np | 16:24 |
| smcginnis | #topic Open discussion | 16:24 |
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| smcginnis | Anything else to discuss? | 16:24 |
| geguileo | I would like to remind that the A/A patches are still pending review | 16:24 |
| geguileo | XD | 16:24 |
| smcginnis | geguileo: +1 ;) | 16:24 |
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| geguileo | And we really want to merge them asap | 16:25 |
| smcginnis | Yes, the more run time on that, the better. | 16:25 |
| geguileo | With the other patch we merged there has been some issues we have detected | 16:25 |
| geguileo | And they have been immediately fixed | 16:25 |
| geguileo | But we need testing time for things to pop up | 16:25 |
| smcginnis | geguileo: Was there still something outstanding to fix there, or did you get it all cleared up? | 16:25 |
| geguileo | smcginnis: Everything is fixed now | 16:26 |
| smcginnis | Great | 16:26 |
| geguileo | smcginnis: The version bump in requirements is already merged | 16:26 |
| smcginnis | I think there's always inevitably minor things to fix under different conditions, so the sooner we can identify those the better. | 16:26 |
| geguileo | And the other patches fixing library version compatibilities are already merged as well | 16:26 |
| smcginnis | geguileo: Perfect | 16:26 |
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| hemna | mep | 16:27 |
| smcginnis | OK, I guess we finally get a short meeting. | 16:27 |
| hemna | damn time change | 16:27 |
| smcginnis | hemna: Hah! | 16:27 |
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| geguileo | lol | 16:28 |
| dulek | smcginnis: Isn't it normal in the middle of the cycle? ;) | 16:28 |
| smcginnis | hemna: You realize that was two weeks ago? :P | 16:28 |
| hemna | yes I do | 16:28 |
| smcginnis | dulek: Hah, I suppose. | 16:28 |
| hemna | maybe it's the wifi thing...... | 16:28 |
| smcginnis | hemna: LOL | 16:28 |
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| smcginnis | OK, I guess that it for today. Thanks everyone. | 16:28 |
| xyang | thanks | 16:29 |
| smcginnis | #endmeeting | 16:29 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Nov 16 16:29:12 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:29 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2016/cinder.2016-11-16-16.00.html | 16:29 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2016/cinder.2016-11-16-16.00.txt | 16:29 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2016/cinder.2016-11-16-16.00.log.html | 16:29 |
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| krtaylor | #startmeeting ironic_qa | 17:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Nov 16 17:01:36 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is krtaylor. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ironic_qa)" | 17:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ironic_qa' | 17:01 |
| mjturek | o/ | 17:01 |
| krtaylor | hi everyone | 17:02 |
| jroll | \o | 17:02 |
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| krtaylor | #topic Announcements | 17:02 |
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| sambetts | o/ | 17:02 |
| krtaylor | not much of an agenda today, but here it is for completeness: | 17:03 |
| krtaylor | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic-QA | 17:03 |
| krtaylor | I have an announcement | 17:03 |
| krtaylor | the third party CI working group meeting has been merged back into the third party ci office hours meeting on Mondays | 17:04 |
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| jroll | good to know :) | 17:04 |
| sambetts | noted :) | 17:04 |
| krtaylor | although I guess I could have announced that in the CI section :) | 17:04 |
| krtaylor | here is the info: | 17:04 |
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| krtaylor | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/ThirdParty | 17:04 |
| krtaylor | any other announcements? | 17:04 |
| jroll | I also have a thing | 17:05 |
| jroll | we had a conversation in channel monday about tempest and devstack | 17:05 |
| jroll | tl;dr, they are too tightly coupled | 17:05 |
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| jroll | and our tempest plugin isn't useful for testing real clouds | 17:05 |
| jroll | we started listing some goals here, among some other things we want to fix | 17:05 |
| jroll | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ironic-testing-future | 17:05 |
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| jroll | I plan to write some sort of spec or something on what we want to change | 17:05 |
| jroll | outside of that, I'm working on removing ironic code from tempest's tree (which we were supposed to do quite a while ago) | 17:06 |
| jroll | and I've started the repo creation process to put our tempest plugins in a separate repo | 17:06 |
| jroll | which is the 'right' thing to do, apparently | 17:06 |
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| * jroll is done | 17:06 | |
| mjturek | very cool | 17:07 |
| JayF | jroll: What's the reason they have to be in a repo separate from in-tree? I thought we already had some tempest stuff in-tree? | 17:07 |
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| jroll | JayF: manageability, ease of use by people testing clouds | 17:07 |
| jroll | lemme find a writeup about it | 17:07 |
| JayF | the other question is will the ironic-tempest-plugin be under ironic or qa governance | 17:08 |
| jroll | this kind of explains it | 17:08 |
| jroll | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/369749/2/goals/ocata/split-tempest-plugins.rst | 17:08 |
| jroll | also, mgould's notes on the summit have some nice words about it too | 17:08 |
| jroll | ironic governance | 17:08 |
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| JayF | cool, ty | 17:08 |
| mgould | o/ | 17:08 |
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| JayF | speaking of mgould, lol | 17:08 |
| jroll | as to what's in-tree, that's exactly what will be in the new repo | 17:08 |
| jroll | just a forklift | 17:08 |
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| * jroll notes this also lets testers pip install the tempest plugin | 17:09 | |
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| krtaylor | very cool, thanks jroll | 17:10 |
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| krtaylor | anything else? | 17:10 |
| jroll | np | 17:10 |
| mgould | my notes from the summit: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-November/106642.html | 17:10 |
| krtaylor | thanks mgould | 17:10 |
| krtaylor | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-November/106642.html | 17:11 |
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| krtaylor | any other announcements? | 17:11 |
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| krtaylor | #topic 3rd party CI | 17:12 |
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| krtaylor | so, the CI docs outline merged | 17:12 |
| krtaylor | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/353102 | 17:12 |
| krtaylor | so anyone that wants to write a section, have at it | 17:12 |
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| rajinir | ++ | 17:12 |
| krtaylor | mjturek and I will be also | 17:12 |
| jroll | ++ | 17:12 |
| mjturek | krtaylor: right, will do | 17:13 |
| krtaylor | let me know if you want to write a section so that we don't overlap | 17:13 |
| krtaylor | that's all I had, anything else on CI? | 17:14 |
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| krtaylor | #topic Open Discussion | 17:14 |
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| krtaylor | I'd like to propose that we mere this meeting back into the main Monday ironic meeting | 17:15 |
| rajinir | Time? | 17:15 |
| rajinir | merge? | 17:15 |
| krtaylor | I was hoping that jlvill-travel would be here so we could discuss | 17:15 |
| krtaylor | merge, yes sorry | 17:15 |
| jroll | krtaylor: I'd be okay with that | 17:15 |
| jroll | most of the people working on qa/ci things aren't usually here | 17:15 |
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| jroll | (including myself, I sometimes skip this one) | 17:16 |
| krtaylor | I think there was a strong need with the Newton focus, but I think there is fewer items that we could cover in Monday | 17:16 |
| rajinir | what's the time for the monday meeting | 17:16 |
| krtaylor | we all would like one fewer meeting :) | 17:16 |
| jroll | rajinir: same time, #openstack-meeting-3 | 17:16 |
| rajinir | ok, sounds good | 17:16 |
| jroll | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic | 17:17 |
| krtaylor | 1700UTC | 17:17 |
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| jroll | krtaylor: I'll throw it on monday's agenda so hopefully some other folks can chime in | 17:17 |
| rajinir | thanks | 17:17 |
| jroll | krtaylor: you imagine the subteam reports will cover it? | 17:17 |
| krtaylor | jroll, perfect | 17:17 |
| krtaylor | yes, I think that would remain | 17:17 |
| jroll | ++ | 17:17 |
| * jroll did the thing https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic | 17:18 | |
| krtaylor | so I guess this might be our last wed meeting, let's see what everyone thinks on Monday, I'll put mention of this proposal in the ironic-qa wiki page also | 17:19 |
| mgould | monday works for me, FWIW | 17:19 |
| rajinir | me too | 17:19 |
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| krtaylor | excellent | 17:19 |
| krtaylor | thats all I had, anyone have any other open discussion topics? | 17:20 |
| sambetts | sounds like a good idea to me | 17:20 |
| * jroll has nothing | 17:20 | |
| jroll | unless you want to talk about lunch options | 17:20 |
| krtaylor | anyone? | 17:21 |
| krtaylor | ok, well let's wrap this up then | 17:21 |
| krtaylor | thanks everyone! | 17:21 |
| mgould | o/ | 17:22 |
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| krtaylor | #endmeeting | 17:22 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Nov 16 17:22:19 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:22 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic_qa/2016/ironic_qa.2016-11-16-17.01.html | 17:22 |
| mjturek | thx! bye! | 17:22 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic_qa/2016/ironic_qa.2016-11-16-17.01.txt | 17:22 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic_qa/2016/ironic_qa.2016-11-16-17.01.log.html | 17:22 |
| jroll | thanks krtaylor | 17:22 |
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| bh526r | #startmeeting gluon | 18:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Nov 16 18:01:00 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bh526r. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'gluon' | 18:01 |
| bh526r | Hi guys | 18:01 |
| krenczewski | Hello | 18:01 |
| bh526r | Hi Kamil | 18:01 |
| bh526r | #topic Roll Call and Introduction | 18:01 |
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| bh526r | #info Bin Hu | 18:01 |
| Jeffreyc42 | #info Jeff Collins | 18:01 |
| krenczewski | #info Kamil Renczewski | 18:01 |
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| bh526r | #topic Admin Update | 18:02 |
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| bh526r | #info No admin update | 18:03 |
| bh526r | #topic Gluon Tasks | 18:03 |
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| bh526r | #info Tasks for Ocata and beyond is listed on wiki: | 18:04 |
| bh526r | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Gluon/Tasks-Ocata | 18:04 |
| bh526r | #info Etherpad of discussion of tasks: | 18:05 |
| bh526r | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ocata-gluon-work-plan | 18:05 |
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| bh526r | #info some work in progress in patches: | 18:05 |
| bh526r | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/dashboard/self | 18:06 |
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| bh526r | #info current patches are primarily focusing on (1) service binding model - 2 patches pending discussion and reslution | 18:07 |
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| bh526r | #info (2) Testing (3) Documentation for Gluon Developers | 18:07 |
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| bh526r | #info (3) documentation is also pending on the resolution of (1) service binding model so as to document it more accurately | 18:08 |
| bh526r | #info other tasks are still in progress, and pending on relevant patches | 18:09 |
| bh526r | #topic Status Update | 18:09 |
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| bh526r | anyone wants to share something? | 18:09 |
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| bh526r | @Kamil, how is everything going on your side? | 18:10 |
| krenczewski | I was absent for some days | 18:11 |
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| krenczewski | Now I am trying to catch up | 18:11 |
| bh526r | I see | 18:11 |
| krenczewski | Still have some problems with BGP peering between Nuage and Juniper node | 18:11 |
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| bh526r | I see. settings? RT/RD value doesn't match? | 18:12 |
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| krenczewski | And I have implementation of ML2 mechanism driver for Contrail | 18:12 |
| krenczewski | as Nachi suggested | 18:13 |
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| bh526r | Ok. | 18:13 |
| krenczewski | I think the problem is more basic as I don't have real experience with BGP | 18:13 |
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| bh526r | Did you get a chance to integrate your Contrail ML2 with Gluon's ML2 Plugin that Tom developed? | 18:14 |
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| krenczewski | not yet | 18:14 |
| bh526r | Ok. | 18:14 |
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| bh526r | Regarding BGP peering, last time in June, what Nachi did was to configure those settings in Contrail so as to peer with other SDN Controllers | 18:15 |
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| bh526r | Of course, other SDN Controllers need to set up the same matching values respectively | 18:15 |
| bh526r | And perhaps some controller-specific tricks | 18:16 |
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| krenczewski | OK, I'll ask him for details | 18:16 |
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| bh526r | And you may also want to integrate your Contrail's ML2 driver with current Gluon's Neutron Plugin so that it can be completed by working with Contrail too. | 18:18 |
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| bh526r | #info Kamil is working on BGP peering of Contrail with Nuage | 18:19 |
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| krenczewski | ok | 18:19 |
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| bh526r | #info Kamil will complete the integration of Contrail's ML2 driver with Gluon's Neutron ML2 Plugin | 18:20 |
| bh526r | Thank you Kamil | 18:20 |
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| bh526r | anyone else have update? | 18:20 |
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| bh526r | Looks like everyone is working on the review of patches | 18:21 |
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| bh526r | #info Ian has discussed our patches 390513 with Nova team, and got useful feedback. | 18:22 |
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| bh526r | anything else? | 18:23 |
| bh526r | #topic AOB | 18:24 |
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| bh526r | Because of Thanksgiving Holiday in US next week, I suggest to cancel our IRC meeting next week. | 18:24 |
| bh526r | Any other opinion? | 18:25 |
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| trevormc | Agreed. I have something to disuss in AOB. | 18:26 |
| bh526r | good. go ahead | 18:26 |
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| trevormc | I had a call Monday about integrating att's VFd into gluon. | 18:27 |
| trevormc | we were wondering if that is something gluon wanted to do? | 18:27 |
| trevormc | https://github.com/att/vfd | 18:27 |
| trevormc | the call was about implementing a sr-iov VFd agent to pass information to a backend. We originally aimed for an ML2 plugin in neutron but we are now exploring the possibility of integrating it with gluon. Thoughts? | 18:29 |
| bh526r | How VFD works? What is the role in the overall NFV Architecture? | 18:29 |
| bh526r | Does it work with a SDN controller? | 18:30 |
| trevormc | we were hoping we could discuss that with you, I just wanted to know if the team was on board with that. Yes it does work with an SDN controller | 18:30 |
| bh526r | If it works with an SDN controller, it should be the south bound of Gluon | 18:31 |
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| bh526r | And it is on the dataplane, if I am not mistaken | 18:31 |
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| bh526r | Gluon and Proton are more of the control plane | 18:32 |
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| trevormc | It works with SR-IOV and that I believe is on Layer 2 is that what you're calling the dataplane? | 18:33 |
| bh526r | Then how it works should be that VFd agent needs to be integrated with an SDN controller, e.g. ODL or Contrail, for dataplane acceleration | 18:33 |
| trevormc | It's designed to extract information from Layer 2 to be passed to a backend like an SDN but not specifically SDNs | 18:34 |
| bh526r | SR-IOV, DPDK, VPP etc. are different types of dataplane acceleration methods | 18:34 |
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| trevormc | thats my understanding of it anyway. I was hoping I could schedule a call to get you in touch with people who can explain it better. | 18:35 |
| trevormc | and any other gluon contributors here | 18:35 |
| bh526r | Ok, let's have a call to help us understand it better | 18:35 |
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| bh526r | Extracting information from L2 and pass to backend all seem like dataplane functions | 18:36 |
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| bh526r | Anyway let's schedule a call to discuss | 18:37 |
| trevormc | ok great, I will schedule something soon. | 18:37 |
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| bh526r | #info Trevor will schedule a followup conversaton to discuss https://github.com/att/vfd | 18:38 |
| bh526r | anything else? | 18:39 |
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| bh526r | #info all agreed to cancel the IRC meeting next week (11/23) to observe Thanksgiving Holiday week | 18:40 |
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| bh526r | If nothing else, I suggest to adjourn the meeting and give back everyone 20 minutes | 18:40 |
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| bh526r | #info meeting adjourned | 18:41 |
| bh526r | Thank you everyone, and have a great day | 18:41 |
| bh526r | #endmeeting | 18:41 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Nov 16 18:41:28 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:41 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/gluon/2016/gluon.2016-11-16-18.01.html | 18:41 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/gluon/2016/gluon.2016-11-16-18.01.txt | 18:41 |
| bh526r | bye all | 18:41 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/gluon/2016/gluon.2016-11-16-18.01.log.html | 18:41 |
| krenczewski | bye | 18:42 |
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| Zara | anyone about for the all-singing, all-dancing storyboard meeting? | 19:00 |
| SotK | o/ | 19:00 |
| Zara | oh I was about to pretend I had it on good authority that you were stuck on a tram | 19:00 |
| Zara | excellent | 19:00 |
| Zara | #startmeeting storyboard | 19:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Nov 16 19:00:46 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Zara. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: storyboard)" | 19:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'storyboard' | 19:00 |
| Zara | #topic Announcements | 19:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: storyboard)" | 19:01 | |
| Zara | #info OUR MEETING HAS MOVED TO NOW | 19:01 |
| Zara | that may be the lowest-quality announcement ever | 19:01 |
| Zara | but I don't care | 19:01 |
| Zara | I don't think we have anything else to announce | 19:01 |
| Zara | #topic Urgent Items | 19:01 |
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| Zara | Nothing on the agenda | 19:02 |
| Zara | #topic In-progress work | 19:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "In-progress work (Meeting topic: storyboard)" | 19:02 | |
| Zara | A few things on the agenda here | 19:02 |
| Zara | I have updating webclient components | 19:02 |
| Zara | #info Zara is slowly but steadily updating the webclient components | 19:02 |
| * SotK goes to find the agenda | 19:02 | |
| Zara | oh, sorry | 19:02 |
| Zara | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/StoryBoard#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 19:03 |
| Zara | there you go | 19:03 |
| SotK | ty :) | 19:03 |
| SotK | I have permissions on there | 19:03 |
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| SotK | I've not done anything more on that this week | 19:03 |
| SotK | but I have reworked that row padding patch | 19:04 |
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| Zara | yessss, thank you | 19:04 |
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| Zara | that is | 19:04 |
| Zara | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/393500/ | 19:04 |
| Zara | kanban cards display a bit oddly at the moment, which is my fault | 19:04 |
| Zara | that patch fixes it | 19:04 |
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| Zara | so yeah, SotK tidied up after me, which is much-appreciated | 19:05 |
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| SotK | I don't think I've actually done much else :/ | 19:05 |
| Zara | it'd be good to get more eyes on it; I've tested and it seems fine | 19:05 |
| SotK | I'll look at the permissions stuff as soon as I can | 19:06 |
| Zara | so now I'm just sad every time I see the messy cards and want it merged asap | 19:06 |
| Zara | SotK: sure, np, permissions are never fun | 19:06 |
| SotK | oh there is also something else I said I would rework | 19:06 |
| Zara | so I'm not relishing the prospect of reviewing those | 19:06 |
| Zara | :P | 19:06 |
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| SotK | this one: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/389997/ | 19:07 |
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| SotK | I will rework that first | 19:07 |
| SotK | then we can get the search stuff moving a bit | 19:07 |
| Zara | oh yeah, there are a couple of things around htat | 19:07 |
| Zara | *that | 19:07 |
| Zara | yes | 19:07 |
| Zara | I agree | 19:07 |
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| * SotK had forgotten he'd said he'd rework that and thought it was waiting on reviews or something | 19:07 | |
| Zara | oh, sorry, I should've poked | 19:07 |
| SotK | no worries :) | 19:07 |
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| Zara | I left a comment but forgot you ignore emails there | 19:07 |
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| Zara | but I do know that, so that's also on me xD | 19:08 |
| Zara | we've updated bootstrap for the webclient, which seems fine so far | 19:08 |
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| Zara | so now, I've got carried away | 19:08 |
| Zara | and want to update angular next | 19:09 |
| Zara | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/384532/ | 19:09 |
| Zara | that just has some +1s | 19:09 |
| Zara | I have tested it, but more eyes is always good | 19:09 |
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| Zara | it's quite a big jump | 19:09 |
| SotK | I'll have a look at some point | 19:09 |
| Zara | but it's long-overdue | 19:09 |
| Zara | thanks | 19:09 |
| Zara | there will be a bunch of similarly dull patches from me updating webclient things | 19:09 |
| Zara | since I figure, ocata is a maintenance cycle anyway | 19:10 |
| Zara | so that's where that's at :) | 19:10 |
| Zara | okay, so other thing I have listed in in-progress work is the removal of incubated oslo code | 19:11 |
| Zara | which is going well! | 19:11 |
| Zara | I *think* we only have some left in the python client at this point | 19:11 |
| SotK | \o/ | 19:11 |
| Zara | I haven't had time to test it yet, and I figured it was likely to cause the most chaos in the python client, so that one's waiting on me to review | 19:11 |
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| Zara | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/395116/ | 19:12 |
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| Zara | well, I'm not the only one who can review it, but I'd assume it was for me to do unless I heard otherwise | 19:13 |
| Zara | I've procrastinated since I'm not running the client from the repo, but from an installation, but hopefully I'll fix that later this week | 19:13 |
| Zara | poke me if it lingers | 19:13 |
| SotK | ok :) | 19:14 |
| Zara | Thanks. :) Do we have anything else? | 19:14 |
| SotK | I don't know of anything | 19:14 |
| Zara | oh, there are some things in review that I've been ignoring because they failed tests | 19:14 |
| Zara | but the test failure was weird | 19:14 |
| SotK | which things? | 19:15 |
| Zara | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/387079/ | 19:15 |
| Zara | and its related changes | 19:15 |
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| SotK | oh that one | 19:16 |
| Zara | hah | 19:16 |
| SotK | when I get time I'll try more things to fix that test | 19:16 |
| Zara | it doesn't seem too urgent, might point at something worse going on | 19:16 |
| Zara | but yeah I'm wary of you giving yourself too much to do. | 19:17 |
| Zara | I had no ideas when looking at the failure | 19:17 |
| SotK | I think its just our tests being dumb | 19:17 |
| Zara | so for now I'm noting that we're aware of it, and that I'm not currently looking at it. | 19:18 |
| Zara | other things... | 19:18 |
| Zara | oh yeah, the test openid server! | 19:18 |
| Zara | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/397998/ | 19:18 |
| Zara | jeblair has sent a patch for a mini test openid server that can be used when developing | 19:19 |
| Zara | currently failing pep8, but hopefully we can use it soonish | 19:19 |
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| Zara | this is nice because you can test features when you have no internet access, or (as he pointed out earlier today) as users with different permissions | 19:19 |
| Zara | so you can, say, see how the admin layout and the non-admin layout are affected by a patch | 19:20 |
| SotK | oh that looked shiny | 19:20 |
| * SotK will get round to testing it eventually | 19:20 | |
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| Zara | same | 19:21 |
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| Zara | anything else in-progress that I've missed? | 19:22 |
| * SotK can't think of anything | 19:22 | |
| Zara | no discussion topics noted, so on to... | 19:22 |
| Zara | #open discussion | 19:22 |
| Zara | erm | 19:22 |
| Zara | #topic open discussion | 19:22 |
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| Zara | there | 19:22 |
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| SotK | :D | 19:24 |
| Zara | I should be meeting with diablo_rojo soon to talk about task-tracking cross-project needs and soforth | 19:24 |
| Zara | so will keep folk updated there | 19:25 |
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| SotK | sounds exciting | 19:25 |
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| Zara | :) | 19:26 |
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| Zara | so yep, I'm also going to be away Mon-Tues | 19:27 |
| * diablo_rojo sneaks in late | 19:28 | |
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| Zara | hi! :D | 19:28 |
| Zara | er, I mean, 'hello person who has been here for the whole time because no sneaking occurred' | 19:28 |
| Zara | for it was a very convincing sneak | 19:29 |
| diablo_rojo | I am pretty ninja | 19:29 |
| Zara | :) | 19:29 |
| SotK | can confirm, I didn't notice a thing | 19:29 |
| diablo_rojo | It'll be good to touch base on all the things next week though. | 19:29 |
| Zara | yep | 19:29 |
| diablo_rojo | In person anyway. | 19:29 |
| * SotK apologises for not being there | 19:29 | |
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| Zara | it's okay, I'll just pretend to be you at weird moments | 19:29 |
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| Zara | stand on chairs and things so I'm taller, etc | 19:30 |
| diablo_rojo | Ha ha ha | 19:30 |
| diablo_rojo | I am trying to figure how to go about identifying stakeholders | 19:30 |
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| diablo_rojo | Thinking I might just start messaging the PTL's and seeing what they think they need out of storyboard before they move | 19:31 |
| Zara | yeah, if nothing else they should be able to point us at folk. and we should probably check in with the RDO team and see how they're getting on | 19:31 |
| SotK | PTLs or people responsible for bug triage seems sensible | 19:31 |
| diablo_rojo | I can draft that email today/tomorrow and get it out before the end of the week so hopefully I will have a few responses by Tuesday. | 19:31 |
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| Zara | oh yeah, bug triage, originally we were talking to markus_z who acted as bug czar for nova | 19:32 |
| diablo_rojo | SotK, ah good point, more active launchpad users would also be a good group to get opinions from. | 19:32 |
| Zara | auggy now performs that role | 19:32 |
| Zara | so there's a name | 19:32 |
| diablo_rojo | Zara: Cool, I'll add her to my list of people to chat with :) | 19:33 |
| Zara | (+ she was at the task-tracking session so seems like the clear choice there) | 19:33 |
| diablo_rojo | I *vaguely* remember that | 19:33 |
| Zara | I think she raised the issue of people posting long logs | 19:33 |
| diablo_rojo | The sleep deprivation struggle was real | 19:33 |
| Zara | which we thought would be mitigated by other things... | 19:33 |
| * Zara finds etherpad | 19:34 | |
| Zara | (haha) | 19:34 |
| diablo_rojo | etherpad? | 19:34 |
| Zara | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ocata-infra-community-task-tracking | 19:34 |
| Zara | the task tracking session one | 19:34 |
| Zara | 'random backlog' section is ironically the most relevant | 19:35 |
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| diablo_rojo | Ha ha noted | 19:35 |
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| Zara | task notes on the last task here identify some target stakeholders, but these may be outdated. | 19:38 |
| Zara | #link https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/2000610 | 19:39 |
| Zara | well, tristanC was doing RDO+storyboard things at summit | 19:39 |
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| Zara | and dhellman has helped us with getting rid of our incubated oslo code. :) | 19:40 |
| diablo_rojo | So I should include them in the email as well? | 19:40 |
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| Zara | I think so. You might get more detailed info from messaging on irc. | 19:42 |
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| diablo_rojo | I think I am just going to make this first round really big picture and if I have questions I will catch people on irc. | 19:43 |
| Zara | sure | 19:43 |
| diablo_rojo | Or thats my thought anyway. | 19:43 |
| diablo_rojo | Feel free to tell me if I am being dumb. | 19:43 |
| SotK | sounds sensible enough to me | 19:44 |
| diablo_rojo | Ha ha 'sensible enough'. I'll take it :) | 19:44 |
| diablo_rojo | Anything else I should have on my todo list? | 19:46 |
| SotK | heh, I meant it in a good way :) | 19:46 |
| Zara | (sure, I figured following up with folk who've been identified already would save time, but I doubt it will be much and I'm all in favour of doing big picture stuff too anyway) | 19:46 |
| diablo_rojo | Zara, ah got it. If they have already been talked to maybe I will do a separate email with them | 19:47 |
| Zara | cool, I don't think there's anything else | 19:48 |
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| diablo_rojo | Cool, well I will get that done then :) If there is anything else just let me know. | 19:49 |
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| Zara | :) anyone have anything to discuss? | 19:49 |
| SotK | I've got nothing | 19:49 |
| diablo_rojo | Me neither | 19:49 |
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| Zara | okay, cool, we can finish early! | 19:50 |
| SotK | (except pizza, which I do have) | 19:50 |
| diablo_rojo | Yum. | 19:50 |
| diablo_rojo | I have a bowl full of pomegranate seeds to eat. | 19:51 |
| * Zara can't tell if literal, or metaphorical | 19:51 | |
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| diablo_rojo | Literal | 19:51 |
| Zara | phew | 19:51 |
| diablo_rojo | And I am excited | 19:52 |
| diablo_rojo | Deliciousness. | 19:52 |
| Zara | woop! \o/ | 19:52 |
| Zara | I have no food and a rumbly stomach, so should probably change both of those | 19:52 |
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| diablo_rojo | Zara +1 | 19:52 |
| Zara | :) | 19:52 |
| * Zara will end the meeting | 19:52 | |
| Zara | #endmeeting | 19:52 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Nov 16 19:52:50 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:52 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2016/storyboard.2016-11-16-19.00.html | 19:52 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2016/storyboard.2016-11-16-19.00.txt | 19:52 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2016/storyboard.2016-11-16-19.00.log.html | 19:52 |
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| Zara | for more food discussion, visit #storyboard! | 19:53 |
| Zara | sometimes we talk about task-tracking | 19:53 |
| Zara | but it's mainly food | 19:53 |
| diablo_rojo | Lol | 19:53 |
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| ekhugen_alt | #startMeeting wos-mentoring | 20:00 |
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| CarolBarrett | HI | 20:00 |
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| ekhugen_alt | #startmeeting wos-mentoring | 20:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Nov 16 20:01:16 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ekhugen_alt. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: wos-mentoring)" | 20:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'wos_mentoring' | 20:01 |
| ekhugen_alt | Hi CarolBarrett! I got a note you were out sick, I thought maybe you wouldn't be on! | 20:01 |
| CarolBarrett | I'm covering as much as I can - between naps... | 20:02 |
| ekhugen_alt | aww, I hope you feel better soon! | 20:02 |
| aimeeu | Hello all - sorry I'm late - multitasking as usual | 20:02 |
| ekhugen_alt | Hi aimeeu | 20:02 |
| aimeeu | Get well soon CarolBarrett | 20:02 |
| CarolBarrett | thanks | 20:02 |
| ekhugen_alt | anyone else here for the mentoring meeting? | 20:03 |
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| ekhugen_alt | doesn't sound like there's anyone on the phone, so I think i'm going to close the phone line | 20:04 |
| CarolBarrett | OK | 20:04 |
| ekhugen_alt | sometimes Danielle was calling in on the phone | 20:04 |
| ekhugen_alt | so there was a discussion on Monday at the women of openstack meeting about some feedback from speed mentoring | 20:05 |
| ekhugen_alt | I don't know if there's anything more for us to discuss from that, carol and aimee, I think you were both on that call, right? | 20:05 |
| CarolBarrett | Yes, I was there and I think the feedback there matched our take-aways | 20:06 |
| aimeeu | I was not on the call but am looking at the etherpad. I have a conflict now that it's Standard Time. | 20:07 |
| ekhugen_alt | ah okay | 20:07 |
| ekhugen_alt | #topic Barcelona feedback | 20:07 |
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| ekhugen_alt | any questions or comments on that aimeeu? | 20:08 |
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| aimeeu | Look like our concerns were covered | 20:08 |
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| ekhugen_alt | okay, so I think we can move on to the feedback survey | 20:09 |
| ekhugen_alt | #topic feedback survey | 20:09 |
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| ekhugen_alt | and I think this is my fault we don't have anything to talk about here, I was going to send out the results in an email | 20:10 |
| ekhugen_alt | and I just did not get to that last week | 20:10 |
| CarolBarrett | NP - can you summarize the feedback? | 20:10 |
| ekhugen_alt | https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1w0lQUva-vHHdHU3WLEqFnuC-FGuzI6Ma2J6Q8YKRONk/edit#gid=0 | 20:11 |
| ekhugen_alt | at a glance most of it seemed to be about mentors and mentees not being vetted enough, people who seemed interested just disappeared | 20:11 |
| ekhugen_alt | so I think we talked last week about giving people just a week to respond before we unmatched them | 20:11 |
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| aimeeu | yes - I think that we all agreed that it was a good idea | 20:12 |
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| ekhugen_alt | beyond that there were some comments about checking in more regularly and helping with goals | 20:13 |
| ekhugen_alt | which we said we'd point people directly to the getting started guide | 20:13 |
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| ekhugen_alt | that has some suggested goals | 20:13 |
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| CarolBarrett | i'm just reading through the comments... | 20:14 |
| aimeeu | and I should be able to put a web page together so people don't have to access the guides | 20:14 |
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| ekhugen_alt | I was going to put them in an email and send them out, since they're hard to read via the spreadsheet | 20:14 |
| CarolBarrett | yea, I downloaded it so I could get more space to the see the responses | 20:15 |
| aimeeu | There has to be personal responsibility though from the mentees. They should know what they want to achieve, not expect us to create goals for them | 20:15 |
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| ekhugen_alt | right, so we did also put in the checks with the new script, if they don't have a goal, we now kick them out and ask them to resubmit | 20:16 |
| ekhugen_alt | so that, plus the webpage to make things easier to read (thanks aimeeu for volunteering on that), that's probably enough right? | 20:16 |
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| ekhugen_alt | or does anyone have more ideas? | 20:17 |
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| CarolBarrett | 1 other idea - what about an moderated 1st meeting... | 20:17 |
| CarolBarrett | by this I mean that one of us meets with the Mentor and Mentee to review the scope of the engage & faciliate establishing goals, etc | 20:18 |
| ekhugen_alt | so we have someone from the mentoring team there for their first meeting? or we hold the first meeting as a group? | 20:18 |
| aimeeu | that could be a challenge depending on time zones of mentor/mentee - or were you thinking of a moderated meeting for all matches? | 20:18 |
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| CarolBarrett | I understand it has a scale issue - but looking through the comments, it seems like getting off on the right foot was a challenge frequently | 20:19 |
| CarolBarrett | Seems like the biggest issue was the Mentees stopped communicating - for a variety of reasons | 20:20 |
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| CarolBarrett | So maybe more frequent check-ins is a good idea, so we can identify Mentors who are ready for a new match.. | 20:21 |
| CarolBarrett | since we seem to be Mentor constrained | 20:21 |
| aimeeu | +1 - did we touch on that last week? | 20:21 |
| ekhugen_alt | yes, I think we did | 20:21 |
| ekhugen_alt | maybe monthly check-ins? | 20:21 |
| CarolBarrett | I think that would be good | 20:21 |
| aimeeu | it would almost be nice to have some kind of bulletin board | 20:22 |
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| aimeeu | chat board or whatever they are called these days | 20:22 |
| ekhugen_alt | well we have the listserv and the openstack-women channel | 20:23 |
| aimeeu | not email or irc | 20:23 |
| CarolBarrett | why not use email or IRC? | 20:23 |
| ekhugen_alt | do you think people would use another method of communication? is there a chance that they would just forget about checking it? | 20:23 |
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| aimeeu | it's hard to keep track of email and irc | 20:23 |
| CarolBarrett | Yes, I think people will definitely forget to check in | 20:24 |
| CarolBarrett | I think it will be up to us to ping them | 20:24 |
| aimeeu | i was thinking of a bulletin board just for participants, but the Foundation would have to host it, so probably not going to get off the ground | 20:24 |
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| ekhugen_alt | yes, I think the foundation's probably busy enough that it would be hard to get that going | 20:25 |
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| ekhugen_alt | but I can add that to the automation fairly easily, to have it autogenerate check in emails | 20:26 |
| aimeeu | +! | 20:26 |
| aimeeu | +1 | 20:26 |
| * aimeeu fat fingers | 20:26 | |
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| ekhugen_alt | so any other ideas from the feedback survey? | 20:26 |
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| CarolBarrett | None from me | 20:28 |
| ekhugen_alt | okay, next topic is the next round of matches | 20:28 |
| ekhugen_alt | #topic New matches | 20:28 |
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| ekhugen_alt | thanks aimeeu for the feeback you sent last week, I have to update the "please resubmit" email to take that into account | 20:28 |
| aimeeu | no problem (the former English teacher in me kicked in, so sorry if it sounded like I was lecturing...) | 20:29 |
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| ekhugen_alt | no, those were good comments, I did really appreciate them | 20:30 |
| ekhugen_alt | I also need to update to use the webpage that anne suggested | 20:30 |
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| ekhugen_alt | I think carol, you asked about the mentees leftover from our previous spreadsheet | 20:30 |
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| CarolBarrett | Yes | 20:31 |
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| ekhugen_alt | and I confess, I wasn't sure how to handle that, I'm almost thinking it's worth sending a note to anyone unmatched from the old spreadsheet and ask them to fill out the new form if they're still interested? | 20:31 |
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| aimeeu | that's a good idea - if they want to still participate, they're goals/projects may have changed | 20:31 |
| aimeeu | s/they're/their | 20:31 |
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| CarolBarrett | Hmmmm - I guess that could work. But are we going to ask people to re-enroll each cycle we should be more clear about that....and expect to lose mentees | 20:33 |
| aimeeu | I think only this time because Emily automated the email process? | 20:33 |
| ekhugen_alt | well I guess the alternatives are: try to match them by hand or bring them over to the new spreadsheet individually | 20:34 |
| ekhugen_alt | I was thinking that if they're on the old spreadsheet and not yet matched, there might a good chance that they were no longer interested | 20:34 |
| CarolBarrett | Any sense of how many there are? | 20:34 |
| ekhugen_alt | probably a good number, 50ish | 20:34 |
| * aimeeu you can remove me if I'm on it | 20:35 | |
| ekhugen_alt | and I wouldn't normally ask them to re-enroll each cycle, just this time because the survey changed so much | 20:35 |
| CarolBarrett | If it's a 1 time thing, then I think it's OK | 20:35 |
| * ekhugen_alt thanks aimee, now it's like 49ish | 20:35 | |
| * aimeeu always glad to help | 20:36 | |
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| aimeeu | also some unmatched from the previous spreadsheet may be on the current list | 20:37 |
| ekhugen_alt | so I think what I would do in priority order is: make the updates to the email that aimeeu suggested, send out the matches we have right now, send out an email asked unmatched people from old spreadsheet to update to new one, then work on converting to the new webpage anne suggested | 20:37 |
| aimeeu | sounds good | 20:37 |
| ekhugen_alt | s/asked unmatched people/asking unmatched people/ | 20:37 |
| CarolBarrett | OK | 20:38 |
| spotz | o/ | 20:38 |
| ekhugen_alt | I will quite honestly try to get to the first two things today | 20:39 |
| ekhugen_alt | I also am still trying to get the patch merged for our new project so that everyone can update the code https://review.openstack.org/#/c/393926/1 | 20:40 |
| ekhugen_alt | I apparently used underscores when I should not have | 20:40 |
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| ekhugen_alt | anything else on new matches? | 20:42 |
| CarolBarrett | Not from me | 20:42 |
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| ekhugen_alt | any other topics? | 20:43 |
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| CarolBarrett | Are we considering supporting any activities at the PTG? | 20:44 |
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| ekhugen_alt | there was some discussion about that at the meeting on Monday, it doesn't sound like there's really going to be an opportunity for any women of openstack meetings there | 20:44 |
| ekhugen_alt | unless I misheard that | 20:44 |
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| spotz | ekhugen_alt: No worries:) | 20:45 |
| aimeeu | the PTG is for experienced contributors only, and many are only going to be there 2 or 3 days out of the week | 20:45 |
| ekhugen_alt | so I think our idea of maybe having speed mentoring there isn't going to be useful | 20:45 |
| aimeeu | +1 | 20:46 |
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| CarolBarrett | Sounds like a good plan - we can revisit after the 1st PTG and see if there's any feedback to change that direction | 20:46 |
| aimeeu | Good idea. I'll probably be at the PTG for only 2 days myself. | 20:47 |
| ekhugen_alt | so we'll plan the next speed mentoring event for boston, I do think there's been some progress on moving that to lunch | 20:47 |
| clarkb | aimeeu: I hesitate to say its only for experienced contributors (tjats not ehat the ptg site says) | 20:47 |
| aimeeu | I equate identifying with a particular project as experienced | 20:47 |
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| CarolBarrett | Lunch would be great! | 20:47 |
| ekhugen_alt | clarkb even if there are less experienced contributors, is the ptg likely to be their first openstack event? | 20:48 |
| ildikov | I think PTG could be used to get together with the mentors for instance | 20:48 |
| ekhugen_alt | that's kind of where we were aiming speed mentoring | 20:48 |
| spotz | From what I've heard spots are limited so it's mainly going to be PTLs and cores | 20:48 |
| clarkb | ekhugen_alt: I dont see why not, the ptg is for people contributing upstream. we may have such individuals that have never gone to a summit before | 20:48 |
| aimeeu | I don't think our target audience for speed mentoring is going to be there | 20:48 |
| clarkb | aimeeu: that I can agree with | 20:49 |
| ildikov | ekhugen_alt: the idea is to have people there who are already involved within a project in some extent | 20:49 |
| CarolBarrett | ildikov: agree | 20:49 |
| clarkb | (I just worry if you say experienced contributors only tjat semds a slightly different message) | 20:49 |
| ildikov | ekhugen_alt: the Summits are still the events where we expect newcomers | 20:49 |
| ekhugen_alt | alright, so I think we're all happy with the next speed mentoring event being boston, and I think we're all especially happy for not-breakfast-events | 20:50 |
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| ildikov | clarkb: yeap, I think active contributor or something like might be better | 20:50 |
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| ildikov | ekhugen_alt: +1 :) | 20:50 |
| CarolBarrett | +1 | 20:50 |
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| ekhugen_alt | cool, any other topics? | 20:51 |
| ekhugen_alt | #topic open | 20:51 |
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| CarolBarrett | No opens from me | 20:53 |
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| ekhugen_alt | okay, well I think we can end 7 minutes early then | 20:53 |
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| aimeeu | thanks everyone | 20:53 |
| CarolBarrett | great - I'll take it! | 20:53 |
| ekhugen_alt | just a reminder next meeting is the 30th | 20:53 |
| * ekhugen_alt wishes happy thanksgiving to US peeps! | 20:53 | |
| aimeeu | Happy Thanksgiving to all in the US | 20:54 |
| diablo_rojo_phon | Happy Thanksgiving :) | 20:54 |
| ekhugen_alt | #endmeeting | 20:54 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Nov 16 20:54:19 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:54 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/wos_mentoring/2016/wos_mentoring.2016-11-16-20.01.html | 20:54 |
| CarolBarrett | Same to you!! Happy Thanksgiving | 20:54 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/wos_mentoring/2016/wos_mentoring.2016-11-16-20.01.txt | 20:54 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/wos_mentoring/2016/wos_mentoring.2016-11-16-20.01.log.html | 20:54 |
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| notmyname | swift meeting time | 20:59 |
| joeljwright | o/ | 21:00 |
| jrichli | o/ | 21:00 |
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| notmyname | #startmeeting swift | 21:00 |
| mmotiani1 | Hi | 21:00 |
| ntata | hello | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Nov 16 21:00:06 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is notmyname. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
| kota_ | o/ | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'swift' | 21:00 |
| notmyname | who's here fro the swift meeting? | 21:00 |
| pdardeau | hi | 21:00 |
| mattoliverau | o/ | 21:00 |
| sgundur_ | hi | 21:00 |
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| hosanai | o/ | 21:00 |
| timburke | hi | 21:00 |
| kota_ | o/ | 21:00 |
| cutforth | o/ | 21:00 |
| dmorita | hi | 21:00 |
| nadeem | o/ | 21:00 |
| tdasilva | hi | 21:00 |
| notmyname | welcome everyone | 21:00 |
| acoles | hi | 21:01 |
| notmyname | like last week, not much on the agenda. but that's not a bad thing ;-) | 21:01 |
| notmyname | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Swift | 21:01 |
| notmyname | #topic ptg | 21:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "ptg (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:01 | |
| notmyname | again, reminder to get your ticket for the ptg | 21:01 |
| clayg | o/ | 21:01 |
| notmyname | and there were some questions that came up about hotels | 21:01 |
| notmyname | there's a block in the hotel where the ptg is, but some people had pointed out that nearby hotels were cheaper | 21:02 |
| notmyname | timburke: acoles: I think? | 21:02 |
| timburke | i think tdasilva mentioned it first | 21:02 |
| timburke | somebody | 21:02 |
| notmyname | so a question that some people had was around when peopel were planning on getting there (early or mid week) | 21:03 |
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| notmyname | yeah, or maybe zaitcev | 21:03 |
| acoles | I saw an email to -dev pointing out cheaper alternatives | 21:03 |
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| notmyname | timburke: what were your questions you asked me this morning? | 21:04 |
| timburke | oh, mainly just whether it would make sense for a bunch of swifters to invade a cafe or something mon-tue | 21:05 |
| notmyname | there will be the cross project sessions mon-tue | 21:05 |
| mattoliverau | So long as there were no cross project stuff happening on those 2 days, sounds cool. | 21:05 |
| notmyname | and from the ML, if we have things to address there, it's largely up to us to get on the agenda which is set by the teams meeting on those days | 21:06 |
| clayg | timburke: i'm going to try to participate in some horizontal team sessions mon-tue - it's kinda the point of the ptg instead of mid-cycles? | 21:06 |
| mathiasb | o/ | 21:06 |
| timburke | true. but how much of that time will actually be relevant to us? | 21:06 |
| notmyname | ptg == the dev sessions of the summit, including cross project stuff | 21:07 |
| clayg | timburke: all horizontal work is relevent to everyone by definition | 21:07 |
| clayg | timburke: i'm trying - really trying | 21:07 |
| notmyname | clayg: you're doing great :-) | 21:08 |
| pdardeau | clayg: to a point right? | 21:08 |
| timburke | i'm not opposed to sitting in on sessions that aren't directly and immediately relevant, but sometimes i want to get some shit done | 21:08 |
| clayg | notmyname: i don't really buy it - as long as swift developers get to *go* summits - design will happen at summits | 21:08 |
| clayg | ptg is replacing my mid-cycle travel - so it's going to have to do the job we normally do at mid-cycles - come summit time we'll make the best of what we've got | 21:08 |
| notmyname | clayg: there is no summit any more. that doesn't exist. there is the ptg and the forum. | 21:08 |
| clayg | if it doesn't work we re-orient | 21:08 |
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| notmyname | yes, that's true. and practically all that really matters | 21:09 |
| clayg | sorry - yes - the forum - there will be feedback from operators and design work happen at *the forum* as long as swift operators and swift developers are *at* the forum (t.b.d.) | 21:09 |
| notmyname | yes. but from what I've heard, forum == marketing talks and expo hall, and oh yeah I guess ops can have a room | 21:10 |
| clayg | notmyname: be more optomistic! | 21:10 |
| notmyname | we don't need to rehash the ptg/forum/summit/midcycle changes yet again this week :-) | 21:10 |
| clayg | no one wants to ruin everything for everyone - if it happens - it was just an accident - we can trust everyone to observe that and correct | 21:11 |
| notmyname | back to the ptg: clayg will be participating mon-tue in cross project | 21:11 |
| clayg | long curve of history bends postive yada yada yada | 21:11 |
| clayg | sure will! | 21:11 |
| notmyname | and other people should too :-) | 21:11 |
| notmyname | swift-specific sessions will be wed-fri | 21:11 |
| acoles | yes I figure we should | 21:11 |
| clayg | but that may acctually be a good oppertunity for the swift community to get some real work done without my constant disruption! | 21:11 |
| mattoliverau | lol | 21:12 |
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| jrichli | +1 | 21:12 |
| mattoliverau | I'll be busy at least in part in the first 2 days. | 21:12 |
| clayg | mattoliverau: kolla!? | 21:12 |
| mattoliverau | Ansible stuff, maybe some release if Tony has his way :) | 21:12 |
| notmyname | nice | 21:12 |
| clayg | noice | 21:12 |
| notmyname | in australia, kolla is known as "drop-containers" | 21:13 |
| notmyname | /badly phrased joke | 21:13 |
| mattoliverau | This time I hope to get there early and get a jetlag day, but really thats in the hands of the travel peeps, but I can nag :) | 21:13 |
| notmyname | kolla->koala->drop-bears | 21:13 |
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| mattoliverau | notmyname: lol | 21:13 |
| clayg | notmyname: it's not as fun when you have to explain it | 21:13 |
| joeljwright | :D | 21:14 |
| mattoliverau | I see what you did there. Shame there aren't move Aussies in the room | 21:14 |
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| mattoliverau | more | 21:14 |
| notmyname | clayg: you just gotta go visit australia more often ;-) | 21:14 |
| clayg | and here i thought dropbear was an sshd | 21:14 |
| mattoliverau | +1000 | 21:14 |
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| notmyname | ok, on to other stuff. seems ptg discussion has moved on | 21:14 |
| notmyname | #topic other stuff | 21:14 |
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| clayg | i have a thing! | 21:15 |
| notmyname | FYI https://review.openstack.org/#/c/336323/ will change test requirements | 21:15 |
| clayg | oh... | 21:15 |
| clayg | oh.... | 21:15 |
| notmyname | as in, your existing SAIO will likely break. gotta have /tmp (or TMPDIR) as an XFS mount | 21:15 |
| notmyname | yay, progress! | 21:15 |
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| notmyname | so, be aware. and beware | 21:15 |
| notmyname | clayg: what's your thing? | 21:16 |
| clayg | notmyname: doesn't it ust make you saio skip a bunch of unittests until you fix it? | 21:16 |
| notmyname | yep. tests will totally pass (see the current CI output). everythign is fine! | 21:16 |
| timburke | notmyname: i don't see that touching the doc/saio/ tree.... | 21:16 |
| clayg | notmyname: oh, it's just fun stuff - you remember the openstack principles documnt? it's actually changed quite a bit since it was first drafted -> https://review.openstack.org/#/c/398540/ | 21:16 |
| notmyname | just about 1/3 of unittests skip and about 98% of functests skip | 21:16 |
| mattoliverau | so it also speeds up our tests.. nice ;P | 21:17 |
| clayg | timburke: good point on the docs! :) | 21:17 |
| notmyname | lol | 21:17 |
| notmyname | clayg: yeah, that's a much better phrasing | 21:18 |
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| notmyname | I have one more thing to bring up, but I want to make sure that other people have an opportunity too | 21:19 |
| notmyname | anything else from anyone before we talk about EC libraries and releases? | 21:19 |
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| notmyname | ok, release stuff then | 21:20 |
| notmyname | the swiftclient release was approved, so that's good | 21:20 |
| notmyname | but we still want to do a swift release | 21:21 |
| clayg | notmyname: oh yeah... what are waiting for? | 21:21 |
| notmyname | if you've seen the patches in gerrit, kota_ (mostly) and clayg have been figuring out an issue related to liberasurecode | 21:21 |
| notmyname | so there's been a 1.3.1 release of liberasurecode (here on out called "libec" to save typing) | 21:22 |
| notmyname | so here's the deal: it seemed like the libec stuff was just about done back when we started looking at the swift release | 21:22 |
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| notmyname | it would be really good to release swift with requirements that force deployers to pull libec up to 1.3.1 | 21:22 |
| notmyname | however, nobody has a good idea on how to get that done | 21:23 |
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| notmyname | ideally, we'd release pyeclib to require libec>=1.3.1 | 21:23 |
| notmyname | however, that patch can't land because the gate tests will pull in libec from distros. which haven't packaged 1.3.1 yet | 21:23 |
| notmyname | interestingly, this is one expression of a common problem | 21:24 |
| notmyname | we've seen the same thing in the past for swift/swift3 and if we have to split golang into a different repo, we'll have the same issue there | 21:24 |
| notmyname | so here's the options, as I see them now: | 21:24 |
| notmyname | 1) redo tests to install the dependencies from source and test that way | 21:25 |
| notmyname | 2) release now anyway and have a strongly-worded commit message and hope deployers read it | 21:25 |
| notmyname | 3) ??? | 21:25 |
| notmyname | so I was hoping for some resolution that could apply to a swift release. but this is where we are | 21:25 |
| notmyname | i'm not sure of the best way forward | 21:26 |
| clayg | I don't think what we want out of the swift release is related to the libec 1.3.1 release? | 21:26 |
| clayg | isn't there some other critical fixes in the swift code that we need to get out? even if it doesn't help with issue in the libec code? | 21:26 |
| notmyname | clayg: deployers to not have a massive footgun | 21:26 |
| kota_ | notmyname: thanks for bringing up it, that's what I've been fighting recently | 21:26 |
| clayg | ok, go kota_ ! | 21:27 |
| notmyname | yeah, kota_ has been doing great work here. kota_, did I summarize it ok? | 21:27 |
| kota_ | notmyname: an idea for a solution, I'm draftign the hard coded dependency in-side of pyeclib, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/395998/ | 21:27 |
| notmyname | (rephrased) clayg: deployers to not have a massive footgun with some combination of dependencies | 21:27 |
| mordred | notmyname: fwiw - the nova folks hit this with libvirt and neutron with ovs/ovn too - so it certainly raises its head in a bunch of places ... I've been trying and failing to find a general solution for a while | 21:28 |
| kota_ | notmyname: ah, it's kinda 1) you said above. | 21:28 |
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| mordred | I do not have one, mind you | 21:28 |
| notmyname | oh, another option (IMO not terrible) is to combine the libec and pyeclib repos so they can be released at the same time (just with multiple deliverables). that gets rid of one layer in the puzzle in this case | 21:29 |
| notmyname | mordred: any insight is appreciated | 21:29 |
| mordred | notmyname: most of what I've got right now would be restating problems | 21:29 |
| mordred | biggest issue with combining libec and pyeclib is that it still doens't solve the issue of pyeclib needing to be able to link against libec at pip install time AIUI | 21:30 |
| notmyname | right | 21:30 |
| notmyname | kota_: what do you want to do? | 21:30 |
| clayg | notmyname: obviously the original intention for liberasurecode was that it would be an underlying shared library that could have bindings in different languages - when we accepted that dependency we agreed to carry that burden - i'm not sure it's fair to kevin and tushar to change that design - but obviously we have a choice about what swift does | 21:30 |
| notmyname | tdasilva: any thoughts? | 21:30 |
| kota_ | mordred: true, that's the reason, we wanted to solve when spliting repo. | 21:31 |
| tdasilva | notmyname: what clayg just said, plus i'm wondering if we are creating a artificial dependency for this upcoming release | 21:31 |
| mordred | kota_: ++ | 21:31 |
| notmyname | tdasilva: what do you mean by artificial? | 21:31 |
| kota_ | notmyname: not have strongly opinon as well as you for now | 21:32 |
| notmyname | kota_: ok | 21:32 |
| tdasilva | notmyname: do the fixes that went into swift work with the existing libec/pyeclib? | 21:32 |
| kota_ | still trying to find the best way... | 21:32 |
| clayg | notmyname: not to put words in tdasilva's mouth - but seriously we need to release critical fixes in swift/obj/ that have *nothing* to do with this right? | 21:32 |
| tdasilva | the fix in libec is very isolated to libec right | 21:32 |
| tdasilva | ? | 21:33 |
| notmyname | clayg: true. I had only hesitated because I underestimated the dependency challenge for libec stuff | 21:33 |
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| notmyname | tdasilva: right | 21:33 |
| notmyname | so, release swift now, no changes to dependencies for swift | 21:33 |
| * mattoliverau is sorry but has to run, have a meeting in Canberra that I need to drive in for. | 21:33 | |
| tdasilva | mattoliverau: o/ | 21:34 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: exciting! | 21:34 |
| joeljwright | enjoy! | 21:34 |
| mattoliverau | :) | 21:34 |
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| tdasilva | notmyname: fwiw i know zaitcev is working to package new version of libec | 21:34 |
| notmyname | that's great to know | 21:34 |
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| notmyname | so if we release swift now, without dep changes, should swift have a changelog note saying that deployers should upgrade libec? or watch out for different combos of libraries? | 21:35 |
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| notmyname | seems like the responsible thing to do, although it doesn't technically seem to be needed since there are zero changes in swift about it | 21:36 |
| notmyname | thoughts? | 21:36 |
| clayg | kota_: can you confirm that it would be *possible* to have a body of code with all the performance benifits of libec provide the ec interface that swift needs and be built/released *entirely* from code that can be tagged and released into the OpenStack gate via pypi? | 21:36 |
| tdasilva | mordred: what does neutron nova do in these situations? changelog note with telling people to upgrade libvirt? | 21:37 |
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| mordred | tdasilva: they wait | 21:38 |
| notmyname | clayg: the "via pypi" is the hard part right? | 21:38 |
| mordred | until the version of whatever they want is in the distros | 21:38 |
| clayg | ... granting that may not be *desirable* for various reasons - but basically just removing the extrenal linking to libec by inlining the c code that the cpython code in pyeclib calls? | 21:38 |
| mordred | clayg: it should be phyiscally possible, yes | 21:38 |
| kota_ | either, 1. pyeclib includes libec code and built (seems hard work) or 2. devstack plugin can make it install libec from source ???(still need to make sure) | 21:39 |
| kota_ | not sure, right now. | 21:39 |
| kota_ | clayg:^^ | 21:39 |
| mordred | tdasilva: that is obviously not a _great_ way to write cutting-edge stuff ... thus the 'problem' - but I believe there are a bunch of feature flags of the kind "if libvirt version > blah" | 21:39 |
| notmyname | mordred: interesting. one tiny difference here is that the non-openstack dependencies here are pretty much maintained by swift devs. so it's the same people waiting on distros to use their own code | 21:39 |
| kota_ | the deficality including libec to pyeclib is from the permission AFAIK | 21:40 |
| mordred | notmyname: yes. this makes the problem more crazypants | 21:40 |
| kota_ | libec need to be located in sort of /usr/local/lib (means out of python package) | 21:40 |
| kota_ | and pyeclib will be in virtualenv | 21:40 |
| kota_ | to locate libec from pyeclib setupper, it requires root permition | 21:41 |
| mordred | notmyname: but it's still a very similar problem - openstack wants to tell the distributors it needs a new version of $lib - we do it fine for python libs, but not for C libs | 21:41 |
| notmyname | mordred: or potentially golang ;-) | 21:41 |
| kota_ | permission | 21:41 |
| mordred | like, we certainly don't wait for distros to update python libs before we update python requirements | 21:41 |
| mordred | notmyname: yah - basically anyting not-python we have no story for yet | 21:41 |
| mordred | other than "wait for it to exist in the distros" | 21:41 |
| notmyname | kota_: I'm currently mucking in the project config stuff to do things that require root. it's possible, but not straightforward, to install something as root before our tests get called | 21:42 |
| clayg | mordred: fwiw, that exception for python libs was never obviously correct to me - i understand it being more convenient - but not more correct | 21:42 |
| kota_ | notmyname: how about, making 'warning log line' in pyeclib if older libec found | 21:42 |
| mordred | the 'obvious' solution - which is host our own repo of distro packages that leads the release ... has the problem that it winds up becoming a production dependency for deployers even when we tell them to not rely on it for production since it's not getting security updates | 21:42 |
| kota_ | notmyname: it's still week but we can notify to upgrade for operators via warning log | 21:42 |
| mordred | clayg: totally | 21:42 |
| kota_ | wak | 21:43 |
| kota_ | weak | 21:43 |
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| mordred | clayg: it just happens to be the one we have a ready mechanism to be able to communicate in a release what versions of a thing we need if someone wants to package us - definitely not indicative of having solved the problem holisitcally | 21:43 |
| notmyname | kota_: and then when distros have libec 1.3.1 we can pull that out in favor of the hard version requirement? | 21:43 |
| kota_ | notmyname: sure | 21:44 |
| notmyname | kota_: that seams reasonable, I think | 21:44 |
| clayg | mordred: that's an interesting perspective - sheds a longer term attractive light on bindeps ;) | 21:45 |
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| notmyname | anyone else want to weigh in on kota_'s suggesting for libec and pyeclib? | 21:45 |
| clayg | notmyname: we need to have a release-announce list for liberasure is my basic understanding | 21:46 |
| notmyname | mordred: clayg: the thing with pypi is that we can push there, right? that's the only thing that pypi gives us that makes the python story at allr easonable | 21:46 |
| clayg | then we need to tell people that package stuff to be on the list | 21:46 |
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| notmyname | mordred: are non-governance openstack/* projects allowed to use the release announce list? | 21:47 |
| notmyname | ie pyeclib and libec | 21:47 |
| mordred | notmyname: I do not know the answer to that ... swift certainly is allowed to :) | 21:47 |
| notmyname | ok | 21:47 |
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| clayg | notmyname: idk, it makes it *work* - not sure it's "reasonable" - if a deployer is using packaged python-foobaz from distro-bar linux - us pushing to pypi doesn't really change their situation? | 21:47 |
| notmyname | clayg: yeah, I agree | 21:48 |
| clayg | we assume people deploy swift from "some random sha on master" (we do, we know other people that do) - but for people who use distro packages none of this effects them | 21:48 |
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| clayg | they're still at the whim of the release cycle of their distro | 21:48 |
| mordred | clayg: it doesn't - but since we test with the version on pypi, we're signaling to the people packaing the next release of openstack that they should darned well also package the appropriate version of the python lib | 21:48 |
| clayg | so we need to tell the distros - yo liberasure 1.3.0 will hurt you bad | 21:48 |
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| notmyname | mordred: have our own apt/yum repo that are firewalled to only allow CI nodes to access them? ;-) | 21:49 |
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| mordred | notmyname: yah :) | 21:50 |
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| acoles | notmyname: so is the proposal that we cut a release now with pyeclib warning/suggesting upgrade to libec (but not requiring), then when libec upgrade is in distros we release again and require latest libec? | 21:50 |
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| clayg | notmyname: honestly I've heard talk of doing some testing/ci from nightly built distro packages - if we could push a tag to liberasurecode and get new packages in the gate we'd be *pretty* close to what we need | 21:50 |
| notmyname | clayg: we've already pushed the tag :-) | 21:51 |
| clayg | ... still doesn't really effect the "what happens to deployers pulling from distros after the gate" question - that's a problem for liberasurecode release announce list | 21:51 |
| mordred | ++ | 21:51 |
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| mordred | we've gotten feedback at ops summits that there is actually a fairly wide range of folks deploying from distros, from pypi/source and from their own built distro packages - none of the three were a clear winner, so they're all certainly real problem spaces | 21:52 |
| clayg | notmyname: i think swift works with libec 1.3.0 and swift doesn't need to change (we should do a release tho, it's unrelated and not blocked) | 21:52 |
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| clayg | acoles: ^ | 21:52 |
| notmyname | current idea is that we release swift with a changelog mentioning that deployers shoudl upgrade libec. then we also release pyeclib with a warning if libec<1.3.1. then after libec is in distros, roll those hard requirements forward through the dep chain | 21:52 |
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| clayg | acoles: we should *also* annouce liberasurecode packages - if you run swift + ec your realm of pain is a little bigger than *just* bugs in the swift repo unfortunately | 21:53 |
| mordred | that sounds like a great plan - at least until such a time as we have a better one | 21:53 |
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| notmyname | acoles: kota_: clayg: tdasilva: jrichli: sound good? | 21:54 |
| clayg | notmyname: yeah, it think your plan is more than the minimum required | 21:54 |
| clayg | notmyname: but we *have* to figure out how to annouce releases to libec that's that the swift release notes? | 21:54 |
| kota_ | sounds a good way in current situation | 21:54 |
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| jrichli | +1 | 21:55 |
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| acoles | got it. +1 | 21:55 |
| tdasilva | notmyname: just a little concerned about the pyeclib warning message??? can kota_, notmyname explain that part again?? | 21:55 |
| kota_ | i don't have better idea than it for now. | 21:55 |
| notmyname | clayg: I think that's pretty easy. I've sent emails there myself in the past, and I think we can set up libec tags to be announced | 21:55 |
| clayg | ohkay cool! | 21:55 |
| notmyname | tdasilva: patch pyeclib to detect installed version of libec and emit a warning if <1.3.1 is detected | 21:55 |
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| kota_ | tdasilva: not yet, prepared but i can make a patch for that for pyeclib. pyeclib can detect the libec version from c header | 21:56 |
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| notmyname | tdasilva: then once 1.3.1 is actually available in distros, we swap the warning for an actual hard dependency on >=1.3.1 | 21:56 |
| kota_ | tdasilve: and if pyeclib find the older version, we can dump a log line to somewhere (e.g. syslog) | 21:56 |
| tdasilva | is that really necessary? i'm afraid it will just raise bugs from people that see the warning and the solution is really just wait for the libec to be packaged and deployed | 21:56 |
| notmyname | if the alternative is "slowly and silently corrupt data" then, yes. totally necessary :-) | 21:57 |
| notmyname | and, hey, if distros bundle new versions, we can go through that process quickly | 21:57 |
| kota_ | tdasilva: another solution is built from source by deployer | 21:57 |
| tdasilva | no no, i mean, is the warning message necessary right now if we just plan on putting the hard dependency later | 21:57 |
| kota_ | instead of waiting distro updated | 21:58 |
| notmyname | tdasilva: well, i'm not sure that it's actually necessary, but it seems like the right thing to do | 21:58 |
| tdasilva | ok, don't want to confuse matter further | 21:58 |
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| kota_ | tdasilva: exactly, it may be redandunt though | 21:59 |
| notmyname | seems we've, yet again, taken a short meeting agenda and managed to fill a full hour :-) | 21:59 |
| notmyname | thank you everyone for coming. and thank you for working on swift | 21:59 |
| notmyname | I'll work on the swift release process and get that finished up this week | 21:59 |
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| notmyname | #endmeeting | 21:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Nov 16 21:59:57 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2016/swift.2016-11-16-21.00.html | 21:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2016/swift.2016-11-16-21.00.txt | 22:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2016/swift.2016-11-16-21.00.log.html | 22:00 |
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