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| thinrichs | masahito, ramineni_, aimeeu: courtesy ping | 00:05 |
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| aimeeu | hello | 00:05 |
| thinrichs | #startmeeting CongressTeamMeeting | 00:05 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Nov 10 00:05:27 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is thinrichs. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 00:05 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 00:05 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'congressteammeeting' | 00:05 |
| ramineni_ | Hi | 00:05 |
| masahito | hi | 00:05 |
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| thinrichs | This may be the first time I've been on time to the irc meeting the week of the U.S. time change in the fall | 00:06 |
| thinrichs | :) | 00:06 |
| thinrichs | ekcs is out of town, so he asked me to run the meeting. | 00:06 |
| aimeeu | I know the feeling/1 | 00:06 |
| thinrichs | Agenda: | 00:06 |
| thinrichs | 1. ocata-1 | 00:06 |
| thinrichs | 2. Newton.0.1 | 00:07 |
| thinrichs | 3. ocata-2+ | 00:07 |
| thinrichs | 4. Gate | 00:07 |
| thinrichs | 5. critical patch | 00:07 |
| thinrichs | 6. PTG | 00:07 |
| thinrichs | Phew! | 00:07 |
| thinrichs | Anything else? | 00:07 |
| thinrichs | #topic ocata-1 | 00:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "ocata-1 (Meeting topic: CongressTeamMeeting)" | 00:08 | |
| thinrichs | ocata-1 is scheduled for next week. (Time flies!) | 00:08 |
| thinrichs | Here's the list of work scheduled for ocata-1 | 00:09 |
| thinrichs | https://launchpad.net/congress/+milestone/ocata-1 | 00:09 |
| thinrichs | ekcs says he's confident about getting the ones he has signed up for done | 00:10 |
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| thinrichs | masahito, ramineni_: for the ones you signed up for, does it look like they'll be finished? | 00:11 |
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| masahito | I could push it by the day, but don't have confidence to merger it. | 00:11 |
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| ramineni_ | The one assigned to me looks like already fixed | 00:13 |
| ramineni_ | I'll check again | 00:13 |
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| thinrichs | ramineni_: ekcs left a note about re-opening the bug. See the bottom of the page... | 00:13 |
| thinrichs | https://bugs.launchpad.net/congress/+bug/1612008 | 00:14 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1612008 in congress "HAHT - Update synchronizer for distributed deployment" [Critical,Triaged] - Assigned to Anusha (anusha-iiitm) | 00:14 |
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| thinrichs | Looks like there's a number of bugs no one signed up for. I picked up one of them. | 00:15 |
| ramineni_1 | thinrichs: that is also fixed by ekcs https://review.openstack.org/#/c/394598/ | 00:15 |
| thinrichs | 2 actually, since they're both the same problem | 00:15 |
| ramineni_1 | the reopened one | 00:16 |
| thinrichs | ramineni_: maybe we just add a reference to ekcs's patch then and close it. | 00:16 |
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| ramineni_1 | thinrichs: yes, ill do that | 00:16 |
| thinrichs | ramineni_: there's one more High priority work item that's unassigned | 00:17 |
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| thinrichs | ramineni_ and/or aimeeu: maybe you could take a look at that one, if you have time. | 00:17 |
| thinrichs | https://bugs.launchpad.net/congress/+bug/1637185 | 00:17 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1637185 in congress "two nodes may insert rules using conflicting schema" [High,Confirmed] | 00:18 |
| thinrichs | That looks like a pretty substantial change though. Would be good to at least understand more before ocata-1. | 00:18 |
| ramineni_1 | thinrichs: ok | 00:18 |
| thinrichs | First question is whether it is worth fixing | 00:19 |
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| thinrichs | What are the problems that it creates? | 00:19 |
| thinrichs | for the users? | 00:19 |
| thinrichs | Anything else for ocata1? | 00:20 |
| ramineni_1 | thinrichs: but synchronizing rules before create wouldnt solve that issue | 00:20 |
| thinrichs | I think it's not even a distributed-systems problem. | 00:21 |
| thinrichs | People could write p(x) :- q(x) and p(x) :- q(x,y) on a single node. | 00:21 |
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| thinrichs | If q is a datasource schema, we're checking that already and will throw out whichever q is wrong. | 00:21 |
| thinrichs | If q is defined by a rule, the system won't die—it will pick the correct one during evaluation. | 00:22 |
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| thinrichs | Today I don't think we check schemas on rules at all. | 00:22 |
| thinrichs | except for the datasource schemas, I mean | 00:22 |
| thinrichs | #topic Newton0.1 | 00:23 |
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| thinrichs | We're planning to do another Newton release around ocata-1. | 00:23 |
| thinrichs | Anyone have anything else they think needs to go in? | 00:23 |
| ramineni_1 | thinrichs: i didnt understand the problem correctly, so picking up correct at evaluation should be ok ? | 00:24 |
| ramineni_1 | may be we could discus later | 00:24 |
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| thinrichs | ramineni_1: agreed that picking up correct at eval seems okay. Only downside I can see is that people will make mistakes and not realize it. But not sure it's worth the effort to fix it given the other work we're trying to do. | 00:25 |
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| ramineni_1 | thinrichs: ok | 00:26 |
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| thinrichs | Seems that no one has anything else pressing to push into the next Newton release. | 00:27 |
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| thinrichs | #topic ocata-2+ | 00:27 |
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| thinrichs | Looking forward to the rest of ocata, we should look at the work items and try to understand if that's everything we want to do | 00:28 |
| thinrichs | and whether the milestone assignments make sense. | 00:29 |
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| thinrichs | Said another way, let's take a quick look at ocata-2 bugs and see if we think they're reasonable... | 00:29 |
| thinrichs | https://launchpad.net/congress/+milestone/ocata-2 | 00:29 |
| aimeeu | I told ecks I should be able to find the time to fix the minor bug assigned to me | 00:32 |
| ramineni_1 | thinrichs: mine seems to be very old bug , from kilo , ill check if the problem exists still | 00:33 |
| thinrichs | ramineni_1: you may have signed up for that a long time ago. It's probably just never been fixed. | 00:34 |
| ramineni_1 | thinrichs: yes, ill have a look at it | 00:34 |
| thinrichs | Janet was assigned to one of the bugs, but she hasn't contributed for a long time, so I removed her. My guess is that it was another old bug | 00:35 |
| thinrichs | Any other thoughts/comments on work items for ocata-2? | 00:36 |
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| thinrichs | If there are things that should be added-to/deleted-from that list of work items, go ahead and do that. | 00:37 |
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| masahito | got it. | 00:37 |
| masahito | btw, sorry slow response. I'm in kubecon@seattle now :-) | 00:38 |
| thinrichs | #topic Gate | 00:38 |
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| thinrichs | There's been some instability in the gate with tempest Doctor test and tempest HA test | 00:38 |
| thinrichs | Anyone make any progress on that? | 00:38 |
| ramineni_1 | thinrichs: i tried to debug , troubleshooting patch always passes :) | 00:39 |
| ramineni_1 | thinrichs: one looks like always timeout | 00:39 |
| thinrichs | Can we replicate the timeout locally? | 00:40 |
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| ramineni_1 | no, i tried to reproduce doctor error, but couldnt | 00:41 |
| ramineni_1 | thinrichs: HA test , ill try to reproduce | 00:41 |
| thinrichs | ramineni_1: great! | 00:42 |
| thinrichs | Anything else to discuss about the gate? | 00:43 |
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| thinrichs | #topic critical patch | 00:44 |
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| thinrichs | ekcs asked us all to look at the following patch, but then I noticed everyone did and I had yesterday, so I +2ed it | 00:44 |
| thinrichs | https://review.openstack.org/394598 | 00:45 |
| thinrichs | and cherry-picked it to Newton, as he requested | 00:45 |
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| thinrichs | #topic PTG | 00:45 |
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| thinrichs | Did everyone see that the PTG registration is now officially open? | 00:45 |
| aimeeu | Yes - what days are you all going to be there? | 00:46 |
| masahito | Congress session is scheduled in Wed.-Thu. | 00:47 |
| thinrichs | masahito: do you have a link to the schedule? | 00:47 |
| masahito | #link http://www.openstack.org/ptg | 00:48 |
| aimeeu | I guess I'm asking if there are sessions on M-T that are relevant to Congress | 00:48 |
| thinrichs | I haven't heard about any session M-T that we should be attending | 00:49 |
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| thinrichs | ekcs should have more info. | 00:51 |
| aimeeu | ok - thanks | 00:51 |
| thinrichs | That's all for the agenda today. open discussion for the last 9 minutes. | 00:51 |
| thinrichs | #topic open discussion | 00:51 |
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| thinrichs | Or status updates | 00:51 |
| thinrichs | If no one has anything to discuss, we can end a bit early. | 00:52 |
| thinrichs | Let's end early then. Thanks all! | 00:53 |
| ramineni_1 | thinrichs: ok | 00:53 |
| aimeeu | bye! | 00:53 |
| thinrichs | #endmeeting | 00:54 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Nov 10 00:54:12 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 00:54 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2016/congressteammeeting.2016-11-10-00.05.html | 00:54 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2016/congressteammeeting.2016-11-10-00.05.txt | 00:54 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2016/congressteammeeting.2016-11-10-00.05.log.html | 00:54 |
| masahito | bye | 00:55 |
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| iamvijendra | Hello All, I am looking the steps to commit fix in python-openstackclient. | 07:03 |
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| eumel8 | aloha | 12:59 |
| jftalta | hello eumel8 | 12:59 |
| jftalta | let's start I18n meeting | 13:00 |
| ianychoi | hi eumel8 and jftalta | 13:00 |
| jftalta | hi ianychoi | 13:00 |
| jftalta | so, let's start meeting | 13:00 |
| ianychoi | yep sorry i am moving... :) | 13:01 |
| jftalta | #startmeeting OpenStack I18n meeting | 13:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Nov 10 13:01:11 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jftalta. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: OpenStack I18n meeting)" | 13:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_i18n_meeting' | 13:01 |
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| ianychoi | Any other attendees? | 13:01 |
| eumel8 | I have another meeting in parallel ;) | 13:01 |
| jftalta | :( | 13:02 |
| eumel8 | but I'm here | 13:02 |
| jftalta | :-) | 13:02 |
| jftalta | first topic ? | 13:02 |
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| ianychoi | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/I18nTeamMeeting | 13:03 |
| jftalta | #topic Review on last meeting actions [ianychoi] | 13:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review on last meeting actions [ianychoi] (Meeting topic: OpenStack I18n meeting)" | 13:03 | |
| ianychoi | Let's follow that yep | 13:03 |
| ianychoi | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2016/openstack_i18n_meeting.2016-11-03-07.17.html | 13:04 |
| ianychoi | There is only my action :) | 13:04 |
| ianychoi | I am following actions from Barcelona i18n meetup. Although it may be slow... | 13:05 |
| eumel8 | any progess? :) | 13:05 |
| eumel8 | ok | 13:05 |
| ianychoi | Not too much.. but some progress | 13:05 |
| ianychoi | i18n-specs repo is created although we need final approval from governance | 13:05 |
| eumel8 | ok | 13:06 |
| jftalta | and we are waiting for it ? | 13:06 |
| ianychoi | #link http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/i18n-specs/tree/ | 13:06 |
| jftalta | I mean for governance approval | 13:07 |
| ianychoi | Yep also we need to fill out basic structure on this repo | 13:07 |
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| ianychoi | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/394681/ | 13:07 |
| eumel8 | you have some examples or task of things what we will put into the spec repo? | 13:08 |
| ianychoi | yep i wanna ! | 13:08 |
| jftalta | Zanata improvements, for example ? | 13:09 |
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| ianychoi | I will do it. jftalta would you add my action in this irc? | 13:09 |
| jftalta | not sure I understand your request | 13:10 |
| eumel8 | define use cases for i18n repo | 13:10 |
| eumel8 | then we can define the structure later | 13:11 |
| jftalta | ianychoi ? | 13:12 |
| ianychoi | ah i meant #action | 13:12 |
| ianychoi | i am moving and arriving .. | 13:12 |
| jftalta | ok | 13:12 |
| jftalta | #action ianychoi define use cases for i18n specs repo | 13:13 |
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| ianychoi | jftalta, cool thanks :) | 13:14 |
| eumel8 | next topic? | 13:14 |
| ianychoi | Let's move to next topic +1 :) | 13:14 |
| jftalta | ok | 13:14 |
| jftalta | #topic Summarizing i18n mascot feedback [ianychoi] | 13:14 |
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| ianychoi | There were lots of feedbacks for mascot :) I appreciate all inputs :) | 13:15 |
| ianychoi | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-i18n/2016-November/date.html | 13:15 |
| jftalta | and you, what do yo think of it ? Anychoi, eumel8 ? | 13:16 |
| ianychoi | - black lines are a little bit too bold, maybe... | 13:17 |
| ianychoi | - I just hope the white area around the parrot is not supposed to | 13:17 |
| ianychoi | be transparent, in particular for sticker | 13:17 |
| ianychoi | - it could have some more different colors because we're an international team. | 13:17 |
| ianychoi | - Red is a must because it's OpenStack, I think. Are there en overview about all team logo | 13:17 |
| ianychoi | - the red color is too much which reminds me of signs of 'Errors' and 'Warnings' | 13:17 |
| ianychoi | Those are feedbacks | 13:17 |
| ianychoi | IMO I am inclined to have red colors because it is OpenStack :) Isn't it? | 13:17 |
| jftalta | +1 | 13:18 |
| ianychoi | Yep thanks | 13:18 |
| ianychoi | #action ianychoi will submit feed to OpenStack Foundation | 13:19 |
| eumel8 | +1 | 13:19 |
| ianychoi | Okay, let's move to next topic | 13:19 |
| jftalta | #topic Progress on Zanata upgrade [clarkb, ianychoi] | 13:20 |
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| jftalta | Does upgrade mean new Zanata version deployment ? | 13:21 |
| ianychoi | yep | 13:21 |
| ianychoi | To upgrade Zanata from 3.7.3 to 3.9.6 (latest version) | 13:21 |
| jftalta | Ok. | 13:21 |
| ianychoi | Actually it seems that infra team is busy T.T | 13:22 |
| ianychoi | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-infra/2016-November/004824.html | 13:22 |
| ianychoi | Please read it. This is what I currently know for appropriate procedures | 13:22 |
| ianychoi | I am waiting for replies from infra teams.. I do not know what I can do more currently ... | 13:23 |
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| jftalta | Ok ianychoi, I will read it | 13:24 |
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| jftalta | hello adiantum | 13:24 |
| jftalta | hello Julien-zte | 13:24 |
| jftalta | Zanata 3.9.6 is the version with embedded glossary ? | 13:25 |
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| ianychoi | jftalta, I am not sure currently.. Let's ask to aeng :) | 13:26 |
| eumel8 | ianychoi: maybe you want to join the next infra meeting to ask the people for support | 13:26 |
| jftalta | ianychoi: ok, ok. I will ask to Alex :) | 13:27 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, yep I really want to but the time is 4 am here... Next week I will try but it would be much better if other i18n member (e.g., European people) will participate and call for help | 13:27 |
| ianychoi | jftalta, yep would you do that? sharing to openstack-i18n@lists.o.o is also a good idea :) | 13:28 |
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| eumel8 | mhmm, ok | 13:29 |
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| jftalta | ianychoi: I'm afraid not to have enough time :( | 13:29 |
| eumel8 | I can do this | 13:30 |
| ianychoi | jftalta, that's fine :) I great appreciate today participation. We can share our tasks and divide if possible :) | 13:30 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, thanks! | 13:30 |
| jftalta | eumel8: great :) | 13:30 |
| ianychoi | #action eumel8 will participate in next infra team meeting for Zanata upgrade | 13:31 |
| ianychoi | I think eumel8 will be able to also ask translation checksite | 13:31 |
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| ianychoi | before moving to next I want to tell that I briefly talked with some openstack-ansible guys | 13:31 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, have you read it? | 13:31 |
| eumel8 | yes, the link is in the meeting log? | 13:32 |
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| ianychoi | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/%23openstack-ansible/%23openstack-ansible.2016-11-09.log.html#t2016-11-09T16:07:20 | 13:33 |
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| ianychoi | here :) | 13:33 |
| eumel8 | thx | 13:33 |
| ianychoi | I thought I sent an e-mail to you, but if you could not find this, please let me know later. :) | 13:34 |
| eumel8 | ok | 13:35 |
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| ianychoi | Okay let's move to the next topic :) | 13:36 |
| jftalta | next topic is about I18n specs repo but we already discussed it, did not we ? | 13:36 |
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| jftalta | hello saggi | 13:36 |
| eumel8 | I think so | 13:36 |
| saggi | hi jftalta | 13:36 |
| ianychoi | Yep I think so :) | 13:37 |
| ianychoi | Then open discussion? | 13:37 |
| jftalta | Ok. So let's move to the last topic | 13:37 |
| jftalta | #topic Open discussion | 13:37 |
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| eumel8 | who is the new PTL from infra team? | 13:38 |
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| ianychoi | Jeremy Stanley, the same :) | 13:38 |
| eumel8 | ok | 13:38 |
| jftalta | Any news from Elizabeth ? | 13:38 |
| ianychoi | Aha, docs team will create a stable/newton branch soon | 13:38 |
| ianychoi | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-infra/2016-November/004836.html | 13:39 |
| ianychoi | Then I will create a stable-newton version in Zanata | 13:39 |
| eumel8 | ok | 13:39 |
| ianychoi | jftalta, which news from pleia2 ?! :) | 13:39 |
| jftalta | november 11th is a day off in France ;) | 13:40 |
| ianychoi | ? what means? Holiday in France? | 13:40 |
| jftalta | yep | 13:41 |
| ianychoi | Wow congrats :) | 13:41 |
| jftalta | 3 days weekend | 13:41 |
| eumel8 | great | 13:42 |
| ianychoi | Wow nice in Korea, tomorrow will be papero day. A snack like 11 11 , since tomorrow is 11/11 | 13:42 |
| ianychoi | http://cuteinkorea.com/pepero-day/ | 13:42 |
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| ianychoi | Similar to Valentine day but just sharing with choloates :) | 13:43 |
| jftalta | ianychoi: ready for the pepero rush ? | 13:43 |
| ianychoi | jftalta, haha maybe? | 13:43 |
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| ianychoi | And... for IRC meeting | 13:44 |
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| ianychoi | I am a little bit afraid of less participation.. | 13:44 |
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| eumel8 | pleia2 is on a conference in Germany next days: http://insights.ubuntu.com/2016/11/03/join-the-ubuntu-community-at-ubucon-europe-in-essen-germany/ | 13:44 |
| ianychoi | But I do not know the main reason for such less participation. Any idea for this? | 13:44 |
| jftalta | hello nmagnezi | 13:45 |
| nmagnezi | jftalta, hello | 13:45 |
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| jftalta | ianychoi: no idea. But I think it's to early to worry about that | 13:45 |
| ianychoi | jftalta, Okay. Let's tentatively consider it :) | 13:46 |
| ianychoi | I shared this picture to pleia2 : https://twitter.com/pleia2/status/793873132998184960 | 13:46 |
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| eumel8 | hehe | 13:47 |
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| ianychoi | Previously, i18n team had two meetings: 1st week 06:00 UTC and 3rd week 13:00 UTC every month | 13:47 |
| ianychoi | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-infra/2016-November/004835.html | 13:48 |
| jftalta | nice people ;) | 13:48 |
| ianychoi | But it seems that Foundation people think just registering two weekly meetings and using alternating weeks would be fine | 13:48 |
| ianychoi | Note that I am open to change IRC meeting schedule and frequency.. but let's try to continue by this year :) | 13:49 |
| jftalta | Ok | 13:50 |
| jftalta | we need stability | 13:50 |
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| ianychoi | I agree :) | 13:50 |
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| jftalta | ianychoi: the new Zanata landing page is clear. Thx. | 13:51 |
| ianychoi | jftalta, thanks :) If you need something then feel free to tell me :) | 13:51 |
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| jftalta | ok | 13:52 |
| ianychoi | Maybe I will change documention translation plan: from master to stable-newton for install-guides, common and networking-guide after docs team will create stable/newton branch | 13:52 |
| jftalta | You will have to s/master/newton-stable/ soon. | 13:52 |
| jftalta | yep ! | 13:52 |
| ianychoi | Yep! | 13:52 |
| ianychoi | Aha.. and jftalta, are you interested in translating training-guides? | 13:54 |
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| ianychoi | #link https://translate.openstack.org/iteration/view/training-guides/master/languages/ko-KR | 13:54 |
| ianychoi | Korean team 100% translated :) | 13:54 |
| ianychoi | #link http://docs.openstack.org/upstream-training/ | 13:54 |
| jftalta | can't answer to your question right now. I will take a look... | 13:55 |
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| ianychoi | For me, the content is so beneficial. Thanks to that, I think I could more involve in more contributing and communicating activities in OpenStack with IRC :) | 13:55 |
| jftalta | Ok, I understand | 13:55 |
| jftalta | I gonna take a look | 13:56 |
| ianychoi | jftalta, yep if you also have interests, you can translate it :) | 13:56 |
| ianychoi | Then.. maybe.. shall we finish today meeting? | 13:57 |
| jftalta | On my part, we can | 13:57 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, would it be fine? :) | 13:57 |
| eumel8 | yes | 13:58 |
| eumel8 | thx | 13:58 |
| ianychoi | Thenks a lot today, jftalta and eumel8 ! | 13:58 |
| jftalta | thanks | 13:58 |
| eumel8 | thx to all | 13:58 |
| jftalta | see you soon | 13:59 |
| eumel8 | cu all | 13:59 |
| jftalta | may I end the meeting ? | 13:59 |
| ianychoi | jftalta, yep thanks!! | 13:59 |
| jftalta | ok | 14:00 |
| jftalta | good bye everybody | 14:00 |
| ianychoi | goodbye all! | 14:00 |
| jftalta | #endmeeting | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Nov 10 14:00:44 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2016/openstack_i18n_meeting.2016-11-10-13.01.html | 14:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2016/openstack_i18n_meeting.2016-11-10-13.01.txt | 14:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2016/openstack_i18n_meeting.2016-11-10-13.01.log.html | 14:00 |
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| russellb | Hi, is anyone here to discuss networking-ovn? | 19:00 |
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| dtroyer | russellb: that may have been an hour ago? it is 19:00 UTC now | 19:04 |
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| russellb | sure enough! | 19:04 |
| russellb | DST is so annoying | 19:05 |
| dtroyer | so, any OSC folk around? or is the US DST thing biting us all? | 19:05 |
| dtroyer | :) | 19:05 |
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| dtroyer | sc68cal: its just us so far, something you want to talk about there? | 19:09 |
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| sc68cal | dtroyer: basically just that patch from armax - it looks good to me, but if you have spare cycles take a gander | 19:10 |
| dtroyer | I will, I'm finally catching up on OSC reviews today, will drift that way this afternoon | 19:11 |
| armax | sc68cal: thanks, I’ll poke redeep so that I can finish off the translation | 19:11 |
| armax | sc68cal: then I’ll move to grenade | 19:11 |
| sc68cal | cool. If Jordan Pittier is around we can pull him in and badger him | 19:11 |
| sc68cal | I don't remember his IRC handle | 19:11 |
| ankur-gupta-f | dtroyer: | 19:11 |
| ankur-gupta-f | questions about some of the agent commands | 19:11 |
| ankur-gupta-f | OSC | 19:11 |
| dtroyer | ok, hang on, let me actualy start the meeting if we're going to talk about stuff… :) | 19:12 |
| dtroyer | #startmeeting openstackclient | 19:12 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Nov 10 19:12:15 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dtroyer. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:12 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:12 |
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| dtroyer | Logs are Good(TM) | 19:12 |
| dtroyer | ankur-gupta-f: ok, what's up? | 19:12 |
| ankur-gupta-f | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/385729/ | 19:12 |
| ankur-gupta-f | lets get this command resolved since DHCP to Network would be done the same way | 19:12 |
| ankur-gupta-f | agents list --routers <agent-id> is confusing | 19:13 |
| ankur-gupta-f | was considering agents show <agent-id> --routers | 19:13 |
| dtroyer | first off, what resource do you want to appear in the list output? | 19:13 |
| ankur-gupta-f | agents list --routers would return a list of routers. But the command requires the agent (name or ID) | 19:14 |
| dtroyer | no | 19:14 |
| dtroyer | 'routers list ' is how you get a list of routers | 19:15 |
| dtroyer | if you want to filter that list, add options | 19:15 |
| dtroyer | such as —agent <agent-id> | 19:15 |
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| ankur-gupta-f | okay. But the endpoint is still v2/agents/<id> . | 19:16 |
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| dtroyer | we do not car about that at the CLI | 19:16 |
| ankur-gupta-f | So we don't care about the background logic, just what is easiest to understand for an end user | 19:16 |
| dtroyer | exactly | 19:16 |
| ankur-gupta-f | makes perfect sense. Okay will pass that info to Shashank who is running the dchp agent/network commands | 19:17 |
| dtroyer | cool | 19:17 |
| ankur-gupta-f | now also Meter Label Rule | 19:17 |
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| ankur-gupta-f | you want to get rid of Label | 19:17 |
| ankur-gupta-f | just call it Meter and Meter Rule | 19:17 |
| dtroyer | I don't know enough about those to know if that is reasonable | 19:17 |
| ankur-gupta-f | armax: are you still around to provide input? | 19:18 |
| dtroyer | but it didn't make sense to me to be adding rules to a lable (just at a conceptual level) | 19:18 |
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| ankur-gupta-f | It sounds reasonable to me. But should grab the input of someone more experience in the network domain | 19:19 |
| dtroyer | so basically, is 'network meter' a different thing than 'network meter label'? | 19:19 |
| ankur-gupta-f | Dont think it would be an issue | 19:20 |
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| dtroyer | ok | 19:20 |
| ankur-gupta-f | final one. and this one is a weird one... Auto Allocated Topology | 19:21 |
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| ankur-gupta-f | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/391331/ | 19:21 |
| ankur-gupta-f | you are right. saying "openstack network auto allocated topology show" sounds clumsy | 19:21 |
| dtroyer | that's an awkward name | 19:22 |
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| ankur-gupta-f | the spec also refers to it as "Get me a network" | 19:22 |
| ankur-gupta-f | but thats not good either | 19:22 |
| dtroyer | is 'network topology' something else in Neutron? | 19:22 |
| ankur-gupta-f | yes | 19:22 |
| dtroyer | ok. I'd like to hear what the developers had in mind for the users to think about with this. | 19:23 |
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| dtroyer | it looks like a resource with CRUD operations, is there more? | 19:23 |
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| dtroyer | walking through the workflow that a user is expected to follow can be helpful in sorting out things like this | 19:24 |
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| dtroyer | also, 'network topology' is not already used in OSC, will it be in the future (apart from the auto-allocated case)? | 19:25 |
| ankur-gupta-f | it is in progress | 19:25 |
| ankur-gupta-f | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/358456/ | 19:26 |
| dtroyer | then 'auto-allocated' sounds like a special case of that | 19:26 |
| sc68cal | is network topology related to routed networks in neutron? | 19:26 |
| ankur-gupta-f | "**network topology** displays the virtual network topology. | 19:27 |
| ankur-gupta-f | It collects data from existing REST APIs. This data includes the | 19:27 |
| ankur-gupta-f | count of routers, dhcp agents and instances which connect to every | 19:27 |
| ankur-gupta-f | network. It also gets more details about devices which connect to | 19:27 |
| ankur-gupta-f | the specified network." | 19:27 |
| dtroyer | so that isn't an actual resource | 19:27 |
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| ankur-gupta-f | yea im confused about the purpose of it | 19:29 |
| sc68cal | does OSC have a history of new commands that don't map directly to resources an API provides? | 19:29 |
| dtroyer | sc68cal: we do have some, and something like this is not out of like (see the upcoming project purge command) | 19:30 |
| sc68cal | ok, works for me then | 19:30 |
| dtroyer | but in this case it isn't particularly clear to me what this is doing | 19:30 |
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| ankur-gupta-f | I also see that Armando has commented he doesn't see the use of the network topology command. | 19:30 |
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| sc68cal | dtroyer: agree, at the very least it needs more clarity as to what it is doing | 19:31 |
| dtroyer | I would rather not take up the 'network topology' resource name for something that isn't a resource if it means we make the auto-allocated one longer/worse | 19:31 |
| sc68cal | network-visualize ? | 19:31 |
| sc68cal | err network visualize | 19:31 |
| dtroyer | I think armax's point is to get the base work done first, then come back to compound commands | 19:31 |
| dtroyer | sc68cal: yes, more along those lines | 19:31 |
| dtroyer | maybe with options to get more specific | 19:32 |
| sc68cal | sounds good to me | 19:32 |
| dtroyer | this is where losing Rich is going to slow things down, he was our Neutron knowledge base | 19:33 |
| sc68cal | i can pinch hit for him I guess | 19:33 |
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| dtroyer | serious? that would be awesome | 19:33 |
| sc68cal | i'll add the repo to gertty and start lurking | 19:34 |
| ankur-gupta-f | +1 | 19:34 |
| ankur-gupta-f | what is the final verdict on how to handle auto allocated topology, just shorten to network topology | 19:35 |
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| dtroyer | ankur-gupta-f: that's my preference, if that makes sense | 19:36 |
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| dtroyer | if there is more than one kind of topology, use options to specify type | 19:36 |
| ankur-gupta-f | makes sense. I will provide a bit extra information in the help texts so users aren't confused | 19:36 |
| dtroyer | anything else? | 19:36 |
| ankur-gupta-f | Tag extension | 19:37 |
| ankur-gupta-f | has already been implemented in neutronclient fully, but needs to be added as a plugin for osc into neutronclient. It seems repeated/redundant | 19:37 |
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| ankur-gupta-f | http://docs.openstack.org/developer/neutron/devref/tag.html | 19:38 |
| dtroyer | I do have one question on network options: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/392457/ | 19:39 |
| dtroyer | —allowed-address-pair appears to have at most two components, and the mac address seems to be optional per the API spec | 19:39 |
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| dtroyer | can anyone verify that is true? | 19:40 |
| * sc68cal takes a look | 19:40 | |
| dtroyer | if so, I'd like to shorten the name and make the mac, and the labels optional: '—allowed address 1.2.3.4' and '—allowed-address ip-address=1.2.3.4' would be both accepted | 19:41 |
| dtroyer | in addition tot he current form | 19:41 |
| sc68cal | yeah it looks like ip_address is required, and mac is optional | 19:42 |
| sc68cal | and ip address can be an IP or a subnet/cidr | 19:43 |
| dtroyer | I thought about suggesting dnsmasq-style options, so an IP and a MAC would be usable without the labels: 1.2.3.4,aa:bb:cc:dd:ee:ff | 19:43 |
| dtroyer | not sure how that sits with folks, can come later | 19:43 |
| dtroyer | sc68cal: do you know how strict Neutron is on MAC formats? | 19:43 |
| dtroyer | specifically, using ':' or '-' separators, or no spearators at all? | 19:44 |
| sc68cal | I'll double check but I believe ":" | 19:44 |
| ankur-gupta-f | dtroyer: sc68cal: gotta head out. But thanks for the input | 19:45 |
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| dtroyer | ok. I'll add a re-formatter to the wishlist, enough other things have different formats that it might be nice to be able to handle the output directly | 19:45 |
| dtroyer | ankur-gupta-f: thank you | 19:45 |
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| sc68cal | dtroyer: looks like we call netaddr 's mac validator directly | 19:46 |
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| sc68cal | https://netaddr.readthedocs.io/en/latest/api.html#mac-formatting-dialects | 19:46 |
| sc68cal | "The following dialects are used to specify the formatting of MAC addresses." | 19:46 |
| sc68cal | aaaaaand it's blank | 19:46 |
| dtroyer | nice :) | 19:47 |
| sc68cal | https://netaddr.readthedocs.io/en/latest/tutorial_02.html#formatting | 19:47 |
| sc68cal | so looks like it takes quite a few | 19:47 |
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| dtroyer | good deal, I'll not worry about it in OSC then, thanks | 19:48 |
| dtroyer | we should doc that somewhere in OSC though… | 19:48 |
| * dtroyer makes that note | 19:48 | |
| dtroyer | ok, anything else? | 19:49 |
| dtroyer | anyone else? | 19:49 |
| dtroyer | Buehler? | 19:49 |
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| dtroyer | ok, I'll be quick and end now… | 19:50 |
| dtroyer | sc68cal: thanks for jumping in to our little fire | 19:50 |
| sc68cal | no prob | 19:50 |
| sshank | Need some reviews on my patches. | 19:50 |
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| sshank | can you please review my client patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/387611/ | 19:51 |
| dtroyer | sshank: specifics? I've only gotten back to the queue in the last day or so since BCN…there are a few :) | 19:51 |
| sshank | and SDK: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/387602/ | 19:51 |
| sshank | Thanks! :) | 19:51 |
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| dtroyer | I can look at the OSC one soon enough, but it can' be merged until the SDK change is released | 19:52 |
| sshank | dtroyer, Ok. | 19:52 |
| sshank | dtroyer, Thanks. | 19:52 |
| dtroyer | sshank: since you are here, let's talk about the resource names a bit | 19:53 |
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| sshank | dtroyer, yes. Sure. | 19:54 |
| dtroyer | 'network hosting dhcp-agents' | 19:54 |
| dtroyer | what is that? | 19:54 |
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| sshank | dtroyer, I was thinking it will be equivalent to neutron client 'net-list-on-dhcp-agent' | 19:55 |
| dtroyer | forget about neutronclient equivalents | 19:55 |
| dtroyer | what is the 'thing' you are trying to list? | 19:55 |
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| sshank | dtroyer, To list DHCP agents hosted on a network. | 19:57 |
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| dtroyer | so 'dhcp agent list —netowrk <network-id>' maybe? | 19:57 |
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| sshank | dtroyer, Ok. I'll make the change. | 19:59 |
| dtroyer | start with the resource that you want to list, then add the filters as options | 19:59 |
| dtroyer | same with the network agent dhcp hosted-networks | 19:59 |
| dtroyer | that seems like new filter options to network agent list | 19:59 |
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| dtroyer | and we're out of time | 20:00 |
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| dtroyer | sshank: if you want to keep talking about this, we're in #openstack-sdks | 20:00 |
| dtroyer | Thanks everyone | 20:00 |
| dtroyer | #endmeeting | 20:00 |
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| sshank | dtroyer, Ok. Thanks. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Nov 10 20:00:45 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstackclient/2016/openstackclient.2016-11-10-19.12.html | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstackclient/2016/openstackclient.2016-11-10-19.12.txt | 20:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstackclient/2016/openstackclient.2016-11-10-19.12.log.html | 20:00 |
| ianw | dib meeting? | 20:01 |
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| artom | o_O | 20:59 |
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| bauzas | artom: ways to find how to be highlighted :p | 21:00 |
| mriedem | #startmeeting nova | 21:00 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova' | 21:00 |
| takashin | o/ | 21:01 |
| dansmith | o/ | 21:01 |
| bauzas | \o | 21:01 |
| hshiina | o/ | 21:01 |
| melwitt | o/ | 21:01 |
| edleafe | \o | 21:01 |
| * Vek waves | 21:01 | |
| tonyb | \o | 21:02 |
| mriedem | alright lets get started | 21:02 |
| mriedem | #link agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Nova#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 21:02 |
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| mriedem | #topic Release News | 21:02 |
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| mriedem | #link Ocata release schedule: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/Ocata_Release_Schedule | 21:02 |
| mriedem | #info Next upcoming date: Nov 17: o-1 milestone, spec approval freeze | 21:02 |
| mriedem | so that's a week from today | 21:02 |
| mriedem | bauzas brought up the idea of a spec review sprint, | 21:03 |
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| mriedem | which i'm cool with, but what day would work for people? | 21:03 |
| diana_clarke | o/ | 21:03 |
| mriedem | knowing that there is going to be some lag in replies | 21:03 |
| bauzas | tomorrow's bank holiday in some countries, which I stupidely forgot | 21:03 |
| mriedem | ok so all non-US countries have tomorrow off | 21:03 |
| mriedem | i'm told | 21:03 |
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| mriedem | so monday is probably the day if we do one | 21:04 |
| bauzas | Monday would be the only possible day, yeah | 21:04 |
| mriedem | i sort of feel we need a list of things that we want to see get in as semi priorities, and make a list to focus on | 21:04 |
| bauzas | I agree | 21:04 |
| mriedem | i've already starred more than i can probably review myself in a single dya | 21:04 |
| mriedem | *day | 21:04 |
| mriedem | so...what i propose is i make up a list of specs to review, mainly around things we talked about at the summit | 21:04 |
| mriedem | and then we chug through that on monday | 21:05 |
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| mriedem | sound fair? | 21:05 |
| bauzas | those owners should know about that, so they could update directly during the day | 21:05 |
| mriedem | i mean, i realize it's not 100% for all, but | 21:05 |
| mriedem | bauzas: well i'd make the list, send to the ML | 21:05 |
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| bauzas | mriedem: then it's cool, it's up to the owners to be responsive | 21:06 |
| bauzas | and keep the ball running | 21:06 |
| mriedem | yeah, of course anything close we think is good to get in that doesn't make the 17th will probably get an exception | 21:06 |
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| mriedem | #action mriedem to cull a list of priority specs to review for a spec review sprint on monday 11/14 and send that info to the ML | 21:06 |
| bauzas | what I like with the idea of a sprint day means that we have owners and reviewers at the same page during one day | 21:06 |
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| bauzas | that's not just for reviewers | 21:07 |
| mriedem | ok speaking of specs | 21:07 |
| mriedem | #link Open specs: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/nova-specs+status:open | 21:07 |
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| mriedem | ok something not spec related | 21:07 |
| mriedem | Poll: 2 or 3 days for the PTG? Wed-Thurs or Wed-Fri? The first two days will be cross-project. The last 3 days are meetup style. | 21:07 |
| mriedem | i got an email from the foundation asking how many days we're going to have for the nova 'vertical' track at the PTG | 21:08 |
| mriedem | that's really the meetup portion | 21:08 |
| mriedem | i assume 3 | 21:08 |
| mriedem | but want to ask | 21:08 |
| cdent | more the better I'd say | 21:08 |
| edleafe | I was assuming all 3 | 21:08 |
| bauzas | we won't have a midcycle before | 21:08 |
| dansmith | yep me too | 21:08 |
| bauzas | so yeah, ++ for 3 | 21:08 |
| mriedem | #info nova will have 3 vertical days at the PTG | 21:09 |
| edleafe | bauzas: yeah, this is a summit-like design session I guess | 21:09 |
| mriedem | or...it's not | 21:09 |
| mriedem | it's replacing the meetups | 21:09 |
| bauzas | edleafe: I don't want to enter that discussion about what kind of format the PTG should be :) | 21:09 |
| mriedem | the design summit at the summit is the 40 minute tracks | 21:09 |
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| mriedem | yeah, let's just say no one actually knows | 21:10 |
| mriedem | so we'll figure out later | 21:10 |
| edleafe | heh | 21:10 |
| mriedem | ok moving on | 21:10 |
| edleafe | well, in the sense that it is planning the next release | 21:10 |
| edleafe | as opposed to mid-course corrections | 21:10 |
| bauzas | edleafe: I just commented on the fact that the last f2f meeting before the PTG will be 4 months before | 21:10 |
| tonyb | wheer later is "early March" ;P | 21:10 |
| edleafe | tonyb: +1 | 21:10 |
| mriedem | let's move this to nova after the meeting | 21:11 |
| mriedem | #topic bugs | 21:11 |
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| mriedem | no critical bugs | 21:11 |
| mriedem | 60 new bugs to be triaged | 21:11 |
| mriedem | that's down from 75 last friday, so thanks for those helping out there | 21:11 |
| mriedem | gate status | 21:11 |
| mriedem | things are pretty quiet | 21:11 |
| mriedem | for now... | 21:12 |
| mriedem | #info CI jobs are using Neutron now by default if they don't specify otherwise: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/392934/ - watch for fallout | 21:12 |
| mriedem | ^ merged in the last hour | 21:12 |
| mriedem | i'll be around for another hour or so, and then heading home but will be online tonight to help deal with any fallout if there is any | 21:12 |
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| mriedem | i don't have any news for 3rd party ci status | 21:12 |
| * tonyb will keep an eye out also | 21:12 | |
| mriedem | wznoinsk has a message in the ML about NFV minded third party CI jobs/tests to unite | 21:13 |
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| mriedem | questions / issues about bugs? | 21:13 |
| mriedem | #topic reminders | 21:13 |
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| mriedem | #link Ocata review priorities https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ocata-nova-priorities-tracking | 21:13 |
| mriedem | #topic Stable branch status: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/stable-tracker | 21:13 |
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| mriedem | we had a stable/newton release last week, 14.0.2 i think | 21:14 |
| mriedem | lyarwood has been busy https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:stable/newton,n,z | 21:14 |
| mriedem | tonyb: liberty final releases next week or the week after? | 21:14 |
| tonyb | mriedem: final release next week tagging eol the week after at this point | 21:15 |
| mriedem | #info liberty final releases are next week (11/14), then liberty-eol the week after that | 21:15 |
| mriedem | #topic subteam highlights | 21:15 |
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| mriedem | Cells v2 (dansmith) | 21:15 |
| dansmith | oh, hello | 21:15 |
| dansmith | we've got the things we discussed at summit underway, | 21:16 |
| dansmith | specifically the cells scheduler interaction and quotas work | 21:16 |
| dansmith | things seem happy | 21:16 |
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| dansmith | testing changes are up and or going in to support those things | 21:16 |
| dansmith | fin? | 21:16 |
| mriedem | ya | 21:16 |
| mriedem | danke | 21:16 |
| mriedem | Scheduler (edleafe) | 21:16 |
| edleafe | short meeting | 21:16 |
| edleafe | discussed needs for API for getting resource providers | 21:16 |
| edleafe | agreed to discuss in a hangout afterwards | 21:16 |
| edleafe | bauzas to make specless BP for cleaning up request spec | 21:16 |
| edleafe | the rest were small details | 21:16 |
| edleafe | dat's it | 21:17 |
| bauzas | edleafe: that's done | 21:17 |
| bauzas | and approved | 21:17 |
| edleafe | bauzas: cool - saw that earlier | 21:17 |
| mriedem | edleafe: ok, is anyone talking about upgrade / CI plans for the placement API in ocata? specifically, making it required to upgrade to ocata | 21:17 |
| mriedem | we're working on making cells v2 required to upgrade to ocata | 21:17 |
| mriedem | and making it a default in CI in ocata jobs | 21:17 |
| mriedem | we need similar for placement | 21:17 |
| edleafe | mriedem: no, we haven't covered that yet | 21:18 |
| mriedem | #help need to figure out the upgrade / CI plans for the placement service so it's required to deploy that when upgrading to ocata | 21:18 |
| edleafe | all we planned for ocata is to have the scheduler get a streamlined list of hosts from placement | 21:18 |
| bauzas | edleafe: that could be a prerequisite to enable the placement API for that | 21:18 |
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| edleafe | mriedem: we agreed at the summit that the placement db would remain optional | 21:18 |
| mriedem | dansmith: didn't we identify a need for some better wording in the newton release notes about running placement in newton to populate the needed things | 21:19 |
| mriedem | before ocata | 21:19 |
| dansmith | mriedem: yes, like "by optional we meant required" | 21:19 |
| mriedem | surprise! | 21:19 |
| mriedem | edleafe: ok so can you take that to the subteam meeting and start hashing out what the plan is there? | 21:19 |
| edleafe | mriedem: sure thing | 21:19 |
| mriedem | thanks | 21:19 |
| bauzas | well, if operators enable the placement API now, newton computes will still be able to send their resources | 21:20 |
| bauzas | but let's discuss that off | 21:20 |
| mriedem | bauzas: yes, and that's part of what we need | 21:20 |
| mriedem | part of that work is going to be documentation | 21:20 |
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| mriedem | "oh i see you want to upgrade to ocata but aren't running placement yet, well, let me tell you something..." | 21:20 |
| bauzas | (FWIW, I'm on board with having it required for ocata, the sooner being the better) | 21:20 |
| mriedem | dansmith also had an idea for a 'ready-to-upgrade' nova-manage CLI | 21:20 |
| * dansmith nods approvingly | 21:21 | |
| mriedem | to be part of our process | 21:21 |
| mriedem | as we have a lot of balls in the air | 21:21 |
| mriedem | oh heavens | 21:21 |
| mriedem | anyway, things to think about | 21:21 |
| mriedem | let us move on | 21:21 |
| mriedem | tdurakov left me some notes about the live migration meeting | 21:21 |
| mriedem | Review priorities: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/389546/ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/379638/ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/389687/ | 21:21 |
| mriedem | i've had some exposure on the first 2, need eyes on the last one | 21:22 |
| mriedem | the other highlight was they started a poc for post-copy testing | 21:22 |
| mriedem | api subteam, | 21:22 |
| mriedem | johnthetubaguy: are you around? | 21:22 |
| mriedem | that's at 7am for me now so i basically don't make it | 21:23 |
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| mriedem | the priorities for the api subteam right now are really about getting agreement on specs we identified at the summit | 21:23 |
| bauzas | I was partially following | 21:23 |
| mriedem | some of that info is in my summit recap on the api session | 21:23 |
| bauzas | yeah, most of the discussion was about things discussed at summit | 21:24 |
| mriedem | sriov/pci meeting - don't have any notes here | 21:24 |
| bauzas | and follow-ups | 21:24 |
| mriedem | lbeliveau_: was there an sriov/pci meeting? | 21:24 |
| mriedem | moving on | 21:24 |
| mriedem | Notification (gibi) | 21:24 |
| mriedem | these are the highlights | 21:25 |
| mriedem | The notification transformation work progressing well, there are 4 transformation patches ready for core review. | 21:25 |
| mriedem | syjulian works on the implementation of the json-schema-for-versioned-notifications bp the first two patches are ready for core review | 21:25 |
| mriedem | The ocata-nova-priorities-tracking etherpad is up to date with the patches ready for core review | 21:25 |
| lbeliveau_ | mriedem: missed it this week, but heard from moshele that it was quick | 21:25 |
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| mriedem | lbeliveau_: ok | 21:25 |
| mriedem | Discussion is ongoing in the 3 bug reports opened by searchlight guys to decide what extra data is needed for searchlight in the notifications. https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?field.tag=searchlight There are performance concerns about the extra db query needed to provide some of the data (BDM). | 21:25 |
| mriedem | wrt ^, | 21:25 |
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| mriedem | dims opened a bug against oslo.messaging to provide a way to tell if notifications are enabled, | 21:26 |
| mriedem | so we can avoid building payloads if we don't need to | 21:26 |
| mriedem | and on the BDMs one gibi and I talked about potentially making that configurable, like the option about sending notifications on task_state changes | 21:26 |
| mriedem | at least in the cases that we don't have the BDMs in scope for the notification already and would have to get them from the DB | 21:26 |
| mriedem | ok any questions about subteam stuff? | 21:27 |
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| mriedem | #topic stuck reviews | 21:27 |
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| mriedem | there wasn't anything in the agenda | 21:27 |
| mriedem | #topic open discussion | 21:27 |
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| mriedem | Specless BP request (hshiina) | 21:27 |
| mriedem | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/inject-nmi-ironic - Introduce inject NMI interface in nova ironic driver | 21:28 |
| mriedem | hshiina: jroll: want to speak to any of these? | 21:28 |
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| hshiina | they are listed in ironic priorities in ocata. | 21:28 |
| mriedem | the ironic spec was approved in newton https://review.openstack.org/#/c/186700/ | 21:28 |
| mriedem | so for nmi injection, the work isn't done in ironic correct? | 21:29 |
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| mriedem | i'm fine with approving the specless blueprint, but it's obviously blocked | 21:29 |
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| mriedem | so i'll mark it as such | 21:29 |
| hshiina | ironic work is not done yet. | 21:29 |
| mriedem | #action mriedem to approve https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/inject-nmi-ironic as a specless feature parity blueprint but it's blocked on the ironic changes | 21:29 |
| hshiina | but, will be done. | 21:29 |
| mriedem | come hell or high water | 21:30 |
| mriedem | ok this one: | 21:30 |
| mriedem | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/soft-reboot-poweroff - Support soft reboot and poweroff in nova ironic driver | 21:30 |
| mriedem | soft power off is the graceful shutdown thing right? | 21:30 |
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| hshiina | yes | 21:30 |
| mriedem | where we wait a certain amount of time for the guest os to shutdown before killing it | 21:30 |
| mriedem | ok | 21:30 |
| mriedem | yeah i imagine people with baremetal machines care about that... | 21:31 |
| mriedem | looks like the same ironic spec as the NMI change https://review.openstack.org/#/c/186700/ | 21:31 |
| mriedem | is that correct? | 21:31 |
| hshiina | yes | 21:31 |
| tonyb | I think it's fine from the nova side, if the h/w can't do it then meh. | 21:31 |
| hshiina | both changes were propesed in one spec. | 21:32 |
| mriedem | ok, same story then | 21:32 |
| tonyb | If auto promoting soft power off to hard power off a thing we do in other drivers? | 21:32 |
| mriedem | #action mriedem to approve specless feature parity blueprint https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/soft-reboot-poweroff but it's blocked on the ironic changes | 21:32 |
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| wznoinsk | hshiina, would soft mean either reboot command from within operating system or pressing power button (ACPI) where hard is plug out? | 21:32 |
| mriedem | auto-promoting? | 21:32 |
| * tonyb thought the client needed to make 2 calls ... | 21:32 | |
| mriedem | tonyb: i believe we try soft and if it fails we hard reboot | 21:32 |
| mriedem | oh sorry shutdown... | 21:33 |
| mriedem | i'd have to dig into that code | 21:33 |
| tonyb | mriedem: I read the spec as client requests a soft power off and if that doesn't complete promotoe it to hard poweroff | 21:33 |
| mriedem | i know it's configurable....which is less than ideal | 21:33 |
| hshiina | ACPI is sent via ipmi. | 21:33 |
| tonyb | I know it's a little tangental but it'd be great if we had a plan to be consistent there for all HV drivers ... | 21:33 |
| mriedem | tonyb: would need to look at that flow in nova today | 21:33 |
| mriedem | there are a few config options involved | 21:34 |
| tonyb | mriedem: sign me up boss | 21:34 |
| mriedem | #action tonyb to figure out wtf we do wrt graceful shutdown | 21:34 |
| wznoinsk | hshiina, ok, thanks | 21:34 |
| mriedem | ok that's it for the agenda | 21:34 |
| jlvillal | o/ | 21:34 |
| mriedem | opening it up for open discussion if anyone has anything | 21:34 |
| wznoinsk | mriedem, I was actually hoping I could use your voice to encourage people to share their opinion in the ML/etherpad about nfv tests | 21:34 |
| hshiina | thanks | 21:34 |
| mriedem | wznoinsk: did you see me mention that already? | 21:35 |
| wznoinsk | yes, my wrist did shiver when you mentioned my (smartwatch disease) | 21:35 |
| mriedem | #help give wznoinsk feedback on collaborating on NFV CI testing | 21:35 |
| wznoinsk | thanks | 21:35 |
| mriedem | anything else? | 21:35 |
| mriedem | if not, on a personal note, i want to say i acknowledge the angst in the ML and if people want to talk to me about things, please do so | 21:36 |
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| * tonyb requesst stable reviews .... | 21:36 | |
| mriedem | tonyb: for nova or in general? | 21:36 |
| tonyb | I think there are a few that need a seconc +2 | 21:36 |
| tonyb | mriedem: .... nova | 21:37 |
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| mriedem | #help need help with stable branch reviews | 21:37 |
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| mriedem | ok that's on me, i'll take a look | 21:37 |
| mriedem | remind me if i don't | 21:37 |
| tonyb | mriedem: You published a few so it | 21:37 |
| tonyb | 'd be good for johnthetubaguy or dansmith to take a look | 21:37 |
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| mriedem | ok if nothing else we'll end the meeting, thanks everyone | 21:38 |
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| mriedem | #endmeeting | 21:38 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Nov 10 21:38:10 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:38 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2016/nova.2016-11-10-21.00.html | 21:38 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2016/nova.2016-11-10-21.00.txt | 21:38 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2016/nova.2016-11-10-21.00.log.html | 21:38 |
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| armax | ahoy | 21:57 |
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| armax | kevinbenton, HenryG, ihrachys, amuller, amotoki, carl_baldwin: ping | 21:59 |
| ihrachys | o/ | 22:00 |
| armax | ihrachys: it looks like it’s just you and me today? | 22:00 |
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| HenryG | I am kind of here | 22:01 |
| johnsom | o/ | 22:01 |
| carl_baldwin | o/ | 22:01 |
| ihrachys | ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ | 22:01 |
| kevinbenton | Hi | 22:01 |
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| armax | it looks like we have quorum, but always the usual defectors | 22:02 |
| armax | shall we start or strike in protest? | 22:02 |
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| armax | HenryG: how much of you is here? | 22:03 |
| armax | <50% | 22:03 |
| armax | ? | 22:03 |
| kevinbenton | Im here! | 22:03 |
| armax | kevinbenton: you don’t count | 22:03 |
| HenryG | 87.6% | 22:03 |
| armax | and neither do I | 22:03 |
| armax | HenryG: that’s a remarkably high % | 22:03 |
| armax | then I guess we can start and make it quick | 22:04 |
| armax | #startmeeting neutron_drivers | 22:04 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Nov 10 22:04:15 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is armax. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 22:04 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 22:04 |
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| HenryG | armax: only for this hour | 22:04 |
| armax | how many of you want to start with a joke about the newly US president elect? | 22:04 |
| armax | no-one? | 22:04 |
| ihrachys | I already did | 22:04 |
| armax | ihrachys: I must have missed it | 22:05 |
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| armax | so let’s tackle the ‘easy’ part | 22:05 |
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| armax | we have fewer assessments in flight | 22:06 |
| armax | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/neutron-specs+branch:master+topic:stadium-implosion | 22:06 |
| armax | once the individual ones merge, I’ll respin the summary once more and I will apply a lot more scrutiny on the outstanding work items required by the subprojects that are kept in the governance list | 22:07 |
| ihrachys | bagpipe is probably ready to go. I was thinking maybe calico needed some time to show progress, but I haven't seen any, so maybe we can land that one as well. | 22:07 |
| armax | the final stage of the consolidation process is to contribute API/OSC mappings to neutron-lib and python-neutronclient respectively | 22:07 |
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| armax | ihrachys: ack | 22:07 |
| armax | I have not heard from neiljerram | 22:08 |
| ihrachys | for fwaas, they are working hard and show a lot of progress, but I don't think the last bits they may land would make a difference in their fate either. so time to +A all? | 22:08 |
| ihrachys | no objections? then I will press the button for three. | 22:09 |
| neiljerram | ihrachys, I am here if you need! | 22:10 |
| neiljerram | sorry, armax | 22:10 |
| armax | ihrachys: bear in mind that assessments, aside for some glaring exception are not meant to express a verdict of in and out | 22:10 |
| ihrachys | sure thing. they are still useful to fill in the summary, so better have them more or less current | 22:10 |
| armax | ihrachys: aye | 22:10 |
| armax | neiljerram: we were wondering if anything changed on your end as far as networking-calico | 22:11 |
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| armax | johnsom: did you refresh the governance change for octavia/lbaas? | 22:12 |
| neiljerram | armax, I believe I made quite a bit of progress during the summit. For example, there is now a working dsvm-tempest test that runs a useful set of tests | 22:12 |
| armax | neiljerram: that’s impressive | 22:12 |
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| neiljerram | armax, Also sorted out Python 3 support | 22:12 |
| johnsom | armax not yet, got distracted with a gate issue (xenial change) | 22:12 |
| neiljerram | armax, Since Barcelona I haven't had quite so much time, but I am trying to keep moving things forward. | 22:12 |
| ihrachys | neiljerram: I think you should update armax on the assessment review about all the changes that happened. otherwise your progress is not visible at all. | 22:13 |
| armax | ihrachys: +1 | 22:13 |
| neiljerram | ihrachys, yes indeed, I am meaning to do that; will do that tonight or tomorrow morning | 22:13 |
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| neiljerram | armax, ihrachys sorry for not getting to that yet | 22:14 |
| armax | neiljerram: no worries, let’s see where you are at, and make a judgement call | 22:14 |
| armax | time *is* running out | 22:15 |
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| armax | johnsom: thanks | 22:15 |
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| neiljerram | armax, understood - I'll get on this right away | 22:15 |
| armax | so let’s hold on networking-calico for now and see if we can nudge in the rest by today/tomorrow | 22:16 |
| amuller | o/ | 22:16 |
| armax | another thing I wanted to bring to the attention of my fellow drivers is the way we are considering to approach to neutron-lib releases | 22:16 |
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| armax | up until now we worked hard to put deprecations in place etc | 22:17 |
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| kevinbenton | Make neutron lib unstable? | 22:18 |
| armax | with the aim of reducing breakages and disruption to subprojects, but that didn’t seem to have worked generally well | 22:18 |
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| ihrachys | kevinbenton: make neutron repo unstable | 22:18 |
| dasm | kevinbenton: too late. it was released as 1.0.0 :P | 22:18 |
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| armax | as we still see occasional breakges when deprecations are removed | 22:18 |
| armax | which begs the question as to why we bother putting deprecations in the codebase in the first place | 22:19 |
| dasm | armax: fyi about deprecations. i've sent a message on ML, but probably no one will read it, tho: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-November/107140.html | 22:19 |
| amuller | did you check how many breakages deprecations did prevent though? | 22:19 |
| armax | I don’t want to ban them altogether, but I suppose we can use them on a case by case basis rather than all over the place | 22:20 |
| armax | amuller: the ones that are prevented are equivalent to breakages that are promptly fixed | 22:20 |
| armax | thanks dasm | 22:21 |
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| ihrachys | I think it's worth noting https://review.openstack.org/#/c/331338/ in this context | 22:22 |
| armax | that said, and as dasm pointed out in his email, I think we should at least make an effort at identifying the potential troublemakers during our team meetings | 22:22 |
| armax | ihrachys: aye | 22:22 |
| armax | for a moment I read I think it’s worth nothing | 22:22 |
| ihrachys | that patch is meant to capture the approach we take for neutron-lib rehoming | 22:22 |
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| armax | ihrachys: I’ll have another pass later today | 22:23 |
| armax | another potential disruption ahead, as johnsom has alluded a bit before is the switch to xenial | 22:24 |
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| armax | we have a deadline to honor | 22:25 |
| kevinbenton | where haven't we switched yet? | 22:25 |
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| amuller | functional, fullstack | 22:25 |
| armax | I’ll try to coordinate with various folks on how to complete the switch to xenial, and I would invite you guys to stay alert and give review priority to any patch that help with the transition | 22:25 |
| amuller | jlibosva, omer are working on it | 22:26 |
| armax | kevinbenton: a few places, ihrachys has started these etherpad | 22:26 |
| armax | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/moving-neutron-jobs-to-xenial | 22:26 |
| ihrachys | not me, ajo, but yeah | 22:26 |
| clarkb | as an outsider looking in it would be great if you could avoid baking in assumptions about the kernel and all that again | 22:26 |
| armax | amuller: I haven’t had a chance to touch base with kuba yet but my suggestion is to give priority to gate jobs | 22:26 |
| ihrachys | it's nice we see patches there; I will give them some love tomorrow. | 22:26 |
| clarkb | just about everything else has just worked becuse it avoids that | 22:26 |
| armax | clarkb: you are everywhere! | 22:27 |
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| ihrachys | I assume kuba is on the hook to drive it? ;) | 22:29 |
| armax | one more thing I have on my agenda is an announcement in relation to the PTG | 22:29 |
| kevinbenton | clarkb: which kernel assumptions caused issues? | 22:29 |
| armax | when asked I proposed we take 3 days allocated for Neutron | 22:30 |
| clarkb | kevinbenton: the version of OVS being built couldn't build against a old but newer than trusty kernel | 22:30 |
| armax | which under the current arrangement happen to be Wed-Fri | 22:30 |
| clarkb | I think 4.3 or something was the newest it could build against | 22:30 |
| amuller | kevinbenton: A good place to start would be to run check experimental and looking at the failure list of the functional job, and https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/moving-neutron-jobs-to-xenial | 22:30 |
| ihrachys | armax: are cross project sessions before our days? | 22:30 |
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| armax | ihrachys: yes | 22:30 |
| ihrachys | good | 22:30 |
| armax | so, my general question is: do we want to have officially 2 days or 3 days? If we shoot for 3 there’s a chance that people stay 2 days fully | 22:31 |
| amuller | Last mid cycle was 3, no? | 22:32 |
| ihrachys | the last midcycle with 3 days was fine | 22:32 |
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| armax | ok | 22:36 |
| armax | I have nothing else on my agenda | 22:36 |
| armax | anyone wants to raise any topic for discussion? | 22:36 |
| carl_baldwin | Not me | 22:37 |
| HenryG | nope | 22:37 |
| clarkb | not sure if this i sthe right venue | 22:37 |
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| clarkb | but nova net is no longer default in devstack gate as of a couple hours ago | 22:38 |
| clarkb | so you may see new random neutron things not working or it might all just work fine :) | 22:38 |
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| armax | clarkb: I am on the lookout in case something goes south | 22:38 |
| amuller | clarkb: Thanks for alerting | 22:38 |
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| armax | ok | 22:39 |
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| dasm | can i just mention neverending story: feature classification? it's really, really low priority, but would be good to have it merged. i think it's already done. | 22:39 |
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| armax | dasm: I would at least like a chance to review, I am guilty for not having done that so far | 22:39 |
| armax | but it’s on my radar | 22:40 |
| dasm | armax: ack | 22:40 |
| dasm | thanks | 22:40 |
| armax | if only things would work the way they should I’d have more spare time on my hands ;) | 22:40 |
| dasm | armax: cloning could help, but i'm not sure if anyone invented it already | 22:41 |
| armax | I did want to have a look at it this week but I got preempted in reviewing tricircle application to the big tent | 22:41 |
| armax | if anyone is interested: | 22:41 |
| armax | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/338796/ | 22:41 |
| armax | and on that note | 22:42 |
| armax | have a good one folks | 22:42 |
| armax | #endmeeting | 22:42 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Nov 10 22:42:15 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:42 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2016/neutron_drivers.2016-11-10-22.04.html | 22:42 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2016/neutron_drivers.2016-11-10-22.04.txt | 22:42 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2016/neutron_drivers.2016-11-10-22.04.log.html | 22:42 |
| ihrachys | ciao | 22:42 |
| dasm | o/ | 22:42 |
| amuller | tata | 22:42 |
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