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| astarove | hi all | 14:00 |
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| andreykurilin | hi | 14:01 |
| andreykurilin | #startmeeting Rally | 14:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Mon Nov 7 14:01:48 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is andreykurilin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'rally' | 14:01 |
| andreykurilin | o/ | 14:01 |
| chenhb_ | hi | 14:03 |
| astarove | hi | 14:03 |
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| andreykurilin | #topic [andreykurilin] updates from summit | 14:04 |
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| andreykurilin | while I was as summit, I heard several negative comments about communications and involvement in Rally | 14:05 |
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| andreykurilin | mirantis inner discussions are invisible for community and community doesn't know anything about in-progress stuff | 14:05 |
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| andreykurilin | so first of all, we need to increase our visability | 14:05 |
| andreykurilin | move all discussions to official channel | 14:06 |
| andreykurilin | here is a sub-topic : irc vs slack | 14:06 |
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| andreykurilin | #topic IRC vs Slack | 14:06 |
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| andreykurilin | it is a hard topic | 14:06 |
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| andreykurilin | OpenStack governence forces to use IRC | 14:07 |
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| andreykurilin | BUT, if most of our contributors would like to switch to slack, we can try to do it | 14:07 |
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| andreykurilin | What do you think about this? | 14:07 |
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| andreykurilin | Who is for IRC and who is for Slack? | 14:07 |
| amaretskiy | afaik participation in slack channel requires invitation | 14:08 |
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| amaretskiy | i like slack a lot | 14:08 |
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| andreykurilin | hi stpierre | 14:08 |
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| stpierre | hey | 14:09 |
| andreykurilin | amaretskiy: yes, but I found openstack-community team, which can be used, possibly for many projects and all folks will be there soon:) | 14:10 |
| astarove | we need something w/o authorization | 14:10 |
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| amaretskiy | minuses of slack: 1) does not fit OpenStack gov requirements 2) participators must sign-up in slack 3) invitation is required ( not sure ) | 14:10 |
| andreykurilin | stpierre: are you familiar with slack? we are discussing the best tool for communication process :) | 14:10 |
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| amaretskiy | pluses of slack: its cool in all aspects | 14:10 |
| andreykurilin | amaretskiy: 1) we can try to discuss it with governence team. | 14:11 |
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| astarove | plus of slack: easy to setup voice call | 14:11 |
| andreykurilin | astarove: yep, we can switch to voice meeting in future | 14:12 |
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| andreykurilin | ok, it looks like no enough opinions/voices from our community :( | 14:13 |
| amaretskiy | voice calls is not a point for community | 14:13 |
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| andreykurilin | amaretskiy: kubernetes community has voice meetings | 14:13 |
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| andreykurilin | not sure that we need it know, but it is cool feature) | 14:14 |
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| astudenov | invitation is not required if slack is public. everyone can sign in. | 14:14 |
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| amaretskiy | it's would be great to use slack | 14:15 |
| stpierre | andreykurilin: yeah, and as long as the IRC gateway is enabled I don't hate it :) | 14:15 |
| andreykurilin | heh | 14:15 |
| andreykurilin | so you like IRC more | 14:15 |
| amaretskiy | if this does not make troubles | 14:15 |
| astarove | as i remember, the public version of slack has some limitations on history, isn't? | 14:15 |
| stpierre | yeah, i'm old and cranky. I like IRC. | 14:15 |
| andreykurilin | lol | 14:15 |
| andreykurilin | astarove: yes. you can search only last 10k messages | 14:16 |
| andreykurilin | but you still can download whole history and use another service for searching in it:) | 14:16 |
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| andreykurilin | several days ago I saw a post with examples for doing it :) | 14:16 |
| andreykurilin | ok, I'll send an email and will make a final decision next meeting | 14:17 |
| andreykurilin | #topic task board | 14:17 |
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| andreykurilin | 1) it is hard to find "easy" tasks for newcomes | 14:17 |
| andreykurilin | 2) launchpad su*ks == is not user-friednly for any kind of tasks | 14:18 |
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| andreykurilin | 3) it would be nice to show all in-progress things | 14:19 |
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| andreykurilin | 4) it would be nice to show some-where release-blockers | 14:19 |
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| andreykurilin | to fix all these points, I think we need to return to use some kind of task tracker | 14:19 |
| andreykurilin | it can be trello board(we used it some time ago) or openstack story board (own wheel. the same as trello) | 14:20 |
| andreykurilin | or bitbucker issue tracker | 14:20 |
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| andreykurilin | each of these 3 trackers is good enough. | 14:21 |
| andreykurilin | trello and bitbucker are well known tools, so it will be easier to use them for new comes from outside of OpenStack | 14:21 |
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| andreykurilin | openstack story board - I heard at Summit that openstack story board will replace launchpad in future | 14:22 |
| andreykurilin | I do not when this plan will happen | 14:22 |
| andreykurilin | So what do you prefer? folks? | 14:22 |
| andreykurilin | trello sounds ok for me... | 14:23 |
| amaretskiy | i like all. doubts | 14:23 |
| astarove | I have experience with Trello board, so +1 for Trello | 14:23 |
| astudenov | +1 for trello | 14:23 |
| amaretskiy | let it be +1 to trello | 14:23 |
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| andreykurilin | chenhb_ ? | 14:23 |
| andreykurilin | stpierre: Do you like launchpad as much as IRC?) lol | 14:24 |
| stpierre | i can see the value of using openstack story board, but otoh it doesn't seem like it's gotten much traction with other projects | 14:24 |
| stpierre | heh, no | 14:24 |
| stpierre | i'm fine with trello, but we should be open to switching to story board if it becomes more standard use | 14:24 |
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| andreykurilin | stpierre: I'm ok about story board, but in case of big task "rally for testing everything" which can be finished in several months, it would be nice to use broad things :) | 14:25 |
| chenhb_ | I am not sure | 14:25 |
| andreykurilin | stpierre: but, again, I do not know when we finish that big task:) | 14:26 |
| andreykurilin | so it looks like we have votes for trello and storyboard | 14:26 |
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| amaretskiy | important point: board of choice must have mobile application | 14:27 |
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| amaretskiy | trello must have one | 14:28 |
| andreykurilin | it has:) | 14:28 |
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| amaretskiy | #vote trello +2 | 14:28 |
| andreykurilin | ok, let's return to trello board(I'll create new one and post align link to our channel) and move to storyboard if we will need to do it:) | 14:29 |
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| andreykurilin | let's move to the next topic | 14:29 |
| andreykurilin | #topic [andreykurilin] rally plugins versioning | 14:29 |
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| andreykurilin | it is my topic, again:) | 14:30 |
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| andreykurilin | basically, some of scenarios have updates each half year | 14:31 |
| andreykurilin | so results of old scenario and new one can be different on similar system | 14:31 |
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| andreykurilin | What about adding new metavar - version to plugins, and keep some notes at plugin docstings | 14:32 |
| andreykurilin | like | 14:32 |
| andreykurilin | 1.0 - basic plugin | 14:32 |
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| andreykurilin | 1.1 - switch to use keystone v3 | 14:32 |
| andreykurilin | 1.2 - add bla bla bla | 14:33 |
| andreykurilin | ) | 14:33 |
| andreykurilin | Ideas? | 14:33 |
| amaretskiy | as far as I understand this closer to "history" | 14:34 |
| astudenov | is it just for notes? or there should be some compatibility checks based on versions? | 14:34 |
| amaretskiy | or "versions", "changelog" | 14:34 |
| astarove | no, it's closer to supported features | 14:34 |
| andreykurilin | I think it relates to all of these things :) | 14:35 |
| amaretskiy | so changelog is stored in docstring in some format, right ? | 14:35 |
| andreykurilin | yes | 14:36 |
| andreykurilin | + additional var here -> @configure(name="some", version="asd") | 14:36 |
| amaretskiy | syntax is expected to be validated? | 14:36 |
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| andreykurilin | @amaretskiy: yes. maybe it is better to store changelog at separate class variable like __changelog__ = "" | 14:37 |
| andreykurilin | it will add ability to parse it separately | 14:37 |
| amaretskiy | this feature looks reasonable to me | 14:37 |
| andreykurilin | also, we can align such version to testing system | 14:38 |
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| amaretskiy | __changelog__ = ["latest version - blah blah...", "pre-latest version - ...", ...] | 14:38 |
| andreykurilin | for example one scenario can have several versions for "openstack/newton", "openstack/ocata" and etc | 14:38 |
| andreykurilin | ok, I'll add this to trello board, maybe we will find somebody who want to implement this feature:) | 14:39 |
| andreykurilin | #topic [andreykurilin] backward incompatible change in Rally Verification component | 14:40 |
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| andreykurilin | I have totally backward incompatible change for Verification component | 14:40 |
| andreykurilin | it is PoC | 14:40 |
| andreykurilin | but you can already try it | 14:40 |
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| andreykurilin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/372334/23 | 14:40 |
| andreykurilin | it is an implementation for https://github.com/openstack/rally/blob/master/doc/specs/in-progress/verification_refactoring.rst | 14:40 |
| amaretskiy | verification have been asking for great update for a long time :) | 14:41 |
| andreykurilin | yes | 14:41 |
| andreykurilin | so the question is next - how we should process such backward incompatible changes? | 14:41 |
| ylobankov | andreykurilin: I have free time to continue this work | 14:41 |
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| andreykurilin | Here I see two options: 1) do it without backward compatibility and make pain for users while upgrading to latest rally release | 14:42 |
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| ylobankov | I think users should just use olteder rally version | 14:42 |
| andreykurilin | 2) create separate command `rally verify_new` which will work in parallel with old behaviour | 14:42 |
| andreykurilin | the second choice is a pain for developers and code-maintainers :) | 14:43 |
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| ylobankov | the second version sounds interesting as well :) | 14:43 |
| amaretskiy | "2)" looks nice to me | 14:43 |
| andreykurilin | ;( | 14:43 |
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| ylobankov | option* | 14:43 |
| andreykurilin | f*ck | 14:43 |
| andreykurilin | why I noted it? | 14:43 |
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| andreykurilin | ok, ylobankov, as you said you have free time now | 14:44 |
| andreykurilin | lol | 14:44 |
| amaretskiy | there is a "3)" | 14:44 |
| amaretskiy | 3) remove rally verify stuff but keep this command saying "use rally verify_new" :) with detailed instructions | 14:44 |
| andreykurilin | lol | 14:44 |
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| ylobankov | andreykurilin: qa guys need the new version of verify by the end of this year | 14:44 |
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| andreykurilin | so let's use 1) since it is easiest way and we already have several incompatible changes in reports:) | 14:45 |
| andreykurilin | and, again, I'll send an email to warn our community) | 14:46 |
| andreykurilin | #topic [andreykurilin] blockers for 0.8.0 release aka planning | 14:46 |
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| amaretskiy | ok, even with pain of "1)" this would be a great step forward | 14:46 |
| andreykurilin | :) | 14:46 |
| andreykurilin | as I said before, we already have one backward incompatible changes with verify reports | 14:47 |
| andreykurilin | so let's try to finish verification stuff at this release | 14:47 |
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| ylobankov | andreykurilin, amaretskiy: anyway users can use the old version of verify and will be able to adopt theit stuff for the new version | 14:47 |
| andreykurilin | sure | 14:47 |
| andreykurilin | also, I want to see atomic refactoring at this release | 14:47 |
| andreykurilin | and we merged recently base for openstack services (refactoring of wrappers and utils) | 14:48 |
| andreykurilin | so It would be nice to finish KeystoneService and make all scenarios support Keystone V3 | 14:49 |
| andreykurilin | Anything else? | 14:49 |
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| rvasilets___ | HI) | 14:50 |
| andreykurilin | stpierre: Will you have time to revise your cleanup-work and finish it in near future? or at least revise it and add tasks to finish at our trello board | 14:50 |
| andreykurilin | rvasilets__: you just in time:) | 14:50 |
| stpierre | that latter one, yes definitely | 14:51 |
| andreykurilin | nice | 14:51 |
| andreykurilin | stpierre: and moew reviews plz :) | 14:51 |
| andreykurilin | *more | 14:51 |
| andreykurilin | ok, move to the next topic | 14:51 |
| andreykurilin | # topic [rvasilets] What does an atomic action should return? | 14:51 |
| andreykurilin | #topic [rvasilets] What does an atomic action should return? | 14:52 |
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| andreykurilin | What do you mean?) | 14:52 |
| ylobankov | rvasilets___: hi :) | 14:52 |
| andreykurilin | db format ? | 14:52 |
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| rvasilets___ | No) | 14:52 |
| rvasilets___ | typing | 14:52 |
| rvasilets___ | Lets look at 412 line https://review.openstack.org/#/c/388617/6/rally/plugins/openstack/scenarios/cinder/utils.py | 14:53 |
| rvasilets___ | As I member we was agreed that simple atomics like that should return the same as client function. Did something changed? | 14:54 |
| amaretskiy | this is not about atomic action | 14:54 |
| rvasilets___ | Alex suggested to return bool, but this is not what the client return | 14:55 |
| amaretskiy | atomics save timing metrics | 14:55 |
| amaretskiy | this is abotu specific utility method | 14:55 |
| amaretskiy | *about | 14:55 |
| rvasilets___ | So I want to know common approach, to use it it in other patches | 14:55 |
| andreykurilin | in case of delete, I thing we should call wait_for method and ensure that delete was successful | 14:56 |
| amaretskiy | i guess this question is about "what typical delete_smth() shoudl return?" | 14:56 |
| rvasilets___ | not only delete | 14:56 |
| rvasilets___ | any atomic | 14:56 |
| amaretskiy | bool result of deletion or some detailed structure | 14:56 |
| rvasilets___ | is it good to change return value? | 14:57 |
| andreykurilin | it should return whatever he want, but it should be documented:) | 14:57 |
| amaretskiy | atomic is not related to return value of this method, i think | 14:57 |
| rvasilets___ | do we need just to pass what was return from the client or we could wrap it as we want? | 14:57 |
| amaretskiy | atomic data is saved separately | 14:57 |
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| andreykurilin | rvasilets__: the second choice - as we want | 14:58 |
| amaretskiy | #vote for "as we want" | 14:58 |
| andreykurilin | base of concept of Rally - make things as much as possible user-friendly | 14:58 |
| rvasilets___ | andreykurilin: Okey, thx. I just thought that used will expect to get the same as client return from atomic | 14:58 |
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| andreykurilin | so if wrapping is makes things simplier - it is ok | 14:59 |
| andreykurilin | ok, guys, we have one more topic from amaretkiy | 14:59 |
| andreykurilin | but we have not enough time | 14:59 |
| andreykurilin | let's move to #openstack-rally channel | 14:59 |
| amaretskiy | small topic about flat menu in report | 14:59 |
| amaretskiy | ok | 14:59 |
| andreykurilin | and discuss last topic | 14:59 |
| andreykurilin | #endmeeting | 14:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Nov 7 14:59:56 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2016/rally.2016-11-07-14.01.html | 14:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2016/rally.2016-11-07-14.01.txt | 14:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2016/rally.2016-11-07-14.01.log.html | 15:00 |
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| rakhmerov | #startmeeting Mistral | 16:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Nov 7 16:01:06 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rakhmerov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Mistral)" | 16:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'mistral' | 16:01 |
| rakhmerov | hi | 16:01 |
| d0ugal | Hey! | 16:01 |
| rakhmerov | name yourself :) | 16:01 |
| rakhmerov | yep, hi ) | 16:01 |
| rakhmerov | d0ugal: it'll be cool to have just us two ) | 16:02 |
| trinaths | hi | 16:02 |
| rakhmerov | trinaths: hi | 16:02 |
| d0ugal | rakhmerov: but more people is better | 16:03 |
| d0ugal | I think rbrady is around | 16:03 |
| rakhmerov | yes | 16:03 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:03 |
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| rbrady | o/ | 16:03 |
| rakhmerov | anyway, let's start | 16:03 |
| d0ugal | sure | 16:03 |
| rakhmerov | rbrady: hi Ryan, how have you been? | 16:03 |
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| rbrady | hey! doing well. glad to have moved from newton to ocata :) | 16:04 |
| rakhmerov | yeah | 16:04 |
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| rakhmerov | ok, I assume we have no actions itmes | 16:04 |
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| d0ugal | I would like to discuss the custom actions spec at some point, but any time is fine. | 16:05 |
| rakhmerov | yeah, sure | 16:06 |
| rakhmerov | #topic Current status (progress, issues, roadblocks, further plans) | 16:06 |
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| rakhmerov | my status: doing house keeping in our Launchpad project, reviewing a bunch of patches, sorting out all the notes after the summit | 16:07 |
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| rakhmerov | going to implement a couple of small blueprints within the next week | 16:08 |
| rakhmerov | if you have any updates please share | 16:08 |
| d0ugal | I have done a bunch of Mistral reviews, but otherwise I have been working on TripleO Newton bugs and backports. | 16:08 |
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| rakhmerov | ok | 16:08 |
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| d0ugal | I do hope and plan to have more time for Mistral itself soon. | 16:08 |
| rakhmerov | d0ugal: I hope too ) | 16:09 |
| rakhmerov | ok, if nobody else has updates we can go on | 16:10 |
| rakhmerov | rbrady: maybe something from your side? | 16:10 |
| rbrady | I haven't had much time for mistral in the last part of the newton cycle | 16:10 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:10 |
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| ddeja | o/ Sorry for being late | 16:11 |
| rakhmerov | d0ugal: did have a chance to look at the time slots? | 16:11 |
| rakhmerov | ddeja: heey, glad you're here | 16:11 |
| rakhmerov | welcome | 16:11 |
| d0ugal | rakhmerov: Yeah, so I am writing the email to openstack-dev now | 16:11 |
| d0ugal | ddeja: Hey | 16:11 |
| rakhmerov | d0ugal: cool, looking forward | 16:11 |
| rakhmerov | we need to solve this issue | 16:11 |
| rakhmerov | ddeja: Dawid, any updates from you? | 16:12 |
| d0ugal | rakhmerov: I was just going to do something like this: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mistral-meeting-time | 16:12 |
| d0ugal | Ideas are welcome :) | 16:12 |
| rakhmerov | yes, great | 16:12 |
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| ddeja | not much. Last week some reviews, probably would be the same this week. I'm watitng for reviews on the workflow-precondition spec :) | 16:12 |
| ddeja | so I can move this work forward | 16:12 |
| d0ugal | ddeja: we did discuss that a bit at summit, I am not sure if we have good notes from the discussion or not :/ | 16:13 |
| d0ugal | I can maybe try and write on the spec everything I remember. | 16:14 |
| rakhmerov | d0ugal: yes, please do | 16:14 |
| rakhmerov | ddeja: the outcome is that many people didn't really like the idea itself | 16:14 |
| rakhmerov | although I don't quite agree personally | 16:14 |
| d0ugal | Yeah, I don't think I fully understood why they didn't like it | 16:15 |
| rakhmerov | ddeja: the reasoning they provide is that it should not be a burden of Mistral | 16:15 |
| ddeja | rakhmerov: yes, Roman told me | 16:15 |
| d0ugal | right | 16:15 |
| rakhmerov | ddeja: but I'm going to review it anyway and move this forward | 16:15 |
| rakhmerov | I really believe that some things should be in Mistral | 16:15 |
| rakhmerov | maybe not all you're proposing but some | 16:15 |
| ddeja | ok, thanks. I'd like to get +2 or -2 on this eventually :) | 16:16 |
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| rakhmerov | because | 16:16 |
| rakhmerov | 1) it may be not easy to implement them in the upper level system (that uses Mistral) and people have to do a lot of coding themselves | 16:16 |
| rakhmerov | 2) some of those things may be nearly impossible to implement outside of Mistral (atomicity, concurrency etc.) | 16:17 |
| rakhmerov | ddeja: yes, we'll take care of it | 16:17 |
| ddeja | ok, thanks :) | 16:18 |
| rakhmerov | ddeja, d0ugal: btw, an interesting notice that mostly StackStorm folks were against it | 16:18 |
| rakhmerov | :) | 16:18 |
| rakhmerov | and I know why | 16:18 |
| d0ugal | rakhmerov: oh, do they do something similar? | 16:18 |
| rakhmerov | because it's their bread and butter | 16:18 |
| d0ugal | hah | 16:18 |
| rakhmerov | yes | 16:18 |
| ddeja | oh | 16:18 |
| d0ugal | so, can we just copy it in? :P | 16:18 |
| rakhmerov | they sometimes call themselves "before" and "after" Mistral | 16:18 |
| rakhmerov | d0ugal: that's the whole point :) | 16:18 |
| rakhmerov | do you think they want to? :) | 16:19 |
| d0ugal | Good question. | 16:19 |
| rakhmerov | well, it maybe just one side of it | 16:19 |
| rakhmerov | political/business side | 16:19 |
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| ddeja | well if there is something that can be used to provide such functionality, it may be ok to use it | 16:19 |
| rakhmerov | technically, Dmitri is always for good decomposition | 16:19 |
| ddeja | but I'm not related with their product, is it opensource also? | 16:20 |
| d0ugal | ddeja: Yeah | 16:20 |
| rakhmerov | yeah, in such cases we usually have different opinions with them | 16:20 |
| rakhmerov | I mean me and them | 16:20 |
| d0ugal | ddeja: https://github.com/StackStorm | 16:20 |
| ddeja | d0ugal: thanks | 16:20 |
| rakhmerov | because I want Mistral to be useful and successful also w/o StackStorm | 16:20 |
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| d0ugal | ddeja: (I have no experience with it, I have just looked at a little of the code) | 16:20 |
| d0ugal | rakhmerov: indeed, we need to think about Mistral primarily | 16:21 |
| ddeja | (offtop - Stackstorm uses mistral and Netflix runs on stackstorm so we are basically make Netflix works? Awesome!) | 16:21 |
| rakhmerov | by the way, we can look at how StackStorm implements their actions | 16:21 |
| rakhmerov | they had to do a similar thing to our Custom Actions API | 16:21 |
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| ddeja | rakhmerov: mistral is useful, in triple0 for example | 16:22 |
| rakhmerov | ddeja: as far as I know, Netflix specifically doesn't use Mistral yet (StackStorm can work w/o workflows also for some use cases) | 16:22 |
| rakhmerov | but what I know is that folks from Netflix really like Mistral provides | 16:22 |
| rakhmerov | language, capabilities | 16:22 |
| rakhmerov | they are just not sure if it's stable enough etc. | 16:23 |
| rakhmerov | so they are waiting | 16:23 |
| rakhmerov | kind of | 16:23 |
| ddeja | oh, that's cool | 16:23 |
| d0ugal | If they start to contribute that'd be nice :) | 16:23 |
| ddeja | that would be nice to tell my wife while launching next movie 'see, I did it!' ;) | 16:23 |
| d0ugal | lol | 16:24 |
| rakhmerov | yeah, it's a kind of a side note but I'd like to repeat again: I think the #1 thing is to make Mistral really stable, reliable and useable | 16:24 |
| rakhmerov | lots of people will come and start using it | 16:24 |
| rakhmerov | I just know it | 16:24 |
| ddeja | yes | 16:24 |
| rakhmerov | I talked to so many people about it | 16:24 |
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| rakhmerov | ddeja: haha :)) yeah | 16:24 |
| rakhmerov | and we can make it happen! absolutely | 16:24 |
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| rakhmerov | ok, let's go back to our stuff | 16:25 |
| ddeja | sure | 16:25 |
| rakhmerov | #topic Summit summary | 16:25 |
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| rakhmerov | well, on this one | 16:26 |
| rakhmerov | I just wanted to provide some comments on the summit | 16:26 |
| rakhmerov | these are the notes from our design sessions: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mistral-barcelona-summit-topics-2016 | 16:26 |
| rakhmerov | I'm now sorting them out in order to file all necessary blueprints | 16:27 |
| rakhmerov | d0ugal: I won't take much time talking about it so that we can discuss actions | 16:27 |
| d0ugal | Sure. | 16:27 |
| rakhmerov | so, the biggest thigns we need to fix: | 16:28 |
| rakhmerov | * HA (doesn't work if we use 'join' tasks) | 16:28 |
| rakhmerov | * broken 'concurrency' property | 16:28 |
| rakhmerov | * Documentation (a lot of work but people have hard time with it, it's been proven) | 16:29 |
| rakhmerov | * Actions | 16:29 |
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| rakhmerov | by the last one I mean exactly Custom Actions API and how we integrate/install them | 16:29 |
| rakhmerov | it's a big thing | 16:29 |
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| rakhmerov | it's also about how we implement OpenStack actions and maintain and test them automatically | 16:30 |
| rakhmerov | because huge number of people (believe me) start getting familiar with Mistral exactly with launching some workflows that use OpenStack actions | 16:30 |
| rakhmerov | and they often simply don't work | 16:30 |
| rakhmerov | because they go out of sync with APIs | 16:31 |
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| rakhmerov | or some of them have been out of sync since almost the very beginning | 16:31 |
| rakhmerov | we don't know because we don't have good function tests for them | 16:31 |
| rakhmerov | so I see these items as the most important ones | 16:32 |
| rakhmerov | HA and 'concurrency' are probably on me, at least HA as it was before my summer refactorings | 16:32 |
| rakhmerov | overall, the summit for Mistral was quite good | 16:33 |
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| d0ugal | +1 | 16:33 |
| rakhmerov | I really didn't have time to attend presentations within the first 3 days because I was talking to various people about Mistral all the time | 16:33 |
| d0ugal | I found it very useful | 16:33 |
| rakhmerov | yeah | 16:33 |
| rakhmerov | btw, Tacker project is also going to use Mistral | 16:34 |
| rakhmerov | for NFV orchestration (kind of what we're doing in CloudBand) | 16:34 |
| d0ugal | I think the actions (openstack and custom) are probably of most interest to me | 16:34 |
| rakhmerov | yes | 16:34 |
| rbrady | me too | 16:34 |
| rakhmerov | so that's all that I wanted to share | 16:34 |
| d0ugal | because we do use both, and will do so more over time :) | 16:34 |
| rakhmerov | #topic Open Discussion | 16:34 |
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| rakhmerov | d0ugal: let's discuss them | 16:34 |
| d0ugal | Okay! | 16:35 |
| d0ugal | So, at summit this came up, but I think it had been months since any of us had really looked at it, so we didn't get far | 16:35 |
| rakhmerov | I have to admit that I may have forgotten some of the details that we discussed before | 16:35 |
| d0ugal | Yeah, I think I am in a similar situation | 16:35 |
| rakhmerov | yeah | 16:35 |
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| rakhmerov | that's fine | 16:35 |
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| d0ugal | What I really want to is start moving the spec forward again, it stalled before. | 16:35 |
| rakhmerov | just repeating: I think it makes huge sense to look at StackStorm's actions | 16:36 |
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| d0ugal | Agreed, that would be a good idea. | 16:36 |
| d0ugal | and it would make sense for us to be compatible with their actions - something that interested them I think. | 16:36 |
| d0ugal | but I am not sure that is a requirement for the first pass of this | 16:36 |
| rakhmerov | yeah, and I think we may want to throw some of the things away from the spec | 16:36 |
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| d0ugal | Yup | 16:36 |
| rakhmerov | like reusing existing actions within new ones | 16:36 |
| d0ugal | I think we probably need to revisit the spec, go through it again and submit a changed for review and go from there. | 16:37 |
| d0ugal | rakhmerov: Yeah, I got really confused by that bit :) | 16:37 |
| d0ugal | rbrady: Do we have a need to call existing actions from within an action? | 16:37 |
| rakhmerov | d0ugal: we will need to talk to them more specifically about APIs etc after we research what they have | 16:37 |
| d0ugal | Yup | 16:37 |
| rakhmerov | yes | 16:37 |
| rbrady | d0ugal: we do in many places right now | 16:37 |
| d0ugal | rakhmerov: for example? | 16:38 |
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| d0ugal | rbrady: we use other openstack clients, but we don't call mistral actions, do we? | 16:38 |
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| rakhmerov | d0ugal: what I mean is that after we revisit their implementation and ideas we will know more about what to discuss with them | 16:39 |
| rbrady | d0ugal: ahh, now I understand - we don't call mistral actions from our actions | 16:39 |
| rakhmerov | and how to make our actions compatible | 16:39 |
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| d0ugal | rbrady: okay, cool :) | 16:39 |
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| rakhmerov | d0ugal: so what you do is just calling OpenStack clients? | 16:40 |
| rakhmerov | not actions? | 16:40 |
| rakhmerov | I just want to confirm | 16:40 |
| d0ugal | rakhmerov: correct | 16:40 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:40 |
| d0ugal | rakhmerov: The strange situation we have is that we have two different clients - i.e. we create an ironic client in our actions and mistral creates an ironic client in the openstack actions | 16:41 |
| rakhmerov | d0ugal: did you understand their reasoning against this feature? | 16:41 |
| rakhmerov | d0ugal: yeah, it is strange | 16:41 |
| rakhmerov | I agree | 16:41 |
| d0ugal | rakhmerov: The reasoning against calling openstack clients? | 16:41 |
| rakhmerov | I think we can solve it | 16:41 |
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| rakhmerov | d0ugal: no, remember Winson and Dmitri (mostly Winson) said that they are against of calling existing actions from other actions because this is dangerous | 16:42 |
| d0ugal | rakhmerov: Yeah, I think I understand. | 16:42 |
| rakhmerov | but why dangerous, I didn't quite understand honestly | 16:42 |
| d0ugal | I don't know why it is dangerous. | 16:42 |
| rakhmerov | d0ugal: ok, can you try to explain? | 16:42 |
| rakhmerov | :) | 16:42 |
| d0ugal | but I think it is wrong because it breaks the workflow model | 16:42 |
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| rakhmerov | hm.. why? | 16:43 |
| d0ugal | workflows are a series of tasks, but we have tasks calling other tasks we hide that | 16:43 |
| d0ugal | so from the outside it only looks like one task, but really it is more | 16:43 |
| rakhmerov | well, my understanding of that is slightly different | 16:43 |
| d0ugal | oh :) | 16:43 |
| rakhmerov | so | 16:43 |
| d0ugal | but to be clear, we don't want to do this, and I don't know anyone that does, so it doesn't matter all that much if we don't fully understand :) | 16:44 |
| rakhmerov | to me: action is equivalent to function | 16:44 |
| rakhmerov | yes, sure | 16:44 |
| rakhmerov | so action is simply a function | 16:44 |
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| d0ugal | (it would be nice if actions could just be functions and not classes, but that is another subject! :) ) | 16:44 |
| rakhmerov | it doesn't do anything with with workflow context data or other stuff that determines how workflow is proceeding (policies, routes etc.) | 16:45 |
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| rakhmerov | d0ugal: yeah, I mean semantically | 16:45 |
| rakhmerov | action is a function | 16:45 |
| rakhmerov | not speaking about how they are represented in code | 16:45 |
| d0ugal | Sure | 16:45 |
| rakhmerov | so | 16:46 |
| rakhmerov | from that perspective I don't really understand how it is harmful if one function can call another function | 16:46 |
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| rakhmerov | could you be just using existing Mistral actions when implementing new ones? | 16:46 |
| rakhmerov | instead of OpenStack clients | 16:46 |
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| rakhmerov | to me it simply sounds like having an ability to do composition | 16:47 |
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| d0ugal | rakhmerov: sometimes, maybe. However, sometimes we are calling python functions that expect full clients to be passed in | 16:47 |
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| rakhmerov | so that we can compose complex actions out of more primitive | 16:47 |
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| d0ugal | Yeah | 16:47 |
| rakhmerov | d0ugal: why is that? | 16:47 |
| ddeja | rakhmerov: it is dangerous on the implementation level | 16:48 |
| rakhmerov | why do these functions require full clients? | 16:48 |
| rakhmerov | ddeja: why? | 16:48 |
| ddeja | since we would be calling the engine from the executor | 16:48 |
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| ddeja | and if we do it again and again and again | 16:48 |
| d0ugal | rakhmerov: just because they are legacy code that use the openstack clients and do many things with them | 16:48 |
| ddeja | we can end up with no more free threads = a dead lock | 16:48 |
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| d0ugal | rakhmerov: we could re-write that code to call many mistral actions, but I guess it will get slow. | 16:48 |
| rakhmerov | d0ugal: ok, I see | 16:48 |
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| rakhmerov | ddeja: yes, accepted, this is a concern | 16:49 |
| rakhmerov | although maybe it is solvable | 16:49 |
| d0ugal | rakhmerov: and re-writing them like that would take quite a bit of effort, so I think that we would be better breaking this code up slowly overtime into workflows. | 16:49 |
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| rakhmerov | ok | 16:49 |
| rakhmerov | hm.. ok | 16:49 |
| rakhmerov | d0ugal: what else on that do we need to discuss now? | 16:50 |
| rakhmerov | 9 mins left | 16:50 |
| d0ugal | Yeah, lets put that bit aside for now | 16:50 |
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| rakhmerov | you mean reusing existing actions? | 16:51 |
| rakhmerov | yes | 16:51 |
| d0ugal | Yeah :0 | 16:51 |
| d0ugal | :) | 16:51 |
| d0ugal | for action items... | 16:51 |
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| d0ugal | I'd like to try and do an update to the spec with rbrady - see if we can simplify it and find a way for us to move forward. | 16:51 |
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| rakhmerov | #action rakhmerov, rbrady, d0ugal: look at the StackStorm's implementation of actions to get more ideas and understanding of how it should be done | 16:52 |
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| d0ugal | that is also a good idea :) | 16:52 |
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| rakhmerov | d0ugal, rbrady: update the Custom Actions API spec | 16:52 |
| rbrady | ack | 16:52 |
| rakhmerov | I can actually help with this too | 16:52 |
| d0ugal | Did you mean to add #action for that second one? | 16:52 |
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| rakhmerov | yes! | 16:53 |
| rakhmerov | #action d0ugal, rbrady: update the Custom Actions API spec | 16:53 |
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| d0ugal | I will try and start doing this at the start of next week. I don't think I will have time this week. | 16:53 |
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| rakhmerov | ok, np | 16:53 |
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| d0ugal | but I shall try | 16:53 |
| d0ugal | That is all I have :) | 16:53 |
| rakhmerov | d0ugal, rbrady: summaries the challenges we have with the current approach (decomposition into different repos etc.) | 16:54 |
| rakhmerov | yes | 16:54 |
| rakhmerov | ooh, shoot... | 16:54 |
| rakhmerov | again | 16:54 |
| d0ugal | :) | 16:54 |
| rakhmerov | #action d0ugal, rbrady: summarize the challenges we have with the current approach (decomposition into different repos etc.) | 16:54 |
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| rakhmerov | d0ugal: I actually believe that some diagram would help us all a lot | 16:55 |
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| d0ugal | Yup, good idea. | 16:55 |
| rakhmerov | that explains the whole idea of how our repos and modules should be decomposed | 16:55 |
| rakhmerov | yep, ok | 16:55 |
| rakhmerov | I don't have anything else for now too | 16:55 |
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| rakhmerov | just FYI: we keep testing Mistral in various use cases in CloudBand and keep finding some reliability bugs but less and less | 16:56 |
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| rakhmerov | which is a good thing | 16:56 |
| d0ugal | Great | 16:56 |
| rakhmerov | in that regard I believe our new RPC will also help | 16:57 |
| rakhmerov | once we start using it actively | 16:57 |
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| rakhmerov | ok, anything else guys? | 16:57 |
| rbrady | nothing from me at this time | 16:57 |
| ddeja | nothing from my side | 16:58 |
| d0ugal | Not from me, thanks | 16:58 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:58 |
| rakhmerov | bye | 16:58 |
| rakhmerov | thanks for coming | 16:58 |
| ddeja | bye, thanks :) | 16:58 |
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| * rakhmerov hoping to fix time slot issue so that we have more people | 16:59 | |
| rakhmerov | :) | 16:59 |
| rakhmerov | #endmeeting | 16:59 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2016/mistral.2016-11-07-16.01.txt | 16:59 |
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| Patifa | hello everyone, time to start the AppEcoWG meeting | 22:00 |
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| Patifa | #startmeeting app_ecosystem_wg | 22:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Nov 7 22:00:27 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Patifa. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 22:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 22:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: app_ecosystem_wg)" | 22:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'app_ecosystem_wg' | 22:00 |
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| Patifa | Agenda can be found on our etherpad | 22:00 |
| Patifa | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/2016_Nov_7_App_Ecosystem_Workgroup | 22:00 |
| Patifa | #topic rollcall | 22:01 |
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| Patifa | anyone out there? | 22:01 |
| CarolBarrett | Hi | 22:01 |
| Patifa | Hi CarolBarrett! | 22:01 |
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| cbsterrett | HI | 22:01 |
| Patifa | Hi cbsterrett | 22:01 |
| docaedo | Hola | 22:02 |
| Patifa | There you are docaedo | 22:02 |
| Patifa | #chair docaedo | 22:02 |
| openstack | Current chairs: Patifa docaedo | 22:02 |
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| leong | o/ | 22:03 |
| docaedo | Will switch to computer in 1 min :) | 22:03 |
| Patifa | hi leong | 22:03 |
| Patifa | Let's get this party started. | 22:03 |
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| Patifa | #topic Group name change | 22:03 |
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| Patifa | docaedo started the conversation on the ml about changing our name to App Developer Enablement or App Developer Support | 22:04 |
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| CarolBarrett | Patifa: Is this the name for the converged Application Developer WG? | 22:05 |
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| Patifa | No, for the App Eco WG. | 22:05 |
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| Patifa | But I was thinking that it touches the conversation about the converged App Dev WG. | 22:06 |
| CarolBarrett | Is that because the merge isn't going to happen or ? | 22:06 |
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| Patifa | It's because we feel Ecossystem is to broad and we wanted to focus on the App Developer | 22:07 |
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| docaedo | I am personally a big fan of consolidation though, and the name to app dev enablement would support that I think | 22:07 |
| CarolBarrett | Patifa: That makes sense | 22:08 |
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| leong | +1 to App Dev Enablement | 22:08 |
| Patifa | Me too.. we need to see if the other parties are big fans of consolidating too | 22:08 |
| docaedo | (Also by the governance stuff we are really not a working group, but it doesn't seem like UC cares too much about the distinction at the moment) | 22:08 |
| CarolBarrett | docaedo: the larger context could be scoped to app developers or it could include the ecosystem too | 22:08 |
| CarolBarrett | I got lost in the UC discussion about teams and work groups... | 22:09 |
| docaedo | CarolBarrett: true, but seemed that consensus in barcelona was that "ecosystem" is so broad a term as to not be (very) useful | 22:09 |
| CarolBarrett | Seems like an unneccesary distinction to me, as long as teams have a mission and set goals and re-evalute the necessity to continue to operate each release cycle | 22:09 |
| docaedo | CarolBarrett: sorry I will not distract this topic with the one about "should we be a working group" :) | 22:09 |
| CarolBarrett | docaedo: understand...and agree | 22:10 |
| docaedo | (maybe we save it for later if we get through agenda) | 22:10 |
| CarolBarrett | ok | 22:10 |
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| Patifa | #action docaedo add "should we be a working group" discussion to agenda (future or today - time allowing) | 22:11 |
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| Patifa | as for the name, do we feel comfortable changing it today or do we need more time or a formal process? | 22:12 |
| Patifa | Actually, is there a forma process? | 22:12 |
| docaedo | There's no formal process that I am aware of | 22:12 |
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| docaedo | The mailing list thread seemed to have agreement around "App Dev Enablement" for new name, and I'm OK with that | 22:13 |
| docaedo | I'd suggest if anyone disagrees, speak up :) | 22:13 |
| * Patifa quite | 22:13 | |
| docaedo | otherwise I can take the action to follow up on the mailing list and say we're going to change the name (and I can also update the wiki and stuff) | 22:13 |
| Patifa | works for me | 22:14 |
| cbsterrett | sounds good | 22:14 |
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| Patifa | (and I can't spell QUIET apparently) | 22:14 |
| docaedo | #action docaedo to follow up on mailing list re: name change to "App Dev Enablement", then will update wiki pages as appropriate | 22:14 |
| Patifa | #action docaedo follow up on the mailing list and say we're going to change the name | 22:14 |
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| docaedo | HAHA | 22:14 |
| Patifa | hahah | 22:14 |
| docaedo | I'll let you write the actions then ;) | 22:15 |
| Patifa | tks! | 22:15 |
| Patifa | I guess | 22:15 |
| Patifa | Next topic | 22:15 |
| Patifa | #topic Goals for "P" | 22:15 |
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| Patifa | Here are the proposed goals for this cycle | 22:16 |
| Patifa | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/app-eco-objectives | 22:16 |
| Patifa | We were not able to go thru all of them at the summit. | 22:16 |
| CarolBarrett | What about the Ocata cycle (ie now)? | 22:16 |
| Patifa | that's a good question. docaedo why did we decide P instead of O... | 22:18 |
| docaedo | well, since flanders isn't here I'm gonna say it was his fault :p | 22:18 |
| Patifa | me too. :D | 22:18 |
| docaedo | actually I don't really know - all I was thinking was "what will we try to cover before the next summit" | 22:18 |
| CarolBarrett | Good call! :) | 22:18 |
| Patifa | What I wanted to do is go thru them, see if we're all in agreement, and start breaking them in actionable items | 22:19 |
| docaedo | +1 | 22:20 |
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| leong | the list looks good to me in general.. the "actionable items / AR" in each list are the tricky parts... | 22:20 |
| leong | i would suggest for O cycle , focus on (0) improve developer.openstack.org | 22:21 |
| Patifa | Moving forward I want to propose that we create an etherpad for each of the goals and track actions and progress there. And I’d love if we had owners for each one of the tracks | 22:21 |
| leong | and maybe develop plan towards some other lists? | 22:21 |
| Patifa | other lists? | 22:22 |
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| leong | the list in the etherpad : https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/app-eco-objectives | 22:22 |
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| Patifa | ah ok :D | 22:23 |
| leong | pick item (0) for Ocata | 22:23 |
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| leong | P cycle is towards Nov 2017 | 22:23 |
| Patifa | item 4 also is something we should aim for Ocata.. | 22:23 |
| Patifa | Working more closely with other related Working Groups | 22:24 |
| Patifa | IMO | 22:24 |
| CarolBarrett | It's a long list - how many goals do you realistically think the team can take on in this short cycle? | 22:24 |
| leong | we need something for O May 2017 | 22:24 |
| leong | that's why i'm suggesting pick only (0) for O cycle :-) | 22:24 |
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| CarolBarrett | I would like to propose #4 for this cycle too | 22:25 |
| docaedo | #0 and #4 seem reasonable to me | 22:25 |
| docaedo | seem achievable | 22:25 |
| Patifa | I think we can do those in parallel | 22:25 |
| CarolBarrett | do you want to use a +1 system to "vote"? Like everyone gets 2 votes or ...? | 22:26 |
| leong | #4 is an ongoing process .. :-) but that's definitely a good goal for O cycle | 22:26 |
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| Patifa | we should at least have a definition of how the teams can work together... if we merge, who merges with who... | 22:26 |
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| Patifa | and the one common goal on the discussion at the summit was item 0 of the list. both on the AppEcoWG and the App Enabling uber group (I don;t have good name for that) | 22:28 |
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| Patifa | if we're all in agreement with focusing on #0 and #4 for Ocata what are the next steps? | 22:29 |
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| docaedo | maybe a mailing list thread noting that those are our goals, and we start throwing out actionable suggestions for how to proceed? | 22:30 |
| docaedo | Just think that we can't solve it in this meeting, and might end up engaging some folks who aren't here at the moment | 22:31 |
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| Patifa | that is correct. two threads then? one for each item? And we bring #0 to the agenda next week? | 22:31 |
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| Patifa | and make it a planning session for our call meeting? | 22:32 |
| Patifa | while I schedule time with the other WG/team leads around #4 | 22:32 |
| docaedo | agrred on all counts | 22:33 |
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| docaedo | *agreed | 22:33 |
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| leong | +1 | 22:34 |
| Patifa | time for actions! | 22:34 |
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| docaedo | #actoin docaedo to let Patifa specify the actions for this meetings | 22:35 |
| Patifa | #action Patifa start thread about decision of focusing on #0, add to agenda next week and call for participants | 22:36 |
| Patifa | #action Patifa send doodle to other WG/team leads and schedule time to discuss #4 | 22:37 |
| Patifa | no more actions for docaedo ;) | 22:37 |
| docaedo | :D | 22:37 |
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| Patifa | At the summit, since we did not have etherpad, I ended up working on a plan for #0 after our meeting | 22:38 |
| Patifa | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/AppEco_WG_BCN | 22:38 |
| docaedo | nice | 22:39 |
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| Patifa | we had two actions from stefano and alejandra+olaph | 22:39 |
| Patifa | Stefano to share on going effort to identify problems for developers | 22:39 |
| Patifa | Alejandra + Olaph to propose a plan | 22:39 |
| leong | might want to consider creating a series of "tutorial" to help AppDev to jump onboard on OpenStack.. at developer.openstack.org | 22:39 |
| Patifa | I like that leong | 22:40 |
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| leong | let's push that into the planning meeting | 22:41 |
| docaedo | Agreed on that, seems like a good idea | 22:41 |
| Patifa | just added to 1.1.2.1 | 22:41 |
| Patifa | on the etherpad - under "generate content" | 22:42 |
| Patifa | the other low hanging fruit was the survey | 22:42 |
| Patifa | creating a survey to collect data from app developers to be distributed at events like Hackathons, Meetups etc. | 22:42 |
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| Patifa | I know that the AppHack WG folks were working with Piet (UX project) on this... | 22:43 |
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| docaedo | (15 minutes remaining) | 22:46 |
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| Patifa | Should we invite them to the conversation? Alejandra, Olaph, Stephano, Gonzalo, Michael Jenkins and Piet Kruithof? | 22:46 |
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| docaedo | definitely | 22:47 |
| leong | one area i would like to brought up here for consideration: this team need to consider moving focus beyond FirstApp to more about cloud-native topics (e.g. app arch changes, design pattern, container for apps, etc). | 22:47 |
| leong | i talked about that in the maillist: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/user-committee/2016-November/001355.html | 22:47 |
| docaedo | I think olaph would normally be here but he might be in transit today for a team meeting we are having later this week | 22:47 |
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| Patifa | do you want this action docaedo? to invite them? | 22:48 |
| docaedo | Patifa: sure :) | 22:48 |
| Patifa | #action docaedo invite Alejandra, Olaph, Stephano, Gonzalo, Michael Jenkins and Piet Kruithof to the party (meeting) next week to contibute with the plan to improve developer.openstack.org | 22:49 |
| Patifa | leong, back to your point. I agree with you. How do we add it to our laundry list? | 22:50 |
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| leong | we can talk about that as part of the list (0), it might span additional sub-topics | 22:51 |
| leong | pls put that into the planning list :-) sorry i need to drop.. talk to you next time... :-) | 22:52 |
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| Patifa | ok.. I'll add it to the list of possible content. We'll see if ppl have that content already that they can share in developer.openstack.org and plan to create the content that is missing in the future | 22:53 |
| Patifa | any objections? | 22:53 |
| docaedo | sounds good to me | 22:53 |
| CarolBarrett | sounds good | 22:54 |
| Patifa | ok, added to the plan! | 22:54 |
| docaedo | (5 minutes left) | 22:54 |
| docaedo | (and we're doing pretty good w/r/t the agenda!) | 22:55 |
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| Patifa | yep! :D | 22:56 |
| Patifa | Anything else we feel we can discuss in the remaining 3 min? | 22:57 |
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| docaedo | think that's a no :) | 22:59 |
| docaedo | thanks for running the meeting Patifa | 22:59 |
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| Patifa | np! let me close it! | 22:59 |
| docaedo | thanks everyone! | 22:59 |
| Patifa | #endmeeting | 22:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Nov 7 22:59:52 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/app_ecosystem_wg/2016/app_ecosystem_wg.2016-11-07-22.00.html | 22:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/app_ecosystem_wg/2016/app_ecosystem_wg.2016-11-07-22.00.txt | 22:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/app_ecosystem_wg/2016/app_ecosystem_wg.2016-11-07-22.00.log.html | 22:59 |
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| Patifa | thanks! | 23:00 |
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| Patifa | have a great rest of your week! :D | 23:01 |
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| docaedo | you too! | 23:03 |
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