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| andreykurilin | #startmeeting Rally | 14:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Oct 31 14:03:02 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is andreykurilin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Rally)" | 14:03 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'rally' | 14:03 |
| andreykurilin | o/ | 14:03 |
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| amaretskiy | hi | 14:03 |
| astarove | hi | 14:03 |
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| andreykurilin | I did not have enough time to prepare my notes related to summit, so I'll present them at next meeting | 14:05 |
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| andreykurilin | for today we have one item from agenda | 14:05 |
| andreykurilin | let's start from it | 14:05 |
| andreykurilin | #topic [astudenov] Let's discuss how db api should save task results data in chunks | 14:05 |
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| andreykurilin | astidenov proposed a change - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/391421/ | 14:07 |
| andreykurilin | it fixes an issue related to saving results | 14:07 |
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| andreykurilin | nice, astudenov here) | 14:07 |
| astudenov | hi all | 14:08 |
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| andreykurilin | in case of multi-node rally deployment, such fix will not work, since it is done on db-layer while saving full results. But it fixes "current" issue with saving big results | 14:09 |
| andreykurilin | astudenov: hi. I started intro of your work) | 14:09 |
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| astudenov | andreykurilin: ok, thanks | 14:11 |
| andreykurilin | so here are several questions: on what stage should we apply "chunking" ? What size chunks should be? chunk per iteration or specific amount of data? should we merge current fix and return to this question when work on distributed runner will start? | 14:11 |
| andreykurilin | amaretskiy: any ideas? | 14:12 |
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| amaretskiy | i think it is reasonable to have chunk size configurable and it shoudl keep 1 or more iterations results | 14:13 |
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| amaretskiy | i need to review the fix, no ideas about merging right now | 14:13 |
| amaretskiy | also I see -w on this patch | 14:13 |
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| andreykurilin | amaretskiy: yeah, it is just a wip. It was created to discuss the idea) | 14:14 |
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| andreykurilin | PoC | 14:14 |
| amaretskiy | i will take a look on it | 14:14 |
| astarove | I think what 1 chink == 1 iteration is reasonable | 14:14 |
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| amaretskiy | in case 1 c = 1i - should we have chunk term at all ? | 14:15 |
| astarove | I't small enouth to store data and big enoth to track results | 14:15 |
| astarove | why not? | 14:16 |
| andreykurilin | yeah, 1c = 1i sounds reasonable, but it can be redundant in case of very simple scenarios(with one atomic action) | 14:16 |
| amaretskiy | if 1c=1i then we have duplicated entity | 14:16 |
| astarove | @chunk@ it's a part of data | 14:16 |
| amaretskiy | as well as iteration results :) | 14:17 |
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| astarove | <andreykurilin> is it possible to set some limit on data& | 14:18 |
| astarove | ? | 14:18 |
| astudenov | also we need to take into account that we planned to compress chunks | 14:18 |
| amaretskiy | we are currently compressing results | 14:19 |
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| andreykurilin | btw, in case of 1c = 1i and rps runner(let it be 400rps), we can kill database | 14:20 |
| andreykurilin | lol | 14:20 |
| amaretskiy | this is the only choice because json has redundant size | 14:20 |
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| amaretskiy | chunk size should be as max as possible | 14:20 |
| amaretskiy | imho | 14:20 |
| amaretskiy | 100 iterations :) | 14:21 |
| amaretskiy | or more | 14:21 |
| astarove | so actually the question is to set limit on chunk size | 14:21 |
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| astudenov | 1c=1i seems not right to me | 14:21 |
| amaretskiy | the number of iterations is chunk can be easily changed, i guess | 14:21 |
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| amaretskiy | why not having it configurable? | 14:21 |
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| amaretskiy | even via python constant for first time | 14:22 |
| andreykurilin | we will make it configurable, but we need to set default value:) | 14:22 |
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| astudenov | amaretsky: yes, I think it should be a config file field | 14:22 |
| amaretskiy | 100 | 14:22 |
| amaretskiy | 42 :) | 14:22 |
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| andreykurilin | 42 | 14:22 |
| astarove | 42 (+1) | 14:22 |
| andreykurilin | +1 for 42 | 14:22 |
| andreykurilin | lol | 14:22 |
| amaretskiy | so we have 42 + 1 +1 = 44 | 14:22 |
| amaretskiy | :-D | 14:23 |
| andreykurilin | xD | 14:23 |
| astudenov | i am currently using 1k | 14:23 |
| amaretskiy | 420 | 14:23 |
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| amaretskiy | initial value is not critical, i think | 14:24 |
| andreykurilin | it looks like we have first agreement | 14:24 |
| astarove | 1k is not much better than 42 ) | 14:24 |
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| amaretskiy | 1024 | 14:24 |
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| andreykurilin | #agreement the size of chunks should be configurable | 14:24 |
| amaretskiy | #vote for configurable and initial value >=42 | 14:25 |
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| andreykurilin | let it be 1k | 14:25 |
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| amaretskiy | #agreed | 14:25 |
| astarove | #agreed | 14:25 |
| andreykurilin | nice | 14:25 |
| andreykurilin | so we closed one of several questions | 14:25 |
| astudenov | #agreed 1k iterations per chunk | 14:26 |
| andreykurilin | another one - on which stage should we save results to db? | 14:26 |
| astarove | together with preparation of report? | 14:27 |
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| astudenov | current solution can be merged only as a temporary fix for saving big results. | 14:27 |
| amaretskiy | report is not related to saving data | 14:27 |
| andreykurilin | astudenov: if we merge current fix, there is a possibility that your boss will be satisfied and will not allow to continue work on improments | 14:28 |
| andreykurilin | lol | 14:28 |
| andreykurilin | *improvements | 14:28 |
| amaretskiy | i think the most efficient way is saving data in the very end of scenario run, however this requires having enough rom | 14:28 |
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| amaretskiy | if some issues expected then lets save chunks as soon as we hav ethem | 14:29 |
| astudenov | so result consumer should save results by chunks too | 14:30 |
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| andreykurilin | saving chunks asap can led to rally performance degradation due to jsonschema validation of data | 14:30 |
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| andreykurilin | but yeah, it would be nice to save them asap | 14:30 |
| andreykurilin | chunk size should as big as possible to reduce number of validation calls | 14:32 |
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| andreykurilin | or validation on smaller parts can affect performance in less way | 14:32 |
| andreykurilin | hm.. | 14:32 |
| andreykurilin | we should check it:) | 14:32 |
| andreykurilin | *validation of smaller | 14:32 |
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| amaretskiy | how about pure-python validation (fast) | 14:33 |
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| astudenov | as far as i know we dont use jsonschema for validating results? https://github.com/openstack/rally/blob/master/rally/task/runner.py#L241-L301 | 14:33 |
| andreykurilin | oh... I forgot that we already abandoned jsonschema for task results | 14:34 |
| andreykurilin | ok, so I'm ok to save chunks as soon as we have them | 14:35 |
| andreykurilin | and it should not be hard to implement | 14:35 |
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| andreykurilin | do we have an agreement? | 14:38 |
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| andreykurilin | amaretskiy astarove astudenov ^ | 14:39 |
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| astudenov | I agree that we should save chunk as soon as we have 1k iterations in results consumer | 14:41 |
| andreykurilin | ok | 14:41 |
| astarove | looks like we have one more agreement | 14:41 |
| andreykurilin | nice) | 14:41 |
| andreykurilin | ok, anything else to discuss on current topic? | 14:42 |
| amaretskiy | nothing from me | 14:42 |
| astudenov | me too | 14:43 |
| andreykurilin | ok | 14:43 |
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| astarove | no | 14:43 |
| andreykurilin | #topic Free discussion | 14:43 |
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| andreykurilin | I found a perfect Irish Pub... Is it a good topic for discussion?)) | 14:43 |
| astudenov | :) | 14:45 |
| andreykurilin | ok, if noone have topics to discuss, let's finish our meeting and I'll go there | 14:46 |
| astarove | it's good topic for selfy | 14:46 |
| andreykurilin | ))) | 14:46 |
| andreykurilin | thanks guys for participation | 14:46 |
| andreykurilin | see you | 14:46 |
| andreykurilin | #endmeeting | 14:46 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 14:46 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Oct 31 14:46:38 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:46 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2016/rally.2016-10-31-14.03.html | 14:46 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2016/rally.2016-10-31-14.03.txt | 14:46 |
| astarove | see you | 14:46 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2016/rally.2016-10-31-14.03.log.html | 14:46 |
| astudenov | bb | 14:46 |
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