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| openstack | Meeting started Tue Oct 4 03:01:48 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is hongbin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 03:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 03:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'zun' | 03:01 |
| hongbin | #topic Roll Call | 03:02 |
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| shubhams | Shubham Sharma | 03:02 |
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| hongbin | #endmeeting | 03:06 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Oct 4 03:06:43 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 03:06 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zun/2016/zun.2016-10-04-03.01.html | 03:06 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zun/2016/zun.2016-10-04-03.01.txt | 03:06 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zun/2016/zun.2016-10-04-03.01.log.html | 03:06 |
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| takashi | kota_: can we start? | 08:01 |
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| kota_ | hello | 08:04 |
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| kota_ | storlets meeting has started? | 08:05 |
| kota_ | waiting takashi... | 08:07 |
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| takashi | kota_: sorry. I did't notice that I was disconnected from freenode | 08:12 |
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| kota_ | takashi: ok, np | 08:13 |
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| takashi | kota_: Let's start | 08:13 |
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| takashi | #startmeeting storlets | 08:14 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Oct 4 08:14:00 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is takashi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 08:14 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 08:14 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: storlets)" | 08:14 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'storlets' | 08:14 |
| kota_ | takashi: nice | 08:14 |
| takashi | kota_: :-) | 08:14 |
| takashi | I updated agenda a little: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Storlets | 08:14 |
| takashi | kota_: feel free to add any topics | 08:15 |
| kota_ | takashi: tbh, I've been hit another meeting so that i could response with delay | 08:15 |
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| takashi | kota_: ok | 08:15 |
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| takashi | Can we proceed base on the agenda? | 08:16 |
| takashi | kota_: I think it does not take so mach time, so we can take time about your topic after that | 08:17 |
| takashi | I think | 08:17 |
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| kota_ | ok | 08:19 |
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| takashi | #topic Design Summit planning | 08:20 |
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| takashi | I just started to write down my idea about discussion point in design summit, based on eranrom's first draft | 08:21 |
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| takashi | kota_: I found that you already added some of your ideas | 08:21 |
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| kota_ | takahshi: yea | 08:21 |
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| takashi | will add mine soon | 08:22 |
| kota_ | with quick view, it looks like there are awesome topics | 08:22 |
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| takashi | kota_: yes :-) | 08:22 |
| takashi | I think I need to pick up some topics from python storlet related works, and also I think there are something we need to highlight in our design summit | 08:23 |
| takashi | about big-tent work | 08:23 |
| kota_ | thinking of the conflicted session with Swift's, could we move our slotst to sort of Wed? | 08:24 |
| kota_ | but basically, Wed is addressed for cross-project work | 08:24 |
| kota_ | hmmm | 08:24 |
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| takashi | kota_: maybe | 08:24 |
| takashi | kota_: the reason why thursday morning is listed there is that there are available room at that time slot | 08:25 |
| kota_ | but if it's difficult to move them to Wed, current schedule looks not so bad because the morning time is for fb of Swift sessions. | 08:25 |
| kota_ | ah | 08:26 |
| kota_ | if we could address some sessions for implementations (e.g. python work) in the Thu fb, I'm happy because, I have to be abasent in Fri. | 08:27 |
| takashi | kota_: agree | 08:27 |
| takashi | kota_: Talking about myself, there are still some sessions not scheduled yet, but as far it seems that I'm available at Thursday morning (9:00-9:40) and on Wednesday | 08:28 |
| kota_ | ah, you mean, we could make mini-hackathon in Wed with ourselvs. | 08:29 |
| kota_ | sounds great | 08:29 |
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| kota_ | wrote down at the bottom of etherpad. | 08:30 |
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| takashi_ | kota_: sorry. I got disconnected for a while. maybe there are something wrong with the wifi network in my office... :-( | 08:32 |
| takashi_ | and back | 08:32 |
| kota_ | it looks takashi's line is unstable. | 08:32 |
| kota_ | takashi: np | 08:32 |
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| takashi_ | kota_: I'll add my available time on the etherpad, as we discussed last week | 08:33 |
| takashi_ | but currently Thursday morning and Wednesday seems possible options for us | 08:34 |
| takashi_ | kota_: Can we move to the next topic? | 08:35 |
| kota_ | yes | 08:35 |
| takashi_ | #topic Big tent updates | 08:36 |
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| takashi | #topic Big tent updates | 08:37 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Big tent updates (Meeting topic: storlets)" | 08:37 | |
| takashi | now it works | 08:37 |
| kota_ | no updates from my side, do you have something? | 08:37 |
| takashi | kota_: not so big updates | 08:37 |
| kota_ | but, I'd like to confirm the remaining tasks, though | 08:37 |
| takashi | about python packaging, I found some problems caused by updated dependency packages | 08:38 |
| takashi | I still need to find the root cause. Maybe I need to build clean environment to test that | 08:38 |
| takashi | kota_: I think the thing should come for next is, bumping up keystone or replace nostests by testr in functest | 08:40 |
| takashi | kota_: or... copyright stuff is another possible one | 08:40 |
| takashi | I know eranrom is workin about using testr in functests | 08:40 |
| takashi | s/workin/working/ | 08:40 |
| takashi | about python storlet works, we currently have awesome doc patch by eranrom | 08:41 |
| kota_ | takashi: yey, I've looked at | 08:42 |
| takashi | It covers all things together with my previous patch. We still have some remaining work items, but that is the last thing we need to release the feature at least in beta status | 08:42 |
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| kota_ | takashi: k, thanks. | 08:43 |
| kota_ | summrize that, we're now working, docs, packaging for big tent. | 08:43 |
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| kota_ | plus testing | 08:44 |
| kota_ | gotcha | 08:44 |
| takashi | kota_: yes | 08:44 |
| takashi | kota_: I think it is great if we can talk with tc member directly at Barcelona | 08:44 |
| kota_ | takashi: nice idea! | 08:45 |
| takashi | we can check remaining things there. | 08:45 |
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| kota_ | ok, will do | 08:45 |
| takashi | It seems that another project, Tricircle is requresing to have some time for dicsussion with tc members | 08:45 |
| kota_ | Is acoles comming? | 08:45 |
| kota_ | jk | 08:46 |
| kota_ | ok, Barcelona summit seems good place to get face to face conversion with tc | 08:47 |
| takashi | kota_: yes. Let's talk about that plan with eranrom later | 08:47 |
| kota_ | k | 08:47 |
| kota_ | moving on? | 08:47 |
| acoles | kota_: hello, what happened? | 08:47 |
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| takashi | kota_: yes | 08:47 |
| kota_ | what's topic on the next? | 08:48 |
| takashi | #topic Release planning | 08:49 |
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| kota_ | ok | 08:49 |
| takashi | I think we don't have so much about this topic | 08:49 |
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| kota_ | yes, docs will land soon, and we can cut the release, doesn't it? | 08:50 |
| takashi | we agreed to include doc patch about python storlet works in the next release, and they are now ready for review (and hopefully ready for landing) | 08:50 |
| takashi | kota_: yes | 08:50 |
| kota_ | k | 08:50 |
| takashi | Tha's all from my side | 08:50 |
| kota_ | ok | 08:51 |
| takashi | #topic Open discussion | 08:51 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open discussion (Meeting topic: storlets)" | 08:51 | |
| takashi | I think you have some topics, right? | 08:51 |
| takashi | kota_: ^^^ | 08:51 |
| kota_ | i think the logger change is really good one but I didn't get all for that, right now. | 08:51 |
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| takashi | kota_: you mean patch 380207 | 08:52 |
| kota_ | I think, you know my traial and the status, we cannot get the actual log from python storlets if it fails by some reasons. | 08:52 |
| kota_ | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/380207 | 08:52 |
| kota_ | yes | 08:52 |
| takashi | kota_: yes | 08:52 |
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| kota_ | I hope it could address A. dump a log correctly, B. we can look at the status in the gerrit log | 08:53 |
| kota_ | takashi: Q. does the newest patch set enable that? | 08:53 |
| kota_ | we have last 5 minutes :/ | 08:54 |
| takashi | kota_: Currently the patch can be a help for A, but there are something not covered yet | 08:54 |
| takashi | kota_: ok | 08:54 |
| kota_ | ok, that means, it's still working. | 08:54 |
| kota_ | will look at to help something | 08:54 |
| takashi | kota_: It captures stdio/stdout of daemon process, but it assume that the daemon process started properly | 08:55 |
| kota_ | yeah, | 08:55 |
| takashi | kota_: I mean, for example No such file case, it generates stdout output before setting that captureing | 08:55 |
| kota_ | hopefully, I'd avoid the "logger" command, if possible | 08:55 |
| kota_ | though :/ | 08:55 |
| takashi | kota_: In my first idea, I passed our logger to popen to get rid of logger command | 08:56 |
| takashi | kota_: However, after some testing, I noticed that popen requires fd related to that logger, which I still need to thin the way | 08:56 |
| takashi | kota_: it tries to get logger.fileno() | 08:57 |
| takashi | kota_: Maybe we need to open new pipe, and fork some process listening that fd and record the coming message to the log | 08:57 |
| kota_ | takashi: hmm... | 08:58 |
| kota_ | anyway, we're running out of time. | 08:58 |
| kota_ | will discuss later | 08:58 |
| takashi | kota_: ok | 08:58 |
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| takashi | feel free to add your comment on the patch, or catch me at openstack-storlets | 08:59 |
| kota_ | takashi: could you please make the end command? | 08:59 |
| takashi | #endmeeting | 08:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 08:59 | |
| kota_ | takashi: sure | 08:59 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Oct 4 08:59:52 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 08:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storlets/2016/storlets.2016-10-04-08.14.html | 08:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storlets/2016/storlets.2016-10-04-08.14.txt | 08:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storlets/2016/storlets.2016-10-04-08.14.log.html | 08:59 |
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| takashi | kota_: I was just searhing the command | 09:00 |
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| sridhar_ram | #startmeeting tacker | 16:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Oct 4 16:01:20 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sridhar_ram. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: tacker)" | 16:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tacker' | 16:01 |
| sridhar_ram | #topic Roll Call | 16:01 |
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| sridhar_ram | who is here for tacker meeting? | 16:01 |
| vishwanathj | o/ | 16:01 |
| sripriya | o/ | 16:01 |
| diga_ | o/ | 16:01 |
| mgunjan | o/ | 16:02 |
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| sridhar_ram | vishwanathj: sripriya: diga_ : mgunjan: hi ! | 16:02 |
| dkushwaha | o/ | 16:02 |
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| sridhar_ram | dkushwaha: hi! | 16:03 |
| sridhar_ram | let's start.. | 16:03 |
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| sridhar_ram | #topic Agenda | 16:03 |
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| sridhar_ram | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Tacker#Meeting_Oct_4th.2C_2016 | 16:03 |
| sridhar_ram | we might have some time to discuss other things .. any new topics for agenda? | 16:04 |
| sridhar_ram | #topic Annoucements | 16:05 |
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| sridhar_ram | In case you haven't seen this vvv | 16:05 |
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| sridhar_ram | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-October/105019.html | 16:05 |
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| bobh | o/ | 16:06 |
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| sridhar_ram | #info Sridhar (PTL) will be on medical leave of absence for 4 - 6 weeks, starting Oct 10th | 16:06 |
| sridhar_ram | bobh: howdy! | 16:06 |
| sridhar_ram | I'll miss the summit as well :( | 16:06 |
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| sridhar_ram | But, i know most of the core team members will be there .. i hope it will be business as usual | 16:07 |
| sridhar_ram | I've requested sripriya to be acting PTL in my absence.. | 16:07 |
| sridhar_ram | sripriya: thanks for taking this responsibility.. | 16:08 |
| sridhar_ram | any questions ? | 16:08 |
| vishwanathj | sridhar_ram will miss you, sripriya, all the best, sure you can do it | 16:08 |
| dkushwaha | sridhar_ram, we miss you | 16:08 |
| sridhar_ram | vishwanathj: dkushwaha: thanks | 16:08 |
| sripriya | sridhar_ram: hope you have a speedy recovery, we will keep the ship sailing until you return :-) | 16:09 |
| sridhar_ram | sripriya: thanks.. and i'm sure the ship will continue its journey w/ your stewardship! | 16:09 |
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| sridhar_ram | we are in this NFV Orchestration journey for a long haul... | 16:10 |
| sridhar_ram | moving on.. | 16:10 |
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| sridhar_ram | #topic Barcelona Summit Planning | 16:10 |
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| sridhar_ram | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tacker-ocata-summit | 16:11 |
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| sridhar_ram | bobh: I've penciled you in to lead the discussion on NSD + Mistral.. would that work for you? | 16:12 |
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| sridhar_ram | Kanagaraj: howdy! | 16:12 |
| bobh | sridhar_ram: yes - should be fine | 16:12 |
| sridhar_ram | bobh: thanks! | 16:12 |
| trozet | sridhar_ram: is there going to be a virtual meeting so I can dial in? | 16:12 |
| sridhar_ram | trozet: we tried it last time, it didn't work as well we hoped it would.. | 16:13 |
| sridhar_ram | trozet: frankly i could make use of it as well :) | 16:13 |
| Kanagaraj | sridhar_ram: hi, fine. thanks :) how are you | 16:13 |
| sridhar_ram | trozet: it is a logistical hassle for the team in the room .. | 16:14 |
| sridhar_ram | sripriya: what do you think ? | 16:14 |
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| sripriya | sridhar_ram: we do not know yet the meeting room setup, so there is no guarantee on that | 16:15 |
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| sridhar_ram | perhaps we can try a "live" etherpad and listen-in only web conference | 16:15 |
| sripriya | sridhar_ram; at the leasr we can try to keep the etherpad as updated as possible withe discussions | 16:16 |
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| sripriya | sridhar_ram: s/leasr/least | 16:16 |
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| sridhar_ram | sripriya: room allocation will happen soon.. cheddar system to populate the session is open now | 16:16 |
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| sripriya | sridhar_ram: okay, whats the cheddar system? | 16:17 |
| sridhar_ram | sripriya: yes, capturing everything in the etherpad is the best way forward... | 16:17 |
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| sridhar_ram | sripriya: it is an online tool to populate design summit agenda .. the details then will show up in the summit schedule | 16:18 |
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| sridhar_ram | sripriya: i'll hook u up w/ that offline | 16:18 |
| sripriya | sridhar_ram: got it | 16:18 |
| diga_ | sridhar_ram: sripriya: I also try to follow etherpad but dont know about setup as i am not able to make it for summit | 16:18 |
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| sridhar_ram | diga_: no worries diga_ .. as you get closer you will hear the etherpads created for the summit | 16:19 |
| sridhar_ram | i think we will branch off the main https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tacker-ocata-summit | 16:19 |
| sridhar_ram | sripriya: heads up, we also need a cross-project sync with networking-sfc team.. | 16:20 |
| diga_ | okay | 16:20 |
| sripriya | sridhar_ram: ack, i see that on the summit etherpad schedule | 16:20 |
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| sridhar_ram | we need to keep the VNFFG feature healthy with changes coming in that project | 16:20 |
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| sridhar_ram | trozet: did you hear more on when the network_src_port_id restriction will be removed? That is one item to follow up w/ them | 16:21 |
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| sripriya | sridhar_ram: probably we need to check if n-sfc team members are available around the schedule time? | 16:21 |
| trozet | sridhar_ram: i asked in gerrit, but should follow up with Cathy | 16:21 |
| trozet | sridhar_ram: will work on that | 16:21 |
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| sridhar_ram | trozet: thanks! | 16:21 |
| sridhar_ram | trozet: what is the "next" thing to do in the area of VNFFG ? | 16:22 |
| trozet | sridhar_ram: well I would like to get it working with ODL, | 16:23 |
| sridhar_ram | trozet: sure, that's definitely the top item... | 16:23 |
| trozet | sridhar_ram: so right now just trying to get devstack to work then going to try vishnoianil patch | 16:23 |
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| sridhar_ram | trozet: sounds good.. | 16:23 |
| trozet | sridhar_ram: then I can help get that patch into networking-odl. After that there are several clean up items to take care of in Tacker code | 16:23 |
| trozet | sridhar_ram: for example we kind of hacked around Tosca to put the 'path' in VNFFGD, we should fix that kind of stuff | 16:24 |
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| diga_ | trozet: My setup is ready with ubuntu16.04, let me know if something to test | 16:25 |
| sridhar_ram | trozet: okay... | 16:25 |
| sridhar_ram | trozet: dkushwaha: another thing i had in mind was NSD + FFGD in a single TOSCA template | 16:25 |
| trozet | sridhar_ram: yeah that woudl help resolve hte tosca parser issues | 16:25 |
| sridhar_ram | trozet: may i ask you to list these "items" in the VNFFG section in the https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tacker-ocata-summit | 16:25 |
| trozet | sridhar_ram: yeah | 16:26 |
| sridhar_ram | trozet: this will help the team heading to the summit to interact / advise rest of the neutron + sfc team... | 16:26 |
| sripriya | sridhar_ram: trozet: what about the ‘symmetrical’ attribute support? | 16:26 |
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| trozet | sripriya: support for that was just added into networking-sfc, need to follow up | 16:27 |
| sridhar_ram | i was planning to send a "state of n-sfc usage in tacker" to armax .. for all his guidance in the last OPNFV Summit @ Germany | 16:27 |
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| sripriya | trozet: cool | 16:27 |
| sridhar_ram | trozet: sripriya: please list these items in the summit etherpad.. | 16:27 |
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| sridhar_ram | bobh: we need a similar interaction with tosca-parser / heat-translator team.. again, is that something you can help facilitate ? | 16:28 |
| bobh | sridhar_ram: yes | 16:28 |
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| sridhar_ram | for both these cross-project, we can either use one of our design summit slot or join theirs' | 16:29 |
| sridhar_ram | sripriya: bobh: please make the call as you see fit | 16:29 |
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| bobh | sridhar_ram: not sure if tp/ht has any slots - I'll check with spzala | 16:29 |
| sridhar_ram | bobh: okay, then feel free to use one of our design summit slots.. | 16:30 |
| spzala | bobh: sridhar_ram: on call but getting back to you in few | 16:30 |
| sridhar_ram | spzala: sure.. | 16:30 |
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| sridhar_ram | bobh: sripriya: spzala: in fact it will be nice to hear the "rest" of the things happening in tp/ht world :) | 16:31 |
| vishnoianil | trozet, let me know if you need any help with networking-odl driver setup | 16:31 |
| trozet | vishnoianil: yeah will come to you for help | 16:31 |
| sridhar_ram | bobh: sripriya: spzala: we should purse offering new tosca "features" available through Tacker.. | 16:32 |
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| spzala | sridhar_ram: bobh: if we can use one of tacker design slot (like we did in austin) that would be great | 16:32 |
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| sridhar_ram | spzala: ack.. | 16:32 |
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| sripriya | sridhar_ram: yeah, it will be good to integrate these new node types from tacker back to tp/ht projects | 16:33 |
| sridhar_ram | sripriya: +2 .. lock that room after spzala + tp/ht folks show up unless they agree to this ;-) | 16:34 |
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| spzala | awesome, so if we can have a joint discussion session we seems can cover good lot of cross projects things | 16:34 |
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| sridhar_ram | Moving to another topic of interest ... exploring containerized VNFs / VDUs.. | 16:36 |
| sripriya | sridhar_ram: lol :) | 16:36 |
| sridhar_ram | this keeps coming as a question during Tacker evaluations in PoCs.. | 16:37 |
| spzala | sripriya: sounds great, once you can finalize the time/location for the summit discussion please let me know so that can let other folks in team to know about it .. I am sure most of the folks will attend .. and more folks from tp/ht coming to summit this time | 16:37 |
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| sridhar_ram | spzala: great! | 16:37 |
| * sridhar_ram back to containers.. | 16:37 | |
| spzala | sridhar_ram: sure and thank you! | 16:38 |
| sripriya | spzala, nice! ack. will sync up with you on the details | 16:38 |
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| sridhar_ram | I've some thoughts.. but i think we need to first identify user stories / use cases before we "blindly" do that.. | 16:38 |
| spzala | sripriya: perfect, thanks! | 16:38 |
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| sridhar_ram | anyone have general thoughts in this area ? | 16:39 |
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| vishwanathj | are there VNF vendors out there that are delivering the network services in containers already? | 16:40 |
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| sridhar_ram | vishwanathj: yes, VNFC s/w is available as a container image.. (i don't have a link handy, will find out) | 16:41 |
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| sridhar_ram | i'll create a section in the summit etherpad for the team to capture container use-cases for Tacker | 16:41 |
| sridhar_ram | vishwanathj: IMO we need to explore in two angles .. | 16:42 |
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| sridhar_ram | 1) How to support traditional VNFCs available in containerized form factor (imagine docker image instead of classic qcow2) | 16:43 |
| sridhar_ram | 2) What are the "Network Services" needs in the world of containers app ecosystems | 16:43 |
| sridhar_ram | *containerized | 16:43 |
| sripriya | sridhar_ram: i think we also need to understand the networking challenges/requirements of these containerized VNFCs… | 16:44 |
| vishwanathj | I see ... good points | 16:44 |
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| sridhar_ram | sripriya: agree.. perhaps (as you had mentioned earlier), we need to look into Kuryr project closely.. | 16:44 |
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| sripriya | sridhar_ram: yeah, need to do some homework on that | 16:45 |
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| vishwanathj | a useful link to read up on container networking http://thenewstack.io/container-networking-breakdown-explanation-analysis/ | 16:45 |
| diga_ | sridhar_ram: I work on kuryr, this project will surely help us getting neutron network assigned to container network | 16:46 |
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| sridhar_ram | yes, next few weeks will be good time to do that homework.. and it will be great if the team can write down the user stories (as many meaningful ones as possible) and they we can prioritize and go after the ones that are relative high priority + relatively easier to achieve | 16:47 |
| sridhar_ram | diga_: cool | 16:47 |
| sripriya | sridhar_ram: sure | 16:47 |
| sridhar_ram | vishwanathj: thanks for the link | 16:47 |
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| sridhar_ram | anything else on this topic of containers for Tacker ? | 16:48 |
| sridhar_ram | moving on.. | 16:48 |
| sridhar_ram | #topic NSD | 16:48 |
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| sridhar_ram | dkushwaha: can you give an update ? | 16:49 |
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| dkushwaha | sridhar_ram, Regarding mistral workflow, i have commented in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/304667/ | 16:49 |
| dkushwaha | sridhar_ram, all, please have a look on this | 16:49 |
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| sridhar_ram | dkushwaha: thanks | 16:50 |
| sridhar_ram | dkushwaha: btw, please add the Mistral pros & cons directly into the spec write up.. | 16:51 |
| sripriya | dkushwaha: the 4th bullet in cons 1) point is what concerns me as well, going back and forth with tacker and mistral for a nsd request | 16:51 |
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| sripriya | dkushwaha: sridhar_ram: also, if we needed to have a dependency workfloow between multiple VNFs, should the control come to Tacker after each dependent step completion? | 16:52 |
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| sridhar_ram | dkushwaha: first, those are nice points.. | 16:53 |
| sridhar_ram | sripriya: not sure.. again, we need to think a "day in a life" of NSD.. but if i understand the power of mistral many of these back and forth can all be "coded" in the generates mistral workflow | 16:54 |
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| sridhar_ram | question is how complex that mistral workflow generation logic going to be... | 16:54 |
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| sripriya | sridhar_ram: right… | 16:54 |
| sridhar_ram | dkushwaha: sripriya: the bigger thing that is missing on the pro side .. once we have mistral in place any workflow / remediation already coded will be in the reach of Tacker | 16:55 |
| dkushwaha | sripriya, sridhar_ram as we are going with multiple new features, it might be complex for corner cases | 16:55 |
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| sridhar_ram | dkushwaha: thats a concern for me too.. | 16:56 |
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| sridhar_ram | I'd go w/ the team's decision here.. but let's use this to take a hard look | 16:56 |
| sridhar_ram | once we code up NSD directly to tackerclient there is not much incentive to re-write it again using mistral | 16:57 |
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| sridhar_ram | bobh: your thoughts will be helpful here .. over next few weeks and in the summit | 16:58 |
| sridhar_ram | alright we are out of time for today | 16:58 |
| sridhar_ram | please continue to review NSD spec | 16:58 |
| sridhar_ram | #topic Open Discussion | 16:58 |
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| dkushwaha | sridhar_ram, please suggest for approach, so that i can move forward | 16:59 |
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| sridhar_ram | Folks .. i'll be back in few weeks.. will catchup on things in the etherpad... | 16:59 |
| sridhar_ram | sripriya: over to you :) | 16:59 |
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| sridhar_ram | dkushwaha: let the discussion take place in the spec and reach a logical conclusion.. | 17:00 |
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| Kanagaraj | sridhar_ram: take care of you well ! | 17:00 |
| sridhar_ram | bye folks | 17:00 |
| sridhar_ram | Kanagaraj: thanks | 17:00 |
| sridhar_ram | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Oct 4 17:00:35 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2016/tacker.2016-10-04-16.01.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2016/tacker.2016-10-04-16.01.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2016/tacker.2016-10-04-16.01.log.html | 17:00 |
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| dragonmaster | hello all | 17:10 |
| dragonmaster | is third_party meeting tonight or nextweek ? | 17:10 |
| ja3 | dragonmaster, greetings... mtg chair has not arrived. | 17:10 |
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| ja3 | ...this is the correct slot though. | 17:11 |
| dragonmaster | thanks ja3 | 17:11 |
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| asselin__ | ja3 dragonmaster still want to have a meeting? | 17:30 |
| dragonmaster | i just have a few questions | 17:31 |
| dragonmaster | was pointed to the meeting by #openstack-infra | 17:31 |
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| dragonmaster | trying to setup our own zuul, and was hoping someone could point me in the right way | 17:32 |
| asselin__ | #startmeeting thirdparty | 17:32 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Oct 4 17:32:41 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is asselin__. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:32 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:32 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'thirdparty' | 17:32 |
| asselin__ | dragonmaster, ask away :) | 17:32 |
| dragonmaster | thanks asselin__ | 17:33 |
| ja3 | sounds like dragonmaster has q's. I'm on another call now. | 17:33 |
| dragonmaster | so, (1) would we be able to use central auth with zuul / gerrit ? | 17:33 |
| dragonmaster | ie - ldap auth | 17:33 |
| asselin__ | dragonmaster, gerrit supports ldap auth | 17:34 |
| dragonmaster | yeah, | 17:34 |
| asselin__ | zuul uses ssh public key to talk to gerrit | 17:34 |
| dragonmaster | ok | 17:34 |
| dragonmaster | so, as long as a user exists with that key, it should work | 17:35 |
| asselin__ | yes. Are you setting up 3rd party ci? or a separate gerrit/zuul installation? | 17:35 |
| dragonmaster | our own zuul / gerrit stack which will integrate with private gitlab server | 17:36 |
| dragonmaster | ci would be either jenkins (i know it was how openstack used to be built) | 17:37 |
| asselin__ | #link http://docs.openstack.org/infra/zuul/connections.html#gerrit | 17:37 |
| dragonmaster | but potentially switch to buildbot | 17:37 |
| asselin__ | this is where your configure zuul with the gerrit username and path to public ssh key | 17:37 |
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| dragonmaster | but , take a step back | 17:41 |
| dragonmaster | from. http://docs.openstack.org/infra/zuul/quick-start.html | 17:41 |
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| dragonmaster | pip install zuul doesnt active the webui component from my tests | 17:41 |
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| asselin__ | which webui component? | 17:42 |
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| dragonmaster | zuul.openstack.org has the gates displayed there | 17:43 |
| asselin__ | look at http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/puppet-zuul/tree/templates/zuul.vhost.erb, seems it's on port 8001 ? | 17:44 |
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| dragonmaster | from my zuul server (base install of trusty with zuul) | 17:45 |
| dragonmaster | root@zuul01:~# netstat -ntap | grep -i listen | 17:45 |
| dragonmaster | tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:3306 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 800/mysqld | 17:45 |
| dragonmaster | tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:11211 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 889/memcached | 17:45 |
| dragonmaster | tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:22 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 398/sshd | 17:45 |
| dragonmaster | tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:4730 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 220/gearmand | 17:45 |
| dragonmaster | tcp6 0 0 :::22 :::* LISTEN 398/sshd | 17:45 |
| dragonmaster | tcp6 0 0 :::4730 :::* LISTEN 220/gearmand | 17:45 |
| asselin__ | tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:8001 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 13239/python | 17:47 |
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| asselin__ | zuul 13239 1 3 Sep28 ? 04:13:53 /usr/bin/python /usr/local/bin/zuul-server | 17:47 |
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| asselin__ | but this is an older version of zuul...not sure if that still applies ^^ | 17:48 |
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| dragonmaster | taking a quick look, maybe the zuul-server didn’t startup | 17:48 |
| asselin__ | how many zuul-server processes are running? | 17:48 |
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| dragonmaster | seems it’s dying, i’ll need to make sure my configs are correct | 17:49 |
| asselin__ | use -f to run it in foreground mode | 17:50 |
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| asselin__ | sorry, I mean -d | 17:50 |
| asselin__ | -d do not run as a daemon | 17:50 |
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| dragonmaster | yeah, just did it | 17:51 |
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| dragonmaster | directory /var/lib/zuul didnt get created with he install | 17:52 |
| dragonmaster | stacktrace::: | 17:52 |
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| dragonmaster | root@zuul01:~# zuul-server -d | 17:52 |
| dragonmaster | Traceback (most recent call last): | 17:52 |
| dragonmaster | File "/usr/local/bin/zuul-server", line 10, in <module> | 17:52 |
| dragonmaster | sys.exit(main()) | 17:52 |
| dragonmaster | File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/zuul/cmd/server.py", line 239, in main | 17:52 |
| dragonmaster | server.main() | 17:53 |
| dragonmaster | File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/zuul/cmd/server.py", line 164, in main | 17:53 |
| dragonmaster | self.sched = zuul.scheduler.Scheduler(self.config) | 17:53 |
| dragonmaster | File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/zuul/scheduler.py", line 265, in __init__ | 17:53 |
| dragonmaster | time_dir = self._get_time_database_dir() | 17:53 |
| dragonmaster | File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/zuul/scheduler.py", line 759, in _get_time_database_dir | 17:53 |
| dragonmaster | os.mkdir(d) | 17:53 |
| dragonmaster | OSError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/var/lib/zuul/times' | 17:53 |
| dragonmaster | Traceback (most recent call last): | 17:53 |
| dragonmaster | File "/usr/local/bin/zuul-server", line 10, in <module> | 17:53 |
| dragonmaster | sys.exit(main()) | 17:53 |
| dragonmaster | File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/zuul/cmd/server.py", line 239, in main | 17:53 |
| dragonmaster | server.main() | 17:53 |
| dragonmaster | File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/zuul/cmd/server.py", line 159, in main | 17:53 |
| dragonmaster | self.start_gear_server() | 17:53 |
| dragonmaster | File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/zuul/cmd/server.py", line 132, in start_gear_server | 17:53 |
| asselin__ | dragonmaster, use http://paste.openstack.org/ next time ^^ | 17:53 |
| dragonmaster | statsd_prefix='zuul.geard') | 17:53 |
| dragonmaster | File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/gear/__init__.py", line 2514, in __init__ | 17:53 |
| dragonmaster | raise Exception("Could not open socket") | 17:53 |
| dragonmaster | Exception: Could not open socket | 17:53 |
| dragonmaster | will do | 17:53 |
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| asselin__ | dragonmaster, I wonder if that's hard-coded in the code or a default that you need to overide in a conf file? | 17:54 |
| asselin__ | dragonmaster, either way, most folks install it using puppet: http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/puppet-zuul/ | 17:54 |
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| asselin__ | or http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/puppet-openstackci/tree/manifests/zuul_scheduler.pp | 17:55 |
| dragonmaster | we’ve addoped ansible for our openstack deployments | 17:55 |
| dragonmaster | but will definately look at the puppet | 17:55 |
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| dragonmaster | try reverse engineer and contribute back | 17:56 |
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| asselin__ | try this then: http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/ansible-role-zuul/ | 17:57 |
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| asselin__ | never used it, but I knew Paul Belanger was working it a while back...didn't realize until now that it's official | 17:58 |
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| asselin__ | dragonmaster, we have about 2 minutes left. We can continue in #openstack-infra if you like. | 17:59 |
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| stevemar | o/ | 17:59 |
| dragonmaster | thanks asselin__ | 17:59 |
| asselin__ | #endmeeting | 17:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 17:59 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Oct 4 17:59:27 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/thirdparty/2016/thirdparty.2016-10-04-17.32.html | 17:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/thirdparty/2016/thirdparty.2016-10-04-17.32.txt | 17:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/thirdparty/2016/thirdparty.2016-10-04-17.32.log.html | 17:59 |
| stevemar | #startmeeting keystone | 17:59 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Oct 4 17:59:40 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is stevemar. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:59 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 17:59 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'keystone' | 17:59 |
| stevemar | o/ | 17:59 |
| dstanek | o/ | 18:00 |
| gagehugo | o/ | 18:00 |
| lamt | o/ | 18:00 |
| lbragstad | o/ | 18:00 |
| amakarov | _\m/ | 18:00 |
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| knikolla | o/ | 18:00 |
| bknudson | hi | 18:00 |
| ayoung__ | Cannot connect via normal Chat client | 18:00 |
| raildo | _o_ | 18:00 |
| ayoung__ | using Webchat | 18:00 |
| dstanek | ayoung__: ouch | 18:01 |
| rodrigods | hey | 18:01 |
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| browne | o/ | 18:01 |
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| ayoung__ | http://adam.younglogic.com/2016/10/translating-between-rdorhos-and-upstream-releases-redux/ | 18:02 |
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| stevemar | ayoung__: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ | 18:02 |
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| ayoung | And now I can! | 18:02 |
| stevemar | let's get the show on the road! | 18:02 |
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| stevemar | hopefully this goes better than last week.... | 18:02 |
| * stevemar glares at freenode | 18:02 | |
| rodrigods | stevemar, ++ | 18:03 |
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| stevemar | ping ajayaa, amakarov, ayoung, breton, browne, crinkle, claudiub, davechen, david8hu, dolphm, dstanek, edmondsw, gagehugo, gyee, henrynash, hogepodge, htruta, jamielennox, jaugustine, joesavak, jorge_munoz, knikolla, lbragstad, MaxPC, morgan, nishaYadav, nkinder, notmorgan, raildo, rodrigods, rderose, roxanaghe, samleon, samueldmq, shaleh, stevemar, tsymanczyk, topol, vivekd, wanghong, xek | 18:03 |
| stevemar | that's twice i've forgotten to do that | 18:03 |
| * morgan ducks out to head out to the airport | 18:03 | |
| stevemar | morgan: safe travels bug | 18:03 |
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| dolphm | stevemar: how rude | 18:03 |
| stevemar | bud* | 18:03 |
| stevemar | dolphm: sorry :( | 18:03 |
| rderose | o/ | 18:04 |
| stevemar | dolphm: i would think you know the time of this meeting by now | 18:04 |
| dolphm | stevemar: daylight savings time makes it hard | 18:04 |
| stevemar | since you've been coming to it for 4 years and chaired it for 1.5 | 18:04 |
| stevemar | :) | 18:04 |
| dstanek | stevemar: when i'm focused on working i often lose track of what time it is | 18:04 |
| stevemar | dstanek: excuses, excuses | 18:04 |
| ayoung | let's do this | 18:05 |
| stevemar | agenda: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/keystone-weekly-meeting | 18:05 |
| stevemar | ayoung: ++ | 18:05 |
| stevemar | #topic Newton status | 18:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Newton status (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 18:05 | |
| stevemar | expect a final release this week based on RC2 | 18:05 |
| stevemar | dhellmann will be released all the projects this week, i assume today or tomorrow | 18:05 |
| stevemar | releasing* | 18:05 |
| stevemar | i haven't heard of anything major, and we're pretty much out of time, so... yeah :) | 18:06 |
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| stevemar | #topic Fill in all the etherpads | 18:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Fill in all the etherpads (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 18:06 | |
| stevemar | another reminder for this, sorry | 18:07 |
| stevemar | Retrospective https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/keystone-newton-retrospective | 18:07 |
| stevemar | Summit discussion ideas: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/keystone-ocata-summit-brainstorm | 18:07 |
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| topol | o/ | 18:07 |
| stevemar | i'll be making the design session schedule at EOW, so make sure you include something you want to talk about in the etherpad | 18:07 |
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| * stevemar waves at topol | 18:07 | |
| stevemar | Now on to the fun stuff | 18:08 |
| stevemar | #topic Triage bug 1630259 | 18:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Triage bug 1630259 (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 18:08 | |
| openstack | bug 1630259 in OpenStack Identity (keystone) "Rolling upgrade does not work well in Newton release" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1630259 | 18:08 |
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| stevemar | This appeared yesterday, its related to upgrading to newton, so kinda critical. Does anyone have time to triage / verify it? | 18:08 |
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| stevemar | this happened this morning* | 18:08 |
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| lbragstad | I can give it a shot | 18:09 |
| stevemar | crinkle: it reminds me of the bug you fixed earlier, where domain_id was causing issues with the cache and upgrades | 18:09 |
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| stevemar | it definitely seems like a data model problem -- the good news is once all nodes were upgraded to newton the problem no longer appears | 18:10 |
| stevemar | so it's definitely something we should backport | 18:10 |
| stevemar | lbragstad: thanks for volunteering | 18:10 |
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| stevemar | if anyone else is intereted in helping out, poke lbragstad | 18:11 |
| stevemar | #topic Address skipped tests | 18:11 |
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| stevemar | 1493 out of 6500 tests are skipped, this seems high | 18:11 |
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| stevemar | like, really high | 18:12 |
| dolphm | wow | 18:12 |
| bknudson | these are typically because something isn't supported by LDAP | 18:12 |
| stevemar | i know a bunch are LDAP related, but still... | 18:12 |
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| rodrigods | bknudson, ++ | 18:12 |
| stevemar | anyone want to do some sort of analysis here? | 18:12 |
| knikolla | I'm in charge of removing ldap write support, so i'm already in the area for this thing | 18:12 |
| knikolla | i'll look | 18:13 |
| dolphm | do we know it's ldap related, or is that an assumption? | 18:13 |
| stevemar | knikolla: makes sense to me | 18:13 |
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| dolphm | it could be (for example) all the "opportunistic" tests being skipped | 18:13 |
| stevemar | dolphm: last time i looked at the backend tests for ldap there were many | 18:13 |
| breton | some of the tests are skipped by design | 18:13 |
| knikolla | i remember seeing a lot of ldap tests skipped, but i haven't looked in other areas | 18:13 |
| breton | if caching is not enabled, for example | 18:13 |
| dolphm | ++ but maybe mistakenly skipped suddenly | 18:14 |
| knikolla | so can't compare | 18:14 |
| stevemar | dolphm: i actually added skips since we removed write support for ldap | 18:14 |
| bknudson | removing write support from ldap will likely lead to more skipped tests | 18:14 |
| stevemar | yeah | 18:14 |
| knikolla | skipped for a pretty good reason though. | 18:15 |
| bknudson | could be refactored to have write tests in a separate class that's only run for sql backend | 18:15 |
| stevemar | yes, thats what i was thinking. might be time to refactor the tests | 18:15 |
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| stevemar | knikolla: this is going to get nasty :) | 18:15 |
| knikolla | hmmm.... yeah.... | 18:16 |
| stevemar | a preliminary analysis should reveal a lot | 18:16 |
| knikolla | stevemar: i volunteered for the analysis only for now :P | 18:16 |
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| stevemar | if only half the ldap tests are revealed to be LDAP related, we're still not in good shape | 18:16 |
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| stevemar | knikolla: i'll add you to the agenda for next week then | 18:16 |
| knikolla | stevemar: sounds good | 18:17 |
| stevemar | any other comments? | 18:17 |
| stevemar | #topic Devstack plugin for federation | 18:18 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Devstack plugin for federation (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 18:18 | |
| stevemar | knikolla: you're up | 18:18 |
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| knikolla | alright, so the devstack plugin is waiting for people to give it a spin and give reviews | 18:18 |
| knikolla | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/320623/ | 18:18 |
| knikolla | it sets up federation using shibboleth | 18:18 |
| knikolla | and also sets up k2k. i've tested it in ubuntu 14.04 and 16.04 and also fedora (a while ago though) | 18:19 |
| knikolla | what i haven't tested is using generic IdP, instead of k2k | 18:19 |
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| knikolla | in /devstack/README.rst theres documentation on how to set it up | 18:19 |
| rodrigods | this has been on my todo list for a while :( | 18:19 |
| * breton ducks too | 18:20 | |
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| jamielennox | nice, what's the id store behind shib? | 18:20 |
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| stevemar | jamielennox: probably nothing fancy :P | 18:21 |
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| knikolla | it can setup the sp or idp separately depending on configuration. | 18:21 |
| breton | it sets up shibboleth for the sp side | 18:21 |
| knikolla | so id store depends on your idp. i've tested k2k. | 18:22 |
| stevemar | knikolla: reviewing it and trying it has been on my todo list for a while | 18:22 |
| stevemar | knikolla: is there a check job that runs the setup? | 18:22 |
| breton | it would be great to write more tests using this set up | 18:22 |
| knikolla | feel free to ping me at anytime in the regular room if you have issues or questions | 18:22 |
| knikolla | stevemar: not yet | 18:22 |
| breton | stevemar: how do we do that? | 18:22 |
| stevemar | breton: that's my next question, are there any tests that we run with this setup | 18:22 |
| stevemar | breton: there are a few ways we could tackle that | 18:23 |
| knikolla | stevemar: rodrigo has a few patches with tests | 18:23 |
| breton | stevemar: there are some tests by rodrigods afaik. But we need more. | 18:23 |
| rodrigods | ++ | 18:23 |
| stevemar | we could create a dsvm job and create a post_hook.sh file that calls knikolla's setup | 18:23 |
| rodrigods | we need tests for k2k | 18:23 |
| stevemar | best bet would be to talk to the infra team | 18:24 |
| dolphm | could we run against testshib.org in tests for the non-k2k case? | 18:24 |
| dolphm | (in the gate) | 18:24 |
| stevemar | dolphm: probbaly | 18:24 |
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| dolphm | i have no idea how reliable it is, or if we could run our own in the gate, etc | 18:24 |
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| knikolla | it'll be nonvoting for a while, so we can test the reliability. if its good enough | 18:25 |
| stevemar | registering seems like the hardest part, and can be automated; http://www.testshib.org/register.html | 18:25 |
| stevemar | knikolla: YEP | 18:25 |
| stevemar | oops, yep | 18:25 |
| jamielennox | does a project only get one plugin and then provide flags within it? | 18:26 |
| knikolla | jamielennox: yes | 18:26 |
| stevemar | looks like you have to upload the metadata, manually :( | 18:27 |
| knikolla | jamielennox: but plugins can either live inside devstack (like ldap) or in separate plugin repos, or in the project repo | 18:27 |
| ayoung | Should do LDAP the same way, but I was holding out for FreeIPA and Zuul 3 | 18:27 |
| stevemar | "Upload your uniquely named metadata file using the form below." | 18:27 |
| hrybacki | o/ | 18:27 |
| stevemar | hrybacki: long time no see | 18:27 |
| ayoung | hrybacki, just talking functional testing...thought you might be interested | 18:28 |
| hrybacki | aye stevemar agreed. Hope all has been well :) | 18:28 |
| jamielennox | knikolla: that's ok, i was just looking at how we would extend this if we wanted to, whether this would be a k2k plugin or if it's the keystone plugin that can do multiple tasks | 18:28 |
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| knikolla | jamielennox: it's pretty easy to extend via flags | 18:28 |
| jamielennox | for example, shib -> ldap locally would probably be easier than testshib - though hard to setup users | 18:28 |
| stevemar | knikolla: i'll bug the infra team with you about creating a job after the meeting | 18:28 |
| ayoung | Can shib be backed to LDAP? | 18:29 |
| stevemar | ayoung: fo sho | 18:29 |
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| ayoung | stevemar, if we do that, we could add tasks to ensure that userids from one can match the other ... | 18:29 |
| ayoung | have users in LDAP that are also exposed as Federated users via SAML | 18:30 |
| stevemar | ayoung: i can dig it | 18:30 |
| jamielennox | ayoung: ya, reading https://wiki.shibboleth.net/confluence/display/IDP30/LDAPAuthnConfiguration | 18:30 |
| stevemar | ayoung: that'll test the shadow user bits | 18:30 |
| ayoung | right | 18:31 |
| stevemar | these are all good ideas, but we should review the patch and get a non-voting job for now | 18:31 |
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| jamielennox | yep | 18:31 |
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| stevemar | knikolla: be sure to bug dstanek -- he promised me he would look at testing this cycle :) | 18:31 |
| rodrigods | stevemar, knikolla for reference in creating a job https://review.openstack.org/#/c/298696/ | 18:31 |
| knikolla | stevemar: roger | 18:31 |
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| stevemar | any other questions or comments? | 18:32 |
| jamielennox | looks good - i'll try and give it a go today | 18:32 |
| stevemar | i'll try soon, weekend if i can't get to it this week | 18:32 |
| stevemar | #topic midcycle fallout | 18:33 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "midcycle fallout (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 18:33 | |
| dstanek | fallout? | 18:33 |
| stevemar | eh, couldn't think of the right word | 18:33 |
| stevemar | basically, we had a list of TODOs at the midcycle, with names attached and i'm calling people out now (buhahaha) | 18:34 |
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| stevemar | not really meant to be mean, just wanted to know if the TODOs are still applicable | 18:34 |
| stevemar | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-July/100299.html | 18:34 |
| stevemar | ayoung: Modify policy files of each project so they can use “is_admin_project” and document how to upgrade | 18:34 |
| stevemar | henrynash: Write up a reseller spec using sub domains including the auth URL idea | 18:34 |
| stevemar | henrynash: Change federation shadow mapping to use the existing ID mapping (LDAP already uses it) | 18:34 |
| stevemar | bknudson: Propose patches to oslo.policy for improvements to external authorization | 18:34 |
| ayoung | - Modify policy files of each project so they can use “is_admin_project” | 18:34 |
| ayoung | and document how to upgrade | 18:34 |
| stevemar | lamt: Create a spec for notifications for PCI events | 18:34 |
| ayoung | yeah, we are just now at the point where we can make use of that. Its on the list for early next cycle | 18:35 |
| stevemar | henrynash being the biggest culprit this time around | 18:35 |
| amakarov | stevemar, btw, there is no my RBAC service + middleware PoC there | 18:35 |
| stevemar | ayoung: cool - i figured as much, i know you've been working that topic in bursts when you have time | 18:35 |
| stevemar | amakarov: i will happily add it | 18:35 |
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| bknudson | stevemar: regarding "Propose patches to oslo.policy for improvements to external authorization" -- with change in strategy I don't know if this is a requirement for us or anybody else anymore | 18:35 |
| ayoung | stevemar, its beeen jamielennox doing the heavy lifting. But needed to happen first. | 18:36 |
| jamielennox | so keystone is about the only project that doesn't do is_admin_project in some way or another: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/371856/ | 18:36 |
| stevemar | bknudson: also something i assumed... | 18:36 |
| stevemar | bknudson: thanks for letting me know, i'll update my notes | 18:36 |
| lamt | stevemar: A spec for the pci notifications was checked in yesterday. | 18:36 |
| stevemar | lamt: yes it was! | 18:36 |
| stevemar | lamt: thanks for that, i have it open in a tab, will review soon | 18:36 |
| lamt | stevemar: thanks | 18:36 |
| stevemar | so henrynash is the troublemaker? :) | 18:37 |
| stevemar | topol: ^ | 18:37 |
| topol | stevemar, how so? | 18:37 |
| stevemar | topol: just kidding :) | 18:37 |
| stevemar | i'lll follow up with henrynash when i get a chance | 18:37 |
| topol | henrynash is a good egg | 18:37 |
| stevemar | thanks for the updated bknudson, ayoung, amakarov and lamt | 18:38 |
| stevemar | i've made notes accordingly | 18:38 |
| stevemar | #topic open discussion | 18:38 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 18:38 | |
| stevemar | who's coming to barcelona? who's already booked? who's presenting? | 18:38 |
| topol | open TODOs? | 18:39 |
| topol | just idding | 18:39 |
| dolphm | lamt: link? | 18:39 |
| stevemar | dolphm: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/381302/ | 18:39 |
| dstanek | i'll won't be there | 18:39 |
| lbragstad | ditto | 18:39 |
| stevemar | :sadface: | 18:39 |
| topol | I will be in attendance. Presenting interoperability challenge results | 18:39 |
| * rodrigods has https://www.openstack.org/summit/barcelona-2016/summit-schedule/events/15560/pushing-your-qa-upstream | 18:39 | |
| rodrigods | please don't go | 18:39 |
| rodrigods | :) | 18:40 |
| jamielennox | ayoung, dolphm: i put up a spec with the fetching expired token stuff: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/381361/ - i didn't reuse an existing one | 18:40 |
| ayoung | I'm coming. Splitting my time between Keystone and Tripleo | 18:40 |
| jamielennox | dstanek, lbragstad: :( | 18:40 |
| breton | i will be and already booked | 18:40 |
| ayoung | jamielennox, OK. | 18:40 |
| dolphm | stevemar: lamt: awesome, thanks | 18:40 |
| stevemar | rodrigods: i'll be there in the front seat | 18:40 |
| browne | i'll be there | 18:40 |
| breton | have to miss GSoC summit because of it :( | 18:40 |
| jamielennox | i'm coming | 18:40 |
| rodrigods | stevemar, nooo | 18:40 |
| dolphm | jamielennox: oooh | 18:40 |
| hrybacki | I'd like to take a LHF bug off of launchapd and walk through the replication/patch/ci process using oooq if anyone can recommend something they think would be a good fit for this? | 18:40 |
| knikolla | already booked | 18:40 |
| hrybacki | also, have fun in Barcelona y'all :( | 18:40 |
| ayoung | oooq being Tripleo-Quickstart.... | 18:41 |
| knikolla | and have a vbrownbag talk | 18:41 |
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| rderose | I'll be there | 18:41 |
| stevemar | knikolla: what about? | 18:41 |
| hrybacki | ayoung: yes ty, tune to your audience | 18:41 |
| ayoung | ++ | 18:41 |
| knikolla | stevemar: the usual "Resource Federation in a Multi-Landlord Cloud" | 18:41 |
| stevemar | knikolla: nice. anyone else presenting? | 18:42 |
| hrybacki | basically my goal is to make TripleO-Quickstart a better tool for developers -- and this seems like a good way to help Keystone in tandem | 18:42 |
| knikolla | it's 6 minutes of presentation time :P | 18:42 |
| knikolla | or was it 12 :P | 18:42 |
| stevemar | hrybacki: you can use the tag to find LHF, but i'm not sure we have anything atm | 18:42 |
| stevemar | knikolla: so i'm hearing a "no" :) | 18:43 |
| ayoung | WTF is LHF | 18:43 |
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| stevemar | low-hanging-fruit | 18:43 |
| rodrigods | low hanging fruit | 18:43 |
| hrybacki | stevemar: aye. I see a few. ayoung low hanging fruit :P | 18:43 |
| knikolla | stevemar: gsilvis is also presenting with me | 18:43 |
| stevemar | it took me a while to guess what hrybacki was talking about :) | 18:43 |
| * rodrigods hunted LHF bugs when entering the openstack world | 18:44 | |
| stevemar | i know it's hard to organize, but i'll try to find a day for all of us to get together | 18:44 |
| stevemar | for dinner of course | 18:44 |
| hrybacki | great I'll review these -- is there someone in particular I can use as a point person for questions? | 18:44 |
| stevemar | summits are harder than midcycles though :\ | 18:44 |
| ayoung | Sour grapse | 18:44 |
| rodrigods | stevemar, for beer of course | 18:44 |
| ayoung | grapes even | 18:45 |
| hrybacki | rodrigods: I did too! For keystone actually | 18:45 |
| rodrigods | hrybacki, ++ | 18:46 |
| dstanek | hrybacki: they keystone channel :-) | 18:46 |
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| stevemar | sounds like it'll be a good crowd going :) | 18:46 |
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| stevemar | with some folks sorely missed :( | 18:47 |
| lbragstad | stevemar take good notes ;) | 18:47 |
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| stevemar | lbragstad: will do sir | 18:47 |
| ayoung | We done? | 18:47 |
| stevemar | lbragstad / dstanek / others that aren't going... let me know in advanced if you want to discuss something | 18:48 |
| stevemar | ayoung: yep | 18:48 |
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| stevemar | thanks for the time everyone | 18:48 |
| stevemar | o\ | 18:48 |
| stevemar | #endmeeting | 18:48 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 18:48 | |
| breton | what is o\? | 18:48 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Oct 4 18:48:31 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:48 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2016/keystone.2016-10-04-17.59.html | 18:48 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2016/keystone.2016-10-04-17.59.txt | 18:48 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2016/keystone.2016-10-04-17.59.log.html | 18:48 |
| stevemar | breton: a salute, of course! | 18:48 |
| hrybacki | breton: a salute maybe? | 18:48 |
| fungi | slow week for keystoners? | 18:48 |
| stevemar | fungi: yep, it was welcomed :) | 18:49 |
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| breton | oooh, ok | 18:49 |
| stevemar | fungi: i can't recall the last time i ended a meeting early | 18:49 |
| stevemar | and not at 14:59 | 18:49 |
| fungi | awesome | 18:49 |
| dstanek | woot! i love it when a meeting ends early | 18:49 |
| fungi | almost as good as when a plan comes together | 18:50 |
| stevemar | gotta give the people what they want | 18:50 |
| stevemar | hehe | 18:50 |
| stevemar | fungi: maybe that was dstanek's plan all along o_O | 18:50 |
| dstanek | fungi: ++ | 18:50 |
| dstanek | fungi: that's a close #2 | 18:50 |
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| fungi | and now i have the a-team theme music stuck in my head. i should have known better | 18:51 |
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| stevemar | fungi: the movie reboot is better than the original | 18:52 |
| stevemar | fungi: jk :) | 18:52 |
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| stevemar | don't ban me from all channels | 18:52 |
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| fungi | i didn't need to know there was a movie reboot. now i really feel old | 18:52 |
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| stevemar | fungi: it was bad, just forget i mentioned anything at all :P | 18:53 |
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| anteaya | stevemar: not a chance | 18:56 |
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| stevemar | anteaya: :) | 18:58 |
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| * jeblair waits for the reboot of airwolf | 19:00 | |
| pleia2 | o/ | 19:00 |
| * fungi shudders | 19:00 | |
| bkero | o/ | 19:00 |
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| pleia2 | jeblair: hahaha | 19:01 |
| fungi | infra team, assemble! | 19:01 |
| clarkb | hello | 19:01 |
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| SotK | o/ | 19:01 |
| Zara | o/ | 19:01 |
| fungi | this week's topics proposed by jeblair, zaro, ildikov, ianychoi, fungi | 19:01 |
| anteaya | ha ha ha | 19:01 |
| hashar | o/ | 19:01 |
| ianw | hello | 19:01 |
| ildikov | o/ | 19:01 |
| zaro | o/ | 19:02 |
| ildikov | is the meeting started? | 19:02 |
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| anteaya | ildikov: not yet | 19:02 |
| hashar | meetbot is unavailable apparently | 19:02 |
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| anteaya | this is the gathering at the door and shaking hands bit | 19:02 |
| fungi | nah, i usually just wait a couple minutes for people to put down their pens and pencils | 19:02 |
| ildikov | hashar: ah, ok | 19:03 |
| pleia2 | pick up our burritos | 19:03 |
| fungi | #startmeeting infra | 19:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Oct 4 19:03:11 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is fungi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:03 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'infra' | 19:03 |
| fungi | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/InfraTeamMeeting#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 19:03 |
| clarkb | I don't have a burrito :( | 19:03 |
| anteaya | :( | 19:03 |
| fungi | #topic Announcements | 19:03 |
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| Shrews | fungi: i'm keeping my quill handy though | 19:03 |
| fungi | #info reminder: fungi will be on vacation October 8-16; pleia2 has generously agreed to chair the October 11 meeting instead | 19:03 |
| fungi | Shrews: of course you will | 19:03 |
| fungi | as always, feel free to hit me up with announcements you want included in future meetings | 19:03 |
| rcarrillocruz | o/ | 19:04 |
| fungi | #topic Actions from last meeting | 19:04 |
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| fungi | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2016/infra.2016-09-27-19.02.html | 19:04 |
| fungi | 1. (none) | 19:04 |
| fungi | that was a remarkably successful week ;) | 19:04 |
| Zara | :) | 19:04 |
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| fungi | #topic Specs approval | 19:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Specs approval (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:04 | |
| fungi | nothing new this week on the agenda, though jeblair has a couple of updates for a priority spec | 19:04 |
| fungi | which is next on our agenda | 19:05 |
| fungi | #topic Priority Efforts: Zuul v3 (jeblair) | 19:05 |
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| fungi | looks like you have a couple of changes for the zuulv3 spec to discuss? | 19:05 |
| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/381329 Zuul v3: update with Ansible role information | 19:05 |
| jeblair | ya, as promised last week, i wrote up the things we discussed needed changing while in germany | 19:05 |
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| jeblair | that one probably merits the most discussion | 19:05 |
| jeblair | so i wanted to bring it to people's attention | 19:06 |
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| jeblair | i think we're all in agreement on the general principle (zuul needs to do this), but there are some more options than we considered as to *how* it should do it | 19:06 |
| jeblair | so, i guess bash it out in the change review and we'll see if we can get to consensus soon | 19:07 |
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| jeblair | #link https://review.openstack.org/381330 Zuul v3: correct vagueness in describing job inheritance | 19:07 |
| fungi | it does have some implications on security/stability i guess, if we have role dependencies in ansible galaxy | 19:07 |
| jeblair | that one is more of a 'catch the spec up with reality' change | 19:08 |
| fungi | er, i was talking about the first one of course | 19:08 |
| jeblair | fungi: indeed | 19:08 |
| jeblair | fungi: i think we would not want to have external role dependencies for many of our jobs | 19:08 |
| fungi | wonder how often a change to an external role will break jobs depending on it, similar to the disruption from runtime dependencies of projects changing | 19:08 |
| jeblair | fungi: but i think it could be really useful for, say, advanced ansible-openstack jobs (which are likely doing exactly that today, just *within* the job) | 19:08 |
| fungi | agreed, it's effectively already being done in their jobs | 19:09 |
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| jeblair | fungi: and i think that's the reason it ultimately doesn't really change the failure rate, etc | 19:09 |
| jeblair | fungi: though... we do have the opportunity to have zuul auto-retry things in that case | 19:09 |
| clarkb | ya I don't foresee them being a super common thing. Most of it is going to be bottled up in the infra roles to do common stuff I expect | 19:09 |
| jeblair | fungi: (failure of a known job pre-requisite is something we can safely retry (for a fixed number of times)) | 19:10 |
| jeblair | clarkb: yep | 19:10 |
| fungi | totally makes sense. thanks | 19:10 |
| jeblair | [lacking further questions, eot from me] | 19:10 |
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| fungi | on the second change, this is basically clarifying that parameters redefined in later templates take the last definition, rather than an earlier one? | 19:11 |
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| fungi | and otherwise is a union of parameters found in each template i guess | 19:13 |
| jeblair | fungi: well, it's more subtle than that | 19:13 |
| fungi | hrm, it doesn't actually address redefinition of a parameter | 19:13 |
| jeblair | fungi: i don't think it actually addresses multiple templates including the same job | 19:13 |
| jeblair | fungi: what it does is say that if you invoke "py27" it's going to run a py27 job based on the parameters specified in all of the py27 jobs which match that change | 19:14 |
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| jeblair | fungi: (so if you have py27 defined globally, and then a variant for a stable branch, and then a variant for the project in question, it's going to include information from all of those (in that order)) | 19:14 |
| jeblair | fungi: individual parameters usually get overriden, though one or two get appended, i think | 19:15 |
| fungi | and combine them into a single job | 19:15 |
| jeblair | yep | 19:15 |
| jeblair | (so if you say "py27 on stable branches should run on trusty" and "py27 for nova should be non-voting" then the py27 job for a nova stable branch will be non-voting and on trusty) | 19:16 |
| fungi | okay, so externalizing the branching logic into a composition layer scheme instead of having to do branching logic in the job by checking those different facets | 19:16 |
| jeblair | yep. i think it much more closely matches what we want to say | 19:16 |
| fungi | yea, this is good. i think it gets us to a much more human-readable configuration | 19:17 |
| jeblair | not a regex in sight | 19:17 |
| jeblair | (you can still regex on file matches) | 19:17 |
| clarkb | and no interpolation to think about | 19:17 |
| jeblair | yep. we may get to the point where we forget that there's a py27 variant for stable branches.... | 19:18 |
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| jeblair | so we might want some logging or to otherwise expose the variants that zuul applied in constructing the job for ease of debugging | 19:18 |
| jeblair | but i think it will still be understandable | 19:19 |
| fungi | this second change seems to be pretty popular. a few rollcall votes already and no requests for alteration. it's only been up for a day but maybe we put it up for a council vote until thursday? | 19:19 |
| jeblair | sounds good | 19:19 |
| jeblair | the other one we should probably let cook until next week | 19:19 |
| fungi | the first change looks like jhesketh and mordred are still going back and forth yeah | 19:20 |
| mordred | I like to go back and forth with people | 19:20 |
| fungi | #info Council voting remains open on "Zuul v3: correct vagueness in describing job inheritance" until 19:00 UTC on Thursday, October 6. | 19:20 |
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| fungi | thanks jeblair! | 19:21 |
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| jeblair | np! | 19:21 |
| fungi | #topic Feedback on Gerrit plugin to display zuuls cross repo `needed-by` reference (zaro) | 19:21 |
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| mordred | fungi: I'll try to write more words to jhesketh | 19:21 |
| zaro | i was wondering whether there was interest in this | 19:21 |
| zaro | http://138.68.20.113:8080/#/c/7/ | 19:22 |
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| zaro | sorry, should have probably put it on review-dev.o.o | 19:22 |
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| zaro | it's the depends-on and needed-by thing in red | 19:22 |
| zaro | red means there is a cycle | 19:23 |
| jeblair | zaro: the needed-by is based on a reverse query of the index? | 19:23 |
| jeblair | zaro: oh that's neat :) | 19:23 |
| zaro | yes | 19:23 |
| pleia2 | oh, that's nice | 19:23 |
| clarkb | the way I have always wanted that to be rendered is as a git subway graph | 19:23 |
| zaro | i've added rest endpoint for it | 19:23 |
| clarkb | and incorporate proper git parent child relationships too | 19:23 |
| fungi | at one point there was a discussion of having it over where the related changes end up in the new change screen, rather than putting this in a part of the ui where gerrit has stopped displaying dependencies | 19:23 |
| clarkb | (beacuse in current gerrit it is really hard to see those relationships) | 19:24 |
| clarkb | in any case I like having the info available maybe we can extend it to also include proper parent child info | 19:24 |
| zaro | clarkb: ok, maybe this could be first step. becuase it would have help me out a lot when tying a bunch of xrepo dependencies together | 19:24 |
| jeblair | ++ | 19:25 |
| fungi | yeah, i'm not a fan of the new gerrit "related changes" box, but having the commit message scraped depends-on relationships in a completely separate part of the ui seems a little strange | 19:25 |
| pabelanger | I like the idea | 19:25 |
| pleia2 | zaro: seems reasonable as a first step | 19:25 |
| zaro | fungi: yeah, no extension point at this time. but can be adapter in that location later | 19:25 |
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| fungi | zaro: as an interim solution, i agree this is useful | 19:25 |
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| fungi | until the webui has a means of letting you integrate it better into the related changes box | 19:26 |
| zaro | cool. i'll clean up and make it avaiable for whenever you guys decide to use it. | 19:26 |
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| zaro | thanks. | 19:26 |
| fungi | is there an associated api call to look these up, or will other tools (e.g. gertty) need to continue to rely on a message: query? | 19:26 |
| pleia2 | thanks zaro! | 19:26 |
| clarkb | maybe we can provide that thing in addition to related chagnes sort of like what is there now? | 19:26 |
| zaro | fungi: yes, there a rest endpoint | 19:26 |
| clarkb | basically let gerrit proper do the silly thing then have a plugin or whatever that shows the richer graph | 19:26 |
| fungi | zaro: nice! | 19:27 |
| clarkb | but ya I like having that info regardless of shinyness | 19:27 |
| fungi | so maybe gertty will be able to grow needs-by lookups | 19:27 |
| fungi | er, needed-by | 19:27 |
| zaro | yeah, should be no problem with this plugin | 19:28 |
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| fungi | okay, anything else on this topic before i move on? | 19:28 |
| zaro | https://github.com/zaro0508/dependson/blob/master/src/main/resources/Documentation/rest-api-changes.md | 19:28 |
| fungi | #link https://github.com/zaro0508/dependson/blob/master/src/main/resources/Documentation/rest-api-changes.md | 19:28 |
| fungi | awesome | 19:28 |
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| zaro | nothing else | 19:29 |
| fungi | i've reordered the other topics to move mine to the end of the agenda, in case we run short on time | 19:29 |
| jeblair | zaro: oh one thing | 19:29 |
| jeblair | zaro: we may end up extending the depends-on syntax in zuulv3, but i imagine the current syntax will continue to work | 19:29 |
| jeblair | zaro: (just be aware it may eventually also grow the ability to say "Depends-On: <some github change thing>" etc | 19:30 |
| zaro | thanks for the heads up. the plugin will be hosted on gerit repo | 19:30 |
| zaro | i think i'll call it 'dependson' plugin | 19:30 |
| anteaya | descriptive name | 19:30 |
| mordred | much better than what I would have named it | 19:30 |
| anteaya | indeed | 19:31 |
| pleia2 | hehe | 19:31 |
| zaro | well good, i guess that's the hardest part :) | 19:31 |
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| fungi | #topic Storyboard vs. LP for openstack-dev/sandbox repository (ildikov, ianychoi) | 19:32 |
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| ildikov | o/ | 19:32 |
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| ildikov | tl;dr we are working on the upstream training content and one the blocks is tracking of items | 19:33 |
| anteaya | there is a patch | 19:33 |
| fungi | #link https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/2000734 Storyboard vs. Launchpad for new contributor trainings | 19:33 |
| ildikov | as most of the projects are still using LP the idea was to create a sandbox project there | 19:33 |
| ildikov | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/375834/ | 19:33 |
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| anteaya | thank you | 19:34 |
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| ildikov | so currently we would like to teach the students the current tools | 19:34 |
| ildikov | this is what we would need the LP sandbox page for | 19:34 |
| anteaya | #link https://launchpad.net/openstack-dev-sandbox | 19:35 |
| fungi | i think i'm fine with moving the sandbox repo off storyboard for the time being, since it's not really an infra project and i can see how having its bug integration tied to storyboard sort of makes it a training issue | 19:35 |
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| anteaya | I'm fine with either one or the other, I don't care which just not both | 19:35 |
| fungi | i don't recall why we migrated it to storyboard (or if we even stopped to think about the implication of doing so) | 19:36 |
| ildikov | additionally we plan to introduce storyboard too, but would go deeper into it, when it's more widely used | 19:36 |
| Zara | cool, I was wondering if anyone being trained was likely to then contribute to a project using storyboard or not | 19:36 |
| ildikov | hmm, was it originally a LP project? I mean sandbox | 19:36 |
| clarkb | ildikov: are you specifically looking to show people the integration between lp and gerrit? (I think just about everything else can be done with this) | 19:36 |
| clarkb | (I also have no problem with the change if that is the goal) | 19:36 |
| ildikov | clarkb: we plan to show the whole workflow without messing up any project page/repo | 19:37 |
| fungi | right, given that most new contributors are going to be shown to add closes:bug: lines to their commits and whatnot, having them see the integration with lp makes more sense until a majority of projects have moved from lp to sb | 19:37 |
| ildikov | clarkb: so in this sense including Gerrit, yes | 19:37 |
| anteaya | ildikov: everything was originally on launchpad, though I don't think we had a sandbox group on launchpad before | 19:37 |
| clarkb | fungi: yup | 19:37 |
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| Zara | I'm +1 for giving training for whatever tools are going to be used by the people being trained, so to me it would depend what projects they're going to be working on, anyway. :) | 19:38 |
| ildikov | anteaya: right, I didn't remember the sandbox one, not following the training that long either though, so wasn't impossible :) | 19:38 |
| fungi | i expect we'll switch the sandbox repo to interact with storyboard soonish, but with training activity ramping up at the summit now is not a good time to start pushing that transition | 19:38 |
| anteaya | ildikov: its a good question, I dont think the sandbox repo ever had its own launchpad page before | 19:39 |
| fungi | so anyway, anyone disagree about having an lp sandbox project in the interim? | 19:39 |
| ildikov | Zara: we don't have a list of projects what to show, but people are usually interested in Nova and/or other core services, which haven't switched yet | 19:39 |
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| anteaya | fungi: I do not disagree | 19:39 |
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| anteaya | so the change to the patch would be to remove the use storyboard: true rule | 19:40 |
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| anteaya | and to remove it from storyboard | 19:40 |
| fungi | i can look into what needs to be cleaned up in sb, or we could just ignore any already imported cruft in there if there is any in there | 19:40 |
| SotK | yep, training explaining LP and also StoryBoard seems like a good plan, and I guess using LP with sandbox is the most sensible, given the current distribution of projects | 19:40 |
| pleia2 | ++ | 19:40 |
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| ildikov | SotK: our thinking exactly | 19:41 |
| SotK | (there are 15 stories against sandbox in storyboard.o.o, one about this question and the rest look like test stories) | 19:41 |
| fungi | #agreed For the sake of training, we should switch the openstack-dev/sandbox repo to interact with Launchpad until a majority of official OpenStack repos have moved from there to Storyboard. | 19:41 |
| ildikov | fungi: if you can point me or ianychoi to what needs to be cleaned up we are happy to do that | 19:41 |
| anteaya | ildikov: we will comment on the patch | 19:42 |
| fungi | SotK: i expect we can just ignore the sandbox project in sb, and let people continue to use it to test out sb for now (sans gerrit integration, which can be demonstrated with review-dev and storyboard-dev if needed) | 19:42 |
| ildikov | anteaya: great, thank you! | 19:42 |
| SotK | fungi: I agree | 19:42 |
| Zara | yeah, storyboard-dev is already a massive playground for testing storyboard | 19:42 |
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| Zara | so it's easy enough to direct people there if they're curious | 19:43 |
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| fungi | and when the time comes to import projects, we can probably skip importing the sandbox-related project on lp into sb | 19:43 |
| anteaya | ildikov: commented | 19:43 |
| anteaya | ildikov: thanks for attending the meeting and for the hard work you and ianychoi and the rest of the training folks are doing | 19:44 |
| fungi | just switch it back to sb at that point and ignore that the old lp bugs in it weren't imported (or import them, i guess the odds of a collision on story bumbers are unlikely given the starting offset we picked) | 19:44 |
| Zara | hehe | 19:44 |
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| anteaya | fungi: do you want to leave the use-storyboard: true rule in project-config? | 19:44 |
| fungi | s/bumbers/numbers/ | 19:44 |
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| anteaya | I thought we were not doing both | 19:45 |
| ildikov | anteaya: sure, on boarding is important, so we are trying to put a bit more effort into doing a good job with it | 19:45 |
| fungi | anteaya: no, we'd remove use-storyboard in projects.yaml and add the groups entry | 19:45 |
| fungi | thanks ildikov and ianychoi! | 19:45 |
| anteaya | fungi: ah great, yes that is the direction my comment took | 19:45 |
| anteaya | ildikov: thank you | 19:45 |
| fungi | we'll follow up on the review and, if necessary, can help in #openstack-infra if you run into issues with it | 19:46 |
| fungi | #topic Infra PTG presence in Atlanta (fungi) | 19:46 |
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| fungi | the project team gathering looks like it's going to be february 20-24 in atlanta | 19:46 |
| ildikov | fungi: great, thank you! | 19:46 |
| fungi | horizontal teams get monday and tuesday, vertical teams wednesday through friday (roughly, depending a bit on room availability) | 19:46 |
| fungi | diablo_rojo and ttx reached out to ptls wanting to know whether our teams are likely to attend | 19:46 |
| fungi | so this is an open question for the team... who expects to be able to make it? | 19:46 |
| fungi | for the whole week or just part? | 19:47 |
| anteaya | is this how we register to attend? | 19:47 |
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| fungi | this is how we try to help them figure out how much space will be needed | 19:47 |
| anteaya | if yes, I would like to register to attend please | 19:47 |
| ttx | anteaya: no, there will be registration after we have an idea of how many teams will show up | 19:47 |
| anteaya | I thought the venue already had a space limit | 19:47 |
| ttx | Probably in November or so | 19:47 |
| fungi | i expect to be there, though it's an easy flight for me and possibly not for others | 19:48 |
| clarkb | I expect to be there all week | 19:48 |
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| pabelanger | fungi: pending travel approval, I expect to be there all week | 19:48 |
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| fungi | and yeah, the idea is that we pick vertical teams we want to help hack on for the latter part of the week | 19:48 |
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| jeblair | monday is a us holiday | 19:48 |
| fungi | so this is a great opportunity for some cross-team interaction | 19:48 |
| fungi | jeblair: the e-mail said "monday optional" | 19:49 |
| fungi | presumably for that reason | 19:49 |
| clarkb | jeblair: modnay of barcelona summit is a holiday there too. maybe its a new trend | 19:49 |
| fungi | though, i mean, the entire event is optional, so i don't really know what the implication of that option is ;) | 19:49 |
| jeblair | plus, it's like the worst weekend to try to ski in the us, so i'm happy to date-shift it anyway :) | 19:49 |
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| anteaya | clarkb: yeah, not a trend I'm a fan of | 19:50 |
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| rcarrillocruz | if i get budget for it, i'd be all week myself too... | 19:50 |
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| zaro | i must have missed the memo on on PTG, can some give me one line summary? | 19:50 |
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| fungi | zaro: that's a tough one to distill | 19:51 |
| anteaya | zaro: mid-cycles for all the teams at once, in the same locatoin | 19:51 |
| zaro | or link ? | 19:51 |
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| anteaya | location | 19:51 |
| pabelanger | zaro: https://www.openstack.org/ptg/ | 19:51 |
| zaro | thanks | 19:51 |
| anteaya | zaro: the design summit without the conference | 19:51 |
| fungi | except not really mid-cycles, because the summit becomes our mid-cycles | 19:51 |
| anteaya | but not called the design summit | 19:52 |
| rcarrillocruz | do we know already the location, as the hotel/whatever | 19:52 |
| fungi | right | 19:52 |
| rcarrillocruz | ? | 19:52 |
| Zara | if I ever recover from my last brush with Atlanta airport security, I'll ask about travel. | 19:52 |
| rcarrillocruz | ttx, fungi ^ | 19:52 |
| pabelanger | fungi: See, I thought it was for mid-cycles... TIL | 19:52 |
| anteaya | rcarrillocruz: atlanta | 19:52 |
| anteaya | rcarrillocruz: I don't know if a hotel has been selected | 19:52 |
| rcarrillocruz | i know, i mean the hotel or convention centre | 19:52 |
| fungi | yeah, i don't know what the venue is | 19:53 |
| rcarrillocruz | i expect it to be a cheaper place at least, no? | 19:53 |
| fungi | or if i did, i don't think i was allowed to tell anyone so i promptly forgot | 19:53 |
| anteaya | rcarrillocruz: well it will be cheaper by virtue of every hotel won't triple its prices | 19:53 |
| anteaya | since 7000 people are attending | 19:53 |
| pleia2 | there are a lot of places in atlanta for all sizes of things | 19:54 |
| fungi | yeah, i don't think there's an expectation everyone will pick the same hotels to stay in anyway | 19:54 |
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| ttx | yes it is cheaper and less classy :) | 19:54 |
| fungi | the goal is to have it be in a city where you can get cheaper flights and can find cheap (comparatively) accommodations | 19:54 |
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| jeblair | my flight to bcn is very cheap, fwiw :) | 19:55 |
| ttx | jeblair: one-way ? | 19:55 |
| fungi | though our idea of doing it on college campuses during breaks and being able to take advantage of dormitory rooming rates (like, say, debconf) didn't quite fly | 19:55 |
| rcarrillocruz | good, cos chances are i may not get funding, so i would consider self-funding depending on how much will be | 19:55 |
| rcarrillocruz | anyway, long way from now | 19:55 |
| jeblair | ttx: why would you need a round trip? ;) | 19:55 |
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| ttx | jeblair: mine is very cheap too | 19:56 |
| flaper87 | ttx: dunno, mine too | 19:56 |
| ttx | flaper87: I know right | 19:56 |
| fungi | rcarrillocruz: i think the plan is that the travel support program will be extended to cover ptg attendees too | 19:56 |
| ttx | fungi: it is indeed the plan | 19:56 |
| flaper87 | ttx: that's good news :) | 19:56 |
| zaro | fungi: you can put me down for maybe at this point. | 19:57 |
| rcarrillocruz | oh yeah, that's good to know, thanks :-) | 19:57 |
| rcarrillocruz | it's good it's atlanta, i mean, flights wise it is going to be way cheaper, less connections | 19:57 |
| fungi | #agreed There is at least a representative subset of the Infra team who would like to attend the PTG in February. | 19:57 |
| fungi | i'll make sure to let diablo_rojo and ttx know | 19:57 |
| fungi | #topic Ocata Summit Planning (fungi) | 19:58 |
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| fungi | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/infra-ocata-summit-planning Infra Ocata Summit Planning pad | 19:58 |
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| fungi | just a minute left, but please put any session ideas there | 19:58 |
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| fungi | i'd like to start trying to work out how many we have and will do an ml thread to try to prioritize them so i can attempt to fit them into our schedule later this week | 19:59 |
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| fungi | #topic Open discussion | 19:59 |
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| fungi | you have 10 seconds | 19:59 |
| anteaya | thank you fungi | 19:59 |
| fungi | my pleasure, as always | 20:00 |
| fungi | thanks everyone! | 20:00 |
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| fungi | #endmeeting | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Oct 4 20:00:19 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2016/infra.2016-10-04-19.03.html | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2016/infra.2016-10-04-19.03.txt | 20:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2016/infra.2016-10-04-19.03.log.html | 20:00 |
| fungi | your turn, ttx | 20:00 |
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| ttx | o/ | 20:00 |
| dtroyer_zz | o/ | 20:00 |
| dhellmann | o/ | 20:00 |
| dims | o/ | 20:00 |
| dhellmann | ttx: russellb won't be able to make it today | 20:00 |
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| thingee | o/ | 20:00 |
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| flaper87 | o/ | 20:01 |
| annegentle | ohai | 20:01 |
| ttx | johnthetubaguy, mestery, mtreinish, mordred, russellb, sdague: around ? | 20:01 |
| mtreinish | o/ | 20:01 |
| ttx | #startmeeting tc | 20:01 |
| jroll | \o | 20:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Oct 4 20:01:42 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ttx. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tc' | 20:01 |
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| ttx | Last meeting for the Newton TC membership! Our agenda: | 20:01 |
| ttx | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TechnicalCommittee | 20:01 |
| ttx | (remember to use #info #idea and #link liberally to make for a more readable summary) | 20:02 |
| bauzas | \o | 20:02 |
| ttx | #topic Decide and schedule Cross-project workshops for Barcelona | 20:02 |
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| ttx | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ocata-cross-project-sessions | 20:02 |
| ttx | We had 16 proposals by the deadline | 20:02 |
| ttx | one (1) was struck out for some reason (abandoned ?) | 20:02 |
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| ttx | another (15) is lacking a session lead, so we should drop it unless there is a volunteer | 20:03 |
| ttx | For the remaining 14, judging by the votes, we have four categories | 20:03 |
| ttx | A/ 2 must-have (5, 13) | 20:03 |
| mtreinish | ttx: I would volunteer for 15, but I won't be able to make it | 20:03 |
| ttx | B/ 7 pretty obvious choices (2, 3, 4, 6, 10, 11, 16) | 20:04 |
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| ttx | hmm, maybe add 14 to that set | 20:04 |
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| ttx | C/ 2 slightly-less obvious choices (7, 9) | 20:04 |
| ttx | D/ 2 subpar (8, 12) | 20:04 |
| ttx | So... We should discuss if we should assign a double-slot to any of these | 20:04 |
| ttx | Then see how many of category C we want to approve | 20:05 |
| ttx | To give you an idea, there are two scheduling strawmen on the etherpad | 20:05 |
| dhellmann | 13 looks like a good candidate for a double session | 20:05 |
| ttx | johnthetubaguy's is not assigning any double-slot, and nothing for category C, for a light schedule | 20:05 |
| ttx | mine's is assigning double slots for #5 and #13, and saves #7 | 20:05 |
| dhellmann | maybe even split those 2 sessions over 2 days | 20:05 |
| ttx | slightly busier schedule, but still a lot less busy than Austin (where we ran 3 in parallel) | 20:06 |
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| johnthetubaguy | yeah, I was thinking about getting more people to the ones I think we need to worry about | 20:06 |
| ttx | Agree on #13 needing a double slot | 20:06 |
| johnthetubaguy | but I am warming a lot to ttx's proposal after thinking about it more | 20:06 |
| edleafe | Rockyg: thanks! | 20:06 |
| dhellmann | +1 to keeping the number of parallel sessions to a minimum | 20:06 |
| dims | dhellmann : for 13 we may end up getting different sets of people show up (not sure if that's good or bad) | 20:06 |
| ttx | What about #5 ? Do you think we can get to something useful there in 40 min ? | 20:07 |
| dhellmann | dims : I was thinking about having the ability to "sleep on" the first part of the discussion | 20:07 |
| dims | dhellmann : yep that would help | 20:07 |
| johnthetubaguy | if we had only one double, I would vote for 13 | 20:07 |
| dhellmann | ttx: I think so, though I'd be interested in smcginnis, diablo_rojo, and thingee's input | 20:07 |
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| flaper87 | dims: dhellmann I'd be worried that the set of people attending the first part would not attend the second part | 20:07 |
| fungi | i thought %5 was an opinion-gathering forum? | 20:07 |
| fungi | er, #5 | 20:07 |
| flaper87 | If we split 13 into 2 sessions, that is | 20:07 |
| fungi | i was definitely planning to participate in #5 anyway | 20:08 |
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| dhellmann | flaper87 : yeah, that's a concern. might be worth the risk, though, esp. if we make it clear up front what the plan is | 20:08 |
| thingee | I feel like it'll start conversations, on #5... at least having a picture of where things are. | 20:08 |
| piet_ | ttx #1 wasn't receiving any votes and decided to use another forum to select research priorities for next cycle | 20:08 |
| smcginnis | dhellmann: Yeah, I think so as well. | 20:08 |
| ttx | piet_: thx for the info | 20:08 |
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| smcginnis | A start at least. | 20:08 |
| dhellmann | smcginnis : so there's no need for a double session? | 20:09 |
| thingee | diablo_rojo is currently on working on what things look like for other projects. smcginnis has done a great job on the cinder side | 20:09 |
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| thingee | dhellmann: I don't think so | 20:09 |
| ttx | we'll probably need to expand to a wider audience after brushing up the topic anyway | 20:09 |
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| dhellmann | thingee : ok, thanks | 20:09 |
| ttx | It's not somethign that will be decided in 40 or 90 min anyway | 20:09 |
| thingee | ttx: +1 | 20:09 |
| dougwig | for #5. it could use a double if the first is "where is the line" and the second is "a common framework/method". i don't think feeling out the line will happen in less than 40 minutes. | 20:10 |
| diablo_rojo | I was planning on emailing the cp liaisons this week about if they will be attending the session/ asking for representation. | 20:10 |
| smcginnis | dhellmann: If we can only do one, I think there's still value. But two would likely be needed. But I'm OK if we can at least get the conversation started and then defer to the PTG if we really have to. | 20:10 |
| thingee | dougwig: that's true. we could draw out multiple solutions. just the final decision will take place after I think | 20:10 |
| fungi | dougwig: i agree with you there | 20:10 |
| thingee | dhellmann: I guess I'm unsure now :) | 20:10 |
| dhellmann | heh | 20:10 |
| smcginnis | diablo_rojo: Good call. | 20:10 |
| fungi | "a common framework" sounds like the e-mail thread which will follow that session | 20:10 |
| dhellmann | I like the topic split that way | 20:10 |
| ttx | So we could have one session for where is the line, a session on driver log where we can continue to touch on those topics | 20:10 |
| dims | dhellmann : #3 and #4, do we need 40 mins each or can we club them together? | 20:11 |
| dhellmann | but yeah, I wonder if the implementation details of a framework are a much much longer discussion | 20:11 |
| smcginnis | fungi: Could be. | 20:11 |
| dhellmann | dims : #3 may not need 40 minutes, but I expect #4 will | 20:11 |
| ttx | dims: different topics I think | 20:11 |
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| ttx | OK, so only #13 using a double-slot ? | 20:11 |
| thingee | ttx: I kind of feel like the driver log stuff alone needs the 40 mins. If we have extra time, I would be happy to continue the conversation of #5 | 20:11 |
| dims | ack ttx dhellmann | 20:11 |
| ttx | #info #13 should have a doubleslot | 20:12 |
| ttx | Which ones do we want to include from category C ? | 20:12 |
| ttx | #7 and/or #9 | 20:12 |
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| ttx | 7 is "Stewardship Working Group (SWG) discussion" | 20:13 |
| dhellmann | #info group A/ 2 must-have (5, 13) | 20:13 |
| dtroyer_zz | I'm not sure how much a single conversaion is useful in #9 | 20:13 |
| dtroyer_zz | that sounds like a conversaion per SDK | 20:13 |
| ttx | 9 is "SDK fishbowl" | 20:13 |
| dhellmann | #info group B/ 7 pretty obvious choices (2, 3, 4, 6, 10, 11, 16) | 20:13 |
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| dhellmann | #info group C/ 2 slightly-less obvious choices (7, 9) | 20:13 |
| ttx | Note that both are narrow-enough and would likely not genberate conflicts | 20:13 |
| dhellmann | #info group D/ 2 subpar (8, 12) | 20:13 |
| thingee | ttx: I spoke to flanders about #9. I think we agreed there wouldn't be much attendance from the sdk devs themselves. | 20:13 |
| thingee | the real value would be in consumers of the sdks. Mostly talking about shade though at this time | 20:14 |
| flaper87 | dhellmann: I think ttx said we should add 14 to the obvious choices (in case you want to have an info on that too) | 20:14 |
| thingee | there are efforts in the future pre-next summit to start building this up more for sdk devs | 20:14 |
| dhellmann | #info group B/ 7 pretty obvious choices (2, 3, 4, 6, 10, 11, 14, 16) | 20:14 |
| dhellmann | flaper87 : thanks | 20:14 |
| annegentle | thingee ttx if the working groups related to SDKs got time, it would be okay to drop | 20:14 |
| ttx | OK, so we'd save only #7 ? | 20:14 |
| thingee | In case people don't know, Flanders works for the OpenStack Foundation in improving our app dev community | 20:14 |
| ttx | he is a cool neighbour | 20:15 |
| dhellmann | dtroyer_zz : what do you mean "a single conversation"? | 20:15 |
| annegentle | ttx does the Product WG also have time elsewhere? | 20:15 |
| ttx | dhellmann: all SDKs at the same time | 20:15 |
| dhellmann | ah | 20:15 |
| dtroyer_zz | what ttx said | 20:15 |
| ttx | annegentle: I think they have a workgroup room somewhere | 20:15 |
| mtreinish | dtroyer_zz: yeah, that's a good point. What is the end goal of a session like that? | 20:15 |
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| dhellmann | is mordred here? his name is on that sdk item too | 20:15 |
| dtroyer_zz | there is very little that actually spans all of the SDKs, as much as I wish that were not the case | 20:15 |
| annegentle | ttx yeah | 20:15 |
| flaper87 | dhellmann: think he's on a plane | 20:16 |
| flaper87 | (based on twitter info) | 20:16 |
| smcginnis | Would that encompass openstackclient as an "sdk" | 20:16 |
| Rockyg | prod wg definitely has a session and on Friday, a working session | 20:16 |
| dhellmann | dtroyer_zz : the description makes it sound like the idea is to turn one fishbowl room into a bunch of work sessions | 20:16 |
| annegentle | dtroyer_zz yeah it's unfortunate, I was thinking in past summits it's usually the OpenStack client, API WGm and the App Ecosystem WG sessions that are useful | 20:16 |
| dtroyer_zz | smcginnis: no, plus OSC has its own sessions | 20:16 |
| annegentle | right | 20:16 |
| * ttx tweaks his strawman schedule to remove the double-slot for #5 | 20:16 | |
| smcginnis | dtroyer_zz: Gotcha, thanks! | 20:17 |
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| dims | slightly offtopic, With all the email conversations about what the new candidates for TC should/could do, feels like we need a session "Throw eggs at your TC" | 20:17 |
| fungi | or vegetables | 20:17 |
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| thingee | smcginnis: see original email on project team slots http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-September/103560.html | 20:17 |
| dims | :) | 20:17 |
| smcginnis | thingee: Thanks! | 20:17 |
| smcginnis | Forgot about that. | 20:18 |
| thingee | smcginnis: and join us! :) | 20:18 |
| stevemar | dims: tomatoes will work just fine | 20:18 |
| dhellmann | dims, fungi : TC Frittata? | 20:18 |
| fungi | dims: better might be to just rotate tc members staffing a dunking booth | 20:18 |
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| smcginnis | :) | 20:18 |
| flaper87 | dhellmann: lol | 20:18 |
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| anteaya | throw blueberries at me | 20:18 |
| ttx | OK, so any objections to the current selection ? | 20:18 |
| dims | stevemar : i have to learn how to say "no fish, no meat" :) | 20:18 |
| anteaya | all the blueberries | 20:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | dims: the SWG is kinda the TC re-inventing whats its doing in a way | 20:18 |
| dims | ttx : +1 | 20:18 |
| ttx | Aa (including double for #13) + Bs + #7 | 20:18 |
| smcginnis | +1 for dunking booth | 20:18 |
| flaper87 | ttx: none from me | 20:19 |
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| dhellmann | ttx: +1 | 20:19 |
| ttx | Trying to fix my schedule | 20:19 |
| johnthetubaguy | ttx: does your current strawman proposal have all those in at the moment? I guess it does | 20:19 |
| ttx | johnthetubaguy: yes, trying to optimize though | 20:19 |
| dims | johnthetubaguy : so let's make sure we word it such that people know lot of TC folks will be there | 20:19 |
| dhellmann | ttx: I like the org/tech split you identified | 20:19 |
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| fungi | yep, sort of track-like | 20:20 |
| dhellmann | ttx: I would appreciate it if you could keep #3 and #13 from overlapping | 20:20 |
| dims | ++ to org/tech split | 20:20 |
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| ttx | tweaked it a bit to remove a conflict I had.. How does that one look for you all ? | 20:20 |
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| ttx | check for hard conflicts you may have | 20:21 |
| fungi | i worry that overalpping #4 with anything is going to have some impact on whatever it overlaps with | 20:21 |
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| dhellmann | ttx: I wanted to participate in the decomposition discussion. can #3 move to wed 12:15? | 20:22 |
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| ttx | dhellmann: I wanted to avoid having all "architects" missing the decomposition discussion | 20:22 |
| johnthetubaguy | 13 and 6 look a bit bad for me, but meh, nothing is going to be perfect | 20:22 |
| dhellmann | ah, ok | 20:22 |
| fungi | but especially considering the number of tc members who were mentioning #4 in their platform statements this election, i wonder if havig it overlap with the swg means there won't be a lot of tc members in the swg session | 20:22 |
| ttx | I could swap with the upgrade discussion | 20:23 |
| flaper87 | also, can we swap 10 and 4 ? | 20:23 |
| ttx | flaper87: same lots of overlap between architects and SWG members | 20:23 |
| flaper87 | I'd like to attend 4 and 7, that's why | 20:23 |
| dhellmann | fungi : yeah | 20:23 |
| flaper87 | gotcha | 20:23 |
| ttx | let me see | 20:23 |
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| * dtroyer_zz is surprised at the conflicts with just two rooms active | 20:23 | |
| ttx | dtroyer_zz: it's actualkly not surprising | 20:24 |
| dtroyer_zz | must mean we've got some good topics | 20:24 |
| ttx | less topics means less optional topics | 20:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | ttx spotted this earlier, with less sessions we are getting more conflicts | 20:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah | 20:24 |
| ttx | moved Python 3 a bit, does that look better ? | 20:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | argh, so now I am skipping 6 with I had intended on leading somewhat | 20:25 |
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| ttx | how about that | 20:25 |
| dhellmann | I still won't be in the SWG session this way, but I don't see a way to avoid that | 20:26 |
| ttx | dhellmann: swap with rolling upgrades ? | 20:26 |
| dims | y i really want to see what will be in SWG as i missed the training | 20:26 |
| ttx | 3<-> 11 | 20:26 |
| dhellmann | ttx: that would work | 20:26 |
| flaper87 | ttx: +1 to swap it | 20:26 |
| johnthetubaguy | better... so I kinda want to be in all of them, which is bad, but live | 20:26 |
| flaper87 | ttx: 3 and 11 | 20:26 |
| ttx | done | 20:27 |
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| johnthetubaguy | is 11 in a ops friendly slot still? | 20:27 |
| flaper87 | sold | 20:27 |
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| ttx | johnthetubaguy: argh | 20:27 |
| dhellmann | I'm looking forward to the PTG, when we'll have more time for these sorts of things | 20:27 |
| annegentle | dhellmann + | 20:27 |
| ttx | it is still somewhat ops friendly | 20:27 |
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| ttx | (everything on wednesday is) | 20:27 |
| flaper87 | johnthetubaguy: I think it's ops friendly | 20:27 |
| dims | if both 13 sessions are on the same day, we can't sleep on it | 20:27 |
| johnthetubaguy | I still want to be in 11 & 7, but I think 7 should still win | 20:27 |
| mtreinish | dhellmann: heh, and more potential scheduling conflicts :) | 20:28 |
| johnthetubaguy | ttx: cool | 20:28 |
| dhellmann | dims : at this point, I'm prepared to give up on that idea :-) | 20:28 |
| ttx | do we want to sleep on it ? | 20:28 |
| dims | dhellmann wanted to :) | 20:28 |
| dhellmann | mtreinish : if we have 2 days, we could have some sessions scheduled in their own slot (community goals, for example) | 20:28 |
| ttx | OK, let's sleep on the schedule | 20:28 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, +1 | 20:28 |
| dhellmann | ttx: dims meant the split between the 2 parts of session #13 | 20:28 |
| ttx | I'll do a thread to finalize it tomorrow | 20:28 |
| dims | dhellmann : right | 20:29 |
| dtroyer_zz | ++ | 20:29 |
| dhellmann | I had suggested putting those on separate days, but I don't think it's worth breaking what we've come up with to do that. | 20:29 |
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| dims | ack | 20:29 |
| ttx | We could swap 13part2 with 5 | 20:29 |
| dtroyer_zz | swapping both sessions with another pair might do it | 20:29 |
| ttx | oh well, let's sleep on that and finalize scheduling tomorrow | 20:30 |
| dims | ttx : yep | 20:30 |
| dhellmann | 13.2 for 5 might work | 20:30 |
| ttx | Need to check that session leads are not dual-booked too | 20:30 |
| dhellmann | I assume no session leaders are speaking on these days? | 20:30 |
| ttx | #action ttx to start a thread on finalizing schedule | 20:30 |
| ttx | dhellmann: you assume wrong | 20:30 |
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| ttx | #info ttx to check for session lead conflicts with talks | 20:31 |
| ttx | #info consider swapping 13.2 for 5 | 20:31 |
| ttx | ok, let's switch to another topic | 20:31 |
| ttx | #topic Clarify the process for the TC approved release | 20:31 |
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| ttx | #link https://review.openstack.org/374027 | 20:32 |
| ttx | Only minor objections, including recommending the use of "Interop WG" instead of Defcore, and removing the duplicate "that" | 20:32 |
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| dhellmann | yeah, I'm happy to prepare a follow-up to fix those wording nits | 20:32 |
| thingee | +1 | 20:32 |
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| ttx | OK, let's approve that one then | 20:32 |
| annegentle | thanks dhellmann | 20:33 |
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| ttx | objections ? | 20:33 |
| mtreinish | ttx: go for it | 20:33 |
| flaper87 | none | 20:33 |
| ttx | ok done | 20:33 |
| ttx | #topic YAML cleanups | 20:33 |
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| ttx | Two small housekeeping items: | 20:33 |
| ttx | * Rename retired-projects.yaml to legacy.yaml (https://review.openstack.org/376828) | 20:33 |
| ttx | That will capture better that projects that are removed from governance are not necessarily abandoned / retired from infra | 20:34 |
| ttx | this one also has enough approvals to pass now | 20:34 |
| ttx | Objections ? | 20:34 |
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| fungi | fwiw, that file is not (yet) integrated into our election tooling anyway but is intended to be soon | 20:34 |
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| dims | no objections | 20:34 |
| fungi | so renaming is entirely nondisruptive in that regard | 20:35 |
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| ttx | which reminds me, we missed adding OpenStackSalt to that one | 20:35 |
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| annegentle | ok good to know fungi | 20:35 |
| anteaya | ttx: yes it was agreed to add it after | 20:35 |
| ttx | #action ttx to add OpenStackSalt to legacy.yaml | 20:35 |
| dims | after this merges, i'll take an action on that ttx | 20:35 |
| fungi | there was at least one fuel repo made unofficial recently which should have ended up in there was well | 20:35 |
| anteaya | ttx: my understanding is once this patch merges dims will add salt | 20:35 |
| ttx | #undo | 20:35 |
| openstack | Removing item from minutes: <ircmeeting.items.Action object at 0x7f66f46d4d10> | 20:35 |
| ttx | #action dims to propose change to add OpenStackSalt to legacy.yaml | 20:35 |
| dims | fungi : ack on that fuel repo, will take care of that | 20:36 |
| dhellmann | #info wording tweaks on the tc-approved-release patch: https://review.openstack.org/382064 | 20:36 |
| fungi | i spotted it when trying to figure out why the atc count shrunk over a given time period | 20:36 |
| ttx | and... approved | 20:36 |
| anteaya | thank you | 20:36 |
| anteaya | thanks dims | 20:36 |
| ttx | * Alphabetise team names (https://review.openstack.org/376070) | 20:36 |
| ttx | This can't really hurt, but is a rebase hell, so better approve it while it's fresh | 20:36 |
| annegentle | heh | 20:36 |
| ttx | still missing a few votes | 20:36 |
| annegentle | ttx darn, clobbers my api refresh | 20:36 |
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| ttx | annegentle: arh. Another rebase hellish one. If you rebase it on top of this one we could approve it in session | 20:37 |
| annegentle | ttx nah it's oka | 20:37 |
| annegentle | okay even | 20:37 |
| ttx | because the one-week baking period is killing it | 20:37 |
| annegentle | ttx I'll fix my links after this one lands | 20:38 |
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| annegentle | ttx there's seven | 20:38 |
| ttx | TC members; please review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/376070/, still missing votes | 20:38 |
| ttx | annegentle: oh, not too bad | 20:38 |
| annegentle | yeah | 20:38 |
| ttx | Objections ? | 20:38 |
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| flaper87 | none | 20:39 |
| ttx | ((to the alpha-ordering one) | 20:39 |
| thingee | whoops thought I already voted on this | 20:39 |
| ttx | ok, ready to approve | 20:39 |
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| ttx | and done | 20:39 |
| ttx | #topic Add stable:follows-policy tag to heat | 20:39 |
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| ttx | #link https://review.openstack.org/379114 | 20:39 |
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| ttx | This addition was vetted by Tony as stable maint PTL, and there doesn't seem to be any objection so far | 20:40 |
| annegentle | ttx did the heat PTL circle in on it? | 20:40 |
| thingee | don't think it's required. | 20:40 |
| ttx | I think Rabi is the current ptl | 20:40 |
| dhellmann | the author is hte heat ptl | 20:40 |
| annegentle | thingee ttx ok, cool | 20:41 |
| ttx | OK, ready to approve | 20:41 |
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| ttx | Last-minute objection ? | 20:41 |
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| ttx | and... done | 20:42 |
| ttx | wow, we actually have time to discuss Assume Good Faith a bit | 20:42 |
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| ttx | #topic Add "Assume Good Faith" to OpenStack principles | 20:42 |
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| ttx | #link https://review.openstack.org/365590 | 20:42 |
| ttx | Feedback so far seems to be that the idea is good, but this is about personal conduct and therefore is a better match for the CoC | 20:42 |
| flaper87 | I'd like to start by saying that this proposal did not try to tell folks that do not assume good faith should not be part of the community. I'd like to also add that I don't think assuming good faith stops at simply trusting that members of the community put openstack first when needed. There's more to it than that. For example, it's often said that the TC runs with a secret agenda, which is way | 20:42 |
| flaper87 | far from being true. This and other things like this have been *assumed* in the past about other members. | 20:43 |
| flaper87 | That being said, I'm good with linking the CoC. I'd rather have this written down with explicit words that would help us set expctations but I don't want to exclude anyone and I'm happy to keep reminding people to assume good faith. | 20:43 |
| thingee | I think assuming good faith on anyone within a code conduct is not right. | 20:43 |
| * flaper87 admits the obvious paste | 20:43 | |
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| ttx | Personally I prefer this kind of thing to be in the CoC because I think it applies to all of our community, beyond the TC's constituency | 20:43 |
| thingee | What it's trying to capture I think is already within the code of conduct. | 20:43 |
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| flaper87 | thingee: It's scattered in the CoC | 20:43 |
| ttx | Also if we start tackling general personal behavior in community in the "principles" document, we'll end up copying all the CoC over | 20:43 |
| ttx | So I'd rather draw the line and point from one to the other (the link is already there). | 20:44 |
| thingee | flaper87: You can propose changes to the CoC sure. | 20:44 |
| flaper87 | It's there but you have to read between lines to actually get to the "Assume Good faith" point | 20:44 |
| flaper87 | thingee: yup, I mentioned that in one of my comments | 20:44 |
| flaper87 | or in one meeting, can't recall | 20:44 |
| flaper87 | point is. If we prefer to link the CoC then I think we can propose a change to the CoC | 20:44 |
| annegentle | this is different from the CoC to me. | 20:44 |
| ttx | flaper87: we already linked the Coc | 20:45 |
| flaper87 | but again, putting this in the CoC feels like forcing it to people | 20:45 |
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| annegentle | Definitely all behavior should start from the CoC but this is a governance context document. | 20:45 |
| flaper87 | which is the same problem we have with my proposal to begin with | 20:45 |
| annegentle | flaper87 so I'd advocate to have it be in this document | 20:45 |
| ttx | annegentle: why is it different from a CoC-style expectation ? | 20:46 |
| flaper87 | annegentle: my preference goes to have it in this document | 20:46 |
| edleafe | You can tell people how they must behave (CoC). You can't tell them how to think or feel (Assume Good Faith). | 20:46 |
| ttx | edleafe: Ah. Isee. Good distinction | 20:46 |
| annegentle | ttx CoC's have enforcement rules. This is a principle | 20:46 |
| thingee | edleafe: +100 | 20:46 |
| flaper87 | right | 20:46 |
| thingee | thank you | 20:46 |
| flaper87 | edleafe: loved the wording | 20:47 |
| cdent | that's why I highlighted "we don't blame and shame" in my comment. That's a conduct | 20:47 |
| annegentle | we're not going to report people for not assuming good faith | 20:47 |
| ttx | I'm not certain we can tell people how they should think in a "principles" document either | 20:47 |
| flaper87 | cdent: that can be fixed, likely just poor wording on my side | 20:47 |
| dtroyer_zz | I think cdent pointed out one other reason why it is different from the CoC: including corporate behaviours here | 20:48 |
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| ttx | flaper87: maybe "try to assume good faith" is better then | 20:48 |
| annegentle | ttx to me, this principles document tells people how to approach others in the context of OpenStack, and writing down that we all assume good faith is a principle "We should all assume good faith in our interactions" | 20:48 |
| flaper87 | ttx: I guess | 20:48 |
| flaper87 | We all fail to assume good faith from time to time | 20:48 |
| dims | Are we trying to say that we all wear multiple hats, but we need to the right thing when we are thinking/working on openstack? | 20:49 |
| flaper87 | I've failed | 20:49 |
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| flaper87 | One good thing about this is that we can also link people to it | 20:49 |
| ttx | I fail to assume good faith and use wrong english words :) | 20:49 |
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| smcginnis | :) | 20:49 |
| flaper87 | ttx: ditto | 20:49 |
| edleafe | ttx: I assumed your good faith when reading your email today | 20:50 |
| edleafe | :) | 20:50 |
| ttx | flaper87: maybe we could reword it to include a sentence on being mindful of geographical difference etc | 20:50 |
| flaper87 | To be honest, putting it there doesn't mean people will do it. I'd hope more folks would but that's just my personal hope/belief | 20:50 |
| flaper87 | ttx: ++ | 20:50 |
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| jroll | ttx: +1, and cultures | 20:50 |
| annegentle | flaper87 I think it's about the "write expectations down" | 20:50 |
| smcginnis | I think the intro paragraph positions this well as "guiding principles that are used to inform and shape decisions" | 20:50 |
| mtreinish | flaper87: heh, but it means you can link to it :) | 20:50 |
| ttx | flaper87: let's see how we can tweak it to make it less of a behavior definition and more of an aspiring thing | 20:50 |
| flaper87 | annegentle: that's what I want, that's the point | 20:50 |
| flaper87 | mtreinish: right | 20:51 |
| flaper87 | ttx: sounds good to me | 20:51 |
| flaper87 | smcginnis: ++ | 20:51 |
| thingee | ttx: +1 | 20:51 |
| ttx | #info Work on wording to make it more aspirational and include being mindful of our language/geographical/cultural diversity | 20:52 |
| dims | +1 ttx | 20:52 |
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| annegentle | flaper87 ++ yep | 20:52 |
| flaper87 | Also, it's fine if some folks don't want to assume good faith but it's not ok to make it public. So, aspiring to assume good faith is definitely the goal | 20:52 |
| flaper87 | making it public is offensive for many cultures | 20:52 |
| ttx | We might be able to avoid most of the CoC-like language in it, in which case I would not oppose it that much | 20:52 |
| flaper87 | And by making it public I mean accussing people based on the personal preference to not assume good faith | 20:53 |
| dhellmann | most of the other principles are either focused on leaders or on teams, not individual contributors. Maybe if it can be reframed a bit more that way that would make it feel like it fits better. | 20:53 |
| ttx | ok, looks like we ahve some way forward | 20:53 |
| flaper87 | thanks everyone | 20:53 |
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| ttx | #topic Open discussion | 20:53 |
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| johnthetubaguy | I think we are all pointing at a thing that we want to capture there, +1 capturing that | 20:53 |
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| ttx | Elections are under way, vote if you haven't already. We'll hold the first meeting for the Ocata membership next week | 20:53 |
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| dhellmann | the patchf for the wording tweaks on the tc-approved-release is up https://review.openstack.org/382064 | 20:54 |
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| ttx | Small reminder that there will be a BoD+TC+UC meeting in Barcelona on Monday afternoon, starting at 2:30pm, followed by dinner at 7:30pm | 20:54 |
| annegentle | rebase went fine on this one | 20:54 |
| annegentle | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/371538/ | 20:54 |
| ttx | I'll send RSVPs over once elections are complete | 20:54 |
| mtreinish | dhellmann: I was actually working on adding a principle to say the way to implement change is individual contributors doing the work | 20:54 |
| * flaper87 read patchf and thought that was a secret command to fix patches | 20:54 | |
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| mtreinish | to try and capture that sentiment | 20:54 |
| mtreinish | I'm trying to come up with the right wording to express that thought clearly though :) | 20:54 |
| dhellmann | mtreinish : "we work together" | 20:54 |
| ttx | mtreinish: "Contribution Is Our Currency" ? | 20:55 |
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| dims | :) | 20:55 |
| Rockyg | Own the change you want to happen | 20:55 |
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| smcginnis | hah | 20:55 |
| mtreinish | heh, those are all better than my tenative title right now "The Mechanism for Change is People" | 20:55 |
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| ttx | I'm getting attached to our weird capitalization there | 20:55 |
| johnthetubaguy | I thought we had a patch up for that already, maybe from sdague? | 20:55 |
| fungi | it's worth noting that the civs maintainer reported cornell's mailservers are either deferring or dropping a lot of messages (hence the resend of all ballots), so lots of the electorate may not have received ballots still | 20:55 |
| anteaya | mtreinish: ha ha ha | 20:56 |
| smcginnis | OpenStack is made out of people | 20:56 |
| dims | Do-Do-ocracy | 20:56 |
| dhellmann | fungi : is that software something we could host for ourselves? | 20:56 |
| Rockyg | Soylent green!!!!! | 20:56 |
| mtreinish | johnthetubaguy: I think sdague complained about it on the original goals, but I haven't seen a patch for it | 20:56 |
| ttx | dhellmann: we could. | 20:56 |
| anteaya | smcginnis: so apparently is soylent green if you watch cloud atlas | 20:56 |
| smcginnis | Rockyg: ;) | 20:56 |
| dims | Rockyg : you typed faster than me :) | 20:56 |
| fungi | dhellmann: it is, but then we lose the current third party situation which sort of helps defend us from ourselves (granted the trade-off may be better than losing ballots) | 20:56 |
| johnthetubaguy | mtreinish: I may have imagined it | 20:57 |
| dhellmann | fungi : yeah | 20:57 |
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| ttx | everyone: please check the tentative cross-project workshop schedule and let me know if you spot hard conflicts | 20:57 |
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| anteaya | dhellmann: it has come up before | 20:57 |
| ttx | Newton was a great TC session (it's also a great release, despite the general modd) | 20:58 |
| ttx | mood* | 20:58 |
| anteaya | dhellmann: I think the loss of the independant third party would be large if we hosted it | 20:58 |
| jroll | ttx: ++ | 20:58 |
| flaper87 | fungi: is it something we can contribute servers/cpu too? (admitelly, I'm not familiar with the problems they are haivng ? | 20:58 |
| ttx | So as we wrap it up, please find the time to celebrate | 20:58 |
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| dhellmann | anteaya : makes sense. Still, if we've outgrown what they can support, it might be necessary. | 20:58 |
| fungi | flaper87: no, i don't think it's likely to be a resource issue | 20:58 |
| annegentle | ttx agreed! Well done, all. | 20:58 |
| ttx | People are using that software everywhere for a lot of things, and they are getting happier and happier using it | 20:58 |
| flaper87 | fungi: gotcha | 20:58 |
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| fungi | flaper87: and it's the cornell university mailservers in this case | 20:59 |
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| flaper87 | fungi: oh, mmh. :( | 20:59 |
| dhellmann | ttx: well said | 20:59 |
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| flaper87 | ttx: ++ | 20:59 |
| fungi | if through some strange turn of events i'm elected to a seat on the tc, i'm on vacation next week and so won't be around for the meeting | 20:59 |
| flaper87 | ttx: group hug ? | 20:59 |
| * flaper87 grabs ttx before he runs | 20:59 | |
| ttx | There is probably a chinese proverb with a mountain and a rock to express seeing only the negative aspects :) | 20:59 |
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| ttx | "Those who walk the mountain pay attention to the rocks" ? | 21:00 |
| dims | fungi : thanks for the heads up. best wishes | 21:00 |
| anteaya | ttx: are you making up proverbs? | 21:00 |
| ttx | anteaya: I'm making up lots of things | 21:00 |
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| edleafe | Thanks to all the outgoing TC members for their service! | 21:00 |
| ttx | and that is a wrap | 21:00 |
| dolphm | ancient openstack proverb | 21:00 |
| annegentle | ttx make it up as you go! | 21:00 |
| annegentle | :) | 21:00 |
| anteaya | dhellmann: it is worth another discussion yeah | 21:00 |
| ttx | #endmeeting | 21:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Oct 4 21:00:58 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2016/tc.2016-10-04-20.01.html | 21:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2016/tc.2016-10-04-20.01.txt | 21:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2016/tc.2016-10-04-20.01.log.html | 21:01 |
| ttx | Thanks everyone | 21:01 |
| anteaya | dhellmann: hopefully we can get some logs from the civs maintainer to refrence in our next discussion | 21:01 |
| anteaya | thanks ttx | 21:01 |
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| b1airo | <time of day greeting> oneswig | 21:01 |
| oneswig | Thanks y'all, lets get on with the show | 21:01 |
| oneswig | #startmeeting scientific-wg | 21:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Oct 4 21:01:50 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is oneswig. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'scientific_wg' | 21:01 |
| oneswig | #chair b1airo | 21:01 |
| openstack | Current chairs: b1airo oneswig | 21:01 |
| oneswig | Greetings! | 21:02 |
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| rbudden | hello! | 21:02 |
| dfflanders | morning | 21:02 |
| georgem1 | hello | 21:02 |
| cphoffma | Hey | 21:02 |
| trandles | hey folks | 21:02 |
| martial | hello all | 21:02 |
| oneswig | Fantastic to see you all | 21:02 |
| b1airo | g'day! | 21:02 |
| oneswig | b1airo: you want to drive today? | 21:02 |
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| b1airo | sure | 21:02 |
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| oneswig | before we go too far, I forgot. | 21:03 |
| oneswig | #link Agenda for today https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Scientific_working_group#IRC_Meeting_October_4th_2016 | 21:03 |
| b1airo | ahh was just grabbing that too | 21:03 |
| b1airo | cheers | 21:03 |
| oneswig | np | 21:03 |
| oneswig | I am a back seat driver | 21:03 |
| b1airo | #topic Virtualisation Tuning | 21:03 |
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| b1airo | i just thought i could briefly talk about some tuning we've been doing lately on our HPC cloud infra | 21:04 |
| b1airo | and share a few numbers | 21:04 |
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| b1airo | we've been using intel optimised linpack as our micro-benchmark | 21:05 |
| oneswig | A good stress of CPU and memory? How dominant is network? | 21:05 |
| b1airo | on typical 2-socket NUMA systems with ~250GB ram and 12 cores per socket | 21:05 |
| b1airo | we're doing network separately still at the moment - this is just for CPU+mem | 21:06 |
| b1airo | so it's an SMP version of linpack | 21:06 |
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| oneswig | ok good to know | 21:07 |
| b1airo | our hosts are running Trusty with Xenial (4.4) kernel and Mitaka cloudarchive Qemu/KVM (2.5) | 21:07 |
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| oneswig | How sensitive are kernel and kvm versions do you think? | 21:08 |
| b1airo | guest OS is CentOS 7.2 (which is 3.10 kernel from memory...) | 21:08 |
| clarkb | out of curiousity why not xenial userland too? | 21:08 |
| clarkb | I guess its cloudarchive for the bits that are interesting | 21:08 |
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| b1airo | clarkb, you mean the hypervisor distro? | 21:08 |
| clarkb | yes | 21:08 |
| b1airo | just because we operate this as a Cell in the NeCTAR Research Cloud and we are on Liberty for most things | 21:09 |
| jonmills | Are there specific advantages to a 4.4 kernel on the hypervisor? I'm running CentOS 7.2 hypervisors, but I could install a 4.4 kernel from elrepo | 21:09 |
| b1airo | so once we upgrade to Mitaka in the next few months we'll be at the intersection point for the Trusty/Xenial change over | 21:09 |
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| b1airo | jonmills, i think we initially upped the kernel for some PCI passthrough issues | 21:10 |
| jonmills | okay | 21:10 |
| b1airo | then we ended up on 4.4 recently because it has longer support being from Xenial as opposed to the shorter Ubuntu releases | 21:11 |
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| b1airo | oneswig, as for the versions impacting performance, yes they do | 21:11 |
| oneswig | b1airo: are there specific features/versions to look for? | 21:12 |
| b1airo | i don't have any bisectional data for our setup but i have seen plenty of other reports of performance regressions in the late 3.xx kernels | 21:12 |
| b1airo | e.g. there is an article somewhere on phoronix looking at this | 21:12 |
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| b1airo | we were also interested in the kernel's automatic numa balancing, which was introduced late in 3 i think | 21:13 |
| b1airo | anyway, back to some numbers :-) | 21:13 |
| b1airo | so on the baremetal hypervisor we see e.g.: | 21:14 |
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| martial | b1airo: are you working on a publication on those tests ? | 21:14 |
| b1airo | hmm not sure if this is gonna paste well | 21:14 |
| b1airo | i'll try, bare with... | 21:15 |
| b1airo | Size LDA Align. Average Maximal | 21:15 |
| b1airo | 160 176 4 6.0014 7.0252 | 21:15 |
| b1airo | 1600 1616 4 251.6930 258.5186 | 21:15 |
| b1airo | 5600 5616 4 554.8785 557.1577 | 21:15 |
| b1airo | 11200 11216 4 686.9769 688.3435 | 21:15 |
| b1airo | 22000 22000 4 761.3992 768.7692 | 21:15 |
| b1airo | 40000 40016 4 757.9887 758.6859 | 21:15 |
| b1airo | 80000 80016 4 757.7656 759.1828 | 21:15 |
| b1airo | 160000 160016 4 773.7305 773.9832 | 21:15 |
| b1airo | oh nice work hexchat | 21:15 |
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| b1airo | so the last size (160000) is about 90% mem usage | 21:15 |
| b1airo | this is on E5-2680v3 CPUs | 21:16 |
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| b1airo | in a "naive" guest, i.e., no cpu or mem pinning and no topology exposure, so just a flat 24 CPUs/sockets, one NUMA node guest using 240GB ram | 21:17 |
| georgem1 | b1airo: can you share the config used and some setup instructions? it would be interesting to run on our systems as well | 21:18 |
| b1airo | Size LDA Align. Average Maximal | 21:18 |
| b1airo | 160 176 4 1.9916 3.3462 | 21:18 |
| b1airo | 1600 1616 4 209.0969 248.5604 | 21:18 |
| b1airo | 5600 5616 4 438.6423 441.8746 | 21:18 |
| b1airo | 11200 11216 4 545.3753 546.7031 | 21:18 |
| b1airo | 22000 22000 4 490.6886 494.0714 | 21:18 |
| b1airo | 40000 40016 4 487.2085 489.2111 | 21:18 |
| b1airo | 80000 80016 4 534.8873 544.3701 | 21:18 |
| b1airo | 160000 160016 4 606.1984 607.2593 | 21:18 |
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| jmlowe | hi, sorry I'm late | 21:18 |
| b1airo | georgem1, sure it's pretty easy, will get to that in a sec... | 21:18 |
| oneswig | Interesting that you get maximum performance with such large blocks, or am I misreading the parameters? | 21:18 |
| oneswig | hi jmlowe | 21:18 |
| b1airo | oneswig, i'm no linpack guru, just going by the readme to set it up | 21:19 |
| b1airo | but my colleagues have independently come up with the same sort of config | 21:19 |
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| b1airo | and here's the money shot - guest with cpu and mem pinning and topology exposed: | 21:19 |
| trandles | blairo: is KSM enabled? | 21:20 |
| b1airo | Size LDA Align. Average Maximal | 21:20 |
| b1airo | 160 176 4 4.9478 7.2315 | 21:20 |
| b1airo | 1600 1616 4 247.3868 258.3221 | 21:20 |
| b1airo | 5600 5616 4 548.8194 551.7628 | 21:20 |
| b1airo | 11200 11216 4 667.9128 672.6079 | 21:20 |
| b1airo | 22000 22000 4 740.7616 752.1660 | 21:20 |
| b1airo | 40000 40016 4 756.2580 758.0187 | 21:20 |
| b1airo | 80000 80016 4 754.5520 754.7635 | 21:20 |
| b1airo | 160000 160016 4 767.8318 767.9426 | 21:20 |
| jmlowe | we should publish the tarball of the linpack we used to benchmark for acceptance | 21:20 |
| b1airo | trandles, no KSM and THP disabled | 21:20 |
| b1airo | so this is with regular 4K pages | 21:21 |
| oneswig | Nice work b1airo | 21:21 |
| anteaya | for reference if you need to post this kind of data into another channel please use a pastebin service, like paste.openstack.org | 21:21 |
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| anteaya | fine for your own meeting but others may not like it so much in other channels | 21:21 |
| anteaya | and nice work b1airo | 21:21 |
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| jonmills | So is there a published cheatsheet to produce these nice results? | 21:21 |
| b1airo | anteaya, sure i was expecting to have to do it to get it formatted nicely but looks ok here | 21:22 |
| anteaya | it does so | 21:22 |
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| b1airo | jonmills, yes i think we can add this into the HPC whitepaper | 21:22 |
| jonmills | cool | 21:23 |
| oneswig | b1airo: sounds like a good idea to me, but how soon could you document? | 21:23 |
| georgem1 | cool indeed | 21:23 |
| b1airo | but i'm also going to add something to the hypervisor tuning guide | 21:23 |
| b1airo | georgem1, here's the config... | 21:23 |
| b1airo | $ cat lininput_xeon64 | 21:23 |
| b1airo | Sample Intel(R) Optimized LINPACK Benchmark data file (lininput_xeon64) | 21:23 |
| b1airo | Intel(R) Optimized LINPACK Benchmark data | 21:23 |
| b1airo | 8 # number of tests | 21:23 |
| b1airo | 160 1600 5600 11200 22000 40000 80000 160000 # problem sizes | 21:23 |
| b1airo | 176 1616 5616 11216 22000 40016 80016 160016 # leading dimensions | 21:23 |
| b1airo | 5 5 5 5 5 5 3 3 # times to run a test | 21:23 |
| b1airo | 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 # alignment values (in KBytes) | 21:23 |
| b1airo | using intel mkl benchmarks (l_mklb_p_2017.0.010.tgz) | 21:24 |
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| georgem1 | thanks | 21:24 |
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| georgem1 | I'll get off the train in 10 min :( | 21:25 |
| b1airo | specifically benchmarks_2017/linux/mkl/benchmarks/linpack/runme_xeon64 | 21:25 |
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| b1airo | this seems to be a nice test because it is a portable black box | 21:25 |
| martial | so CPU only, no Phi ? | 21:25 |
| oneswig | b1airo: what config do you apply outside of the OpenStack domain? | 21:25 |
| anteaya | georgem1: you can read the channel log here: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/%23openstack-meeting/%23openstack-meeting.2016-10-04.log.html | 21:26 |
| b1airo | we don't have any Phis, got a bunch of K80s though | 21:26 |
| georgem1 | I know, but it's not the same | 21:26 |
| anteaya | georgem1: indeed | 21:26 |
| georgem1 | everybody got the hotel booked for Barcelona? | 21:26 |
| b1airo | in relation to the hypervisor tuning guide i think we need a set of micro-benchmarks that can be commonly used to verify tuning | 21:27 |
| jmlowe | I'm in the W | 21:27 |
| b1airo | georgem1, yes - i think i was very lucky to get the last room at the SB | 21:27 |
| georgem1 | nice, I'll be 1 km away from the conference site | 21:27 |
| b1airo | so i'm interested in collecting suggestions for such benchmarks | 21:28 |
| oneswig | A good city for walking I believe :-) | 21:28 |
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| oneswig | b1airo: did you figure out your issues with gpu direct virtualised? | 21:28 |
| rbudden | georgem1: yep, i’m booked the hilton | 21:28 |
| b1airo | i haven't done anything with the tuning guide this cycle but i intend to chat with interested folks in barcelona about what should happen - i'm of the opinion it could because a repo of scripts and benchmarks | 21:28 |
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| b1airo | any prose can go into the admin/ops guide | 21:29 |
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| b1airo | so that brings us to: | 21:29 |
| b1airo | #topic Barcelona activities and WG space etc | 21:29 |
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| b1airo | we heard back from the summit folks that a bigger room became available | 21:30 |
| b1airo | so looks tentatively like we have a 100 person capacity room on Tues and Weds at (i think...) 2:45pm | 21:31 |
| b1airo | oneswig, that right? | 21:31 |
| oneswig | wasn't it one or the other? let me check | 21:31 |
| georgem1 | I'm out but I'll check the meeting logs later | 21:32 |
| martial | by georgem1 | 21:32 |
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| georgem1 | bye | 21:32 |
| b1airo | thanks georgem1 ! | 21:32 |
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| martial | (sigh can not type anymore) | 21:32 |
| oneswig | Its 2x 40 minute slots - you're right | 21:33 |
| oneswig | 2:15pm Tuesday and 2:15pm Wednesday | 21:33 |
| oneswig | How does that look on the schedule? | 21:33 |
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| b1airo | i think it's ok - only issue is the clash with the long Ops session on Tues arvo | 21:34 |
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| oneswig | It's quite an unfortunate conflict | 21:34 |
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| b1airo | i know we have a few folks who will be torn between the two, but the Ops session goes most of the arvo so folks can always join us initially and then move on to that | 21:34 |
| oneswig | Is the ops session close by? | 21:35 |
| b1airo | good question... | 21:35 |
| oneswig | One alternative - a smaller session (30 people) for committee meeting on Wednesday morning and a larger 100 session Wednesday afternoon for the BoF | 21:35 |
| dfflanders | What is the divide between the two sesh agenda-wise? | 21:35 |
| oneswig | Keeps Tuesday clear | 21:35 |
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| b1airo | it's still TBA by the looks of it | 21:36 |
| oneswig | dfflanders: one's committee meeting, the other's BoF - procedural vs open house I'd guess | 21:36 |
| dfflanders | :thumbs up: | 21:36 |
| dfflanders | etherpad for listing these options and starting to plan? | 21:37 |
| b1airo | you did create one already didn't you oneswig | 21:37 |
| oneswig | 1 sec, I'll dig it out | 21:37 |
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| oneswig | not having much luck here... | 21:39 |
| oneswig | I'll keep looking, it was agenda items for the committee meeting | 21:39 |
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| b1airo | should be in last week's log | 21:40 |
| oneswig | #link Barcelona agenda items for committee meeting https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/scientific-wg-barcelona-agenda | 21:40 |
| oneswig | thanks b1airo, exactly where it was | 21:40 |
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| b1airo | dfflanders, i figure this is what we'll flesh out properly on saturday | 21:41 |
| oneswig | Not much there at present but it's a 40 minute meeting anyway | 21:41 |
| b1airo | (b4 the summit) | 21:41 |
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| dfflanders | blair, +1 | 21:42 |
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| oneswig | b1airo: sounds good to me | 21:42 |
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| b1airo | better scoot along here... | 21:42 |
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| b1airo | #Topic Scientific OpenStack BoF | 21:42 |
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| b1airo | we have had a few volunteers keen to do lightening talks in the BoF which is great, but I don't think we've actually started recording that to organise things yet? | 21:43 |
| oneswig | When we've got the slot booked for the BoF, we should also get the lightning talks nailed - think it might need ot happen in that order | 21:43 |
| b1airo | (at least i haven't :-) | 21:43 |
| trandles | is this the Summit BoF or SC BoF? | 21:44 |
| b1airo | fair enough, so should we discuss the time slots one last time then? | 21:44 |
| oneswig | Perhaps whatever we do for the meeting, we could fix the bof for Wednesday afternoon in the 100-seater room | 21:44 |
| b1airo | trandles, Summit | 21:44 |
| b1airo | oneswig, yes of course | 21:44 |
| b1airo | silly me | 21:44 |
| oneswig | OK, if we do that I'll go to the list and do a "CFP"... | 21:45 |
| b1airo | great1 | 21:45 |
| oneswig | #action oneswig (carried over from last week) fix the BoF timeslot and call for lightning talks | 21:45 |
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| dfflanders | If there is a particularly good lightning talk let's plan on getting it recorded somehow as BoF and WG rooms are not auto recorded... If nothing else I can grab a goPro and we can ad hoc it in the hall ;-) | 21:46 |
| martial | :) | 21:46 |
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| b1airo | dfflanders, you could live tweet it :-P | 21:46 |
| b1airo | #topic Subsidy for social (Thursday night) | 21:47 |
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| dfflanders | don't tease me blairo you know how I love a good live tweeting ;-) | 21:47 |
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| oneswig | OK we've got a small decision to take wrt the social evening | 21:47 |
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| oneswig | It's been really popular! | 21:47 |
| b1airo | so far it's only oneswig's charms that have literally paid off | 21:47 |
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| oneswig | We have approaching 50 people down for it | 21:48 |
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| oneswig | And subsidy for 30 | 21:48 |
| b1airo | i have tried but my dell contact has gone mysteriously silent | 21:48 |
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| oneswig | Vendors eh. | 21:48 |
| jmlowe | they do that sometimes even when you are trying to give them money | 21:49 |
| b1airo | i'll give redhat one last push | 21:49 |
| dfflanders | how much more money is needed per head? | 21:49 |
| oneswig | We'd like to propose going for the bigger event and having people make a small contribution. | 21:49 |
| oneswig | €40 per head | 21:49 |
| b1airo | so we're currently short 800 ? | 21:49 |
| oneswig | That's for food and drink (unspecified how much drink, cava + red wine + mineral water) | 21:50 |
| oneswig | yes | 21:50 |
| oneswig | might be just shy of that. | 21:50 |
| b1airo | though likely to have more register if we were to promote it a little more, e.g. in the summit sessions | 21:50 |
| oneswig | b1airo: true but eventually we'll hit a limit with the restaurant | 21:51 |
| oneswig | Currently we're looking at roughly €16/head cost | 21:52 |
| oneswig | How do people feel about that? | 21:52 |
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| jmlowe | I'm good with that | 21:52 |
| martial | I am confused, was it 40 or 16 ? | 21:52 |
| martial | I am okay with either, personally | 21:52 |
| oneswig | 40 total, 16 after subsidy | 21:52 |
| martial | might want to contact the people that already registered is all | 21:53 |
| oneswig | martial: I'll mail all people with tickets and confirm once we are confirmed | 21:53 |
| oneswig | should be any day I think | 21:53 |
| rbudden | i’m good with that as well | 21:53 |
| oneswig | excellent thanks all | 21:54 |
| b1airo | i doubt anyone will mind, it's just a question of how we organise the logistics...? | 21:54 |
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| oneswig | Payment is going to be difficult, and receipts even more so. I'll work it with the restaurant | 21:55 |
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| b1airo | oneswig, were you thinking of having people pay on the evening? maybe we can do it via eventbrite? | 21:55 |
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| jmlowe | I don't like to carry cash, so a card friendly solution would be appreciated | 21:55 |
| rbudden | jmlowe: +1 I rarely carry cash if at all possible | 21:55 |
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| rbudden | eventbrite seems like a simple solution to that | 21:56 |
| rbudden | as b1airo suggested | 21:56 |
| oneswig | b1airo: eventbrite might solve it. Good plan. Might make a second event for which we'd all get tickets | 21:56 |
| martial | oneswig: yes a new replacement event might well be the better solution for this | 21:56 |
| b1airo | yeah i think that would simplify it, might add a small transaction fee of course, but again i don't think any of us mind as it's mostly work paying :-) | 21:57 |
| oneswig | Grand, I like it. I'll duplicate. Eventbrite take a small cut but it's worth it. | 21:57 |
| oneswig | #action oneswig to mail ticketholders and arrange payment via eventbrite | 21:58 |
| dfflanders | you could add a second ticket to the same eventbrite... end 'sales' on the first ticket. save minting new URL? /thinkingOutLoud | 21:58 |
| b1airo | sounds like you have been around this rodeo dfflanders | 21:58 |
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| oneswig | dfflanders: sounds like a good plan but we'll want all the people currently with tickets to get first dibs | 21:58 |
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| b1airo | ok well we have a plan there, let's action it next week oneswig ? | 21:59 |
| oneswig | OK b1airo agreed | 21:59 |
| dfflanders | timecheck | 21:59 |
| b1airo | give us another few days to see whether we can shake any change loose from the vendors | 21:59 |
| b1airo | yep, that's a wrap! | 21:59 |
| oneswig | thanks b1airo, great session | 21:59 |
| dfflanders | +1 | 21:59 |
| oneswig | look forward to your report :-) | 22:00 |
| rbudden | +1 | 22:00 |
| dfflanders | l8er ya'll | 22:00 |
| b1airo | thanks all! | 22:00 |
| rbudden | catch ya’ll later! | 22:00 |
| trandles | later | 22:00 |
| b1airo | #endmeeting | 22:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Oct 4 22:00:28 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_wg/2016/scientific_wg.2016-10-04-21.01.html | 22:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_wg/2016/scientific_wg.2016-10-04-21.01.txt | 22:00 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_wg/2016/scientific_wg.2016-10-04-21.01.log.html | 22:00 |
| rbudden | oh, oneswig / b1airo, one question | 22:00 |
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| b1airo | sure | 22:00 |
| rbudden | do we have an etherpad or something similar with IRC name -> Name/Company? | 22:01 |
| b1airo | oneswig has gone already by the looks | 22:01 |
| rbudden | I was curious | 22:01 |
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| rbudden | if for the regulars on here we had a way to get in email contact, etc. | 22:01 |
| rbudden | if necessary | 22:01 |
| b1airo | not an etherpad no, but we should make one - i find myself getting confused too | 22:01 |
| martial | I think there was one at the original etherpad made from the first meeting in Austin | 22:01 |
| rbudden | ok, so it’s not just me ;) | 22:01 |
| b1airo | that's right martial | 22:01 |
| rbudden | yes, but i don’t believe it had IRC handle | 22:02 |
| martial | it is a loooonnnggg list :) | 22:02 |
| rbudden | unless i’m mistaken | 22:02 |
| martial | rbudden: you are likely right | 22:02 |
| b1airo | oneswig is very good on the names but i personally haven't linked in IRC handles to my address book | 22:02 |
| rbudden | might just be me and the context switching between email/irc i often find myself in need of a lookup table | 22:02 |
| b1airo | i'll take an action to create one and add it to the next agenda | 22:03 |
| rbudden | just a thought | 22:03 |
| rbudden | cool, thx | 22:03 |
| martial | rbudden: just checked and you are correct, no IRC nick at https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/scientific-wg-austin-summit-agenda | 22:03 |
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| rbudden | martial: thanks for the link, that’s at least a good etherpad to bookmark | 22:04 |
| b1airo | a'ight, catch you later - thanks folks! | 22:04 |
| rbudden | have a good day everyone | 22:04 |
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| martial | rbudden: it is linked in the wg page at https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Scientific_working_group | 22:04 |
| martial | thanks, good bye all | 22:04 |
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