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| huzhj | #startmeeting daisycloud | 08:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Fri Sep 9 08:01:08 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is huzhj. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 08:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 08:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: daisycloud)" | 08:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'daisycloud' | 08:01 |
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| huzhj | today' agenda | 08:01 |
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| huzhj | https://thepb.in/p/xGhmpJZMErpfM | 08:01 |
| huzhj | 1) Roll Call | 08:01 |
| huzhj | 2) Unit Test Progress | 08:01 |
| huzhj | 3) Bifrost/Ironic Integration | 08:01 |
| huzhj | 4) OPNFV: Daisy4nfv CI Framework Progress | 08:01 |
| huzhj | 5) Bare Metal Deployment(PXE/IPMI) Status Update | 08:01 |
| huzhj | 6) Bare Metal Related DB Development Status Update | 08:02 |
| huzhj | #topic Roll Call | 08:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Roll Call (Meeting topic: daisycloud)" | 08:02 | |
| huzhj | #info Zhijiang | 08:02 |
| zhuzeyu | #info zhuzeyu | 08:02 |
| zhouya | #zhouya | 08:02 |
| zhouya | #info zhouya | 08:02 |
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| huzhj | hi kongwei, are you there? | 08:06 |
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| kongwei | yes | 08:06 |
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| huzhj | please #info kongwei | 08:07 |
| kongwei | #info kongwei | 08:08 |
| Sun | #info sunjing | 08:08 |
| huzhj | #topic Unit Test Progress | 08:08 |
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| huzhj | For UT, I have delete a lot of unused glance code , hope that will ease us to do UT | 08:09 |
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| huzhj | hwm still not delete yet. I need more time on this. | 08:10 |
| kongwei | i think we can get UT report next week. | 08:10 |
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| huzhj | Great! | 08:10 |
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| huzhj | #info next week @kongwei will work on UT report framework. | 08:11 |
| kongwei | UT will be exec after flake8 | 08:11 |
| huzhj | #undo | 08:11 |
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| huzhj | #action next week @kongwei will work on UT report framework. | 08:11 |
| huzhj | #action hwm code will be delete by @huzhj next week. | 08:11 |
| huzhj | Good | 08:12 |
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| huzhj | nothing for this topic I think. | 08:12 |
| huzhj | #topic Bifrost/Ironic Integration | 08:13 |
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| huzhj | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ironic-python-agent/+spec/get-pci-device-numa-node | 08:13 |
| huzhj | Hi Ya, I think you are working on this BP above? | 08:13 |
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| zhouya | yes | 08:14 |
| zhouya | I just wrote the email to Jim eollenhagen | 08:14 |
| zhouya | who is the ptl of ironic | 08:14 |
| huzhj | But we found that there is no even one BP existed in that project launchpad. I do not think they utilize BP to tracking their work... | 08:14 |
| huzhj | Good | 08:15 |
| zhouya | I looking forward for his reply | 08:15 |
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| huzhj | #info @zhouya is contacting PTLof ironic | 08:15 |
| zhouya | this is the only one BP on the launchpad | 08:15 |
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| huzhj | yes | 08:16 |
| zhouya | If Jim think it is proper for US to accomplish，Iwill do the code writing | 08:17 |
| huzhj | Just wait for the reply. I don't know, may be they arrange their BP some other place? | 08:17 |
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| huzhj | for example , the ironic project? instead of the ironic-...agent project? | 08:18 |
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| zhouya | so strange | 08:19 |
| huzhj | OK, just keep waiting. or maybe joining to the ironic irc meeting is a benefit. | 08:20 |
| zhouya | OK，Iwill keep in touch with ironic | 08:20 |
| huzhj | OK, next topic? | 08:21 |
| zhouya | OK | 08:21 |
| huzhj | #topic OPNFV: Daisy4nfv CI Framework Progress | 08:21 |
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| huzhj | Hi Jing , anything interesting on this topic? | 08:21 |
| huzhj | I saw you have sent a patch to releng | 08:22 |
| Sun | I have commit the verify framework to relent. | 08:22 |
| huzhj | Good | 08:22 |
| Sun | The PTL of relent have reviewed . | 08:23 |
| huzhj | #info @Sun has commited the verify job framework to releng repo. | 08:23 |
| Sun | PTL of releng | 08:23 |
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| huzhj | What about the POD , which one should we use ? | 08:23 |
| Sun | I recommit the code according the reviews advice. | 08:24 |
| Sun | Maybe daisy4nfv CI can use ate-pod2 now. | 08:25 |
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| huzhj | Could you please send us the url to your code | 08:25 |
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| Sun | ok | 08:25 |
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| Sun | https://gerrit.opnfv.org/Gerrit/#/c/20629/ | 08:28 |
| huzhj | #link https://gerrit.opnfv.org/Gerrit/#/c/20629/ | 08:28 |
| huzhj | I can not open it | 08:29 |
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| zhuzeyu | I also can not open | 08:30 |
| Sun | Sorry | 08:30 |
| zhouya | The same as me | 08:30 |
| huzhj | #link https://gerrit.opnfv.org/gerrit/#/c/20629/ | 08:30 |
| Sun | please change the Gerrit to gerrit | 08:30 |
| huzhj | Got it | 08:30 |
| huzhj | Yes, PTL is Fatih | 08:30 |
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| huzhj | a nice guy. | 08:31 |
| Sun | I agree that much. | 08:31 |
| huzhj | helped me a lot when I study releng jjb code. | 08:31 |
| Sun | so fortunate | 08:32 |
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| huzhj | So next step I think we may be able to test our bare metal deplyment on zte-pod2? | 08:32 |
| huzhj | What do you think @luyao | 08:33 |
| luyao | good | 08:33 |
| Sun | this pod is for virtual deployment. | 08:33 |
| luyao | where zte-pod2 | 08:34 |
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| Sun | when the whole test jobs are up,we may use other pods for bare metal deploy. | 08:34 |
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| huzhj | I think we can get guidance from Zhifeng | 08:34 |
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| huzhj | @Sun could you please try to contact with Zhifeng and get some detail info about how to use that POD? | 08:35 |
| Sun | I will email her for this issue. | 08:36 |
| kongwei | pod2 at shanghai | 08:36 |
| huzhj | Thanks | 08:36 |
| Sun | ok | 08:36 |
| huzhj | #action @Sun will try to contact with Zhifeng and get some detail info about how to use zte-pod2 POD | 08:36 |
| huzhj | I think virtual deployment is not enough | 08:37 |
| huzhj | we need baremetal. | 08:37 |
| huzhj | in the near future | 08:38 |
| Sun | Bare metal deployment jobs run when daily phase. | 08:38 |
| huzhj | Yes, then we also need daily job frame work. | 08:39 |
| Sun | ok.I will learn about how to use pod. | 08:39 |
| huzhj | After successfully merge the verify/merge job , is there any technical difficulties for us to implement the daily job? | 08:40 |
| huzhj | such as access the google storage? | 08:41 |
| huzhj | Or may be we can temprary pass the stoage accessing. | 08:42 |
| Sun | yes.There are some issue for daily job framework.I am not sure now. | 08:42 |
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| huzhj | Good, let's find out the issues first. | 08:43 |
| huzhj | OK, any other things for this topic? | 08:43 |
| Sun | How to upload and download Isi from google story is import one. | 08:43 |
| Sun | iso | 08:43 |
| huzhj | Yes, hope zte-pod2 has the abbility to break the GFW | 08:44 |
| Sun | Nothing for me | 08:44 |
| huzhj | OK | 08:44 |
| huzhj | #topic Bare Metal Deployment(PXE/IPMI) Status Update | 08:44 |
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| huzhj | Hey , @luyao. I have merged your patch about kicking out ironic. | 08:45 |
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| luyao | I see，thanks！ | 08:45 |
| huzhj | But, now our tempest test failed all the time. | 08:45 |
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| huzhj | It infinitly loop | 08:45 |
| luyao | I find the reason | 08:45 |
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| huzhj | You mean you have found out the reason? | 08:46 |
| luyao | because I delete install ironicclient，API， | 08:46 |
| luyao | yes | 08:46 |
| huzhj | Great! | 08:46 |
| huzhj | #info kicking out ironic patches are merged. | 08:46 |
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| luyao | ironic-discover code use ironicclient and api and so one | 08:46 |
| luyao | on | 08:46 |
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| huzhj | #info @luyao have found out the reason why tempest failed on discovery after merge patches. | 08:47 |
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| huzhj | Good. I think we can finally solve it next week. | 08:47 |
| luyao | so，if sure just need ironicdiscover ，I will modify ironicdiscover code to solve this pronlem | 08:47 |
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| huzhj | may be some test code shuold also be fixed | 08:48 |
| huzhj | I think the next step for us is test Daisy's auto-scaling function | 08:49 |
| huzhj | thus , discover and deploy new nodes automatically. | 08:49 |
| huzhj | that is the key feature of daisy. | 08:50 |
| luyao | yes | 08:50 |
| zhouya | exactly | 08:50 |
| huzhj | OK. for time reason. shall we move to the last topic? | 08:51 |
| luyao | ok | 08:51 |
| huzhj | #topic Bare Metal Related DB Development Status Update | 08:51 |
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| huzhj | @zhouya, what about the db access api progress? I think @luyao is waiting for your output:) | 08:52 |
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| zhouya | We now can get information from Daisy dB | 08:53 |
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| luyao | have merged？ | 08:54 |
| zhouya | no | 08:54 |
| luyao | we can test again after merge | 08:55 |
| zhouya | OK | 08:55 |
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| zhouya | I will test this with luyao later | 08:56 |
| huzhj | @zhouya could you provide the url to your code ? | 08:57 |
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| zhouya | I will find it | 08:57 |
| zhouya | review.OpenStack.org/#/c/361083 | 08:58 |
| zhouya | OpenStack to openstack | 09:00 |
| zhouya | sorry | 09:00 |
| huzhj | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/361083 | 09:00 |
| huzhj | already merged | 09:00 |
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| huzhj | #info @zhouya has merged the API code which @luyao can use. | 09:01 |
| huzhj | Great! | 09:01 |
| luyao | good | 09:01 |
| zhouya | sorry I did not get the status | 09:01 |
| huzhj | OK, we are running out of time . | 09:01 |
| huzhj | It is OK | 09:01 |
| huzhj | So, I think it is time to call it a meeting | 09:02 |
| zhouya | OK | 09:02 |
| huzhj | have a nice weekend every one | 09:02 |
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| luyao | you too | 09:02 |
| zhouya | OK | 09:02 |
| huzhj | thank you. bye | 09:02 |
| huzhj | #endmeeting | 09:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 09:03 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Fri Sep 9 09:03:27 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 09:03 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/daisycloud/2016/daisycloud.2016-09-09-08.01.html | 09:03 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/daisycloud/2016/daisycloud.2016-09-09-08.01.txt | 09:03 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/daisycloud/2016/daisycloud.2016-09-09-08.01.log.html | 09:03 |
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| dhellmann | #startmeeting releaseteam | 14:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Fri Sep 9 14:01:52 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dhellmann. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: releaseteam)" | 14:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'releaseteam' | 14:01 |
| dhellmann | courtesy ping: ttx, dims, tonyb | 14:02 |
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| ttx | o/ | 14:02 |
| dhellmann | our agenda for today is in the r-4 week on https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-relmgt-tracking | 14:03 |
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| dims | o/ | 14:03 |
| dhellmann | #topic pending release requestes | 14:03 |
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| dhellmann | #undo | 14:03 |
| openstack | Removing item from minutes: <ircmeeting.items.Topic object at 0x7f23bd8c6e10> | 14:03 |
| dhellmann | #topic pending release requests | 14:03 |
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| dims | almost there ! | 14:03 |
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| dhellmann | the oslo.db release is done, and I assume the constraints update is being reviewed | 14:04 |
| dhellmann | #link https://review.openstack.org/368001 | 14:04 |
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| dhellmann | it hasn't passed the check jobs yet | 14:04 |
| dhellmann | the openstackclient 3.3.0 release is on the wrong branch, so I -1ed that until we can decide if it's an ocata release or they need to backport things | 14:04 |
| dims | right | 14:05 |
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| dhellmann | there are some stable releases, which I was deferring paying attention to until early next week | 14:05 |
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| dhellmann | ttx, you mention a test failure on the liberty ansible release | 14:05 |
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| ttx | yes, asking for reordering | 14:06 |
| dhellmann | hmm, that's weird | 14:06 |
| ttx | indeed | 14:06 |
| dhellmann | ok, I'll look at that problem today | 14:06 |
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| ttx | looks like an edge failure of the test | 14:06 |
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| ttx | because the patch seems properly formatted | 14:06 |
| dhellmann | probably | 14:07 |
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| dhellmann | how about the patch changing announce location for neutron stadium projects - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/367986/ ? | 14:07 |
| ttx | looking | 14:07 |
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| dhellmann | I wasn't sure if we wanted independent projects sending on the -announce mailing list | 14:07 |
| ttx | bah, at this stage, it's noisy enough that it won't make much difference | 14:08 |
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| dhellmann | ok | 14:08 |
| dhellmann | approved, then | 14:08 |
| ttx | Also those probably should not really be independent | 14:08 |
| dims | ihrachys : do we have a way to stop "networking-* stadium deliverables already announce on -announce@ mailing list."? guess not | 14:08 |
| ttx | but that's another story | 14:08 |
| dhellmann | yes, I was talking with ihrachys about the tagging of those projects earlier today | 14:09 |
| ihrachys | dims: I dunno. why? | 14:09 |
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| ttx | The question is. who's the target audience of those, and I would argue it's the OpenStack consumers, not the OpenSTack producers | 14:09 |
| ihrachys | ttx: agreed they should be following neutron release model | 14:09 |
| dhellmann | I suspect that as more of them are spun out of the stadium, they'll stop being part of the tent project list anyway | 14:09 |
| dims | ihrachys : we are talking about "I wasn't sure if we wanted independent projects sending on the -announce mailing list " | 14:09 |
| ttx | so -announce rather than -dev | 14:09 |
| ihrachys | ttx: I advocated for it in Austin, but armax had a different opinion | 14:10 |
| ttx | that happens | 14:10 |
| ihrachys | dims: ack. if you think it's wrong, we can instead change all of them to -dev | 14:10 |
| ihrachys | dims: as long as there is some consistency, I am fine | 14:10 |
| dhellmann | ihrachys : no, -announce is good | 14:10 |
| ihrachys | dhellmann: I also think so, because if neutron is there, then plugins to it should go the same way | 14:10 |
| dims | y, works for me | 14:10 |
| dhellmann | ihrachys : maybe you and armax and I can have a hallway conversation about the models in barcelona | 14:11 |
| dhellmann | some cycle-based model seems to fit better | 14:11 |
| ihrachys | dhellmann: + for that | 14:11 |
| dhellmann | though we should see how the dissolution of the stadium plays out, it might save us the effort of changing the models | 14:11 |
| ttx | yes, I can't wait for another heated thread | 14:12 |
| dhellmann | are there any other pending reviews we should prioritize? | 14:12 |
| ihrachys | dhellmann: some of them actually seem to struggle with delivering releases that are compatible with neutron-server releases, and I believe part of the problem is they don't know how to manage it properly. if they are funnelled thru the branching process automatically, they would have less things to screw | 14:12 |
| dims | ttx : haha | 14:12 |
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| ihrachys | ttx: :D | 14:12 |
| ttx | feels like we covered most of the actionable backlog | 14:12 |
| dhellmann | ihrachys : I agree | 14:12 |
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| dhellmann | #topic ocata schedule | 14:13 |
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| dhellmann | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/357214/ | 14:13 |
| ttx | I think it's time to make it official | 14:13 |
| dhellmann | are we ready to approve the schedule? | 14:13 |
| dhellmann | yep, ok | 14:13 |
| dhellmann | shall we all pile on +2s? | 14:13 |
| ttx | the sad is that we lost the pile of +1s | 14:13 |
| dims | +2 | 14:13 |
| dhellmann | ttx: yeah | 14:14 |
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| ttx | In retrospect you should have done the typo fix in a subsequent patchset. Would pimp our team activity stats too | 14:14 |
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| dhellmann | heh | 14:14 |
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| dims | :) | 14:14 |
| dhellmann | yeah, I'll handle that differently next time | 14:15 |
| dhellmann | and I'll send email announcing it as approved later today | 14:15 |
| ttx | Fun fact, we have nearly twice as many patchsets than a well-known vocal vertical team | 14:15 |
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| dims | automation for the win! :) | 14:16 |
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| dhellmann | it's a good thing we have more work to do, or we wouldn't qualify to vote in the ptl election soon ;-) | 14:16 |
| dims | LOL | 14:16 |
| dhellmann | ok, moving on | 14:17 |
| dhellmann | #topic Governance reviews | 14:17 |
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| dhellmann | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/364307/ | 14:17 |
| ttx | I singled two | 14:17 |
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| dhellmann | that one looks like it's an empty puppet repo | 14:17 |
| dhellmann | I assumed they were adding more stuff to their current release | 14:17 |
| dims | y, don't understand the rush | 14:18 |
| dhellmann | I guess we've done that for other deployment projects, since they're so decomposed already. I don't know why I voted -1 here | 14:18 |
| dhellmann | although the governance patch shouldn't block creating the repository | 14:18 |
| ttx | For that one I'm "whatever, dude" | 14:18 |
| ttx | if EmilienM wants it, he shall have it | 14:19 |
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| dhellmann | maybe I thought it would interfere with the validation for the final newton deliverable? | 14:19 |
| dims | EmilienM : you can do anything you want with that repo right now, so what's stopping its use? | 14:19 |
| dhellmann | I don't remember now if we kept the check to ensure that all repos were being tagged | 14:19 |
| ttx | dhellmann: that part will likely skip Newton anyway | 14:20 |
| dhellmann | meh, it's a separate deliverable so that wouldn't matter | 14:20 |
| EmilienM | dims: nothing, they can start working on it | 14:20 |
| dhellmann | ttx: right, but all of the scripts don't know that | 14:20 |
| EmilienM | dims: someone from Mirantis afik wanted to start coding on it | 14:20 |
| ttx | dhellmann: there are other bits that won't get released in Newton | 14:20 |
| dhellmann | yeah | 14:20 |
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| dims | Lol, will ping them internally as well | 14:20 |
| dhellmann | I can't remember why I said -1 on this one. Maybe I needed more caffeine. | 14:21 |
| ttx | we almost need branches on the yaml file | 14:21 |
| dhellmann | dims, I'm going to go ahead and +1 this | 14:21 |
| EmilienM | dhellmann: no worries :D | 14:21 |
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| dhellmann | ttx: yes, or to move some of the information into the releases repo instead of the governance repo | 14:21 |
| ttx | starting to wonder if we should not maintain the repo/mapping/releasemodel ina separate file in releases | 14:21 |
| dhellmann | ttx: exactly | 14:21 |
| dims | dhellmann : ok | 14:21 |
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| dhellmann | we can talk about that at the summit | 14:21 |
| ttx | the only part that touches governance there is the election roll | 14:22 |
| ttx | but they could ask us for that data | 14:22 |
| dhellmann | ttx: I would be ok with tags and repos being defined in governance, and deliverables being defined in releases | 14:22 |
| ttx | although the release:none stuff would not make a lot of sense there meh | 14:22 |
| anteaya | anyone can create an electoral roll now | 14:22 |
| dhellmann | although even some of the tags might be easier to manage in releases | 14:22 |
| ttx | ah, yes, that's an option | 14:23 |
| dhellmann | types and models | 14:23 |
| anteaya | fungi: has a script and gerrit permissions now allow anyone to run it | 14:23 |
| ttx | anteaya: but they use the team/repo mapping that is in projects.yaml | 14:23 |
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| anteaya | yes | 14:23 |
| ttx | if we move that away in the releases repo, that means election rolls are controlled by release team | 14:23 |
| fungi | oh, right, i missed it's meeting time | 14:23 |
| ttx | I kind of like that, but I suspect others might object | 14:24 |
| dhellmann | fungi : sorry, I was rude and left you out of the courtesy ping | 14:24 |
| ttx | so we probably need to keep the project/repo map in governance | 14:24 |
| fungi | dhellmann: no worries. i caught up on other things! | 14:24 |
| * anteaya waits for fungi to catch up on the electoral roll creation bit | 14:24 | |
| dhellmann | ttx: yeah, I think we can move part of the data without breaking how we manage the election roles | 14:24 |
| ttx | anyway, not an urgent discussion at all | 14:25 |
| dhellmann | no | 14:25 |
| dhellmann | we have another governance change | 14:25 |
| dhellmann | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/364355/ | 14:25 |
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| dhellmann | that's to change the models for some of the tripleo projects | 14:25 |
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| dhellmann | and to add some type tags | 14:25 |
| ttx | for newton or ocata ? | 14:25 |
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| fungi | i don't have a vested interest in where project metadata ends up, just let me know and i can adjust tools/owners.py in the system-config repo (also we can move that elsewhere) | 14:26 |
| dhellmann | for ocata, I think | 14:26 |
| ttx | the quickstart change applies to newton in a way since it won't be released in newton | 14:26 |
| ttx | image-elements... | 14:26 |
| dhellmann | fungi : I'm not comfortable with the release team owning something related to building election rolls, but there are some parts that would be easier to manage if we did them in the releases repo instead of governance | 14:26 |
| fungi | the tags presumably? | 14:27 |
| ttx | ...follows milestones currently | 14:27 |
| dhellmann | oh, image-elements is doing beta tagging | 14:27 |
| dhellmann | fungi : yes, and deliverable composition | 14:27 |
| ttx | the type:library things... were those branched for newton ? | 14:27 |
| dhellmann | ttx: yeah, so this would be an OK change for us to take now, I guess | 14:27 |
| fungi | all electoral roll generation needs to know is the names of official teams and a list of their deliverable repos and their extra-atcs | 14:28 |
| dhellmann | ttx: no, they used b3 tags | 14:28 |
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| dhellmann | ttx: inccorrectly, but I didn't notice because the type was "unknown" | 14:28 |
| ttx | so those don't really apply for newton | 14:28 |
| dhellmann | ttx: well, those are only declaring the type properly | 14:28 |
| ttx | type:library stuff means branch | 14:28 |
| dhellmann | fungi : yep, that would stay in governance | 14:28 |
| dhellmann | ttx: hmm, yeah | 14:29 |
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| dhellmann | ok, so let's wait until ocata opens for this one | 14:29 |
| ttx | I guess if we are done with all lib branching we can change that now | 14:29 |
| dhellmann | heh | 14:30 |
| dhellmann | we're tracking what has been branched and what hasn't in the dashboard, so I think it's safe to make this change now. I also think it's fine to wait 2 weeks. | 14:30 |
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| ttx | OR we tag 5.0.0 and branch VERY soon | 14:30 |
| ttx | (on os-cloud-config) | 14:30 |
| ttx | (same for os-collect-config) | 14:31 |
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| ttx | and the other two | 14:31 |
| dhellmann | EmilienM : do you know the plan for a final release for the tripleo os-*-config projects? are they going through rc1, or a final version # next week? | 14:31 |
| ttx | If they do final release I would leave the type out and turn them to milestone-driven | 14:32 |
| ttx | for the time being | 14:32 |
| dhellmann | ttx: the way the build works now, no matter when we add the type tag it's going to cause the newton page to be rendered differently | 14:32 |
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| dhellmann | that's another argument for putting that info in the releases repository | 14:33 |
| fungi | was "lib branching" the reason for needing a stable branch of openstackclient? | 14:33 |
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| dhellmann | fungi : yeah, that's why it ended up with one | 14:33 |
| dhellmann | that project may need a different type tag | 14:33 |
| fungi | dtroyer wasn't sure exactly why he was asked to add stable branch management to a non-library client utility | 14:33 |
| EmilienM | dhellmann: i'll do rc1 next week | 14:33 |
| EmilienM | dhellmann: and if we have bugfix between rc1 and final, we'll do rc2 or/and final release | 14:33 |
| EmilienM | is it ok? | 14:33 |
| ttx | EmilienM: yes, but we'll probably align the governance change you proposed to reflect that | 14:34 |
| dhellmann | fungi , dtroyer : the project follows a cycle-based model, so it'll get branches. it has the type:library tag now, which is probably just bad metadata, but only led to the branch happening early (it's not why it branched, just why that happened last week) | 14:34 |
| ttx | i.e. remove type:library and set release:cycle-with-milestones instead | 14:34 |
| EmilienM | damn, you talked about os- | 14:34 |
| ttx | os- yes | 14:34 |
| EmilienM | I need coffee too... sorry | 14:34 |
| EmilienM | so no, final version next week | 14:34 |
| ttx | Coffee at 4pm ? No, you need beer | 14:35 |
| dhellmann | EmilienM : ok | 14:35 |
| EmilienM | ttx: it's 10h34am here | 14:35 |
| ttx | EmilienM: no excuse | 14:35 |
| EmilienM | ttx: I live in Canada :) | 14:35 |
| dhellmann | EmilienM : rye, then? | 14:35 |
| ttx | EmilienM: I know, that's why you need alcohol | 14:35 |
| EmilienM | dhellmann: :) | 14:35 |
| fungi | dhellmann: so we expect to have stable point releases of openstackclient? who consumes those? | 14:35 |
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| EmilienM | #action EmilienM to propose tripleo os-* final release next week | 14:35 |
| dhellmann | fungi : distros who want bug fixes | 14:35 |
| fungi | got it | 14:36 |
| fungi | and should the repo have stable:follows-policy then? | 14:36 |
| ttx | dhellmann: so I think the change is ok, except the os-* changes should remove type:library and set release:cycle-with-milestones instead | 14:36 |
| dhellmann | oh, it's classified as a library because it shows up in the dependency list for a bunch of projects | 14:36 |
| fungi | tonyb wasn't sure where sable branch management extended in this case | 14:36 |
| dhellmann | including other client libs | 14:36 |
| fungi | fun | 14:36 |
| dhellmann | http://paste.openstack.org/show/570213 | 14:36 |
| fungi | so it's being treated as a sort of "command-line library" i guess | 14:37 |
| dhellmann | yes | 14:37 |
| dhellmann | that will change when those projects rely on osc-lib instead, I guess | 14:37 |
| ttx | fungi: could be proprietary then | 14:37 |
| ttx | :P | 14:37 |
| fungi | indeed! | 14:37 |
| * stevemar lurks | 14:37 | |
| fungi | good thing it's released under an osi-approved license | 14:37 |
| ttx | stevemar: unfair, we didn't even use the trigger word | 14:37 |
| fungi | so i don't have to complain | 14:37 |
| dhellmann | ttx, EmilienM : so where did we land? does this patch need to be changed or do we just wait? | 14:38 |
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| dtroyer | dhellmann: (coming to this late) that is likely to not change for the projects that treat OSc CLI as their API interface | 14:38 |
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| dims | ttx : you said osc :) | 14:38 |
| stevemar | ttx: you used a word that starts in o and ends in penstackclient | 14:38 |
| dims | or dhellmann did ! | 14:38 |
| ttx | dhellmann: 16:36 <ttx> dhellmann: so I think the change is ok, except the os-* changes should remove type:library and set release:cycle-with-milestones instead | 14:38 |
| dhellmann | dtroyer : ah, ok, I thought that osc-lib was to avoid that, but maybe type:library is ok then | 14:38 |
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| dtroyer | it is, for python interfaces | 14:38 |
| dtroyer | puppet calls the cli | 14:38 |
| dhellmann | ttx: could you post that on the review? | 14:39 |
| ttx | Sure, if you agree | 14:39 |
| dhellmann | dtroyer : yeah, we don't count it as a lib for things like puppet | 14:39 |
| dhellmann | ttx: yes | 14:39 |
| EmilienM | dtroyer: right, we trust and rely 100% on osc | 14:39 |
| dhellmann | dtroyer : more for things like python-*client | 14:39 |
| EmilienM | dtroyer: so we don't have to rewrite a client in puppet | 14:39 |
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| EmilienM | dtroyer: we did it in the past and failed to maintain it. | 14:39 |
| dhellmann | I think that's resolved, so let's move on | 14:40 |
| dhellmann | #topic open discussion | 14:40 |
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| dhellmann | ttx, you wanted to discuss the release stewards thread? | 14:40 |
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| ttx | quickly | 14:41 |
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| ttx | people seem to read something else than what I wrote, which is... interesting | 14:41 |
| dhellmann | I wonder if it would have been less controversial if we hadn't attached a new name | 14:41 |
| ttx | Some seem to think it's yet another mandate from "the top", so I think we need to take clearer ownership of it soon | 14:42 |
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| dims | ttx : "we" as in release team? | 14:42 |
| ttx | that said, we would not be the only consumers of that person | 14:42 |
| ttx | dims: yes | 14:42 |
| ttx | which is why the name evolved | 14:42 |
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| ttx | and that may explain some of the confusion | 14:43 |
| dhellmann | I think a lot of the friction is actually coming from teams that have their PTLs as release managers more than team leads | 14:43 |
| ttx | We are saying that the person who will do release liaison for the cycle would also be the point of contact to organize the related PTG, attend the N-1 summit... | 14:43 |
| dhellmann | or at least where that's the focus of the leadership work | 14:43 |
| ttx | i.e. we define a new "role" that goes beyond pure release liaisoning | 14:44 |
| ttx | which implies it's the same person doing all the components of that role | 14:44 |
| dhellmann | I wonder if we need to make this change right away? | 14:45 |
| ttx | (compared to defining a set of tasks which would be held by default by PTL and which he could (or not delegate to one or more people) | 14:45 |
| ttx | I think we don't need to rush anything | 14:45 |
| dims | ttx : ihrachys point needs to be addressed - "There is a significant difference between release liaison role defined to handle cross project work, and release steward defined for what seems to be purely internal project matters." | 14:45 |
| fungi | i read it as no actual governance model change, just encouraging teams to have per-release liaisons (stewards) as ptl delegates | 14:45 |
| dims | from http://markmail.org/message/cbyowascvsuwrqvu | 14:46 |
| dhellmann | if the teams who are opposed to this don't see the issue because they're focused on finishing this release, and we can wait until they do see the issue, it might be easier to address at that point | 14:46 |
| ttx | dims: I think he is mistaken, the role would not be purely internal | 14:46 |
| dhellmann | fungi : yes, that's pretty much it | 14:46 |
| ttx | In particular that person would get to talk to ProductWG / Ops | 14:46 |
| ttx | attend "forum" sessions in Boston | 14:46 |
| dhellmann | s/get/be expected to/ | 14:46 |
| ttx | caolesce the feedback and build priorities | 14:46 |
| dims | ok both external and internal | 14:46 |
| dhellmann | yes, it's taking the liaison role and adding new responsibilities that used to be part of the PTLs duties | 14:47 |
| dhellmann | because the PTL election cycle and release cycle no longer sync up | 14:47 |
| fungi | i'm not a fan of the subsequent proposals to officially alter all ptl elections or efficacy dates in ways that artificially tie them even more to the release cycle model followed by service deliverables | 14:47 |
| ttx | so maybe it's that bundling that people are uncomfortable with | 14:47 |
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| dhellmann | fungi : nor am I | 14:47 |
| dims | and use the release boundary as the duration of their super powers | 14:47 |
| anteaya | I think people are uncomfortable with change, any change | 14:48 |
| dhellmann | ttx: maybe we should define the problem in more detail, like you just did | 14:48 |
| ttx | dhellmann: also a lot of people think of the proposal as "change" while it merely explain s what the future will look like unless we change the charter | 14:48 |
| anteaya | we have so much change that I think we as a group have reached a limit of being able to accept it as a group | 14:48 |
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| dhellmann | ttx: yeah | 14:48 |
| anteaya | that doesn't mean that we can't change just that we seem to be losing more and more folks with every change | 14:49 |
| ttx | that is, the ball is not in our court | 14:49 |
| ttx | dhellmann: at this stage people spread so much confusion on this I feel like any more explanation would only add to the confusion | 14:49 |
| dhellmann | ttx: right, that's what I mean by define the problem better -- let the teams think about what is going to happen a bit and then see if the solution is more palatable | 14:49 |
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| ihrachys | anteaya: maybe. engineers know how to operate in current framework, we are comfortable with the current mode of operation. | 14:50 |
| dhellmann | ttx: maybe we just drop it for now, then | 14:50 |
| anteaya | ihrachys: well I think that people have decided to refuse to make the effort | 14:50 |
| dims | since teams can do this already, we should position this as something we learned in some projects (say Nova) and we would like other projects to consider, i think | 14:50 |
| ihrachys | ttx: I would consider that a bug in split proposal that we have not synced the current wording to reflect the status quo. | 14:50 |
| anteaya | ihrachys: and are encouraging others to do the same | 14:50 |
| dhellmann | dims : right | 14:50 |
| ttx | "split proposal" ? You mean Ocata release schedule ? | 14:51 |
| anteaya | ihrachys: there is no status quo having a ptg is new | 14:51 |
| ihrachys | ttx: status quo being - ptls are getting in power on release boundary | 14:51 |
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| ihrachys | ttx: I mean split summit proposal, sorry | 14:51 |
| persia | Rather than explicit release stewards, you might set expectations of the PTL (or a delegate) to cover the broken cycle, with the expectation that many projects will choose overlapping delegates to avoid confusion as things develop. | 14:51 |
| ttx | ihrachys: that never was the status quo... PTLs are getting in power a number of weeks before the "Summit" event | 14:51 |
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| ttx | Now that might have been a silly rule | 14:52 |
| ihrachys | ttx: you get what I mean. :) | 14:52 |
| anteaya | persia: I think the phrase broken cycle is inaccurate, nothing is broken | 14:52 |
| dhellmann | persia : yeah, that's what I mean by defining the problem better and letting the teams have time to see this as a reasonable solution | 14:52 |
| persia | So that if someone who didn't meet with PWG/Ops, etc. became PTL, they would rely on the prior delegate/PTL, etc. | 14:52 |
| persia | anteaya: I'm happy with "misaligned" if you prefer :) | 14:52 |
| anteaya | persia: different, new? | 14:53 |
| dhellmann | so, did we agree to let this wait for now? or do we need to take some more specific action? | 14:53 |
| persia | anteaya: I specifically meant that release cycles no longer match election cycles. My words are not intended to be part of the debate over PTG. | 14:54 |
| ttx | ihrachys: would you support sdague's proposal, which is that PTL get i power 3 months after their election ? That's a simpler change to make | 14:54 |
| ttx | that way " ptls are getting in power on release boundary" | 14:54 |
| ttx | i.e. without making the term of people we'll elect starting today only 4 months | 14:54 |
| ihrachys | ttx: would syncing the current wording on election dates with what we had before (-2weeks from release boundary) as first step, and then discussing a *change* to elect them at the time of summit separately be a possible path forward? or you stick to the idea that the ball is on dev side to introduce a change to keep the current mode of operation? | 14:55 |
| anteaya | persia: okay well it is tough to get 'release cycles no longer match elections cycles' into a word or shorter phrase, I agree | 14:55 |
| ihrachys | ttx: we can discuss time (I feel 3months is too much for 6months cycle), but yeah, I generally agree with the idea of giving some more time for transition. | 14:55 |
| fungi | worth noting, having the election happen half a cycle before the effective date of office extends the commitment for a ptl candidate term by ~50% | 14:55 |
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| dhellmann | fungi : good point | 14:56 |
| persia | It also complicates expectations of org management when approving or denying a request to stand for election. | 14:56 |
| fungi | so instead of knowing you can carve out the next 6 months to serve as ptl, you'll now need to know you can be available 9 months out | 14:56 |
| dhellmann | we're about out of time | 14:56 |
| fungi | i don't know whether or not that's significant for most teams, but for those who rotate ptls often it might be | 14:56 |
| ttx | ihrachys: that "syncing" must be proposed by someone. | 14:56 |
| ihrachys | fungi: at the same time, it gives elected folks some time to wrap up their current affairs. the way it is now, we basically ask to commit themselves TOMORROW *if* they are elected. | 14:57 |
| ttx | ihrachys: it would in effect align elections with "release boundary" (which would need to be defined) | 14:57 |
| fungi | ihrachys: agreed. though i feel like in most projects people know who's going to run for ptl and have time for them to get up to speed on the duties before they self-nominate | 14:58 |
| dhellmann | yay, making release scheduling even harder | 14:58 |
| ttx | ihrachys: just feels weird to run elections starting today and not knowing when people will be repleaced.. in February or Apil. | 14:58 |
| ttx | April | 14:58 |
| dhellmann | "we can't have the release then, because that puts the election on a major holiday week" | 14:58 |
| ttx | dhellmann: oh yes, fun | 14:58 |
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| dhellmann | ok, I think we've said all we can on that in the meeting | 14:59 |
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| dhellmann | thank you, everyone! | 14:59 |
| ttx | FTR I don't care that much about PTL election date... only that we ahve people attached to release cycle | 14:59 |
| ttx | to act as contact points | 14:59 |
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| dhellmann | agreed | 14:59 |
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| dhellmann | see you in #openstack-release | 15:00 |
| dhellmann | #endmeeting | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Fri Sep 9 15:00:10 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/releaseteam/2016/releaseteam.2016-09-09-14.01.html | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/releaseteam/2016/releaseteam.2016-09-09-14.01.txt | 15:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/releaseteam/2016/releaseteam.2016-09-09-14.01.log.html | 15:00 |
| ttx | I felt like we didn't need to change the standing election timeframe rule, but maybe we do | 15:00 |
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