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| JRobinson__ | Hi all, we'll start the OpenStack APAC docs meeting in about 15 minutes | 00:15 |
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| JRobinson__ | we'll start the OpenStack Docs meeting very soon! Please stand by. | 00:28 |
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| JRobinson__ | #startmeeting docteam | 00:31 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Sep 7 00:31:16 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is JRobinson__. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 00:31 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 00:31 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 00:31 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'docteam' | 00:31 |
| JRobinson__ | Hi o/ who is here for the Docs team meeting ? | 00:31 |
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| bmoss | o/ | 00:34 |
| darrenc | \o | 00:34 |
| JRobinson__ | hi bmoss and darrenc o/ | 00:34 |
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| JRobinson__ | I think we might need one more to reach minimum attendance? | 00:35 |
| JRobinson__ | I think it's worth bringing up the summit prep at least though. | 00:36 |
| darrenc | I wonder if kato is around | 00:36 |
| JRobinson__ | So we'll hold on for a bit in case anyone else can make it | 00:36 |
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| bmoss | it is a bit quiet today | 00:37 |
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| * loquacities is lurking | 00:39 | |
| loquacities | (i'm distracted, though) | 00:39 |
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| JRobinson__ | Well that's four, so I'm going to run through these points anyway so there's a record of the summit prep, which is a priority | 00:39 |
| JRobinson__ | #topic Action items from last meeting | 00:40 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Action items from last meeting (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 00:40 | |
| JRobinson__ | And there are exactly none to action. | 00:40 |
| JRobinson__ | #topic Specs in Review | 00:40 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Specs in Review (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 00:40 | |
| JRobinson__ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/docs-specs,n,z | 00:41 |
| JRobinson__ | There are four at the moment. The Release chapter to the contributor guide is important - | 00:41 |
| JRobinson__ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/365870/ | 00:41 |
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| JRobinson__ | There are three others that also need review: | 00:42 |
| JRobinson__ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/364477/ | 00:42 |
| JRobinson__ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/354093/ | 00:42 |
| JRobinson__ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/336007/ | 00:43 |
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| JRobinson__ | Olga's patch on release notes guidelines is also close to merging, and was included in the repo in June 30 | 00:43 |
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| JRobinson__ | #action contributors to review the new and older specs | 00:44 |
| JRobinson__ | #topic Speciality teams | 00:44 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Speciality teams (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 00:44 | |
| JRobinson__ | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Speciality_Team_Reports | 00:44 |
| JRobinson__ | There's not too much to report on this close to release | 00:45 |
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| JRobinson__ | I have no user guide updates - I'm considering removing the US User Guide meeting, however, since attendance is low. | 00:45 |
| JRobinson__ | Any other speciality team updates? | 00:46 |
| loquacities | install guides need testing | 00:46 |
| darrenc | Nothing from me | 00:46 |
| JRobinson__ | loquacities, thanks, and darrenc also thanks | 00:47 |
| JRobinson__ | #Action Testing for the Install guide | 00:47 |
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| JRobinson__ | #info thank you if you have started testing. If you want to begin, testing is always welcome. | 00:47 |
| JRobinson__ | #topic Countdown to release | 00:48 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Countdown to release (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 00:48 | |
| JRobinson__ | #info 28 days | 00:48 |
| loquacities | eep! | 00:48 |
| JRobinson__ | #link http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/launch?iso=20161006T00&p0=1440&msg=OpenStack+Newton+Launch+Date&font=slab | 00:48 |
| JRobinson__ | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/NewtonDeliverables | 00:48 |
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| JRobinson__ | the good news is newton deliverables are on track | 00:48 |
| JRobinson__ | many are complete. | 00:49 |
| loquacities | \o/ | 00:49 |
| bmoss | huzzah! | 00:49 |
| JRobinson__ | It's stellar work from all the contributors this release :) | 00:49 |
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| JRobinson__ | #topic Summit Prep | 00:49 |
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| JRobinson__ | The etherpad for summit docs sessions is ready for content: | 00:50 |
| JRobinson__ | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Ocata-DocsSessions | 00:50 |
| JRobinson__ | #action Please add any thoughts on summit discussion topics to the etherpad | 00:50 |
| JRobinson__ | This is everyone's chance to suggest and discuss docs changes for future releases like Pike and Queens, so do contribute. | 00:51 |
| JRobinson__ | (well, Ocata, Pike, and Queens. Sorry, getting a bit into the future there) | 00:51 |
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| JRobinson__ | Also, the Program Technical Gathering dates are set. This is the first PTG: | 00:52 |
| JRobinson__ | #info PTG Atlanta, USA. February 20 - 24, 2017. | 00:52 |
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| JRobinson__ | Accommodation and locating is still being decided. | 00:52 |
| JRobinson__ | ^location | 00:53 |
| JRobinson__ | Also, one link on PTGs: | 00:53 |
| JRobinson__ | #link http://www.openstack.org/ptg | 00:53 |
| JRobinson__ | the release cycle diagram on this page is useful. | 00:54 |
| JRobinson__ | Any more info on the PTG or summit to discuss? | 00:54 |
| loquacities | #link http://www.openstack.org/ptg/ptgfaq/ | 00:54 |
| loquacities | also, it's a short release cycle for ocata, so we may need to scale back our priorities a little | 00:54 |
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| JRobinson__ | That's right. Doug H. has a patch up on the release length: | 00:55 |
| JRobinson__ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/357214 | 00:55 |
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| loquacities | and yes, the holiday period in dec/jan will have an impact on how much we can deliver for ocata, too | 00:56 |
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| JRobinson__ | that's right, it might be a unique release. | 00:57 |
| bmoss | maybe Ocata should be more focused on paying down tech debt than introducing new stuff | 00:58 |
| loquacities | that's probably sensible | 00:58 |
| loquacities | we're making great progress on tech debt | 00:58 |
| bmoss | We really are! | 00:58 |
| JRobinson__ | Tech debt is a good idea for the next release, that's right/ | 01:00 |
| JRobinson__ | Any further thoughts? | 01:00 |
| JRobinson__ | We'll move on to open discussion otherwise | 01:00 |
| loquacities | none from me | 01:00 |
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| JRobinson__ | okay | 01:01 |
| JRobinson__ | #opendiscussion | 01:01 |
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| JRobinson__ | that was wrong, one second | 01:01 |
| JRobinson__ | #topic Open Discussion | 01:01 |
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| JRobinson__ | If not, we can end the meeting for today | 01:02 |
| bmoss | +1 | 01:03 |
| JRobinson__ | okay, thanks everyone! | 01:03 |
| JRobinson__ | #endmeeting | 01:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 01:03 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Sep 7 01:03:20 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 01:03 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2016/docteam.2016-09-07-00.31.html | 01:03 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2016/docteam.2016-09-07-00.31.txt | 01:03 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2016/docteam.2016-09-07-00.31.log.html | 01:03 |
| loquacities | thanks JRobinson__ i appreciate you stepping in there :) | 01:03 |
| JRobinson__ | loquacities, no problems, it was good to get to the PTG points. | 01:03 |
| darrenc | thanks JRobinson__ | 01:03 |
| JRobinson__ | darrenc, np :) | 01:04 |
| bmoss | cheers all | 01:04 |
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| therve | #startmeeting heat | 08:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Sep 7 08:00:18 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is therve. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 08:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 08:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: heat)" | 08:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'heat' | 08:00 |
| therve | #topic Roll call | 08:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Roll call (Meeting topic: heat)" | 08:00 | |
| therve | Who's in :) | 08:00 |
| ramishra | hi | 08:01 |
| duvarenkov | hi | 08:01 |
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| skraynev | hi | 08:01 |
| KanagarajM | hi | 08:01 |
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| ricolin_afk | hi | 08:01 |
| therve | tiantian, stevebaker, Qiming? | 08:01 |
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| ochuprykov | hi | 08:01 |
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| Qiming | o/ | 08:02 |
| elynn | Hi~ | 08:02 |
| therve | Cool! | 08:02 |
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| therve | #topic Adding items to agenda | 08:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Adding items to agenda (Meeting topic: heat)" | 08:02 | |
| therve | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/HeatAgenda#Agenda_.282016-09-07_0800_UTC.29 | 08:02 |
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| therve | #topic RC1 status | 08:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "RC1 status (Meeting topic: heat)" | 08:03 | |
| therve | #link https://launchpad.net/heat/+milestone/newton-rc1 | 08:03 |
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| therve | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/heat-newton-reviews | 08:03 |
| therve | We're not too bad | 08:04 |
| ramishra | therve: convergence patches seem ok to me, we can probably get them merged soon. | 08:04 |
| therve | Yep that'd be good | 08:04 |
| ricolin_afk | would like to add https://review.openstack.org/#/c/249713/ to FFE if that's ok | 08:05 |
| therve | I saw that this test patch is finally green | 08:05 |
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| shardy | o/ | 08:05 |
| tiantian | hi | 08:05 |
| therve | ricolin_afk, Hummm.... | 08:05 |
| prazumovsky | Hi | 08:05 |
| ramishra | yeah, its green:) Hope a rebase does not make it red again;) | 08:05 |
| ricolin_afk | therve: or I can add the release note for cinder::qos_specs | 08:06 |
| therve | I'm not super excited to sneak that in | 08:06 |
| ricolin_afk | prazumovsky: I current put the release note together in the last patch... | 08:07 |
| therve | ricolin_afk, I'd be slightly more confident if we could actually review it :) | 08:07 |
| therve | But we can't even do that | 08:07 |
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| prazumovsky | Ok:) | 08:07 |
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| ricolin_afk | prazumovsky: Hi! | 08:08 |
| therve | That said, it's a new resource, but there is little impact | 08:08 |
| ricolin_afk | therve: Then I just put the release note for Cinder::QoSSpecs on another patch | 08:08 |
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| therve | ricolin_afk, That sounds unrelated, to be fair. You should do that anyway | 08:09 |
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| ricolin_afk | therve: OK | 08:09 |
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| therve | K | 08:10 |
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| therve | Otherwise releases happened, the stable ones a bit after n3 | 08:11 |
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| therve | Nothing else wrt RC1? | 08:11 |
| zhihui__ | hi therve | 08:12 |
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| therve | zhihui__, Hi | 08:12 |
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| therve | #topic Open discussion | 08:12 |
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| therve | Got some stuff here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ocata-heat-sessions | 08:13 |
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| ricolin_afk | therve: Have we already knows how many Fishbowl, working room we get? | 08:15 |
| therve | ricolin_afk, No | 08:15 |
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| Qiming | "The first person to suggesting converting the RPC interfaces to oslo.versionedobjects will be summarily ejected from the meeting.." | 08:17 |
| therve | That sounds like what Zaid would say | 08:17 |
| therve | Zane | 08:17 |
| Qiming | emm, can someone shed me some lights on this? | 08:18 |
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| Qiming | I was even thinking exactly the opposite direction ... making all things versioned (request, response, db objects, notifications ...) | 08:19 |
| therve | Frankly I don't know the issue. I know that our current usage of ovo is pointless, but that's it | 08:20 |
| Qiming | that ovo indirection does nothing, indeed | 08:20 |
| therve | Adding versions everywhere doesn't really solve much, AFAICT, unless you have ways to be backward compatible | 08:21 |
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| therve | Feel free to send an email to the ML if you want to talk about that one | 08:22 |
| therve | Anyway, we can continue to sync on the etherpad for some of those | 08:23 |
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| therve | #endmeeting | 08:23 |
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| therve | Thanks all! | 08:23 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Sep 7 08:23:19 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 08:23 |
| Qiming | yup, got it | 08:23 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2016/heat.2016-09-07-08.00.html | 08:23 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2016/heat.2016-09-07-08.00.txt | 08:23 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2016/heat.2016-09-07-08.00.log.html | 08:23 |
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| tonyb | you're early and I'm late ;P | 11:59 |
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| prometheanfire | ah | 11:59 |
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| tonyb | #startmeeting requirements | 12:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Sep 7 12:00:16 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tonyb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 12:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 12:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'requirements' | 12:00 |
| tonyb | ping for sigmavirus, number80, dirk, coolsvap, toabctl | 12:00 |
| number80 | o/ | 12:00 |
| toabctl | hi | 12:01 |
| coolsvap_ | o/ | 12:01 |
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| dirk | o/ | 12:01 |
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| tonyb | Let's get started .... | 12:01 |
| tonyb | #topic Any controversies in the Queue? | 12:02 |
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| coolsvap | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/366631/ | 12:02 |
| tonyb | given we're in freeze things are quiet | 12:02 |
| tonyb | coolsvap: what's up with that? | 12:02 |
| coolsvap | question : do we need explicit mail on list related to all FFEs? | 12:02 |
| dirk | Well, in general there are quite a few uc changes that didn't get in | 12:02 |
| prometheanfire | o/ | 12:03 |
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| dirk | So now we have the funny situation that releases.openstack.org says that something has been released for Newton while it is not used for Newton gating | 12:03 |
| coolsvap | the commit message indicates the requirement | 12:03 |
| dirk | Is that really how we want it? | 12:03 |
| toabctl | dhellmann, maybe also interessting for you^^ | 12:04 |
| dirk | I wonder which version of package should be used for Newton by downstream distribution vendors | 12:04 |
| tonyb | coolsvap: Yeah we're supposed to discuss them on the list | 12:04 |
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| tonyb | dirk: let's come back to that in open discussion | 12:04 |
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| dirk | Tonyb: ok | 12:05 |
| coolsvap | tonyb: thanks I conveyed the message | 12:05 |
| prometheanfire | ya, I'm not adverse to bumping the minimum but reason must be given on the mailing list | 12:05 |
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| tonyb | coolsvap: When we see the message I'll look into the re-release impact | 12:05 |
| prometheanfire | next time we should send an email out to the PTLs asking for gr bumps | 12:05 |
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| tonyb | prometheanfire: Yeah we'll try to do that 2 weeks befoer freeze | 12:06 |
| prometheanfire | we have a similiar situation with oslo.db | 12:06 |
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| sigmavirus | o/ | 12:06 |
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| tonyb | prometheanfire: it'll all depend on the impact of the bump re-releasing 1? 10? 50? packages? | 12:06 |
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| tonyb | prometheanfire: Yeah I we shoudl talk about oslo.db | 12:07 |
| prometheanfire | yep | 12:07 |
| tonyb | So the u-c bump seems pretty simple the g-r change less so | 12:07 |
| tonyb | it's certainly somethign we can take after we lift the freeze as backporting it to stable would be within the policy | 12:08 |
| prometheanfire | yes, for both | 12:08 |
| prometheanfire | well, just oslo.db I guess | 12:08 |
| prometheanfire | true, we could roll that way | 12:09 |
| tonyb | taking the g-r change impacts 40 projects 25 are services so they're more or less okay, 1 is a library so it's not *terrible* to take the bump | 12:09 |
| prometheanfire | the main reason I'd put forth on doing it now is to let packagers know, now is the time they start looking/packaging a release (at least I typically do) | 12:09 |
| tonyb | the positional change can't be backported so it's now or never | 12:10 |
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| number80 | tonyb: it's actually required (positional 1.1.1) | 12:10 |
| number80 | we had failures w/ 1.0.1 on our downstream CI with old positional | 12:10 |
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| dirk | Yep, anything older does not work | 12:10 |
| prometheanfire | then we need an FFE on the ML at least | 12:11 |
| tonyb | number80: right but positional 1.1.1 is in u-c so that's the recommended package | 12:11 |
| tonyb | number80: I agree that we have a correctness issue here | 12:11 |
| number80 | tonyb: yeah, but most downstream relies on g-r as we can't update everything to what's in u-c | 12:11 |
| number80 | well, if it contradicts policy, then we can just deny it anyway | 12:12 |
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| tonyb | I guess we need to see the FFE request then I'll look into the impact | 12:13 |
| prometheanfire | I don't think it contradicts policy | 12:13 |
| prometheanfire | we need an FFE request maninly (and like tony just said, to look at impact) | 12:14 |
| number80 | ack | 12:14 |
| tonyb | Yeah positional is unlikey to get an FFE as it'll for a re-release of keystone* and oslo.context which will have a heap of knock on releases | 12:14 |
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| number80 | ack, well we fixed that issue downstream, so it's not critical for us | 12:15 |
| tonyb | any other controversies? | 12:15 |
| number80 | bu38 | 12:15 |
| number80 | (sorry) | 12:15 |
| prometheanfire | as a packager if I didn't know about this situation I probably wouldn't bump it for newton | 12:16 |
| prometheanfire | I have 1.0.1 packaged and don't see a reason to package the new version if it satisfies reqs | 12:16 |
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| dirk | The alternative would be to make things work again with the old version | 12:16 |
| dirk | Not sure it that is easier | 12:16 |
| tonyb | prometheanfire: well if you don't package barbican .... | 12:17 |
| prometheanfire | number80: was it fixed via a project changing their requirements? | 12:17 |
| prometheanfire | tonyb: true | 12:17 |
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| tonyb | moving on .... | 12:18 |
| tonyb | #topic Barcelona Design Summit | 12:18 |
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| number80 | prometheanfire: fixed by updating our positional package and packaging | 12:18 |
| prometheanfire | number80: so you don't ensure the new version is installed? | 12:19 |
| tonyb | nothing to say really just we've requested a session so we shoudl start deciding what we want to talk about fo 40mins ... | 12:19 |
| number80 | prometheanfire: we do | 12:20 |
| dirk | lessons learned and plans for ocata | 12:20 |
| number80 | *nods* | 12:20 |
| tonyb | dirk: yeah that'd work ;P | 12:20 |
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| tonyb | #topic mascot | 12:21 |
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| tonyb | waiting got the 'waterfall' artwork, we get it in Barcelona | 12:21 |
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| prometheanfire | nice | 12:22 |
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| tonyb | #topic Coordinating with the release team | 12:22 |
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| tonyb | Ummm not sure what we need to say here, I think things are working. | 12:23 |
| prometheanfire | yep, think so | 12:23 |
| tonyb | There was a question ... 'stable branch for openstack/requirements' | 12:23 |
| tonyb | Not sure what? ... anyone? | 12:23 |
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| prometheanfire | ? | 12:24 |
| prometheanfire | not sure what? | 12:24 |
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| sigmavirus | tonyb: maybe someone was confused as to when it would be cut? | 12:24 |
| prometheanfire | what are you asking? | 12:24 |
| sigmavirus | ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ | 12:24 |
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| dirk | yeah, when is the branch being created I guess is the question | 12:24 |
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| tonyb | prometheanfire: This was on the agenda I don't know what it's for. | 12:24 |
| tonyb | prometheanfire: I was hoping whoever put it there would speak up .... | 12:25 |
| prometheanfire | I think it's just a subject | 12:25 |
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| prometheanfire | when and if cores here have/need access to it are the questions | 12:25 |
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| prometheanfire | at least how I intrepret it | 12:25 |
| * coolsvap think it could be the question | 12:26 | |
| coolsvap | it was on the agenda last week as well | 12:26 |
| tonyb | prometheanfire: Oh okay so requirements-core have access to the master branch stable-maint-core has access to the stable/* branches | 12:26 |
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| tonyb | prometheanfire: We'll look at growing a 'requirements-stable-core' group but that'll be post Barcelona | 12:27 |
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| tonyb | prometheanfire: does that help? | 12:27 |
| prometheanfire | yep | 12:28 |
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| tonyb | #topic Tasks from Etherpad | 12:28 |
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| tonyb | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/requirements-tasks | 12:28 |
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| prometheanfire | completed another one off of 20 | 12:28 |
| tonyb | we're in freeze so I guess now would ba a good time to curate the list | 12:28 |
| prometheanfire | just one more to go, which already has a +2 | 12:29 |
| tonyb | prometheanfire: nice. | 12:29 |
| prometheanfire | next?\ | 12:30 |
| tonyb | #topic Volunteer for next meeting | 12:30 |
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| tonyb | - Sep 21 | 12:30 |
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| tonyb | Do we still want to keep rotating this? I can just take them unless I'm traveling .... | 12:31 |
| dirk | I'm fine with tonyb :) | 12:32 |
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| prometheanfire | worksforme | 12:32 |
| coolsvap | fine with me :) | 12:32 |
| dirk | I can also be a backup for Sep 21 should you not have time | 12:32 |
| tonyb | dirk: Thanks | 12:32 |
| prometheanfire | I just don't want to do the 28th | 12:32 |
| tonyb | #topic Open Discussion | 12:33 |
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| coolsvap | tonyb++ just let us know when you are not able to | 12:33 |
| prometheanfire | or two weeks in a row, (have to wake up for this) :P | 12:33 |
| prometheanfire | tonyb: about positional | 12:33 |
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| tonyb | dirk? what was the deal you were talking about | 12:33 |
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| tonyb | prometheanfire: sure what's new | 12:33 |
| prometheanfire | thinking | 12:34 |
| dirk | tonyb: sure | 12:34 |
| dirk | so, there is a mismatch right now in what is used for gating vs what was released tagged for newtong | 12:34 |
| dirk | newton | 12:34 |
| tonyb | prometheanfire: Yeah, thinking is good :) | 12:34 |
| dirk | consider https://review.openstack.org/#/c/364898/ | 12:34 |
| prometheanfire | if the 'broken' projects already have the updates in their requirements then I guess it's just a correctness change (as it is now) | 12:34 |
| dirk | vs https://releases.openstack.org/newton/index.html | 12:34 |
| dirk | that page mentions ceilometerclient 2.6.0 and 2.5.0 as being newton releases | 12:35 |
| dirk | but currently uc limits to 2.5.0 iirc | 12:35 |
| prometheanfire | uc limits to 1 | 12:36 |
| dirk | its the case for a whole bunch of releases that happened recently just after the freeze | 12:36 |
| prometheanfire | just one release, so it'd be wrong either way | 12:36 |
| tonyb | dirk: right but post freeze 2.6.0 will be fine on stable/newton | 12:36 |
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| prometheanfire | gr bumps are the main thing we worry about | 12:36 |
| dirk | well, we need to worry about both imho :) | 12:36 |
| dirk | I don't think its good to have releases for newton that are not used for newton gating | 12:37 |
| dirk | ceilometerclient might not be the best example in that regard, there is probably a better one | 12:37 |
| prometheanfire | then we should branch soon? | 12:37 |
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| tonyb | prometheanfire: we branch after all the services | 12:37 |
| prometheanfire | perhaps we should branch earlier and accept gr updates during the early time | 12:38 |
| tonyb | we're always last | 12:38 |
| prometheanfire | is there a reason? | 12:38 |
| dirk | tonyb: so we plan to do those newton release bumps only on the stable/newton branch? | 12:38 |
| tonyb | prometheanfire: Yeah branching early has the potential for drift that is harder to resolve | 12:38 |
| dirk | doesn't sound perfect change for a stable branch imho | 12:38 |
| dirk | those version bumps could have some downsides | 12:39 |
| prometheanfire | ya, keeping it in sync would be harder | 12:39 |
| tonyb | dirk: no on master and stable/newton | 12:39 |
| number80 | ack | 12:39 |
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| prometheanfire | but I think the overhead of dealing with this is worse atm | 12:39 |
| tonyb | dirk: Well it'll be up to $project to request it but it's not impossible we just can't do it now | 12:40 |
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| dirk | tonyb: sure, ok, master and newton. but that means newton will get changes post relaase that are bigger version bumps | 12:40 |
| dirk | tonyb: why can we not do it now? they don't propagate into other projects afaik | 12:40 |
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| dirk | as long as we are sure that the uc change does not break the gating checks somewhere and release team is aware of it happening it might be okay to do it now I'd think | 12:40 |
| toabctl | and we would get testing for the latest newton releases from the different projects. | 12:41 |
| dirk | or alternatively there shouldn't be further releases for "newton" done by the release team that are not reflected in uc changes | 12:41 |
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| tonyb | dirk: They can apply for an FFE ... if the impact is small then fine but 1 idea of the freeze od u-c is to give distros a chance to package all-the-things | 12:41 |
| prometheanfire | as a distro I didn't know this | 12:42 |
| dirk | tonyb: right.. as a matter of fact I'm part of the distro folks and I don't know what to package :) | 12:42 |
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| tonyb | dirk: releases are client/library frozen so if there are rleases they'll be for good reasons (like oslo.db) | 12:42 |
| prometheanfire | also, as a distro I'd rather see a branch and take from that (it's what I generally wait for) | 12:42 |
| dirk | tonyb: should I package what has been tested for newton or should I package what has been released for newton? | 12:42 |
| tonyb | dirk: tested, that's part of the commitment behind u-c | 12:43 |
| dirk | ok, so packagesr should use uc if possible and not newer releases? | 12:43 |
| toabctl | well - for the ceilometerclient example, the new release (not in u-c) is full of bugfixes. I would use that (I'm also packaging for a distro) | 12:43 |
| dirk | even if they were released as target for newton? | 12:43 |
| prometheanfire | yes, UC is what is tested | 12:43 |
| tonyb | dirk: right if it's not in u-c it hasn't been tested so there's a risk | 12:44 |
| dirk | tonyb: right, do you want the risk upstream or somewhere downstream? | 12:44 |
| dirk | the problem is as a distributor I can always go up a version but I can never go down a version ;) | 12:44 |
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| prometheanfire | toabctl: I'd probably like that, but we don't always know that | 12:44 |
| dirk | so right now I'd have to stick with 2.5.0 even though 2.6.0 is much better judging fromthe commit log | 12:44 |
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| tonyb | dirk: we'd only go backwards if theer was a problem with $version | 12:45 |
| prometheanfire | as a distro I can go forward and back :D | 12:45 |
| dirk | prometheanfire: I need a time machine for going back ;) | 12:45 |
| prometheanfire | dirk: use gentoo :P | 12:45 |
| tonyb | now now ;P | 12:45 |
| prometheanfire | anyway, sidetracking | 12:45 |
| tonyb | so it seems like there is still some confusion about g-r and u-c | 12:46 |
| tonyb | that'd be a good thing to discuss in person | 12:46 |
| dirk | tonyb: my suggestion should be that we'd discuss with release team on what to do with those (I think its just 5 or so) releases that came just after the freeze | 12:46 |
| * prometheanfire wishes he'd go to the summit | 12:46 | |
| toabctl | os-vif is another example | 12:46 |
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| dirk | tonyb: well, its not so much about g-r and u-c as about u-c vs what is in the releases.openstack.org database | 12:47 |
| tonyb | toabctl: Right ... *cough* FFE *cough* | 12:47 |
| prometheanfire | ya | 12:47 |
| dirk | tonyb: at one of the previous summits as far as I remember dough and thierry announced that releases is supposed to be used for openstack packaging | 12:47 |
| prometheanfire | people should be using that a bit more... | 12:47 |
| prometheanfire | FFE that is | 12:47 |
| dirk | which is fine by me. I just see that there is a mismatch now for that vs what was tested | 12:48 |
| dirk | we can keep it at that mismatch and ignore it or try to solve it somehow | 12:48 |
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| prometheanfire | dirk: last summit the consensus was that UC was what we should use | 12:48 |
| dirk | I would suggest to try to solve it | 12:48 |
| tonyb | dirk: huh, I'm not sure about that | 12:48 |
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| tonyb | prometheanfire: what did you come up with positional? | 12:49 |
| prometheanfire | as long as the projects that NEED a newer version have updated their requirements.txt packagers should be fine | 12:50 |
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| tonyb | prometheanfire: but they can't | 12:51 |
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| tonyb | prometheanfire: because it wouldn't pass the gate | 12:51 |
| prometheanfire | well, then there's a problem | 12:51 |
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| tonyb | prometheanfire: that's what g-r is for | 12:51 |
| prometheanfire | so then it needs to be bumped | 12:51 |
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| tonyb | prometheanfire: I agree that what we have is sub-optimal but bumping it would have a big impact on releases | 12:52 |
| prometheanfire | doing the right thing can be hard :D | 12:52 |
| * dirk back | 12:52 | |
| tonyb | prometheanfire: it's only tests that are broken | 12:52 |
| tonyb | IIUC | 12:53 |
| prometheanfire | if it's only tests that's better, though we support running tests before install | 12:53 |
| prometheanfire | we can restrict="tests" it though | 12:53 |
| tonyb | prometheanfire: and if you have packaged 1.1.1 from u-c you wont see a problem | 12:53 |
| prometheanfire | I think we should talk to the release team about the impact | 12:54 |
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| tonyb | prometheanfire: when there is a FFE email we can bring it up with dhellmann/ttx/dims | 12:54 |
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| prometheanfire | tonyb: the problem is, if packagers already have 1.0.1 packaged and it meets the requirements (gr being min version and uc being cap) then why do the extra work to bump? | 12:54 |
| tonyb | prometheanfire: that's what the FFE is for to decide if the process impact if worth the tech debt | 12:55 |
| toabctl | tonyb, I guess the people who do releases (like os-vif) don't even know that they need an FFE and I guess they also don't know that the new release is not tested. | 12:55 |
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| dirk | so should we as a requirements group just come up with the list of FFEs instead? | 12:55 |
| tonyb | toabctl: that could be true, but I know that when I'm spnning on a release I pay a lot of attention | 12:56 |
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| prometheanfire | dirk: I'm starting to think so | 12:56 |
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| dirk | if we agree on that and it just requires a volunteer then let me know ;) | 12:56 |
| tonyb | So I have 2 views 1) there is nothign stopping y'all doing that thing | 12:56 |
| * prometheanfire wants to send a ffe for positional | 12:56 | |
| tonyb | nothign says who has to raise the FFE, just that we need one to facilitate discusson | 12:56 |
| prometheanfire | k | 12:57 |
| toabctl | well - *I* can't say *why* os-vif is really needed. I can just copy the git commit messages in the FFE. | 12:57 |
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| toabctl | and for that we can have a bot :) | 12:57 |
| dirk | toabctl: hopefully that was already discussed at the time when the release was made post freeze | 12:58 |
| tonyb | toabctl: We'll you could jump on #openstack-nova ask ask the os-vif cores for help | 12:58 |
| dirk | so we might just take a look at the discussion of the PR at releases repo | 12:58 |
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| tonyb | I can say that a poorly thought out FFE puts lots of work on PTLs | 12:59 |
| dirk | tonyb: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/365104/ | 12:59 |
| tonyb | for instance I lost a day to the oslosphinx one | 12:59 |
| dirk | tonyb: it actually says "point of the release is to fix some gating issue" | 12:59 |
| dirk | which basically means we should merge the uc change | 12:59 |
| prometheanfire | tonyb: endmeeting? | 12:59 |
| tonyb | #endmeeting | 12:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Sep 7 12:59:37 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 12:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/requirements/2016/requirements.2016-09-07-12.00.html | 12:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/requirements/2016/requirements.2016-09-07-12.00.txt | 12:59 |
| tonyb | Thanks everyone | 12:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/requirements/2016/requirements.2016-09-07-12.00.log.html | 12:59 |
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| tonyb | prometheanfire: you're early again | 12:59 |
| prometheanfire | I use ntp :P | 13:00 |
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| toabctl | :) | 13:00 |
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| joehuang | hello | 13:01 |
| zhiyuan | hello | 13:01 |
| dongfeng | hello | 13:01 |
| joehuang | #startmeeting tricircle | 13:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Sep 7 13:01:33 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is joehuang. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tricircle' | 13:01 |
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| Yipei_ | hi | 13:01 |
| joehuang | #topic rollcall | 13:01 |
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| joehuang | #info joehuang | 13:01 |
| WuCheng | hi | 13:01 |
| yinxiulin | #info xiulin | 13:02 |
| zhiyuan | #info zhiyuan | 13:02 |
| joehuang | hi WuCheng, first time to meet you here | 13:02 |
| WuCheng | yeah | 13:02 |
| joehuang | could you introduce yourself shortly? | 13:02 |
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| WuCheng | hello everyone,I'm ZhuangzhuangXu,or Wucheng | 13:03 |
| hejiawei | #info jiawei | 13:03 |
| Yipei_ | #info Yipei | 13:03 |
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| joehuang | great! welcome to join, Wucheng | 13:04 |
| Yipei_ | Zhuangzhuang is his real name | 13:04 |
| WuCheng | thanks | 13:04 |
| joehuang | so Wucheng is your nick name | 13:04 |
| WuCheng | the name in ali | 13:05 |
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| Yipei_ | he is a undergraduate student and going to be a master student of Prof. Fanmging Liu next year | 13:05 |
| WuCheng | yeah | 13:05 |
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| dongfeng | #info dongfeng.network connection failed. | 13:05 |
| joehuang | ok, next topic | 13:05 |
| joehuang | #topic feature parity review | 13:05 |
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| joehuang | please share your feature implementation progress shortly | 13:06 |
| Rong-hui | hello | 13:06 |
| joehuang | hi, Ronghui | 13:06 |
| Rong-hui | #Ronghui | 13:06 |
| Rong-hui | #info Ronghui | 13:06 |
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| yueyuquan | #info yueyuquan | 13:07 |
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| Yipei_ | @joe, about the error we discussed in the afternoon, i checked the source code, but fail to find where pod bindings are created | 13:09 |
| joehuang | hello, for policy control patch, needs your review, thanks | 13:09 |
| zhiyuan | (1) patch for l3 networking with shared vlan network has been merged (2) patches for resource clean-up have been submitted, waiting to be approved, there are 3 patches (3) local plugin and central plugin for project separation are under development, I have figured out how to implement basic VM booting and l3 E-W communication | 13:09 |
| zhiyuan | I think I will submit a specification document before submitting the codes | 13:10 |
| joehuang | to Zhiyuan, great, spec review is needed | 13:10 |
| joehuang | #action spec for Tricircle Local Neutron Plugin | 13:10 |
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| yinxiulin | I submitted a patch for part of server action, but Jeanks didn't pass. | 13:11 |
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| joehuang | to Yipei, you have not provided the value for the is_current_binding field in the test cases | 13:11 |
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| Yipei_ | you mean in test_az_ag.py? | 13:12 |
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| joehuang | to Xiulin, tempest not pass | 13:13 |
| zhiyuan | for the jenkins problem xiulin mentioned, I checked the logs of nova api gateway and found "EndpointNotUnique" exception was raised, a bit strange | 13:13 |
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| zhiyuan | the exception means that for one service in one pod, we find more than one url | 13:13 |
| Rong-hui | i finish the wiki and add some new way to install tricircle with virtualbox | 13:13 |
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| zhiyuan | will check with xiulin tomorrow | 13:14 |
| yinxiulin | thanks zhiyuan | 13:14 |
| joehuang | to Ronghui, thank you very much to provide the guide | 13:14 |
| liukun | #info hi | 13:15 |
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| joehuang | so xiulin, keep going | 13:16 |
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| yinxiulin | ok, thanks for zhiyuan's and your help | 13:16 |
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| hejiawei | for me,I l am learning use tox to test my patch, when I use this command "tox -v -epep8" test my patch,it show the all resuilt of tricircle.I don't know how to test my patch singly | 13:17 |
| joehuang | if you finisihed a feature, please update the google doc | 13:17 |
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| joehuang | you can run flake8 locally | 13:17 |
| joehuang | if flake8 succeed, then pep8 could be pass in most cases | 13:18 |
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| zhiyuan | before you run flake8, you need to install test requirement, run "pip install -r test-requirements.txt" under tricircle folder | 13:19 |
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| dongfeng | for me, I will use curl to get and set the relevant values and use those values to verify the correctness of the features of pod and pod bindings. is it correct ? I will use the same logic as test_pod.py which is located "tricircle/tricircle/tests/unit/api/controllers". for short, the content of test_pod.py is at http://paste.openstack.org/show/567459/ | 13:19 |
| joehuang | yes, dongfeng | 13:19 |
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| hejiawei | ok, I will try it. | 13:19 |
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| zhiyuan | there is a "hacking" lib in the requirement, which adds some OpenStack-specific style check | 13:20 |
| dongfeng | ok, i will try and submit a patch to test pod and pod bindings. | 13:20 |
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| Yipei_ | @joe, so i need to provide the values of newly added field in unit tests? but i did not find it in former code, is there any example that i can follow | 13:21 |
| joehuang | to dongfeng, good, once you know how to test a feature, then you can develop feature, and verify it works or not | 13:21 |
| joehuang | to Yipei, yes | 13:22 |
| zhiyuan | I remember that we already have tests for pod and binding api? | 13:22 |
| dongfeng | it is unit test and it is located at tricircle/tricircle/tests/unit/api/controllers | 13:22 |
| joehuang | to zhiyuan, yes, it's functional test | 13:23 |
| joehuang | https://github.com/openstack/tricircle/blob/master/tricircle/tests/functional/api/controllers/test_pod.py | 13:23 |
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| zhiyuan | oh, so unit tests will be added? | 13:24 |
| joehuang | maybe we don't need to provide tempest test cases? for functional test will load web app too | 13:24 |
| joehuang | no | 13:24 |
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| joehuang | I think functioanl test is good enough if it covers all condition | 13:24 |
| joehuang | to Dongfeng, one second | 13:25 |
| dongfeng | ok | 13:25 |
| joehuang | do you plan to add tempest test for pod and podbinding or only unit test? | 13:26 |
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| dongfeng | is tempest test a must ? | 13:27 |
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| joehuang | this is a question | 13:28 |
| joehuang | zhiyuan, what's your proposal? | 13:28 |
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| zhiyuan | i think currently functional test is enough since our API is not that complex, just database operation | 13:31 |
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| joehuang | to yipei, when you call get_pod_by_az_tenant. the binding will be created in this function, but the value for is_current_binding is not provided, and it's not-null field, so the issue happened, you must provide value in create binding | 13:32 |
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| Rong-hui | so for the existing patch, it is not necessary to use tempest test? | 13:32 |
| joehuang | to Zhiyuan, I think so | 13:32 |
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| joehuang | so for Dongfeng, maybe provide API for the routing table will be a good try | 13:33 |
| zhiyuan | we need tempest test for nova api gateway and cinder api gateway, but no need to write new tests | 13:33 |
| zhiyuan | just reuse tempest tests for nova api and cinder api, like what we are doing noew | 13:33 |
| joehuang | +1 | 13:34 |
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| Rong-hui | ok | 13:35 |
| joehuang | dongfeng, how about to develop the API for the routing table? you can refer to Pod/PodBinding | 13:35 |
| dongfeng | ok. | 13:36 |
| zhiyuan | you can see from xiulin's patch that relavant tempest tests are enabled along with feature implementation | 13:36 |
| joehuang | you have writen the documentation for Pod/PodBinding, so you know how to test that using curl | 13:36 |
| Yipei_ | @joe, i see, but in the function, there is not any line creating pod bindings | 13:37 |
| joehuang | line 145~151 https://github.com/openstack/tricircle/blob/1f4d505b84e3c110a6be3b387e0aa236feb55d50/tricircle/common/az_ag.py | 13:38 |
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| joehuang | for db accessing, it'll be better to move the table operation to db_api.py | 13:39 |
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| Yipei_ | i see, i just search the unit test cases | 13:40 |
| joehuang | #action move db access code to db_api.py | 13:40 |
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| Yipei_ | i will fix the error, and begin designing the unit tests | 13:41 |
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| joehuang | for core.query_resource and core.create_resource etc calling, it will be better to move these to db_api.py | 13:41 |
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| joehuang | to Ronghui, for cinder API-GW api, tempest test is necessary | 13:42 |
| Rong-hui | ok | 13:42 |
| joehuang | ok, next topic | 13:43 |
| joehuang | #topic Tricircle Splitting | 13:44 |
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| joehuang | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/TricircleSplitting | 13:44 |
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| joehuang | your comments are very important | 13:46 |
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| joehuang | #info discussion in the etherpad https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/TricircleSplitting | 13:53 |
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| zhiyuan | @joe, almost 10pm, shall we update the etherpad offline? | 13:57 |
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| joehuang | ok, let's update and disucss offline | 14:00 |
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| joehuang | #endmeeting | 14:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Sep 7 14:01:39 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:01 |
| joehuang | bye | 14:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2016/tricircle.2016-09-07-13.01.html | 14:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2016/tricircle.2016-09-07-13.01.txt | 14:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2016/tricircle.2016-09-07-13.01.log.html | 14:01 |
| Rong-hui | bye | 14:01 |
| Yipei_ | bye | 14:01 |
| WuCheng | bye | 14:01 |
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| krotscheck | #startmeeting javascript | 14:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Sep 7 14:02:00 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is krotscheck. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:02 |
| hejiawei | bye | 14:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: javascript)" | 14:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'javascript' | 14:02 |
| krotscheck | #chair vkramskikh | 14:02 |
| openstack | Current chairs: krotscheck vkramskikh | 14:02 |
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| krotscheck | Good morning everyone! | 14:02 |
| vkramskikh | hi | 14:02 |
| yujunz | Hi | 14:02 |
| krotscheck | #link Agenda: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/javascript-meeting-2016-09-07 | 14:02 |
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| larainema | o/ | 14:02 |
| krotscheck | omg larainema is here! | 14:02 |
| krotscheck | \o/ | 14:02 |
| cardeois | Hello ! | 14:02 |
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| krotscheck | In random project news, our DSVM gates are now voting. | 14:02 |
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| cardeois | \o/ | 14:03 |
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| krotscheck | Muchos thanks to cardeois for all his work on that :) | 14:03 |
| krotscheck | Alrightey, let's pick up last week | 14:03 |
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| krotscheck | #topic Action followup: Storyboard story for jsdoc-sphinx | 14:04 |
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| krotscheck | #link https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/2000716 | 14:04 |
| krotscheck | #topic krotscheck split design-by-documentation into to-implement segments | 14:04 |
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| krotscheck | A bit of progress. | 14:04 |
| krotscheck | Oh wait. | 14:04 |
| krotscheck | There was progress, which I forgot to submit as a patch before I handed my HPE laptop back | 14:05 |
| krotscheck | Soooo no progress | 14:05 |
| * krotscheck facepalms | 14:05 | |
| krotscheck | vkramskikh: Can you take over the meeting for a few minutes? My son just woke up. | 14:05 |
| yujunz | Have we got contact with upstream maintainer? | 14:05 |
| cardeois | oh no | 14:05 |
| vkramskikh | krotscheck: sure | 14:05 |
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| vkramskikh | #topic Action followup: vkramskikh Swithc to babel-transform-runtime | 14:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Action followup: vkramskikh Swithc to babel-transform-runtime (Meeting topic: javascript)" | 14:06 | |
| vkramskikh | so I've prepared the patch and it was merged | 14:06 |
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| vkramskikh | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/365728/ | 14:06 |
| cardeois | Merged and working, good job vkramskikh | 14:06 |
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| krotscheck | Yeah, super bonus on that | 14:06 |
| vkramskikh | so the bundle is now 24kb instead of 250kb | 14:06 |
| krotscheck | yujunz: We have no contact yet. | 14:07 |
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| krotscheck | ...but what's an order of magnitude between friends ;) | 14:07 |
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| vkramskikh | #topic MVP Progress: Glance.imageList | 14:07 |
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| vkramskikh | if I'm correct, this was implemented and merged | 14:08 |
| cardeois | yes it was | 14:08 |
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| krotscheck | That is correct. | 14:08 |
| vkramskikh | good job folks :) | 14:08 |
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| krotscheck | Lots of churn on trying to figure out why those tests were failing :) | 14:08 |
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| cardeois | Yeah but now that's fixed other components will be done faster | 14:09 |
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| vkramskikh | #topic MVP Progress: other services | 14:09 |
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| cardeois | for neutron, I've started and will soon open a review. Trying to fix some cors issues right now | 14:09 |
| vkramskikh | awesome! | 14:09 |
| cardeois | I already have this review to share more code between services https://review.openstack.org/#/c/366222/ | 14:09 |
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| vkramskikh | do I understand it right - we've agreed that all the services listed in the etherpad are required for MVP? | 14:10 |
| cardeois | I think so yes | 14:10 |
| krotscheck | vkramskikh: Yes, the goal for MVP is "launch an instance with an image, network, and flavor" | 14:11 |
| vkramskikh | ok, thanks | 14:11 |
| vkramskikh | is anyone else working on some other servce? | 14:11 |
| krotscheck | I'm working on nova, however it brought up an annoying bit about version detection and the keystone catalog | 14:11 |
| krotscheck | So, some services can be registered with a specific version API. | 14:11 |
| krotscheck | Others are registered with the root API, from which a version can be detected. | 14:12 |
| krotscheck | The former requires auth. The latter doesn't. | 14:12 |
| krotscheck | (example: http://nova-host/v2 vs http://glance-host/ | 14:12 |
| cardeois | Yeah right, but the component name in the catalog has one entry per version (if multiple ones are supported) | 14:12 |
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| cardeois | So it's not trivial, but it's like there is 2 standards (the old one with specific version) and the new one with version detection | 14:13 |
| krotscheck | Right. | 14:13 |
| krotscheck | My thought is that I can extend the version detection algorithm to first query the 'configured' endpoint with no auth token, and if it gets a 401 try the parent. | 14:14 |
| krotscheck | It's not optimal. | 14:14 |
| cardeois | ok or should we assume for nova that we don't discover version and suppose the URL endpoint is correct? | 14:14 |
| vkramskikh | I think it should be fine for MVP | 14:14 |
| krotscheck | cardeois: Can we do that? We may not support that particular API microversion | 14:14 |
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| cardeois | I'm not sure but if there's a new version I think it will be called something like "novav2" instead of "nova" | 14:15 |
| cardeois | I don't have a catalog entry right now, but I think that's the case for some components where I've seen 3 different components for the same type (volume) with 3 different names | 14:16 |
| cardeois | each containing the version | 14:16 |
| cardeois | like "volume", "volume_v2" etc (still not sure as I don't have the catalog) | 14:16 |
| krotscheck | Yeah, exacly | 14:17 |
| krotscheck | I'll play with it, see what I can come up with. | 14:17 |
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| cardeois | sure | 14:17 |
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| krotscheck | Should we be implementing keyList as well? Assign a key to an instance? | 14:17 |
| cardeois | what's that? | 14:18 |
| krotscheck | ssh key preloaded on the host | 14:18 |
| cardeois | oh, mhh yeah that would be nice I guess | 14:18 |
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| krotscheck | Alright, let's put that in as a nice-to-have | 14:19 |
| cardeois | sure | 14:19 |
| krotscheck | The other thing we need for an MVP is decent documentation | 14:19 |
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| krotscheck | Which is the next topic. | 14:20 |
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| vkramskikh | #topoc MVP progress: Switch Keystone Configuration input to catalog entry. | 14:20 |
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| vkramskikh | oops | 14:21 |
| vkramskikh | #topic Create wrapper class that takes clouds.yaml instance | 14:21 |
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| krotscheck | Right, those two go hand in hand | 14:21 |
| krotscheck | No progress on my end. Anyone else want to volunteer for this? | 14:22 |
| cardeois | Yeah so that's the main Openstack class right? | 14:22 |
| krotscheck | Yep. | 14:22 |
| krotscheck | First draft of that can just be a configuration reader, we can layer on the autoconfig logic in other patches | 14:22 |
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| cardeois | well I'd like to but I want to close neutron first, and I won't be able to start thoses tasks until next week or later | 14:23 |
| krotscheck | That's fair. | 14:23 |
| krotscheck | vkramskikh: Are you still focused on fuel-ui for newton? | 14:24 |
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| vkramskikh | krotscheck: yep, I'm still busy with Fuel, can't volunteer on this | 14:24 |
| larainema | I would like to volunteer, but i didn't catch up all the patches these weeks :( | 14:24 |
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| krotscheck | larainema: The effort would be to replace the Test class in index.js with one called OpenStack, and to copy the configuration parsing from keystone.js into that class. | 14:25 |
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| krotscheck | Then, to change the keystone.js class to take a configuration instance much like the glance.js class does (slightly different format, see /tests/helpers/data/glance.js for an example. | 14:25 |
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| larainema | OK, i will first take it and I will ask questions if i didn't get it | 14:26 |
| krotscheck | larainema: The overall reason is that a query to get the service catalog from keystone returns a specific data format (see test data for keystone), which we'd like to be the default data format for instantiating a service. | 14:26 |
| krotscheck | larainema: Awesome, thanks! | 14:26 |
| * krotscheck is on a bouncer, feel free to ask :) | 14:26 | |
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| vkramskikh | #action larainema implement OpenStack class which works with clouds.yaml | 14:27 |
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| vkramskikh | #topic MVP progress: Documentation | 14:27 |
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| krotscheck | Right, so we actually need our stuff to be understandable, right? | 14:28 |
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| krotscheck | We have library reference docs, but those aren't really as useful as narrative howto's. | 14:29 |
| krotscheck | The first step of that is updating the Readme.md | 14:29 |
| krotscheck | Which is pretty simple - Say: Here's what this is, our documentation lives Over There (tm), here's where you contribute, yay! | 14:30 |
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| krotscheck | That's blocked though because our docs jobs haven't landed yet. | 14:30 |
| cardeois | Yeah that's easy I can do it if you want. | 14:30 |
| krotscheck | Sorry | 14:30 |
| krotscheck | The doc PUBLISH jobs haven't landed. | 14:30 |
| krotscheck | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/346131/ | 14:30 |
| cardeois | I'm really bad at writting documentation but this I can do | 14:30 |
| cardeois | Why is this blocked? | 14:31 |
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| krotscheck | Honestly, I don't know. | 14:31 |
| krotscheck | I need to talk to AJaeger about it when I get some time. | 14:31 |
| cardeois | alright | 14:32 |
| krotscheck | You can at least write the readme and set up a depends-on so it doesn't merge until we know where the docs will live. | 14:32 |
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| krotscheck | #action cardeois Write a better README.md file | 14:33 |
| krotscheck | ^^ not to be confused with a better mousetrap | 14:33 |
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| krotscheck | afk, diaper | 14:33 |
| vkramskikh | alright, I think we've already discussed Getting Started Documentation topic | 14:34 |
| vkramskikh | #topic How to release documentation | 14:34 |
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| vkramskikh | yeah, we definitely need it, I don't know the whole process but AFAIR from eslint-config-openstack it includes some black magic jobs which publish new packages to npm | 14:35 |
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| vkramskikh | I think krotscheck can tell us a lot here, but he's AFK :) | 14:36 |
| cardeois | Ok but what's the difference between what's your talking about and this https://review.openstack.org/#/c/346131/ ? | 14:36 |
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| vkramskikh | ohh, I think I was confused by the topic | 14:37 |
| vkramskikh | I read it like we need docs for how to release the library | 14:37 |
| vkramskikh | sorry, next topic then | 14:38 |
| vkramskikh | #topic OSI Licenses | 14:38 |
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| vkramskikh | I've seen krotscheck today posted his concerns about React's license | 14:38 |
| cardeois | what were his concerns? | 14:39 |
| krotscheck | Right | 14:39 |
| krotscheck | I was thinking "DOcumentation on how to release" | 14:39 |
| krotscheck | betherly is actually an expert on that. | 14:39 |
| krotscheck | But we've moved on. | 14:39 |
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| cardeois | ok let's maybe go back to this topic after the current one? | 14:40 |
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| krotscheck | So, I put my concerns on the react.js license to the dev list, and dims immediately forwarded it to the legal-discuss list | 14:40 |
| vkramskikh | https://www.mail-archive.com/openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org/msg91713.html | 14:40 |
| krotscheck | From what I know of the history, Google had some serious issues with the license, but then facebook modified it, and suddenly google was ok. | 14:40 |
| krotscheck | So, it _could_ be fine. | 14:40 |
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| vkramskikh | BTW, fuel-ui is not the only openstacl project which uses react.js: https://github.com/openstack/tripleo-ui | 14:41 |
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| krotscheck | However, I want to make sure we cover our butts on this | 14:41 |
| vkramskikh | yeah, let's wait for the answer | 14:42 |
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| krotscheck | Here's the link to the legal-discuss thread http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/legal-discuss/2016-September/000418.html | 14:42 |
| krotscheck | That's all I have on that. | 14:42 |
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| vkramskikh | ok, let's go to the previous topic then | 14:43 |
| vkramskikh | #topic How to release documentation | 14:43 |
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| krotscheck | Ok, so releasing docs | 14:44 |
| krotscheck | Or rather, "how to release" documentaiton | 14:44 |
| krotscheck | A lot of this is already written, I just want to make sure the cores on the project go through and make sure they can read it. | 14:44 |
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| krotscheck | THe important thing to note is that using 'npm version' is NOT the right way to do it. | 14:45 |
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| krotscheck | The reason is really just a race condition. | 14:45 |
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| krotscheck | npm version will tag and push a tag, but it won't send up the corresponding patch for review. The way that zuul-cloner works, it results in trying to check out a sha that doesn't exist, and the whole thing fails. | 14:46 |
| cardeois | oh right | 14:46 |
| krotscheck | So we have to increment the version manually, then tag. | 14:46 |
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| krotscheck | (after the patch has landed. | 14:46 |
| vkramskikh | where can we read it? | 14:46 |
| krotscheck | betherly did an initial pass in this review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/356473/1/doc/source/releasing.rst | 14:47 |
| cardeois | But can we still do tags with a patch? | 14:47 |
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| cardeois | Ok I remove my question, was answered by the review | 14:48 |
| krotscheck | Righto | 14:48 |
| krotscheck | #action krotscheck propagate https://review.openstack.org/#/c/356473/1/doc/source/releasing.rst to js-openstack-lib and js-generator-openstack | 14:49 |
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| krotscheck | Okies | 14:49 |
| * krotscheck is done | 14:49 | |
| yujunz-zte | A quick question. Why eslint-config-openstack skips version 3.x | 14:49 |
| yujunz-zte | npm info eslint-config-openstack gives '2.0.0': '2016-06-02T19:09:41.954Z', | 14:50 |
| yujunz-zte | '4.0.1': '2016-08-05T23:39:44.989Z' }, | 14:50 |
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| vkramskikh | #topic Open discussion | 14:50 |
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| krotscheck | yujunz-zte: Yes - so, that was because when we tried to release eslint-config-openstack, we realized that we had to land the version before tagging. | 14:50 |
| vkramskikh | yujunz-zte: AFAIR there were some issues with the jobs like krotscheck descrbied above | 14:50 |
| vkramskikh | so v3 was not released correctly | 14:50 |
| cardeois | Little comment on functional-test. Jasmine runner doesn't output test results anymore. That's a bug since 2.5.0 that will soon be resolved. We can either let it like that or fix to version 2.4.x | 14:51 |
| yujunz-zte | I thought we once wanted to align the version with eslint version | 14:51 |
| krotscheck | yujunz-zte: Yes, we did. Infra didn't want to oblige us by rolling the tag back. | 14:51 |
| yujunz-zte | OK... Let's wait for eslint to catch up | 14:52 |
| krotscheck | cardeois: Oh, good to konw. Thanks | 14:52 |
| krotscheck | Other thing: Did anyone notice that our coverage statistics are totally off? | 14:52 |
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| yujunz-zte | No, since when? | 14:53 |
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| krotscheck | I don't know since when, but there's symptoms. | 14:53 |
| cardeois | well unit tests are not that bad. functional-test I'm not sure we should have coverage. I mean it's different as we can't handle exceptions like service is down or somthing | 14:53 |
| krotscheck | The browser tests all report 100% coverage (0 lines) | 14:53 |
| krotscheck | (I think( | 14:53 |
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| krotscheck | Unit tests report one thing in the console output, but istanbul check-coverage seems to test against a different set of values. | 14:54 |
| krotscheck | To see that in action, try setting the failure threshold in istanbul.yml to just below what the console reports. | 14:54 |
| cardeois | Also the "cover" directory gets pushed but is unreadable as links are broken. e.g http://logs.openstack.org/28/365728/2/check/gate-js-openstack-lib-nodejs4-npm-run-test/82370ab/cover/ | 14:55 |
| krotscheck | Oh, fun fun. | 14:55 |
| cardeois | oh ok I didn't noticed that. Will check | 14:55 |
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| krotscheck | Right. | 14:56 |
| krotscheck | Example of 100% coverage http://logs.openstack.org/28/365728/2/check/gate-js-openstack-lib-nodejs4-npm-run-test/82370ab/cover/unit/browser/Chromium%2051.0.2704%20(Ubuntu%200.0.0)/ | 14:56 |
| cardeois | It's broken because the logs.openstack.org seems to allow only index.html files but doesnt allow URLS liks: http://logs.openstack.org/xxx/index.html only http://logs.openstack.org/xxx/ will work | 14:56 |
| cardeois | Oh right. | 14:56 |
| krotscheck | That seems silly | 14:57 |
| krotscheck | Ok, seems like we should just put a story up. | 14:57 |
| cardeois | yeah | 14:57 |
| krotscheck | https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/2000717 | 14:57 |
| krotscheck | There ya go | 14:57 |
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| krotscheck | 3 minute warning, anything else? | 14:57 |
| yujunz-zte | Any news for the coming summit? | 14:57 |
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| * krotscheck is not attending. | 14:58 | |
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| * vkramskikh will attend | 14:58 | |
| * cardeois will attend | 14:58 | |
| krotscheck | Is there still interest in an SDK hack session? If so I'll try to get us space. | 14:58 |
| cardeois | I'd like to yes | 14:58 |
| * jprivard is not attending. | 14:58 | |
| * yujunz-zte will attend | 14:58 | |
| cardeois | well except if we're only 2 interested. | 14:59 |
| krotscheck | I've asked the API WG to push for an SDK program under the TC, peer with the other openstack projects | 14:59 |
| cardeois | and did you get any status on that? | 14:59 |
| vkramskikh | let's continue in #openstack-javascript - time is up | 14:59 |
| krotscheck | Basically a "Yes we want this too" | 14:59 |
| krotscheck | ok | 14:59 |
| vkramskikh | #endmeeting | 14:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 15:00 | |
| krotscheck | Thanks everyone! | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Sep 7 14:59:58 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/javascript/2016/javascript.2016-09-07-14.02.html | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/javascript/2016/javascript.2016-09-07-14.02.txt | 15:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/javascript/2016/javascript.2016-09-07-14.02.log.html | 15:00 |
| cardeois | thanks ! | 15:00 |
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| Zara | anyone about for the storyboard meeting? | 15:00 |
| SotK | o/ | 15:00 |
| Zara | #startmeeting storyboard | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Sep 7 15:00:43 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Zara. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'storyboard' | 15:00 |
| Zara | #topic Announcements | 15:01 |
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| Zara | hm, none listed, although... | 15:01 |
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| Zara | #info infra are doing a bugsquash Weds 14th september, starting 16:00UTC | 15:01 |
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| Zara | I expect storyboard to be quite busy for that | 15:02 |
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| Zara | (and similar for our humble meeting next week) | 15:02 |
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| Zara | #topic Urgent Items | 15:03 |
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| Zara | nothing listed | 15:03 |
| Zara | #topic In-progress Work | 15:03 |
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| SotK | I finally sent the patch to rework the task list | 15:04 |
| Zara | \o/ | 15:04 |
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| SotK | and I'm about to send the patch to add an "add to worklist" button for tasks | 15:05 |
| Zara | I was fussy but it looks like there are only minor fixes left | 15:05 |
| SotK | and then I'll rebase the complex priorities patch on top of that and we'll have a great time | 15:05 |
| Zara | =D | 15:05 |
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| Zara | I've been documenting our dear little python client | 15:07 |
| Zara | with some example commands for usage | 15:07 |
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| Zara | and also getting it to work with StoryBoard instances that have self-signed certs | 15:07 |
| Zara | so that people can actually test scripts on storyboard-dev.openstack.org | 15:08 |
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| Zara | so that should make it much easier to have a play with it | 15:08 |
| SotK | thanks for that, it'll make actually using it much easier | 15:08 |
| Zara | (I also changed all the defaults so it no longer pointed at production) | 15:08 |
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| Zara | thanks :) | 15:09 |
| * Zara looks for links | 15:09 | |
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| Zara | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/366099/ | 15:10 |
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| Zara | oh, I think that's ready for +A | 15:11 |
| * SotK has a look | 15:11 | |
| Zara | oh, and apparently the docs for gerrit plugin commit syntax are still in review | 15:11 |
| Zara | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/360668/ | 15:11 |
| Zara | well... | 15:11 |
| Zara | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack-infra/python-storyboardclient+status:open | 15:11 |
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| Zara | that's probably hte best roundup. | 15:14 |
| Zara | does anyone have anything else they want to mention? I'm likely to be mainly reviewing things | 15:17 |
| SotK | it'd be nice for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/357354/ to get some review too | 15:17 |
| SotK | other than that I have nothing | 15:17 |
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| Zara | oh, oops, forgot about that | 15:19 |
| Zara | thanks for flagging it up | 15:19 |
| Zara | in that case... | 15:20 |
| Zara | #topic Open Discussion | 15:20 |
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| Zara | discuss away | 15:22 |
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| Zara | quiet week! | 15:23 |
| Zara | I'm fine to end the meeting if nobody has any burning issues | 15:23 |
| Zara | it sounds like folks don't. | 15:23 |
| matthewbodkin | my last meeting I suppose is a point | 15:24 |
| matthewbodkin | so thanks for everything guys | 15:24 |
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| Zara | haha, oh yes, I forgot! you're welcome! :) | 15:25 |
| Zara | maybe we should've made an announcement | 15:26 |
| Zara | Friday's your last day, right? | 15:26 |
| matthewbodkin | yep | 15:26 |
| Zara | we will have all the ascii cake :) | 15:26 |
| Zara | I want to say 'I hope it's been fun' but it feels weird talking in the past tense early | 15:27 |
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| Zara | so... 'til friday :) | 15:27 |
| matthewbodkin | I know that's why I didn't really bring it up | 15:27 |
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| matthewbodkin | but seriously thankyou to SotK and Zara, you've both helped me learn so much :D | 15:28 |
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| SotK | you're welcome :) | 15:28 |
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| Zara | np, it's been nice working with you (and you can stick around if you want, yay open source! I just assume you'll be more busy with other things.) | 15:29 |
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| matthewbodkin | yes I'll probably be drowning in college work :/ yay | 15:29 |
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| Zara | \o/ | 15:34 |
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| Zara | any more for any more/ | 15:37 |
| Zara | ? | 15:38 |
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| matthewbodkin | not from me :) | 15:38 |
| SotK | _o_ | 15:38 |
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| Zara | okay, I'll end the meeting | 15:38 |
| Zara | #endmeeting | 15:38 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Sep 7 15:38:43 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:38 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2016/storyboard.2016-09-07-15.00.html | 15:38 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2016/storyboard.2016-09-07-15.00.txt | 15:38 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2016/storyboard.2016-09-07-15.00.log.html | 15:38 |
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| smcginnis | #startmeeting Cinder | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Sep 7 16:00:01 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is smcginnis. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Cinder)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cinder' | 16:00 |
| jungleboyj | o/ | 16:00 |
| _alastor__ | \o | 16:00 |
| jgregor | Howdy | 16:00 |
| smcginnis | ping dulek duncant eharney geguileo winston-d e0ne jungleboyj jgriffith thingee smcginnis hemna xyang1 tbarron scottda erlon rhedlind jbernard _alastor_ bluex patrickeast dongwenjuan JaniceLee cFouts Thelo vivekd adrianofr mtanino yuriy_n17 karlamrhein diablo_rojo jay.xu jgregor baumann rajinir wilson-l reduxio wanghao thrawn01 chris_morrell stevemar watanabe.isao,tommylike.hu | 16:00 |
| erlon | hey | 16:00 |
| e0ne | hi | 16:00 |
| geguileo | Hi! | 16:00 |
| eharney | hi | 16:00 |
| flip214 | hi | 16:00 |
| DuncanT | Hi | 16:00 |
| bswartz | o./ | 16:00 |
| bswartz | .o/ | 16:00 |
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| xyang1 | hi | 16:00 |
| smcginnis | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CinderMeetings#Next_Cinder_Team_meeting | 16:00 |
| diablo_rojo | Hello :) | 16:00 |
| smcginnis | #topic Announcements | 16:00 |
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| Swanson | Hi | 16:01 |
| scottda | hi | 16:01 |
| fernnest_ | hi | 16:01 |
| smcginnis | #link https://releases.openstack.org/newton/schedule.html Schedule | 16:01 |
| smcginnis | We're getting really close. | 16:01 |
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| smcginnis | As a reminder, we are past feature freeze now. | 16:01 |
| smcginnis | We should only be focusing on bug fixes at this point. | 16:01 |
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| smcginnis | We are also past soft string freeze. | 16:01 |
| tbarron | hi | 16:01 |
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| smcginnis | So reviewers, please watch of unnecessary external string changes and try to prevent/limit those as much as possible. | 16:02 |
| Swanson | How long do we have for documentation updates? | 16:02 |
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| smcginnis | It seems like the translation team has been very active, but no need to create extra work for them. | 16:02 |
| erlon | smcginnis: string?? | 16:02 |
| smcginnis | Swanson: Not really sire. | 16:02 |
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| smcginnis | Would have to check with the openstack-manuals team on that. | 16:02 |
| smcginnis | erlon: ? | 16:03 |
| Swanson | well, hop to. | 16:03 |
| bswartz | erlon: soft string freeze = no changes to existing translatable strings, but new strings are permitted | 16:03 |
| erlon | smcginnis: what do you mean with string changes? | 16:03 |
| smcginnis | erlon: What bswartz said? :_) | 16:03 |
| erlon | smcginnis: bswartz : hmmm ok thanks!! :) | 16:03 |
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| smcginnis | We need to limit string translation changes. | 16:03 |
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| smcginnis | RC1 is coming up the week of the 12th. So probably next Wednesday I will cut RC-1. | 16:04 |
| smcginnis | Sooner if we are at a good point, but no sense rushing it. | 16:04 |
| DuncanT | There was a patch up for cinder client adding a few dozen new strings... will go put a -2 on that for now | 16:04 |
| smcginnis | Rather not have multiple RC-2, 3, etc. | 16:04 |
| smcginnis | DuncanT: Not sure on client since that is already gone for Newton. | 16:04 |
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| DuncanT | Is there an etherpad for 'things that need to land before RC' again? | 16:05 |
| smcginnis | DuncanT: Maybe OK to let that through. They probably won't look at those until O opens up. | 16:05 |
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| bswartz | DuncanT: new strings are less problematic than changes to strings -- the former adds more work to do, the latter throws away work already done | 16:05 |
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| e0ne | smcginnis: do we have buglist for RC? | 16:05 |
| jungleboyj | e0ne: ++ | 16:05 |
| smcginnis | DuncanT, e0ne: No, but good point. We should pull that together to make sure we hit the high priority ones. | 16:05 |
| smcginnis | Let | 16:06 |
| smcginnis | Let's use this: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-cinder-bugtracking | 16:06 |
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| jgriffith | e0ne: smcginnis shouldn't we jus triage LP and mark them as RC ? | 16:06 |
| e0ne | jgriffith: +1 | 16:06 |
| jgriffith | e0ne: smcginnis then it's easy and publicly available to just querie | 16:06 |
| erlon | jgriffith: +1 | 16:06 |
| jungleboyj | :-) | 16:06 |
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| smcginnis | jgriffith: I'll do that. But might be helpful for reviewers if we have a prioritized list. | 16:07 |
| e0ne | we have to set RC milestones for these bugs | 16:07 |
| smcginnis | jgriffith: But if you don't think so, I'm fine scratching that off my todo list?. ;) | 16:07 |
| jgriffith | smcginnis: sorry, couldn't resist another RC another chance for me to get on my soap box about this :) | 16:07 |
| smcginnis | :) | 16:07 |
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| jgriffith | smcginnis: I've always found the *extra* lists on etherpad a bad thing. I think we should be using the tools we have (launchpad) even if it's annoying sometimes :) | 16:08 |
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| erlon | smcginnis: isnt possible to prioritize in LP? | 16:08 |
| smcginnis | OK, I'll try to just set targets in launchpad and try to set priorities on there. | 16:08 |
| jgriffith | e0ne: no, but if things are marked as RC we should be reviewing them :) | 16:08 |
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| smcginnis | erlon: Yeah, I just don't like the filtering and sorting abilities of launchpad. | 16:08 |
| e0ne | jgriffith: launchpad should be one source of trust, IMO | 16:08 |
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| jungleboyj | smcginnis: What filtering and sorting? ;-) | 16:09 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: Hah! Exactly. | 16:09 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj: lol | 16:09 |
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| bswartz | the one thing LP can't do is allow reviewers to sign up to review changes so we ensure we don't duplicate review work -- but that typically only matters for big features -- not for bugs | 16:09 |
| erlon | tagging bugs to RC-x | 16:09 |
| smcginnis | #action smcginnis and team to target bugs for RC and set appropriate priority for Newton tracking | 16:10 |
| smcginnis | bswartz: True | 16:10 |
| smcginnis | #topic What do (and don't) we want release notes for | 16:10 |
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| smcginnis | DuncanT: Take er away | 16:10 |
| erlon | bswartz: put a tag with you name ? ^^ | 16:10 |
| smcginnis | erlon: There you go. ;) | 16:11 |
| DuncanT | Lookin gat the agenda, we've got an answer to the question, and the request for the release note was bogus | 16:11 |
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| DuncanT | So, erm, reviewers, please read the (very sensible) guide before asking for release notes? | 16:11 |
| smcginnis | DuncanT: OK, good. Yeah, I looked at that issue and it didn't look like it should have one. | 16:11 |
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| DuncanT | smcginnis: That was my starting point | 16:12 |
| smcginnis | We really only need release notes for things that would be good to tell deployers and end users. | 16:12 |
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| smcginnis | Internal technical details would just be confusing to most of them, so they definitely should not have a RL. | 16:12 |
| DuncanT | smcginnis: Ok, unless anybody wants to argue, I think that's done | 16:12 |
| smcginnis | Anybody have any questions on that before we move on? | 16:12 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: did somebody invite me to argue? | 16:12 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: just kidding | 16:13 |
| smcginnis | LOL | 16:13 |
| * smcginnis quickly types... | 16:13 | |
| smcginnis | #topic py35 cinder job | 16:13 |
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| jgriffith | haha | 16:13 |
| smcginnis | dulek: Here? Or I can take it. | 16:13 |
| e0ne | how much tests are failing with py35? | 16:13 |
| smcginnis | I haven't looked lately but it seems like it's been pretty stable. | 16:13 |
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| smcginnis | Michal pointed out It's voting in Neutron, Heat, Ironic, Keystone | 16:14 |
| e0ne | if all or almost all tests are passed, I'm feeling OK to add non-voting job | 16:14 |
| smcginnis | Since that appears to be where we plan on going, I think we can switch it. But... | 16:14 |
| e0ne | we we have any requeast or guidelines what python versions should be supported from TC? | 16:15 |
| smcginnis | I'm thinking we should probably wait until RC-1 is cut, then make it voting for Ocata. | 16:15 |
| smcginnis | Just so we don't cause issues for ourselves. | 16:15 |
| e0ne | smcginnis: +1 | 16:15 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: +2 | 16:15 |
| smcginnis | e0ne: There's this: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/349069/ | 16:15 |
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| e0ne | smcginnis: thanks! | 16:16 |
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| smcginnis | So unless anyone has a strong argument for why we should do it now, let's plan on switching it once Newtons out of the way. | 16:16 |
| DuncanT | Yeah, bringing the job to voting before RC1 seems far more risk than reward | 16:16 |
| diablo_rojo | smcginnis, +1 | 16:16 |
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| smcginnis | DuncanT: +1 | 16:16 |
| diablo_rojo | DuncanT, +1 | 16:16 |
| smcginnis | Michal also referenced this patch: https://review.openstack.org/366739 | 16:16 |
| e0ne | DuncanT: +1. maybe, we should hold on it even until final release | 16:16 |
| smcginnis | I left my thoughts there, but feel free to review and disagree. | 16:17 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: +1 | 16:17 |
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| smcginnis | #topic Proprietary libs for drivers | 16:17 |
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| smcginnis | I don't have a link to the current thread, but this has come up multiple times. | 16:18 |
| smcginnis | We've definitely said no to wrapper drivers that just call external libs. | 16:18 |
| erlon | smcginnis: do you have a list of who uses proprietary code? | 16:18 |
| smcginnis | But we also have existing drivers that use at least partial proprietary libs. | 16:18 |
| DuncanT | erlon: IBM is the case on the mailing list | 16:18 |
| smcginnis | erlon: I don't have a list pulled together. Yet. | 16:18 |
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| jgriffith | fyi http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-September/103030.html | 16:19 |
| smcginnis | DuncanT: I was trying to avoid heartburn for jungleboyj and not mention the name. ;) | 16:19 |
| smcginnis | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-September/103030.html Current ML thread | 16:19 |
| erlon | DuncanT: hmm, have just saw | 16:19 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Thank you. | 16:19 |
| jgriffith | or the full thread http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-September/103096.html | 16:19 |
| smcginnis | So I like jgriffith's stance on there. | 16:19 |
| smcginnis | I just wonder how feasible that is for all vendors. | 16:19 |
| smcginnis | And where we draw the line between what is a vendor's product and what is the open source driver that works with it. | 16:20 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: I am behind. What is the stance? | 16:20 |
| bswartz | I agree -- NetApp explored some kind of hybrid open/closed driver license combo and there was no way to make it workable | 16:20 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-September/103096.html | 16:20 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj: you're either open source or you're not | 16:20 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj: period | 16:20 |
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| jgriffith | jungleboyj: and OpenStack is Open Source | 16:21 |
| jgriffith | therefore.... | 16:21 |
| bswartz | the only way non-open code makes sense is if it's an external binary or service that the driver interacts with through an API or CLI -- not python code | 16:21 |
| jgriffith | You can draw the conclusion | 16:21 |
| erlon | jgriffith: +1 | 16:21 |
| smcginnis | bswartz: +1 | 16:21 |
| DuncanT | I'm not going to oppose jgriffith's stance after this meeting... I just don't care enough. I'll throw in a philosophical question here though: If the backend was all software (like ceph) and closed source, where do you draw the line between driver and product? | 16:21 |
| DuncanT | An API or CLI sounds like a good answer to me | 16:22 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: I think you're missing the point I was making | 16:22 |
| smcginnis | DuncanT: That's my dilemma. | 16:22 |
| jungleboyj | DuncanT: Thank you. That was what I was going to ask. | 16:22 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: I don't care if you're "device" is proprietary | 16:22 |
| hemna | fwiw there are some drivers that use external proprietary apps to do work as well | 16:22 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: I *do* care that you dump *partial* code or driver in Cinder and then say "download my private lib to make it work and install it on your cinder nodes" | 16:22 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: Ok, then why do you care if I have a library that is utilized to talk to the backend? | 16:22 |
| jgriffith | F'that | 16:22 |
| smcginnis | So a lib interacting with a device is not the device. So the device can be closed but the lib cannot. I think that's what we're saying. | 16:22 |
| bswartz | DuncanT: I think you could draw the line at the process boundary of the c-vol process | 16:22 |
| hemna | jungleboyj, +1 | 16:22 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj: I think I've been very clear on why I care | 16:23 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj: but I'll say it again and please reference my response on the ML | 16:23 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj: hemna OpenStack is an Open Source project! | 16:23 |
| DuncanT | jgriffith: Ok, thanks for clarifying | 16:23 |
| jgriffith | It's NOT a hybrid | 16:23 |
| jgriffith | It's NOT a place for Vendors to game the system | 16:23 |
| e0ne | jgriffith: +1, it's a very good point | 16:23 |
| hemna | yes of course it is | 16:23 |
| jgriffith | It's NOT a marketing platform for vendors that don't give something back | 16:24 |
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| hemna | and the code checked into cinder is opensource | 16:24 |
| jgriffith | and if you haven't read it, you should read the "4 opens" of OpenStack | 16:24 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: I want to make sure we are not arguing two different things here. | 16:24 |
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| jgriffith | jungleboyj: we could be :) | 16:24 |
| jungleboyj | So, I totally agree that what XIV currently has is not right and I am doing what I can to fix that. | 16:24 |
| hemna | and the vendor in this case is IBM which has "given something back" in this case. | 16:25 |
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| jungleboyj | What has been proposed is open sourcing of all the Cinder Python code that currently makes XIV work. | 16:25 |
| jgriffith | "while keeping the connectivity to the storage as closed source" | 16:25 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj: So what I understand about how that works is thus... | 16:26 |
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| jungleboyj | Correct. Because the library used is 300k plus lines of code that is used for many other things. | 16:26 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj: Hey.. install and setup OpenStack | 16:26 |
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| jgriffith | NOW if you want to enable xiv then you have to install this special proprietary closed source lib to make it work | 16:26 |
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| DuncanT | jungleboyj: Will this library be on PIP? | 16:26 |
| jgriffith | That's EXACTLY the thing that DuncanT and Redhat had issues with Netapp over back around Tokyo timefram | 16:27 |
| jgriffith | timeframe | 16:27 |
| jungleboyj | DuncanT: I am not sure about that. | 16:27 |
| jgriffith | it creates licensing issues for those distros too | 16:27 |
| bswartz | jgriffith: +1 | 16:27 |
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| hemna | why do the distros even care. just don't ship that library. | 16:27 |
| smcginnis | eharney: Any thoughts on this from a distro perspective? | 16:27 |
| DuncanT | jgriffith: If the the 'closed source' license is anything other than 'distro can copy this, package this, etc etc' then I'm 110% against it, for sure | 16:27 |
| jgriffith | I'm cofused because when Netapp proposed a proprietary licenesed lib (albeit open source) the distros flipped | 16:28 |
| jungleboyj | hemna: ++ | 16:28 |
| jgriffith | hemna: jungleboyj alright... I give up | 16:28 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: We don't require that the backends opensource their code. | 16:28 |
| jgriffith | you were both in the room | 16:28 |
| hemna | jgriffith, I'm honestly curious why the distros care about it though | 16:28 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: Yes we were and we never agreed on this point. | 16:28 |
| hemna | I'm not trying to be difficult | 16:28 |
| smcginnis | jgriffith: I think the NetApp issue was they took the open code and tried to relicense it, TBF. | 16:28 |
| jgriffith | hemna: licensing | 16:28 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: ++ | 16:28 |
| hemna | but they don't have to ship the library | 16:28 |
| jgriffith | smcginnis: yes, that was an issue as well | 16:28 |
| DuncanT | jgriffith: You're right that it absolutely, 100% needs a freely redistributable library | 16:28 |
| bswartz | smcginnis: that was a small part of the issue, but not the main sticking point | 16:28 |
| jungleboyj | Copying the code into a closed library is not ok. | 16:29 |
| jgriffith | hemna: jungleboyj ok, IBM and HP do whatever ya like. You're both core | 16:29 |
| jgriffith | I won't stand in your way | 16:29 |
| hemna | I'm just asking questions | 16:29 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: It isn't just us. | 16:29 |
| eharney | smcginnis: open source is good, closed libs are problematic | 16:29 |
| hemna | because I'm curious | 16:29 |
| DuncanT | hemna: Helion etc need to be able to ship the library.... I'm a hard -2 if we can't | 16:29 |
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| scottda | It does make it hard for a distro to say "any driver in tree will work with our distro, except for x, y, and z, which need further code installed. | 16:29 |
| jungleboyj | DuncanT: What do you mean ship the library? | 16:29 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: and yes, you were one of the biggest opponents to the proprietary license risk IIRC | 16:29 |
| smcginnis | DuncanT: how does helion handle this now? | 16:29 |
| hemna | scottda, so it's for convenience | 16:30 |
| scottda | jungleboyj: Package and ship the library | 16:30 |
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| scottda | hemna: It's for support as well | 16:30 |
| DuncanT | jungleboyj: We need to be able to package the library as part of helion, and copy it to any nodes we want, etc | 16:30 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj: hemna how does a distro put together an Open Source project like OpenStack if there are required libs that have proprietary licenses in them? | 16:30 |
| hemna | well, they don't have to support those drivers though either | 16:30 |
| jungleboyj | DuncanT: Ok, I am not sure where we stand on that, I need to get more info on my end. | 16:31 |
| * flip214 is reminded of the flash-downloader-scripts that are being packaged... | 16:31 | |
| hemna | heh | 16:31 |
| DuncanT | jungleboyj: jgriffith: Licenses that didn't make the library freely redistributable are definitely a problem | 16:31 |
| jungleboyj | hemna: True. | 16:31 |
| eharney | flip214: not in RHEL | 16:31 |
| e0ne | but they can't drop cinder drivers. they will just ship non-working driver is such case | 16:31 |
| jgriffith | eharney: +1 :) | 16:31 |
| e0ne | DuncanT: +1 | 16:31 |
| DuncanT | e0ne: Who can't drop drivers? | 16:32 |
| eharney | of course they can drop drivers | 16:32 |
| jungleboyj | Alon isn't online right now so I can't follow up immediately on the distributable nature. | 16:32 |
| hemna | on the flip side, there is nothing preventing a vendor from releasing a cinder driver to github that includes a readme to install the proprietary library. it just doesn't go with cinder and distros. | 16:32 |
| jungleboyj | hemna: Others have done that and I think it is worse. | 16:32 |
| e0ne | DuncanT: distros. if some driver requires proprietary lib, distos won't ship lib and won't cut such drivers | 16:32 |
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| jgriffith | let me ask a simple question... is this in the best interest of OpenStack and the Cinder? | 16:32 |
| erlon | hemna: Hitachi does that | 16:32 |
| e0ne | hemna: +1 | 16:33 |
| jgriffith | or is it only in the interest of the Vendors involved? | 16:33 |
| jgriffith | s/and the/and then/ | 16:33 |
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| erlon | hemna: so we can always push changes if needed, directly to the client | 16:33 |
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| hemna | I'd much rather have completely opensource for sure. I'm simply asking questions to find out what the real issue is. | 16:33 |
| jgriffith | hemna: OpenStack is an Open Source project no? | 16:33 |
| jungleboyj | hemna: I agree. | 16:33 |
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| hemna | jgriffith, of course. I think you are misunderstanding my questions. | 16:34 |
| hemna | I'm not advocating closed source | 16:34 |
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| jgriffith | sorry... I should've just kept my mouth shut and let everybody move along. I seem to be the only one that really cares about this | 16:34 |
| hemna | I freely admit I'm not a licensing lawyer. | 16:34 |
| e0ne | as a vendor, I would like to ship only drivers which can work out-of-the-box | 16:34 |
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| scottda | e0ne: I agree | 16:35 |
| hemna | as someone that has released required libraries for my drivers.....using the same license as openstack. | 16:35 |
| jgriffith | e0ne: and that's typically the feedback I receive from customers as well | 16:35 |
| DuncanT | jgriffith: No, you shouldn't. And you don't seem to be the only one who cares... | 16:35 |
| jgriffith | hemna: and that's different | 16:35 |
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| scottda | Helion customers don't want to be locked in to any storage, especially HPE storage. They want OpenStack to be open source and work out-of the box with any driver in -tree | 16:35 |
| jgriffith | hemna: you're still making them open and you're using a compatable license... so even if I find it annoying there's nothing wrong with it | 16:35 |
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| DuncanT | jgriffith: If the license is "you can copy, redistribute and repackage this as required" are you still firmly against it? That covers the 'working out of the box' think.... you can even put it up on pip then | 16:36 |
| hemna | It would be great if everyone did that.....use the same license. | 16:36 |
| jgriffith | AFAIC folks that want this type of model should just do it all in closed/proprietary and move along | 16:36 |
| hemna | and opensource it. | 16:36 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: That is going totally the opposite direction? | 16:36 |
| jungleboyj | We are trying to get things as open as possible. | 16:37 |
| e0ne | jgriffith: +1. vendors should care about licensing, instead of us | 16:37 |
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| jgriffith | jungleboyj: You're only trying to serve your best interests and have your cake and eat it too | 16:37 |
| jungleboyj | I am frustrated by the fact that if I asked you to release the code that runs on your backend you would probably incredulous. Unfortunately we have a library instead that is loaded. | 16:38 |
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| scottda | Vendors do care about liscensing. And we indemnify our customers against liscensing issues, so we have to be very careful about what we ship. | 16:38 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj: that's completely different | 16:38 |
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| hemna | jungleboyj, didn't you say you are working on fixing that and going to release an opensouce lib for the offending driver? | 16:38 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: That is not fair of you to say. | 16:38 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj: You really don't see the difference here? | 16:38 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj: you don't see the difference in "here's everything you need to run in cinder" with the exception of the backend itself? | 16:38 |
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| jungleboyj | jgriffith: The difference is with licensing for the packagers. | 16:39 |
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| jungleboyj | jgriffith: That is true for most vendor backends. | 16:39 |
| smcginnis | scottda, DuncanT: Are there a list of drivers that are not supported out of the box with Helion right now? | 16:39 |
| jungleboyj | We don't sell Cinder with the backends included. | 16:39 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj: and saying "here's the cinder code, but it's actually incomplete and useless until you add this connector/lib shim that runs on openstack nodes? | 16:39 |
| e0ne | jungleboyj: ceph is not a best example in this case, but I like it's model: I consume ceph binaries only (like a vendor's hardware in other case) and use opened client for it | 16:39 |
| jgriffith | e0ne: +1 | 16:39 |
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| jgriffith | and that's how *most* drivers in Cinder work. | 16:40 |
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| jungleboyj | jgriffith: And you comment about only caring about my best interests is totally unfair. Now others are going to get scrutiny because of this and I fell bad for that. | 16:40 |
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| DuncanT | smcginnis: Not yet, it's all a bit up in the air, and there are lots of definitions of 'supported'. We haven't yet removed any drivers from the code, since licensing issues have thus far been solved int he right place (here) | 16:40 |
| smcginnis | DuncanT: But there are some that require a closed library right now. Those just don't work out of the box? | 16:41 |
| jungleboyj | So rather than throwing stones at eachother lets talk out some possible options/compromises. | 16:41 |
| hemna | so to play devil's advocate, there are several os-brick connectors that require installs of tools as well | 16:41 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Is there anyone else that is going to be hit by this requirement that there be now closed source library? | 16:41 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj: I"m not throwing stones at anybody... I'm just trying to make a point | 16:41 |
| hemna | so they don't work out of the box unless something is installed as well. | 16:41 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: That's what I'm trying to figure out. | 16:41 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: Point made. Moving on. | 16:41 |
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| jungleboyj | hemna: Good point. | 16:42 |
| DuncanT | smcginnis: And if we can't ship the libraries, when we list supported drivers, those won't be on it (and efforts to fix that, namely me being here complaining, plus a formal approach to the tC if needed) will be made | 16:42 |
| bswartz | jungleboyj: one of the EMC drivers uses a proprietary binary on the cinder host to communicate with their backend -- that seems like a workable model | 16:42 |
| DuncanT | smcginnis: We're just behind the curve | 16:42 |
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| hemna | emc, hgst, etc | 16:42 |
| DuncanT | smcginnis: Do you know which drivers are a problem? | 16:42 |
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| smcginnis | DuncanT: XIV for one, but I know there are others. | 16:42 |
| jungleboyj | bswartz: Is it with a compatible license? | 16:42 |
| hemna | bswartz, but it's the same arugment, you must install something for the driver to work. | 16:42 |
| hemna | it's not out of the box. | 16:42 |
| DuncanT | smcginnis: I'll take a look, thanks | 16:42 |
| smcginnis | SO I don't think Helion actually can support all drivers out of the box today. | 16:42 |
| bswartz | jungleboyj: the binary is closed/proprietary -- but it's not a python lib it's a separate program | 16:43 |
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| tbarron | there may be implications here I think for security vulnerabiility managed label from openstack | 16:43 |
| jungleboyj | bswartz: Ok, so in jgriffith argument I don't think that would be acceptable either. | 16:43 |
| smcginnis | tbarron: Good point. | 16:43 |
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| DuncanT | Is it worth agreeing to come back to this when people have had chance to do their research? | 16:43 |
| xyang2 | bswartz: I need to double check on that. VNX did have a CLI that is exe that is C code, not python. they moved stuff to pypi lately, not sure if that is still required | 16:43 |
| smcginnis | DuncanT: +1 | 16:43 |
| jungleboyj | DuncanT: +1 | 16:43 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj: how about you outline exactly what it is that you guys want to do here? | 16:43 |
| tbarron | cinder has that label grandfathered today but POR is that to keep it work will have to be done | 16:43 |
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| hemna | so I see 2 problems here really: 1) the license of the code included in Cinder and 2) what's required to make the driver work. | 16:44 |
| xyang2 | hemna: in ScaleIO case, the storage device is software based | 16:44 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj: maybe it doesn't matter | 16:44 |
| bswartz | in fact NetApp has a driver which relies on an external proxy (closed source, Java code) with a REST API to communicate with one of our controllers | 16:44 |
| jungleboyj | I need to get this info back to the team here. | 16:44 |
| DuncanT | I'd be against any driver where a distro can't ship everything, out of the box, to work | 16:44 |
| tbarron | work that involves being able to get under the hood and inspect the engine | 16:44 |
| e0ne | DuncanT: I'm agree with you | 16:44 |
| hemna | xyang2, I don't see that as a relavant point here. | 16:44 |
| smcginnis | Let's do a little homework so we have some actual data behind some of this, then come back to it. | 16:44 |
| DuncanT | tbarron: But we don't have the source for backends, and they tend to be full of security issues | 16:44 |
| scottda | Can we set the goal of coming to a decision in Barcelona? We keep coming back to this issue. | 16:45 |
| smcginnis | scottda: +1 | 16:45 |
| jungleboyj | scottda: +1 | 16:45 |
| hemna | DuncanT, then we need to remove some EMC drivers, HGST and a few others from cinder and os-brick. | 16:45 |
| hemna | because that's how they are today. | 16:45 |
| xyang2 | hemna: I'm saying just like hardware based device has everything on hardware you need to buy hardware to run it | 16:45 |
| tbarron | DuncanT: yeah, so the backend isn't managed for vulnerabilities, but the driver is | 16:45 |
| smcginnis | We have an option for an extra fishbowl. This sounds like it might be a good one for that. | 16:45 |
| jgriffith | scottda: we already have at a higher level: https://governance.openstack.org/reference/opens.html | 16:45 |
| jungleboyj | Can I request, in the case that we are going to change our stance on external libraries that we have a deprecation period of some sort. | 16:45 |
| xyang2 | hemna: in this case, everything is software for ScaleIO | 16:45 |
| smcginnis | Try to get some vendors and deployers in the room to discuss it. | 16:45 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: ++ | 16:45 |
| hemna | xyang2, but the backend is separate from the tools/apps/libs required to talk to it. | 16:45 |
| scottda | jgriffith: I'm not disagreeing with you | 16:45 |
| erlon | smcginnis: +1 | 16:46 |
| DuncanT | hemna: in which case, we should get an agreed stance and start looking at removing them in 'O' as far as I'm concerned. | 16:46 |
| xyang2 | hemna: but if this becomes a requirement that every lib has to be open source, we could look at how to resolve it | 16:46 |
| jgriffith | scottda: I wasn't saying you were... You asked if we could settle this, I'm saying I think it's already settled via governance | 16:46 |
| hemna | xyang2, sure, I'm all for that. | 16:46 |
| DuncanT | hemna: I'd need to read the licenses to be sure. Documenting what drivers/backends require what extra parts is a first step | 16:46 |
| hemna | DuncanT, ok, I can do that for os-brick at least. | 16:46 |
| xyang2 | hemna: problem is how to make sure every single driver gets the same attention:) | 16:47 |
| DuncanT | hemna: Awesome | 16:47 |
| hemna | there are a few | 16:47 |
| smcginnis | hemna: That would be great. | 16:47 |
| hemna | I'd like to resolve this and get everyone happy and included in tree. | 16:47 |
| jgriffith | one last comment... because It's the perfect opportunity "out of tree drivers" :) | 16:47 |
| jgriffith | problem solved | 16:47 |
| hemna | if that requires working towards open sourcing apps/libs, then so be it. | 16:47 |
| e0ne | jgriffith: :) | 16:47 |
| hemna | jgriffith, :) | 16:47 |
| smcginnis | jgriffith: I was waiting for that. :) | 16:47 |
| jgriffith | I resisted as long as I could... really I did :) | 16:48 |
| hemna | jgriffith, so, why can't we create a sideload mechanism for that today? | 16:48 |
| DuncanT | jgriffith: All drivers going out of tree gives up the in-tree advantages for vendors who play fair though | 16:48 |
| jgriffith | hemna: we already have one :) | 16:48 |
| smcginnis | hemna: 2nd class drivers? :) | 16:48 |
| jgriffith | hemna: there are people already doing that today | 16:48 |
| jgriffith | smcginnis: +1 | 16:48 |
| hemna | jgriffith, I mean with a way to register those from pip | 16:48 |
| DuncanT | hemna: It's already there. It just works. HP public cloud did it just fine. | 16:48 |
| DuncanT | hemna: Why? You just put the full class in the config file. Why mess with pip voodoo? | 16:49 |
| hemna | anyway, we can talk about it offline | 16:49 |
| jgriffith | hemna: vendors can do it however they want, that's the beauty | 16:49 |
| hemna | yah I know | 16:49 |
| hemna | I'm thinking something else | 16:49 |
| jungleboyj | Round and round we go. | 16:49 |
| jgriffith | and it's strictly *their* problem | 16:49 |
| smcginnis | Really, it is easy enough to install a separate package to add a driver and just configure the cinder.conf settings. I just don't want to lose the reviews and quality assurances of having most be in tree. | 16:49 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj: actually we're not | 16:49 |
| hemna | we can take it offline | 16:49 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj: they're very different problems and statements | 16:49 |
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| jgriffith | It's the "I want it both ways, that is the problem" | 16:50 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: I agree, but that doesn't seem to be the consensus here. | 16:50 |
| jgriffith | I want it in tree except the parts that aren't | 16:50 |
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| jgriffith | I want it open source, except the parts that aren't | 16:50 |
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| jgriffith | in other words, I just want to do the thing that suite me | 16:50 |
| DuncanT | jgriffith: I want vendors to be able to have everything work out of the box | 16:51 |
| smcginnis | And here I thought we might end early today... | 16:51 |
| jungleboyj | I will go do my homework and see what I can figure out. | 16:51 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: agreed | 16:51 |
| bswartz | let's all post to the ML thread and try to make progress on this topic there | 16:51 |
| jgriffith | smcginnis: sorry... I'll stop now I promise | 16:51 |
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| smcginnis | :) | 16:51 |
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| flip214 | perhaps an etherpad would be better for such brainstorming | 16:51 |
| smcginnis | bswartz: Yes, if you have a strong opinion, please respond to the thread | 16:51 |
| flip214 | the individual thoughts could be accumulated better | 16:51 |
| DuncanT | bswartz: Posting to the mailing list never makes progress on anything, and a whole bunch of non-cinder folks with zero background will chime in at random | 16:51 |
| smcginnis | In the meantime I'll try to do a little homework and figure out the real state of our current drivers. | 16:52 |
| hemna | flip214, I might create one just to dump my idea on the out of tree drivers idea | 16:52 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Thank you. | 16:52 |
| flip214 | hemna: please share the link in the ML thread | 16:52 |
| jungleboyj | I need to get Alon pulled in more as he is the one with the real skin in the game here. | 16:52 |
| flip214 | perhaps I've got one or two thoughts worth sharing | 16:52 |
| smcginnis | And we can plan a session at Barcelona to discuss a final, and clear, statement for what's allowed and what's not so we don't have to do this again. | 16:52 |
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| scottda | smcginnis: +10000 | 16:52 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: ++ | 16:52 |
| xyang2 | smcginnis: I wonder how you can tell if driver doesn't document it needs it? | 16:53 |
| Swanson | smcginnis, "final, and clear" heeheehe | 16:53 |
| flip214 | please make it .5 hours, but plan for 4 | 16:53 |
| flip214 | don't think it'll be any faster than this discussion here | 16:53 |
| hemna | smcginnis, https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-brick-driver-externals | 16:53 |
| DuncanT | xyang2: If a vendor pulls that, you remove the driver, perminently, and publicly shame them | 16:53 |
| flip214 | well, perhaps it is, in case the basic thoughts are already summarized ^^ hemna | 16:53 |
| hemna | smcginnis, I'm adding notes to there for os-brick connectors | 16:53 |
| smcginnis | hemna: Thanks! | 16:54 |
| DuncanT | hemna: I'll add license details I can find for each one | 16:54 |
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| DuncanT | hemna: If you don't | 16:54 |
| smcginnis | At least it's easy to get a list of all our drivers now. Should be able to brute force it and go one by one through the list and look at what they're doing. | 16:54 |
| xyang2 | DuncanT: I'm not sure how it can be thorough, but I hope it can | 16:54 |
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| DuncanT | xyang2: You can read the code and get a good idea | 16:55 |
| DuncanT | xyang2: That's entirely doable if needed | 16:55 |
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| smcginnis | Anything else in the last few minutes? | 16:55 |
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| erlon | smcginnis: the last topic? | 16:55 |
| xyang2 | smcginnis: what is the timeline? | 16:55 |
| erlon | smcginnis: that a quick one | 16:56 |
| smcginnis | erlon: Oh, was one added? | 16:56 |
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| smcginnis | xyang2: ASAP. :) | 16:56 |
| smcginnis | #topic Volume extend errors and scheduler decisions | 16:56 |
| erlon | smcginnis: just want to bring some focus in this patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/341136/ | 16:56 |
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| smcginnis | erlon: Go for it. | 16:56 |
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| erlon | It fixes an bug in the extend volume, but it adds a lot of code that is similar to what scheduler do/should do. So, it bright some questioning about wether we should fix this in manager or move those kind of decisions to the scheduler. | 16:56 |
| xyang2 | smcginnis: please specify a deadline, this can't be done in a day though | 16:56 |
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| erlon | brings | 16:57 |
| smcginnis | xyang2: How about next week's meeting. | 16:57 |
| erlon | Are you folks ok if we merge this using this approach and pick this in O with more discussion/spec etc? | 16:57 |
| xyang2 | smcginnis: to get everything converted? not possible | 16:57 |
| smcginnis | xyang2: To get info about the drivers. | 16:57 |
| xyang2 | smcginnis: ok | 16:57 |
| smcginnis | erlon: So I think it probably makes sense to fix for now, and get it right next release. | 16:57 |
| smcginnis | erlon: Is there a bug open to track that? | 16:58 |
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| erlon | smcginnis: ok, only this extend, the broather change still needs an spec | 16:58 |
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| erlon | smcginnis: ok, if you can give a look please | 16:58 |
| smcginnis | erlon: Please ping me when that's available. | 16:58 |
| xyang2 | erlon: it's a lot of duplicate code to add to manager. | 16:58 |
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| smcginnis | erlon: I'll take a look at the current patch hopefully today. | 16:59 |
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| smcginnis | OK, thanks everyone. | 16:59 |
| erlon | xyang2: agreed, but its jsut a questions of leaving the bug open or not | 16:59 |
| xyang2 | erlon: I don't know what is the best way to get it fixed in a short time. refactor involves changes to scheduler and it is risky too | 16:59 |
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| tbarron | thanks | 17:00 |
| smcginnis | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Sep 7 17:00:03 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2016/cinder.2016-09-07-16.00.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2016/cinder.2016-09-07-16.00.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2016/cinder.2016-09-07-16.00.log.html | 17:00 |
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| jungleboyj | Thanks. | 17:00 |
| erlon | thanks! | 17:00 |
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| bh526r | #startmeeting gluon | 18:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Sep 7 18:01:19 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bh526r. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: gluon)" | 18:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'gluon' | 18:01 |
| bh526r | Hello guys | 18:01 |
| jinli | Hi Bin | 18:01 |
| tomhambleton | Hi All! | 18:01 |
| jinli | #info JinLi | 18:01 |
| bh526r | #topic Roll Call and Introduction | 18:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Roll Call and Introduction (Meeting topic: gluon)" | 18:02 | |
| bh526r | Hi Jin and Tom | 18:02 |
| tomhambleton | #info Tom Hambleton | 18:02 |
| bh526r | #info Bin Hu | 18:02 |
| jinli | Hi Tom | 18:02 |
| tomhambleton | Hi Jin | 18:02 |
| KamilRemczewski | #info Kamil Renczewski | 18:02 |
| KamilRemczewski | Hello | 18:02 |
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| bh526r | Hi Kamil | 18:03 |
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| bh526r | #topic Admin Update | 18:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Admin Update (Meeting topic: gluon)" | 18:03 | |
| bh526r | #info Bin has requested a session in Nova at Barcelona Summit | 18:04 |
| bh526r | #info https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ocata-nova-summit-ideas | 18:04 |
| bh526r | #info Topic is "Gluon Introduction and Socialization" | 18:05 |
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| bh526r | #info the rough schedule is at the end of Etherpad | 18:05 |
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| kamal___ | #info Kamal Hussain | 18:05 |
| bh526r | #info Bin tentatively set the time at 11:50-12:30 on Thursday 10/27 | 18:05 |
| bh526r | Hi Kamal | 18:05 |
| kamal___ | Hi Bin | 18:06 |
| kamal___ | We are doing a session at this time. | 18:06 |
| bh526r | #info since the schedule now is quite open | 18:06 |
| kamal___ | https://www.openstack.org/summit/barcelona-2016/summit-schedule/events/15291/learn-to-debug-openstack-code-a-hands-on-with-the-python-debugger-and-pycharm | 18:06 |
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| bh526r | #info if we prefer another time slot that is still open, we can always change it before all slots are filled up | 18:07 |
| kamal___ | Vincent and Tom will be in this session | 18:07 |
| bh526r | oops, Kamal. Then what time do you prefer? | 18:07 |
| bh526r | See available slot in the etherpad https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ocata-nova-summit-ideas | 18:07 |
| kamal___ | let me check | 18:08 |
| kamal___ | How about Friday? | 18:08 |
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| georgk | #info Georg Kunz | 18:09 |
| bh526r | Sure. What time is good for you? | 18:09 |
| georgk | sorry for being late | 18:09 |
| bh526r | Hi Georg. No problem | 18:09 |
| bh526r | How about 9:00-9:40? The first session on Friday? | 18:10 |
| kamal___ | or even thursday 2.20 pm is fine | 18:10 |
| kamal___ | in case, some people want to leave on Friday | 18:10 |
| bh526r | That's right, good point | 18:11 |
| bh526r | Is 2:20-3:00 Thursday 10/27 good for everyone? | 18:12 |
| tomhambleton | yes | 18:12 |
| bh526r | #info Group reviewed the time slot, and the consensus is to change the session to 2:20-3:00 Thursday 10/27, and it is currently available | 18:13 |
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| bh526r | Ok, done the change. Please double check | 18:13 |
| kamal___ | Thanks Bin | 18:14 |
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| bh526r | #info Change has been made to request the time slot 2:20pm-3:00pm Thursday 10/27 in Nova session https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ocata-nova-summit-ideas | 18:14 |
| bh526r | Great. | 18:15 |
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| bh526r | #info another update is that wiki is updated with task list, PoC tracking and BPs | 18:16 |
| bh526r | #info task list is also re-organized and categorized, and pushed to repo | 18:16 |
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| bh526r | #topic Tracking Progress of PoC | 18:17 |
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| bh526r | #info The first task is for Ian to push current code from Github repo to Gluon repo. | 18:17 |
| bh526r | #info This task is still pending Ian's action | 18:18 |
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| bh526r | #info another task for Tom to write initial proposal describing ML2 approach | 18:18 |
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| bh526r | Do you have any update, Tom? | 18:19 |
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| tomhambleton | Still working on that. | 18:19 |
| tomhambleton | I have been making the code changes to see if this will even work. It looks like it will. | 18:19 |
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| bh526r | Great Tom. | 18:20 |
| tomhambleton | I am at the point where I need Ian to get the initial repo populated. | 18:20 |
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| bh526r | #info Tom has experimented the code to validate the method. The proposal is work in progress | 18:20 |
| bh526r | That's right. Let me push Ian again | 18:21 |
| tomhambleton | Okay | 18:21 |
| bh526r | #info Tom is at the point that needs initial code repo populated. | 18:21 |
| bh526r | #info Bin will communicate with Ian again for completing his task | 18:21 |
| bh526r | #info the 3rd task is for Niko to write implementation proposal of MySQL for database migration | 18:22 |
| georgk | I think Niko is not here, right? | 18:24 |
| georgk | I can ask him to send an update by email tomorrow | 18:24 |
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| bh526r | Right, Niko is not here. Do you know any update from him, by any chane? | 18:24 |
| bh526r | Sounds good. Thank you Georg | 18:24 |
| bh526r | #info Niko is absent. Georg will communicate with Niko so that Niko can sends an update via email tomorrow | 18:25 |
| bh526r | Looks like current dependency is pushing code to repo | 18:26 |
| bh526r | Tom, just in case Ian is very busy, will you be able to push the code to repo? | 18:26 |
| tomhambleton | Yes | 18:27 |
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| bh526r | Great. Let me try to get a response from Ian. If no progress from him by the end of day today, I suggest you push the code to repo tomorrow | 18:28 |
| tomhambleton | okay | 18:28 |
| bh526r | Thank you Tom. | 18:28 |
| bh526r | This is fundamental and critical. After this step, we can start other steps | 18:29 |
| bh526r | #topic Round Table | 18:29 |
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| bh526r | Not pizza :) though it is lunch time here | 18:29 |
| bh526r | Jin, how about update from you? | 18:30 |
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| bh526r | @jinli? | 18:31 |
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| jinli | I am creating test case | 18:31 |
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| bh526r | Good. | 18:31 |
| bh526r | Is Trevor here? | 18:32 |
| jinli | but I have some issues on running tox using the code I pull from github, | 18:32 |
| trevormc_ | Hey Bin | 18:32 |
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| bh526r | Hi Trevor | 18:32 |
| bh526r | Jin - what are the issues? | 18:32 |
| jinli | some code dependency | 18:33 |
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| jinli | I don't know how gluonlib works together with Gluon | 18:34 |
| bh526r | Do you have error log? Perhaps you can share the error log with everyone via email and Tom/Kamal may be able to help? | 18:34 |
| jinli | sure, will do that after this meeting | 18:35 |
| tomhambleton | I do not think it will be used going forward. | 18:35 |
| tomhambleton | It was only used as the client for the nova plugin. | 18:35 |
| tomhambleton | If I get the ML2 wrapper going, it will not be needed at all | 18:35 |
| jinli | Ok, thanks Tom | 18:36 |
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| bh526r | Ok. Perhaps Jin can hold on this until Tom finishes ML2 wrapper? | 18:36 |
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| bh526r | Meanwhile, Jin can document the test case proposal? | 18:37 |
| jinli | Ok Bin | 18:37 |
| bh526r | #info Jin is working on test cases, and an initial test case proposal | 18:38 |
| bh526r | #info Once Tom finishes ML2 wrapper, Jin can start to write and run test case code. | 18:38 |
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| bh526r | Sorry Trevor. | 18:38 |
| bh526r | Any update from your side? | 18:38 |
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| trevormc_ | No no progress, I recently got some worked assigned to me for an SR-IOV feature so I have been focusing on that. | 18:40 |
| bh526r | I see. No problem. | 18:40 |
| trevormc_ | I will check with some other people on my team and see if they can work on the devstack install for gluon | 18:40 |
| bh526r | Sure, and thank you | 18:40 |
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| bh526r | Anyone else want to give an update? | 18:41 |
| bh526r | OK. | 18:42 |
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| bh526r | #topic New Blueprint Discussion | 18:42 |
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| bh526r | I don't think Ian has had time to give more details of Nova plugin work in this BP | 18:42 |
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| bh526r | Let's postpone it next time | 18:43 |
| Xablo29 | https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC4pqTVE9zJsaUng9LPF-Qqg | 18:43 |
| Xablo29 | https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC4pqTVE9zJsaUng9LPF-Qqg | 18:43 |
| Xablo29 | https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC4pqTVE9zJsaUng9LPF-Qqg | 18:43 |
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| bh526r | What's this? | 18:44 |
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| bh526r | Ok. Any other topic or issue to discuss? | 18:45 |
| tomhambleton | I am trying to see if we can use dummy Network and Subnet objects to make the nova plugin work without any changes. | 18:45 |
| tomhambleton | I should have an answer on that by the next meeting. | 18:45 |
| bh526r | Cool. Thank you Tom | 18:46 |
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| bh526r | Once it works, we only needs ML2 Plugin with dummy network and subnets, and no other dependencies | 18:47 |
| bh526r | Any other topics? | 18:47 |
| bh526r | If no, the critical path now is code repo migration. I take the action to communicate with Ian, and Tom will push the code if Ian cannot complete it today | 18:48 |
| bh526r | Does it sound good? | 18:48 |
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| tomhambleton | Sounds good | 18:49 |
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| bh526r | Thank you Tom. | 18:49 |
| bh526r | If no other topics, let's adjourn the meeting and give back 10 minutes to everyone | 18:49 |
| bh526r | #info Meeting adjourned | 18:49 |
| bh526r | #endmeeting | 18:49 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 18:49 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Sep 7 18:49:49 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:49 |
| georgk | ok, bye | 18:49 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/gluon/2016/gluon.2016-09-07-18.01.html | 18:49 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/gluon/2016/gluon.2016-09-07-18.01.txt | 18:49 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/gluon/2016/gluon.2016-09-07-18.01.log.html | 18:49 |
| tomhambleton | Bye all | 18:49 |
| KamilRemczewski | bye | 18:50 |
| bh526r | Thank you Tom, Georg, Kamil, Kamal, Jin, Trevor and all | 18:50 |
| bh526r | bye guys | 18:50 |
| jinli | bye all! | 18:50 |
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| notmyname | swift team meeting time | 21:00 |
| notmyname | #startmeeting swift | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Sep 7 21:00:06 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is notmyname. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'swift' | 21:00 |
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| notmyname | who's here for the swift team meeting? | 21:00 |
| mattoliverau | o/ | 21:00 |
| m_kazuhiro | o/ | 21:00 |
| jrichli | o/ | 21:00 |
| mathiasb | o/ | 21:00 |
| acoles | here | 21:00 |
| nadeem_ | o/ | 21:00 |
| kota_ | hello | 21:00 |
| hosanai | o/ | 21:00 |
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| ntata | HELLO | 21:00 |
| cutforth | o/ | 21:00 |
| pdardeau | hi | 21:00 |
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| timburke | hi | 21:00 |
| mattoliverau | acoles is back \o/ | 21:00 |
| ntata | s/HELLO/hello | 21:00 |
| jrichli | yay! | 21:00 |
| torgomatic | . | 21:00 |
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| mattoliverau | ntata list to shout | 21:01 |
| mattoliverau | *likes | 21:01 |
| bkeller` | o/ | 21:01 |
| ntata | :D | 21:01 |
| joeljwright | hey | 21:01 |
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| notmyname | torgomatic has gone from emoji hellos to simply a dot | 21:01 |
| notmyname | welcome everyone | 21:01 |
| torgomatic | next up is Unicode whitespace characters | 21:01 |
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| notmyname | torgomatic: let's find out who's irc client doesn't do unicode! ;-) | 21:01 |
| bkeller` | then unicode zero-width non-joiner characters | 21:02 |
| acoles | mattoliverau: i just missed you all so much ;) | 21:02 |
| cschwede | hello! | 21:02 |
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| notmyname | agenda for this week is at | 21:02 |
| notmyname | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Swift | 21:02 |
| mattoliverau | of course you did acoles we're lovely :) | 21:02 |
| notmyname | mostly some FYI things to go over this week | 21:02 |
| notmyname | #topic newton release | 21:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "newton release (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:02 | |
| notmyname | the newton release is approaching, which means we need a release to include | 21:03 |
| notmyname | #link https://releases.openstack.org/newton/schedule.html | 21:03 |
| notmyname | there's the overall schedule | 21:03 |
| notmyname | tl;dr is that we need a release at the end of the month | 21:03 |
| notmyname | so... | 21:03 |
| notmyname | that means that I'll be starting to build a list of in-progress stuff that we can land before then | 21:03 |
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| notmyname | I'll use https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Swift/PriorityReviews like we've done in the past (don't bother clicking--it's not updated) | 21:04 |
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| notmyname | so expect to see that, and please bug me about patches that need to be on the list | 21:04 |
| acoles | notmyname: shall we also mark bugs critical that we'd like fixed for the release? | 21:05 |
| notmyname | the things I'll be looking at first are the patches I've starred in gerrit | 21:05 |
| notmyname | acoles: yes, that would be helpful too | 21:05 |
| notmyname | thanks | 21:05 |
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| notmyname | my starred patches (more than just swift) are https://review.openstack.org/#/q/starredby:notmyname | 21:05 |
| acoles | notmyname: ok I will mark a couple of bugs, you can always downgrade them if you disagree | 21:05 |
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| notmyname | acoles: perfect | 21:05 |
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| notmyname | any questions about the release or what that's going to look like? any of the logistics? | 21:06 |
| cschwede | i should have another look at my unicode patches… | 21:06 |
| notmyname | you mean ünicode? | 21:07 |
| cschwede | yeah, thät one! | 21:07 |
| notmyname | (you have more keys on your keyboard than me) | 21:07 |
| mattoliverau | \o/ mu irc client is unicode | 21:07 |
| mattoliverau | *my | 21:07 |
| acoles | mattoliverau: lucky yu | 21:07 |
| torgomatic | I � Unicode | 21:07 |
| notmyname | #topic golang status | 21:08 |
| * mattoliverau its obviously too early for me to actually be able to type | 21:08 | |
| *** openstack changes topic to "golang status (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:08 | |
| notmyname | nadeem_: you've proposed (and landed) the replicator repconn change | 21:08 |
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| notmyname | current golang work is focused on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/365849/ | 21:08 |
| patchbot | patch 365849 - swift (feature/hummingbird) - go: fix replicator policy bugs / big refactor | 21:08 |
| notmyname | right? | 21:08 |
| nadeem_ | true | 21:08 |
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| notmyname | here's what I'd like to see: a golang patch done and ready to land by the time we get to barcelona (meaning, the friday before the summit) | 21:09 |
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| notmyname | there will be a lot of discussions about golang there, I'm sure, and I'm also pretty sure they will be "intense" | 21:09 |
| nadeem_ | ready to land in feature/repconn or master? | 21:10 |
| notmyname | instead of saying "we will do something", I'd *much* prefer to be able to say "here's a thing, where does it go?" | 21:10 |
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| nadeem_ | okay | 21:10 |
| notmyname | nadeem_: in your opinion, what are the chances of meeting that deadline? | 21:10 |
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| notmyname | or rather, what do you need to make that happen? | 21:11 |
| nadeem_ | I think most of the work would be on deciding how could we split golang code which is easier to deploy for everyone | 21:12 |
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| nadeem_ | I think redbo is slightly hesitant in splitting the golang repository. | 21:13 |
| notmyname | ok | 21:13 |
| notmyname | I can understand that | 21:13 |
| notmyname | it's not a split IMO. it's a gradual migration to the mainline location of where it will live long-term for the community | 21:14 |
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| joeljwright | nice spin :) | 21:14 |
| nadeem_ | true...it is just that we don't know how long that interim period would be | 21:14 |
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| notmyname | nadeem_: it is taking longer than I initially expected, but that's because of the extra non-technical side of things that has gotten rather complicated | 21:15 |
| nadeem_ | may be we should have a video call and discuss more about it | 21:15 |
| notmyname | I think that would be perfect | 21:15 |
| notmyname | I can set one up for later this week or early next week | 21:15 |
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| notmyname | tdasilva: your video system still available to use? | 21:16 |
| notmyname | well, the RAX one is pretty good too, if nadeem_ hosts it | 21:16 |
| notmyname | I can work on setting that up | 21:16 |
| mattoliverau | nadeem_: can do that thing | 21:16 |
| nadeem_ | yep our video system is awesome | 21:16 |
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| * notmyname adds a note in his todo app | 21:16 | |
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| mattoliverau | nadeem_: sarcasm doesn't come across in irc well :P | 21:17 |
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| nadeem_ | :D | 21:17 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: if you have problems with it, its probably just because of the state of the aussie internet ;-) | 21:18 |
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| notmyname | anything else about golang? any other questions from anyone? | 21:18 |
| mattoliverau | lol, its true, its true | 21:18 |
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| notmyname | ok, let's move on then | 21:19 |
| notmyname | #topic the new PTG | 21:19 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "the new PTG (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:19 | |
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| notmyname | openstack has invented a new conference: the Project Team Gathering (PTG) | 21:19 |
| notmyname | this is designed to replace (and co-locate) all project midcycles | 21:19 |
| notmyname | lots of info is in this link (or linked to in it) | 21:20 |
| notmyname | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-September/102981.html | 21:20 |
| notmyname | the important thing is that it's the week of February 20 in Atlanta GA USA | 21:20 |
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| notmyname | this will be in place of any midcycle hackathon we would self-organize between barcelona and boston summits | 21:21 |
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| notmyname | so that's mostly an FYI--I don't really know much else except what's in the email | 21:22 |
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| notmyname | oh! that's the other thing. | 21:22 |
| notmyname | with this PTG, the Ocata release cycle will be shorter | 21:22 |
| notmyname | and the PTG will kick off the Pike release cycle | 21:22 |
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| notmyname | (instead of it being kicked off in boston) | 21:22 |
| notmyname | mostly, this schedule change will not affect us, since we do the "cycle with intermediary" releases | 21:23 |
| mattoliverau | oh wow ok.. good to know | 21:23 |
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| kota_ | good point, that's what I was surprised at | 21:24 |
| notmyname | the email has a nicely-formatted chart of how it works. if you like gantt charts, you'll love it ;-) | 21:24 |
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| notmyname | any questions about the PTG? | 21:24 |
| notmyname | good, no questions (because I don't know) | 21:24 |
| notmyname | ;-) | 21:25 |
| notmyname | (but seriously, any questions?) | 21:25 |
| mattoliverau | can I order pepsi in Atlanta.. I know you cant but its fun when you do ;) | 21:25 |
| notmyname | if I don't know, I'll find the answers for you | 21:25 |
| nadeem_ | will it be free for everyone? | 21:25 |
| joeljwright | will this completely remove the design element of the summits? | 21:25 |
| notmyname | nadeem_: IIRC there will be "a nominal fee" and you'll likely get a discount for boston by going to the PTG | 21:25 |
| notmyname | joeljwright: no, not quite. but sortof. it depends (mostly on who you ask) | 21:26 |
| mattoliverau | lol | 21:26 |
| joeljwright | :( | 21:26 |
| jrichli | will it for swift? | 21:26 |
| notmyname | it does seem like there will be some dev availability at the summit (renamed the "forum") | 21:26 |
| notmyname | and perhaps some space for a midcycle-style event | 21:26 |
| notmyname | if there is space available for project teams to meet at a summit, I think we should ask for that in boston. but I don't know any details about that yet (I'm not sure anyone does, yet) | 21:27 |
| clayg | acoles: is back! | 21:28 |
| acoles | clayg: is late! ;) | 21:28 |
| kota_ | lol | 21:28 |
| notmyname | the forum event in boston will be a good place to hear from users and ops, so I'd still encourage people to attend. it's hard to predict what it will be like at this point, though | 21:28 |
| mattoliverau | will the ptg ever be outside the US? | 21:29 |
| notmyname | clayg: next week's meeting starts at 2030UTC | 21:29 |
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| notmyname | everyone else: meeting starts at 2100UTC | 21:29 |
| acoles | lol | 21:29 |
| notmyname | ;-) | 21:29 |
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| mattoliverau | I know that's a maybe, not sure, no one knows, but yes maybe | 21:29 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: good question. it's been asked and the only answer I've seen is "maybe, but the first ones will very likely be in the US) | 21:29 |
| patchbot | Error: No closing quotation | 21:29 |
| notmyname | patchbot: " | 21:30 |
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| notmyname | patchbot: I'm going to rewrite you | 21:30 |
| pdardeau | notmyname: you should hook up siri and patchbot. not really, but it would be fun to watch. | 21:30 |
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| jrichli | lol | 21:31 |
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| notmyname | any other questions about the PTG? | 21:31 |
| acoles | notmyname: if there is space in Boston we should ask for it, otherwise we drop from ~14 face to face days per year to 6 | 21:31 |
| notmyname | acoles: right! | 21:31 |
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| mathiasb | and if there's no design/dev activity at the forum, it might be trickier getting travel approval | 21:32 |
| notmyname | mathiasb: indeed | 21:32 |
| acoles | mathiasb: agree | 21:32 |
| mattoliverau | no we just do our own midcycle or do we call it a start/end cycle, now I'm getting confused :P | 21:32 |
| joeljwright | I'm worried that the hackathons will lose the focus we've achieved in the past, and if there's no design at the summits… we'll lose a lot | 21:32 |
| mattoliverau | yeah especially from the other side of the world | 21:33 |
| acoles | joeljwright: yes, I think many of us share that concern | 21:33 |
| notmyname | yeah, it's different, and it will take some getting used to. but I don't want to dismiss the new thing before it's even happened (also, it's happening no matter what) | 21:33 |
| mattoliverau | fair point :) | 21:33 |
| joeljwright | *sigh* | 21:33 |
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| clayg | it's this kind of pragmatism that makes me glad we hve notmyname I don't want to dismiss the new thing before it's even happened (also, it's happening no matter what) | 21:34 |
| acoles | notmyname: yep, not dis-ing the new thing, just keen that we look out for other opportunities | 21:34 |
| timburke | something tells me we'll find a way to do design work, though it may or may not be officially sanctioned | 21:35 |
| notmyname | yeah, we should definitely focus on when and where we can have face-to-face time to make good progress in a focused environment | 21:35 |
| mattoliverau | LCA is a great conference in Australia, you should just come to that ;) | 21:35 |
| jrichli | take a whiteboard with us to the bars? | 21:35 |
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| timburke | jrichli knows what's up | 21:35 |
| clayg | jrichli: you know i'd love it | 21:35 |
| acoles | mattoliverau: I'm still waiting for yuo to invite us all to your beach house ;) | 21:35 |
| joeljwright | we could all accidentally get the wrong week for the summits ;) | 21:35 |
| clayg | oh dear | 21:35 |
| mattoliverau | acoles: your always invited, I have the guest room made up for you | 21:36 |
| notmyname | barca is going to be great and we'll have space in atlanta too. we'll figure out boston, but that's a *long* time from now | 21:36 |
| acoles | jrichli: we'll end up leaving a whiteboard in every bar in town | 21:36 |
| jrichli | lol | 21:36 |
| acoles | mattoliverau: sweet | 21:36 |
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| clayg | notmyname: you're always talking about having someone shadow you on release work | 21:36 |
| clayg | notmyname: did anyone ever *do* tath? | 21:37 |
| notmyname | ok, one other thing on the agenda to discuss this week | 21:37 |
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| notmyname | clayg: interesting segue | 21:37 |
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| notmyname | #topic release stewards | 21:37 |
| tdasilva | hello, sorry i'm late | 21:37 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "release stewards (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:37 | |
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| notmyname | so this is a new thing announced just today | 21:37 |
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| notmyname | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-September/103115.html | 21:37 |
| clayg | tdasilva: ha! i wsan't last, here you go -> http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/%23openstack-meeting/latest.log.html | 21:37 |
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| mattoliverau | tdasilva: it's ok, we have volunteered you to do all the things | 21:37 |
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| tdasilva | good bye ;) | 21:38 |
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| notmyname | there's a proposed new role for projects: a release steward | 21:38 |
| notmyname | the thinking is this: | 21:38 |
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| notmyname | for projects that pretty strictly follow the milestones and cycle release pattern, there's a good bit of overlap between finishing one release and prepping for the work on the next one | 21:38 |
| notmyname | so instead of formally putting all that work on one person (the PTL), designate a release steward or two to handle those things | 21:39 |
| * clayg read this email acctually - but I htink it was titled something about elections so I feel snookered | 21:39 | |
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| cschwede | it seems more important for projects that change PTLs quite often | 21:40 |
| notmyname | or rather, the release steward would watch over the release, starting before the N-1 one is released | 21:40 |
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| notmyname | cschwede: I think it's more for projects that have a lot of last milestone stuff and a lot of requirements/prioritization work. currently that kinda hits all at the same time | 21:41 |
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| notmyname | the new thing raises questions for us to consider | 21:42 |
| mattoliverau | and back ports, so they're essentially in change of the release for its entire life I gather. | 21:43 |
| notmyname | ...trying to figure out phrasing... | 21:43 |
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| clayg | like what? you should keep trying to get someone to help with release related stuff - i'm guessing as a shadow at first - unless you're feeling particularlly overburdended? | 21:43 |
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| clayg | I never got the feeling that *this* was the thing that stessed you out about being PTL | 21:43 |
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| notmyname | that is correct | 21:43 |
| clayg | releases are supposed to be easy if you're doing it right - I like to call it the "pick a sha" releasee strategy | 21:43 |
| mattoliverau | almost sounds like a pokemon. "pick a sha" | 21:44 |
| notmyname | I'm not feeling particularly overburdened by the release tasks. also, I know that pretty much any one of you who do stuff in swift would happily do this if you were asked, regardless of seeking it out or not | 21:45 |
| clayg | notmyname: so that *does* mean no one has volunteered for the extra work that you normally handle for us? | 21:45 |
| notmyname | but if it is something that you'd like to do, even as a chance to take on more responsibility and work with other teams, please let me know | 21:45 |
| clayg | I think mattoliverau tdasilva timburke acoles would all be great at this | 21:46 |
| clayg | I think aside from redbo I would be the worst at this | 21:46 |
| notmyname | I think most people in the swift community would be great at it | 21:46 |
| clayg | torgomatic: do you agree that we a non-representative minority? | 21:47 |
| notmyname | but that doesn't mean it needs to be forced on people or that it needs to be "withheld" either | 21:47 |
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| notmyname | all i'm trying to say is that if it sounds interesting to you, please let me know and we'll figure it out. if it's not something that is particularly interesting to you, that's cool too | 21:47 |
| notmyname | does that make sense? | 21:48 |
| torgomatic | clayg: I agree that I, too, would be terrible at this | 21:48 |
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| notmyname | are there any questions about this new release steward thing? | 21:48 |
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| clayg | gah! cschwede - cschwede would great at this... who else in here - notmyname is right | 21:48 |
| acoles | notmyname: I read the email and thought it was a useful process/structure that we could use if we needed but that we probably don't need to right now. That said, when you need help you shuold ask us. | 21:48 |
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| notmyname | (ok, so the worst part of it so far is that I haven't been able to type "steward" correctly on the first try yet. yes, including this time) | 21:49 |
| clayg | notmyname: can we trust you to ask for help when it's needed without needlessly burdening yourself with busy work that should/could be easily distributed? | 21:49 |
| acoles | clayg: what is a sha? (and did I manage to disqualify myself?) | 21:49 |
| mattoliverau | lol | 21:49 |
| joeljwright | :D | 21:49 |
| notmyname | I don't want people to necessarily jump up and say something here, nor do I think it's particularly good t speculate on who'd be good or bad at it. many people don't like jumping up in IRC. that being said, I want to make sure people know that it's a thing and I'd love to talk to you about it if you're interested | 21:50 |
| tdasilva | notmyname: so will this be another thing that if swift doesn't have one 'swift is different bla bla bla' ?? | 21:51 |
| * mattoliverau will read more about it :) I haven't really read the email yet | 21:51 | |
| notmyname | it's an interesting opportunity, I think, more from the community leadership development perspective than from actual technical need at this moment in time | 21:51 |
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| clayg | that's fair - and i'm sorry for calling people out - but I'm also trying voice the opinion that we're probably all quite happy to just let you do it? | 21:51 |
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| clayg | i say this because - you've called out for this before - and you didn't say that anyone jumped on it? | 21:52 |
| notmyname | clayg: I know :-) and yes, I'm happy to do it too (I currently am, and it's not the hard part of being the swift ptl) | 21:52 |
| notmyname | but this time it's more of an official OpenStack thing, and as tdasilva said, people are watching ;-) | 21:53 |
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| clayg | not that it's becoming an official thing - i think it opens the door to question if this would could/should be easily distributed and we can as a group encourage people to try and get involved - i might not be great at it - but i'd step up if ment you burn out less? | 21:53 |
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| clayg | if we know that you'll say uncle when it's needed - we're *probably* just going to take the easy road - or at least I am | 21:53 |
| notmyname | tdasilva: no, I don't think swift having one or not will be a thing. at least based on the language that's been used so far about it | 21:53 |
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| clayg | ok, so we let it stew and see what happens - unless someone reaches out to notmyname which is great too | 21:54 |
| notmyname | tdasilva: sure, somebody might try to criticize us for not having one, but it would be hard to make a good argument for that IMO | 21:54 |
| pdardeau | notmyname: how about we hold a bake sale and then hire a scrum master with proceeds? ;-) | 21:54 |
| clayg | pdardeau: lol | 21:55 |
| notmyname | pdardeau: that sounds....terrible. except for the cake. cake is good ;-) | 21:55 |
| acoles | notmyname: tdasilva or for the record we can have one but its one and the same person | 21:55 |
| notmyname | acoles: right | 21:55 |
| notmyname | #topic open discussion | 21:55 |
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| notmyname | anything else to bring up this week? | 21:55 |
| acoles | pdardeau: if you invite me to the cake sale you'll be able to afford two scrum masters :D | 21:55 |
| clayg | i wanted to go back to setting expectations for the feature/repconn! | 21:55 |
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| notmyname | ntata: you're looking at oslo.config? how's that going | 21:56 |
| notmyname | clayg: yeah, we covered that in the first 30 minutes ;-) | 21:56 |
| clayg | ntata: OMG that's awesome! I hadn't heard - ugs | 21:56 |
| timburke | speaking of release-y things, we might want to go land these two https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/swift+branch:stable/mitaka+topic:bug/1583305 | 21:56 |
| clayg | notmyname: that's why I said "go back" :P | 21:56 |
| notmyname | clayg: we're going to set up a video call about repconn stuff | 21:56 |
| clayg | oh right... | 21:56 |
| clayg | yeah i saw that too - that's fine | 21:56 |
| notmyname | timburke: thanks. I'll take a look | 21:57 |
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| clayg | timburke: yeah wfm - i'll star those - can we release them anytime? | 21:57 |
| joeljwright | I know everyone's busy, but I'd love comments on this before Barcelona: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/365371/ | 21:57 |
| patchbot | patch 365371 - swift - WIP: Add Tar Large Object Middleware | 21:57 |
| clayg | aww man - matt's all over it | 21:57 |
| ntata | Well, I have the same list of questions you raised, and have been taking them around some OSIC folks (who's worked on oslo config) and then planning to talking to some contacts from oslo team | 21:57 |
| notmyname | yeah, it's easy to land the backports. AIUI, it's the stable team that does releases from there | 21:58 |
| tdasilva | notmyname: I could help setting up the video call if needed | 21:58 |
| notmyname | tdasilva: thanks | 21:58 |
| ntata | also, I stumble dupon something called oslo middleware for the middleware stuff we discussed | 21:58 |
| notmyname | ntata: awesome! can you give us a report in next week's meeting? | 21:58 |
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| notmyname | ntata: but definitely let's talk ing -swift before then! ;-) | 21:58 |
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| ntata | okay, sure.. I can do that :) | 21:59 |
| notmyname | thanks | 21:59 |
| notmyname | one minute left. anything elsE? | 21:59 |
| notmyname | torgomatic: sorry. meeting took the whole time ;-) | 21:59 |
| torgomatic | bah ;) | 21:59 |
| notmyname | thanks, everyone, for working on swift. it's a pleasure to work with you | 22:00 |
| notmyname | #endmeeting | 22:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Sep 7 22:00:14 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:00 |
| csmart | \o | 22:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2016/swift.2016-09-07-21.00.html | 22:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2016/swift.2016-09-07-21.00.txt | 22:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2016/swift.2016-09-07-21.00.log.html | 22:00 |
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