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| aspiers | hi | 09:00 |
| samP | hi | 09:00 |
| aspiers | hi samP :) | 09:00 |
| samP | hi o/ | 09:01 |
| aspiers | beekhof: are you around? | 09:01 |
| aspiers | I guess not | 09:02 |
| aspiers | #startmeeting ha | 09:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Sep 5 09:02:46 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is aspiers. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 09:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 09:02 |
| beekhof | morning all | 09:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ha)" | 09:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ha' | 09:02 |
| aspiers | oh hi beekhof :) | 09:03 |
| aspiers | cool | 09:03 |
| * beekhof was on vacation last week | 09:03 | |
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| aspiers | hope you had a good time and your inbox is not too bloated ;-) | 09:03 |
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| aspiers | mine tends to get ~1000/week (excluding mailing lists) | 09:03 |
| aspiers | well, including the mailing lists I try to stay on top of | 09:04 |
| aspiers | so not openstack-dev ;-) | 09:04 |
| beekhof | hahaha | 09:04 |
| samP | same here...lol | 09:04 |
| aspiers | #topic HA guide | 09:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "HA guide (Meeting topic: ha)" | 09:04 | |
| beekhof | yes, i went somewhere warm to escape winter | 09:04 |
| aspiers | does Australia even get winter? ;-) | 09:04 |
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| beekhof | indeed | 09:05 |
| aspiers | #info ddeja submitted a review to HA guide adding instance HA info https://review.openstack.org/#/c/359955/ | 09:05 |
| aspiers | samP: I just added you as a reviewer | 09:05 |
| samP | aspiers: thank you. Ill take a look | 09:06 |
| aspiers | however ddeja is now supposed to be on vacation | 09:06 |
| aspiers | so I'll submit a new patchset taking my feedback into account | 09:06 |
| aspiers | #action aspiers to update the HA guide review | 09:07 |
| aspiers | beekhof: you wanna mention anything else about the HA guide? | 09:07 |
| beekhof | can i defer? i got pulled into a meeting real quick | 09:08 |
| beekhof | 5 minutes or so | 09:08 |
| aspiers | sure | 09:08 |
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| aspiers | samP: shall we wait a few minutes for him to get back? I guess there's not too much to discuss today | 09:10 |
| aspiers | other topics: specs and Barcelona | 09:10 |
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| aspiers | and anything else you want to discuss | 09:10 |
| samP | sure, sorry I dont have much topic to dicuss | 09:11 |
| aspiers | that's fine | 09:12 |
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| aspiers | OK that's 5 mins or so ;-) | 09:14 |
| aspiers | #topic specs | 09:14 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "specs (Meeting topic: ha)" | 09:14 | |
| aspiers | so the VM monitoring spec is almost finished | 09:15 |
| aspiers | just 1 or 2 FIXMEs I think | 09:15 |
| aspiers | samP: how much detail do you think the spec should give about the event data? | 09:15 |
| aspiers | samP: also I think it should mention the need to work with https so that the communication is secure | 09:16 |
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| beekhof | i'm pretty much back | 09:17 |
| aspiers | cool | 09:17 |
| aspiers | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/352217 is the VM monitoring spec | 09:18 |
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| samP | atleast, we need events about unexpected stop, crash and IO error | 09:18 |
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| aspiers | samP: yes | 09:18 |
| aspiers | samP: and what about event filtering? | 09:18 |
| aspiers | that should be configurable in the monitoring service, right? | 09:18 |
| samP | aspiers: yes | 09:18 |
| aspiers | better to filter at source than destination | 09:19 |
| samP | in client side | 09:19 |
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| samP | aspiers: agree | 09:19 |
| aspiers | maybe it's enough for now to make the spec request filtering just by event type? | 09:19 |
| aspiers | later we could improve if required | 09:19 |
| aspiers | but the spec doesn't need to be the final perfect solution | 09:19 |
| samP | aspiers: evetnt type is enough, as u said we can add more details later | 09:20 |
| aspiers | ok cool | 09:20 |
| aspiers | I think masakari-instancemonitor already implements 95% of what we need, which is good news :) | 09:21 |
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| samP | aspiers: yes. it also has client side event monitoring. though hard coded | 09:22 |
| aspiers | yep | 09:22 |
| aspiers | and we need https | 09:22 |
| aspiers | how should it get the server's certificate? | 09:23 |
| aspiers | a) just trust there is no middle-man attach the first time, and cache the cert | 09:23 |
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| aspiers | b) require the sysadmin to provide the cert | 09:23 |
| aspiers | s/sysadmin/Chef or Puppet or Ansible or .../ | 09:24 |
| aspiers | I think b) is better | 09:24 |
| samP | b) is feasible | 09:24 |
| aspiers | since b) still allows the possibility of a) | 09:24 |
| aspiers | ok cool | 09:25 |
| haukebruno | from my ops view: also b) sounds better | 09:25 |
| aspiers | oh hi haukebruno :) | 09:25 |
| samP | aspiers: yes. when we add a new computer node, thing are automated and b) is not a big issue | 09:25 |
| haukebruno | morning all \o/ | 09:25 |
| aspiers | that's good to hear | 09:25 |
| beekhof | ok, so you wanted to talk ha guide? | 09:25 |
| samP | haukebruno: morning.. | 09:25 |
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| beekhof | its mine, all mine i tell you! | 09:26 |
| aspiers | beekhof: we're currently talking about the VM monitoring spec | 09:26 |
| aspiers | hah | 09:26 |
| aspiers | beekhof: anything from you on that? we can switch back to HA guide if you have more to add | 09:26 |
| beekhof | i've not done much | 09:26 |
| beekhof | i'd like to get around a table at summit and come up with a plan | 09:26 |
| aspiers | +1 | 09:26 |
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| samP | +1 | 09:27 |
| beekhof | something we can then tell people what they can do to help | 09:27 |
| aspiers | yep | 09:27 |
| beekhof | there was a couple of folks | 09:27 |
| aspiers | #topic HA guide (part 2) | 09:27 |
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| beekhof | we kind of hashed most of it out over email | 09:27 |
| beekhof | but we should document it and circulate it a bit more | 09:28 |
| aspiers | #info beekhof has ideas for future of HA guide | 09:28 |
| aspiers | #info we should discuss in Barcelona | 09:28 |
| beekhof | and of course it ties into the other conversation about the new RH arch | 09:28 |
| aspiers | right | 09:28 |
| beekhof | which i expect to get grilled about in spain | 09:28 |
| beekhof | we can call it a spanish inquisition! | 09:29 |
| aspiers | or an Australian BBQ ;-) | 09:29 |
| beekhof | no-one expects those | 09:29 |
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| haukebruno | lol. are you guys all heading to barcelona? | 09:29 |
| beekhof | hahah, or that | 09:29 |
| beekhof | yep | 09:29 |
| aspiers | my travel's not confirmed yet | 09:29 |
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| aspiers | since I didn't get a talk approved this time | 09:29 |
| beekhof | doh | 09:29 |
| aspiers | beekhof: do you know if RH saw a big reduction in approved talks? | 09:30 |
| aspiers | it was a massive drop for SUSE | 09:30 |
| beekhof | neither of my 2 got accepted | 09:30 |
| beekhof | i dont know about others | 09:30 |
| aspiers | very strange | 09:30 |
| beekhof | maybe florian doesnt like you anymore? | 09:30 |
| aspiers | hah | 09:30 |
| aspiers | it's not up to him | 09:30 |
| beekhof | if i can get some time, i might try and get started on the docs plans | 09:30 |
| aspiers | #topic Barcelona | 09:31 |
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| beekhof | have you had time to absorb the RH plans? anything you still want to ask or critique? | 09:31 |
| aspiers | I think I already mentioned that it was not possible to get any official HA track this time :-/ | 09:31 |
| beekhof | yeah | 09:31 |
| beekhof | which kinda blows | 09:32 |
| aspiers | but it sounds like when they split the event in two it will be a lot easier | 09:32 |
| beekhof | unclear | 09:32 |
| aspiers | Thierry suggested that will be the case, IIRC | 09:32 |
| beekhof | i expect that is the intention | 09:32 |
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| aspiers | #info still no official HA track, hopefully the future event split will fix this though | 09:33 |
| aspiers | #topic RH's new generation HA architecture | 09:33 |
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| beekhof | aka. why beekhof is wrong | 09:33 |
| samP | cat we get the fish bowl? | 09:33 |
| aspiers | beekhof: we don't need a dedicated topic to discuss that ;-) | 09:33 |
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| beekhof | does anyone not know what RH is planning regarding the HA arch? | 09:34 |
| beekhof | would be hard to keep up if not :) | 09:34 |
| aspiers | beekhof: I think your blog posts are pretty clear | 09:34 |
| aspiers | beekhof: although I guess there is more they probably don't cover | 09:34 |
| beekhof | maybe not everyone read it | 09:34 |
| aspiers | http://blog.clusterlabs.org/blog/2016/next-openstack-ha-arch | 09:34 |
| beekhof | in any case, if anyone has questions or concerns... now is your chance | 09:35 |
| aspiers | http://blog.clusterlabs.org/blog/2016/composable-openstack-ha | 09:35 |
| aspiers | one question is: how are you going to implement the service-level monitoring? | 09:35 |
| aspiers | and I just had a crazy idea for you to shoot down in flames | 09:36 |
| beekhof | i expect there will be two layers | 09:36 |
| beekhof | simple systemd based + more advanced nagios style external monitoring | 09:36 |
| aspiers | since I plan to maintain the OCF RAs which have a "monitor" action which should do service-level monitoring (and in the cases where it doesn't, I can fix it) | 09:36 |
| beekhof | or sensu or whatever the flavor of the month is | 09:36 |
| aspiers | yes, by "service-level" I meant the non-systemd layer | 09:37 |
| beekhof | ok | 09:37 |
| aspiers | IOW, how will your $nagios_or_similar know how to monitor each service? | 09:37 |
| beekhof | yeah, that will all be external | 09:37 |
| aspiers | I assume it will need some kind of plugin per service | 09:37 |
| aspiers | so here's my crazy idea ... | 09:37 |
| aspiers | reuse "monitor" action of the OCF RAs :-) | 09:37 |
| beekhof | there will be something that gets called, yes | 09:37 |
| beekhof | thats one possibility | 09:38 |
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| beekhof | of course we might all be in containers by then, so we'd be doing something like http://kubernetes.io/docs/user-guide/production-pods/#liveness-and-readiness-probes-aka-health-checks | 09:38 |
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| aspiers | if the OCF RA needs to do some extra non-RA stuff to work with your monitoring layer, I'd be more than happy to accommodate it | 09:38 |
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| beekhof | i dont think there is any great desire to write this stuff, so if it exists in some consumable form i bet it would get reused | 09:39 |
| aspiers | yeah I've already been looking at that and stackanetes | 09:39 |
| aspiers | a simple service readiness problem could be too naive in some cases | 09:40 |
| beekhof | i've not come across that one | 09:40 |
| beekhof | aspiers: agreed | 09:40 |
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| aspiers | so let's agree that in principle, we're aligned on the idea of sharing/reusing code which does service-level monitoring | 09:40 |
| beekhof | thats one of the problems the kubernetes proponents will need to find a solution for if they want it adopted | 09:41 |
| beekhof | yes | 09:41 |
| beekhof | the only real wrinkle, is if your agents expect parameters | 09:41 |
| aspiers | if OCF RAs seems to be a suitable home for that code, as the maintainer I'm 100% happy to look after it | 09:41 |
| beekhof | thought... | 09:41 |
| aspiers | well that should be easy to deal with | 09:41 |
| aspiers | simply pass the right environment variables | 09:42 |
| beekhof | and i get that this is contrary to everything i've said for 14 years | 09:42 |
| aspiers | and if k8s doesn't support that, a wrapper script can set them easily | 09:42 |
| beekhof | what if the monitor logic lived in a separate file/script | 09:42 |
| aspiers | I'm OK with that too | 09:42 |
| beekhof | well the point is that we wouldn;'t have any... anything would be in the sysconfig file | 09:42 |
| beekhof | since systemd doesnt have parameters | 09:43 |
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| beekhof | sep file would make them easier to consume == less resistance | 09:43 |
| aspiers | sure | 09:43 |
| * beekhof has to run again... kids bedtime | 09:43 | |
| aspiers | I'm totally fine with that | 09:43 |
| beekhof | i'll try and make it a bit more often | 09:43 |
| aspiers | separate files could still potentially live the o-r-a repo | 09:43 |
| beekhof | it == this meeting | 09:43 |
| beekhof | yes | 09:44 |
| aspiers | beekhof: cool, was great to have you here this time | 09:44 |
| aspiers | samP: sorry yes, we should try to book a decent room in advance | 09:44 |
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| aspiers | samP, haukebruno: you want to discuss anything else? | 09:45 |
| haukebruno | not from my site :( | 09:45 |
| aspiers | ok np | 09:45 |
| haukebruno | just looking forward to the barcelona summit to see some of you folks | 09:45 |
| aspiers | yes I hope I can make it! :-/ | 09:45 |
| samP | aspiers: not from my side | 09:46 |
| aspiers | ok then, let's close for today | 09:46 |
| aspiers | thanks all and bye for now! | 09:46 |
| samP | thank you all... | 09:47 |
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| haukebruno | have a nice day all | 09:47 |
| aspiers | you too :) | 09:47 |
| aspiers | #endmeeting | 09:47 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Sep 5 09:47:57 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 09:47 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ha/2016/ha.2016-09-05-09.02.html | 09:48 |
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| andreykurilin | #startmeeting Rally | 14:05 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Sep 5 14:05:11 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is andreykurilin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:05 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:05 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'rally' | 14:05 |
| andreykurilin | hi all | 14:05 |
| rvasilets__ | \о | 14:05 |
| astarove | hi | 14:05 |
| andreykurilin | unfortunately, we do not have a lot of things to discuss and our agenda is empty :( | 14:06 |
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| andreykurilin | but it doesn't mean that we will skip it) | 14:06 |
| andreykurilin | so let's start | 14:07 |
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| andreykurilin | #topic rally 0.6.0 | 14:07 |
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| andreykurilin | I'm planning to cut a release today | 14:07 |
| andreykurilin | at least submit release notes:) | 14:07 |
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| rvasilets__ | )) | 14:07 |
| andreykurilin | so it is required to not merge big patches | 14:07 |
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| andreykurilin | only fixes of critical bugs | 14:08 |
| rvasilets__ | okey | 14:08 |
| andreykurilin | next release will be 0.7.0 | 14:08 |
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| andreykurilin | and we need to try decrease time between releases | 14:08 |
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| andreykurilin | let's concentrate on improvements of keystone v3 support for next release | 14:09 |
| andreykurilin | it is very important | 14:10 |
| andreykurilin | as much as db refactoring :) | 14:10 |
| andreykurilin | so that is all about release | 14:11 |
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| andreykurilin | and I have no topics to discuss... | 14:11 |
| rvasilets__ | me too) | 14:11 |
| rvasilets__ | bad roman) | 14:11 |
| andreykurilin | astarove: maybe you have something, do you?) | 14:12 |
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| astarove | no, I din't | 14:12 |
| astarove | no, I didn't | 14:12 |
| rvasilets__ | i'm working now on moving to osclients into sessions(its about moving to v3) | 14:12 |
| andreykurilin | astarove: ok... | 14:12 |
| andreykurilin | astarove: okay | 14:12 |
| andreykurilin | :D | 14:12 |
| andreykurilin | let's finish meeting, if we do not have anything to discuss | 14:13 |
| andreykurilin | #endmeeting | 14:13 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Sep 5 14:13:42 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:13 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2016/rally.2016-09-05-14.05.html | 14:13 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2016/rally.2016-09-05-14.05.txt | 14:13 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2016/rally.2016-09-05-14.05.log.html | 14:13 |
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| anteaya | #startmeeting third-party | 15:06 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Sep 5 15:06:45 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is anteaya. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:06 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:06 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'third_party' | 15:06 |
| anteaya | sorry lennyb | 15:06 |
| anteaya | and thanks for the ping | 15:07 |
| anteaya | was reviewing a patch | 15:07 |
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| eantyshev | o/ | 15:07 |
| lennyb | hi | 15:07 |
| anteaya | hello | 15:07 |
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| anteaya | how are you today? | 15:07 |
| anteaya | sorry I'm late starting | 15:07 |
| anteaya | do we have anything to talk about today? | 15:07 |
| lennyb | fine, thanks.how are you? Yes. | 15:08 |
| lennyb | In case of broken CI, what is the best/easiest way to run commits back or debug the issue? I mean I dont know what commit broke me, it can be neutron/cinder/devstack | 15:08 |
| lennyb | for example #link http://13.69.151.247/Cinder-ISER-ISCSI/2574_cloudx-26//testr_results.html.gz | 15:08 |
| anteaya | good questions | 15:08 |
| anteaya | lennyb: was this the first test that failed | 15:08 |
| anteaya | often it can be a timing issue | 15:09 |
| lennyb | no | 15:09 |
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| anteaya | find the first failure | 15:09 |
| eantyshev | I also wanted to make an announcement | 15:09 |
| anteaya | and then check the timestamps off all the patches that merged before that failure | 15:09 |
| lennyb | it started to fail a while ago, but I cant tell exactly when | 15:09 |
| anteaya | but since the last success | 15:09 |
| anteaya | eantyshev: ack, you are next, thank you | 15:09 |
| anteaya | lennyb: oh okay | 15:09 |
| anteaya | well you asked about the best way and in my opinion, the best way is time stamp comparison | 15:10 |
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| lennyb | I know I can export a branch in devstack (stable/mitaka) and it will apply to all | 15:10 |
| anteaya | if you can't work backwards to timestamps then I think you are one at a time removing patches to find the last best state | 15:10 |
| anteaya | or that | 15:10 |
| lennyb | can I provide a local.conf with a special commit for neutron for example? | 15:12 |
| anteaya | ah sure | 15:12 |
| anteaya | I'm not sure how much help I personally can be if you do | 15:12 |
| anteaya | but sure you can do so | 15:12 |
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| anteaya | perhaps eantyshev might be get something useful from that | 15:12 |
| lennyb | I know it works with refs/.../patchset number, but I need to map gerrit patchset with git commit | 15:13 |
| anteaya | eantyshev: we'll finish with lennyb and then you can share your announcement, if that is okay with you? | 15:13 |
| anteaya | lennyb: hmmmm | 15:13 |
| eantyshev | anteaya: I don't see the problem at first glance | 15:14 |
| anteaya | eantyshev: thank you | 15:14 |
| eantyshev | anteaya: perfect | 15:14 |
| anteaya | thanks | 15:14 |
| anteaya | lennyb: we might be into the territory where we would need fungi, clarkb or jeblair's help | 15:14 |
| lennyb | ok, I will try to ping them later | 15:15 |
| anteaya | but it is Labor Day today in the states so they might not be online today | 15:15 |
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| anteaya | lennyb: you can keep explaining and eantyshev and I can listen | 15:15 |
| anteaya | if you have more explaining to share | 15:15 |
| anteaya | I'm just not sure how much help I can be | 15:15 |
| lennyb | Since each stack.sh run pulls the latest code I am interested to find a way to be persistent with the devstack | 15:16 |
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| anteaya | well that depends on what you want to test | 15:17 |
| anteaya | devstack for testing is designed to test the most recent code | 15:17 |
| eantyshev | lennyb: we solve this by working with local clone of devstack | 15:17 |
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| anteaya | if you don't want devstack to clone new code but want it to run with existing code you can set the config to offline I do believe | 15:17 |
| anteaya | the exact config setting is in the devstack docs | 15:18 |
| mmedvede | lennyb: if you want to go the path of bisecting which patch broke you, you can use commit sha as well. I once had to do it. It was tricky due to having to decide which repository out of about 20 to bisect | 15:18 |
| anteaya | hey mmedvede, glad you are here | 15:18 |
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| mmedvede | lennyb: if you think it is devstack that broke you, makes it easier. Definitely many ways to pin devstack. One of them is to pin it in pre_test_hook (if you use devstack-gate) | 15:19 |
| mmedvede | hi anteaya | 15:19 |
| lennyb | the problem that I dont know were to start bisecting ( cinder/neutron/nova/devstack ) :). I will start probably with devstack | 15:19 |
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| anteaya | lennyb: yeah if you don't have timestamps to help you, I think you just pick one at a time, unless you have some indication in the test where to begin | 15:20 |
| lennyb | thanks. | 15:20 |
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| mmedvede | lennyb: as anteaya mentioned, if you can narrow down time when you started breaking, it would help. You can then check which repositories had patches merge during that time window | 15:20 |
| anteaya | thank you for asking about it, I hope you make progress | 15:21 |
| lennyb | thanks. I am done with the issue. | 15:21 |
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| anteaya | thanks lennyb | 15:22 |
| anteaya | anymore before we move to eantyshev's announcement? | 15:22 |
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| anteaya | eantyshev: you're up | 15:22 |
| eantyshev | last time I asked here which version of Jenkins I need to setup CI. Turned out, I need some old version like 1.651.1. It needs some amendment to puppet-openstackci, which depend on puppet-jenkins (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/354086/) | 15:22 |
| eantyshev | but the above change doesn't work, due to https://issues.jenkins-ci.org/browse/INFRA-92 | 15:23 |
| anteaya | hmmmm, that's unfortunate | 15:23 |
| eantyshev | as jenkins doesn't provide old versions in apt repositories. They only available as .deb files | 15:24 |
| anteaya | this is an old issue | 15:24 |
| eantyshev | So, i'm deciding: should I strive to get rid of Jenkins in my CI, too | 15:24 |
| anteaya | the bug isn't getting any attention | 15:24 |
| anteaya | can you install from .deb files at all? | 15:25 |
| anteaya | can you try that route first? | 15:25 |
| anteaya | I'm guessing asselin is observing labor day today | 15:25 |
| eantyshev | I tried, but I want this to be automated in puppet, so I don't have to manually update everything | 15:26 |
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| anteaya | eantyshev: hmmm, I think we talked about taking this to the infra list last time but then it got resolved and we didn't have a ml discussion about it | 15:27 |
| anteaya | eantyshev: given this upstream issue that isn't getting any attention, do you feel you would post to the ml about this? | 15:27 |
| anteaya | this will affect other puppet jenkins users | 15:28 |
| anteaya | I think we need to increase the general awareness of what you have uncovered here | 15:28 |
| anteaya | eantyshev: what do you think? | 15:28 |
| eantyshev | well, this is really a chance | 15:28 |
| anteaya | chance or change? | 15:29 |
| eantyshev | I'll try it, to post this to ml | 15:29 |
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| mmedvede | there was also the security workaround patch to make newer versions of jenkins work, at cost of disabling the security feature that breaks it. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/334400/ | 15:29 |
| anteaya | thank you I appreciate it | 15:29 |
| mmedvede | it would not merge as is | 15:29 |
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| anteaya | yeah, I think a post kicking off a general chat about the puppet-jenkins module would be good | 15:30 |
| anteaya | mention the upstream version issue and this security issue | 15:30 |
| anteaya | we want the puppet-jenkins module to be usable | 15:30 |
| eantyshev | mmedvede: well, that's not the same problem, I know this one | 15:31 |
| anteaya | and if it has gotten into the state where it isn't we need to discuss this | 15:31 |
| anteaya | eantyshev: right but mmedvede's point I believe is that both issues affect the same module | 15:31 |
| anteaya | so having the discussion about the module as a whole might be the most effective way to introduce the topic | 15:31 |
| anteaya | rather than considering the issues to be separate | 15:32 |
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| mmedvede | eantyshev: my point was that the reason you need older jenkins is that it does not have that security feature in it | 15:33 |
| mmedvede | so these two related. 3 ways to get jenkins to work: explicitly allow certain parameters to be passed | 15:34 |
| anteaya | mmedvede: ah sorry | 15:34 |
| anteaya | mmedvede: thanks for clarifying | 15:34 |
| mmedvede | 2) use older version of jenkins | 15:34 |
| mmedvede | 3) disable security in new version of jenkins | 15:34 |
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| anteaya | eantyshev: what do you think? | 15:37 |
| anteaya | are we still discussing this item? | 15:39 |
| anteaya | are we going to see a mailing list post? | 15:39 |
| anteaya | what would we like to do? | 15:39 |
| anteaya | I can only assume that eantyshev has gone offline for some reason | 15:40 |
| mmedvede | looks like it | 15:40 |
| anteaya | does anyone have any other items they would like to discuss today? | 15:41 |
| anteaya | mmedvede: yeah, so we can come back to this or follow up in -infra | 15:41 |
| anteaya | anyone with any other items today? | 15:41 |
| anteaya | okay so when eantyshev comes back we can discuss in the -infra channel or pick up at next weeks' meeting whichever he likes | 15:42 |
| anteaya | does anyone have any objections to me closing today's meeting? | 15:42 |
| anteaya | note I'm offline the rest of today to observe Canada's Labour Day | 15:43 |
| lennyb | enjoy | 15:43 |
| anteaya | thank you all for attending | 15:43 |
| anteaya | lennyb: thank you | 15:43 |
| anteaya | enjoy the rest of your day/evening | 15:43 |
| mmedvede | thanks anteaya | 15:43 |
| anteaya | see you all next week | 15:43 |
| anteaya | #endmeeting | 15:43 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Sep 5 15:43:33 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:43 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2016/third_party.2016-09-05-15.06.html | 15:43 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2016/third_party.2016-09-05-15.06.txt | 15:43 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2016/third_party.2016-09-05-15.06.log.html | 15:43 |
| anteaya | mmedvede: :) | 15:43 |
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| matjazp | #startmeeting training-guides | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Sep 5 17:00:38 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is matjazp. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'training_guides' | 17:00 |
| matjazp | hey all | 17:00 |
| matjazp | roll call | 17:00 |
| ildikov | o/ | 17:00 |
| matjazp | Agenda at https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/training-guides-meeting-agenda | 17:01 |
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| diablo_rojo | Hello | 17:01 |
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| matjazp | hey ildikov diablo_rojo | 17:01 |
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| matjazp | First, lets agree on IRC meeting frequency | 17:02 |
| matjazp | #info we'll switch back to the weekly meeting format, at least until Summit (agreed on Docs ML) | 17:02 |
| matjazp | there were no objections, so I guess I'll see you all next week, right? :) | 17:02 |
| ianychoi | Hello yes +1 | 17:02 |
| matjazp | hey ianychoi | 17:02 |
| ianychoi | Hi matjazp! :) | 17:03 |
| ildikov | matjazp: I have a collision for next week | 17:03 |
| ildikov | but that should not hold the whole team back from having the meeting :) | 17:03 |
| matjazp | ildikov: np. I just hope the attendance will be >1 ;) | 17:03 |
| ildikov | so my vote is weekly until the Summit still | 17:03 |
| ildikov | matjazp: that I hope so too! | 17:04 |
| ildikov | :) | 17:04 |
| ildikov | we have lots of work to do | 17:04 |
| ianychoi | Actually, we might change the wat of our current 1st and 3rd week in every month | 17:04 |
| matjazp | ildikov: +1... since there were no objections on ML, I guess we can safely switch and that the attendance will be better | 17:04 |
| matjazp | #topic Review of action items from the previous meeting | 17:04 |
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| matjazp | http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_guides/2016/training_guides.2016-08-15-17.00.html | 17:04 |
| matjazp | ildikov: just for backup.. did you check with dreamhost? | 17:05 |
| ildikov | the last time I talked to Stefano at Dreamhost he was supportive | 17:05 |
| matjazp | cool | 17:05 |
| matjazp | I saw some feedback for openstack-training-virtual-environment | 17:06 |
| ildikov | I haven't talked to him since and in the meantime we also decided to go with local VMs | 17:06 |
| matjazp | so i guess that action item is developing | 17:06 |
| ildikov | I will ping him and double check to be sure we have backup | 17:06 |
| matjazp | ildikov: yes, local as primary platform, but VMs in the cloud as a backup for a few | 17:07 |
| ildikov | I think so, I think Mark will be available tomorrow | 17:07 |
| ianychoi | Cool... okay | 17:07 |
| ildikov | or at least according to Doodle | 17:07 |
| matjazp | we don't need much.. just a plan b if someone's laptop "dies" | 17:07 |
| matjazp | ok moving on | 17:08 |
| matjazp | #topic Upstream training | 17:08 |
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| matjazp | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/upstream-university-improvements | 17:08 |
| matjazp | #info Upstream training virtual sprint September 6, 12-13 and 16: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/VirtualSprints#Upstream_training_Sprint | 17:08 |
| ildikov | matjazp: well, if the laptop itself dies, that's a bigger issue than public cloud, but I got the point :) | 17:08 |
| ildikov | matjazp: thanks | 17:09 |
| ildikov | I think I set up everything for the sprint days | 17:09 |
| matjazp | ok, just to fine tune the topic | 17:09 |
| ildikov | I mean we have an IRC channel that can be used, I added a Google Hangouts link | 17:09 |
| matjazp | #topic Upstream training virtual sprint: topics and goals | 17:09 |
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| ianychoi | Cool :) | 17:09 |
| matjazp | ildikov: stage is yours :) | 17:09 |
| ildikov | haha, tnx :) | 17:09 |
| ildikov | my bad, I should've changed the order | 17:10 |
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| ildikov | so we have four days when most of us is available | 17:10 |
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| ildikov | I added the details to the wiki, I can send out one more reminder mail, maybe I can even add the dev list this time, I don't know whether we would have anyone from there showing up to help | 17:10 |
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| ildikov | with diablo_rojo we also started to add a few new etherpads to the topics to have better readability on the material | 17:11 |
| ildikov | and plan | 17:11 |
| ildikov | s | 17:11 |
| matjazp | excelent | 17:11 |
| ildikov | I think as primary focus we would need to work on the common items and code contribution | 17:11 |
| ildikov | I mean these two bigger parts | 17:12 |
| ianychoi | Hope that many more people will participate on. | 17:12 |
| diablo_rojo | I got code contribution :) | 17:12 |
| ianychoi | How do think about sandbox launchpad? | 17:12 |
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| ildikov | also if anyone has the capacity and haven't tried yet we also need to finalise the VM setup | 17:12 |
| ianychoi | ildikov, you can try the VM setup during the sprint :) | 17:12 |
| ildikov | ianychoi: I think that would be good to play with bug reports | 17:13 |
| diablo_rojo | Once I get done with the code contribution section I can work on it if someone else hasn't picked it up by then. | 17:13 |
| ildikov | ianychoi: right, when I'm sick of the content I'll go and play with the VMs :) | 17:13 |
| matjazp | ildikov: true,.. in my experience, ppl always try to spin up the VM in the Devstack and expect to be available on the "internet".. so I usually modified similar setup as is this with a "proper" net config | 17:13 |
| ildikov | diablo_rojo: kmARC is working on the VM setup, he needs feedback and maybe some finalisation with the network setup | 17:14 |
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| diablo_rojo | ildikov, I can definitely give feedback, not sure how much I can help with networking, but I will try : ) | 17:14 |
| ildikov | diablo_rojo: if you can provide feedback, that's already very helpful :) | 17:15 |
| diablo_rojo | Can do :) | 17:15 |
| matjazp | I used vagrant for my class, and added a config for KVM provider, its much more performant that virtualbox | 17:15 |
| ildikov | diablo_rojo: if you cannot reach kmARC on IRC, then just drop a mail if there's anything | 17:15 |
| diablo_rojo | Sounds good. | 17:16 |
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| matjazp | not tommorow, but I can look at the networking part and help there | 17:16 |
| ildikov | matjazp: if that works for all operating systems more backup options is always better | 17:16 |
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| matjazp | ildikov: sure, but with vbox, not with KVM provider | 17:17 |
| ildikov | matjazp: cool, we have multiple days for virtual sprint and also the weekly meetings to discuss | 17:17 |
| ildikov | matjazp: ah, ok | 17:17 |
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| ildikov | so back to the sprints a bit | 17:17 |
| matjazp | kvm provider needs Linux host | 17:17 |
| matjazp | ok | 17:17 |
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| matjazp | what is the focus for tomorrow? | 17:18 |
| ildikov | sorry, I would like to be sure the sprints goals are set before we run out of time :) | 17:18 |
| ildikov | so as I said I think we have two main modules that would be great to finish asap | 17:18 |
| ildikov | the common parts and code contribution | 17:19 |
| ildikov | diablo_rojo volunteered to drive the code contrib part, we have an etherpad for it: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/upstream-uni-code-contribution | 17:19 |
| ildikov | i also started to draft my ideas for the common items: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/upstream-uni-common-items | 17:20 |
| diablo_rojo | I should have a patch up in the next day or so for the initial changes. The next step after that is to get the exercises in. | 17:20 |
| matjazp | #info Upstream sprint 6 Sep https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/upstream-uni-code-contribution and https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/upstream-uni-common-items | 17:20 |
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| ildikov | I don't think we should work on only one or the other tomorrow | 17:21 |
| diablo_rojo | I agree. | 17:21 |
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| ianychoi | #link http://docs.openstack.org/upstream-training/#outline-and-online-slide-index | 17:22 |
| ildikov | if we have more people online at the same time we can brainstorm and finalise ideas and content any blocks in these two modules | 17:22 |
| ianychoi | ildikov, so we may need to change the table of contents? like 'Common' section, 'Code contribution', ..? | 17:22 |
| ildikov | ianychoi: we will need to, yes | 17:22 |
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| matjazp | #undo | 17:23 |
| ildikov | ianychoi: is that generated from the trainig-guides repo also? | 17:23 |
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| matjazp | ildikov: thats the landing page | 17:23 |
| matjazp | in the same repo | 17:24 |
| ildikov | ok, cool | 17:24 |
| matjazp | we generate slides and a landing page that connects everything together | 17:24 |
| matjazp | so it's easy to change/restructure anything | 17:24 |
| ildikov | that sounds great | 17:25 |
| matjazp | we can easily move content form slide format to the text and vice versa | 17:25 |
| ildikov | I think we might change the overall ToC only at the end | 17:25 |
| ianychoi | Yep actually I have not deeply seen two additional etherpads, but some table of content "organization" stuff is needed | 17:25 |
| matjazp | everything in in RST | 17:25 |
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| ildikov | ianychoi: I will add a main block to the top of the main etherpad | 17:25 |
| ildikov | and we can work on the details of each block in the separate etherpads | 17:26 |
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| ildikov | and the high level agenda can be the skeleton for the whole class and then we can agree on one level lower details in the separate etherpads | 17:26 |
| ildikov | if this makes sense | 17:26 |
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| ianychoi | ildikov, okay, and I heard that Lego will not be used in Barcelona upstream training. However, I would like to keep Lego section as '(Optional)' section. | 17:27 |
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| ildikov | ianychoi: we will not have Lego at all and also we only have 1,5 days this time | 17:27 |
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| ildikov | ianychoi: I thought to focus a bit on the message of the Lego block at the beginning, talk a little bit about Agile terms and discuss why OpenStack has the way of working what it has today | 17:28 |
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| ianychoi | ildikov, okay I see. | 17:29 |
| ianychoi | And it would be much better if we set our desired timeline during 1.5 days | 17:29 |
| ildikov | ianychoi: also Lana cannot come to the training this time unfortunately and she really is the queen of facilitating that game :( | 17:29 |
| ildikov | ianychoi: I agree | 17:30 |
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| ildikov | I had ideas to have the common items during Sunday afternoon and maybe Monday morning as well | 17:30 |
| ianychoi | ildikov, Yep Lana updated a lot of Lego content last time. | 17:30 |
| ildikov | she saved us in Austin, if she wasn't there the Lego game would've been a disaster! | 17:31 |
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| ildikov | after the common parts we have options in my mind | 17:31 |
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| ildikov | we either try to run parallel sessions or do things still in order, focus much on the code contribution, hands on parts and also talk about other ways of contributing, like working groups or docs as a main focus, etc. | 17:32 |
| diablo_rojo | That sounds like a good plan to me | 17:33 |
| matjazp | you mean parallel sessions with different topics? | 17:33 |
| ianychoi | I have just found that the 1st day (Sunday) is for 4 hours and the 2nd day (Monday) is for 6 hours | 17:33 |
| ildikov | the training registration form has a question about people's primary interest, if everyone says code it will be easy to design the training :) | 17:34 |
| ildikov | matjazp: at a certain point maybe, I'm less and less sure we can make that happen in Barcelona | 17:34 |
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| ianychoi | It is relatively short.. but fine | 17:34 |
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| ildikov | matjazp: the idea is not about distract the developers, but give a chance to architects, manager or operators to attend the training and participate in OpenStack | 17:34 |
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| ianychoi | Parallel sessions may depend on the number of participants | 17:35 |
| ildikov | ianychoi: I will double check, I remembered Sunday is relatively short, I thought Monday is longer | 17:35 |
| ildikov | ianychoi: also much on the participants, so what I shared above is more long term ideas rather than strict plan for Barcelona | 17:36 |
| ildikov | this is why I think we should focus on the common parts and code contrib during the virtual sprints with a 'hands-on and interactive' mind set | 17:37 |
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| ildikov | if we can get that two right and maybe some small blocks of info about other areas, then I think people will be satisfied when they leave | 17:37 |
| ildikov | I tried to get people involved to have content for other blocks, but that goes slow too | 17:38 |
| ildikov | ianychoi: does it make sense? ^^ | 17:39 |
| matjazp | for the sprint: we could also increase the pool of possible contributors with a list of predefined smaller tasks they can pick up... for devs that just want to help a bit and don't have time to engage "full" time | 17:39 |
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| ildikov | matjazp: that's a good idea | 17:39 |
| ianychoi | I have some ideas on parallel sessions if we would like to run. 1) defining what type of parallel sessions: a) bug report and fix b) code contribution c) user group (community) participation d) blueprint 2) how the number of each group will make sense? three? four? 3) For each group, there should be at least one mentor. | 17:40 |
| diablo_rojo | I had thought about that too, it will depend on what tasks exist in the community that are easy enough to pick up. | 17:40 |
| ianychoi | ildikov, yep make sense :) I was writing my ideas above | 17:40 |
| ildikov | I think we could do that tomorrow in order to have more people next week to get stuff done | 17:41 |
| matjazp | ildikov: we usually just enter this small tasks as bugs, but we can also leave them in the etherpad, but we need to see that there is no duplication of effort. | 17:41 |
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| ildikov | ianychoi: hmm, I think bug and blueprint are under code contrib, but we can chat about it tomorrow or next week on one of the sprint days :) | 17:42 |
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| ianychoi | Before upstream training, some mentors selected 'low-hanging-fruit' bugs which were relevant during upstream training | 17:42 |
| ildikov | matjazp: sure, I thought to add items to the etherpad and then let people sign up | 17:42 |
| matjazp | diablo_rojo: I'm talking about tasks to contribute to the Training guides/Upstream training (as in: rewrite the topic about IRC, include this and that on the page, etc.) | 17:43 |
| matjazp | diablo_rojo: you're talking about tasks that they can do AT the training, right? | 17:43 |
| ildikov | ianychoi: ah ok, I misunderstood what you wrote | 17:43 |
| ildikov | ianychoi: if you check the common parts etherpad I added a question about creating groups already at the beginning, so I think we kind of think about a similar setup :) | 17:44 |
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| diablo_rojo | matjazp, Ah I missed the contributing to the training guides part, I thought you meant the big tent projects. | 17:44 |
| ianychoi | ildikov, fine :) And I most liked IRC participation during upstream training. How was it during last Austin upstream training? | 17:44 |
| ildikov | ianychoi: it wasn't that active | 17:44 |
| matjazp | diablo_rojo: we need both types of tasks | 17:44 |
| diablo_rojo | I know that the focus is things they can do at the training though :) | 17:44 |
| matjazp | one for the training, and other for the sprint | 17:45 |
| ildikov | ianychoi: unfortunately the presenters including myself we weren't prepared for the training well enough :( | 17:45 |
| diablo_rojo | ildikov, We will be ready this time | 17:46 |
| ildikov | matjazp: it could be one small task to people to identify items that people can work on | 17:46 |
| ianychoi | ildikov, that's quite okay. For me I was so satisfied with upstream training because I learned how OpenStack people make decisions and how they contribute. | 17:46 |
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| ildikov | diablo_rojo: nah, we will never be ready, I'm sure, but we will be way more prepared :) | 17:46 |
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| ildikov | ianychoi: that's what I would like to bring back | 17:47 |
| ildikov | ianychoi: much more discussions within the groups of students and with the trainers | 17:47 |
| ianychoi | For common section, I am not sure, but usually famous guys emphasize '4 opens' for OpenStack and illustrate how '4 opens' reflect in OpenStack | 17:47 |
| ildikov | and also more things that teach people how to find information and how to solve problems, etc. | 17:48 |
| diablo_rojo | ildikov, touche :) | 17:48 |
| ianychoi | And then trainers illustrated how IRC is important to discuss and make decision. | 17:48 |
| ildikov | ianychoi: good point, I'll add it there | 17:48 |
| ianychoi | I will read ildikov 's common section items on Etherpad thanks, ildikov ! | 17:49 |
| ildikov | ianychoi: :) | 17:49 |
| matjazp | ok, do we have any action items for next week? | 17:50 |
| ianychoi | Aa, and project code contribution and document code contribution may be different, so both will be treated differently I think. How do you think, diablo_rojo ? | 17:50 |
| ildikov | I think to revisit what we've done this week mostly | 17:50 |
| ildikov | next Monday is also a sprint day, so the meeting can be used as a checkpoint | 17:51 |
| matjazp | ianychoi: contributing to the docs is very similar to contributing code | 17:51 |
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| ildikov | ianychoi: diablo_rojo: I had a short mail chat with Lana and she is against differentiating | 17:51 |
| matjazp | ianychoi: same process | 17:51 |
| diablo_rojo | ianychoi, I think they are slightly, different, but I'm not sure they are different enough that they need to be different sections. | 17:51 |
| matjazp | diablo_rojo: agree | 17:52 |
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| ildikov | my thinking is that we should have that as part of the code contribution part on the level of 'write docs to you feature' | 17:52 |
| ianychoi | matjazp, doing launchpad and gerrit is the same and they have same process, but the perspective can be different. | 17:52 |
| matjazp | diablo_rojo: they are similar enough that we don't need to distinguish them | 17:52 |
| ianychoi | Moreover, student's expectation might be different. | 17:52 |
| ildikov | I think if it comes to OpenStack Manuals, that's different | 17:52 |
| diablo_rojo | ildikov, +1 | 17:52 |
| ianychoi | +1 for ildikov :) | 17:53 |
| ildikov | if we have tech writers among the students, I would like to have a docs section to them while others are playing with the unit tests and hacking the Python code | 17:53 |
| diablo_rojo | That could work | 17:53 |
| diablo_rojo | Six min left as a heads up | 17:54 |
| ianychoi | And one more.... matjazp, I am not sure where upunbot on #upstream-university.. For this bot, maybe Tim Freund or Loic operated.. | 17:54 |
| ildikov | I think that makes more sense, we might think about how to help those who're interested in OpenStack Manuals to work together with the community, understand projects and code on the level they need and most importantly really how to get along with people here | 17:54 |
| matjazp | ianychoi: don't think so... we should just ask infra team | 17:54 |
| ianychoi | In this case, incorporating "openstack" bot into the channel will be the right choice? | 17:54 |
| ildikov | but that's not for Barcelona, that's too close to have this covered | 17:55 |
| ianychoi | I think upunbot is not openstack-infra's result.. | 17:55 |
| ianychoi | I remember that the eavesdrop HTML results from upunbot was not eavesdrop.openstack.org | 17:56 |
| matjazp | hmm.. anyone wants to investigate this? | 17:56 |
| * ildikov is not a bot specialist | 17:56 | |
| ianychoi | Hmm.... Me will investigate this :) | 17:56 |
| matjazp | #action ianychoi looks into bot for #upstream-university channel | 17:56 |
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| matjazp | move to aob? | 17:57 |
| ildikov | thanks ianychoi! :) | 17:57 |
| ianychoi | ildikov, it's my pleasure :) | 17:57 |
| ianychoi | Okay | 17:57 |
| matjazp | #topic any other business | 17:57 |
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| ildikov | if everyone has an idea on what to work on tomorrow, then AOB is fine with me :) | 17:57 |
| matjazp | anything else? | 17:57 |
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| matjazp | ildikov: etherpad is the source of the truth ;) | 17:57 |
| ianychoi | By the way, matjazp , will you attend all of four days on Summit? | 17:58 |
| ildikov | matjazp: +1 :) | 17:58 |
| matjazp | ianychoi: I'll try to, but don't know yet.. it's in the middle of the semester | 17:58 |
| ianychoi | I definitely wanted to go to Barcelona, but unfortunately my two presentation submissions were not selected. | 17:58 |
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| matjazp | ok, I guess that's it for tonight | 17:59 |
| matjazp | thanks for your time | 17:59 |
| matjazp | see you around | 17:59 |
| ildikov | thanks guys | 17:59 |
| matjazp | bye! | 17:59 |
| ianychoi | So I am not still sure whether I can go to Barcelona, but I would like to help upstream training as much as possible | 17:59 |
| ianychoi | Thank you all! | 18:00 |
| matjazp | #endmeeting | 18:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Sep 5 18:00:08 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_guides/2016/training_guides.2016-09-05-17.00.html | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_guides/2016/training_guides.2016-09-05-17.00.txt | 18:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_guides/2016/training_guides.2016-09-05-17.00.log.html | 18:00 |
| ildikov | ianychoi: use that as a reason if you can! | 18:00 |
| ildikov | I mean to come to Barcelona | 18:00 |
| ianychoi | ildikov, :-) | 18:00 |
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