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| aspiers | morning | 08:00 |
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| aspiers | anyone around? | 08:03 |
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| aspiers | hi | 09:07 |
| aspiers | anyone around now? | 09:07 |
| samP | o/ | 09:08 |
| aspiers | if it's just us two, would it be OK to postpone by ~30 mins? | 09:08 |
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| samP | sure | 09:08 |
| aspiers | thanks :) | 09:09 |
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| samP | hi ddeja | 09:18 |
| ddeja | hi | 09:18 |
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| samP | pause the meeting till 6:30 | 09:19 |
| ddeja | samP: which time zone? | 09:19 |
| samP | lol... it will be 9:30 UTC | 09:20 |
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| samP | sorry | 09:20 |
| ddeja | oh, OK | 09:20 |
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| ddeja | no problem ;) | 09:20 |
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| aspiers | #startmeeting ha | 09:33 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Aug 29 09:33:10 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is aspiers. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 09:33 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 09:33 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ha)" | 09:33 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ha' | 09:33 |
| aspiers | hi | 09:33 |
| samP | hi | 09:33 |
| aspiers | samP: so welcome back :) | 09:33 |
| samP | sorry for the absent | 09:33 |
| aspiers | no problem | 09:33 |
| aspiers | I have been away a lot recently too | 09:34 |
| ddeja | hi | 09:34 |
| aspiers | #topic Current status (progress, issues, roadblocks, further plans) | 09:34 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Current status (progress, issues, roadblocks, further plans) (Meeting topic: ha)" | 09:34 | |
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| ddeja | My status: starting two weeks vacation today, I'll not attend next meeting ;) | 09:35 |
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| aspiers | so I don't have much to report | 09:35 |
| aspiers | ddeja: nice :) | 09:35 |
| aspiers | I think we should agree what to do about the open spec review | 09:35 |
| samP | ddeja: have a great vac | 09:35 |
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| aspiers | does anyone want to report anything before we talk about the spec? | 09:36 |
| ddeja | aspiers, samP thanks. Rather then that I was doint internal job | 09:36 |
| samP | I have to share info from PWG-mid and ops | 09:36 |
| aspiers | samP: oh yeah, of course! | 09:36 |
| samP | aspiers: is it now or later? | 09:36 |
| aspiers | please share now | 09:37 |
| samP | ok then, let me start with PWG-mid-cycle | 09:37 |
| samP | here is the etherpad | 09:37 |
| samP | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/PWG_Newton_Midcycle | 09:37 |
| aspiers | thanks | 09:37 |
| samP | Pete@suse was there and he was start the topic for VMHA | 09:37 |
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| samP | it start from line 67 in above etherpad | 09:38 |
| aspiers | yes, Pete sent that to me | 09:38 |
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| samP | ok then, we have to do five thing before summit | 09:39 |
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| samP | (1) finish the specs | 09:39 |
| samP | (2) start to contact with related PTLs or persons in other project | 09:39 |
| samP | (3) engage with nova community with dicussions about scheduler and capabillities | 09:40 |
| samP | There was discussion about how to test VMHA | 09:40 |
| samP | This may be a long term issue, but we have discuss this with QA team | 09:41 |
| aspiers | agreed | 09:41 |
| samP | those are the suggestions form PWG team | 09:42 |
| aspiers | #info samP and pchadwick attended PWG / ops mid-cycle where VM HA user story was discussed | 09:42 |
| aspiers | so my question about specs was whether we should have a draft/ folder | 09:42 |
| aspiers | since it seems wrong to merge specs into approved/ when there are still FIXMEs | 09:43 |
| samP | aspiers: you mean, do we need them to move to other folder to mark them as "done"? | 09:43 |
| ddeja | aspiers: I think draft directory woudl be fine | 09:44 |
| aspiers | samP: right - I mean initially merge into draft/ and then when they are finished, move to accepted/ | 09:44 |
| aspiers | or approved/ | 09:44 |
| aspiers | I can't remember which :) | 09:44 |
| aspiers | then we can have multiple reviews modifying the same spec, which is better for keeping reviews small and easy to track | 09:45 |
| aspiers | if you agree, I can make that change to the current review, and then merge it | 09:45 |
| ddeja | +1 | 09:46 |
| samP | +1 ok with me | 09:46 |
| aspiers | cool, thanks | 09:46 |
| aspiers | I will start another spec this week too | 09:46 |
| aspiers | since finally I caught up with vacation backlog and do not have too many other commitments | 09:46 |
| samP | I think I have add some info to that spec | 09:46 |
| samP | smt about libvirt events | 09:47 |
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| ddeja | samP: that would be useful | 09:47 |
| samP | ok, I will do it. event you merge it, I can submit a new patch for it | 09:48 |
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| aspiers | yep | 09:48 |
| samP | ok then. | 09:48 |
| aspiers | I added some URLs in my last comment | 09:48 |
| aspiers | we can link to those from the spec | 09:48 |
| aspiers | I can do that, but if you have more info about events, feel free to share it also | 09:48 |
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| samP | aspiers: I may have some info about events, which events are usefull and why. I will add them | 09:49 |
| aspiers | cool | 09:49 |
| aspiers | #action aspiers to modify VM monitoring spec so that it goes in draft/, and then merge it | 09:50 |
| aspiers | #action samP to provide more info about VM monitoring events | 09:50 |
| aspiers | #action aspiers to start another spec | 09:50 |
| aspiers | #topic Barcelona | 09:50 |
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| aspiers | so our talk did not get accepted :-( | 09:51 |
| aspiers | it seems that something significantly changed with the process for accepting talks this time | 09:51 |
| aspiers | normally SUSE gets 15-20 talks accepted, but this time only ~5 | 09:51 |
| samP | did we submit it on "project updates" track? | 09:51 |
| aspiers | yes maybe, I can't remember | 09:51 |
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| ddeja | aspiers: similar in my team, not many presentation in comparison to Austin | 09:52 |
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| aspiers | weird | 09:52 |
| ddeja | maybe 4 days vs 5 dyas | 09:52 |
| samP | yeh.. as I remember.. we put it in project updates.. only 10+ talks are accepted | 09:52 |
| aspiers | samP: hmm, that was a mistake then I guess :-( | 09:52 |
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| aspiers | so I cannot guarantee to be in Barcelona, but there is still a good chance I hope | 09:53 |
| ddeja | nevertheless, we still have to evangelise people | 09:53 |
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| ddeja | last week I talked with ptl of Vitrage project, he isreally insterested in colaboration with us | 09:54 |
| aspiers | cool | 09:54 |
| samP | great | 09:54 |
| ddeja | so I hope to meet with him in Barcelona | 09:54 |
| aspiers | in case anyone is reading the logs of this meeting, the VM monitoring spec is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/352217/ | 09:54 |
| aspiers | samP: I think you need to review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/310510/ | 09:55 |
| aspiers | proposal for a new maintenance field in nova | 09:55 |
| samP | aspiers: yes, I will | 09:55 |
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| aspiers | ok, any other topics? | 09:56 |
| samP | aspiers: thank for info | 09:56 |
| aspiers | samP: welcome :) | 09:56 |
| ddeja | aspiers: nothing from my side | 09:56 |
| aspiers | ok, so we can close I guess | 09:56 |
| aspiers | ddeja: hope you have a great break! | 09:56 |
| ddeja | aspiers: thanks :) | 09:57 |
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| aspiers | samP: I should be around on #openstack-ha this week if we need to discuss specs | 09:57 |
| samP | aspiers: that would be great.. | 09:57 |
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| aspiers | ok, thanks guys | 09:58 |
| aspiers | see you around :) | 09:58 |
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| samP | ok then, ddeja: have a nice vac | 09:58 |
| samP | thank you all | 09:58 |
| ddeja | bye | 09:59 |
| aspiers | #endmeeting | 09:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Aug 29 09:59:09 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 09:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ha/2016/ha.2016-08-29-09.33.html | 09:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ha/2016/ha.2016-08-29-09.33.txt | 09:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ha/2016/ha.2016-08-29-09.33.log.html | 09:59 |
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| andreykurilin__ | hi all | 14:02 |
| andreykurilin__ | #startmeeting | 14:03 |
| openstack | andreykurilin__: Error: A meeting name is required, e.g., '#startmeeting Marketing Committee' | 14:03 |
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| andreykurilin__ | #startmeeting Rally | 14:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Aug 29 14:03:14 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is andreykurilin__. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:03 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'rally' | 14:03 |
| andreykurilin__ | We have empty agenda and I have no interesting stuff to discuss too | 14:03 |
| andreykurilin__ | Does anybody want to discuss something? | 14:03 |
| amaretskiy | nothing from me | 14:04 |
| rvasilets__ | Nothing interesting) | 14:04 |
| astarove | no? thanks | 14:04 |
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| astarove | no, thanks | 14:04 |
| amaretskiy | one small question | 14:04 |
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| amaretskiy | next release number - ? | 14:04 |
| amaretskiy | 0.6.0 ? | 14:05 |
| rvasilets__ | and when it will be) | 14:05 |
| andreykurilin__ | amaretskiy: yes, 0.6.0 | 14:05 |
| amaretskiy | and how we can announce next release number to get it at any time? | 14:05 |
| amaretskiy | maybe docs ? | 14:05 |
| andreykurilin__ | amaretskiy: we have outdated google doc | 14:05 |
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| andreykurilin__ | with release dates | 14:06 |
| andreykurilin__ | I'll update it soon | 14:06 |
| amaretskiy | ok | 14:06 |
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| andreykurilin__ | the current policy: 0.x.0 | 14:06 |
| amaretskiy | does anyone can easily find this doc? | 14:06 |
| andreykurilin__ | yes | 14:06 |
| amaretskiy | ok | 14:06 |
| andreykurilin__ | amaretskiy: you can find it in subject of #openstack-rally | 14:07 |
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| andreykurilin__ | rvasilets__: I'll start writing release notes tomorrow | 14:07 |
| rvasilets__ | Is there any required patches except yours?) | 14:08 |
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| andreykurilin__ | lol | 14:08 |
| andreykurilin__ | no | 14:08 |
| andreykurilin__ | ) | 14:08 |
| andreykurilin__ | just https://review.openstack.org/#/c/361273/ | 14:08 |
| rvasilets__ | )) | 14:08 |
| andreykurilin__ | it fixes bug | 14:08 |
| rvasilets__ | Okey | 14:08 |
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| andreykurilin__ | and I do not know any other patches which fixes Medium/High/Critical bugs | 14:08 |
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| andreykurilin__ | If you have any, please let me know | 14:09 |
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| rvasilets__ | admin_domian_name remove | 14:09 |
| andreykurilin__ | rvasilets__: it is not a bug with high priority, it just removes redundant variable | 14:10 |
| rvasilets__ | And I saw some derecated args in our scenario. We could remove them quickly) | 14:10 |
| andreykurilin__ | rvasilets__: I'm ok about such patches | 14:10 |
| andreykurilin__ | but they are not blockers | 14:10 |
| rvasilets__ | Okey | 14:10 |
| rvasilets__ | Nothing else | 14:10 |
| rvasilets__ | Agree | 14:10 |
| andreykurilin__ | ok, let's finish if there is no more topics to discuss | 14:11 |
| andreykurilin__ | thanks, folks | 14:11 |
| andreykurilin__ | #endmeeting | 14:11 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Aug 29 14:11:19 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:11 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2016/rally.2016-08-29-14.03.html | 14:11 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2016/rally.2016-08-29-14.03.txt | 14:11 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2016/rally.2016-08-29-14.03.log.html | 14:11 |
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| anteaya | #startmeeting third-party | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Aug 29 15:00:18 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is anteaya. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
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| lennyb | hi | 15:00 |
| wznoinsk | hi | 15:00 |
| anteaya | hello | 15:00 |
| anteaya | lennyb, wznoinsk how are you today? | 15:01 |
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| mmedvede | o/ | 15:01 |
| anteaya | hello mmedvede | 15:01 |
| eantyshev | o/ | 15:01 |
| anteaya | and eantyshev | 15:01 |
| lennyb | back from vacation ( pool, beer and kids :) ) | 15:01 |
| anteaya | lennyb: congratulations | 15:01 |
| anteaya | and welcome back | 15:01 |
| anteaya | hope you had a nice vacation :) | 15:01 |
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| lennyb | thanks. it's a definitely less noisy here :) | 15:02 |
| anteaya | ha ha ha | 15:02 |
| wznoinsk | busy here, getting ready to create an ironic-based CI for SRIOV and PCI passthru | 15:02 |
| anteaya | wznoinsk: nice | 15:02 |
| lennyb | wznoinsk, great | 15:02 |
| anteaya | wznoinsk: did you want to talk about that a little bit? | 15:02 |
| wznoinsk | I figure out things as I go along, no questions atm | 15:02 |
| anteaya | and do others have topics they want to discuss today after wznoinsk talks about the ironic ci? | 15:03 |
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| wznoinsk | would infra look at baremetal based CI/container maybe? | 15:03 |
| anteaya | wznoinsk: okay great, do you feel comfortable if we tell other ironic ci operators to ping you? | 15:03 |
| eantyshev | I have one question on Gearman plugin for Jenkins | 15:03 |
| anteaya | wznoinsk: infra will look at anything | 15:03 |
| eantyshev | it doesn't register jobs for new slaves | 15:03 |
| anteaya | the issue with baremetal is that infra has no access to the machines | 15:03 |
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| anteaya | wznoinsk: but if you want to raise a discussion the best is to include a topic on the infra meeting agenda | 15:04 |
| anteaya | eantyshev: great thank you, you can be up next | 15:04 |
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| wznoinsk | anteaya: ok, would containers from cloud providers be any option do you think? I guess these containers will be still inside more beefy VMs so may not be a good choice | 15:05 |
| anteaya | wznoinsk: if you do so tomorrow you can evaluate if there is enough interest to have a discussion at the summit about it | 15:05 |
| anteaya | wznoinsk: it depends on the implimentation | 15:05 |
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| anteaya | so once we get past the fanfare of containers we have to look at access and build requirements and so on | 15:05 |
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| wznoinsk | anteaya: sure, would OSIC be any better in access to baremetal than other lcoud providers? | 15:06 |
| anteaya | I have no idea | 15:06 |
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| wznoinsk | I'll talk to infra guys on meeting then | 15:07 |
| wznoinsk | thanks | 15:07 |
| anteaya | I would suggest adding an item to tomorrow's infra meeting | 15:07 |
| anteaya | well people | 15:07 |
| anteaya | as I consider myself part of the infra team as well | 15:07 |
| asselin_ | o/ | 15:07 |
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| anteaya | hello asselin_ | 15:08 |
| anteaya | so anymore on wznoinsk's topics, ironic ci and baremetal/containers in infra? | 15:08 |
| anteaya | or shall we move on to eantyshev's topic, gearman plugin failing to register jobs | 15:09 |
| anteaya | eantyshev: looks like you are up | 15:09 |
| eantyshev | my first guess is that gearman plugin version, zuul and nodepool and jjb versions (gearman 0.1.1, nodepool 0.3.0, zuul 2.5.1, jjb 1.6.1) | 15:09 |
| eantyshev | is anything wrong with them? | 15:09 |
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| asselin_ | which version of jenkins? | 15:09 |
| eantyshev | asselin_: 2.7.2 | 15:10 |
| asselin_ | that's probably the problem... 1.651.1 | 15:11 |
| asselin_ | is the last one known to work. | 15:11 |
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| eantyshev | asselin_: I wonder how I got 2.7.2 while using puppets | 15:11 |
| anteaya | well infra isn't using jenkins anymore | 15:12 |
| anteaya | and the puppets probably pull in latest | 15:12 |
| anteaya | unless told not to | 15:12 |
| asselin_ | eantyshev, puppet installs the latest.... | 15:12 |
| anteaya | so infra wouldn't have caught this issue | 15:12 |
| asselin_ | eantyshev, there's a need to update openstack-infra/puppet-jenkins to allow pinning to a version. I don't think there's a patch proposed to do that. | 15:13 |
| anteaya | I think a patch would be welcome | 15:13 |
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| eantyshev | asselin_: afraid so, I'll dig into this | 15:13 |
| anteaya | also if you want to post to the infra mailing list about it, so other folks using jenkins can be aware | 15:14 |
| anteaya | and reminded that infra isn't using jenkins anymore | 15:14 |
| anteaya | we want folks to be able to use the puppet module | 15:14 |
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| anteaya | we just aren't anymore | 15:14 |
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| anteaya | any more discussion on this topic? | 15:15 |
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| eantyshev | anteaya: but 3rd party CIs have no other options? | 15:15 |
| anteaya | eantyshev: well they have other options, but many will still be using jenkins | 15:15 |
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| asselin_ | actually, looks like something merged: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/354086/ | 15:15 |
| anteaya | so having a puppet module third party cis can use is of interest to infra, yes | 15:16 |
| anteaya | oh thank you asselin_ | 15:16 |
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| eantyshev | asselin_: thanks a lot! | 15:16 |
| anteaya | wonderful | 15:16 |
| asselin_ | with that we can update puppet-openstackci to pin it. eantyshev want to propose that? | 15:16 |
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| eantyshev | asselin_: I'll do | 15:17 |
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| anteaya | thank you | 15:17 |
| eantyshev | just check in my environment how this works | 15:17 |
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| anteaya | any more here? | 15:18 |
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| eantyshev | nope | 15:18 |
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| anteaya | thank you for bringing up the topic, eantyshev | 15:18 |
| anteaya | does anyone have any other topic they wish to discuss? | 15:19 |
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| anteaya | does anyone have any objection to me closing the meeting? | 15:20 |
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| anteaya | thank you all for your kind attendance and participation | 15:20 |
| asselin_ | no objectins | 15:20 |
| anteaya | enjoy the rest of your day/evening | 15:21 |
| anteaya | thanks asselin_ | 15:21 |
| anteaya | see you all next week | 15:21 |
| anteaya | #endmeeting | 15:21 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Aug 29 15:21:13 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:21 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2016/third_party.2016-08-29-15.00.html | 15:21 |
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| lennyb | wznoinsk, regarding scripts to check your CI against the others, did you had time to check if you can share it ? | 15:23 |
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| ryanpetrello | #startmeeting astara | 18:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Aug 29 18:02:58 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ryanpetrello. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:02 |
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| ryanpetrello | mark_mcclain rods adam_g stuck in another meeting at this moment, not sure if you all have anything | 18:03 |
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| markmcclain | ryanpetrello: I've got nothing to add this week | 18:04 |
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| ryanpetrello | okey-doke, nothing from me either | 18:06 |
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| craigs | #startmeeting App_Ecosystem_Workgroup | 22:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Aug 29 22:00:13 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is craigs. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 22:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 22:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: App_Ecosystem_Workgroup)" | 22:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'app_ecosystem_workgroup' | 22:00 |
| Patifa | hey! | 22:00 |
| Patifa | agenda for today: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/2016_Aug_29_App_Ecosystem_Workgroup | 22:01 |
| dfflanders | hello world | 22:01 |
| docaedo | hello there! | 22:01 |
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| Patifa | Mike wont be able to join us today, so craigs will lead. | 22:02 |
| craigs | Do I have the right name? I was looking for previous meeting minutess | 22:02 |
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| Patifa | app_ecosystem_wg | 22:03 |
| craigs | Sorry closing this and restarting | 22:03 |
| craigs | #endmeeting | 22:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 22:03 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Aug 29 22:03:53 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:03 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/app_ecosystem_workgroup/2016/app_ecosystem_workgroup.2016-08-29-22.00.html | 22:03 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/app_ecosystem_workgroup/2016/app_ecosystem_workgroup.2016-08-29-22.00.txt | 22:03 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/app_ecosystem_workgroup/2016/app_ecosystem_workgroup.2016-08-29-22.00.log.html | 22:03 |
| Patifa | Hi again | 22:04 |
| craigs | #startmeeting app_ecosystem_wg | 22:04 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Aug 29 22:04:14 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is craigs. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 22:04 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 22:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: app_ecosystem_wg)" | 22:04 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'app_ecosystem_wg' | 22:04 |
| craigs | Agenda can be found on our etherpad | 22:04 |
| Patifa | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/2016_Aug_29_App_Ecosystem_Workgroup | 22:04 |
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| craigs | #chair Patifa | 22:04 |
| openstack | Current chairs: Patifa craigs | 22:04 |
| shamail | o/ | 22:04 |
| Patifa | #link Agenda https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/2016_Aug_29_App_Ecosystem_Workgroup | 22:04 |
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| craigs | #topic rollcall | 22:05 |
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| craigs | Craig S | 22:05 |
| CarolBarrett | Here! | 22:05 |
| shamail | here (only for the first 15 minutes unfortunately) | 22:05 |
| Patifa | here! | 22:06 |
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| docaedo | here as well! | 22:06 |
| craigs | OK, lets get started then, shamail have any topics you need to get to before you go? | 22:06 |
| vhdiaz | zuuuup! | 22:06 |
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| shamail | Thanks, just a quick update on the ISV sub-group thread. | 22:06 |
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| craigs | OK, #topic ISV sub-group update | 22:07 |
| dfflanders | Flanders here :) | 22:07 |
| craigs | #topic ISV sub-group update | 22:07 |
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| shamail | I had an action item to send an email to the user committee about bringing the ISV team under App Ecosystem. I did not do it last week due to the OpenStack events in NYC. I will send an email this week so we can get community feedback before asking for the topic in the next team meeting. | 22:08 |
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| shamail | I apologize for the delay. | 22:08 |
| craigs | No problem | 22:08 |
| craigs | #action shamail Send email to user comittee about bringing the ISV team under App Ecosystem | 22:08 |
| craigs | #topic Next weeks meeting | 22:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Next weeks meeting (Meeting topic: app_ecosystem_wg)" | 22:09 | |
| shamail | Thanks craigs, once we get feedback, I will contact Patifa and yourself to add the topic to an upcoming meeting. | 22:09 |
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| craigs | Next weeks meeting is labor day here in the US | 22:09 |
| craigs | We have a doodle poll where you can choose other date/times that may work | 22:09 |
| craigs | #link http://doodle.com/poll/vszm9zk3z56ayef9 | 22:09 |
| shamail | link please? | 22:10 |
| shamail | :D | 22:10 |
| craigs | Please fill out your options and we will send out an updated meeting date/time later in the week | 22:10 |
| craigs | #topic Guadalajara App Hackathon | 22:11 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Guadalajara App Hackathon (Meeting topic: app_ecosystem_wg)" | 22:11 | |
| dfflanders | many of us will be at the hackathon at that time, so apologies if the meeting does get rescheduled. | 22:11 |
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| craigs | Wow it's next week | 22:11 |
| craigs | lost track of time | 22:11 |
| Patifa | Caribbean does that to ppl | 22:12 |
| craigs | LOL yep | 22:12 |
| vhdiaz | \o/ | 22:12 |
| * dfflanders so jelly | 22:12 | |
| shamail | Lol | 22:12 |
| craigs | Any updates Victor or Marcela? | 22:12 |
| dfflanders | I suspect they are busy as we speak getting ready ;-) | 22:13 |
| Patifa | Here's the latest rev on the attendees survey: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/GDCHackathon-research-survey | 22:13 |
| Patifa | dfflanders I need the actual options for question 5 | 22:13 |
| Patifa | from the original survey used in the Taiwan hackathon? | 22:14 |
| * dfflanders looking at now... | 22:14 | |
| Patifa | great.. I also added a question about the org size. although I think most ppl are going to be independent workers - aka students | 22:15 |
| Patifa | line 28 | 22:15 |
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| vhdiaz | status: green | 22:17 |
| vhdiaz | still pending to close the agenda and some details | 22:17 |
| vhdiaz | but the event looks great so far | 22:17 |
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| craigs | excellent, anything else for the topic? | 22:17 |
| Patifa | Also on line 61 - do we want to point to Piet's survey? I can take the action of asking him. | 22:17 |
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| vhdiaz | When are you arriving @flanders? | 22:18 |
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| craigs | I'm OK with pointing to Piets survey | 22:18 |
| dfflanders | Patifa, yes closing the comms loop between you, Piet and Michael Jenkins a la #CloudAppHack-WG would be good, also timings for when the survey is going to take place is important via vicdiaz | 22:18 |
| Patifa | The other issue is the mentors focus group. HEre's the last version of the script: #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/GDCHackathon-research-focusgroup-mentors | 22:19 |
| Patifa | dfflanders we have a meeting scheduled this week :D | 22:19 |
| * docaedo has to step out, but promises to read backscroll and hopes all the action items don't get assigned to him while away :p | 22:19 | |
| dfflanders | FTW :) | 22:19 |
| vhdiaz | pls invite me | 22:19 |
| Patifa | sure! | 22:19 |
| Patifa | #action Patifa to invite vhdiaz to Hackathon research meeting | 22:19 |
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| dfflanders | So there are three "information collection" points which will take place with participants? Survey, panel and another survey? | 22:20 |
| Patifa | For the mentors focus groups I | 22:20 |
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| Patifa | I'm worried about recruiting... and the moderation | 22:20 |
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| Patifa | vhdiaz is Danny confirmed? | 22:20 |
| Patifa | to moderate? | 22:20 |
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| craigs | Victor? | 22:22 |
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| Patifa | I can take it offline with him. | 22:22 |
| craigs | #action Patifa to followup with Victor and check on Danny availability | 22:23 |
| craigs | #topic Barcelona | 22:23 |
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| craigs | Do we have the WG session or BoF confirmed yet? | 22:23 |
| Patifa | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/App_Ecosystem_Workgroup-Barcelona_sessions | 22:24 |
| Patifa | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/App_Ecosystem_Workgroup-Barcelona_sessions | 22:24 |
| CarolBarrett | I haven't seen a call for these from the Foundation team yet - expect it any time now | 22:24 |
| craigs | OK, good we can still try and get these scheduled then. | 22:25 |
| dfflanders | eek not good that no application catalogue sessions are going ahead? | 22:25 |
| dfflanders | we should get an action for docaedo to chat with the foundation about this as not having people aware of the app catalogue is a problem :/ | 22:26 |
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| Patifa | I agree. how do we go about that? | 22:27 |
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| dfflanders | I'd post something on the user-committee mailing list in the first instance and perhaps the dev mailing list as well to see what people want the future of the app catalogue to be | 22:28 |
| craigs | #action docaedo See Flanders messages about the App Catalog and the fact the talks did not get approved | 22:28 |
| dfflanders | I know Chris is moving some of the features over to Glance project, so maybe it is being covered in one of those presentations or design summits? | 22:28 |
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| dfflanders | Aslo re vicdiaz and marcella presentation on the hackathon, I believe we can host them in the Foundation staff lounge so people can come and learn about how to apply to run a hackathon... more anon. | 22:30 |
| dfflanders | I'm getting this setup as more hackathons cometh! | 22:30 |
| craigs | Will there be a meeting for the hackathon WG? | 22:30 |
| dfflanders | question for Michael Jenkins and Gonzalo as co-chairs of that WG. | 22:31 |
| craigs | Michaels paper also did not get approved so he may not be attending | 22:31 |
| Patifa | :( | 22:31 |
| craigs | Anybody else attending, update your status on the etherpad so we can get an idea of how many App Eco people will be there | 22:32 |
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| craigs | Also what about the OpenStack Academy AppDev Lounge bullet? | 22:32 |
| Patifa | dfflanders | 22:33 |
| craigs | Are we going to do anything there? If so we should setup a meeting to discuss it and get a better idea of what we are committing to | 22:34 |
| dfflanders | Yes, details of the AppDev lounge / training space and self-paced labs area is still being confirmed. | 22:34 |
| vhdiaz | pls let us know! | 22:34 |
| dfflanders | There are shuffling space still, as soon as I know you will know. | 22:34 |
| vhdiaz | excellent! | 22:34 |
| Patifa | ok. Let me know when to bring this up on the agenda | 22:34 |
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| dfflanders | keep it weekly ;-) | 22:35 |
| dfflanders | keeps me vigilant :) | 22:35 |
| Patifa | deal | 22:35 |
| vhdiaz | haha | 22:35 |
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| craigs | What about the App Dev Cheat Sheet | 22:35 |
| craigs | I'm not sure what that is about (you would think I would have read the notes on a beach but I didn't) | 22:36 |
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| Patifa | The doodle is not getting a lot of traction - to define the outline | 22:36 |
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| craigs | Is this something we plan on delivering at Barcelona, and what format? | 22:38 |
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| Patifa | I'm the only reply so far. I'll keep working on an outline and sent it to the list to see if we get better responses | 22:38 |
| craigs | If anybody wants to attend and help define it, please sign up on the doodle for a time you can meet | 22:39 |
| craigs | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/appdev-summit-cheat-sheet-barcelona | 22:39 |
| craigs | #link http://doodle.com/poll/69uzxy2rsh2ryvh9 | 22:39 |
| dfflanders | I would think it could be an extended (special) agenda item for one of these meetings, as all of us need to know what is going on accross the summit re appdev | 22:39 |
| dfflanders | irc and/or voice. /2p | 22:39 |
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| Patifa | sure | 22:40 |
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| craigs | The only other item under Barcelona is the pre-meeting but I think we can delay that until we find out who all is coming and when | 22:41 |
| craigs | #topic AppDev User Study | 22:41 |
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| Patifa | uxdanielle any updates? | 22:42 |
| dfflanders | when is the last one of these meetings before the summit? Perhaps we could utilise it for some pre-planning? | 22:42 |
| Patifa | October 17 | 22:43 |
| dfflanders | have an extended voice meeting to go through proposed agenda/workpackages, etc. - might be worth having this meeting with ISV and CloudAppHack WGs to try and circle the wagons? | 22:43 |
| Patifa | Shoul we start sooner? | 22:43 |
| dfflanders | ^^thinking out loud | 22:43 |
| craigs | Sounds good, maybe 2 weeks before just in case | 22:43 |
| Patifa | Yep. | 22:43 |
| dfflanders | Perhaps circulate on the user-committee mailing list for discussion\ | 22:43 |
| dfflanders | ? | 22:43 |
| Patifa | sounds like a plan | 22:44 |
| dfflanders | I think we need to be more vocal on the mailing list and it will attract people back into the meetings. | 22:44 |
| dfflanders | I've got a couple of emails in draft to the mailing list on this topic for all WGs so stay tuned ;-) | 22:44 |
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| craigs | Anything else for Barcelona, or move on to UX study | 22:45 |
| dfflanders | timecheck: t-minus 15min | 22:45 |
| Patifa | #action Patifa to schedule summit pre-planning - engage with ISV and CloudAppHack WG | 22:46 |
| craigs | Last I heard on the AppDev study is they are still looking for one more participant | 22:46 |
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| Patifa | I have not heard from them in a while. | 22:46 |
| craigs | #topic Firstapp | 22:47 |
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| craigs | I have not made any further progress on Heat firstapp, I am still mostly done, just have autoscaling to go, and then need to figure out how to publish it since a good part of the hardcoded body text in firstapp is SDK specific | 22:47 |
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| Patifa | is how to publish it is your real issue at the moment? | 22:48 |
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| Patifa | or rather, biggest issue | 22:48 |
| dfflanders | have you had a chance to what other automation/orchestration dev think of your heat lesson? Esp Ansible, Puppet, Salt people <-- might be good feedback and encourage them to do similar? | 22:49 |
| craigs | It's a big issue, I haven't asked the docs group to see if they have any suggestions yet since I was still writing it, but I will do that this week | 22:49 |
| craigs | No I haven't, if you have any contacts let me know | 22:49 |
| Patifa | dfflanders any suggestions about where/how publish it? | 22:50 |
| dfflanders | One of the fundamental questions I have (to be discussed anon) is if we don't need another usability study around AppDev and which orchestration/configuration language they would prefer...heat, ansible, salt, k8s, etc. | 22:50 |
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| dfflanders | Patifa, standard git commit approval process. | 22:50 |
| craigs | I kind of agree, but we often get big pushback when we are looking at non-OpenStack components | 22:51 |
| dfflanders | I hear you. | 22:51 |
| craigs | The FirstApp doc has been structured differently, most of the text is hardcoded, and only the code blocks change between SDK's. Heat really requires me to edit the hardcoded text in addition to code blocks. I also need to add an additional section to the firstapp doc | 22:52 |
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| craigs | So the changes are pretty significant | 22:53 |
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| Patifa | I agree we should get data arounf AppDev preferred orchestation/lenguage | 22:54 |
| craigs | #action craigs Contact Docs group and find out how to publish the heat firstapp with all of the changes necessary | 22:54 |
| dfflanders | timehcheck: t-minus 5min. | 22:55 |
| Patifa | Might shed a light of what we want to focus on in the future.. and support the decision to look beyond openstack components | 22:55 |
| craigs | Any Opens from anybody? | 22:55 |
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| craigs | #topic Opens | 22:55 |
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| dfflanders | I'll be incognito for a fortnight in build up to hackathon. | 22:56 |
| Patifa | ok. | 22:56 |
| craigs | If nothing else we can close a few minutes early | 22:57 |
| craigs | Thanks all for attending | 22:57 |
| craigs | #endmeeting | 22:57 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Aug 29 22:57:32 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:57 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/app_ecosystem_wg/2016/app_ecosystem_wg.2016-08-29-22.04.html | 22:57 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/app_ecosystem_wg/2016/app_ecosystem_wg.2016-08-29-22.04.txt | 22:57 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/app_ecosystem_wg/2016/app_ecosystem_wg.2016-08-29-22.04.log.html | 22:57 |
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