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aspiers | HA meeting is now, right? just checking :) | 08:59 |
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ddeja | yes, it is | 09:00 |
aspiers | #startmeeting ha | 09:00 |
openstack | Meeting started Mon Aug 22 09:00:16 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is aspiers. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 09:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 09:00 |
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ha)" | 09:00 | |
openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ha' | 09:00 |
ddeja | o/ | 09:00 |
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aspiers | hi all | 09:01 |
aspiers | haukebruno: are you joining us? :) | 09:01 |
aspiers | please bear with me if I am slow this morning - just got back from vacation, and also on another conference call at the same time :) | 09:02 |
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ddeja | no problem aspiers | 09:02 |
aspiers | I guess other people are on vacation - I saw there was no meeting last week (but thanks ddeja for being there anyway ;-) | 09:02 |
ddeja | aspiers: yup. No move from NTT guys last week. | 09:02 |
aspiers | ok | 09:03 |
aspiers | maybe the same this week | 09:03 |
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aspiers | that's fine | 09:03 |
aspiers | my main focus will be the specs | 09:03 |
aspiers | I think it should get easier now we have almost finished the first one | 09:03 |
ddeja | agree | 09:04 |
ddeja | This week I'll focus on last commit's to mistral, since it is following the N-releasing, so there is not much time | 09:04 |
ddeja | and for spec we can work on it till Barcelona, right? | 09:05 |
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aspiers | yes | 09:05 |
aspiers | I think it's pretty important that we have several specs finished before Barcelona | 09:05 |
ddeja | that's very good :) | 09:05 |
aspiers | and ideally some code too ... | 09:05 |
ddeja | totaly agree, starting September I can start working on it | 09:05 |
aspiers | cool! | 09:05 |
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ddeja | well, I'll be on vacation, so it will be 10th of September when I can start work on it ;) | 09:06 |
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aspiers | ah ok :) | 09:06 |
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ddeja | aspiers: do you know how many time we have for the docs? | 09:07 |
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ddeja | I was hoping that beekhof would show today | 09:08 |
aspiers | which bit of the docs do you mean? | 09:08 |
ddeja | I mean the HA docs | 09:08 |
ddeja | if they also have freeze on N-3? | 09:08 |
aspiers | ohhh | 09:08 |
aspiers | I see. I'm not sure | 09:08 |
aspiers | Hmm, that's a good question | 09:09 |
ddeja | and also I wanted to ask how the work is going on it | 09:09 |
aspiers | I haven't had any time for it yet | 09:09 |
ddeja | if Andrew wants some help, or something | 09:09 |
aspiers | but yes it's important we at least add some basic info re. compute HA in there | 09:09 |
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aspiers | e.g. a link to our talk | 09:09 |
ddeja | and a short summary | 09:09 |
aspiers | right | 09:09 |
ddeja | will you ask Andrew about it? | 09:10 |
aspiers | sure | 09:10 |
ddeja | thanks :) | 09:10 |
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ddeja | please let me know if any help is needed. It's one of the things I told my boss that will be done in Newton cycle ;) | 09:11 |
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aspiers | ok, well I don't think anything started yet so I'm sure reviews are very welcome :) | 09:12 |
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ddeja | sure | 09:12 |
ddeja | but I can also start some work if there is noone else who can't start it | 09:13 |
haukebruno | aspiers, I joined now, sorry. went off for some meeting foo :/ | 09:14 |
aspiers | ddeja: that would be great I think | 09:14 |
aspiers | haukebruno: no problem, I am currently having 3 conversations at once ;-) | 09:14 |
aspiers | nice gentle welcome back after vacation 8-o | 09:14 |
ddeja | aspiers: OK, I'll write some draft tommorow and create first pull request | 09:15 |
aspiers | awesome thanks! | 09:15 |
aspiers | oh I just remembered, sampath is going to the NYC meetup | 09:16 |
aspiers | when is that? | 09:16 |
ddeja | tommorow | 09:16 |
ddeja | from what I found on the internet | 09:16 |
aspiers | ok | 09:17 |
aspiers | anything else? | 09:18 |
ddeja | I'm OK | 09:18 |
aspiers | I don't have anything else today | 09:18 |
aspiers | OK, let's finish early then :) | 09:18 |
aspiers | thanks! | 09:18 |
aspiers | #endmeeting | 09:18 |
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ddeja | thank you | 09:18 |
openstack | Meeting ended Mon Aug 22 09:18:56 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 09:18 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ha/2016/ha.2016-08-22-09.00.html | 09:19 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ha/2016/ha.2016-08-22-09.00.txt | 09:19 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ha/2016/ha.2016-08-22-09.00.log.html | 09:19 |
haukebruno | o/ | 09:19 |
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andreykurilin1 | #startmeeting Rally | 14:02 |
openstack | Meeting started Mon Aug 22 14:02:21 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is andreykurilin1. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:02 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:02 |
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Rally)" | 14:02 | |
openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'rally' | 14:02 |
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andreykurilin1 | o/ | 14:02 |
amaretskiy1 | o/ | 14:02 |
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rvasilets_ | o? | 14:03 |
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morourke | rvasilets_, it is supposed to look like a person waving to you | 14:04 |
andreykurilin1 | :) | 14:04 |
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andreykurilin1 | amaretskiy1: Have you finished writting agenda? | 14:05 |
andreykurilin1 | :) | 14:05 |
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rvasilets_ | morourke, its anothe smile with a bit bended hand=) | 14:05 |
amaretskiy1 | andreykurilin1: no, agenda will be updated in minutes | 14:05 |
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andreykurilin1 | let's wait several meenutes | 14:06 |
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andreykurilin1 | hm... | 14:08 |
andreykurilin1 | amaretskiy1: I think, we don't need agenda:) let's start without modefying wiki | 14:08 |
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andreykurilin1 | #topic [rvasilets] Work on Validator related stuff | 14:10 |
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andreykurilin1 | - Introducing of new Validator base depend on two patches https://review.openstack.org/#/c/297020/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/309883/ | 14:11 |
andreykurilin1 | I will maintain the second one but we need to move on review process on the first patch. As I understand we need to wait Boris review on DB refactoring | 14:11 |
rvasilets_ | typing | 14:11 |
andreykurilin1 | both two messages were copy-pasted from agenda:) | 14:11 |
andreykurilin1 | oh... | 14:12 |
andreykurilin1 | they are separate topics | 14:12 |
rvasilets_ | Its not a secret that I'm working on the new validators plugin base. I'm stopped on writting validation result into db. Why? - 1) https://review.openstack.org/#/c/297020/ it adds validation_result field into the Task model that I supposed to use 2) https://review.openstack.org/#/c/309883/ it changes task statuses that I also supposed to use | 14:12 |
rvasilets_ | So the time of introduction of new plugin basefor validators depend on this two patches | 14:13 |
rvasilets_ | first one should be merged by Boris | 14:13 |
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rvasilets_ | the second one I will maintain as was discussed with Boris | 14:13 |
andreykurilin1 | ok, let's make new release this week and merge https://review.openstack.org/#/c/297020/ after it(we will have time to fix it while working on new release) | 14:13 |
rvasilets_ | So I suggest to ping more Boris to review first patch) | 14:14 |
rvasilets_ | eom | 14:14 |
andreykurilin1 | actually I'm ok about 297020 | 14:14 |
rvasilets_ | Me too) | 14:14 |
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andreykurilin1 | and since it already has one +2, we can merge it with two more +2 (since it is big change) | 14:15 |
andreykurilin1 | let's do it right away after new release | 14:15 |
rvasilets_ | So will we cut new release and then merge new db schema? | 14:16 |
andreykurilin1 | yes | 14:16 |
rvasilets_ | Will the Иoris be the last who should merge that change? | 14:17 |
andreykurilin1 | it is not required:) it is opensource))) 3 votes from cores should be enough | 14:17 |
rvasilets_ | lol | 14:18 |
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amaretskiy1 | finally! | 14:18 |
andreykurilin1 | I hope boris-42 will not read my message | 14:18 |
andreykurilin1 | lol | 14:18 |
amaretskiy1 | ups... | 14:18 |
rvasilets_ | ))) | 14:18 |
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andreykurilin1 | anything else related to this topic& | 14:18 |
andreykurilin1 | ? | 14:18 |
rvasilets_ | No | 14:18 |
amaretskiy1 | nothing from me | 14:18 |
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andreykurilin1 | ok, let's move to the next one | 14:19 |
andreykurilin1 | #topic * [amaretskiy] There are proposals for renaming placeholders in HTML report: | 14:19 |
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amaretskiy1 | let's discuss each proposal separately | 14:19 |
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andreykurilin1 | 1) Scenario Data -> Workload Data | 14:19 |
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amaretskiy1 | votes? | 14:20 |
andreykurilin1 | I'm ok about this change | 14:20 |
amaretskiy1 | that's about our new term | 14:20 |
andreykurilin1 | yup | 14:20 |
amaretskiy1 | workload === scenario | 14:20 |
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rvasilets_ | thinking | 14:21 |
andreykurilin1 | amaretskiy1: please, share a link to glossary :) | 14:21 |
andreykurilin1 | it would be nice to have a link for meeting log | 14:21 |
rvasilets_ | okey, possibly yes | 14:22 |
rvasilets_ | http://rally.readthedocs.io/en/latest/glossary.html | 14:23 |
rvasilets_ | http://rally.readthedocs.io/en/latest/glossary.html#scenario | 14:23 |
amaretskiy1 | okay, so desicion is YES | 14:24 |
andreykurilin1 | we have broken links in our glossary ;( | 14:24 |
amaretskiy1 | *decision | 14:24 |
andreykurilin1 | http://rally.readthedocs.io/en/latest/glossary.html#workload is actually http://rally.readthedocs.io/en/latest/glossary.html#id3 | 14:24 |
andreykurilin1 | 2) Scenario -> Workload | 14:25 |
andreykurilin1 | the same | 14:25 |
andreykurilin1 | :) | 14:25 |
amaretskiy1 | give votes :) | 14:25 |
andreykurilin1 | + | 14:25 |
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rvasilets_ | + | 14:27 |
andreykurilin1 | 3) Task Overview -> Summary | 14:28 |
amaretskiy1 | tahat's about the table http://logs.openstack.org/66/358566/1/check/gate-rally-dsvm-rally/8f8bac7/rally-plot/results.html.gz#/ | 14:28 |
amaretskiy1 | *hat's | 14:28 |
amaretskiy1 | *that's | 14:28 |
amaretskiy1 | top left menu item | 14:29 |
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andreykurilin1 | hm.. | 14:29 |
andreykurilin1 | I'm not sure what label is the best | 14:29 |
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rvasilets_ | I'm for overview | 14:30 |
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amaretskiy1 | i'm not sure too | 14:30 |
amaretskiy1 | however let's consider that "task overview" is not correct | 14:30 |
andreykurilin1 | sure | 14:30 |
amaretskiy1 | because we can generate report from 100 tasks | 14:30 |
andreykurilin1 | let's raise this question at mailing-list | 14:30 |
amaretskiy1 | and json files | 14:30 |
rvasilets_ | Why? - google says that summary is a brief description. I guess this is not the best practice to use brief description at the top of report | 14:31 |
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rvasilets_ | Overview | 14:31 |
amaretskiy1 | is this change so important for mailing list? we can keep this as-is and ask boris-42 | 14:31 |
rvasilets_ | Report overview | 14:31 |
rvasilets_ | Tasks overview | 14:31 |
amaretskiy1 | "report" is redundant | 14:32 |
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amaretskiy1 | actually this table is not about tasks (and tasks) | 14:32 |
amaretskiy1 | this table is about workloads!!!! | 14:32 |
amaretskiy1 | each row is a summary for workload | 14:32 |
andreykurilin1 | maybe "worload overview" ? | 14:32 |
astarove | + | 14:32 |
amaretskiy1 | workloads overview looks better | 14:33 |
amaretskiy1 | workloadS | 14:33 |
rvasilets_ | Okey lets called for the times - Overview | 14:33 |
rvasilets_ | ) | 14:33 |
astarove | sound good to | 14:33 |
amaretskiy1 | that looks reasonable :) | 14:33 |
andreykurilin1 | 4) in stats table: Total -> Load duration | 14:34 |
amaretskiy1 | andreykurilin1: just to be sure: assuming YES for renaming "Task overview" -> "Overview" | 14:34 |
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amaretskiy1 | Okay, "Total -> Load duration" is the most problematic proposal | 14:34 |
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andreykurilin1 | +1 since "total" means time of workload + context... | 14:35 |
amaretskiy1 | "Total" is actually a problem because people think thi sis a sum af other values in the column | 14:35 |
amaretskiy1 | this values is actually a load duration | 14:36 |
rvasilets_ | So the proposal is to rename what?) | 14:36 |
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amaretskiy1 | i'm actually requestion all these renamings because of one this problem which repeats - people get confusing | 14:37 |
amaretskiy1 | so this question is the most important | 14:37 |
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amaretskiy1 | this should not sould like "sum of all atomic actions durations values listed above in this column" | 14:38 |
andreykurilin1 | imo, we should raise this rename at mailing too | 14:38 |
amaretskiy1 | maybe "iteration duration", "duration", "load duration", ...... | 14:38 |
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rvasilets_ | For the first time I suggest to make load_duration at report like hyperlink to the proper section at glossary | 14:39 |
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amaretskiy1 | https://rally.readthedocs.io/en/latest/reports.html#table-with-statistics-data | 14:40 |
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amaretskiy1 | rvasilets_: hints in report is another question | 14:40 |
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amaretskiy1 | rvasilets_: we have a lot of options for that - speech bubbles, links, etc | 14:41 |
amaretskiy1 | so let's not mix these topics | 14:41 |
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amaretskiy1 | this concrete question is about renaming (or keeping without change) "Total" | 14:41 |
rvasilets_ | Sorry, I don't know that this is another topic | 14:42 |
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andreykurilin1 | let's discuss "task overiew" and "total" as part of mailing-list | 14:48 |
andreykurilin1 | anything else? | 14:48 |
amaretskiy1 | ok | 14:48 |
amaretskiy1 | yes | 14:48 |
amaretskiy1 | i hav ea question about trends report | 14:48 |
amaretskiy1 | let's imagine that we have N workloads | 14:48 |
amaretskiy1 | and we generate trends report | 14:48 |
amaretskiy1 | but | 14:49 |
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amaretskiy1 | one workloads has some critical failures so all values are "n/a" | 14:49 |
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amaretskiy1 | we have 2 ways to deal with that | 14:49 |
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amaretskiy1 | 1) ignore broken workload - this will be silently skipped like it does not exist at all | 14:50 |
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andreykurilin1 | I dislike such idead | 14:51 |
amaretskiy1 | side effect of this solution is that user can be confused since he/she expects N workloads in report (he/she does not know that one (and which one) is broken) | 14:51 |
amaretskiy1 | but gets N-1 | 14:51 |
rvasilets_ | + for dislike | 14:51 |
amaretskiy1 | 2) reset all values to zero | 14:51 |
amaretskiy1 | in this case the result will be mathematically incorrect because there is actually an absense of result | 14:52 |
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amaretskiy1 | ideas? | 14:52 |
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rvasilets_ | how about to raise a big message or an error that we can't build trends for broken workloads? | 14:53 |
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amaretskiy1 | there actually a success rate chart in trends report so user will see that something get wrong | 14:53 |
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amaretskiy1 | so reset to zeroes sounds better to me | 14:53 |
amaretskiy1 | because missing workload is a cinfusing choice | 14:54 |
amaretskiy1 | *confusing | 14:54 |
rvasilets_ | this is the choice between to devils | 14:54 |
amaretskiy1 | 3rd option? vote for 1) and 2) ..... | 14:54 |
rvasilets_ | *two | 14:54 |
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andreykurilin1 | I prefer to leave both options via flag `--skip-broken` or something like that | 14:54 |
amaretskiy1 | so reset to zeroes by default but skip if having --skip-broken - thi sis option 3) | 14:55 |
amaretskiy1 | *this is | 14:55 |
andreykurilin1 | yes, this is option #3 | 14:55 |
amaretskiy1 | ok | 14:55 |
amaretskiy1 | #vote for 3 | 14:55 |
andreykurilin1 | :) | 14:55 |
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andreykurilin1 | I'm for #3 | 14:55 |
rvasilets_ | I vote for --skip-broken where is the 1) and for generating message that we are unable to generate trend by default | 14:56 |
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andreykurilin1 | ok, let's finish | 14:59 |
andreykurilin1 | move to #openstack-rally | 14:59 |
andreykurilin1 | #endmeeting | 14:59 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Mon Aug 22 14:59:17 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:59 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2016/rally.2016-08-22-14.02.html | 14:59 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2016/rally.2016-08-22-14.02.txt | 14:59 |
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anteaya | #startmeeting third-party | 15:01 |
openstack | Meeting started Mon Aug 22 15:01:11 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is anteaya. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'third_party' | 15:01 |
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anteaya | hello | 15:01 |
anteaya | anyone feel like chatting about topics of interest to third-party things? | 15:01 |
anteaya | about third-party things | 15:02 |
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mmedvede_ | hi anteaya . I am here, but I have nothing | 15:02 |
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anteaya | mmedvede_: thank you for being here | 15:02 |
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anteaya | I also have nothing no topic I wish to introduce for discussion today | 15:04 |
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anteaya | anyone else have anything they want to discuss or not? | 15:11 |
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anteaya | first call for objections to me closing the meeting | 15:11 |
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anteaya | no objections I see | 15:15 |
anteaya | thank you see you next week | 15:15 |
anteaya | #endmeeting | 15:15 |
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openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2016/third_party.2016-08-22-15.01.html | 15:15 |
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rakhmerov | #startmeeting Mistral | 16:01 |
openstack | Meeting started Mon Aug 22 16:01:45 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rakhmerov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'mistral' | 16:01 |
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rakhmerov | hi | 16:02 |
d0ugal | Hello! o/ | 16:02 |
rbrady | hello | 16:02 |
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jpeeler | hey | 16:02 |
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rakhmerov | I was actually thinking to cancel the meeting because a number of folks said that the wouldn't be here | 16:03 |
rakhmerov | but let's quickly discuss any hot topics, if any | 16:03 |
d0ugal | Sounds good :) | 16:04 |
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* jpeeler just wants reviews | 16:04 | |
rakhmerov | :) | 16:04 |
rakhmerov | #topic Current status | 16:04 |
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rakhmerov | let's quickly provide status updates | 16:04 |
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d0ugal | I spent a bit of time looking at https://bugs.launchpad.net/mistral/+bug/1411868 and I think it can be closed as it is becoming a non-issue. (mysql now supports precise datetimes) | 16:05 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1411868 in Mistral "list of tasks for an execution from API is out of order" [Medium,In progress] | 16:05 |
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rakhmerov | my status: still working on performance/deadlocks issues. Basically, as far as performance, all major issues were fixed, now I'm struggling with one DB deadlock that occurs in case of using 'join' tasks | 16:05 |
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rakhmerov | hoping to finish it this week | 16:05 |
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rakhmerov | d0ugal: ok, I see | 16:06 |
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d0ugal | and now I am spending some time looking at database migrations (https://bugs.launchpad.net/mistral/+bug/1611036) but mostly kept bust by TripleO Mistral work. | 16:06 |
rakhmerov | jpeeler: as far as reviews, you mean caching, right? | 16:06 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1611036 in Mistral "Automatically test database migrations" [Undecided,Confirmed] - Assigned to Dougal Matthews (d0ugal) | 16:06 |
rbrady | custom actions api: I started implementing feedback. it seems odd to move the context and utils into an api namespace. The current patch has the api namespace removed. I'm porting over tests today | 16:06 |
jpeeler | rakhmerov: client caching, and the external access to cached clients one (could be way off target - that's why i need reviews!) | 16:06 |
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rbrady | I've been busy with some TripleO Mistral work, but focusing today and tomorrow on getting the custom actions completed | 16:07 |
rakhmerov | #action rakhmero: review client caching patches | 16:07 |
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rakhmerov | #action rakhmerov: review client caching patches | 16:07 |
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jpeeler | thanks renat | 16:07 |
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rakhmerov | jpeeler: last time I looked at your patches they were mostly fine as far as I remember, I just didn't have a chance to finish my review | 16:08 |
rakhmerov | np | 16:08 |
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rakhmerov | rbrady: can you please quickly explain what concerns you on moving stuff under 'api'? | 16:08 |
d0ugal | What value does "api" provide? | 16:09 |
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rbrady | rakhmerov: while the exceptions and base action seem to fit there, the utils/keystone.py and context.py files would seem out of place to me to be placed in api | 16:09 |
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rakhmerov | rbrady: I totally agree | 16:10 |
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rbrady | d0ugal: I think the original intent was to have the api namespace to be the public contract with custom action developers | 16:10 |
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rakhmerov | rbrady: yes, 100% | 16:11 |
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d0ugal | I think it would be better to have everything public unless it starts with a "_" | 16:11 |
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rakhmerov | rbrady: I just want to clarify. Is there a still a reason to put them under api? | 16:11 |
d0ugal | Like the oslo libs do | 16:11 |
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rakhmerov | is somebody proposing it or something? | 16:11 |
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rbrady | d0ugal: but the more I've been adding things and then testing them out by changing tripleo-common, the more it seems like maybe the entire mistral-lib would be a good candidate for public contract | 16:12 |
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rakhmerov | d0ugal: I kind of disagree on it, because even libraries can have their implementation part and API | 16:12 |
d0ugal | rbrady: Yup, with the exception of a few things we can underscore like they do here: https://github.com/openstack/oslo.cache/tree/master/oslo_cache | 16:12 |
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d0ugal | rakhmerov: hmm, it seems weird. No other library I know of does this. | 16:12 |
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mgershen | o/ | 16:13 |
rakhmerov | #action rakhmerov: find an example of library where 'api' and 'implementation' part are explicitly separated | 16:13 |
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rakhmerov | :) | 16:13 |
d0ugal | haha | 16:13 |
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d0ugal | I am not going to argue the point further - but I think the norm for Python libraries is to default to public and mark private with underscores. | 16:14 |
rakhmerov | I mean.. I've seen this all around in other languages | 16:14 |
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rakhmerov | java, cpp | 16:14 |
rbrady | d0ugal: does the underscore denote "private to mistral_lib" or "private to mistral_lib and mistral" ? | 16:14 |
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rakhmerov | maybe it's another funny 'we simply don't need this' kind of thing in python :) | 16:14 |
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rbrady | d0ugal: some of the things we want to keep private from custom action devs, we would need to use in mistral | 16:15 |
d0ugal | rbrady: That's a fair point, normally it probably does mean private to mistral_lib - but given it's the same devs on both I think expanding that to mistral is fine. | 16:15 |
rakhmerov | d0ugal: yeah, as far as using underscore it's ok to me | 16:15 |
rakhmerov | I'm just elaborating on the principle itself | 16:15 |
d0ugal | Sure | 16:15 |
d0ugal | Anyway, I don't mind what colour the bikeshed is really :) | 16:15 |
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rakhmerov | it totally makes sense to me to have some very internal module implementing a certain function exposed outside | 16:16 |
rakhmerov | ok, that's clear | 16:16 |
rbrady | d0ugal, rakhmerov: the other idea I had was to keep only public things in mistral_lib, e.g. exceptions | 16:16 |
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rakhmerov | rbrady: ok, I think I see your concern now | 16:17 |
rbrady | only the base exceptions and action exception would need to be in mistral_lib, the other exceptions could stay in mistral proper | 16:17 |
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rakhmerov | d0ugal, rbrady: I think we just should clearly separate two things in this whole story | 16:17 |
d0ugal | +1 | 16:18 |
rakhmerov | mistral_lib is a library (and python project) with two types of clients (users) | 16:18 |
rakhmerov | #1. Other mistral subprojects | 16:18 |
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rakhmerov | #2. Mistral users, action developers | 16:19 |
rakhmerov | so, for #1 I don't see any problems to just being able to use everything from mistral-lib | 16:19 |
rakhmerov | even what's not under actions.api | 16:19 |
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rakhmerov | that's fine to me because it's all internal inter-mistral relationship | 16:20 |
d0ugal | Sounds good. | 16:20 |
rakhmerov | we can change this part easily w/o having to notify anyone else outside | 16:20 |
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rakhmerov | as far as #2, we have the responsibility to keep it stable enough so it can be treated as some sort of API | 16:21 |
rakhmerov | because it's related to our users | 16:21 |
rakhmerov | that's at least how I understand it | 16:21 |
rakhmerov | what do you think? | 16:21 |
rakhmerov | rbrady, d0ugal? | 16:22 |
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rakhmerov | ok | 16:22 |
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d0ugal | I would still prefer we put only public code in mistral-lib | 16:23 |
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d0ugal | I just don't understand why we want to move private code to another repo | 16:24 |
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d0ugal | If nothing else, it would make working on Mistral harder as you need to use depends-on and do updates in two places etc. | 16:24 |
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rbrady | rakhmerov: I understand the points laid out. If we intend a for mistral_lib to be heavily relied on from other mistral sub-projects I think mistral-lib might be larger. Only having public code in mistral-lib will keep it smaller | 16:24 |
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rakhmerov | yeah, I understand all this | 16:25 |
rakhmerov | but | 16:25 |
rakhmerov | this purely public code will have to rely on some implementation part | 16:25 |
rakhmerov | where is it going be? | 16:25 |
rakhmerov | it obviously can't be in mistral, for example | 16:26 |
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rakhmerov | mistral can (and will) depend on mistral-lib but not the way around | 16:26 |
rbrady | yes...the context and its dependency - the threading, ends up living in the public space | 16:26 |
d0ugal | Why are we having mistral depend on mistral-lib and not the other way around? | 16:26 |
d0ugal | I guess we have discussed this, but I have forgotten. | 16:27 |
rbrady | d0ugal: smaller dependency for custom action devs. | 16:27 |
d0ugal | rbrady: Oh yeah, obvious. Sorry. | 16:27 |
rakhmerov | d0ugal: regarding your point about updating things in two places, I agree. However, I think it's a trade-off we can accept. We should try to keep mistral-lib as stable as possible | 16:28 |
rakhmerov | even not api part | 16:28 |
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rakhmerov | if it stays relatively stable then it won't give us too much pain with having to make updates in different repos | 16:28 |
d0ugal | Right | 16:29 |
rakhmerov | d0ugal: yes, it | 16:29 |
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rakhmerov | it's like the following: | 16:29 |
rbrady | rakhmerov: looking at the execution.py file in the initial code import - aren't these methods that will somehow have to query the db for information? | 16:29 |
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rakhmerov | mistral -> mistral-lib <- mistral-extra (OpenStack actions) | 16:29 |
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rakhmerov | where arrows means 'depends on' | 16:30 |
d0ugal | rakhmerov: oh, I didn't know mistral-lib would depend on mistral-extra. | 16:30 |
rakhmerov | d0ugal: no, no | 16:30 |
d0ugal | oh | 16:30 |
d0ugal | Other way around | 16:30 |
rakhmerov | the way around ) | 16:30 |
rakhmerov | yes | 16:30 |
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rakhmerov | rbrady: ha! that's a good point... | 16:31 |
d0ugal | Okay, so I don't really mind. We can just go ahead with the ".api." thing, but I still think it is going to be a strange choice for a python lib | 16:31 |
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rakhmerov | f...k | 16:32 |
d0ugal | rbrady: Where is that? | 16:32 |
rbrady | d0ugal: https://github.com/openstack/mistral-lib/blob/master/mistral_lib/actions/api/execution.py | 16:33 |
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d0ugal | lol, rbrady look what you did! ;) | 16:33 |
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rakhmerov | yeah... this is really weird | 16:34 |
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rbrady | rakhmerov: is there a use case for an action needing to know what execution_id is? | 16:35 |
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rakhmerov | yes, indeed | 16:35 |
rbrady | rakhmerov: I've used execution info in a workflow, but not an action yet | 16:35 |
rakhmerov | any asynchronous action | 16:35 |
rakhmerov | rbrady: ok, here's what I think | 16:35 |
rakhmerov | those methods may not actually need DB | 16:36 |
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rakhmerov | this data like execution id etc. maybe just a contextual information always available in the current execution thread | 16:36 |
rakhmerov | and those methods can be just extracting it | 16:37 |
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rakhmerov | for this particular case it maybe enough | 16:37 |
rakhmerov | but you raised a good concern actually | 16:37 |
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rakhmerov | in general | 16:37 |
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rbrady | rakhmerov: so would the execution info be added to the context? | 16:37 |
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rakhmerov | yes, it's pretty much what we do now passing this info under special parameter 'context' that actions can optionally have | 16:38 |
rakhmerov | but in a slightly different form | 16:38 |
rakhmerov | I was just thinking, for example, about other things like custom YAQL functions | 16:39 |
rakhmerov | I know we're not there yet but anyway | 16:39 |
rakhmerov | for custom YAQL functions we need kind of API as well | 16:39 |
rakhmerov | but in that case I would expect that YAQL functions devs may want to query something in DB | 16:39 |
rakhmerov | through some interface | 16:39 |
rakhmerov | I dunno, I need to think about it | 16:40 |
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rakhmerov | but I would suggest we keep moving forward with this anyway and see what we're getting | 16:41 |
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rbrady | rakhmerov: okay. I will continue adding tests for the code that there and discuss the other bits later. | 16:41 |
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rakhmerov | yeah, ok | 16:41 |
rakhmerov | thanks | 16:42 |
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rakhmerov | rbrady: btw, do you have to use a stable mistral release or you can use just latest master version? | 16:42 |
rakhmerov | I might have asked you, I don't remember.. | 16:42 |
rbrady | tripleo has been using master | 16:42 |
rakhmerov | ok | 16:43 |
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d0ugal | Keeps things intersting :) | 16:43 |
rakhmerov | rbrady: I'm asking because it seems like we won't finish this BP in N-3. Partially because I had to switch to performance issues which are also important | 16:43 |
rakhmerov | and because it's our internal priority | 16:43 |
d0ugal | TripleO will have to use a released version for N | 16:44 |
rbrady | rakhmerov: ack. if this doesn't make N3, can we roll it over to the next cycle and continue it? | 16:44 |
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rakhmerov | and in any case, I would prefer that don't hurry with it | 16:44 |
rakhmerov | rbrady: yes, that's what I'm proposing | 16:44 |
d0ugal | +1, it is turning out to be quite complex :) | 16:44 |
rbrady | rakhmerov: ack | 16:44 |
rakhmerov | yep | 16:44 |
rbrady | +1 | 16:44 |
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rakhmerov | it will remove pressure from us (which I already have more than enough) | 16:45 |
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rakhmerov | my only concern was if you need it in N-3 or not | 16:45 |
d0ugal | I think that would be fine for TripleO - it isn't actually blocking anything is it rbrady? | 16:45 |
rbrady | d0ugal: nope. it is not blocking TripleO | 16:45 |
rakhmerov | okay | 16:46 |
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rakhmerov | ok, then let's keep discussing and working on it w/o a rush | 16:46 |
rakhmerov | I'll pay more attention to this once I'll unblock my colleagues with performance | 16:46 |
rakhmerov | it should happen soon I believe | 16:47 |
rbrady | ack | 16:47 |
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rakhmerov | ok | 16:48 |
rakhmerov | anything else? | 16:49 |
rakhmerov | btw, are there any mysql experts on the meeting? :) | 16:49 |
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rakhmerov | :)) | 16:50 |
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d0ugal | rakhmerov: Do we define which database versions we support? | 16:51 |
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rakhmerov | I'm now deep in all transactional/locking/timeouting/whateverelse stuff and pretty often I lack mysql expertise actually, so I thought if somebody could help with this it'd be great | 16:51 |
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rakhmerov | d0ugal: not officially yet, but practically it's mysql (>=5.6) and postgres (~ > 9.2) | 16:52 |
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d0ugal | rakhmerov: right, I ask because 5.7 solves https://bugs.launchpad.net/mistral/+bug/1411868 | 16:53 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1411868 in Mistral "list of tasks for an execution from API is out of order" [Medium,In progress] | 16:53 |
rakhmerov | I've been learning about differences between these two for the last month and a half every day and there's such huge gap between them actually | 16:53 |
d0ugal | as far as I can tell, I have not had a chance to test. | 16:53 |
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d0ugal | rakhmerov: haha, yeah. I have been a heavy postgres user and mysql confuses me :) | 16:54 |
rakhmerov | I can 100% say that making Mistral compatible with something else would require enormous efforts | 16:54 |
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rakhmerov | d0ugal: I think we can pin it to 5.7 and greater | 16:54 |
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rakhmerov | d0ugal: well, if you ask me, I don't really understand why mysql is a choice of OpenStack | 16:55 |
rakhmerov | although sometimes ago I had a different opinion | 16:55 |
rakhmerov | I found a crazy amount of things that are completely not supported by mysql | 16:56 |
d0ugal | hah :) | 16:56 |
rakhmerov | maybe I'm misinterpreting though for what use cases mysql has been design | 16:56 |
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rakhmerov | designed | 16:56 |
rakhmerov | specifically innodb engine | 16:56 |
d0ugal | It's an interesting beast :) | 16:56 |
rakhmerov | dunno, but yeah... I don't know. I can tell in details what findings I made once we have a chance | 16:57 |
rakhmerov | for example, a simple example: repeatable read transactions in mysql are not true repeatable read :) | 16:57 |
d0ugal | That would be really interesting to hear | 16:57 |
rakhmerov | yeah | 16:57 |
rakhmerov | tons of things, no kidding | 16:57 |
rakhmerov | in some case mysql even doesn't release locks acquired by some TXs after TXs are rolled back | 16:58 |
rakhmerov | it's in their docs | 16:58 |
rakhmerov | :) | 16:58 |
rakhmerov | only 200 TXs maximum waiting for a lock | 16:58 |
d0ugal | :/ | 16:58 |
rakhmerov | etc etc | 16:58 |
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rakhmerov | ok, again, I'm not a DB expert and may not understand something yet | 16:59 |
rakhmerov | but for some reason, postgres doesn't have all those limitations | 16:59 |
rakhmerov | we have to end the meeting | 17:00 |
rakhmerov | thanks for joining | 17:00 |
rbrady | rakhmerov: do you have a list of the bugs? | 17:00 |
rakhmerov | rbrady: which bugs? | 17:00 |
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rbrady | mysql perf | 17:00 |
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rbrady | rakhmerov: will ask in #openstack-mistral | 17:00 |
rakhmerov | ooh, no actually, maybe just some of them but I'm not sure | 17:00 |
rakhmerov | yes | 17:01 |
rakhmerov | #endmeeting | 17:01 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Mon Aug 22 17:01:02 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:01 |
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openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2016/mistral.2016-08-22-16.01.html | 17:01 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2016/mistral.2016-08-22-16.01.txt | 17:01 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2016/mistral.2016-08-22-16.01.log.html | 17:01 |
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rakhmerov | rbrady: they just keep popping up as I go forward with non-locking model | 17:01 |
rakhmerov | and I keep fixing them w/o always filing bugs | 17:01 |
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rbrady | rakhmerov: ack | 17:02 |
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ryanpetrello | #startmeeting astara | 18:00 |
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openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
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ryanpetrello | rods markmcclain adam_g o/ | 18:00 |
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ryanpetrello | #endmeeting | 18:15 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Mon Aug 22 18:15:17 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:15 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/astara/2016/astara.2016-08-22-18.00.html | 18:15 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/astara/2016/astara.2016-08-22-18.00.txt | 18:15 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/astara/2016/astara.2016-08-22-18.00.log.html | 18:15 |
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armax | hello | 21:00 |
dasm | o/ | 21:00 |
mlavalle | o/ | 21:00 |
haleyb | hi | 21:00 |
armax | I am not sure how many would be able to join | 21:00 |
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armax | some of us have been travelling back from the mid-cycle | 21:00 |
armax | #startmeeting networking | 21:00 |
openstack | Meeting started Mon Aug 22 21:00:53 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is armax. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
oanson | Hi | 21:00 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking' | 21:00 |
trevormc | o/ | 21:00 |
njohnston | o/ | 21:01 |
yamahata | hi | 21:01 |
armax | we can keep the meeting short if need be | 21:01 |
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armax | we can start off with announcements | 21:01 |
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armax | #topic Announcements | 21:01 |
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armax | The gate is in trouble | 21:01 |
armax | Stop merging and recheck with care | 21:01 |
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dougwig | it affects neutron tempest jobs, or more than that? | 21:02 |
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armax | dougwig: tempest and unit tests so far | 21:02 |
dasm | what is the root cause? or is it multiple reasons? | 21:02 |
armax | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bugs?field.status%3Alist=NEW&field.status%3Alist=CONFIRMED&field.tag=gate-failure | 21:02 |
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Sam-I-Am | moo. | 21:02 |
armax | for the tempest failure we have already got a root cause nailed down | 21:02 |
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armax | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bugs?field.status%3Alist=NEW&field.status%3Alist=INPROGRESS&field.tag=gate-failure | 21:03 |
armax | I just noticed the unit test failures in changes that were in the gate queue | 21:03 |
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armax | we also experienced a break last Friday due to a tempest change | 21:05 |
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armax | but that has been dealt with | 21:06 |
armax | pending change https://review.openstack.org/#/c/358753/ should bring the tempest side of the house back to sanity | 21:06 |
armax | but the change just got stung by a random unit test failure | 21:06 |
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armax | so it’ll have to go through the queue once more | 21:06 |
armax | however with the recent instability who knows how long it’ll take to merge | 21:07 |
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dougwig | yep, the gate random churn has been really high lately. | 21:07 |
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armax | right now we should all take the time to go over gate failures and gate failure fixes and make sure we have everything nailed down | 21:08 |
armax | let’s make sure the confirmed list of gate failure is empty | 21:09 |
armax | please | 21:09 |
armax | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bugs?field.status%3Alist=NEW&field.status%3Alist=CONFIRMED&field.tag=gate-failure | 21:09 |
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armax | we should also go through http://status.openstack.org/elastic-recheck/ and categorize any uncategorized failure | 21:10 |
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armax | #link http://status.openstack.org/elastic-recheck/data/integrated_gate.html | 21:10 |
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armax | we should give priority review to gate failure fixes, let’s take aside refactoring and cosmetic patches for a little bit | 21:11 |
armax | anyone else has anything to add? | 21:12 |
armax | one other announcement I wanted to make was regarding the mid-cycle | 21:13 |
armax | for those of you who did not manage to join, we’ll be sending out a report by the end of the week | 21:13 |
armax | also this week is non-client library freeze | 21:14 |
armax | whereas next week is Newton feature freeze | 21:14 |
armax | which entails requirements freeze | 21:14 |
dougwig | HenryG: i think we'll want a final lib release this week. | 21:15 |
armax | anything that fails to get into libraries and client projects is deferred to Ocata unless there’s a good reason for an exception | 21:15 |
armax | dougwig, HenryG: ok, let’s make sure we have something in gerrit by the end of today | 21:15 |
armax | HenryG is in CEST this week I think | 21:15 |
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njohnston | Is python-neutronclient considered a 'non-client library' at this point? | 21:16 |
dougwig | armax: when is the due date for the patch to releases? i'm not expecting any new gerrit patches into the lib, but a few existing ones, and the ones we merged last week. | 21:16 |
dougwig | if it's today, i'll submit that later. | 21:16 |
armax | dougwig: ok so do you see as a simple refresh? | 21:17 |
armax | njohnston: I consider it a client library | 21:17 |
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njohnston | armax: Thanks for the clarification | 21:17 |
dougwig | armax: no, we have base model stuff and one other big one from last week. it has a few fixes pending, all submitted already | 21:18 |
dougwig | i'd like to get those in this week, then release. | 21:18 |
armax | ok | 21:18 |
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armax | let me ping you offline to see to get a more detailed picture | 21:19 |
dougwig | ok | 21:19 |
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armax | if there’s nothing else, I’d rather take the 40 minutes back and crack down on some of the issues that have popped up lately | 21:20 |
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mlavalle | ++ | 21:21 |
dasanind_ | armax: the clean up api-ref should be completed this week then? | 21:21 |
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armax | dasanind_: it’s gonna have to be ongoing | 21:21 |
oanson | I have a question about the transaction guard around the port methods. | 21:21 |
armax | oanson: shoot | 21:21 |
oanson | In ML2. From https://review.openstack.org/#/c/275110/ | 21:21 |
oanson | I was wondering what is the long term plans to allow external L3 service plugins to call these methods from within transactions | 21:21 |
oanson | Instead of the GUARD_TRANSACTION=false workaround. | 21:22 |
armax | kevinbenton has promised us a fix, but before doing that we need to disentagle the code a bit | 21:22 |
dasanind_ | armax: as you mentioned the neutron-lib will freeze this week. so the api-ref's that will not be completed will go in the next release then? | 21:22 |
armax | dasanind_: correct | 21:22 |
dasanind_ | armax: thank you | 21:22 |
armax | kevinbenton: ^ wanna elaborate further? | 21:23 |
kevinbenton | there is no long term to allow that | 21:23 |
armax | oanson: feel free to reach to kevinbenton in the #openstack-neutron channel | 21:23 |
kevinbenton | it's fundamentally incompatible with ML2 | 21:24 |
kevinbenton | the fix is going to be to correctly manage the life-cycle of a port independent of a DB transaction | 21:24 |
armax | kevinbenton: right, thanks for clearing that up | 21:25 |
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oanson | kevinbenton, thanks. | 21:25 |
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armax | oanson: calling core plugin methods within transactions has never been a good thing | 21:25 |
dougwig | dasanind_: but, the api-ref work will continue without a pause. it doesn't need a pypi release to continue the work. | 21:25 |
oanson | armax, I see. I wanted to understand the bigger picture before re-writing some of our code. | 21:26 |
armax | and must be prevented | 21:26 |
dasanind_ | dougwig: makes sense | 21:27 |
armax | oanson: the problem stems from the fact that core plugin methods may execute actions that cannot be rolled back | 21:27 |
armax | like backend operations | 21:27 |
armax | ok | 21:27 |
oanson | So in any case plugins should be given a chance to execute their code before these operations. | 21:27 |
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oanson | So that if the plugins fail, they have a chance to roll back? | 21:28 |
armax | I am not sure I understand the question | 21:29 |
oanson | The issue we ran into is in the router_add_interface method in l3 service plugin. We wanted to tie the version modification to the router modification's session, so that it'd be atomic. | 21:30 |
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armax | oanson: do you have a patch? | 21:30 |
armax | we can take the discussion on the review itself | 21:30 |
armax | I’d like to end the meeting | 21:30 |
oanson | armax, that's code that's already merged | 21:31 |
oanson | But we can take the discussion off-line. | 21:31 |
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armax | oanson: that code that you’re looking at must be rewritten | 21:31 |
oanson | armax, that's what I feared. | 21:31 |
armax | #endmeeting | 21:31 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Mon Aug 22 21:31:45 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:31 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2016/networking.2016-08-22-21.00.html | 21:31 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2016/networking.2016-08-22-21.00.txt | 21:31 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2016/networking.2016-08-22-21.00.log.html | 21:31 |
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