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aspiersHA meeting is now, right? just checking :)08:59
ddejayes, it is09:00
aspiers#startmeeting ha09:00
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aspiershi all09:01
aspiershaukebruno: are you joining us? :)09:01
aspiersplease bear with me if I am slow this morning - just got back from vacation, and also on another conference call at the same time :)09:02
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ddejano problem aspiers09:02
aspiersI guess other people are on vacation - I saw there was no meeting last week (but thanks ddeja for being there anyway ;-)09:02
ddejaaspiers: yup. No move from NTT guys last week.09:02
aspiersok09:03
aspiersmaybe the same this week09:03
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aspiersthat's fine09:03
aspiersmy main focus will be the specs09:03
aspiersI think it should get easier now we have almost finished the first one09:03
ddejaagree09:04
ddejaThis week I'll focus on last commit's to mistral, since it is following the N-releasing, so there is not much time09:04
ddejaand for spec we can work on it till Barcelona, right?09:05
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aspiersyes09:05
aspiersI think it's pretty important that we have several specs finished before Barcelona09:05
ddejathat's very good :)09:05
aspiersand ideally some code too ...09:05
ddejatotaly agree, starting September I can start working on it09:05
aspierscool!09:05
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ddejawell, I'll be on vacation, so it will be 10th of September when I can start work on it ;)09:06
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aspiersah ok :)09:06
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ddejaaspiers: do you know how many time we have for the docs?09:07
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ddejaI was hoping that beekhof would show today09:08
aspierswhich bit of the docs do you mean?09:08
ddejaI mean the HA docs09:08
ddejaif they also have freeze on N-3?09:08
aspiersohhh09:08
aspiersI see. I'm not sure09:08
aspiersHmm, that's a good question09:09
ddejaand also I wanted to ask how the work is going on it09:09
aspiersI haven't had any time for it yet09:09
ddejaif Andrew wants some help, or something09:09
aspiersbut yes it's important we at least add some basic info re. compute HA in there09:09
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aspierse.g. a link to our talk09:09
ddejaand a short summary09:09
aspiersright09:09
ddejawill you ask Andrew about it?09:10
aspierssure09:10
ddejathanks :)09:10
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ddejaplease let me know if any help is needed. It's one of the things I told my boss that will be done in Newton cycle ;)09:11
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aspiersok, well I don't think anything started yet so I'm sure reviews are very welcome :)09:12
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ddejasure09:12
ddejabut I can also start some work if there is noone else who can't start it09:13
haukebrunoaspiers, I joined now, sorry. went off for some meeting foo :/09:14
aspiersddeja: that would be great I think09:14
aspiershaukebruno: no problem, I am currently having 3 conversations at once ;-)09:14
aspiersnice gentle welcome back after vacation 8-o09:14
ddejaaspiers: OK, I'll write some draft tommorow and create first pull request09:15
aspiersawesome thanks!09:15
aspiersoh I just remembered, sampath is going to the NYC meetup09:16
aspierswhen is that?09:16
ddejatommorow09:16
ddejafrom what I found on the internet09:16
aspiersok09:17
aspiersanything else?09:18
ddejaI'm OK09:18
aspiersI don't have anything else today09:18
aspiersOK, let's finish early then :)09:18
aspiersthanks!09:18
aspiers#endmeeting09:18
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ddejathank you09:18
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andreykurilin1#startmeeting Rally14:02
openstackMeeting started Mon Aug 22 14:02:21 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is andreykurilin1. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.14:02
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.14:02
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Rally)"14:02
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'rally'14:02
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andreykurilin1o/14:02
amaretskiy1o/14:02
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rvasilets_o?14:03
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morourkervasilets_, it is supposed to look like a person waving to you14:04
andreykurilin1:)14:04
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andreykurilin1amaretskiy1: Have you finished writting agenda?14:05
andreykurilin1:)14:05
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rvasilets_morourke, its anothe smile with a bit bended hand=)14:05
amaretskiy1andreykurilin1: no, agenda will be updated in minutes14:05
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andreykurilin1let's wait several meenutes14:06
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andreykurilin1hm...14:08
andreykurilin1amaretskiy1: I think, we don't need agenda:) let's start without modefying wiki14:08
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andreykurilin1#topic [rvasilets] Work on Validator related stuff14:10
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andreykurilin1- Introducing of new Validator base depend on two patches https://review.openstack.org/#/c/297020/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/309883/14:11
andreykurilin1I will maintain the second one but we need to move on review process on the first patch. As I understand we need to wait Boris review on DB refactoring14:11
rvasilets_typing14:11
andreykurilin1both two messages were copy-pasted from agenda:)14:11
andreykurilin1oh...14:12
andreykurilin1they are separate topics14:12
rvasilets_Its not a secret that I'm working on the new validators plugin base. I'm stopped on writting validation result into db. Why? - 1) https://review.openstack.org/#/c/297020/ it adds validation_result field into the Task model that I supposed to use 2) https://review.openstack.org/#/c/309883/ it changes task statuses that I also supposed to use14:12
rvasilets_So the time of introduction of new plugin basefor validators depend on this two patches14:13
rvasilets_first one should be merged by Boris14:13
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rvasilets_the second one I will maintain as was discussed with Boris14:13
andreykurilin1ok, let's make new release this week and merge https://review.openstack.org/#/c/297020/ after it(we will have time to fix it while working on new release)14:13
rvasilets_So I suggest to ping more Boris to review first patch)14:14
rvasilets_eom14:14
andreykurilin1actually I'm ok about 29702014:14
rvasilets_Me too)14:14
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andreykurilin1and since it already has one +2, we can merge it with two more +2 (since it is big change)14:15
andreykurilin1let's do it right away after new release14:15
rvasilets_So will we cut new release and then merge new db schema?14:16
andreykurilin1yes14:16
rvasilets_Will the Иoris be the last who should merge that change?14:17
andreykurilin1it is not required:) it is opensource))) 3 votes from cores should be enough14:17
rvasilets_lol14:18
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amaretskiy1finally!14:18
andreykurilin1I hope boris-42 will not read my message14:18
andreykurilin1lol14:18
amaretskiy1ups...14:18
rvasilets_)))14:18
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andreykurilin1anything else related to this topic&14:18
andreykurilin1?14:18
rvasilets_No14:18
amaretskiy1nothing from me14:18
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andreykurilin1ok, let's move to the next one14:19
andreykurilin1#topic  * [amaretskiy] There are proposals for renaming placeholders in HTML report:14:19
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amaretskiy1let's discuss each proposal separately14:19
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andreykurilin11) Scenario Data -> Workload Data14:19
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amaretskiy1votes?14:20
andreykurilin1I'm ok about this change14:20
amaretskiy1that's about our new term14:20
andreykurilin1yup14:20
amaretskiy1workload === scenario14:20
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rvasilets_thinking14:21
andreykurilin1amaretskiy1: please, share a link to glossary :)14:21
andreykurilin1it would be nice to have a link for meeting log14:21
rvasilets_okey, possibly yes14:22
rvasilets_http://rally.readthedocs.io/en/latest/glossary.html14:23
rvasilets_http://rally.readthedocs.io/en/latest/glossary.html#scenario14:23
amaretskiy1okay, so desicion is YES14:24
andreykurilin1we have broken links in our glossary ;(14:24
amaretskiy1*decision14:24
andreykurilin1http://rally.readthedocs.io/en/latest/glossary.html#workload is actually http://rally.readthedocs.io/en/latest/glossary.html#id314:24
andreykurilin12) Scenario -> Workload14:25
andreykurilin1the same14:25
andreykurilin1:)14:25
amaretskiy1give votes :)14:25
andreykurilin1+14:25
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rvasilets_+14:27
andreykurilin13) Task Overview -> Summary14:28
amaretskiy1tahat's about the table http://logs.openstack.org/66/358566/1/check/gate-rally-dsvm-rally/8f8bac7/rally-plot/results.html.gz#/14:28
amaretskiy1*hat's14:28
amaretskiy1*that's14:28
amaretskiy1top left menu item14:29
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andreykurilin1hm..14:29
andreykurilin1I'm not sure what label is the best14:29
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rvasilets_I'm for overview14:30
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amaretskiy1i'm not sure too14:30
amaretskiy1however let's consider that "task overview" is not correct14:30
andreykurilin1sure14:30
amaretskiy1because we can generate report from 100 tasks14:30
andreykurilin1let's raise this question at mailing-list14:30
amaretskiy1and json files14:30
rvasilets_Why? -  google says that summary is a brief description. I guess this is not the best practice to use brief description at the top of report14:31
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rvasilets_Overview14:31
amaretskiy1is this change so important for mailing list? we can keep this as-is and ask boris-4214:31
rvasilets_Report overview14:31
rvasilets_Tasks overview14:31
amaretskiy1"report" is redundant14:32
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amaretskiy1actually this table is not about tasks (and tasks)14:32
amaretskiy1this table is about workloads!!!!14:32
amaretskiy1each row is a summary for workload14:32
andreykurilin1maybe "worload overview" ?14:32
astarove+14:32
amaretskiy1workloads overview looks better14:33
amaretskiy1workloadS14:33
rvasilets_Okey lets called for the times - Overview14:33
rvasilets_)14:33
astarovesound good to14:33
amaretskiy1that looks reasonable :)14:33
andreykurilin14) in stats table: Total -> Load duration14:34
amaretskiy1andreykurilin1: just to be sure: assuming YES for renaming "Task overview" -> "Overview"14:34
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amaretskiy1Okay, "Total -> Load duration" is the most problematic proposal14:34
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andreykurilin1+1 since "total" means time of workload + context...14:35
amaretskiy1"Total" is actually a problem because people think thi sis a sum af other values in the column14:35
amaretskiy1this values is actually a load duration14:36
rvasilets_So the proposal is to rename what?)14:36
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amaretskiy1i'm actually requestion all these renamings because of one this problem which repeats - people get confusing14:37
amaretskiy1so this question is the most important14:37
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amaretskiy1this should not sould like "sum of all atomic actions durations values listed above in this column"14:38
andreykurilin1imo, we should raise this rename at mailing too14:38
amaretskiy1maybe "iteration duration",  "duration", "load duration", ......14:38
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rvasilets_For the first time I suggest to make load_duration at report like hyperlink to the proper section at glossary14:39
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amaretskiy1https://rally.readthedocs.io/en/latest/reports.html#table-with-statistics-data14:40
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amaretskiy1 rvasilets_: hints in report is another question14:40
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amaretskiy1 rvasilets_: we have a lot of options for that - speech bubbles, links, etc14:41
amaretskiy1so let's not mix these topics14:41
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amaretskiy1this concrete question is about renaming (or keeping without change) "Total"14:41
rvasilets_Sorry, I don't know that this is another topic14:42
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andreykurilin1let's discuss "task overiew" and "total" as part of mailing-list14:48
andreykurilin1anything else?14:48
amaretskiy1ok14:48
amaretskiy1yes14:48
amaretskiy1i hav ea question about trends report14:48
amaretskiy1let's imagine that we have N workloads14:48
amaretskiy1and we generate trends report14:48
amaretskiy1but14:49
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amaretskiy1one workloads has some critical failures so all values are "n/a"14:49
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amaretskiy1we have 2 ways to deal with that14:49
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amaretskiy11) ignore broken workload - this will be silently skipped like it does not exist at all14:50
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andreykurilin1I dislike such idead14:51
amaretskiy1side effect of this solution is that user can be confused since he/she expects N workloads in report (he/she does not know that one (and which one) is broken)14:51
amaretskiy1but gets N-114:51
rvasilets_+ for dislike14:51
amaretskiy12) reset all values to zero14:51
amaretskiy1in this case the result will be mathematically incorrect because there is actually an absense of result14:52
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amaretskiy1ideas?14:52
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rvasilets_how about to raise a big message or an error that we can't build trends for broken workloads?14:53
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amaretskiy1there actually a success rate chart in trends report so user will see that something get wrong14:53
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amaretskiy1so reset to zeroes sounds better to me14:53
amaretskiy1because missing workload is a cinfusing choice14:54
amaretskiy1*confusing14:54
rvasilets_this is the choice between to devils14:54
amaretskiy13rd option? vote for 1) and 2) .....14:54
rvasilets_*two14:54
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andreykurilin1I prefer to leave both options via flag `--skip-broken` or something like that14:54
amaretskiy1so reset to zeroes by default but skip if having --skip-broken   - thi sis option 3)14:55
amaretskiy1*this is14:55
andreykurilin1yes, this is option #314:55
amaretskiy1ok14:55
amaretskiy1#vote for 314:55
andreykurilin1:)14:55
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andreykurilin1I'm for #314:55
rvasilets_I vote for --skip-broken where is the 1) and for generating message that we are unable to generate trend by default14:56
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andreykurilin1ok, let's finish14:59
andreykurilin1move to #openstack-rally14:59
andreykurilin1#endmeeting14:59
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anteaya#startmeeting third-party15:01
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anteayahello15:01
anteayaanyone feel like chatting about topics of interest to third-party things?15:01
anteayaabout third-party things15:02
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mmedvede_hi anteaya . I am here, but I have nothing15:02
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anteayammedvede_: thank you for being here15:02
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anteayaI also have nothing no topic I wish to introduce for discussion today15:04
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anteayaanyone else have anything they want to discuss or not?15:11
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anteayafirst call for objections to me closing the meeting15:11
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anteayano objections I see15:15
anteayathank you see you next week15:15
anteaya#endmeeting15:15
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rakhmerov#startmeeting Mistral16:01
openstackMeeting started Mon Aug 22 16:01:45 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is rakhmerov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.16:01
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rakhmerovhi16:02
d0ugalHello! o/16:02
rbradyhello16:02
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jpeelerhey16:02
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rakhmerovI was actually thinking to cancel the meeting because a number of folks said that the wouldn't be here16:03
rakhmerovbut let's quickly discuss any hot topics, if any16:03
d0ugalSounds good :)16:04
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* jpeeler just wants reviews16:04
rakhmerov:)16:04
rakhmerov#topic Current status16:04
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rakhmerovlet's quickly provide status updates16:04
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d0ugalI spent a bit of time looking at https://bugs.launchpad.net/mistral/+bug/1411868 and I think it can be closed as it is becoming a non-issue. (mysql now supports precise datetimes)16:05
openstackLaunchpad bug 1411868 in Mistral "list of tasks for an execution from API is out of order" [Medium,In progress]16:05
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rakhmerovmy status: still working on performance/deadlocks issues. Basically, as far as performance, all major issues were fixed, now I'm struggling with one DB deadlock that occurs in case of using 'join' tasks16:05
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rakhmerovhoping to finish it this week16:05
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rakhmerovd0ugal: ok, I see16:06
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d0ugaland now I am spending some time looking at database migrations (https://bugs.launchpad.net/mistral/+bug/1611036) but mostly kept bust by TripleO Mistral work.16:06
rakhmerovjpeeler: as far as reviews, you mean caching, right?16:06
openstackLaunchpad bug 1611036 in Mistral "Automatically test database migrations" [Undecided,Confirmed] - Assigned to Dougal Matthews (d0ugal)16:06
rbradycustom actions api: I started implementing feedback.  it seems odd to move the context and utils into an api namespace.  The current patch has the api namespace removed.  I'm porting over tests today16:06
jpeelerrakhmerov: client caching, and the external access to cached clients one (could be way off target - that's why i need reviews!)16:06
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rbradyI've been busy with some TripleO Mistral work, but focusing today and tomorrow on getting the custom actions completed16:07
rakhmerov#action rakhmero: review client caching patches16:07
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rakhmerov#action rakhmerov: review client caching patches16:07
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jpeelerthanks renat16:07
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rakhmerovjpeeler: last time I looked at your patches they were mostly fine as far as I remember, I just didn't have a chance to finish my review16:08
rakhmerovnp16:08
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rakhmerovrbrady: can you please quickly explain what concerns you on moving stuff under 'api'?16:08
d0ugalWhat value does "api" provide?16:09
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rbradyrakhmerov: while the exceptions and base action seem to fit there, the utils/keystone.py and context.py files would seem out of place to me to be placed in api16:09
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rakhmerovrbrady: I totally agree16:10
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rbradyd0ugal: I think the original intent was to have the api namespace to be the public contract with custom action developers16:10
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rakhmerovrbrady: yes, 100%16:11
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d0ugalI think it would be better to have everything public unless it starts with a "_"16:11
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rakhmerovrbrady: I just want to clarify. Is there a still a reason to put them under api?16:11
d0ugalLike the oslo libs do16:11
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rakhmerovis somebody proposing it or something?16:11
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rbradyd0ugal: but the more I've been adding things and then testing them out by changing tripleo-common, the more it seems like maybe the entire mistral-lib would be a good candidate for public contract16:12
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rakhmerovd0ugal: I kind of disagree on it, because even libraries can have their implementation part and API16:12
d0ugalrbrady: Yup, with the exception of a few things we can underscore like they do here: https://github.com/openstack/oslo.cache/tree/master/oslo_cache16:12
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d0ugalrakhmerov: hmm, it seems weird. No other library I know of does this.16:12
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mgersheno/16:13
rakhmerov#action rakhmerov: find an example of library where 'api' and 'implementation' part are explicitly separated16:13
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rakhmerov:)16:13
d0ugalhaha16:13
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d0ugalI am not going to argue the point further - but I think the norm for Python libraries is to default to public and mark private with underscores.16:14
rakhmerovI mean.. I've seen this all around in other languages16:14
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rakhmerovjava, cpp16:14
rbradyd0ugal: does the underscore denote "private to mistral_lib" or "private to mistral_lib and mistral" ?16:14
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rakhmerovmaybe it's another funny 'we simply don't need this' kind of thing in python :)16:14
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rbradyd0ugal: some of the things we want to keep private from custom action devs, we would need to use in mistral16:15
d0ugalrbrady: That's a fair point, normally it probably does mean private to mistral_lib - but given it's the same devs on both I think expanding that to mistral is fine.16:15
rakhmerovd0ugal: yeah, as far as using underscore it's ok to me16:15
rakhmerovI'm just elaborating on the principle itself16:15
d0ugalSure16:15
d0ugalAnyway, I don't mind what colour the bikeshed is really :)16:15
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rakhmerovit totally makes sense to me to have some very internal module implementing a certain function exposed outside16:16
rakhmerovok, that's clear16:16
rbradyd0ugal, rakhmerov: the other idea I had was to keep only public things in mistral_lib, e.g. exceptions16:16
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rakhmerovrbrady: ok, I think I see your concern now16:17
rbradyonly the base exceptions and action exception would need to be in mistral_lib, the other exceptions could stay in mistral proper16:17
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rakhmerovd0ugal, rbrady: I think we just should clearly separate two things in this whole story16:17
d0ugal+116:18
rakhmerovmistral_lib is a library (and python project) with two types of clients (users)16:18
rakhmerov#1. Other mistral subprojects16:18
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rakhmerov#2. Mistral users, action developers16:19
rakhmerovso, for #1 I don't see any problems to just being able to use everything from mistral-lib16:19
rakhmeroveven what's not under actions.api16:19
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rakhmerovthat's fine to me because it's all internal inter-mistral relationship16:20
d0ugalSounds good.16:20
rakhmerovwe can change this part easily w/o having to notify anyone else outside16:20
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rakhmerovas far as #2, we have the responsibility to keep it stable enough so it can be treated as some sort of API16:21
rakhmerovbecause it's related to our users16:21
rakhmerovthat's at least how I understand it16:21
rakhmerovwhat do you think?16:21
rakhmerovrbrady, d0ugal?16:22
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rakhmerovok16:22
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d0ugalI would still prefer we put only public code in mistral-lib16:23
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d0ugalI just don't understand why we want to move private code to another repo16:24
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d0ugalIf nothing else, it would make working on Mistral harder as you need to use depends-on and do updates in two places etc.16:24
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rbradyrakhmerov: I understand the points laid out.  If we intend a for mistral_lib to be heavily relied on from other mistral sub-projects I think mistral-lib might be larger.  Only having public code in mistral-lib will keep it smaller16:24
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rakhmerovyeah, I understand all this16:25
rakhmerovbut16:25
rakhmerovthis purely public code will have to rely on some implementation part16:25
rakhmerovwhere is it going be?16:25
rakhmerovit obviously can't be in mistral, for example16:26
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rakhmerovmistral can (and will) depend on mistral-lib but not the way around16:26
rbradyyes...the context and its dependency - the threading, ends up living in the public space16:26
d0ugalWhy are we having mistral depend on mistral-lib and not the other way around?16:26
d0ugalI guess we have discussed this, but I have forgotten.16:27
rbradyd0ugal: smaller dependency for custom action devs.16:27
d0ugalrbrady: Oh yeah, obvious. Sorry.16:27
rakhmerovd0ugal: regarding your point about updating things in two places, I agree. However, I think it's a trade-off we can accept. We should try to keep mistral-lib as stable as possible16:28
rakhmeroveven not api part16:28
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rakhmerovif it stays relatively stable then it won't give us too much pain with having to make updates in different repos16:28
d0ugalRight16:29
rakhmerovd0ugal: yes, it16:29
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rakhmerovit's like the following:16:29
rbradyrakhmerov: looking at the execution.py file in the initial code import - aren't these methods that will somehow have to query the db for information?16:29
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rakhmerovmistral -> mistral-lib <- mistral-extra (OpenStack actions)16:29
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rakhmerovwhere arrows means 'depends on'16:30
d0ugalrakhmerov: oh, I didn't know mistral-lib would depend on mistral-extra.16:30
rakhmerovd0ugal: no, no16:30
d0ugaloh16:30
d0ugalOther way around16:30
rakhmerovthe way around )16:30
rakhmerovyes16:30
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rakhmerovrbrady: ha! that's a good point...16:31
d0ugalOkay, so I don't really mind. We can just go ahead with the ".api." thing, but I still think it is going to be a strange choice for a python lib16:31
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rakhmerovf...k16:32
d0ugalrbrady: Where is that?16:32
rbradyd0ugal: https://github.com/openstack/mistral-lib/blob/master/mistral_lib/actions/api/execution.py16:33
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d0ugallol, rbrady look what you did! ;)16:33
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rakhmerovyeah... this is really weird16:34
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rbradyrakhmerov: is there a use case for an action needing to know what execution_id is?16:35
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rakhmerovyes, indeed16:35
rbradyrakhmerov: I've used execution info in a workflow, but not an action yet16:35
rakhmerovany asynchronous action16:35
rakhmerovrbrady: ok, here's what I think16:35
rakhmerovthose methods may not actually need DB16:36
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rakhmerovthis data like execution id etc. maybe just a contextual information always available in the current execution thread16:36
rakhmerovand those methods can be just extracting it16:37
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rakhmerovfor this particular case it maybe enough16:37
rakhmerovbut you raised a good concern actually16:37
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rakhmerovin general16:37
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rbradyrakhmerov: so would the execution info be added to the context?16:37
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rakhmerovyes, it's pretty much what we do now passing this info under special parameter 'context' that actions can optionally have16:38
rakhmerovbut in a slightly different form16:38
rakhmerovI was just thinking, for example, about other things like custom YAQL functions16:39
rakhmerovI know we're not there yet but anyway16:39
rakhmerovfor custom YAQL functions we need kind of API as well16:39
rakhmerovbut in that case I would expect that YAQL functions devs may want to query something in DB16:39
rakhmerovthrough some interface16:39
rakhmerovI dunno, I need to think about it16:40
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rakhmerovbut I would suggest we keep moving forward with this anyway and see what we're getting16:41
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rbradyrakhmerov: okay.  I will continue adding tests for the code that there and discuss the other bits later.16:41
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rakhmerovyeah, ok16:41
rakhmerovthanks16:42
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rakhmerovrbrady: btw, do you have to use a stable mistral release or you can use just latest master version?16:42
rakhmerovI might have asked you, I don't remember..16:42
rbradytripleo has been using master16:42
rakhmerovok16:43
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d0ugalKeeps things intersting :)16:43
rakhmerovrbrady: I'm asking because it seems like we won't finish this BP in N-3. Partially because I had to switch to performance issues which are also important16:43
rakhmerovand because it's our internal priority16:43
d0ugalTripleO will have to use a released version for N16:44
rbradyrakhmerov: ack.  if this doesn't make N3, can we roll it over to the next cycle and continue it?16:44
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rakhmerovand in any case, I would prefer that don't hurry with it16:44
rakhmerovrbrady: yes, that's what I'm proposing16:44
d0ugal+1, it is turning out to be quite complex :)16:44
rbradyrakhmerov: ack16:44
rakhmerovyep16:44
rbrady+116:44
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rakhmerovit will remove pressure from us (which I already have more than enough)16:45
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rakhmerovmy only concern was if you need it in N-3 or not16:45
d0ugalI think that would be fine for TripleO - it isn't actually blocking anything is it rbrady?16:45
rbradyd0ugal: nope.  it is not blocking TripleO16:45
rakhmerovokay16:46
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rakhmerovok, then let's keep discussing and working on it w/o a rush16:46
rakhmerovI'll pay more attention to this once I'll unblock my colleagues with performance16:46
rakhmerovit should happen soon I believe16:47
rbradyack16:47
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rakhmerovok16:48
rakhmerovanything else?16:49
rakhmerovbtw, are there any mysql experts on the meeting? :)16:49
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* d0ugal is thankfully not a mysql expert16:50
rakhmerov:))16:50
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d0ugalrakhmerov: Do we define which database versions we support?16:51
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rakhmerovI'm now deep in all transactional/locking/timeouting/whateverelse stuff and pretty often I lack mysql expertise actually, so I thought if somebody could help with this it'd be great16:51
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rakhmerovd0ugal: not officially yet, but practically it's mysql (>=5.6) and postgres (~ > 9.2)16:52
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d0ugalrakhmerov: right, I ask because 5.7 solves https://bugs.launchpad.net/mistral/+bug/141186816:53
openstackLaunchpad bug 1411868 in Mistral "list of tasks for an execution from API is out of order" [Medium,In progress]16:53
rakhmerovI've been learning about differences between these two for the last month and a half every day and there's such huge gap between them actually16:53
d0ugalas far as I can tell, I have not had a chance to test.16:53
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d0ugalrakhmerov: haha, yeah. I have been a heavy postgres user and mysql confuses me :)16:54
rakhmerovI can 100% say that making Mistral compatible with something else would require enormous efforts16:54
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rakhmerovd0ugal: I think we can pin it to 5.7 and greater16:54
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rakhmerovd0ugal: well, if you ask me, I don't really understand why mysql is a choice of OpenStack16:55
rakhmerovalthough sometimes ago I had a different opinion16:55
rakhmerovI found a crazy amount of things that are completely not supported by mysql16:56
d0ugalhah :)16:56
rakhmerovmaybe I'm misinterpreting though for what use cases mysql has been design16:56
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rakhmerovdesigned16:56
rakhmerovspecifically innodb engine16:56
d0ugalIt's an interesting beast :)16:56
rakhmerovdunno, but yeah... I don't know. I can tell in details what findings I made once we have a chance16:57
rakhmerovfor example, a simple example: repeatable read transactions in mysql are not true repeatable read :)16:57
d0ugalThat would be really interesting to hear16:57
rakhmerovyeah16:57
rakhmerovtons of things, no kidding16:57
rakhmerovin some case mysql even doesn't release locks acquired by some TXs after TXs are rolled back16:58
rakhmerovit's in their docs16:58
rakhmerov:)16:58
rakhmerovonly 200 TXs maximum waiting for a lock16:58
d0ugal:/16:58
rakhmerovetc etc16:58
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rakhmerovok, again, I'm not a DB expert and may not understand something yet16:59
rakhmerovbut for some reason, postgres doesn't have all those limitations16:59
rakhmerovwe have to end the meeting17:00
rakhmerovthanks for joining17:00
rbradyrakhmerov: do you have a list of the bugs?17:00
rakhmerovrbrady: which bugs?17:00
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rbradymysql perf17:00
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rbradyrakhmerov: will ask in #openstack-mistral17:00
rakhmerovooh, no actually, maybe just some of them but I'm not sure17:00
rakhmerovyes17:01
rakhmerov#endmeeting17:01
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rakhmerovrbrady: they just keep popping up as I go forward with non-locking model17:01
rakhmerovand I keep fixing them w/o always filing bugs17:01
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rbradyrakhmerov: ack17:02
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ryanpetrello#startmeeting astara18:00
openstackMeeting started Mon Aug 22 18:00:18 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is ryanpetrello. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.18:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.18:00
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ryanpetrellorods markmcclain adam_g o/18:00
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ryanpetrello#endmeeting18:15
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armaxhello21:00
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armaxI am not sure how many would be able to join21:00
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armaxsome of us have been travelling back from the mid-cycle21:00
armax#startmeeting networking21:00
openstackMeeting started Mon Aug 22 21:00:53 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is armax. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.21:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.21:00
oansonHi21:00
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trevormco/21:00
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armaxwe can keep the meeting short if need be21:01
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armaxwe can start off with announcements21:01
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armax#topic Announcements21:01
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armaxThe gate is in trouble21:01
armaxStop merging and recheck with care21:01
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dougwigit affects neutron tempest jobs, or more than that?21:02
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armaxdougwig: tempest and unit tests so far21:02
dasmwhat is the root cause? or is it multiple reasons?21:02
armax#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bugs?field.status%3Alist=NEW&field.status%3Alist=CONFIRMED&field.tag=gate-failure21:02
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Sam-I-Ammoo.21:02
armaxfor the tempest failure we have already got a root cause nailed down21:02
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armax#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bugs?field.status%3Alist=NEW&field.status%3Alist=INPROGRESS&field.tag=gate-failure21:03
armaxI just noticed the unit test failures in changes that were in the gate queue21:03
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armaxwe also experienced a break last Friday due to a tempest change21:05
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armaxbut that has been dealt with21:06
armaxpending change https://review.openstack.org/#/c/358753/ should bring the tempest side of the house back to sanity21:06
armaxbut the change just got stung by a random unit test failure21:06
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armaxso it’ll have to go through the queue once more21:06
armaxhowever with the recent instability who knows how long it’ll take to merge21:07
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dougwigyep, the gate random churn has been really high lately.21:07
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armaxright now we should all take the time to go over gate failures and gate failure fixes and make sure we have everything nailed down21:08
armaxlet’s make sure the confirmed list of gate failure is empty21:09
armaxplease21:09
armax#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bugs?field.status%3Alist=NEW&field.status%3Alist=CONFIRMED&field.tag=gate-failure21:09
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armaxwe should also go through http://status.openstack.org/elastic-recheck/ and categorize any uncategorized failure21:10
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armax#link http://status.openstack.org/elastic-recheck/data/integrated_gate.html21:10
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armaxwe should give priority review to gate failure fixes, let’s take aside refactoring and cosmetic patches for a little bit21:11
armaxanyone else has anything to add?21:12
armaxone other announcement I wanted to make was regarding the mid-cycle21:13
armaxfor those of you who did not manage to join, we’ll be sending out a report by the end of the week21:13
armaxalso this week is non-client library freeze21:14
armaxwhereas next week is Newton feature freeze21:14
armaxwhich entails requirements freeze21:14
dougwigHenryG: i think we'll want a final lib release this week.21:15
armaxanything that fails to get into libraries and client projects is deferred to Ocata unless there’s a good reason for an exception21:15
armaxdougwig, HenryG: ok, let’s make sure we have something in gerrit by the end of today21:15
armaxHenryG is in CEST this week I think21:15
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njohnstonIs python-neutronclient considered a 'non-client library' at this point?21:16
dougwigarmax: when is the due date for the patch to releases?  i'm not expecting any new gerrit patches into the lib, but a few existing ones, and the ones we merged last week.21:16
dougwigif it's today, i'll submit that later.21:16
armaxdougwig: ok so do you see as a simple refresh?21:17
armaxnjohnston: I consider it a client library21:17
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njohnstonarmax: Thanks for the clarification21:17
dougwigarmax: no, we have base model stuff and one other big one from last week.  it has a few fixes pending, all submitted already21:18
dougwigi'd like to get those in this week, then release.21:18
armaxok21:18
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armaxlet me ping you offline to see to get a more detailed picture21:19
dougwigok21:19
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armaxif there’s nothing else, I’d rather take the 40 minutes back and crack down on some of the issues that have popped up lately21:20
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mlavalle++21:21
dasanind_armax: the clean up api-ref should be completed this week then?21:21
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armaxdasanind_: it’s gonna have to be ongoing21:21
oansonI have a question about the transaction guard around the port methods.21:21
armaxoanson: shoot21:21
oansonIn ML2. From  https://review.openstack.org/#/c/275110/21:21
oansonI was wondering what is the long term plans to allow external L3 service plugins to call these methods from within transactions21:21
oansonInstead of the GUARD_TRANSACTION=false workaround.21:22
armaxkevinbenton has promised us a fix, but before doing that we need to disentagle the code a bit21:22
dasanind_armax: as you mentioned the neutron-lib will freeze this week. so the api-ref's that will not be completed will go in  the next release then?21:22
armaxdasanind_: correct21:22
dasanind_armax: thank you21:22
armaxkevinbenton: ^ wanna elaborate further?21:23
kevinbentonthere is no long term to allow that21:23
armaxoanson: feel free to reach to kevinbenton in the #openstack-neutron channel21:23
kevinbentonit's fundamentally incompatible with ML221:24
kevinbentonthe fix is going to be to correctly manage the life-cycle of a port independent of a DB transaction21:24
armaxkevinbenton: right, thanks for clearing that up21:25
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oansonkevinbenton, thanks.21:25
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armaxoanson: calling core plugin methods within transactions has never been a good thing21:25
dougwigdasanind_: but, the api-ref work will continue without a pause.  it doesn't need a pypi release to continue the work.21:25
oansonarmax, I see. I wanted to understand the bigger picture before re-writing some of our code.21:26
armaxand must be prevented21:26
dasanind_dougwig: makes sense21:27
armaxoanson: the problem stems from the fact that core plugin methods may execute actions that cannot be rolled back21:27
armaxlike backend operations21:27
armaxok21:27
oansonSo in any case plugins should be given a chance to execute their code before these operations.21:27
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oansonSo that if the plugins fail, they have a chance to roll back?21:28
armaxI am not sure I understand the question21:29
oansonThe issue we ran into is in the router_add_interface method in l3 service plugin. We wanted to tie the version modification to the router modification's session, so that it'd be atomic.21:30
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armaxoanson: do you have a patch?21:30
armaxwe can take the discussion on the review itself21:30
armaxI’d like to end the meeting21:30
oansonarmax, that's code that's already merged21:31
oansonBut we can take the discussion off-line.21:31
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armaxoanson: that code that you’re looking at must be rewritten21:31
oansonarmax, that's what I feared.21:31
armax#endmeeting21:31
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