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| oneswig | #startmeeting scientific_wg | 09:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Aug 17 09:00:47 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is oneswig. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 09:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 09:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: scientific_wg)" | 09:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'scientific_wg' | 09:00 |
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| oneswig | #link Agenda from wiki https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Scientific_working_group#IRC_Meeting_August_17th_2016 | 09:01 |
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| oneswig | Good morning all | 09:01 |
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| dariov | good morning! | 09:01 |
| priteau | Good morning | 09:01 |
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| jakeyip | hi | 09:01 |
| oneswig | Hi there! | 09:02 |
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| blairo | evening | 09:02 |
| oneswig | blairo: where's the '1'? | 09:02 |
| oneswig | #chair blairo | 09:02 |
| openstack | Current chairs: blairo oneswig | 09:02 |
| blairo | wondered whether you'd notice | 09:02 |
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| oneswig | I miss nothing (except family birthdays) | 09:03 |
| blairo | coming to you live from the office tonight | 09:03 |
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| oneswig | The Presidential suite? | 09:03 |
| dariov | lol | 09:03 |
| blairo | (where i have my client configured properly for my irc bouncer) | 09:03 |
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| oneswig | Aha, well lets get the show on the road - I don't think there's a massive amount this week, it's holiday season over here | 09:04 |
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| oneswig | #topic Accounting and Scheduling | 09:04 |
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| oneswig | Did you see the mail from Danielle Mundle? | 09:04 |
| oneswig | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/user-committee/2016-August/001186.html | 09:04 |
| blairo | re. quota study? | 09:04 |
| oneswig | that's the one. Seemed relevant to some in this wG | 09:04 |
| dariov | yep, saw that | 09:05 |
| blairo | yes i volunteered (i they can accommodate me being away next two weeks) | 09:05 |
| dariov | I think a couple of guys here might be interested, but they’re on holiday for the next two weeks ;-) | 09:05 |
| dariov | bad timing | 09:05 |
| blairo | in the last UX thing i did (horizon mock-up review) i made some comments around quotas and the nectar use-cases | 09:05 |
| oneswig | Quite an involved approach to have a video interview but it sounds like it could be useful way to capture feedback | 09:06 |
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| blairo | would be good to formalise that | 09:06 |
| blairo | it's particularly relevant to large distributed clouds running cells i think | 09:06 |
| blairo | yeah i guess they are after qualitative rather than quantitative data | 09:07 |
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| oneswig | I recall Tim Bell's gripe was the combination of a user quota and a group quota | 09:08 |
| oneswig | I hope that's well covered in their survey | 09:08 |
| blairo | reminds me i have not been back to review, summarise, share the results of the research/science cloud survey we knocked up for austin | 09:08 |
| oneswig | perfect holiday activity? | 09:08 |
| blairo | could be (if my wife is not looking ;-) | 09:09 |
| oneswig | You take concerns over data confidentiality very seriously, that's impressive :-) | 09:09 |
| oneswig | OK well I think that's the UX message covered | 09:10 |
| priteau | In Chameleon the main pain point about quota is that they get out of sync regularly, and have to be corrected manually in the database. I have seen it reported on launchpad, anyone here seen it as well? | 09:10 |
| oneswig | Was there more on accounting and scheduling to cover? | 09:10 |
| blairo | i think cern in particular want a nested quota structure that works for a department - project/team - individual layered approach | 09:10 |
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| dariov | same here blairo | 09:10 |
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| dariov | we actually discussed with Tim on that back in march I guess | 09:11 |
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| dariov | we would *love* to have the same thing at the EBI | 09:11 |
| blairo | priteau: yes we have that problem in many large deployments i think | 09:11 |
| dariov | it would solve many problems | 09:11 |
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| oneswig | Good points people - stand up and be heard | 09:11 |
| blairo | in nectar our cron box runs a regular quota sync task | 09:11 |
| dariov | like the “Give the PI a big quota, and then let him decide how to split it among his people” kind of thing | 09:11 |
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| blairo | dariov: ok, well i'll be sure to make sure the UX folks are aware of that requirement and the people interested in it | 09:12 |
| dariov | this would save some paint at our cloud guys | 09:12 |
| dariov | blairo, thanks | 09:12 |
| blairo | tim has blogged pretty extensively on this already so i think we can just say: that please | 09:12 |
| oneswig | #link Sign up here for UX discussions http://doodle.com/poll/7tid473za2hpi6e7 | 09:13 |
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| oneswig | Any more to cover on this? | 09:13 |
| blairo | maybe one thing | 09:14 |
| blairo | priteau: i can point you to what we're doing in nectar for quota sync (i'm not intimately familiar with the code but sounds like it may be the same problem) | 09:15 |
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| blairo | that was all | 09:15 |
| oneswig | #topic User stories | 09:15 |
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| priteau | blairo: I'd like to take a look if you've got the scripts in a public repo. I have found another one on GitHub as well | 09:15 |
| oneswig | OK I'm still working away on the OpenStack/HPC paper but I've realised I need some more data points, perhaps you can help | 09:16 |
| blairo | priteau: details here: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-operators/2015-March/006596.html | 09:17 |
| priteau | thanks blairo | 09:17 |
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| oneswig | Thanks blairo looks handy | 09:18 |
| oneswig | You might have seen on the operators list, I'm looking for an IB user, ideally in production | 09:18 |
| oneswig | Thought there were loads, turns out not so much | 09:18 |
| oneswig | Does anyone know one? | 09:19 |
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| blairo | you might be first oneswig o_0 | 09:19 |
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| oneswig | I don't have IB (although I might be getting some second-hand kit to experiment with) | 09:20 |
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| dariov | so, just because I’m noob, what’s an IB? | 09:20 |
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| oneswig | Jon Mills said they used to, but found IPoIB was slower than 10GE | 09:20 |
| oneswig | IB = infiniband, sorry | 09:20 |
| blairo | ah yes, crossing my link-layers - cambridge has SN2700 ethernet fabric too | 09:20 |
| dariov | ah-ah | 09:20 |
| dariov | thnx | 09:21 |
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| verdurin | Morning. I will have it shortly, as I've already told oneswig. | 09:21 |
| oneswig | Thanks verdurin, and good morning | 09:21 |
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| blairo | oneswig: are you wanting folks that are doing IB all the way to guest, i.e., sriov, or just using IB as their DC interconnect ? | 09:22 |
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| oneswig | Well I'm not sure, whatever turns up | 09:22 |
| blairo | (i assumed the former, but realised i could be wrong) | 09:22 |
| blairo | ok | 09:23 |
| oneswig | I'm trying to think of ways an HPC user might think of what OpenStack can't do | 09:23 |
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| oneswig | I think I'm trying to prove an apple is an orange | 09:23 |
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| blairo | so long as there are no lemons involved i don't see a problem | 09:24 |
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| oneswig | Right! Bowled you a slow one there :-) | 09:24 |
| blairo | like australia against sri lanka | 09:25 |
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| oneswig | I think I missed that one | 09:25 |
| oneswig | underarm? | 09:25 |
| blairo | clean sweep of latest test series to them | 09:25 |
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| oneswig | There's a strange randomness to cricket outcomes I don't fully understand | 09:26 |
| oneswig | OK, I'll keep looking. Anything else to cover on user stories? | 09:26 |
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| blairo | i'm finally reading your draft now oneswig | 09:26 |
| oneswig | blairo: great thanks, appreciate that | 09:27 |
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| oneswig | #topic Bare metal | 09:28 |
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| oneswig | I don't think I have anything on bare metal this week. What's new in the Ironic world? | 09:28 |
| oneswig | verdurin: will your new cluster be bare metal with IB or virtualised? | 09:29 |
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| oneswig | Think he's gone...? | 09:31 |
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| oneswig | OK lets move on | 09:32 |
| priteau | oneswig: All the multi-tenant network support appears to have been committed, but we have yet to evaluate it | 09:32 |
| blairo | probably to get coffee | 09:32 |
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| oneswig | priteau: great, thanks for the update on that, good to know | 09:32 |
| oneswig | I'll be interested to see how they are mapping physical machines to physical network ports - do you know? | 09:33 |
| priteau | I think you have to define the port number when registering a node | 09:33 |
| oneswig | Ah OK, defer the mapping problem... | 09:33 |
| oneswig | This might be something the Ironic Inspector could learn, I wonder | 09:34 |
| oneswig | cogs whirring | 09:34 |
| oneswig | priteau: BTW did you get any further with your patches for Blazard? | 09:34 |
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| priteau | oneswig: not yet unfortunately | 09:35 |
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| oneswig | ok, just wondering. A big set of patches can be like being carried away by a helium balloon - the longer you leave it, the more it'll hurt | 09:36 |
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| oneswig | OK, move on? | 09:36 |
| oneswig | #topic Parallel filesystems | 09:37 |
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| oneswig | I believe the team at Cambridge have got Lustre into their VMs but I don't know how it's performing. Progress for them though. | 09:38 |
| verdurin | oneswig: virtualised, at least initially | 09:38 |
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| verdurin | We plan to investigate GPFS into our VMs | 09:38 |
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| blairo | good to hear | 09:39 |
| oneswig | verdurin: via IB I assume? | 09:39 |
| verdurin | oneswig: preferably. Ethernet is possible, too. | 09:39 |
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| oneswig | verdurin: how close are you to getting this system up and running? | 09:39 |
| blairo | ours on M3 is going fine, still tuning the filesystem for performance at a more basic level, no performance issues caused by sriov at this stage | 09:40 |
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| verdurin | oneswig: not very - super busy with other stuff but people are starting to ask about it more, so I'll have to find the time | 09:40 |
| oneswig | blairo: That's Lustre right? | 09:40 |
| blairo | yep | 09:41 |
| blairo | using o2ib LNET | 09:41 |
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| oneswig | dariov: what do you use at EBI? | 09:41 |
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| dariov | oneswig, NetApp I think | 09:42 |
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| dariov | but the guys are moving loads of stuff lately | 09:42 |
| dariov | so I might need to check with them | 09:42 |
| oneswig | Be interesting to hear what they migrate to | 09:42 |
| oneswig | If that's the plan | 09:42 |
| dariov | I don’t think | 09:42 |
| dariov | we got “some” new kits coming in in the near future | 09:43 |
| dariov | when they’ll be here they’ll start migrating everything to Mitaka | 09:44 |
| blairo | oneswig: one thing to be aware of that i discovered recently is that device passthrough, e.g. for sriov NICs/HCAs, means that transparent huge pages cannot be allocated by the host | 09:44 |
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| oneswig | Giving a consequence for memory-intensive workloads? | 09:44 |
| blairo | (because IOMMU requires guest memory to be pinned) | 09:44 |
| dariov | but the storage backend will be the same | 09:45 |
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| oneswig | If guest memory must be pinned what effect does that have on things like KSM, overcommitment and ballooning? | 09:45 |
| blairo | yes will probably be very sucky for memory intensive workloads if you have very large guests (as bigger memory footprint means more top-level TLB misses) | 09:45 |
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| blairo | e.g. 200+GB of 4kB pages | 09:46 |
| blairo | but! you just have to know to use static huge pages instead | 09:46 |
| oneswig | Can you note this in the doc? Pearls of wisdom from Down Under | 09:46 |
| blairo | i don't have any numbers yet that quantify this, but i hope to produce something at least anecdotal | 09:46 |
| blairo | copy | 09:47 |
| oneswig | Thanks! | 09:47 |
| oneswig | OK, AOB? | 09:47 |
| blairo | and yes, that would impact KSM etc, but you already want those disabled if you care about HPC-like performance | 09:47 |
| oneswig | right | 09:47 |
| oneswig | but perhaps this means you must have them disabled? | 09:47 |
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| oneswig | #topic AOB | 09:48 |
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| oneswig | I had an interesting problem this week | 09:48 |
| oneswig | Mellanox NICs, anyone got those? ;-) | 09:48 |
| blairo | not sure about ballooning as does that even work in libvirt+kvm reliably? but for KSM and overcommit just means they won't work | 09:48 |
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| oneswig | We've had this kernel barf whenever a TCP connection is initiated via VXLAN | 09:49 |
| oneswig | Does anyone see that? | 09:49 |
| blairo | though if you are overcommitting by force, like with nova scheduler, it probably means you'll end up DOS-ing your compute nodses | 09:49 |
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| blairo | i.e. they'll OOM | 09:49 |
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| blairo | haven' | 09:50 |
| blairo | haven't tried any VXLAN traffic on them yet, but we are quite close to doing that with midonet | 09:50 |
| oneswig | Midonet? Interesting. We have VXLAN+OVS and VLAN+SRIOV networks | 09:51 |
| blairo | sounds worrisome | 09:51 |
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| oneswig | Only the VXLAN ones have this issue with kernel backtraces | 09:51 |
| blairo | latest firmware+driver i take it? | 09:51 |
| oneswig | I think so. | 09:52 |
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| blairo | oh, do you the Pro models specifically that support VXLAN and GRE offload? | 09:52 |
| oneswig | Working on it now with support - I'll report back | 09:52 |
| blairo | *you mean | 09:52 |
| oneswig | Don't think so, we have ConnectX4-LX | 09:52 |
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| oneswig | Don't recall any reference to pro on these ones | 09:52 |
| blairo | yeah all newer cards just support that | 09:52 |
| blairo | but earlier CX-3 cards did not | 09:53 |
| blairo | mellanox will tell you they are all pro now ;-) | 09:53 |
| oneswig | I think we must be doing something wrong: VXLAN bandwidth is ~1.6Gbits/s at best - on a 50G link | 09:53 |
| blairo | fineprint: except for the bugs | 09:53 |
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| oneswig | That's for iperf. If there's a hardware offload, it's not engaging | 09:54 |
| blairo | yeah definitely | 09:54 |
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| oneswig | Question is, what counts for decent bandwidth in a VXLAN world? I don't have much hope for it. | 09:54 |
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| oneswig | Through SR-IOV, we sustained 10.5GBytes/s (bi-directional) | 09:55 |
| oneswig | brb | 09:55 |
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| blairo | well i believe early testing in nectar land with iperf over midonet (which is just vxlan once established) managed 4-5Gbps melbourne to queensland (no h/w offload) | 09:56 |
| oneswig | midonet is based on OVS too, right? | 09:56 |
| blairo | yeah OVS dataplane | 09:56 |
| oneswig | standard MTU? It appears to be massively interrupt-dominant in the hypervisor | 09:56 |
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| oneswig | #endmeeting | 10:16 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Aug 17 10:16:26 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 10:16 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_wg/2016/scientific_wg.2016-08-17-09.00.html | 10:16 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_wg/2016/scientific_wg.2016-08-17-09.00.txt | 10:16 |
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| prometheanfire | o/ | 12:00 |
| tonyb | #startmeeting requirements | 12:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Aug 17 12:00:15 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tonyb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 12:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 12:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'requirements' | 12:00 |
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| tonyb | #topic rollcall | 12:00 |
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| prometheanfire | o/ | 12:00 |
| tonyb | we have me and prometheanfire who else? | 12:00 |
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| coolsvap_ | o/ | 12:01 |
| toabctl | hi | 12:02 |
| sdake_ | yo folks :) morning | 12:02 |
| sdake_ | although not atteending this meeting - thought i'd say hi :) | 12:02 |
| * coolsvap_ is here but bit occupied at couple of places | 12:02 | |
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| toabctl | dirk is on vacation | 12:02 |
| tonyb | sdake_: howday ... come to the view stay for the fun :) | 12:02 |
| sdake_ | i'll lurk ;) | 12:03 |
| sdake_ | then | 12:03 |
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| tonyb | #topic agenda | 12:03 |
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| tonyb | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Requirements#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 12:03 |
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| tonyb | #topic Any controversies in the Queue? | 12:03 |
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| prometheanfire | no? | 12:04 |
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| tonyb | the dogtag-pki one isn't a problem but personaly I'm not 100% certain it's right | 12:04 |
| tonyb | so I think we're basically okay | 12:05 |
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| toabctl | tonyb, what's wrong with it? | 12:05 |
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| prometheanfire | ya, that one is more odd | 12:05 |
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| prometheanfire | the dep on python-nss makes it more odd | 12:06 |
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| tonyb | toabctl: like we talked about in the requirements channel I'm preety sure that nss shoudln't be in g-r but I haven't actually done any testing. | 12:06 |
| toabctl | tonyb, you mean python-nss , right? | 12:06 |
| tonyb | toabctl: Yeah. | 12:06 |
| toabctl | hm. I'm not sure about that tbh | 12:07 |
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| toabctl | th thing is that when you do a "pip install python-nss" it installs version 0.17 or something. but for python3 support we need 1.0.0beta1 at least. | 12:08 |
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| tonyb | toabctl: Hmm okay that's strange | 12:09 |
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| toabctl | tonyb, I guess pip installs the latest non-beta/rc/dev release. | 12:09 |
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| tonyb | toabctl: Yeah that could be it. | 12:10 |
| prometheanfire | you can't pass it the constraint and make sure it installs that? | 12:10 |
| tonyb | toabctl: like what prometheanfire says. | 12:11 |
| toabctl | $ pip install python-nss>=1.0.0beta1 | 12:11 |
| toabctl | ^^ like that? | 12:11 |
| tonyb | toabctl: not quite | 12:12 |
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| toabctl | hm. then I don't get the question. sorry | 12:12 |
| tonyb | add python-nss to upper-constraints.txt | 12:12 |
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| tonyb | then pip install -c upper-constraints.txt dogtag-pki | 12:12 |
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| tonyb | *should* get the beta1 version without it needing to be in g-r | 12:13 |
| toabctl | that works iirc | 12:13 |
| tonyb | toabctl: okay. that's what I'd expect. | 12:13 |
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| tonyb | So I think we should move on | 12:15 |
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| tonyb | #topic Additional Gating | 12:15 |
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| toabctl | yeah. Not sure if I understood what you expect but we can discuss that in the changeset | 12:15 |
| tonyb | do we have anythign for that or can we remove it form the agenda? | 12:16 |
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| prometheanfire | tonyb: I think we were looking at even more coverage, but nothing specific | 12:16 |
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| tonyb | toabctl: sure. Like I said I haven't done my local testing to *know* what (if anything) needs to be done | 12:17 |
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| tonyb | prometheanfire: okay. | 12:17 |
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| tonyb | I guess that brings us to .... | 12:18 |
| tonyb | #topic Tasks from Etherpad | 12:18 |
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| tonyb | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/requirements-tasks | 12:18 |
| tonyb | ... I added some stuff to item 7 for things that 'Additional Gating' might/should do | 12:19 |
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| prometheanfire | I added an item as well | 12:20 |
| prometheanfire | figure out _ vs - in the canonical names for django_openstack_auth, glance-store and ironic-lib (etc) | 12:20 |
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| tonyb | We probably need to make anything that writes packages names to a constraints file do so in canonical form. Assuming pip does the right thing if ... | 12:22 |
| tonyb | the constraints file contains foo_bar and the pip install -c .... foo-bar | 12:22 |
| tonyb | (or vice versa) | 12:23 |
| prometheanfire | ya, I think the reason things are confused is that we allow both in reviews | 12:23 |
| tonyb | anyone wnat to run with that? | 12:23 |
| prometheanfire | it's been on my radar, just busy | 12:23 |
| tonyb | I s'pose we could warn/error/fail if *new* things are NOT in canonical form | 12:24 |
| tonyb | okay, wanna add you name to it and maybe add a "review assignment date" in a month? | 12:24 |
| prometheanfire | ya, just need to have a test for that | 12:25 |
| tonyb | kinda like a timed mutex | 12:25 |
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| tonyb | Anything else for tasks? | 12:27 |
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| tonyb | Seems not ..... | 12:29 |
| tonyb | #topic Volunteer for next 2 meetings | 12:29 |
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| tonyb | - Aug 24th? | 12:29 |
| * tonyb can't do it | 12:29 | |
| tonyb | coolsvap: already said no .... | 12:29 |
| prometheanfire | I thought we had someone for next week | 12:29 |
| tonyb | prometheanfire: I'll check the logs again but it didn't make it to the wiki ... | 12:30 |
| prometheanfire | guess not | 12:30 |
| prometheanfire | I can do it | 12:30 |
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| tonyb | prometheanfire: good man | 12:31 |
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| tonyb | - Aug 31st? | 12:31 |
| coolsvap | I can do Aug 31 | 12:31 |
| tonyb | coolsvap: Thanks | 12:31 |
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| tonyb | #topic Open Discussion | 12:33 |
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| tonyb | anything .... | 12:33 |
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| tonyb | number80: has a thing but isn't here ... I might drop it from the agenda | 12:33 |
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| tonyb | Well it's open discussion so I can tell you that they're cooking empanadas on TV and it's torture .... | 12:35 |
| tonyb | if we don't have anything else shall we have 25mins back? | 12:35 |
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| prometheanfire | nah | 12:36 |
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| tonyb | going once .... | 12:37 |
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| tonyb | going twice .... | 12:37 |
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| tonyb | gone | 12:38 |
| tonyb | Thanks all! | 12:38 |
| tonyb | #endmeeting | 12:38 |
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| joehuang | hello | 13:00 |
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| yinxiulin | hello | 13:00 |
| ronghui | hi | 13:00 |
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| joehuang | #startmeeting tricircle | 13:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Aug 17 13:01:01 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is joehuang. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tricircle' | 13:01 |
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| liukun | hi | 13:01 |
| joehuang | #topic rollcall | 13:01 |
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| joehuang | #info joehuang | 13:01 |
| joehuang | hi, liukun | 13:01 |
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| zhiyuan | #info zhiyuan | 13:01 |
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| Dongfeng | #info dongfeng | 13:01 |
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| yinxiulin | #info xiulin | 13:01 |
| ronghui | #info ronghui | 13:01 |
| Yipei_ | #info Yipei | 13:01 |
| ronghui | #info ronghui | 13:01 |
| joehuang | #topic progress review o features | 13:02 |
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| joehuang | hello, for policy based api authorization, I just submitted a patch | 13:02 |
| hejiawei | hi | 13:02 |
| joehuang | hi | 13:02 |
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| leyuquan | hi | 13:02 |
| yinxiulin | I finished the nova_apigw microversion feature, and Jenkins has passed | 13:03 |
| liuzeyu | hi | 13:03 |
| joehuang | so that the API authorization could be done based on policy | 13:03 |
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| joehuang | hi, all | 13:03 |
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| joehuang | to Xiulin, good to know the microversion feature passed the jekin test | 13:04 |
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| hejiawei | I write a patch to force detach a volume ,I'm learning how to test it | 13:04 |
| joehuang | how about the py27 unit test? | 13:04 |
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| joehuang | to Jiawei, good job | 13:04 |
| yinxiulin | ok | 13:04 |
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| yinxiulin | py27 passed | 13:04 |
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| joehuang | to Xiulin, good news, then we can begin to review the patch | 13:05 |
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| zhiyuan | for me, patches for floating ip deletion and subnet deletion have been submitted. router deletion is under development. | 13:05 |
| joehuang | Hi, Jawei, you can learn by patches which had been merged | 13:05 |
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| Yipei_ | about dynamic pod binding, i submitted a patch, but it still needs to be improved. So i did not add you guys into the reviewer list. i will improve it based on Zhiyuan's comments first. | 13:06 |
| hejiawei | ok, | 13:06 |
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| joehuang | you can search all merged patches here: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/tricircle | 13:07 |
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| joehuang | To Yipei, it's a great progress :) | 13:08 |
| ronghui | there is some reception work this last week and this week, and for the blog i have question how to add the picture in the wiki | 13:08 |
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| ronghui | and solve this problem i will finish this blog today | 13:09 |
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| joehuang | you can try edit some wiki pages which include pictures(but don't submit), you can learn how to add picture | 13:10 |
| Yipei_ | @joe, i will go on improving it | 13:10 |
| joehuang | add the link in the wiki first, then if you click the link, you have to upload a new picture | 13:11 |
| ronghui | ok i will try this and to submit the blog today as much as possible | 13:11 |
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| joehuang | to Zhiyuan, great job | 13:11 |
| joehuang | I'll try tempest test cases for server start/stop based on your patches | 13:13 |
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| joehuang | So everybody is encouraged to review other | 13:13 |
| joehuang | 's patch | 13:13 |
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| Dongfeng | the documentation on pod and pod binding may be not perfect. because I don't understand the functions very well. If there are some mistakes please tell me. next i am studying tempest test for pod features. | 13:13 |
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| zhiyuan | to joe, fine, but you need to merge all the patches first locally :) | 13:14 |
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| joehuang | To Dongfeng, thank you, will review it soon | 13:14 |
| Dongfeng | ok. | 13:15 |
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| joehuang | You can also refer to http://developer.openstack.org/api-ref.html | 13:16 |
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| joehuang | which is the api guide from OpenStack | 13:16 |
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| joehuang | next topic | 13:18 |
| joehuang | #topic open discussion | 13:18 |
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| joehuang | how do you think about the risk for the feature parity implementation | 13:19 |
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| joehuang | and other topics | 13:20 |
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| zhiyuan | the risk for neutron part is that whether we are going to support UPDATE operation | 13:20 |
| zhiyuan | some UPDATE operation may not be easy to implement | 13:21 |
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| joehuang | will the update operation block tempest for other features? We did not open tempest test on any Neutron feature for Tricircle plugin yet | 13:22 |
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| zhiyuan | server attach detach interface operation may rely on port UPDATE operation | 13:24 |
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| joehuang | how about only support port update in this cycle | 13:25 |
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| hejiawei | when I test my environment ,I can't attach a volume to server ,have the attach patch been finished? | 13:26 |
| zhiyuan | maybe we decide what to support based on tempest test for server | 13:26 |
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| zhiyuan | if server tempest test need port UPDATE, we just implement it | 13:27 |
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| joehuang | yes, based on the needed for tempest test | 13:28 |
| joehuang | needed->need | 13:28 |
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| joehuang | To jiawei and zhiyuan, volume attchment has been implemented | 13:31 |
| hejiawei | I will try it again. | 13:32 |
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| ronghui | and how to attach the volume to the VM we just try the command "nova volume-attach #volume-ID" | 13:33 |
| zhiyuan | to jiawei, if you still have problem, you can send out the log and error message via mail list | 13:33 |
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| ronghui | is the command right? | 13:34 |
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| ronghui | or should we need to add the os-region-name? | 13:34 |
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| hejiawei | ok,got it | 13:34 |
| zhiyuan | no need to add os-region-name | 13:35 |
| joehuang | add --debug to see what happened | 13:35 |
| ronghui | ok | 13:35 |
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| joehuang | for example nova --debug volume-attach or openstack --debug | 13:35 |
| ronghui | ok we will try it | 13:36 |
| joehuang | other topics? | 13:36 |
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| zhiyuan | no | 13:37 |
| Yipei_ | no for me | 13:37 |
| ronghui | no for me if there is another problem we will send email to you | 13:37 |
| Dongfeng | no | 13:37 |
| yinxiulin | no | 13:37 |
| hejiawei | no | 13:37 |
| joehuang | ok, let's end the meeting | 13:37 |
| liukun | no | 13:37 |
| ronghui | ok | 13:37 |
| joehuang | thank you | 13:37 |
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| joehuang | #endmeeting | 13:37 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 13:37 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Aug 17 13:37:37 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:37 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2016/tricircle.2016-08-17-13.01.html | 13:37 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2016/tricircle.2016-08-17-13.01.txt | 13:37 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2016/tricircle.2016-08-17-13.01.log.html | 13:37 |
| zhiyuan | bye | 13:37 |
| syk | ok | 13:37 |
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| krotscheck | #startmeeting javascript | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Aug 17 14:00:02 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is krotscheck. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| krotscheck | Gooood morning everyone! | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: javascript)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'javascript' | 14:00 |
| krotscheck | #chair vkramskikh | 14:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: krotscheck vkramskikh | 14:00 |
| vkramskikh | hello | 14:00 |
| msmol | mornin' | 14:00 |
| yujunz | Good evening! | 14:00 |
| krotscheck | yujunz! You're here! | 14:00 |
| krotscheck | Yi! | 14:00 |
| krotscheck | Hi! I mean | 14:00 |
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| krotscheck | #link Agenda: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/javascript-meeting-2016-08-17 | 14:00 |
| krotscheck | #topic Action Followup | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Action Followup (Meeting topic: javascript)" | 14:01 | |
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| krotscheck | Alright, so vkramskikh managed to propose (and land) the eslint 4.0.1 update | 14:01 |
| cardeois | hello | 14:01 |
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| krotscheck | I've been trying to convince infra to land our patches, with mixed results. There's a lot of pressure to get bindep landed first, which is tricky because AJaeger is in germany and just went on vacation. | 14:01 |
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| krotscheck | Upside, we have a docs draft build | 14:02 |
| krotscheck | (which I'm currently testing with https://review.openstack.org/#/c/356481/) | 14:02 |
| cardeois | but didn't you do the bindep thing already? | 14:02 |
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| krotscheck | cardeois: It's one thing to do the work, it's another to find two members from a different, busy team to +2 it :( | 14:03 |
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| cardeois | alright | 14:04 |
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| krotscheck | There's a bunch of projects that are under the infra banner that I can't +2, since I write most of the patches. Ergo, we have to convince two non-javascript types from the infra team to +2 it, and they're a little allergic to javascript | 14:04 |
| krotscheck | I'm currently working on the keystone version selection API, more details later in the meeting. | 14:05 |
| krotscheck | Has anyone thought about how to handle microversions at all? | 14:05 |
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| yujunz | What's it about? | 14:05 |
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| krotscheck | #link https://specs.openstack.org/openstack/api-wg/guidelines/microversion_specification.html | 14:05 |
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| krotscheck | Basically, each service will slowly increment their versinos based on changes. | 14:06 |
| krotscheck | That version is communicated via a header: "OpenStack-API-Version: <servicename> ##.##" | 14:06 |
| krotscheck | Fact is that microversions can very easily break our client library if we're not careful. | 14:07 |
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| krotscheck | So we'll have to be careful about how/which versions we can support. | 14:07 |
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| krotscheck | At the moment it's not so much a problem, because we're really just making HTTP requests on our user's behalfs. | 14:07 |
| msmol | do we want to support *every* version or a subset? | 14:08 |
| krotscheck | But once we start writing convenience methods, that gets tricky. | 14:08 |
| krotscheck | msmol: Exactly. I don't know. | 14:08 |
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| krotscheck | Even if we support a subset, how do we test that subset? | 14:08 |
| cardeois | I think we should support at least latest version, and let people contribute older versions if they need it | 14:08 |
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| cardeois | If that's easy to plug a new version support, that shouldn't be a problem | 14:08 |
| krotscheck | cardeois: Latest as in master, or latest as in the last integrated release? | 14:09 |
| cardeois | Good question... | 14:09 |
| krotscheck | OpenStack has a 2 version deprecation cycle. | 14:09 |
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| krotscheck | Part of me is thinking that we set up gate jobs that do DSVM against release-current, release-1, and master. | 14:10 |
| krotscheck | And somehow make sure that our assumptions for the unit tests remain the same. | 14:10 |
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| krotscheck | Anyway- this is rapidly switching into design discussion - I'll take it that nobody's brainstormed on it yet? | 14:11 |
| krotscheck | Does anyone want to take that on and write a proposal? | 14:11 |
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| cardeois | Yeah that would make sense. And when a release-1 becomes a release-2, we could keep the code say it's deprecated and rely on unit tests only (cause functional tests are not possible anymore) | 14:11 |
| krotscheck | (note, we don't really have to deal with it until after Newton is released) | 14:11 |
| krotscheck | ('cause that's when we start having to support two versions rather than just master) | 14:12 |
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| krotscheck | Also, we can ask the OSC people on how they do things. | 14:12 |
| krotscheck | (openstack-client) | 14:12 |
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| krotscheck | Ok, we'll table this one for the time being. | 14:13 |
| krotscheck | #action Discuss microversions in depth next meeting | 14:13 |
| krotscheck | #topic jsdoc integration with sphinx | 14:13 |
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| krotscheck | yujunz: You've got a proposal? | 14:13 |
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| yujunz | Yes | 14:13 |
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| yujunz | Just curious that is there any existing example for library api? | 14:14 |
| yujunz | I didn't find one. | 14:14 |
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| krotscheck | yujunz Not for javascript. Probably for the various client libraries like shade or libcloud | 14:14 |
| krotscheck | #link http://docs.openstack.org/infra/shade/ | 14:15 |
| krotscheck | #link http://libcloud.readthedocs.io/en/latest/ | 14:15 |
| yujunz | OK, I'll have a look at them | 14:16 |
| krotscheck | So, your overall proposal so far is to host jsdoc on a third party site. | 14:16 |
| yujunz | Yes. | 14:17 |
| krotscheck | I _think_ there's precedent for that in OpenStack. Let me doublecheck something | 14:17 |
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| yujunz | And for the layout, the default style looks good to me. | 14:17 |
| yujunz | #link http://js-generator-openstack.openzero.net/ | 14:17 |
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| krotscheck | #link https://rally.readthedocs.io/en/latest/ | 14:17 |
| krotscheck | There's an openstack project that's hosted on readthedocs.io | 14:18 |
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| krotscheck | yujunz: Urm... wiki.zte.com.cn’s server DNS address could not be found | 14:18 |
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| krotscheck | Wow, I love the formatting on those docs. | 14:19 |
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| yujunz | #info http://openzero-zte.github.io/js-generator-openstack | 14:19 |
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| krotscheck | yujunz: Is that a statically built site that's then uploaded? | 14:19 |
| yujunz | Yes, | 14:19 |
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| yujunz | #info https://github.com/openzero-zte/js-generator-openstack/tree/gh-pages | 14:20 |
| krotscheck | yujunz: We should be able to host that on developer.openstack.org. The only question remaining would be wether the documentation team will be unhappy if we don't follow OpenStack's formatting. | 14:20 |
| yujunz | Just pushed the jsdoc_build directory to github page branch | 14:20 |
| krotscheck | But, well, some documentation is better than pretty documentation | 14:20 |
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| yujunz | We can add openstack styling in TODO list | 14:21 |
| krotscheck | I agree. | 14:21 |
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| krotscheck | HOw's everyone else feel about this? Get jsdoc output uploaded to developer.openstack.org, worry about integration into shinx later? | 14:21 |
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| vkramskikh | i'm fine with it | 14:22 |
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| betherly | sounds good to me | 14:22 |
| krotscheck | Alright | 14:22 |
| cardeois | Yeah me too, and I really like the jsdoc style | 14:22 |
| krotscheck | #agreed Keep jsdoc output unintegrated from sphinx for the moment, get uploaded with the rest of our docs. | 14:22 |
| krotscheck | yujunz: Do you have a patch that demonstrates how that documentation is built? I can get it integrated into our usual doc build. | 14:23 |
| yujunz | `npm run jsdoc` | 14:23 |
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| krotscheck | Oh, I didn't see that patch! | 14:24 |
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| yujunz | I'm sure you have +2'ed it | 14:24 |
| krotscheck | Ahh, betherly approved that one . | 14:24 |
| krotscheck | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/322881/ | 14:25 |
| yujunz | Alright... | 14:25 |
| krotscheck | Nice | 14:25 |
| krotscheck | Ok, cool. | 14:25 |
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| krotscheck | #action krotscheck get jsdoc building added to our docs build | 14:25 |
| krotscheck | Cool, does anyone else have questions on this topic before we move on? | 14:25 |
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| krotscheck | Ok | 14:26 |
| krotscheck | #topic bindep | 14:26 |
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| krotscheck | Still a few outstanding patches, see https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+branch:master+topic:bindep | 14:26 |
| krotscheck | Only the ones that are specificiall js-* are relevant to us | 14:26 |
| krotscheck | #topic Keystone Development progress | 14:27 |
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| * krotscheck is making slow, but solid progress | 14:27 | |
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| msmol | \o/ | 14:27 |
| krotscheck | I'm currently working on the versions() resource, which will hopefully provide a pattern for other resources. | 14:27 |
| betherly | woot! | 14:28 |
| krotscheck | Also, I discovered that ES6 has string variable replacement | 14:28 |
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| msmol | sorry krotscheck, I was on vacation until yesterday so I haven't been keeping up with reviews, of which I saw this morning there are a few | 14:28 |
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| krotscheck | msmol: Vacation is more important than Javascript | 14:28 |
| krotscheck | :D | 14:28 |
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| krotscheck | msmol: The real discussion about what I'm doing is the next topic. | 14:28 |
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| krotscheck | My current goal is to create a series fo methods: versions(), version(), serviceEndpoint(), and catalog(), which will take us from Logging in all the way to "We know what's running on this cloud" | 14:29 |
| krotscheck | Some of those will be cached promsies, since it doesn't really make sense to run the request more than once. | 14:29 |
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| krotscheck | My current hope is to get all that done by the end of this week. | 14:30 |
| * krotscheck is hoping things will get easier as he builds up a body of experience and copy/pasteable code :) | 14:30 | |
| krotscheck | Any questions? | 14:31 |
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| vkramskikh | can't wait to see how it will look like :) | 14:31 |
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| betherly | vkramskikh: ++ | 14:32 |
| cardeois | No question, reviewing the first steps right now | 14:32 |
| krotscheck | Coolio, moving on | 14:32 |
| krotscheck | #topic Method promise response signature | 14:32 |
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| krotscheck | Ok, so this is a messy one. | 14:32 |
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| krotscheck | 99% of requests will likely only care about the json() decoded response. | 14:33 |
| krotscheck | In some cases (as with errors or responses with header metadata) more of the request should be accessible. | 14:33 |
| krotscheck | Angular introduced $q in order to create a then((body, response) => {} ) signature (which @Krotscheck has found useful). | 14:33 |
| krotscheck | How can/should we handle this? | 14:33 |
| krotscheck | I've come up with three options. | 14:33 |
| krotscheck | Wait, four. | 14:33 |
| krotscheck | method() returns json, method.raw() returns raw response | 14:33 |
| krotscheck | problem-> Can't grab the header when a response is unexpected | 14:33 |
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| vkramskikh | "Can't grab the header when a response is unexpected" - could you please elaborate? | 14:33 |
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| vkramskikh | what is an unexpected response? | 14:34 |
| krotscheck | So, fetch() will trigger a .then() on a 3xx, 4xx, or 5xx. | 14:34 |
| krotscheck | instead of a catch() | 14:34 |
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| krotscheck | So you make a request, and get a 401 response. | 14:35 |
| krotscheck | That requires checking the WWW-Authenticate header. | 14:35 |
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| krotscheck | But since we automatically decode the json() content, the client has no idea that they've received an error response. | 14:35 |
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| krotscheck | (i.e. what if your keystone token expires) | 14:35 |
| vkramskikh | probably fail callbacks should always get raw response, though this needs to be thinked through | 14:36 |
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| cardeois | what about `method()` returning json + status code would that help? | 14:37 |
| msmol | doesn't fetch have response.ok to check that the status code is < 300 | 14:37 |
| krotscheck | Well, that's option two. | 14:37 |
| vkramskikh | or porbably our new http abstraction should treat 3xx-5xx as errors | 14:37 |
| krotscheck | method() returns { body, response }, permitting destructuring ( then({body, response}) => {} ) | 14:37 |
| krotscheck | Or (body,status, headers}, etc | 14:37 |
| cardeois | body being json object? | 14:38 |
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| krotscheck | vkramskikh: If we do that, then we have to consider the difference between a thrown exception and an error response. | 14:38 |
| krotscheck | cardeois: | 14:38 |
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| krotscheck | cardeois: Yeah, basically. Return a json structure that's consistent (enforced inside HTTP) | 14:38 |
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| krotscheck | The third option is "Do what angular did, introduce Q and use q.spread() internally." | 14:39 |
| * krotscheck played around with that one, it ended up a bit fiddly. | 14:39 | |
| krotscheck | And the last is the "Do nothing" action, Just return the raw response instance, let each developer invoke `return response.json()` | 14:39 |
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| krotscheck | So the cirst question I have is: Should we do anything? | 14:39 |
| vkramskikh | I propose to always return raw response for keystone and see how it goes | 14:40 |
| msmol | I am in favor of not introducing Q | 14:40 |
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| * krotscheck agrees with msmol | 14:40 | |
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| krotscheck | Does anyone like the idea of introducing Q? | 14:41 |
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| vkramskikh | +1 for not introducing q approach, it will be incompatible with await/async which are stage 4 since july | 14:41 |
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| krotscheck | That's three against Q, let's just drop that option. | 14:41 |
| krotscheck | We have one in favor of not making any changes. | 14:41 |
| cardeois | I'm not familiar with Q so I don't know if it' s a good idea. I don't like returning raw response where developper have to invoke `response.json`. I'm more in favor of handling `3xx - 5xx` as errors | 14:42 |
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| * krotscheck is being assaulted by an angry toddler, afk for a sec. | 14:43 | |
| cardeois | (and always return a json object). On a second choice I'm still ok if we handle all responses as a `then` but still to the json decoding, I think we can safely assume response will always be json | 14:43 |
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| cardeois | Finally, in a future development it would be nice to introduce autoreconnect if your token expired, so I guess we'll have to do some logic and catch those authentication errors | 14:44 |
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| krotscheck | cardeois: That second choice I'm not a huge fan of, since we lose the HTTP resposne status context. | 14:45 |
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| vkramskikh | i believe there should be an action item for everyone to think about the approach and propose something on the next meeting - I believe we won't decide anything today | 14:45 |
| msmol | +1 | 14:46 |
| krotscheck | I feel that it comes down to: Should we do a convenience response.json() for the user? If so, we should probably return a destructurable json object with both the body and the raw response. | 14:46 |
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| vkramskikh | this is crucial decision and needs to be thinked through thoroughly | 14:46 |
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| krotscheck | Not having a decision in place makes developing the keystone api a bit tricky. | 14:46 |
| krotscheck | But I can go down one path and modify patches as I go. | 14:46 |
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| cardeois | yes I agree to do some homework, but as I'm not very familiar with the API can anyone give some usecases we want to cover? | 14:47 |
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| vkramskikh | I think we should make json decoding and treat 3xx-5xx as an error for the user | 14:47 |
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| cardeois | And I'm fine with that krotscheck, start with what you think is best, and we'll modify once we took a decision | 14:47 |
| krotscheck | Alright, let's table this and have everyone think about it this week. | 14:48 |
| krotscheck | #action Everyone brainstorm method promise response signatures. | 14:48 |
| krotscheck | Moving on | 14:48 |
| krotscheck | Open discussion! | 14:48 |
| krotscheck | #topic Open Discussion | 14:48 |
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| krotscheck | So, there is a large but not absolute chance that my contributions to openstack will be severely limited starting in september. | 14:48 |
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| krotscheck | As such, I'd like to discuss potential contributor recruitment, elevation of new cores, and future plans for the SDK | 14:49 |
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| krotscheck | Does anyone have any ideas? | 14:50 |
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| cardeois | On our team we "could" have 2 more contributors, we definitely have to check with them, but they "could" help contribute build some code | 14:51 |
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| larainema | krotscheck, I am sorry no updates this week for glance api, I am still on travel this week and next week and have no time to work on it | 14:51 |
| krotscheck | larainema: thanks for the update, have fun traveling! | 14:52 |
| betherly | I think it would be good to have on the agenda at some point a discussion of the purpose of this team and the work we are doing so questions can be asked re the docs and people can feel included more to start contributing? | 14:52 |
| krotscheck | good call, betherly | 14:53 |
| krotscheck | cardeois Thatd be 20% time, right? | 14:53 |
| betherly | also, docs are up for eslint-config-openstack https://review.openstack.org/#/c/356473/ | 14:53 |
| krotscheck | \o/ | 14:53 |
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| msmol | krotscheck: yes, 20% | 14:53 |
| krotscheck | #action Agenda for next meeting: team purpose and scope. | 14:54 |
| betherly | when we decide when we plan to have an agenda item dedicated to education and questions we could promote that with all our connections and use it as an outreach thing | 14:54 |
| krotscheck | 5 minute warning | 14:54 |
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| krotscheck | Good idea :) | 14:55 |
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| msmol | how are we (are we?) planning on handling persistence? if our lib is used in the browser, is it up to our users to store token in local storage (meaning we need to be able to instantiate client with an existing token), or do we need a re authentication every time? | 14:56 |
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| krotscheck | betherly: I thing that might need to be fleshed out a bit more, could you do that? | 14:57 |
| vkramskikh | msmol: I think it should be up to the user | 14:57 |
| krotscheck | msmol: In the past, ive created cached promises. | 14:57 |
| betherly | krotscheck: what are you referring to? | 14:58 |
| krotscheck | betherly: outreach education. | 14:58 |
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| krotscheck | #babyproblems | 14:58 |
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| krotscheck | Ok, le'ts add that to the agenda for enxt week. | 14:58 |
| krotscheck | #action token persistence added to next week's agenda | 14:59 |
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| krotscheck | We're out of time. | 14:59 |
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| msmol | have a nice week everyone | 14:59 |
| krotscheck | #action Outreach education on next week's agenda | 14:59 |
| krotscheck | Thanks everyoen! | 14:59 |
| krotscheck | #endmeeting | 14:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Aug 17 14:59:55 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:59 |
| yujunz | Thanks | 14:59 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/javascript/2016/javascript.2016-08-17-14.00.html | 14:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/javascript/2016/javascript.2016-08-17-14.00.txt | 14:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/javascript/2016/javascript.2016-08-17-14.00.log.html | 15:00 |
| SotK | Anyone here for the storyboard meeting? | 15:00 |
| Zara | I AM | 15:00 |
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| SotK | #startmeeting storyboard | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Aug 17 15:00:27 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SotK. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'storyboard' | 15:00 |
| SotK | #link Agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/StoryBoard#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 15:00 |
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| SotK | #topic Announcements | 15:01 |
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| SotK | We have Gerrit integration! | 15:01 |
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| Zara | :D merged on review.openstack.org, anyway! | 15:01 |
| SotK | thanks to the various folk behind that :) | 15:01 |
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| Zara | I'm putting off making a #success announcement until it's turned on for projects | 15:02 |
| SotK | fair | 15:02 |
| Zara | fungi has volunteered to switch it on, http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/%23openstack-meeting/%23openstack-meeting.2016-08-16.log.html#t2016-08-16T19:19:39 | 15:02 |
| Zara | so thanks, fungi! :D | 15:02 |
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| Zara | then we will take over the worl-- I mean, then gerrit will update stories | 15:03 |
| SotK | and it will be wonderful! | 15:03 |
| fungi | yep, maybe later today. we'll see how far i manage to unroll my todo list | 15:04 |
| SotK | woo, thanks fungi | 15:04 |
| Zara | haha, yeah, i gather there were wiki fires earlier :S | 15:04 |
| Zara | thanks for fixing that | 15:04 |
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| SotK | I think that is it for announcements/urgent things | 15:05 |
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| SotK | #topic In Progress Work | 15:07 |
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| SotK | Zara: you are first on the agenda :) | 15:07 |
| Zara | oh no! | 15:07 |
| Zara | haha, okay, so the page to view all boards is merged | 15:07 |
| SotK | \o/ | 15:07 |
| Zara | and you can search boards and worklists by tasks they contain | 15:07 |
| Zara | tasks and stories | 15:07 |
| Zara | searching boards by title should work, but doesn't. | 15:07 |
| betherly | o/ | 15:07 |
| Zara | ANYWAY. it's now easier to find them | 15:07 |
| Zara | (hi betherly!) | 15:07 |
| SotK | ah, I was going to send a patch to fix that | 15:07 |
| Zara | oooh, brilliant | 15:07 |
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| Zara | yeah, that'll make it 9000x stronger | 15:07 |
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| Zara | once we have gerrit things turned on, I'll let people know on the list, because that way I can demo an automatic board in action | 15:08 |
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| Zara | I try only to announce big things so we don't spam. | 15:09 |
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| SotK | that seems sensible | 15:09 |
| Zara | hopefully that will be interesting to folks. :D | 15:09 |
| Zara | that's all from me on that | 15:09 |
| SotK | I sent patches for an events timeline for worklists and boards | 15:09 |
| Zara | \o/ | 15:09 |
| SotK | I also sent patches for notifications about worklists you're subscribed to | 15:10 |
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| SotK | said notifications are off-by-default, because of their potential to be more annoying than useful | 15:10 |
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| Zara | yay | 15:10 |
| Zara | I started reviewing the first patch in the timeline events series | 15:10 |
| Zara | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/350146/ | 15:11 |
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| Zara | found it gave an error. it's been reworked but is still giving hte same error | 15:11 |
| Zara | it doesn't break anything | 15:11 |
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| Zara | a smart person would already have the paste open in a tab so they could link it, gah | 15:11 |
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| Zara | it's in the #storyboard irc logs | 15:11 |
| Zara | anyway, that's where that's at on my side; I can continue checking it or wait | 15:12 |
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| SotK | hm, same error in the same place? :( | 15:12 |
| Zara | seems like, it's for the same actions | 15:13 |
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| Zara | #link http://paste.openstack.org/show/559057/ | 15:13 |
| Zara | that's a few different actions | 15:13 |
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| Zara | on the most recent version of the patch. maybe best to come back to it in-channel | 15:14 |
| SotK | indeed | 15:14 |
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| SotK | anything else in progress? | 15:16 |
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| Zara | matthewbodkin has just merged a patch to fix the storyboard developer docs | 15:16 |
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| Zara | I'm not sure if he's in this channel | 15:16 |
| matthewbodkin | Hellooo | 15:17 |
| Zara | hey there! :D thanks for the docs fix! | 15:17 |
| SotK | hi! | 15:17 |
| matthewbodkin | It's fine, nice thing to start off with :) | 15:17 |
| SotK | thanks :) | 15:17 |
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| SotK | hopefully our docs finally work when followed now | 15:18 |
| Zara | we say that every time :) | 15:18 |
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| matthewbodkin | Ye let's hope | 15:19 |
| Zara | :) I don't have anything else listed as in-progress; I'm on review-duty for a bit | 15:20 |
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| SotK | my next thing is to unblock the complex priorities patch, once I've fixed the events timeline | 15:20 |
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| SotK | anything else? | 15:20 |
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| Zara | realised we forgot to announce | 15:21 |
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| Zara | we had a fantastical web development meetup this week, thanks everyone! | 15:21 |
| Zara | there was lots of haribo | 15:21 |
| matthewbodkin | and cake | 15:21 |
| Zara | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/storyboard-js-meetup | 15:22 |
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| Zara | main things to come out of that were that we need to sort out eslint things and mobile view things; actual timeline for that still mysterious | 15:22 |
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| Zara | matthew is looking at a bugfix for the sidebar | 15:23 |
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| Zara | so at some point we should plan out eslint upgradeness | 15:24 |
| Zara | right that's actually all from me there | 15:24 |
| SotK | :) | 15:25 |
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| SotK | last call for anything else? | 15:25 |
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| SotK | #topic Removing incubated oslo code | 15:26 |
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| SotK | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/349070/ | 15:26 |
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| SotK | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/%23openstack-meeting/%23openstack-meeting.2016-08-16.log.html#t2016-08-16T20:37:27 | 15:26 |
| Zara | :) so this came up in last night's TC meeting, as a planned goal for Ocata | 15:27 |
| Zara | the repos for the storyboard api and the python-storyboardclient are affected | 15:27 |
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| Zara | (I kind of wish the goals were lodged *in* storyboard since I'd've noticed it way sooner, but affected projects are scattered across trackers atm, so it's not realistic to ask anyone to use a specific one) | 15:28 |
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| SotK | heh | 15:28 |
| SotK | I guess the most-work part of this will be the client | 15:29 |
| Zara | there are more affected things in storyboard | 15:29 |
| Zara | #link http://paste.openstack.org/show/550418/ | 15:29 |
| Zara | but I don't know how wide-ranging those things are | 15:29 |
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| SotK | well, the client uses oslo's deprecated apiclient thing | 15:29 |
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| SotK | I assume it has a replacement, but I am expecting to have to rework a bunch of things | 15:30 |
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| Zara | yup :( I think the best time to look at it will be sometime after I've finished reviewing events timeline things and am looking again at PUTs for worklists and boards | 15:31 |
| Zara | (and in the gaps, but that's how I intend to prioritise) | 15:31 |
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| SotK | seems sensible to me | 15:32 |
| Zara | a side-effect is that many other projects use that apiclient | 15:32 |
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| Zara | so we could be in a good position to help out there. | 15:33 |
| Zara | alternatively, if it takes ages to get to it, we'll know where to find help... | 15:33 |
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| SotK | heh :) | 15:35 |
| Zara | :) | 15:35 |
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| SotK | in the gaps is likely to be the best available time to look at extracting the other stuff from storyboard too I think | 15:35 |
| Zara | yeah | 15:35 |
| Zara | I think this goal is planned to be done by the Ocata release, so it's not like we need it tomorrow | 15:36 |
| Zara | but in practice | 15:36 |
| Zara | it's easier to do it while looking at related things | 15:36 |
| Zara | and I'd rather not worry about it | 15:36 |
| SotK | indeed | 15:36 |
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| SotK | Any other opinions on this stuff? | 15:38 |
| Zara | not from me | 15:38 |
| Zara | assume it's loosely assigned to me, I guess | 15:38 |
| SotK | #topic Open Discussion | 15:39 |
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| Zara | oh yeah! | 15:40 |
| Zara | I have travel confirmation for barcelona | 15:40 |
| SotK | me too | 15:41 |
| Zara | \o/ | 15:41 |
| Zara | so we should start thinking about summit things | 15:41 |
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| Zara | well, we probably should have done that a while ago | 15:41 |
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| Zara | though what we do depends a bit on where things are up to | 15:43 |
| Zara | re: migration | 15:43 |
| SotK | indeed | 15:43 |
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| Zara | if we have a list of stakeholders, some f2f time could be very helpful for establishing requirements; easier to see demo workflows in person and to ensure we understand things | 15:44 |
| Zara | if we have a list of requirements, hack sessions are more useful | 15:44 |
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| Zara | and I guess a status report should be handy either way | 15:45 |
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| Zara | perhaps we're best sketching out a plan for identifying stakeholders. | 15:46 |
| Zara | though I'm just thinking aloud now | 15:47 |
| SotK | yep, I imagine a status report of some kind will be useful | 15:47 |
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| persia | To take advantage of physical presence, I'd strongly suggest hack sessions, inviting the stakeholders (identified pre-summit) to attend for discussion/review of previously described expectations. | 15:48 |
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| SotK | that sounds like a sensible idea to me | 15:50 |
| Zara | okay, shall we have 1) identify stakeholders and 2) get requirements from them as goals to meet before summit? | 15:50 |
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| persia | Aside from my preference for the word "expectations" to "requirements", that sounds ideal to me. | 15:51 |
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| SotK | +1 for expectations | 15:51 |
| persia | (where "requirements" are derived from "expectations" after reviewing multiple potentially conflicting expectations to find a way to map all desired workflows, etc.) | 15:51 |
| Zara | okay, cool, that's fine | 15:51 |
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| Zara | now for the hard part xD | 15:52 |
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| SotK | :) | 15:53 |
| SotK | I suspect that will take longer than our remaining time | 15:54 |
| Zara | yeah, things are still hazy in my head so that's all from me for now | 15:54 |
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| SotK | Anything else? | 15:57 |
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| Zara | _o_ | 15:57 |
| SotK | well then, thanks everyone for your time :) | 15:57 |
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| SotK | #endmeeting | 15:57 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Aug 17 15:57:44 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:57 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2016/storyboard.2016-08-17-15.00.html | 15:57 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2016/storyboard.2016-08-17-15.00.txt | 15:57 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2016/storyboard.2016-08-17-15.00.log.html | 15:57 |
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| smcginnis | #startmeeting Cinder | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Aug 17 16:00:09 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is smcginnis. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Cinder)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cinder' | 16:00 |
| smcginnis | ping dulek duncant eharney geguileo winston-d e0ne jungleboyj jgriffith thingee smcginnis hemna xyang1 tbarron scottda erlon rhedlind jbernard _alastor_ bluex vincent_hou kmartin patrickeast sheel dongwenjuan JaniceLee cFouts Thelo vivekd adrianofr mtanino yuriy_n17 karlamrhein diablo_rojo jay.xu jgregor baumann rajinir wilson-l reduxio wanghao thrawn01 chris_morrell stevemar watanabe.isao,tommylike.hu | 16:00 |
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| yuriy_n17 | hi | 16:00 |
| e0ne | hi | 16:00 |
| erlon | hey | 16:00 |
| smcginnis | Hey everyone | 16:00 |
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| stevemar | o/ | 16:00 |
| geguileo | Hi! o/ | 16:00 |
| Swanson | hello | 16:00 |
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| scottda | hola | 16:00 |
| jgregor | Hello :) | 16:00 |
| hemna | morning | 16:00 |
| DuncanT | Greetings | 16:00 |
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| xyang1 | hi | 16:00 |
| rajinir | o/ | 16:00 |
| ntpttr___ | heyo | 16:00 |
| bswartz | .o/ | 16:00 |
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| smcginnis | #topic Announcements | 16:01 |
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| smcginnis | #link http://releases.openstack.org/newton/schedule.html Newton release schedule | 16:01 |
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| flip214 | hi | 16:01 |
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| smcginnis | Next week is the non-client library release deadline. | 16:01 |
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| jungleboyj | o/ | 16:01 |
| smcginnis | AKA os-brick | 16:01 |
| diablo_rojo | Hello | 16:01 |
| hemna | I thought it was friday? | 16:01 |
| smcginnis | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/os-brick+status:open Open os-brick reviews | 16:01 |
| jseiler | hi | 16:01 |
| _alastor_ | o/ | 16:02 |
| smcginnis | hemna: Yeah, looks like we have through next week, so a few more days. | 16:02 |
| scottda | Do we a list of os-brick priorities? | 16:02 |
| smcginnis | If anyone has anything critical outstanding there, let me know. | 16:02 |
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| hemna | ok phew | 16:02 |
| smcginnis | Not really. | 16:02 |
| diablo_rojo | hemna: Are you trying to get the patch you sent me yeaterday in? | 16:03 |
| hemna | I put up the patch to remove the locks in iSCSI and FC | 16:03 |
| diablo_rojo | Lol | 16:03 |
| smcginnis | The c-vol/n-cpu locking issue is kind of a high priority. | 16:03 |
| hemna | seems like most of the CI's are passing | 16:03 |
| jgriffith | hemna: go figure :) | 16:03 |
| smcginnis | hemna: I don't think that's actually what we want, but we'll see. | 16:03 |
| DuncanT | An awful lot of unanswered -1s on brick patches there | 16:03 |
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| hemna | that needs to be rally tested | 16:03 |
| jgriffith | hemna: the only ones I think should be affected are Pure, Dell and 3Par | 16:03 |
| hemna | jgriffith, yah | 16:03 |
| jgriffith | Maybe others I don't know about but those are the main ones | 16:03 |
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| smcginnis | hemna: This is actually the approach I think they were looking for: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/356532/ | 16:04 |
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| jgriffith | shared target devices | 16:04 |
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| smcginnis | But definitely need lot's of rally testing. | 16:04 |
| hemna | smcginnis, well we also discussed removing the locks entirely | 16:04 |
| smcginnis | jgriffith: Yeah, I think so too. | 16:04 |
| patrickeast | jgriffith: yep | 16:04 |
| patrickeast | hemna: that approach scares me a bit | 16:04 |
| smcginnis | hemna: Yeah, at the time we talked about removing the locks and just having retries, but I think the locks are valid for some scenarios. | 16:04 |
| hemna | patrickeast, me too. there are obvious race conditions in the code | 16:05 |
| xyang1 | jgriffith: I think we have that too | 16:05 |
| hemna | and the locks were in there to help prevent that, but the locks aren't shared..... | 16:05 |
| jgriffith | I'm still not sure I agree with the statement that we need them... but I don't want to derail meeting :) | 16:05 |
| hemna | retries....may help, but also cause other problems | 16:05 |
| smcginnis | Anyway, just be aware that deadline is coming up quick. | 16:05 |
| hemna | so it's a crap shoot. I'd like to get all of this rally tested IMHO | 16:05 |
| smcginnis | #topic Moving the failing jenkins tests to check-experimental until they pass | 16:05 |
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| patrickeast | jgriffith: yea i don't think we need them for all platforms, situations, deployment configs, etc 100% agree there | 16:05 |
| patrickeast | jgriffith: but we do for some of em | 16:05 |
| jgriffith | boris-42: you around ^^ :) | 16:05 |
| smcginnis | DuncanT: Was this new this week, or left over from last week? | 16:05 |
| DuncanT | Left over form last week, we ran out of time | 16:06 |
| smcginnis | Oh, OK. So we still need to discuss it then. | 16:06 |
| jgriffith | hemna: I'll bet boris-42 would be happy to help with rally tests if you want/need | 16:06 |
| e0ne | jgriffith: who sad rally? | 16:06 |
| DuncanT | It's a pretty straight-forward thing, I hope | 16:06 |
| jgriffith | oh yeah... e0ne is another potential victim... err candidate :) | 16:07 |
| e0ne | jgriffith, hemna: please, ping me if you need any kind of help with rally | 16:07 |
| hemna | jgriffith, yah, I kinda want to create a rally gate test for brick as well | 16:07 |
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| DuncanT | We currently approve new jenkins jobs with no evidence of them passing, then they slowly get fixed up | 16:07 |
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| hemna | I'm just busy training my replacement this week. | 16:07 |
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| hemna | smh | 16:07 |
| jgriffith | thaks e0ne | 16:07 |
| DuncanT | It means there's no way of knowing which of the none-voting jobs you should pay any attention to | 16:07 |
| smcginnis | DuncanT: Won't hiding them in experimental just make it worse (playing devil's advocate) | 16:07 |
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| jgriffith | hemna: OMG, not even going to try and respond | 16:08 |
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| e0ne | jgriffith, hemna: I'm ready to help with rally job if needed | 16:08 |
| smcginnis | DuncanT: Still there? | 16:08 |
| DuncanT | smcginnis: Until they pass at all? No, I don't think so. It isn't like most people work on fixing them, just a small group, who can run "check experimental" easily enough until the job passes at least once | 16:08 |
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| DuncanT | smcginnis: Sorry, injured finger, slow typing | 16:09 |
| smcginnis | DuncanT: Do you have a list of jobs you'd like to move. | 16:09 |
| smcginnis | DuncanT: Sorry. :) | 16:09 |
| DuncanT | smcginnis: I think they're all passing right now, but there were a few a week and a half ago | 16:09 |
| diablo_rojo | DuncanT: Swing dancing injury? | 16:09 |
| hemna | e0ne, ok thanks man. | 16:10 |
| smcginnis | DuncanT: So just looking for general consensus that we should do that if/when we get another batch of failing ones? | 16:10 |
| DuncanT | gate-tempest-dsvm-neutron-identity-v3-only-full-nv I haven't seen passing, but I haven't checked in carefully | 16:10 |
| smcginnis | DuncanT: I think that's fair. If it's being worked on, would be good to get working in experimental before polluting our normal results. | 16:10 |
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| DuncanT | smcginnis: I'm asking so that there's a consensious behind me if I go asking on the infra review as to whether the jobs actually work yet | 16:10 |
| smcginnis | patrickeast: Didn't you have a patch for that identity v3 issue? | 16:10 |
| scottda | If a test is failing for some great length of time, that sounds ok. But merging patches into infra repos can be a lengthy process. | 16:11 |
| DuncanT | smcginnis: I'd like to be able to say we discussed it before I go off complaining | 16:11 |
| e0ne | smcginnis, DuncanT: +1 on moving such jobs to experimental queue | 16:11 |
| patrickeast | smcginnis: i dont think so | 16:11 |
| smcginnis | DuncanT: +1 from me as well. | 16:11 |
| DuncanT | Thanks | 16:11 |
| smcginnis | patrickeast: OK, thought I saw something. | 16:11 |
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| patrickeast | smcginnis: haha, i'll have to check... i've got a bunch of random crap up for review | 16:11 |
| jungleboyj | DuncanT: I think that makes sense. | 16:11 |
| DuncanT | I don't promise to catch them all, but I'd like to change the culture of randomly failing tests if I can | 16:12 |
| smcginnis | Gotta catch em all. | 16:12 |
| smcginnis | :) | 16:12 |
| hemna | DuncanT, I think there are many of those :( | 16:12 |
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| jungleboyj | smcginnis: +2 | 16:12 |
| diablo_rojo | smcginnis: :) | 16:12 |
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| smcginnis | DuncanT: Yeah, make sense. You've got backing on it if you do. | 16:12 |
| DuncanT | I've also been gently poking 3rd party CI folks who've been failing a lot - netapp apparently have a plan in place to improve theirs for example | 16:12 |
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| DuncanT | smcginnis: Thanks. I'm done with this subject then | 16:13 |
| smcginnis | DuncanT: Thanks! | 16:13 |
| smcginnis | #topic Cinderclient issues to discuss | 16:13 |
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| smcginnis | scottda: Hey | 16:13 |
| scottda | So, Deadline to release is R-5 Aug29-Sep02 | 16:13 |
| hemna | DuncanT, we got the wiki names in the drivers now | 16:13 |
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| smcginnis | Woot | 16:13 |
| scottda | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/python-cinderclient | 16:13 |
| bswartz | DuncanT: netapp has plans to invest a lot in making CI more reliable | 16:13 |
| DuncanT | hemna: Yup, I've started playing with tooling around that :-) | 16:14 |
| scottda | It'd be especially good to have client CLI support for features that are already in the server... | 16:14 |
| DuncanT | bswartz: Great to hear. Anything that can be shared in terms of lessons learnt would be good to hear too | 16:14 |
| scottda | so perhaps authors of the server code can help us get the client parts in. | 16:14 |
| patrickeast | scottda: +1 | 16:14 |
| smcginnis | Related to that... | 16:14 |
| smcginnis | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/python-brick-cinderclient-ext | 16:14 |
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| e0ne | smcginnis: thanks:) | 16:15 |
| smcginnis | Huh, thet're all merged now though. :) | 16:15 |
| hemna | :) | 16:15 |
| DuncanT | One thing that would be good for client reviews is some evidence of testing... since tempest doesn't cover any of these new calls | 16:15 |
| scottda | Not much in brick-cinderclient that hasn't merged... | 16:15 |
| e0ne | DuncanT: we could require functional tests | 16:15 |
| DuncanT | I've been holding off on client reviews because I don't currently have time to test them | 16:15 |
| scottda | Yeah, good to test as well as review client | 16:15 |
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| bswartz | DuncanT: right now we suspect that we're overloading our hardware with too many jobs executing in parallel | 16:16 |
| DuncanT | e0ne: Not sure if that's practical, but would be nice | 16:16 |
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| DuncanT | bswartz: Servers or arrays? | 16:16 |
| bswartz | 1 array, 40 jobs | 16:16 |
| DuncanT | bswartz: Got you. Thanks. | 16:16 |
| scottda | back to cinderclient? | 16:17 |
| e0ne | DuncanT: I mean that we already have a solution to get cinderclient patches tested | 16:17 |
| * bswartz apologies for being offtopic | 16:17 | |
| e0ne | DuncanT: but it's really low functional tests coverage for it | 16:17 |
| smcginnis | bswartz: :) | 16:17 |
| DuncanT | e0ne: Do we have a good example functional test in there yet? | 16:17 |
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| smcginnis | Kind of related to that, would be good to get input on this: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/356177/ | 16:18 |
| diablo_rojo | DuncanT: Good question | 16:18 |
| e0ne | DuncanT: everything we have is here https://github.com/openstack/python-cinderclient/tree/master/cinderclient/tests/functional | 16:18 |
| e0ne | DuncanT: ther covers only CLI now:( | 16:18 |
| DuncanT | e0ne: I'll take a look. It would be nice to be able to point people at a small number of good examples to emulate | 16:18 |
| scottda | stevemar: Are you around? stevemar is working on OpenSTack Client stuff and has volunteered to keep cinder team informed on OSC stuff. And you can bug him as well ..... | 16:19 |
| smcginnis | Oh, here's the endpoint v3 I was thinking of: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/349602/ | 16:19 |
| stevemar | yo | 16:19 |
| e0ne | DuncanT: my team is working on extend functional tests. ping me if we want to implement something faster | 16:19 |
| smcginnis | stevemar: Thank you for that! | 16:19 |
| stevemar | heyo! | 16:19 |
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| DuncanT | e0ne: It would be nice to have some sort of test that matched the client and server bits together | 16:19 |
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| tbarron | hi | 16:19 |
| DuncanT | e0ne: Getting one example up ASAP would suit my purposes well | 16:20 |
| stevemar | we had sheel rana working on a blueprint to fill the holes that were in OSC | 16:20 |
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| stevemar | but he's gone AWOL | 16:20 |
| DuncanT | e0ne: I can review it, I'm not going to be able to code it ATM | 16:20 |
| stevemar | luckily, huanxuan has decided to pick up the blueprint! :) | 16:20 |
| e0ne | DuncanT: ok. I'll try to get patch proposed asap | 16:20 |
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| DuncanT | e0ne: Much appreciated | 16:21 |
| stevemar | you can see hes' been pumping out OSC patches for volume support: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/owner:%22Huanxuan+Ao%22 | 16:21 |
| diablo_rojo | Our guys that were working on it for a while got pulled off too. | 16:21 |
| stevemar | his latest patches could use some eyes from cinder folks: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/356384/1 and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/353931/ since they are not as straight forward | 16:21 |
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| stevemar | scottda: smcginnis i'll try to bring issues we're having to the meeting here, but otherwise i'm hoping i have time to create a compatibility matrix for cinderclient vs osc | 16:22 |
| scottda | stevemar: Thanks for that. I find the OSC is not really on my radar screen, and probably true for most of us.. | 16:22 |
| stevemar | scottda: it's the bees knees! | 16:22 |
| smcginnis | stevemar: That would be hugely useful. | 16:22 |
| stevemar | smcginnis: right! | 16:22 |
| jungleboyj | stevemar: That would be great! | 16:22 |
| jungleboyj | So we have an idea where we are at and what needs to be done. | 16:23 |
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| stevemar | i'll mention the osc and the cinder CLI command | 16:23 |
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| stevemar | we've diverted in some ways, hopefully for the better | 16:23 |
| diablo_rojo | smcginnis: Agreed | 16:23 |
| hemna | fwiw, I had to stop using osc from git recently due to failures to configure keystone. :( | 16:23 |
| stevemar | hemna: that's cruddy | 16:24 |
| stevemar | hemna: file a bug in osc, we can help out | 16:24 |
| stevemar | we've heard good feedback from a UX perspective | 16:24 |
| hemna | stevemar, ok will do. it was easy to reproduce. devstack wouldn't come up | 16:24 |
| e0ne | can we just implement OSC plugin inside cinderclient and not re-implement all things in OSC? | 16:24 |
| e0ne | this plugin should be mandatory | 16:24 |
| stevemar | e0ne: swift asked the same thing | 16:24 |
| DuncanT | e0ne: I asked that too :-) | 16:25 |
| stevemar | e0ne: and i think it's feasible, it's just code after all | 16:25 |
| scottda | Yeah, we discussed at the summit.. | 16:25 |
| stevemar | just depends on where it lives | 16:25 |
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| e0ne | stevemar, DuncanT: we discussed it and I was not able to try implement it :( | 16:25 |
| DuncanT | One downside is that it risks missing the OS team's holistic view and standardisation of terminology | 16:25 |
| e0ne | stevemar: I like how heatclient implemented OSC plugin | 16:26 |
| smcginnis | DuncanT: Probably the biggest risk. | 16:26 |
| DuncanT | AKA renaming metadata and breaking all the docs | 16:26 |
| e0ne | all code is inside heatclient repo | 16:26 |
| stevemar | DuncanT: righto! | 16:26 |
| stevemar | e0ne: yes, all our plugins (there are many!) have code in-tree except for the big 6 services (identity, compute, volume, image, object, network) -- we have those in osc | 16:26 |
| DuncanT | At while point OS becomes a thing wrapper around a bunch of heavily deseparate clients, and therefore entirely pointless | 16:26 |
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| stevemar | not sure i follow that one | 16:27 |
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| e0ne | DuncanT: OSC is only for CLI | 16:28 |
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| stevemar | e0ne: to answer your question -- i think its possible, but we risk losing consistency | 16:28 |
| stevemar | e0ne: but you'd be inheriting a bunch of our stuff, so maybe y'all can just follow the established pattern | 16:28 |
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| DuncanT | e0ne: Yes, but unless terminology within the CLI is standardised, there's no point adding the extra layer of having a 'single' CLI | 16:28 |
| e0ne | DuncanT: +1 | 16:28 |
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| e0ne | stevemar: we can try to do it if somebody has a time for this effort | 16:29 |
| DuncanT | stevemar: How are you avoiding such terminology fragmentation now? | 16:29 |
| e0ne | stevemar: plugin will help implement CLI faster | 16:29 |
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| stevemar | e0ne: yeah, it would involve some poking around, but it would look a lot like how heat client did it | 16:29 |
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| stevemar | DuncanT: we publish dev guides in osc docs | 16:30 |
| e0ne | stevemar: it's better than having to CLIs, IMO | 16:30 |
| DuncanT | stevemar: But are the various plugins actually following it? | 16:30 |
| smcginnis | scottda: Maybe we should move on to the last subtopic? | 16:30 |
| erlon | stevemar: do you ahve an ideia on how much is missising in OSC to meet all functionalities already in openstack client? | 16:30 |
| scottda | I'm ready..... | 16:31 |
| DuncanT | stevemar: Is there anyway to extract the command tree, including all the plugins? | 16:31 |
| stevemar | DuncanT: i hope so, i'll admit we can't keep up with all the reviews, but i hope they are copying established patterns | 16:31 |
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| scottda | So, patch is up to deprecate support for 'cinder endpoints' #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/349602/ | 16:31 |
| stevemar | erlon: i mentioned i'll get that info in a week or so | 16:31 |
| stevemar | we can totally jump to another topic, i don't want to hold the bus up | 16:31 |
| erlon | stevemar: mhm, I think we need to wait to see if is worth to work in the plugin then | 16:32 |
| smcginnis | scottda: So the background on that is it was carried over from nova and it doesn't quite fit. But do we care enough to clean it up now. | 16:32 |
| smcginnis | scottda: Is that the jist of it? | 16:32 |
| scottda | yes. | 16:32 |
| smcginnis | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/cinder/+bug/1614104 Keystone v3 support bug | 16:32 |
| scottda | and further complicated with this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/cinder/+bug/1614104 | 16:32 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1614104 in Cinder "Cinder endpoints throws error in Keystone V3" [Undecided,New] - Assigned to Jay Conroy (jayconroy) | 16:32 |
| scottda | So, we'd want to fix that ^^ if we continue to support cinder endpoint. | 16:33 |
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| e0ne | we can fix it in any case | 16:33 |
| smcginnis | scottda: We probably would need to fix it anyway, right. We'd have to deprecate the command so it will need to stick around a little while anyway. | 16:33 |
| e0ne | deprecated!=not working | 16:33 |
| scottda | yes, deprecation will take time, so we'll end up fixing that bug. | 16:33 |
| DuncanT | e0ne: +1 - it's a bug, we should fix it if we can | 16:33 |
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| scottda | OK, forget about the bug. Do we want to deprecate that command? | 16:34 |
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| smcginnis | But good point in that we are needing to devote time and resources to something that doesn't really need to be there. | 16:34 |
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| stevemar | smcginnis: hmm, i thought i fixed that bug... https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-cinderclient/+bug/1608166 | 16:34 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1608166 in python-cinderclient "cinder list endpoints results in parsing error" [Undecided,Fix released] - Assigned to Steve Martinelli (stevemar) | 16:34 |
| smcginnis | I'm actually in favor of deprecation/removal. | 16:34 |
| DuncanT | Has anybody seen a script that actually uses it? I've found one in our internal tools dump I've got, but it was a one-shot thing and can be trivally updated | 16:34 |
| smcginnis | stevemar: Yeah, seemed like we already did something there. SOmething must have snuck in and broke it again or it's slightly different. | 16:34 |
| stevemar | smcginnis: funky | 16:35 |
| smcginnis | DuncanT: Yeah, should be trivial to change. | 16:35 |
| DuncanT | Do we need functional tests for OSClient as well? | 16:35 |
| smcginnis | Just switch everything over to osc, right stevemar? :) | 16:35 |
| stevemar | DuncanT: those already exist in osc's tree | 16:35 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Not so fast! :-) | 16:35 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: :) | 16:35 |
| stevemar | smcginnis: you wouldn't have to deal with all these bugs :P | 16:35 |
| stevemar | nova had the same command did deprecate it as well | 16:36 |
| smcginnis | So I guess the question on the table is deprecate or keep maintaining the endpoint command. | 16:36 |
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| stevemar | for the same reasons | 16:36 |
| DuncanT | stevemar: Do they run against the cinder side changes though? | 16:36 |
| scottda | Probably not a big deal to deprecate. Just wanted to ask for feedback...We said we weren't ready to depricate the cinderclient. But this is a bit different. | 16:36 |
| stevemar | scottda: yerp | 16:36 |
| e0ne | smcginnis: fix and deprecate it | 16:36 |
| DuncanT | smcginnis: I've no objection to deprecating it | 16:36 |
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| jungleboyj | Sounds like the way to go ... especially if Nova has done that. | 16:37 |
| smcginnis | scottda: Yeah, I see that as completely different. I don't want to deprecate the cinder client any time soon, but an individual command that doesn't make sense, I'm all for deprecation. | 16:37 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: ++ | 16:37 |
| e0ne | smcginnis: +1 | 16:37 |
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| scottda | ok. It was the cinderclient deprecation that caused me to put on the breaks. I'll remove -1 and others can review, etc. | 16:37 |
| smcginnis | Great, no major objections. Let's get it marked deprecated. | 16:37 |
| scottda | I'm done. Thanks. | 16:38 |
| smcginnis | Thanks scottda | 16:38 |
| smcginnis | And now on to the fun stuff... | 16:38 |
| smcginnis | #topic Driver deprecation policy | 16:38 |
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| jgriffith | haha | 16:38 |
| e0ne | :) | 16:38 |
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| smcginnis | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-August/101428.html ML Thread | 16:38 |
| * jungleboyj waits for fireworks | 16:38 | |
| e0ne | smcginnis: I like hemna's proposal | 16:38 |
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| stevemar | thanks all! | 16:39 |
| smcginnis | My thoughts if anyone is interested: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-August/101568.html | 16:39 |
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| smcginnis | I do like the idea of marking unsupported. | 16:39 |
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| smcginnis | The question is whether that still breaks policy if we disable those by default. | 16:40 |
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| smcginnis | Since upgrades will break without making config changes. | 16:40 |
| e0ne | smcginnis: let's change the policy | 16:40 |
| jgriffith | e0ne: which one? | 16:40 |
| DuncanT | Given that they're likely to break anyway, I think explicitly calling them out is good | 16:40 |
| e0ne | jgriffith: does it matter? | 16:40 |
| jgriffith | wait... let's back up a second :) | 16:40 |
| DuncanT | I still support removal - backporting is easy enough for a savy deployer, and a non-savy deployer would be better off migrating before upgrade | 16:41 |
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| jgriffith | So there's a LOT of stuff in that thread and even a LOT of stuff in just Sean's posting | 16:41 |
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| jungleboyj | smcginnis: I just used the threat of removal to get exec attention. :-) | 16:41 |
| jgriffith | I think Sean touched on a version of each proposal that's feasible | 16:41 |
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| jgriffith | in his ML post | 16:41 |
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| jgriffith | After an awful lot of thought and consideration I felt that the third option while not the one with the most teeth was the most reasonable | 16:42 |
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| jgriffith | ie a new tag that marks the status of each driver | 16:42 |
| jgriffith | I know a number of folks want the power of removal, and that makes sense... I totally get it and it's the largest stick you can have | 16:42 |
| jgriffith | But it's also a pretty destructive stick the more I think about it... and not just for the driver being removed | 16:43 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: Can we combine that with deprecation? | 16:43 |
| smcginnis | jgriffith: And I guess to expand on that, tag it and also mark as deprecated so if they don't turn around we actually can remove them. | 16:43 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: jinx | 16:43 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj: yes, and smcginnis yes :) | 16:43 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: :-) | 16:43 |
| jgriffith | would've been funny if I answered each of you differently :) | 16:43 |
| smcginnis | jgriffith: Wouldn't have been the first time. :P | 16:44 |
| smcginnis | JOKE! | 16:44 |
| jungleboyj | I think it is very important that we don't make it appear that Cinder doesn't follow deprecation policy. | 16:44 |
| DuncanT | jgriffith: Is leaving a deployer unable to access their volumes because the drive ris broken actually better? | 16:44 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: you don't know that it's broken though | 16:44 |
| jungleboyj | I also think we need to stick to our guns that unmaintained drivers can't stay in. | 16:44 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: and in some cases... yeah, it kinda is | 16:44 |
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| jgriffith | IMO anyway | 16:44 |
| patrickeast | DuncanT: with the tag they would presumably get a warning that says "this driver is probably broken" | 16:44 |
| patrickeast | so it would at least give a clue | 16:45 |
| jgriffith | As a consumer/operator you chose poorly.. there are consequences | 16:45 |
| jungleboyj | So, kind-of like we are doing with XIV/DS8k right now we have said they need to opensource and have given them a grace period. | 16:45 |
| patrickeast | s/would/should/ | 16:45 |
| DuncanT | patrickeast: Not until after they've upgraded, and it's a bit late by then | 16:45 |
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| jgriffith | but at the same time, we as an OpenStack community aren't going to rip the rug out from under your | 16:45 |
| jgriffith | you | 16:45 |
| jungleboyj | They are 'deprecated ' right now. Will be removed in the next release if the problem isn't resolved. | 16:45 |
| hemna | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/355608/ | 16:45 |
| patrickeast | DuncanT: true, maybe we document the list of drivers and their status for each release so its not a suprise | 16:45 |
| smcginnis | So mark as unsupported, check and log a huge warning when it's loaded, mark as deprecated, and if they don't start working on things remove it in the next release. | 16:45 |
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| jungleboyj | smcginnis: I think that is the best of both worlds. | 16:46 |
| smcginnis | Easier on deployers who are already in an unfortunate situation that have a cloud running on deadbeat storage. | 16:46 |
| diablo_rojo | smcginnis: That sounds reasonable | 16:46 |
| hemna | check out that patch and try it out. | 16:46 |
| jgriffith | patrickeast: DuncanT the documentation of drivers and status was something we're supposed to be doing anyway :) | 16:46 |
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| patrickeast | jgriffith: heh yea, supposed to | 16:46 |
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| jgriffith | patrickeast: :) | 16:46 |
| DuncanT | patrickeast: A big stonking list of 'possibly broken, really, upgrading your cinder version might eat all your data' warning in the release notes for sure | 16:46 |
| smcginnis | hemna: So the only difference from what we discussed before I think is not needing to edit the config to say to run it anyway. | 16:46 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: I think that might be a little dramatic in reality | 16:47 |
| hemna | well, I do like forcing admins to do that to re-enable | 16:47 |
| DuncanT | jgriffith: Good. | 16:47 |
| smcginnis | For non-compliant drivers, rather than a removal patch, we put up a patch to add the flag to their driver and mark it deprecated. | 16:47 |
| DuncanT | jgriffith: Actually data-loss is really dramatic, every time | 16:47 |
| smcginnis | hemna: Yeah, but then we have the "grenade" issues of broken upgrades. | 16:47 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: if you as an operator are aware of the tag, and note that it's not in the state it should be at release... then I would hope you'd do some testing | 16:47 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: but we're not going to *eat* volumes off the back end | 16:48 |
| smcginnis | nom nom | 16:48 |
| hemna | smcginnis, it won't affect the grenade tests unless we mark LVM as unsupported :) | 16:48 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: there's a difference between data LOSS and data UNAVAILABLE | 16:48 |
| DuncanT | jgriffith: Making the tag obvious helps a lot, both the operation and the stick that it represents | 16:48 |
| flip214 | well, if they're tasty with a little cheese? | 16:48 |
| DuncanT | jgriffith: Data unavailable is still quite a big drama | 16:48 |
| smcginnis | hemna: Well, not the actual grenade tests we run in gate, but it would break the principle that is trying to enforce. | 16:48 |
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| jgriffith | DuncanT: sure, but that quite frankly is between vendor and customer... or perhaps vendor, customer and distro | 16:49 |
| hemna | it's a grey area IMO. we used to completely delete drivers..... | 16:49 |
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| smcginnis | hemna: Right, it's completely better overall. | 16:49 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj: quiet! | 16:49 |
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| smcginnis | I think we'd still get called out on it though, and I'd rather just set this straight and be done with it. | 16:49 |
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| jungleboyj | jgriffith: You don't want to be around when number 3 happens. :-) | 16:49 |
| hemna | the TC folks seemed ok with it | 16:49 |
| hemna | fwiw | 16:49 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: I'll raise my point again about the fact that distros are requiring a seperate qual/test process for every driver on every release anyway | 16:50 |
| hemna | I dunno, if we remove that, then the stick to whack vendors becomes very.....limp. | 16:50 |
| jgriffith | hemna: stop that | 16:50 |
| hemna | :P | 16:50 |
| DuncanT | jgriffith: They've got no choice right now, the upstream testing is pretty weak | 16:50 |
| scottda | hemna: nice visual | 16:50 |
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| jgriffith | DuncanT: BS... they have me run the EXACT same upstream tests | 16:50 |
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| jungleboyj | hemna: Ok with which? | 16:51 |
| patrickeast | haha | 16:51 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: there's nothing special or different | 16:51 |
| patrickeast | jgriffith: +1 | 16:51 |
| jgriffith | not a damn thing | 16:51 |
| DuncanT | jgriffith: ok, the distro tests are pretty weak too then ;-) | 16:51 |
| jgriffith | it's just a bull shit process that causes me extra work | 16:51 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: :) | 16:51 |
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| jgriffith | DuncanT: but that's a ridiculous argument anyway... | 16:51 |
| smcginnis | OK, disabling by default aside, is everyone in agreement to set a flag in the driver and mark as deprecated? | 16:51 |
| jungleboyj | hemna: You would be surprised the damage you can do with a limp stick. ;-) | 16:51 |
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| smcginnis | Oy | 16:51 |
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| DuncanT | jgriffith: Honestly, I don't have strong answers there, distros have a history of being a pain and requiring work... you can always choose to not be certified | 16:52 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: You're saying "remove them cuz they don't run upstream tests" but then saying "upstream tests are weak and aren't good enough anyway" | 16:52 |
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| jgriffith | DuncanT: I don't have nice things to say on that topic so I"m going to do as I was taught as a child and say nothing about it ;) | 16:52 |
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| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Yes, I think so. | 16:52 |
| DuncanT | jgriffith: In house, we found passing upstream tests was not a good indicator that it will actually work in a real system | 16:52 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: Thank you :) | 16:52 |
| DuncanT | smcginnis: I still prefer removal, and fixing the tag | 16:53 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: At least I thought we were. | 16:53 |
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| jgriffith | DuncanT: understood, but not really germain to this discussion I don't think | 16:53 |
| DuncanT | smcginnis: But I'm not going to fight it | 16:53 |
| jungleboyj | DuncanT: I agree, but are we going to get wide spread agreement on that. | 16:53 |
| patrickeast | smcginnis: i'm on board | 16:53 |
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| smcginnis | DuncanT: After trying to change the stable policy (and the SS that triggered) I'm hesitant to push for an openstack wide tag change. | 16:53 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: don't get me wrong... I have no real problem with removal... but I do think that there are some consequences that we would have that I don't want to deal with | 16:53 |
| DuncanT | smcginnis: SS can be really healthy though, things need reexamining from time to time | 16:54 |
| hemna | removal is a good stick for vendors, but it's awful for deployments. | 16:54 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: like it or not the deprecation policy tag exists, and if we lose that it *could* have consequences for drivers in Cinder. | 16:54 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: at least for those that don't belong to a distro | 16:54 |
| smcginnis | DuncanT: True. But other than a small number of supporters for our policy up to this point, I didn't get the feeling I was getting much buy in on the idea. | 16:55 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: things like "we're the only driver we can guarantee will be there next release" | 16:55 |
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| hemna | I think we should be punishing vendors for not supporting their drivers and give deployments and chance to get off that vendor's backend. | 16:55 |
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| hemna | hence the proposal I made | 16:55 |
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| DuncanT | jgriffith: Yeah, I guess the best bet is to follow the policy, put flashing lights in the release notes and review the tag definition in slow time | 16:55 |
| DuncanT | hemna: +1 | 16:55 |
| flip214 | <blinking> | 16:55 |
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| jgriffith | hemna: I think we should publish their contributions... including reviews, code submissions to core etc and show comparisons :) | 16:55 |
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| flip214 | in the release notes | 16:55 |
| hemna | jgriffith, :) | 16:56 |
| hemna | jgriffith, +1 | 16:56 |
| jungleboyj | DuncanT: +1 | 16:56 |
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| jungleboyj | jgriffith: Rough. ;-) | 16:56 |
| smcginnis | OK, so if we have general agreement towards tagging the driver and deprecating it, the next question is the automatic disabling of the driver without and explicit config file setting saying to load it anyway. | 16:56 |
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| hemna | re: limp stick | 16:57 |
| smcginnis | AKA, the limp stick issue. :D | 16:57 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: I think that firms up the stick a bit. | 16:57 |
| scottda | I'm glad HR doesn't pay attention to IRC.... | 16:57 |
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| hemna | scottda, shhh! | 16:58 |
| jungleboyj | scottda: Chicken. ;-) | 16:58 |
| patrickeast | scottda: no worries, these logs aren't logged or anything :p | 16:58 |
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| diablo_rojo | patrickeast: Lol | 16:58 |
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| diablo_rojo | Two min left btw | 16:59 |
| diablo_rojo | Make that one | 16:59 |
| patrickeast | smcginnis: so i'm not sure how much that config option really buys us other than as an annoyance for deployers | 16:59 |
| patrickeast | smcginnis: at the point they've upgraded and still have a bad driver, they are going to use it anyway | 16:59 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: I think we should have it. It will get some pressure on the vendor from customers that will be made more aware of what is going on. | 16:59 |
| hemna | patrickeast, that's kinda the point really | 16:59 |
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| smcginnis | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/355608/ Driver tag patch | 16:59 |
| hemna | since we don't remove the drivers, we don't have much of anything to really annoy the vendors to force them to comply | 17:00 |
| smcginnis | Since we're out of time, please comment in the review. ^^ | 17:00 |
| hemna | re: https://goo.gl/kHnWVN | 17:00 |
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| smcginnis | Times up. Thanks everone | 17:00 |
| smcginnis | hemna: Seriously? :) | 17:00 |
| smcginnis | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Aug 17 17:00:36 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2016/cinder.2016-08-17-16.00.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2016/cinder.2016-08-17-16.00.txt | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2016/cinder.2016-08-17-16.00.log.html | 17:00 |
| jlvillal | #startmeeting ironic_qa | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Aug 17 17:00:42 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jlvillal. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ironic_qa' | 17:00 |
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| jlvillal | Hello everyone | 17:00 |
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| jlvillal | As always the agenda is at: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic-QA | 17:01 |
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| jlvillal | #topic Announcements | 17:01 |
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| mjturek1 | o/ | 17:01 |
| krtaylor | o/ | 17:01 |
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| jlvillal | #info IPA post jobs are showing up on status.openstack.org/openstack-health now. | 17:01 |
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| jlvillal | Any other announcements? | 17:01 |
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| cdearborn | o/ | 17:02 |
| rpioso | o/ | 17:02 |
| jlvillal | Okay moving on then | 17:02 |
| jlvillal | #topic Multi-node Grenade testing of Ironic | 17:02 |
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| jlvillal | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ironic-newton-grenade-whiteboard | 17:02 |
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| jlvillal | #info Progress is being made. Big thanks to Vasyl Saienko for all of his work on this. | 17:03 |
| jlvillal | #info master testing patch at: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/296432/ | 17:03 |
| jroll | \o | 17:03 |
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| jlvillal | #info Current status is that the SSH keys need to be propagated. A test run is in progress to see if a potential fix works. | 17:04 |
| jroll | nice work! | 17:04 |
| jlvillal | #info jlvillal and vsaienko have started doing daily sync-ups to allow each to continue work in their time zones. | 17:05 |
| jlvillal | jroll: Thanks | 17:05 |
| jlvillal | That's all I got so far. | 17:05 |
| jlvillal | Any questions/comments before moving on? | 17:05 |
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| clarkb | yes, could you just reuse the existing test ssh key instead? | 17:05 |
| jlvillal | clarkb: I could investigate that. Do you have a pointer? Sounds like a good idea. | 17:06 |
| clarkb | that may make the setup simpler (since we already configure ssh to allow communication among all the test nodes and for eg nova live migration) | 17:06 |
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| clarkb | https://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/project-config/tree/nodepool/scripts/multinode_setup.sh#n29 | 17:06 |
| jlvillal | clarkb: Thanks! | 17:07 |
| jlvillal | I will check it out today | 17:07 |
| jlvillal | Any other questions/comments? | 17:07 |
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| jlvillal | Moving on | 17:07 |
| jlvillal | #topic 3rd Party CI presented to you by krtaylor | 17:07 |
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| jlvillal | krtaylor: The floor is yours. Let me know when you are done please. | 17:08 |
| krtaylor | jlvillal, sure thing | 17:08 |
| rajinir | \o | 17:08 |
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| krtaylor | so email has been sent to systems that need to get their CI going asap or get moved out | 17:09 |
| krtaylor | the stackalytics driver patch is making progress, I thought it was there, but jroll brought up a question about the wiki links | 17:09 |
| krtaylor | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/330270/ | 17:10 |
| jroll | yeah, that's my only nit | 17:10 |
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| * jroll wants to point out a thing after krtaylor is done speaking | 17:10 | |
| krtaylor | so, I looked that over and I think it should actually be the required wiki page | 17:10 |
| jroll | oh? why is that? | 17:10 |
| jroll | (I'm fine with that, just curious) | 17:11 |
| krtaylor | the ThirdPartySystems wiki | 17:11 |
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| krtaylor | that makes the most sense, this is for info and contacts, and it would be consistent since all are required to have it anyway | 17:11 |
| jroll | ok | 17:12 |
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| jroll | krtaylor: some of the drivers have links to docs, so let's fix those instead I guess :) | 17:12 |
| krtaylor | the only catch is for community drivers, since those are not third party, they would point to docs? | 17:12 |
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| krtaylor | its not clean either way | 17:12 |
| krtaylor | unless we require all ironic drivers to also have doc pages | 17:13 |
| jroll | right | 17:13 |
| jroll | (which we totally should) | 17:13 |
| krtaylor | I listed all the ThirdPartSystems links I could find in the drivers page | 17:14 |
| krtaylor | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Ironic/Drivers#3rd_Party_CI_required_implementation_status | 17:14 |
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| krtaylor | jroll, so if we require docs pages (which I'm fine with) , we can stub out those that aren't there I guess | 17:14 |
| * devananda fails at calendaring, comes in late ... | 17:15 | |
| jroll | krtaylor: yeah, I guess it depends on what driverlog is intended to do | 17:15 |
| jroll | if it's to list drivers, it should be docs pages | 17:15 |
| jroll | if it's to track CI, it should be wikis | 17:15 |
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| krtaylor | heh, it tries to be all things, but in this case, I think it is to just make sure they are listed in the marketplace, real useful status is tracked elsewhere in third party CI working group tools | 17:17 |
| jroll | ok, let's make it doc pages then, if users will be seeing this in the marketplace :) | 17:17 |
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| krtaylor | well I was leaning toward wiki links, but now docs make more sense, thanks for discussing | 17:17 |
| krtaylor | I'll make that change today (tonight) | 17:18 |
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| krtaylor | the only other thing I wanted to bring up is the CI documentation patch | 17:18 |
| krtaylor | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/353102/ | 17:19 |
| jroll | ah yeah, I need to review that | 17:19 |
| krtaylor | I am proposing the location and outline be merged first, then we can start writing sections and spread the work a bit, hopefully | 17:19 |
| rajinir | krtaylor>+1 | 17:20 |
| jroll | sounds good | 17:20 |
| krtaylor | I will have a section that references all the agreed wording in the spec, so this will become the requirements documentation going forward | 17:20 |
| devananda | krtaylor: ++ | 17:20 |
| * jroll has a thing to bring up | 17:20 | |
| krtaylor | maybe next patch after outline, if everybody is fine with that | 17:20 |
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| rajinir | ++ | 17:21 |
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| jroll | so folks have been re-thinking this approach in cinder | 17:21 |
| jroll | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-August/101428.html | 17:21 |
| krtaylor | thats all I had, jroll? | 17:21 |
| jroll | it's a looong thread, so don't read it during this meeting :) | 17:21 |
| krtaylor | yes, I saw that, some softening of the requirements | 17:21 |
| jroll | but it makes me wonder if we want to rethink how we do this as well | 17:21 |
| jroll | even if it's super late :( | 17:21 |
| krtaylor | how about we do that when we get a patch pushed for the requirements section of the doc? | 17:22 |
| jroll | we need to spin up an email thread or something, I think, a few other cores are re-considering after reading this | 17:22 |
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| * jroll has been procrastinating on that | 17:23 | |
| krtaylor | I'm fine with email thread, as long as it gets translated into patch comments at some point | 17:23 |
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| jroll | yeah, just needs a broader discussion | 17:23 |
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| devananda | jroll: would you like to summarize / discuss the change in our policy that you're envisioning? | 17:23 |
| jroll | devananda: I am not envisioning things yet | 17:24 |
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| jroll | but I don't want to nuke a bunch of drivers and then next cycle have the same conversation | 17:24 |
| jroll | ya know? | 17:24 |
| jroll | so we should have that conversation now | 17:24 |
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| krtaylor | same conversation? about new ones to nuke or ? | 17:25 |
| jroll | the conversation cinder is having | 17:25 |
| jroll | "is this really the right way to do this" | 17:25 |
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| devananda | hmm | 17:26 |
| krtaylor | gotcha, yeah, we can revisit our requirements with this in mind, I don't see a problem with that | 17:26 |
| devananda | jroll: if you want to punt on that until everyone's had time to catch up on the cinder thread, that wfm | 17:26 |
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| jroll | devananda: yeah, I'm not sure if it's changed my mind, but a couple other ironic cores said they kind of agree | 17:27 |
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| jlvillal | We do have the 3rd party drivers repo. If that makes us any different from Cinder. | 17:27 |
| jroll | devananda: so I want to email the list by like, friday, and have the discussion | 17:27 |
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| jroll | jlvillal: "we" have no such thing. a couple people in the community have that thing. it isn't official | 17:28 |
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| jlvillal | Ah okay. | 17:28 |
| krtaylor | so, mjturek1 and I will get the doc outline skeleton finished this week, we could push a requirements proposal early next week and maybe clarify some sections via comments | 17:28 |
| jroll | yeah, sounds good | 17:29 |
| krtaylor | discussion first via email | 17:29 |
| krtaylor | sounds like a plan | 17:29 |
| mjturek1 | yep, sounds good | 17:29 |
| krtaylor | ok, anything else for CI? | 17:29 |
| krtaylor | else, I'll turn it back over to jlvillal | 17:30 |
| jlvillal | Thanks krtaylor | 17:30 |
| jlvillal | #topic Open Discussion | 17:30 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: ironic_qa)" | 17:30 | |
| jlvillal | The floor is open | 17:30 |
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| * jroll has nothing | 17:31 | |
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| * devananda also has nothing QA-specific right now | 17:31 | |
| jlvillal | Okay, I think we are done. | 17:31 |
| jlvillal | Thanks everyone! | 17:31 |
| jroll | thanks jlvillal | 17:31 |
| jlvillal | #endmeeting | 17:31 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 17:31 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Aug 17 17:31:53 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:31 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic_qa/2016/ironic_qa.2016-08-17-17.00.html | 17:31 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic_qa/2016/ironic_qa.2016-08-17-17.00.txt | 17:31 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic_qa/2016/ironic_qa.2016-08-17-17.00.log.html | 17:31 |
| devananda | thanks! | 17:31 |
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| mjturek1 | thanks! | 17:32 |
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| bh526r | #startmeeting gluon | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Aug 17 18:00:53 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bh526r. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: gluon)" | 18:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'gluon' | 18:00 |
| bh526r | hello guys | 18:01 |
| pcarver | hello | 18:01 |
| bh526r | Hi Paul | 18:01 |
| georgk | Hi | 18:01 |
| bh526r | Hi Georg | 18:01 |
| kamal___ | Hi | 18:01 |
| bh526r | #topic Roll Call and Introduction | 18:01 |
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| bh526r | Hi Kamal | 18:01 |
| bh526r | #info Bin Hu | 18:01 |
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| bh526r | Please info your attendance | 18:02 |
| ALUVial | #info Vincent Button | 18:02 |
| kamal___ | #info Kamal Hussain | 18:02 |
| pcarver | #Paul Carver | 18:02 |
| georgk | #info Georg Kunz | 18:02 |
| bh526r | Great | 18:02 |
| bh526r | #topic Admin Update | 18:03 |
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| bh526r | I don't have any admin update | 18:03 |
| bh526r | #info No admin update | 18:03 |
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| bh526r | #topic Logistics and Agenda Items for Face-to-Face on August 18 and 19 | 18:04 |
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| Jeffreyc42 | Hey guys - Jeff is here | 18:04 |
| bh526r | So we are preparing for F2F tomorrow and Friday in Sunnyvale | 18:04 |
| Jeffreyc42 | #info Jeff Collins | 18:04 |
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| bh526r | Hi Jeff | 18:05 |
| bh526r | There are about 7 persons confirmed for attendance | 18:05 |
| bh526r | one is "maybe" | 18:05 |
| bh526r | and at least 3 more for remote participation | 18:05 |
| bh526r | #info 7 confirmed for F2F attendance | 18:06 |
| JayF | #info Jay Faulkner | 18:06 |
| bh526r | #info 3 or more for remote participation | 18:06 |
| JayF | uh, I'm in the wrong meeting room, apologies | 18:06 |
| bh526r | Hi Jay, welcome to join the meeting | 18:06 |
| bh526r | No problem, you are welcome to join us too :) | 18:07 |
| JayF | bh526r: my calendar said this would be docs meeting, I'm clearly wrong :) apologies for the interruption | 18:07 |
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| bh526r | No problem. It is Gluon meeting | 18:07 |
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| bh526r | #info one is "maybe", pending on his travel approval | 18:08 |
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| bh526r | #info draft agenda of F2F is https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Gluon/Agenda-2016081819 | 18:08 |
| bh526r | #info F2F logistics is https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Gluon/Logistics-2016081819 | 18:09 |
| bh526r | Any question regarding F2F tomorrow? | 18:09 |
| Jeffreyc42 | what time are we meeting at the Juniper office tomorrow? | 18:10 |
| georgk | will you have a good mic in place for us? | 18:10 |
| pcarver | do we have remote access? | 18:10 |
| bh526r | Honestly, I don't know - I will get their early to work with Nachi for mic and speaker etc. | 18:11 |
| Jeffreyc42 | I'm bringing a good video camera with mic for the whiteboard sessions | 18:11 |
| Jeffreyc42 | atleast reviews say its good :) | 18:11 |
| bh526r | Excellent Jeff. I can host AT&T connect on your laptop with good camera and mic | 18:11 |
| Jeffreyc42 | perfect | 18:12 |
| Jeffreyc42 | http://www.logitech.com/en-ca/product/c930e-webcam | 18:12 |
| bh526r | Paul: yes, I will host an Connect bridge | 18:12 |
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| Jeffreyc42 | What time are we meeting at? | 18:13 |
| ALUVial | logistics link says 9am | 18:13 |
| bh526r | Paul: I just sent an meeting invite with my Connect information to you | 18:13 |
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| bh526r | Meeting Time: 9am-5pm Local Time | 18:13 |
| Jeffreyc42 | ty | 18:13 |
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| bh526r | which is Pacific Time | 18:13 |
| pcarver | bh526r: Thanks. I have conflicts throughout the day but will dial in to the parts when I'm available | 18:14 |
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| bh526r | Vince: I sent the meeting invite to you too | 18:14 |
| bh526r | So on your calendar, the time should be adjusted to your Central Time | 18:14 |
| ALUVial | I'll be there in person. Sorry if not clarified by email. | 18:15 |
| Jeffreyc42 | great! | 18:15 |
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| bh526r | Great, I will let Nachi know so that he can make a name bagde for you | 18:15 |
| ALUVial | I'll email both of you shortly. | 18:15 |
| bh526r | Excellent, Vince | 18:15 |
| bh526r | So now we have 8 confirmed for F2F | 18:16 |
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| bh526r | #info Vince just confirmed his F2F attendance, so there are 8 persons confirmed now | 18:17 |
| bh526r | any question regarding F2F? | 18:17 |
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| bh526r | #topic Discuss Gluon and Nova/Neutron Interaction Model Proposal (if any) | 18:18 |
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| bh526r | #info this is also the agenda item of F2F on Thursday and Friday | 18:18 |
| bh526r | #info everyone is working on proposals, and bring it to discuss on F2F | 18:19 |
| bh526r | #topic Discuss PoC Proposal in OpenStack Summit in Barcelona (if any) | 18:20 |
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| bh526r | #info this is also one of the agenda items in F2F | 18:20 |
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| Jeffreyc42 | so I think we can remove the if :) | 18:20 |
| bh526r | #info it depends on the conclusion of interaction model too | 18:20 |
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| bh526r | #info more details are expected after F2F | 18:21 |
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| Jeffreyc42 | yeap | 18:21 |
| bh526r | #topic Discuss Project Roadmap and Schedule | 18:21 |
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| bh526r | #info it depends on previous 2 items - model and PoC scope | 18:21 |
| Jeffreyc42 | o I have something | 18:22 |
| bh526r | great | 18:22 |
| Jeffreyc42 | we can discuss in detail tomorrow | 18:22 |
| Jeffreyc42 | but basically | 18:22 |
| Jeffreyc42 | we have more servers we can use now | 18:22 |
| bh526r | cool | 18:22 |
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| Jeffreyc42 | but the OPNFV lab is moving to 1 of ericsson's very large datacenters | 18:23 |
| Jeffreyc42 | so we have some options | 18:23 |
| bh526r | #topic Discuss Infrastructure Need of Development and PoC | 18:23 |
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| bh526r | now we are under this topic :) | 18:23 |
| Jeffreyc42 | they will move everythign for us where we will have zero downtime | 18:23 |
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| bh526r | great. what do you mean "move everything for us"? | 18:24 |
| Jeffreyc42 | or we can do a new install if we want since we are adding new servers and we may want to distribute stuff on additional servers | 18:24 |
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| bh526r | will they give us the whole datacenter? | 18:24 |
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| Jeffreyc42 | no :) | 18:24 |
| Jeffreyc42 | but they are giving us more servers there :) | 18:24 |
| bh526r | :) Cool. I asked too much then :) | 18:25 |
| ALUVial | excellent. more servers the better | 18:25 |
| Jeffreyc42 | so they can move our stuff and we will never know we moved to new servers | 18:25 |
| Jeffreyc42 | or since we have more servers we may want to move stuff around so we can choose to do a new install if we want | 18:25 |
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| Jeffreyc42 | it's up to us and we can discuss more tomorrow if we want | 18:25 |
| bh526r | How many blades shall we have? Are we using the same access method? Or shall we re-apply for access? | 18:26 |
| Jeffreyc42 | same access method | 18:26 |
| Jeffreyc42 | we will see no change from that point of view | 18:26 |
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| Jeffreyc42 | they are giving us 4 and we can ask for more if we see the need | 18:26 |
| Jeffreyc42 | so let's add this to the agenda for tomorrow | 18:27 |
| bh526r | For example, we first need to Putty to G/W proxy server. Shall we use the same IP address even if tge G/W proxy server moved to new data center? | 18:27 |
| Jeffreyc42 | yeap | 18:27 |
| Jeffreyc42 | same | 18:27 |
| georgk | magic | 18:27 |
| Jeffreyc42 | :) | 18:27 |
| bh526r | Then we VNC to blade (another IP address). | 18:28 |
| bh526r | If we have more blades, do we need to know those IP addresses of additional blades? | 18:28 |
| Jeffreyc42 | correct | 18:28 |
| Jeffreyc42 | it will be the exact same just more IPs for more servers | 18:28 |
| bh526r | Cool | 18:28 |
| bh526r | Let me add this topic in the agenda for F2F | 18:29 |
| Jeffreyc42 | thanks | 18:29 |
| bh526r | #info We will have more blade servers in Ericsson's new data center | 18:29 |
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| bh526r | #info Access method stays the same. | 18:30 |
| bh526r | #info Everything stays exactly the same, but more IPs for more blades | 18:30 |
| bh526r | #info This topic is added to agenda for F2F | 18:30 |
| bh526r | #topic Discuss Project Next Steps | 18:31 |
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| bh526r | #info We will discuss lots of items at F2F | 18:31 |
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| bh526r | #info Once we conclude model, PoC scope, dev environment etc, we will have a good plan of next steps | 18:32 |
| bh526r | In addition to adding the Infrastructure topic on the agenda, anything else? | 18:33 |
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| bh526r | Any other topic you want to discuss? | 18:34 |
| bh526r | If no other topic, we are good for today. | 18:34 |
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| bh526r | Have a safe trip. | 18:35 |
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| Jeffreyc42 | thanks | 18:35 |
| bh526r | Georg and Niko - have more sleep to prepare for late night tomorrow :) | 18:35 |
| Jeffreyc42 | see you all tomorrow | 18:35 |
| georgk | talk to you tomorrow | 18:35 |
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| ALUVial | till tomorrow | 18:36 |
| bh526r | See you all tomorrow | 18:36 |
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| kamal___ | see you tomorrow | 18:36 |
| bh526r | Meeting adjourned | 18:36 |
| bh526r | Thank you all and bye | 18:36 |
| Jeffreyc42 | bye | 18:36 |
| bh526r | #endmeeting | 18:36 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Aug 17 18:36:43 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:36 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/gluon/2016/gluon.2016-08-17-18.00.html | 18:36 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/gluon/2016/gluon.2016-08-17-18.00.txt | 18:36 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/gluon/2016/gluon.2016-08-17-18.00.log.html | 18:36 |
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| Sam-I-Am | hello. docs meeting? | 19:00 |
| rcaballeromx | I'm here. | 19:00 |
| lbragstad | o/ | 19:00 |
| Sam-I-Am | annegentle: you running the meeting today? | 19:00 |
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| Sam-I-Am | or... anyone? | 19:01 |
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| rcaballeromx | Is there anything we need to discuss? | 19:02 |
| Sam-I-Am | well, there's a standing docs meeting at this time | 19:02 |
| Sam-I-Am | always something to discuss | 19:02 |
| lbragstad | i had some questions on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/349551/1 | 19:02 |
| Sam-I-Am | #startmeeting docteam | 19:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Aug 17 19:02:53 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Sam-I-Am. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 19:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'docteam' | 19:02 |
| Sam-I-Am | guess we'll get this thing rolling | 19:03 |
| annegentle | Sam-I-Am sorry, can't today | 19:04 |
| Sam-I-Am | ok | 19:04 |
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| Sam-I-Am | annegentle: well, you had two action items | 19:05 |
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| Sam-I-Am | so if you can fill us in on those, that's good | 19:05 |
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| Sam-I-Am | #topic action items from last meeting | 19:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "action items from last meeting (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 19:05 | |
| Sam-I-Am | annegentle will post to the dev mailing list regarding status code standardization | 19:06 |
| Sam-I-Am | annegentle to add file renaming to newton deliverables | 19:06 |
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| Sam-I-Am | ok, guess not | 19:07 |
| annegentle | Sam-I-Am both done | 19:07 |
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| Sam-I-Am | annegentle: thanks | 19:07 |
| Sam-I-Am | #topic specs in review | 19:07 |
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| Sam-I-Am | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/docs-specs,n,z | 19:07 |
| Sam-I-Am | i dont have much to add here | 19:07 |
| rcaballeromx | I will have something by next week's meeting. | 19:07 |
| Sam-I-Am | in specs? | 19:08 |
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| rcaballeromx | Yes. | 19:08 |
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| rcaballeromx | But it is not there yet. | 19:08 |
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| annegentle | any preview rcaballeromx ? :) | 19:09 |
| rcaballeromx | It is an expansion on the personas. | 19:09 |
| Sam-I-Am | ok, so we'll see that at some point | 19:09 |
| rcaballeromx | Including how they affect interface development. | 19:09 |
| rcaballeromx | With examples! | 19:09 |
| rcaballeromx | :D | 19:09 |
| annegentle | rcaballeromx ok, thanks | 19:09 |
| lbragstad | annegentle looking for your note to -dev on the status code standardization. Do you remember when you happen to send that? | 19:10 |
| annegentle | lbragstad sorry, I realized I sent that giant status update and read only status not status code. After talking to mugsie after the meeting, I proposed a patch. | 19:10 |
| annegentle | lbragstad let me find it | 19:10 |
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| annegentle | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/351835/ | 19:11 |
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| annegentle | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/351794/ | 19:11 |
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| annegentle | lbragstad until those land I wasn't going to email the -dev list | 19:11 |
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| lbragstad | annegentle gotcha - thanks | 19:11 |
| lbragstad | i brought it to the keystone group last week and we has some questions | 19:12 |
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| annegentle | lbragstad ok we can go over it during the api specialty topic | 19:12 |
| lbragstad | annegentle cool | 19:12 |
| Sam-I-Am | in that case... | 19:12 |
| Sam-I-Am | #topic specialty teams | 19:12 |
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| Sam-I-Am | api.. go. | 19:12 |
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| annegentle | first alphabetically too! | 19:12 |
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| ShillaSaebi | hello everyone! sorry I'm late, i had another meeting that ran late | 19:13 |
| annegentle | #info Anne patching the os-api-ref repo with example HTTP status codes | 19:13 |
| annegentle | hey ShillaSaebi :) | 19:13 |
| ShillaSaebi | Anne thank you for chairing!! | 19:13 |
| ShillaSaebi | it's been one of those days... | 19:13 |
| Sam-I-Am | except i'm chairing... | 19:13 |
| annegentle | it's Sam-I-Am who can do it! :) | 19:13 |
| ShillaSaebi | oh thank you Matt! | 19:13 |
| Sam-I-Am | anyway, continue... | 19:13 |
| annegentle | lbragstad carry on kind sir | 19:13 |
| lbragstad | annegentle i brought this https://review.openstack.org/#/c/349551/1 up to the keystone meeting last week | 19:13 |
| lbragstad | and we were looking through the examples and were curious who the intended audience was for the document? | 19:14 |
| lbragstad | would this be considered developer documentation? | 19:14 |
| annegentle | lbragstad content published to developer.openstack.org is intended for app developers | 19:14 |
| lbragstad | ok | 19:14 |
| annegentle | lbragstad contributor developers also, of course. but primary app devs, consumers of the services | 19:14 |
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| lbragstad | is the intent to give app developers a place to go when certain things go wrong, or they get unexpected error codes? | 19:15 |
| annegentle | lbragstad so that was why I was leaning away from "informal" | 19:15 |
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| annegentle | lbragstad yep | 19:15 |
| annegentle | lbragstad hence my "uh let's not poke the bear" on the informal | 19:15 |
| lbragstad | annegentle gotcha - in keystone's case we mask a lot of things with a 401 | 19:15 |
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| annegentle | lbragstad yeah you do have the chance to give specfiic info on that. if you have it. | 19:16 |
| annegentle | lbragstad instead of "informal" you'd use something more like "blah-blah-401" | 19:16 |
| annegentle | lbragstad like line 4 of https://review.openstack.org/#/c/349551/1/api-ref/source/v2/http-codes.yaml | 19:16 |
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| annegentle | lbragstad because they know more about that when it happens on a particular resource, they can sub in image-data-200 | 19:17 |
| annegentle | lbragstad in the inc file | 19:17 |
| lbragstad | so - would it be accurate to say this seems to be the inverse document of something like? http://developer.openstack.org/api-ref/identity/v3/index.html#authentication-and-token-management | 19:17 |
| lbragstad | where you have the request your making and all the possible response codes? | 19:18 |
| annegentle | lbragstad you can keep with that bulleted list thing if you like. But we're giving you the option of "A required attribute was missing." when you know that's what 401 means in a particular case every time. | 19:18 |
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| annegentle | lbragstad the idea is "add a pointer to more precise descriptions for each code" | 19:19 |
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| annegentle | lbragstad and also gives nice table formatting | 19:19 |
| lbragstad | ah | 19:19 |
| annegentle | lbragstad your generic one is ok | 19:19 |
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| lbragstad | so - what's being proposed isn't exactly a *new* document but one that can enhance what we already have if we choose to use it? | 19:20 |
| annegentle | lbragstad it's a more-parallel option | 19:21 |
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| annegentle | lbragstad parameters.yaml and status.yaml maintenance | 19:21 |
| annegentle | lbragstad right, it's a new tool | 19:21 |
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| annegentle | new feature in the os-api-ref tool | 19:21 |
| * annegentle gets precise with words | 19:21 | |
| Sam-I-Am | words have meaning | 19:22 |
| annegentle | dat's right | 19:22 |
| ShillaSaebi | +1 | 19:22 |
| annegentle | lbragstad you'd be a good reviewer on both those patches | 19:22 |
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| annegentle | lbragstad comment on clarifying when to use it, perhaps | 19:22 |
| lbragstad | annegentle sounds good - i guess the biggest thing the keystone folks were wondering is if it would duplicate doc efforts? | 19:23 |
| * rcaballeromx will take a look as well. | 19:23 | |
| annegentle | lbragstad the idea behind the example yaml is that it would give teams a good starting point | 19:23 |
| lbragstad | maybe the way i relayed the message made it seem like a reverse lookup of traditional api docs | 19:23 |
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| annegentle | lbragstad then it's all consistent messages, and teams can further clarify as needed | 19:23 |
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| annegentle | lbragstad basically trying to make it easier for teams | 19:23 |
| annegentle | 25 APIs and all that | 19:24 |
| lbragstad | sure | 19:24 |
| annegentle | thanks rcaballeromx | 19:24 |
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| Sam-I-Am | anything else for api? | 19:25 |
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| rcaballeromx | no problem annegentle | 19:25 |
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| annegentle | Sam-I-Am that's it. | 19:25 |
| Sam-I-Am | ok | 19:25 |
| * annegentle has to head out early | 19:25 | |
| Sam-I-Am | thanks | 19:25 |
| annegentle | thanks Sam-I-Am ShillaSaebi | 19:25 |
| ShillaSaebi | thanks annegentle have a good one! | 19:25 |
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| Sam-I-Am | networking guide... i'm trying to backport the reorg patch which involves another patch to add redirects | 19:26 |
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| lbragstad | so - i'll bring this all back to the keystone group and see if it clears up some of the confusion we had | 19:26 |
| annegentle | lbragstad thanks | 19:26 |
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| lbragstad | annegentle thanks for the explanation :) | 19:26 |
| Sam-I-Am | while that's in the queue, i'm reorganizing the deployment scenarios to use building blocks rather than more or less repeating a LOT of information | 19:26 |
| Sam-I-Am | start simple, get more complex is the theme | 19:26 |
| ShillaSaebi | cool | 19:27 |
| Sam-I-Am | its a lot of work, but hopefully it ends well | 19:27 |
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| ShillaSaebi | fingers crossed | 19:28 |
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| rcaballeromx | +1 | 19:28 |
| Sam-I-Am | yep | 19:28 |
| Sam-I-Am | thats it for networking | 19:28 |
| Sam-I-Am | install guide | 19:29 |
| Sam-I-Am | this is about when i'd expect to see config updates for newton, but i havent seen any | 19:29 |
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| Sam-I-Am | but its not my project | 19:29 |
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| Sam-I-Am | any other specialty team reports? | 19:29 |
| ShillaSaebi | ops/arch guide update: ops guide reorg in progress | 19:29 |
| Sam-I-Am | i've seen some of those patches go by | 19:30 |
| ShillaSaebi | working on getting some more enterprise docs added into the ops guide | 19:30 |
| ShillaSaebi | the rabbit MQ troubleshooting one was the start of it | 19:30 |
| Sam-I-Am | those would make sense | 19:30 |
| Sam-I-Am | i'm still on the idea we should consolidate our books to make things easier to find | 19:31 |
| Sam-I-Am | but thats another topic... | 19:31 |
| ShillaSaebi | Arch Guide working group proposed a series of short sprints and working in pairs as SMEs...Dates TBD | 19:31 |
| ShillaSaebi | yeah i don't disagree with you there | 19:31 |
| ShillaSaebi | eventually | 19:31 |
| Sam-I-Am | i've been trying, but its not gaining a lot of traction | 19:31 |
| Sam-I-Am | everything in one place, organized by service | 19:31 |
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| ShillaSaebi | yeah I can see that | 19:32 |
| ShillaSaebi | that's all I got really on the ops/arch guide | 19:32 |
| Sam-I-Am | maybe a spec for O :) | 19:32 |
| ShillaSaebi | yeah maybe :) | 19:32 |
| Sam-I-Am | ok. any other specialty groups? | 19:32 |
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| Sam-I-Am | #topic #open discussion | 19:33 |
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| Sam-I-Am | oops | 19:33 |
| Sam-I-Am | #topic open discussion | 19:33 |
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| Sam-I-Am | anything else? | 19:33 |
| ShillaSaebi | are u going to be in NY? | 19:33 |
| ShillaSaebi | for either OpenStack East or the mid cycle? | 19:33 |
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| Sam-I-Am | i'm going to the ops mid | 19:33 |
| Sam-I-Am | and apparently moderating the docs session | 19:34 |
| ShillaSaebi | nice! | 19:34 |
| ShillaSaebi | ill be at openstack east but not the mid cycle | 19:34 |
| * rcaballeromx is sad to miss it. | 19:35 | |
| Sam-I-Am | doh. they're close, arent they? | 19:35 |
| ShillaSaebi | yeah i think openstack east is Tues/Wed and midcycle is Thurs/Friday? | 19:35 |
| ShillaSaebi | both in NY | 19:35 |
| Sam-I-Am | something like that | 19:35 |
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| ShillaSaebi | ok | 19:35 |
| ShillaSaebi | well i don't have anything else | 19:35 |
| Sam-I-Am | me neither | 19:35 |
| ShillaSaebi | sorry i was late! | 19:35 |
| Sam-I-Am | i think we're done | 19:35 |
| ShillaSaebi | have a good one and talk to you all later! | 19:36 |
| Sam-I-Am | #endmeeting | 19:36 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Aug 17 19:36:16 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:36 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2016/docteam.2016-08-17-19.02.html | 19:36 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2016/docteam.2016-08-17-19.02.txt | 19:36 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2016/docteam.2016-08-17-19.02.log.html | 19:36 |
| rcaballeromx | Take care guys. | 19:36 |
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| notmyname | swift meeting time | 21:00 |
| notmyname | #startmeeting swift | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Aug 17 21:00:05 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is notmyname. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'swift' | 21:00 |
| notmyname | who's here for the swift team meeting? | 21:00 |
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| cschwede | o/ | 21:00 |
| jrichli | sup | 21:00 |
| joeljwright | hello | 21:00 |
| mattoliverau | o/ | 21:00 |
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| kei_yama | o/ | 21:00 |
| acoles | here | 21:00 |
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| cutforth | o/ | 21:00 |
| notmyname | welcome | 21:00 |
| notmyname | agenda this week is https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Swift | 21:01 |
| notmyname | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Swift | 21:01 |
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| csmart | \o | 21:01 |
| notmyname | I want to go over "this week in the tc..." and then hear from people as to what you're workign on and how's it going | 21:01 |
| nadeem | o/ | 21:02 |
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| notmyname | timburke: torgomatic: courtesy ping | 21:02 |
| torgomatic | ohai | 21:02 |
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| dmorita | hi | 21:02 |
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| timburke | hi | 21:02 |
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| notmyname | #topic tc goals | 21:02 |
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| notmyname | you may have seen this email thread on the mailing list | 21:03 |
| notmyname | here's the summary of the tc decision this week: | 21:03 |
| notmyname | the TC will set openstack-wide goals for every project to implement in a given development cycle | 21:03 |
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| notmyname | the 2 proposed goals for the octa release are (1) stop using any oslo incubated code and (3) full py35 compatibility, including all tests and all services running under py35 | 21:04 |
| notmyname | if the second one sounds ... ambitious, you aren't alone :-) | 21:05 |
| joeljwright | :) | 21:05 |
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| notmyname | and there are likely other projects (including nova) that will likely not be able to implement that during the octa cycle | 21:05 |
| notmyname | so the debate continues | 21:05 |
| notmyname | but that being said, there's the current status and something we'll all be affected by | 21:05 |
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| notmyname | if you want the details, I'll point you to the ML thread and/or the gerrit review | 21:06 |
| cschwede | notmyname: can you link them here? | 21:06 |
| notmyname | ok. give me a moment | 21:06 |
| mattoliverau | notmyname: you mean you weren't prepared :P | 21:06 |
| csmart | :-o | 21:07 |
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| notmyname | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/349068/ | 21:07 |
| patchbot | notmyname: patch 349068 - governance - describe a process for managing community-wide goals (MERGED) | 21:07 |
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| mattoliverau | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/349068/ | 21:07 |
| patchbot | mattoliverau: patch 349068 - governance - describe a process for managing community-wide goals (MERGED) | 21:07 |
| acoles | the TC meeting log is here http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2016/tc.2016-08-16-20.02.log.html | 21:08 |
| cschwede | notmyname: mattoliverau: acoles: thx a lot! | 21:08 |
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| notmyname | and http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-August/100537.html seems to be close enough to the top of the thread to pick it up | 21:08 |
| notmyname | the recent branch of it is at http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-August/101348.html | 21:09 |
| notmyname | so peruse those and feel free to ask questions | 21:09 |
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| notmyname | any questions or comments on that topic before we move on? | 21:10 |
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| notmyname | ok, let's move on then | 21:11 |
| acoles | notmyname: what useful input can be made to the debate? | 21:11 |
| acoles | from swift I mean | 21:11 |
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| notmyname | when it comes to the goals themselves, we'll need to give realistic feedback about what it will take for us to implement them | 21:12 |
| notmyname | as to the process itself, it seems that the debate is over | 21:12 |
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| acoles | understood re process, just wondering how they will decide on the py35 for ocata goal | 21:13 |
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| notmyname | my understanding is that the goal is proposed and approved by the tc and then the feedback is given by the projects by a relatively early date in the release cycle | 21:14 |
| notmyname | although there seemed to be some debate in the meeting on if that was actually a good process or not. so it might be tweaked | 21:15 |
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| notmyname | but that's what's on record now | 21:15 |
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| notmyname | I guess what I'm saying is that "py35 in octa" is decided. we can give feedback later on what we're doing to make that happen | 21:16 |
| notmyname | at least, that's my understanding of the current situation | 21:16 |
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| notmyname | acoles: is that how you saw it? | 21:17 |
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| acoles | notmyname: thanks for clarifying. I was not sure if the py35 goal had been adopted or just proposed | 21:18 |
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| notmyname | actually, it hasn't landed yet, so it's not formally adopted. so there might be some small changes, I suppose | 21:18 |
| notmyname | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/349069/ | 21:18 |
| patchbot | notmyname: patch 349069 - governance - add ocata goal "support python 3.5" | 21:18 |
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| notmyname | looks like a new patch set was uploaded in the past hour, so i'll need to look at that | 21:19 |
| notmyname | anythign else on this topic? | 21:19 |
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| notmyname | ok, moving on | 21:20 |
| notmyname | #topic status updates | 21:20 |
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| notmyname | it's been a crazy few weeks, with the golang stuff and the other tc debates | 21:21 |
| notmyname | or at least, it's been crazy for me. I hope you've been more productive :-) | 21:21 |
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| notmyname | so that being said, I want to hear what you're working on, how's it going, and where we can all pitch in | 21:21 |
| onovy | Looking for final +A for ionice / nice patch | 21:22 |
| notmyname | onovy: yeah, I think between mattoliverau and clayg, we should have that | 21:22 |
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| nadeem | still working on repconn patch..hoping to finish it this week. | 21:22 |
| notmyname | nadeem: great!! | 21:22 |
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| notmyname | nadeem: I'm looking forward to seeing that | 21:22 |
| notmyname | timburke: you've been working on the history mode versioning, right? what's going on there? | 21:23 |
| mattoliverau | onovy: yeah, if clayg is only co-authored by doeing some nits, then I can change mine to a +A | 21:23 |
| onovy | mattoliverau: coauthored was added by Peter | 21:23 |
| timburke | notmyname: responding about as quickly as i can now that it's finally got some attention | 21:23 |
| onovy | Just because he used few ideas from clay | 21:23 |
| timburke | hasn't changed materially in months | 21:23 |
| torgomatic | I wrote multi-range GETs for SLOs; it's in gerrit. I mostly did that since I'm reusing SegmentedIterable in some other code for which I need multi-range support, not because there's some burning desire for this functionality in SLO. | 21:24 |
| notmyname | timburke: so are we going to land it soon? | 21:24 |
| cschwede | just uploaded a new patchset for the partpower increase - will continue with the tempurl stuff | 21:24 |
| notmyname | cschwede: nice! | 21:24 |
| jrichli | timburke: I owe you a reply on history mode. It's on my list. I need to talk with somebody | 21:24 |
| timburke | that's the hope :-) | 21:24 |
| acoles | oshritf and I have been working on process concurrency for container sync, patch is ready for review https://review.openstack.org/210099 | 21:24 |
| cschwede | jrichli: timburke: me to, i will do another review tomorrow morning | 21:24 |
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| timburke | there's also the slo-etag-in-sysmeta change -- patch 347538 | 21:25 |
| patchbot | timburke: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/347538/ - swift - Store SLO Etag and swift_bytes in sysmeta | 21:25 |
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| timburke | which fell out of some investigation for swift3 about conditional requests and SLOs. the long and short of it was, don't mess with SLO etags :( | 21:26 |
| timburke | (at least on swift pre-that-patch) | 21:26 |
| jrichli | lol. large object are such a problem child! | 21:26 |
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| notmyname | joeljwright: I've still got "release swift client" on my todo list... anything to update on work needed there? | 21:27 |
| onovy | mattoliverau: so I think you can +A if nobody complains :-) | 21:27 |
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| timburke | there's at least one new bug (which i'm still writing up) that would block it | 21:27 |
| joeljwright | notmyname: it would be great to see the copy method patch added | 21:27 |
| joeljwright | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/280200/ | 21:27 |
| patchbot | joeljwright: patch 280200 - python-swiftclient - Add copy object method | 21:27 |
| onovy | Aha copy from Marek | 21:27 |
| notmyname | joeljwright: welll *somebody* put a -1 one on it! ;-) | 21:28 |
| mattoliverau | onovy: I'll take a look again post meeting and breakfast | 21:28 |
| onovy | Marek is not working for Seznam anymore. So he will not update it | 21:28 |
| timburke | (requests started getting picky about header types/format) | 21:28 |
| onovy | mattoliverau: cool thanks | 21:28 |
| joeljwright | timburke: what's the bug? | 21:28 |
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| notmyname | onovy: ah, good info. thanks | 21:28 |
| joeljwright | and there it is | 21:28 |
| notmyname | joeljwright: can you push your typos fixes over? | 21:28 |
| onovy | notmyname: but Peter can work on it. But not now, too busy | 21:28 |
| timburke | -H 'X-Storage-Policy: EC' doesn't work. needs to be -H 'X-Storage-Policy:EC' now (no space) | 21:29 |
| onovy | So I am fine if someone can take it and finish it | 21:29 |
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| joeljwright | notmyname: yeah, the -1 I put on could be easily fixed with a small patch | 21:29 |
| joeljwright | I can do that tomorrow | 21:29 |
| notmyname | joeljwright: ok. thanks. | 21:29 |
| onovy | Cool, thanks | 21:29 |
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| notmyname | timburke: ummm...that's...weird? | 21:29 |
| redbo | I'm benchmarking a golang container server. And an alternative backend that uses boltdb. | 21:30 |
| mattoliverau | timburke: whitespace is from the devel after all :P | 21:30 |
| timburke | notmyname: related (at least vaguely) to my reply on the ML: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-August/101765.html | 21:30 |
| redbo | I may try leveldb/rocksdb, but it's a little more complicated because there aren't transactions. | 21:31 |
| notmyname | redbo: interesting. | 21:31 |
| onovy | And do we need transactions? | 21:31 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: speaking of containers, any progress on sharding? | 21:32 |
| redbo | things like merging objects kind of need to be able to read/modify/write transactionally. | 21:32 |
| onovy | Ah right | 21:32 |
| joeljwright | timburke: let me know if there's something I can look at when you've got a patch/bug report | 21:32 |
| jrichli | tdasilva has been working on symlinks ( I guess he is away now ). I still need to play around with the latest patchset! | 21:33 |
| mattoliverau | yeah, i've been distracted with the Flu and the wifes surgery the last week or so.. but making progress, container backend has support for the 2 databases.. still more to do there.. and about 1/2 thorugh the container consistency engine.. I have a trello board I try and keep up to date (which I shouhd update).. its linked on the ideas page | 21:33 |
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| notmyname | mattoliverau: ack | 21:33 |
| mattoliverau | next steps will me sharder modification. | 21:34 |
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| acoles | I put up a patch to get rid of .durable files so we use less inodes https://review.openstack.org/355958 | 21:35 |
| mattoliverau | s/me/be/ | 21:35 |
| notmyname | acoles: yay | 21:35 |
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| cschwede | acoles: nice! adding this to my to-review-list | 21:36 |
| notmyname | lot's going on. instead of feeling overwhelmed, it makes me happy. :-) | 21:36 |
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| notmyname | I need to update stars/priority reviews/etc. I'll do that asap | 21:36 |
| acoles | cschwede: notmyname 90% of the diff lines are in tests :/ but lots of those are duplicating for old and new durable scheme | 21:37 |
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| notmyname | I'll be traveling to NYC next week for OpenStack East and the ops meetup. | 21:37 |
| notmyname | I think I'll see tdasilva there | 21:37 |
| notmyname | anyone else going? | 21:38 |
| notmyname | acoles: you'll be out all next week? and the following? | 21:38 |
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| mattoliverau | bit far for me :P | 21:38 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: swim ;-) | 21:38 |
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| mattoliverau | notmyname: lol, I see what you did there! | 21:38 |
| acoles | notmyname: yes I am away for next two weeks | 21:39 |
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| notmyname | kota is out this week and IIRC will be back next week | 21:39 |
| notmyname | and joeljwright, you'll be on vacation soon right? end of this month? | 21:39 |
| mattoliverau | acoles: vacation? is it suppose to be summer on the other side of the world or something. | 21:40 |
| joeljwright | no, end of sept | 21:40 |
| notmyname | joeljwright: ah, ok | 21:40 |
| jrichli | acoles is going to the US! | 21:40 |
| onovy | Btw: what is release plan? Any deadlines? :-) | 21:40 |
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| notmyname | onovy: great question | 21:40 |
| * onovy need to prepare Debian package :-) | 21:41 | |
| joeljwright | :) | 21:41 |
| notmyname | we need to have a release for newton by the end of september | 21:41 |
| notmyname | for swift | 21:41 |
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| acoles | mattoliverau: ironically it is quite summer-like in UK but we're heading elsewhere | 21:41 |
| notmyname | I suspect that will be the next release we have (we *might* could have one before then, but I doubt it) | 21:42 |
| onovy | Ok | 21:42 |
| onovy | And client? | 21:42 |
| mattoliverau | acoles: lol, you should save up your leave and come to Oz in your winter.. how theres a holiday ;) | 21:42 |
| notmyname | and I'd like to do a client release asap. call it the next couple of weeks? | 21:42 |
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| onovy | Nice thanks | 21:42 |
| notmyname | http://releases.openstack.org/newton/schedule.html | 21:42 |
| joeljwright | ok, I'll get some time put aside for reviews and updates on the client | 21:42 |
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| notmyname | I propose we do not meet next week. unless someone would like to volunteer to chair | 21:43 |
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| notmyname | anything else from anyone to bring up in this week's meeting? | 21:44 |
| joeljwright | yeah, actually I have | 21:44 |
| joeljwright | while I've been hiding | 21:44 |
| mattoliverau | I'm happy no meeting.. if we decide that needs to change, then we can figure something out.. I'm excited about possibly sleeping in a little :) | 21:44 |
| joeljwright | I've been working on a middleware I'd like to open source | 21:44 |
| notmyname | joeljwright: cool | 21:44 |
| joeljwright | (based on SLO to make TAR objjects) | 21:45 |
| notmyname | joeljwright: oh? like a reverse bulk upload? | 21:45 |
| joeljwright | but what's the best process to make this thing available? | 21:45 |
| joeljwright | I still have work to do, but it's at a point where feedback would be helpful :) | 21:45 |
| notmyname | joeljwright: do you want it to be upstream in swift? or do you just want it to be open? | 21:45 |
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| onovy | Create new os project with infra? | 21:46 |
| onovy | Or merge it to swift | 21:46 |
| joeljwright | notmyname: I suppose that depends on interest | 21:46 |
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| notmyname | joeljwright: if it's the reverse of the bulk upload, I'm interested :-) | 21:46 |
| * onovy too | 21:46 | |
| cschwede | joeljwright: i’m interested! had something similar in mind for some time... | 21:46 |
| mattoliverau | joeljwright: start as a patch to swift, we can take it from there ;) | 21:46 |
| notmyname | so there's 2 options | 21:46 |
| notmyname | either just straight up propose it to swift as a patch in gerrit | 21:47 |
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| notmyname | or write up something and put it in your own code hosting thing (github or otherwise) and link it on the ideas wiki | 21:47 |
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| onovy | +1 for first option | 21:47 |
| notmyname | but either way, then you'll need to bug people to look at it. and we can take it from there | 21:47 |
| csmart | nice one joeljwright | 21:47 |
| joeljwright | the hardest part for me with option 1 is that it's targetted at 2.2.x | 21:48 |
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| timburke | oh yeah, there's another thing i've been working on! https://review.openstack.org/#/c/342857 | 21:48 |
| patchbot | timburke: patch 342857 - swift - Add defaulter middleware | 21:48 |
| joeljwright | but making a patch might be the easiest way to get it under noses | 21:49 |
| joeljwright | thanks everyone | 21:49 |
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| mattoliverau | timburke: I've been meaning to look at that.. I'll try and get to it this week | 21:49 |
| onovy | Btw I added all manpages | 21:49 |
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| notmyname | onovy: thanks | 21:49 |
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| onovy | Can't found patch now, I am on cellphone | 21:50 |
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| timburke | another thing (still thinking of that requests upgrade): what do we think about developers passing headers like {'X-Object-Meta-Foo': 1000}? should we change swiftclient to str-ify all header args, or should we go fix https://github.com/openstack/swift/blob/master/test/probe/test_object_expirer.py#L72 ? probably worth considering the discussion at https://github.com/kennethreitz/requests/pull/3366 | 21:50 |
| notmyname | onovy: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/355187/ | 21:50 |
| patchbot | notmyname: patch 355187 - swift - Added missing manpages for all cli tools | 21:50 |
| onovy | Yep that's it | 21:50 |
| onovy | Help2man is your friend | 21:51 |
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| notmyname | timburke: I'm not up to date on teh requests upgrade topic, but my gut reaction is that we should assume headers are strings and not any other particular type | 21:51 |
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| notmyname | timburke: where's the requests upgrade discussion/but/whatever happening? | 21:52 |
| notmyname | how do I get caught up there? | 21:52 |
| timburke | but when they aren't, should we (a) yell loudly, (b) do nothing and let requests (maybe) yell loudly, or (c) coerce it to a string | 21:53 |
| onovy | And another topic we was working hls live streaming directly from swift. And guess what, it's working and we will use it :-) | 21:53 |
| timburke | notmyname: go see the requests pull | 21:53 |
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| notmyname | timburke: ok. has this trickled into openstack yet? | 21:54 |
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| notmyname | onovy: awesome | 21:54 |
| onovy | I will show demo when it will be ready | 21:54 |
| timburke | notmyname: i've seen a message on the ML related to it | 21:54 |
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| joeljwright | timburke: I'll have a read of that requests backgroud and try to form an opinion | 21:54 |
| notmyname | ok | 21:54 |
| timburke | joeljwright: thanks | 21:54 |
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| notmyname | anything else from anyone this week? | 21:54 |
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| onovy | -> bed, thanks, gn | 21:55 |
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| kota_ | hello | 21:55 |
| mattoliverau | onovy: o/ | 21:55 |
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| mattoliverau | kota_: little late, but you made it! | 21:55 |
| kota_ | sorry, my alarm has been stopped. | 21:56 |
| notmyname | kota_: no worries :-) | 21:56 |
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| notmyname | everyone, thank you for coming to the meeting this week | 21:56 |
| notmyname | and thank you for working on swift. it's very nice, for me, (especially after all the recent discussions) to hear about the feature being written, the bugs being fixed, and the prod use cases being addressed :-) | 21:57 |
| notmyname | no meeting next week, and I'll see you in #openstack-swift | 21:57 |
| notmyname | #endmeeting | 21:57 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Aug 17 21:57:31 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:57 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2016/swift.2016-08-17-21.00.html | 21:57 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2016/swift.2016-08-17-21.00.txt | 21:57 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2016/swift.2016-08-17-21.00.log.html | 21:57 |
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| mattoliverau | thanks again notmyname! | 21:57 |
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| jrichli | +1 | 21:58 |
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| csmart | o/ | 21:58 |
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