| thinrichs | courtesy ping: ekcs, aimeeu, ramineni, masahito | 00:00 |
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| thinrichs | #startmeeting CongressTeamMeeting | 00:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 21 00:00:34 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is thinrichs. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 00:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 00:00 |
| ekcs | hi all | 00:00 |
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| aimeeu | helloooo | 00:00 |
| thinrichs | hi | 00:00 |
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| masahito | hi | 00:01 |
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| thinrichs | Agenda for today... | 00:02 |
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| thinrichs | 1. Status updates | 00:02 |
| thinrichs | 2. Mascots | 00:02 |
| thinrichs | Anything else? | 00:02 |
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| thinrichs | #topic Status updates | 00:03 |
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| thinrichs | ekcs: want to start the status updates? | 00:03 |
| ekcs | sure. | 00:04 |
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| ekcs | api routing patch in review. will rebase today. #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/341904/ | 00:04 |
| ekcs | local leader for replicated PE merged. Thanks! | 00:05 |
| ekcs | threod safety review ready to merge. #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/335721/ | 00:05 |
| ekcs | working on persisting pushed data. it’s not completely straight forward because schemas can change a lot from DS to DS. My plan right now is to use a single table to store all pushed data from all tables in all DS. | 00:07 |
| thinrichs | Does our push driver even accept arbitrary schemas? Last time I worked on it, it didn't | 00:07 |
| ekcs | each DS-table data is a row in the DB data stored as json. downside is can’t take as much advantage of differential update. | 00:07 |
| ekcs | that’s all my updates. | 00:08 |
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| ekcs | it doesn’t. but new drivers can have arbitrary schema. it becomes very messy and hacky to all new tables through sqlalchemy say whenever someone wants to use a custom DSD. | 00:09 |
| ekcs | or changes the tables of an existing DSD. | 00:09 |
| ekcs | s/to all new tables/to add new tables | 00:09 |
| ekcs | happy to hear more thoughts on it! | 00:09 |
| thinrichs | ekcs: agreed that we should handle it all at once. More just remembering that we need to enhance the push driver | 00:10 |
| thinrichs | Not sure what else we can do in terms of differential updates since the underlying DB doesn't support JSON structured data. | 00:10 |
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| thinrichs | Or…can we persist the translated version of the data, so that it's all relational? | 00:11 |
| ekcs | yea. initially i thought it would be great for each DS table to be a DB table. but that doesn’t seem like a great idea. | 00:11 |
| thinrichs | B/c then we're creating/deleting tables in the DB all the time? | 00:11 |
| ekcs | that IS what i’m planning to do. persist the tranaslated version. but yea then we’re adding and deleting tables all the time. there are hacky python blackmagic ways set DB schema based dynamically on DSD classes, but not sure that’s a good idea. | 00:12 |
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| thinrichs | So it's a sqlalchemy problem? The DB itself has no problem creating/deleting tables. | 00:13 |
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| ekcs | maybe. | 00:14 |
| ekcs | at least partly sqlalchemy problem. | 00:14 |
| ekcs | mostly I think. | 00:14 |
| thinrichs | Without looking at SQLAlchemy, I'd have guessed we would take a prefix like 'dsd' and then every time a push datasource named P gets created we create the table 'dsd.P' in the database. | 00:15 |
| ekcs | but not going through sqlalchemy loses DB compatibilty. | 00:15 |
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| ekcs | thinrichs: yea something like that. | 00:15 |
| thinrichs | So SQLAlchemy has no way to create tables? | 00:16 |
| ekcs | there may be. I may need to look deeper at that because it’s a different side of sqlalchemy than what we’ve been using (ORM). | 00:16 |
| masahito | oslo db supports creating db with ORM. | 00:17 |
| masahito | s/creating db/creating table/ | 00:17 |
| thinrichs | http://stackoverflow.com/questions/973481/dynamic-table-creation-and-orm-mapping-in-sqlalchemy | 00:17 |
| ekcs | do you think it’s a good idea to dynamically extract from a DSD class the schema (including types) of the table and create DB tables? | 00:17 |
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| thinrichs | We could just require the PushDrivers to declare types. In fact, we already have some mechanism for doing that, I think. | 00:18 |
| ekcs | thinrichs: yea I read that thread, which seems to point people to sql soup as another layer over sqlalchemy, in order to do that. | 00:18 |
| masahito | I don't think it's good idea to add dynamically table. | 00:18 |
| thinrichs | masahito: why? | 00:19 |
| masahito | For upgrading. | 00:19 |
| masahito | oslo db manages the table schema for online schema upgrade now. | 00:20 |
| thinrichs | ekcs: the top-rated answer on the SO message looks straightforward | 00:20 |
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| ekcs | thinrichs: no actually that answer just tells you to structure it so you add rows not tables. | 00:21 |
| masahito | I thought if we added a dynamic table oslo db couldn't manage it. | 00:21 |
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| ekcs | masahito: hmm interesting i’ll need to look more at that. I would’ve thought we could just delete all the persisted push data on upgrades. | 00:22 |
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| thinrichs | ekcs: last line says "That's it, you now have a your player table." Seems like it's creating a new table with Python code by declaring the types of the columns and mapping it to a Python class. We'd need to run similar code every time a datasource was instantiated. (Not sure about the Class though). | 00:23 |
| masahito | ekcs: oh. I didn't have the idea. If we can do it, there is no problem. | 00:23 |
| thinrichs | masahito: upgrade is an interesting case. If we're upgrading in place, we wouldn't want to throw away all the pushed data. | 00:24 |
| thinrichs | What I don't know is whether oslo-db handles dynamic tables. | 00:24 |
| thinrichs | For upgrade we should think thru that. Those dynamically generated tables probably just wouldn't ever need to be changed (since if they did, the data would need to be transformed anyhow). | 00:25 |
| thinrichs | And the name of the table is based on an entry from a separate table in the DB. | 00:26 |
| thinrichs | So as long as the migration script didn't delete them, they should be fine. | 00:26 |
| thinrichs | Anyway, this is an interesting topic. I think we've got a few of the issues at least identified now. | 00:27 |
| thinrichs | Thanks for taking this on ekcs! | 00:27 |
| ekcs | yus. | 00:29 |
| ekcs | yu.s | 00:29 |
| ekcs | yups | 00:29 |
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| thinrichs | One last thought…I guess the downside to putting all the data into a single row is that it will be expensive to read/write. I have no idea how expensive. | 00:29 |
| thinrichs | Writing happens on every push; reading happens only when restarting Congress. | 00:29 |
| thinrichs | Unless there's something else on this topic, aimeeu: want to give a status update? | 00:30 |
| aimeeu | sure | 00:30 |
| ekcs | yup. depends on how big the table is I guess. | 00:30 |
| aimeeu | I'm stuck for now on the horizon plugin bug #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/congress/+bug/1602837 Spent 3 days on this and | 00:30 |
| aimeeu | finally hit a wall. Looked through lots of code and read lots of documentation. Earlier today I sent an email to [openstack-dev][Congress] but have not pushed a patch set yet. I'd appreciate it if you all could read the email when you have time and offer suggestions. I'm not giving up, just putting it aside for a day or two. | 00:30 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1602837 in congress "Policy UI (Horizon): Unable to get policies list (devstack)" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to Aimee Ukasick (aimeeu) | 00:30 |
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| aimeeu | Picked up the HAHT overview and deployment guide documentation tasks. | 00:31 |
| aimeeu | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/congress/+bug/1600016 | 00:31 |
| aimeeu | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/congress/+bug/1600017 | 00:31 |
| aimeeu | Also after I've finished the guides, I'd like to try the tempest tests, basic - #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/congress/+bug/1600021 | 00:31 |
| aimeeu | Also trying to keep up with code reviews. I do look at the more complicated ones but don't understand enough yet to +/- 1 | 00:31 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1600016 in congress "HAHT - overview guide" [Low,New] - Assigned to Aimee Ukasick (aimeeu) | 00:31 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1600017 in congress "HAHT - Deployment guide" [Medium,New] - Assigned to Aimee Ukasick (aimeeu) | 00:31 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1600021 in congress "HAHT - tempest tests, basic" [Medium,New] - Assigned to Aimee Ukasick (aimeeu) | 00:31 |
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| aimeeu | That's all for me. Feeling a bit frustrated by my lack of progress but I am learning a lot. | 00:32 |
| thinrichs | Does the congress python client support keystone v3? | 00:32 |
| aimeeu | I thought it did | 00:32 |
| aimeeu | I'll double check | 00:33 |
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| thinrichs | ramineni knows best, I think | 00:33 |
| thinrichs | Seem to remember that it does, but worth double-checking | 00:33 |
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| aimeeu | keystoneauth1>=2.7.0 | 00:33 |
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| thinrichs | aimeeu: just a word of caution: tempest tests can be difficult because they get run in an environment that's not always easy to replicate | 00:35 |
| aimeeu | thinrichs: OK. I'll keep that in mind and will not be offended if somebody else wants to take that task. | 00:35 |
| thinrichs | Sounds like you've been busy! Great! | 00:36 |
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| aimeeu | thinrichs: yes, and learning tons - it will all click soon | 00:36 |
| thinrichs | aimeeu: let us know how we can help. We all know how hard starting a new project can be. | 00:37 |
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| thinrichs | masahito: want to do a status update? | 00:37 |
| masahito | sure | 00:37 |
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| masahito | custom resource agent and its guide are in review. #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/342853/ | 00:38 |
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| masahito | And I started to implement the lazy datasource function though the spec hasn't been approval yet. | 00:39 |
| masahito | that's from my side | 00:39 |
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| thinrichs | masahito: looks like ekcs has another question or two on the spec | 00:41 |
| ekcs | thinrichs: just clarification questions. | 00:41 |
| masahito | I think yes is answer for both questions. | 00:42 |
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| thinrichs | This is the one where we're (i) adding configuration to each datasource that records laziness for each table and (ii) adds an API call that updates the datasource config. Right? | 00:43 |
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| masahito | right. | 00:43 |
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| ekcs | great. | 00:44 |
| thinrichs | Why would we need a new update_from_datasource method then? | 00:44 |
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| thinrichs | Wouldn't we just modify the one that exists (for each datasource, perhaps) so that it only runs the translators that it needs to? | 00:45 |
| ekcs | yes I think we are saying the same thing differently. | 00:45 |
| masahito | oh, a new update_from_datasource means modify the method. | 00:46 |
| thinrichs | ekcs: ok. Just wanted to make sure we were all on the same page | 00:46 |
| thinrichs | masahito: great | 00:46 |
| thinrichs | ekcs: are you happy with that spec now? Shall we merge it after the meeting? | 00:46 |
| ekcs | yup. | 00:46 |
| thinrichs | Sounds good. | 00:47 |
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| thinrichs | No ramineni today, so I'm the last for the status update. | 00:47 |
| thinrichs | I pushed a patch that makes distributed_architecture true by default | 00:48 |
| thinrichs | Moved all the tests2 over to tests | 00:48 |
| thinrichs | Removed all the code using distributed_arch | 00:48 |
| thinrichs | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/344551/ | 00:48 |
| thinrichs | Still need to remove original dse/ folder. | 00:48 |
| thinrichs | Seem to be some tests that are still importing it. | 00:49 |
| ekcs | awesome. | 00:49 |
| thinrichs | The good news is that all the unit tests pass | 00:49 |
| thinrichs | py34 and py27 | 00:49 |
| thinrichs | The new_arch unit tests fail b/c there's no test2 | 00:49 |
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| thinrichs | I think I saw the devstack tests pass | 00:49 |
| thinrichs | The new_arch devstack tests failed, but I haven't figured out why. Looks to be a super-slow node. | 00:50 |
| thinrichs | Does anyone know what the new_arch devstack tests are actually doing? | 00:50 |
| thinrichs | Are they running all the same tempest tests but with distributed_arch set to true? | 00:50 |
| masahito | yes, the test runs same tempest tests. | 00:51 |
| ekcs | thinrichs: I think so. with one or two disabled that we haven’t got around to supporting yet. | 00:51 |
| thinrichs | Okay, so as long as the regular devstack tests pass, we should be good to go. | 00:51 |
| masahito | the difference is only the flag of distributed architecture. | 00:51 |
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| thinrichs | I think ramineni may have re-enabled all those tempest tests in the new_arch | 00:52 |
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| ekcs | ok | 00:52 |
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| thinrichs | I need to rebase b/c of a merge conflict, and then I'll have gerrit rerun the devstack stacks | 00:53 |
| thinrichs | I'll add tests2 back, so the new_arch unit tests will pass. | 00:54 |
| thinrichs | Hopefully then everything will be passing. | 00:54 |
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| thinrichs | It's a large change set, but it's all superficial changes | 00:54 |
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| ekcs | great. | 00:55 |
| thinrichs | It'd be fine to split it up amongst everyone, so at least someone has looked at everything. | 00:55 |
| thinrichs | Running short on time… one more agenda item. | 00:56 |
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| thinrichs | #topic Mascots | 00:56 |
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| thinrichs | Remember that we need to pick out mascots. | 00:56 |
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| thinrichs | ekcs: thanks for posting a suggestion... | 00:56 |
| thinrichs | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-July/099413.html | 00:56 |
| thinrichs | Our list so far is … Areopagus, salamander, raven, baboon | 00:57 |
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| thinrichs | ekcs and I seem to be in agreement that salamander is the best of the animal choices, followed by raven, followed by baboon. | 00:57 |
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| thinrichs | Areopagus is a big rock (right ekcs?) | 00:57 |
| masahito | thinrichs: I agree the order. | 00:58 |
| thinrichs | with a rich history and quite good choice for Congress | 00:58 |
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| thinrichs | Downside is that it's hard to spell and I'd never heard of it | 00:58 |
| aimeeu | thinrichs: I as well on the order. I like Areopagus | 00:58 |
| ekcs | thinrichs: right. | 00:58 |
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| thinrichs | Also, having a hard time imagining the logo (though isn't there some insurance company in the US with a large rock as its logo?) | 00:59 |
| aimeeu | Prudential | 00:59 |
| thinrichs | #link https://www.prudential.com/ | 01:00 |
| thinrichs | Check out upper-left corner (probably better images somewhere) | 01:00 |
| thinrichs | aimeeu: thanks! | 01:00 |
| thinrichs | If we have any other ideas, add them to the mailing list. | 01:00 |
| thinrichs | But for now we seem to have concensus on the order above. | 01:00 |
| thinrichs | Out of time. | 01:01 |
| thinrichs | Thanks all! | 01:01 |
| thinrichs | #endmeeting | 01:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jul 21 01:01:18 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 01:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2016/congressteammeeting.2016-07-21-00.00.html | 01:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2016/congressteammeeting.2016-07-21-00.00.txt | 01:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2016/congressteammeeting.2016-07-21-00.00.log.html | 01:01 |
| masahito | thank all. | 01:01 |
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| polesitive | Anyone south uk? | 11:43 |
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| katomo | #startmeeting OpenStack I18n Meeting | 13:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 21 13:00:29 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is katomo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: OpenStack I18n Meeting)" | 13:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_i18n_meeting' | 13:00 |
| katomo | any one here for the meeting? | 13:00 |
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| katomo | hm, no one here. | 13:06 |
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| katomo | we have 3 candides for I18n mascot. I will submit them as candides. | 13:08 |
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| katomo | #info Liberty translation has been closed. We keep them at Zanata for collecting translation stats. | 13:09 |
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| katomo | #endmeeting | 13:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 13:10 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jul 21 13:10:18 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:10 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2016/openstack_i18n_meeting.2016-07-21-13.00.html | 13:10 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2016/openstack_i18n_meeting.2016-07-21-13.00.txt | 13:10 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2016/openstack_i18n_meeting.2016-07-21-13.00.log.html | 13:10 |
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| fifieldt | anyone here for the ops tags team meeting? | 13:57 |
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| fifieldt | ok, I think this is the right channel :) | 13:59 |
| fifieldt | #startmeeting ops tags | 13:59 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 21 13:59:40 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is fifieldt. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:59 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ops tags)" | 13:59 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ops_tags' | 13:59 |
| fifieldt | Anyone here for the ops tags team meeting? | 13:59 |
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| shamail | hi! | 14:01 |
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| fifieldt | hi shamail :) | 14:02 |
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| fifieldt | I kicked off the meetbot stuff already, so we're being logged :) | 14:02 |
| shamail | I hope you’ve been well fifieldt | 14:02 |
| fifieldt | for the most part :) | 14:02 |
| fifieldt | ask sparkycollier about the ailments :) | 14:02 |
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| shamail | will do ! | 14:03 |
| fifieldt | and yourself? | 14:03 |
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| shamail | Pretty good, been extremely busy but going away tomorrow for a week | 14:03 |
| shamail | looking forward to it | 14:03 |
| fifieldt | saw that, congratulations! | 14:03 |
| shamail | thanks | 14:03 |
| fifieldt | shall we smash through this meeting so you're ever closer to your holiday? | 14:04 |
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| shamail | That would be great | 14:04 |
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| shamail | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-operators/2016-July/011070.html | 14:04 |
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| fifieldt | #topic Review Open Changes | 14:04 |
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| fifieldt | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/ops-tags-team,n,z | 14:04 |
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| fifieldt | so, we have 3 open changes | 14:04 |
| shamail | aye | 14:05 |
| fifieldt | for the install guide, a new tag for HA and a new tag for containerizable | 14:05 |
| fifieldt | the latter two haven't made progress for a couple of months | 14:05 |
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| fifieldt | the install guide is a nice improvement to allow recognition of more ways that install guides can be provided | 14:05 |
| shamail | I do have a question on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/200128/ | 14:05 |
| fifieldt | ya | 14:05 |
| shamail | but we can come back to it since install guide is the most important | 14:06 |
| fifieldt | at your option, sir | 14:06 |
| shamail | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/341933/ | 14:06 |
| shamail | so I did see your latest comment on this one | 14:06 |
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| shamail | I was hesitant for similar reasons originally but you described it so much better | 14:07 |
| fifieldt | ok | 14:07 |
| fifieldt | to paraphrase briefly what I think the intent behind this change is: | 14:07 |
| shamail | I was worried about the fact that there are other docs available (from distros) and we wouldn’t necessarily want to lose that information | 14:07 |
| fifieldt | If a project goes to the effort to make an install guide, the tag should recognise it | 14:07 |
| shamail | +1 | 14:08 |
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| fifieldt | the tag as currently written does not allow a project which has made a guide using source, rather than packages, to attain the tag | 14:08 |
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| fifieldt | That's a problem for new projects and creates a catch-22 situation | 14:08 |
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| fifieldt | since distros are only likely to package more 'mature'/'adopted' projects | 14:09 |
| shamail | Did the solution we discussed in Austin (but haven’t implemented) help solve for this? | 14:09 |
| fifieldt | and users might only adopt a project if there's an install guide | 14:09 |
| shamail | We had discussed creating a way to link the various guides | 14:09 |
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| fifieldt | For new projects, if they do go to the nontrivial effort of making a decent install guide | 14:09 |
| fifieldt | we're standing in their way of getting a tick :) | 14:10 |
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| shamail | Agreed | 14:10 |
| fifieldt | So I think this proposal at its heart is a good one | 14:10 |
| fifieldt | However the current implementation needs some tweaks | 14:10 |
| fifieldt | hence that comment | 14:10 |
| fifieldt | anyway | 14:10 |
| fifieldt | what _did_ we say in Austin? :D | 14:10 |
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| fifieldt | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/AUS-ops-Ops-tags | 14:10 |
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| shamail | lines 12-14 | 14:11 |
| fifieldt | so we want to provide links to the guides from the tag | 14:11 |
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| shamail | Yeah, this would allow us to list an install guide as “available” and then link to source even | 14:11 |
| fifieldt | yup | 14:11 |
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| fifieldt | our syntax there is actually broad enough that it isn't locked to specific distros which is good, I guess | 14:12 |
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| shamail | Yeah, the reason for going this route was due to keeping the parsing rather simple for navigator | 14:12 |
| fifieldt | Indeed | 14:12 |
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| fifieldt | It was a request from the designers of the Project Navigator that we did have install guide links | 14:12 |
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| fifieldt | but as you note, syntax needs to be simple | 14:13 |
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| fifieldt | and I think we concluded in Austin that "link" attributes could either be a string or a list | 14:13 |
| fifieldt | and that would mean we could generalise the syntax | 14:13 |
| shamail | Yep! | 14:13 |
| fifieldt | phew, I feel caught up now | 14:13 |
| shamail | We were supposed to research whether using the same key multiple times is valid JSON | 14:13 |
| fifieldt | ah, yes | 14:13 |
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| fifieldt | OK | 14:14 |
| fifieldt | so, but does that linking have bearing on this current patch we've got open? | 14:14 |
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| fifieldt | I suppose in the way that if the patch as currently proposed went in, it would prevent that from happening? | 14:14 |
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| shamail | The combination of the two changes (your comment in the review) along with adding links (to any source) is probably an ideal solution since it allows docs-team to focus on supported projects but allows new teams to create guides and users will still find them | 14:15 |
| shamail | I think so | 14:15 |
| fifieldt | ok | 14:15 |
| shamail | due to the definition being limited to “Guide exists, for all doc-team supported releases,” | 14:15 |
| fifieldt | so, just thinking about how not to confuse the lovely people who are working on the current patch (yay contributors!) | 14:15 |
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| fifieldt | do you think waiting for a reply to my latest comment is the best course for now, and if that is accepted and we go on to merge ... then we can start workiong on the link stuff? | 14:16 |
| shamail | +1 | 14:16 |
| shamail | I think we should ask the team on this patch to let us be broader in what defines “available” | 14:16 |
| fifieldt | right, because there has to be some level of quality | 14:17 |
| shamail | then we (ops tags) will do the work on the actual tag for Mitaka+ to change its format and add the source links | 14:17 |
| fifieldt | making a blank document entitled "Install Guide" could be seen as being "available" if not :P | 14:17 |
| fifieldt | right | 14:17 |
| shamail | lol true | 14:17 |
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| fifieldt | ok, so this one seems wrapped up? | 14:18 |
| shamail | +1 | 14:18 |
| fifieldt | you mentioned the HA tag just now? | 14:18 |
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| shamail | Yes so for the HA tag, I had updated the tag description before the summit and I think most people agreed with it. The -1 currently there is for the tag as defined for Kilo. | 14:19 |
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| shamail | I wanted to ask whether it makes sense to change this patch to include the tag description and build a new tag for Mitaka (with notmyname’s feedback included as well) | 14:19 |
| fifieldt | re-reading the tag description now | 14:20 |
| fifieldt | so, again we rely on our friends in the doc team | 14:20 |
| fifieldt | it's either HA guide, no docs, or not HA | 14:20 |
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| fifieldt | I think that works | 14:20 |
| fifieldt | The tag application process bit might be able to do with some boilerplate copypasta from more recent stuff | 14:21 |
| fifieldt | but generally, I think it works? | 14:21 |
| fifieldt | the caveats listed in the kilo file are good | 14:21 |
| shamail | Essentially the tag relates HA Guide and general advertised capabilities by the project itself | 14:21 |
| fifieldt | and look maintainable | 14:21 |
| fifieldt | right | 14:21 |
| shamail | Yep | 14:22 |
| fifieldt | cool | 14:22 |
| fifieldt | Think maishsk is interested in updating? | 14:22 |
| shamail | When we update, I will add the cross project liaisons as reviewers so they can re-affirm the caveats | 14:22 |
| fifieldt | yay | 14:22 |
| shamail | or challenge them if things have changed | 14:22 |
| fifieldt | feedback is excellent | 14:23 |
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| fifieldt | ok, so ... next? | 14:23 |
| shamail | I can ask him when I speak with him, I had done the last update since it was last touched in 7/2015 | 14:23 |
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| fifieldt | righto | 14:23 |
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| shamail | one topic left: revisit tags discussed in Austin and build an action plan | 14:23 |
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| fifieldt | #topic Revisit tags discussed in Austin and build an action plan | 14:23 |
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| fifieldt | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/AUS-ops-Ops-tags | 14:24 |
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| shamail | or at least determine which ones are still interesting now | 14:24 |
| fifieldt | the distro status one was a good one | 14:24 |
| shamail | So we had discussed a SDK tag, production-use, and distro status | 14:24 |
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| shamail | fifieldt: +1, we spent a good amount of time on it and had a good working plan | 14:24 |
| fifieldt | I suspect if we got the structure up for distro status, our distro friends would provide the data | 14:24 |
| shamail | Totally agree | 14:24 |
| shamail | I can bring it up at the product WG meeting with the product managers from the distros | 14:25 |
| fifieldt | yeah, sucking in some resources would be nice | 14:25 |
| fifieldt | needs a bit of education though :) | 14:25 |
| fifieldt | up for that? :P | 14:25 |
| shamail | Yep, this tag will be really useful once it gets in | 14:25 |
| fifieldt | sweet | 14:26 |
| fifieldt | was the SDK tag a new tag, or just asking for something we can automate? | 14:26 |
| shamail | SDK tag is already there | 14:26 |
| fifieldt | ya | 14:26 |
| shamail | but there were a couple of things: | 14:26 |
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| shamail | 1) Could we update it to include source links for SDK documentation (if it exists) similar to what we are considering for install guide | 14:27 |
| maishsk | Did I hear my name? | 14:27 |
| fifieldt | we miss you maishsk :) | 14:27 |
| shamail | 2) The other thing we had discussed was trying to get the data source for SDKs in a public space so we can automate the tag creation in the future (right now, projects have to tell us or we have to use a google doc) | 14:28 |
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| shamail | Hi maishsk! | 14:28 |
| fifieldt | for #1 it's a bit of a challenge. Take a look at the links at http://developer.openstack.org/ :) | 14:28 |
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| fifieldt | #2 yes, the AppEcoWG should totally do this for us :) | 14:28 |
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| shamail | Agreed on #2! | 14:29 |
| shamail | I see what you mean with the links… | 14:29 |
| raghu_ | hi | 14:29 |
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| shamail | there is no common documentation type (e.g. getting started, API doc, etc.) | 14:29 |
| shamail | hi raghu_ | 14:29 |
| fifieldt | yeah | 14:29 |
| shamail | We can skip this idea for now | 14:30 |
| fifieldt | ok | 14:30 |
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| shamail | maybe revisit after we get help on #2 :) | 14:30 |
| fifieldt | +1 | 14:30 |
| raghu_ | are any one having knowledge on heat template launching | 14:31 |
| shamail | That’s pretty much all I had. | 14:31 |
| fifieldt | and me too | 14:31 |
| fifieldt | since it's just us, perhaps we can close early :) | 14:31 |
| shamail | raghu_: Do you have a general question about using heat? I would recommend the #openstack channel | 14:31 |
| shamail | Sounds good fifieldt | 14:31 |
| fifieldt | alrighty then | 14:32 |
| shamail | I did want to comment on the AUC stuff before you leave | 14:32 |
| fifieldt | #endmeeting | 14:32 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jul 21 14:32:06 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:32 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_tags/2016/ops_tags.2016-07-21-13.59.html | 14:32 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_tags/2016/ops_tags.2016-07-21-13.59.txt | 14:32 |
| shamail | messaging you | 14:32 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_tags/2016/ops_tags.2016-07-21-13.59.log.html | 14:32 |
| fifieldt | move that to PM, shamail ? | 14:32 |
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| fifieldt | cool | 14:32 |
| raghu_ | while launching heat stack, am facing issue httplib error as badstatusline('') | 14:32 |
| fifieldt | raghu_, join #openstack | 14:32 |
| fifieldt | this is a meeting channel :) | 14:32 |
| raghu_ | ok sorry | 14:33 |
| fifieldt | not a problem :) | 14:33 |
| fifieldt | good luck! | 14:33 |
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| raghu_ | thanks | 14:33 |
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| oomichi_ | #startmeeting qa | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 21 17:00:23 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is oomichi_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: qa)" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'qa' | 17:00 |
| oomichi_ | hi, - who's here today? | 17:00 |
| jlwhite | Hi I'm here | 17:01 |
| oomichi_ | jlwhite: hi | 17:01 |
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| jlwhite | I don't want to go out of order | 17:01 |
| jlwhite | but I wanted to get eyes on my change https://review.openstack.org/#/c/341083/, thanks for checking it out | 17:02 |
| jlwhite | oomichi_ | 17:02 |
| oomichi_ | jlwhite: I reviewed it 5 mins before :) | 17:02 |
| oomichi_ | jlwhite: that seems good direction for me | 17:02 |
| jlwhite | :) yep I saw! | 17:03 |
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| jlwhite | I will respond on there | 17:03 |
| oomichi_ | jlwhite: thanks | 17:03 |
| hogepodge | o/ | 17:03 |
| jlwhite | There are more working items it effects about 12 test | 17:03 |
| oomichi_ | ok, let's start te meeting | 17:03 |
| jlwhite | cool | 17:04 |
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| oomichi_ | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/w/index.php?title=Meetings/QATeamMeeting#Agenda_for_July_21th_2016_.281700_UTC.29 | 17:04 |
| oomichi_ | ^^^ is today agenda | 17:04 |
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| oomichi_ | #topic Newton priorities | 17:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Newton priorities (Meeting topic: qa)" | 17:05 | |
| oomichi_ | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-qa-newton-priorities | 17:05 |
| oomichi_ | We are working based on this priorities and that seems good progress | 17:06 |
| jlwhite | yes, luzc and I have started on the one for validation resources as mentioned above | 17:06 |
| oomichi_ | jlwhite: yeah, that is important one | 17:07 |
| oomichi_ | it would make debug easy more | 17:07 |
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| jlwhite | oomichi_ I agree, I wanted to make everything explicit | 17:07 |
| jlwhite | In the test module | 17:07 |
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| oomichi_ | jlwhite: how many patches we need for that ? | 17:07 |
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| oomichi_ | jlwhite: I guess we need many patches for finishing that | 17:08 |
| jlwhite | oomichi_ it affects about 12 test | 17:08 |
| jlwhite | oomichi_ yep | 17:08 |
| oomichi_ | jlwhite: umm, ok. I'd like to keep my eyes on that | 17:08 |
| jlwhite | oomichi_ so I think I will have to submit the all in one over many adjustments | 17:09 |
| jlwhite | oomichi_ if I make the change all the test that rely on resource validation will faile | 17:09 |
| jlwhite | *fail | 17:09 |
| jlwhite | oomichi_ or is there another way? | 17:09 |
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| oomichi_ | jlwhite: now we don't have branch topic for this work, and it is a little hard to find patches on gerrit | 17:09 |
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| jlwhite | oomichi_ should I make an adjustment to the Topic? | 17:10 |
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| oomichi_ | jlwhite: it would be nice to do that | 17:11 |
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| jlwhite | oomichi_ on it :), "Validation Resources'? | 17:11 |
| oomichi_ | jlwhite: it is nice to add more patches on https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:valResources | 17:11 |
| oomichi_ | jlwhite: as the same topic later | 17:12 |
| oomichi_ | jlwhite: one single huge patch is hard to be reviewed ;) | 17:12 |
| jlwhite | oomichi_ got it :) true because then it would be tough for people | 17:12 |
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| jlwhite | oomichi_ I will keep the topic and make multiple patches as suggested | 17:13 |
| oomichi_ | jlwhite: yeah, thanks in advance | 17:13 |
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| luzC | @oomichi_ right now there is only one patch to review the flow/ and the refactor (for test class, base classes and the other test modules | 17:13 |
| jlwhite | oomichi_ thanks! no problem at all | 17:13 |
| oomichi_ | luzC: ok, thanks for the info. I am looking forward to seeing more | 17:14 |
| luzC | cool | 17:14 |
| luzC | :) | 17:14 |
| oomichi_ | do we have more topic about newton priorities? | 17:14 |
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| oomichi_ | ok, next topic | 17:14 |
| oomichi_ | #topic Specs Reviews | 17:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Specs Reviews (Meeting topic: qa)" | 17:15 | |
| oomichi_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/qa-specs,n,z | 17:15 |
| oomichi_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/qa-specs+status:open | 17:15 |
| oomichi_ | we have 4 specs now | 17:15 |
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| oomichi_ | all patches are red now | 17:16 |
| oomichi_ | I need to update the first one related to resource | 17:16 |
| oomichi_ | I forgot to do that because of different owner, sorry | 17:17 |
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| oomichi_ | I guess we don't have enough topic about this now | 17:17 |
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| oomichi_ | or do we have? | 17:17 |
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| oomichi_ | ok, let's move on | 17:18 |
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| oomichi_ | #topic Tempest | 17:18 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Tempest (Meeting topic: qa)" | 17:18 | |
| oomichi_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/tempest+status:open | 17:18 |
| oomichi_ | ^^^ now we still have many patches for tempest | 17:18 |
| oomichi_ | and I will review them after the meeting | 17:19 |
| oomichi_ | do we have any patches we need to discuss here? | 17:19 |
| luzC | I don't think so, I'll review some of them too | 17:20 |
| jlwhite | yes, me as well | 17:20 |
| oomichi_ | luzC: cool, thanks | 17:20 |
| oomichi_ | jlwhite: thank you too :) | 17:21 |
| oomichi_ | ok, let's move on | 17:21 |
| oomichi_ | #topic devstack + grenade | 17:21 |
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| oomichi_ | I don't have enough topic about these also this week | 17:22 |
| oomichi_ | anyone have about them? | 17:22 |
| jlwhite | none on my end | 17:22 |
| oomichi_ | ok, next topic | 17:23 |
| oomichi_ | #topic openstack-health | 17:23 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "openstack-health (Meeting topic: qa)" | 17:23 | |
| oomichi_ | active developers are off on this meeting | 17:24 |
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| oomichi_ | and this also I don't have enough items :-( | 17:24 |
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| oomichi_ | let's more on | 17:25 |
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| oomichi_ | #topic Critical Reviews | 17:25 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Critical Reviews (Meeting topic: qa)" | 17:25 | |
| oomichi_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/341083/ | 17:25 |
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| oomichi_ | jlwhite: we had converstation already in this meeting :) | 17:26 |
| jlwhite | oomichi_ yep :) | 17:26 |
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| oomichi_ | jlwhite: we need to do more? | 17:26 |
| jlwhite | oomichi_ as long as the flow is on the right path I am good to move forward | 17:26 |
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| jlwhite | oomichi_ so I will monitor gerrit for reviews and make adjustements | 17:27 |
| oomichi_ | jlwhite: cool, I will check patches in the future after posting | 17:27 |
| oomichi_ | jlwhite: that would be great to help us | 17:27 |
| jlwhite | oomichi_ thanks! | 17:27 |
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| oomichi_ | I have one patch I want to pick up: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/344827/ | 17:28 |
| oomichi_ | that is good to test a new microversion of nova | 17:28 |
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| oomichi_ | more reviews are nice to move forward | 17:29 |
| jlwhite | cool, will put eyes on it | 17:29 |
| jlwhite | oomichi_ | 17:29 |
| oomichi_ | are there more patches to be need to review soon? | 17:29 |
| oomichi_ | jlwhite: thanks again | 17:29 |
| oomichi_ | ok, the final topic | 17:30 |
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| oomichi_ | #topic Open Discussion | 17:30 |
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| oomichi_ | are there open topic here? | 17:31 |
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| oomichi_ | oh, I have one | 17:32 |
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| oomichi_ | just reminder: we have the code sprint in this development cycle in Germany | 17:32 |
| oomichi_ | Please register on https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Sprints/QAInfraNewtonSprint if interested in joining :) | 17:33 |
| jlwhite | When is it again oomichi_? | 17:33 |
| jlwhite | oh thanks | 17:33 |
| oomichi_ | most people love to go to Germany based on the experience of the first QA/Infra meetup | 17:34 |
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| oomichi_ | do we have more items here? | 17:35 |
| oomichi_ | or nice to review patches :) | 17:35 |
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| oomichi_ | by finishing the meeting earlier | 17:35 |
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| oomichi_ | ok, let's finish the meeting | 17:36 |
| oomichi_ | #endmeeting | 17:36 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 17:36 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jul 21 17:36:16 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:36 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2016/qa.2016-07-21-17.00.html | 17:36 |
| oomichi_ | thanks all | 17:36 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2016/qa.2016-07-21-17.00.txt | 17:36 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2016/qa.2016-07-21-17.00.log.html | 17:36 |
| jlwhite | Thanks! oomichi_ | 17:36 |
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| dtroyer | OSC Meeting? | 19:02 |
| dtroyer | courtesy ping: dhellmann, rthies, stevemar, terrylhowe, dstanek, MeganR, rtheis, DuncanT, sheel, jgregor, baumann | 19:03 |
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| rtheis | dtroyer: I'm here but distracted by some other work | 19:04 |
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| dtroyer | rtheis: welcome back, hope you had a good vacation | 19:05 |
| rtheis | dtroyer: I did. Thank you. | 19:05 |
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| dtroyer | with Keystone midcycle going it might be light here… a few more minutes then we'll call it if nobody else shows | 19:07 |
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| rtheis | ok | 19:07 |
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| dtroyer | ok, no meeting today… see y'all next wee at the early time, or in -sdks | 19:10 |
| dtroyer | thanks | 19:11 |
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| rtheis | sounds good | 19:11 |
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| stevemar | dtroyer: yep | 20:01 |
| greghaynes | cinerama: ianw Lets see how many of us are here, I don't think theres harm in a quick meet if folks are around | 20:01 |
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| ianw | #startmeeting diskimage-builder | 20:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 21 20:03:19 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ianw. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:03 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:03 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'diskimage_builder' | 20:03 |
| greghaynes | Maybe a good first agenda item is - what would we like to see in our agendas? :) | 20:03 |
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| anteaya | ianw: you can add the meeting chairs with #chair greghaynes cinerama | 20:04 |
| ianw | #chair greghaynes cinerama | 20:04 |
| openstack | Current chairs: cinerama greghaynes ianw | 20:04 |
| ianw | so i guess word isn't quite out about the meeting yet, that's fine | 20:05 |
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| ianw | there was some confusion if it was weekly or bi-weekly, personally i think probably bi-weekly is fine | 20:05 |
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| greghaynes | bi-weekly works for me | 20:05 |
| ianw | not sure we have *that* much to talk about :) | 20:05 |
| greghaynes | although lets shoot for one next week | 20:05 |
| ianw | sure | 20:06 |
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| ianw | #agreed do this for real next week | 20:06 |
| greghaynes | #agreed meetings are bi-weekly | 20:06 |
| greghaynes | wow voting is efficient with two people | 20:06 |
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| greghaynes | It looks like the meeting wiki page isn't created yet | 20:07 |
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| ianw | i guess the agenda is mostly just pushing on those reviews that are hard to merge | 20:07 |
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| greghaynes | Yea, I'd like to have some time for folks to call out things that may need attention in reviews - whether it is 'please let me move forward on this patch', or theres some disagreement we need some talk about | 20:08 |
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| greghaynes | because ive seen a few sides of it - proposers feeling like they cant get any traction and us going back and forward on what we think about a design | 20:09 |
| ianw | i was wondering if maybe we should cut a 2.0 branch for a few things out there that are big changes | 20:09 |
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| ianw | but, in a way, that feels a bit like admitting defeat that we can't merge stuff | 20:10 |
| greghaynes | #agreed one agenda item should allow us to talk about things that may be currently going on in our review queue | 20:10 |
| ianw | we merge with less care into the branch probably, but it just comes back to bite you later | 20:10 |
| greghaynes | I kind of want us to tag a handful of things we want out of a 2.0 | 20:10 |
| greghaynes | and then knock it out at once | 20:11 |
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| greghaynes | which I think is what youre proposing | 20:11 |
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| greghaynes | branching now seems a bit scary though - I think we really want to minimize the time where you can have the two sets of code drift | 20:11 |
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| ianw | for mine that list would be: | 20:12 |
| ianw | - | 20:12 |
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| ianw | ... umm, hang on, getting reviews :) | 20:12 |
| greghaynes | So, the biggest thing I want to avoid with a 2.0 is cutting it and then very quickly afterwards wanting to do a 3.0 | 20:13 |
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| greghaynes | so I think its worth taking a bit of time upfront to get some confidence in the exact featureset we want our of a 2.0, then trying to stick with it | 20:13 |
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| greghaynes | and yea, just getting a list of features is the thing to do | 20:14 |
| ianw | - https://review.openstack.org/319591 - local loop image build rewrite by andreas. i feel like that's probably ready to go, i think we can interate on that | 20:14 |
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| greghaynes | I'd need a bit to remember what all I want | 20:14 |
| greghaynes | hrm, is that going to break backwards compat? | 20:14 |
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| greghaynes | I thought it didnt need to | 20:14 |
| ianw | - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/335308/ - my stack below this that clears up what happens with duplicate images | 20:15 |
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| ianw | - the specs dir stuff | 20:16 |
| ianw | (can probably just do that now) | 20:16 |
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| greghaynes | Maybe the thing to do here is to make a spec or some kind of document outlining what all reviews / backwards compat changes were hoping to have happen in a 2.0? | 20:16 |
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| greghaynes | I have a really hard time remembering all of these... | 20:17 |
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| ianw | what was the compat issue with 319591 ? | 20:17 |
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| greghaynes | its pretty exclusive to our current user-pluggable block-device.d phase AIUI | 20:19 |
| ianw | - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/344532/ - my latest stack about moving disk-image-builder into an entry point, which is really about making dib a "real" (or realer) python package | 20:19 |
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| greghaynes | I don't think that had any compat issues? | 20:20 |
| greghaynes | there was the minor rename deal but I thought you fixed it | 20:20 |
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| greghaynes | Yea, so I definitely need some time to re-read a bunch of these reviews with a 2.0 in mind | 20:21 |
| ianw | there is a big rename in 344017 moving top-level elements to diskimage_builder/elements , i feel like it's motivated pretty well in the change description | 20:21 |
| greghaynes | are you up for doing a spec that just lists them off then we have a place to comment? | 20:21 |
| greghaynes | and potentially add other features and whatnot | 20:21 |
| ianw | sure, how about an etherpad and we can just sync on that | 20:21 |
| greghaynes | that works | 20:22 |
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| ianw | #action ianw to do 2.0 etherpad page | 20:22 |
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| ianw | i've been meaning to catch lifeless and double check about data_files and their behaviour under "pip -e" | 20:23 |
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| greghaynes | I think it just symlinks? | 20:23 |
| greghaynes | or something like that | 20:23 |
| greghaynes | One other meeting question I have is how to do the whole 'office hours' thing | 20:24 |
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| greghaynes | itd be nice to ask folks to add an item to the agenda, but theres a sort of chicken and the egg where that probably wouldnt happen without being explicitly asked to at a meeting | 20:25 |
| ianw | re: data_files ... it doesn't symlink. so basically you don't know where data_files is. whereas you *do* know where diskimage_builder/* is (i.e. __file__ , but there's a pkg_resources interface too) | 20:25 |
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| ianw | as in when people are awake? | 20:25 |
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| greghaynes | Im thinking that as a dib user how would you know that we'd like you do add an agenda item about a potential issue | 20:26 |
| greghaynes | so I kind of think just having a weekly open discussion at the end of our meeting would be good and say that is a good time for users to show up and get help / some info | 20:26 |
| greghaynes | re: data_files - sounds like you might just need to do the trick where you have an entrypoint that prints out __file__ or somesuch | 20:27 |
| ianw | oh ... right, yeah that's fine. | 20:27 |
| greghaynes | #agreed lets have an open discussion at meeting end which is also for users to get info / help | 20:27 |
| greghaynes | to totally change topic - I have a pretty odd idea I've been playing around with and i'm not sure if it should live in dib | 20:29 |
| ianw | yeah, that's the idea of 344017. move the elements to diskimage_builder/elements , and then the elements are always relative to __file__. i've added diskimage_builder.paths with a little helper to do what you say -- print out the element path for disk-image-create to use | 20:29 |
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| greghaynes | one issue a lot of projects have is theres not a good way to add 'dib entrypoints'. So say I am octavia, I have a set of elements and potentially more than one kind of image you can build. as a user I dont want to have to know I need to run CONFIG=foo disk-image-create <repo>/element1 <repo>/element2 ... | 20:30 |
| greghaynes | I really want to run disk-image-create octavia-repo some_image_name and let octavia supply some sane defaults | 20:30 |
| greghaynes | and same for other projects | 20:30 |
| greghaynes | so ive been playing with making a diskimages.yaml file that dib can read and can live in these repos and point to relative element paths | 20:31 |
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| greghaynes | kind of trying to figure out if thats a thing dib should do or whether that should be a dib runner | 20:32 |
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| greghaynes | since the config is basically nodepool's diskimages: section | 20:32 |
| ianw | i think that probably sounds ok, basically a config file rather than command line args | 20:32 |
| greghaynes | yea | 20:32 |
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| ianw | this is really what i think 344532 is good for | 20:33 |
| ianw | by making disk-image-create be a python function that calls the shell script in the background, you could do that runner idea right there | 20:33 |
| greghaynes | yep. So when playing with this I have a thing that builds images and tracks them asynchronously | 20:34 |
| greghaynes | in a simlar fashion | 20:34 |
| * cinerama is here | 20:34 | |
| greghaynes | so yea, maybe ill copy some of that code in to a dib review | 20:34 |
| greghaynes | cinerama: ohai | 20:35 |
| ianw | o/ | 20:35 |
| cinerama | ianw: is this time at least sort-of tolerable? | 20:35 |
| ianw | what do you mean tracks them asynchronously? | 20:35 |
| greghaynes | ianw: basically it lets you run an image build then returns, and lets you ask for status on currently running builds | 20:35 |
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| ianw | cinerama: yeah, it's 6am in sydney, which is fine | 20:35 |
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| greghaynes | it was just me messing around mostly | 20:35 |
| greghaynes | but it ends up being nice for a 'what images do I have, what are their statuses' | 20:36 |
| ianw | ahh. yeah i guess that sounds like nodepool-builder :) | 20:36 |
| greghaynes | yep | 20:36 |
| cinerama | (backscrolling) i want to get block device patch series + the svc-map stuff in for a new major release | 20:36 |
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| greghaynes | seems like a lot of projects have a use case for something very similar - a lot of folks need to make some images in CI / during deploy then upload them to a cloud. Doing that by having a long shell command is not as nice as having a config file supplied by the project where you just override some defaults | 20:37 |
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| ianw | cinerama: ok, today i'll create an etherpad and we can group specific reviews to focus on | 20:38 |
| greghaynes | cinerama: Ya, It seems like were about due for a major release | 20:38 |
| greghaynes | oh, I remember now, I want to change root.d semantics | 20:39 |
| greghaynes | as part of a major bump | 20:39 |
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| greghaynes | I can write up in more detail, but basically I was playing with making image builds cache better and the sane thing IMO is to make it so root.d can be cached as a whole | 20:39 |
| greghaynes | but thats sort of a big interface change so itd need a major bump | 20:40 |
| greghaynes | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/339730/3 shows why, basically | 20:41 |
| greghaynes | theres no sane way to add extra stuff in to the root.d cache other than to cram all sorts of logic in to the single script that untar's the rootfs unless dib gets smarts about caching the whole phase | 20:41 |
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| ianw | hmm, fair enough. the yum-minimal root.d caching is pretty bad too | 20:42 |
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| ianw | another thing on my list to look at | 20:42 |
| greghaynes | Yea, I have some thoughts on how we can actually be pretty smart about caching if we do this - it should work across elements and all | 20:43 |
| * greghaynes will await etherpad | 20:43 | |
| ianw | so if you can cover both, and i can get rid of the tar create stuff in there, all the better | 20:43 |
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| ianw | the other thing i'd like to do is get the nodepool-dsvm test running. it doesn't build much but it will give us some confidence that we won't have too many issues there | 20:44 |
| greghaynes | to get a boot test? | 20:44 |
| ianw | yep | 20:44 |
| greghaynes | so, I have https://review.openstack.org/#/c/204639/ I need to revive | 20:45 |
| greghaynes | but first I wanted to get https://review.openstack.org/#/c/181162/ in | 20:45 |
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| ianw | ok, the minimal test should be cool, will review | 20:46 |
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| greghaynes | :) | 20:46 |
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| greghaynes | ok, I don't really have anything else to mention, we should try and work up an agenda for next week though based on notes + other chat | 20:47 |
| cinerama | i had one other thing | 20:47 |
| * greghaynes awaits | 20:47 | |
| cinerama | wrt communication - should we standardize on (say) hanging out in #tripleo for questions, user comments, etc? | 20:47 |
| cinerama | i feel like people would like to be able to find us | 20:48 |
| greghaynes | we should standardize on somewhere... | 20:48 |
| greghaynes | so I guess I could mention this | 20:48 |
| cinerama | we could make our own but tbh it might be dead a lot of the time | 20:48 |
| greghaynes | I was planning to send an email today or tomorrow about proposing us moving out of tripleo | 20:48 |
| ianw | i am in #tripleo, but i'm more closely watching #openstack-infra | 20:48 |
| cinerama | in which case, having our own makes more sense | 20:48 |
| cinerama | i watch infra & tripleo but mostly by highlighting | 20:49 |
| greghaynes | but I think that discussion will have some effect on where we hang out | 20:49 |
| greghaynes | It is really not great that we dont have a clear channel we live in though | 20:49 |
| greghaynes | I'd be fine making our own channel... | 20:50 |
| greghaynes | ianw: you fine with another channel? | 20:50 |
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| ianw | i guess so, do we think #openstack-infra is too busy? | 20:51 |
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| cinerama | it's not terrible but it's also not super obvious to someone whose main point of context is just using dib | 20:51 |
| greghaynes | Agreed, I think it'd work but its probably more beneficial to have something we can try and make painfully obvious to random users where we live | 20:52 |
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| cinerama | yep we can add that to our homepage, readme, etc | 20:53 |
| ianw | ok, np | 20:53 |
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| greghaynes | #openstack-dib? | 20:53 |
| cinerama | ++ | 20:53 |
| ianw | +1 | 20:53 |
| greghaynes | #agreed We will make #opensack-dib our official channel | 20:54 |
| greghaynes | ok, lots of decisions for a meeting | 20:54 |
| greghaynes | we have about 5mins... | 20:54 |
| greghaynes | anything else or we all get 5mins back? | 20:55 |
| cinerama | greghaynes, who's going to take the setup for the new channel? | 20:55 |
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| cinerama | i can do it but i have ironical things to do this week so i might need to be poked | 20:56 |
| greghaynes | I think its fine if we wait a bit, I'd kind of like to send the tripleo email first since I think part of the setup relates to what program the project is under | 20:56 |
| ianw | i vote cinerama :) no rush | 20:56 |
| cinerama | sounds good | 20:56 |
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| greghaynes | awesome | 20:57 |
| greghaynes | cinerama: TY for getting us set up with a meeting! | 20:57 |
| greghaynes | #endmeeting | 20:57 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jul 21 20:57:37 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:57 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/diskimage_builder/2016/diskimage_builder.2016-07-21-20.03.html | 20:57 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/diskimage_builder/2016/diskimage_builder.2016-07-21-20.03.txt | 20:57 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/diskimage_builder/2016/diskimage_builder.2016-07-21-20.03.log.html | 20:57 |
| ianw | yeah, good suggestion! | 20:57 |
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| dougwig | o/ | 21:59 |
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| amotoki | hi | 22:00 |
| HenryG | o/ | 22:00 |
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| armax | anyone else joining the party? | 22:00 |
| ajo | o/ hallo | 22:00 |
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| armax | #startmeeting neutron_drivers | 22:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 21 22:00:21 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is armax. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 22:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 22:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_drivers' | 22:00 |
| kevinbenton | hi | 22:00 |
| ihrachys | o/ | 22:00 |
| armax | hello everyone, thanks for joining | 22:00 |
| ajo | :) | 22:01 |
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| armax | I don’t have a special reminder for drivers folks so let’s dive in | 22:01 |
| johnsom | o/ | 22:01 |
| armax | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bugs?field.status%3Alist=Triaged&field.tag=rfe&orderby=datecreated&start=0 | 22:01 |
| armax | bug #1575146 | 22:01 |
| openstack | bug 1575146 in neutron "[RFE] ovs port status should the same as physnet." [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1575146 | 22:01 |
| armax | anyone had a chance to navigate it? | 22:02 |
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| njohnston | o/ | 22:02 |
| dougwig | is this going to affect the scalability of the agents? | 22:02 |
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| kevinbenton | i don't think scalability should be a big issue | 22:03 |
| kevinbenton | since it's local to agents | 22:03 |
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| kevinbenton | and it's just watching the status of one interface | 22:03 |
| armax | it depends how it’s implemented :) | 22:03 |
| ajo | is it talking about setting port's as down when a network is configured as down by admin? | 22:03 |
| ajo | or about monitoring the network? | 22:03 |
| dougwig | because we're just scanning physicals? hmm. i'd hate to make a claim that vxlan was UP, when it has way more moving parts. | 22:03 |
| kevinbenton | monitoring status of physicals | 22:03 |
| kevinbenton | ajo: not logical model update from what i can see | 22:03 |
| armax | this is about monitoring link status on the host | 22:04 |
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| dougwig | but better than the random DOWN nonsense we have today | 22:04 |
| kevinbenton | dougwig: well that field is about what is wired | 22:04 |
| ajo | I guess it's doable, tunnel networks being the complicated part | 22:04 |
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| armax | and if the interface affected ends up being used by the agent reflect the state on the affected logical ports | 22:04 |
| kevinbenton | dougwig: config state vs dataplane | 22:04 |
| kevinbenton | armax: well i don't think this is even updating the logical port on the server | 22:05 |
| ihrachys | is current neutron api enough to build a monitoring tool? we expose phys net relationship per network, so that should be enough for an external tool to indicate which ports are affected by a failure on infra. | 22:05 |
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| kevinbenton | armax: its just setting the tap device to down | 22:05 |
| kevinbenton | isn't it? | 22:05 |
| kevinbenton | ip link set tap238947ac down | 22:05 |
| kevinbenton | no interaction with neutron server from what i can tell | 22:05 |
| armax | kevinbenton: and what then? | 22:06 |
| ihrachys | kevinbenton: when you do it from hypervisor, how does it affect guest? | 22:06 |
| kevinbenton | armax: the VM sees its interface state change | 22:06 |
| ajo | hm, that'd be nice, | 22:06 |
| kevinbenton | armax: so the VM can have a failover internally to another interface | 22:06 |
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| kevinbenton | I haven't tested this, but it's what I understand the request is for | 22:06 |
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| armax | kevinbenton: right, but wouldn’t we want to reflect that all the way to the neutron logical port? | 22:07 |
| ajo | but shouldn't we, in that case, report back to neutron-server to set the ports as down ? | 22:07 |
| ajo | exactly what armax said :P | 22:07 |
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| kevinbenton | that's possible | 22:08 |
| kevinbenton | would make sense for API visibility | 22:08 |
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| kevinbenton | but I don't think it's the core component of the RFE | 22:08 |
| armax | kevinbenton: otherwise we’d still have physical != logical | 22:08 |
| kevinbenton | armax: right | 22:08 |
| armax | as far as state goes | 22:08 |
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| armax | if we limit this to a host local thing | 22:08 |
| armax | then I could see it being a neat enanchement | 22:09 |
| armax | the trick is in how to reliably detect the link failure | 22:09 |
| ajo | do we have up/down indication on the port model? I guess we're not talking about admin-state-up | 22:09 |
| ihrachys | btw, let's say you have physnet broken; but you still have connectivity between instances on the same node; is it fair to shut down the port completely? | 22:09 |
| kevinbenton | ihrachys: that's a good concern | 22:10 |
| dougwig | it'll be funny if the taps reflect the physical, but ovs always has the bridges marked down (which started happening in liberty for some reason) | 22:10 |
| kevinbenton | another issue is that the physnet bridge may have multiple physical interfaces plugged into it | 22:10 |
| kevinbenton | what do we do if one fails? | 22:10 |
| kevinbenton | but the other is active | 22:10 |
| ajo | good concerns | 22:10 |
| amotoki | in physical server case, we don't get a port down when an uplink of a switch is down. | 22:11 |
| armax | kevinbenton: right, this may become too deployment dependent | 22:11 |
| kevinbenton | amotoki: ++ | 22:11 |
| kevinbenton | this wouldn't detect other topology failures | 22:11 |
| ajo | amotoki++ | 22:11 |
| ihrachys | I honestly think it's a job for some external tool that would be able to 1) monitor physnet state; 2) talk to guests to do orchestration | 22:11 |
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| kevinbenton | yeah, i'm starting to agree | 22:12 |
| armax | ihrachys: actually, now that you brought this up | 22:12 |
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| kevinbenton | because there are too many different things that an operator might want to watch for | 22:12 |
| armax | there’s also this other bug which is relevant to this discussion | 22:12 |
| ajo | ihrachys, or related to the debugging scenarios hynek was proposing | 22:12 |
| cgoncalves | armax: :-) | 22:12 |
| armax | bug #1598081 | 22:12 |
| openstack | bug 1598081 in neutron "[RFE] Port status update" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1598081 | 22:12 |
| ajo | ahaa | 22:13 |
| armax | if we assume that out of band tools can indeed cooperate with Neutron to manage a port state | 22:13 |
| armax | perhaps we do need to relax the existing API and allow third party to set the status of a logical port | 22:13 |
| armax | either that or, as one alternative being proposed, introduced a new state for this specific need | 22:14 |
| kevinbenton | yeah, i'm more inclined to approve this one | 22:14 |
| armax | 1598081? | 22:14 |
| kevinbenton | because it would allow tooling to do this | 22:14 |
| kevinbenton | yeah | 22:14 |
| ihrachys | + | 22:14 |
| armax | kevinbenton: you mean flipping the allowed_put on port status? | 22:14 |
| ajo | may be even extend the port status beyond a single constant (providing more details of the status issue) | 22:14 |
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| kevinbenton | armax: yeah, or some API mechanism | 22:14 |
| kevinbenton | maybe a new field | 22:14 |
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| kevinbenton | for dataplane status | 22:15 |
| ihrachys | well, I thought it won't be rest exposed; only from inside ml2 drivers? | 22:15 |
| cgoncalves | kevinbenton: like force-down as nova has not for hosts? | 22:15 |
| kevinbenton | there is a lot of logic tied to that status field now, i'm not sure allowing arbitrary changes of STATUS will play well with ML2 | 22:15 |
| armax | kevinbenton: a new field might be better in case some plugins would not tolerate the change in allow_put to True? | 22:15 |
| kevinbenton | armax: yes | 22:15 |
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| kevinbenton | cgoncalves: what does force-down do? | 22:16 |
| ajo | dataplane-status ? | 22:16 |
| kevinbenton | ajo: yeah, i'm thinking something like that | 22:16 |
| cgoncalves | kevinbenton: overwrites 'status' | 22:16 |
| kevinbenton | cgoncalves: ah, yeah i'm not sure forcing status changes will work well with ML2 | 22:17 |
| dougwig | i'd think the ml2 driver or core plugin should get to decide whether a 3rd party gets to muck with your port state. | 22:17 |
| kevinbenton | cgoncalves: its likely to come along and undo the status on an agent sync | 22:17 |
| armax | ok let’s report back on 1575146 based on this discussion and see if that would solve their need | 22:17 |
| armax | in the meantime we can figure out 1598081 on a spec | 22:17 |
| cgoncalves | kevinbenton: I mean, not the 'status' db value but REST API | 22:17 |
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| armax | cgoncalves: it’s probably safer to start putting something into a spec format | 22:18 |
| kevinbenton | cgoncalves: even that is tied to nova notifications | 22:18 |
| kevinbenton | cgoncalves: would a new field not work for your use case? | 22:18 |
| armax | any other opinon on bug 1598081? | 22:18 |
| openstack | bug 1598081 in neutron "[RFE] Port status update" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1598081 | 22:18 |
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| kevinbenton | armax: yes. if the second goes in, then we can partially address this by having tap status reflect the dataplane status | 22:19 |
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| kevinbenton | armax: so then it's just up to a tool to set that status | 22:19 |
| armax | kevinbenton: right, let’s circle back on the former RFE and take it from there | 22:19 |
| cgoncalves | kevinbenton: it would address half of the issue, yes | 22:19 |
| kevinbenton | cgoncalves: what's the other half that it leaves out? | 22:19 |
| cgoncalves | armax: spec sounds good. question is with which approach should we propose firstly | 22:20 |
| armax | cgoncalves: I think the approach that explores a new status field is probably the one with the best chances | 22:20 |
| cgoncalves | kevinbenton: SDN controllers reporting through their existing APIs up to the mech driver | 22:20 |
| cgoncalves | armax: ok | 22:20 |
| kevinbenton | cgoncalves: oh, that's not a big deal if we have a new field | 22:20 |
| kevinbenton | cgoncalves: they could just use the regular update_port core plugin api at that point | 22:21 |
| cgoncalves | kevinbenton: sure | 22:21 |
| ihrachys | armax: no PUT for the start? | 22:21 |
| kevinbenton | +1 to no PUT | 22:21 |
| kevinbenton | and we can even have this new status force the old status to DOWN as well | 22:21 |
| ihrachys | yeah, + for no PUT. we can reiterate later. | 22:21 |
| armax | ihrachys: changing the semantic of PUT may not go down well for all plugins | 22:21 |
| cgoncalves | so we are saying a new field for out of band, while for in band would not need additional work from neutron core, right? | 22:22 |
| armax | but during the spec review we can find out potentially | 22:22 |
| armax | cgoncalves: yes | 22:22 |
| ihrachys | it makes me think... isn't it in a way duplicating the /health api that Hynek is working on? | 22:22 |
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| cgoncalves | armax: sounds good | 22:22 |
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| kevinbenton | ihrachys: well this is setting a state from the API | 22:22 |
| kevinbenton | ihrachys: the /health would look at this i assume as well | 22:23 |
| armax | ihrachys: that’s addressing a different use case | 22:23 |
| cgoncalves | ihrachys: do you have a pointer at hand? | 22:23 |
| armax | I see /health as resource status on steroid | 22:23 |
| armax | s | 22:23 |
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| ihrachys | cgoncalves: https://review.openstack.org/308973 | 22:23 |
| cgoncalves | ihrachys: thanks | 22:23 |
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| kevinbenton | i see /health as reading the status of everything and this new field as a way for plugins to say something is broken | 22:23 |
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| kevinbenton | at the dataplane somewhere | 22:24 |
| armax | ihrachys: now the diagnostics framework could potentially include link status checking | 22:24 |
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| armax | ihrachys: but we’d never go for that in-tree | 22:24 |
| ajo | yeah, they can be complementary, or build on each other | 22:24 |
| armax | ihrachys: now as for the level of pluggability of the diagnostics framework, that is still TBD | 22:25 |
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| armax | questions? notes? shall we move on? | 22:25 |
| ihrachys | not sure I understand why we would not go with at least a check model for link status, but ok. we can probably move on. | 22:25 |
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| armax | ihrachys: please do capture your thoughts on the relevant bug reports | 22:27 |
| ihrachys | armax: will do | 22:27 |
| armax | ihrachys: I suppose anything is possible | 22:27 |
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| ajo | (time check 30min, 7 RFEs left) | 22:27 |
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| ajo | :-) | 22:28 |
| armax | bug 1580880 | 22:28 |
| openstack | bug 1580880 in neutron "[RFE] Distributed Portbinding for all port types" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1580880 - Assigned to Andreas Scheuring (andreas-scheuring) | 22:28 |
| armax | carl_baldwin: ping | 22:28 |
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| carl_baldwin | o/ | 22:28 |
| carl_baldwin | We talked about this at the Nova mid-cycle. johnthetubaguy is taking some interest from the Nova side. | 22:28 |
| armax | carl_baldwin: anything worth sharing about this? | 22:28 |
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| carl_baldwin | I personally think that this ought to be driven from the Nova side for live migration. We should prioritize it to match theirs. | 22:29 |
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| armax | carl_baldwin: so we need to figure out shape and scope, but it’s something that’s in Nova’s hands? | 22:29 |
| armax | carl_baldwin: any other Nova developer willing to sponsor? | 22:29 |
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| carl_baldwin | No one spoke up willing to sponsor but there was general interest like it was something that they'd like to fix. | 22:30 |
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| carl_baldwin | They have a similar issue with Cinder and they'd like to see what similarities there are. | 22:30 |
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| armax | at this point we have the option of marking this postponed and tackle as best effort | 22:31 |
| armax | the Newton window is shut for them anyway | 22:31 |
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| carl_baldwin | The current goal is for John, Paul Murray, Andreas, and me to get a plan ready for summit. | 22:31 |
| armax | so we can take the time to iterate on the spec and revisit as soon as Ocata opens up? | 22:31 |
| carl_baldwin | Yes. | 22:31 |
| armax | carl_baldwin: ok | 22:31 |
| armax | I did look at the spec already | 22:31 |
| armax | let’s continue the tango | 22:31 |
| carl_baldwin | I read through it to. I think it is getting better. | 22:32 |
| armax | moving on? | 22:32 |
| carl_baldwin | *too | 22:32 |
| carl_baldwin | Yes, move on. | 22:32 |
| armax | bug 1583694 | 22:32 |
| openstack | bug 1583694 in neutron "[RFE] DVR support for Allowed_address_pair port that are bound to multiple ACTIVE VM ports" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1583694 - Assigned to Swaminathan Vasudevan (swaminathan-vasudevan) | 22:32 |
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| armax | As for this one, last week we agreed we wanted to explore more formal ways to describe the particular nature of the Floating IP for the use case in which multiple ports involved are needed | 22:33 |
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| carl_baldwin | I thought about this a little bit too. So far, I can't convince myself that a new top-level resource is needed but I don't feel strongly. | 22:33 |
| armax | we’ll keep this on the backburner until we have a new proposal to look at, at this point I feel this probably as come in teh form of a spec? | 22:33 |
| carl_baldwin | ++ | 22:33 |
| armax | carl_baldwin: right, I tend to agree to | 22:33 |
| armax | too* | 22:34 |
| * carl_baldwin 's and armando's double-o keys don't seem to be working today. | 22:34 | |
| armax | but the existing model/API experience can be streamlined | 22:34 |
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| armax | carl_baldwin: would you still agree with this last statement? | 22:35 |
| carl_baldwin | yes | 22:35 |
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| armax | ok | 22:35 |
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| armax | bug 1586056 | 22:36 |
| openstack | bug 1586056 in neutron "[RFE] Improved validation mechanism for QoS rules with port types" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1586056 - Assigned to Slawek Kaplonski (slaweq) | 22:36 |
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| ajo | \o/ | 22:36 |
| armax | ajo, ihrachys are you saying that this turns out to be a simple bug fix? | 22:36 |
| armax | ‘simple’? | 22:36 |
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| ajo | well, not a simple bugfix, the current behaviour could have been considered a bug, may be | 22:37 |
| armax | ajo: is there a patch in the works? | 22:37 |
| ajo | I prefer we actually track it by RFE, we even have a short spec describing the work to be done | 22:37 |
| ajo | armax, yes, 1 sec | 22:37 |
| ihrachys | I think it's a rather straightforward fix, though building it cleanly will require some thought. it changes behaviour for supported rule types API, so it's a RFE. | 22:38 |
| armax | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/328655/? | 22:38 |
| ajo | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/319694/ | 22:38 |
| armax | oh boy you got a -1 from garyk | 22:38 |
| ajo | :P :) | 22:38 |
| ihrachys | :D | 22:38 |
| armax | ok +794,-35 | 22:39 |
| ajo | it's contained in a way that it's only activated via callbacks if qos is enabled | 22:39 |
| kevinbenton | whooo, it deletets 35 lines! :) | 22:39 |
| ajo | cleanup! ;) | 22:39 |
| armax | ajo: and you still want a spec? | 22:39 |
| ajo | the spec seems to be fine, we used it to agree on the high level details of the implementation | 22:40 |
| armax | ajo: is there a pending spec too? | 22:40 |
| ajo | 1 sec | 22:40 |
| ihrachys | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/323474/ | 22:40 |
| ihrachys | the spec ^ | 22:40 |
| ajo | correct | 22:40 |
| ihrachys | it's fine. I don't insist on having one, but since it's already there... | 22:41 |
| armax | ihrachys: ok, it seems most of the legwork is done | 22:41 |
| ajo | basically we're trying to conciliate the heterogeneity of a deployment (different vnic types, different port bindings... with different capabilities) | 22:41 |
| armax | ajo: but you did it with no api changes? | 22:41 |
| ajo | and tell the admin when it's going to do something that does not work | 22:41 |
| ajo | armax, correct, we will only forbid things that don't work | 22:41 |
| * armax must read it to learn how they pulled that off | 22:41 | |
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| armax | ok | 22:42 |
| ajo | like trying to set a policy not compatible with an SR-IOV port | 22:42 |
| ihrachys | no api changes, that was the original concern; now it's properly isolated in scope. | 22:42 |
| ajo | or trying to change a policy in a way that it becomes incompatible to a bound port | 22:42 |
| amotoki | i think error conditions in API will be changed. correct? | 22:42 |
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| ajo | amotoki, we will provide more error conditions (conflict probably) | 22:43 |
| ajo | and document them | 22:43 |
| ajo | but no parameters changed, or REST methods added | 22:43 |
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| armax | ok, I can’t see why we can’t proceed with this one, I’ll look at the outstanding patches | 22:44 |
| armax | I assume that both of you can take care of this in time for Newton? | 22:44 |
| ihrachys | I will trade reviews for that for some of my pending patches... :) | 22:44 |
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| ajo | thanks, yes, I hope we can get it done for newton | 22:44 |
| armax | ihrachys: it doesn’t work like that, but nice try | 22:45 |
| ajo | hehe, that will be welcomed :P :) | 22:45 |
| armax | :) | 22:45 |
| ihrachys | damn! | 22:45 |
| ajo | I thought the trade offer was to me :P | 22:45 |
| ihrachys | let's move on | 22:45 |
| armax | ok | 22:45 |
| ihrachys | ajo: it was | 22:45 |
| armax | bug 1592000 | 22:45 |
| openstack | bug 1592000 in neutron "[RFE] Admin customized default security-group" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1592000 - Assigned to Roey Chen (roeyc) | 22:45 |
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| ihrachys | I think it inherently makes openstack less compatible | 22:46 |
| ihrachys | however we implement or expose the feature. | 22:46 |
| armax | I suppose ihrachys’ comment was the nail in the coffin | 22:46 |
| ihrachys | since the contents of the group is a contract for a long time. | 22:46 |
| armax | I have been pushing back on this myself | 22:46 |
| kevinbenton | nova allowed this right? | 22:47 |
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| armax | kevinbenton: allegedly | 22:47 |
| armax | kevinbenton: though I am not sure if they ever removed the mechanism after juno | 22:47 |
| armax | so right now we are 2 -2 | 22:48 |
| ihrachys | well, in a way, one -2 and one -1 | 22:48 |
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| armax | anyone is willing to argue against the non favorable votes? | 22:48 |
| armax | ihrachys: same difference | 22:48 |
| ajo | well, the incompatibility is a matter of people getting used to properly setup the default SG | 22:48 |
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| armax | what other folks reckon? | 22:48 |
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| ajo | I believe there's a good use case when admins want to setup a higher level of security | 22:49 |
| ajo | it's not the first time I heard that from an operator, but they didn't insist too much, they had more pressing things | 22:49 |
| armax | ajo: bear in mind that this is somewhat already possible | 22:49 |
| amuller | armax: It is? | 22:49 |
| ajo | armax, what do you mean? | 22:49 |
| dougwig | the current nonsense is bullshit that leads to literally every new tenant sending a request, "i can't ping my instances!", so everyone scripts a tenant create with their own default anyway. | 22:49 |
| armax | tenant onboarding | 22:49 |
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| armax | you create a default security group with your junk in it | 22:49 |
| ajo | that's true | 22:50 |
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| armax | but do we want to give the admin the rope? | 22:50 |
| armax | I’d rather not | 22:50 |
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| armax | I’d rather send the opposite signal | 22:50 |
| armax | dougwig: those tenants should RTFM | 22:51 |
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| dougwig | armax: unrealistic for end users. | 22:51 |
| armax | dougwig: nonsense | 22:51 |
| armax | end users who? | 22:51 |
| armax | my granpa? | 22:51 |
| armax | come on! | 22:51 |
| armax | :) | 22:51 |
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| dougwig | and this is why openstack sucks for public clouds. | 22:51 |
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| amotoki | i am not 100% sure this leads to incompatibility. this sounds a possible usecase and API consumer can know what rules are provisioned. | 22:51 |
| kevinbenton | dougwig: aws is default closed, no? | 22:52 |
| armax | that’s EC2 behavior too | 22:52 |
| ihrachys | no, it sucks because we change its behaviour every second cycle. oh wait. | 22:52 |
| dougwig | nah, ec2 walks you through the SG as part of launch, so it hits you in the face. | 22:52 |
| amuller | amotoki: it would be discoverable but every cloud could have a different default | 22:52 |
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| kevinbenton | dougwig: so that has nothing to do with neutron | 22:52 |
| kevinbenton | we've talked about this before | 22:52 |
| armax | dougwig: and so is horizon | 22:52 |
| amotoki | a questions is we need to ensure the default rules or we can say to check the default rules thru API. | 22:52 |
| ihrachys | amotoki: existing apps could not retroactively know that neutron will decide to screw them. | 22:52 |
| kevinbenton | it sounds like you want a horizon feature | 22:52 |
| dougwig | kevinbenton: i want unicorns and cake, too. | 22:53 |
| armax | ok, let’s assume that this is not going anywhere anytime soon | 22:53 |
| njohnston | If people really want this, I think the FWaaS v2 spec covers this use case. | 22:53 |
| armax | perhaps we can involve the nova folks just to stir the pot | 22:53 |
| armax | let’s move on | 22:53 |
| armax | bug 1596611 | 22:53 |
| openstack | bug 1596611 in neutron "[RFE] Create floating-ips with qos" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1596611 - Assigned to LiuYong (liu-yong8) | 22:53 |
| kevinbenton | dougwig: but this would suck more for public clouds if we left it default open | 22:53 |
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| dougwig | kevinbenton: it's really hurt digital ocean a lot. not. | 22:54 |
| ihrachys | that one, I don't believe it's achievable with the current state of traffic classification in neutron (which is non-existent) | 22:54 |
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| armax | ihrachys: way ahead of you | 22:54 |
| armax | ihrachys: we do have a mechanism to postpone | 22:54 |
| kevinbenton | dougwig: digital ocean beating amazon? :) | 22:54 |
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| ajo | I believe we can't tackle that yet | 22:55 |
| ihrachys | then let's do it. I would mark TC effort as a dep for that RFE, but that's probably something not supported for bugs but for bps only. good riddance. | 22:55 |
| dougwig | kevinbenton: bah, we pick and choose using AWS as our PRD, depending on our biases. | 22:55 |
| armax | ihrachys: your comment sums it up pretty well | 22:55 |
| ajo | eventually we will be able | 22:55 |
| armax | bug 1603833 | 22:55 |
| openstack | bug 1603833 in neutron "If we need a host filter in neutron ?" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1603833 | 22:55 |
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| armax | this one I think can be tackled by nova’s scheduler filter mechanism | 22:55 |
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| armax | anyone can comment? | 22:55 |
| amuller | dougwig: it's a useful data point is all | 22:55 |
| amuller | dougwig: non-binding | 22:55 |
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| dougwig | armax: does the nova scheduler have the neutron net when it runs? | 22:56 |
| armax | dougwig: I suppose they must | 22:56 |
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| ajo | that's related to the nova generic resource pool integration | 22:56 |
| ihrachys | armax: I am not 100% sure that's the only goal, but if it's about bandwidth oversubscribing, then I think it's a dup for another bug I mentioned there. | 22:56 |
| armax | the godaddy guys developed the IP availability API for a similar use case | 22:56 |
| ajo | and, also related to strict min bandwidth limit (when they talk about bandwidth) | 22:56 |
| ajo | we have a QoS RFE for that, but we need to wait on nova to be ready before jumping in | 22:57 |
| armax | ok, let’s continue the chat on the bug to further scope it | 22:57 |
| armax | I suppose this is a first, have we ever managed to finish the entire list in one meeting? | 22:57 |
| kevinbenton | yes | 22:57 |
| carl_baldwin | I don't think we have | 22:57 |
| armax | ok | 22:58 |
| armax | let’s get 2 mins back | 22:58 |
| armax | #endmeeting | 22:58 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jul 21 22:58:39 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:58 |
| armax | bye everyone | 22:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2016/neutron_drivers.2016-07-21-22.00.html | 22:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2016/neutron_drivers.2016-07-21-22.00.txt | 22:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2016/neutron_drivers.2016-07-21-22.00.log.html | 22:58 |
| ihrachys | gn folks! :) | 22:58 |
| ajo | hurray! | 22:58 |
| ajo | gn ihrachys | 22:58 |
| ajo | gn * | 22:58 |
| * ihrachys has a bus to catch to Prague in... wait for it... 6h. time to have some sleep. | 22:59 | |
| ajo | ihrachys, travelling ? | 22:59 |
| ajo | safe travels! | 22:59 |
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| amuller | ihrachys suffers for the midcycle | 22:59 |
| ihrachys | ajo: one day trip, those bastards from an embassy don't want to send visa, they require personal attendance. | 22:59 |
| ajo | ihrachys, :S | 22:59 |
| ihrachys | ok cheers. have a good one all. | 23:00 |
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