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| hongbin | #startmeeting zun | 03:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jul 19 03:00:02 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is hongbin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 03:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 03:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:00 | |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'zun' | 03:00 |
| hongbin | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Zun#Agenda_for_2016-07-19_0300_UTC Today's agenda | 03:00 |
| hongbin | #topic Roll Call | 03:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Roll Call (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:00 | |
| Namrata | O/ | 03:00 |
| yanyanhu | o/ | 03:00 |
| shubhams__ | o/ | 03:00 |
| mkrai | Madhuri Kumari | 03:00 |
| eliqiao | o/ | 03:00 |
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| sudipto | o/ | 03:01 |
| kragniz | o/ | 03:01 |
| Qiming | o/ | 03:01 |
| flwang1 | o/ | 03:01 |
| hongbin | Thanks for joining the meeting Namrata yanyanhu shubhams__ mkrai eliqiao sudipto kragniz Qiming flwang1 | 03:01 |
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| hongbin | #topic Announcements | 03:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:01 | |
| hongbin | I have no announcement | 03:02 |
| hongbin | Anyone has? | 03:02 |
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| hongbin | #topic Review Action Items | 03:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review Action Items (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:02 | |
| hongbin | 1. hongbin create an etherpad for the COE API design (Done) | 03:02 |
| hongbin | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/zun-coe-service-api | 03:02 |
| hongbin | We can work on the etherpad as a homework | 03:03 |
| hongbin | 2. mkrai to create an etherpad for nova-integration (Done) | 03:03 |
| hongbin | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/zun-containers-nova-integration | 03:03 |
| mkrai | I have written just my view point there. | 03:03 |
| hongbin | ack | 03:03 |
| hongbin | 3. shubhams to create a bp for managing state of containers | 03:03 |
| shubhams__ | Created a bp | 03:04 |
| hongbin | shubhams__: you have any update? | 03:04 |
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| shubhams__ | I have created a bp and working on the same | 03:04 |
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| hongbin | shubhams__: do you have a link to the BP? | 03:04 |
| shubhams__ | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/zun/+spec/container-state-management-poc | 03:04 |
| hongbin | shubhams__: thanks :) | 03:05 |
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| hongbin | status: Done | 03:05 |
| hongbin | 4. madhuri Add points why we want to integrate with nova on BP whiteboard | 03:05 |
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| hongbin | Done | 03:05 |
| mkrai | Ok I have done that in etherpad itself | 03:05 |
| hongbin | yes | 03:05 |
| hongbin | #topic Runtimes API design | 03:05 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to "Runtimes API design (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:05 | |
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| hongbin | mkrai: your stage :) | 03:06 |
| mkrai | Ok so I have written the basic APIs | 03:06 |
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| mkrai | Now I am working on docker controller patch to incorporate them all | 03:06 |
| mkrai | I don't think we need spec for same | 03:07 |
| hongbin | No, I don't think so | 03:07 |
| yanyanhu | mkrai, you mean the API controller? | 03:07 |
| mkrai | Yes | 03:07 |
| yanyanhu | I see | 03:07 |
| mkrai | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/328444/ | 03:07 |
| mkrai | If anyone has any concern they can comment on the patch | 03:08 |
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| mkrai | hongbin, thats all | 03:08 |
| eliqiao | mkrai: there should be a related etherpad ? | 03:08 |
| mkrai | Yes | 03:09 |
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| eliqiao | mkrai: can you please link it on the patch? | 03:09 |
| eliqiao | for easy reviewing | 03:09 |
| mkrai | Yes sure I will do that | 03:09 |
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| mkrai | eliqiao, good point :) | 03:09 |
| eliqiao | mkrai: thanks :) | 03:09 |
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| mkrai | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/zun-containers-service-api-spec | 03:09 |
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| mkrai | Above is the link for API spec | 03:09 |
| hongbin | Thanks mkrai | 03:10 |
| hongbin | Next topic | 03:10 |
| hongbin | #topic Nova integration | 03:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Nova integration (Meeting topic: zun)" | 03:10 | |
| hongbin | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/zun/+spec/nova-integration The BP | 03:10 |
| hongbin | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/zun-containers-nova-integration The etherpad | 03:10 |
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| mkrai | hongbin, In last team meeting there were some concern on integrating with nova | 03:10 |
| hongbin | I saw the log of last meeting, it looks there are concerns on this direction | 03:11 |
| mkrai | Do we have strong point on doing that? | 03:11 |
| mkrai | Yes | 03:11 |
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| hongbin | yanyanhu: Qiming : ^^ | 03:11 |
| mkrai | sudipto, ... | 03:11 |
| Qiming | I think it mainly falls on the nova-docker use case | 03:11 |
| yanyanhu | :) | 03:12 |
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| hongbin | silent... | 03:13 |
| yanyanhu | not sure whether there is use case, but from unified compute resource perspective, we may need it | 03:13 |
| Qiming | there are use cases we want to support where people want to treat containers as light-weight virtual machines | 03:13 |
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| sudipto | Qiming, i think that's a very good use case. I have always thought of the nova integration being more seemless for an isolated/secure container workflow. | 03:14 |
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| sudipto | per the ML discussion, it does seem like nova-docker has a few consumers. | 03:14 |
| mkrai | No one is maintaining it I guess | 03:15 |
| Qiming | yep, that's my perception too | 03:15 |
| Qiming | dims proposed to retire nova-docker | 03:15 |
| sudipto | my only thing is - we should focus on the core of zun before the integration work - so that we have something solid out first. But if the team wants to do nova integration first, i have no problem. | 03:15 |
| hongbin | Well, the rule of open source is who want it, who is the one to do it :) | 03:16 |
| Qiming | if there is no obvious conflict, we may want to try pursue these two goals in parallel | 03:16 |
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| Qiming | agreed, hongbin | 03:16 |
| hongbin | If nobody interrest to take the task, then it means nobody think it is useful, we don't need to worry about that anymore | 03:16 |
| Qiming | I believe there are many variants out there, :) | 03:17 |
| yanyanhu | at least not an urgent need I think if nova-docker will still be available in short future | 03:17 |
| hongbin | Who is taking hte nova integration bp? | 03:17 |
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| Namrata_ | I want to | 03:18 |
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| hongbin | Namrata_: go ahead | 03:18 |
| Namrata_ | okay thanks | 03:18 |
| Qiming | thanks, Namrata_, pls let me know if helps needed | 03:18 |
| mkrai | Thanks Namrata_ | 03:18 |
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| Namrata_ | okay | 03:18 |
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| hongbin | sudipto: If there is a volunteer, it looks we can do both in parallel. | 03:19 |
| sudipto | hongbin sure. | 03:19 |
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| hongbin | Any thing else to discuss about nova integration? | 03:19 |
| mkrai | Cool now we have an agreement :) | 03:20 |
| hongbin | :) | 03:20 |
| hongbin | Namrata_: Do you have idea about the design? implementation? | 03:20 |
| eliqiao | my concern is how to test that | 03:20 |
| eliqiao | Nova now doesn't support out-of-tree driver. | 03:20 |
| Namrata_ | currently i am going through ironic driver | 03:21 |
| hongbin | Namrata_: Yes, that is a good start | 03:21 |
| hongbin | eliqiao: I guess we can setup a pipeline in the gate? | 03:21 |
| Qiming | nova always believe it is the god <-- okay, not funny | 03:22 |
| hongbin | :) | 03:22 |
| mkrai | :D | 03:22 |
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| eliqiao | haha. nova is the father. | 03:23 |
| yanyanhu | hongbin, you mean a test job with nova pre-setup? | 03:23 |
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| hongbin | yanyanhu: Yes, it should be as easy as a normal devstack setup | 03:24 |
| yanyanhu | and install Zun nova driver when building job | 03:24 |
| mkrai | eliqiao, do they plan to take out ironic driver also? | 03:24 |
| yanyanhu | hongbin, yes, it will work I think | 03:24 |
| eliqiao | mkrai: no, I meant nova doesn't want to support virt-driver which is out of nova tree. | 03:24 |
| hongbin | eliqiao: No, we support the out-of-tree driver | 03:25 |
| yanyanhu | eliqiao, you mean the virt-driver interface will no longer be supported by nova? | 03:25 |
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| hongbin | eliqiao: We have the driver in our tree, have a devstack plugin to set it up, and test it in gate | 03:25 |
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| mkrai | yes and I guess that is more preferrable | 03:26 |
| mkrai | It lies in our tree | 03:26 |
| mkrai | And we manage it well | 03:26 |
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| Qiming | right, we are not talking about having nova team to support the container driver in zun | 03:27 |
| eliqiao | hongbin: yes, I know that, but for nova loading our virt-driver, I am not sure if it's a easy work. | 03:27 |
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| Qiming | zun team can do it, no? | 03:27 |
| eliqiao | hongbin: check https://review.openstack.org/#/c/309504/ | 03:27 |
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| yanyanhu | Qiming, +1, for users who have requirement, they can get it from Zun repo | 03:27 |
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| eliqiao | yanyanhu ^^ check the link | 03:27 |
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| hongbin | eliqiao: We can figure out how to do that later. | 03:28 |
| eliqiao | hongbin: okay, just checked, it's reverted. | 03:28 |
| hongbin | eliqiao: No need to bother the technical details at the beginning IMO | 03:28 |
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| eliqiao | okay, I have no concern now. it's okay to go. | 03:29 |
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| hongbin | eliqiao: Thanks for pointing it out though | 03:29 |
| yanyanhu | eliqiao, thanks for link. This change makes thing complicated I think... | 03:29 |
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| Qiming | great, that stupid patch is reverted | 03:29 |
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| eliqiao | yanyanhu: Qiming :( the reverted patch abandoned :( | 03:30 |
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| eliqiao | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/310255/ | 03:30 |
| yanyanhu | sigh... | 03:30 |
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| hongbin | There must be a way to hack it in my feelings | 03:31 |
| hongbin | Especially we control the devstack | 03:31 |
| Qiming | "The out of tree drivers just need to tweak their packaging to make this work." | 03:31 |
| yanyanhu | so that will become Nova's decision: whether there is a Nova driver for Zun | 03:31 |
| Qiming | from Matt in the review comment | 03:31 |
| Qiming | so that is the 'workaround' | 03:31 |
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| hongbin | Any more comment? | 03:32 |
| hongbin | OK. Advance topic | 03:33 |
| hongbin | #topic Re-consider RabbitMQ. How about using key/value store (i.e. etcd) for passing messages | 03:33 |
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| hongbin | I guess this was discussed in the last meeting as well? | 03:33 |
| shubhams__ | For this, work is in progress .. | 03:33 |
| mkrai | Not in detail | 03:33 |
| shubhams__ | but from what I have looked upon, it looks like that etcd is better option | 03:34 |
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| eliqiao | shubhams__: reason for etcd? | 03:34 |
| shubhams__ | Because of scalability and its ability to handle cases like failures | 03:35 |
| eliqiao | shubhams__: hmm... I am okay to try new stuff, but does OpenStack has such oslo lib to using etcd ? | 03:35 |
| shubhams__ | Since container can live a short life , so we need to select a solution that handles node failures well | 03:35 |
| shubhams__ | eliqiao : I need to check that | 03:35 |
| eliqiao | shubhams__: cool, thanks. | 03:36 |
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| mkrai | Isn't there any openstack project already using it? | 03:36 |
| hongbin | taskflow | 03:36 |
| eliqiao | mkrai: good question, that also I want to ask. | 03:36 |
| eliqiao | ah.. good example. | 03:36 |
| mkrai | Ok | 03:37 |
| shubhams__ | hongbin : you mean taskflow uses etcd? | 03:37 |
| hongbin | Frankly, all COEs are using key/value store | 03:37 |
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| hongbin | shubhams__: yes, (or zookeeper) | 03:37 |
| eliqiao | hongbin: yeah. we are more like a COE | 03:37 |
| shubhams__ | hongbin : you are right , kubernetes uses etcd while docker supports consul and etcd as well | 03:37 |
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| hongbin | Then, it raises another question | 03:38 |
| hongbin | do we need the rabbitmq? | 03:38 |
| mkrai | hongbin, Ok so we can aim on using taskflow also? | 03:38 |
| sudipto | i think the choice depends on what we want to establish from the data stores as well. Do you imagine running a etcd of zun's and then another etcd running for kubernetes? | 03:38 |
| sudipto | (for example) | 03:38 |
| eliqiao | so we plan to develop a db driver to support etcd/consul as such key/value store? | 03:38 |
| hongbin | mkrai: I am not sure about using taskflow or not | 03:38 |
| yanyanhu | or Tooz? | 03:39 |
| yanyanhu | http://docs.openstack.org/developer/tooz/ | 03:39 |
| sudipto | so the question is more on the lines of - what do you want to store in etcd - a full fledged container state or something that is a proxy to the actual COE DB. | 03:39 |
| yanyanhu | lock management, leadership election, group membership | 03:39 |
| hongbin | sudipto: There are two things | 03:39 |
| eliqiao | yanyanhu: cool, which project using that? | 03:39 |
| yanyanhu | eliqiao, heat has plan I know | 03:40 |
| hongbin | sudipto: the Zun itself and the referenced COE | 03:40 |
| yanyanhu | and also Senlin has plan :) | 03:40 |
| yanyanhu | to use it manage distributed lock | 03:40 |
| eliqiao | cool yanyanhu | 03:40 |
| hongbin | sudipto: We use etcd in the referenced COE, but in Zun | 03:40 |
| Qiming | a little bit confused ... not sure I understand the question | 03:40 |
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| yanyanhu | it can support different kinds of backend, including zookeeper and etcd(as announced) | 03:40 |
| Qiming | the topic is: " Re-consider RabbitMQ. How about using key/value store (i.e. etcd) for passing messages" | 03:41 |
| yanyanhu | it will at least :) | 03:41 |
| hongbin | Qiming: which part is confusing? | 03:41 |
| Qiming | tooz cannot do message passing (aka. rpc), IIRC | 03:41 |
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| hongbin | Qiming: Here is how it works. Node A watch the etcd, Nova B write the etcd, Node A get notified | 03:42 |
| Qiming | that is etcd's main use case | 03:42 |
| hongbin | Qiming: Nova A watch K, Nova B write message to K, Nova A get message from K | 03:43 |
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| Qiming | so it is now treated as a (functional) superset of message queue? | 03:43 |
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| hongbin | I guess yes | 03:43 |
| hongbin | That is how k8s works | 03:43 |
| Qiming | okay, if that is true, it answers my question | 03:44 |
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| hongbin | However, etcd is just an option | 03:45 |
| hongbin | I don't know if it fits into Zun or not | 03:45 |
| hongbin | Another option is rabbitmq | 03:45 |
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| shubhams__ | yes . so far we have 4 options : RabbitMQ, etcd, taskflow and tooz | 03:45 |
| yanyanhu | hongbin, need some investigation here I think. Tooz's scope is wider I feel | 03:45 |
| hongbin | yanyanhu: sure | 03:46 |
| Qiming | tooz seems not desgined to be a message passing venue I think | 03:46 |
| mkrai | rabbitmq is just for message passing. Isn't it? We can't store state there | 03:46 |
| Qiming | though it provides a better abstraction of DLM, group memberhips management etc | 03:46 |
| hongbin | mkrai: rabbimq for message passing, etcd for storage | 03:47 |
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| hongbin | It seems we need a volunteer to investigate? | 03:47 |
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| Qiming | oh, cool, etcd is written in go | 03:48 |
| yanyanhu | hongbin, I can spend some time on Tooz I think | 03:48 |
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| hongbin | yanyanhu: thx | 03:48 |
| yanyanhu | but as Qiming said, it is not for messaging I feel | 03:48 |
| hongbin | ack | 03:49 |
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| eliqiao | also we can investigate how taskflow using etcd? | 03:49 |
| hongbin | OK. I will take the task | 03:49 |
| shubhams__ | I can check etcd | 03:49 |
| hongbin | #action hongbin investigate an option for message passing | 03:49 |
| mkrai | hongbin, I think its better to write our requirement on bp | 03:49 |
| mkrai | shubhams__, ^ | 03:49 |
| hongbin | shubhams__: sure. Feel free to join me | 03:49 |
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| hongbin | mkrai: what kind of requirement in your mind? | 03:50 |
| yanyanhu | agree mkrai, better have a bp or etherpad to record the investigation result | 03:50 |
| mkrai | yanyanhu, We do have one | 03:50 |
| mkrai | hongbin, One is store containers state | 03:51 |
| yanyanhu | great, will log result on it | 03:51 |
| mkrai | hongbin, And message passing. I have one question here | 03:52 |
| yanyanhu | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/zun/+spec/container-state-management-poc | 03:52 |
| yanyanhu | hi, mkrai , this one? | 03:52 |
| hongbin | This is a BP | 03:53 |
| mkrai | Message passing above is between which nodes? | 03:53 |
| mkrai | yes yanyanhu | 03:53 |
| yanyanhu | got it | 03:53 |
| hongbin | mkrai: between components | 03:53 |
| mkrai | Where our containers are running? | 03:53 |
| hongbin | mkrai: api <-> conductor? <-> agent | 03:53 |
| mkrai | Ok got it | 03:54 |
| hongbin | container is running on zun-compute (an agent) | 03:54 |
| yanyanhu | just added an etherpad for it | 03:54 |
| yanyanhu | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/container-state-management | 03:54 |
| mkrai | But do we want to reconsider it? | 03:54 |
| yanyanhu | added link to bp | 03:54 |
| hongbin | Nice | 03:54 |
| mkrai | Is there any performance overhead or anything? | 03:54 |
| mkrai | rabbitmq is used in all projects for message passing | 03:55 |
| hongbin | The more components we have, the more overhead on the message queue | 03:55 |
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| hongbin | #topic Open Discussion | 03:55 |
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| yanyanhu | sorry, please use this one: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/zun-container-state-management | 03:56 |
| yanyanhu | add zun- prefix | 03:56 |
| hongbin | k | 03:56 |
| hongbin | mkrai: Yes, but we are developing a referenced COE now | 03:56 |
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| hongbin | mkrai: I doubt if rabbitmq still fit into a COE? as they fit into the OpenStack project? | 03:57 |
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| hongbin | mkrai: Frankly, I don't know. | 03:57 |
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| mkrai | hongbin, Sorry for confusion but I think rabbitmq part is independent of etcd | 03:57 |
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| mkrai | Where comes rabbitmq in picture for COE? | 03:58 |
| mkrai | COE has its own etcd which we don't need to worry | 03:58 |
| hongbin | mkrai: My argument is rabbitmq is universal in openstack | 03:59 |
| hongbin | mkrai: but it is not used in any COE | 03:59 |
| mkrai | Yes | 03:59 |
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| mkrai | Ok I think we should move over to #zun | 03:59 |
| mkrai | Thanks hongbin | 04:00 |
| hongbin | Yes, the team meeting is end | 04:00 |
| hongbin | All. Thanks for joining the meeting | 04:00 |
| yanyanhu | thanks | 04:00 |
| hongbin | #endmeeting | 04:00 |
| shubhams__ | probably we might end up using rabbitmq and etcd/taskflow/tooz both | 04:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jul 19 04:00:17 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 04:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zun/2016/zun.2016-07-19-03.00.html | 04:00 |
| Namrata_ | thanks.. | 04:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zun/2016/zun.2016-07-19-03.00.txt | 04:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/zun/2016/zun.2016-07-19-03.00.log.html | 04:00 |
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| yuvalbr | #startmeeting Smaug | 09:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jul 19 09:00:23 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is yuvalbr. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 09:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 09:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Smaug)" | 09:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'smaug' | 09:00 |
| yuvalbr | Hello everybody | 09:00 |
| xiangxinyong | hello | 09:00 |
| zhonghuali | hi | 09:00 |
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| oshidoshi | hi everyone | 09:01 |
| xiangxinyong | hi | 09:01 |
| yuvalbr | #info zhonghuali xiangxinyong oshidoshi in meeting | 09:01 |
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| oshidoshi | I hear you are making sure Yuval eats well :) | 09:02 |
| yuvalbr | Hot pot <3 | 09:02 |
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| yuvalbr | Let's wait a couple of more minutes | 09:03 |
| zhonghuali | yuvalbr:do you like it? | 09:03 |
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| yuvalbr | zhonghuali, yes, very much | 09:04 |
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| zhonghuali | yuvalbr: :) | 09:04 |
| yuvalbr | yinwei? | 09:04 |
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| yuvalbr | Ok, let's move on | 09:05 |
| yuvalbr | #topic Announcements | 09:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: Smaug)" | 09:05 | |
| yuvalbr | First, some of us have been to OpenStack Days China | 09:05 |
| yuvalbr | Me, xiangxinyong and zhonghuali | 09:06 |
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| yuvalbr | Smaug was presented as part of a talk about Data Protection | 09:06 |
| yuvalbr | About 120 people attended the talk | 09:06 |
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| yuvalbr | Hopefully I'll find the video of the talk and add to the wiki | 09:07 |
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| zhonghuali | yuvalbr: you did a very exciting speech | 09:08 |
| zhangshuai_ | hi | 09:08 |
| xiangxinyong | +1 | 09:08 |
| yuvalbr | zhonghuali, thanks | 09:08 |
| yuvalbr | #info zhangshuai_ in meeting | 09:08 |
| zhonghuali | yuvalbr:especially the chinese words | 09:08 |
| xiangxinyong | :) | 09:08 |
| yuvalbr | zhonghuali had a major part in this talk | 09:09 |
| yuvalbr | zhonghuali and presented Smaug in Chinese very well | 09:09 |
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| oshidoshi | that's very good to hear | 09:09 |
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| zhonghuali | yuvalbr:thank you | 09:09 |
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| yuvalbr | Second, we are renaming Smaug to a different name and changing the logo to comply with OpenStack new guidelines for logos | 09:10 |
| yuvalbr | The guidelines for the logo are animal or a natural feature | 09:10 |
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| xiangxinyong | could i paste the link for the new name? | 09:11 |
| yuvalbr | So the name should correlate to the logo. We will be voting for the two of them | 09:11 |
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| yuvalbr | xiangxinyong sure | 09:11 |
| xiangxinyong | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/smaug | 09:11 |
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| yuvalbr | Please visit the link and if you have questions about any of the proposed names, please ask | 09:12 |
| zhongjun_ | ok | 09:13 |
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| zhonghuali | yuvalbr: could you pls tell us what is Possum | 09:14 |
| yuvalbr | Ok, so we will do this two rounds. Please write two of the names you prefer. Then we take the top two and revote | 09:15 |
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| oshidoshi | Possum is an animal that lives in Australia, it has a pouch like Kangaroo | 09:15 |
| xiangxinyong | ok | 09:15 |
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| xiangxinyong | I prefer two names: Coolbun and Karbor | 09:16 |
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| oshidoshi | Carapace and Possum | 09:16 |
| zhonghuali | xiangxinyong: Kaebor sounds good | 09:16 |
| xiangxinyong | zhonghuali:) | 09:17 |
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| zhonghuali | It is easy to say | 09:17 |
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| yuvalbr | smile-luobin, zhonghuali? | 09:18 |
| oshidoshi | just a question - how is it related to what the project is doing? (data protection) | 09:18 |
| oshidoshi | (referring to Karbor) | 09:18 |
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| oshidoshi | oh, it's a Koala bear, thus a Marsupial animal... okay got it | 09:19 |
| zhonghuali | It has a bug | 09:19 |
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| smile-luobin | I prefer: Possum | 09:19 |
| oshidoshi | zhonghuali: ha ha... that's nice | 09:19 |
| xiangxinyong | Karbor has a pocket | 09:19 |
| zhonghuali | s/bug/bag | 09:19 |
| zengchen | i like Possum and karbor. Possum's pouch is very nice. | 09:19 |
| yuvalbr | smile-luobin, anything else? | 09:19 |
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| zhangshuai_ | I prefer two names: karbor and Possum | 09:19 |
| xiangxinyong | and the pocket is conntected with data protection | 09:19 |
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| yuvalbr | mine: karbor and possum | 09:20 |
| xiangxinyong | http://baike.baidu.com/pic/%E6%A0%91%E8%A2%8B%E7%86%8A/136111/0/faf2b2119313b07efe694aa10fd7912396dd8c46?fr=lemma&ct=single#aid=0&pic=faf2b2119313b07efe694aa10fd7912396dd8c46 | 09:20 |
| xiangxinyong | it is very cool | 09:21 |
| smile-luobin | And Karbor. | 09:21 |
| oshidoshi | only problem is, if someone already grabbed the Koala mascot, we're in a problem | 09:21 |
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| wla | I prefer two names: Karbor and Carapace | 09:22 |
| zhonghuali | my choice :Karbor ,Pita | 09:22 |
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| smile-luobin | my choice: Karbor, Possum | 09:23 |
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| zhonghuali | I think Possum is ok | 09:23 |
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| yuvalbr | ok, so currently it is: | 09:24 |
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| huayi_ | i prefer karbor | 09:25 |
| yuvalbr | huayi_, and 1 more? | 09:25 |
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| zhonghuali | what is the result？ | 09:25 |
| huayi_ | Possum | 09:26 |
| zhangshuai_ | karbor and possum | 09:26 |
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| yuvalbr | karbor (7) possum (6) carapace (2) coolbun (1) pita (1) | 09:26 |
| yuvalbr | Anyone else? | 09:26 |
| zhongjun_ | my choice: coolbun and possum | 09:27 |
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| zhonghuali | ohh. | 09:27 |
| yuvalbr | karbor (7) possum (7) carapace (2) pita (2) coolbun (1) | 09:27 |
| oshidoshi | so, we have a tie on Karbor and Possum | 09:27 |
| yuvalbr | Ok, we have another round, karbor vs possum | 09:27 |
| oshidoshi | I think, we can let Saggi break the tie, maybe later today | 09:27 |
| yuvalbr | ok | 09:27 |
| zhonghuali | oshidoshi:+1 | 09:28 |
| zhangshuai_ | +1 | 09:28 |
| xiangxinyong | :P | 09:28 |
| yuvalbr | Ok, great | 09:28 |
| yuvalbr | I forgot to say that the new logo will be illustrated by an OpenStack illustrator | 09:29 |
| yuvalbr | #topic Protection Plugins | 09:29 |
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| yuvalbr | We have two pending protections plugins: network and server | 09:30 |
| zhangshuai_ | I has tested server plugin, and it is ok. | 09:31 |
| yuvalbr | zhangshuai_, very good | 09:31 |
| zhonghuali | zhangshuai_: thanks | 09:32 |
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| xiangxinyong | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/319158/ | 09:32 |
| xiangxinyong | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/295618/ | 09:32 |
| huayi_ | i had uploaded 3 patches about network | 09:32 |
| smile-luobin | I have updated the patches about: nova protection plugin and nova restoration, and fix the bugs. | 09:32 |
| huayi_ | need to be reviewed | 09:33 |
| xiangxinyong | yeah. please see the above links. They are about the server plugin | 09:33 |
| yuvalbr | So please dedicate some time to review | 09:33 |
| yuvalbr | This is true with Operation Engine patches as well. zengchen did a very good work about managing the trust for operations happening in the future | 09:34 |
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| chenhuayi | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/305522/ | 09:35 |
| chenhuayi | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/319196/ | 09:35 |
| chenhuayi | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/310023/ | 09:35 |
| chenhuayi | about network plugin. pls review | 09:35 |
| zengchen | yuvalbar: thank you. | 09:35 |
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| zengchen | guys, please give me more feedback. thanks. | 09:36 |
| yuvalbr | #topic Barcelona Summit | 09:36 |
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| yuvalbr | Barcelona Summit deadline for submission has passed, and submissions are up for review | 09:36 |
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| yuvalbr | *will be up for review in July 26th, apparently | 09:37 |
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| yuvalbr | Once we change the name of the project, make sure to update you submissions | 09:38 |
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| zhonghuali | yuvalbr:ok | 09:38 |
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| xiangxinyong | oshidoshi: thanks for your suggestions about the summit topic. | 09:38 |
| yuvalbr | #topic Free Discussion | 09:39 |
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| oshidoshi | xiangxinyong: you're welcome :) | 09:39 |
| yuvalbr | Any questions? Open issues? | 09:39 |
| zhangshuai_ | I have tested scheduledoperantion with CLI, it is all ok too. but i have a question, the min interval of trigger is 3600 seconds, so if that, the time of fullstack will wait a long time. | 09:40 |
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| xiangxinyong | it means we need to wait for 1 hours in a fullstack test? | 09:41 |
| zengchen | zhangshaui_:you can change the config to make the test fast | 09:41 |
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| zhangshuai_ | but CI in Jenkins is still 3600 | 09:41 |
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| yuvalbr | zhangshuai_, good point | 09:42 |
| zhangshuai_ | maybe more than 1 hours, addition other test. | 09:42 |
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| zengchen | zhangshuai_:yes, we should think about it. | 09:42 |
| yuvalbr | zhangshuai_, would writing a new time format for testing can help? | 09:43 |
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| zhangshuai_ | yuvalbr:maybe that is a idea. | 09:44 |
| zengchen | yuvabr:i think it is not about the time format, but the interval of time. | 09:45 |
| zhangshuai_ | that means operationengine needs support a new format | 09:45 |
| zhangshuai_ | yes, zengchen:+1 | 09:45 |
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| yuvalbr | Ok, we should think about a solution for that | 09:46 |
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| zhangshuai_ | ok. | 09:46 |
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| yuvalbr | Anything else? | 09:46 |
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| yuvalbr | Thank you all! | 09:47 |
| yuvalbr | #endmeeting | 09:47 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jul 19 09:47:29 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 09:47 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/smaug/2016/smaug.2016-07-19-09.00.html | 09:47 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/smaug/2016/smaug.2016-07-19-09.00.txt | 09:47 |
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| Qiming | #startmeeting senlin | 13:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jul 19 13:00:26 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Qiming. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:00 |
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| Qiming | hello | 13:01 |
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| zzxwill | Good evening. | 13:01 |
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| lixinhui_ | good evening | 13:01 |
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| cschulz | good evening | 13:01 |
| Qiming | evening everyone | 13:01 |
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| Qiming | #topic agenda items | 13:02 |
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| Qiming | if you have any topics for discussion, please add them here: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/SenlinAgenda | 13:02 |
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| Qiming | let's start with the progress etherpad | 13:03 |
| Qiming | #topic newton work items | 13:03 |
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| Qiming | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/senlin-newton-workitems | 13:03 |
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| Qiming | seems yan yan is not online | 13:04 |
| Qiming | the rally tests are pending review | 13:04 |
| Qiming | hopefully, with some minor tweaks, they will get merged | 13:04 |
| Qiming | lixinhui_, any update from scaling tests? | 13:05 |
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| lixinhui_ | Intel will loan vmware a super large test bed | 13:05 |
| lixinhui_ | if time permits, we can try to run senlin on it | 13:06 |
| Qiming | wow, what do you mean by "super large"? | 13:06 |
| lixinhui_ | around thousand machines | 13:06 |
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| lixinhui_ | physical hosts | 13:06 |
| lixinhui_ | now it is used to running vio long run tests | 13:07 |
| Qiming | it would be super great if we can get some perf data on a large scale deployment | 13:07 |
| lixinhui_ | after that if the time permits, we can try to run senlin | 13:07 |
| Qiming | great | 13:07 |
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| lixinhui_ | that belongs to OpenStack foundation | 13:07 |
| Qiming | please take notes on all aspects of senlin behavior | 13:07 |
| lixinhui_ | all the machines come from different aspects | 13:08 |
| Qiming | not just performance, but also concurrency, consistency etc | 13:08 |
| lixinhui_ | hope so | 13:08 |
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| lixinhui_ | please share me details of china mobile deployment | 13:08 |
| lixinhui_ | hope we can remove basic problems | 13:08 |
| lixinhui_ | by these experience | 13:08 |
| Qiming | I don't have lot to share other than their public presentation | 13:09 |
| lixinhui_ | ok | 13:09 |
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| lixinhui_ | little bit pity if most of time spent on small problems | 13:09 |
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| Qiming | I believe you have got some doc from liu junwei, correct? | 13:09 |
| lixinhui_ | not really | 13:10 |
| lixinhui_ | I just got his chart | 13:10 |
| lixinhui_ | but no detailed configurations on nova and so on | 13:10 |
| Qiming | about message queue, about nova api etc | 13:10 |
| lixinhui_ | do not have these deyails | 13:10 |
| Qiming | if you do a search | 13:10 |
| lixinhui_ | if possible | 13:10 |
| Qiming | I think he has some presentation on last summit | 13:10 |
| lixinhui_ | I want to get these info | 13:10 |
| Qiming | about how they solved the bottleneck problem | 13:10 |
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| lixinhui_ | I once learned that | 13:11 |
| Qiming | it is something you can find online | 13:11 |
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| lixinhui_ | but still need details | 13:11 |
| lixinhui_ | the talk only mention the problem side but need details to reproduce | 13:11 |
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| lixinhui_ | you know | 13:11 |
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| lixinhui_ | just like paper and deployment document | 13:12 |
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| Qiming | then you have to contact liu junwei directly | 13:12 |
| Qiming | see if they have details that meet your request | 13:12 |
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| Qiming | moving on | 13:14 |
| Qiming | health management | 13:14 |
| lixinhui_ | performance/salability really need more time | 13:14 |
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| Qiming | yes, I know that, I have been working on performance for at least 3 years in a row, you know | 13:14 |
| lixinhui_ | yes, I see | 13:15 |
| Qiming | any progress would be good to know for the team | 13:15 |
| Qiming | not just the final result | 13:15 |
| Qiming | the LB side, what's the status of the bug? | 13:16 |
| lixinhui_ | will yanyan or eldon can get the deployment document from china mobile? | 13:16 |
| Qiming | eldon is from china mobile | 13:16 |
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| Qiming | you can just ask for this doc for sharing, if there is such a doc | 13:16 |
| lixinhui_ | you guys have a talk on this | 13:16 |
| Qiming | it is not secret | 13:16 |
| lixinhui_ | for summit | 13:17 |
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| Qiming | we didn't | 13:17 |
| Qiming | we don't have any prep on that yet | 13:17 |
| lixinhui_ | then can not put this into schedule | 13:18 |
| lixinhui_ | will need more time to prepare | 13:18 |
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| Qiming | just like the cluster do, we don't have implementation there | 13:18 |
| lixinhui_ | if I got this test bed, only one week maybe | 13:18 |
| lixinhui_ | for us | 13:18 |
| Qiming | correct? | 13:18 |
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| lixinhui_ | deadline for the test bed is end of July | 13:18 |
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| Qiming | okay ... | 13:18 |
| lixinhui_ | maybe eldon is the proper name for the scalability tests | 13:19 |
| lixinhui_ | at least, he can summarize all the configs of china mobile | 13:19 |
| lixinhui_ | as the first step | 13:19 |
| Qiming | can we do some perf test if we cannot get physical machines? | 13:20 |
| lixinhui_ | do you agree | 13:20 |
| lixinhui_ | ? | 13:20 |
| Qiming | yes sure | 13:20 |
| Qiming | could have changed the name to someone else | 13:20 |
| Qiming | the item has been there for quite some time | 13:20 |
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| lixinhui_ | okay | 13:20 |
| lixinhui_ | if we have the first doc | 13:20 |
| Qiming | if priority is not high, we can move it back to TODO.rst | 13:20 |
| lixinhui_ | then we can run further tests to reproduce or optimize | 13:21 |
| Qiming | I see now | 13:21 |
| lixinhui_ | seems 600 or 800 nodes | 13:21 |
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| lixinhui_ | in china mobile's cloud | 13:21 |
| lixinhui_ | right? | 13:21 |
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| Qiming | I said I don't know | 13:21 |
| lixinhui_ | ok | 13:21 |
| lixinhui_ | let it go | 13:21 |
| lixinhui_ | just trying to know more information about it | 13:22 |
| Qiming | you can either contact eldon | 13:22 |
| Qiming | or you can ask yanyan to do the communication | 13:22 |
| Qiming | whatever | 13:22 |
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| lixinhui_ | let it go | 13:22 |
| Qiming | moving on | 13:22 |
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| Qiming | the health management topic | 13:23 |
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| Qiming | no comment on the etherpad during the past weeks | 13:23 |
| Qiming | fine | 13:23 |
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| lixinhui_ | the bug is reviewed | 13:23 |
| Qiming | LBaaS bug | 13:23 |
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| Qiming | marked as incomplete | 13:23 |
| lixinhui_ | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/325624/ | 13:24 |
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| lixinhui_ | Stephen hope to add tests | 13:24 |
| lixinhui_ | but feel no tests need to add if we follow the original flavor | 13:25 |
| Qiming | finally someone is reviewing it | 13:25 |
| lixinhui_ | enen | 13:25 |
| Qiming | then argue with the reviewer | 13:25 |
| lixinhui_ | but if he reviewed the code really, he will know now test should be added | 13:25 |
| Qiming | try convince him/her that a test is not necessary | 13:25 |
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| Qiming | still I agree to the reviewer that some tests would be good | 13:27 |
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| Qiming | e.g. make sure BasePoolManager is a subclass of driver_mixins.BaseStatusMixin | 13:27 |
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| lixinhui_ | sounds reasonable | 13:27 |
| Qiming | if, for some reasons, this subclassing is changed in future, your tests there will detect it | 13:27 |
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| Qiming | pls continue work with those guys to get the bug fixed | 13:28 |
| lixinhui_ | there is no test for original BasePoolManager even | 13:28 |
| * Qiming is still wondering why that bug is marked incomplete | 13:28 | |
| Qiming | then you can add one | 13:28 |
| Qiming | it is just a few lines code | 13:29 |
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| lixinhui_ | then someone review to suggest add more tests | 13:29 |
| lixinhui_ | ... | 13:29 |
| lixinhui_ | for the whole functions | 13:29 |
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| lixinhui_ | anyway | 13:29 |
| Qiming | some times, people get picky when reviewing code ... | 13:29 |
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| lixinhui_ | we can try if anything helpful | 13:29 |
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| Qiming | if it is not relevant to your patch, you can tell the reviewers why a separate patch is needed to cover all those functions | 13:30 |
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| Qiming | moving on | 13:31 |
| lixinhui_ | :) | 13:31 |
| Qiming | fencing code | 13:31 |
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| Qiming | we don't have anything to commit into our code base? | 13:31 |
| lixinhui_ | let us do thing one by one | 13:32 |
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| lixinhui_ | no much progress on this | 13:32 |
| Qiming | okay, moving on | 13:32 |
| Qiming | no update from me on documentation | 13:33 |
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| Qiming | haiwei is online? | 13:33 |
| haiwei_ | yes | 13:33 |
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| Qiming | hi | 13:33 |
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| Qiming | posted some comments to your etherpad | 13:33 |
| haiwei_ | hi, saw your comment on the ether pad | 13:33 |
| haiwei_ | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/senlin-container-cluster-issues | 13:34 |
| Qiming | any more questions? | 13:34 |
| Qiming | okay | 13:34 |
| haiwei_ | I commented it below | 13:34 |
| Qiming | if you have many nova servers created in a single heat stack | 13:34 |
| Qiming | that heat stack is not designed for this purpose | 13:35 |
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| haiwei_ | ok | 13:35 |
| Qiming | we cannot force people to write a heat template in a particular way | 13:35 |
| Qiming | but we can say that we only accept a template that has a single ip_address output | 13:35 |
| haiwei_ | make sense | 13:36 |
| Qiming | if your template looks that way, senlin can somehow treat it as a "virtual" nova server | 13:36 |
| Qiming | "virtual" <=> "conceptual" | 13:36 |
| Qiming | I don't know much about ip namespace | 13:36 |
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| Qiming | in my simple deployment, I am not using namespace | 13:37 |
| Qiming | I can ssh to each and every nova servers I created | 13:37 |
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| Qiming | it really depends on the network configuration you are using | 13:37 |
| Qiming | so ... I think it is not a senlin-specific problem | 13:38 |
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| Qiming | we don't have to worry about it too much | 13:38 |
| haiwei_ | for example, when you want to ssh to a nova server by private ip address, you need to specify namespace to do it, right? | 13:38 |
| Qiming | no | 13:38 |
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| Qiming | I don't have to | 13:38 |
| Qiming | just 'ssh cirros@10.0.0.2', for example | 13:38 |
| haiwei_ | that will work? | 13:39 |
| Qiming | yes | 13:39 |
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| Qiming | if you have complicated network setting, things may become not so straightforward | 13:39 |
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| Qiming | but still, you will have a way to do that | 13:39 |
| Qiming | let's assume the basics | 13:40 |
| Qiming | I can find a email thread on this for you | 13:40 |
| Qiming | it is not a problem specific to senlin | 13:40 |
| haiwei_ | ok, I will investigate it to see in which case we need nameapace | 13:40 |
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| Qiming | ... | 13:40 |
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| Qiming | I'd assume we don't need a namespace and continue innovate our solution, ;) | 13:41 |
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| Qiming | but anyway, it is up to you | 13:41 |
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| haiwei_ | I will test in your way | 13:41 |
| Qiming | okay | 13:41 |
| Qiming | ping me if helps needed | 13:42 |
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| Qiming | moving on | 13:42 |
| Qiming | engine rework for NODE_CREATE/NODE_DELETE | 13:42 |
| Qiming | this item was wrong | 13:42 |
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| Qiming | when I started walking through the code of those actions | 13:42 |
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| Qiming | I noticed that policy checking are also on those paths | 13:42 |
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| Qiming | so it is a matter of checking which policy should be impoved to handle NODE_CREATE/NODE_DELETE | 13:43 |
| Qiming | rather than rework the action logic | 13:43 |
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| Qiming | I'm revising the work item and I'll start check each policy and see how they impact these two actions | 13:43 |
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| Qiming | moving on | 13:44 |
| Qiming | the zaqar receiver work | 13:45 |
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| Qiming | yanyan has been pushing hard at the sdk side | 13:45 |
| qwebirc33749 | Hi | 13:45 |
| Qiming | hi, qwebirc33749 | 13:45 |
| qwebirc33749 | Not able to login for https://review.openstack.org | 13:45 |
| Qiming | their api doc is a little bit unstable | 13:46 |
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| Qiming | hopefully things can be improved soon | 13:46 |
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| Qiming | we have a zaqar basic driver merged now | 13:46 |
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| Qiming | event/notifications generalization | 13:46 |
| Qiming | em ... no progress from me on this either | 13:46 |
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| lixinhui_ | Qiming | 13:47 |
| Qiming | I'm even wondering if we can finish it by newton-3 | 13:47 |
| lixinhui_ | I have one question | 13:47 |
| Qiming | yes? | 13:47 |
| lixinhui_ | about listener | 13:47 |
| lixinhui_ | of vm-lifecyle-event | 13:47 |
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| lixinhui_ | today I configured nova but got nothing from health_manager | 13:48 |
| Qiming | moving on to the last few lines | 13:48 |
| Qiming | proposal are all submitted | 13:48 |
| Qiming | deleting those lines | 13:48 |
| lixinhui_ | I should propose this question on open disucssion | 13:48 |
| Qiming | what do you mean you 'configured nova'? | 13:49 |
| lixinhui_ | enable nova notification | 13:49 |
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| Qiming | have you cross-verified with ceilometer? | 13:49 |
| lixinhui_ | then attach health policy with the cluster | 13:49 |
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| lixinhui_ | I saw nova print the notifications out in n-cpu.log | 13:50 |
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| Qiming | can you try a script that monitors the message queue and see if you can get any notification there? | 13:50 |
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| lixinhui_ | i just tried health manager | 13:51 |
| lixinhui_ | even I put the filter to quiet common rule, still nothing to get | 13:52 |
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| Qiming | so? | 13:52 |
| lixinhui_ | so I wanna know if the filter is not right for new oslo.messging versio | 13:52 |
| Qiming | what's your filter look like? | 13:52 |
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| Qiming | do you have a simple script watching the message queue? | 13:53 |
| Qiming | to isolate problems between components | 13:53 |
| lixinhui_ | never try that before | 13:54 |
| lixinhui_ | it will be nice if you can share me one | 13:54 |
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| Qiming | it worth trying | 13:54 |
| lixinhui_ | or I will try to work out one tomorrow | 13:54 |
| Qiming | okay | 13:54 |
| Qiming | still one thing on agenda | 13:54 |
| Qiming | but ... I don't think we have time for it today | 13:54 |
| Qiming | it is about senlin delieverables for newton release | 13:55 |
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| Qiming | we still have one milestone (newton-3) to cut the release | 13:55 |
| Qiming | team please push your patches if you want them to be part of this 2.0 version | 13:56 |
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| Qiming | for example, we planned to do policy-validate, profile-validate, but we haven't touched that yet | 13:56 |
| Qiming | we may have to postpone that to next release I guess | 13:57 |
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| Qiming | the cluster-collect and cluster-do apis are not yet completed, due to lazy reviews in openstacksdk | 13:58 |
| Qiming | sigh . | 13:58 |
| Qiming | we are introducing micro-versioning only to block our own progress | 13:59 |
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| Qiming | anyway | 13:59 |
| Qiming | thank you all for joining today | 13:59 |
| Qiming | we are running out of time | 14:00 |
| Qiming | #endmeeting | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jul 19 14:00:06 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/senlin/2016/senlin.2016-07-19-13.00.html | 14:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/senlin/2016/senlin.2016-07-19-13.00.txt | 14:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/senlin/2016/senlin.2016-07-19-13.00.log.html | 14:00 |
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| ihrachys | #startmeeting networking | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jul 19 14:00:26 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ihrachys. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking' | 14:00 |
| ihrachys | hello neutrinos | 14:00 |
| dasm | o/ | 14:00 |
| mlavalle | o/ | 14:00 |
| hichihara | hi | 14:00 |
| ivc_ | o/ | 14:00 |
| HenryG | o/ | 14:00 |
| amuller | hiya | 14:00 |
| njohnston | joyous ${localtime}, all | 14:00 |
| yamahata | hello | 14:00 |
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| bcafarel | howdy | 14:00 |
| annp | Hi | 14:01 |
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| john-davidge | o/ | 14:01 |
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| ihrachys | the agenda for today is... | 14:02 |
| ihrachys | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Network/Meetings | 14:02 |
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| ihrachys | #topic Announcements | 14:02 |
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| ihrachys | as you know, we are past N2 now | 14:02 |
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| ihrachys | #link http://releases.openstack.org/newton/schedule.html | 14:02 |
| ihrachys | N-3 is the end of Aug | 14:02 |
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| ihrachys | note that libraries are freezed at around that same time. so if your feature has a library piece (neutron-lib, client, ...) please make sure you land it in time | 14:03 |
| ihrachys | otherwise you risk to slip into O | 14:03 |
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| HenryG | Well, for neutron-lib it's a bit different ... | 14:04 |
| ihrachys | HenryG: I don't think so: requirements are frozen too | 14:04 |
| HenryG | You can carry a local copy of code until the neutron-lib catches up, is what I mean. | 14:04 |
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| ihrachys | yeah, sure. since it's our own child, we can make a shortcut. | 14:05 |
| HenryG | Just saying that neutron-lib should not hold anyone up. | 14:05 |
| ihrachys | thanks for clarification, it's useful | 14:05 |
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| ihrachys | one more announcement: we seem to get into high time for bike shedding and yak shaving | 14:06 |
| ihrachys | some of you may have received next release naming voting invitations, please check the mailbox and vote | 14:06 |
| ihrachys | and also, neutron is picking a mascot for the team | 14:06 |
| ihrachys | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-July/099281.html | 14:06 |
| ihrachys | there, you will find instructions and a link to an etherpad with votes. | 14:07 |
| HenryG | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-project-mascot | 14:07 |
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| ihrachys | everyone has a chance to propose something original, like some already did | 14:07 |
| * ihrachys looks at line 60) | 14:07 | |
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| * john-davidge wonders if line 60 is safe to google | 14:08 | |
| ihrachys | finally, a reminder we have a midcycle in August in Cork | 14:08 |
| dasm | john-davidge: yes, it is. checked :) | 14:08 |
| mlavalle | the mid-cycle etherpad is here: | 14:08 |
| mlavalle | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-neutron-midcycle | 14:08 |
| * ihrachys bows to mlavalle and HenryG for helping me with links | 14:08 | |
| mlavalle | LOL | 14:09 |
| ihrachys | #link Blueprints | 14:09 |
| ihrachys | the current targeted bps are at: | 14:09 |
| ihrachys | #link https://launchpad.net/neutron/+milestone/newton-3 | 14:09 |
| ihrachys | we won't go thru them today. | 14:09 |
| amotoki | s/link/topic/? | 14:09 |
| ihrachys | #topic Blueprints | 14:09 |
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| ihrachys | #link https://launchpad.net/neutron/+milestone/newton-3 | 14:10 |
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| ihrachys | assignees and approvers, make sure whiteboards are up to date | 14:10 |
| ihrachys | so that both the state of specs and patches are reflected there. | 14:10 |
| ihrachys | #topic Bugs and Gate failures | 14:10 |
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| ihrachys | blogan was the deputy the previous week. | 14:11 |
| ihrachys | blogan: would you mind giving a brief status update? | 14:11 |
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| blogan | the only thing pertinent now is a bug amuller reported | 14:11 |
| blogan | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1604115 | 14:11 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1604115 in neutron "test_cleanup_stale_devices functional test sporadic failures" [Medium,Confirmed] | 14:11 |
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| amuller | I added some info there | 14:12 |
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| blogan | other than that, i didn't get t some bugs yesterday, so i can help mlavalle out with those if needed bc he's next deputy | 14:12 |
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| mlavalle | I am ready to go. Thanks! | 14:13 |
| ihrachys | amuller: thanks. do we have candidates to explore the failure further? | 14:13 |
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| ihrachys | blogan: yes, please talk to mlavalle to make sure nothing cracks in | 14:13 |
| amuller | ihrachys: I don't think anyone volunteered yet :) I was thinking of adding a wait_until for the assertion of the number of devices, merging that and monitoring that test's failure rate, I suspect it will go to 0 | 14:14 |
| ihrachys | amuller: ok, let's see if someone picks it up in due time | 14:15 |
| ihrachys | there is another high impact gate failure right now, in grenade multinode | 14:15 |
| ihrachys | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1603268 | 14:15 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1603268 in neutron "Unstable grenade multinode job" [Critical,In progress] - Assigned to Ihar Hrachyshka (ihar-hrachyshka) | 14:15 |
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| ihrachys | the patch to unravel it is not in neutron though | 14:15 |
| ihrachys | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/343024/ | 14:15 |
| ihrachys | so we need to pull in devstack-gate/devstack cores to get the fix in the gate. | 14:16 |
| ihrachys | I was thinking of sc68cal and garyk | 14:16 |
| sc68cal | devstack-gate 's cores are separate from devstack | 14:16 |
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| sc68cal | there is some overlap but I'm not core for d-g | 14:16 |
| ihrachys | ack. that said, devstack-gate piece is already +W | 14:17 |
| ihrachys | so it's now a matter of devstack (with stable branches) | 14:17 |
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| sc68cal | ok, I'll do my bit on the devstack side | 14:17 |
| ihrachys | I personally don't have devstack stable +2 vote, so I can't help much | 14:18 |
| ihrachys | sc68cal: thanks | 14:18 |
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| ihrachys | we need a bug deputy volunteer for the next week | 14:18 |
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| john-davidge | ihrachys: which date? | 14:19 |
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| ihrachys | the week starting on July 25. | 14:19 |
| mlavalle | one week from now | 14:19 |
| jlibosva | I can volunteer | 14:19 |
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| ihrachys | jlibosva: sold! :) please update the wiki page to include your name in the corresponding section | 14:20 |
| jlibosva | will do | 14:20 |
| ihrachys | if there are more volunteers for the week after that, please speak up, otherwise we'll pick on the next meeting. | 14:21 |
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| ihrachys | thanks to all bug deputies for serving the duty | 14:21 |
| ihrachys | #topic Docs | 14:21 |
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| ihrachys | anyone to give an update on docs? | 14:21 |
| HenryG | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-July/099558.html | 14:21 |
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| ihrachys | amotoki: which dates do you have in mind for the sprint? | 14:22 |
| HenryG | Hot off the press. :) | 14:22 |
| amotoki | thanks HenryG. | 14:22 |
| amotoki | I haven't set a specific period for the virtual sprint, but I would like to complete the sprint by Newton-3 milestone. | 14:22 |
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| amotoki | we'd like to encourage folks to join the effort. | 14:23 |
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| ihrachys | amotoki: aren't picking specific dates when folks can justify their focus on the topic an essence of a sprint? | 14:23 |
| * njohnston would like to join if it doesn't overlap with his PTO | 14:23 | |
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| amotoki | ihrachys: we can set some date on the virtual sprint, but i think we need to coordinate it with other events. | 14:24 |
| ihrachys | amotoki: yeah. midcycles come to mind. so probably it's worth exploring the events calendar to see where we have a hole | 14:25 |
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| amotoki | let me check other events. N-2 has been over, the mid-cycles are coming. | 14:25 |
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| ihrachys | amotoki: ok. please update the openstack-dev@ thread with your findings. | 14:26 |
| ihrachys | amotoki: speaking of api-ref, where does https://github.com/openstack/neutron-specs/tree/master/misc/api fit in the docs story? | 14:26 |
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| amotoki | i think it is not linked from anywhere. | 14:27 |
| amotoki | is anybody maintaining it? | 14:27 |
| ihrachys | right. but it still contains some valuable info that is not found in other places. | 14:27 |
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| amotoki | ihrachys: agree. i think it is better to merge them into neutron-lib api-ref. | 14:27 |
| ihrachys | so maybe it's worth looking at that tree to see what can be moved to a more visible place, and nuke all remainings. | 14:27 |
| ihrachys | for one, that is the only place documenting sorting/pagination behaviour | 14:28 |
| HenryG | +1 for merging into api-ref, assuming api-ref is flexible enough to add examples and other notes. | 14:29 |
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| ihrachys | amotoki: and thanks for organizing the sprint | 14:29 |
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| ihrachys | #topic Transition to OSC | 14:29 |
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| ihrachys | amotoki: how does the progress look like? | 14:30 |
| amotoki | the base OSC plugin has been merged | 14:30 |
| amotoki | and BGP stuff patch is under review. | 14:30 |
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| amotoki | I am preparing VPN stuff now to refresh my memory. | 14:31 |
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| amotoki | is anybody working on LBaaS stuff? | 14:31 |
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| ihrachys | dougwig: blogan: ^ is it on lbaas radar? | 14:32 |
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| ihrachys | I wonder how it plays with the plan to deprecate v2 and switch to octavia :) | 14:32 |
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| amotoki | same thinking too. I wonder we can implement LBaaS stuff in OSC plugin even though we switch to octavia. | 14:33 |
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| blogan | ihrachys: i would say its on the fringe of the lbaas radar | 14:34 |
| amotoki | we can move lbaas commands later, but it is worth well coordinated. | 14:34 |
| ihrachys | blogan: meaning, you are aware but better spend time for other things? :) | 14:35 |
| njohnston | For FWaaS, we talked about it at the last FWaaS meeting, and there was a lot of interest in helping. I looked at the openstack client plugin docs, but a working example would be really helpful to look at as well. | 14:35 |
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| ihrachys | ok, let's move on | 14:36 |
| amotoki | njohnston: good to hear that. I will share my experienece on vpn stuff. | 14:36 |
| ihrachys | #topic Moving to Keystone v3 API in Neutron | 14:36 |
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| ihrachys | dasm: your stage | 14:36 |
| njohnston | amotoki: Thanks! | 14:36 |
| dasm | o/ | 14:36 |
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| dasm | HenryG prepared etherpad with list of all stadium projects that need to be updated: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-stadium-tenant2project | 14:36 |
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| dasm | "updated" in terms: prepare all migrations | 14:36 |
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| dasm | couple of subprojects have already patches in queue. other need to be revised and sent | 14:37 |
| ihrachys | dasm: does it mean they will be forced to land transition scripts to unbreak their gates? | 14:37 |
| dasm | if something is missing, feel free to update. | 14:37 |
| amotoki | dasm: one question. some patches in subprojects depend on the neutron patch and some do not. | 14:38 |
| dasm | ihrachys: i need to confirm with HenryG and armax, how depends-on should look. But in general, everything will land in the same time, or very close timeframe | 14:38 |
| amotoki | dasm: what is your suggestion? | 14:38 |
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| HenryG | I think we can make the neutron patch depend on the stadium patches | 14:38 |
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| HenryG | That will need to be followed by a cleanup of the local temporary HasTenant() functions, but it means there will be minimal breakage. | 14:39 |
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| amotoki | so, do we first merge all subproject patches and then merge the neutron patches? | 14:40 |
| HenryG | yes, that is my suggestion | 14:40 |
| ihrachys | HenryG: doesn't common_db_mixin use tenant_id field to determine permissions for a resource? in which case, landing a stadium patch before neutron would break the check for them. | 14:40 |
| dasm | amotoki: yes. and at the end, clean temporary changes introduced for subprojects | 14:40 |
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| HenryG | ihrachys: that is covered by the sqlalchemy synonym for tenant_id/project_id. | 14:41 |
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| amotoki | an example is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/341279/1/neutron_lbaas/db/loadbalancer/models.py | 14:42 |
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| amotoki | it provides both tenant_id and project_id | 14:42 |
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| dasm | yes. under the hood, database has just "project_id" column, but from sqlalchemy point of view, data can be reached by both: tenant/project | 14:42 |
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| ihrachys | I guess we could not find a way to handle models with the actual tenant_id field. | 14:43 |
| ihrachys | not a synonym | 14:43 |
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| dasm | ihrachys: it was suggested by zzzeek | 14:43 |
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| ihrachys | dasm: it == ? | 14:44 |
| dasm | ihrachys: it == synonym solution. | 14:44 |
| ihrachys | that's a good solution, but as we see, we still break out of tree code, so maybe we needed both the synonym and some boilercode in common_db_mixin to handle the actual tenant_id attribute. but I guess subprojects are doomed to suffer. :) | 14:46 |
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| ihrachys | ok, let's move on | 14:46 |
| ihrachys | #topic Neutron-lib | 14:46 |
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| ihrachys | HenryG: where are we at with the library? | 14:46 |
| HenryG | It is trundling along. Needs more reviewers. | 14:47 |
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| HenryG | The current big blob proposed to move into lib is common_db_mixin | 14:47 |
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| HenryG | https://review.openstack.org/337731 | 14:48 |
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| HenryG | oops, wrong link | 14:48 |
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| HenryG | https://review.openstack.org/339875 | 14:49 |
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| ihrachys | it's basically copy-paste from neutron right? | 14:50 |
| HenryG | Yes, plus a lot of extra test cases for 100% coverage | 14:51 |
| ihrachys | coverage is good. note that we basically expose db internals into the library. | 14:51 |
| ihrachys | so next time we need to influence the model_query behaviour in some way, we will have a hard time to | 14:51 |
| HenryG | I hope to refactor some things in it before it is consumed by neutron | 14:52 |
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| ihrachys | I would go as far as saying that subprojects should not be entitled to have direct access to queries, but that's probably not a widely accepted view | 14:52 |
| HenryG | I would love to have that discussion | 14:52 |
| ihrachys | ok, let's proceed in the review. | 14:53 |
| ihrachys | everyone on the core team, please listen to your PTL and start reviewing neutron-lib as you do for neutron repo | 14:53 |
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| ihrachys | (and not only on the core team, everyone is encouraged) | 14:54 |
| ihrachys | #topic On Demand Agenda | 14:54 |
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| ihrachys | I see "Feature Classification Framework/Matrix" from ankur-gupta-f on the list. | 14:54 |
| ihrachys | but I thought it was discussed before, wasn't it? | 14:54 |
| HenryG | We need https://review.openstack.org/337698 approved for rossella_s 's dashboard | 14:54 |
| HenryG | (sorry) | 14:54 |
| dasm | ihrachys it was discussed last week. | 14:54 |
| dasm | ihrachys: main outcome was: more reviews :) | 14:55 |
| ihrachys | dasm: ack | 14:55 |
| ihrachys | HenryG: probably infra should be nudged | 14:55 |
| rossella_s | indeed | 14:55 |
| ihrachys | ok, I have another topic for the last 5 mins | 14:55 |
| ihrachys | some weeks ago I sent an email describing the new stable process emerging in neutron: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-June/098552.html | 14:56 |
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| ihrachys | there were some questions/actionable items for people on the team | 14:56 |
| ihrachys | there were no replies though :) | 14:56 |
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| ihrachys | basically, the idea is to do 'proactive backports', and get more involvement in the process from 'topic' subteams | 14:57 |
| ihrachys | basically, make subteams (like qos, l3, or upgrades) to take some responsibility to provide backports for their spheres of influence | 14:57 |
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| ihrachys | armax also gave an idea that we should have a stable deputy role similar to bug deputy, for a person that would supervise the effort, making sure backports are produced in timely manner. | 14:58 |
| ihrachys | first candidates for the role would be neutron-stable-maint members, but everyone would be encouraged to help, same as for bugs | 14:59 |
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| hichihara | Is it related to bug contact? http://docs.openstack.org/developer/neutron/policies/bugs.html#proposing-new-tags | 14:59 |
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| ihrachys | sadly, we don't have much time to reflect on that right now, so consider it an ask to read thru the email and follow up on devref updates, since we will probably run the idea in gerrit. | 14:59 |
| dasm | we're running out of time | 14:59 |
| amotoki | #link http://docs.openstack.org/project-team-guide/stable-branches.html#proactive-backports | 15:00 |
| ihrachys | hichihara: it is not, it's a separate process. | 15:00 |
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| ihrachys | amotoki: thanks | 15:00 |
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| ihrachys | dasm: indeed. | 15:00 |
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| ihrachys | thanks everyone! keep up the good work! | 15:00 |
| hichihara | ihrachys: I got it | 15:00 |
| ihrachys | #endmeeting | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 15:00 | |
| dasm | thank you | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jul 19 15:00:31 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2016/networking.2016-07-19-14.00.html | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2016/networking.2016-07-19-14.00.txt | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2016/networking.2016-07-19-14.00.log.html | 15:00 |
| HenryG | thanks ihrachys | 15:00 |
| njohnston | thanks! | 15:00 |
| amotoki | thanks! | 15:00 |
| mlavalle | bye | 15:00 |
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| hichihara | bye | 15:00 |
| namnh | Bye | 15:00 |
| annp | bye | 15:00 |
| yamamoto | byw | 15:00 |
| blogan | have a good one ihrachys | 15:00 |
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| carl_baldwin | Hi | 15:02 |
| mlavalle | o/ | 15:02 |
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| carl_baldwin | I need to have a very quick meeting today. | 15:02 |
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| mlavalle | traveling to the Nova mid-cycle? | 15:02 |
| john-davidge | o/ | 15:02 |
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| jlibosva | bye | 15:02 |
| carl_baldwin | mlavalle: Yup, and running behind. :) | 15:03 |
| carl_baldwin | #startmeeting neutron_routed_networks | 15:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jul 19 15:03:09 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is carl_baldwin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: neutron_routed_networks)" | 15:03 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_routed_networks' | 15:03 |
| carl_baldwin | #topic Announcements | 15:03 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: neutron_routed_networks)" | 15:03 | |
| carl_baldwin | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/routed-provider-networks-notes | 15:03 |
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| blogan | hi | 15:03 |
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| carl_baldwin | Any announcements for the team? | 15:04 |
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| mlavalle | let's move on | 15:04 |
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| carl_baldwin | #topic Open Discussion | 15:04 |
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| carl_baldwin | Let's just go straight in to this and do an on-demand agendae | 15:05 |
| carl_baldwin | *agenda | 15:05 |
| mlavalle | ++ | 15:05 |
| carl_baldwin | I'm getting really close to having something to merge in Nova. | 15:05 |
| carl_baldwin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/299591/ | 15:05 |
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| blogan | i need reviews on this guy: | 15:06 |
| blogan | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/339365/ | 15:06 |
| carl_baldwin | I marked it as WIP because Neutron allows updating host binding on a port with IPs that aren't usable on that host. | 15:06 |
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| john-davidge | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/337851 for subnet service types has a new patchset for review | 15:06 |
| carl_baldwin | blogan: ack I'll take a look. | 15:06 |
| blogan | carl_baldwin: thanks | 15:06 |
| john-davidge | It currently has a -1 from jenkins but the recheck should clear it | 15:07 |
| mlavalle | blogan: I will go over it again | 15:07 |
| blogan | mlavalle: hopefully you don't find anything as egregious as the first time :) | 15:07 |
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| carl_baldwin | john-davidge: thanks I started looking yesterday but will finish soon. | 15:07 |
| mlavalle | It wasn't egregious and I am pretty sure I won't | 15:07 |
| john-davidge | carl_baldwin: Thanks | 15:08 |
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| mlavalle | On the nova scheduler integration front I already have a functional python-client for the placement api: https://github.com/miguellavalle/python-placementclient/tree/adding-grp-support | 15:10 |
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| mlavalle | I am keeping it in my github for the time being until cdent tells me where to place it permanently | 15:10 |
| carl_baldwin | mlavalle: Ah, cool. Have you had any feedback from cdent? | 15:11 |
| mlavalle | With it I am uncovering bugs in the generic resource pools that I am communicating to the team | 15:11 |
| mlavalle | Yes, he is happy about it. we are communicating through his patchset in gerrit | 15:11 |
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| carl_baldwin | mlavalle: great | 15:12 |
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| mlavalle | And based on this, I will start a prototype on the Neutron side of the interaction with the generic resource pools api | 15:12 |
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| mlavalle | I am looking to start itthis week | 15:12 |
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| carl_baldwin | mlavalle: Very good progress. | 15:14 |
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| mlavalle | for the sake of time, I'll shut up now | 15:14 |
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| carl_baldwin | Keep asking for reviews when you have something ready. | 15:15 |
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| carl_baldwin | Also keep an eye on the gerrit topic. | 15:16 |
| carl_baldwin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+topic:bp/routed-networks | 15:16 |
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| carl_baldwin | Anything else? | 15:17 |
| carl_baldwin | Keep up the good work! | 15:18 |
| mlavalle | carl_baldwin: have a nice and safe trip | 15:18 |
| carl_baldwin | mlavalle: Thanks | 15:18 |
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| carl_baldwin | #endmeeting | 15:18 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jul 19 15:18:37 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:18 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_routed_networks/2016/neutron_routed_networks.2016-07-19-15.03.html | 15:18 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_routed_networks/2016/neutron_routed_networks.2016-07-19-15.03.txt | 15:18 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_routed_networks/2016/neutron_routed_networks.2016-07-19-15.03.log.html | 15:18 |
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| sridhar_ram | #startmeeting tacker | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jul 19 16:00:44 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sridhar_ram. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tacker' | 16:00 |
| sridhar_ram | #topic Roll Call | 16:00 |
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| KanagarajM | hi | 16:00 |
| anshukch | o/ | 16:01 |
| s3wong | o/ | 16:01 |
| janki | o/ | 16:01 |
| dkushwaha | o/ | 16:01 |
| neel | o/ | 16:01 |
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| tung_doan | hi all | 16:01 |
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| vishwanathj | o/ | 16:01 |
| sripriya | o/ | 16:01 |
| sridhar_ram | howdy folks! let's start... | 16:01 |
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| sridhar_ram | #topic Agenda | 16:02 |
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| sridhar_ram | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Tacker | 16:02 |
| sridhar_ram | packed agenda.. | 16:02 |
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| sridhar_ram | #topic Annoucements | 16:02 |
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| KanagarajM | sridhar_ram, shall we discuss the current items first, I saw today's meeting agenda, its big :) | 16:02 |
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| sridhar_ram | KanagarajM: yes, planning to take the items in flight first.. | 16:03 |
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| sridhar_ram | back to annoucements.. | 16:04 |
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| sridhar_ram | Since we are meeting next week for midcycle meetup.. | 16:04 |
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| sridhar_ram | #info No weekly meeting next week, on July 29th | 16:04 |
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| sridhar_ram | Newton Feature Freeze is coming close - Aug 29th, just 7-weeks away | 16:05 |
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| sridhar_ram | #link http://releases.openstack.org/newton/schedule.html | 16:05 |
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| sridhar_ram | all features and RFEs need to merge by that date | 16:06 |
| sridhar_ram | only bug fixes and integrations issues can be addressed after that.. | 16:06 |
| sridhar_ram | Please get your patchsets for specs and RFEs to post as soon as possible... | 16:07 |
| sridhar_ram | we have a busy review cycle upon us.. | 16:07 |
| sridhar_ram | #topic Project Mascot | 16:07 |
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| sridhar_ram | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-July/099507.html | 16:08 |
| sridhar_ram | We need to pick an animal mascot for Tacker project.. | 16:08 |
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| sridhar_ram | here is the etherpad to collect inputs.. | 16:08 |
| sridhar_ram | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tacker-mascot | 16:08 |
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| janki | an animal is a must? | 16:09 |
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| dkushwaha | janki, +1 | 16:09 |
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| sridhar_ram | janki: it can be anything from the natural world | 16:09 |
| KanagarajM | i like this idea :) | 16:09 |
| sridhar_ram | animal is the popular choice | 16:10 |
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| sridhar_ram | there is an interesting option in the etherpad to use a Squid.. | 16:10 |
| KanagarajM | i think only heat had some sort of logo earlier. good to have for all | 16:10 |
| janki | I had an idea (shared on ehterpad) but it doesnot have animal/natural thing | 16:10 |
| janki | Ya, squid is nice one | 16:10 |
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| sridhar_ram | few of us created this earlier for Tacker (with some professional help), | 16:11 |
| sridhar_ram | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/w/images/2/21/Squid_rev7.jpg | 16:11 |
| sridhar_ram | how does this look ? | 16:11 |
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| janki | sridhar_ram: +1, its really cool | 16:11 |
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| s3wong | sridhar_ram: nice! | 16:12 |
| sridhar_ram | again, openstack logo team will rework this to make it something that is identifies it as openstack project.. | 16:12 |
| manikanta_tadi | any significance for containers in one of the tentecle | 16:12 |
| sridhar_ram | janki: s3wong: thanks! | 16:12 |
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| sridhar_ram | manikanta_tadi: Tacker eventually orchestrating VNFC in Containers | 16:12 |
| sridhar_ram | hopefully we get there sooner with integration with projects like Magnum & Zun/Higgins | 16:13 |
| sridhar_ram | please leave ur comments in etherpad.. | 16:13 |
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| sridhar_ram | moving on.. | 16:13 |
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| sridhar_ram | #topic VNF Scaling | 16:13 |
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| sridhar_ram | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+branch:master+topic:tacker-scaling | 16:14 |
| sridhar_ram | KanagarajM: over to you | 16:14 |
| KanagarajM | this current patch set have the end-end functioanlity | 16:14 |
| KanagarajM | sridhar_ram, would be great if we could get cores time on these patches | 16:15 |
| sridhar_ram | KanagarajM: sure | 16:15 |
| KanagarajM | hopefully this week or early next week we could target to merge them | 16:15 |
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| sridhar_ram | cores: please help to land this by early next week | 16:16 |
| KanagarajM | sridhar_ram, thanks. | 16:16 |
| KanagarajM | sridhar_ram, i will land the doc patches sooner | 16:16 |
| KanagarajM | for the scaling | 16:17 |
| sridhar_ram | KanagarajM: I'm pulling the patchset to try.. now, how do you typically trigger the scaling to test ? | 16:17 |
| KanagarajM | please pull both cli and server patches | 16:17 |
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| KanagarajM | and it should work simply by using the tacke vnf-scale cli | 16:17 |
| sridhar_ram | KanagarajM: okay... | 16:18 |
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| KanagarajM | there are two samples, and one with unit testing would be simple to test | 16:18 |
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| sridhar_ram | sounds good | 16:18 |
| sridhar_ram | any questions on vnf-scaling ? | 16:18 |
| sridhar_ram | *any other | 16:18 |
| KanagarajM | i will and the patch for functional test once client patch get merged | 16:19 |
| KanagarajM | land* | 16:19 |
| sridhar_ram | KanagarajM: we might need to make a client release w/ scaling changes ? | 16:19 |
| KanagarajM | sridhar_ram, yes. i feel so | 16:19 |
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| sridhar_ram | VNFFG will bring in slew of client changes.. not sure if we can club both into one release | 16:20 |
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| sridhar_ram | i'll take up the client release part | 16:21 |
| janki | VNFFG is targeted for Newton release? | 16:21 |
| sridhar_ram | janki: yes! | 16:21 |
| KanagarajM | sridhar_ram, sure. but i feel it might delay the functional test. but i feel its ok | 16:21 |
| janki | sridhar_ram: cool | 16:21 |
| sridhar_ram | let's briefly discuss other things in the pipeline.. | 16:21 |
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| sridhar_ram | apologies for impromptu change.. | 16:22 |
| KanagarajM | sridhar_ram, i will try to keep the patch ready, so that once the client rlease is done, we could take immediate action on functioanl test patch | 16:22 |
| sridhar_ram | KanagarajM: perfect! | 16:22 |
| sridhar_ram | KanagarajM: thanks a lot ! couldn't be happier how vnf-scaling has come together | 16:22 |
| sridhar_ram | #topic VNFFG-AlarmMon-Status | 16:23 |
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| sridhar_ram | tung_doan: do you've an idea when you might be able to post the alarm-monitoring patchsets for review ? | 16:23 |
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| dkushwaha | sridhar_ram, I think we missed NSD | 16:24 |
| sridhar_ram | dkushwaha: will got to it in few mins | 16:24 |
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| dkushwaha | sridhar_ram, ok | 16:24 |
| tung_doan | sridhar: I already devided some parts for impemtation | 16:25 |
| tung_doan | sridhar: hope to finish soon | 16:25 |
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| sridhar_ram | tung_doan: okay, again please keep in mind all the code-review and devref need to finish by Aug 29th.. otherwise this feature need to move to O-release.. | 16:26 |
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| sridhar_ram | s3wong: along the same lines, how is your networking-sfc driver coming along ? | 16:26 |
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| tung_doan | sridhar: i know this time is very important.. thanks for reminding | 16:26 |
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| sridhar_ram | tung_doan: sure | 16:27 |
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| sridhar_ram | s3wong: u there ? | 16:28 |
| sridhar_ram | s3wong: did you catch the question above ? | 16:28 |
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| * sridhar_ram will sync up w/ s3wong offline | 16:29 | |
| sridhar_ram | #topic NSD | 16:29 |
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| sridhar_ram | #link https://review.openstack.org/304667 | 16:29 |
| sridhar_ram | dkushwaha: take over, please | 16:29 |
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| dkushwaha | sridhar_ram, Last week, I have updated the spec. | 16:29 |
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| dkushwaha | sridhar_ram, i have some questions | 16:30 |
| sridhar_ram | dkushwaha: shoot | 16:30 |
| dkushwaha | sridhar_ram, and want o know team's opinion | 16:30 |
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| dkushwaha | sridhar_ram, As in spec, I am mentioning VirtualLink and ConnectionPoint tables separately, is it make sense? or we need to keep it attributes part of NetworkServiceTemplate ? | 16:30 |
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| sridhar_ram | dkushwaha: IMO, db tables for VLs and CPs doesn't make sense | 16:31 |
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| KanagarajM | sridhar_ram, +1 I too felt the same | 16:31 |
| janki | sridhar_ram: I agree | 16:32 |
| sridhar_ram | dkushwaha: handling it as attributes similar to how we are doing it for VNFD should be sufficient | 16:32 |
| sridhar_ram | dkushwaha: now, what is the advantage of having this in DB ? | 16:32 |
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| sridhar_ram | there is a reason you are proposing this and I'd like to understand that | 16:33 |
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| dkushwaha | sridhar_ram, Actually I am thinking to invoke create_vnfd inside nsd onboard operation. and handle vld and cp separately | 16:33 |
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| dkushwaha | sridhar_ram, thats why i thought to keep it in different tables | 16:34 |
| sridhar_ram | dkushwaha: these VLD and CPd are part of NSD yaml template itself, correct ? | 16:34 |
| dkushwaha | sridhar_ram, yes | 16:34 |
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| sridhar_ram | dkushwaha: do we allow any API / CLI operations directly on VLD or CP ? | 16:35 |
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| * sridhar_ram thinks most likely not | 16:35 | |
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| dkushwaha | sridhar_ram, we can allow for some operations | 16:36 |
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| dkushwaha | sridhar_ram, like add vld | 16:36 |
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| sridhar_ram | dkushwaha: yes, but that is probably for a future work, and it shd be out of scope for NSD work | 16:36 |
| dkushwaha | sridhar_ram, agree. make sense to me | 16:37 |
| sripriya | sridhar_ram: given that VNFFD and VNFD is in place and now NSD is coming in, are we thinking about a separate catalog framework for these templates? | 16:38 |
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| sridhar_ram | btw, on a related but a different idea.. i'd like you to explore using Mistral workflow for your NSD work | 16:38 |
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| sridhar_ram | Mistral support for Tacker got recently merged.. | 16:39 |
| sridhar_ram | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/331827/ | 16:39 |
| sridhar_ram | and there are some same workflow to create VNFD / VNF is posted recently.. | 16:39 |
| KanagarajM | sripriya, now glare is ready ! so it would be an choice to consider :) | 16:39 |
| sridhar_ram | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/341164/ | 16:39 |
| KanagarajM | sripriya, http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-July/099553.html | 16:40 |
| sridhar_ram | sripriya: good point in separating call the catalog out of VNFM | 16:40 |
| sridhar_ram | s/call/all/ | 16:40 |
| sripriya | KanagarajM: thanks for the pointer, they mention tacker as well in the mail | 16:41 |
| KanagarajM | sripriya, yes | 16:41 |
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| sridhar_ram | we shd engage more w/ glare team in Barcelona, we missed sync w/ them in Austin... | 16:42 |
| sridhar_ram | Folks: can nfv-catalog split out be taken up as part of NSD work ? | 16:42 |
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| sridhar_ram | there shouldn't be any end user facing VNFD impact ? | 16:43 |
| sridhar_ram | sripriya: ? | 16:43 |
| sripriya | sridhar_ram: i guess no | 16:43 |
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| sridhar_ram | dkushwaha: please assess the impact of nfv-catalog split out as part of your NSD work | 16:44 |
| dkushwaha | sridhar_ram, yes sure | 16:44 |
| sridhar_ram | dkushwaha: all: please think about using mistral for NSD | 16:44 |
| sridhar_ram | we can discuss that in the midcycle | 16:45 |
| dkushwaha | sridhar_ram, I will llik into that | 16:45 |
| dkushwaha | sridhar_ram, is invoking create_vnfd inside onboard nsd is correct way? | 16:45 |
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| sridhar_ram | dkushwaha: in the initial phase, NSD can just reference VNFDs already onborded into the catalog | 16:46 |
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| sridhar_ram | dkushwaha: in a follow-on, we can consider supporting in-ling VNFDs within NSD. Then we need create_vnfd() with some properties to make it special (not visible in VNFD list, only available for that specific NSD) | 16:47 |
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| sridhar_ram | *in-line / embedded | 16:47 |
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| sridhar_ram | dkushwaha: let's continue the discussion in the midcycle.. you shd lead this topic, obviously | 16:48 |
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| dkushwaha | sridhar_ram, yes sure | 16:48 |
| sridhar_ram | moving on.. | 16:48 |
| sridhar_ram | #topic VNFC | 16:48 |
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| manikanta_tadi | Hi All, Myself and bharath tried to understand how heat software component can be fit for VNFC support. | 16:49 |
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| sridhar_ram | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/339798 | 16:49 |
| manikanta_tadi | One question on our mind is , How vnf upgrade can be supported on fly if we opt for heat software component | 16:49 |
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| sridhar_ram | KanagarajM: have some thought here ? | 16:50 |
| manikanta_tadi | sridhar_ram : we are exploring various drivers apart from ssh driver what we had in the spec | 16:51 |
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| sridhar_ram | basically, we need to know if heat can do "uninstall" of s/w in VMs | 16:51 |
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| sridhar_ram | manikanta_tadi: can you & tbh plan to present some slides on this topic for next week's midcycle... | 16:52 |
| manikanta_tadi | KanagarajM, pls provide your inputs from heat perspective | 16:52 |
| sridhar_ram | please go over all the options in that prezo | 16:52 |
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| manikanta_tadi | sridhar_ram : Sure! | 16:52 |
| sridhar_ram | I'll also lookup a bit more on Heat SoftwareComponent | 16:53 |
| manikanta_tadi | sridhar_ram : We will come up with that... | 16:53 |
| sridhar_ram | openstack-service --> VMs spawned is a hot topic these days in the ML | 16:53 |
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| s3wong | sridhar_ram: sorry, was out of desk a while ago | 16:54 |
| sridhar_ram | there is a concern different projects are resorting to different methods | 16:54 |
| sridhar_ram | something to keep in mind | 16:54 |
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| sridhar_ram | s3wong: np | 16:54 |
| s3wong | sridhar_ram: currently aiming to have the patches out before the mid cycle next week; sorry for the delay | 16:54 |
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| sridhar_ram | s3wong: sure, release dates are approaching faster than i thought it would :) | 16:55 |
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| sridhar_ram | moving on | 16:55 |
| sridhar_ram | #topic Midcycle Meetup Topics | 16:55 |
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| sridhar_ram | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tacker-newton-midcycle | 16:55 |
| sridhar_ram | last call for topics to disucss in the midcycle.. | 16:56 |
| sridhar_ram | i'd like to invite the team to actively participate and be.. vocal ! | 16:56 |
| janki | I have a question | 16:56 |
| sridhar_ram | I'd rather talk less and .. have the community speak :) | 16:56 |
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| sridhar_ram | janki: sure | 16:56 |
| janki | Are we planning to have an ansible playbook for tacker as well? | 16:57 |
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| sridhar_ram | janki: yes, someone from Brocade is working on it.. | 16:57 |
| janki | ohk, cool | 16:57 |
| sridhar_ram | janki: need to check how far it has progressed.. | 16:57 |
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| janki | sridhar_ram: sure, let me know if help needed | 16:58 |
| sridhar_ram | janki: sure | 16:58 |
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| janki | sridhar_ram: I also have an idea/feature development | 16:58 |
| janki | not sure how valuable it is | 16:58 |
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| sridhar_ram | anything else on midcycle ? | 16:58 |
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| sridhar_ram | janki: write a spec / blueprint | 16:59 |
| janki | sridhar_ram: sure, will do | 16:59 |
| sridhar_ram | janki: don't worry about the usefulness.. | 16:59 |
| sridhar_ram | janki: you never know :) | 16:59 |
| janki | :) | 16:59 |
| sridhar_ram | alright times up | 16:59 |
| sridhar_ram | thanks for joining everyone | 16:59 |
| janki | bye | 16:59 |
| sridhar_ram | talk to all next week | 16:59 |
| sridhar_ram | #endmeeting | 16:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jul 19 16:59:59 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2016/tacker.2016-07-19-16.00.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2016/tacker.2016-07-19-16.00.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2016/tacker.2016-07-19-16.00.log.html | 17:00 |
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| mohankumar | vikram : no common classifier meeting today ? | 17:05 |
| Vikram | I also couldn't find anyone here | 17:05 |
| davidsha | Vikram, mohankumar : Cathy sent an email there saying the meeting was canceled | 17:06 |
| mohankumar | Vikram: as per ics it's odd week of every month http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/#Neutron_Common_Classifier_meeting | 17:06 |
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| Vikram | Ohh.. | 17:07 |
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| mohankumar | davidsha: Thanks , i may missed the mail :) | 17:07 |
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| Vikram | davidsha, thanks for the update | 17:08 |
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| davidsha | mohankumar : it wasn't on the mailing list, no problem. | 17:08 |
| Vikram | Ok | 17:08 |
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| igordcard | do you want to discuss the classifications usage anyway? | 17:10 |
| davidsha | Vikram, mohankumar : if either of you are interested I have a WIP for the flow manager for organizing the OpenFlow tables? | 17:10 |
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| mohankumar | davidsha: could you share more pointers ? any review link up ? | 17:17 |
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| mohankumar | igordcard: nope , we shall discuss next irc , thanks ! | 17:18 |
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| fungi | infra team, reassemble! | 19:00 |
| SotK | o/ | 19:00 |
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| fungi | today's topics are made possible through a generous grant from Zara, wznoinsk, fungi and pleia2 | 19:00 |
| mordred | fungi: what should I resemble? | 19:00 |
| pleia2 | o/ | 19:00 |
| markus_z | o/ | 19:00 |
| clarkb | present | 19:00 |
| Zara | o/ | 19:00 |
| olaph | form of: gelatin desert! | 19:00 |
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| anteaya | I was ready for ensemble | 19:01 |
| fungi | mmm | 19:01 |
| ianw | o/ | 19:01 |
| pabelanger | hello | 19:01 |
| fungi | anteaya: i like to keep everyone guessing | 19:01 |
| mordred | olaph: mmm. horse bones | 19:01 |
| anteaya | fungi: success | 19:01 |
| jeblair | howdy! | 19:01 |
| anteaya | mordred: and hooves | 19:01 |
| AJaeger | o/ | 19:01 |
| mordred | anteaya: hooves are tasty | 19:01 |
| anteaya | mmmm | 19:01 |
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| fungi | #startmeeting infra | 19:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jul 19 19:02:43 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is fungi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'infra' | 19:02 |
| fungi | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/InfraTeamMeeting#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 19:02 |
| fungi | #topic Announcements | 19:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:02 | |
| fungi | #info Reminder: late-cycle joint Infra/QA get together to be held September 19-21 (CW38) in at SAP offices in Walldorf, DE | 19:03 |
| fungi | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Sprints/QAInfraNewtonSprint | 19:03 |
| fungi | #topic Actions from last meeting | 19:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Actions from last meeting (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:03 | |
| fungi | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2016/infra.2016-07-12-19.02.html | 19:03 |
| anteaya | confirm the space has enough seats | 19:03 |
| pleia2 | if this team has a birthday, I think it was last week on July 14th with the first commit to syste-config http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/system-config/commit/?id=5d85125bf7739a38c788256ccfba7877b46d2132 | 19:03 |
| fungi | (none) | 19:03 |
| pleia2 | ^^ re: announcements | 19:03 |
| anteaya | pleia2: ah | 19:03 |
| fungi | anteaya: heh, we don't want a repeat of the nova mid-cycle | 19:03 |
| anteaya | happy birthday team | 19:03 |
| anteaya | fungi: indeed | 19:03 |
| pleia2 | 5 years, woo | 19:03 |
| * anteaya types from her hotel room | 19:03 | |
| Zara | hehe | 19:03 |
| fungi | pleia2: oh, yep that's a good one | 19:03 |
| zaro | o/ | 19:04 |
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| fungi | #topic Infra config 5 year birthday (pleia2) | 19:04 |
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| * pleia2 passes around cake | 19:04 | |
| fungi | link us proper like | 19:04 |
| pleia2 | #link http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/system-config/commit/?id=5d85125bf7739a38c788256ccfba7877b46d2132 | 19:04 |
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| fungi | #info 5 years since the first config repo patch | 19:04 |
| * anteaya puts on a funny hat | 19:04 | |
| anteaya | markus_z: whew | 19:05 |
| pleia2 | ok, we can move along :) | 19:05 |
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| * fungi gets down to "srs bznz" | 19:05 | |
| fungi | #topic Specs approval | 19:05 |
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| fungi | #topic APPROVED: Newton testing on Xenial | 19:05 |
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| fungi | #link http://specs.openstack.org/openstack-infra/infra-specs/specs/newton-on-xenial.html Newton testing on Xenial | 19:05 |
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| fungi | i've also updated the priority list in our agenda to have a slot for this as needed | 19:06 |
| fungi | #topic APPROVED: Firehose: A unified message bus for Infra services | 19:06 |
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| fungi | #link http://specs.openstack.org/openstack-infra/infra-specs/specs/firehose.html Firehose: A unified message bus for Infra services | 19:06 |
| fungi | #topic Priority Efforts: A Task Tracker for OpenStack (Zara) | 19:06 |
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| fungi | #link https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/worklist/129 current blocking tasks | 19:06 |
| fungi | On the agenda you wrote: "A couple of questions from talking with the Nova bugs team" | 19:06 |
| Zara | hi! | 19:06 |
| Zara | yeah, okay, so etherpad here | 19:06 |
| Zara | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nova-bugs-team | 19:07 |
| Zara | question is line 174 | 19:07 |
| Zara | 'assumed we transition tomorrow to storyboard, what's happening with the current open bug reports of Launchpad? The bug report numbers are used in a lot of commit messages of changes in Gerrit. Gerrit also links comments, like "bug 123" to the bug report 123 in LP. ' | 19:07 |
| openstack | bug 123 in Launchpad itself "There's no direct way to see the project info when translating it" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/123 | 19:07 |
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| Zara | hahaha | 19:07 |
| mordred | :) | 19:07 |
| Zara | what a beautiful demonstration | 19:07 |
| fungi | there was a plan for this! | 19:07 |
| fungi | basically when we import, we preserve the lp bug number as the imported story number | 19:08 |
| mordred | Zara: so - I think we had, at some point in the past, talked about transitioning the lp bugs to storyboard so that they had identical bug numbers (which is why all the new bugs stsart at 2 million) | 19:08 |
| mordred | that way things like bug links in gerrit that reference by id can get new urls | 19:08 |
| jeblair | so we have to move off of lp before it hits 2 million bugs :) | 19:09 |
| Zara | hahaha | 19:09 |
| markus_z | OK, that would be great. I asked that question because I wanted to avoid that Nova (or any other project) has to adjust several hundred commit messages. | 19:09 |
| fungi | yeah, the only reason we haven't don ethat yet is because it's a global change to gerrit and we can't do that while only infra projects are in sb | 19:09 |
| mordred | markus_z: totally | 19:09 |
| mordred | markus_z: that would be terrible | 19:09 |
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| fungi | was that all we needed to cover? or were there more questions/concerns? | 19:10 |
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| anteaya | markus_z: are you happy? is E011 addressed for you? | 19:10 |
| markus_z | We had the catch22 when transitioning. | 19:10 |
| markus_z | anteaya: no, not yet | 19:10 |
| anteaya | okay | 19:10 |
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| Zara | okay, that's all from me, the other question was covered in-channel (it was originally 'when do we want to have a cross-project discussion about this' but anteaya has said she will organise that) | 19:10 |
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| anteaya | Zara: thanks | 19:10 |
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| markus_z | background for the others: there are a lot of scripts out there which interact with the API of LP | 19:11 |
| markus_z | I don't yet see how the transition looks like for those scripts | 19:11 |
| Zara | we have a python client to talk to the storyboard api, so I imagine you'd want to import that | 19:12 |
| markus_z | I was asking for some kind of "staging area" where people can test their rewritten scripts against. | 19:12 |
| fungi | as an example, we have scripts which comment on, change status and reassign bugs in lp when changes referencing them are proposed or merged. in that case we're replacing those scripts with a gerrit plugin that talks to the sb api | 19:12 |
| markus_z | Zara: yep | 19:12 |
| anteaya | I don't think that the storyboard team has the ability to transition people's individual scripts | 19:12 |
| clarkb | markus_z: there is a dev storyboard server you can use for that | 19:12 |
| markus_z | anteaya: no, I'm not asking for that | 19:12 |
| anteaya | markus_z: that is the dev server | 19:12 |
| SotK | we should migrate some real data into storyboard-dev | 19:12 |
| Zara | +1 | 19:12 |
| markus_z | +1 | 19:12 |
| SotK | and use that for staging | 19:12 |
| SotK | by some I may mean all, idk | 19:13 |
| clarkb | would be a good test of current state of migration too | 19:13 |
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| fungi | SotK: in the past we considered exporting a db dump from production and loading that in dev, though i suppose a script to create a variety of content may also make sense | 19:13 |
| anteaya | okay, who is the person or persons that has the ability to migrate production data into -dev? | 19:13 |
| fungi | oh, or migrate from lp, sure | 19:13 |
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| clarkb | I would do lp to storybpard again just to make sure it works | 19:13 |
| anteaya | clarkb: to storyboard -dev? | 19:14 |
| clarkb | since both lp and storybaord have been changing | 19:14 |
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| clarkb | anteaya: yes | 19:14 |
| SotK | thats what I was thinking | 19:14 |
| anteaya | great | 19:14 |
| markus_z | It doesn't need to be acurate at all points in time, but it should reflect reality (from one single point in time) | 19:14 |
| anteaya | who can help with this? | 19:14 |
| fungi | anteaya: the awesome people listed at http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/system-config/tree/modules/openstack_project/manifests/storyboard/dev.pp#n40 plus all of infra-root | 19:14 |
| anteaya | fungi: wonderful thank you | 19:14 |
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| fungi | anything else? | 19:15 |
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| anteaya | so which are we doing, storyboard production to -dev? | 19:15 |
| anteaya | or lp to storyboard-dev? | 19:15 |
| fungi | i think test the lp migration/import script on dev | 19:15 |
| SotK | +1 | 19:15 |
| markus_z | +1 | 19:15 |
| anteaya | okay thank you | 19:15 |
| * anteaya creates a story | 19:15 | |
| fungi | that kills several birds with one command | 19:15 |
| fungi | or something | 19:16 |
| fungi | #agreed We plan to keep LP bug numbers as SB story numbers on import | 19:16 |
| anteaya | #link https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/2000677 | 19:16 |
| fungi | #agreed Test the migration script on storyboard-dev so as to also provide a useful dataset that interested parties can use for validating replacement tooling | 19:17 |
| markus_z | Is time for another question? | 19:17 |
| fungi | sure | 19:17 |
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| markus_z | I was wondering if we plan to migrate all projects or just a subset. Especially when working with Nova, quite a lot of issue affect other projects too (Glance, Cinder, Neutron, ...). | 19:18 |
| fungi | markus_z: the plan is all of them at the same time | 19:18 |
| markus_z | ok, cool, that resolves the issue I've seen | 19:18 |
| fungi | because of the prevalence of cross-project bugs like you describe | 19:18 |
| markus_z | (to split one issue over SB + LP) | 19:19 |
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| fungi | otherwise we'd end up very disjointed | 19:19 |
| markus_z | yes, great | 19:19 |
| fungi | we migrated infra early because our bugs have very little overlap outside infra projects | 19:19 |
| fungi | so we could serve as a sort of island to dogfood sb | 19:19 |
| fungi | but the rest of openstack would need to happen all at once | 19:19 |
| mordred | island of dogfood | 19:19 |
| anteaya | markus_z: do you feel your concerns including E011 have been addressed? | 19:19 |
| fungi | that's part of the reason coordinating this decision is so complicated | 19:19 |
| Zara | :D | 19:20 |
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| fungi | #agreed We can't migrate some projects' bugs at different times--it's an all-or-nothing situation | 19:20 |
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| markus_z | anteaya: There wasn't yet an "agreed" on giving folks time to rewrite their scripts, or did I miss it? | 19:21 |
| clarkb | though mny other potential islands have asked to use sb but we turned them away. Might be worth it if a specific group knows what they are getting into | 19:21 |
| anteaya | markus_z: how much time would you like us to give? | 19:21 |
| fungi | clarkb: yeah, we came to an agreement not too long ago that we wouldn't tell ancillary projects they couldn't use sb as that was crippling interest | 19:22 |
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| markus_z | anteaya: after the -dev server has real life data, 4-6 weeks? | 19:22 |
| anteaya | can we agree to 4 weeks? | 19:22 |
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| anteaya | after the -dev server has real data? | 19:23 |
| markus_z | I can rewrite mine in that time, I cannot speak for the release team | 19:23 |
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| anteaya | it might be more than that | 19:23 |
| anteaya | that is fine, I'll check with the release team | 19:23 |
| anteaya | markus_z: can we create an agreement next meeting after I talk with the release team? | 19:23 |
| markus_z | sure | 19:23 |
| anteaya | thank you | 19:23 |
| fungi | yeah, given that this is still the requirements collection phase, we still need some development after the gap analysis is done and convincing the tc | 19:23 |
| anteaya | fungi: yes, but I think we can hope to create the agreement markus_z is asking for next week | 19:24 |
| fungi | i have a feeling 4 weeks from when we test the migration script is a lot less than what we'll actually end up with for a timeline anyway | 19:24 |
| anteaya | fungi: me too | 19:24 |
| fungi | okay, thanks Zara, anteaya, SotK, markus_z! | 19:24 |
| Zara | thank you! :) | 19:24 |
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| anteaya | which is why I have no issue working towards the agreement markus_z wants | 19:25 |
| fungi | #topic Intel/Mellanox Barcelona talk proposal: Openstack CI - testing SRIOV/NFV (wznoinsk) | 19:25 |
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| anteaya | thank you | 19:25 |
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| fungi | wznoinsk: i left this on the agenda as i wasn't sure whether you got the discussion you needed after the meeting in #openstack-infra | 19:25 |
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| fungi | do you still need this as a meeting topic? | 19:25 |
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| fungi | i'm guessing wznoinsk is not around. i'll move on and we can come back to this during open discussion if necessary | 19:26 |
| fungi | #topic Infra mascot/logo (fungi) | 19:26 |
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| fungi | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/infra-mascot-ideas Infra mascot/logo ideas | 19:26 |
| fungi | i'm thinking the easy way for this would be to distill the ideas proposed there so far and do a civs poll to provide a ranked list of our preferred options | 19:26 |
| fungi | maybe just use infra contributors over the past year like we do for infra ptl elections (those people seem to make good choices!) | 19:26 |
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| anteaya | hehe | 19:27 |
| fungi | any other preferences? | 19:27 |
| anteaya | keystone seems to want a turtle | 19:27 |
| pleia2 | there aren't many ideas on the pad | 19:27 |
| fungi | we could ask keystone to choose a mascot for us i guess | 19:27 |
| anteaya | according to their post to the mailing list | 19:27 |
| fungi | they seem to be good at this | 19:27 |
| pleia2 | hehe | 19:27 |
| AJaeger | ;) | 19:27 |
| anteaya | that could work | 19:27 |
| AJaeger | as long as we could veto ;) | 19:28 |
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| fungi | should this get deferred another week for the purpose of collecting more ideas? | 19:28 |
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| fungi | or just go with the list we have now and vote this week? | 19:28 |
| anteaya | I'm meh on the whole idea actually | 19:29 |
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| anteaya | I think neutron voted in favour of not having a mascot | 19:29 |
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| fungi | and yes, keystone leaning toward a turtle which was also on our list is what makes me think a ranked list via civs would be good, as we may not get our first choice | 19:29 |
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| anteaya | we naturally gravitate to things anyway, I'm fine if we gravitated to something | 19:29 |
| anteaya | this just feels imposed to me | 19:29 |
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| fungi | i'm happy with "no mascot" being an option in the list too | 19:29 |
| Zara | +1 | 19:30 |
| anteaya | I would support that option | 19:30 |
| pleia2 | I like mascots a lot | 19:30 |
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| fungi | i wonder if any other projects have dibs on homo sapiens as a mascot | 19:30 |
| HenryG | Where did neutron vote against a mascot? | 19:30 |
| fungi | some of them can be cool | 19:30 |
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| Zara | it is banned | 19:31 |
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| Zara | ;_; | 19:31 |
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| fungi | aww, the only animal in nature we can't choose i guess | 19:31 |
| AJaeger | wonder how our stickers would look like with a big "no mascot" on it ;) | 19:31 |
| HenryG | Neutron has an etherpad to collect ideas for a mascot, https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-project-mascot | 19:31 |
| anteaya | HenryG: wasnt' that part of a thread to the mailing list about mascots? | 19:31 |
| pleia2 | AJaeger: haha | 19:31 |
| anteaya | HenryG: or am I mis-remembering? | 19:31 |
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| markus_z | fungi: http://i.imgur.com/mBkT1qd.png ;) | 19:32 |
| anteaya | HenryG: I'm remembering something on the mailing list and I had thought it was neutron | 19:32 |
| pleia2 | markus_z: nice | 19:32 |
| fungi | markus_z: yep | 19:32 |
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| anteaya | markus_z: ha ha ha | 19:32 |
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| HenryG | anteaya: looking now, because I was not aware of it | 19:33 |
| * krotscheck wants to create a font with all the logos/mascots as custom UTF code points. | 19:33 | |
| anteaya | HenryG: I might be wrong, in which case thank you for providing facts to refute my vague recollections | 19:33 |
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| anteaya | fungi: I also wonder if "maybe later" should be an option, leaving us the chance to gravitate to something later | 19:35 |
| fungi | i'm sensing not a lot of excitement over the current list. i'm on the fence about whether there will be more exciting things a week from now, or whether we should just go with the list we | 19:35 |
| fungi | 've collected | 19:35 |
| anteaya | I'm not excited nor am I expecting to be more excited next week | 19:35 |
| pleia2 | fungi: I'd appreciate a push for more ideas through next week | 19:35 |
| fungi | anteaya: yeah, that's sort of what i meant with "no mascot" as an option (decide not to decide now) | 19:35 |
| pleia2 | and we don't seem to be good about being serious about this :) | 19:36 |
| anteaya | fungi: okay cool | 19:36 |
| HenryG | anteaya: All I can find with neutron + mascot on the mailing list is http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-July/099281.html | 19:36 |
| pleia2 | so, more serious ideas please, add them | 19:36 |
| fungi | pleia2: the marketing people i've talked to say this is serious business, or something. i'm inclined to believe them | 19:36 |
| * pleia2 nods | 19:36 | |
| anteaya | HenryG: oh okay, guess I'm wrong then, I had thought I remembered something though | 19:36 |
| anteaya | HenryG: thanks for the reasearch and sorry to give the wrong impression | 19:36 |
| HenryG | anteaya: no worries | 19:37 |
| fungi | okay, so pleia2 is in favor of giving it another week to drum up some better ideas. anyone want to second that, or oppose? | 19:37 |
| anteaya | may as well give her the week if she wants it | 19:37 |
| anteaya | seconded | 19:37 |
| pleia2 | thanks | 19:37 |
| fungi | hearing no objections | 19:37 |
| anteaya | welcome | 19:37 |
| clarkb | wfm | 19:38 |
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| markus_z | how about a network of veins? (not sure how the correct medical term is). Without it, the other projects die? | 19:38 |
| fungi | #agreed We'll give the mascot ideas collection an additional week and revisit in our next meeting | 19:38 |
| anteaya | markus_z: ha h aha ha ha | 19:38 |
| pleia2 | infra wins for grosses mascot | 19:38 |
| pleia2 | +t | 19:38 |
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| fungi | markus_z: the human circulatory system. i like it | 19:38 |
| mordred | fungi: I cannot imagine the marketing people not liking that | 19:39 |
| krotscheck | Maybe a honeycomb? | 19:39 |
| fungi | honeycomb's big | 19:39 |
| fungi | (yeah, yeah, yeah) | 19:39 |
| anteaya | krotscheck: a honeycomb is good | 19:39 |
| AJaeger | bees or ants | 19:39 |
| anteaya | fungi: ha ha ha | 19:39 |
| fungi | okay, ideas discussion -> etherpad | 19:39 |
| anteaya | well bees aren't collaborative | 19:39 |
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| anteaya | neither are ants | 19:39 |
| anteaya | the both are ruled by queens | 19:40 |
| fungi | for those who need it again, https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/infra-mascot-ideas | 19:40 |
| anteaya | I don't think the group would like that implication | 19:40 |
| Zara | btw, I assumed 1 thing each, if we want *loads* of ideas maybe it's worth saying it can be more than that? | 19:40 |
| fungi | #topic Proposed: Contributor survey (pleia2) | 19:40 |
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| * krotscheck has graphical skillz in case they're required. | 19:40 | |
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| fungi | #undo | 19:40 |
| timrc | You have to admit though that mind controlling pheramones are pretty cool. </hides> | 19:40 |
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| fungi | thanks Zara! good idea | 19:40 |
| anteaya | Zara: I didn't assume one idea each | 19:40 |
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| fungi | #agreed Multiple ideas from one person are fine | 19:40 |
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| anteaya | and yeah sounds like pleia2 wants lots | 19:40 |
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| fungi | the more the merrier | 19:41 |
| Zara | fungi: yw :) | 19:41 |
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| fungi | #topic Proposed: Contributor survey (pleia2) | 19:41 |
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| fungi | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/infra-newton-contrib-survey Contributor survey draft | 19:41 |
| * fungi is genuinely excited | 19:41 | |
| pleia2 | some background here: there have been a few folks who are unhappy with contributing to our team, which makes me sad | 19:42 |
| fungi | yes, i would love to have a better understanding of why, so this is a good way of figuring that out (i think) | 19:42 |
| pleia2 | broadly speaking I don't think it's just us, OpenStack has a whole toolset and testing infrastructure that can be difficult, but I don't actually know | 19:42 |
| zaro | i've gotten the same feedback | 19:43 |
| pleia2 | so I drafted up this survey to figure out why, then passed it around to a couple of my broader open source buddies who do this sort of thing to weigh in | 19:43 |
| pleia2 | and fungi chimed in too | 19:43 |
| timrc | Contributing as in significant contributions, drive-by contributions, all of the above? | 19:43 |
| pleia2 | timrc: all of the above, the survey gathers which the participate currently is | 19:43 |
| fungi | timrc: also unsuccessful contributions | 19:43 |
| anteaya | I'm fine gathering data and anaylsing it, the bit I would like to avoid is simialr to a working group deciding they dont' want to learn irc so we should all move off of it | 19:44 |
| mordred | anteaya: ++ | 19:44 |
| pleia2 | so this agenda item is to present the etherpad to the rest of the team to weigh in, and get the ball rolling on how we'd share such a survey | 19:44 |
| fungi | i doubt that's likely in our case ;) | 19:44 |
| pleia2 | other teams have wanted survey software, we don't run any | 19:44 |
| anteaya | so if we are actually looking at things to fix but we need more input on how to fix them or what output folks want, a survey is great | 19:44 |
| fungi | yeah, it's been discussed before that we could configure limesurvey or something | 19:45 |
| anteaya | but if the data says respondants all want to submit patchest to github not gerrit that actually puts us in a hole | 19:45 |
| pleia2 | I see a survey as a first step, I think the results will determine where we go from there | 19:45 |
| jesusaur | while our tooling does have a certain learning curve, i think getting reviews / getting reviewers attention can also be a large hurdle | 19:45 |
| mordred | pleia2: ++ | 19:45 |
| pleia2 | jesusaur: yeah, this is the kind of feedback we want | 19:45 |
| anteaya | yes the ux team mentioned limesurvey to me about a year ago | 19:46 |
| timrc | anteaya: Excuse me ma'am, do you have a moment to talk about Slack with me? | 19:46 |
| anteaya | I haven't had a good chat with piet in a while | 19:46 |
| anteaya | timrc: no | 19:46 |
| timrc | :P | 19:46 |
| anteaya | :) | 19:46 |
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| mordred | jesusaur: yah. I mean, I have a hard time finding reviews sometimes, and I know ALL of you people | 19:46 |
| rcarrillocruz | Imho, a key factor is that is hard to get a dev infra to play with | 19:46 |
| rcarrillocruz | (hi from a restaurant) | 19:46 |
| fungi | i expect to discover very little through this process that we can fix with more technology or process. it's likely almost all going to be human interaction/conflict (or lack thereof) at issue | 19:46 |
| anteaya | timrc: when the jehovah's witnesses come to my house I walk past them informing them I am going for a walk and they are welcome to sit in the yard if they wish | 19:46 |
| mordred | fungi: I expect the same - although I do think that gathering the data will be useful/interesting | 19:47 |
| anteaya | timrc: they haven't returned since I extended that invitation | 19:47 |
| pleia2 | fungi: that's my guess too, but we can fix humans too :) | 19:47 |
| pleia2 | (at least some of us) | 19:47 |
| rcarrillocruz | So reviewng stuff can be daunting | 19:47 |
| mordred | pleia2: I thought having humans fixed was generally frowned on | 19:47 |
| fungi | pleia2: absolutely--my take is that we may learn ways we can adjust our behavior to be more friendly and welcoming to new contributions | 19:47 |
| rcarrillocruz | For newcomers | 19:47 |
| pleia2 | mordred: haha | 19:47 |
| mordred | fungi: ++ | 19:47 |
| timrc | jesusaur: I feel like Gerrit topics are good, but there needs to be some higher level, logical way of looking down into infra, zooming in, and seeing activity. | 19:48 |
| anteaya | pleia2: I think tat was the point of the leadership training at zingermans | 19:48 |
| pleia2 | anyway, I don't want to get into actually talking about the things, but if folks can look at the survey and we can agree that we can set up limesurvey or something, that would be good :) | 19:48 |
| anteaya | which I would love to start practicing some of the items like how to give feedback | 19:48 |
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| krotscheck | Any tool will be judged against the one with the simplest user experience. In a world with Github, nothing more complicated will ever measure up. | 19:48 |
| mordred | fungi: often times we are familiar enough with things that we forget how many things we know that newcomers don't - even when we have docs for a given subject | 19:48 |
| timrc | pleia2: ++ | 19:48 |
| pleia2 | s/the things/the issues | 19:48 |
| clarkb | krotscheck: I had to use github the other day. Not sure it is very simple. I think familiarity is more at play with github than simplicity | 19:48 |
| mordred | clarkb: ++ | 19:49 |
| clarkb | I couldn't figure out how to push to a gist | 19:49 |
| anteaya | timrc: well if you can concive of a storyboard feature that shows that, that is worth discussing | 19:49 |
| * mordred finds github quite hard to use | 19:49 | |
| clarkb | I spent 20 minutes on that | 19:49 |
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| Zara | +1, I actually still don't know how to use it | 19:49 |
| * mordred also finds macs quite hard to use | 19:49 | |
| krotscheck | clarkb: Habituation matters, yes. | 19:49 |
| fungi | yeah, github has a sort of ubiquity and mindshare going for it, not necessarily simplicity | 19:49 |
| pleia2 | mordred: me too, confounding machines | 19:49 |
| anteaya | krotscheck: I agree with you, github users want everything to work like github | 19:49 |
| mordred | anteaya: to be fair, I want github to work like gerrit - so I can see where they are coming from :) | 19:50 |
| anteaya | so yeah, if we actually have a problem we want to fix, then a survey is great | 19:50 |
| timrc | anteaya: Maybe a firehose project :) aggregate review topics to queues which map to specs or other topics. I dunno... but yeah, maybe I should think more about it :) | 19:50 |
| anteaya | mordred: yes, I can see your point | 19:50 |
| krotscheck | It's a complicated topic. Windows people want windows. Mac people want macs. Linux people want linux | 19:50 |
| clarkb | (I actually still don't know how to push to a gist, I gave up) | 19:50 |
| mordred | yah. so - this brings up a good point | 19:50 |
| pleia2 | only 10 minutes left and I think we're tangenting a bit | 19:50 |
| anteaya | timrc: did you look at the firehose spec that merged last week? | 19:50 |
| clarkb | (and I really know how git works so ya...) | 19:50 |
| mordred | which is that it's really quick to fall into discussing tools and tooling | 19:50 |
| timrc | anteaya: Indeed. | 19:50 |
| fungi | pleia2: so anything else you wanted to get out of this in today's meeting? | 19:50 |
| fungi | a timeline? | 19:51 |
| mordred | but as fungi said earlier, it's likely to be more human issues that will come up | 19:51 |
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| anteaya | timrc: it would be awesome to build a dashboard out of that | 19:51 |
| fungi | did you want to write up a spec for hosting a limesurvey instance | 19:51 |
| fungi | ? | 19:51 |
| pleia2 | fungi: if people can look at the survey by next meeting, that would be good, and maybe a spec for limesurvey setup? | 19:51 |
| mordred | as we look at any results, it'll be good to remind ourselves to not immediatley fall into the "fix the tool" response | 19:51 |
| mordred | pleia2: ++ | 19:51 |
| pleia2 | I can work on a spec | 19:51 |
| timrc | mordred: That is a solid point. | 19:51 |
| anteaya | pleia2: limesurvey | 19:51 |
| anteaya | pleia2: thank you, piet would be a stakeholder in that spec | 19:51 |
| anteaya | the ux ptl | 19:51 |
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| fungi | #agreed Revisit survey questions at next meeting | 19:51 |
| pleia2 | anteaya: good to know! | 19:51 |
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| anteaya | pleia2: thank you | 19:52 |
| fungi | #action pleia2 Submit a spec to host an instance of limesurvey | 19:52 |
| fungi | yeah? | 19:52 |
| pleia2 | wfm | 19:52 |
| pleia2 | thanks all | 19:52 |
| anteaya | and I do thnk sharing some of the zingtrain things with the infra team would be great | 19:52 |
| * fungi refreshes agenda to spot last-minute additions | 19:52 | |
| anteaya | since me and mordred and jeblair attended | 19:52 |
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| fungi | #topic Open discussion | 19:53 |
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| pleia2 | anteaya: ++ I would have liked to attend, but I had a conflict | 19:53 |
| anteaya | pleia2: I understand, perhaps next time | 19:53 |
| anteaya | I can book the sprint channel some friday for sharing if there is interest | 19:53 |
| fungi | i have a mental block against "leadership training" after encountering a number of people in the past who were brainwashed into multi-level marketing cults masquerading as "leadership seminars" | 19:54 |
| ianw | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/316175/ <- gerrit commit msg length checking -- seems this is stuck between "have a parameter" and "hardcode". don't care which but we should pick one and do it | 19:54 |
| anteaya | I think the constructive feedback bit is useful | 19:54 |
| anteaya | fungi: understood, and I share the same feelings | 19:54 |
| clarkb | I am going to try restarting nodepool again today for the new demand calculations unless I am told not to | 19:54 |
| anteaya | I can share the info and we can do buffet style | 19:54 |
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| anteaya | pick the bits you like | 19:54 |
| fungi | given that none of you have yet mentioned having a quota for how many people you need to sign up for the next session, i'm encouraged | 19:54 |
| pleia2 | anteaya: I'd show up on friday | 19:54 |
| zaro | ianw: param would be better for 3rd party to reuse our manifests | 19:54 |
| anteaya | and if mordred and jeblair attended too, perhaps they also would share | 19:55 |
| anteaya | pleia2: thanks, after nova mid-cycle I'll look at the sprint channel availablity | 19:55 |
| pleia2 | anteaya: after 1800utc (I have a morning thing) | 19:55 |
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| anteaya | fungi: :) | 19:55 |
| * persia thought the quota was 3 | 19:56 | |
| anteaya | pleia2: oh um sorry I meant I would look next week | 19:56 |
| timrc | Maybe we should develop a series of DVDs and books and take infra on the road! | 19:56 |
| anteaya | not that I would book next week | 19:56 |
| zaro | all patches for its-storyboard is ready if anybody is interested, #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:its-storyboard | 19:56 |
| anteaya | pleia2: but noted, thanks | 19:56 |
| pleia2 | anteaya: ah, ok | 19:56 |
| Zara | zaro: yaaaayyy! | 19:56 |
| anteaya | Zara: zaro yay! | 19:56 |
| anteaya | yes its-storyboard reviews please | 19:56 |
| rockyg | fungi, if the leadership attendees start using common terms in strange ways, you better run | 19:56 |
| anteaya | and thank you crinkle for your puppety feedback | 19:56 |
| pabelanger | clarkb: ++ | 19:57 |
| clarkb | ianw: I have no opinion on that :P | 19:57 |
| crinkle | you're welcome | 19:57 |
| fungi | rockyg: things like "triple-bottom line" | 19:57 |
| pleia2 | hee | 19:57 |
| pabelanger | Did HPE move infracloud yet? | 19:57 |
| pabelanger | I haven't heard anything recently | 19:57 |
| anteaya | yet/still | 19:57 |
| crinkle | they are working on it | 19:57 |
| fungi | ooh, good question | 19:57 |
| pleia2 | there's a jira ticket that I didn't look at | 19:58 |
| fungi | thanks crinkle! | 19:58 |
| rcarrillocruz | They are | 19:58 |
| rcarrillocruz | Lulz | 19:58 |
| clarkb | ianw: zaro but will that globally reject commits that don't fit under the limits? | 19:58 |
| crinkle | there seems to have been some confusion about how urgently we needed it | 19:58 |
| fungi | pleia2: i find that's the best way to use jira | 19:58 |
| timrc | "jira ticket that I didn't look at"... par for the course re: jira :) | 19:58 |
| timrc | fungi: ++ | 19:58 |
| rcarrillocruz | Unracked, moved, but not racked | 19:58 |
| clarkb | ianw: zaro refusing commits for that does seem like not a such a great idea if globally applied | 19:58 |
| pabelanger | rcarrillocruz: thanks | 19:58 |
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| pleia2 | crinkle, rcarrillocruz: thanks | 19:58 |
| pabelanger | crinkle: thank too | 19:59 |
| fungi | 30 seconds left | 19:59 |
| pleia2 | thanks for chairing, fungi | 19:59 |
| zaro | clarkb: refusing commits? | 19:59 |
| fungi | we're out of time--thanks everyone! | 19:59 |
| anteaya | thank you for the meeting | 19:59 |
| fungi | #endmeeting | 19:59 |
| clarkb | zaro: ya what does 316175 configure? | 19:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jul 19 19:59:59 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2016/infra.2016-07-19-19.02.html | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2016/infra.2016-07-19-19.02.txt | 20:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2016/infra.2016-07-19-19.02.log.html | 20:00 |
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| crinkle | o/ | 20:00 |
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| fungi | i don't see a post to the openstack-tc list for a meeting today, so i assume they're on hiatus | 20:01 |
| annegentle | oh yeah! | 20:01 |
| annegentle | no tc meeting today | 20:01 |
| dims_ | yep. | 20:01 |
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| rockyg | coolio! | 20:02 |
| fungi | thanks annegentle. i probably overlooked an ml post on the -dev list | 20:02 |
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| fungi | aha, agenda at least lists the next meeting as july 26 | 20:03 |
| fungi | found it in the meeting minutes from last week | 20:03 |
| fungi | http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2016/tc.2016-07-12-20.01.log.html#l-382 | 20:03 |
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| fungi | "Skipping Jul 19 meeting due to too many TC members on the road" | 20:04 |
| amrith | annegentle, you and me both :( | 20:04 |
| amrith | ah well, I just got off the road to attend the meeting (that won't be) :) | 20:04 |
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