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| thinrichs | Hi all | 00:05 |
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| thinrichs | #startmeeting CongressTeamMeeting | 00:05 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 2 00:05:47 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is thinrichs. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 00:05 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 00:05 |
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| thinrichs | masahito ekcs ramineni_: courtesy piong | 00:06 |
| ramineni_ | hi | 00:06 |
| masahito | hi | 00:06 |
| ekcs | hi all. | 00:06 |
| thinrichs | I just have status updates on the agenda. Anything else? | 00:06 |
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| thinrichs | One other thing first: the gate | 00:07 |
| thinrichs | #topic gate | 00:07 |
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| thinrichs | Looking the reviews, we have a failure on a global requirements update.. | 00:08 |
| thinrichs | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/323883/ | 00:08 |
| thinrichs | One of the doctor driver tests is failing. | 00:08 |
| thinrichs | Error says that it can't find a datasource. | 00:08 |
| thinrichs | I wonder if this has to do with our translation of datasource IDs to names in the API. | 00:09 |
| thinrichs | masahito: I added you as a reviewer since you're most familiar with that code | 00:09 |
| masahito | thinrichs: yap, I'll check it. | 00:10 |
| thinrichs | masahito: great! | 00:10 |
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| thinrichs | ramineni_: One of your patches is failing devstack too, but I couldn't seem to track down the error. | 00:11 |
| thinrichs | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/320306/ | 00:11 |
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| thinrichs | That patch has been ready to merge since last week | 00:12 |
| thinrichs | so I'd be surprised if it had anything to do with the patch | 00:12 |
| ramineni_ | thinrichs: yes , changing to the rabbit driver is not working if started on multhiple nodes | 00:12 |
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| thinrichs | ramineni_: I'd like to hear more on that. | 00:13 |
| thinrichs | #topic status | 00:13 |
| ramineni_ | masahito raised a patch to solve the issue https://review.openstack.org/#/c/321459/ | 00:13 |
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| thinrichs | masahito: I had a question on that patch similar to ramineni's… | 00:13 |
| thinrichs | That patch assigns a different partition to every DSENode, right? | 00:14 |
| masahito | yes | 00:14 |
| thinrichs | Doesn't that stop them from communicating? They'd all be listening on different topics. | 00:14 |
| masahito | yes | 00:15 |
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| ramineni_ | thinrichs: ya, i think policies must be synchronized across nodes? | 00:16 |
| ekcs | policy synch is done via DB which is independent. | 00:16 |
| ramineni_ | ekcs: datasource policies are not synchrnozed via DB | 00:16 |
| ramineni_ | ekcs: they are stored in mem right, not sure about the reason of not storing in DB in code | 00:17 |
| ekcs | ramineni_: can you clarify what datasource policies need DSE2 to sync? | 00:18 |
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| thinrichs | masahito: so when we write a script that creates multiple DSENodes, we need to feed them all the same partition_id, right? | 00:18 |
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| thinrichs | masahito: (in a multi-node deployment where say the policy engine runs in one DseNode and the datasources run in a separate DseNode) | 00:20 |
| masahito | thinrichs: with multiple PolicyEngine? | 00:20 |
| masahito | oh | 00:20 |
| masahito | in that case, yes. | 00:20 |
| masahito | I forgot that usecase. | 00:20 |
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| ramineni_ | ekcs: this is the bug we have now | 00:21 |
| ramineni_ | https://bugs.launchpad.net/congress/+bug/1585975 | 00:21 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1585975 in congress "Fails to start replica on rabbit bus" [Undecided,New] - Assigned to Masahito Muroi (muroi-masahito) | 00:21 |
| ekcs | adding to what thinrichs is asking, sometimes we want multiple nodes to be on the same partition, sometimes we don’t. I wonder how we should control that. Right now it seems the patch is taking the node_id as partition_id. it’d be nice is we can separately specify partition_id, with default being all same partiiton. | 00:21 |
| masahito | But I'm not sure we allow users to deploy Congress multiple DseNode with one PE now. | 00:21 |
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| thinrichs | I'm confused why it matters how many PEs there are. | 00:22 |
| ramineni_ | PE1 and PE2 maintian their own datasource policies in memeory , | 00:23 |
| masahito | I understand the reason of ramineni_'s and thinrichs's questions. | 00:23 |
| thinrichs | Maybe I'm missing something, so let me lay this out. | 00:23 |
| thinrichs | Suppose we want PE to run on machine1 and all the datasources to run on machine2. | 00:23 |
| thinrichs | Then on machine 1 we create a DseNode, and spin up the PE. | 00:24 |
| thinrichs | And on machine 2 we create a DseNode and spin up all the datasources | 00:24 |
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| thinrichs | The way those 2 DseNodes communicate is via oslo-messaging, which means the DseNodes need to be talking on the same topic. | 00:24 |
| thinrichs | So that would require them to be given the same partition_id | 00:24 |
| thinrichs | Right? | 00:24 |
| masahito | right. | 00:24 |
| thinrichs | Today we don't have a mechanism/script for deploying that way, so it shouldn't be a problem. | 00:25 |
| thinrichs | I would imagine this bug is due to the fact that the replica SHOULD be assigned a separate partition but it is not. | 00:25 |
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| ekcs | thinrichs: yes. | 00:26 |
| masahito | yes | 00:26 |
| thinrichs | ramineni_: does that sound right? | 00:26 |
| ramineni_ | thinrichs: confused :( if its assigned seperate partition they cant listen on same topic right | 00:27 |
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| ramineni_ | In case of HA we would want to listen on same topic , so that any policy engine can serve the requests | 00:28 |
| thinrichs | ramineni_: the replica is intended to be a totally separate instance of Congress … | 00:28 |
| thinrichs | that does not communicate with the other version of Congress EXCEPT by synchronizing with the DB. | 00:28 |
| thinrichs | ramineni_: We're not that far along yet. Masahito's change is intended to just fix the existing HA test, not implement the HA/HT arch that ekcs is working on | 00:28 |
| thinrichs | In effect, we want to handle 2 different use-cases for DseNode: | 00:29 |
| thinrichs | (i) creating a new "root" DseNode that is isolated from all other "root" DseNodes | 00:30 |
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| thinrichs | (ii) creating a new DseNode that communicates with an existing "root" DseNode | 00:30 |
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| ramineni_ | thinrichs: oh ok, got it | 00:30 |
| thinrichs | masahito: does your change allow us to do both use-cases? | 00:31 |
| masahito | no | 00:32 |
| masahito | It allows only (i) | 00:32 |
| masahito | I think we need additional works for (ii) | 00:32 |
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| thinrichs | I guess what we want is for the eventlet_server to take an argument that is the name of the DseNode partition | 00:33 |
| ekcs | I think it’d be clearer to make it an explicit option to specify a different partition_id, rather than using the node_id as partition_id. Then we can also build on that to support (ii). but I’m also okay with this as a quick fix for now. | 00:33 |
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| thinrichs | ekcs: agreed | 00:33 |
| thinrichs | I'd also like us to get a multi-node version of Congress working (the non-replicated kind) | 00:34 |
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| thinrichs | and have scripts/code/something so that we can arrange multiple DseNodes to implement the different HA/HT architectures we're designing | 00:34 |
| thinrichs | That is, we should do some testing that multiple DseNodes on different machines actually works. | 00:35 |
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| thinrichs | And have a tempest test or two that spins up a multi-node version of Congress and runs tests | 00:37 |
| masahito | make sense | 00:37 |
| thinrichs | That seems like the next milestone for the dist-arch | 00:37 |
| thinrichs | Once that's working, we can begin adding the code for HA/HT | 00:38 |
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| ramineni_ | yes | 00:38 |
| ekcs | thinrichs: agreed. | 00:38 |
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| thinrichs | We do have the script in scripts/start_process.py that was intended to start up several DseNodes | 00:38 |
| thinrichs | That was written before we had DseNode, so it'll require some tweaking or rewriting | 00:39 |
| thinrichs | But it's worth looking through at the very least, since I know it underwent several rounds of iteration | 00:39 |
| ekcs | got it. | 00:39 |
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| thinrichs | Anyone want to spearhead writing the tempest-tests? | 00:40 |
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| ramineni_ | thinrichs: i will look into it | 00:42 |
| thinrichs | ramineini_: great! Pull us in as you need to. | 00:42 |
| ramineni_ | sure | 00:42 |
| thinrichs | I'd even start by spinning up 2-3 processes on a single machine, where each process has its own DseNode. | 00:43 |
| thinrichs | That could be the first tempest test. | 00:43 |
| thinrichs | I don't know if tempest supports multi-node stuff, so that may be the only test. | 00:44 |
| thinrichs | The script start_process.py was designed for the multi-process, single-node case. | 00:44 |
| ramineni_ | yes, thats what im thinking too | 00:44 |
| ramineni_ | current HA test starts 2 processes with different node id currently | 00:44 |
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| thinrichs | ramineni_: perfect—so we have a model to start from | 00:46 |
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| thinrichs | 15 minutes left. Let's discuss HA/HT. | 00:46 |
| thinrichs | #topic High availability and throughput | 00:46 |
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| thinrichs | ekcs: how's that discussion going? | 00:46 |
| ekcs | Good. I reworked HA spec with more details on the issues people are concerned about. Thanks to all the feedback, I think we're converging toward supporting active-active replication with symmetric nodes in the first phase. Please comment if you think we should take a different approach! | 00:47 |
| ekcs | #link: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/318383/ | 00:47 |
| ekcs | I will be filling in the smaller details this week. | 00:47 |
| ramineni_ | I understand from spec that we are going for active-active for PE and active-passive for datasources node right? | 00:48 |
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| ekcs | ramineni_: right. | 00:48 |
| thinrichs | And then what for action execution? Leader election of some sort | 00:50 |
| ramineni_ | ekcs: but currently concentrating on all processes on signle node? | 00:50 |
| ekcs | thinrichs: yes. not sure there is a consensus between local leader and global leader. | 00:50 |
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| ekcs | ramineni_: All services (PE, API, DSDs) in one single process node. Replicate that node N times, but disable DSDs on non-leaders. | 00:52 |
| thinrichs | ekcs: "disable DSDs" means stop them from polling as well as taking them off the bus? | 00:52 |
| ekcs | thinrichs: yes. | 00:53 |
| ekcs | ramineni_: nodes will likely be repliacted across different hosts. | 00:53 |
| ekcs | ramineni_: up to the deployer but that’s something we need to support. | 00:54 |
| ramineni_ | ok | 00:54 |
| ramineni_ | this leader election only for action requests? | 00:55 |
| thinrichs | The crucial bit there seems to be ensuring that (a) Pacemaker pushes leader election info into Congress correctly and (b) Congress properly disables DSDs on non-leaders. | 00:55 |
| ekcs | ramineni_: leader election needed also for disabling DSDs on non-leaders. | 00:55 |
| thinrichs | Do we know how Pacemaker picks a leader and how non-leaders find out they're non-leaders? | 00:56 |
| ekcs | thinrichs: yes. | 00:56 |
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| thinrichs | (Running short on time.) | 00:56 |
| thinrichs | ekcs: how | 00:56 |
| thinrichs | ? | 00:56 |
| ramineni_ | ekcs : i thought on other nodes we could start only API and PE not datasources | 00:56 |
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| ekcs | thinrichs: We write custom scripts called (resource agents) that Pacemaker calls to promote and demote. | 00:57 |
| ramineni_ | like proposed in this patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/307693/ | 00:57 |
| ekcs | those script can make API calls to tell a node to be leader | 00:57 |
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| thinrichs | ekcs: so basically we'll need to add API calls that tell a DseNode to disable its datasources and to enable its action-execution | 00:57 |
| thinrichs | That seems straightforward | 00:58 |
| ekcs | yes. pacemaker picks a leader based on underlying clustering as wel as different weigts you can cinfugure. | 00:58 |
| ekcs | underlying clustering provided by corosync or another service. | 00:58 |
| ramineni_ | ekcs: i think im confused on the leader approach, i will add my questions on the spec | 00:59 |
| thinrichs | Think that seems good to me. Only downside I can see is that we're taking a dependency on Pacemaker even if the user doesn't need action-execution. Without action-execution, we can get by without leader election. | 00:59 |
| ramineni_ | ekcs: thanks for the very detailed spec, thats realy helpful :) | 00:59 |
| ekcs | ramineni_: yes that’s what we started out with. but then evolved to a new proposal. the spec discusses and compares both. look forward to your questions and comments! | 00:59 |
| ekcs | thinrichs: yes. In the assymmetric node approach we don’t need global leader period. but is morecomplex in other ways. | 01:00 |
| thinrichs | But this way we'll support full functionality out of the box with HA/HT. | 01:00 |
| ekcs | on the other hand, Pacemaker is essentially required and leader election comes at low marginal cost. | 01:00 |
| ekcs | once you’ve set up pacemaker. | 01:01 |
| thinrichs | We can provide an alternative deployment as an option later (e.g. for if you need HT datasources or don't need action-execution) | 01:01 |
| thinrichs | Out of time for today. | 01:01 |
| thinrichs | Thanks all! | 01:01 |
| thinrichs | #endmeeting | 01:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 2 01:01:36 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 01:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2016/congressteammeeting.2016-06-02-00.05.html | 01:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2016/congressteammeeting.2016-06-02-00.05.txt | 01:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2016/congressteammeeting.2016-06-02-00.05.log.html | 01:01 |
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| katomo | #startmeeting OpenStack I18n Meeting | 06:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 2 06:00:27 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is katomo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 06:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 06:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: OpenStack I18n Meeting)" | 06:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_i18n_meeting' | 06:00 |
| katomo | anyone here? | 06:00 |
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| zhurong | 0/ | 06:08 |
| katomo | hi | 06:08 |
| katomo | Daisy: is here? | 06:08 |
| Daisy | Yes | 06:09 |
| katomo | okay, we have 3 attendee | 06:09 |
| ujuc | 0/ | 06:09 |
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| katomo | hi ujuc | 06:09 |
| Daisy | including you, we have 4. :) | 06:09 |
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| katomo | let's start | 06:10 |
| Daisy | ok | 06:10 |
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| katomo | #topic bug squash | 06:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "bug squash (Meeting topic: OpenStack I18n Meeting)" | 06:10 | |
| katomo | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-i18n/ | 06:10 |
| katomo | we have 16 open bugs | 06:10 |
| katomo | Daisy: 7 are simplified-chinese bugs. can you take a look at? | 06:11 |
| Daisy | ok. katomo. I will do that. | 06:11 |
| katomo | ujuc: there are 2 korean bugs | 06:12 |
| katomo | thanks, Daisy | 06:12 |
| ujuc | um! | 06:12 |
| ujuc | ok :) | 06:12 |
| katomo | thanks | 06:12 |
| katomo | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-i18n/+bug/1586041 | 06:13 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1586041 in openstack i18n "Incorrect PO-Revision-Date in some translation files for aodh project" [Undecided,New] | 06:13 |
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| katomo | "Incorrect PO-Revision-Date in some translation files for aodh project" | 06:13 |
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| katomo | aga. | 06:13 |
| katomo | bot echoed :) | 06:13 |
| katomo | I don't have a solution | 06:14 |
| katomo | can anyone take a look? | 06:14 |
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| Daisy | aeng: can you help ? | 06:14 |
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| amotoki | before it was filed I was asked in -i18n channel and reported it to the ml, but there is no response. | 06:14 |
| aeng | katomo, whats the issue? | 06:14 |
| amotoki | I haven't investigated the detail too. | 06:14 |
| katomo | hi amotoki | 06:14 |
| Daisy | amotoki: is it a problem of Zanata ? | 06:15 |
| amotoki | not sure | 06:15 |
| Daisy | I mean, a config issue of Zanata ? | 06:15 |
| katomo | I checked a little, but I can find a cause...... | 06:15 |
| katomo | * cannot | 06:15 |
| ianychoi | sorry for coming late :) | 06:15 |
| Daisy | aeng: https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-i18n/+bug/1586041 | 06:15 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1586041 in openstack i18n "Incorrect PO-Revision-Date in some translation files for aodh project" [Undecided,New] | 06:15 |
| katomo | hi ianychoi | 06:15 |
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| ianychoi | hi katomo! | 06:15 |
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| * aeng looking | 06:16 | |
| Daisy | Thank you, aeng | 06:16 |
| katomo | aeng: thanks | 06:16 |
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| katomo | any other bugs to discuss? | 06:18 |
| aeng | hmmm..... yes, empty PO-Revision-Date | 06:18 |
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| Daisy | katomo: I don't have. | 06:19 |
| katomo | hm | 06:19 |
| aeng | how those translation got into Zanata? | 06:20 |
| aeng | is it translated in Zanata? | 06:20 |
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| Daisy | aeng: I think it's in the header of po file. | 06:23 |
| ianychoi | Hmm... when we download po files from Zanata, its header says "X-Generator: Zanata 3.7.3\n" | 06:23 |
| Daisy | aeng: look at http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/aodh/tree/aodh/locale/zh_CN/LC_MESSAGES/aodh.po | 06:23 |
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| Daisy | katomo: any other topics today ? | 06:27 |
| katomo | I don't have | 06:27 |
| aeng | ok, i will need more time to look at it | 06:27 |
| aeng | will update you guys | 06:27 |
| amotoki | oh... no topic is used :) | 06:27 |
| Daisy | Thank you, aeng | 06:27 |
| katomo | thanks | 06:27 |
| katomo | #topic open discussions | 06:28 |
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| ianychoi | Thanks | 06:28 |
| katomo | any topic? | 06:28 |
| ianychoi | Meeting time? | 06:28 |
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| katomo | yeah | 06:28 |
| Daisy | katomo: I wonder if we need some guidances for new translators to guide them how to show their contributions in stacklytis. | 06:29 |
| katomo | Daisy: good point | 06:29 |
| Daisy | I don't know the specific steps to show a translator contribution in stackalytics | 06:29 |
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| Daisy | does the translator need to do nothing ? | 06:29 |
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| ianychoi | #link http://docs.openstack.org/developer/i18n/translation_stats.html#stackalytics | 06:29 |
| ianychoi | amotoki updated :) | 06:30 |
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| aeng | i think at the moment, its still using the user- list | 06:30 |
| aeng | so probably thats all they need to do.. update the list | 06:30 |
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| amotoki | ianychoi: thanks | 06:30 |
| Daisy | Thank you, ianychoi. Very useful. | 06:30 |
| Daisy | thank you, amotoki | 06:30 |
| katomo | Also, we need to update the traslators list manually.... | 06:30 |
| amotoki | FYI: stackalytics stats is now fixed. | 06:31 |
| aeng | Awesome! | 06:31 |
| ianychoi | :) | 06:31 |
| katomo | new version of Zanata doesn't work at now.... | 06:31 |
| katomo | amotoki: great | 06:31 |
| amotoki | katomo: could you elaborate more? | 06:31 |
| aeng | new version of Zanata? | 06:31 |
| amotoki | new version of zanata/ | 06:32 |
| amotoki | s|/|?| | 06:32 |
| ianychoi | When can we see newer version of Zanata (e.g., 3.9.0) on translate-dev.openstack.org? | 06:32 |
| katomo | we have a plan to upgrade Zanata | 06:32 |
| aeng | i think infra team has planned for it | 06:32 |
| katomo | to get the translators list with email for Stackalytics | 06:32 |
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| katomo | right? | 06:32 |
| aeng | katomo, correct with latest version of Zanata | 06:33 |
| amotoki | why do we need email for Stackalytics? | 06:33 |
| katomo | It needs java 8, but our infra does not provide java 8 because of ubuntu 14.04 | 06:34 |
| aeng | yup, so they are working on that | 06:34 |
| katomo | so, we need to wait ubuntu 16.04, IIRC. | 06:34 |
| katomo | yep | 06:34 |
| katomo | infra team need more time | 06:34 |
| katomo | ianychoi: I will email about meeting time | 06:35 |
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| ianychoi | Aha... I see. In fact AFAIK only zanata user IDs are used in Stackalytics (no email) | 06:35 |
| aeng | alright.. might have found the problem with empty PO-Revision-Date | 06:36 |
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| katomo | later to be fair for folks in other timezones | 06:36 |
| katomo | aeng: hmmm | 06:36 |
| aeng | might be a bug with Zanata | 06:36 |
| amotoki | what are we talking about now? | 06:36 |
| amotoki | Zanata? meeting time? | 06:37 |
| aeng | but if translations is being updated manually in Zanata, the PO-Revision-Date will be updated accordingly | 06:37 |
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| katomo | amotoki: empty PO-Revision-Date :) | 06:37 |
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| aeng | i will check and update the ticket | 06:38 |
| katomo | I think finished talk about zanata and meeting time | 06:38 |
| aeng | :) | 06:38 |
| ianychoi | +1 | 06:38 |
| amotoki | katomo: thanks. i would suggest to use 'topic' from the next meeting. | 06:38 |
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| amotoki | Re email, IMO we should not expose email addresses thru API unless we use it. | 06:38 |
| Daisy | aeng: how long do you need to fix the issue? Do you suggest a by pass method to resolve this issue ? | 06:38 |
| aeng | workaround... update the translations manually at the moment in Zanata | 06:39 |
| katomo | amotoki: topic "open discussions" is too broad : | 06:39 |
| Daisy | aeng: I don't think the bug reporter can wait for the upgrade of Zanata. | 06:39 |
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| aeng | hmmmm | 06:39 |
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| katomo | Daisy: I agree | 06:39 |
| aeng | alright... let me get more details out and update the tickets | 06:39 |
| Daisy | aeng: what do you mean by updating manually? Updating a translation ? | 06:39 |
| aeng | Daisy, yes | 06:39 |
| aeng | not all translations.. just 1 in each file | 06:40 |
| aeng | so just update 1 translations in each document.. that will generate the header correctly | 06:40 |
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| Daisy | ok. katomo I think we can temporarily fix the issue in project aodh. | 06:41 |
| Daisy | aeng: any languages ? | 06:41 |
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| katomo | good news | 06:41 |
| Daisy | aeng: or all languages ? | 06:41 |
| aeng | all languages | 06:41 |
| Daisy | ok. | 06:41 |
| katomo | can you explain the detailed step? | 06:42 |
| katomo | If long, please email later. | 06:42 |
| aeng | so, in summary, in each languages, on each document, just update a translation | 06:43 |
| katomo | on Zanata? | 06:43 |
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| aeng | yes | 06:43 |
| katomo | ahh | 06:43 |
| katomo | it is easy, but many:) | 06:43 |
| aeng | yup... but thats the only workaround right now | 06:44 |
| Daisy | Yeah, katomo. Time consuming. | 06:44 |
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| katomo | okay, I can do it with my admin previledge, and I will do it... | 06:44 |
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| Daisy | Thank you, katomo. | 06:45 |
| Daisy | Only admin have the right to update any languages. | 06:45 |
| katomo | yep | 06:46 |
| katomo | any other topic? | 06:46 |
| Daisy | No from me. | 06:46 |
| aeng | all good from me | 06:46 |
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| amotoki | re topic, let's use etherpad agenda | 06:46 |
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| amotoki | for realtime topic update. | 06:46 |
| katomo | sure | 06:46 |
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| amotoki | you can coordinate various topics and reorg during a meeting :) | 06:47 |
| aeng | +1 | 06:47 |
| katomo | we have a blank page https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/i18n-meeting ! | 06:47 |
| amotoki | blank page @@ | 06:47 |
| aeng | hahah | 06:47 |
| aeng | ready to be filled | 06:47 |
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| aeng | anyways... i gtg now. katomo if you have any question on that workaround.. let me know. | 06:48 |
| aeng | see ya guys | 06:48 |
| katomo | aeng: thanks | 06:48 |
| Daisy | aeng: thank you. | 06:48 |
| katomo | okay, end the meeting | 06:48 |
| amotoki | finally, i have one request. could anyone update the status of documents of openstack-manuals? | 06:48 |
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| katomo | hm | 06:48 |
| amotoki | which manual are ready for translation? i have no information | 06:48 |
| katomo | amotoki: I'll take it. | 06:49 |
| amotoki | for example, doc team is planning to reorg docs. if so there is no meaning to translation such documents. | 06:49 |
| katomo | we have a wiki page, but it is old, I think. | 06:49 |
| amotoki | katomo: thanks. etherpad might work. | 06:49 |
| katomo | yeah | 06:49 |
| amotoki | that's all from me | 06:50 |
| katomo | good. I will use etherpad | 06:50 |
| Daisy | From the home page of Zanata, I see: the installation guide, user guide, api guide. Is the translation plan in home page up to date ? | 06:50 |
| katomo | yeah, it is up to date. | 06:50 |
| Daisy | ok. katomo | 06:50 |
| katomo | okay, thanks to join the meeting, all. | 06:51 |
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| katomo | #endmeeting | 06:51 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 2 06:51:49 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 06:51 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2016/openstack_i18n_meeting.2016-06-02-06.00.html | 06:51 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2016/openstack_i18n_meeting.2016-06-02-06.00.txt | 06:51 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2016/openstack_i18n_meeting.2016-06-02-06.00.log.html | 06:51 |
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| Daisy | Thank you, katomo | 06:52 |
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| masayukig | #startmeeting qa | 09:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 2 09:00:12 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is masayukig. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 09:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 09:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: qa)" | 09:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'qa' | 09:00 |
| masayukig | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/QATeamMeeting#Agenda_for_June_2nd_2016_.280900_UTC.29 | 09:00 |
| masayukig | ^^^^ agenda | 09:00 |
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| masayukig | who's here today? | 09:00 |
| hogepodge | o/ | 09:01 |
| masayukig | hi! hogepodge | 09:01 |
| masayukig | (I was worried about no one is here today :-P) | 09:01 |
| hogepodge | I just happen to be awake. :-D | 09:02 |
| hogepodge | But don't hold a meeting on my account. | 09:02 |
| masayukig | :) | 09:02 |
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| andreaf | o/ | 09:03 |
| hogepodge | hi! andreaf | 09:03 |
| masayukig | andreaf \o/ | 09:03 |
| andreaf | hi | 09:04 |
| andreaf | hogepodge: early start today ;) | 09:04 |
| masayukig | This is the first time to be a chair of qa-meeting for me. So please let me know if you notice something wrong (and don't blame me, please :) | 09:04 |
| hogepodge | andreaf: late finish | 09:05 |
| masayukig | ok, let's move on | 09:05 |
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| masayukig | #topic Specs Reviews | 09:05 |
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| masayukig | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/qa-specs,n,z | 09:05 |
| masayukig | does anyone want to discuss an open spec review? | 09:05 |
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| hogepodge | I'll probably abandon the defcore tags spec, unless there's a reason why we think it would land. | 09:07 |
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| hogepodge | (with changes of course) | 09:07 |
| masayukig | yeah, that seems to be fair | 09:09 |
| masayukig | anything else? | 09:09 |
| hogepodge | In light of the recent TC resolution of requiring defcore tests to be in tempest, it might be nice to have a way to directly identify them, but we have the complete list with ids in the defcore repository | 09:09 |
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| hogepodge | we can move on | 09:11 |
| masayukig | ok, sure | 09:11 |
| masayukig | next topic | 09:11 |
| masayukig | #topic Tempest | 09:11 |
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| masayukig | There's a lot of list on wiki. | 09:12 |
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| andreaf | masayukig: I think that's just the content of the newton priorities, not sure we need to discuss all of them | 09:13 |
| masayukig | andreaf: do you have anything to talk? | 09:13 |
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| masayukig | yeah, I don't think we need to discuss all. | 09:13 |
| andreaf | masayukig: not much really, I'm working on the credential providers atm | 09:13 |
| masayukig | ok, sure. | 09:14 |
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| masayukig | hogepodge: how about negative test guideline? | 09:14 |
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| hogepodge | masayukig: I haven't started on it yet. I wanted to talk with oomichi about how to start | 09:14 |
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| hogepodge | masayukig: where it lives in the repository, and so on | 09:15 |
| masayukig | hogepodge: ok, will you talk in IRC or mail? | 09:15 |
| masayukig | both? | 09:15 |
| hogepodge | masayukig: irc | 09:15 |
| masayukig | cool, thanks :) | 09:15 |
| masayukig | one thing from me about tempest cli | 09:16 |
| masayukig | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/tempest-run-cmd | 09:16 |
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| masayukig | The patch is now under reviewing and good progress. | 09:17 |
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| masayukig | But I think more reviews are very welcome :) | 09:17 |
| masayukig | anything else? | 09:18 |
| andreaf | masayukig: I will add it to my review list | 09:18 |
| masayukig | andreaf: cool! thanks | 09:18 |
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| masayukig | ok, let's move on | 09:19 |
| masayukig | #topic Devstack + Grenade | 09:19 |
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| hogepodge | I gave it a look over, seems like it's making good progress | 09:19 |
| masayukig | hogepodge: tempest run? thanks! | 09:20 |
| hogepodge | yup | 09:20 |
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| masayukig | so, does anyone have topic about Devstack + Grenade? | 09:20 |
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| masayukig | ok, let's move on | 09:22 |
| masayukig | #topic OpenStack-Health | 09:22 |
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| masayukig | so, there are a lot of patches on dashboard https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/openstack-health+status:open | 09:23 |
| masayukig | I think current main topics are "e-r integration", RSS, improving UIs. | 09:24 |
| masayukig | you can use it http://status.openstack.org/openstack-health/#/ . So any feedbacks are welcome. | 09:25 |
| masayukig | But I'm not sure we can implement it, immediately, though. | 09:25 |
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| masayukig | ok, that's all from me. anything else? | 09:25 |
| masayukig | ok, next topic is.. | 09:27 |
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| masayukig | #topic Critical Reviews | 09:27 |
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| masayukig | Does anyone have any reviews they'd like to get extra eyes on? | 09:27 |
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| andreaf | well, it may be not so critical, but I'd like reviews on https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bug/1494293+status:+open | 09:28 |
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| masayukig | andreaf: oh, you just pushed them :) | 09:28 |
| andreaf | masayukig: yes there was one last issue which I fixed, so they should be ready for review | 09:29 |
| masayukig | andreaf: sure, I just added me as a reviewer :) I'll take a look tomorrow. | 09:29 |
| andreaf | masayukig: I would very much like to get the test accounts part out of experimental, so this is also part of it | 09:30 |
| andreaf | masayukig: thanks | 09:30 |
| masayukig | :) | 09:30 |
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| masayukig | so, I actually have one. | 09:30 |
| masayukig | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/324262/ | 09:31 |
| masayukig | "[RFC] Deprecate run_tests.sh" | 09:31 |
| masayukig | I'm not sure we already have a talk about like this, though. | 09:31 |
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| masayukig | I think we don't need run_tests.sh script.. | 09:33 |
| andreaf | masayukig: I agree we don't need it | 09:33 |
| andreaf | masayukig: but if you want to make it a real deprecation we should emit the warning but keep the script | 09:34 |
| masayukig | yeah, so, I'm not sure we should keep it. Because it is only used by developers not tempest users. | 09:35 |
| andreaf | masayukig: not sure we need deprecation, but I think people may be using this in their workflow to run actual tempest tests, so maybe it would be good to go through deprecation | 09:35 |
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| masayukig | andreaf: thanks for your comment. could you put it in the gerrit? | 09:36 |
| andreaf | masayukig: sure | 09:36 |
| masayukig | andreaf: thanks! | 09:36 |
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| masayukig | so, anything else? | 09:36 |
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| masayukig | ok, let's move on | 09:37 |
| masayukig | #topic QA mid-cycle meetup | 09:37 |
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| masayukig | I think oomichi is now arranging about this now. does anyone have any topics about this? | 09:37 |
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| masayukig | ok, I hope the place and date will be decided soon. | 09:40 |
| andreaf | very quiet meeting today :) | 09:40 |
| masayukig | yeah, super fast | 09:40 |
| masayukig | #topic Open Discussion | 09:40 |
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| masayukig | do you have anything to discuss? | 09:40 |
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| andreaf | not from my side | 09:42 |
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| masayukig | ok :) | 09:43 |
| masayukig | that's it? | 09:43 |
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| andreaf | we can all save 15min+ | 09:43 |
| andreaf | :) | 09:44 |
| masayukig | yay! | 09:44 |
| masayukig | start to count down to the end of meeting | 09:44 |
| masayukig | 5 | 09:44 |
| masayukig | 4 | 09:44 |
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| masayukig | 2 | 09:44 |
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| masayukig | #endmeeting | 09:44 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 2 09:44:45 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 09:44 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2016/qa.2016-06-02-09.00.html | 09:44 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2016/qa.2016-06-02-09.00.txt | 09:44 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2016/qa.2016-06-02-09.00.log.html | 09:44 |
| masayukig | thanks all :) | 09:44 |
| andreaf | thank you for hosting today | 09:45 |
| masayukig | :) | 09:45 |
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| hogepodge | thank you masayukig | 09:47 |
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| masayukig | o/ | 09:48 |
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| mriedem | #startmeeting nova | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 2 14:00:11 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mriedem. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova' | 14:00 |
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| ametts | o/ | 14:00 |
| scottda | hi | 14:00 |
| rlrossit | o/ | 14:00 |
| hshiina | o/ | 14:00 |
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| dansmith | ohai | 14:00 |
| bauzas | \o | 14:00 |
| mriedem | #link agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Nova | 14:00 |
| gibi | o/ | 14:01 |
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| mriedem | missing some people but i don't want to ping, so let's get started | 14:01 |
| mriedem | #topic release news | 14:01 |
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| mriedem | #link Newton release schedule: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/Newton_Release_Schedule | 14:01 |
| mriedem | #info June 2 (today): newton-1, non-priority spec approval freeze | 14:01 |
| sdague | o/ | 14:02 |
| mriedem | so today is going to be n-1, i or bauzas will push that up to the releases repo after this meeting | 14:02 |
| mriedem | today is also the last day before non-priority spec approval freeze | 14:02 |
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| mriedem | so i plan on spending what time i have in between meetings doing spec reviews on things that are already close to being approved | 14:02 |
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| mriedem | any questions about that? | 14:03 |
| bauzas | what are we doing at the end of that day ? :) | 14:03 |
| mriedem | #topic bugs | 14:03 |
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| bauzas | stop accepting specs for those which aren't prio ? :) | 14:03 |
| mriedem | bauzas: i thought about that yesterday, in the past we haven't -2d anything i don't think | 14:03 |
| bauzas | sorry for rushing into an open door... | 14:03 |
| mriedem | bauzas: yeah i think it's just the nova-specs core team stops approving things | 14:03 |
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| mriedem | procedural -2 on 100+ specs isn't going to be fun | 14:04 |
| PaulMurray | o/ | 14:04 |
| mriedem | we just stop approving | 14:04 |
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| markus_z | #info no criticals, 43 untriaged bugs | 14:04 |
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| bauzas | mriedem: I'm fine with that, we can still review, just preventing those to be merged | 14:05 |
| markus_z | bauzas solved the one crit from Monday | 14:05 |
| mriedem | oslo.i18n something or other? | 14:05 |
| mriedem | i saw that in the ML | 14:05 |
| bauzas | not really | 14:05 |
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| bauzas | a cinderclient | 14:05 |
| sdague | mriedem: it's going to be super hard to find the specs that are still active if there isn't some review marking on them | 14:05 |
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| bauzas | cinderclient was just redefining the locales :) | 14:05 |
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| mriedem | sdague: do you have any suggestions besides global -2? | 14:06 |
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| sdague | mriedem: nope | 14:06 |
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| mriedem | once we get the specs repo setup for ocata then people can move them | 14:06 |
| mriedem | but historically that doesn't happen until after the midcycle | 14:06 |
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| sdague | danpb has a review up for it already | 14:07 |
| mriedem | fwiw i'm fine with blanket -2 until ocata specs open up | 14:07 |
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| sdague | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/324397/ | 14:07 |
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| dansmith | people can submit against ocata without any sort of formal opening | 14:07 |
| mriedem | so filter out open specs which aren't in the specs/newton/approved dir | 14:08 |
| mriedem | in gerrit | 14:08 |
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| * bauzas shrugs | 14:08 | |
| dansmith | after today, | 14:08 |
| sdague | mriedem: sure, that's fine. | 14:08 |
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| dansmith | we're mostly going to be doing targeted reviews of specs that are for prios, right? | 14:08 |
| mriedem | yes | 14:08 |
| dansmith | so I would expect that means that: | 14:08 |
| mriedem | which is why i'm not really concerned | 14:08 |
| dansmith | we don't go trolling through gerrit looking for them, | 14:08 |
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| dansmith | but instead are using a prio list or pings from subteam people to get those things reviewed | 14:09 |
| mriedem | dansmith: yes that's what i expect | 14:09 |
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| mriedem | if they are priority they will be brought up | 14:09 |
| dansmith | so -2ing them doesn't seem that important as long as we have consistent understanding across reviewers | 14:09 |
| mriedem | in other words, i'm not goin to be looking for things in nova-specs until ocata opens up | 14:09 |
| dansmith | aye | 14:09 |
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| sdague | ok | 14:09 |
| bauzas | we can just -2 and ask the subteam to claim un--2'ing if they think it's a prio | 14:09 |
| mriedem | people can move them to ocata, but i don't want them thinking they can ping for reviews | 14:10 |
| dansmith | bauzas: that's the opposite of what I just said i think | 14:10 |
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| bauzas | either way, I'm not super convinced, your call | 14:10 |
| mriedem | how about we table it for after the meeting and i'll send the decision to the dev list afterward? | 14:10 |
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| mriedem | #action mriedem to send an email to the dev list about what people should do or expect with non-priority specs that missed the deadline for newton | 14:11 |
| mriedem | so bugs :) | 14:11 |
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| mriedem | 43 is quite a few new untriaged bugs | 14:11 |
| sdague | 46 | 14:12 |
| mriedem | that list is better <20 | 14:12 |
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| mriedem | #help need help with bug triage https://goo.gl/sB9QgZ | 14:12 |
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| mriedem | but nothing holding up n-1 | 14:13 |
| mriedem | so we'll still do that today | 14:13 |
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| mriedem | gate status seems to be ok | 14:13 |
| bauzas | it was a bit funky by monday | 14:13 |
| mriedem | http://status.openstack.org//elastic-recheck/data/uncategorized.html is mostly unusable now | 14:13 |
| bauzas | folks, just don't take vacations | 14:13 |
| mriedem | :( | 14:13 |
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| mriedem | third party ci status - any news from anyone here? | 14:14 |
| mriedem | i saw something in the ML about nfv ci | 14:14 |
| mriedem | failing shelve tests | 14:14 |
| mriedem | jaypipes: did anyone make any progress on sorting that out? i saw the tests were just disabled | 14:14 |
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| bauzas | citrix CI was a bit unhappy too, but that seems to be solved | 14:14 |
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| mriedem | alright, anyway, sounds like a legit bug that the intel NFV CI found | 14:15 |
| mriedem | with cpu pinning and shelve/unshelve | 14:15 |
| * mriedem hopes someone that cares about that is working on a fix | 14:15 | |
| mriedem | #topic reminders | 14:16 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "reminders (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:16 | |
| mriedem | #link Newton review focus list: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-nova-priorities-tracking | 14:16 |
| mriedem | We have 73 approved blueprints: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/newton - 7 are completed, 9 have not started, 3 are blocked | 14:16 |
| lbeliveau | I know moshele wanted to have a look, I guess we'll take care of it | 14:16 |
| mriedem | lbeliveau: ok | 14:16 |
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| mriedem | so we have a lot of approved blueprints already - keep that in mind before requesting exceptions | 14:17 |
| mriedem | nova-specs cores: when you approve a spec, remember to approve the blueprint in launchpad; blueprint owners: ping someone from the nova-specs core team if you have a spec approved but the blueprint is not yet approved. | 14:17 |
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| mriedem | i've noticed several specs that are approved but the bits in LP aren't adjusted like the target series or marking it approved, those things generally get sorted out when reviewing the code, but it'd be better to avoid that | 14:17 |
| mriedem | #help https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/BugTriage#Weekly_bug_skimming_duty Volunteers for 1 week of bug skimming duty? | 14:18 |
| mriedem | looks like we have people for this week and next | 14:18 |
| diga | mriedem: Hi, I have registered new BP - https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/display-host-hypervisor-numa-topology | 14:18 |
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| mriedem | diga: this isn't the time to bring that up | 14:18 |
| mriedem | wait for open discussion | 14:18 |
| diga | okay | 14:18 |
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| mriedem | moving on | 14:19 |
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| mriedem | #topic stable branch status | 14:19 |
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| mriedem | #info We'll be pushing a release request for liberty and mitaka today or early next week. Ping someone from the nova-stable-maint team if you need to get something into that release. | 14:19 |
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| mriedem | i'll probably do a pass through stable branch reviews tomorrow | 14:20 |
| mriedem | there are a few for liberty | 14:20 |
| mriedem | there are a lot for mitaka | 14:20 |
| mriedem | but we can begin -2ing liberty things that aren't security or critical regressions | 14:20 |
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| mriedem | #topic subteam highlights | 14:20 |
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| mriedem | alaski: any highlights from the cells v2 meeting? | 14:21 |
| alaski | not much to note this week. work is progressing on multiple fronts | 14:21 |
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| alaski | mostly around db migrations | 14:21 |
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| mriedem | ok, good | 14:21 |
| mriedem | anything else? | 14:21 |
| alaski | there was talk of proposing a change to instance tags | 14:21 |
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| alaski | but that's not up yet | 14:22 |
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| alaski | that's it | 14:22 |
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| mriedem | ok, thanks | 14:22 |
| mriedem | edleafe: highlights from the scheduler meeting? | 14:22 |
| dansmith | alaski: not much to note? the patches to move inventory to the api db merged | 14:22 |
| dansmith | that was like almost then end of me, frustration-wise :D | 14:22 |
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| alaski | dansmith: it wasn't mentioned in the meeting though, so it didn't count :) | 14:23 |
| bauzas | dansmith: we should see what's next to review :) | 14:23 |
| bauzas | alaski: I did :p | 14:23 |
| dansmith | alaski: but I was pulled off on something else and couldn't! but but! | 14:23 |
| bauzas | alaski: but you didn't followed up | 14:23 |
| alaski | bauzas: ahh, okay | 14:23 |
| mriedem | so much love and thanks to dansmith for a herculian effort there | 14:24 |
| alaski | dansmith: it was a huge step forward, yes | 14:24 |
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| mriedem | was there a scheduler meeting this week? | 14:24 |
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| mriedem | cdent: edleafe: bauzas: jaypipes: ? | 14:24 |
| bauzas | mriedem: yup | 14:24 |
| diana_clarke | edleafe is at pycon | 14:24 |
| cdent | I was not in attendance (monday holiday) | 14:25 |
| mriedem | bauzas: anything you want to mention? | 14:25 |
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| mriedem | i saw cdent's email in the dev list about sticky wickets | 14:25 |
| bauzas | mriedem: oh no, nevermind, my brain confused me | 14:25 |
| mriedem | haven't read the full response from jay | 14:25 |
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| bauzas | monday was a day off | 14:25 |
| mriedem | ok, moving on then | 14:26 |
| bauzas | for UK and US + pytohn | 14:26 |
| bauzas | pycon | 14:26 |
| cdent | mriedem: we figured out more stick wickets yesterday in conversation with the ever suffering dansmith | 14:26 |
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| cdent | jay has a summarizing email in progress (he said earlier today) | 14:26 |
| mriedem | ok | 14:26 |
| dansmith | I should get an oil painting of myself struggling to hold up the entire world | 14:26 |
| mriedem | baremetal sticky wickets? | 14:26 |
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| mriedem | dansmith: new friday nick is john galt | 14:26 |
| cdent | mriedem: no, the baremetal stuff is yet other wickets | 14:26 |
| dansmith | to match my impression of my heroism | 14:26 |
| dansmith | mriedem: heh, nice | 14:26 |
| mriedem | ok moving on | 14:27 |
| mriedem | PaulMurray: live migration highlights? if there was a meeting | 14:27 |
| PaulMurray | The main talking point was around new version of libvirt not working with gate64 cpu model used in CI | 14:27 |
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| PaulMurray | sdague, tdurakov danpb did something about it | 14:27 |
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| mriedem | yup, should be fixed now, and the nova change was backported to mitaka | 14:27 |
| PaulMurray | since | 14:27 |
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| PaulMurray | There was also a discussion kicked off about state machines | 14:28 |
| sdague | mriedem: the backport still needs to be approved | 14:28 |
| mriedem | sdague: as does the d-g change https://review.openstack.org/#/c/320925/ | 14:28 |
| sdague | it failed unit tests on the first go | 14:28 |
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| mriedem | i haven't gotten to the dev list thread on the state machine thing | 14:29 |
| PaulMurray | there is a spec by tangchen | 14:29 |
| PaulMurray | proposing a state machine for migration status | 14:29 |
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| PaulMurray | I think the conclusions is everyone likes the idea | 14:29 |
| PaulMurray | but it needs more thought | 14:30 |
| PaulMurray | and seperation from status given in API | 14:30 |
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| PaulMurray | so spec is not approved as of now | 14:30 |
| mriedem | maybe something for the midcycle | 14:30 |
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| PaulMurray | I think so, worth pursuing | 14:30 |
| PaulMurray | in some form | 14:30 |
| alaski | +1 | 14:30 |
| mriedem | so given the risk and complexity involved, i'm thinking it's a no go for newton, | 14:31 |
| mriedem | discuss at the midcycle in detail, | 14:31 |
| mriedem | then shoot for ocata | 14:31 |
| sdague | mriedem: ++ agree | 14:31 |
| sdague | as we want to make sure we've all thought it through before we potentially change what the users see | 14:31 |
| PaulMurray | that's it (appart from usual progress on image cache backend etc) | 14:31 |
| PaulMurray | I think there are upgrade issues as well that aren't called out | 14:32 |
| mriedem | goody | 14:32 |
| mriedem | ok, thanks paul | 14:32 |
| mriedem | sdague: alex_xu: api meeting highlights? | 14:32 |
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| sdague | the v2 legacy code just got deleted | 14:33 |
| mriedem | \o/ | 14:33 |
| alex_xu | yes \o/ | 14:33 |
| mriedem | oomichi: thanks for working on that | 14:33 |
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| sdague | also we talked about the user_id policy work around quite a bit | 14:34 |
| sdague | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/324068/ is the spec that emerged from that | 14:34 |
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| mriedem | ok, that falls into the priority camp | 14:35 |
| sdague | at slow but steady progress on the api-ref updates - http://burndown.dague.org/ | 14:35 |
| mriedem | so not restricted to the deadline today | 14:35 |
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| sdague | I think that's about it | 14:36 |
| mriedem | ok, and we have consensus on limit/marker specs in the dev list | 14:36 |
| mriedem | so that's good | 14:36 |
| mriedem | and a few approved for adding those | 14:36 |
| sdague | yep | 14:36 |
| mriedem | ok thanks | 14:37 |
| mriedem | lbeliveau: pci/sriov meeting highlights? | 14:37 |
| lbeliveau | we are closing on resize bug https://review.openstack.org/#/c/307124/19 | 14:37 |
| lbeliveau | jaypipes and dansmith are reviewing | 14:37 |
| lbeliveau | cold migration fix was redesigned based on resize patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/242573/21 | 14:37 |
| lbeliveau | that's it | 14:37 |
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| mriedem | ok, let's make sure those are in the newton review priorities etherpad | 14:38 |
| mriedem | thanks for the focus there | 14:38 |
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| mriedem | gibi: notifications meeting highlights? | 14:38 |
| lbeliveau | I'll put them in the etherpad | 14:38 |
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| gibi | so regarding notifications I have 4 things | 14:39 |
| gibi | transformation spec merged, code is under subteam review | 14:39 |
| gibi | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/branch:master+topic:bp/versioned-notification-transformation-newton | 14:39 |
| gibi | json schema generation spec merged in oslo, implementation ongoing | 14:39 |
| gibi | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/318950/ | 14:39 |
| gibi | I've create a wiki listing every notification that needs to be transformed, with some instructions how to get started. | 14:39 |
| gibi | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/VersionedNotificationTransformation | 14:39 |
| gibi | I will post it to ML later today | 14:39 |
| mriedem | gibi: hook up with auggy on that | 14:39 |
| mriedem | sounds like low hanging fruit that can get worked into anything she's doing with mentoring stuff | 14:40 |
| gibi | yes, half of the them are low hanging. I will ping auggy | 14:40 |
| gibi | johnthetubaguy introduced some OSIC people on the subteam meeting. They are eager to help with the transformation. | 14:40 |
| mriedem | ok, cool | 14:40 |
| gibi | and the last thing | 14:41 |
| mriedem | and yeah advertizing in the ML is a good idea | 14:41 |
| gibi | There is one spec close to merge (already has +2) about transforming and enhancing keypair notifications: #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/300942/ Versioned notification for keypairs | 14:41 |
| gibi | besides that notifications are in good shape for n-1 | 14:41 |
| mriedem | gibi: ok, would be good to see +1s from the notifications subteam on that spec | 14:41 |
| gibi | mriedem: ok | 14:42 |
| rlrossit | added myself to take a look later today | 14:42 |
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| mriedem | thanks guys | 14:42 |
| mriedem | #topic stuck reviews | 14:42 |
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| gibi | that's it | 14:42 |
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| mriedem | there was nothing on the agenda for stuck reviews | 14:42 |
| mriedem | there is a thing in the ML about exposing quiesce in the API | 14:43 |
| mriedem | my feeling is that's not going to make newton | 14:43 |
| mriedem | #topic open discussion | 14:43 |
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| lyarwood_ | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/virt-rescue-stable-disk-devices+status:open if people have time but it's really low prio given n-1 | 14:43 |
| * alaski has a thing for open discussion (instance-tags) | 14:43 | |
| mriedem | lyarwood_: was just waiting for push that this whole time | 14:43 |
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| mriedem | s/for/to/ | 14:43 |
| lyarwood_ | mriedem: waiting to hit return ;) | 14:44 |
| mriedem | ok there are things in the agenda so let's hit those first | 14:44 |
| mriedem | Spec libvirt-virtlogd: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/234291/ approval for Newton? Part of the needed change set is already up: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/323759/ | 14:44 |
| mriedem | markus_z: ^ ? | 14:44 |
| markus_z | yep, mine | 14:44 |
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| mriedem | markus_z: i think you can just push a new patch set to address danpb's comment | 14:44 |
| mriedem | should be a quick +W from danpb and sdague then | 14:45 |
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| markus_z | OK, will do that | 14:45 |
| sdague | it also will provide a fix for mikal's 4 year old bug | 14:45 |
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| sdague | so... yay for that | 14:45 |
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| mriedem | Specless BP for ironic trigger crash dump (inject NMI): https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/inject-nmi-ironic (hshiina) | 14:46 |
| mriedem | Nova spec got a comment "this could be specless blueprint." from johnthetubaguy. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/229322/ | 14:46 |
| mriedem | Ironic SPEC got a +2 once, expected to be merged soon. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/186700/ | 14:46 |
| mriedem | so johnthetubaguy probably said specless bp since it's just virt driver feature parity | 14:46 |
| mriedem | i haven't read the spec, looks like it has a dependency on ironic | 14:46 |
| alaski | if it's just implementing an existing virt driver method specless seems appropriate to me | 14:47 |
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| hshiina | yes, just implement driver method | 14:47 |
| mriedem | yeah i'm fine with that - the dependency with ironic is what's going to hold it up | 14:48 |
| mriedem | hshiina: please make sure the blueprint in launchpad shows the dependency on the ironic bp | 14:48 |
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| hshiina | sure | 14:48 |
| mriedem | i'll try to get to that one today to let you know for sure on specless | 14:49 |
| mriedem | next item | 14:49 |
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| mriedem | Specless BP for ironic soft reboot: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/soft-reboot-poweroff (hshiina) | 14:49 |
| mriedem | It depends on the same Ironic SPEC as crash dump one. | 14:49 |
| hshiina | it is a similar one. | 14:49 |
| mriedem | yeah, virt driver feature parity | 14:49 |
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| mriedem | ok, i think that will probably be a trivial specless bp approval | 14:50 |
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| mriedem | just need to add the dep to the ironic bp in launchpad | 14:50 |
| alaski | seems fine to me | 14:50 |
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| hshiina | ok. i will update the BPs | 14:51 |
| mriedem | Specless BP for ironic boot from volume: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/ironic-boot-from-volume (hshiina) | 14:51 |
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| mriedem | This BP can be specless. http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/%23openstack-nova/%23openstack-nova.2015-12-07.log.html#t2015-12-07T11:43:41 | 14:51 |
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| mriedem | "johnthetubaguysmoriya_: we need the ironic spec to merge, before we can approve the blueprint" | 14:52 |
| hshiina | it is another feature. it also depneds on ironic. | 14:52 |
| mriedem | depends on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/200496/ which has a +2 but a couple of -1s | 14:52 |
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| mriedem | hshiina: i think you can consider it soft approved for nova but it's contingent on the ironic spec/bp being approved | 14:53 |
| mriedem | so the code won't land in nova until those happen in ironic | 14:53 |
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| mriedem | i'd expect to also see ironic CI jobs testing these features when they are available | 14:53 |
| mriedem | before we merge the code in nova | 14:53 |
| sdague | and it's not a priority for nova, so the clock is ticking, as it has to be in by N2 | 14:54 |
| mriedem | right | 14:54 |
| mriedem | #action mriedem to go back through hshiina's specless ironic blueprints | 14:54 |
| mriedem | ok, that's it for what's on the agenda, alaski you had something? | 14:54 |
| alaski | yep | 14:54 |
| hshiina | thanks for considering | 14:55 |
| alaski | so while working on cellsv2 I found that instance tags can be set at any point in the instance lifecycle, including before scheduling | 14:55 |
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| alaski | this poses a challenge for cells where there is no actual instance before scheduling | 14:55 |
| alaski | and will pose a later challenge for scheduling work which was planning to rely on instance tags | 14:55 |
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| alaski | these tags are the only thing that can be set on an instance before it reaches an active state, except for lock status | 14:56 |
| diga | mriedem: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/display-host-hypervisor-numa-topology, can we discuss on this ? | 14:56 |
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| alaski | I would like to require active status before allowing tags to be set | 14:56 |
| mriedem | diga: in a sec | 14:56 |
| diga | ok | 14:56 |
| dansmith | alaski: and later maybe allow tags in the boot command itself, right? | 14:57 |
| mriedem | as noted in the cells meeting yesterday, i think we can fix the instance tags thing with a bug fix | 14:57 |
| alaski | dansmith: yes, exactly | 14:57 |
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| mriedem | passing tags on boot is an api change which requires a spec | 14:57 |
| dansmith | I'm +1 on this idea | 14:57 |
| dansmith | yeah | 14:57 |
| mriedem | so separate, but both are good | 14:57 |
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| mtanino | Anyone give me a feedback for this? https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/virt-image-props-boot-override-via-flavor | 14:57 |
| mriedem | but i think we can bug fix the immediate cells blocker | 14:57 |
| dansmith | yep | 14:57 |
| alaski | okay, we'll propose the change then | 14:57 |
| mriedem | the royal we? | 14:58 |
| alaski | heh, yeah | 14:58 |
| mriedem | diga: go | 14:58 |
| diga | okay | 14:58 |
| mriedem | we have <2 minutes | 14:58 |
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| mriedem | diga: it's an api change so it requires a spec | 14:58 |
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| diga | I proposed this BP, but It is something we need in the host details | 14:58 |
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| mriedem | this isn't going to make newton | 14:58 |
| diga | okay | 14:58 |
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| mriedem | diga: all api changes require a spec | 14:59 |
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| diga | okay | 14:59 |
| mriedem | so work on that, but it will be targeted for ocata | 14:59 |
| diga | I will submit the spec | 14:59 |
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| mriedem | thanks | 14:59 |
| diga | sure | 14:59 |
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| eliqiao | mriedem: can we discuss this https://review.openstack.org/#/c/319513/9/specs/newton/approved/libvirt-perf-support.rst | 14:59 |
| mriedem | mtanino: anything with extra specs at this point should be worked with the scheduler subteam | 14:59 |
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| mriedem | because of the host capabilities work that's going on there | 14:59 |
| mriedem | mtanino: i'd suggest getting that as a topic in the nova scheduler subteam meeting agenda | 15:00 |
| mriedem | for next week | 15:00 |
| mriedem | eliqiao: we're out of time | 15:00 |
| mtanino | mriedem: scheduler subteam, thanks for the advice | 15:00 |
| mriedem | let's move to -nova | 15:00 |
| mriedem | thanks everyone | 15:00 |
| mriedem | #endmeeting | 15:00 |
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| eliqiao | okay | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2016/nova.2016-06-02-14.00.html | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2016/nova.2016-06-02-14.00.txt | 15:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2016/nova.2016-06-02-14.00.log.html | 15:00 |
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| emagana | startmeeting networking-guide | 16:00 |
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| emagana | #startmeeting networking-guide | 16:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 2 16:01:09 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is emagana. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: networking-guide)" | 16:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_guide' | 16:01 |
| emagana | Hello All! | 16:01 |
| emagana | Do we have an audience today? | 16:01 |
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| emagana | My report for the record: | 16:03 |
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| emagana | I have updated the guide with DHCP HA details and I am planing to work on the Neutron Architecture details that have been missing for a while. | 16:03 |
| emagana | If we do no have anyone around I will finish the meeting. | 16:04 |
| emagana | I will be available in IRC and email if anyone needs to chat with me and/or any details about the Networking Guide. | 16:05 |
| emagana | #action send a reminder to people about attending this IRC meeting. | 16:05 |
| emagana | #endmeeting | 16:05 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 2 16:05:43 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:05 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_guide/2016/networking_guide.2016-06-02-16.01.html | 16:05 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_guide/2016/networking_guide.2016-06-02-16.01.txt | 16:05 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_guide/2016/networking_guide.2016-06-02-16.01.log.html | 16:05 |
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| Sam-I-Am | hello | 16:10 |
| Sam-I-Am | emagana: moo? | 16:10 |
| Navin | Hi | 16:10 |
| emagana | HI folks.. | 16:10 |
| emagana | I finished the meeting because I did not see anyone around.. | 16:11 |
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| Sam-I-Am | for some reason google cal didnt notify m | 16:11 |
| Sam-I-Am | mr | 16:11 |
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| Sam-I-Am | me | 16:11 |
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| Sam-I-Am | but i fixed it :) | 16:11 |
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| emagana | maybe we can have a chat here quickly... | 16:12 |
| Sam-I-Am | sure | 16:12 |
| Sam-I-Am | whats up? | 16:12 |
| emagana | Anything to report? | 16:12 |
| emagana | I just added my report above | 16:12 |
| Sam-I-Am | i wasn't in the channel, so i cant see it | 16:12 |
| Navin | Is DVR documentation Complete ? I can discuss with Swami and add | 16:12 |
| Sam-I-Am | there's a reasonable amount of new content going into the networking guide, mostly things under 'advanced' | 16:12 |
| Sam-I-Am | however, a lot of these things arent advanced, just additional features... so i'm planning to restructure things a bit | 16:13 |
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| emagana | Sam-I-Am: DO you need help on that? | 16:13 |
| Sam-I-Am | emagana: not really, but i'll probably post an email or update the etherpad | 16:14 |
| emagana | Navin: The best to find out what is missing is by reading what we have and compare it with what it can be done with the latest patches. | 16:14 |
| Navin | ok | 16:14 |
| emagana | Sam-I-Am: yes, use the etherpad.. | 16:15 |
| Navin | I will work on it | 16:15 |
| Sam-I-Am | Navin: yeah, you can check out the dvr scenario in the guide | 16:15 |
| Sam-I-Am | if something doesn't look right, please open a bug | 16:15 |
| Navin | Got it thank U | 16:15 |
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| emagana | feel free to add me as reviewer once you add a patch to the networking guide | 16:16 |
| Sam-I-Am | me too | 16:16 |
| Navin | Anything else you want me to look at ? | 16:16 |
| Sam-I-Am | Navin: whats your specialty? | 16:16 |
| Navin | Thank U | 16:16 |
| emagana | Navin: One thing at the time... | 16:16 |
| Navin | I work in HPE | 16:16 |
| Navin | VXLAN | 16:16 |
| emagana | DVR is a big one... so, let's make sure we cover it properly | 16:17 |
| Navin | Ok | 16:17 |
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| Navin | Ok I will focus on DVR | 16:17 |
| Navin | Do the testing and make sure get documented properly | 16:18 |
| Navin | Put Sam as Reviewer | 16:18 |
| Sam-I-Am | how about dvr+ha? apparently people cant get those to work | 16:18 |
| Navin | OK | 16:19 |
| Navin | I will focus on it | 16:19 |
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| emagana | I need to leave folks.. I was call in a meeting.. | 16:20 |
| Sam-I-Am | emagana: ok | 16:20 |
| Navin | Thank U | 16:20 |
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| Navin | Sam are u still there | 16:20 |
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| Sam-I-Am | Navin: yes | 16:20 |
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| Navin | You asked my area specialization Data Center | 16:21 |
| Sam-I-Am | yeah... | 16:21 |
| Sam-I-Am | just wondering where you could help out outside of dvr | 16:21 |
| Navin | I specialize on DataCenter | 16:21 |
| Navin | and NFV solutions | 16:22 |
| Navin | I Overlay and Underlay .. VXLAN .. L3VTEP GW design | 16:22 |
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| Sam-I-Am | oh, thats cool. we could use docs on that. | 16:22 |
| Navin | I mean to say I work on design of SDN Solution of HPE | 16:22 |
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| Navin | Using Nuage | 16:23 |
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| Navin | Nokia ALU Nuage SDN Solution embraced by HPE as OEM | 16:24 |
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| Navin | So I do design and implmentation | 16:24 |
| Sam-I-Am | cool | 16:25 |
| Sam-I-Am | we have an etherpad of topics we need to add to in the networking guide | 16:25 |
| Navin | I am confident to help in this community in Networking area | 16:25 |
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| Navin | Let me know what Key Topics from your perspective we must have in Openstack Networking Guide | 16:26 |
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| Sam-I-Am | Navin: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/networking-guide | 16:27 |
| Sam-I-Am | take a look at that | 16:27 |
| Navin | Ok Thank U | 16:27 |
| Navin | Sam | 16:27 |
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| Navin | I will finish DVR then | 16:29 |
| Navin | Hi Swami and Sam I will work in DVR | 16:30 |
| Navin | Sorry for typo | 16:30 |
| Navin | I will work on DVR HA | 16:30 |
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| Sam-I-Am | please | 16:31 |
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| Swami | Navin: contact me if you need any reviews on the doc or any information that you need to complete your task | 16:31 |
| Navin | Thank U Swami | 16:31 |
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| Sam-I-Am | Navin: any more questions? | 16:35 |
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| Navin | I am fine thank U Sam | 16:35 |
| Navin | Sam I will focus on DVR then I will move on other ones | 16:36 |
| Sam-I-Am | great. always nice to see people wanting to contribute, especially with complex things like dvr | 16:36 |
| Navin | Surely I can contribute apart from DVR | 16:36 |
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| dougwig | o/ | 21:59 |
| carl_baldwin | hi | 21:59 |
| HenryG | o/ | 22:00 |
| boden | o/ howdy | 22:00 |
| yushiro | hi | 22:00 |
| carl_baldwin | armax is traveling and might not be able to make it. He's asked me to start the meeting. | 22:00 |
| carl_baldwin | #startmeeting neutron_drivers | 22:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 2 22:00:59 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is carl_baldwin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 22:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 22:01 |
| amuller | hiya | 22:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_drivers' | 22:01 |
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| Swami | hi | 22:01 |
| carl_baldwin | So, the marching orders are to continue going through the list of triaged bugs. | 22:01 |
| carl_baldwin | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bugs?field.status%3Alist=Triaged&field.tag=rfe | 22:01 |
| carl_baldwin | Anyone got anything before we start? | 22:02 |
| dougwig | no, let's beat the DLM horse some more. | 22:02 |
| carl_baldwin | Okay, first up is ... | 22:03 |
| carl_baldwin | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1552680 | 22:03 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1552680 in neutron "[RFE] Add support for DLM" [Wishlist,Triaged] - Assigned to John Schwarz (jschwarz) | 22:03 |
| amuller | John added a doc with his plan how to test performance implications of Tooz with different backends | 22:03 |
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| njohnston | o/ | 22:03 |
| dougwig | i see a note about benchmarks, but no data? | 22:03 |
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| amuller | I encourage stakeholders to take a look at the doc and comment before John runs off and burns CPU cycles | 22:03 |
| carl_baldwin | I did not see the doc. Looks like it appeared within the last day. | 22:03 |
| dougwig | ahh, gotcha. | 22:03 |
| amuller | dougwig: it's a plan and a request for comments | 22:04 |
| amuller | before the data :) | 22:04 |
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| carl_baldwin | Okay, so without having reviewed the plan, can we do more than just say "let's review the plan?" | 22:04 |
| amuller | prolly not | 22:04 |
| dougwig | just reviewed and commented. | 22:04 |
| amuller | that was quick =p | 22:05 |
| dougwig | it's a fast read. | 22:05 |
| dougwig | the test will be much more time consuming. :) | 22:05 |
| amuller | seems like the doc is read only | 22:05 |
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| amuller | I'll ask John to enable comments, I find it much easier to add comments on the google doc than on launchpad | 22:05 |
| dougwig | i commented in the bug | 22:05 |
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| amuller | dougwig: the first bullet point in the second group of bullet points is the 'no tooz' option | 22:07 |
| amuller | As I understand it anyway | 22:07 |
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| dougwig | indeed, i read too quickly. | 22:07 |
| carl_baldwin | Ok, let's all review it. Having comments on will be helpful. | 22:08 |
| carl_baldwin | Anything more? | 22:08 |
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| carl_baldwin | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1559978 | 22:09 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1559978 in neutron "[RFE] log segmentation_id over threshold for monitoring" [Wishlist,Triaged] | 22:09 |
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| carl_baldwin | armax summed it up: "as an admin I want to know how many Neutron networks I have left at my disposal before my tenants start complaining that their neutron net-create command failed" | 22:09 |
| carl_baldwin | At least that's the way I understand it. | 22:10 |
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| carl_baldwin | Thoughts? | 22:10 |
| amuller | I think that something like Calico doesn't use segmentation IDs | 22:11 |
| dougwig | seems closely related to liberty's effort for an api to check remaining ips. | 22:11 |
| amuller | so the concern is that an API wouldn't be plugin agnostic | 22:11 |
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| carl_baldwin | I don't think it could be plugin agnostic. | 22:13 |
| amuller | you know, on the other hand this is really only relevant for VLANs | 22:13 |
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| amuller | if you're using tunnels I don't think this RFE is useful or relevant | 22:13 |
| carl_baldwin | Other plugins could somehow report that it is irrelevant. | 22:14 |
| amuller | so if this is specific to VLANs, we could treat it as such, then it becomes easy for any plugin (That uses VLANs) to implement | 22:14 |
| HenryG | yup, like the ip availability issue is not really relevant for IPv6 | 22:14 |
| carl_baldwin | HenryG: what you haven't used the 1.8446744e+19 IPs in your subnet yet? | 22:16 |
| amuller | How would a monitoring system use an API though? | 22:16 |
| amuller | Polling doesn't seem realistic | 22:16 |
| dougwig | don't tell SNMP that. | 22:16 |
| dougwig | a poll period of an hour is likely plenty in this scenario. i don't think the info delivery mechanism is the issue here. | 22:17 |
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| carl_baldwin | amuller: Its always nice when things tell you proactively that they're sick but we don't get a lot of that with monitoring. | 22:17 |
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| carl_baldwin | So, is it worth the effort to design an API? (question posed by armax in bug) | 22:18 |
| dougwig | true, but polling is the LCD of most monitoring systems (and those systems usually provide a common notification mechanism.) i'm not sure we need to reinvent that wheel. | 22:19 |
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| amuller | Would a clear log level at INFO level serve the use case better than an API you'd have to poll? | 22:19 |
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| amuller | that is assuming you run a log aggregator | 22:20 |
| amuller | I think we're discussing solutions to a problem without a well defined user | 22:21 |
| amuller | So how could we design an API | 22:21 |
| amuller | or any other solution | 22:21 |
| amuller | it'd be a guess at best | 22:21 |
| carl_baldwin | Logging something would be very easy. | 22:22 |
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| carl_baldwin | Actually, the rfe originally asked for a log, didn't it? | 22:22 |
| amuller | carl_baldwin: I don't think a patch that adds a log in that event would need to go through the RFE process anyhow | 22:22 |
| amuller | I'd suggest that Miguel takes up a patch that adds logging if he's up for it, and for any further work, Miguel can start a thread on the ML, asking for input from Monasca people | 22:24 |
| HenryG | Why was ip availability not done with INFO logging? | 22:25 |
| carl_baldwin | I don't know. | 22:25 |
| dougwig | i don't think anyone ever suggested it/thought of it. | 22:25 |
| boden | Random thought; if #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/308973/ ever gets approved perhaps it could be implemented as a health check; depending on where/if that spec lands | 22:25 |
| carl_baldwin | We've spent quite a lot of time on this and I don't have strong feelings about any direction. | 22:25 |
| amuller | I thought that ip availability was supposed to be used by Nova at some point | 22:25 |
| dougwig | no, it was an operator request | 22:26 |
| amuller | yeah, but I remember that surfaced as a second use case on the RFE bug / spec | 22:26 |
| HenryG | dougwig: yeah, but what amuller says rings a bell too | 22:26 |
| amuller | carl_baldwin: wasn't this a part of the big deployers team requirements? | 22:27 |
| amuller | to schedule based off IP availability? | 22:27 |
| carl_baldwin | amuller: I think it was for some operators who are already doing something like routed networks on their own. | 22:27 |
| amuller | right | 22:28 |
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| carl_baldwin | But, the real solution with Nova is going to look very different. Possibly leveraging some of that work. | 22:28 |
| carl_baldwin | I sense we're not really getting anywhere on this RFE. | 22:29 |
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| amuller | Go with logging first, solicit more input for any further work? | 22:29 |
| carl_baldwin | Maybe we just suggest moving forward with logging? | 22:29 |
| carl_baldwin | Anyone object? | 22:30 |
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| carl_baldwin | Okay, let's move on... | 22:30 |
| carl_baldwin | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1561824 | 22:31 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1561824 in neutron "[RFE] Enhance BGP Dynamic Routing driver with Quagga suppport" [Wishlist,Triaged] - Assigned to steve (ruansx) | 22:31 |
| carl_baldwin | At this point, with BGP broken out, this one should be contained to the dynamic routing repo. | 22:31 |
| carl_baldwin | Also, BGP already has a pluggable architecture. | 22:31 |
| mickeys | Yes, the intent is to target this for the dynamic routing repo | 22:32 |
| carl_baldwin | Any reason not to approve it? | 22:32 |
| HenryG | This would also allow the team to build a reference implementation for CI | 22:32 |
| HenryG | No objection here | 22:33 |
| carl_baldwin | HenryG: There is a reference impl based on Ryu. | 22:33 |
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| carl_baldwin | But, there are some limitations to Ryu. Like having multiple speakers. | 22:33 |
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| carl_baldwin | Any other thoughts? | 22:34 |
| carl_baldwin | Okay. | 22:34 |
| carl_baldwin | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1563879 | 22:35 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1563879 in neutron "[RFE] DVR should route packets to Instances behind the L2 Gateway" [Wishlist,Triaged] | 22:35 |
| carl_baldwin | I'm not up to date on this one. | 22:36 |
| carl_baldwin | Mostly, I'm confused about armax 's last comment. The link circles back to the rfe. | 22:37 |
| carl_baldwin | Maybe we should just shelve this until he returns and move on. | 22:37 |
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| carl_baldwin | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1566191 | 22:38 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1566191 in neutron "[RFE] Allow multiple networks with FIP range to be associated with Tenant router" [Wishlist,Triaged] | 22:38 |
| carl_baldwin | I think we're still at the same point we were. We're going to unblock the fix and possibly discuss later. | 22:39 |
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| carl_baldwin | I'm going to skip the fast exit one too because armax is having on-going discussion with tidwellr on that bug. | 22:40 |
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| carl_baldwin | Still with me? | 22:40 |
| njohnsto_ | o/ | 22:40 |
| HenryG | yes | 22:41 |
| amuller | yep | 22:41 |
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| carl_baldwin | njohnsto_: HenryG: amuller: Thanks. | 22:41 |
| * carl_baldwin starting to know how armax feels in this meeting. It feels a bit one-sided. | 22:41 | |
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| carl_baldwin | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1579068 | 22:42 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1579068 in neutron "[RFE] Multiple VXLAN multicast groups in linuxbridge" [Wishlist,Triaged] | 22:42 |
| amuller | sounds like the next step would be to have LB agent folks chime in on the bug | 22:43 |
| carl_baldwin | Right, any LB experts out there? | 22:43 |
| carl_baldwin | Anyone know why the vxlan group was considered a single attribute? | 22:43 |
| haleyb | that's sc68cal, right? :) | 22:44 |
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| carl_baldwin | So, how do we go about getting such feedback? | 22:45 |
| carl_baldwin | Recommend going to the ML? | 22:45 |
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| amuller | carl_baldwin: +1 | 22:45 |
| carl_baldwin | That's what I'll do. | 22:46 |
| carl_baldwin | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1581931 | 22:46 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1581931 in neutron "RBAC -access_as_external - exclude tenant" [Wishlist,Triaged] | 22:46 |
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| carl_baldwin | Doesn't sound very compelling to me. | 22:47 |
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| carl_baldwin | kevinbenton says it will be quite a bit of work. | 22:48 |
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| carl_baldwin | Won't fix for now? | 22:48 |
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| * carl_baldwin needs a gavel to slam down and wake everyone up. ;) | 22:49 | |
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| amuller | carl_baldwin: +1 | 22:50 |
| HenryG | Well, does the submitter have a fix? | 22:50 |
| amuller | HenryG: no | 22:51 |
| carl_baldwin | no | 22:51 |
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| HenryG | Then +1 for won't fix | 22:51 |
| carl_baldwin | Done. | 22:51 |
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| carl_baldwin | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1583184 | 22:51 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1583184 in neutron "[RFE] bgp-dynamic-routing router association" [Wishlist,Triaged] | 22:51 |
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| carl_baldwin | My concern with this is tidwellr is pretty busy with other stuff. | 22:52 |
| carl_baldwin | I might put this back on the confirmed list until we identify someone who can do the work. | 22:52 |
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| carl_baldwin | Anyone else have thoughts? | 22:52 |
| amuller | carl_baldwin: You *might* get a volunteer with a ML thread | 22:53 |
| amuller | worth a shot IMO if the issue is lack of assignee | 22:53 |
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| HenryG | Yamamoto is doing it for midonet only? | 22:53 |
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| carl_baldwin | Looks like they already merged a spec for it. | 22:54 |
| carl_baldwin | ... just this morning. | 22:55 |
| carl_baldwin | I'll figure out what is going on here this week. | 22:55 |
| carl_baldwin | ... and report back next week. | 22:55 |
| HenryG | Oh, they need support in dynamic-routing repo | 22:55 |
| tidwellr | HenryG: it's not just for midonet, it's something we wanted to support from the get-go but it never made it up the priority list | 22:55 |
| HenryG | tidwellr: understood, but that's where it originated | 22:56 |
| carl_baldwin | tidwellr: Can we give them the support they need for this? | 22:56 |
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| tidwellr | carl_baldwin: I can commit to review cycles and *some* hand-holding, but I'm stretched pretty thin | 22:56 |
| carl_baldwin | tidwellr: Does this touch the neutron repo or other repo outside of dynamic routing? | 22:57 |
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| tidwellr | carl_baldwin: no, it doesn't touch the neutron repo | 22:58 |
| carl_baldwin | ok. | 22:58 |
| carl_baldwin | We're only got a minute left. I say we draw the line here. | 22:58 |
| carl_baldwin | s/We're/We've/ | 22:58 |
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| carl_baldwin | Any objections? | 22:59 |
| njohnston | +1 | 22:59 |
| HenryG | +1 | 22:59 |
| carl_baldwin | #endmeeting | 22:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 2 22:59:18 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2016/neutron_drivers.2016-06-02-22.00.html | 22:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2016/neutron_drivers.2016-06-02-22.00.txt | 22:59 |
| carl_baldwin | Thanks! | 22:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2016/neutron_drivers.2016-06-02-22.00.log.html | 22:59 |
| yushiro | Hi carl_baldwin and amuller, I'm in behalf of Takao Indoh who posted the launchpad https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1586352. I've just posted comment on this launchpad. | 22:59 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1586352 in neutron "[RFE] Grouping remote_ip_prefix by ipset" [Wishlist,Confirmed] | 22:59 |
| yushiro | Would you please check it? | 22:59 |
| HenryG | Thanks carl_baldwin | 22:59 |
| amuller | yushiro: I'm unclear if the performance test is for ipset in general, or specifically using ipset for remote_ip_prefix? | 22:59 |
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| yushiro | amuller, This test is in general and not using remote_ip_prefix. | 23:00 |
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| carl_baldwin | yushiro: Doesn't that kind of make the benchmark irrelevant to this request? | 23:02 |
| amuller | my thoughts as well | 23:02 |
| amuller | We know ipset makes things faster | 23:02 |
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| yushiro | carl_baldwin, amuller Oh, Ok. I think you already know ipset ability. | 23:06 |
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| yushiro | carl_baldwin, amuller What I'd like to tell you is it's worth improving remote_ip_prefix process using ipset. | 23:07 |
| carl_baldwin | yushiro: right, we already use ipsets, need to show how this case is improved. | 23:07 |
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| carl_baldwin | yushiro: right | 23:07 |
| mickeys | yushiro: Are you asking for an API change? | 23:07 |
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| yushiro | mickeys, well, I'd like to improve this rfe with no API change. Takao and I will consider about it. | 23:10 |
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| mickeys | yushiro: If you want to do it without an API change, then you are talking about coalescing multiple rules in the same security group, and programming them as one iptables rule? | 23:10 |
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| yushiro | mickeys, Yes. It similar to my current imagination. | 23:12 |
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| yushiro | carl_baldwin, I understood. I'll tell Takao about it. Thank you. | 23:13 |
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| yushiro | carl_baldwin, amuller mickeys Thank you for talking with me in spite of over time for the meeting. | 23:14 |
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| carl_baldwin | yushiro: glad to help | 23:15 |
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| yushiro | carl_baldwin, I hope our RFE will be triaged :) OK, Takao and I will update the launchpad. See you. | 23:18 |
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