Thursday, 2016-05-19

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thinrichs	Hi all	00:03
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ramineni_	hi	00:04
masahito	hi	00:04
thinrichs	#startmeeting CongressTeamMeeting	00:05
openstack	Meeting started Thu May 19 00:05:18 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is thinrichs. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.	00:05
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ekcs	hi all okay finally got in. weird IRC client issue. sorry about that.	00:06
thinrichs	ekcs: no problem. I had to restart my machine to get in—my IRC client was not working at all	00:06
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thinrichs	To start off, quick congratulations are in order.	00:07
thinrichs	ramineni, ekcs: you're now officially core reviewers!	00:07
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thinrichs	Congratulations!	00:07
ramineni_	thinrichs: thanks :)	00:07
ekcs	awesomeness! congrats ramineni.	00:07
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masahito	congratulations!	00:07
ramineni_	ekcs: you too :)	00:08
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ekcs	thanks!	00:08
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thinrichs	You should have +2 rights now. I updated gerrit just before the meeting.	00:08
tsandall	congrats!	00:09
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ekcs	now I can get free PyCharm	00:10
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thinrichs	ekcs: I haven't used PyCharm before, but it looks interesting.	00:11
thinrichs	ekcs: they give free versions to OpenStack core reviewers?	00:11
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ekcs	thinrichs: yup, with conditions.	00:12
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ekcs	#link https://www.jetbrains.com/buy/opensource/?product=pycharm	00:12
thinrichs	Interesting. Never heard of a vendor giving stuff to open source devs before.	00:12
thinrichs	Ok, on to business as usual.	00:13
thinrichs	#topic status updates	00:13
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thinrichs	Last week we were all going to look at ekcs's HA design and give feedback.	00:13
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thinrichs	ekcs: did you get what you needed?	00:13
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ekcs	I think enough to start the spec. I have a very very rough and incomplete spec draft up.	00:14
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ekcs	I do want to get people’s take on whether occasionally duplicated action executions are tolerable.	00:15
thinrichs	I suppose that what we'll end up doing is choosing an architecture and then documenting the semantics of that arch.	00:17
thinrichs	Or perhaps having a couple arch and let the user choose the one they want.	00:17
ekcs	ok.	00:17
thinrichs	I could imagine an "at-most" once semantics, and "at least once" semantics, and/or an "exactly once" semantics. (Though not sure the last is achievable.)	00:18
thinrichs	Maybe it'd be good to have these different options in the spec so we can think through how we'd accomplish each and what the tradeoffs are.	00:19
ekcs	yup.	00:19
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ekcs	#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/318383/1	00:20
thinrichs	That said, we don't want to get bogged down in worrying about action-execution semantics if the rest is straightforward.	00:20
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ekcs	At this point though, it may still be easier to discuss over etherpad rather than gerrit.	00:20
ekcs	ok.	00:21
thinrichs	ekcs: etherpad sounds fine to me. Has it changed enough that we should all take another look?	00:21
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ekcs	yea I added an overview comparison of different approaches. And recommended a different approach from what we discussed before.	00:22
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ekcs	replicate PEs (including react functionaliy), implement deduplication in ExecutionDriver (DS driver)	00:22
thinrichs	#action Everyone takes another look at the etherpad	00:22
thinrichs	ekcs: link?	00:23
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ekcs	#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-congress-availability	00:23
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thinrichs	Anything else on the HA front?	00:24
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ekcs	The spec on gerrit is cleaner. So it may be easier to look at that. etherpad carries past discussions and everything, but because things are still quite fluid adding new discussion to etherpad may be easier than gerrit. up to you guys.	00:25
ekcs	nothing else from me.	00:25
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thinrichs	Gerrit is the traditional place to discuss specs and keeps the history around as you push new versions of the spec (along with all the comments).	00:26
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thinrichs	So maybe we should use that, since we now have a proposal.	00:26
ekcs	ok.	00:26
masahito	I forgot looking the link last week. I'll check etherpad and the spec.	00:26
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thinrichs	On to the distributed architecture.	00:27
thinrichs	I haven't kept up with the status this week. How does everything look?	00:27
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thinrichs	Looks like there's 1 crucial patch from masahito for reloading policy rules.	00:29
thinrichs	masahito: I'm guessing you're testing it out with the distributed_architecture flag set to True.	00:29
thinrichs	how is it going?	00:29
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masahito	I think we need to address 2 things to pass jenkins test with the architecture.	00:30
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masahito	one is loading persisted rule and add default policy, which is addressed by my patch.	00:31
masahito	another is enabling execute action in the architecture, which could be addressed by ramineni_'s patch.	00:32
masahito	my patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/317008/	00:32
masahito	ramineni_'s patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/316028/	00:32
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ramineni_	masahito: i have added the policy execution in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/314941/	00:33
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ramineni_	masahito: rebased on your patch , so jenkins pass now	00:33
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thinrichs	Awesome!! Unit and tempest tests all passing.	00:34
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thinrichs	That's a giant step forward.	00:35
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thinrichs	So once we get those 2 patches in, we can make the tests gating.	00:36
ekcs	awesomeness	00:36
thinrichs	And start removing the old tests	00:36
thinrichs	and start removing logic for the old dse	00:36
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thinrichs	Let's all take a look at those patches and get them through review.	00:37
thinrichs	ramineni: I also see you ported test_congress to dse2	00:37
thinrichs	How did that go?	00:37
thinrichs	Anything interesting show up?	00:37
ramineni_	thinrichs: yes, migrated all the tests ..	00:38
ramineni_	thinrichs: only policy execution was not working , so added some code for that	00:38
thinrichs	Cool. Those tests have always been a little odd, but good sanity checks that get run during unit testing	00:39
ramineni_	ya	00:40
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thinrichs	Anyone else have any other status updates for the group?	00:40
thinrichs	I managed to resurrect the code to deal with converting datasource IDs to names, and I got the VM-placement code turned into a datasource for the person asking for it.	00:42
thinrichs	Nothing else technical from me.	00:43
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thinrichs	#topic newton1 planning	00:43
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thinrichs	newton1 is June 3	00:43
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thinrichs	Do we think it's reasonable to make the distributed_architecture flag default to True by then?	00:44
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thinrichs	masahito, ramineni, ekcs: thoughts?	00:44
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ekcs	might be able to do it with minimal testing.	00:45
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ramineni_	should be possible	00:45
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masahito	I think we can.	00:46
thinrichs	That sounds like a good goal then. Let's make it happen.	00:46
thinrichs	Anything else for tonight?	00:46
ekcs	is there any advantage to do it other than as a motivater for ourselves? I’m guessing some people might try it and help us identify problems.	00:46
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thinrichs	Just motivation. Once distributed_arch is True all the time, we've effectively moved to the distributed_arch and can start removing the old code.	00:48
ekcs	Okay got it. Yea it’d be great to get to dist arch true by default.	00:49
thinrichs	Agreed	00:49
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thinrichs	Anything else for today?	00:49
ekcs	but actually removing old code maybe should leave till last step like newton 3	00:49
ekcs	about vmplacement and other specialty policy engines. I want to understand the vision. Are they going to be “equal” with agnostic? or agnostic is always going to be main PE.	00:49
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thinrichs	ekcs: I'm not sure when removing the old code is right. I imagine we'll know it when we get there.	00:50
masahito	should we move in-memory MQ to rabbit MQ?	00:50
masahito	IIRC, ramineni_ suggests it at last summit.	00:51
thinrichs	ekcs: we've never had a super-clear vision for the specialized policy engine thing	00:52
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thinrichs	ekcs: Right now I think of it more as a way to experiment	00:52
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ekcs	thinrichs: ok. just reminded of it when you mentioned vmplacement. Something I kind of thought about in HA deployment design. Not a blocking issue.	00:52
thinrichs	masahito: move to rabbit MQ always, or just when we do an HA deploy?	00:53
masahito	I mean moving to rabbit MQ always.	00:54
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ekcs	masahito: probably not rabbitMQ always. cuz then it requires everyone to deploy rabbitMQ. even single node.	00:54
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masahito	before we change the flag set to True.	00:54
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thinrichs	Is there a downside to using the in-memory version if someone is deploying on 1 node?	00:55
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thinrichs	As ekcs says, it would be nice if someone is just testing it out to not need to install and run rabbitmq	00:55
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masahito	if we can use rabbitmq the messages are stored in it. so HA stuff for messages is done.	00:57
ekcs	thinrichs: one potential downside. I’m not sure how solid support for in-mem driver is. like whether it’s just something intended to kind of work for testing. and maybe features get messed up and removed without much consideration.	00:57
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thinrichs	masahito: rabbitmq is definitely necessary for HA. I'm just wondering about people spinning up Congress for some tests who don't really care about HA.	00:59
thinrichs	ekcs: makes sense	00:59
masahito	thinrichs: oh. ok	01:00
ekcs	thinrichs: I’ll take a closer look at that. I don’t expect it to be a problem though.	01:00
thinrichs	So if the in-memory support may not be so solid, it makes sense to make sure everything is running on RabbitMQ before switching the flag to True by default.	01:00
ekcs	it’s kombu project I think they’re going to support memory transport.	01:00
thinrichs	Oops—out of time.	01:00
ekcs	but i’ll verify.	01:00
thinrichs	Let's follow up with that, and do some testing with RabbitMQ so we have a fallback if the in-memory stuff is flakey.	01:01
thinrichs	Thanks all!	01:01
thinrichs	#endmeeting	01:01
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masahito	thanks	01:01
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klopsi-u3	Seymour Hersh reported that Hillary Clinton approved shipping SARIN GAS from libya to syrian Al-Nusra terrorists, to kill 1300 civillians in a false-flag attack to be blamed on Assad. STOP THE PSYCHO VAMPIRE GRANDMA HILLARY CLINTON	05:35
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klopsi-u3	NEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRRVE GAAAAAAAAAAAAS	08:21
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klopsi-u3	https://off-guardian.org/2016/05/02/seymour-hersh-says-hillary-approved-sending-libyas-sarin-to-syrian-rebels/	08:28
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njohnston	Hi, I have a stupid Gerrit question. In a change I am working on, I am listed as the Author, and another developer who contributed is the patch Owner. I want to make sure I have the correct Co-Authored-By tag. Who should I put as a co-author: the person who is not the change Owner, or the person who is not the change Author? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/288392	12:36
njohnston	oops I meant to ask that in another channel. damn.	12:36
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njohnston	Yep, that's where I meant to post it. Thanks jjmorman	12:40
jjmorman	actually - my bad. I decided I should go there and missed the "/" :)	12:41
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katomo	#startmeeting OpenStack I18n Meeting	13:00
openstack	Meeting started Thu May 19 13:00:18 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is katomo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.	13:00
openstack	Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.	13:00
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: OpenStack I18n Meeting)"		13:00
openstack	The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_i18n_meeting'	13:00
katomo	who is here?	13:00
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katomo	no one seems to be for i18n meeting	13:07
katomo	#endmeeting	13:07
*** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings \|\| https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings"		13:07
openstack	Meeting ended Thu May 19 13:07:27 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)	13:07
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openstack	Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2016/openstack_i18n_meeting.2016-05-19-13.00.html	13:07
openstack	Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2016/openstack_i18n_meeting.2016-05-19-13.00.txt	13:07
openstack	Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2016/openstack_i18n_meeting.2016-05-19-13.00.log.html	13:07
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mriedem	adrian_otto akuriata alevine alexpilotti aloga andreykurilin anteaya artom auggy	13:59
mriedem	bauzas belliott belmoreira bobball cburgess claudiub danpb dguitarbite _diana_	13:59
mriedem	diana_clarke dims duncant edleafe efried flip214 funzo garyk gcb gjayavelu	13:59
mriedem	irina_pov jaypipes jcookekhugen jgrimm jichen jlvillal jroll kashyap klindgren	13:59
mriedem	krtaylor lbeliveau lxsli macsz markus_z mdorman med_ mikal mjturek mnestratov	13:59
mriedem	moshele mrda nagyz ndipanov neiljerram nic Nisha PaulMurray raildo rgeragnov	13:59
mriedem	sc68cal scottda sdague sileht sorrison swamireddy thomasem thorst tjones tonyb	13:59
mriedem	tpatil tpatzig xyang rdopiera raj_singh woodster sahid rbradfor junjie gsilvis	13:59
mriedem	mtanino	13:59
jroll	hai	13:59
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sdague	o/	14:00
diana_clarke	o/	14:00
efried	o/	14:00
gibi	o/	14:00
dansmith	o\	14:00
takashin	o/	14:00
mriedem	stop!	14:00
alaski	o/	14:00
bauzas	\o	14:00
claudiub	o/	14:00
mriedem	#startmeeting nova	14:00
gagehugo	o/	14:00
openstack	Meeting started Thu May 19 14:00:12 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mriedem. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.	14:00
openstack	Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.	14:00
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova)"		14:00
openstack	The meeting name has been set to 'nova'	14:00
lbeliveau	o\|	14:00
edleafe	\o	14:00
jlvillal	o/	14:00
_gryf	\|o	14:00
gagehugo	\o/	14:00
mdbooth	\o/	14:00
mriedem	now do it all again	14:00
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lyarwood_	o/	14:00
alaski	o/	14:00
rbradfor	o/	14:00
takashin	o/	14:00
gibi	o/	14:00
bauzas	\o	14:00
andrearosa	hi	14:00
efried	o/	14:00
gagehugo	woo	14:00
* dansmith hates the pre-ping		14:00
alaski	+1	14:00
PaulMurray	o/	14:00
macsz	hello stackers	14:00
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* kashyap waves		14:00
cdent	o/	14:00
mriedem	#link agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Nova#Agenda_for_next_meeting	14:00
mriedem	#topic release news	14:01
*** openstack changes topic to "release news (Meeting topic: nova)"		14:01
mriedem	#link newton release schedule for nova https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/Newton_Release_Schedule	14:01
mriedem	hasn't changed	14:01
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mriedem	#info June 2: newton-1, non-priority spec approval freeze	14:01
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mriedem	#info we're 2 weeks away from non-priority spec approval freeze	14:01
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raj_singh	o/	14:01
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mriedem	with probably a few hundred open specs, not everything is going to make it	14:02
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mriedem	https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/nova-specs+status:open	14:02
mriedem	#topic bugs	14:02
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mriedem	i'm not aware of anything that's critical	14:02
mriedem	if something critical does come up, mark it for milestone n-1	14:03
mriedem	since the release team will be looking at those for tagging i think	14:03
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mriedem	#link gate status http://status.openstack.org/elastic-recheck/index.html	14:03
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mriedem	nothing really new for nova here - we did revert the fernet token thing in devstack yesterday, so the gate should be smoother now	14:03
mriedem	i don't have any news about third party CI status	14:04
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sdague	yeh, the gate finally cleared last night after that	14:04
mriedem	\o/	14:04
jroll	woo	14:04
mriedem	only other thing i know about bugs is markus_z was going through the old wishlist bugs and cleaning house on some of tohse	14:04
mriedem	*those	14:04
mriedem	#topic reminders	14:05
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mriedem	#link Newton review focus list: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-nova-priorities-tracking	14:05
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mriedem	if you are a subteam putting stuff in there, make sure it's up to date on a weekly basis	14:05
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mriedem	after your subteam meeting is a good time to do it	14:05
mriedem	We have 59 approved blueprints: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/newton - 6 are completed, 5 have not started, 3 are blocked	14:05
mriedem	#help https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/BugTriage#Weekly_bug_skimming_duty Volunteers for 1 week of bug skimming duty?	14:06
mriedem	i think andrearosa has this week	14:06
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mriedem	i see some names in the table in there, nice	14:06
mriedem	thanks to those that are signing up	14:06
raj_singh	I added my name for next week	14:06
mriedem	yeah i see that, thank you	14:06
andrearosa	mriedem: correct, I did it for a couple of days	14:06
mriedem	#topic stable branches	14:07
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macsz	i will add myself torah_singh, mriedem	14:07
mriedem	#link stable branch status https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/stable-tracker	14:07
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mriedem	as far as i know the stable branch jobs for nova are ok	14:07
mriedem	stable/liberty is in security fix only mode now	14:07
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mriedem	there are a few open stable/mitaka backports	14:08
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mriedem	i'll be looking to do a release for both around n-1	14:08
mriedem	#topic subteam highlights	14:08
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mriedem	alaski: want to recap anything from the cells meeting yesterday?	14:09
alaski	sure	14:09
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alaski	I'm going to be looking into getting devstack to use the upgrade to cells command	14:09
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alaski	but we no longer have anyone focused on testing so we need to get that work picked up somehow	14:10
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mriedem	#help need help with cells v2 testing in the gate	14:10
alaski	and melwitt is looking into using transport_url if configured to make upgrading easier	14:10
dansmith	was that v2 or v1 testing?	14:10
dansmith	I thought ccarmack was working on v1 test fixes or something	14:10
alaski	and has been discussing deprecating the old driver specific messaging options to encourage deployers to set transport_url	14:11
alaski	dansmith: v2	14:11
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mriedem	dansmith: i think he basically abandoned that	14:11
alaski	he was also putting together a plan for v2	14:11
mriedem	the security group config stuff in tempest	14:11
dansmith	okay, I hadn't realized he was working on v2 stuff	14:11
dansmith	okay	14:11
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alaski	I think that's about it	14:11
mriedem	alaski: are any of cccarmack's notes written down?	14:11
mriedem	etherpad?	14:11
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alaski	they're in an etherpad, yeah	14:12
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bauzas	yeah we have an etherpad for testing	14:12
alaski	I need to dig it up	14:12
mriedem	https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nova-cells-testing	14:12
mriedem	#link cells v2 gate testing etherpad https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nova-cells-testing	14:12
alaski	that's the one	14:12
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mriedem	ok, thanks	14:12
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mriedem	edleafe: want to go over any highlights from the scheduler team meeting?	14:12
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bauzas	oh, I was on pto at Monday...	14:13
edleafe	mriedem: sorry - on a call	14:13
mriedem	ok, i'll pitch in here	14:13
cdent	g-r-p spec merged	14:13
mriedem	generic-resource-pools spec is merged	14:13
cdent	jinx	14:13
mriedem	everything is dependent on moving inventories to the api db right now	14:13
bauzas	coolness	14:13
cdent	BUY ME A COKE	14:13
mriedem	dansmith: have a link for that series?	14:13
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dansmith	the inventory moving one?	14:14
mriedem	yeah	14:14
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dansmith	https://review.openstack.org/#/c/315681/	14:14
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dansmith	cdent had a few things to address on the bottom patch	14:14
dansmith	apparently there is some database named db2	14:14
dansmith	that is really picky	14:14
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mriedem	it's a strict one	14:14
dansmith	and then another table we need to throw in there while we're doing a mgiration	14:14
mriedem	very conservative	14:14
dansmith	mriedem: strictly picky, yeah	14:14
mriedem	#help review the inventory tables move to API DB series for the scheduler https://review.openstack.org/#/c/315681/	14:15
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mriedem	moving on	14:15
mriedem	PaulMurray: any highlights from the live migration meeting?	14:15
PaulMurray	yep	14:16
PaulMurray	a few	14:16
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PaulMurray	For CI:	14:16
PaulMurray	tdurakov switched the live migration job in experimental queue to use Xenial (Ubuntu 16.04) to	14:16
PaulMurray	get recent versions of qemu and libvirt. So can now test recent features in those.	14:16
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PaulMurray	Increasing CI coverage of storage backends:	14:16
PaulMurray	mriedem added tempest-dvsm-lvm job to experimental queue	14:16
PaulMurray	- but change has not merged yet - it was waiting on depndencies that have merged.	14:16
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mriedem	it should be in soon	14:17
mriedem	https://review.openstack.org/#/c/316298/	14:17
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mriedem	oh it's merged	14:17
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PaulMurray	cool	14:17
mriedem	also, on the live migration job on xenial	14:17
PaulMurray	mriedem will also change an existing job to use raw (almost all use qcow2 right now).	14:17
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* PaulMurray (lots of mriedem in there this week)		14:17
PaulMurray	For storage pools: making progress.	14:17
mriedem	the live migration job is failing because libvirt isn't sorting out the gate64 cpu model	14:17
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PaulMurray	The bdm code is confusing because of the wrappers for objects and	14:18
dansmith	a bunch of mdbooth's cleanups have mereged	14:18
PaulMurray	bdm v1 vs bdm v2. So propose deprecating bdm v1 and start moving towards getting rid of it	14:18
dansmith	one is in the gate now, and the next one has feedback to address	14:18
PaulMurray	see mriedem ML:	14:18
PaulMurray	http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-May/095226.html	14:18
PaulMurray	yes, good to see that mdbooth is getting reviews	14:19
mdbooth	Thanks dansmith and feodor especially for all the reviews, btw	14:19
dansmith	we're about to get to the meat of it I think	14:19
mriedem	we'll probably lump the bdm v1 deprecation with some other misfit APIs in a single spec	14:19
mdbooth	Yup	14:19
sdague	mriedem: you want that piled into the extensions cleanup spec?	14:19
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mriedem	sdague: like agent-builds and cloudpipe? yeah	14:20
sdague	yeh	14:20
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mriedem	we don't test bdm v1	14:20
sdague	and os-certificates	14:20
mriedem	the island of misfit apis	14:20
sdague	right, and the schema parse is wibbly wobbly for it	14:20
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* PaulMurray likes wibbly wobbly		14:20
mriedem	as for the raw job change, i was going to add that to the postgres job	14:20
* PaulMurray as a term		14:21
mriedem	but need to be able to set the value in devstack - so working on that	14:21
mriedem	piggly wiggly	14:21
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mriedem	thanks PaulMurray	14:21
mriedem	moving on	14:21
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mriedem	sdague: alex_xu: api subteam meeting highlights?	14:21
sdague	yeh, we're about 40% of the way through the api-ref cleanup - http://burndown.dague.org/	14:22
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mriedem	example verification should be easyish	14:22
mriedem	param verification is the hard one	14:22
sdague	realistically, there are a few tough ones to sort out, but then the rest are pretty easy and will just grind for the rest of the cycle	14:22
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sdague	and we'll probably do a post freeze sprint at end of cycle to clean up any stragglers	14:23
rbradfor	sdague, like the added table of TODO work.	14:23
sdague	we then mostly focused on the details of deprecating the API proxies	14:23
sdague	which apparently just merged - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/312209/	14:23
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sdague	it also spawned out a second discussion of disable_deprecated_apis config flag	14:24
sdague	http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-May/095353.html	14:24
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sdague	which people should comment there if they are interested	14:24
sdague	and we're just waiting on alaski to say where he needs help on the policy in code work	14:25
sdague	I think that's pretty much it	14:25
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alaski	it's under review in oslo.policy	14:25
mriedem	sdague: how about this guy? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/265282/	14:25
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mriedem	we can talk about that after the meeting too	14:26
sdague	mriedem: yeh, I haven't circled back on that one yet, I can do post meeting	14:26
mriedem	ok	14:26
mriedem	sriov/pci meeting	14:26
mriedem	moshele is in nova, but not here	14:26
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mriedem	i was there for part of the meeting,	14:27
mriedem	was mostly about reviews, and those should be in the reviews etherpad	14:27
mriedem	L182 here https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-nova-priorities-tracking	14:27
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moshele	hi	14:27
mriedem	moshele: i was just going over the sriov/pci meeting highlights, mostly reviews	14:27
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mriedem	moshele: anything else you wanted to add?	14:27
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moshele	yes: we are working on the resize patch	14:28
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moshele	hopefully it will be ready for review next week	14:28
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mriedem	ok, people are just testing it out this week, correct?	14:29
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mriedem	moshele: but for ci testing, that requires multinode?	14:29
moshele	mriedem: also I found issue with resize in general	14:29
moshele	mriedem: we can do it with one node intel PCI has tests for it	14:30
mriedem	ok, cool	14:30
mriedem	that will be key to getting that patch merged	14:30
moshele	mriedem: the test are passing	14:30
mriedem	alright, anything else?	14:30
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moshele	mriedem: there is general issue with resize that I need to open a bug	14:31
moshele	we can talk about after the meeting	14:31
mriedem	moshele: ok	14:31
mriedem	thanks	14:31
mriedem	moving onto notifications	14:31
gibi	hi	14:31
mriedem	gibi: highlights from the notifications meeting?	14:31
gibi	sure	14:31
gibi	We agreed with searchlight representatives to not purse the idea to have the same data in the notification as in the API response right now but do a more stepwise approach.	14:31
gibi	Do the transformation first then add missing pieces searchlight needs as a next step.	14:32
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gibi	this solved the last comment on the transformation spec	14:32
gibi	#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/286675/	14:32
gibi	both jay and john has positive feedback on it but need additional spec-cores to look at it	14:33
rlrossit	it also has my +1 now too	14:33
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gibi	rlrossit: thanks for that	14:33
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mriedem	ok. i haven't gone through that one yet. will try to make a pass on it today.	14:34
gibi	mriedem: thanks	14:34
mriedem	anything else?	14:34
gibi	we have some PoC code already up on review for this spec as well the subteam working on it	14:34
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gibi	also	14:34
gibi	the json schema generation spec https://review.openstack.org/#/c/311194/ has been merged in ovo, implementation is just started	14:34
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johnthetubaguy	I am still torn on instance vs server, but I like the approach	14:34
rlrossit	yeah we have some work to do in o.vo for a bit	14:34
mriedem	oh it's a spec, ok	14:35
rlrossit	johnthetubaguy: we're approaching the "speak now, or forever hold your peace" point :)	14:35
mriedem	alright	14:35
mriedem	rlrossit: well, 50% of specs end in divorce	14:35
mriedem	so, meh	14:35
rlrossit	ha	14:35
gibi	lol	14:36
gibi	nothing else from the notification subteam	14:36
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mriedem	ok, thanks	14:36
mriedem	#topic stuck reviews	14:36
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mriedem	there isn't anything on the agenda	14:36
mriedem	anyone waiting to pounce on this?	14:36
tpatzig	hi	14:36
tpatzig	should we shortly talk about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/267673	14:36
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mriedem	sure	14:37
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tpatzig	it seems to go in the direction to use an additional column, right?	14:37
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tpatzig	which disallowes local ephemerals at all for that flavor	14:37
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mriedem	alaski doesn't want to introduce new complexity to the flavor API	14:38
mriedem	which i can agree with	14:38
tpatzig	alaski, mentioned not to add that as additional field to the api…	14:38
mriedem	but a new db column and attribute on the flavor object could help make the code internally cleaner for this special case	14:38
tpatzig	ok	14:38
tpatzig	but for the api we map root_gb=None to that new column	14:39
mriedem	sounds like it	14:39
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alaski	yeah, that's what it would be	14:39
dansmith	this does't seem stuck to me	14:39
dansmith	just requiring further discussion	14:39
alaski	yep	14:39
tpatzig	ok. i'll adjust the spec and we can discuss if needed in there	14:39
mriedem	sure, which i think is fine to bring up in a meeting	14:40
mriedem	ok, cool	14:40
tpatzig	thanks	14:40
mriedem	moving on	14:40
mriedem	#topic open discussion	14:40
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mriedem	anyone have anything they want to discuss at great detail for 20 minutes?	14:40
mriedem	not hearing anything	14:40
mriedem	oh, also,	14:41
mriedem	i'm out until 5/31 so if i have a -2 procedural on something of yours, ping me today to remove it	14:41
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mriedem	otherwise sdague is going to be the lightning rod while i'm out	14:41
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mriedem	and infra can remove -2s if needed	14:41
flip214	please advise how to proceed with https://review.openstack.org/#/c/256292/	14:41
sdague	mriedem: you are going to reset the glance -2s, right?	14:42
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flip214	do I need to redo the spec at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/134153/, or is that unnecessary if it's just another os-brick connector?	14:42
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mriedem	sdague: probably yeah	14:43
flip214	general overview page is at https://blueprints.launchpad.net/cinder/+spec/drbd-transport; only the nova part is still missing.	14:43
bauzas	I have a midcycle-related question	14:43
mriedem	flip214: i don't think we need a spec for a new brick connector	14:43
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mriedem	flip214: the os-brick change is merged	14:43
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mriedem	the nova change will need to depend on a global-requirements change that raises the minimum required os-brick to the version that has the drbd connector	14:43
mriedem	flip214: ping me in nova after the meeting to sort out the paperwork	14:44
mriedem	bauzas: go!	14:44
flip214	mriedem: thanks a lot!	14:44
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bauzas	mriedem: just knowing before you leave if we have some Intel feedback about possible hotel rooms block rate	14:44
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mriedem	i asked about that last week, they were going to check on it	14:44
bauzas	given the form we provided	14:44
bauzas	okay	14:44
mriedem	last time we were there it was larkspur landing	14:44
mriedem	they also said holiday inn express but needed to check	14:45
mriedem	i can email them again today	14:45
bauzas	go on vacation, it's not that urgent	14:45
sdague	mriedem: stick me on cc, and I'll follow up while you are gone	14:45
mriedem	sdague: cool, i was going to anyway :)	14:45
sdague	:)	14:45
mriedem	anything else?	14:45
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bauzas	FWIW, it seems Intel is also hosting a few more midcycles at the same time	14:45
mriedem	dansmith: you have some items you wanted to talk about i think?	14:45
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dansmith	mriedem: I don't think so	14:45
bauzas	at least Watcher AIUI	14:45
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mriedem	bauzas: yeah i think so, but not sure it matters to us	14:46
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bauzas	right, just a FYI	14:46
mriedem	ok, thanks everyone	14:46
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mriedem	#endmeeting	14:46
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armax	hello	22:00
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ihrachys	o/	22:00
amotoki	hi	22:00
dougwig	o/	22:00
boden	howdy	22:00
armax	carl_baldwin, kevinbenton, amuller ping	22:00
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armax	HenryG: ping	22:01
amuller	heya	22:01
kevinbenton	hey	22:01
armax	we have quorum by the looks of it	22:01
armax	#startmeeting neutron_drivers	22:01
openstack	Meeting started Thu May 19 22:01:49 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is armax. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.	22:01
openstack	Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.	22:01
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openstack	The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_drivers'	22:01
HenryG	o/	22:02
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armax	I hope you guys have had time this week to go through our backlog of RFEs and specs	22:03
dougwig	bring it on	22:03
armax	#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bugs?field.status%3Alist=Triaged&field.tag=rfe&orderby=datecreated&start=0	22:03
armax	from last week we have only a handful of new entries	22:04
* carl_baldwin walks in a little late.		22:04
armax	bug #1372441	22:04
openstack	bug 1372441 in neutron "[RFE] Creating port in dual-stack network requires IPv4 and IPv6 addresses to be allocated" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1372441 - Assigned to Sean M. Collins (scollins)	22:04
dougwig	maybe it's me, but that seems like "working as intended".	22:05
HenryG	Do we need to discuss this here? The discussion seems to be in the bug comments.	22:05
dougwig	if you don't want to two addresses, make a single stack network?	22:05
carl_baldwin	I remember discussing at the summit a bit and I think I was leaning toward the same conclusion.	22:05
armax	this is true only until one of the subnets runs out of space	22:06
armax	in which case the user is required to be explicitely create a port by specifying the subnet that did not exhaust	22:06
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dougwig	isn't that a configuration error?	22:07
carl_baldwin	I still think the expectation on a dual-stack network will be to get addresses in both families.	22:07
armax	dougwig: what do you mean?	22:07
dougwig	as in, it's an odd band-aid when you don't plan your subnets correctly.	22:07
amotoki	i think it is usual that ipv4 and ipv6 subnets have different size of ip addr ranges.	22:07
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armax	dougwig: though no-one can anticipate how popular your application becomes and how widely you need to scale out your webfarm	22:08
kevinbenton	Yeah, I think silently giving some VMs only v6 addresses isnt a great user experience	22:08
dougwig	ok, so i'm a user. i expect both, i get one, with no indication it's an error. how do i fix it?	22:08
armax	dougwig: right now you get an error	22:09
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* ihrachys wonders how we'll explain inconsistent behaviour when running consequent requests.		22:09
dougwig	right, i agree with the current behavior for that reason.	22:09
ihrachys	sorry, consequent -> parallel	22:09
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armax	dougwig: the idea is that the user would have to specify what type of behavior they’d want	22:10
ihrachys	like in: I checked one address is still avail in all subnets; I request a port; due to other user requesting a port just before me, I get a port that I don't expect, with no error indication	22:10
kevinbenton	armax: can't they do that by explicit subnet requests in fixed ups?	22:10
dougwig	armax: so many toggles. i already have one... i can go make a different network.	22:10
amotoki	kevinbenton: they can.	22:11
armax	kevinbenton: yes, it’s a shortcut	22:11
armax	dougwig: that’s sensible feedback	22:11
amuller	Do we have any indication that this issue is common enough to solve? I'm inclined to ignore it.	22:11
armax	if we agree that we have enough primitives to address the use case with some boilerplate outside neutron	22:11
armax	then I am ok with that	22:11
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armax	the use case was aiming at providing some API sugar to simplify the user workflow in some corner case circumstances	22:12
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armax	and I sense from this feedback so far that the general sentiment is ‘meh'	22:12
kevinbenton	armax: Yeah, it only would save a step of getting the subnet id	22:12
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carl_baldwin	That about sums it up.	22:12
dougwig	i'm a tad into 'actively aganst'.	22:13
dougwig	against.	22:13
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dougwig	sigh.	22:13
armax	great, I’ll provide this feeback and kill the RFE	22:13
armax	let’s move on	22:13
amotoki	I am okay with either	22:13
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amotoki	we can achieve the reuqest in other way	22:13
armax	bug #1552680	22:13
openstack	bug 1552680 in neutron "[RFE] Add support for DLM" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1552680 - Assigned to John Schwarz (jschwarz)	22:13
armax	any update?	22:13
amuller	none yet	22:13
armax	ok	22:14
armax	moving on	22:14
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armax	bug 1563967	22:14
openstack	bug 1563967 in neutron "[RFE] Extend l2-extensions-api for flow management " [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1563967 - Assigned to Miguel Angel Ajo (mangelajo)	22:14
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armax	this is clearly a continuation of blueprint l2-api-extensions	22:14
ihrachys	on the general idea - we definitely need it.	22:14
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ihrachys	especially as we move more stuff to flows	22:14
armax	the devil is in the details…we need to agree on scope and strategy	22:15
ihrachys	this is not an easy task to say the least though	22:15
armax	at least for Newton	22:15
amuller	I think it's pretty easy to justify the need... neutron-server has a robust plugin system, the OVS agent is not there yet	22:15
amuller	with more and more new projects and features using the OVS agent, we need a plugin system	22:16
armax	ack	22:16
armax	let’s move the design discussion on gerrit then	22:16
amuller	I just want to see SFC not fork the OVS agent	22:16
ihrachys	should we move it to spec?	22:16
dougwig	agree, this one is too complicated for this meeting.	22:16
armax	ihrachys: right now ajo_ is working on it as devref	22:16
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armax	amuller: ditto	22:17
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amotoki	devref sounds good	22:17
armax	amuller: being saying this since vancouver	22:17
amuller	armax: vancouver is a location not a time	22:17
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dougwig	container flavor chaining, here we come.	22:17
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* amuller understands		22:18
armax	ok moving on	22:18
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armax	bug #1566191	22:18
openstack	bug 1566191 in neutron "[RFE] Allow multiple networks with FIP range to be associated with Tenant router" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1566191	22:18
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carl_baldwin	There is a review up now.	22:18
armax	I went through this some more after last meeting	22:18
armax	carl_baldwin: which one?	22:18
carl_baldwin	#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/292318/	22:18
armax	oh right	22:18
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carl_baldwin	The approach, I think, is as you suggested.	22:18
carl_baldwin	If this is the way to go, I don't think we need an RFE.	22:19
armax	carl_baldwin: I didn’t particularly like the use of a class attribute to control behavior	22:19
armax	carl_baldwin: I commented earlier today	22:19
carl_baldwin	armax: I didn't either. Hence my -1	22:19
armax	carl_baldwin: attaboy	22:19
carl_baldwin	armax: I didn't see your comment. On the patch set?	22:20
armax	I suppose we can work out how to address the regression and have more breathing room to figure out whetehr we want to evolve the existing model	22:20
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armax	carl_baldwin: no on the bug report	22:20
armax	carl_baldwin: but I did reference the patch	22:20
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armax	we reached the same conclusions from two different angles	22:20
carl_baldwin	Oh, I missed that update.	22:20
carl_baldwin	:)	22:20
armax	it was only like an hour ago	22:20
armax	once this is resolved we can revise the RFE proposal to better express what is asked	22:21
carl_baldwin	ok	22:22
armax	which, from what I understand, is the desire to allow router uplinking to external networks via router interfaces rather than gateway interfaces	22:22
armax	carl_baldwin: am I right?	22:22
carl_baldwin	armax: Yes, exactly.	22:22
armax	carl_baldwin: I am more concenred with the side effects that something like this may expose	22:23
armax	rather than the API change itself	22:23
armax	anyhow, we’ll continue to iterate on the RFE	22:23
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armax	other thoughts? amuller, kevinbenton, anyone else?	22:23
carl_baldwin	If we unblock them by restoring the old behavior, we can think longer on the ultimate solution.	22:23
dougwig	i agree that it seems like a useful enhancement. and fraught with peril.	22:23
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amotoki	it sounds reasonable.	22:24
carl_baldwin	I'm in no rush.	22:24
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armax	ok	22:24
armax	bug #1573843	22:24
openstack	bug 1573843 in neutron "[rfe] Minimize agent state reports handling on server side" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1573843 - Assigned to Oleg Bondarev (obondarev)	22:24
amotoki	router:external flag has two meaning: default route and FIP pool. it looks okay to allow FIP pool for router interface too, but i haven't figured out potential concern.	22:24
armax	amotoki: agreed	22:25
armax	this bug from obondarev seems to be borderline between an rfe and a regular fix	22:25
armax	I mean bug	22:25
armax	enhancement if you will	22:25
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HenryG	well I guess it affects the RPC api?	22:26
kevinbenton	i don't think this is necessarily about payload size	22:26
armax	HenryG: maybe, it’s not clear if he intends to introduce new RPC calls	22:26
armax	to distirbute the payload and thus minimizing it	22:26
amuller	right, this is about how the server processes report_state	22:26
kevinbenton	it's about having the server understand which data should be handled	22:27
amuller	it's a real problem for the reference implementation, always have been	22:27
kevinbenton	in the context of a normal update	22:27
amuller	I think a patch is a better medium for discussion though	22:27
amuller	cause it's all in the details	22:27
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amuller	I don't know if there's anything to discuss at the conceptual level?	22:27
armax	amuller: agreed	22:27
dougwig	i'd say rfe-approved, then move it to gerrit	22:27
armax	sure	22:27
kevinbenton	+1	22:28
HenryG	sounds good to me	22:28
carl_baldwin	++	22:28
armax	I am not sure this is RFE material though, it seems a genuine optmiziation required	22:28
kevinbenton	(push notifications won't get ride of state reports FWIW)	22:28
kevinbenton	rid*	22:28
armax	but either way we’d need to iterate and see what the code looks like	22:28
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armax	moving on	22:28
armax	bug #1577488	22:28
openstack	bug 1577488 in neutron "[RFE]"Fast exit" for compute node egress flows when using DVR" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1577488	22:29
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armax	I gave this some thought after last week	22:29
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armax	I must admit the diagrams were not very helpful for me	22:29
armax	lack of labelling left too much to the imagination	22:30
armax	and I am not a creative person	22:30
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dougwig	so, dvr does north-south at compute node for fip, and not generate nat. and this rfe doesnt' change that, it just specifies "the operator can do north/south" with vm ip's directly addressable. isn't that use case covered by provider nets?	22:31
kevinbenton	so i think basically of enable_snat is false we should always fast exit	22:31
armax	having said that I wanted to better understand tidwellr’s comment on enable_snat inability to fit the need	22:31
kevinbenton	if*	22:31
dougwig	/generate nat/general nat/	22:31
armax	carl_baldwin: maybe you can chime in if tidwellr is unable to jump in here?	22:31
kevinbenton	the hesitation around not enabling fast exit with enable_snat =False automatically is asymmetric routing	22:31
* tidwellr is lurking		22:31
armax	tidwellr: hi	22:31
* carl_baldwin soaking in the feedback.		22:31
kevinbenton	but IMO asymmetric fast exit is better than non-fast exit	22:32
armax	I’d like to understand why you think that enable_snat flag on the router is not fit for the purpuse	22:32
armax	tidwellr: this can be hidden to tenant via policy	22:32
armax	afaik	22:32
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tidwellr	that was feedback I got from someone (can't remember who) in Austin	22:32
armax	https://github.com/openstack/neutron/blob/master/etc/policy.json#L100	22:33
armax	and today it’s admin only	22:33
armax	already	22:33
armax	tidwellr: can’t remember who is not acceptable	22:33
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armax	we need SSN and banking details	22:33
tidwellr	enable_snat was the first place I went to	22:33
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carl_baldwin	I think the question is, is asymmetric routing ok.	22:33
armax	carl_baldwin: within Neutron or in general?	22:34
kevinbenton	i would like to argue that it is	22:34
tidwellr	if you don't want asymmetic routing, use BGP or similar tool	22:34
kevinbenton	armax: with Neutron	22:34
armax	carl_baldwin: because asymetric routing has its own use cases	22:34
carl_baldwin	armax: Not in general.	22:34
armax	carl_baldwin: right, that’s what I am saying	22:34
armax	:)	22:34
kevinbenton	Problem statement: if we fast-exit without the upstream routing knowing how to send back, the return traffic will go through the central node	22:35
tidwellr	kevinbenton: not necessarily	22:35
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tidwellr	upstream needs to know to send it back to the central node	22:36
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tidwellr	that's not a given	22:36
kevinbenton	tidwellr: that's the use case for enable_snat=False and address scopes	22:36
carl_baldwin	So, we could adjust kevin's statement a little. "with upstream routing knowing how to send it back symmetrically"	22:36
kevinbenton	tidwellr: if you haven't met that criteria, this discussion is irrelevant because you can't even use non fast-exit	22:36
carl_baldwin	If there is no reason to conntrack in the router, then maybe it is fine.	22:36
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tidwellr	kevinbenton: fair enough	22:37
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carl_baldwin	There is no NAT so we know we don't need conntrack for that.	22:37
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armax	imo we’d need to identify what the implications are of asym routing the way it’s advocated in this RFE	22:38
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carl_baldwin	DVR does asymmetric e/w routing all the time.	22:38
armax	perhaps this mode won’t work in conjunction with other services in a Neutron deployment	22:38
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tidwellr	I think it's sort of irrelevant if we have a way to track whether there is dynamic routing over an external network	22:39
tidwellr	if we know there is a routing process operating on an external network, we can turn on fast-exit under the covers, otherwise centralize by sending through the SNAT node	22:40
carl_baldwin	tidwellr: But, we could break this in to two steps. First, enable fast exit optimistically. Second, try and make it smarter by knowing when there's routing.	22:40
tidwellr	carl_baldwin: true	22:40
kevinbenton	tidwellr: not necessarily. fast-exit could still be desirable even without dynamic routing	22:40
kevinbenton	it fully distributes outbound traffic	22:41
armax	ok but the other question is, is the enable_snat knob given to operator enough to address this need?	22:41
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armax	and whether there’s more modeling required to expose this logically to operators when using DVR only	22:41
kevinbenton	armax: i think that comes down to the question of do we need the knob to prevent asymmetric routing	22:41
carl_baldwin	armax: + address scope awareness.	22:42
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kevinbenton	carl_baldwin: right, this isn't being directly controlled by enable_snat. it's just whenever the router decides it doesn't need to do SNAT	22:43
carl_baldwin	right	22:43
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tidwellr	good point	22:43
armax	kevinbenton: when using DVR in conjunction with enable_snat=False, seems to me that the expection is that asym routing is a given, no?	22:44
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kevinbenton	armax: well not ATM. right now it goes through the central node which you presumably have a route pointing at for return traffic upstream	22:44
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armax	kevinbenton: well, that would have to change to accommodate tidwellr’s use case	22:44
kevinbenton	armax: yes, that's what he's proposing changing	22:45
armax	because at that point you no longer need to stricly do that	22:45
kevinbenton	armax: well you need something telling upstream where to send traffic to you	22:45
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kevinbenton	armax: so in BGP case it can be specific enough that asymmetric doesn't happen	22:46
armax	kevinbenton: but that would need to happen in conjunction with bgp	22:46
kevinbenton	armax: but in a single static route case like 'enable_snat=False' now, it will result in asymmetric routing	22:46
armax	kevinbenton: right, but asym routing is not a problem in itself	22:46
amotoki	is there any problem if we start from asynmetric routing?	22:47
armax	unless there are services that depend on the symmetry of the flow	22:47
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kevinbenton	armax: correct	22:47
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kevinbenton	amotoki: not that i'm aware of	22:47
armax	thing is, what about something like fwaas?	22:47
* armax ducks		22:47
tidwellr	fwiw my thinking was to allow asym routing, then enhance BGP to give you symmetric data flow	22:47
kevinbenton	tidwellr: +1	22:48
tidwellr	BGP will give asym data flow in its current state	22:48
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armax	alternatively the asym property can be a property of a dvr router	22:49
kevinbenton	(we can even install routes on the central node pointing to the compute nodes for each internal IP via the external DVR IP of the compute node which will have the central node generate ICMP redirects)	22:49
amotoki	combo of DVR and FWaaS alreday has a problem on async route, so i think this does not bring a new problem.	22:49
armax	and thus can be controlled on a per-router basis, but I like tidwellr’s idea of leveraging the mechanics of BGP to be explicit on the nature of the packet flow	22:49
kevinbenton	so if an upstream router honors ICMP redirects then we would eliminate asymmetric	22:49
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kevinbenton	let's move on. i think we've generally settled on 'assume asymmetric for DVR'	22:50
armax	tidwellr: my feedback would be to try and enable this usecase without API changes :)	22:50
* carl_baldwin already gave that feedback strongly. :)		22:51
armax	carl_baldwin: great minds think alike	22:51
* tidwellr heard loud and clear		22:51
armax	having said that though, I don’t want to hinder tidwellr’s ability to address thsi use case	22:52
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armax	but to me it sounds the conversation started on the wrong assumption that enable_snat wasn’t fit for the purpose	22:52
carl_baldwin	I think we could start with the fast exit optimistically approach.	22:52
armax	so we may want to go back on that premise and revise the whole thing	22:52
armax	we in agreement?	22:53
carl_baldwin	So, the router does fast exit any time it would not be doing snat.	22:53
carl_baldwin	I think so.	22:53
kevinbenton	carl_baldwin: +1	22:53
armax	so we implicitly assume asym routing unless something else like BGP will rectify the situation?	22:53
kevinbenton	aye	22:54
carl_baldwin	++	22:54
armax	okeydokey	22:54
armax	bug #1580588	22:54
openstack	bug 1580588 in neutron "[RFE] use network's dns_domain to generate dns_assignment" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1580588 - Assigned to Miguel Lavalle (minsel)	22:54
armax	anyone cares to elaborate?	22:54
carl_baldwin	So, this was a request to use the dns_domain on the network in dnsmasq as the domain.	22:54
armax	I must admit I did not see this one	22:54
carl_baldwin	Currently, dnsmasq uses the configured domain from neutron.conf, I think.	22:55
amotoki	my understanding is same	22:55
carl_baldwin	I actually thought we were going to do this when dns_domain was added to the network. But, that isn't how it was done.	22:55
ihrachys	how is dns_domain currently used? [is it?]	22:56
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amotoki	it is used for integration with external DNS.	22:56
carl_baldwin	ihrachys: It is used to match up with a domain in designate.	22:56
amotoki	if a port is created, <hostname>.<dns_name in network> is added to designate.	22:57
carl_baldwin	^ What amotoki said	22:57
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ihrachys	I see. so in designate, we don't register a record in zone defined in neutron.conf	22:57
mlavalle	correct	22:57
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mlavalle	the zones used for designate come from network's dns_domain attribute	22:58
amotoki	external dns (desginate) has <host>.<dns_name in network> and internal dns (dnsmasq) has <host>.<dns_name from neutorn.conf> for a same IP addr.	22:59
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armax	we got one minute left	22:59
carl_baldwin	20 seconds...	22:59
armax	do we take this offline	22:59
kevinbenton	Ya	22:59
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kevinbenton	We need to figure out if we change behavior	23:00
ihrachys	long term we probably want to get rid of the configuration option in neutron.conf. but it's not clear how to do it, since existing users may rely on that domain being used for dnsmasq. maybe an option for dhcp agent to enable usage of dns_domain? and then switch it on later?	23:00
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armax	#endmeeting	23:00
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armax	thanks folks	23:00
amotoki	thanks	23:01
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