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thinrichs | ekcs, masahito, ramineni_, tsandall: courtesy ping | 00:01 |
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tsandall | pong | 00:01 |
masahito | hi | 00:01 |
thinrichs | #startmeeting CongressTeamMeeting | 00:01 |
bryan_att | hi thinrichs | 00:01 |
openstack | Meeting started Thu Apr 14 00:01:27 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is thinrichs. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 00:01 |
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thinrichs | bryan_att, tsandall, masahito: hi | 00:01 |
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ramineni_ | hi | 00:02 |
thinrichs | Light agenda from me today.. | 00:02 |
thinrichs | 1. Quick update on release | 00:02 |
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thinrichs | 2. Gate issues | 00:02 |
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thinrichs | 3. bryan_att emails | 00:03 |
thinrichs | Anything else? | 00:03 |
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thinrichs | #topic releases | 00:04 |
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thinrichs | Today I did a release of stable/liberty, as we discussed last time. | 00:04 |
thinrichs | Nothing unusual to report | 00:04 |
thinrichs | I also went through and did some cleanup of our bugs, marking some closed as part of the Mitaka release. | 00:04 |
thinrichs | Also cleaned up launchpad so that the Mitaka branch is closed, and the Newton branch is open. | 00:05 |
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thinrichs | As we're targeting blueprints/bugs, we can now start using the newton series. | 00:05 |
thinrichs | Finally, as we discussed last week, kilo is end-of-lifed in May, so we're not backporting bug fixes anymore. | 00:06 |
thinrichs | Questions/comments? | 00:06 |
ekcs | Great! | 00:06 |
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masahito | one thing about release | 00:06 |
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masahito | I can't find a release note in official release site | 00:07 |
masahito | http://releases.openstack.org/mitaka/index.html | 00:07 |
thinrichs | I don't think we've set that up yet, or even know how. | 00:08 |
masahito | Have any one worked for it? | 00:08 |
thinrichs | There's a release-notes job, but I know nothing about how it works. | 00:08 |
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thinrichs | Anyone know how to submit release notes? And whether we can still do it for Mitaka? | 00:09 |
thinrichs | We should definitely do it for Newton. | 00:09 |
thinrichs | I think I'd added ReleaseNotes to our docs in the past. | 00:09 |
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thinrichs | I must have missed that this time. | 00:10 |
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thinrichs | Anyone want to volunteer to look into the release notes and how we're supposed to be writing/releasing them? | 00:10 |
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ramineni_ | i can check with infra | 00:11 |
masahito | ok, I'll do it. | 00:11 |
ramineni_ | masahito: go ahead :) | 00:11 |
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masahito | thnaks :-) | 00:11 |
masahito | I'll do | 00:12 |
thinrichs | Speaking of volunteers, I think we had some items from last meeting that people were looking into…. | 00:12 |
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thinrichs | ramineni_: remind me what you were looking into | 00:12 |
thinrichs | Was it the docs and getting Congress on the list of projects? | 00:13 |
ramineni_ | thinrichs: ya, its done now | 00:13 |
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ramineni_ | thinrichs: we are listed in http://docs.openstack.org/developer/openstack-projects.html | 00:13 |
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thinrichs | ramineni_: Great! | 00:14 |
thinrichs | masahito: did you get a chance to look into the API guide and how we contribute our APIs to it? | 00:14 |
masahito | yes. | 00:15 |
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thinrichs | #action masahito will look into release notes | 00:15 |
thinrichs | (Forgot to do that earlier.) | 00:16 |
masahito | we can write API references by updating api-site project | 00:16 |
masahito | https://github.com/openstack/api-site | 00:16 |
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masahito | but, now coding style change is under the discussion at Doc team. | 00:16 |
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masahito | so I'll also hear doc team when we should start to update the the repository. | 00:17 |
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thinrichs | Sounds good. | 00:18 |
thinrichs | masahito: thanks for following up with that | 00:18 |
thinrichs | #action masahito will follow the doc team and report about how/if the api docs are changing | 00:19 |
thinrichs | Anything else on the release front? | 00:19 |
ramineni_ | thinrichs: one thing | 00:19 |
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ramineni_ | thinrichs: its about stable/liberty and mitaka | 00:20 |
ramineni_ | thinrichs: tempest plans to remove all the ceilometer related tests in their repository , that might break our branches | 00:20 |
ramineni_ | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/304992/ | 00:20 |
patchbot | ramineni_: patch 304992 - tempest - Remove Ceilometer tempest tests | 00:20 |
gmann | thinrichs: yea, i talked to ramineni_ about those and need to find the better way for that in congress | 00:21 |
gmann | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/304992/1 | 00:21 |
patchbot | gmann: patch 304992 - tempest - Remove Ceilometer tempest tests | 00:21 |
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gmann | So ceilometer has plugin and tempest going to remove all ceilometer tests, config options, client etc | 00:21 |
thinrichs | gmann: understood | 00:22 |
ramineni_ | thinrichs: we use it here https://github.com/openstack/congress/blob/stable/liberty/contrib/tempest/tempest/scenario/congress_datasources/test_ceilometer.py#L41 | 00:22 |
gmann | congress use those which can be moved to ceilometer plugin from Mitaka onwards but liberty/Kilo needs to fix in other was as ceilometer plugin in not present on those branches | 00:22 |
gmann | thinrichs: ramineni_ one was is to consider ceilometer as not-available if no config option (as done for murano option) and make those tests skip for liberty/kilo | 00:23 |
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gmann | if it is ok to skip those for kilo/liberty | 00:23 |
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thinrichs | gmann: that sounds reasonable. | 00:24 |
thinrichs | ramineni_: we're forcing ceilometer to be enabled in kilo/liberty, right? | 00:24 |
gmann | thinrichs: cool | 00:24 |
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ramineni_ | thinrichs: ya | 00:24 |
thinrichs | So it's just the test for whether they are enabled that we need to fix. | 00:24 |
ramineni_ | thinrichs: there is only one test for ceilometer , | 00:25 |
thinrichs | ramineni_: is this a quick fix we can add to both kilo/liberty? | 00:25 |
gmann | yup just 1 line one | 00:25 |
ramineni_ | thinrichs: ya ,we can skip the test | 00:25 |
gmann | if not CONF.service_available.ceilometer: -> if not getattr(CONF.service_available, 'ceilometer', False): | 00:26 |
gmann | ramineni_: ^^ that should work right | 00:26 |
ramineni_ | gmann: yes | 00:26 |
thinrichs | ramineni_: want to put those fixes in? | 00:26 |
ramineni_ | thinrichs: but for mitaka too, instead of relying on tempest , may be we should directly call ceilometer client for retrieving info | 00:27 |
gmann | ramineni_: thinrichs and m putting fix for master(which can directly be backport to mitaka) to switch to plugin | 00:27 |
gmann | to avoid any gate break before my patch gets merged | 00:27 |
thinrichs | gmann: are you saying you're preparing a patch for master, and the same patch will work in mitaka? | 00:28 |
gmann | ramineni_: you can take over that if needed | 00:28 |
ramineni_ | gmann: great , ill backport to liberty and kilo | 00:28 |
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gmann | thinrichs: yea, master fix will work for Mitaka just cherry pick | 00:29 |
thinrichs | All sounds good to me. | 00:29 |
gmann | ramineni_: no, for libertry/kilo you need to change differently as plugin is not available there | 00:29 |
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ramineni_ | gmann: ok, got it .. but for mitaka we should change the client altogether | 00:30 |
gmann | ramineni_: if not CONF.service_available.ceilometer: -> if not getattr(CONF.service_available, 'ceilometer', False): | 00:30 |
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ramineni_ | gmann: as cls.os.telemetry client is removed too | 00:30 |
ramineni_ | in tempest | 00:30 |
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gmann | ramineni_: this will skip tests on liberty/kilo as tempest would nto register the CONF.service_available.ceilometer | 00:30 |
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gmann | ramineni_: yea thats fine as you are going to skip tests | 00:30 |
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ramineni_ | gmann: diff fixes for mater/mitaka and kilo/liberty, if you already have patch, pls post it, ill take it from there | 00:31 |
ramineni_ | gmann: thanks | 00:31 |
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gmann | ramineni_: yea, sure | 00:32 |
thinrichs | #action ramineni will apply getattr() patch to kilo/liberty and will cherry-pick gmann's change on master to mitaka (once that change arrives) | 00:32 |
gmann | thinrichs: +1 Thanks :) really help | 00:33 |
thinrichs | gmann: np | 00:33 |
thinrichs | Any other questions/comments about releases? | 00:33 |
ramineni_ | no | 00:34 |
thinrichs | #topic Gate | 00:34 |
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thinrichs | Seems we have a gate breakage. | 00:34 |
thinrichs | ekcs: looks like you've been working on it. | 00:34 |
thinrichs | Anyone tracked down the issue? | 00:35 |
ekcs | thinrichs: I was confirming it, but I didn’t figure out why the failure. | 00:35 |
ekcs | failure is in tempest TestHA | 00:35 |
thinrichs | Eric's debugging patch: | 00:35 |
thinrichs | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/254429/ | 00:35 |
patchbot | thinrichs: patch 254429 - congress - DO NOT MERGE: Gating troubleshooting only | 00:35 |
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thinrichs | Looks like a timeout | 00:36 |
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ramineni_ | thinrichs: looks like recheck not solving the problem | 00:37 |
ramineni_ | same error on 2 patches | 00:37 |
thinrichs | right | 00:37 |
thinrichs | urllib3.exceptions.MaxRetryError | 00:38 |
thinrichs | Max retries exceeded with url: /v1/data-sources/365de9b4-183d-4c35-a85c-0a7d7d252465/status | 00:38 |
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thinrichs | I remember seeing that one time, but I think it cleared up on its own. | 00:39 |
ramineni_ | thinrichs: ya, recheck solved | 00:39 |
ramineni_ | thinrichs: ill have look into this failure | 00:39 |
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thinrichs | ramineni_: thanks! | 00:39 |
ekcs | thanks! | 00:39 |
thinrichs | Anything else on the Gate? | 00:40 |
thinrichs | #topic bryan_att emails | 00:40 |
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thinrichs | bryan_att: you around? | 00:41 |
bryan_att | yes | 00:41 |
thinrichs | I saw masahito and ramineni were responding to your emails. | 00:41 |
thinrichs | Did everything get sorted out? | 00:41 |
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bryan_att | yes, and I think I'm OK with the responses - appreciate the fast turnaround | 00:41 |
bryan_att | I still am trying to figure out the horizon integration though | 00:42 |
bryan_att | And have a pesky recurring issue where glance images don't show up in the glance table | 00:42 |
bryan_att | I don't know how to debug that one | 00:42 |
thinrichs | bryan_att: are you using liberty? | 00:42 |
bryan_att | yes, stable/liberty | 00:42 |
bryan_att | I will move to mitaka soon | 00:42 |
thinrichs | We found a subtle bug just before releasing mitaka with Glance | 00:42 |
thinrichs | That could be the issue | 00:43 |
thinrichs | I'm checking if we already backported it... | 00:43 |
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ramineni_ | thinrichs: only mitaka has the fix i suppose | 00:43 |
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ramineni_ | ekcs: correct? | 00:44 |
ekcs | yea I just checked we haven’t backported it. | 00:44 |
ekcs | guess we were rushing to get it in the mitaka and forgot. | 00:44 |
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bryan_att | is there a way I could test to see if it resolves the issue? | 00:44 |
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thinrichs | ekcs: could bryan_att cherry-pick the change (cleanly) onto stable/liberty? | 00:45 |
bryan_att | or if I know where it was (and it wasn't huge), could I just modify the source file in my clone? | 00:46 |
bryan_att | for a test | 00:46 |
ekcs | thinrichs: I think so. | 00:46 |
ekcs | bryan_att: before you try that though, I think we should first check if you have that error. | 00:46 |
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ekcs | bryan_att: in the congress log and glance log you should see http authentication errors for glance. | 00:46 |
bryan_att | yes, I see them | 00:47 |
ekcs | bryan_att: let me get more exact details. | 00:47 |
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ekcs | bryan_att: oh perfect. then that’s almost certainly the issue. | 00:47 |
bryan_att | there is no more detailed info I can see though, and I think I see the auth errors in both the case where the tables get populated and when they dont | 00:47 |
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bryan_att | by checking the glance logs in both cases | 00:48 |
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ekcs | here’s the patch for glance. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/299950/ | 00:49 |
patchbot | ekcs: patch 299950 - congress (stable/mitaka) - Use keystone sessions to authenticate (MERGED) | 00:49 |
ramineni_ | direct cherry-pick not working | 00:49 |
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ramineni_ | ekcs : we need to manually raise a patch for liberty i think | 00:50 |
thinrichs | It should be easy for us to prepare a patch for bryan_att and put it on Gerrit to try. | 00:50 |
thinrichs | bryan_att: 2 choices it seems… | 00:50 |
ramineni_ | thinrichs: yes | 00:50 |
ekcs | thinrichs: yup. | 00:50 |
thinrichs | (i) check that we have properly identified the problem by applying a patch to your Congress install and looking to see if it solves the problem | 00:51 |
thinrichs | (ii) upgrade your Congress install to a version that already has the patch | 00:51 |
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thinrichs | (i) would be a temporary solution, and if it succeeded you'd want to do (ii) | 00:51 |
thinrichs | If (i) doesn't work, we haven't identified the problem yet. | 00:51 |
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bryan_att | OK, whichever I can figure out how to do, with a little help maybe | 00:52 |
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thinrichs | bryan_att: you recently upgraded from kilo to liberty, right? | 00:52 |
bryan_att | I've been on liberty since Dec | 00:52 |
thinrichs | Are you planning to upgrade to mitaka anytime soon? | 00:53 |
bryan_att | Yes, very soon. We are closing Brahmaputra at the end of the month | 00:53 |
bryan_att | Colorado will be Mitaka-based | 00:53 |
thinrichs | Then I'd wait until you upgrade to Mitaka, since that has the patch anyway. | 00:53 |
bryan_att | btw, I just reverified that I see the auth errors in the glance log even when the congress glance table has the images listed | 00:54 |
ekcs | thinrichs: are we thinking we won’t backport to liberty then? | 00:54 |
thinrichs | Assuming we're right about the problem, this'll be one of those fix-via-upgrade problems. | 00:54 |
bryan_att | "WARNING keystonemiddleware.auth_token [-] Authorization failed for token" | 00:54 |
thinrichs | ekcs; we should also backport to liberty | 00:54 |
bryan_att | I didn't check to see if that error occurs *before* I install Congress though | 00:55 |
ekcs | bryan_att: right that’s the issue. authentication with glance times out at a certain point. if the image updates happened before then, they get in. after that, they don’t. | 00:55 |
bryan_att | OK, that's all for me - thanks for all the help this week. I'm making good progress on creating Congress tests for OPNFV | 00:56 |
ekcs | bryan_att: the auth error should show up at regular interval (every poll) | 00:56 |
thinrichs | bryan_att: Great! | 00:56 |
thinrichs | Anything else in the last few minutes? | 00:56 |
thinrichs | #topic open discussion | 00:57 |
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ekcs | I have a patch for doing update ordering and differential update. comments appreciated. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/304991/ | 00:57 |
patchbot | ekcs: patch 304991 - congress - dse2 sequenced, differential pub-sub | 00:57 |
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thinrichs | Great that you're picking back up on the distributed arch! | 00:58 |
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thinrichs | I'll take a look tomorrow | 00:58 |
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ekcs | bryan_att: question: which liberty version are you on? | 00:59 |
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bryan_att | stable | 00:59 |
bryan_att | as of a couple of days ago | 00:59 |
thinrichs | ekcs: 2.0.0 | 00:59 |
thinrichs | bryan_att: are you pulling the latest from stable/liberty via git? | 00:59 |
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bryan_att | yes, cloning from github | 01:00 |
thinrichs | So my 2.0.0 answer was wrong. | 01:00 |
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ekcs | bryan_att: ok great. i’ll prepare the backport patch so you can try it if you like. | 01:00 |
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bryan_att | sure, thanks | 01:00 |
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thinrichs | Out time. Thanks all! | 01:01 |
thinrichs | #endmeeting | 01:01 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Thu Apr 14 01:01:06 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 01:01 |
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Rajen | hi, all I want to consult a openstack-ci question about nodepool. i set up a openstack-ci env, using common community method, after ci-master accomplished and then starting ci-slave node, the ci-slave vm cann't get the floating ip. nodepool.yaml is setting up like: (a snippet in providers section) networks: -name:admin_floating_net public:true. is there any problems for the configure in the above "networks" section? | 01:04 |
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clarkb | Rajen: can you ask in #openstack-infra? | 01:11 |
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Rajen | ok, thank you | 01:11 |
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emagana | #startmeeting networking-guide | 16:01 |
openstack | Meeting started Thu Apr 14 16:01:41 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is emagana. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_guide' | 16:01 |
emagana | hello all! | 16:02 |
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Sam-I-Am | emagana: hello | 16:03 |
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njohnsto_ | o/ | 16:04 |
emagana | My apologies for not sending a reminder | 16:04 |
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emagana | with a couple of weeks before the summit I have even less time for anything.. | 16:04 |
Sam-I-Am | heh | 16:05 |
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Sam-I-Am | none of us have time | 16:05 |
emagana | #topic Open Items | 16:05 |
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emagana | Let's have a chat on what we can still do before the summit if any.. | 16:05 |
Sam-I-Am | i've been stuck on the summit presentation on MTU | 16:05 |
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Sam-I-Am | well, i've started working on mitaka updates for the scenarios in the guide | 16:06 |
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Sam-I-Am | a little late, but better late than never | 16:06 |
emagana | Sam-I-Am: With Mitaka released, we should just update the whole guide to Mitaka instead of liberty.. | 16:07 |
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Sam-I-Am | well, we're publishing master as /mitaka on the docs site, but we havent cut stable/mitaka yet | 16:07 |
Sam-I-Am | so any changes to master now will be published as mitaka without a backport | 16:07 |
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Sam-I-Am | a lot of mitaka-only things are already in there, mostly from neutron developers working on features | 16:08 |
Sam-I-Am | including another scenario or two | 16:08 |
Sam-I-Am | but the existing scenarios need love, especially now that MTU is fixed. | 16:08 |
emagana | when is the cus to stable? | 16:08 |
emagana | the cut* | 16:08 |
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emagana | Sam-I-Am: I did a review of all references to Liberty to make sure we are fine... | 16:10 |
Sam-I-Am | emagana: probably a couple weeks | 16:10 |
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emagana | I have few changes in my dev environment that should submit soon | 16:10 |
Sam-I-Am | after the summit is my guess | 16:10 |
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Sam-I-Am | good news is i'll have more time for the networking guide during the N cycle | 16:11 |
emagana | great news! | 16:11 |
Sam-I-Am | its been sort of neglected in light of the installation guide | 16:11 |
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Sam-I-Am | but i'm no longer contributing to the install guide | 16:11 |
emagana | bad news, I will have less time.. | 16:11 |
Sam-I-Am | that ended with mitaka | 16:11 |
Sam-I-Am | decided it was too political | 16:11 |
Sam-I-Am | but the networking guide needs lots of love, so its ok with me | 16:12 |
emagana | Sam-I-Am: Why? You were ..... ok.. I stop | 16:12 |
emagana | You said it all | 16:12 |
Sam-I-Am | yeah :) | 16:12 |
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Sam-I-Am | politics outweighed the fun | 16:12 |
emagana | sadly.. | 16:12 |
emagana | well, networking guide is your thing ;-) | 16:12 |
Sam-I-Am | it is | 16:12 |
Sam-I-Am | and i'm really excited about hopefully getting more time to work on it | 16:12 |
Sam-I-Am | the install guide really consumes a lot of time | 16:12 |
emagana | excellent.. | 16:12 |
Sam-I-Am | and now that we have neutron folks contributing to the networking guide its even better | 16:13 |
Sam-I-Am | real docs, imagine that | 16:13 |
emagana | indeed! | 16:13 |
Sam-I-Am | so what's consuming all your time lately? | 16:13 |
emagana | we had a lot of great contributions this time | 16:13 |
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emagana | Sam-I-Am: User Committee, SuperUser Award, Our Production CLoud.... | 16:13 |
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emagana | Two kids and a wife... | 16:14 |
emagana | :-) | 16:14 |
Sam-I-Am | oh, didnt know you were involved with user and superuser | 16:14 |
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Sam-I-Am | ah, right, i dont know about that wife/kids thing | 16:14 |
emagana | ok.. move on.. | 16:14 |
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Sam-I-Am | yep | 16:14 |
emagana | #topic Austin Summit | 16:15 |
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emagana | We have a session.. | 16:15 |
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Sam-I-Am | is it under docs or neutron? | 16:15 |
Sam-I-Am | i havent had time to look at the sched yet | 16:15 |
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Sam-I-Am | been too busy working on a pres | 16:15 |
emagana | #info Workroom (40 min slot) - Thu 11:50 | 16:15 |
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Sam-I-Am | cool, that'll hopefully be good | 16:16 |
emagana | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/austin-2016/summit-schedule/global-search?t=Documentation%3A | 16:16 |
emagana | we have also etherpad | 16:17 |
emagana | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/austin-docs-workgroup-networking | 16:17 |
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emagana | So, put it in your calendar | 16:17 |
Sam-I-Am | got it | 16:17 |
emagana | #action all add input to etherpad to discuss in austin | 16:17 |
Sam-I-Am | thankfully the networking guide isn't very political | 16:18 |
Sam-I-Am | so we might actually be productive | 16:18 |
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emagana | Sam-I-Am: And I will make sure we kick out any political thing | 16:19 |
emagana | I will bring my no vendor-specific information banner to the session | 16:19 |
Sam-I-Am | haha yeah | 16:19 |
Sam-I-Am | that might come up, i forgot about it | 16:19 |
Sam-I-Am | sort of been quiet :) | 16:19 |
emagana | ok... I dont really have much to discuss... | 16:20 |
emagana | #topic Open Discussion | 16:20 |
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emagana | Anything? | 16:20 |
Sam-I-Am | me neither. just working on getting a mitaka system up with 9000 mtu to update the scenarios. | 16:20 |
Sam-I-Am | you coming to the MTU presentation? | 16:20 |
emagana | #info we cancel the next IRC meeting, because we are going to be in Austin | 16:21 |
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emagana | next meeting will be May 12th | 16:21 |
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emagana | Sam-I-Am: send me the link to the MTU one | 16:21 |
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Sam-I-Am | emagana: https://www.openstack.org/summit/austin-2016/summit-schedule/events/7751?goback=1 | 16:23 |
emagana | In my calendar.. perfect.. I will see you there | 16:23 |
emagana | OK.. Thank you all.. | 16:23 |
Sam-I-Am | aight | 16:23 |
Sam-I-Am | have a good day | 16:23 |
emagana | #endmeeting | 16:24 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Thu Apr 14 16:24:26 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:24 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_guide/2016/networking_guide.2016-04-14-16.01.html | 16:24 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_guide/2016/networking_guide.2016-04-14-16.01.txt | 16:24 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_guide/2016/networking_guide.2016-04-14-16.01.log.html | 16:24 |
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oomichi | #startmeeting qa | 17:00 |
openstack | Meeting started Thu Apr 14 17:00:06 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is oomichi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'qa' | 17:00 |
oomichi | hi, who's here today? | 17:00 |
sdague | o/ | 17:00 |
fnaval | o/ | 17:00 |
mtreinish | hi | 17:00 |
oomichi | sdague: fnaval: mtreinish: hi | 17:00 |
ylobankov | hi! sorry for a long absence. was on vacation | 17:01 |
fnaval | hello - i haven't attended in a long time; getting a feel of the state of Openstack QA now | 17:01 |
oomichi | ylobankov: hi, no worry :-) | 17:01 |
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oomichi | ok, lets start | 17:01 |
oomichi | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/QATeamMeeting#Agenda_for_April_14th_2016_.281700_UTC.29 | 17:02 |
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oomichi | ^^^ today agenda | 17:02 |
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oomichi | #topic Specs Reviews | 17:02 |
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oomichi | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/qa-specs,n,z | 17:02 |
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oomichi | there are several specs on the gerrit | 17:02 |
oomichi | and most ones are red. | 17:03 |
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oomichi | we need to update them as comments if wanting to approve | 17:03 |
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oomichi | mine is the first, but it needs more time | 17:03 |
oomichi | that sould be WIP | 17:03 |
mtreinish | oomichi: which one is that? | 17:04 |
oomichi | someone have a spec if picking it up now? | 17:04 |
oomichi | mtreinish: swagger one: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/297473 | 17:04 |
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oomichi | I am done as WIP | 17:04 |
hogepodge | o/ | 17:04 |
oomichi | hogepodge: hi | 17:04 |
oomichi | at requires more considering | 17:05 |
oomichi | s/at/that/ | 17:05 |
luzC | o/ | 17:05 |
oomichi | luzC: hi | 17:05 |
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sdague | oomichi: I think the swagger spec assumed that swagger could be used in parts, instead of needing to be used as a whole | 17:05 |
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oomichi | sdague: yeah, that can make confusions | 17:06 |
oomichi | sdague: we need a big picture how to implement/create whole swagger at the first step | 17:06 |
sdague | I do understand the desire to use some structured standard, but we have to remember when doing that that we have to be 100% conformant to such standard, otherwise it's not useful | 17:06 |
sdague | and potentially damaging | 17:07 |
jlvillal | o/ | 17:07 |
oomichi | sdague: yeah, I agree | 17:07 |
oomichi | sdague: I am creating the picture how to combine these data for whole swagger. I am stopping qa swagger-spec until it done | 17:08 |
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sdague | oomichi: ok. I'm not sure it's really worth the time right now though. There are a lot of more concrete things to make life better. | 17:09 |
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oomichi | sdague: yeah, that is long-time goal | 17:09 |
oomichi | sdague: nice to do more actual merit thing | 17:09 |
oomichi | sdague: that is just PoC | 17:10 |
oomichi | as my hobby :) | 17:10 |
oomichi | can we move to the next topic? | 17:10 |
sdague | yes | 17:10 |
oomichi | if not having more items about qa-spec | 17:10 |
oomichi | ok, let's move on | 17:11 |
oomichi | #topic Tempest | 17:11 |
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oomichi | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/tempest+status:open | 17:11 |
dstanek | o/ better late than never | 17:11 |
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oomichi | there are a lot of patches on the review | 17:12 |
oomichi | and most patches seem to be reviewing | 17:12 |
oomichi | that seems a good progress | 17:12 |
oomichi | I don't have special patches for picking them up here | 17:13 |
oomichi | anyone have patches or idea for picking up here? | 17:13 |
mtreinish | I was wondering when adding nova microversion tests, should we update the schema in a separate patch or keep it with the test? | 17:13 |
mtreinish | I'm thinking we want it to be self testing so it should be all in 1 patch | 17:14 |
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mtreinish | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/tempest+branch:master+topic:bp/virt-device-role-tagging | 17:14 |
mtreinish | that's what made me think about the topic | 17:14 |
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oomichi | mtreinish: yeah, IMO it is nice to merge them in a single patch for verifying the schema | 17:14 |
oomichi | with the gate test. | 17:14 |
sdague | it would be nice if we could avoid https://review.openstack.org/#/c/305456/2/tempest/lib/api_schema/response/compute/v2_19/servers.py | 17:15 |
patchbot | sdague: patch 305456 - tempest - Update get server response schema | 17:15 |
sdague | the model of doing patching to our schemas makes it actually quite hard to see what the schema really is | 17:15 |
sdague | it would be nicer if those were exploded out, especially assuming a future where old stuff is actually deleted eventually | 17:16 |
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oomichi | sdague: do you want to write all schema data for each microversion? | 17:17 |
sdague | yeh, I think so | 17:17 |
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oomichi | sdague: that could be big and a little hard to know what difference between microversions | 17:17 |
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sdague | they will be big, but they will let you evaluate what a particular resource looks like fully | 17:18 |
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mtreinish | yeah I agree with sdague here, this is really hard to follow: https://github.com/openstack/tempest/blob/master/tempest/lib/api_schema/response/compute/v2_2/keypairs.py | 17:18 |
oomichi | I can see your point. current way is not so readable to know what is expected schema from human POV | 17:18 |
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sdague | right, and the point of this code in tree is for humans to understand it | 17:19 |
sdague | we should optimize for humans | 17:19 |
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sdague | and make a tool to generate schema diffs between versions if that's helpful to see | 17:19 |
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oomichi | mtreinish: humm, yeah, nice sample | 17:20 |
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sdague | mtreinish: right, keypairs is an excellent example. It would take someone quite a while to actually get that fully in their head | 17:20 |
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oomichi | I see | 17:20 |
fnaval_ | seeing it for the first time, I agree | 17:20 |
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sdague | is there a reasonable way to include yaml files in the tempest resource package that we could reference as a resource? I remember mordred saying something about that in the past. | 17:21 |
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mtreinish | sdague: like this spec: https://review.openstack.org/173334 ? | 17:22 |
oomichi | sdague: is that to convert json-schema to yaml files on tempest? | 17:22 |
mtreinish | or are you talking about something else? | 17:22 |
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sdague | mtreinish: not that | 17:22 |
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mtreinish | sdague: heh, it had all the buzzwords resources and yaml :) | 17:22 |
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sdague | I think this https://pythonhosted.org/setuptools/pkg_resources.html | 17:23 |
sdague | basically that there would be yaml files that can be programatically accessed without config | 17:23 |
sdague | because the python package manages them | 17:23 |
sdague | oomichi: yeh, for json schema in files | 17:23 |
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sdague | keystone is doing it in yaml, because it allows comments | 17:23 |
sdague | and it's very nice | 17:23 |
mtreinish | sdague: yeah, that's why we did python files so we could have comments and stuff. But I guess a big dict is still kinda ugly | 17:24 |
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sdague | anyway, it's a little afar now, but the current jsonschema handling in nova / tempest ends up being pretty unreadable to anyone that's not super familiar with it | 17:24 |
sdague | which means very few people can understand the validation, which makes it error prone | 17:25 |
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oomichi | sdague: yeah, nice to better way for many people | 17:25 |
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oomichi | and the package idea is interesting for me | 17:25 |
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oomichi | I d like to confirm one conclusion | 17:26 |
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oomichi | is it fine to write all json-schema data for each microversion? | 17:27 |
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oomichi | I agree with that for readability | 17:27 |
oomichi | or any objections here? | 17:27 |
mtreinish | oomichi: yeah I think it'll probably be better that way. So everything is there, the current model of inheritence with overwriting fields is really hard to figure out | 17:28 |
oomichi | if not, I will talk about it with gmann who is most active for this schema work | 17:28 |
oomichi | ok, will talk about it with gmann | 17:28 |
oomichi | #action oomichi talks about separation of json-schema for each microversion with gmann | 17:29 |
oomichi | do we have more topic about tempest here? | 17:29 |
sdague | oomichi: I agree with mtreinish | 17:29 |
oomichi | sdague: I see, thanks for pointing it up | 17:29 |
oomichi | ok, let's move on | 17:30 |
oomichi | #topic DevStack + Grenade | 17:30 |
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oomichi | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack-dev/devstack+status:open | 17:30 |
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oomichi | there are many patches about devstack also | 17:31 |
oomichi | someone want to talk about devstack/grenade here? | 17:31 |
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mtreinish | I don't have anything for this week | 17:32 |
oomichi | mtreinish: thanks. ok, let's move on | 17:32 |
mtreinish | we could always pester sc68cal about the neutron rewrite :) | 17:32 |
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sdague | the only notable bits are the swift multinode code | 17:32 |
mtreinish | sdague: oh, that all landed? | 17:33 |
sdague | not yet | 17:33 |
sdague | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/304468/ is the devstack change needed | 17:33 |
patchbot | sdague: patch 304468 - openstack-dev/devstack - Add variable SWIFT_STORAGE_IPS | 17:33 |
sdague | then there is a bunch of d-g changes as well | 17:33 |
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sdague | but it would be good to land that bit | 17:34 |
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* mtreinish looks | 17:34 | |
notmyname | I'm catching up on cschwede's work on that. it's tracked on https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/swift-rolling-upgrade-multinode-testing | 17:34 |
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notmyname | (the multinode, rolling upgrade testing for swift) | 17:34 |
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notmyname | cschwede is the person to talk to (but it's nearly 8pm for him right now) | 17:35 |
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sdague | notmyname: yep, he's been pretty responsive, I just +2ed the devstack patch he respun this morning | 17:35 |
notmyname | great, thanks | 17:35 |
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oomichi | notmyname: are all necessary patches proposed already for testing? | 17:36 |
notmyname | oomichi: I don't know. I've been traveling this week, and I'm just catching up today | 17:36 |
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oomichi | notmyname: ah, ok. I will check it later | 17:37 |
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oomichi | can we move to the next topic if not having more about devstack/grenade | 17:38 |
sdague | oomichi: in the d-g patches I looked at this morning there is a bit of an order of operations mismatch with the way that multinode d-g assumes it can do things. I was going to try to catch cschwede in the morning to chat about possible options there that don't require tearing down the whole flow model in d-g | 17:38 |
sdague | oomichi: yeh, we can move on | 17:38 |
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oomichi | sdague: Thanks for info | 17:39 |
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* oomichi needs more time later for understanding | 17:39 | |
oomichi | #topic Austin Summit | 17:39 |
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oomichi | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-qa-summit-topics | 17:40 |
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oomichi | I am trying to push topics to available slots based on voting | 17:40 |
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oomichi | and one slot remains now | 17:40 |
oomichi | at the last work room. | 17:41 |
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mtreinish | oomichi: I don't think everyone pays attention to the interested section. I know I really didn't :) | 17:41 |
oomichi | mtreinish: humm, what is meaning? | 17:42 |
oomichi | is it difficult to understand the contents from the titles? | 17:42 |
mtreinish | I didn't bother saying which sessions I was interested in on the etherpad (except for the first day) | 17:42 |
mtreinish | I don't think it's a reliable voting system | 17:42 |
sdague | do we actually need the ceph session? I thought that was basically all solved | 17:43 |
mtreinish | sdague: you asked for it | 17:43 |
sdague | we're just waiting on clarkb to get the ceph package mirror working | 17:43 |
fnaval_ | I updated the etherpad with my nick for the sessions im interested in | 17:43 |
sdague | mtreinish: when did I ask for it? | 17:43 |
clarkb | sdague: my suggestion at this point would be for someone else to finish cleaning up that patch | 17:44 |
clarkb | bceause I keep getting pulled away to extinguish fires | 17:44 |
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sdague | clarkb: what sort of access does such a person need to be able to test it reasonably? | 17:44 |
mtreinish | sdague: like a month ago? when we were talking about bring the ceph devstack plugin into qa | 17:44 |
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clarkb | sdague: you just need to be able to run reprepro | 17:44 |
sdague | mtreinish: right, but I thought we basically built a plan and almost fully executed it already | 17:44 |
clarkb | sdague: then an infra root can handle the afs bits but that should be mostly transparetn because ext4 vs afs are similar enough in this case | 17:45 |
sdague | clarkb: ok | 17:45 |
mtreinish | sdague: I thought there were open questions, like do we bake the plugin back into tempest | 17:45 |
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mtreinish | do we use ceph everywhere instead of lvm, etc | 17:46 |
sdague | mtreinish: you mean devstack? | 17:46 |
clarkb | and the change is mostly done, it has some small things that need fixing and maybe a rebase | 17:46 |
mtreinish | yeah, sorry devstack | 17:46 |
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sdague | mtreinish: ok, that's fine if there are more topics. I just thought that we were mostly sorted. | 17:46 |
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sdague | personally, I think a plugin is a better model | 17:47 |
mtreinish | I mean if we don't need the session great, it's not necessary. I definitely don't think it needs a fishbowl if we do have one | 17:47 |
sdague | yeh, I would put the more generic devstack one into the fishbowl over that one for sure | 17:47 |
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sdague | and I'm not sure that it's really needed. Maybe make it a touch point on the friday meetup | 17:48 |
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mtreinish | sdague: that works for me, although now our session gap is 2 workrooms :) | 17:48 |
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oomichi | oh.. | 17:49 |
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mtreinish | oomichi: I updated the etherpad for you | 17:49 |
oomichi | ok, how about having code sprint type sessions instead? | 17:49 |
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oomichi | mtreinish: thanks, I see | 17:49 |
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oomichi | for work rooms | 17:50 |
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mtreinish | oomichi: personally I don't think that'll work for me. I'm normally too busy and overworked during summit a code sprint doesn't work for me | 17:50 |
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mtreinish | I wouldn't be able to concentrate on it (and I'll likely just go to a different session) | 17:50 |
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oomichi | mtreinish: hum, yeah | 17:51 |
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mtreinish | oomichi: we could do unsessions, where it's free form discussion. Or we can talk to ttx and give them to people who need the slot | 17:52 |
oomichi | but we cannot work actually in the summit, nice to have sessions for creating ptaches based on the discussion | 17:52 |
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mtreinish | oomichi: what happened to the tempest resource tracker topic? | 17:53 |
hogepodge | This may not be the place to bring this up (I was waiting for the open discussion), but there are a few defcore related topics that will could have an impact on Tempest during the next cycle. I do want to talk with the Tempest team about some of these things during the Austin summit. It probably doesn't warrant a full session, though. | 17:53 |
oomichi | mtreinish: yeah, a nice idea if we don't have more idea now | 17:53 |
mtreinish | oomichi: also I feel like we should have a cli topic | 17:53 |
mtreinish | oomichi: and hogepodge just volunteered to run a defcore tempest session | 17:53 |
mtreinish | so there are 3 topics to fill 2 slots :) | 17:53 |
oomichi | mtreinish: I told about it with andreaf, and he said we don't have more topics we need to discuss at the summit | 17:53 |
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mtreinish | oomichi: ok, then how about Tempest CLI and tempest x defcore | 17:54 |
oomichi | mtreinish: yeah, I asked CLIs thing with masayukig, and he also doesn't have more | 17:54 |
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oomichi | hogepodge: yeah, nice idea. thanks | 17:54 |
oomichi | hogepodge: can you write it on the etherpad? | 17:54 |
hogepodge | oomichi: thank you, I will | 17:54 |
oomichi | hogepodge: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-qa-summit-topics | 17:54 |
oomichi | hogepodge: thanks | 17:55 |
oomichi | then one slot remains | 17:55 |
mtreinish | oomichi: really? so there are approved specs with a plan on how to evolve the cli | 17:55 |
sdague | hogepodge: I would put it in a real session, I think that unless you do so it doesn't really get advertised | 17:55 |
mtreinish | sdague: ++ | 17:55 |
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hogepodge | advertisement is good, and there is a push for much more active test development | 17:55 |
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mtreinish | oomichi: I think masayukig must have been talking about migrating the old cli utils to the new cliff framework, but despite >1 yr we still don't think we have a concrete plan on the cli | 17:56 |
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oomichi | mtreinish: can you put the link the spec? | 17:56 |
sdague | yeh, having a real CLI would be great | 17:56 |
hogepodge | within the defcore committee, so a full session would work great. I just don't want to step on any toes, or be presumptuous | 17:56 |
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sdague | that would be something I think should get time, though it does need a driver | 17:56 |
sdague | hogepodge: I think a full session defcore / tempest is totally reasonable | 17:57 |
mtreinish | oomichi: there aren't any specs, that's what I was saying. I think there are real things to talk about | 17:57 |
mtreinish | probably a workroom topic | 17:57 |
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sdague | though, that seems more like a fishbowl room instead of a workroom | 17:57 |
oomichi | mtreinish: ok, I see. who is a good person to run it? | 17:57 |
mtreinish | sdague: the tempest cli? | 17:58 |
mtreinish | oomichi: well masayukig had signed up for that in mitaka right? | 17:58 |
sdague | mtreinish: no, the defcore one | 17:58 |
mtreinish | sdague: oh, eyah I agree that's a fishbowl | 17:58 |
sdague | I could imagine that would bring in a bunch of spectators that want to follow along | 17:59 |
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oomichi | mtreinish: but he is concentrating on the exsting one: migration thing | 17:59 |
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mtreinish | well if no one else will lead it I guess I can | 17:59 |
oomichi | then I am not sure he will do that for the future work. | 17:59 |
oomichi | mtreinish: thanks. | 17:59 |
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oomichi | sorry, the time is comming | 18:00 |
mtreinish | I'm just not sure I can commit to doing the work :) | 18:00 |
oomichi | lets move to qa channel. sorry about | 18:00 |
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oomichi | #endmeeting | 18:00 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Thu Apr 14 18:00:19 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:00 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2016/qa.2016-04-14-17.00.html | 18:00 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2016/qa.2016-04-14-17.00.txt | 18:00 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2016/qa.2016-04-14-17.00.log.html | 18:00 |
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dtroyer | #startmeeting openstackclient | 19:01 |
openstack | Meeting started Thu Apr 14 19:01:52 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dtroyer. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:01 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:01 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstackclient' | 19:01 |
rtheis | hi | 19:02 |
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dtroyer | Howdy all! Who is here? | 19:02 |
knikolla | hi | 19:02 |
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tangchen | Hi guys :) | 19:02 |
brad_behle_ | Hi | 19:02 |
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tangchen | Hi, Richard, Steve, Dean | 19:02 |
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dtroyer | Hi Tang, nice to see you here! | 19:03 |
rtheis | hi tangchen, glad you could join | 19:03 |
tangchen | First time for me to join the meeting. | 19:03 |
stevemar | o/ | 19:03 |
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dtroyer | ok, let's get started… | 19:03 |
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dtroyer | #topic meeting time | 19:04 |
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dtroyer | I re-kicked the meeting time thread earlier this week | 19:04 |
dtroyer | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-April/092160.html | 19:04 |
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dtroyer | and only rtheis replied, so I don't think we have much agreement yet... | 19:04 |
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dtroyer | tangchen: does the E.1 and O.3 times work for you? | 19:06 |
tangchen | I'm also OK with Wednesday at 1400 UTC | 19:06 |
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tangchen | dtroyer: Sorry, I'd prefer 0.2 | 19:07 |
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tangchen | Wednesday at 1400 UTC | 19:07 |
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tangchen | It is 3 am now...... | 19:07 |
tangchen | I don't think I can join the meeting every time at 3 am. | 19:08 |
rtheis | tangchen: I think the idea was to alternate so you could join every other time | 19:08 |
dtroyer | that's why we want to alternate the times, having them all at 1300/1400 isn't much of a switch | 19:08 |
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dtroyer | that puts someone else at a bad time all of the time | 19:09 |
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tangchen | Oh, OK. 1300 works for me. :) | 19:10 |
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dtroyer | ok, thanks. | 19:10 |
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dtroyer | I'd like to hear from sheel at least too, he brought this up to start with… | 19:10 |
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dtroyer | tangchen: could you reply to the thread please? That might bump it to the top of sheel's inbox. | 19:12 |
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tangchen | OK, I'll reply. | 19:13 |
dtroyer | next week is odd, so it looks like we'd keep this slot, but we should get the room booked so we don't lose it | 19:13 |
dtroyer | and have the new time in two weeks | 19:13 |
dtroyer | tangchen: thanks | 19:13 |
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tangchen | dtroyer: Welcome. And thanks for the changes. | 19:13 |
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dtroyer | #topic reviews | 19:14 |
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dtroyer | anyone have reviews to bring up here? | 19:14 |
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rtheis | Is the keystoneauth patch ready for reviews? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/276350/ | 19:15 |
patchbot | rtheis: patch 276350 - python-openstackclient - Moving authentication from keystoneclient to keyst... | 19:15 |
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* dtroyer reads stevemar's last comment | 19:16 | |
dtroyer | agreed, it doesn't merge until after the next release | 19:16 |
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dtroyer | otherwise, how does it look? | 19:16 |
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rtheis_ | sorry, I lost connectivity | 19:18 |
dtroyer | np, that's usually when it happens ;) | 19:18 |
rtheis_ | I don't have other reviews to bring up | 19:19 |
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tangchen | I'd like to invite you to review the floating ip rework | 19:20 |
tangchen | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/300388/ | 19:20 |
patchbot | tangchen: patch 300388 - python-openstackclient - Transfer "ip floating pool list" to "floating ip p... | 19:20 |
tangchen | This thread. 4 of them. | 19:20 |
dtroyer | tangchen: I want to hold off on those also until after the next release | 19:20 |
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dtroyer | and the server group chain too | 19:21 |
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dtroyer | rtheis_: is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/304826/ good now, once the deps are in? | 19:22 |
patchbot | dtroyer: patch 304826 - python-openstackclient - Fix client certificate/key support for Network v2 ... | 19:22 |
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dtroyer | I'd like that in before the release if possible | 19:22 |
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rtheis_ | yes, once we have deps then that is good to go | 19:22 |
tangchen__ | I think I lost connectivity too.... | 19:22 |
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dtroyer | also https://review.openstack.org/#/c/300305/ before the release | 19:23 |
patchbot | dtroyer: patch 300305 - python-openstackclient - Append existing information during port set | 19:23 |
tangchen__ | And how about this, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/293997/ | 19:23 |
patchbot | tangchen__: patch 293997 - python-openstackclient - Enhance exception handling for "network delete" co... | 19:23 |
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dtroyer | I think those are the only fixes for new commands left | 19:23 |
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rtheis_ | yep | 19:24 |
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knikolla | i’d like some feedback on how to move forward with https://review.openstack.org/#/c/296582/ | 19:24 |
patchbot | knikolla: patch 296582 - python-openstackclient - WIP - Calls to K2K Federated Service Providers | 19:24 |
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rtheis_ | tangchen__: that probably should wait until after release | 19:24 |
knikolla | once the change to keystoneauth merges | 19:25 |
tangchen__ | rtheis_: OK, will wait after the release. | 19:25 |
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dtroyer | knikolla: I haven't looked at that in depth, it looks like once https://review.openstack.org/#/c/276350/ goes in you'll have a bit of work to do. | 19:27 |
patchbot | dtroyer: patch 276350 - python-openstackclient - Moving authentication from keystoneclient to keyst... | 19:27 |
dtroyer | you could rebase on top of that and see what changes out from under you. | 19:27 |
dtroyer | also, —sp needs thought. | 19:28 |
tangchen__ | dtroyer, rtheis_: BTW, I never took part in the OSC release job. Would you please tell me what could I do to help ? | 19:28 |
dtroyer | We (usually) prefix global options with —os- (and ran into some trouble with —profile because we didn't do that recently) | 19:28 |
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knikolla | dtroyer: so —os-sp? | 19:28 |
dtroyer | but we also rarely use abbreviations or sing letter options | 19:28 |
dtroyer | *single letter | 19:29 |
dtroyer | —os-service-provider is long though…other options? | 19:29 |
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knikolla | dtroyer: well i initially had it as —service-provider, but after typing it on each single command i had to abbreviate it | 19:29 |
dtroyer | but we have other long options too | 19:29 |
knikolla | dtroyer: i really feel like it should be as short as possible without breaking things | 19:30 |
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knikolla | dtroyer: also what other things need to accompany the change? (release notes/docs?) | 19:30 |
dtroyer | is that something that will be typed often? or set in clouds.yaml and left alone? | 19:30 |
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dtroyer | or in the environment? | 19:31 |
knikolla | dtroyer: i imagine it will be typed often | 19:31 |
knikolla | dtroyer: as there could be multiple service providers | 19:31 |
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knikolla | dtroyer: i’m not sure if it could be inserted in clouds.yaml. i imagine it might. | 19:31 |
dtroyer | if I'm a could user, mucking about in my VMs, do I change service providers much? | 19:32 |
dtroyer | *cloud user | 19:32 |
clarkb | dtroyer: knikolla when I use my 9 regions I use --os-cloud and --os-region name | 19:32 |
dtroyer | I have no idea the use cases here | 19:32 |
clarkb | not sure what service-provider is exposing | 19:32 |
knikolla | clarkb: service provider exposes other openstack deployments federated with keystone 2 keystone | 19:33 |
clarkb | seems like that would typically be in clouds.yaml | 19:33 |
dtroyer | that's what I am thinking too | 19:33 |
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clarkb | via the auth info | 19:33 |
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dtroyer | knikolla: the other bits we would want to see in that review are an update to the openstack man page (global option docs) and a release note | 19:34 |
dtroyer | and somewhere a description of how it is used, or how to know if you need to use it? | 19:35 |
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knikolla | dtroyer: i’ ll work on that part of the documentation. | 19:36 |
knikolla | dtroyer: but it’s something that most clouds will not make use of. | 19:36 |
dtroyer | ok. somehow we should convey that so new users don't think it is something they always need to know | 19:36 |
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knikolla | dtroyer: agreed. | 19:37 |
dtroyer | any other reviews? | 19:37 |
tangchen__ | I don't have any review now. | 19:38 |
rtheis_ | nothing else from me | 19:38 |
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dtroyer | #topic bugs | 19:39 |
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dtroyer | Are there bugs that need the team's attention? | 19:39 |
tangchen__ | nothing now for me. | 19:40 |
clarkb | I had one thing I wanted to ask if it would be considered a bug. list image images in a script pages. So my script doesn't get a full list of images and can't properly operate on all of them without using a ridiculously large --limit arg | 19:40 |
clarkb | is this by design or should the paging only happen when stdout is attached to something useful? | 19:40 |
rtheis_ | tangchen__: I commented in a couple bugs you own asking if they could be closed | 19:40 |
rtheis_ | no rush on reply but would be nice to close what we can | 19:41 |
dtroyer | clarkb: hmmm… I don't recall seeing that, it is a recent change? | 19:41 |
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tangchen__ | rtheis_: OK, I didn't notice that. Will reply soon. | 19:41 |
rtheis_ | thanks | 19:41 |
clarkb | dtroyer: I don't think so, but I can dig up more details and file a bug if that is helpful | 19:41 |
dtroyer | I don't think it should page without some sort of arguemnt to cause it | 19:42 |
clarkb | dtroyer: cool I will go ahead and file a bug | 19:42 |
dtroyer | is that for v1 or v2 Image? | 19:42 |
clarkb | I believe v2 | 19:42 |
dtroyer | that may be part of it (for me anyway) | 19:42 |
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dtroyer | clarkb: I do think that forcing off paging when stdout is not a tty would be good to do in general | 19:43 |
clarkb | dtroyer: great will include that in the bug | 19:43 |
dtroyer | thanks | 19:44 |
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dtroyer | any other bugs? | 19:45 |
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rtheis_ | nothing else | 19:45 |
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dtroyer | #topic open discussion | 19:46 |
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dtroyer | What's on your minds today? | 19:46 |
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tangchen__ | dtroyer, rtheis_: BTW, I never took part in the OSC release job. Would you please tell me what could I do to help ? | 19:47 |
rtheis_ | translation...do the docs and help get translated? | 19:47 |
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rtheis_ | I noticed the network commands aren't using from openstackclient.i18n import _ | 19:47 |
rtheis_ | should they be? | 19:48 |
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dtroyer | tangchen__: the release process itself is pretty simple, one review to the releases repo asking for the tag, and a followup to the requirements repo to bump the cap | 19:48 |
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dtroyer | most of what I do is sanity-checking things like the release notes and docs | 19:48 |
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dtroyer | rtheis_: I don't think any of our text files are translated, and only the _() marked strings. | 19:49 |
dtroyer | I'd guess that the percentage of help strings that are wrapped for translation is embarassingly small | 19:49 |
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dtroyer | so that is something we should add to the list of things to think about and do soon | 19:50 |
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dtroyer | ah! | 19:50 |
rtheis_ | dtroyer: open a bug or bp to track? | 19:50 |
tangchen__ | rtheis_, dtroyer: Sorry, I didn't know that. So should all help strings be marked with a _(), right ? | 19:50 |
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tangchen__ | rtheis_: Yes, that is what I am thinking. | 19:51 |
dtroyer | rtheis_: just one if it's a bug… | 19:51 |
dtroyer | tangchen__: I think we've decided that only the help strings should get translated | 19:52 |
tangchen__ | dtroyer: OK. | 19:52 |
rtheis_ | dtroyer: okay, I'll open one bug | 19:52 |
tangchen__ | rtheis_: Please get me subscribed. | 19:53 |
rtheis_ | ok | 19:53 |
tangchen__ | thx | 19:53 |
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dtroyer | I'll have the etherpad for the summit session up soon, be thinking about what we should be dealing with in person in Austin | 19:54 |
dtroyer | I will talk a little on the UX study we completed recently | 19:54 |
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dtroyer | (hint: help is a mess) | 19:54 |
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dtroyer | we have one fishbowl session, one meetup-style session immediately following the fishbowl, and Friday afternoon workgroup | 19:56 |
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tangchen__ | One thing I'd like to ask, maybe it is a long work. All other commands except network are using other client now, not sdk. Will we plan to migrate them all to sdk, and abandon other clients ? | 19:57 |
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dtroyer | tangchen__: that is the long-term plan | 19:57 |
rtheis_ | unfortunately, I will only be in Austin on Monday and Tuesday | 19:57 |
dtroyer | we used the SDK for network because those are all new commands, the others we're waiting for SDK 1.0 to release | 19:57 |
tangchen__ | dtroyer: yes | 19:57 |
dtroyer | rtheis_: :( | 19:57 |
tangchen__ | dtroyer: OK. | 19:58 |
stevemar | my meeting conflict took much longer than expected | 19:58 |
stevemar | i'll read the scroll back :( | 19:58 |
dtroyer | someone want to read stevemar his list of actions? | 19:58 |
dtroyer | no wonder he'll accept any meeting time, he's booked all week anyway! | 19:59 |
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dtroyer | (the joys of being a core PTL) | 19:59 |
tangchen__ | :) | 19:59 |
dtroyer | ok, we're at time… thanks everyone! Same time next week, then summit! | 20:00 |
dtroyer | #endmeeting | 20:00 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Thu Apr 14 20:00:29 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:00 |
rtheis_ | bye | 20:00 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstackclient/2016/openstackclient.2016-04-14-19.01.html | 20:00 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstackclient/2016/openstackclient.2016-04-14-19.01.txt | 20:00 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstackclient/2016/openstackclient.2016-04-14-19.01.log.html | 20:00 |
tangchen__ | bye | 20:00 |
dtroyer | tangchen__: thanks for getting up to join us | 20:00 |
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dtroyer | or not going to bed yet, whichever? | 20:01 |
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mriedem | #startmeeting nova | 21:00 |
openstack | Meeting started Thu Apr 14 21:00:51 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mriedem. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
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openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova' | 21:00 |
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jroll | hai | 21:00 |
tonyb | o/ | 21:00 |
dansmith | o/ | 21:01 |
diana_clarke | o/ | 21:01 |
melwitt | o/ | 21:01 |
knikolla | o/ | 21:01 |
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sdague | o/ | 21:01 |
bauzas | \o | 21:01 |
sarafraj | o/ | 21:01 |
edleafe | \o | 21:01 |
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mriedem | #link agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Nova#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 21:01 |
scottda | hi | 21:01 |
rdopiera | o/ | 21:01 |
auggy | \o/ | 21:01 |
mriedem | #topic bugs | 21:01 |
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DuncanT | Lo | 21:01 |
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mriedem | gate status looks ok | 21:02 |
mriedem | i don't really have any status on third party ci, not sure if the mellanox ci is fixed yet | 21:02 |
mriedem | lennyb: ^ any idea? | 21:02 |
mriedem | it was hitting merge conflicts | 21:02 |
alaski | o/ | 21:02 |
dansmith | I don't see it commenting even lately | 21:02 |
mriedem | i pinged tjones this morning about vmware ci not running on some changes after multiple rechecks | 21:02 |
dansmith | 2 days since the last report from mellanox that I see | 21:03 |
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mriedem | i haven't checked that ci watch page in awhile | 21:03 |
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mriedem | on a related note for CI | 21:04 |
mriedem | #info There is a proposal to make the ceph plugin job voting and gating (again, kind of): https://review.openstack.org/#/c/306009/ | 21:04 |
patchbot | mriedem: patch 306009 - openstack-infra/project-config - Make the ceph devstack-plugin-based job gating on ... | 21:04 |
dansmith | I love that proposal | 21:04 |
cburgess | late but here | 21:04 |
mriedem | i guess i never heard what kind of fallout there is from not having the mirroring done? | 21:05 |
mriedem | dansmith: do you know? | 21:05 |
dansmith | mriedem: just us controlling our own destiny if the ceph site goes down | 21:05 |
dansmith | which is a good plan for sure | 21:05 |
dansmith | but... | 21:05 |
sdague | it's not just if the site goes down | 21:05 |
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sdague | connectivity from our providers across the wider internet goes squishy quite often | 21:06 |
dansmith | well, heh | 21:06 |
dansmith | okay | 21:06 |
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dansmith | " if the ceph site appears down" | 21:06 |
mriedem | but that hasn't been a problem since red hat has been monitoring has it? | 21:06 |
mriedem | which has been ~1 month now? | 21:06 |
dansmith | nope, more than a month | 21:06 |
dansmith | but it could happen any time | 21:06 |
dansmith | so a month is probably not really a useful metric | 21:06 |
dansmith | we know the internet is not perfect | 21:07 |
mriedem | it's not? | 21:07 |
dansmith | yeah, sorry to burst your bubble | 21:07 |
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sdague | anyway, it's probably worth the risk | 21:07 |
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sdague | we can always make it NV if there are big issues | 21:07 |
sdague | +2ed it right now | 21:08 |
mriedem | is pabelanger going to work on the AFS mirror stuff? | 21:08 |
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dansmith | mriedem: yeah, he is in the next few days it seems | 21:08 |
mriedem | ok, cool | 21:08 |
dansmith | I'm pro going forward without the mirror so the pressure is on though | 21:08 |
dansmith | because I htink it's a safe bet | 21:08 |
sdague | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/293155/ seems to be rebased | 21:08 |
patchbot | sdague: patch 293155 - openstack-infra/system-config - Apt mirror for ceph hammer release | 21:08 |
mriedem | just like the panthers in the super bowl | 21:08 |
mriedem | what could go wrong | 21:08 |
mriedem | related to the ceph job | 21:09 |
mriedem | #help Need someone to convert gate-tempest-dsvm-full-ceph-src-glance_store to using the devstack plugin so we can make that job voting for glance_store and os-brick. | 21:09 |
mriedem | ^ for newcomers | 21:09 |
mriedem | should be some trivial copy/paste/tweak in project-config | 21:09 |
dansmith | I think melwitt said she was bored earlier today | 21:09 |
mriedem | orly, i still have those charts to work on... | 21:09 |
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mriedem | auggy: anything on bugs? | 21:09 |
melwitt | hah | 21:10 |
auggy | mriedem: i don't have much to report, i think people have been doing a great job helping out with the skimming and triage | 21:10 |
bauzas | nothing really huge I saw recently | 21:10 |
mriedem | #link untriaged nova bugs https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?search=Search&field.status=New&orderby=-datecreated&start=0 | 21:11 |
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mriedem | yeah, it's pretty simple, i just triaged this https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1570241 | 21:11 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1570241 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "ERROR (ClientException): Unexpected API Error during type the command: nova virtual-interface-list" [Undecided,Invalid] | 21:11 |
mriedem | by triage i mean marked it invalid | 21:11 |
mriedem | #topic reminders | 21:11 |
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mriedem | #info Launchpad bug spring cleaning day Monday 4/18: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-April/091456.html | 21:11 |
tonyb | mriedem: we coud probably write a script to do that kind of "triage" | 21:11 |
mriedem | tonyb: meh | 21:12 |
auggy | one thing i do try to keep in mind, if an error message could be more helpful, that could be the focus of the bug | 21:12 |
bauzas | sssssht, don't awake the beast | 21:12 |
bauzas | tonyb: ^ | 21:12 |
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auggy | or if we see several where people were following documentation instructions, that could be a doc bug | 21:12 |
mriedem | tonyb: or one of the 377 people in the nova channel could look at a new bug reported once per day | 21:12 |
auggy | the same documentation instructions rather, resulting in a config error | 21:12 |
tonyb | mriedem: true dat I shoudl do that thing | 21:13 |
mriedem | auggy: yeah, that reminds me of the neutron connection error bug where the person didn't have credentials setup properly for nova talking to neutron | 21:13 |
mriedem | auggy: and we talked about wrapping that so it's not a 500 in the nova api | 21:13 |
bauzas | well | 21:13 |
auggy | mriedem: yeah, the bug had already been closed as invalid so i wasn't sure if i should reopen it with that new info or file a new bug | 21:13 |
bauzas | sometimes it's documented | 21:13 |
bauzas | it's just that people don't really look at those | 21:14 |
mriedem | auggy: we should probably have a bug for that regardless, i hit a similar thing last week with listing instances and neutron server was down | 21:14 |
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mriedem | we get a 500 | 21:14 |
auggy | mriedem: kk i'll go ahead and file it and reference that invalid bug | 21:14 |
auggy | i still have notes from the conversation we had about steps towards fixing it | 21:14 |
mriedem | ok, thanks | 21:14 |
* mriedem golf claps for auggy | 21:14 | |
auggy | i believe you had volunteered rlossit so i guess i can just assign it to him?? ;P | 21:15 |
mriedem | eh, maybe | 21:15 |
mriedem | #link Newton review focus list: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-nova-priorities-tracking | 21:15 |
* auggy kids | 21:15 | |
mriedem | ^ mostly a reminder to keep that fresh | 21:15 |
mriedem | as things tend to build up that are already merged | 21:15 |
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mriedem | #link Draft Newton release schedule is up: http://releases.openstack.org/newton/schedule.html | 21:16 |
mriedem | #link Open re-proposed specs: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/nova-specs+status:open+previously-approved | 21:16 |
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mriedem | of those 4, 3 are going to be discussed at the summit | 21:17 |
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mriedem | would be good if we were happier with the glance v2 spec before the summit | 21:17 |
mriedem | i need to go through the recent updates | 21:17 |
mriedem | the volume multiattach spec is probably not ready yet given the nova/cinder meeting we had yesterday | 21:17 |
mriedem | starting to see some progress on the design there at least | 21:17 |
mriedem | We already have 44 approved blueprints: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/newton - 4 are completed, 6 have not started | 21:18 |
mriedem | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/newton | 21:18 |
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mriedem | the ones that dont have code up yet, | 21:19 |
mriedem | i'm starting to worry about | 21:19 |
mriedem | because they didn't have code up last week either | 21:19 |
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mriedem | #help https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/BugTriage#Weekly_bug_skimming_duty Volunteers for 1 week of bug skimming duty? | 21:19 |
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mriedem | looks like we actually have one person for this week | 21:20 |
mriedem | cihand | 21:20 |
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mriedem | #topic stable branch status | 21:20 |
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mriedem | #link Stable branch status: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/stable-tracker | 21:21 |
mriedem | so far so good for nova | 21:21 |
mriedem | we released liberty 12.0.3 today | 21:21 |
mriedem | #topic stuck reviews | 21:21 |
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mriedem | there was nothing in the agenda, does anyone have anything they want to bring up here? | 21:22 |
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mriedem | #topic instance users | 21:22 |
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mriedem | The Cross Project workshops: Instance Users session needs Nova representation. Nova plays a part in the problem and needs to be part of the solution. Can some representatives from Nova please attend so that we can find a supportable solution that everyone will be happy with? Thanks - kfox1111 | 21:22 |
mriedem | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/austin-2016/summit-schedule/events/9485 | 21:22 |
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mriedem | is anyone planning to be in that session? i'm going to be in something else at the same time | 21:23 |
mriedem | hence asking for volunteers | 21:23 |
dansmith | I feel like the overwhelming feedback (and the last time we discussed this) was "do it outside of nova" so I will probably choose to attend something else during that slot | 21:23 |
mriedem | part of me is thinking about volunteering johnthetubaguy since he's (1) on vacation and (2) has replied to the spec before | 21:23 |
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mriedem | alright, moving on...if you plan on being there, please let me or kfox1111 know | 21:24 |
auggy | i can attend and take notes but i can't really speak for nova | 21:24 |
alaski | I probably need to be in the quota one at the same time | 21:24 |
mriedem | alaski: yeah, there was that too | 21:25 |
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bauzas | I would honestly prefer the quota discussion... | 21:25 |
tonyb | I'll be there but as with auggy can't really speak for nova | 21:25 |
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mriedem | auggy: tonyb: ok | 21:25 |
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mriedem | #topic open discussion | 21:26 |
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mriedem | #link Austin Design Summit sessions: https://www.openstack.org/summit/austin-2016/summit-schedule/global-search?t=Nova%3A+ | 21:26 |
bauzas | I have a point | 21:26 |
mriedem | #action mriedem still needs to create some etherpads for the nova design summit sessions | 21:26 |
mriedem | bauzas: hold up | 21:26 |
mriedem | any questions on the design summit sessions? | 21:26 |
bauzas | yup | 21:27 |
mriedem | oh, about this :) | 21:27 |
mriedem | go ahead then | 21:27 |
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bauzas | I saw that feature classif session was on Thurs (AFAIR) but I was thinking about discussing about feature classif also in the performance VMs session | 21:27 |
bauzas | which is on Wed | 21:27 |
bauzas | so, wondering if it was okay for us | 21:28 |
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bauzas | I don't really want to swap the sessions | 21:28 |
dansmith | I'd like to focus on verification stuff during the one on thursday | 21:28 |
mriedem | we wanted feature classification after the API sessions | 21:28 |
dansmith | which I can see spending most of the time on anyway | 21:28 |
mriedem | because of it's relation to API discoverabliilty | 21:28 |
bauzas | okay, let's leave that way | 21:28 |
mriedem | wow, more i's and l's please | 21:28 |
mriedem | yeah there were 3 other xp sessions on thursday afternoon which are strict on scheduling since they are with other projects | 21:29 |
mriedem | anything else on the summit? | 21:29 |
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mriedem | #link Newton midcycle planning: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-April/092014.html | 21:30 |
mtreinish | mriedem: https://www.openstack.org/summit/austin-2016/summit-schedule/events/9081?goback=1 overlaps with the qa track | 21:30 |
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tonyb | mtreinish: you're not the PTL anymore so you can choose ;P | 21:31 |
mriedem | i can see if anything could be shuffled after the meeting | 21:31 |
mriedem | but it's tight | 21:31 |
mtreinish | mriedem: swap it with unconference #2 right after it and the conflict goes away :) | 21:32 |
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mriedem | mtreinish: i won't be in that one | 21:32 |
mriedem | the thurs 1:30 | 21:32 |
mriedem | anyway, can look later | 21:32 |
mriedem | #action mriedem to see if anything can be moved around so QA can be at the feature classification session | 21:33 |
mriedem | for the midcycle | 21:33 |
mriedem | It's sounding like 7/19-7/21 at the Intel campus in Beaverton, OR is what we'll be doing, but it's not confirmed yet. | 21:33 |
mriedem | i never heard back about vmware | 21:34 |
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tonyb | mriedem: did they address mikal's query? | 21:34 |
sdague | PDX is good | 21:34 |
dansmith | that's cool with me.. I don't remember issues at intel | 21:34 |
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mriedem | does anyone have any major issues with that date and location? besides the chaperoned bathroom runs? | 21:34 |
dansmith | I distinctly remember peeing alone | 21:34 |
tonyb | mriedem: do we have feedback from horizon on how ther last mid-cycle wemt? | 21:34 |
bauzas | mriedem: I commented something | 21:34 |
bauzas | mriedem: about the flight prices | 21:35 |
sdague | Intel's network is pretty port locked down, but I thought it ended up fine | 21:35 |
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tonyb | sdague: ssh out? | 21:35 |
david-lyle | IRC won't go through on the guest net, ssh works fine | 21:35 |
dansmith | I vpn out of everything anyway, so I didn't notice | 21:35 |
sdague | oh, maybe that was it, IRC | 21:35 |
mriedem | bauzas: ah, so flights from europe are considerably cheaper in R-15 rather than R-11? | 21:35 |
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mtreinish | david-lyle: does ssh have to go over port 22? | 21:35 |
bauzas | I was only checking on my own | 21:35 |
* tonyb does email/irc/git over ssh anyway so cool | 21:35 | |
bauzas | so that could be only me | 21:36 |
david-lyle | mtreinish: I believe so | 21:36 |
bauzas | just raising a flaf | 21:36 |
bauzas | flag | 21:36 |
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mriedem | i really have no idea how many other people from europe are planning on making the midcycle | 21:36 |
bauzas | but anyway, I don't want to stop things | 21:36 |
mriedem | or asia for that matter | 21:36 |
bauzas | just expressing that point as worth it | 21:37 |
* tonyb will be there | 21:37 | |
mriedem | bauzas: yeah, thanks for looking it up | 21:37 |
mriedem | personally i like the R-11 date for when it falls in the schedule | 21:37 |
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bauzas | i agree | 21:37 |
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bauzas | R-11 showed that it's a good time for sprinting against our left prios | 21:38 |
mriedem | any other stuff about the midcycle? | 21:38 |
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david-lyle | Intel is trying to make sure we have an appropriate room available, WIP | 21:38 |
auggy | i'm also local PDX so if we do go with the Intel option here, I'm happy to help out with any local organization stuff | 21:38 |
david-lyle | but a date helps | 21:39 |
dansmith | david-lyle: we were already told we're good | 21:39 |
mriedem | david-lyle: for either date, yeah | 21:39 |
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david-lyle | dansmith, mriedem ok, I missed that | 21:40 |
sdague | I think R-11 is a better point in our schedule to do it | 21:40 |
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mriedem | yeah, so i'll follow up with them next week | 21:40 |
mriedem | #action follow up with Intel on the midcycle date | 21:40 |
jlvillal | o/ | 21:41 |
mriedem | last item in the agenda is should we have the nova meeting next week? | 21:41 |
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mriedem | i don't expect to make any ground breaking decisions 4 days before the summit | 21:41 |
sdague | it's the early one right? I think it's fine for sorting any last minute summit item | 21:41 |
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mriedem | it is the early one for US people yeah | 21:41 |
edleafe | yeah, a quick meeting would be good | 21:42 |
mriedem | i don't mind holding it and it just ends fast if nothing to talk about | 21:42 |
mriedem | ok | 21:42 |
sdague | yep | 21:42 |
mriedem | i'll find some stuff to fill it out for dansmith | 21:42 |
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mriedem | anyone else have anything for open discussion? | 21:42 |
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tonyb | 1 thing | 21:42 |
tonyb | do we know which (if any cores) will *not* be in Austin? | 21:42 |
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mriedem | i know of at least 2 that one be | 21:43 |
mriedem | *won't be | 21:43 |
mriedem | tonyb: why? | 21:43 |
tonyb | mriedem: just thinking about in-person discussions | 21:43 |
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mriedem | ok... | 21:44 |
tonyb | mriedem: theres stuff I'll do more prep work for if they're goign to happen | 21:44 |
mriedem | well danpb won't be there which is why i asked him to write up the os-vif status in the ML | 21:44 |
mriedem | tdurakov won't be there so i asked him to write up the status on the live migration testing | 21:44 |
mriedem | tonyb: anyway, if you have specific stuff, hit me up in -nova | 21:44 |
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tonyb | okay thanks | 21:45 |
mriedem | alright, anything else? | 21:45 |
mriedem | no?! | 21:45 |
mriedem | ok | 21:45 |
mriedem | thanks | 21:45 |
mriedem | #endmeeting | 21:45 |
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openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2016/nova.2016-04-14-21.00.html | 21:45 |
auggy | no thank YOU | 21:45 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2016/nova.2016-04-14-21.00.txt | 21:45 |
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armax | yello | 21:57 |
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kevinbenton | hi | 21:59 |
boden | howdy | 21:59 |
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armax | hi | 22:00 |
kevinbenton | hi | 22:00 |
armax | #startmeeting neutron_drivers | 22:00 |
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amotoki_ | hi | 22:00 |
openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_drivers' | 22:00 |
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HenryG | o/ | 22:00 |
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salv-orl_ | aloha | 22:00 |
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njohnston | o/ | 22:01 |
jschwarz | o/ | 22:01 |
amuller | hiho | 22:01 |
nmagnezi | o/ | 22:01 |
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armax | amuller, dougw2 ping | 22:01 |
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amuller | armax: pong | 22:01 |
dougw2 | o/ | 22:01 |
armax | before we dive in into the meat of the meeting | 22:01 |
armax | carl_baldwin: ping? | 22:02 |
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carl_baldwin | armax: pong! | 22:02 |
* carl_baldwin here | 22:02 | |
armax | I would like to ask members of the team to go over https://review.openstack.org/#/c/286413/ one more time and seal its fate | 22:02 |
patchbot | armax: patch 286413 - neutron-specs - Provide a release postmortem | 22:02 |
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carl_baldwin | aye aye | 22:03 |
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ihrachys | armax: hasn't timestamp thing landed in M? | 22:04 |
ihrachys | it's incomplete as per the doc though | 22:04 |
armax | ihrachys: it should have, if it’s marked incomplete, it’s an oversight, that’s why I need people’s help to get it to closure | 22:04 |
armax | we’re well in Newton | 22:05 |
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ihrachys | yeah, service plugin in stable/mitaka | 22:05 |
armax | ihrachys: you’re talking about line 278, correct? | 22:06 |
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armax | ihrachys: this must be a brainfart of mine, as the whole thing is marked complete | 22:06 |
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ihrachys | 287, 288 etc. | 22:06 |
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armax | ihrachys: fixed | 22:07 |
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armax | I would like to get this doc to be sealed, if the lack of +1/+2 is an indication that no-one cares about this, then I am gonna scrap the whole thing and move on | 22:08 |
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armax | this is the n-th kind reminder | 22:08 |
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amotoki_ | re: L.296 of address scope, the status is complete, but the docs status is incomplete. | 22:09 |
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carl_baldwin | amotoki_: The reference below that shows the docs in review. | 22:09 |
armax | amotoki_: the patch might have not merged at the time I looked at this | 22:09 |
carl_baldwin | amotoki_: I'm working on some updates but have been swamped. | 22:09 |
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armax | I assume a doc complete when there’s a substantial patch in for review | 22:10 |
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armax | amotoki_: though as carl_baldwin pointed out, the patch is not quite there yet | 22:11 |
amotoki_ | i found the docs review https://review.openstack.org/286294 | 22:11 |
amotoki_ | docs patch of address scope. thanks | 22:12 |
carl_baldwin | armax: I thought that the use_default_subnetpool extension was in here. But, I'm not seeing it. | 22:12 |
armax | carl_baldwin: it might have not have been tracked as rfe | 22:12 |
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armax | carl_baldwin: but simple bug fix | 22:12 |
carl_baldwin | armax: ok | 22:12 |
carl_baldwin | I'm okay with that. | 22:13 |
ihrachys | armax: side note while others read the doc thru: I should probably add that postmortem thing to my pre-release check list? and do you have the script somewhere to generate the stub? | 22:13 |
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HenryG | How about we just +A the postmortem now and any remaining tweaks can be done as follow-ups? | 22:13 |
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dougwig | NO, IT MUST BE PERFECT, AS ALL OF NEUTRON. | 22:14 |
armax | ihrachys: I thought I have commented on your checklist | 22:14 |
armax | ihrachys: and yes, let me polish the script up and I’ll commit it to the specs repo | 22:14 |
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armax | dougw2, HenryG I am easy either so long we can have this published on specs.openstack.org | 22:14 |
HenryG | dougwig: HIT THE +A NOW!!! | 22:14 |
armax | right now it’s the time when people do check out the website | 22:14 |
ihrachys | armax: oh I realize I actually have it in there. just not the script. | 22:15 |
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armax | the more time passes, the more residual the value of this doc becomes | 22:15 |
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kevinbenton | dougwig: +A +A +A | 22:15 |
armax | ihrachys: yup, let me clean it up before pushing it | 22:16 |
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carl_baldwin | HenryG: dougwig: Do you need to be sent to the office? All this yelling. | 22:16 |
dougwig | carl_baldwin: it's passion. | 22:17 |
armax | carl_baldwin: perhaps they hit caps-lock accidentally? | 22:17 |
ihrachys | http://i0.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/019/304/old.jpg | 22:17 |
carl_baldwin | ihrachys: rofl | 22:17 |
dougwig | honestly, the content looks good enough to me to not wait. i agree with HenryG | 22:17 |
armax | #action armax to kick out all members of the drivers team if the postmortem doesn’t merge by the end of the week | 22:18 |
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armax | ok, let’s move on | 22:18 |
armax | :) | 22:18 |
ihrachys | pathetic. please press the button already. | 22:18 |
armax | and thanks for putting up with me | 22:18 |
amuller | armax: that's an empty threat as we can just approve it =p | 22:18 |
armax | amuller: so long as I get my way, I’m fine with that | 22:18 |
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armax | jokes aside | 22:19 |
HenryG | Did you hear about the job opening for assistant to the one-armed typist? It's shift work. | 22:19 |
armax | let’s dive in the list of triaged bugs of the week | 22:19 |
armax | but before we do | 22:19 |
armax | I wonder if you guys want to have the meeting the next three weeks | 22:19 |
armax | the one prior, during and after the summit | 22:20 |
armax | that doesn’t mean we should not look at RFE and specs mind yo | 22:20 |
armax | u | 22:20 |
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dougwig | prior and during should be canceled, IMO, unless we want to use the time to go over sessions. | 22:21 |
carl_baldwin | Well, not during. We have sessions. I'm okay missing the one before as I'll be preparing last minute things and resting up. | 22:21 |
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carl_baldwin | I'm not sure about the one after. | 22:21 |
armax | carl_baldwin: perhaps the one after is the only week where I can put my feet up | 22:21 |
amuller | I'm on PTO the week before, during doesn't seem realistic, I'm here the week after | 22:21 |
ihrachys | I am on PTO two weeks after the summit. but who cares. | 22:22 |
armax | or at least stop pretending to look like I am busy | 22:22 |
armax | boden: btw I swapped your session | 22:22 |
boden | armax: yea I saw that... thank you! | 22:23 |
armax | boden: you’d better show up and sit in the first row | 22:23 |
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armax | boden: you’ve been warned :) | 22:23 |
boden | I'll sit front stage need be | 22:23 |
armax | ok, I’d say let’s cancel the next three meetings | 22:23 |
carl_baldwin | +1 | 22:24 |
armax | as for the team meetings, it’s probably safe to keep the next one and skip the other two | 22:24 |
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armax | ok, let’s use the remaining time to chew on the list | 22:24 |
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armax | bug 1468366 | 22:25 |
openstack | bug 1468366 in neutron "[RFE] (Operator-only) Logging API for security group rules" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1468366 | 22:25 |
armax | this actually is not new | 22:25 |
armax | we blessed in the past but we struggled to get the spec in a good shape | 22:25 |
armax | and the effort died out | 22:25 |
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armax | I know that some monasca folks showed some interest | 22:25 |
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armax | if no-one is willing to help these guys put a solid proposal in place, this is most likely gonna start in newton too | 22:26 |
armax | if you have friends and families or general walks of life who are interested in this one | 22:26 |
armax | that’s the time to speak up | 22:26 |
carl_baldwin | (crickets) | 22:27 |
HenryG | (more crickets) | 22:27 |
dougwig | this spec looks useful, but also like a giant landmine. | 22:27 |
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armax | I suppose we’ll keep it on the backburner | 22:27 |
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kevinbenton | yeah, this is something i wouldn't mine seeing done, but I don't have the bandwidth to put any dev effort into it | 22:28 |
armax | I should probably add a link on the drivers page | 22:28 |
armax | called ‘RFE graveyard’ | 22:28 |
amuller | And that is officially the first time I've ever seen Kevin say no | 22:28 |
amuller | This is truly a historical day | 22:28 |
salv-orl_ | I don't think he said no | 22:28 |
dougwig | there's probably a russian mafia guy with a bat standing behind him. | 22:28 |
amuller | salv-orl_: Don't ruin this for me I'm in tears | 22:28 |
ihrachys | amuller: it's not about what he says, it's about what he ends up doin' | 22:28 |
armax | salv-orl_: if you have minions who what to help here | 22:29 |
boden | I'll help with it if you guys help get the troubleshooting spec through /wink | 22:29 |
armax | salv-orl_: that’s your chance | 22:29 |
salv-orl_ | we just need to give him more bandwidth... kevinbenton: ever heard of LSD? | 22:29 |
kevinbenton | salv-orl_: i don't think that's the one that gives you bandwidth | 22:29 |
armax | boden: being part of the community is providing unconditional and uninterested love :) | 22:29 |
* carl_baldwin thinks kevinbenton must be moonlighting somewhere else sucking his bandwidth away. | 22:29 | |
boden | sounds like you just signed me up! | 22:29 |
kevinbenton | cloudstack is making a comeback! | 22:29 |
salv-orl_ | kevinbenton: I see you are already an expert. I have nothing to add then | 22:30 |
* dougwig whispers, "blink three times if you need rescuing" | 22:30 | |
kevinbenton | salv-orl_: you trapped me! :) | 22:30 |
armax | ok, let’s see if we can resurrect this one, if not, tough love | 22:30 |
armax | on the triaged bug list | 22:30 |
armax | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bugs?field.status%3Alist=Triaged&field.tag=rfe | 22:30 |
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armax | there’s a string of BGP related RFE | 22:30 |
armax | bugs | 22:30 |
armax | now | 22:30 |
dougwig | holy bgp. | 22:31 |
armax | as I expressed on the bug reports | 22:31 |
armax | I defer to tidwellr, carl_baldwin and whoever else is the L3 dude in charge | 22:31 |
armax | so I leave the vetting to them during the L3 meeting or whathaveyou | 22:32 |
carl_baldwin | I'll go through these with Ryan. | 22:32 |
armax | carl_baldwin: if you make the transition, please remember to record blueprints etc, if you need help reach out to me | 22:32 |
kevinbenton | i fear with this BGP stuff that we are going to end up with an incoherrent set of things built on top of BGP that are incompatible if we don't have some kind of standard layer they all talk to | 22:32 |
armax | bear in mind that the team should be busy to stand up the bgp repo first | 22:32 |
kevinbenton | will they all build on top of the BGP stuff that merged at least? | 22:32 |
carl_baldwin | kevinbenton: I think that is the idea. | 22:33 |
carl_baldwin | armax: ack | 22:33 |
armax | and taht reminds me that I have to look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/268726/ | 22:33 |
patchbot | armax: patch 268726 - openstack-infra/project-config - Adding neutron-dynamic-routing as neutron's stadiu... | 22:33 |
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dougwig | do we have a bgp czar to keep things on a uniform footing? | 22:33 |
dougwig | nvm, i read slowly. | 22:33 |
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armax | once we take BGP-related RFE's | 22:34 |
armax | the list shrinks dramatically | 22:35 |
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armax | and we hve the following: | 22:35 |
armax | bug 1552680 | 22:35 |
openstack | bug 1552680 in neutron "[RFE] Add support for DLM" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1552680 - Assigned to John Schwarz (jschwarz) | 22:35 |
armax | no-one had any spare cycles to come back to the report | 22:35 |
armax | we need to figure out a way forward for this one | 22:35 |
jschwarz | I just posted on that RFE - I think the idea dougwig? had of using DLMs mainly on new features as a starting point is a good idea | 22:35 |
armax | amuller, kevinbenton can you please work together? | 22:35 |
armax | with jschwarz to figure a path forward? | 22:36 |
jschwarz | this will allow us to ease into DLMs and make sure this is a good idea | 22:36 |
armax | jschwarz: that was MY idea! | 22:36 |
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armax | or dougwig stole it from me | 22:36 |
amuller | kevinbenton: jschwarz: I think the intent is for John to organize a Friday session about this | 22:36 |
jschwarz | armax, apologies, dear master! | 22:36 |
amuller | As long as we get the participants that are invested in this I'm sure we can reach a concensus | 22:36 |
amuller | kevinbenton: How does that sound? | 22:36 |
armax | jschwarz: that’s fine, it’s possible I am mistaken! | 22:36 |
dougwig | apparently i can steal things i don't even remember. sweet. :) | 22:37 |
armax | dougwig: love you man, don’t worry | 22:37 |
kevinbenton | it sounds scary to me | 22:37 |
dougwig | i think my suggestion was to make it optional, which I just commented on the RFE. | 22:37 |
armax | kevinbenton: what does? | 22:37 |
kevinbenton | DLM | 22:37 |
kevinbenton | we should chat about it at the summit | 22:37 |
dougwig | armax: tough love? like, stick with nails in it? | 22:37 |
kevinbenton | come up with a nice use case of something that it drastically simplifies | 22:37 |
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armax | dougwig: I leave the interpretation open | 22:38 |
* salv-orl_ kevinbenton is from the lock free school | 22:38 | |
dougwig | kevinbenton: shall we talk about using DLM via a docker container to allocate and wire ports for nova? | 22:38 |
dougwig | with flavors and chaining? | 22:38 |
armax | ok, now that I mastered the art of delegation, let’s move on | 22:38 |
armax | bug 1554869 | 22:38 |
openstack | bug 1554869 in neutron "[RFE] Make API errors conform to API working group schema" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1554869 | 22:38 |
amuller | salv-orl_: Will you be at the summit on Friday? | 22:38 |
armax | this one is sensible | 22:38 |
salv-orl_ | amuller: yes because all the friday flights were full when I booked | 22:38 |
armax | though I am not sure it’s considered one of the worst pain points of our API | 22:38 |
kevinbenton | except we have no way to do it without microversioning, right? | 22:38 |
amuller | salv-orl_: Good! :) | 22:39 |
amuller | salv-orl_: I'm counting on you for the DLM discussion | 22:39 |
armax | kevinbenton: there’s a way | 22:39 |
carl_baldwin | armax: The ML discussion kind of blew this up to a big task. | 22:39 |
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armax | carl_baldwin: care to provide a link? | 22:39 |
armax | carl_baldwin: I might have missed that one | 22:39 |
armax | carl_baldwin: but yeah, this is no small feat of engineering, despite how simple the objective is | 22:40 |
kevinbenton | armax: how do we remove our current errors without a backward incompatible change? | 22:40 |
dougwig | well, the ML went full-dogmatic. though i still don't like this one except for new apis. | 22:40 |
armax | kevinbenton: the client opts in to get new errors by specifying a HEADER | 22:40 |
amotoki_ | the link is http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-April/091949.html and related stuffs | 22:40 |
armax | kevinbenton: which is effectively what a micro-versioned api | 22:40 |
armax | kevinbenton: where the version is passed as a header | 22:41 |
kevinbenton | armax: i thought that was deemed entirely evil by the API people? | 22:41 |
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carl_baldwin | amotoki_: thanks. | 22:41 |
salv-orl_ | kevinbenton: proliferation of headers is abhorred | 22:41 |
armax | kevinbenton: I hear you | 22:41 |
salv-orl_ | but maybe you can be forgiven for a single header | 22:41 |
ihrachys | I think it's not a critical thing to rush, and we should instead suggest people to act on microversioning. I also believe it's actually against some API-WG guidelines. so it's trading one thing for another. that said, when we suggest people to act, we need someone to own it from the core team, otherwise it does not happen. :-| | 22:41 |
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armax | ihrachys: yes, that’s what I am trying to get at | 22:42 |
armax | I think we as a team should figure out once and for all what we want to do with the api we got | 22:42 |
armax | we have deferred way to many things up until now | 22:42 |
armax | filtering, sorting, pagination, now better error handling | 22:42 |
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salv-orl_ | ihrachys: I'd love to hear what the community think now of microversioning, in particular when it comes to extensions. But this discussion can happen on the mailing list. | 22:43 |
armax | if we decide to stick with this api for ever, then this bug bug makes sense, if we do want to switch | 22:43 |
dougwig | armax: sounds like you're lobbying for api v3, when we could break all the things and not screw people over. | 22:43 |
amuller | salv-orl_: I agree. Nova had it in for a couple of cycles now (?), I'd like to see how operators like it | 22:43 |
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kevinbenton | we can have our traditional microversioning discussion at the summit in which we conclude that vendors like extensions and that's not really compatible with microversioning | 22:43 |
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salv-orl_ | well then start fresh with a v3 - and define a strategy to get off v2 eventually | 22:44 |
kevinbenton | i think that's best at this point | 22:44 |
kevinbenton | also lets us address lots of warts that we couldn't do anything about because of backward compat | 22:44 |
salv-orl_ | but if the strategy is to keep evolving v2 until you see v3 fit, then just don't bother doing v3 | 22:44 |
armax | either way we look at it, this bug is predicated on the fact that the v2 is not going away as it is | 22:45 |
salv-orl_ | because you will focus 90% of your energy onto evolving v2 and v3 would be a thing that is forever under development | 22:45 |
kevinbenton | meh, we should discuss more at the summit | 22:45 |
dougwig | everyone likes extensions, and they really aren't. we have never cracked that nut, nor will we while we refuse to let any meta-data go from top to bottom in the name of "interchangeable apis" (that aren't), or we bring our fist down. | 22:45 |
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amotoki_ | we might be able to do API microversioning in API side, but we need to define plugin API for passing what APi version is called... | 22:46 |
dougwig | they really aren't compatible with microversioning, i mean. typing too slow. | 22:46 |
armax | dougwig: perhaps there’s a middle ground | 22:46 |
armax | where we can have microversioned extensions? :) | 22:46 |
kevinbenton | or microextended versions | 22:46 |
salv-orl_ | in a container | 22:46 |
dougwig | that'd work, if folks could live with it. if we could even decide that we wanted extensions, which always raises a big fuss. | 22:46 |
salv-orl_ | with uri chaining and microservices | 22:47 |
kevinbenton | which runs a unikernel | 22:47 |
kevinbenton | So has Nova completely abandoned extensions now? | 22:47 |
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armax | kevinbenton: yes | 22:47 |
dougwig | kevinbenton: yes. | 22:47 |
dougwig | violently opposed. | 22:47 |
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armax | so if I were to sum this discussion, it’s fair to say that we wouldn’t want to solve this bug on top of the existing bug framework | 22:47 |
armax | am I right? | 22:47 |
armax | dougwig: hang on | 22:48 |
kevinbenton | well it depends on what our timeline is for microversioning | 22:48 |
armax | dougwig: what they are saying is that any new behavior must be added in tree in nova and by means of microversions | 22:48 |
kevinbenton | i think we should discuss it in teh API session before deciding | 22:48 |
dougwig | that's the same as saying extensions are the devil, but breaking backwards compat is just slightly more so. | 22:48 |
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armax | dougwig: have a read through this one https://dague.net/2015/06/05/the-nova-api-in-kilo-and-beyond-2/comment-page-1/#comment-64463 | 22:49 |
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armax | #link v | 22:49 |
armax | #undo | 22:49 |
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armax | #link https://dague.net/2015/06/05/the-nova-api-in-kilo-and-beyond-2/ | 22:49 |
armax | so before we go to the next one | 22:50 |
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armax | is it fair to say that we wouldn’t want to solve this bug on top of the existing bug framework? | 22:50 |
dougwig | reading. i often wonder if the goal of "interoperable" clouds is worth the hand tying we do to ourselves and operators. | 22:50 |
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dougwig | armax: i'd be fine enforcing it on new apis, but in general, i concur. | 22:51 |
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armax | dougwig: ok, anyone else? | 22:51 |
armax | amotoki_: ? | 22:51 |
amotoki_ | armax: fair enough | 22:51 |
armax | ok | 22:51 |
kevinbenton | dougwig: yes, i think so. a big mess of incompatible openstack clouds really devalues openstack from a user's perspective | 22:51 |
kevinbenton | dougwig: it's just vendor lockin to another provider | 22:51 |
armax | bug 1565801 | 22:52 |
openstack | bug 1565801 in neutron "[RFE] Add process monitor for haproxy" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1565801 - Assigned to Nir Magnezi (nmagnezi) | 22:52 |
armax | I see that dougwig replied | 22:52 |
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dougwig | kevinbenton: i'm already dealing with AWS vs DO vs OS, as a user. and as an operator, i want my product to be what i want it to be, dangit. if i choose interoperability as a selling point, fine. if not, get off my lawn. | 22:52 |
nmagnezi | armax, dougwig, a question if I may | 22:52 |
armax | are you saying that you’re provisionally saying no, unless the code looks nice and clean and merging is a breeze? | 22:52 |
dougwig | armax: yes, i commented during BGP-alooza. | 22:52 |
ihrachys | dougwig: how is it a new feature though? | 22:52 |
armax | nmagnezi seems to be lurking in this room | 22:53 |
nmagnezi | so just to confirm (since it's the first drivers meeting for me), If I submit a patch for it one, will it get a chance to get a review depending on the size of that change? | 22:53 |
kevinbenton | sounds like a bug fix | 22:53 |
nmagnezi | armax, indeed :) | 22:53 |
armax | dougwig: if he hasn’t started coding already what would your suggestion be? | 22:53 |
armax | kevinbenton: agreed | 22:53 |
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dougwig | if nmagnezi is willing to support haproxy namespace driver bugfixes (all of them), then i welcome his reviews and *cough* bugfixes. | 22:53 |
dougwig | :) | 22:53 |
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kevinbenton | dougwig: if you want to write a proprietary cloud, fine. but it's just not that interesting to me (and i suspect some other users) | 22:54 |
armax | nmagnezi: your order has suddenly began a tall one | 22:54 |
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ihrachys | there are lots of deficiencies in the reference backend (octavia), I don't see how we can meaningfully stop haproxy maintenance | 22:54 |
nmagnezi | dougwig didn't you tell me you guys keep haproxy around anyways? :) | 22:54 |
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amuller | dougwig: I don't know if signing up nmagnezi to fix *all* haproxy impl. bugs is reasonable? I think he'd be happy to fix bugs in new functionality he adds | 22:55 |
dougwig | to be fair, there are absurd deficiencies in both. that is not an argument to continue maintaining both. | 22:55 |
dougwig | but this does seem small enough to be worth putting in. | 22:55 |
nmagnezi | amuller, indeed. | 22:55 |
ihrachys | indeed, it doesn't even seem like a feature to me. just common sense fix to make the service recover as most other services do. | 22:56 |
armax | ok, because the scope of this is small, let’s treat this a best effort bug fix | 22:56 |
dougwig | that'd be fine. at some point haproxy is gonna rot, and without a champion, get the boot. anyone with a dog in that race is encouraged to keep that from happening, i'd think. | 22:56 |
amuller | dougwig: Looking at the latest user surveys, most folks are still on I/J/K/L where Octavia is not even a possibility, so fixing some stuff and backporting it seems reasonable to me | 22:56 |
armax | we’re not past the point where we stopped caring on one solution over another | 22:56 |
dougwig | ihrachys: that bugfix road is long. how about when you overload that agent? it doesn't track that. how about when you need to move agents? nope. the list of brokenness there is LONG. | 22:57 |
nmagnezi | the main reason i submitted this it is because it is complementary to bug 1565511 | 22:57 |
openstack | bug 1565511 in neutron "Loadbalancers should be rescheduled when a LBaaS agent goes offline" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1565511 - Assigned to Nir Magnezi (nmagnezi) | 22:57 |
armax | and the incremental change has enough value to be considered useful | 22:57 |
armax | that one I demoted to regular bug fix | 22:57 |
armax | I think the wider question to be asked is: how much review bandwidth there is for this driver? | 22:58 |
kevinbenton | which is actually a promotion from a process perspective :) | 22:58 |
armax | if there is, then any contribution should be welcome | 22:58 |
dougwig | this class of broken is part of why we wanted to abandon it. but if it has someone interested and working on it, so be it. it may well end up in a separate repo if its a different set of people. | 22:58 |
armax | if there isn’t, then there’s no point | 22:58 |
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dougwig | armax: it'll get bandwidth on smaller patches. a large patch would whither, i expect. | 22:58 |
armax | dougwig: ok, it sounds fair to me | 22:59 |
kevinbenton | MEETING TIME IS OUT! | 22:59 |
amotoki_ | dougwig: do we accept lbaas-agent related patch which requires API changes? | 22:59 |
armax | dougwig: there’s no plan to deprecate this driver in the short term | 22:59 |
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carl_baldwin | dougwig: true for practically any patch | 22:59 |
nmagnezi | i don't expect this to be a huge patch since i presume some decant amount of code might be reused from the neutron codebase (process monitor exists for things like keepalived dnsmasq etc) | 23:00 |
armax | #endmeeting | 23:00 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Thu Apr 14 23:00:17 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 23:00 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2016/neutron_drivers.2016-04-14-22.00.html | 23:00 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2016/neutron_drivers.2016-04-14-22.00.txt | 23:00 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2016/neutron_drivers.2016-04-14-22.00.log.html | 23:00 |
dougwig | armax: you're right, since it was decided not to deprecate, i expect we have a duty to keep it up. | 23:00 |
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armax | dougwig: ok, so for netwon the marching order is to continue to support small iterative improvements | 23:01 |
armax | big bucket items we’ll review and make a judgement call | 23:01 |
dougwig | armax: | 23:01 |
dougwig | ok | 23:01 |
armax | nmagnezi: thanks | 23:01 |
armax | dougwig: thanks | 23:01 |
armax | thanks you all | 23:01 |
dougwig | armax: this is a similar issue to vpn. no one maintaining it, but no one wants to let it go. | 23:01 |
dougwig | armax: at least here we have nmagnezi . :) | 23:01 |
armax | safe travels to the summit for those who go | 23:01 |
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armax | dougwig: we’ll let it go alright | 23:02 |
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nmagnezi | dougwig, :) | 23:02 |
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armax | we’ll speak in a few weeks | 23:02 |
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