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yamamoto | hi | 06:59 |
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yamamoto | #startmeeting networking_midonet | 07:00 |
openstack | Meeting started Tue Mar 22 07:00:27 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is yamamoto. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 07:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 07:00 |
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: networking_midonet)" | 07:00 | |
openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_midonet' | 07:00 |
yamamoto | #topic Agenda | 07:00 |
*** openstack changes topic to "Agenda (Meeting topic: networking_midonet)" | 07:00 | |
yamamoto | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/NetworkingMidoNet | 07:00 |
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yamamoto | #topic Announcements | 07:01 |
*** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: networking_midonet)" | 07:01 | |
yamamoto | no announcements from me | 07:01 |
yamamoto | #topic Bugs | 07:01 |
*** openstack changes topic to "Bugs (Meeting topic: networking_midonet)" | 07:01 | |
yamamoto | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/networking-midonet/ | 07:01 |
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yamamoto | we have a few critical bugs | 07:01 |
yamamoto | all of them have proposed fixes. | 07:02 |
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yamamoto | i'll continue bug deputy | 07:02 |
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yamamoto | #topic Open Discussion | 07:03 |
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yamamoto | nothing from me | 07:03 |
* yamamoto waiting for a few minutes to close the meeting | 07:03 | |
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yamamoto | bye! | 07:10 |
yamamoto | #endmeeting | 07:10 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Tue Mar 22 07:10:41 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 07:10 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_midonet/2016/networking_midonet.2016-03-22-07.00.html | 07:10 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_midonet/2016/networking_midonet.2016-03-22-07.00.txt | 07:10 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_midonet/2016/networking_midonet.2016-03-22-07.00.log.html | 07:10 |
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anteaya | #startmeeting third-party | 08:01 |
openstack | Meeting started Tue Mar 22 08:01:35 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is anteaya. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 08:01 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 08:01 |
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: third-party)" | 08:01 | |
openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'third_party' | 08:01 |
anteaya | hello | 08:01 |
lennyb | hi | 08:01 |
anteaya | hey lennyb | 08:02 |
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anteaya | how are you today? | 08:02 |
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lennyb | fine, thank you. how are you ? | 08:02 |
anteaya | good thanks | 08:02 |
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anteaya | have you anything you would like to discuss today? | 08:03 |
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lennyb | we are in the final stages of introducing new project #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/295260/ . We are following the guide #link http://docs.openstack.org/infra/manual/creators.html . | 08:04 |
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anteaya | okay | 08:04 |
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lennyb | I guess everything is there :). | 08:04 |
anteaya | does this have anything to do with third party ci? | 08:04 |
anteaya | thank you for following the guide | 08:05 |
lennyb | This is a project of third party and we will have CI for it. | 08:05 |
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anteaya | but it is specific to mellenox, yes? | 08:05 |
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lennyb | yes. specific to Mellanox. | 08:06 |
anteaya | not a third party tool like ci watch or something? | 08:06 |
anteaya | okay | 08:06 |
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anteaya | well thanks for following the creator's guide | 08:06 |
lennyb | I have nothing else, so I wont keep you here. | 08:06 |
anteaya | no worries | 08:06 |
anteaya | did you have any issues following the creator's guide | 08:06 |
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lennyb | I will check with the developer who works on it | 08:07 |
anteaya | oh | 08:07 |
anteaya | I had thought you were offering it because it was your work | 08:07 |
anteaya | I was making conversation | 08:08 |
anteaya | it isn't an important question | 08:08 |
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lennyb | in this case 'offering' was a part of my job :) | 08:09 |
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anteaya | oh :( | 08:09 |
anteaya | anything else you would like to discuss? | 08:09 |
lennyb | no, thank you. | 08:09 |
anteaya | okay thanks lennyb | 08:10 |
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anteaya | any objection to me closing the meeting? | 08:10 |
lennyb | no. see you next week | 08:10 |
anteaya | thanks | 08:11 |
anteaya | see you next week | 08:11 |
anteaya | thanks for being here lennyb :) | 08:11 |
anteaya | #endmeeting | 08:11 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Tue Mar 22 08:11:23 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 08:11 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2016/third_party.2016-03-22-08.01.html | 08:11 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2016/third_party.2016-03-22-08.01.txt | 08:11 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2016/third_party.2016-03-22-08.01.log.html | 08:11 |
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Qiming | #startmeeting senlin | 13:03 |
openstack | Meeting started Tue Mar 22 13:03:12 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Qiming. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:03 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:03 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'senlin' | 13:03 |
Qiming | hello | 13:03 |
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lixinhui | hi | 13:03 |
yanyanhu_ | o/ | 13:03 |
elynn | Hi | 13:03 |
haiwei_ | hi | 13:03 |
cschulz | Hi | 13:03 |
Qiming | sorry for being late, trapped in some microversion patches | 13:03 |
Qiming | pls review agenda and see if you have things to add | 13:03 |
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Qiming | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/SenlinAgenda | 13:04 |
Qiming | first thing I'd like to bring up is about summit prep | 13:04 |
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Qiming | for the deep dive session, we'll need a high-level structure so every presenter can start prepare his/her own section | 13:05 |
Qiming | elynn brought up this last week? | 13:06 |
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elynn | this week :) | 13:06 |
Qiming | okay, :) | 13:06 |
chenying__ | Hi | 13:06 |
Qiming | chenying__, wlc | 13:06 |
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Qiming | so my suggestion is like this: elynn to start with why we started senlin | 13:07 |
Qiming | based on our understanding of the requirement, the discussions with Heat team etc | 13:07 |
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Qiming | then I follow with an intro to the senlin architecture and some design decisions | 13:08 |
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Qiming | yanyan can close the session with some status update, roadmap and pointers, examples etc | 13:09 |
yanyanhu_ | ok | 13:09 |
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elynn | great! | 13:09 |
Qiming | okay, next, the autoscaling one | 13:09 |
yanyanhu_ | will start the paper work in coming week :) | 13:09 |
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Qiming | mark will start talking about auto-scaling requirements | 13:10 |
Qiming | and I can follow with a generic intro of senlin | 13:10 |
Qiming | then xinhui can close this with a real deployment example and lessons learnt | 13:10 |
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lixinhui | okay | 13:11 |
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Qiming | lixinhui, is the other presenter 'mark'? | 13:11 |
Qiming | just some rough ideas | 13:11 |
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lixinhui | I think it would be good | 13:11 |
Qiming | any comments are welcomed | 13:11 |
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cschulz | We need to start seeding the autoscaling discussions with topics beyond the basic Reactive autoscaling | 13:12 |
lixinhui | will involve you to dicuss with Mark | 13:12 |
cschulz | Predictive autoscaling | 13:12 |
Qiming | okay, great, cschulz, will incorporate those | 13:12 |
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cschulz | Also the requirement to bring things like Business Process Management into the scaling decisions. | 13:12 |
Qiming | and in some cases, semi-auto-scaling | 13:13 |
cschulz | Yes | 13:13 |
cschulz | that is one way to look at it. | 13:13 |
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cschulz | The scaling driven by events from outside the Cloud | 13:13 |
Qiming | cschulz, we can dive into that requirement later, when the newton development cycle is open | 13:14 |
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Qiming | yes, that is why we decided to provide 'receiver' instead of 'trigger' abstraction | 13:14 |
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Qiming | in real deployments, people have various monitoring/alerting solutions to hook into the scaling workflow | 13:15 |
cschulz | Has the receiver security issue been solved? | 13:15 |
cschulz | DOS ... | 13:15 |
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Qiming | cschulz, not yet | 13:15 |
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Qiming | we will need to explore other flavors of receivers, beyond the basic webhook one | 13:16 |
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Qiming | one promising alternative is to bring zaqar into the picture, so the triggering end doesn't have to know where the receiving end resides | 13:17 |
Qiming | another related topic is to add a rate-limit middleware in front of senlin-api | 13:17 |
cschulz | I will look into zaqar. That is new to me. | 13:17 |
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Qiming | it is basically the openstack version of AWS SQS | 13:18 |
Qiming | last one is about containers, I saw haiwei has submitted a new patchset on that spec | 13:18 |
Qiming | I haven't got time to review it | 13:18 |
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haiwei_ | almost the same with what we discussed last week | 13:19 |
Qiming | still evaluating whether senlin + ansible is a good solution for users to create/manage containers | 13:19 |
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haiwei_ | have no idea how to introduce ansible to container cluster | 13:20 |
Qiming | I've been learning myself some ansible basics, so far, it is pretty useful | 13:20 |
Qiming | haiwei_, it would be something like this: | 13:20 |
Qiming | senlin cluster-create => a vm cluster, with list of IPs | 13:21 |
Qiming | ansible -i <cluster ip list> -m <ansible_module> | 13:21 |
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Qiming | you can ssh into those VMs in batch and perform operations to do container environment preparation and even operate them | 13:22 |
haiwei_ | the ansible command should be typed by hand by users? | 13:22 |
Qiming | good question | 13:22 |
Qiming | for operators, it is not a difficult task | 13:23 |
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Qiming | for end users, we can invoke ansible by calling its API from inside senlin, do whatever necessary jobs on those VMs created | 13:23 |
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haiwei_ | that means we still need to create a scheduler and something else? | 13:24 |
yanyanhu_ | maybe we should allow this ansible deployment triggered by some events | 13:24 |
Qiming | I have tried writing some playbooks (ansible term) for this kind of a task, it is pretty neat | 13:24 |
yanyanhu_ | just like other actions | 13:25 |
Qiming | maybe a custom action | 13:25 |
yanyanhu_ | yes | 13:25 |
Qiming | just a wrapper of ansible | 13:25 |
Qiming | previously, I tried paramiko, the underlying module used by ansible | 13:26 |
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Qiming | it works as well | 13:26 |
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Qiming | but 'it works' <> 'it is an elegant design' | 13:26 |
yanyanhu_ | do we need to provide high level abstraction for deployment and support ansible as one of the deployment type? | 13:26 |
Qiming | haiwei_, we can have a phone call tomorrow? | 13:26 |
Qiming | yanyanhu_, that is a good idea | 13:27 |
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haiwei_ | I am ok tomorrow afternoon | 13:27 |
yanyanhu_ | maybe, as the default type | 13:27 |
Qiming | the high level abstraction maybe just a container image | 13:27 |
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Qiming | by default it would be a docker image, for example | 13:28 |
yanyanhu_ | exactly | 13:28 |
Qiming | okay, this is something we need to dive into in this week | 13:29 |
Qiming | #topic newton work items | 13:29 |
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haiwei_ | what 14:00~1500 beijing time | 13:29 |
haiwei_ | for the phone meeting? | 13:29 |
Qiming | just moved etherpad items here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/senlin-newton-workitems | 13:29 |
Qiming | haiwei_, fine with me | 13:30 |
haiwei_ | yanyanhu_ ? | 13:30 |
yanyanhu_ | I'm fine with it | 13:30 |
haiwei_ | anyone interested in this can join | 13:30 |
lixinhui | I will dial in | 13:31 |
elynn | o/ | 13:31 |
Qiming | okay, I'll send an invitation to you all | 13:31 |
Qiming | last Friday, we have cut the RC1 branch | 13:32 |
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Qiming | now we have a stable/mitaka branch on git | 13:32 |
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lixinhui | cool! | 13:32 |
Qiming | that branch is meant to be the base for the coming stable release | 13:32 |
zzxwill | I saw the release tag in senlin branch. | 13:32 |
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Qiming | if you have found any critical bugs, please bring it up asap | 13:33 |
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Qiming | back to newton work items | 13:33 |
Qiming | tempest tests are coming in | 13:34 |
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yanyanhu_ | saw elynn's patch | 13:34 |
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elynn | I create a BP for it. | 13:34 |
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elynn | And start to look into it | 13:35 |
Qiming | maybe we should retarget the test cases about failure scenarios and stress tests on it? | 13:35 |
yanyanhu_ | yes, I think so | 13:35 |
Qiming | thanks, elynn, that would be very important a QA infra | 13:35 |
yanyanhu_ | those tests should be included in tempest test framework | 13:36 |
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elynn | oh...seems I need to speed up to not let you blame me ;) | 13:36 |
Qiming | yanyanhu_ will blame you | 13:36 |
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yanyanhu_ | sorry. really trapped by some other works in recent weeks | 13:37 |
yanyanhu_ | yes... | 13:37 |
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Qiming | just kidding | 13:37 |
elynn | After I rebuild my env, I will start to migrate exist tests on tempest framework. | 13:37 |
yanyanhu_ | will investigate rally ASAP to decide how we should support stress test | 13:37 |
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Qiming | we need such an infra to enable more thorough tests | 13:37 |
Qiming | cool, yanyanhu_ | 13:38 |
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yanyanhu_ | Qiming, no problem, really my fault :( | 13:38 |
Qiming | oh .... no one's fault | 13:38 |
Qiming | we are all heroes, ;) | 13:38 |
Qiming | health management side | 13:39 |
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Qiming | where are we about lb based health detection? | 13:39 |
Qiming | lixinhui, asleep? | 13:40 |
lixinhui | I just | 13:40 |
lixinhui | added lb-node-polling | 13:40 |
lixinhui | into the prototype | 13:40 |
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lixinhui | underlying, it will rely on neutron | 13:40 |
yanyanhu_ | lixinhui, so you're using haproxy as the service provider now? | 13:40 |
lixinhui | ayes | 13:40 |
lixinhui | yes | 13:40 |
yanyanhu_ | ok, at least it works | 13:41 |
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lixinhui | I am thinking | 13:41 |
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lixinhui | about the demo | 13:41 |
lixinhui | actaully the protoytpe | 13:41 |
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lixinhui | maybe we could attach the health_polling policy onto lb cluster | 13:42 |
lixinhui | then simulate member failure | 13:42 |
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lixinhui | then watch the auto-healing of the failed member | 13:42 |
Qiming | yes? | 13:42 |
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lixinhui | by list the member of pool and senlin cluster node status before and after auto-healing | 13:43 |
Qiming | I believe there are many details to be figured out? | 13:43 |
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lixinhui | yes | 13:43 |
Qiming | right, a cluster with scaling policy, health policy and lb policy | 13:43 |
Qiming | let's see how they dance/fight together | 13:44 |
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lixinhui | yes | 13:44 |
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lixinhui | Xujun | 13:44 |
yanyanhu_ | you mean the auto healing will be triggered by simulated failure which is actually not a failure detected by lb monitoring | 13:44 |
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lixinhui | one intern is trying to write the heat template | 13:44 |
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lixinhui | including everything into a template | 13:44 |
lixinhui | yanyanhu_ | 13:45 |
lixinhui | I add lb member status polling logic | 13:45 |
lixinhui | for this demo | 13:45 |
lixinhui | suppose the status of member should be changed bu health monitor | 13:45 |
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yanyanhu_ | ah, I see | 13:46 |
Qiming | lixinhui, please help bring xujun into the IRC channel, so when he has got questions, he know where to seek help | 13:46 |
lixinhui | sure | 13:46 |
lixinhui | one problem in my mind | 13:46 |
Qiming | we don't have octavia in the picture now? | 13:46 |
lixinhui | no | 13:46 |
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lixinhui | now | 13:46 |
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Qiming | great | 13:47 |
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lixinhui | I am deply nsx based lbaas | 13:47 |
lixinhui | to see any problems there and ask mark to help if does | 13:47 |
Qiming | cool | 13:47 |
Qiming | for the quick demo, we can focus on haproxy, but it would be great if someone helps on validating it using nsx | 13:48 |
lixinhui | yes | 13:48 |
haiwei_ | what is nsx? | 13:48 |
lixinhui | hope it would add cents to senlin markting | 13:48 |
lixinhui | NSX is vmware neutron engine | 13:49 |
yanyanhu_ | hardware loadbalancer from citrix? | 13:49 |
lixinhui | almost all custmoers bought its license | 13:49 |
yanyanhu_ | oh | 13:49 |
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cschulz | HW loadbalancer? | 13:49 |
lixinhui | SDDN | 13:49 |
yanyanhu_ | sorry, I was wrong :) | 13:49 |
lixinhui | pure | 13:50 |
lixinhui | software | 13:50 |
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cschulz | Makes sense | 13:50 |
lixinhui | one problem in my mind | 13:50 |
lixinhui | but maybe not import for this demo | 13:50 |
lixinhui | is how to differenciate the normal node stop and abmorl down | 13:50 |
Qiming | my guess it is a question, not a problem, :P | 13:51 |
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lixinhui | yes :) | 13:51 |
cschulz | Maintenance mode? | 13:51 |
Qiming | exactly | 13:51 |
lixinhui | yes | 13:51 |
Qiming | the HA prolicy has to be put on hold in some scenarios | 13:51 |
cschulz | Or at least for a subset of the cluster | 13:51 |
yanyanhu_ | disable the HA policy temporarily? | 13:51 |
Qiming | that is why we have cluster-policy binding and there is a 'enabled' field there | 13:52 |
Qiming | if it is always effective, you won't be able to do a thing to your cluster, :) | 13:52 |
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lixinhui | ok | 13:52 |
lixinhui | when to disable it | 13:52 |
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cschulz | So should we add a 'semi-auto scaling' topic to Newton? | 13:53 |
lixinhui | :) | 13:53 |
Qiming | sure, cschulz | 13:53 |
cschulz | OK will add some stuff | 13:53 |
Qiming | lixinhui, sounds to me more like an interaction between policy and action again | 13:54 |
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lixinhui | yes, Qiming | 13:54 |
lixinhui | this will be more complex | 13:54 |
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Qiming | before some actions are performed, we will have to disable ha, after that action is done, we renable it | 13:54 |
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lixinhui | will think more about it | 13:55 |
yanyanhu_ | yes, maybe we should throw some warning to user when they perform 'maintainance operations' with HA policy enabled | 13:55 |
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lixinhui | :) | 13:56 |
Qiming | okay, that's something deserve a whole hour for discussion | 13:56 |
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Qiming | let's continue this on senlin tomorrow | 13:56 |
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lixinhui | okay | 13:56 |
Qiming | last update from me | 13:56 |
Qiming | policy docs are almost all out there | 13:56 |
Qiming | just started working on micro-versioning support for senlin-api | 13:57 |
Qiming | before the versioning thing has landed, we won't accept any changes to senlin-api | 13:57 |
Qiming | #topic open discussion | 13:57 |
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Qiming | 2 minutes | 13:58 |
yanyanhu_ | no more topics from me | 13:58 |
lixinhui | no from me | 13:58 |
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cschulz | We've run into Action suspend not working. Has that ever been tested? | 13:58 |
haiwei_ | ok for me | 13:58 |
Qiming | cschulz, that .... is not thoroughly tested | 13:58 |
yanyanhu_ | cschulz, it is not supported I think | 13:59 |
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yanyanhu_ | really haven't test it yet... | 13:59 |
Qiming | there are some db level support | 13:59 |
cschulz | OK, That's OK since we will be following a different approach | 13:59 |
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Qiming | but the whole thing is half-baked | 13:59 |
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Qiming | thanks for joining, guys, have a good night/nice day | 13:59 |
lixinhui | u2 | 14:00 |
Qiming | #endmeeting | 14:00 |
yanyanhu_ | thanks | 14:00 |
cschulz | Bye | 14:00 |
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haiwei_ | see u | 14:00 |
openstack | Meeting ended Tue Mar 22 14:00:01 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:00 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/senlin/2016/senlin.2016-03-22-13.03.html | 14:00 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/senlin/2016/senlin.2016-03-22-13.03.txt | 14:00 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/senlin/2016/senlin.2016-03-22-13.03.log.html | 14:00 |
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gampel | #startmeeting Smaug | 14:01 |
openstack | Meeting started Tue Mar 22 14:01:19 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gampel. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:01 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:01 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'smaug' | 14:01 |
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gampel | Hi everyone | 14:01 |
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gampel | who is here ? | 14:01 |
xiangxinyong | Hi | 14:01 |
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yuval | Hi | 14:01 |
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saggi | hi | 14:02 |
gampel | #info xiangxinyong, yuval, saggi in the meeting | 14:02 |
gampel | anyone else | 14:02 |
gampel | let wait a bit | 14:02 |
chenying__ | hi | 14:02 |
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gampel | #info chenying__ in the meeting | 14:03 |
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gampel | hi how are you welcome back | 14:03 |
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chenying__ | fine thanks. | 14:03 |
zhonghua-lee | Hi | 14:03 |
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zhonghua-lee | sorry I'm late | 14:03 |
yinweimac | hi, guys | 14:03 |
gampel | #info yinweimac in the meeting | 14:04 |
gampel | welcome | 14:04 |
gampel | shell we wait a bit more or lets start ? | 14:04 |
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gampel | Ok lets start ? | 14:05 |
gampel | #topic Announcements | 14:05 |
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gampel | I would like to propose chenying as core for smaug | 14:05 |
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yinweimac | +2 | 14:05 |
gampel | The quality and the quantity of his patches and review is notable | 14:05 |
yinweimac | :) | 14:05 |
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xiangxinyong | +1 | 14:06 |
yinweimac | cons to ying | 14:06 |
chenying__ | Thanks. | 14:06 |
saggi | +1 | 14:06 |
gampel | +1 | 14:06 |
yuval | +1 | 14:06 |
yinweimac | +1 | 14:06 |
zhonghua-lee | +1 | 14:06 |
gampel | any objection ? | 14:06 |
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gampel | zhonghua-lee:welcome | 14:06 |
chenzeng | +1 | 14:06 |
zhonghua-lee | gampel: :) | 14:06 |
gampel | congratulation chenying | 14:07 |
gampel | :) | 14:07 |
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zhonghua-lee | chengying_:congratulation | 14:08 |
xiangxinyong | :) | 14:08 |
gampel | #topic: Merge Proposed Smaug API v1.0 | 14:08 |
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gampel | saggi: can you please update | 14:08 |
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gampel | saggi: ? | 14:09 |
saggi | We can merge it | 14:09 |
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saggi | There were only minor comments | 14:09 |
saggi | so unless someone has any objection | 14:09 |
saggi | it should be merged soon. | 14:10 |
gampel | there are some comments from yuval that you missed | 14:10 |
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saggi | About ScheduledOperation? | 14:10 |
yuval | yes | 14:10 |
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gampel | Lets all reveiw tomorrow and lets try to finally merge this patch | 14:10 |
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saggi | I didn't miss them, I wrote that this is the proper name. | 14:10 |
gampel | saggio: we need another partch for the operation log api | 14:10 |
gampel | Ok | 14:10 |
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chenying__ | Another patch about operation log api need be considered. | 14:11 |
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gampel | saggi: can i assign it to you ? | 14:11 |
saggi | Sure | 14:11 |
xiangxinyong | yeah, this patch is important | 14:11 |
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gampel | #action saggi send another patch for the operation log | 14:11 |
gampel | #topic REST API status | 14:12 |
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gampel | I tried to rebase the Trigger and operation api with no dependencies | 14:12 |
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gampel | so we could merge them @zengchen can you take a look | 14:13 |
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chenying__ | <xiangxinyong> Do we need consider any api about update resources? | 14:13 |
chenzeng | ok | 14:13 |
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gampel | chenying__: what do you mean ? | 14:13 |
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gampel | #action chenzeng try to rebase https://review.openstack.org/#/c/287036/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/286406/ with minimal dependencies | 14:14 |
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gampel | chenying__: i am not sure i understand ? | 14:15 |
chenying__ | some resourece we didn't consider update action. | 14:15 |
yuval | chenzeng: both Trigger and ScheduledOperation REST API patches depend on "276081 | 14:15 |
yuval | (Implement rpc interfaces of OperationEngine) | 14:15 |
gampel | chenying__: which one i think we have for plan,trigger,operation | 14:17 |
chenzeng | yes, tommrow i will try to change the dependencies. | 14:17 |
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gampel | chenzeng: please revert my changes if they do not make sense | 14:17 |
gampel | chenying__: which resources we are missing update ? | 14:18 |
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chenying__ | Ok trigger,operation have consider update aciton. | 14:18 |
gampel | #action chenying__ review the API resources and make sure we are not missing update | 14:19 |
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chenying__ | Ok I will review these api patches. | 14:19 |
gampel | if we are missing the PUT command please comment | 14:19 |
chenying__ | Ok. | 14:20 |
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chenzeng | gampel:i see your changes about the two apis. i will check them. | 14:20 |
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gampel | #topic Protectables status | 14:20 |
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gampel | Yuval can you please update | 14:20 |
yuval | The ClientFactory and almost all of the clients were merged (besides neutron) | 14:21 |
yuval | We can now rebase all protectables patches over master | 14:21 |
yinweimac | Not sure if wla is here, he is writing patch for network protectable and has committed neutron client today | 14:22 |
yuval | However, please note: | 14:22 |
yuval | The "Implement protectable RPC handlers" changed the ProtectablePlugin base class | 14:22 |
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gampel | #action yuval and Yingzhe Zeng and wla rebase the protectables | 14:23 |
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yuval | chenzeng: could you please rebase the "Implement protectable RPC handlers" patch and address the comments? | 14:23 |
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gampel | #action chenzeng rebase "Implement protectable RPC handlers" | 14:24 |
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gampel | it is blocking the protectable | 14:24 |
gampel | chenzeng: Ok ? | 14:25 |
gampel | i will update him tomorrow | 14:25 |
gampel | #topic Workflow Engine | 14:25 |
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chenzeng | gampel:ok | 14:25 |
gampel | yinweimac saggi can you please update | 14:26 |
yinweimac | we have checked with saggi, so there's no dependency on checkpoint patch anymore | 14:26 |
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saggi | There are some patches by walinguan that still need some work | 14:26 |
saggi | yinwei is working on getting the leases working | 14:26 |
yinweimac | wla will address saggi's comment, and expose more necessary params in base class | 14:26 |
gampel | what about the bank collection | 14:27 |
gampel | #link Create BankCheckpointCollection implementation https://review.openstack.org/#/c/280325/ | 14:27 |
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yinweimac | wla will also complete protection task flow and then we can start debugging from api service to cinder protection plugin | 14:27 |
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yinweimac | I think this patch could be merged | 14:28 |
gampel | yinweimac saggi what time frame do you think we can expect this patches to be ready ? | 14:28 |
yinweimac | and saggi and I will work based on this patch on parallel | 14:28 |
saggi | This patch I'll fix today | 14:28 |
saggi | The patch that serializes the resources will be done next week | 14:28 |
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gampel | Ok if we could merge the workflow we could start doing integration test | 14:29 |
yinweimac | one second, we still need merge the graph wolker listener as well | 14:29 |
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gampel | can you share the link | 14:30 |
gampel | Lets all try to focus review on API workflow patches and protectabl | 14:30 |
yinweimac | sorry I find I couldn't open the gerrit link now | 14:30 |
saggi | I reviewed it. It had some minor problems but nothing major. | 14:31 |
gampel | is it one of | 14:31 |
gampel | wangliuan patches | 14:31 |
yinweimac | saggi, could you pls. check the link? You reviewed it once. | 14:31 |
yinweimac | no, it's from luobin | 14:31 |
saggi | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/287572 | 14:31 |
gampel | #link he resource graph walker listener | 14:31 |
gampel | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/287572/ | 14:31 |
yinweimac | yes, I think it's this one | 14:32 |
gampel | #action saggi gampel chenying__ review graph walker listener | 14:32 |
gampel | so we have 5 patches for the workflow taht we need to merge | 14:33 |
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gampel | any think else on this topic | 14:33 |
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yinweimac | yes | 14:34 |
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yinweimac | one question about heat | 14:34 |
yinweimac | what version of heat template we will use | 14:34 |
saggi | Why not the latest? | 14:34 |
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gampel | what are the available versions and what is the difference ? | 14:35 |
yinweimac | some intrinsic functions | 14:35 |
yinweimac | latest has mapmerge, the second lastest has repeat | 14:35 |
yinweimac | things like that | 14:35 |
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gampel | I will go with the latest if there's no problem with it | 14:36 |
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yinweimac | ok | 14:36 |
gampel | #action yinweimac provide restore flow spec (research heat template and restore flow ) | 14:37 |
gampel | yinweimac is it OK ? | 14:37 |
yinweimac | ok | 14:37 |
gampel | great thanks | 14:37 |
yinweimac | btw, luobin and hurong has committed patches for image/server protection plugin reference implementation | 14:37 |
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gampel | yes i looked at them today looks very good | 14:37 |
yinweimac | that's good | 14:38 |
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gampel | #topic Protection Plugin & Service | 14:38 |
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gampel | yinweimac: any other update i see that cinder, nova are all most ready | 14:39 |
yinweimac | Currently chenzeng is working on network protection plugin, together with wla | 14:39 |
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yinweimac | chenzeng could update | 14:39 |
yinweimac | he has traveled to shenzhen, and becomes a big help here | 14:39 |
gampel | chenzeng: please update | 14:39 |
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chenzeng | ok, today, i start to write the codes, i hope to submit one patch about 'neutron:subnet' tommorrow. | 14:40 |
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gampel | ok if you need any help with the neutron data module contact me on the IRC | 14:41 |
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gampel | so it seem that we could even merge this week most of the protection plugin | 14:42 |
gampel | besides neutron | 14:42 |
yinweimac | hope so | 14:42 |
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gampel | very good job guys | 14:42 |
gampel | #topic Smaug Python Client | 14:42 |
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yinweimac | and try to start integration test next week | 14:42 |
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gampel | that will be excellent | 14:43 |
gampel | chenying__ do you want to update | 14:43 |
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gampel | about Smaug Python Client | 14:43 |
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chenzeng | gampel:thanks very much. | 14:44 |
chenying__ | I will submit last one patch about scheduler_operation | 14:44 |
xiangxinyong | i know chengying had finished most of them. | 14:44 |
gampel | very good so when we have the integration working we could set up CI to run the fullstack test | 14:45 |
gampel | good job we will try to review the last patches | 14:45 |
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gampel | #topic smaug UI dashboard | 14:46 |
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gampel | xiangxinyong: the stage is yours | 14:46 |
xiangxinyong | ok | 14:46 |
xiangxinyong | I make some patches, but it could not be submit because the py27 will not be passed. | 14:46 |
xiangxinyong | The dashboard refers to some python-smaugclient. | 14:46 |
xiangxinyong | The python-smaugclient need be tagged a inital version. | 14:46 |
gampel | which patch ? | 14:47 |
gampel | can you share the link | 14:47 |
xiangxinyong | no link | 14:47 |
xiangxinyong | eran | 14:47 |
gampel | chenying__: can you set the tag | 14:48 |
xiangxinyong | the patches are still local | 14:48 |
chenying__ | Ok | 14:48 |
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xiangxinyong | we need to add python-smaugclient into smaug and smaug-dashboard's requirements.txt | 14:48 |
gampel | #action chenying__ set tag initial on python-smaugclient | 14:49 |
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xiangxinyong | saggi gave a lot of suggestions about the dashboard. Thanks. | 14:49 |
xiangxinyong | The dashboard has still some work to do, especially about the resource tree which is very complex. | 14:49 |
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gampel | Ok do you want to have a meeting about that ? | 14:50 |
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yinweimac | xinyong, do you mean we will show topology graph of resource tree in dashboard? | 14:50 |
xiangxinyong | yeah | 14:50 |
yinweimac | cool | 14:50 |
gampel | I see that currently we support only UI install with coping files we need to add devsatck install as well | 14:51 |
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xiangxinyong | yeah, eran. | 14:51 |
gampel | xiangxinyong: you want to do it differently from the mock up UI | 14:51 |
xiangxinyong | not | 14:52 |
gampel | ok i suggest to have a meeting about the UI issues | 14:52 |
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xiangxinyong | we need to take a way to implement it. | 14:53 |
xiangxinyong | ok | 14:53 |
gampel | Ok lets discuss this | 14:53 |
gampel | #topic Open Bugs | 14:53 |
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chenzeng | saggi:one question, what's the dir 'smaug/services/protection/plugins' used for? | 14:53 |
gampel | any open bugs that are blocking | 14:53 |
saggi | all the files for the protection service | 14:53 |
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chenzeng | does all the protection plugins should be put at that dir? | 14:54 |
saggi | The should be smaug/services/operationengine | 14:54 |
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saggi | Yes, under some directory | 14:54 |
gampel | we have organized the plugins by sub directories for protection and protactabole .. | 14:55 |
saggi | +1 | 14:55 |
gampel | #topic open issues | 14:55 |
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chenzeng | so you can see the patch 'https://review.openstack.org/#/c/286458' | 14:55 |
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gampel | i would like to suggest moving to weekly every odd week in time better for china | 14:55 |
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gampel | what do you think ? | 14:55 |
gampel | so one week this time the other a good time for china | 14:56 |
gampel | sorry adding | 14:56 |
yinweimac | +1 | 14:56 |
chenzeng | should the volume plugin files be move to plungins dir? | 14:56 |
gampel | chenzeng: i will reveiw and see that it match all the other patches | 14:57 |
chenying__ | every week is better. | 14:57 |
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gampel | i have comment on that on the cprotection and protecabole patches | 14:57 |
chenzeng | gampel:ok, thanks. | 14:57 |
gampel | #action gampel find slot for other week that is earlier in china | 14:57 |
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gampel | any other isuues | 14:58 |
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gampel | thank you for very good job everyone we are almost there to having end to end protection | 14:58 |
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xiangxinyong | :) | 14:59 |
gampel | any last comments | 14:59 |
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yinweimac | good night and good day | 14:59 |
xiangxinyong | bye | 14:59 |
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yinweimac | :) | 14:59 |
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gampel | bye good night | 15:00 |
saggi | bye | 15:00 |
yuval | bye | 15:00 |
gampel | thanks | 15:00 |
chenying__ | bye | 15:00 |
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gampel | #endmeeting | 15:00 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Tue Mar 22 15:00:25 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:00 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/smaug/2016/smaug.2016-03-22-14.01.html | 15:00 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/smaug/2016/smaug.2016-03-22-14.01.txt | 15:00 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/smaug/2016/smaug.2016-03-22-14.01.log.html | 15:00 |
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jasondotstar | #startmeeting openstack-salt | 16:00 |
openstack | Meeting started Tue Mar 22 16:00:12 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jasondotstar. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_salt' | 16:00 |
genunix | "/ | 16:00 |
jasondotstar | #topic roll call | 16:00 |
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jasondotstar | o/ | 16:00 |
genunix | \o | 16:00 |
jasondotstar | hi genunix | 16:01 |
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cznewt | o/ | 16:01 |
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cznewt | hello all | 16:01 |
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jasondotstar | hi there | 16:01 |
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jasondotstar | #topic Introduction | 16:02 |
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jasondotstar | This meeting is for the openstack-salt team | 16:02 |
jasondotstar | if you're interested in contributing to the discussion, please join #openstack-salt | 16:02 |
jasondotstar | meetings are Weekly on Tuesdays at 1600UTC | 16:02 |
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jasondotstar | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/#OpenStack_Salt_Team_Meeting | 16:02 |
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jasondotstar | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/openstack-salt | 16:03 |
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jasondotstar | #topic Review past action items | 16:03 |
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jasondotstar | genunix to continue researching openstack packaging (with help from jasondotstar) | 16:03 |
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jasondotstar | no progress yet according to the etherpad | 16:03 |
genunix | jasondotstar: no progress :-( | 16:03 |
cznewt | oh :o | 16:04 |
jasondotstar | ok | 16:04 |
jasondotstar | np | 16:04 |
jasondotstar | same thing with mine with one exception | 16:04 |
jasondotstar | jasondotstar to research building RPMs using the openstack-ci | 16:04 |
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jasondotstar | were you guys aware that there is an RPM-packaging group ? | 16:05 |
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jasondotstar | dmllr is the chair | 16:06 |
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jasondotstar | my plan was to show up to their meeting | 16:06 |
jasondotstar | and see if we can get some insight on these two items (as they relate to RPM packaging) | 16:06 |
genunix | good idea IMO | 16:07 |
jasondotstar | #action genunix to continue researching openstack packaging (with help from jasondotstar) | 16:07 |
jasondotstar | #action jasondotstar to attend the RPM-packaging team meeting | 16:07 |
jasondotstar | let's see if we can make some headway this week and get some insight from them | 16:08 |
jasondotstar | #action jasondotstar to research building RPMs using the openstack-ci | 16:08 |
jasondotstar | ok next one: | 16:08 |
jasondotstar | iceyao to continue testing the centos aio deployment | 16:08 |
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jasondotstar | dont see iceyao online | 16:09 |
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jasondotstar | perhaps we move the meeting next week up to 1400UTC | 16:09 |
cznewt | yes is there a free slot? | 16:10 |
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cznewt | at some meeting channel? | 16:10 |
* jasondotstar checks... | 16:10 | |
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jasondotstar | 1300UTC is available | 16:11 |
jasondotstar | according to the calendar | 16:11 |
jasondotstar | we would have to switch channels tho. | 16:12 |
jasondotstar | it wouldn't be held in this channel | 16:12 |
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cznewt | it is fine with me | 16:12 |
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cznewt | 1300utc | 16:12 |
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jasondotstar | either #openstack-meeting-3 or #openstack-meeting-4 | 16:13 |
cznewt | either is fine | 16:13 |
jasondotstar | cznewt: +1 | 16:13 |
jasondotstar | anyone else have objections ? | 16:13 |
cznewt | genunix has gone away for a minute | 16:13 |
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jasondotstar | ok we can circle back to this | 16:14 |
jasondotstar | let's move on | 16:14 |
cznewt | but i could see in hs eyes that he aggrees :) | 16:14 |
cznewt | ok, yes | 16:14 |
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jasondotstar | arif-ali to continue the preparation of the RH repos | 16:14 |
jasondotstar | cznewt: hehehe :-) ok | 16:14 |
jasondotstar | is arif-ali around? | 16:14 |
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jasondotstar | if not, according to the etherpad, we're simply reusing RDO for now and Contrail redhat repos | 16:15 |
cznewt | yes for now, but running in some conflicts | 16:15 |
cznewt | in contrail dependencies | 16:15 |
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jasondotstar | +1 | 16:16 |
cznewt | but until we get better grasp on rpm repos, we'll have to stick to officials | 16:16 |
jasondotstar | +1 | 16:16 |
cznewt | next 1 pls :) | 16:16 |
jasondotstar | iceyao to look into getting OVS networking operational | 16:17 |
jasondotstar | status on the etherpad: | 16:17 |
jasondotstar | I got contact from a guy, who already implemented DVR networking using our salt formulas, he was instructed how to use gerrit on friday. | 16:17 |
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jasondotstar | any comments about this? | 16:17 |
cznewt | Yes, I don't have any more news about his progress | 16:17 |
jasondotstar | ok | 16:18 |
jasondotstar | same thing with the next one: | 16:18 |
jasondotstar | iceyao to get the neutron formula with OVS support ready | 16:18 |
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cznewt | I tried to point him to the meeting | 16:18 |
jasondotstar | so we've got something worked up to support this it seems | 16:18 |
cznewt | I hope he will get the registration process right | 16:18 |
jasondotstar | we'll have to follow up on this one | 16:18 |
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cznewt | yes can you give me task to track this to the next meeting? | 16:19 |
jasondotstar | ok sure | 16:19 |
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jasondotstar | #action cznewt to follow up on DVR networking and the neutron salt formula with OVS support ready | 16:19 |
cznewt | I'll try to bring him here as well | 16:19 |
jasondotstar | cznewt: +! | 16:20 |
jasondotstar | cznewt: +1 | 16:20 |
jasondotstar | next: | 16:20 |
jasondotstar | look into scheduling an informal openstack-salt session for our team | 16:20 |
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jasondotstar | so, I found out recently that it's more than likely that I won't be able to attend Summit in April :-/ | 16:21 |
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cznewt | bad news :( | 16:21 |
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jasondotstar | still, the team should try to figure out a place to informally meet for those that are going to be in attendance... | 16:21 |
jasondotstar | cznewt: i know. i was looking forward to it. | 16:21 |
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jasondotstar | i can assist with that | 16:21 |
jasondotstar | i just won't be able to be there (physically) | 16:22 |
cznewt | we were thinking to get around the vendors and invite them to session where we would show them how to add their stuff into it | 16:22 |
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cznewt | storage drivers are simplest to implement | 16:22 |
jasondotstar | +1 | 16:22 |
cznewt | then there are the sdns [a little harder] | 16:22 |
jasondotstar | +1 | 16:23 |
jasondotstar | jasondotstar to check the irc meeting channels for an available meeting slot at 1400UTC | 16:23 |
jasondotstar | well, just did this one :-) | 16:23 |
cznewt | this would be something different event to the birds of feathers | 16:23 |
jasondotstar | so that's complete | 16:23 |
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jasondotstar | cznewt: i think so. the informal is for the team here | 16:23 |
jasondotstar | sounds like you're talking about another meeting with vendors to discuss integration points, and etc. | 16:24 |
cznewt | yes, just wandering about marketing of this event | 16:24 |
cznewt | yes exactly | 16:24 |
cznewt | integration session to get overall knowledge of solution and to show them how simple it is to integrate | 16:24 |
jasondotstar | that may be difficult to obtain at this point | 16:24 |
jasondotstar | the BoF | 16:24 |
jasondotstar | but we can try | 16:24 |
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cznewt | this is different to BoF, informal one, but marketed | 16:25 |
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jasondotstar | well.... to me BoF is the 'sales pitch' meeting.... the informal session is just us.... IMHO | 16:26 |
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jasondotstar | other BoFs were like that in the past, but I could be mistaken on the true intent of a BoF.... | 16:26 |
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jasondotstar | either way, it's 2 different meetings with differing audiences for sure | 16:27 |
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cznewt | yes | 16:27 |
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jasondotstar | ok... | 16:27 |
jasondotstar | cznewt to update the team on the integration process of our salt formulas with saltstack | 16:27 |
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cznewt | I have started discussion with david boucha | 16:28 |
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cznewt | his quoted reply: "I'm looking over the formulas in the link you provided in your previous email. I'm really impressed! I'll dig a little deeper today." | 16:29 |
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jasondotstar | \o/ | 16:29 |
jasondotstar | nice | 16:29 |
cznewt | this sounds promising, but today has passed already :) | 16:29 |
jasondotstar | we'll keep an eye on it | 16:29 |
jasondotstar | :-) | 16:29 |
cznewt | this is from past thursday, I'll try to persuade a little more :) | 16:29 |
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cznewt | the matter is hard to solve | 16:30 |
jasondotstar | cool. | 16:31 |
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jasondotstar | ok last one: | 16:31 |
jasondotstar | continue to report the status of the CentOS-based labs | 16:31 |
cznewt | this is similar to topic already discussed | 16:31 |
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cznewt | the centos based lab is ready as the heat-based lab | 16:32 |
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cznewt | the issue is the repository management | 16:32 |
jasondotstar | gotcha | 16:32 |
jasondotstar | so we need to make sure we know where our RPM pkgs are going to live long term | 16:33 |
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jasondotstar | ok, any other comments on the tasks from last week? | 16:34 |
jasondotstar | if not, we can move to the next topic | 16:35 |
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cznewt | not from me | 16:35 |
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jasondotstar | ok | 16:36 |
jasondotstar | #topic Today's Agenda | 16:36 |
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jasondotstar | so we talked a little about the topic on the board | 16:36 |
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jasondotstar | the hw vendor session | 16:36 |
jasondotstar | wait, is genunix back? | 16:36 |
jasondotstar | can we confirm the 1300UTC timeslot? | 16:36 |
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jasondotstar | b/c I can go ahead and work on the commit to change the meeting time... | 16:37 |
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jasondotstar | ok we can circle back with genunix just to make sure that time is ok... sounds like it is | 16:38 |
genunix | it's fine for me | 16:39 |
genunix | much metter than now :) | 16:39 |
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jasondotstar | nice | 16:40 |
jasondotstar | ok | 16:40 |
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jasondotstar | #agreed the meeting timeslot will be moved to Tuesdays at 1300UTC | 16:41 |
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jasondotstar | ok back to the hw vendor session | 16:42 |
jasondotstar | did you guys want to talk about this more? | 16:42 |
cznewt | yes | 16:43 |
cznewt | I was thinking what you have said | 16:44 |
jasondotstar | cool. | 16:44 |
jasondotstar | well, there's nothing else on the agenda | 16:44 |
jasondotstar | if there's nothing else, we can adjourn | 16:45 |
jasondotstar | give the chan 15mins back :-) | 16:45 |
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jasondotstar | going once | 16:46 |
jasondotstar | twice? | 16:46 |
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jasondotstar | ok thanks team. we will chat again next week. | 16:47 |
cznewt | I'll get back to the topic on our channel | 16:47 |
jasondotstar | yep | 16:47 |
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jasondotstar | cznewt: ^ | 16:47 |
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jasondotstar | #endmeeting | 16:47 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Tue Mar 22 16:47:18 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:47 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_salt/2016/openstack_salt.2016-03-22-16.00.html | 16:47 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_salt/2016/openstack_salt.2016-03-22-16.00.txt | 16:47 |
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mmedvede | #startmeeting third-party | 17:00 |
openstack | Meeting started Tue Mar 22 17:00:45 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mmedvede. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'third_party' | 17:00 |
mmedvede | hi, anyone here for third-party working group meeting? | 17:01 |
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mmedvede | #topic announcments | 17:04 |
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mmedvede | #topic Gerrrit IP Change | 17:04 |
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ja3 | ola | 17:04 |
mmedvede | hey ja3 | 17:05 |
mmedvede | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-March/088985.html | 17:05 |
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mmedvede | review.openstack.org would have new IP on April 11 | 17:05 |
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mmedvede | so if you are running any filtering, you would need to make sure you still have access to the new IP | 17:07 |
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mmedvede | also, zuul might need to be restarted anyway, so it can reconnect to gerrit event stream | 17:08 |
ja3 | ok misha I'll let bob know | 17:08 |
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mmedvede | good :) | 17:09 |
mmedvede | that is all for announcements from me | 17:09 |
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mmedvede | #topic CI Watch | 17:10 |
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mmedvede | I did not have time to work on it. The patch queue still remains the same | 17:11 |
mmedvede | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack-infra/ciwatch+branch:feature/unit-tests+topic:ci-dashboard | 17:11 |
mmedvede | #topic Common-CI Solution | 17:12 |
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mmedvede | there is the patch for fixing gerrit key | 17:13 |
mmedvede | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/266041/ | 17:13 |
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mmedvede | ja3: I assume that works for you? | 17:13 |
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mmedvede | actually, there was -1, so the new line is still required for the key | 17:14 |
ja3 | we're not on ci-watch yet, so "sure" | 17:14 |
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mmedvede | ja3: that patch is for common ci solution | 17:15 |
mmedvede | #topic Open Discussion | 17:15 |
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mmedvede | anyone else is around? | 17:16 |
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mmedvede | ja3: do you have anything to discuss? | 17:16 |
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ja3 | no; we are to the point now where we're triggering off of nova patches instead of sandbox | 17:16 |
ja3 | but that's not visible externally, since we're not voting | 17:17 |
mmedvede | how stable is your test? | 17:17 |
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mmedvede | I think if it is stable enough, you could ask for permission to comment (but set it to non-voting) | 17:17 |
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ja3 | bob is running smoke tests only now, they are 80-90% successful, and in at least some of the cases he had looked at last time we talked the failures were Good Things (gate also failed) | 17:18 |
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mmedvede | 80-90% success rate is very reasonable | 17:19 |
mmedvede | stability here = if it fails, it fails again on recheck | 17:19 |
ja3 | we still need to get our log server. THAT process is not for the faint of heart I'm finding, since the process was re-structured last May. | 17:19 |
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mmedvede | ja3: are you planning to host your own logs, or use outside server? | 17:20 |
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ja3 | CIO-hosted. That's what we're supposed to use, is my understanding. | 17:23 |
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ja3 | Kurt said it's notionally the same setup you have, it's just that the request process has completely changed so no one with an existing CI system knows how to answer the onboarding questions. | 17:24 |
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mmedvede | ja3: ah, I see | 17:26 |
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mmedvede | I think it is still better than maintaining your own server | 17:26 |
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mmedvede | If there is nothing else, I'll close the meeting | 17:27 |
mmedvede | ja3: thanks for attending | 17:27 |
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ja3 | good IRCing with you misha | 17:28 |
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mmedvede | #endmeeting | 17:28 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Tue Mar 22 17:28:57 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:28 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2016/third_party.2016-03-22-17.00.html | 17:29 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2016/third_party.2016-03-22-17.00.txt | 17:29 |
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stevemar | ping for ajayaa, amakarov, ayoung, breton, browne, claudiub, davechen, david8hu, dolphm, dstanek, edmondsw, gyee, henrynash, hogepodge, htruta, jamielennox, joesavak, jorge_munoz, lbragstad, lhcheng, marekd, MaxPC, morganfainberg, nkinder, raildo, rodrigods, rderose, roxanaghe, samleon, samueldmq, shaleh, stevemar, tjcocozz, tsymanczyk, topol, vivekd, wanghong, xek | 17:59 |
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ayoung | Heyo | 17:59 |
lbragstad | stevemar o/ | 17:59 |
tjcocozz | o/ | 17:59 |
browne | o/ | 17:59 |
breton | o/ | 18:00 |
rderose | \o | 18:00 |
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stevemar | ohhh everyone is here so early | 18:00 |
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roxanaghe | o/ | 18:00 |
shaleh_ | \o | 18:00 |
amakarov | o/ | 18:00 |
rodrigods | o/ | 18:00 |
stevemar | crinkle: should i add you to the list? | 18:00 |
breton | are we left-handed or right-handed in o/ ? | 18:00 |
samueldmq | hi all | 18:00 |
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stevemar | breton: depends if you're viewing it from behind or in front | 18:00 |
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ayoung | breton, does not matter so long as you don't try to start with /o | 18:01 |
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crinkle | stevemar: o/ sure :) but i'm on a conference call atm so won't be paying much attention | 18:01 |
dstanek | hi | 18:01 |
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shaleh_ | breton: as a left handed person i tend to do the opposite of whatever I see ost doing. | 18:01 |
morgan | but i don't want a meeting | 18:01 |
stevemar | crinkle: cool, for future meetings anyway :) | 18:01 |
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morgan | stevemar: you should do the roll call thing and update the list | 18:01 |
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morgan | stevemar: for the next three meetings, and if someone is here, they're added if they aren't they're dropped | 18:02 |
morgan | stevemar: then let people add themselves after if needed | 18:02 |
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morgan | also... guang needs a bouncer :P | 18:02 |
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raildo | o/ | 18:02 |
stevemar | morgan: i cleaned it up last time, i'll look at logs this time around, the agenda is long | 18:02 |
stevemar | #topic RC status | 18:03 |
ayoung | I thought gyee was a bouncer? | 18:03 |
stevemar | oops | 18:03 |
stevemar | #startmeeting keystone | 18:03 |
openstack | Meeting started Tue Mar 22 18:03:14 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is stevemar. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:03 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:03 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'keystone' | 18:03 |
stevemar | #topic keystone RC status | 18:03 |
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stevemar | #link https://launchpad.net/keystone/+milestone/mitaka-rc1 | 18:03 |
stevemar | we cut RC1 last week and created the stable/mitaka branch | 18:04 |
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lbragstad | whoop | 18:04 |
stevemar | that is where mitaka proper will be released from | 18:04 |
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stevemar | if you have any fixes that should be backported, propose them to stable/mitaka | 18:04 |
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stevemar | i think the only one that may be included is bug 1558670, but it's definitely not a show stopper | 18:05 |
openstack | bug 1558670 in OpenStack Identity (keystone) "Internal server error when updating an identity provider" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1558670 - Assigned to Rodrigo Duarte (rodrigodsousa) | 18:05 |
rodrigods | ++ | 18:05 |
stevemar | any other issues with the current RC ? | 18:05 |
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bknudson | is there a tag like rc-potential? | 18:05 |
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stevemar | bknudson: yep | 18:05 |
stevemar | just tagged 1558670 with it | 18:06 |
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stevemar | no other bugs should have it | 18:06 |
stevemar | if no other questions here, we can move on | 18:07 |
stevemar | #topic Docs and DocImpact | 18:07 |
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stevemar | i thought we covered this last meeting... | 18:07 |
stevemar | maybe not | 18:07 |
ayoung | DOC DOC MOOSE! | 18:07 |
* morgan still dislikes docimpact opening a bug against keystone. | 18:07 | |
morgan | i think it's kindof absurd. | 18:08 |
ayoung | Keystone is absurd, so it fits | 18:08 |
ayoung | theater of the absurd | 18:08 |
stevemar | so if a patch is going to impact the openstack manuals create a DocImpact tag in the commit message | 18:08 |
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ayoung | stevemar, shouldn't it open a bug in openstack manuals? | 18:08 |
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stevemar | it'll open a bug against keystone, and we can use that to create keystone dev docs + it's up to us to also open it against the openstack-manuals team | 18:09 |
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ayoung | that sounds like not good | 18:09 |
stevemar | release notes are not changed, we should keep doing what we've been doing there | 18:09 |
dstanek | back to the stone age with manual processes! | 18:09 |
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ayoung | yeah, can we just do the right thing here? | 18:09 |
morgan | this is why i think docimpact is absurd to open a bug against keystone | 18:09 |
stevemar | it's part of an effort to reduce the amount of bugs the docs team has to deal with | 18:09 |
stevemar | they can't keep up | 18:09 |
bknudson | I think they want us to fill in whatever more info we can and then transfer it | 18:10 |
ayoung | assign the bug to the committer | 18:10 |
bknudson | or just close it | 18:10 |
ayoung | but don't put it in the keystone db | 18:10 |
morgan | stevemar: so... shove more bugs on the projects and then make us manually move it over -mwhich doesn't really reduce their bug count. just adds manual steps that will make the bugs / updates more likely to get lost | 18:10 |
dstanek | stevemar: the thing i don't like is that since we push our patches to include dev docs the only time i expect a docimpart is a manuals bug | 18:11 |
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stevemar | dstanek: yep, which is why i wasn't enforcing the DocImpact tag | 18:11 |
stevemar | and it was just 2 weeks ago that the docs team learned about keystone-manage bootstrap :( | 18:11 |
ayoung | yeah, let's can this one | 18:11 |
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stevemar | we can chat about it with the docs team in person at the summit | 18:12 |
stevemar | but for now, this was just a PSA | 18:12 |
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ayoung | and let's open the bugs where they belong. IN the docs repo, but assign them to the keystone user that commited the patch, or to a default keystone contact if that is all we can do | 18:12 |
ayoung | ok...move on? | 18:12 |
stevemar | yep | 18:13 |
stevemar | happily | 18:13 |
stevemar | #topic Define driver interface | 18:13 |
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stevemar | bknudson: ^ | 18:13 |
bknudson | so today we essentially define the driver interface by test_backends | 18:13 |
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bknudson | and test_backends is actually mostly testing the managers, not the drivers | 18:13 |
bknudson | so the proposal is to have component tests for the drviers | 18:13 |
bknudson | which also means updating the docstrings for the drivers to actually specify how they're supposed to work | 18:14 |
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bknudson | for example, the docstring for create_user should say that it returns the user | 18:14 |
stevemar | bknudson: do you have an example / first patch that we can look at ? | 18:14 |
rodrigods | bknudson, so mock the driver responses? | 18:14 |
bknudson | because otherwise keystone isn't going to work. | 18:14 |
stevemar | wait found it | 18:14 |
stevemar | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/291950/ | 18:14 |
rodrigods | bknudson, i mean, for the manager tests | 18:14 |
bknudson | rodrigods: for the manager tests what I plan to do is run them with sqlite. | 18:15 |
amakarov | can't imagine how driver unit test may look like | 18:15 |
rodrigods | so no sense do have driver tests? | 18:15 |
bknudson | sqlite only, and the driver tests will run against all the drivers we support. | 18:15 |
rodrigods | since they are being tested with the manager | 18:15 |
rodrigods | bknudson, hmm | 18:15 |
rodrigods | got it | 18:15 |
amakarov | maybe revive functional testing idea? | 18:15 |
rodrigods | amakarov, we are going to get there :) | 18:16 |
rodrigods | in today's meeting | 18:16 |
bknudson | so for example we will have driver tests that test against real sql | 18:16 |
bknudson | and hopefully real ldap. | 18:16 |
ayoung | WOO! | 18:16 |
rodrigods | bknudson, great, so it is aligned with the tempest plugin bp | 18:16 |
rderose | bknudson: sounds good to me | 18:16 |
bknudson | functional tests are different. They test from the REST API in | 18:17 |
dstanek | bknudson: i'd love to see a fake driver that acts exactly as a real driver would to test the managers | 18:17 |
bknudson | the driver tests will be calling the driver methods directly | 18:17 |
ayoung | bknudson, meaningless without a real back end though | 18:17 |
ayoung | functional tests need to be there to set up LDAP and SQL | 18:17 |
ayoung | otherwise it is a finger drill | 18:17 |
bknudson | for SQL a real backend should be pretty easy. | 18:18 |
ayoung | same for LDAP | 18:18 |
ayoung | devstack supports now | 18:18 |
bknudson | this is the next topic | 18:18 |
dstanek | ayoung: we can do that without having functional tests | 18:18 |
bknudson | LDAP will be a little harder I'll have to convince infra to have LDAP in the unit test image like they do with mysql and postgresql | 18:18 |
ayoung | dstanek, now we are arguing over the semantics of functional tests. So, yes, sure | 18:18 |
rodrigods | bknudson, long term is a great effort | 18:18 |
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shaleh_ | bknudson: why is ldap harder than two sql packages? | 18:19 |
ayoung | shaleh_, cuz only Keystone needs it, and thus only we understand it. | 18:19 |
amakarov | shaleh_, imagine loading fixtures there )) | 18:19 |
stevemar | shaleh_: i imagine some push back since we're the only project that'll use ldap and those images are for every project | 18:19 |
bknudson | shaleh_: it's harder because the sql packages are already there whereas for openldap I'll have to find out if they can do it. | 18:19 |
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ayoung | bknudson, can we install post image build? | 18:20 |
stevemar | looks like we have a lot of different testing strategies to pick from | 18:20 |
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ayoung | it means that the Keystone process will take a little longer , but, so what... | 18:20 |
bknudson | ayoung: I think there's a way to do the install ourselves. | 18:21 |
ayoung | bknudson, OK. We can link that in with the LDAP cleanup effort, then. | 18:21 |
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ayoung | Worst case, we battle to get it in to the base effort | 18:21 |
stevemar | bknudson: mind if we jump to the next topic? | 18:21 |
bknudson | yes, part of this was to help with the LDAP cleanup effort | 18:21 |
amakarov | bknudson, one tricky thing about LDAP: enterprises use everything besides OpenLDAP :) | 18:21 |
bknudson | ok, only question is if others wanted to work on a driver. | 18:21 |
bknudson | if so, get in touch. | 18:22 |
rodrigods | ++ | 18:22 |
bknudson | enterprise ldap isn't going to be installed by infra since it's not open source | 18:22 |
shaleh_ | amakarov: true, but how many of our problems are really due to different LDAP impls? | 18:22 |
stevemar | guys, bknudson is asking for help, it must be hard | 18:22 |
bknudson | you'll need to provide external CI for that. | 18:22 |
rodrigods | shaleh_, some... | 18:22 |
rodrigods | not much, though | 18:22 |
ayoung | amakarov, I am well aware...especially active directory, but testing that is non-free | 18:22 |
ayoung | shaleh_, which is also the answer to your question | 18:23 |
stevemar | #topic Opportunistic DB tests | 18:23 |
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stevemar | bknudson: ^ you're up again | 18:23 |
stevemar | this is awesome btw | 18:23 |
bknudson | so this is somewhat related to the prev discussion | 18:23 |
bknudson | turns out infra installs mysql and postgresql | 18:23 |
bknudson | with a known username and password | 18:24 |
amakarov | ayoung, can we provide some way to configure functional test to run against come configurable LDAP backend? | 18:24 |
bknudson | and oslo.db has test_db which supports these databases | 18:24 |
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bknudson | and runs with them if they're available | 18:24 |
amakarov | I think that can be handy for deployers | 18:24 |
ayoung | amakarov, yes, and we should also treat it like another database | 18:24 |
bknudson | so the work here is to get our migration tests working with mysql and postgresql, too. | 18:24 |
bknudson | anyways, I'm making good progress | 18:25 |
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bknudson | and I'll try to add some docs so that devs can set up their env to run them, too. | 18:25 |
ayoung | we probably should focus on LDAP via domain specific backends, as that is the easiest: if it is there, mount it.... | 18:25 |
stevemar | which would be great, since we find bugs very often related to non-sqlite backends | 18:25 |
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rderose | ++ | 18:25 |
shaleh_ | stevemar: no doubt | 18:25 |
bknudson | the migrations are not working now with mysql | 18:25 |
bknudson | and postgresql | 18:25 |
stevemar | bknudson: ? | 18:26 |
bknudson | but there's not too many failures. I'll post the changes. | 18:26 |
amakarov | bknudson, neat | 18:26 |
bknudson | the migration tests, not the migrations themselvs. | 18:26 |
stevemar | bknudson: the tests or the | 18:26 |
stevemar | oh good | 18:26 |
stevemar | scared me for a sec | 18:26 |
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bknudson | that was it, just wanted others to know that this is available. | 18:26 |
bknudson | I think the infra team is changing things up a bit so that the dbs are only available on a periodic job. | 18:27 |
shaleh_ | bknudson: what will toggle between sqlite and the others? | 18:27 |
bknudson | there are 3 test classes, they all try to run | 18:27 |
bknudson | oh, what toggles is there's a fixture that sets the connection string so sqlalchemy picks the right driver | 18:27 |
stevemar | shaleh_: oslo.db magic to figure out whats installed | 18:27 |
amakarov | shaleh_, foreign keys cascading operations for sure | 18:28 |
shaleh_ | bknudson: nice | 18:28 |
stevemar | rodrigods: ready for next topic? | 18:28 |
rodrigods | yep! | 18:28 |
rodrigods | should be quick | 18:28 |
stevemar | bknudson: i am really looking forward to the different sql tests | 18:28 |
stevemar | bknudson: let me know if i can help | 18:29 |
stevemar | #topic Specless bp for tempest plugin interface tests | 18:29 |
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stevemar | rodrigods: ^ | 18:29 |
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rodrigods | so... tempest won't accept negative tests anymore | 18:29 |
rodrigods | that are component specific | 18:29 |
rodrigods | dstanek was in the meeting as well | 18:29 |
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rodrigods | the idea is to have tests in keystone using the tempest plugin interface | 18:29 |
rodrigods | this tests will run only against keystone | 18:30 |
bknudson | this sounds cool | 18:30 |
rodrigods | since are tests, don't need a spec, right? | 18:30 |
bknudson | does it replace the functional testing we've been discussing? e.g., federation tests? | 18:30 |
dstanek | this stemmed from QA wanting to get rid of certain types of tests from tempest and push them back into the projects | 18:30 |
stevemar | is this the keystone meeting or the QA meeting, it's all tests! | 18:30 |
bknudson | no spec is needed. | 18:30 |
rodrigods | stevemar, lol | 18:31 |
stevemar | ++ no spec | 18:31 |
dstanek | bknudson: i've been toying with a plugin to do the functional testing | 18:31 |
rodrigods | should be sending a patch this week | 18:31 |
rodrigods | dstanek, ++ | 18:31 |
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bknudson | how many tests are they getting rid of? | 18:31 |
dstanek | bknudson: it looks like it could, but we'd still need to carry all the devstack things that i wrote | 18:31 |
rodrigods | bknudson, none | 18:31 |
rodrigods | but new ones won't be accepted | 18:31 |
bknudson | I've always found tempest's keystone tests to be pretty wacky, e.g., they have a v3.admin package??? | 18:31 |
rodrigods | they even denied a test where a found the idp update bug | 18:31 |
rodrigods | bknudson, yes | 18:32 |
bknudson | so are the plugin tests only for negative tests or any tests we want? | 18:32 |
dstanek | bknudson: rodrigods: right, they decided to keep them all (they were primarily talking about negative tests) | 18:32 |
rodrigods | bknudson, any tests we want | 18:32 |
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bknudson | when would we choose our plugin vs tempest proper? | 18:33 |
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rodrigods | i think the answer is: whenever we communicate with other components -> tempest | 18:33 |
stevemar | maybe we should have all these tests in it's own repo, i think ayoung mentioned this | 18:33 |
rodrigods | only keystone -> keystone | 18:33 |
dstanek | bknudson: it sounds like most things we want to test would be in our plugin since we don't use may other services | 18:33 |
rodrigods | stevemar, makes sense... but is a bit more work to enable them in this case | 18:33 |
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dstanek | rodrigods: also i imagine tests of defcore? | 18:34 |
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shaleh_ | do we plan to pull tests in from Tempest once the infrastructure is in place to accept them? | 18:34 |
rodrigods | shaleh_, maybe? | 18:34 |
rodrigods | makes sense to me | 18:35 |
stevemar | we could | 18:35 |
shaleh_ | rodrigods: at least on the negative/positive side right? | 18:35 |
rodrigods | shaleh_, yes | 18:35 |
shaleh_ | Tempest validates it works, we look for where it does not. | 18:35 |
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stevemar | i really hope this talk continues up to and at the summit | 18:36 |
shaleh_ | so even though each project will carry these tests they will still be executed by a Tempest run? | 18:36 |
breton | what's a negative test? | 18:36 |
rodrigods | breton, the tests an error, for example | 18:37 |
bknudson | breton: a negative test is one that shows what happens when you do something wrong | 18:37 |
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bknudson | e.g., try to specify an ID when you create a user | 18:37 |
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dstanek | breton: the most valuable tests! | 18:38 |
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ayoung | stevemar, the rationale for its own repo was to be able to to double book entry accounting | 18:39 |
ayoung | any change that affects tests has to be done in 3 commits | 18:39 |
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ayoung | 1. change the tests | 18:39 |
ayoung | 2. change the main code | 18:39 |
ayoung | 3. change the tests to validate the new code | 18:39 |
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ayoung | usually step 1 is "disable old tests that are checking the wrong thing" | 18:40 |
rodrigods | hmm | 18:40 |
rodrigods | true | 18:40 |
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ayoung | But...the other issue I had with tempest is that their test infrastructure essentially has its own client implementation | 18:40 |
bknudson | it should be easy to split out the plugin later since it's self-contained. | 18:40 |
stevemar | ayoung: yep, it's got merit, but we can probably just add to our own projects for now and when it gets too big we can toss them in their own repo | 18:40 |
ayoung | I'd much rather we focused on functional testing in the keystone client project most of all | 18:41 |
stevemar | the tests are not public interfaces, so we can rip them out whenever | 18:41 |
ayoung | client->server->real backends | 18:41 |
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amakarov | ayoung, ++ | 18:41 |
rodrigods | ayoung, it's an option, but we need to test keystone directly | 18:41 |
amakarov | ayoung, the problem is that such tests are hard to investigate on their failure | 18:42 |
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rodrigods | and tempest has a really great infrastructure in its plugins | 18:42 |
rodrigods | to write the tests | 18:42 |
ayoung | rodrigods, the KC is such a think wrapper , I disagree | 18:42 |
ayoung | in order to break something, it would take a change to both Keystone and client in sync | 18:42 |
rodrigods | ayoung, we need both | 18:43 |
shaleh_ | rodrigods: help them make it available to all now that they are asking each project to carry tests? | 18:43 |
bknudson | ok, my vote is no spec is required. Might help but not a big deal. | 18:43 |
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bknudson | we can review the code. | 18:43 |
rodrigods | will put the docs in the commit message too | 18:43 |
rodrigods | it should be enough | 18:43 |
dstanek | bknudson: i don't think we need a spec either | 18:44 |
stevemar | docs in the commit msg? | 18:44 |
rodrigods | stevemar, link :P | 18:44 |
stevemar | ahhh | 18:44 |
stevemar | rodrigods: i see | 18:44 |
stevemar | rodrigods: keep the docs in the docs folder :P | 18:44 |
rodrigods | stevemar, tempest plugin interface docs | 18:44 |
stevemar | #topic TLS Gate | 18:44 |
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rodrigods | thanks o/ | 18:44 |
ayoung | OK, so Rob can't make it | 18:44 |
stevemar | anyone know rcritten ? | 18:45 |
stevemar | ayoung does | 18:45 |
ayoung | stevemar, he's from my team | 18:45 |
bknudson | we've all met rcritten | 18:45 |
ayoung | we are trying to get TLS everywhere to work | 18:45 |
ayoung | and this is part of that effort. | 18:45 |
ayoung | So, the question here is, can Keystone run with this setup | 18:45 |
bknudson | my only complaint about this is I don't think keystone needs a TLS proxy | 18:45 |
bknudson | we run in httpd, so just configure httpd with TLS | 18:45 |
ayoung | yeah, but do we set up Keystone with TLS at all? | 18:45 |
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morgan | bknudson: ++ | 18:46 |
ayoung | I figure the setup would be roughly the same...and many sites do front things with a proxy | 18:46 |
bknudson | so I'd really like to see this, but I think we'd be better off waiting until we get rid of eventlet and uwsgi | 18:46 |
morgan | HTTPD can handle the TLS layer just fine. | 18:46 |
bknudson | and then just set httpd to TLS and skip the proxy | 18:46 |
ayoung | right morgan ? HA Proxy as a TLS terminator is common | 18:46 |
stevemar | how does devstack setup keystone with tls now if we run under httpd? | 18:46 |
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morgan | ayoung: it's all the same really - but i don't see a big benefit to adding a proxy for the sake of proxy | 18:47 |
bknudson | if someone wants to propose haproxy in devstack that would be interesting, too. | 18:47 |
ayoung | does it even support that? stevemar ? | 18:47 |
morgan | in gate | 18:47 |
ayoung | bknudson, ++ | 18:47 |
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morgan | but haproxy is better than generic tls proxy | 18:47 |
amakarov | bknudson, we use it already | 18:48 |
ayoung | morgan, so in this case it is more acase of validating the approach so that we can get the other services to use it, too | 18:48 |
browne | we use haproxy as ssl terminator. does the load balancing and active-active for us very nicely | 18:48 |
amakarov | browne, ++ | 18:48 |
bknudson | browne: how do you run keystone? eventlet? | 18:48 |
ayoung | I can answer back that we think HAProxy would be the better approach. I think that is not a bad answer | 18:48 |
dstanek | browne: is haproxy running on each node? | 18:48 |
ayoung | would we then use it? | 18:48 |
browne | bknudson: yes today (kilo based) | 18:48 |
browne | dstanek: haproxy runs on its own vm separate from the controller. | 18:49 |
dstanek | browne: so traffic from haproxy -> keystone isn't over TLS | 18:49 |
amakarov | bknudson, we run haproxy + apache mod_wsgi (looking towards uwsgi) | 18:49 |
browne | dstanek: no, its just http on private network | 18:49 |
ayoung | dstanek, it can be, but that is a different (but important) thing to test | 18:49 |
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browne | and we use keepalived for virtual IPs | 18:50 |
dstanek | ayoung: that's why i was asking :-) i like TLS everywhere, not just between users and services | 18:50 |
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stevemar | 10 minute warning | 18:51 |
ayoung | OK...that is all I have. | 18:51 |
bknudson | I think we should start with (for keystone) configuring apache for TLS. | 18:51 |
ayoung | bknudson, ++ | 18:51 |
dstanek | bknudson: ++ | 18:51 |
amakarov | https://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.4/ssl/ | 18:51 |
bknudson | ignore eventlet case since that's dead | 18:51 |
dstanek | bknudson: if they want to shoot themselves in the foot with eventlet then they can use haproxy/stud/whatever to terminate | 18:52 |
breton | letsencrypt? | 18:52 |
ayoung | but actually, what about the Keystone gate jobas | 18:53 |
stevemar | this is where we setup the different keystone deployment methods: https://github.com/openstack-dev/devstack/blob/master/lib/keystone#L283-L323 | 18:53 |
bknudson | we're getting rid of keystone-all, so there won't be eventlet | 18:53 |
ayoung | shouldn't we be running with the other services behind tls proxy or comparable? | 18:53 |
bknudson | other services will have to use tls proxy unless they can run in apache | 18:53 |
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ayoung | right, so can we enble that gate job for Keystone? | 18:54 |
ayoung | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/293090/ | 18:54 |
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ayoung | we can modify it to not do proxy for Apache based services. Is that the feedback? | 18:54 |
bknudson | does it work? | 18:54 |
bknudson | the gate job? | 18:54 |
bknudson | I'd prefer it if the devstack config for tls "proxy" was configuring apache to do TLS directly | 18:55 |
stevemar | ++ | 18:55 |
bknudson | and of course running keystone in apache and not eventlet | 18:55 |
ayoung | bknudson, according to Rob (who is far more thorough than I am on most things) yes it does | 18:55 |
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ayoung | So, to be honest, I would have to look at what he means by "most services" | 18:56 |
bknudson | is rcrit going to be around so we can ask him questions? I'm trying to change things in this area and might have questions or might ask him to do stuff. | 18:56 |
ayoung | bknudson, yeah, I asked him to be here, but too late for him to change another appointment. I'll drag him in next week | 18:57 |
ayoung | he'll be back later on today, too | 18:57 |
bknudson | have him ping me when he's on | 18:57 |
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ayoung | bknudson, will do. He's got two accoutns active in #freeipa right now | 18:57 |
ayoung | just I know he's OOTO ATM | 18:57 |
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ayoung | all I have | 18:57 |
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stevemar | bknudson follow up with rcritten and see if you have overlap i guess | 18:58 |
stevemar | last topic ... | 18:58 |
stevemar | #topic Apply for stable:follows-policy tag | 18:58 |
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stevemar | i will submit a patch for this | 18:58 |
stevemar | end topic :) | 18:58 |
ayoung | bknudson, waht does that tag give us? | 18:58 |
bknudson | I don't have any info here, it was just asked this morning in the mtg. | 18:58 |
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shaleh_ | bknudson: someone was looking for people to talk about it last week | 18:59 |
stevemar | ayoung: it just asserts that we will follow the stable policy | 18:59 |
ayoung | stevemar, no way! | 18:59 |
bknudson | I guess stevemar will fill us in next week. | 18:59 |
ayoung | times up | 18:59 |
stevemar | so we won't backport features or nonsense | 18:59 |
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stevemar | yep | 18:59 |
stevemar | #endmeeting | 18:59 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Tue Mar 22 18:59:50 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:59 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2016/keystone.2016-03-22-18.03.html | 18:59 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2016/keystone.2016-03-22-18.03.txt | 18:59 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2016/keystone.2016-03-22-18.03.log.html | 18:59 |
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fungi | infra team, assemble! | 18:59 |
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Zara | HI | 19:00 |
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jhesketh | Morning | 19:00 |
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clarkb | hello | 19:00 |
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zaro | o/ | 19:01 |
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fungi | looks like we also have agenda items from jeblair, austin81, timothyb89, anteaya and igorbelikov | 19:02 |
pabelanger | o/ | 19:02 |
anteaya | I'm here | 19:02 |
ianw | o/ | 19:02 |
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fungi | #startmeeting infra | 19:02 |
openstack | Meeting started Tue Mar 22 19:02:24 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is fungi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:02 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:02 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'infra' | 19:02 |
cdent | o/ | 19:02 |
fungi | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/InfraTeamMeeting#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 19:02 |
dougwig | o/ | 19:02 |
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fungi | #topic Announcements | 19:02 |
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fungi | we got our requested summit session allotment | 19:02 |
anteaya | yay | 19:03 |
fungi | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/InfraTeamMeeting#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 19:03 |
pleia2 | and we're sharing friday with QA | 19:03 |
jeblair | yay us! | 19:03 |
fungi | er, wrong link. fixing | 19:03 |
fungi | #undo | 19:03 |
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fungi | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/infra-newton-summit-planning Newton Summit Planning | 19:03 |
pleia2 | (I updated the etherpad to reflect this sharing) | 19:03 |
fungi | i've tweaked that to make it clear what we have | 19:03 |
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Zara | :) | 19:03 |
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fungi | there we go | 19:04 |
fungi | anyway, reminder to put ideas there so we can firm them up, choose and schedule them | 19:04 |
fungi | #info Please put Infra team summit session ideas on the Etherpad | 19:04 |
fungi | #topic Actions from last meeting | 19:05 |
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fungi | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2016/infra.2016-03-15-19.03.html | 19:05 |
fungi | 1. | 19:05 |
fungi | (none) | 19:05 |
fungi | i'm terrible at pasting things today | 19:05 |
jeblair | we're rocking it again | 19:05 |
fungi | #topic Specs approval | 19:05 |
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fungi | #link http://specs.openstack.org/openstack-infra/infra-specs/specs/publish-election-repo.html APPROVED: Add elections.openstack.org | 19:06 |
mordred | o/ | 19:06 |
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jeblair | fungi: what happened with the url modification of that spec? | 19:06 |
fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/278777 PROPOSED: Add Nodepool Zookeeper spec (jeblair) | 19:06 |
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anteaya | jeblair: I think it was a follow up patch | 19:07 |
fungi | jeblair: that was the final result with the url modification | 19:07 |
fungi | i technically approved teh spec and teh addendum to the spec | 19:07 |
jeblair | ah. it's perhaps still somewhat misleading. | 19:07 |
fungi | but there was no final artifact to link to for the interim state | 19:07 |
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fungi | oh, yes the title needs fixing it appears | 19:07 |
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jeblair | also a bit in the 1st pgraph | 19:08 |
jeblair | but the porposed change reads as i would expect | 19:08 |
fungi | if tonyb or jhesketh or tristanC or anyone else proposes that cleanup i'll happily approve as administrivia | 19:08 |
pabelanger | So, reading the spec, zookeeper will be a hard dependency now for zuul? | 19:08 |
clarkb | pabelanger: nodepool | 19:08 |
pabelanger | oh, right | 19:08 |
jeblair | ah, yes | 19:08 |
anteaya | the name of the file changed but the title of the spec didn't: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/292666/4/specs/publish-election-repo.rst | 19:09 |
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jeblair | i believe greghaynes and i have bashed this into shape | 19:09 |
jeblair | i believe greghaynes and i have bashed the nodepool zookeeper spec into shape | 19:09 |
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pabelanger | I think there is zookeeper packaging issues on centos7, but think ianw was looking into that | 19:09 |
jeblair | so i think this is ready for voting | 19:09 |
pabelanger | either way, not a blocker for us | 19:09 |
jhesketh | I can update that later today | 19:09 |
jeblair | unless anyone else wants to dive in on specifics first | 19:09 |
anteaya | jhesketh: thanks | 19:09 |
ianw | yes, it is not on centos, but i'm thinking we need it for tooz/distributed locking/devstack soon | 19:10 |
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jeblair | also, fyi, i had hoped to have a follow-on spec for using zookeeper as part of the nodepool-zuulv3 interface, but we were short-staffed friday and that did not go as planned. hope to have it done soon. | 19:10 |
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mordred | ianw: ++ | 19:10 |
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pabelanger | ianw: I'll look into that soon too. Nodepool RPM is about ready for rawhide and hope to move into epel7 shortly after | 19:11 |
ianw | (just for the minutes, i have started looking at this in -> https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/zookeeper-epel7) | 19:11 |
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* ianw waves hello to people googling "zookeeper" "centos" :) | 19:12 | |
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* jeblair wishes them good luck | 19:13 | |
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clarkb | run a ubuntu container on centos7 | 19:13 |
clarkb | problem solved _> | 19:13 |
eil397 | : - ) | 19:13 |
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eil397 | just for one java app | 19:13 |
fungi | yeah, it is worth noting this adds yet another java app into our toolchain | 19:14 |
jeblair | yep. | 19:14 |
fungi | hopefully it just works and we get to treat it as mostly a black box | 19:14 |
clarkb | but its a very easy one to deploy | 19:14 |
jeblair | i'm told zookeeper is the best at what it does | 19:14 |
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pabelanger | clarkb: good to know | 19:14 |
pabelanger | hopefully we don't need 8 of them | 19:15 |
clarkb | pabelanger: the recommendation is 5 | 19:15 |
jeblair | pabelanger: we may want a few of them | 19:15 |
jeblair | for quorum purposes | 19:15 |
pabelanger | indeed | 19:15 |
clarkb | 3 works, 5 is better, you don't want more than 5 apparently | 19:15 |
jeblair | but we'll be able to share it for multiple services | 19:15 |
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fungi | prime numbers huh? | 19:16 |
jeblair | so if this goes well, and zuul starts using it too, we can manage one centrally | 19:16 |
mordred | yup. installing and running on ubuntu is VERY easy | 19:16 |
jeblair | https://review.openstack.org/293176 | 19:16 |
jeblair | i started on adding it to nodepool's test infrastructure ^ | 19:16 |
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jeblair | that'll give you a minimal idea of what it takes to run | 19:16 |
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fungi | that's not terrible at all | 19:17 |
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fungi | nice, already has a python client lib | 19:17 |
jeblair | nah, and most of that is boilerplate that packages handle for the system installation (i had to copy some things in to run it inside the unit test runner) | 19:17 |
jeblair | yeah, it's _super_ easy to use | 19:18 |
jeblair | i wrote a quick test script to validate the ideas i wrote in the spec. it's as easy to use as you would hope. | 19:18 |
jeblair | get() put() lock() etc | 19:18 |
mordred | and it's a library used in openstack | 19:18 |
mordred | so it's getting some hammering from that direction too | 19:19 |
* jeblair wonders whether we will hammer it more :) | 19:19 | |
fungi | on the servers section, the implication is that we'd run a zookeeper service on the nodepool server, or would it be on separate servers? | 19:19 |
clarkb | given nodepool's reliability requirements not sure we would need to do anything complicated to start | 19:19 |
jeblair | fungi: i was thinking we'd just start with a local zookeeper on nodepool.o.o | 19:20 |
mordred | fungi: if you want to play with one 'easily' on an ubuntu node, just apt-get install zookeeper, then run '/usr/share/zookeeper/bin/zkServer.sh start' | 19:20 |
clarkb | jeblair: +1 | 19:20 |
mordred | ++ | 19:20 |
jeblair | mordred: there's an init script too, in the zookeeper-init package or something | 19:20 |
mordred | fungi: and /usr/share/zookeeper/bin/zkCli.sh will then connect to that in a repl | 19:20 |
mordred | jeblair: oh - really? neat | 19:20 |
fungi | yeah, that seems like a convenient way to bootstrap our use of it | 19:20 |
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cody-somerville | \o_ | 19:20 |
mordred | zookeeperd | 19:20 |
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mordred | for the record | 19:20 |
mordred | is where the init scripts are | 19:20 |
tristanC | fungi: about election.o.o, its likely stalled from election officials since we are quite busy with the on-going elections process | 19:20 |
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jeblair | mordred: ah, thanks | 19:21 |
mordred | btw - I like having init scripts in one package and software in another | 19:21 |
fungi | tristanC: yeah, no need to worry about that for now. the spec can take as long as it takes to get implemented | 19:21 |
jeblair | mordred: it's a pattern i could get used to | 19:21 |
fungi | mordred: agreed, makes it more reusable when you don't want to run it as a service but still want the software installed | 19:22 |
clarkb | or just don't start be default | 19:22 |
fungi | clarkb: hush, you're speaking in redhatese now | 19:22 |
fungi | (granted, it's one of the only things rh does differently from debian which i actually agree with) | 19:23 |
fungi | okay, any more questions on "Add Nodepool Zookeeper" or should we put it up for final council voting this week? | 19:23 |
anteaya | I'm good for voting | 19:24 |
fungi | #info Council voting is open on the "Add Nodepool Zookeeper" spec until 19:00 UTC, Thursday, March 24 | 19:24 |
jeblair | yay! thanks! | 19:24 |
fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/287373 PROPOSED: Deploy-Stackviz spec (austin81, timothyb89) | 19:25 |
fungi | you have similarly numbered nicks | 19:25 |
timothyb89 | huh, so we do :) | 19:25 |
fungi | it made me double-check to be sure i didn't havea copy-paste error there ;) | 19:26 |
austin81 | Anyone had a chance to review the spec over the last weeks? | 19:26 |
fungi | it looks like AJaeger and pabelanger were the only ones with input so far | 19:26 |
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AJaeger | And I'm still not sure what's the best way to set this up is - at image build time or via puppet | 19:27 |
fungi | you've today added details on puppeting as an alternative | 19:27 |
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clarkb | its puppet that would run at image build time though right? | 19:28 |
fungi | right, it happens during image build regardless | 19:28 |
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AJaeger | Ah, didn't get that one before. | 19:28 |
austin81 | if it happens at build time regardless, what is the benefit of doing puppet over a dib element? | 19:28 |
AJaeger | thanks for asking austin81 ! I just wondered the same... | 19:29 |
pabelanger | clarkb: yup | 19:29 |
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mordred | austin81: for the log server ... | 19:30 |
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mordred | is there a single stackviz on the log server? | 19:30 |
mordred | or does the static site from each run get copied to the run dir on the logs server? | 19:30 |
timothyb89 | mordred: unless we change server configs, there is one per run dir | 19:30 |
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mordred | cool | 19:30 |
fungi | similar things we install into our images at build time are zuul, swift-log-publisher and bindep | 19:30 |
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mordred | then I do not see any need to puppet vs. dib personally | 19:30 |
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fungi | bindep is done in a dib element | 19:31 |
fungi | checking to see whether the other two are | 19:31 |
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fungi | yeah, nodepool-base/install.d/ has 99-install-zuul and 90-venv-swift-logs | 19:32 |
timothyb89 | fungi: the subunit2sql init tasks are also similar to what we want, in a dib element | 19:32 |
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fungi | so consistency would be to do it the way it's written in the specv | 19:32 |
fungi | er, spec | 19:32 |
jeblair | i think we want to minimize and eventually stop using puppet for nodepool nodes | 19:32 |
mordred | timothyb89: does npm have a thing like the virtualenv? | 19:32 |
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timothyb89 | mordred: it largely functions that way by default | 19:32 |
mordred | the other concern is making sure that we don't pollute the images with a ton of stuff that's globally installed | 19:33 |
mordred | awesome | 19:33 |
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mordred | then that should be fine | 19:33 |
austin81 | So if the consensus is dib on this... https://review.openstack.org/279317/ https://review.openstack.org/212207/ are the next things that need approval. | 19:33 |
timothyb89 | mordred: 'npm install' will only touch our own directory | 19:33 |
mordred | cool | 19:33 |
fungi | yeah, i don't see any blockers for putting this up for a council vote. anyone object? | 19:33 |
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anteaya | I do not object | 19:34 |
fungi | #info Council voting is open on the "Stackviz Deployment" spec until 19:00 UTC, Thursday, March 24 | 19:34 |
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fungi | (that appears to be its actual name in the rst) | 19:35 |
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hashar | o/ | 19:35 |
fungi | #topic Priority Efforts | 19:35 |
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fungi | i don't see any last-minute additions for this | 19:35 |
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anteaya | zaro: added something | 19:36 |
fungi | #topic Gerrit tuning - git gc (zaro) | 19:36 |
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anteaya | oh sorry, yeah that | 19:36 |
fungi | that's not a priority effort afaik | 19:36 |
fungi | but adding to the agenda topics | 19:36 |
anteaya | sorry got listed there | 19:36 |
fungi | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-infra/2016-January/003640.html Gerrit tuning - git gc | 19:36 |
fungi | zaro: you had updates on this? | 19:37 |
zaro | ohh yeah | 19:37 |
zaro | just added it to let you guys know that i would like ot share info i've gathered. | 19:37 |
fungi | please share ;) | 19:37 |
zaro | it can be now or outside of this meetig | 19:37 |
anteaya | I'm listening | 19:37 |
zaro | so the link outlines the concern that jeblair had with scheduleing git gc. | 19:38 |
zaro | here's somet of the things i've found: http://paste.openstack.org/show/491498/ | 19:38 |
zaro | line 241 shows jgit gc command run, which give the same result as git gc. | 19:39 |
zaro | line 119 shows files before and after git gc. which seems to reduce file sizes and puts all objects in a single file. i believe the single file is the thing that jeblair had issue with. | 19:40 |
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clarkb | the concern is that may make fetch operations slower | 19:41 |
clarkb | iirc | 19:41 |
zaro | from reading git info i think updating refs (if needed) is still possible using `git-ref-update` or `git-symbolic-ref` | 19:41 |
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fungi | right, the thing i see missing from this research so far is the performance impact on common git remote operations (particularly on packed repos with many refs) | 19:41 |
zaro | clarkb: yeah, that's the other thing. but i don't see how smaller files would make it slower? | 19:41 |
clarkb | zaro: because it is all in one file that must be operated on for every operation | 19:42 |
fungi | zaro: it's a question of fewer files making it slower because git may have to seek within the packfile rather than relying on lookups at teh filesystem level | 19:42 |
clarkb | that ^ but you are right the size diff is large so may do the opposite | 19:42 |
fungi | yep. which is why we were hoping someone would test this | 19:43 |
eil397 | time git fetch ? after git gc ? | 19:43 |
fungi | so anyway, at least the indication so far is that relying on gerrit's background jgit gc task might be no worse than our cgit gc cron job | 19:44 |
clarkb | eil397: git clone, fetch a specific branch, and so on | 19:44 |
fungi | if i'm understanding your assertion, zaro | 19:44 |
zaro | fungi: yeah, that would be my conclusion | 19:44 |
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jeblair | we don't run git gc | 19:44 |
zaro | let me go and test the fetch time on it and see how that works out | 19:45 |
fungi | oh, we run repack | 19:45 |
clarkb | eil397: zaro and use file:// git:// and http | 19:45 |
hashar | IIRC the git .pack files have an index and the file is mmap() ed in memory, so it is rather faster than stat() on a myriad of files | 19:45 |
fungi | find /home/gerrit2/review_site/git/ -type d -name "*.git" -print -exec git --git-dir="{}" repack -afd \; | 19:45 |
fungi | from puppet-gerrit | 19:46 |
hashar | Wikimedia runs the git gc on all Gerrit repo once per week or so | 19:46 |
clarkb | hashar: thats another possible concern, now we have to have 500mb of memroy for every nova git op | 19:46 |
clarkb | its already not cheap so not a huge deal | 19:46 |
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jeblair | clarkb: i'm not following? what's the concern? | 19:47 |
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clarkb | jeblair: if the entire file has to be mapped into memory to fetch a single ref that means the git servers all of a sudden need more memory | 19:48 |
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jeblair | clarkb: ah, i don't think a memmapped file takes up that amount of memory; the opposite in fact | 19:49 |
clarkb | but nova and neutron have always been hard on memory so not sure f there will be an appreciable difference | 19:49 |
fungi | there are ways to optimize that with separate addressing/indexing, but i have no idea if cgit does that | 19:49 |
jeblair | clarkb: it usually means you only need to load the pages you access into memory | 19:49 |
hashar | clarkb: na the pack file has an index. So you map the index, then lookup the part of files that contains what you need an map that solely that part | 19:49 |
fungi | sounds like it does | 19:49 |
clarkb | ya looks like 660mb ish for a current git process | 19:50 |
hashar | all based on X years memory really. Would have to dig again in git pack source code | 19:50 |
clarkb | resident | 19:50 |
fungi | okay, anything else on this topic? we wanted to see a comparison to the actual git repack we're doing in cron now, yes? | 19:51 |
eil397 | I've heard about way to accelarate clone by using git bundle. not sure. will it be good for infra. just fyi | 19:51 |
fungi | and also tests on impact to remote git operations? | 19:51 |
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clarkb | hashar: ah ok, not sure why git needs so much memory today then | 19:51 |
eil397 | https://www.kernel.org/cloning-linux-from-a-bundle.html | 19:51 |
clarkb | hashar: possibly this will be cheaper than current situation | 19:51 |
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zaro | fungi: got it. will will | 19:52 |
fungi | we're at 8 minutes, still 2 topics on the agenda, at least one of which may need to get pushed out to next week | 19:52 |
fungi | #topic IRC Bots (anteaya) | 19:53 |
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anteaya | thanks | 19:53 |
anteaya | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-March/089509.html | 19:53 |
cdent | I'm here | 19:53 |
anteaya | so this email thread is indicative of a trend | 19:53 |
anteaya | cdent: thanks for being here | 19:53 |
anteaya | cdent wrote an irc bot | 19:53 |
anteaya | there are also other irc bots | 19:53 |
anteaya | as well, I think I may have narrowed the topic too much | 19:53 |
anteaya | as tehre are also gerrit bots folks are running | 19:54 |
AJaeger | notmyname has the patchbot that is used in some repos | 19:54 |
anteaya | so I thought we might be able to disuss some of the thoughts folks have | 19:54 |
anteaya | AJaeger: yes that is one of the other irc bots | 19:54 |
anteaya | as a for instance, for gerrit bots, I don't feel a bot having +2 and +A on a repo is a good idea | 19:54 |
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anteaya | also for meeting channels jeblair had asked that folks add bots out our infra config files if they want bots | 19:55 |
anteaya | so sorry to already not follow my own topic | 19:55 |
anteaya | does anyone else have thoughts? | 19:55 |
fungi | we don't have a lot of control over whether people run irc bots in the channels we manage, though we do generally frown on unsanctioned bots echoing in channels shared by multiple teams | 19:55 |
mordred | I think the main concern with other bots is that when people start depending on them | 19:55 |
mordred | they then come and ask infra for help when they break | 19:56 |
fungi | or in channels used by teams who don't want those bots echoing in the channels they inhabit | 19:56 |
clarkb | I personally set up a smartfilter for anything I don't want to see and move on ... | 19:56 |
pleia2 | mordred: yeah | 19:56 |
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mordred | tons of people depended on a bot that soren ran for a while | 19:56 |
mordred | then soren stopped caring | 19:56 |
hashar | scale bot maintenance beyond infra team? | 19:56 |
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mordred | hashar: well, we have subteams in infra for the purposes of scaling tasks and stuff | 19:56 |
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mordred | so there is no reason there could not be a bot subteam | 19:56 |
fungi | it's mostly 1. noise factor, and 2. assuming maintenance for services on which a large portion of the community depends | 19:57 |
mordred | yah | 19:57 |
mordred | it's also possible that we need to do better advertisement of the features of the bots we already run | 19:57 |
angdraug | can (2) be solved by listing bot owners in its whois data? | 19:57 |
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pleia2 | angdraug: using the launchpad bot as an example, we all knew who ran it, but when they lost interest it was still difficult to contac them and get changes made | 19:58 |
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ttx | yeah, results in a brittle env | 19:58 |
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pleia2 | ttx: nods | 19:58 |
cdent | In the specific case of purplerbot, I'm happy to see it run on infra | 19:58 |
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cdent | I've packaged it and put it on pypi | 19:58 |
mordred | for instance: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/%23openstack-nova/latest.log.html#t2016-03-22T19:44:30 is the per-line url link from the channel logs produced by the bot we run, and http://p.anticdent.org/logs/openstack-nova?dated=2016-03-22%2019:44:30#l8A is the link to the same thing from cdent's bot | 19:58 |
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jeblair | dead irc server, irony of ironies :) | 19:59 |
ttx | you end up depending on something, and since you don't want overlapping functions, that featureset never ends up in the canonical bot | 19:59 |
fungi | anteaya: so we're at 1 minute remaining. did you have a specific action or decision you were looking to come out of this? | 19:59 |
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cdent | mordred: the log in purplerbot is ancillary to its real purpose | 19:59 |
anteaya | fungi: I just wanted to see if folks wanted to discuss | 19:59 |
anteaya | looks like they do | 19:59 |
jeblair | also, i have looked into errbot, but the way forward is not completely clear; happy to follow up with others if they are interested | 19:59 |
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anteaya | we can continue later, thank you | 19:59 |
hashar | Wikimedia is a wide range of irc bots; Most are hosted on a shared tenant for people to act on them as needed and most are documented on a wiki with basic restart/maintenance procedure. With bot code in Gerrit/Github | 19:59 |
angdraug | had a problem last week, someone launched a broken bot on #fuel-dev, had to ban it... | 19:59 |
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fungi | igorbelikov: looks like we'll hit your topic at the beginning of our general topics section next week. sorry we ran out of time for the full agenda | 20:00 |
fungi | okay, we're out of time everyone | 20:00 |
fungi | thanks! | 20:00 |
hashar | so if JohnDoe bot dies, I can head to the wiki page, copy paste the command to restart it and hopefully it is back ;-} Even if I have no root on the infra | 20:00 |
anteaya | thankyou | 20:00 |
fungi | #endmeeting | 20:00 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Tue Mar 22 20:00:20 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:00 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2016/infra.2016-03-22-19.02.html | 20:00 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2016/infra.2016-03-22-19.02.txt | 20:00 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2016/infra.2016-03-22-19.02.log.html | 20:00 |
ttx | o/ | 20:00 |
hashar | poke me about irc bots if interested ;-) | 20:00 |
russellb | hi | 20:00 |
claudiub | o/ | 20:00 |
mriedem | o/ | 20:00 |
thingee | \o/ | 20:00 |
dougwig | o/ | 20:00 |
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ttx | mestery, annegentle, lifeless, mordred, flaper87, dtroyer, markmcclain, jeblair, jaypipes, sdague, dhellmann: around ? | 20:01 |
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dtroyer | o/ | 20:01 |
mestery | o/ | 20:01 |
mordred | o/ | 20:01 |
markmcclain | o/ | 20:01 |
annegentle | o/ | 20:01 |
sdague | o/ | 20:01 |
ttx | #startmeeting tc | 20:01 |
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ociuhandu | o/ | 20:01 |
openstack | Meeting started Tue Mar 22 20:01:23 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ttx. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:01 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:01 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tc' | 20:01 |
alexandrelevine | o/ | 20:01 |
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jaypipes | o/ | 20:01 |
ttx | Hi everyone! | 20:01 |
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ttx | Our agenda for today: | 20:01 |
ttx | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TechnicalCommittee | 20:01 |
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mriedem | o/ | 20:01 |
ttx | #topic Appointing missing PTLs for Newton | 20:01 |
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ttx | We have a number of project teams that failed to present candidates for PTL election | 20:02 |
ttx | For those we have to pick a PTL (or make the team unofficial) | 20:02 |
ttx | There was a ML thread covering it: | 20:02 |
ttx | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-March/089908.html | 20:02 |
ttx | * EC2-API | 20:02 |
ttx | For this one we have a late candidate (the current PTL), Alex Levine | 20:02 |
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alexandrelevine | I'm here if you need to ask me something | 20:02 |
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ttx | This team is new (been created February 2), so I'm ready to cut them some slack. It's their first election | 20:03 |
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russellb | +1 for some slack. | 20:03 |
mordred | ++ | 20:03 |
jeblair | wfm | 20:03 |
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ttx | we might need to be clearer with new teamls that there will be reelections with everyone else | 20:03 |
annegentle | yeah | 20:03 |
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ttx | even if that mleans doing an election one month after they are created | 20:03 |
annegentle | ah that might work | 20:04 |
mestery | +1 for slack | 20:04 |
fungi | i hope that once the election info is getting auto-published to governance.o.o soon we'll be able to link from the ptg to current election schedules as well | 20:04 |
thingee | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-March/089939.html late ec2-api ptl self-nomination | 20:04 |
ttx | Any objection to selecting alexandrelevine as EC2API ptl for Newton ? | 20:04 |
lifeless | o/ | 20:04 |
lifeless | none here | 20:04 |
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claudiub | none | 20:05 |
ttx | I'll formally propose it in a change anyway | 20:05 |
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ttx | so we'll have a normal vote on that by next week. I'll assume it's OK if we reach 7 votes though | 20:05 |
ttx | since we discussed it today | 20:05 |
ttx | #action ttx to put up a change proposing alexandrelevine as EC2API ptl | 20:05 |
ttx | * Stable Branch Maintenance | 20:05 |
mriedem | o/ | 20:05 |
ttx | This one is more of a governance corner case, with the current PTL candidating for another PTLship | 20:06 |
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ttx | and a volunteer replacement blocked by election officializing duties | 20:06 |
ttx | I think in this case the governance is working as intended by giving us the ability to fix the corner case | 20:06 |
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ttx | I'm +1 on giving tonyb the role | 20:06 |
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mordred | ++ | 20:06 |
dtroyer | ++ | 20:06 |
mriedem | +1 | 20:06 |
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sdague | +1 | 20:06 |
russellb | wfm | 20:06 |
ttx | unless mriedem has second thought on being Nova PTL | 20:06 |
lifeless | ++ | 20:06 |
mestery | +1 | 20:06 |
ttx | it's not TOO LATE | 20:06 |
mordred | mriedem: now's your chance | 20:06 |
mriedem | oh god | 20:06 |
david-lyle | run | 20:06 |
russellb | mriedem: run | 20:06 |
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ttx | run while you can | 20:06 |
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dougwig | haha | 20:06 |
mestery | lol | 20:07 |
jeblair | the current ptl is the only nova candidate? | 20:07 |
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annegentle | ha | 20:07 |
russellb | i mean, thanks for taking on such an important role! you'll do great :) | 20:07 |
sdague | jeblair: yes | 20:07 |
mestery | jeblair: Yes, that's the case | 20:07 |
ttx | #action ttx to put up a change proposing tonyb as stable PTL | 20:07 |
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fungi | he'd pretty much have to abdicate at this point | 20:07 |
mestery | mordred: Ooooo, fancy gifts! | 20:07 |
ttx | * Winstackers | 20:07 |
ttx | This is another relatively young team, added this cycle... so also their first election | 20:07 |
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ttx | We have a late volunteer, the original PTL for the team. The team seems active enough. | 20:08 |
jeblair | so that's going to happen, leaving tonyb as the only potential candidate we know of for stable ptl; so yeah, i think the corner case is not troubling and tonyb sounds good | 20:08 |
thingee | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-March/090111.html late winstackers ptl self-nomination | 20:08 |
claudiub | hello, i'm here, if there's any questions | 20:08 |
claudiub | and I'm sorry for being late | 20:08 |
russellb | +1 on that one, too,. | 20:08 |
sdague | +1 | 20:08 |
ttx | So again I don't think that is uncovering a deeper issue -- that team sounds mostly functional to me | 20:09 |
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annegentle | no worries claudiub | 20:09 |
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jeblair | ++ | 20:09 |
ttx | so +1 on claudiub from me | 20:09 |
lifeless | ++ | 20:09 |
mestery | +1 for claudiub from me as well | 20:09 |
claudiub | thanks folks, I'll definetely be more careful next time. :) | 20:09 |
ttx | #action ttx to put up a change proposing claudiub as winstackers ptl | 20:09 |
ttx | I'll approve those 3 changes if they reach 7 votes, so that it's more formal | 20:10 |
thingee | ttx: I have posted several reviews to hopefully help the election to be more known when applying a new project http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-March/090091.html | 20:10 |
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ttx | thingee: yes, thank you for those | 20:10 |
ttx | we'll cover them next week likely | 20:10 |
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ttx | #topic Cross-project workshops at the Newton Design Summit in Austin | 20:11 |
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ttx | It's time to start thinking about how we plan to organize the cross-project workshop day at the Austin Design Summit | 20:11 |
ttx | Happens all day Tuesday, with the Ops day separated and happening on the Monday | 20:11 |
ttx | no more conflicts | 20:11 |
anteaya | good, thank you | 20:11 |
ttx | As a result it will be the only thing running on Design Summit grounds on the Tuesday | 20:11 |
jroll | \o/ | 20:11 |
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ttx | which gives us a lot of flexibility on the number of parallel rooms we want to run (or the shape of the rooms). | 20:11 |
ttx | In Tokyo we did 3 parallel rooms (21 * 40-min slots) | 20:12 |
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ttx | Should we do that again ? More parallel rooms ? Less parallel rooms ? Longer sessions ? | 20:12 |
sdague | it might be worth waiting to see what the content looks like that gets proposed | 20:12 |
ttx | I want to have a session on the new separated event | 20:12 |
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ttx | sdague: that sounds fine, we can decide quite late how many rooms we actually want | 20:13 |
jeblair | i don't think we want too much parallelism; we were already missing people we expected with 3 tracks :) | 20:13 |
anteaya | on the Tuesday, I had figured you would do that on the Friday | 20:13 |
sdague | I think last time we barely had enough solid content for 3 tracks | 20:13 |
rockyg | jeblair, ++ | 20:13 |
ttx | jeblair: we can have times where we have only one and times when we have 3 parallel | 20:13 |
jeblair | ttx, sdague: ++ | 20:13 |
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ttx | so it looks like we should start the topic collection process | 20:14 |
ttx | and then decide how to schedule | 20:14 |
anteaya | I don't think there should be any competition for you new event session | 20:14 |
ttx | sounds good to me | 20:14 |
sdague | so I would mostly just let the suggestions role in on the topics, and we can be flexible based on it | 20:14 |
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ttx | topic collection -- what should we use ? | 20:14 |
annegentle | and not have conflicts unless needed | 20:14 |
mriedem | to clarify, this is like nova/cinder and nova/neutron sessions on tuesday? | 20:14 |
mriedem | b/c we have cross-project stuff to cover | 20:15 |
ttx | good old etherpad ? Google form and then copy to etherpad ? | 20:15 |
ttx | mriedem: no | 20:15 |
anteaya | ttx: your old app didn't work last time? | 20:15 |
ttx | mriedem: ideally those are affecting most projects, rather than 2 or | 20:15 |
annegentle | mriedem: more like "quotas everywhere" "logging everywhere" right? | 20:15 |
jeblair | good old summit app? :) | 20:15 |
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sdague | I vote we start in etherpad if we are going to end up there | 20:15 |
ttx | oh, good old summit app | 20:15 |
sdague | -2 for summit app | 20:15 |
mriedem | annegentle: ok, real cross-project | 20:15 |
sdague | that was a giant pain to sync data | 20:15 |
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sdague | and stuff got lost | 20:16 |
fungi | (not that etherpad doesn't sometimes lose data on its own, but yeah) | 20:16 |
jeblair | sdague: sync from what to what? | 20:16 |
anteaya | sdague: oh, I didn't know stuff got lost | 20:16 |
mriedem | s/cross-project/cross-openstack/ | 20:16 |
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ttx | yeah maybe etherpad for data collection and then we can move to other more structured docs to vote / select | 20:16 |
sdague | because there were some things in the etherpad and some in the summit app | 20:16 |
sdague | it was a giant mess | 20:16 |
jeblair | sdague: i think that's cause we switched halfway through | 20:16 |
sdague | only one tool please | 20:17 |
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thingee | ttx: was going to post something to the list and later bring in the cross-project meeting next week. | 20:17 |
jeblair | i can agree with that | 20:17 |
ttx | so... etherpad ? | 20:17 |
thingee | etherpad seems fine tho | 20:17 |
sdague | ttx: ++ etherpad | 20:17 |
markmcclain | etherpad | 20:17 |
ttx | consistent with what most others are using | 20:17 |
ttx | etherpad in previous editions remained mostly readable until we started to vote and people spammed it | 20:18 |
jeblair | what's wrong with the summit app for this? | 20:18 |
ttx | jeblair: can't vote there ? | 20:18 |
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ttx | so you need to copy the submissions to discuss them ? | 20:18 |
sdague | right, we'll end up with an etherpad to work the data to completion | 20:18 |
anteaya | I thought folks could leave comments | 20:18 |
ttx | (the comments suck since I wrote that app) | 20:18 |
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ttx | (and people can tell I hate web dev after 2 seconds of using the app) | 20:19 |
mordred | ttx: I just assume you hate everything | 20:19 |
ttx | mordred: I hate CSS and JS more | 20:19 |
annegentle | ha self deprecation is the best deprecation | 20:19 |
ttx | Well, I hate PHP the most, but it's not using PHP | 20:19 |
jeblair | yeah, i mean, i like the structured data and comments we get with the app. | 20:19 |
jeblair | i'm fine with etherpad | 20:20 |
rockyg | annegentle, I thought spaghetti code depracation was the best depracation | 20:20 |
jeblair | it just seems like the app, when used well, handles this kind of data in the quantity we throw at it for the cross-project sessions the best | 20:20 |
sdake | o/ :) | 20:20 |
annegentle | :) | 20:20 |
sdake | apologies for being late | 20:20 |
ttx | jeblair: there weren't that many submissions last time | 20:20 |
jeblair | my brain was not large enough to hold all 21 sessions in my head, and i had to make my own external index | 20:21 |
ttx | it felt like an etherpad would have handled it well enough, and yes we did copy everything to etherpad manually to handle the last stage of selection | 20:21 |
sdague | right, I think we have a pretty known workflow with etherpad, most projects are using it for planning. | 20:21 |
thingee | sdague: +1 | 20:21 |
ttx | sdague: do you want to start the doc and write the email about it ? | 20:21 |
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sdague | ttx: sure, can do | 20:21 |
jeblair | ttx: that's what i'm trying to get at | 20:22 |
jeblair | why did we copy to the etherpad at the end? | 20:22 |
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ttx | jeblair: because it's just hard to have a discussion with the comments, and even harder to place votes | 20:22 |
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ttx | a line of +1s on an etherpad is easier to read than pages of +1 comments | 20:23 |
ttx | and then we can reorder etherpad, move things | 20:23 |
sdague | I feel like we need to move on from this, we decided what we are using, it's what actually works for the sifting phase | 20:23 |
jeblair | sdague: yes sir! | 20:23 |
ttx | #action sdague to start the doc and write the email about it | 20:23 |
jeblair | i will just try to be smarter in the future | 20:23 |
ttx | leadership! No need for zing | 20:23 |
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ttx | #topic assert*upgrade tags cleanup | 20:24 |
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ttx | We started the discussion on that last week | 20:24 |
ttx | * Remove rolling-upgrade tag from swift/ceilometer (https://review.openstack.org/292334) | 20:24 |
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ttx | This one is about removing the rolling-upgrade tag from swift/ceilometer, since the tag requires the rolling upgrade to actually be tested in the gate | 20:24 |
ttx | 4 yes, wouldn't mind another 3 | 20:25 |
ttx | since it's likely to draw complaints if we fasttrack it | 20:25 |
ttx | or if we lazyconsensus it | 20:25 |
lifeless | will add votes later, have a dr appt nowish thoough | 20:26 |
gordc | fwiw, cool with me on ceilometer | 20:26 |
ttx | lifeless: ack, thanks for attending some | 20:26 |
lifeless | Will be +1 from me | 20:26 |
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ttx | ok, we have 7 (8 counting lifeless), so I'm ready to aprove | 20:27 |
ttx | or approve | 20:27 |
ttx | comments, objections ? | 20:27 |
ttx | ok, approving now | 20:28 |
annegentle | so did you hear from notmyname ttx? | 20:28 |
ttx | no, cced him on the review | 20:28 |
* notmyname is in a meeting with lawyers. I only just saw this right now when I saw the "swift" ping in IRC | 20:28 | |
jeblair | ttx: a lot of people don't see that | 20:28 |
notmyname | sorry, I didn't see the cc | 20:28 |
jeblair | ttx: i am added to thousands of reviews; i never see that. | 20:29 |
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ttx | removing the tag doesn't mean swift doesn't support rolling upgrades, it means that swift doesn't test it at the gate | 20:29 |
fungi | i actually filter them into a bitbucket i get so many | 20:29 |
notmyname | I have strong feelings on this, but I can't reply now. will have to be after my current meeting | 20:29 |
ttx | I'm find waiting until next week to give you a chance to object | 20:29 |
ttx | fine* | 20:29 |
annegentle | yeah I think that's fine | 20:29 |
ttx | no hurry | 20:30 |
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ttx | #info decision delayed until next week to give notmyname a chance to object | 20:30 |
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ttx | * Add testing requirement to assert:supports-upgrade tag (https://review.openstack.org/292918) | 20:30 |
ttx | This one is to add a requirement to actually test the basic upgrade in the gate | 20:30 |
ttx | which will also mean removing it from aodh and gnocchi since they have no grenade-like test | 20:31 |
ttx | I think this one is fair game | 20:31 |
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gordc | yep | 20:31 |
ttx | one vote short | 20:32 |
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dansmith | ttx: tag author gets an honorary vote right? :P | 20:32 |
ttx | we have gordc +1 and I think adding grenade-like testing to aodh/gnocchi would be an awesome addition | 20:32 |
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ttx | ok, approving now | 20:33 |
ttx | dansmith: no you get the right to be consulted every time someone complains about the tag being wrongly applied | 20:33 |
dansmith | oh boy | 20:33 |
mriedem | yeah... | 20:33 |
ttx | mriedem knows something about that | 20:33 |
mriedem | i did see someone trying to justify that tag on their project b/c they run db schema migrations in dsvm setup | 20:33 |
mriedem | which is a bit bogus | 20:33 |
ttx | approved | 20:34 |
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ttx | #topic Call out GPL style licenses in testing/validation. | 20:34 |
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ttx | #link https://review.openstack.org/293140 | 20:34 |
ttx | lifeless proposed a clarification around GPL licensing and test dependencies. | 20:34 |
ttx | I think the clarification looks good, but ideally we would not mention static names there | 20:34 |
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ttx | (and just let requirements-core be aware of who is the licensing resident expert of the day and involve them in the discussion) | 20:34 |
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ttx | but I'm fine approvign that and proposing the name removal as a second step | 20:34 |
lifeless | n for "hey, go through all the prompts again?" I'm | 20:35 |
lifeless | pondering --hard, --force, --reset | 20:35 |
lifeless | 05:36 < krotscheck> betherly: ^^ Any thoughts? | 20:35 |
lifeless | bah | 20:35 |
lifeless | ttx: we can update it as the names change | 20:35 |
lifeless | ttx: but I see no reason to *enforce* tribal knowledge | 20:35 |
jeblair | including names seems weird | 20:35 |
ttx | lifeless: in the end it's requirements-core making the call -- they should know who to ask | 20:35 |
ttx | not sure we need to codify that list in governance basically | 20:36 |
jeblair | names may be a better fit in requirements README or something | 20:36 |
jeblair | if we feel we need to write them down somewhere | 20:36 |
ttx | yep, sounds good in requirements README | 20:36 |
lifeless | sure | 20:36 |
ttx | we probably need to update that anyway | 20:36 |
ttx | since it has some licensing guidelines and that or may not be compatible with the clarified ones | 20:36 |
ttx | lifeless: if you remove the names, I'll do the requirements README update proposal | 20:37 |
lifeless | k | 20:37 |
lifeless | will do this afternoon | 20:37 |
jeblair | ttx: i did update requirements with this: https://review.openstack.org/279998 | 20:37 |
ttx | OK, I propose to approve that during the week if it reaches 7+ votes in favor | 20:37 |
ttx | Nice! | 20:38 |
ttx | I'll just have to add the names then | 20:38 |
ttx | "if you have doubts over licensing, like for example a GPL test dep, you can ask the following folks" | 20:38 |
ttx | #action ttx to propose a "licensing experts" addition to requirements README | 20:39 |
ttx | #topic Add threat analysis for vulnerability:managed | 20:39 |
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ttx | #link https://review.openstack.org/294212 | 20:39 |
ttx | sdake proposed to slightly modify the wording of the vulnerability:managed requirement around third-party securiity review | 20:39 |
ttx | fungi did approve it, which in my book counts as an approval from the VMT on the new wording | 20:39 |
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ttx | It's still technically a tag definition change, so we'll need a formal vote | 20:40 |
fungi | yeah, didn't bother me | 20:40 |
ttx | (i.e. at least 7 votes in favor) | 20:40 |
fungi | it was expanding an already subjective list of terms | 20:40 |
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ttx | fungi: do you know what sdake has in his mind for adding that ? | 20:40 |
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ttx | oh, commit message is pretty clear | 20:41 |
fungi | ttx: also there was an ml thread | 20:41 |
sdake | ttx what do yu mean? | 20:41 |
ttx | sdake: missed the rationale for the change, but now I read it | 20:41 |
sdake | so a threat analysis is a thing the security guys do to cut down their workload on an audit | 20:41 |
sdake | an audit includes auditing dependencies and whatnot for problems | 20:41 |
sdake | red hat had an audit tema of 40 people | 20:42 |
sdake | i tried to get red hat to uadit kolla but they told me to pound sand | 20:42 |
ttx | don't want to call an audit what is really a threat analysis. Makes sense | 20:42 |
sdake | but it has to be third party | 20:42 |
sdake | so i can't get an audit | 20:42 |
fungi | the issue was mainly that some people had a much more specific interpretation of the terms in that description than the author (me) did when writing it | 20:42 |
sdake | but i can get a TA | 20:42 |
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ttx | alright, we have enough votes, I'll approve now | 20:42 |
sdake | thanks folks :) | 20:42 |
ttx | Thanks sdake for clarifying | 20:42 |
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jeblair | in the meeting, it was noted that we probably don't actually have audits for existing vuln-managed projects... | 20:43 |
sdake | jeblair that is correct | 20:43 |
ttx | jeblair: it's a bit grandfathered in yes | 20:43 |
jeblair | security by precedent :) | 20:43 |
ttx | wouldn't hurt to do a refresh tour :) | 20:43 |
fungi | yes, still on the to-do list for the vmt is to evaluate existing covered projects to see if any need to be removed from support or shored up in some way | 20:43 |
jeblair | but seriously -- are we intentionally raising the bar for new projects to try to keep workload manageable? | 20:44 |
ttx | moving on | 20:44 |
jeblair | or what fungi said :) | 20:44 |
ttx | err | 20:44 |
sdake | jeblair you mean lowering the bar - ta = bar lowering | 20:44 |
ttx | I think ultimately the same rules will apply to everyone, it's just a manpower thing | 20:44 |
fungi | sdake: i think he meant as opposed to holding existing projects to the same criteria we're requiring of new projects | 20:44 |
ttx | at this stage it's mostly about not adding undue burden | 20:44 |
jeblair | sdake: point taken, but what i really meant was that we have set the bar higher for new projects than for existing ones | 20:45 |
sdake | fungi oh got it | 20:45 |
sdake | jeblair ya that sucks | 20:45 |
jeblair | is that intentional or is it just debt we need to pay off on the old projects | 20:45 |
sdake | but it is what it is | 20:45 |
fungi | absolutely debt | 20:45 |
ttx | jeblair: it's not the only one. See activity requirement vs. the Packaging-deb project team | 20:45 |
lifeless | ok, I gotta go, sorry. | 20:45 |
ttx | lifeless: we are mostly done. Thanks | 20:45 |
jeblair | fungi: cool, good to know. | 20:45 |
jeblair | i think that answers my question | 20:45 |
sdake | thanks tc for your time on that change - tthat will be super helpful for new projects ;) | 20:46 |
jeblair | ttx: thanks for humoring me and not moving on. | 20:46 |
ttx | jeblair: we should use slack so that I can edit my stupid "moving on"s | 20:46 |
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jeblair | ttx: let's move on. :) | 20:46 |
ttx | #topic Change mission statement by recent change | 20:46 |
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ttx | I failed at trollbaiting | 20:46 |
russellb | ttx: you should totally propose that | 20:47 |
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ttx | you guys ain't fun | 20:47 |
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ttx | #link https://review.openstack.org/292610 | 20:47 |
* mordred hands ttx a box full of "fun" | 20:47 | |
ttx | This change proposes we align the mission in governance with the proposed mission from our recent resolution | 20:47 |
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ttx | This is slightly ahead of the game, since we'd like the board to approve the mission statement change first | 20:47 |
ttx | As such I propose we defer this one and come back to it once the board decided | 20:47 |
ttx | Which should hopefully happen next week, russellb ? | 20:47 |
russellb | hopefully, yes | 20:47 |
russellb | i asked for it to be on the agenda | 20:48 |
ttx | well, if not, we can reevaluate our options | 20:48 |
russellb | if the board can't agree to this, then ... | 20:48 |
russellb | yes. | 20:48 |
jeblair | it's scheduled for 11:00! | 20:48 |
ttx | or rather the newton TC members will reevaluate options | 20:48 |
russellb | who has to approve this is a bit of a gray area anyway, isn't it? | 20:48 |
ttx | 11/00... PST ? | 20:48 |
ttx | russellb: yes, not defined in governance | 20:48 |
jeblair | pdt i'd imagine | 20:49 |
ttx | which is why it's simpler if we just all agree | 20:49 |
* fungi can't remember if lake tahoe is pdt or mdt | 20:49 | |
russellb | ttx: yep | 20:49 |
russellb | well let's see what happens next week | 20:49 |
ttx | ok, so deferring until we hear back from the board meeting | 20:49 |
jeblair | fungi: it's p*t; m*t is the nevada/utah border | 20:49 |
ttx | #info deferring this one until we hear back from the board meeting | 20:49 |
ttx | #topic Open discussion | 20:50 |
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anteaya | o/ | 20:50 |
ttx | anteaya: yes? | 20:50 |
anteaya | will there be a tc/board meeting the sunday before summit? | 20:50 |
fungi | oh, right, lake tahoe is in california. i keep thinking it's further east | 20:50 |
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russellb | anteaya: yes | 20:50 |
jeblair | fungi: most of it. some of it is in nevada. | 20:50 |
ttx | russellb: do you know when ? Sunday ? | 20:50 |
anteaya | russellb: do we have any details, like time or location yet? | 20:51 |
russellb | Joint TC/UC/Board April 24, 2:30pm - 5:30pm | 20:51 |
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ttx | ok | 20:51 |
anteaya | thank you | 20:51 |
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bswartz | Does the TC have an initiative to drive all the projects towards py3 compatibility? I mean actually running functional tests on py3? | 20:51 |
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ttx | #info Joint TC/UC/Board April 24, 2:30pm - 5:30pm | 20:51 |
russellb | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/Foundation/24Apr2016BoardMeeting | 20:51 |
ttx | bswartz: we declared to support that effort, but haven't applied any coercion yet | 20:52 |
ttx | I had one quick topic for open discussion | 20:52 |
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ttx | Design summit session moderator advice video | 20:52 |
anteaya | location: JW Marriott | 20:52 |
ttx | With the big tent we have a lot of teams at the Design Summit, and sometimes the people moderating the session there have no idea what they are running into | 20:52 |
ttx | Some of them might come to Design Summit 101 on Tuesday, but this is mostly geared toward new attendees, not moderators | 20:52 |
ttx | So there was this idea to host a video panel / hangout / webinar with a few design summit old-timers | 20:52 |
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ttx | that would result in a video that we could send to newish session moderators and PTLs | 20:53 |
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ttx | Who would be interested in participating in that ? | 20:53 |
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ttx | I think sdague could be interested but he had to run | 20:53 |
anteaya | when are you creating the video? | 20:53 |
ttx | That would likely be setup as Hangouts on Air (like the bootstrapping hour) so that the video gets automatically posted | 20:53 |
ttx | sometimes over the next two weeks | 20:53 |
anteaya | thanks | 20:53 |
rockyg | ttx: great idea. | 20:53 |
jroll | russellb: should that be 9-5 central time, not pacific? (wiki says pacific) | 20:54 |
claudiub | o/ | 20:54 |
ttx | My video editing skills are about as bad as my web dev skillz, so be perfect | 20:54 |
russellb | jroll: probably. | 20:54 |
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jroll | heh. k. | 20:54 |
fungi | i'm terrible at moderating sessions, so mostly interested to see what others come up with in this area ;) | 20:54 |
annegentle | heh old-timers | 20:54 |
ttx | I'll kick off a thread on openstack-tc to recruit, and if we don't have enough candidates I'll extend to long-time PTLs | 20:54 |
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anteaya | ttx: I can participate if you want me to | 20:54 |
ttx | annegentle: people that have seen a lot of design summits, I guess | 20:55 |
ttx | annegentle: I know one names Anne | 20:55 |
ttx | named* | 20:55 |
annegentle | ttx: :) | 20:55 |
edleafe | ttx: I would be happy to help with this | 20:55 |
ttx | And another named Ed | 20:55 |
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ttx | alright, I'll move that to a thread on -tc and ccing external people who expressed interest like Ed | 20:56 |
annegentle | I can help but have to have a think (I don't often have controversy to tame) | 20:56 |
annegentle | honestly please please introduce yourself and don't assume everyone knows everyone would be my first tip :) | 20:56 |
rockyg | put anteaya and rockyg on the cc list if you would, please | 20:57 |
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ttx | #action ttx to start a ML thread on -tc about the video, adding edleafe, rockyg and anteaya to the cc. | 20:57 |
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ttx | Note that we'll likely keep the group relatively small so that the video doesn't end up being 30 min of mandatory watching | 20:58 |
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ttx | Or maybe we could all come up with a short 30sec advice and then record them all | 20:58 |
fungi | the microphone is there for reminding people briefly at the start of the session that they should move to te front of the room... then you can turn it off ;) | 20:58 |
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ttx | making sure there are no duplicates | 20:59 |
thingee | I did add the open discussion agenda of how we want to deal with stale specs http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-March/089115.html | 20:59 |
edleafe | fungi: heh | 20:59 |
* rockyg hands fungi a microphone | 20:59 | |
thingee | we can talk about it next week tho | 20:59 |
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thingee | since there is a minute left | 20:59 |
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ttx | oh, missed that. Recent addition ? | 20:59 |
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thingee | ttx: yeah sorry | 20:59 |
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fungi | it's not rude to tell people who aren't there to participate in the discussion/work that they should go somewhere else | 20:59 |
ttx | yeah, next week I guess | 20:59 |
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ttx | Last words, anyone ? | 21:00 |
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thingee | food | 21:00 |
ttx | Vote for the PTL elections if you still haven't! | 21:00 |
ttx | #endmeeting | 21:00 |
ttx | Thanks everyone | 21:00 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Tue Mar 22 21:00:45 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:00 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2016/tc.2016-03-22-20.01.html | 21:00 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2016/tc.2016-03-22-20.01.txt | 21:00 |
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openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2016/tc.2016-03-22-20.01.log.html | 21:00 |
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thingee | cross-project meeting is skipped, but see stuff that will probably be discussed next week http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-March/090152.html | 21:01 |
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