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| aspiers | morning | 09:01 |
| _gryf | morning | 09:01 |
| haukebruno | hi everyone \o/ | 09:01 |
| aspiers | hi | 09:02 |
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| aspiers | #startmeeting ha | 09:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Mar 14 09:02:22 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is aspiers. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 09:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 09:02 |
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| aspiers | alright | 09:02 |
| kazuIchikawa | hi | 09:02 |
| aspiers | hi kazuIchikawa :) | 09:02 |
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| aspiers | #topic Current status (progress, issues, roadblocks, further plans) | 09:03 |
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| aspiers | not too much to report from my side | 09:03 |
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| kazuIchikawa | masa and samP skip this meeting, I will talk on behalf of them too. | 09:04 |
| aspiers | but thanks to collaboration with Norbert Illes we are now very close to having all CI pass on openstack-resource-agents | 09:04 |
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| aspiers | you can see the reviews on gerrit | 09:04 |
| aspiers | when that's done, I will introduce automated CI | 09:04 |
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| aspiers | at the moment we still have to run manually via tox | 09:04 |
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| aspiers | I've also been working on the neutron-ha-tool OCF RA, but I guess noone outside SUSE uses that | 09:05 |
| aspiers | so I won't go into details here | 09:05 |
| aspiers | feel free to ask me about it later if you are curious | 09:05 |
| aspiers | #info openstack-resource-agent tox is now very close to passing all tests | 09:06 |
| aspiers | haukebruno: anything you want to report? | 09:06 |
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| haukebruno | sadly not :/ | 09:06 |
| aspiers | no problem :) | 09:06 |
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| aspiers | _gryf: ? | 09:06 |
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| _gryf | ddeja is not here today, he is taking trainig couple hours long today | 09:06 |
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| aspiers | ok | 09:06 |
| _gryf | he was working on the preparation of the mistral demo | 09:07 |
| _gryf | however wasn't finished yet. due to other important activities | 09:07 |
| aspiers | ok | 09:08 |
| aspiers | would be cool to show that in Austin | 09:08 |
| _gryf | :) | 09:08 |
| aspiers | anything else? | 09:08 |
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| _gryf | aspiers, I thought, the plan was to show it live ;) | 09:09 |
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| aspiers | yes, it is :) | 09:09 |
| _gryf | so for that part, I think we are set | 09:09 |
| aspiers | great! | 09:10 |
| aspiers | kazuIchikawa: anything from your side to report? | 09:10 |
| kazuIchikawa | yes. | 09:10 |
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| kazuIchikawa | we almost complete the task to support CentOS compute node, https://github.com/ntt-sic/masakari/pull/21 | 09:11 |
| kazuIchikawa | for masakari. | 09:11 |
| kazuIchikawa | So far, it was officially only on ubuntu, but we modified and tested on CentOS as well. | 09:11 |
| aspiers | cool | 09:12 |
| aspiers | #info masakari is almost ready for use on CentOS | 09:12 |
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| kazuIchikawa | ya, that's something we were oftenly asked some members in community. | 09:12 |
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| kazuIchikawa | And, masa just started to replace some codes to use python-novaclinet. | 09:13 |
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| aspiers | before it was using the CLI? | 09:13 |
| kazuIchikawa | Currently it's using curl ugly... | 09:13 |
| aspiers | ah ;-) | 09:13 |
| aspiers | does masakari automatically create pacemaker resources? | 09:14 |
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| kazuIchikawa | No. | 09:14 |
| kazuIchikawa | It's not a part of Masakari yet. | 09:15 |
| aspiers | oh yeah, pacemaker is just for host monitoring? | 09:15 |
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| kazuIchikawa | It's supposed to set up pacemaker by admin so that hostmonitor can detect the host failure. | 09:15 |
| kazuIchikawa | as well as STONITH. | 09:16 |
| aspiers | yeah, I just remembered the architecture :) | 09:16 |
| aspiers | ok | 09:16 |
| aspiers | any other statuses to report from anyone? | 09:16 |
| aspiers | otherwise I would like to discuss Austin briefly | 09:16 |
| _gryf | kazuIchikawa, did you guys managed to switch to pacemaker_remote for the compute nodes? | 09:16 |
| aspiers | _gryf: oh yeah, good question | 09:16 |
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| kazuIchikawa | masakari supports pacemaker_remote for compute node. | 09:17 |
| kazuIchikawa | it's done already. | 09:17 |
| _gryf | kazuIchikawa, ok, cool | 09:17 |
| aspiers | so what sets up the remote primitives? | 09:17 |
| kazuIchikawa | detail: https://github.com/ntt-sic/masakari/pull/11 | 09:18 |
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| aspiers | ok so they have to be set up manually? | 09:19 |
| kazuIchikawa | it just reads the status of each node, which shown as RemoteOnline of RemoteOffline. | 09:19 |
| kazuIchikawa | Yes, you have to set up by manual | 09:20 |
| aspiers | ok | 09:20 |
| aspiers | #topic Austin summit | 09:21 |
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| kazuIchikawa | We have some scripts to set up pacemaker but it depends on our environment, system configuration... so looking for a good way... | 09:21 |
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| aspiers | I see | 09:21 |
| aspiers | so ddeja and I got our talk accepted | 09:21 |
| kazuIchikawa | Congrat! | 09:21 |
| aspiers | thanks :) | 09:22 |
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| aspiers | #info talk of ddeja and aspiers got accepted: https://www.openstack.org/summit/austin-2016/summit-schedule/events/7327 | 09:22 |
| _gryf | \o/ | 09:22 |
| aspiers | the bad news is, now we have to prepare it ;-) | 09:23 |
| kazuIchikawa | lol | 09:23 |
| haukebruno | lo | 09:23 |
| aspiers | kazuIchikawa: does NTT have any talks related to HA? | 09:23 |
| haukebruno | l | 09:23 |
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| kazuIchikawa | No, we don't have any presentation related to HA. | 09:23 |
| aspiers | OK | 09:23 |
| aspiers | well we will definitely talk about masakari | 09:24 |
| aspiers | maybe it would be possible for you to build a short demo video we could show? | 09:24 |
| kazuIchikawa | we (masa, samP and myself) will join Authin summit. | 09:24 |
| aspiers | although I definitely want to show the mistral demo | 09:24 |
| aspiers | and maybe also the Red Hat / SUSE way | 09:25 |
| kazuIchikawa | Sure. We can do anything to support you. | 09:25 |
| aspiers | if the demo videos are only 1-2 mins each then it will be possible to show them all | 09:25 |
| aspiers | although it is in the architecture track, so I need to think how appropriate demos are | 09:25 |
| aspiers | but at least we will be talking about all the approaches positively :) they all have different benefits | 09:26 |
| kazuIchikawa | We will record the demo video once you decide the scenario. | 09:26 |
| aspiers | ok | 09:26 |
| aspiers | thanks :) I'll discuss with ddeja and let you know | 09:26 |
| kazuIchikawa | I see. | 09:27 |
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| aspiers | #action aspiers/ddeja to decide how many demos are appropriate, and then coordinate recording of videos | 09:27 |
| aspiers | I know videos are a bit of a cheat, but the sessions are short and internet is very unreliable usually | 09:27 |
| aspiers | I don't want to risk the quality of a session just for that | 09:27 |
| kazuIchikawa | I agree it's safe way. live demo is live demo... | 09:28 |
| _gryf | aspiers, +1 | 09:28 |
| aspiers | we can always show live demos at the vendors booths for people who want to see them | 09:28 |
| aspiers | any other Austin topics to discuss? | 09:28 |
| aspiers | we still don't have an official time/place to meet | 09:29 |
| aspiers | but I will try to set one up | 09:29 |
| _gryf | aspiers, so the demos not necessary contain an aurio track, right? | 09:29 |
| aspiers | _gryf: correct, no audio | 09:29 |
| aspiers | although it's fine to include audio, then we will just use it for learning, and in the real session we can mute it and talk over the video | 09:29 |
| _gryf | initially ddeja planned to add some voice comment on what is happening on the screen | 09:29 |
| _gryf | aspiers, allrighty | 09:30 |
| aspiers | _gryf: actually I think that's a good idea, because it will help get the timing right | 09:30 |
| aspiers | but it doesn't have to sound polished | 09:30 |
| aspiers | since we won't play the audio | 09:30 |
| _gryf | aspiers, right | 09:30 |
| aspiers | #action aspiers to try to set up an official HA meeting time/place | 09:31 |
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| aspiers | anything else? | 09:31 |
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| aspiers | I guess not | 09:33 |
| aspiers | #topic cross-project meeting tomorrow | 09:33 |
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| aspiers | so I think tomorrow's cross-project meeting will be about automatic evacuation | 09:33 |
| aspiers | although I haven't had confirmation yet | 09:33 |
| aspiers | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/CrossProjectMeeting | 09:33 |
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| haukebruno | sounds interesting, I try to make it also tomorrow | 09:34 |
| aspiers | oh, I did get confirmation :) | 09:34 |
| * _gryf also try to be there | 09:34 | |
| aspiers | just saw in my email | 09:34 |
| aspiers | cool | 09:34 |
| aspiers | #info tomorrow's cross-project meeting will be about automatic evacuation | 09:34 |
| aspiers | I will add it to the wiki | 09:35 |
| haukebruno | oh 6 a.m. for me. I will _try_ to join ;-) | 09:35 |
| aspiers | please tell your colleagues about it | 09:35 |
| aspiers | haukebruno: ugh :-( | 09:35 |
| aspiers | haukebruno: 9pm isn't great for me either, but not as bad as 6am ;-) | 09:35 |
| haukebruno | well lets see wether my alarm clock is doing fine or not :p | 09:35 |
| aspiers | #action everyone please review http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/openstack-user-stories/user-stories/draft/ha_vm.html before the meeting | 09:36 |
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| aspiers | #action also https://review.openstack.org/#/c/257809/2 | 09:36 |
| aspiers | I am not sure who else will attend, but I expect probably a large group | 09:37 |
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| aspiers | I hope beekhof, ddeja, masahito etc. can join | 09:38 |
| aspiers | please remind them ;-) | 09:38 |
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| aspiers | #topic AOB (Any Other Business) | 09:38 |
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| aspiers | anything else from anyone? | 09:38 |
| haukebruno | yes. for me - just a beginner of the whole community stuff - it is curious _how_ to start contributing stuff | 09:39 |
| haukebruno | especially for the ha team ;) | 09:39 |
| aspiers | #topic how newcomers can contribute | 09:40 |
| haukebruno | is there any print/slideshow outthere catching that topic? | 09:40 |
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| aspiers | not specifically for HA | 09:40 |
| aspiers | but there is a whole summit track about that | 09:40 |
| aspiers | https://www.openstack.org/summit/austin-2016/summit-schedule/global-search?t=How%20to%20Contribute | 09:40 |
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| aspiers | and you can find videos from previous summits | 09:41 |
| haukebruno | ah cool, then I will check out this talk and look for the older ones | 09:41 |
| aspiers | first step is really to decide how you want to help | 09:41 |
| aspiers | in the HA world, certainly the ha-guide project needs reviewers | 09:41 |
| aspiers | and that would be a good way of learning more about OpenStack HA | 09:41 |
| haukebruno | I see. sounds good | 09:42 |
| aspiers | although it only covers control plane HA so far | 09:42 |
| aspiers | since compute HA is still work in progress | 09:42 |
| haukebruno | this week will be easy for me, I'm looking forward to check that out, read the guide and stuff | 09:43 |
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| aspiers | nice | 09:43 |
| aspiers | haukebruno: just ask on #openstack-ha if you have any questions | 09:43 |
| haukebruno | I will ;) | 09:43 |
| aspiers | or #openstack-dev, of course | 09:43 |
| aspiers | ok | 09:43 |
| aspiers | any other topics? | 09:43 |
| aspiers | if not we can finish early | 09:43 |
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| haukebruno | I am just in discussions with my bosses wether I can make it to the april manchester HA meetup :) | 09:44 |
| haukebruno | hopefully I can | 09:44 |
| aspiers | oh! is there a date fixed for that? | 09:44 |
| aspiers | I am supposed to be speaking at it | 09:45 |
| haukebruno | http://www.meetup.com/Manchester-OpenStack-Meetup/events/229510407/ sounds so | 09:45 |
| aspiers | haha, looks like I am definitely speaking at it then ;-) | 09:45 |
| haukebruno | lol | 09:45 |
| aspiers | #info aspiers speaking about compute HA at April OpenStack Meetup in Manchester, UK | 09:46 |
| aspiers | haukebruno: hopefully see you there!! | 09:46 |
| aspiers | haukebruno: please come and say hi | 09:47 |
| haukebruno | yeah hopefully, in april I am back in germany so it could also be ok for just joining without companys sponsoring :p | 09:47 |
| aspiers | yup | 09:47 |
| aspiers | ok anything else from anyone? | 09:47 |
| haukebruno | nope | 09:47 |
| _gryf | nope | 09:48 |
| kazuIchikawa | no | 09:48 |
| aspiers | alright, let's finish early :) | 09:48 |
| aspiers | thanks everyone and see you next week! | 09:48 |
| aspiers | or on #openstack-ha, of course :) | 09:48 |
| haukebruno | thanks and cya \o/ | 09:48 |
| aspiers | bye for now \o | 09:48 |
| _gryf | bye | 09:49 |
| aspiers | #endmeeting | 09:49 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ha/2016/ha.2016-03-14-09.02.html | 09:49 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ha/2016/ha.2016-03-14-09.02.txt | 09:49 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ha/2016/ha.2016-03-14-09.02.log.html | 09:49 |
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| andreykurilin | #startmeeting Rally | 14:06 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Mar 14 14:06:08 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is andreykurilin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:06 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Rally)" | 14:06 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'rally' | 14:06 |
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| amaretskiy | o/ | 14:06 |
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| andreykurilin | \o | 14:06 |
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| ikhudoshyn | 0/ | 14:08 |
| andreykurilin | redixin: ping | 14:08 |
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| redixin | sup | 14:09 |
| andreykurilin | stpierre: ping | 14:09 |
| boris-42 | hi hi | 14:09 |
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| andreykurilin | boris-42: good morning:) | 14:09 |
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| andreykurilin | lets start from the news | 14:10 |
| andreykurilin | today we release new version of Rally - 0.3.2 | 14:10 |
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| andreykurilin | *we released | 14:11 |
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| boris-42 | andreykurilin: great | 14:11 |
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| andreykurilin | lets schedule the next release date | 14:11 |
| andreykurilin | what about 28.03 ? | 14:12 |
| boris-42 | andreykurilin: let's keep schedule | 14:12 |
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| andreykurilin | boris-42: 3/18 ? | 14:12 |
| andreykurilin | in 4 days new release | 14:12 |
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| redixin | +1 | 14:12 |
| boris-42 | andreykurilin: maybe we can just move to the mnday | 14:12 |
| andreykurilin | ok, it would be nice | 14:12 |
| boris-42 | andreykurilin: and move all other | 14:12 |
| andreykurilin | monday is much better than friday | 14:13 |
| andreykurilin | lol | 14:13 |
| andreykurilin | :) | 14:13 |
| boris-42 | andreykurilin: so add +3 days to google doc page | 14:13 |
| andreykurilin | boris-42: done | 14:13 |
| redixin | so next release will be at March 21? | 14:13 |
| andreykurilin | yes | 14:13 |
| redixin | good | 14:13 |
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| rvasilets | Hi | 14:14 |
| andreykurilin | rvasilets: hi | 14:14 |
| andreykurilin | it looks like we done with topic about releases | 14:15 |
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| andreykurilin | I don't have more topics:) | 14:15 |
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| amaretskiy | boris-42 has proposed recently to discuss design of new scenario class | 14:16 |
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| boris-42 | amaretskiy: yep | 14:18 |
| boris-42 | andreykurilin: can you start topic? | 14:18 |
| amaretskiy | sure | 14:18 |
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| andreykurilin | #topic design of new scenario class | 14:18 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "design of new scenario class (Meeting topic: Rally)" | 14:18 | |
| amaretskiy | the idea is having new scenario class | 14:18 |
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| amaretskiy | which will represent the scenario itself (in opposite to current implementation where the scenario is actually a method) | 14:19 |
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| boris-42 | amaretskiy: yep so we will basically have interface for scenarios which will be actually just method "run" that should be implemented | 14:19 |
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| boris-42 | amaretskiy: and all decorators will go to the class level as we have in all other plugin types | 14:20 |
| amaretskiy | yes, and we should keep in mind that both scenario implementations should be working | 14:20 |
| boris-42 | this will allow us to remove some magic from framework | 14:20 |
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| boris-42 | andn make it simpler | 14:21 |
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| amaretskiy | we can use class decorators, or we can just set properties explicitly | 14:21 |
| amaretskiy | there are a lot of details to discuss | 14:21 |
| boris-42 | we won't need this https://github.com/openstack/rally/blob/master/rally/common/plugin/plugin.py#L96-L118 | 14:21 |
| boris-42 | amaretskiy: nope we won't setup properties explicity | 14:22 |
| boris-42 | amaretskiy: it is mistake that we done many times | 14:22 |
| amaretskiy | okay | 14:22 |
| boris-42 | amaretskiy: why you want to repeat it? | 14:22 |
| amaretskiy | so, we will make a class decorator | 14:22 |
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| amaretskiy | boris-42, I'm just discussing :) | 14:22 |
| boris-42 | amaretskiy: we won't make class decorator | 14:23 |
| boris-42 | amaretskiy: we already have all decorators | 14:23 |
| andreykurilin | +1 | 14:23 |
| boris-42 | amaretskiy: we will just move them from function level to class level that is all | 14:23 |
| boris-42 | when we finish moving all benchmarks to top level | 14:23 |
| boris-42 | scenarios*** | 14:23 |
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| boris-42 | to class model** | 14:24 |
| amaretskiy | this couls work | 14:24 |
| amaretskiy | *could | 14:24 |
| boris-42 | we can remove old way of scenario description | 14:24 |
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| boris-42 | so i think this will simplify overall everything | 14:24 |
| boris-42 | =) | 14:24 |
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| boris-42 | btw it was impossible to achieve in backward compatible way until we implemented plugin base+) | 14:24 |
| amaretskiy | okay, let's assume that we have a decision about scenario configuration | 14:24 |
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| boris-42 | amaretskiy: I belive we need spec | 14:25 |
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| boris-42 | amaretskiy: so I would suggest you to write it | 14:25 |
| amaretskiy | the main question is scenario base class methods and properties | 14:25 |
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| boris-42 | amaretskiy: ?? | 14:25 |
| amaretskiy | sure, this is obviously a spec and a blueprint as well | 14:25 |
| boris-42 | amaretskiy: I do not get it | 14:25 |
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| amaretskiy | methods like "run" | 14:26 |
| boris-42 | amaretskiy: there is only 1 method "run" | 14:26 |
| amaretskiy | okay | 14:26 |
| boris-42 | amaretskiy: and 0 properties | 14:26 |
| boris-42 | amaretskiy: that should be implemented | 14:26 |
| boris-42 | amaretskiy: and a bit refactored Scenario.get method to include such plugins | 14:26 |
| amaretskiy | maybe "cleanup" ? | 14:27 |
| amaretskiy | to have scenario-based cleanup in separate method | 14:27 |
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| boris-42 | amaretskiy: cleanup is context | 14:29 |
| amaretskiy | scenario class should be inherited from https://github.com/openstack/rally/blob/master/rally/task/scenario.py#L95 right? | 14:29 |
| boris-42 | amaretskiy: yep everything is the same | 14:30 |
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| amaretskiy | about cleanup: https://github.com/openstack/rally/blob/master/rally/plugins/openstack/scenarios/nova/servers.py#L101 | 14:30 |
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| boris-42 | amaretskiy: please don't mess the stuff | 14:30 |
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| amaretskiy | okay | 14:31 |
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| amaretskiy | this task will have more than one work item, right? | 14:31 |
| boris-42 | amaretskiy: the goal is to do transition from method to classes that requires implemenetation of specific method | 14:31 |
| amaretskiy | should we have a bp? | 14:31 |
| boris-42 | amaretskiy: yes because we are chaning >200 plugins | 14:31 |
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| amaretskiy | okay, so I will create a bp and a spec | 14:32 |
| boris-42 | amaretskiy: yep | 14:32 |
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| amaretskiy | any other ideas, comments? | 14:32 |
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| boris-42 | amaretskiy: nothing from side I will wait for spec | 14:33 |
| amaretskiy | okay | 14:33 |
| boris-42 | redixin: what is the status of boot_run_command? | 14:33 |
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| redixin | it is ready for review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/291686/ | 14:33 |
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| boris-42 | redixin: it even work? | 14:34 |
| redixin | sure | 14:34 |
| boris-42 | redixin: great | 14:34 |
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| boris-42 | redixin: I will take a look | 14:34 |
| boris-42 | redixin: btw I have task for you | 14:35 |
| redixin | boris-42: here is some custom results http://r-ci.tk/stuff/heat-80-down-small.html#/VMTasks.runcommand_heat/output | 14:35 |
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| boris-42 | redixin: can you create a directory in certification/ | 14:35 |
| boris-42 | redixin: like openstack-dataplane | 14:35 |
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| boris-42 | redixin: and create task with all files required to execute dataplane performance testing | 14:36 |
| redixin | boris-42: sure | 14:36 |
| boris-42 | redixin: and we will need better CI for certification/* stuff | 14:36 |
| boris-42 | redixin: like a job | 14:36 |
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| boris-42 | redixin: btw what is the status of ssl testing? | 14:37 |
| redixin | I've finished only mos.80-ssl job | 14:37 |
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| redixin | dsvm-ssl will be done later | 14:37 |
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| amaretskiy | redixin, boris-42: I believe demo titles will be changed to something descriptive on this chart :) | 14:38 |
| boris-42 | redixin: do we run there keystone v3 or keystone v2? | 14:38 |
| redixin | boris-42: v2 | 14:38 |
| boris-42 | redixin: amaretskiy btw output looks great | 14:38 |
| boris-42 | redixin: is iit possible to have another job for kesytone v3/ | 14:39 |
| redixin | https://github.com/redixin/rci-config/blob/master/config.yaml#L745 | 14:39 |
| boris-42 | redixin: I mean instead of 1 job 2 | 14:39 |
| redixin | one more job vs mos.80-ssl-keystone-v3? | 14:39 |
| boris-42 | redixin: yep evetyhing the same just v3 | 14:39 |
| redixin | okay | 14:40 |
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| andreykurilin | anything else to discuss? | 14:41 |
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| boris-42 | redixin: great thanks | 14:41 |
| boris-42 | andreykurilin: so I will try to work on rally this week | 14:41 |
| boris-42 | amaretskiy: =) | 14:42 |
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| andreykurilin | boris-42: nice! | 14:42 |
| andreykurilin | we have a lot of work for you | 14:42 |
| andreykurilin | lol | 14:42 |
| andreykurilin | :D | 14:42 |
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| rvasilets | ))) | 14:42 |
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| andreykurilin | anything else? | 14:43 |
| amaretskiy | nothing from my side | 14:44 |
| rvasilets | nothing from me | 14:44 |
| andreykurilin | boris-42 ? | 14:44 |
| boris-42 | andreykurilin: seems like we can end meeting | 14:44 |
| andreykurilin | thank you all | 14:44 |
| andreykurilin | #endmeeting | 14:44 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Mar 14 14:44:51 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:44 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2016/rally.2016-03-14-14.06.html | 14:44 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2016/rally.2016-03-14-14.06.txt | 14:44 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2016/rally.2016-03-14-14.06.log.html | 14:44 |
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| anteaya | #startmeeting third-party | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Mar 14 15:00:10 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is anteaya. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'third_party' | 15:00 |
| anteaya | hello | 15:00 |
| lennyb | hi | 15:00 |
| anteaya | hey lennyb | 15:00 |
| lennyb | how are you today? | 15:00 |
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| anteaya | good thanks | 15:01 |
| anteaya | and yourself? | 15:01 |
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| anteaya | my cat loves when I'm at meetings as she can sit in my lap | 15:01 |
| anteaya | :) | 15:01 |
| lennyb | I am fine, thank you. | 15:01 |
| anteaya | good to hear | 15:01 |
| anteaya | I'll put this in the logs | 15:02 |
| anteaya | #info gerrit ip is changing: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-March/088985.html | 15:02 |
| anteaya | so read the email | 15:02 |
| anteaya | and if you need to notify folks regarding firewalls, get to notifying | 15:02 |
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| anteaya | and do ask if you have any questions | 15:02 |
| anteaya | lennyb: does that affect you at all? | 15:03 |
| lennyb | nope, we are using DNS name review.openstack.org | 15:03 |
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| anteaya | aren't you wonderful | 15:04 |
| anteaya | do you have anything you would like to discuss today? | 15:04 |
| lennyb | not really, | 15:05 |
| anteaya | me either | 15:05 |
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| lennyb | btw, thanks for 'introducing' me to nova/neutron folks | 15:05 |
| anteaya | I will keep the meeting open another few minutes in case someone drops in and has a thing | 15:05 |
| anteaya | lennyb: you're welcome | 15:05 |
| lennyb | ironic I ment | 15:05 |
| anteaya | yeah, ironic | 15:05 |
| lennyb | sure, feel free. | 15:06 |
| anteaya | nice group of folks in that channel | 15:06 |
| anteaya | cool | 15:06 |
| anteaya | I won't keep you though if you have other things | 15:06 |
| lennyb | yeap, very friendly | 15:06 |
| anteaya | wonderful | 15:06 |
| anteaya | :) | 15:06 |
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| anteaya | any objection to me closing the meeting? | 15:10 |
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| anteaya | thanks for being here | 15:10 |
| anteaya | see you next week | 15:10 |
| anteaya | #endmeeting | 15:10 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Mar 14 15:10:56 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:10 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2016/third_party.2016-03-14-15.00.html | 15:11 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2016/third_party.2016-03-14-15.00.txt | 15:11 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2016/third_party.2016-03-14-15.00.log.html | 15:11 |
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| rakhmerov | #startmeeting Mistral | 16:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Mar 14 16:01:11 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rakhmerov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'mistral' | 16:01 |
| rbrady | o/ | 16:01 |
| rakhmerov | hi | 16:01 |
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| akuznetsova | hi there! | 16:02 |
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| rakhmerov | hi, how are you? | 16:02 |
| akuznetsova | great) | 16:02 |
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| NikolayM | hi everyone! | 16:02 |
| akuznetsova | work hard | 16:02 |
| rakhmerov | okay | 16:02 |
| rakhmerov | I'm going to wait for a couple of minutes | 16:03 |
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| d0ugal | o/ | 16:04 |
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| rakhmerov | let's start | 16:04 |
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| rakhmerov | thanks for joining | 16:04 |
| rakhmerov | I don't have any special agenda for today, just want to quickly go over our usual stuff | 16:05 |
| rakhmerov | and also talk about ha gate | 16:05 |
| rakhmerov | #topic Review action items | 16:05 |
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| rakhmerov | 1. akhmerov: propose time slots for 2 different meetings (for 2 groups of people from completely different time zones) | 16:06 |
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| akuznetsova | sorry, I missed previous meeting, what meetings do you mean? | 16:07 |
| rakhmerov | didn't have a chance actually to discuss it with all folks, I guess it won't be solved till the summit | 16:07 |
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| rakhmerov | akuznetsova: for our team meeting | 16:07 |
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| rakhmerov | there's a suggestion to split it into two meetings | 16:08 |
| rakhmerov | one for Europe/Asia and another one for North America | 16:08 |
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| rakhmerov | because now a lot of people just can't join | 16:08 |
| rakhmerov | from US or NZ, for example | 16:09 |
| akuznetsova | we can try to make it floating | 16:09 |
| rakhmerov | even for folks in Israel it's not too convenient too | 16:09 |
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| rakhmerov | hm... yes, but it'll be challenging because we have to reserve time slots anyway | 16:09 |
| rakhmerov | the number of channels is limited | 16:09 |
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| akuznetsova | yes, I see | 16:10 |
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| rakhmerov | we also need to understand how it's going to work | 16:10 |
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| rakhmerov | for example, who should be on both meetings and how to transfer information between locations | 16:11 |
| rakhmerov | let me keep this AI for records | 16:11 |
| NikolayM | what if we hold the meeting at openstack-mistral sometimes for that? | 16:11 |
| rakhmerov | #action 1. akhmerov: propose time slots for 2 different meetings (for 2 groups of people from completely different time zones) | 16:11 |
| rakhmerov | NikolayM: yes, we can | 16:11 |
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| rakhmerov | the channel is now set up to record meetings | 16:11 |
| rakhmerov | I'm going to start a public discussion for that with my ideas on that | 16:12 |
| rakhmerov | it's my fault that I haven't done it so far | 16:12 |
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| akuznetsova | yes, need to find the best approach | 16:12 |
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| rakhmerov | aha | 16:12 |
| rakhmerov | 2. rakhmerov: ask ALU folks to rebase patches | 16:13 |
| rakhmerov | done | 16:13 |
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| rakhmerov | #topic Current status (progress, issues, roadblocks, further plans) | 16:13 |
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| rakhmerov | my status: reviews, one simple bug fix, added documentation for asynchronous actions | 16:14 |
| rakhmerov | hoping to fix https://bugs.launchpad.net/mistral/+bug/1524477 in the next couple of days | 16:14 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1524477 in Mistral "After-task logic runs multiple times if tasks run in parallel" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Renat Akhmerov (rakhmerov) | 16:14 |
| NikolayM | my status: tried to write a unit-test for my patch related to oslo.messaging but failed. Keep it as is, a test (functional) will be in the future when HA-gate will be available | 16:15 |
| rakhmerov | I've done some investigation and understand the general reason but am not sure yet how to fix it properly | 16:15 |
| rakhmerov | NikolayM: I left my +2 for it | 16:15 |
| rakhmerov | need one more +2 | 16:15 |
| NikolayM | that's about the 'processed' field? | 16:15 |
| akuznetsova | my status: started work on ha gate, prepared some base test code (it isn't on review) which will allow to manage mistral services, like to scale up number of engine or kill them all. Faced with a problem that it is not as easy as I thought to change our devstack script to have a ability to run services in a different processes | 16:15 |
| rakhmerov | NikolayM: yes | 16:15 |
| rakhmerov | akuznetsova: what is that challenage? | 16:16 |
| rakhmerov | can you tell quickly? | 16:16 |
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| akuznetsova | rakhmerov, as I understand we can run only one enabled service in one screen, now we have one enabled service (from devstack side) "mistral" | 16:17 |
| akuznetsova | and we run it in separate screen | 16:18 |
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| rakhmerov | can we have multiple screens? | 16:18 |
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| NikolayM | can we have multiple services in settings? | 16:19 |
| akuznetsova | we use one command "screen_it mistral mistral-server --server all ...." - it runs command in "mistral" screen | 16:19 |
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| akuznetsova | we can't use "screen_it mistral" 3 times for --server engine, --server api and --server executor | 16:20 |
| akuznetsova | I propose to make a change and make it similar to sahara project | 16:20 |
| rakhmerov | hm.. can we just call screens differently for different components? | 16:21 |
| rakhmerov | not all of them just "mistral" | 16:21 |
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| akuznetsova | as far as I understand there is common global value "USE_SCREEN=True" | 16:21 |
| rakhmerov | but "mistral_eng", "mistral_exc" etc | 16:21 |
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| rakhmerov | ok | 16:22 |
| NikolayM | I thought we can add 'mistral-api' (engine/executor) to enabled_service | 16:22 |
| akuznetsova | I like how it works in sahara https://github.com/openstack/sahara/blob/master/setup.cfg#L31-L33 | 16:22 |
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| akuznetsova | NikolayM, yes | 16:22 |
| rakhmerov | ok, they just have multiple start scripts | 16:23 |
| rakhmerov | it's fine too | 16:23 |
| rakhmerov | to me | 16:23 |
| akuznetsova | after that we can run mistral-api / mistral-engine / mistral-executor | 16:23 |
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| akuznetsova | and don't do it via mistral-server --server * | 16:24 |
| NikolayM | what is the main difference? | 16:24 |
| rakhmerov | akuznetsova: will it allow us to run, for example, two executors? or engines? | 16:24 |
| akuznetsova | rakhmerov, why not? | 16:24 |
| rakhmerov | NikolayM, akuznetsova: yes, I don't actually see a serious difference | 16:24 |
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| rakhmerov | akuznetsova: I mean will we be able to run 2 executors? In what screens will they be running? | 16:25 |
| akuznetsova | rakhmerov, NikolayM the main difference between what? I don't get it | 16:25 |
| NikolayM | difference between mistral-api /engine/executor and mistral-server --server api/engine/executor | 16:25 |
| NikolayM | they are just different commands | 16:26 |
| rakhmerov | yes | 16:26 |
| rakhmerov | agree | 16:26 |
| rakhmerov | I don't understand how it is different too | 16:26 |
| akuznetsova | rakhmerov, we will run only 1 executor in the gate by default | 16:26 |
| akuznetsova | another executors will be run not in a screen | 16:26 |
| rakhmerov | yes, but we need to have a possibility to run more | 16:26 |
| rakhmerov | akuznetsova: ok | 16:27 |
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| rakhmerov | why are we worried about screens then? | 16:27 |
| akuznetsova | problem now that I can't split executor, engine and api | 16:27 |
| akuznetsova | in the gate | 16:27 |
| rakhmerov | because they would have to run in the same screen, right? | 16:27 |
| NikolayM | why they can't be run in separate screens? | 16:28 |
| akuznetsova | need to make it possible) | 16:28 |
| rakhmerov | guys, let me clarify pls | 16:28 |
| NikolayM | I thought we can add in the devstack/settings - enabled_service mistral-api, mistral-engine and so on | 16:29 |
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| rakhmerov | there's a command | 16:29 |
| rakhmerov | screen_it mistral mistral-server --server all .... | 16:29 |
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| rakhmerov | in this command, "mistral" is the name of the screen, right? | 16:29 |
| NikolayM | and then screen_it mistral-api/mistral-engine mistral-server | 16:29 |
| NikolayM | rakhmerov, yes | 16:29 |
| akuznetsova | rakhmerov, yes | 16:29 |
| rakhmerov | if so, we can just use different names for these screens | 16:29 |
| rakhmerov | what's the issue then? | 16:29 |
| akuznetsova | NikolayM, I didn't try it | 16:29 |
| NikolayM | rakhmerov, the name of this service should be enabled first | 16:30 |
| rakhmerov | ok, I think we're now on the same page | 16:30 |
| rakhmerov | enabled where? | 16:30 |
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| NikolayM | for mistral-api or mistral-engine | 16:30 |
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| NikolayM | in devstack/settings | 16:30 |
| rakhmerov | is there a problem to enable it? | 16:30 |
| rakhmerov | them | 16:30 |
| NikolayM | there is a script in mistral/devstack/ | 16:30 |
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| NikolayM | no, I don't think it is a problem | 16:31 |
| akuznetsova | I thought that it should be registered somewhere else | 16:31 |
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| NikolayM | where? | 16:31 |
| rakhmerov | ok, let's just agree for now that it needs more experiments | 16:31 |
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| NikolayM | I think it is the certain place for registering | 16:31 |
| akuznetsova | ok, I will check your idea | 16:31 |
| NikolayM | ok | 16:31 |
| akuznetsova | and update patch | 16:32 |
| akuznetsova | after that will push prepared code for ha tests | 16:33 |
| rakhmerov | another question here though is, we need to think about the default set of services that we need to run | 16:33 |
| rakhmerov | and how other component instances will be running if we need them | 16:33 |
| rakhmerov | during our tests | 16:33 |
| rbrady | I'm interested in discussing the blueprint for the custom actions. https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mistral/+spec/mistral-custom-actions-api | 16:34 |
| rakhmerov | rbrady: sure, let's now just go to open discussion | 16:34 |
| rakhmerov | #topic Open Discussion | 16:34 |
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| akuznetsova | I guess that we can have 1 engine, 1 executor and 1 api by default, all other needed instances can be run as a processes | 16:34 |
| rakhmerov | akuznetsova: agree | 16:35 |
| rakhmerov | most likely yes | 16:35 |
| rakhmerov | rbrady: yes, I created this BP based on the patch I recently reviewed in TripleO | 16:35 |
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| rbrady | I implemented new auth based on your feedback | 16:35 |
| rakhmerov | I just realized that it's not clear enough in Mistral what should be treated a public API | 16:35 |
| rakhmerov | rbrady: ok | 16:36 |
| rakhmerov | same patch? | 16:36 |
| rbrady | but as I continue down the path of creating more custom actions, I'm still trying to figure out what is public and what should be considered private | 16:36 |
| rbrady | rakhmerov: yes | 16:36 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:36 |
| rbrady | rakhmerov: in a new patch, I'm looking at "from mistralclient.api.v2 import environments" | 16:37 |
| rakhmerov | well, effectively all public API now for creating actions is mistral.actions.Action | 16:37 |
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| rakhmerov | the base Action interface | 16:37 |
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| rakhmerov | ok, there's two parts here, just to be clear | 16:38 |
| rakhmerov | even 3 parts I guess | 16:38 |
| rbrady | I know tripleo might be an interesting case as we're trying to integrate several openstack services | 16:38 |
| rakhmerov | 1. All that's exposed in REST API is, of course, a public API | 16:39 |
| rakhmerov | and it's expressed in the client too | 16:39 |
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| rbrady | but specifically we have some requirements for accessing the mistral-environment from an action execution and for now I think using the EnvironmentManager would work | 16:39 |
| rakhmerov | 2. mistral.actions.base.Action, should be used for subclassing when we need to implement a new action | 16:39 |
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| rakhmerov | ok, just to understand on 100%, what do you mean by mistral-environment? | 16:40 |
| rbrady | mistral environment, the place for saving state | 16:40 |
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| rbrady | http://docs.openstack.org/developer/mistral/guides/mistralclient_guide.html#environments | 16:41 |
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| rakhmerov | oh, ok | 16:41 |
| rakhmerov | I thought you were mostly talking about security context | 16:41 |
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| akuznetsova | rakhmerov, we can create env with some default values for params and use it in wf | 16:42 |
| rbrady | I'm looking at treating mistral just like we treat all of the other openstack services | 16:42 |
| rakhmerov | at least I saw that in the previous patchset | 16:42 |
| rakhmerov | rbrady: in what way? | 16:42 |
| rbrady | the new patchset follows the guidance in the review and no longer attempts to use mistral's keystone auth or mistral.context | 16:42 |
| rbrady | rakhmerov: similar to the default openstack actions in mistral | 16:43 |
| rakhmerov | yes, that's ok. But do you still need to use that info? I mean mistral.context? | 16:43 |
| rakhmerov | rbrady: ooh, ok. I got it | 16:43 |
| rbrady | rakhmerov: I think I can access the data I need to through mistral client | 16:43 |
| rakhmerov | so, let me try to summarize | 16:44 |
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| rakhmerov | now, in Mistral we can use Nova, Glance etc. with corresponding actions w/o having to pass security specific info | 16:44 |
| rakhmerov | like auth token | 16:44 |
| rakhmerov | but we can't do it with custom actions easily | 16:45 |
| rbrady | rakhmerov: yes, I'm now requiring auth_token passed to an execution via param | 16:45 |
| rakhmerov | yes | 16:45 |
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| rakhmerov | so what's the solution? | 16:46 |
| rbrady | and in follow on patches when adding more custom actions, I want to be able to use the mistralclient in the same way I'd use nova or heat clients | 16:46 |
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| rbrady | so using mistralclient in a custom action to get access to read and write to mistral environment | 16:47 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:47 |
| rbrady | in the 2 cases where a workflow would not fit our use case | 16:47 |
| rbrady | I plan to have a patch up today or tomorrow to illustrate all of this | 16:48 |
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| rakhmerov | rbrady: can you please leave your comment in the BP too, please? | 16:48 |
| rakhmerov | rbrady: yep, the patch would be great | 16:48 |
| rakhmerov | I actually now see even better the source of confusion | 16:49 |
| rbrady | rakhmerov: yes, but I don't have access to leave a comment on the blueprint | 16:49 |
| rakhmerov | rbrady: hm, why? | 16:49 |
| rbrady | rakhmerov: nm, I guess it's through whiteboard | 16:49 |
| rakhmerov | I guess I need to add you to the team or something | 16:50 |
| rbrady | I've been using specs for so long I seem to have forgotten the blueprint process | 16:50 |
| rakhmerov | #action add rbrady to Mistral team | 16:50 |
| rbrady | o/ | 16:50 |
| rakhmerov | np, I'll do it | 16:50 |
| rbrady | thanks! | 16:50 |
| d0ugal | I don't think blueprints support comments. | 16:50 |
| rakhmerov | so, just to clarify... | 16:50 |
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| rakhmerov | right, there's whiteboard | 16:51 |
| rakhmerov | and work items | 16:51 |
| d0ugal | Yup | 16:51 |
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| rakhmerov | anyway, it could be added somewhere ) | 16:51 |
| d0ugal | I was going to comment on it too :) Maybe we can just add to the whiteboard. | 16:51 |
| rakhmerov | I'd be also ok to add it into description with keeping authority | 16:51 |
| rakhmerov | sure, all options are fine to me | 16:52 |
| rakhmerov | so, here's the thing on actions | 16:52 |
| rakhmerov | the confusion is | 16:52 |
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| rakhmerov | on one hand, if we look at our OpenStack specific actions then we'll see that their implementations use mistra.context and other kind of private modules | 16:53 |
| rakhmerov | :) | 16:53 |
| rakhmerov | but we told you not to use them | 16:53 |
| rakhmerov | it is confusing, yes | 16:53 |
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| rakhmerov | and actually, we need to check if that all works fine even with standard openstack actions | 16:54 |
| rakhmerov | because I now have some bad thoughts on this | 16:54 |
| d0ugal | hah :) | 16:54 |
| rakhmerov | so that's why we need to clearly define the contract for writing new actions | 16:55 |
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| rakhmerov | that security and environment info must always be accessible for actions | 16:55 |
| rakhmerov | for all of them | 16:55 |
| rakhmerov | and that must be treated a public API | 16:55 |
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| rakhmerov | along with what's exposed in the client | 16:56 |
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| rbrady | rakhmerov: +1 | 16:56 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:56 |
| rakhmerov | thanks for bringing this up | 16:56 |
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| rakhmerov | it is very important | 16:56 |
| rbrady | rakhmerov: as I'm going to building on these custom actions in tripleo for the next few weeks leading up to the summit, I'd like to help in any way I can | 16:57 |
| rakhmerov | ok, thanks | 16:58 |
| rakhmerov | we'll use you ) | 16:58 |
| rbrady | :) | 16:58 |
| rakhmerov | I see it one of them most important issues that we need to solve in the near future | 16:58 |
| rakhmerov | because it's related to programming interface | 16:58 |
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| rakhmerov | and I'm almost sure that our OpenStack actions won't work in case if engine and executor will be separate processes ) | 16:59 |
| rakhmerov | it might be a bug | 16:59 |
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| rakhmerov | ok, we're running out of time | 16:59 |
| akuznetsova | will see in the nearest future)) | 16:59 |
| rbrady | do you have a way to set up the processes separately in CI? | 16:59 |
| rakhmerov | thanks again for bringing this up and for joining us today | 17:00 |
| rbrady | np. glad to be here | 17:00 |
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| akuznetsova | rbrady, we are working on it | 17:00 |
| d0ugal | Thanks! | 17:00 |
| rakhmerov | rbrady: that's what we were discussing today too ) I mean what we call HA gate | 17:00 |
| rbrady | ahh | 17:00 |
| rakhmerov | once it's done we'll be able to test all those corner cases | 17:00 |
| rakhmerov | and distributed setups in general | 17:00 |
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| rakhmerov | so it all fits into one picture ) | 17:01 |
| akuznetsova | it is time to go | 17:01 |
| rakhmerov | thanks, bye all | 17:01 |
| NikolayM | bye! | 17:01 |
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| akuznetsova | bye | 17:01 |
| rbrady | thanks everyone | 17:01 |
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| rakhmerov | #endmeeting | 17:01 |
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| adam_g | heya | 18:00 |
| adam_g | #startmeeting astara | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Mar 14 18:00:22 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is adam_g. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'astara' | 18:00 |
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| phil_h | hello | 18:00 |
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| adam_g | #topic mitaka development | 18:01 |
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| adam_g | so its the final countdown. ill be cutting the RC1 tag thurs afternoon | 18:01 |
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| adam_g | theres a bunch of stuff in 'needs approval' section of http://bit.ly/1P6c5N3 that we should probably get merged today, most of them are trivials. | 18:02 |
| adam_g | it'd be good to get that burned down today so we dont risk a backed up merge conflicts and backed up queue come thurs | 18:02 |
| adam_g | the HA patch is still up and is the biggest patch of things we still need to merge | 18:02 |
| markmcclain | ok.. I work through the needs approval later this afternoon | 18:03 |
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| adam_g | actually let me start an etherpad to track what we need to merge | 18:04 |
| elopez | morning | 18:04 |
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| adam_g | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/astara-rc1 | 18:04 |
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| adam_g | ok i seeded that with everything im aware of | 18:08 |
| adam_g | if there is something missing that you think should be prioritized for RC1 please add and bring to my attention | 18:08 |
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| markmcclain | ok | 18:09 |
| adam_g | phil_h, i added some nit comments to your doc patch a while back, if you wouldnt mind addressing them maybe we can get that merged today | 18:09 |
| phil_h | I will work on it this afternoon | 18:09 |
| adam_g | great, thanks! | 18:09 |
| adam_g | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/astara-rc1 | 18:09 |
| adam_g | #topic bugs | 18:09 |
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| adam_g | #link https://launchpad.net/astara/+milestone/mitaka-rc1 | 18:10 |
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| adam_g | so theres 4 in-progress bugs targetted to RC1 | 18:11 |
| adam_g | if theres anything new or missing please ping me | 18:12 |
| adam_g | but i think we're in good shape on that front | 18:12 |
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| adam_g | #topic open discussion | 18:13 |
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| adam_g | anyone have anything to bring up? | 18:14 |
| markmcclain | chasing down functional bug in ipsec vpn | 18:14 |
| markmcclain | hoping to get that pushed today | 18:14 |
| adam_g | ah cool | 18:14 |
| markmcclain | significantly smaller after I refactored the driver stuff yesterday | 18:14 |
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| adam_g | rods, re the issue you were seeing with colliding public networks, i wonder if simpley backporting https://review.openstack.org/#/c/261038/1 and configuring the option to False would solve it for you? | 18:15 |
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| adam_g | ok anyway, i guess that'll do it. look for the RC1 tag by EOD thursday, hope we can get our outstanding patches merged. thanks guys | 18:17 |
| adam_g | #endmeeting | 18:17 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Mar 14 18:17:52 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:17 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/astara/2016/astara.2016-03-14-18.00.html | 18:17 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/astara/2016/astara.2016-03-14-18.00.txt | 18:17 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/astara/2016/astara.2016-03-14-18.00.log.html | 18:17 |
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| jproulx | #startmeeting uc | 19:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Mar 14 19:00:11 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jproulx. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'uc' | 19:00 |
| shamail | hi! | 19:00 |
| jproulx | Oh someone's here :) | 19:00 |
| pfreund | Hello :) | 19:00 |
| shamail | Agenda (#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/Foundation/UserCommittee) | 19:00 |
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| rlpple | Hello! | 19:01 |
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| shamail | Yep, wouldn’t miss it. | 19:01 |
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| jproulx | Shilla and Edgar are both traveling this week but we've got some interesting topics on the link shamail posted | 19:01 |
| jproulx | #topic Next steps for Survey analysis | 19:02 |
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| jproulx | anyone have an update on current Survey status? | 19:02 |
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| shamail | I don’t… I was unable to participate in the analysis phase but will definitely join for the report review process. | 19:03 |
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| jproulx | I must confess I've not kept up as I should on this one. | 19:03 |
| shamail | Should I see if Heidi Joy is available to join? | 19:04 |
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| shamail | I just asked if she can join | 19:04 |
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| shamail | She is coming on now | 19:04 |
| shamail | she should be able to help us out with this topic | 19:05 |
| jproulx | Thanks | 19:05 |
| shamail | I think we got a better response rate this time but I am uncertain | 19:05 |
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| shamail | jproulx: do you want to change topics until she can joins us? | 19:07 |
| shamail | Maybe we can come back to this one | 19:07 |
| jproulx | OK | 19:07 |
| jproulx | #topic Operators recognition next steps | 19:07 |
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| jproulx | this generated quite the mailing list thread. | 19:08 |
| pfreund | I might be at the origin of the recent discussion :) one of the "multiple request" | 19:08 |
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| pfreund | I'm very interested in changing things | 19:08 |
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| shamail | If I recall properly, the three main topics that were heavily discussed were the name of the program, metrics used to identify eligibility, and passes? | 19:09 |
| shamail | Is that right? | 19:09 |
| jproulx | I think those are the high points | 19:09 |
| maishsk | Good evening all | 19:09 |
| shamail | Hi HeidiJoy and maishsk | 19:10 |
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| HeidiJoy | Hello! | 19:10 |
| pfreund | I think passes are a consequence of the recognition, not the initial subject (in threads) | 19:10 |
| jproulx | on the shor term side eligibility and badge recognision | 19:10 |
| shamail | good point pfallenop | 19:11 |
| shamail | pfreund* | 19:11 |
| maishsk | pfreund: I agree | 19:11 |
| maishsk | I think it is time that Operators are recognised as equal contributors to OpenStack | 19:12 |
| pfreund | When I wrote the mail about passes I was buying them, that's why I wrote the initial mail, but the problem is deeper | 19:12 |
| maishsk | the same as anyone else submitting patches | 19:12 |
| pfreund | And there was two types of recognition, ops AND community helpers | 19:12 |
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| shamail | yes, ops + working groups + user group leaders | 19:12 |
| maishsk | The problems is the current governance does not allow for that | 19:13 |
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| maishsk | I was thinking of proposing a patch to governance to change that | 19:13 |
| shamail | How does governance not allow for that currently? | 19:13 |
| shamail | It’s not explicit but is there a barrier to recognizing these contributions in the governance today? | 19:14 |
| maishsk | Very much so | 19:14 |
| maishsk | the only to get acknowledged as a ‘contributor’ to OpenStack is to submit a patch - for one of the official OpenStack projects | 19:14 |
| maishsk | that gives you ATC for a period of 365 days | 19:15 |
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| maishsk | only an ATC is eligible for a summit pass | 19:15 |
| maishsk | (which in my opinion is the less important part) | 19:15 |
| shamail | Agreed, but I think this is partially the fact that governance only recognizes TC based projects today | 19:15 |
| pfreund | vote is also important | 19:15 |
| jproulx | Passes aren't actually in governance only ATC (AFAIK) | 19:15 |
| maishsk | But the real problem is that only ATC can vote for the TC | 19:15 |
| shamail | UC governed projects currently do not have anything in their charter equivilant to ATC | 19:15 |
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| jproulx | I think that's what needs to be changed | 19:16 |
| jproulx | defining the constituancy of the UC | 19:16 |
| shamail | ATC is a participant in a TC governed project, we need the equivilent for UC governed projects and we should be able to address these items in that charter | 19:16 |
| shamail | agreed jproulx | 19:16 |
| pfreund | +1 | 19:16 |
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| maishsk | shamail: and allow the equivalent the same voting rights for the TC as well | 19:17 |
| maishsk | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-operators/2016-March/009796.html | 19:17 |
| jproulx | once we have a defined constiuency we can have proper voting and recognition | 19:17 |
| maishsk | That was my proposal | 19:17 |
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| shamail | So is a good next step for someone from UC to define the charter/constituancy in the official governance repo and submit the review to UC/ops ML? | 19:17 |
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| maishsk | So what is that constituancy? | 19:18 |
| maishsk | And how is that measured? | 19:18 |
| shamail | maishsk: I agree with the concept but i’ll play devils advocate for a second… The results of those votes directly impact the ATC/TC governed projects… We don’t necessarily work on the core development teams so could our votes potentially alter results that the teams working on the projects would’ve wanted? | 19:19 |
| maishsk | And why is that a bad thing? | 19:19 |
| shamail | e.g. What is the implications of non-project contributors selecting a PTL | 19:19 |
| maishsk | PTL - stays PTL | 19:19 |
| shamail | It’s not a bad thing but do we have enough visibility to vote accurately? | 19:19 |
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| maishsk | that I completely agree - if you contribute code to a project then you should choose the PTL | 19:20 |
| shamail | got it | 19:20 |
| maishsk | I am talking about the TC elections | 19:20 |
| shamail | which votes were you thinking about? | 19:20 |
| maishsk | and only TC elections | 19:20 |
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| shamail | Ah, yes! I totally agree with that | 19:20 |
| shamail | TC elections have broader implications and impact outside of projects | 19:20 |
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| maishsk | shamail: +1000 | 19:20 |
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| maishsk | Going back to constituancy - and how that is measured… | 19:21 |
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| shamail | The current criteria is that only ATCs can vote… so we would need a multi-step solution… 1) define our equivilent designation 2) update TC election criteria to include this new designation | 19:21 |
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| rlpple | Question | 19:22 |
| maishsk | For code contributions to OPs projects - the same as an ATC - you receive recognition for 365 days | 19:22 |
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| rlpple | not "only ATC's can vote" but Code contributors to the OP's projects that are ATC | 19:23 |
| rlpple | correct? | 19:23 |
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| maishsk | The problem is those who are not contributing code (Working groups, Meetups etc. basically everything that was mentioned in the thread ) http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-operators/2016-March/009735.html | 19:23 |
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| pfreund | I think we should think about how we can contribute without submitting code. If I give an important feedback about a bug, trying hard to reproduce it, and give important logs to a developper, I don't actually submit code. | 19:24 |
| pfreund | maishsk: indeed | 19:24 |
| maishsk | rlpple: I dont understand the question | 19:24 |
| rlpple | Check out how the Security Team does it | 19:24 |
| shamail | Security is ATC eligible | 19:25 |
| rlpple | they use attendance of tmeetings or contributation or comments | 19:25 |
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| shamail | anything in projects.yaml can obtain ATC | 19:25 |
| shamail | #link https://github.com/openstack/governance/blob/master/reference/projects.yaml | 19:25 |
| rlpple | for their elections | 19:25 |
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| rlpple | ignore my question you answered | 19:25 |
| shamail | Thanks rlpple, glad I could help. | 19:26 |
| maishsk | they are an official Openstack Project - therefore contributions are considered ATC | 19:26 |
| maishsk | @rlpple | 19:26 |
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| shamail | maishsk: I agree… the second group is harding to define criteria for | 19:26 |
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| shamail | harder* | 19:27 |
| rlpple | Rolls are kept | 19:27 |
| shamail | When we say “meetups” are we referring to leads or anyone who presents? | 19:27 |
| rlpple | right | 19:27 |
| shamail | they are | 19:27 |
| rlpple | set a critera of X over period of time | 19:27 |
| maishsk | So lets take the things peice by peice | 19:27 |
| shamail | The best way to handle this would be with a mechanism similar to extra-ATC | 19:27 |
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| shamail | give working group leads and opensatck ambassadors the ability to add extra-<whatever we name our designation) | 19:28 |
| shamail | OpenStack* | 19:28 |
| pfreund | For meetups, and more generally Community helpers, I don't understand why we don't use ambassadors. | 19:28 |
| pfreund | they should no every user group in their zone | 19:28 |
| shamail | Yep | 19:28 |
| pfreund | sorry they should "know" | 19:28 |
| pfreund | I think it would be easy to detect fake user groups, It will not happen | 19:29 |
| shamail | Make all repos under https://github.com/openstack/governance/blob/master/reference/user-committee-repos.yaml elgible for designation and give working group leads/ambassadors the ability to add the “extra-ATC” equivilent for UC | 19:29 |
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| shamail | jproulx: any thoughts on next steps? | 19:29 |
| maishsk | Working groups - people participate in meetings - there is a roll call - define a minimum quota of participation - and those receive recognition | 19:30 |
| rlpple | +1 | 19:30 |
| jproulx | As much as I think we already have too many working groups, I'm going to suggest we spawn another do try and define what we think this set of criteria (beyond git) should be and how we can automate collecting it.... | 19:30 |
| maishsk | That should be a no-brainer - just define a threshold | 19:30 |
| shamail | maishsk: Wouldn’t it be easier to just let working group leads name who is eligible from their team? | 19:30 |
| rlpple | no | 19:30 |
| rlpple | Setting a criteria avoids the possiblilyt of missing someone | 19:31 |
| shamail | why not? I help lead a working group and could probably name of the top off my head who has been active | 19:31 |
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| rlpple | or including only your friends | 19:31 |
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| shamail | That’s not any different from extra-ATC today | 19:31 |
| maishsk | rlpple: I agree - it is all about transparency | 19:31 |
| rlpple | that is the word | 19:31 |
| shamail | It would be transparent since it would be logged (who got recognition) | 19:31 |
| shamail | we could include a “reason” field too | 19:32 |
| shamail | if that helps | 19:32 |
| pfreund | Maybe amabassadors should be able to give any number of recognition, but it should be public. | 19:32 |
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| shamail | In my working group, for example, I know that there are people who contirbute but don’t review our repo | 19:32 |
| rlpple | Also by setting criteria is makes the decison making process simplere for the leads | 19:32 |
| shamail | jproulx: +1, this topic is deep enough to warrant one | 19:32 |
| jproulx | I prefer methods where human intervention is the exception rateh than the rule | 19:32 |
| maishsk | Ambassadors - was a one time thing - was it not - nothing has been done since the first designates | 19:32 |
| shamail | jproulx: +1, this would be after we exhaust quantative criteria | 19:33 |
| pfreund | We should trust our ambassadors. If not, there is a problem. | 19:33 |
| jproulx | if humans are fiilling in asmall numbe rof gaps the automation can catch it's much better than trying to manually list everyown | 19:33 |
| shamail | maishsk: it was a one time thing but they have been active | 19:33 |
| shamail | maishsk: the only thing that hasn’t happened again is inducting new ambassadors | 19:33 |
| jproulx | so we're more than 50% through | 19:34 |
| shamail | jproulx: Maybe we should ask working groups to use IRC (even if it is just for roll-calls) to have a centralized attendance system | 19:34 |
| jproulx | who wants to take point on a working group to hash out a cohesive proposal | 19:34 |
| shamail | anyways, +1 to wokring team to explore this stuff further | 19:34 |
| shamail | I’ll participate… | 19:34 |
| jproulx | shamail: +1 for irc rollcall | 19:35 |
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| maishsk | I would be happy to jump in | 19:35 |
| pfreund | I don't understand, for meetup groups ? Use IRC ? | 19:35 |
| shamail | No, working groups | 19:35 |
| pfreund | ok | 19:35 |
| shamail | this doesn’t solve for user groups… that would still need to be discussed | 19:35 |
| pfreund | I'm in | 19:36 |
| shamail | Anyone willing to take point on the WG? | 19:36 |
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| jproulx | link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Procedure_for_Creating_a_New_Working_Group | 19:36 |
| shamail | If not, I can kick start it | 19:36 |
| shamail | and then we can transition as needed | 19:36 |
| * maishsk reads the link quickly… | 19:36 | |
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| jproulx | mostly what it needs is a wiki presence so people can see it and irc meeting scheduling | 19:37 |
| shamail | jproulx: Please assign me the action | 19:37 |
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| shamail | i’ll start it up | 19:37 |
| pfreund | I'll be part of the discussions | 19:37 |
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| jproulx | #action shamail to setup basic structure for Ops Recognition Workingroup (or similar name?) | 19:37 |
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| maishsk | shamail: I will be happy to support - and if need be you can transition it over to me | 19:37 |
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| shamail | That’ll be great maishsk, I’m used to the process of WG creation | 19:38 |
| maishsk | I just have to get up to speed with the technicalities | 19:38 |
| shamail | but would be glad to transition it | 19:38 |
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| shamail | Sounds like we got a plan here | 19:38 |
| pfreund | Ops and Community are two separated subjects | 19:38 |
| shamail | pfreund: +1 | 19:38 |
| pfreund | with two different solutions | 19:39 |
| maishsk | Where do the working groups fall under - Ops / Community ? | 19:39 |
| shamail | We’ll just call it something like “non-ATC Recognition” for now | 19:39 |
| jproulx | +1 | 19:39 |
| pfreund | +1 | 19:39 |
| rlpple | +1 | 19:39 |
| shamail | ping HeidiJoy | 19:40 |
| jproulx | ready for next topic? | 19:40 |
| shamail | Should we try to revisit the survey if she is here? | 19:40 |
| maishsk | I was toying with calling us OOPs (Openstack OPs) | 19:40 |
| maishsk | :) | 19:40 |
| shamail | lol | 19:40 |
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| jproulx | #topic Next steps for Survey analysis | 19:40 |
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| shamail | Hi HeidiJoy! | 19:41 |
| HeidiJoy | We've wrapped survey analysis from the team and the next step will be writing/reviewing the report. | 19:41 |
| jproulx | HeidiJoy anything you need now or is next step report review after there's something to review? | 19:41 |
| shamail | Do we need more volunteers for that phase and when do we foresee starting it? | 19:42 |
| HeidiJoy | The two things to expect coming soon are the data output from the data scientist (next couple of days) and the first draft of the report (end of the week) | 19:42 |
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| HeidiJoy | I don't think we need more volunteers. We have a nice contributing group at this point. | 19:42 |
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| shamail | awesome | 19:42 |
| HeidiJoy | Also, we've got the data much more dialed in this round than last time. Far fewer rounds of revisions, thankfully. | 19:42 |
| jproulx | that is good to hear! | 19:42 |
| shamail | What ever happened with the NPS discussion? | 19:43 |
| shamail | Did we do anything different this time around? | 19:43 |
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| jproulx | #info coming soon are the data output from the data scientist (next couple of days) and the first draft of the report (end of the week), don't think we need more volunteers. We have a nice contributing group at this point. (HeidiJoy) | 19:43 |
| HeidiJoy | ^^We learned that the NPS for 2015-01 was calculated wrong and as a result it looked like the score went down substantially. | 19:43 |
| shamail | Doh. | 19:44 |
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| maishsk | +1 Doh | 19:44 |
| HeidiJoy | I've had the data scientist recalculate every answer set (she didn't do 2015-01 initially, it was another firm), and we're looking at NPS in several ways, including by individual, by company, and by deployments only. | 19:44 |
| jproulx | did 2015-01 get recalculated correcty or are we just looking forward? | 19:45 |
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| jproulx | oh what you jus tsaid... | 19:45 |
| HeidiJoy | The result is we'll be able to report clear apples-to-apples (yes, jproulx, we're recalculating from the raw data) and my first look at this suggests a nice positive trend. | 19:45 |
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| maishsk | That is really good to hear! | 19:45 |
| shamail | maishsk: +1 | 19:46 |
| HeidiJoy | I think we'll still see a small spike in the 2015-01 data because it was such a small sample size relative to the others. | 19:46 |
| jproulx | So sounds like we're on solid footing and happily moving forward survey wise, many thanks! | 19:46 |
| HeidiJoy | (Meaning, the 2015-01 NPS will be slightly higher) | 19:46 |
| HeidiJoy | Yes, we're on schedule! And I'm quite happy to see the results... one thing I want to point out that's subtle but VERY cool... | 19:47 |
| HeidiJoy | Only 36% of the people who answered 2016-01 also answered 2015-02. That means we are looking at a substantially different survey response population. And yet, the answers don't change much from survey to survey. Same use of projects, tools, etc. That suggests that we've gotten a sufficient cross-section of the OpenStack community that we can legitimately extrapolate from the data. | 19:48 |
| HeidiJoy | Also, 1,111 different organizations participated in this 2016-01 survey. A wonderful turnout. | 19:49 |
| shamail | That is interesting and exciting. | 19:49 |
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| rlpple | +1 | 19:49 |
| jproulx | that is very cool (both points) | 19:49 |
| HeidiJoy | I'm always happy to answer your questions, but that's all from me for now. :-) | 19:49 |
| jproulx | Thanks Heidijoy | 19:50 |
| shamail | Thanks | 19:50 |
| jproulx | we have 10min to go and one huge topic | 19:50 |
| jproulx | #topic where we want to take the UC and what we can change | 19:50 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "where we want to take the UC and what we can change (Meeting topic: uc)" | 19:50 | |
| jproulx | This is the ever present question | 19:50 |
| shamail | agreed | 19:50 |
| jproulx | my 10sec answer is I'd like to se our constituency defined | 19:51 |
| shamail | So one thing I’d like to bring up is something that was discussed almost a year ago.. | 19:51 |
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| jproulx | & have that constituency start votring for a larger memmbership | 19:51 |
| shamail | Originally, the UC was 3 members (from non-vendor companies) to keep it neutral and, more importantly, keep the survey data confidential | 19:51 |
| shamail | It was discussed that if the survey WG could be created (with NDAs) that the UC itself could then open up to additional members and wouldn’t necessarily need the non-vendor requirement | 19:52 |
| shamail | that was the portion that was most essential to protect | 19:52 |
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| shamail | jproulx: +1, that is definitely a big need going forward | 19:52 |
| maishsk | I appoligise but I have to drop | 19:52 |
| shamail | See you maishsk | 19:52 |
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| jproulx | thanks maishsk. | 19:53 |
| shamail | My question is whether the UC would be open to expanding (outside of survey activities) to share workload? | 19:53 |
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| HeidiJoy | From a User Survey perspective, I'd like to see a few more UC members, noting that they have a critical role to play in providing feedback at key benchmarks in the process. Either way (whether a UC member or a member of the comment analysis team), we require a confidentiality agreement and no one gets access to user names/emails in conjunction with their comments/deployments. The two are always separated. | 19:53 |
| shamail | +1 | 19:53 |
| jproulx | For my part sounds like the current reviewer process for the Survey is in good shape and can take non-UC reviewers under same NDA? | 19:54 |
| shamail | I am interested in staffing up activities like working group governance and other community topics (e.g. the non-ATC stuff we just discussed) etc | 19:54 |
| HeidiJoy | Correct. | 19:54 |
| shamail | It can, and there are non-UC reviwers | 19:54 |
| jproulx | If that's the case the only impediment I see to expanding the UC is the issue of constiruency and voting for new members | 19:55 |
| shamail | jproulx: +1 | 19:55 |
| jproulx | as currently written if we expand the UC voting is open to all foundation members | 19:55 |
| shamail | That would be outside of the non-ATC recoginition WG and something the UC itself would need to work on | 19:55 |
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| shamail | At one point, the idea of having 12-13 UC members (similar to TC) was floated | 19:56 |
| jproulx | It's beyond the scope of non-ATC recoginition but I think that could eb an important foundation to work from | 19:56 |
| pfreund | How many people are actively working in UC ? | 19:56 |
| shamail | but the voting process (and eligibility) would need to be defined | 19:57 |
| pfreund | I mean, like you all right now ? | 19:58 |
| jproulx | I think the important question to consider is "should we expand the UC soon (with full foundation membership voting) or later with a more defined 'atc-like' constituency?" | 19:58 |
| shamail | ohhh, chicken and egg. :P | 19:58 |
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| shamail | JK, I think defining ATC-like constittuency is the next step | 19:58 |
| shamail | pfreund: officially, the UC consists of 3 members… but a lot more people are involved in the activities | 19:58 |
| jproulx | shamail types much faster than I do... | 19:59 |
| shamail | sorry :\ | 19:59 |
| jproulx | not please type away :) | 19:59 |
| jproulx | OK 30sec any burning needs ? | 19:59 |
| pfreund | ATC-like constittuency +1 | 20:00 |
| shamail | I think they can be worked on in parallel… the UC can discuss how the new structure would look and put a placeholder on the consituency being the voters | 20:00 |
| shamail | the other team can define the ATC-like designation and it will plug in once its ready | 20:00 |
| shamail | the elections cant happen until both, but both can be worked on in paralle | 20:00 |
| jproulx | Other than constituency I think the only question is a number isn't it? | 20:00 |
| pfreund | What is the next step for ATC-like WG ? | 20:00 |
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| shamail | number and charter (would does UC utlimately govern) | 20:01 |
| jproulx | charter...yes | 20:01 |
| shamail | I will be creating the WG pfreund and sending out emails on the ML | 20:01 |
| pfreund | ok | 20:01 |
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| shamail | I’m just kicking it off | 20:01 |
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| shamail | We are over time | 20:01 |
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| jproulx | OK I'm going to call it | 20:02 |
| jproulx | Thanks all. | 20:02 |
| shamail | sounds good. great meeting! | 20:02 |
| rlpple | l8r | 20:02 |
| pfreund | thanks | 20:02 |
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| jproulx | #endmeeting | 20:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 20:02 | |
| shamail | bye | 20:02 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Mar 14 20:02:15 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:02 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/uc/2016/uc.2016-03-14-19.00.html | 20:02 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/uc/2016/uc.2016-03-14-19.00.txt | 20:02 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/uc/2016/uc.2016-03-14-19.00.log.html | 20:02 |
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